Of Uniform Numbers — and Letters

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The e-mails started arriving at Uni Watch HQ right after the end of Saturday’s Kentucky/LSU game. While the rest of the country was buzzing about Kentucky’s upset victory, Uni Watch readers were puzzling over something that had briefly appeared on their TV screens. Of the dozen or so readers who got in touch, Rob Kustal summed it up best:

With :02 left in regulation, before the big field goal missed by LSU, CBS showed vintage footage of Kentucky, circa 1950 or so. I didn’t even catch the specific story, because I was so distracted by what I thought I saw: I swear it was a player wearing a jersey number reading ‘1A.’ My friend thought he saw the same thing. It could’ve been a funky-looking 14, or maybe 17, but it certainly looked like 1A.

And that’s exactly what it was. What was this all about? The answer is buried on this page, devoted to Kentucky football history. The pertinent passage reads as follows:

During the course of his legendary career, Coach Paul “Bear” Bryant was known as an innovator of introducing changes in the game of football. One change Bryant introduced during his tenure at Kentucky was the use of a unique number system to identify twins Harry and Larry Jones, who both lettered three years (1950-52) with the Wildcats. Harry wore 1A and Larry wore 1B. Harry led the Wildcats in all-purpose yardage in 1951 with 964 while Larry led UK in kickoff returns (21.1 avg) in 952.

Maybe someone should have said, “Yo, Bear, here’s an innovation for ya: If you want to tell them apart, howzabout giving them No. 1 and No. 2?” or something like that. In any event, this wasn’t the only time a team used numbers and letters in tandem. In 1952, LSU used an alpha-numberic system based on the players’ positions. And then there’s this YMCA basketball team, circa 1900, which Vince wrote about back in January.

But the Kentucky situation is unique because, as far as I can tell, it’s the only time that an alpha-numeric format — or any non-standard numbering format — was used for just a couple of players, instead of team-wide. A silly idea at the time, but great Uni Watch fodder half a century later.

(Special thanks to Jeremy Brahm, who provided the “1A” screen shot.)

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Flap Follow-Up: Last Thursday’s entry on Earl Battey and his improvised earflap led to a nice shout-out from Blake Meyer, who runs the superb TwinsCards.com site. He put out the call among his people, one of whom, Pat Bones, came up with those two elusive Battey photos from the 1963 Twins yearbook. The pics aren’t great, but the flap is there if you’re looking for it. Big thanks to Blake, Pat, and the TwinsCards.com network for coming up with these.

Now let’s see if we can return the favor: Blake and his people want to know what’s up with this 1968 baseball card. It appears to have been taken at an all-star game, but the ’67 game was in Anaheim, so the A.L. players would have been wearing home whites and the N.L. would have worn road grays, instead of the other way around. Maybe it’s from the ’66 game..? Insights welcome.

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Research Project: I’m trying to compile a list of uniform quirks and eccentricities that aren’t part of a team’s official uni specs but have nonetheless become part of the team’s established protocol. Examples would include the Cowboys’ Dymo Tape helmet nameplates (as seen at right) and jersey tie-downs, the Giants’ rounded nameplates, the Bears’ horizontal shoulder darts, the Steelers’ heavily ribbed socks, the Red Wings’ preseason use of straight nameplates, and so on. Care to contribute some additional examples? You know what to do.

Uni Watch News Ticker: We’ve often talked about city flags appearing on sleeve patches or serving as the basis of team color schemes. Now Scott Greene has found a page featuring dozens of city flags, most of which I’d never seen before. Did you know Detroit’s flag looked like this? Or that Long Beach’s looked like this? Fascinating stuff — highly recommended. … Speaking of flags, last week I asked if anyone had a shot of the American flag flanked by an Adidas flag during the singing of “God Bless America” at Yankee Stadium. Now Tim Walsh has provided this, which must surely rank among the most offensive examples of logo creep ever. … Reprinted from Friday’s comments: David Carr’s penchant for wearing gloves has led to a new blog. … Susan N. Freeman found an amazing 1929 photo featuring these totally rad Texas Tech uniforms. … Nate Allen lost his shoe the other day (good spot by Greg Riffenburgh). … Last week I linked to a great Sports Business Journal article about the NFL cracking down on uniform violations, but you had to register for a free trial subscription in order to access the story. Now I’ve got a scan of the print version of the article — print quality isn’t top-notch, but it’s legible. Highly recommended reading. … Great catch by Dennis Gray, who noticed that Manny Fernandez’s lace-up collar didn’t have any laces the other night. He doesn’t always go lace-free, so it’s not clear if this was a matter of personal preference or just an oversight. … Dave Eskinazi sent along this old Spalding Tour photo. At first glance the most salient details are the classy chest insignia, the white belt, and the colored pants. But take a closer look at the detailing on the sleeve cuffs. “Never seen anything like it,” says Eskinazi, and neither have I. … “There is so much wrong with this photo, I don’t know where to begin,” writes Jordan Cutler. For the record, that’s Geo Soto playing for the triple-A Iowa Cubs. … In the “Oh. My. God.” department, the Wisconsin hoops team will honor their 1941 NCAA championship squad by wearing throwbacks on December 3rd, and I may just have to fly out to Madison for that one, because we’re talking about some serious striped-sock action (with thanks to Damion Beth and Karl G. Anderson). … Thomas Langan reports that the Hofstra lacrosse team honored former teammate Nick Colleluori, who recently died of lymphoma, by wearing lime green uniforms (the color of the lymphoma ribbon), all with No. 27 (Colleluori’s number), back on October 7th. … Has Dartmouth always had these weird helmet stripes? (As spotted by Zevi Lowenberg.) … Old Dominion will return to football competition in 2009, and their just-unveiled uniforms appear to be a total rehash of the current Miami design. Of course, Miami will have moved on to a new uni by 2009, so ODU is basically getting sloppy seconds here (with thanks to Charles Pritt). … Here’s something I don’t recall having seen before: Evander Holyfield had his surname on his shoes during Saturday night’s bout against Sultan Ibragimov. … No comment. … Reprinted from Saturday’s comments: Western New Mexico has taken the very odd step of putting their helmet decal on the back of the helmet. … Reprinted from Saturday night’s comments: Lots of inconsistencies in Auburn’s nameplate typography (as noted by Kris McInnis). … Since the NFL fines players for having their jerseys untucked, can’t the NHL do something about Jaromir Jagr, who keeps wearing his jersey tucked in? Looks like crap. … Rutgers wore black pants on Saturday. Doesn’t look bad, but also doesn’t look like Rutgers. … The Jets’ Titans throwbacks looked nice, but oddly collegiate, no? (First person to comment, “That’s appropriate, since the Jets play like a college team” gets tossed from the site, so please be more creative than that.) … Major wardrobe malfunction yesterday in Chicago, where Adrian Peterson of the Vikings had his pants come down in the fourth quarter (nice work by Aaron Etshokin). … According to Dressed to the Nines, in 1974 the Red Sox wore an alternate uniform, featuring a multicolored cap and non-striped stirrups. Not sure I’d ever seen a photo of this design until Andy Given came up with this shot of El Tiante (which he found in this excellent gallery of Red Sox pics). … Not sure why, but the Chargers’ new powder-blue alts didn’t quite wow me. I think it’s because the blue panel on the pants creates a blue overload. … Meanwhile, guess whose American flag helmet decal was missing yet again. … Attention all fans of design (which pretty much means everyone reading this): This is National Design Week, which among other things means free admission at the Cooper-Hewitt National Design Museum here in NYC. … Several readers think Santana Moss was wearing a collared shirt under his jersey yesterday. Personally, I’m dubious, but you can kinda see it here. If this sounds familiar, it’s because we went through a similar discussion regarding the Saints’ Will Smith last year. … Interesting volleyball hosiery here (with thanks to Steven Trujillo). … Diamondbacks catcher Miguel Montero was wearing a ski cap under his mask last night. … Brandon Bowker works at a book store where a copy of this title recently came through. “Check out those socks!” he says. Indeed. … Remember our recent examination of Todd Helton and his Mizuno-ized Nike cleats? Here’s a great close-up from last night’s Rockies/D-backs game. … Reprinted from last night’s comments: Nice little video clip here about Martin Gerber’s new mask.

 

206 comments to Of Uniform Numbers — and Letters

  • Erich | October 15, 2007 at 9:05 am |

    Anyone else notice Scott Gomez’s A is falling off in the last Jagr pic? I’m thinking that the picture is from the preseason…

  • Mike | October 15, 2007 at 9:05 am |

    I love after you pushed your own deadline back to 10…you still are getting most posts out by at least 9:15. You rock Paul.

  • Tom A | October 15, 2007 at 9:10 am |

    Not sure if you caught this (especially not sure if theres an image for it), but in last nights Boise State/Nevada 3OT game there was an amazing (to me, anyway) uniform related circumstance.

    Nevada’s muted gray, blue, and white away uni, when contrasted with the crazy blue of that turf, made the entire Nevada offense seem like they had technicolored a black and white football game and left out the Nevada team. Please tell me you can get a screenshot somehow – it was really something to see.

  • Ben | October 15, 2007 at 9:22 am |

    Now let’s see if we can return the favor: Blake and his people want to know what’s up with this 1968 baseball card. It appears to have been taken at an all-star game, but the ’67 game was in Anaheim, so the A.L. players would have been wearing home whites and the N.L. would have worn road grays, instead of the other way around. Maybe it’s from the ’66 game..? Insights welcome.

    Mickey Mantle wasn’t in the 1966 All Star Game, so, the mystery goes on.

  • Al Mattei | October 15, 2007 at 9:24 am |

    Dartmouth has been wearing that helmet, off and on, since, I think, the 1970s. At one time in the 80s they had a Giants-esque wordmark of DARTMOUTH on the side of the helmet, but they went back to the D on the front.

    As for alphanumeric numbering — I am not surprised there hasn’t been this kind of thing before because digits tell you who’s an eligible lineman, receiver, or what have you. The Green Bay Packers should have receivers numbered 8A, 8B, 8C, etc, for example.

    For a while, there was some rugby team in London (the Harlequins?) who numbered their players A-M instead of 1-15.

    Ohio State and Cornell are two teams who, parenthetically, get around this by making three-digit uniforms (for practice only; if they have more than 100 on the sidelines, they’ll have duplicate numbers).

    Look at the field hockey uniforms on this team:

    http://emedia.citize...

    These tie-dye jerseys are technically illegal since they are not a solid color.

  • duckstyle | October 15, 2007 at 9:24 am |

    Santana Moss wasn’t the only Redskin with a collared shirt on, if fact the group I watched the game with only saw the collared shirt on Clinton Portis. I’m not technologically advanced enough to put up a screen grab, but there was a perfect view of him on the sidelines right after Charles Woodson scored on the 57 yard fumble. Made the touchdown even sweeter in a way.

  • DenverGregg | October 15, 2007 at 9:28 am |

    Thanks for both the early post and the vexillological bit.

  • dm00n | October 15, 2007 at 9:28 am |

    Re: Mays, Mantle and Killebrew:

    Anyone recognize the park?

  • dirwuf | October 15, 2007 at 9:33 am |

    …and even if Mantle WAS there in 1966, Busch Stadium had strictly red seats. Check out the video link at:
    http://mlb.mlb.com/m...

    A look at Shea Stadium’s (where the 1964 game was played) color scheme shows one identical to what’s on the card.

    http://www.carlabrah...

    So I’m fairly certain the pic is from the 1964 All Star Game.

  • DJ | October 15, 2007 at 9:35 am |

    Re: Mays, Mantle and Killebrew:

    Anyone recognize the park?

    Was that photo taken at the 1964 All-Star Game, which was played at Shea Stadium? That’d be my guess.

  • DJ | October 15, 2007 at 9:36 am |

    dirwuf beat me by two minutes. Nice job!

  • Ben Dover | October 15, 2007 at 9:38 am |

    [quote comment=”156767″]Re: Mays, Mantle and Killebrew:

    Anyone recognize the park?[/quote]

    Sure looks like FLUSHING MEADOWS PARK, err Shea to me too

  • dm00n | October 15, 2007 at 9:38 am |

    A look at Shea Stadium’s (where the 1964 game was played) color scheme shows one identical to what’s on the card.

    http://www.carlabrah

    So I’m fairly certain the pic is from the 1964 All Star Game.

    You must be right. The front of the second deck looks the same at Shea as it does in this photo, probably taken at the same time as the card.

    Wrigley Field L.A. looks different.

  • Ben Dover | October 15, 2007 at 9:38 am |

    Can some please explain the stupidity of that idiot from Phoenix, Stautomire wearing his D-Bags jersey backwards?

  • My name is not Earl | October 15, 2007 at 9:42 am |

    [quote comment=”156774″]Can some please explain the stupidity of that idiot from Phoenix, Stautomire wearing his D-Bags jersey backwards?[/quote]

    Kriss Kross are making a comeback!!!

  • Pete | October 15, 2007 at 9:44 am |

    I had forgotten about the Dartmouth helmet. According to The Helmet Project, that’s been their look since the 60s, with the exception of 1987-1998. I like the “D” on the front with the stripes toward the side – very unique.

  • Kyle O. | October 15, 2007 at 9:45 am |

    Anyone else find it odd that on “throwbacks” they still put that stupid captains patch on the uniforms? Shouldn’t throwbacks be, well, somewhat accurate.

  • Pete | October 15, 2007 at 9:45 am |

    [quote comment=”156774″]Can some please explain the stupidity of that idiot from Phoenix, Stautomire wearing his D-Bags jersey backwards?[/quote]

    This is why the D-Bags are down 3-0 and about to get swept.

  • Justin | October 15, 2007 at 9:46 am |

    It was great to see Testaverde play this week. Third oldest QB to start a game… only younger than Steve DeBerg and Warren Moon.

  • Dee Dee | October 15, 2007 at 9:48 am |

    Why oh why didn’t the Chargers just switch back to the old-style powder blues that everyone’s been loving for years now? Why did they create an entirely new uni template–one that isn’t as good, IMHO–when they had the perfect alt uni all these years and all they had to do was switch to it full time? I know, marketing. I got it. Still don’t like it. The sad thing is the fans really loved those alt powder blues for years, now they’re stuck with these lamer versions.

  • Peter G | October 15, 2007 at 9:51 am |

    Can’t get enough women’s volleyball pix, no matter the reason!

  • Ben | October 15, 2007 at 9:55 am |

    Since the NFL fines players for having their jerseys untucked, can’t the NHL do something about Jaromir Jagr, who keeps wearing his jersey tucked in? Looks like crap.

    Paul, I bet they can fine him for wearing Nike branded pants however. Note that the Nike logo has been colored in, perhaps, only for the reason that he wears his jersey tucked in as it wouldn’t be exposed with the jersey over it.

  • duckstyle | October 15, 2007 at 10:09 am |

    [quote comment=”156783″]Why oh why didn’t the Chargers just switch back to the old-style powder blues that everyone’s been loving for years now? Why did they create an entirely new uni template–one that isn’t as good, IMHO–when they had the perfect alt uni all these years and all they had to do was switch to it full time? I know, marketing. I got it. Still don’t like it. The sad thing is the fans really loved those alt powder blues for years, now they’re stuck with these lamer versions.[/quote]

    Agreed, the powder blues from years past were near perfection. It all come down to the white or blue patches were the bolts reside. makes it look so NFL Europe(RIP). I dont mind the dark blues that much, the road whites are terrible, and, sadly, I think the powder blues are the biggest eyesore of the group. Damn you Chargers’ brass, damn you!

  • Justin | October 15, 2007 at 10:10 am |

    I don’t know if it was mentioned yesterday or if it has ever been mentioned… but on Saturday I was briefly watching a football game (I can’t even remember what game.. prob Arkansas vs. Auburn) and they showed clips from a game that was 20-30 years old… a team that was playing in the clip (a red jerseyed team… might have been Arkansas) was wearing a jersey with a different color nameplate. I think the jersey was red with a white nameplate and red letters, but it could have been the opposite. Did anyone else see this and does anyone know what team it was for sure?

  • JeffB | October 15, 2007 at 10:12 am |

    Yesterday my 4 year old son and I were watching the Bears vs. Vikings game and he turned to me and said “Dad, what’s that dot on the back of that helmet for?” I’ve never been so proud of my little UniWatch buddy. Then I found out later he even explained it to his Mom! I may have to get him his own membership card for his birthday after that one.

  • duckstyle | October 15, 2007 at 10:12 am |

    Sorry for the back-to-back posts, but does anyone else notice that the blue on the Chargers unis looks a lot more highlighter blue than powder blue? Who was asleep at the wheel on that one?

  • Joe S | October 15, 2007 at 10:13 am |

    Round 3 is up of the NFL Uniform Tournament. I don’t want to spam uni-watch, but I put up this round last Friday and I’ve only had two votes! However, I know at least some people here enjoy it.

  • Jeff | October 15, 2007 at 10:13 am |

    I like the red Nike logo on Jagr’s pants:

    http://us.i1.yimg.co...

    Makes for a nice battle between Nike and Reebok on a single player’s body.

  • Justin | October 15, 2007 at 10:17 am |

    [quote comment=”156788″]I don’t know if it was mentioned yesterday or if it has ever been mentioned… but on Saturday I was briefly watching a football game (I can’t even remember what game.. prob Arkansas vs. Auburn) and they showed clips from a game that was 20-30 years old… a team that was playing in the clip (a red jerseyed team… might have been Arkansas) was wearing a jersey with a different color nameplate. I think the jersey was red with a white nameplate and red letters, but it could have been the opposite. Did anyone else see this and does anyone know what team it was for sure?[/quote]

    Just came up with this while researching Arkansas… in 2005 they punished “slackers” at practice by making them wear pink jerseys. Do they still do this?

  • Rich | October 15, 2007 at 10:18 am |

    I wonder if Tomlinson is purposely not wearing the flag decal, knowing Paul is going to point it out.

    btw, all I got was a blank screen on the link.

  • Jim | October 15, 2007 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=”156791″]Yesterday my 4 year old son and I were watching the Bears vs. Vikings game and he turned to me and said “Dad, what’s that dot on the back of that helmet for?” I’ve never been so proud of my little UniWatch buddy. Then I found out later he even explained it to his Mom! I may have to get him his own membership card for his birthday after that one.[/quote]

    I applaud you for patiently explaning it to him, rather than tursely directing him to the FAQ section!

  • Hank | October 15, 2007 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment=”156774″]Can some please explain the stupidity of that idiot from Phoenix, Stautomire wearing his D-Bags jersey backwards?[/quote]
    Same reason why their ‘fans’ could not sellout a playoff game and then throw debris on the field. Draw your own conclusions.

  • J.T. | October 15, 2007 at 10:42 am |

    Santana Moss definitely appeared to be wearing a collared shirt yesterday. I think that it may have actually been a regular mock turtleneck that he may have slit in the middle. Either way he looked as bad as he played yesterday.

  • Boston Nick | October 15, 2007 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment=”156785″]Since the NFL fines players for having their jerseys untucked, can’t the NHL do something about Jaromir Jagr, who keeps wearing his jersey tucked in? Looks like crap.

    Paul, I bet they can fine him for wearing Nike branded pants however. Note that the Nike logo has been colored in, perhaps, only for the reason that he wears his jersey tucked in as it wouldn’t be exposed with the jersey over it.[/quote]

    I don’t think the NHL can do anything about that. Traditionally, guys have been able to wear whatever brand of pants they please with their unis. Most Bauer endorsers will definitely have Bauer pants.

    The interesting thing is that Jagr is a Reebok endorser with his helmet, gloves (although to my eyes, it looks like he’s wearing a pair of older Koho gloves with a RBK logo covering the cuff) and stick (not sure if he wears RBK or CCM skates…he’s always been a GRaf guy). I’d assume that fact could have implications with RBK not being happy to see a swoosh on one of it’s guys.

    Also, the gloves being one brand, but having the logo of another is hardly just a Jagr thing. For a few years, Joe Thornton, one of CCM’s main endorsers, has been wearing black Eastons either with a blacked out cuff logo or a CCM logo placed on the cuff. The tell-tale sign on some of these gloves is the logo or design on the thumbs.

  • Dee Dee | October 15, 2007 at 10:45 am |

    [quote comment=”156789″]Sorry for the back-to-back posts, but does anyone else notice that the blue on the Chargers unis looks a lot more highlighter blue than powder blue? Who was asleep at the wheel on that one?[/quote]

    i agree with you on that point, it’s not the actual powder blue, at least it doesn’t look it to me either. good point, BTW, about the look resembling nfl europe – the whole new uni design is very nfl europe actually. i actually liked their most recent unis, the ones they’ve worn for the past decade or two. the dark blues. very nice. but the powder blue throwbacks were the best, so it would have been nice to see them switch to powder blue throwbacks as main uni, especially for day games, then maybe wear the regular dark blues for night games. but instead we get all new nfl europe versions of these unis. just a mess. nice job, chargers, nice job.

  • scott | October 15, 2007 at 10:49 am |

    Nice to see the Saints in gold pants last night. When will they start wearing those at home again?

  • Dee Dee | October 15, 2007 at 10:49 am |

    one more thing about the chargers unis–they had really nice unis back in the dan fouts days also. those were sort of an in-between shade of blue: not too dark, not too light. maybe closer to royal blue? those were sweet also. so, if you look back, the chargers have had some pretty sweet unis over time. this latest batch just looks wrong, however.

  • Mike | October 15, 2007 at 10:49 am |
  • Elena E | October 15, 2007 at 10:51 am |

    The Wisconsin throw-back basketball uni’s make the guys look like Raggedy Ann, with those modern, bloomery shorts.

  • Joe Drennan | October 15, 2007 at 10:54 am |

    [quote comment=”156810″]Love guru?

    http://news.yahoo.co...
    It’s the movie he’s working on where he apparently plays a love guru for some hockey player. I have no idea but will probably see it simply because it’s a hockey movie, then wish I hadn’t – same as I did with Slap Shot 2.

  • Brian C | October 15, 2007 at 10:57 am |

    I remember that before the Red Sox switched to the red crowned cap back in seventies they wore what Bill Lee called the “Peanut Vendor’s” cap, with a blue crown and red front panel. I forgot about the solid red alternate socks, though. Now that many players show a lot of sock that they’d go back to the ones with the blue and white stripes on them. I know the new ownership changed to solid red socks because “they’re the Red Sox”, but they went overboard with red sleeves (I miss the blue sleeves), red batting practice and alternate jerseys, red warm-up jackets (at home, anyway), etc. Why not just exclusively sign red heads and communists while they’re at it? As long as they don’t switch to red hats…

  • Brian C | October 15, 2007 at 10:58 am |

    I meant to say “Now that many players show a lot of sock I wish that they’d go back to the ones with the blue and white stripes on them.”

  • Dee Dee | October 15, 2007 at 10:58 am |

    yes, the saints gold pants are great. all of this nfl uni talk about the chargers and saints makes me want to list my top five favorite current nfl unis.

    1. browns. so classic, so amazingly cool. no one today would pick brown and orange as their team colors. just awesome. never change, cleveland, never change!

    2. bears. i think the bears and browns might actually be tied for best two unis in the league. again, so classic, but just a great color combo and design–all of the sleave and sock striping, the cool number design, the great helmet “C”.

    3. raiders. sensing a theme here…classic!

    4. saints. ONLY when they wear gold pants. the all black combo is just awful. their helmet design is great.

    5. cowboys. i like how they use a navy blue for their dark jerseys rather than the main royal blue they use on their home whites. interesting. great helmet too.

    i also like the dolphins (just wish they’d ditch the block letter/numbers), the panthers caroline blues (not the blacks so much and their logo is crap), colts, chiefs, and packers.

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | October 15, 2007 at 11:11 am |

    Odd how similar Houston and Dallas flags are…

  • jonsel | October 15, 2007 at 11:13 am |

    Regarding the Adidas logo creep at Yankee Stadium, that is merely a camera angle issue. The Adidas flag is on one of the poles atop the outfield facade, while the US flag (and an MIA flag as well) is on a flagpole in Monument Park.

  • Boston Nick | October 15, 2007 at 11:13 am |

    [quote comment=”156815″]I remember that before the Red Sox switched to the red crowned cap back in seventies they wore what Bill Lee called the “Peanut Vendor’s” cap, with a blue crown and red front panel. I forgot about the solid red alternate socks, though. Now that many players show a lot of sock that they’d go back to the ones with the blue and white stripes on them. I know the new ownership changed to solid red socks because “they’re the Red Sox”, but they went overboard with red sleeves (I miss the blue sleeves), red batting practice and alternate jerseys, red warm-up jackets (at home, anyway), etc. Why not just exclusively sign red heads and communists while they’re at it? As long as they don’t switch to red hats…[/quote]

    I completely agree about the stirrups/socks. I really miss the blue and white striping on those…Tek would look awesome with that look.

    I disagree about the sleeves though. I do like the red sleeves under the jerseys. Getting more red in a way that’s not overly intrusive (like the alternate jersey, which I’m not a big fan of) is fine by me.

    As far as the batting practice stuff, I can deal with all that. I just wish they hadn’t changed the BP cap design, because I have had the previous incarnation (blue hat, red bill) for about 4 years. It’s comfortable as hell (love the flexfit) and a look that I love, but it’s not easy to find a replacement now that it’s the old model.

  • Stuby | October 15, 2007 at 11:13 am |

    In regards to a discussion from a week or so ago, Boise State and San Jose State both have a different logo for each side of the helmet.

  • Max | October 15, 2007 at 11:16 am |

    [quote comment=”156814″][quote comment=”156810″]Love guru?

    http://news.yahoo.co...
    It’s the movie he’s working on where he apparently plays a love guru for some hockey player. I have no idea but will probably see it simply because it’s a hockey movie, then wish I hadn’t – same as I did with Slap Shot 2.[/quote]

    From: http://imdb.com/titl...

    The Love Guru

    Plot Outline:
    Pitka (Meyers) an American raised outside of his country by gurus, returns to the States in order to break into the self-help business. His first challenge: To settle the romantic troubles and subsequent professional skid of a star hockey player (Malco) whose wife left him for a rival athlete (Timberlake).

    It’s going to have Jessica Alba in it also.

    I wanna see Justin Timberlake and Romany Malco
    on skates.

  • Justin | October 15, 2007 at 11:19 am |

    [quote comment=”156823″]Regarding the Adidas logo creep at Yankee Stadium, that is merely a camera angle issue. The Adidas flag is on one of the poles atop the outfield facade, while the US flag (and an MIA flag as well) is on a flagpole in Monument Park.[/quote]

    That is a moot point… the adidas logo shouldn’t even be flying on a flag. the adidas’ marketing team totally thought of this branding oppertunity knowing the camera angles.

  • dm00n | October 15, 2007 at 11:29 am |

    What is up with the swoosh socks that Michigan State is wearing? Or are those some sort of undershorts?

    Meanwhile, the goalie is mixing it up.

  • todd krevanchi | October 15, 2007 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”156814″][quote comment=”156810″]Love guru?

    http://news.yahoo.co...
    It’s the movie he’s working on where he apparently plays a love guru for some hockey player. I have no idea but will probably see it simply because it’s a hockey movie, then wish I hadn’t – same as I did with Slap Shot 2.[/quote]

    its funny how the joke that goes,
    “whats the best movie about golf? caddyshack.
    whats the worst movie about golf? caddyshack 2.”
    applies to slapshot as well.

  • Mike | October 15, 2007 at 11:31 am |

    I was so happy to see the Rox back in black last night. Are they pointless vests? Yes. Are they ugly? No. And are the Rox unbeatable in black? Hell yes!

  • Shane | October 15, 2007 at 11:32 am |

    Speaking of city flags, how could we possibly forget the greatness that was the old Chicago Fire third jersey?

  • Mike | October 15, 2007 at 11:33 am |

    [quote comment=”156832″]What is up with the swoosh socks that Michigan State is wearing? Or are those some sort of undershorts?

    Meanwhile, the goalie is mixing it up.[/quote]
    Jeff Lerg is still the Michigan State goalie?! I thought he graduated! So much for the rest of the CCHA this season, they’re screwed.

  • Phil | October 15, 2007 at 11:36 am |

    [quote comment=”156810″]Love guru?

    http://news.yahoo.co...
    Were Gilmour & Ferguson issued team neck ties for the event?

  • Alan #44 | October 15, 2007 at 11:39 am |

    Regarding the city flags, I love that the Denver flag is similar to the NHL Rockies unis, and that the NYC flag is Blue and White, like the Mets USED to be.

  • Johnrocks_32 | October 15, 2007 at 11:42 am |

    [quote comment=”156792″]Round 3 is up of the NFL Uniform Tournament. I don’t want to spam uni-watch, but I put up this round last Friday and I’ve only had two votes! However, I know at least some people here enjoy it.[/quote]
    Is it just me or does the Steelers pants on thew home uniform not look Steelers Gold

  • Johnrocks_32 | October 15, 2007 at 11:43 am |

    [quote comment=”156825″]In regards to a discussion from a week or so ago, Boise State and San Jose State both have a different logo for each side of the helmet.[/quote]
    WHAT?

  • Mark Max | October 15, 2007 at 11:44 am |

    [quote comment=”156839″][quote comment=”156810″]Love guru?

    http://news.yahoo.co...
    Were Gilmour & Ferguson issued team neck ties for the event?[/quote]
    That’s actually the Hockey Fights Cancer necktie, you can actually buy it at the shop on NHL.com.

  • Jason | October 15, 2007 at 11:45 am |

    Love the city flag site. The ratings are just about perfect IMO. The top 20 or so are works of art and the bottom 20 or so…I mean, what was Milwaukee thinking?!?!?

  • Mark Max | October 15, 2007 at 11:46 am |

    [quote comment=”156843″][quote comment=”156839″][quote comment=”156810″]Love guru?

    http://news.yahoo.co...
    Were Gilmour & Ferguson issued team neck ties for the event?[/quote]
    That’s actually the Hockey Fights Cancer necktie, you can actually buy it at the shop on NHL.com.[/quote]
    Here’s a link to the tie.

  • Karl Anderson | October 15, 2007 at 11:46 am |

    [quote comment=”156832″]What is up with the swoosh socks that Michigan State is wearing? Or are those some sort of undershorts?

    Meanwhile, the goalie is mixing it up.[/quote]

    http://www.startribu...

    All of the Nike college hockey teams wear those socks. Speaking of college hockey-the Gophers are back to wearing Nike under their necks and have lost the “Easton” logo (for a stick sponsorship) this year.

  • jere | October 15, 2007 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”156824″][quote comment=”156815″]I remember that before the Red Sox switched to the red crowned cap back in seventies they wore what Bill Lee called the “Peanut Vendor’s” cap, with a blue crown and red front panel. I forgot about the solid red alternate socks, though. Now that many players show a lot of sock that they’d go back to the ones with the blue and white stripes on them. I know the new ownership changed to solid red socks because “they’re the Red Sox”, but they went overboard with red sleeves (I miss the blue sleeves), red batting practice and alternate jerseys, red warm-up jackets (at home, anyway), etc. Why not just exclusively sign red heads and communists while they’re at it? As long as they don’t switch to red hats…[/quote]

    I completely agree about the stirrups/socks. I really miss the blue and white striping on those…Tek would look awesome with that look.

    I disagree about the sleeves though. I do like the red sleeves under the jerseys. Getting more red in a way that’s not overly intrusive (like the alternate jersey, which I’m not a big fan of) is fine by me.

    As far as the batting practice stuff, I can deal with all that. I just wish they hadn’t changed the BP cap design, because I have had the previous incarnation (blue hat, red bill) for about 4 years. It’s comfortable as hell (love the flexfit) and a look that I love, but it’s not easy to find a replacement now that it’s the old model.[/quote]

    About the sleeves: I have noticed some Red Sox players wearing blue sleeves under the uniform again. Late this season. So maybe they’re making a comeback.

    About the ’74 hats. I had also never seen an actual photo of these, until I found one this past August and blogged about it. Click on the pic in that post, and you can really tell, especially on Bill Lee, right in the middle, that there’s blue on the side of the cap. And on the action shots, it’s hard to tell but the socks are solid red.

  • Sean | October 15, 2007 at 11:56 am |
  • Shane | October 15, 2007 at 11:57 am |

    [quote comment=”156847″]
    About the sleeves: I have noticed some Red Sox players wearing blue sleeves under the uniform again. Late this season. So maybe they’re making a comeback.[/quote]

    I know Jon Lester wears black, and I’m pretty sure Mike Timlin ditched his camo for the black as well. Glad to see blue making a comeback though.

  • Roger Bertholf | October 15, 2007 at 11:58 am |

    Did anyone else happen to note that in yesterday’s (NFL week 6) game between the Jacksonville Jaguars and the Houston Texans, the Jags were in black pants with white jerseys, and the Texans were in white pants with black jerseys. Both teams wear black helmets. For a minute there, I thought I was watching a b/w broadcast.

  • John M | October 15, 2007 at 12:03 pm |

    I was dissapointed in my school’s (ODU) choice of football uniform. I had seen a couple sketches on their website and it had a simple “Old Dominion” across the chest. Oh well.

  • ross | October 15, 2007 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”156835″]Speaking of city flags, how could we possibly forget the greatness that was the old Chicago Fire third jersey?[/quote]

    Also, the four stars on the Chicago flag represent important events in the city’s history (the actual chicago fire, the columbian exposition, etc.) One of their selling points for the 2016 Olympics is that they will add a fifth star to the flag commemorating the games.

  • markcg12 | October 15, 2007 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”156853″]Did anyone else happen to note that in yesterday’s (NFL week 6) game between the Jacksonville Jaguars and the Houston Texans, the Jags were in black pants with white jerseys, and the Texans were in white pants with black jerseys. Both teams wear black helmets. For a minute there, I thought I was watching a b/w broadcast.[/quote]

    The Texans wear dark navy blue jerseys and navy blue helmets.

  • Jonathon | October 15, 2007 at 12:13 pm |

    Helton’s undershirt was on backwards last night. The MLB logo was visible just above the top button of his jersey. It was definitely a Nike Dri-Fit undershirt – and the MLB logo is on the back of the neckline of that Nike product. It was pretty clear during the close-up shots of his at-bats. However, by the end of the game, I guess he turned it around. I don’t have photos of the at-bats, but here he is at the end of the game:

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • Mike from Queens | October 15, 2007 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”156840″]Regarding the city flags, I love that the Denver flag is similar to the NHL Rockies unis, and that the NYC flag is Blue and White, like the Mets USED to be.[/quote]

    The NHL Rockies unis took their design from the Colorado state flag, so it’s not surprising to see Denver’s look like that.

    As for the NYC flags… the one on that site is red, white, and blue, which is obviously not the Mets’ colors. But this picture is kind of interesting. Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.

  • joe | October 15, 2007 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”156826″][quote comment=”156814″][quote comment=”156810″]Love guru?

    http://news.yahoo.co...
    It’s the movie he’s working on where he apparently plays a love guru for some hockey player. I have no idea but will probably see it simply because it’s a hockey movie, then wish I hadn’t – same as I did with Slap Shot 2.[/quote]

    From: http://imdb.com/titl...

    The Love Guru

    Plot Outline:
    Pitka (Meyers) an American raised outside of his country by gurus, returns to the States in order to break into the self-help business. His first challenge: To settle the romantic troubles and subsequent professional skid of a star hockey player (Malco) whose wife left him for a rival athlete (Timberlake).

    It’s going to have Jessica Alba in it also.

    I wanna see Justin Timberlake and Romany Malco
    on skates.[/quote]
    i’d much prefer Alba in a figure skating outfit.

  • krista | October 15, 2007 at 12:18 pm |

    in reference to the volleyball socks, those aren’t just plain spots, those guys actually have little volleyballs on them.

  • Ian K | October 15, 2007 at 12:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”156855″]I was dissapointed in my school’s (ODU) choice of football uniform. I had seen a couple sketches on their website and it had a simple “Old Dominion” across the chest. Oh well.[/quote]

    I get it that Nike sponsors the team unis. But why couldn’t they put the swoosh on a blue field to match the uniforms? The red looks so out of place.

  • dm00n | October 15, 2007 at 12:22 pm |

    Now Scott Greene has found a page featuring dozens of city flags, most of which I’d never seen before. Did you know Detroit’s flag looked like this? Or that Long Beach’s looked like this? Fascinating stuff — highly recommended.

    The Detroit flag has the stars and stripes of the US in the upper left and lower right, lions representing England in the upper right and fleurs-de-lis representing France in the lower right. All of this business surrounds the city seal. The Detroit Historical Museum flies flags of the United Kingdom and France next to the US flag. The flag designs represent the eras when Detroit was a French and British owned city.

    For my money, they should change the city flag to a design with the Spirit of Detroit.

  • John | October 15, 2007 at 12:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”156861″][quote comment=”156826″][quote comment=”156814″][quote comment=”156810″]Love guru?

    http://news.yahoo.co...
    It’s the movie he’s working on where he apparently plays a love guru for some hockey player. I have no idea but will probably see it simply because it’s a hockey movie, then wish I hadn’t – same as I did with Slap Shot 2.[/quote]

    From: http://imdb.com/titl...

    The Love Guru

    Plot Outline:
    Pitka (Meyers) an American raised outside of his country by gurus, returns to the States in order to break into the self-help business. His first challenge: To settle the romantic troubles and subsequent professional skid of a star hockey player (Malco) whose wife left him for a rival athlete (Timberlake).

    It’s going to have Jessica Alba in it also.

    I wanna see Justin Timberlake and Romany Malco
    on skates.[/quote]
    i’d much prefer Alba in a figure skating outfit.[/quote]
    Wait, wait, wait….. Romany Malco is playing a star Hockey player? And no one else realizes the irony of that?

  • Thomps | October 15, 2007 at 12:37 pm |

    FYI, Hawaii switched up their road uniforms this week by adding their home green helmet. I wonder who makes the call on which helmet to wear on the road? Apparently they have also twice worn the silver helmets at home.
    Road Uni with Silver Helmet

    Road Uniform with Green Helmet

    Home Uniform with Green Helmet

    Home Uniform with Silver Helmet

    Home Uniform with Silver Helmet and Silver Pants

    Here is an artcile detailing their recent helmet history.

    Regardless, in my opinion they need to scrap the home/road helmet thing and stick with the green helmet. Also, they should switch to Dark Green pants both at home and on the road.

    Which do you think looks the best?

  • E Ro | October 15, 2007 at 12:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”156846″][quote comment=”156832″]What is up with the swoosh socks that Michigan State is wearing? Or are those some sort of undershorts?

    Meanwhile, the goalie is mixing it up.[/quote]

    http://www.startribu...

    All of the Nike college hockey teams wear those socks. Speaking of college hockey-the Gophers are back to wearing Nike under their necks and have lost the “Easton” logo (for a stick sponsorship) this year.[/quote]

    Also, all OHL teams wear an equivalent RBK logo on their socks.

  • Stormwater Design | October 15, 2007 at 12:40 pm |

    The Jets kind of looked like LSU or U of Pitt yesterday.

  • Nuk | October 15, 2007 at 12:42 pm |

    You know you’ve married the right person, when your wife comes in during the Buffalo-Dallas game last Monday and says – “Why are they (Dallas) wearing pants the colour of my grandmother’s Oldsmobile? They don’t match the helmet or anything else.” and then wanders in during the Dallas-NE game and says “I still can’t understand why they’re wearing ‘ice-mint’ pants…” – leading to a great discussion on uniforms and aesthetic choices.

  • Web Designer | October 15, 2007 at 12:43 pm |

    Who wouldn’t wear a ski cap for some Denver baseball in October? :) Just think how cold and possibly snowy it will be by the time the Red Sox or Indians arrive.

  • John T | October 15, 2007 at 12:45 pm |

    Was watching the Pats/Dallas game on Sky Sports in Ireland and saw a weird thing. They had a Gold Patriots helmet on display. They always have a helmet for each team in front of the in studio analysts and I guess they did not want the 2 silver helmets on display. Is this part of an alt uni for the pats (just wondering)??
    (I hope that this is not related to the Tampa Bay font question!!)

  • Ronnie Poore | October 15, 2007 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”156808″]Nice to see the Saints in gold pants last night. When will they start wearing those at home again?[/quote]

    i wish they’d make the pants stripes the same as the helmet stripes….black/white/black. the big wide black stripe seems a copy of the steelers design.

  • Michael Fraser | October 15, 2007 at 12:48 pm |

    In 1952 when UCLA went up to play California, Cal made UCLA wear a white uniform, since UCLA’s “powder keg blue”, blue uniform were a blue against Cal’s navy. (Actually 1952 was the one year UCLA wore white pants, and that Cal wore a dark blue helmet with UCLA wearing a gold one, there would have been enough contrast).
    The white uniforms UCLA wore that day used a letter/number setup instead of numbers. For instance center/middle linebacker Don Moumaw wor C3 instead of his now retired #80. The letter worn for the 1st digit was the posistion played, and the 2nd digit was in alphabetical order. So the quarterbacks were Q1, Q2, Q3, etc.

  • timmy b | October 15, 2007 at 1:02 pm |

    I’m trying to compile a list of uniform quirks and eccentricities that aren’t part of a team’s official uni specs but have nonetheless become part of the team’s established protocol. Examples would include the Cowboys’ Dymo Tape helmet nameplates (as seen at right) and jersey tie-downs, the Giants’ rounded nameplates, the Bears’ horizontal shoulder darts, the Steelers’ heavily ribbed socks, the Red Wings’ preseason use of straight nameplates, and so on. Care to contribute some additional examples? You know what to do.

    the steelers never wear the front helmet numerals in the pre-season games. they always wear them on the front in the regular season.

  • Kenny | October 15, 2007 at 1:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”156875″]The Jets kind of looked like LSU or U of Pitt yesterday.[/quote]

    I think they look like Army

  • Jake | October 15, 2007 at 1:05 pm |

    Please excuse me if I missed a conversation on this earlier, but did anyone else notice that Bill Belichick was wearing a polo shirt on the sideline yesterday ?

    Instead of the “I’m a bum” ragged sweatshirt look, he was rocking the “I’m a coach in the NFL” look.

    Is there a story here ?

    Very weird.

  • kings33 | October 15, 2007 at 1:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”156877″]Who wouldn’t wear a ski cap for some Denver baseball in October? :) Just think how cold and possibly snowy it will be by the time the Red Sox or Indians arrive.[/quote]
    You’ve just made the case for some DAY GAMES! Denver’s got highs in the ’50’s and 60’s for the next 10 days, with lows in the ’40s. How about some 4PM Mountain time starts…6 PM on the East Coast?

  • GoMac | October 15, 2007 at 1:09 pm |

    Alright..I didn’t get to read through the comments yet..but about Rutgers wearing black pants..I put on the game and didn’t realize it was us playing until I saw the score..

    But I kinda saw it coming..because we changed our pants after the Maryland loss..so it only made sense to change it up..

    Plus..I’m thinking this is the next step to have a “Black Out” game against South Florida this Thursday..which I think would be pretty sweet..even though I don’t like all blacks..

  • Pat | October 15, 2007 at 1:09 pm |

    [quote]Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]

    Anyone care to share with an uninformed person?

    I’ve never heard the story before.

  • Shaftman | October 15, 2007 at 1:10 pm |

    What was nice about the Jets throwback day was the way the orginization went all out (in the uni dept, certainly not on the field). Even Coach Mangini and the Flight Crew got into the act.

  • Philly Bill | October 15, 2007 at 1:11 pm |

    Apparently two links is too many for the post eater.

    Let’s try again — here is a shot of the credit card that looks like my Uni Watch membership card:

    http://www.texanscu....

  • Philly Bill | October 15, 2007 at 1:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”156890″][quote]Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]

    Anyone care to share with an uninformed person?

    I’ve never heard the story before.[/quote]

    Blue from the Dodgers, orange from the Giants… right?

  • Billy D | October 15, 2007 at 1:18 pm |

    I really liked the Jets throwbacks yesterday. It seems like the Fox commentators didn’t though. While watching the Vikings-Bears game I heard multiple comments about the “ugly” Jets uniforms. When will people learn Jets throwbacks=good, Vikings/Bengals/Cardinals new uniforms=ugly?

  • Joe from WV | October 15, 2007 at 1:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”156896″][quote comment=”156890″][quote]Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]

    Anyone care to share with an uninformed person?

    I’ve never heard the story before.[/quote]

    Blue from the Dodgers, orange from the Giants… right?[/quote]

    …plus the pinstripes from the Yankees.

  • Pat | October 15, 2007 at 1:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”156896″][quote comment=”156890″][quote]Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]

    Anyone care to share with an uninformed person?

    I’ve never heard the story before.[/quote]

    Blue from the Dodgers, orange from the Giants… right?[/quote]

    Makes sense. Thanks.

  • Mark in Shiga | October 15, 2007 at 1:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”156764″]
    For a while, there was some rugby team in London (the Harlequins?) who numbered their players A-M instead of 1-15.

    Ohio State and Cornell are two teams who, parenthetically, get around this by making three-digit uniforms (for practice only; if they have more than 100 on the sidelines, they’ll have duplicate numbers).
    [/quote]

    Any pictures of these? I’m a big triple-digit aficionado. Here in Japanese baseball, many staffers and other non-players such as BP pitchers, bullpen catchers, interpreters, conditioning assistants, and the like get such numbers. And since last season, “developmental players” (who can appear in JV games only) have to wear three digits. The Chunichi Dragons were already up to about 120 with their staff, so with the developmental guys, they jumped ahead to the 200s. (That’s Norihiro Nakamura.)

    I think there was an Australian Rules Football team that tried to use the players’ initials instead of numbers. Can’t seem to find it now.

  • Mark Mihalik | October 15, 2007 at 1:27 pm |

    A couple notes (and all credit here goes to niketalk’s docious)…

    Vincent Jackson had powder blue cleats on Sunday… LT and several other chargers were wearing royal blue receiver’s gloves, which were a pretty glaring mis-match to the powder blue color… and Braylon Edwards changed his cleats mid-game, wearing Huarache’s in the first half and Vapors in the second half.

  • Scott Greene | October 15, 2007 at 1:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”156857″][quote comment=”156835″]Speaking of city flags, how could we possibly forget the greatness that was the old Chicago Fire third jersey?[/quote]

    Also, the four stars on the Chicago flag represent important events in the city’s history (the actual chicago fire, the columbian exposition, etc.) One of their selling points for the 2016 Olympics is that they will add a fifth star to the flag commemorating the games.[/quote]

    That’s my favorite part of the Chicago flag…every part of the flag has meaning to it.

    Stars are Ft. Deaborn Massacre, Columbian Exposition, World’s Fair of 1933, and the Fire.

    Stripes are North and South Branch of the Chicago river.

    White Spaces represent West, North, and South side

  • dm00n | October 15, 2007 at 1:28 pm |

    Not uni related, but I didn’t realize that one of those overhead cable cameras fell onto the field during the Seahawks – Saints game.

    I was half watching the game and remember them mentioning that they stopped play until they got the overhead camera working, which seemed stupid. I thought there was a glitch, not that it completely came down. Weird that they would even put it back up (and that they would have to institute an on-the-fly rule to deal with the cables). TV does run an NFL game though.

  • Pat | October 15, 2007 at 1:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”156886″]Please excuse me if I missed a conversation on this earlier, but did anyone else notice that Bill Belichick was wearing a polo shirt on the sideline yesterday ?

    Instead of the “I’m a bum” ragged sweatshirt look, he was rocking the “I’m a coach in the NFL” look.

    Is there a story here ?

    Very weird.[/quote]

    Belichik usually only wears the sweatshirt in cold weather. The rest of the games he goes with the polo, as you saw yesterday, or a pullover.

    Sure, the sweatshirt is ugly but I think it’s completely imbecile to make a big deal out of it. For ESPN to make a fluff piece about it yesterday, to me, was completely unnecessary. “Oh did you know, he cuts the sleeves off himself!” Big friggin deal.

    The only reason it has become iconic is that he wears it during cold weather games and cold weather games are during the months of December and January. (He wore it during the Super Bowl in Jacksonville one year, but I remember hearing about what a cold day it was in Jacksonville that day so that’s not even an aberration, just proof.) Those are high profile games where he and the Patriots are very visible.

    It’s not superstition, he’s not making a statement. He’s just cold. He said he cuts the sleeves off because he likes the loose feeling.

    I’m sorry, but am I the only one that gets kind of mad that people keep making dumb jokes (not on here, but ESPN, SI, etc.) about the sweatshirt?

    I’m not attacking whoever wrote this comment, or anyone else on here, just venting a little bit.

  • bmarlowe | October 15, 2007 at 1:35 pm |

    Withe respect to the Eskanazi “Spalding Tour” photo, does anyone know any more about that?

  • possum | October 15, 2007 at 1:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”156898″][quote comment=”156896″][quote comment=”156890″][quote]Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]

    Anyone care to share with an uninformed person?

    I’ve never heard the story before.[/quote]

    Blue from the Dodgers, orange from the Giants… right?[/quote]

    …plus the pinstripes from the Yankees.[/quote]
    That is one of the lamest things I’ve ever heard. Just another reason to hate the Mets. Seriously, that’s stupid. Come up with something original!

  • jack | October 15, 2007 at 1:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”156886″]Please excuse me if I missed a conversation on this earlier, but did anyone else notice that Bill Belichick was wearing a polo shirt on the sideline yesterday ?

    Instead of the “I’m a bum” ragged sweatshirt look, he was rocking the “I’m a coach in the NFL” look.

    Is there a story here ?

    Very weird.[/quote]

    Since the NFL requires the coaches to wear reebok on the sidelines, Bill wears that raggedy sweatshirt to make the company (and the nfl) look as bad as possible, as he just doesn’t like being used as a walking advertisement.

  • Joey Guns | October 15, 2007 at 1:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”156797″][quote comment=”156791″]Yesterday my 4 year old son and I were watching the Bears vs. Vikings game and he turned to me and said “Dad, what’s that dot on the back of that helmet for?” I’ve never been so proud of my little UniWatch buddy. Then I found out later he even explained it to his Mom! I may have to get him his own membership card for his birthday after that one.[/quote]

    I applaud you for patiently explaning it to him, rather than tursely directing him to the FAQ section![/quote]

    I was in the car with my friend yesterday, and we were listening to the Jets/Eagles game on the radio. I explained to him about the whole green dot thing, which was new this season, as well as Brad Smith having 2 helmets, because he’s a backup QB, but also a WR, so he can’t wear his QB helmet when he’s playing WR. While I was at it, I also mentioned the captain “C” patches that they’re wearing this year.

  • Joey Guns | October 15, 2007 at 1:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”156904″]Not uni related, but I didn’t realize that one of those overhead cable cameras fell onto the field during the Seahawks – Saints game.

    I was half watching the game and remember them mentioning that they stopped play until they got the overhead camera working, which seemed stupid. I thought there was a glitch, not that it completely came down. Weird that they would even put it back up (and that they would have to institute an on-the-fly rule to deal with the cables). TV does run an NFL game though.[/quote]

    Did you notice how they refused to show the broken tv camera on tv? I had to see the pics on the internet this morning of it completely on the ground. Very sneaky, NBC! Let’s see if the sky cam is retired after this mishap!

  • Pat | October 15, 2007 at 1:42 pm |

    [quote]Since the NFL requires the coaches to wear reebok on the sidelines, Bill wears that raggedy sweatshirt to make the company (and the nfl) look as bad as possible, as he just doesn’t like being used as a walking advertisement.[/quote]

    Exactly what I was talking about in #101. It’s not a statement. He’s just cold.

  • dm00n | October 15, 2007 at 1:43 pm |

    I dunno, the subject of coach attire in general seems a little silly. In an ideal world everyone would be dressed like either Joe Paterno or Tom Landry. But Belichick choses to come out in rags, looking like maybe he was getting ready to paint his basement but suddenly remembered he had to coach a professional football team playing in a nationally televised game. Maybe it is his silent protest of the league dictating what coaching staff should wear. First he cut off the sleeves. Then casually removed an E. If nobody noticed, maybe the Q was next.

  • dm00n | October 15, 2007 at 1:48 pm |

    (in other words, what you guys said)

  • dm00n | October 15, 2007 at 1:54 pm |

    Also, I was surprised to see that NBC had a shot over Mike Holmgren’s shoulder of his play menu thing. I rewound and paused it and could clearly read most of what was on there (thanks HD DVR!). I am not sure what benefit it would be for defensive play calling. Also, I wonder if they change the numbering every week (it said “vs. New Orleans Saints” across the top). Just seemed odd that the NFL would be cool with their broadcast partner peeking into a team’s playbook.

    Conspiracy theory: maybe the Seahawks cut the overhead cam cables.

  • derek | October 15, 2007 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”156841″][quote comment=”156792″]Round 3 is up of the NFL Uniform Tournament. I don’t want to spam uni-watch, but I put up this round last Friday and I’ve only had two votes! However, I know at least some people here enjoy it.[/quote]
    Is it just me or does the Steelers pants on thew home uniform not look Steelers Gold[/quote]

    I think that might be from the shadow but im not sure.

  • Broker75 | October 15, 2007 at 2:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”156822″]Odd how similar Houston and Dallas flags are…[/quote]
    Even more odd that thge flag of Houston reflects the Cowboys uni-color, and the Dallas flag reflect the Texans’ colors..

  • Hama | October 15, 2007 at 2:09 pm |

    Regarding the Card Photo – It was a seemingly regular practice for Topps to recycle photos from year to year – so it wouldn’t surprise me if they pulled that photo out of their archives from a previous year – as it were the ’64 ASG.

    Jagr’s Jersey – Everyone has their own ideas and superstitions – no different than Gretzky tucking in the one side and having held down with Velcro. It’s nice to see something less than uniform than the No Fun League, the Dress Code League and the Pajama Party Legue. For the most part everyone looks uniform – but I don’t see a major problem with it in the NHL.

    As far as the remark about the Nike logo on the pants – it’s not an issue as long as each manufacturer has paid the NHL a fee to have each particular piece of equipment shown. Reebok is obviously exempt as the official supplier, but I think the fees would vary – but I believe it was $5-10K depending on the item.

    As far as branding of the helmets in the NHL with the team logos for every team. It wouldn’t be an issue if everyone had the same type of headgear, but when you have upwards of about 10-15 styles of helmets being worn – it can be pretty difficult. It’s not like football where pretty much every piece of headgear is round and is a solid shell. Hockey helmets have way too many parts and nooks and crannies to stick a massive decal on the lid.

  • patrick | October 15, 2007 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”156875″]The Jets kind of looked like LSU or U of Pitt yesterday.[/quote]

    I thought of UCLA, obviosuly with a different color scheme. The White surrounding blue shoudler yokes (right word) really reminded me of UCLA

  • Gazzoo | October 15, 2007 at 2:15 pm |

    re: 107

    Here’s another angle from appears to be the same pose…

    http://www.pcclubspo...

  • Johnny O | October 15, 2007 at 2:17 pm |

    Not uni-related, so I apologize in advance… but does anyone have a picture of the men’s 4×100 USA team that dominated the Olympics either in 2000 or 2004 and then posed like a bunch of ass clowns for the cameras and acted like bodybuilders. I am doing a report on sportsmanship, and would really like to add this photo in the document. Thank you so much

  • Joe S | October 15, 2007 at 2:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”156923″][quote comment=”156841″][quote comment=”156792″]Round 3 is up of the NFL Uniform Tournament. I don’t want to spam uni-watch, but I put up this round last Friday and I’ve only had two votes! However, I know at least some people here enjoy it.[/quote]
    Is it just me or does the Steelers pants on thew home uniform not look Steelers Gold[/quote]

    I think that might be from the shadow but im not sure.[/quote]

    I think it might just be the lighting. When I made the collages, I wasn’t looking for the best image, I was just trying to find a decent head-to-toe pic from this year. I didn’t want to spend a ton of time on each since I had 32 to make!

    P.S. Here’s a test for true uni-watchers: there were two teams that I had only worn one color jersey so far this year when I made the images and I had to use a shot from last year. Can you tell who they are?

  • Ben | October 15, 2007 at 2:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”156930″]As far as branding of the helmets in the NHL with the team logos for every team. It wouldn’t be an issue if everyone had the same type of headgear, but when you have upwards of about 10-15 styles of helmets being worn – it can be pretty difficult. It’s not like football where pretty much every piece of headgear is round and is a solid shell. Hockey helmets have way too many parts and nooks and crannies to stick a massive decal on the lid.[/quote]

    I still don’t understand what you guys are talking about here. All of the NHL teams do have their logo, or wordmark on their helmets.

  • Ian K | October 15, 2007 at 2:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”156894″]Apparently two links is too many for the post eater.

    Let’s try again — here is a shot of the credit card that looks like my Uni Watch membership card:

    http://www.texanscu....

    Philly Bill, after you mentioned this I saw the ad on an actual bus on my way home. I posted it Friday, but after the workday ended:

    [quote comment=”155908″]Philly Bill, ask and you shall receive!

    There was a confluence of buses as I walked out of my building and got a picture of what I think you saw this morning. Pardon the quality, it’s my cell phone camera. I guess it resembles your Uni Watch membership card, but personally I think the FC Dallas card (with the longhorn) looks the best.[/quote]

  • John | October 15, 2007 at 2:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”156935″][quote comment=”156923″][quote comment=”156841″][quote comment=”156792″]Round 3 is up of the NFL Uniform Tournament. I don’t want to spam uni-watch, but I put up this round last Friday and I’ve only had two votes! However, I know at least some people here enjoy it.[/quote]
    Is it just me or does the Steelers pants on thew home uniform not look Steelers Gold[/quote]

    I think that might be from the shadow but im not sure.[/quote]

    I think it might just be the lighting. When I made the collages, I wasn’t looking for the best image, I was just trying to find a decent head-to-toe pic from this year. I didn’t want to spend a ton of time on each since I had 32 to make!

    P.S. Here’s a test for true uni-watchers: there were two teams that I had only worn one color jersey so far this year when I made the images and I had to use a shot from last year. Can you tell who they are?[/quote]
    One is defenitely the Giants, I don’t even need to look at your website to know that.

  • Jerico | October 15, 2007 at 2:29 pm |

    my post got eaten, I think

  • Joe Drennan | October 15, 2007 at 2:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”156936″][quote comment=”156930″]As far as branding of the helmets in the NHL with the team logos for every team. It wouldn’t be an issue if everyone had the same type of headgear, but when you have upwards of about 10-15 styles of helmets being worn – it can be pretty difficult. It’s not like football where pretty much every piece of headgear is round and is a solid shell. Hockey helmets have way too many parts and nooks and crannies to stick a massive decal on the lid.[/quote]

    I still don’t understand what you guys are talking about here. All of the NHL teams do have their logo, or wordmark on their helmets.[/quote]
    I’m with you. You can even buy many of the sitckers and team font numbers for your own helmets. The best part of buying helmet stickers is there is an extra oval of the helmet color, say white for an away Hawks helmet to cover the manufacturer’s logo on the dome of the helmet.

  • Joe S | October 15, 2007 at 2:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”156913″]
    Are you sure it isn’t some kind of “composite” or “collage” (obviously no photo shop back then). Mays’ hat shadow falls on his right chest/shoulder and Killebrews on his left chest/shoulder. During the day you should only have one light source.[/quote]

    I had to go back and look at it again and it does look strange, but I don’t think it’s any kind of composite. Here is my interpretation:
    The sun is directly in front of them and pretty high in the sky (but not directly over head). The shadow is of their hat brims and is cast straight down toward their chins, however since their bodies are turned, the shadow continues down and back toward their back shoulder (HK’s left shoulder and WM’s right). Also consider the fact that their heads are turned in toward each other (toward those back shoulders).
    Finally you should also consider the fact that there are other pics out there of this exact gathering from other angles.

  • Mike | October 15, 2007 at 2:38 pm |

    Sorry If I missed this somewhere along the way; but I was checking out the NFL shop, sizing up a personalized Packers, #33, Michael ‘the Burner’ Turner jersey, (in hopes of his impending trade), when I saw the GOLD “alternate” jersey. Anyone know if this is JUST a fashion piece or are the Pack seriously considering this? I wouldn’t mind a break from tradition once a year with the gold. Frankly I LOVE the white jerseys too.
    Slainte’
    Mike

  • Joe S | October 15, 2007 at 2:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”156939″][quote comment=”156935″][quote comment=”156923″][quote comment=”156841″][quote comment=”156792″]Round 3 is up of the NFL Uniform Tournament. I don’t want to spam uni-watch, but I put up this round last Friday and I’ve only had two votes! However, I know at least some people here enjoy it.[/quote]
    Is it just me or does the Steelers pants on thew home uniform not look Steelers Gold[/quote]

    I think that might be from the shadow but im not sure.[/quote]

    I think it might just be the lighting. When I made the collages, I wasn’t looking for the best image, I was just trying to find a decent head-to-toe pic from this year. I didn’t want to spend a ton of time on each since I had 32 to make!

    P.S. Here’s a test for true uni-watchers: there were two teams that I had only worn one color jersey so far this year when I made the images and I had to use a shot from last year. Can you tell who they are?[/quote]
    One is defenitely the Giants, I don’t even need to look at your website to know that.[/quote]

    Ha, I’m glad you knew, because right after I posted that I thought “I hope nobody calls me on it because I can only remember one of them!” That is the one I couldn’t remember.

  • JP | October 15, 2007 at 2:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”156765″]Santana Moss wasn’t the only Redskin with a collared shirt on, if fact the group I watched the game with only saw the collared shirt on Clinton Portis. I’m not technologically advanced enough to put up a screen grab, but there was a perfect view of him on the sidelines right after Charles Woodson scored on the 57 yard fumble. Made the touchdown even sweeter in a way.[/quote]

    To me it looked as thought Portis was wearing one of the Phiten necklaces that many baseball players currently wear

  • duckstyle | October 15, 2007 at 2:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”156914″][quote]Since the NFL requires the coaches to wear reebok on the sidelines, Bill wears that raggedy sweatshirt to make the company (and the nfl) look as bad as possible, as he just doesn’t like being used as a walking advertisement.[/quote]

    Exactly what I was talking about in #101. It’s not a statement. He’s just cold.[/quote]

    People make a ‘big’ deal out of it because he’s a NFL coach and he looks like a hobo. If I came into the office looking like a homeless person I have my ass sent home. It disrespectful to the game to be in a leadership position when you dress like someone that doesn’t deserve respect. If anyone in the organization wore the cutoff hoodie and wasn’t either working out or taking out trash I’m sure they’d get a talking to. deal with it Patriot’s fans, yeah he’s a great coach, but he looks like a pedophile

  • Anthony Verna | October 15, 2007 at 2:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”156945″]Sorry If I missed this somewhere along the way; but I was checking out the NFL shop, sizing up a personalized Packers, #33, Michael ‘the Burner’ Turner jersey, (in hopes of his impending trade), when I saw the GOLD “alternate” jersey. Anyone know if this is JUST a fashion piece or are the Pack seriously considering this? I wouldn’t mind a break from tradition once a year with the gold. Frankly I LOVE the white jerseys too.
    Slainte’
    Mike[/quote]

    According to Wikipedia. . . “Although alternate gold jerseys with green numbers are sold on a retail basis, the team has no plans to introduce such a jersey to be used in actual games.”

  • dm00n | October 15, 2007 at 2:59 pm |

    To me it looked as thought Portis was wearing one of the Phiten necklaces that many baseball players currently wear

    Wow. I wondered what the deal was with those necklaces. I had no idea someone invented a product with “Micro-sized Titanium Spheres” and “fabric containing Aqua-Titanium” which transports energy (??) and reduces fatigue and tension.

    Sounds, uh, completely believable and scientific.

  • dm00n | October 15, 2007 at 3:00 pm |

    I meant to say that I checked out the Phiten website, which isn’t worth a link.

  • Pat | October 15, 2007 at 3:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”156949″][quote comment=”156914″][quote]Since the NFL requires the coaches to wear reebok on the sidelines, Bill wears that raggedy sweatshirt to make the company (and the nfl) look as bad as possible, as he just doesn’t like being used as a walking advertisement.[/quote]

    Exactly what I was talking about in #101. It’s not a statement. He’s just cold.[/quote]

    People make a ‘big’ deal out of it because he’s a NFL coach and he looks like a hobo. If I came into the office looking like a homeless person I have my ass sent home. It disrespectful to the game to be in a leadership position when you dress like someone that doesn’t deserve respect. If anyone in the organization wore the cutoff hoodie and wasn’t either working out or taking out trash I’m sure they’d get a talking to. deal with it Patriot’s fans, yeah he’s a great coach, but he looks like a pedophile[/quote]

    Yea, we all know he looks like crap (pedophile?????) when he wears the hoodie. But, my point wasn’t made very well. I just really hate the whole hoodie thing. Why is ESPN doing investigative stories about it (fluff or otherwise)? That’s what really bothers me. To me, it’s much more of a big deal that Mike Nolan and Jack Del Rio have started wearing suits at a few home games. That’s where the story is. Not yet another NFL coach wearing another piece of NFL merchandise like pretty much every other coach in the NFL wears.

    He wears the sweatshirt because it’s comfortable. Just I came to work today in a t-shirt and jeans, because it’s comfortable.

    At least he doesn’t look like this.

  • Adam | October 15, 2007 at 3:18 pm |

    The reason why the Titans uniforms looked collegiate was that original owner Harry Weismer was a huge Notre Dame fan…and he modeled the uniform a lot like Notre Dame’s.

    I’m at work but this evening I’ll get the reference.

  • Chris Janke | October 15, 2007 at 3:20 pm |

    In the Boise State game last night the head referee was wearing the 1 inch style Under Armor wrist band on his right wrist.

    So every time he signaled a first down, timeout etc the logo on the inside part of his wrist was clearly visible.

    How is that allowed? Does Under Armor have a contract with NCAA refs? Or can they wear whatever visible brand logos they like? That could really get messy.

  • Graf Zeppelin | October 15, 2007 at 3:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”156908″][quote comment=”156898″][quote comment=”156896″][quote comment=”156890″][quote]Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]

    Anyone care to share with an uninformed person?

    I’ve never heard the story before.[/quote]

    Blue from the Dodgers, orange from the Giants… right?[/quote]

    …plus the pinstripes from the Yankees.[/quote]
    That is one of the lamest things I’ve ever heard. Just another reason to hate the Mets. Seriously, that’s stupid. Come up with something original![/quote]

    I don’t even know what this means.

    Actually, the Yankees’ interlocking “NY” was taken from a police or fireman’s medal issued by the City of New York. The “Uncle Sam” hat in the secondary logo was taken from a WWI-era U.S. Army recruiting poster. Most meaningful uniform elements are derivative of something or other; I can’t fathom why anyone would find this offensive, let alone a “reason to hate” anyone or anything.

  • Johnny O | October 15, 2007 at 3:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”156959″]The reason why the Titans uniforms looked collegiate was that original owner Harry Weismer was a huge Notre Dame fan…and he modeled the uniform a lot like Notre Dame’s.

    I’m at work but this evening I’ll get the reference.[/quote]
    This is the exact same reason the Packers wore Navy and gold early in their existence. It’s because Curly Lambeau had a ton of respect for his old ball coach at Notre Dame (Some guy named Knute Rockne). So he chose his alma mater’s colors from Notre Dame.

    The Packers stay at St. Norbert College every year for training camp (or have been for a very long time) and the rumor around the campus while I was there for 4 years is that the Pack switched to green and gold to honor St. Norbert and their colors. I have no idea if that is true. I would highly doubt it though. Anyone know exactly why they switched from navy gold to green and gold for sure?

  • LunchBox | October 15, 2007 at 3:35 pm |

    Re: Last Night’s Rockies vs Diamondbacks game

    I’m not quite sure, but it looks like Todd Helton’s undershirt was backwards. Looking at the photos I grabbed here, here and here, the MLB logo appears to be at the top of the undershirt right below the collar. You’d normally see this on the back like this or a jersey like this.

    Or am I just losing my mind?

  • Johnny O | October 15, 2007 at 3:36 pm |

    I don’t know if it has been mentioned before, but I know a while back it was mentioned that Dwyane Wade’s line of nike clothing will be coming to Marquette either this year or in the near future. Have any pictures of the jerseys been posted on here? I found some today while browsing around, but they appear to be the throwback style that they wore un-tucked and had “Marquette” near the bottom of the jersey. Are these legit?

    Blue jersey
    white jersey

  • Ben | October 15, 2007 at 3:39 pm |

    Dusty Baker wore a Reds jersey with the number, “08” on it at his press conference today.

  • Graf Zeppelin | October 15, 2007 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”156964″][quote comment=”156908″][quote comment=”156898″][quote comment=”156896″][quote comment=”156890″][quote]Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]

    Anyone care to share with an uninformed person?

    I’ve never heard the story before.[/quote]

    Blue from the Dodgers, orange from the Giants… right?[/quote]

    …plus the pinstripes from the Yankees.[/quote]
    That is one of the lamest things I’ve ever heard. Just another reason to hate the Mets. Seriously, that’s stupid. Come up with something original![/quote]

    I don’t even know what this means.

    Actually, the Yankees’ interlocking “NY” was taken from a police or fireman’s medal issued by the City of New York. The “Uncle Sam” hat in the secondary logo was taken from a WWI-era U.S. Army recruiting poster. Most meaningful uniform elements are derivative of something or other; I can’t fathom why anyone would find this offensive, let alone a “reason to hate” anyone or anything.[/quote]

    In addition, the Mets were actually the first MLB team to use royal blue and orange as a color scheme. At the time, the only pro team with those colors was the Knicks.

    That counts as “original,” doesn’t it?

  • Hama | October 15, 2007 at 3:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”156936″][quote comment=”156930″]As far as branding of the helmets in the NHL with the team logos for every team. It wouldn’t be an issue if everyone had the same type of headgear, but when you have upwards of about 10-15 styles of helmets being worn – it can be pretty difficult. It’s not like football where pretty much every piece of headgear is round and is a solid shell. Hockey helmets have way too many parts and nooks and crannies to stick a massive decal on the lid.[/quote]

    I still don’t understand what you guys are talking about here. All of the NHL teams do have their logo, or wordmark on their helmets.[/quote]

    Paul threw out the idea the other day of doing up hockey helmets up like football helmets, where you have a large team logo on it with striping, etc.

  • My name is not Earl | October 15, 2007 at 4:00 pm |

    Just wondering . . . do the NFL’s rules about sideline apparel prevent a coach from wearing, say, a cowboy hat (like Bum Phillips) or a fedora (like Landry or Lombardi)? Can coaches only wear team-issued ball caps or visors?

  • joe | October 15, 2007 at 4:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”156970″]Dusty Baker wore a Reds jersey with the number, “08” on it at his press conference today.[/quote]
    08 is a reference to the total number of games that young players will get into with him as the manager, either that oe its the most wins they will get in any month under him.

  • Joe Drennan | October 15, 2007 at 4:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”156973″][quote comment=”156936″][quote comment=”156930″]As far as branding of the helmets in the NHL with the team logos for every team. It wouldn’t be an issue if everyone had the same type of headgear, but when you have upwards of about 10-15 styles of helmets being worn – it can be pretty difficult. It’s not like football where pretty much every piece of headgear is round and is a solid shell. Hockey helmets have way too many parts and nooks and crannies to stick a massive decal on the lid.[/quote]

    I still don’t understand what you guys are talking about here. All of the NHL teams do have their logo, or wordmark on their helmets.[/quote]

    Paul threw out the idea the other day of doing up hockey helmets up like football helmets, where you have a large team logo on it with striping, etc.[/quote]
    This makes more senes to me, especialy when you think of the Jofo helmet Selne wore, forcing the logo sticker to be seriously askew. Same goes for the Gretzky style Jofa whose warning sticker actualy read, “not for use in ice hockey,” as it was a broom ball helmet.

  • ALK | October 15, 2007 at 4:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”156944″][quote comment=”156913″]
    Are you sure it isn’t some kind of “composite” or “collage” (obviously no photo shop back then). Mays’ hat shadow falls on his right chest/shoulder and Killebrews on his left chest/shoulder. During the day you should only have one light source.[/quote]

    I had to go back and look at it again and it does look strange, but I don’t think it’s any kind of composite. Here is my interpretation:
    The sun is directly in front of them and pretty high in the sky (but not directly over head). The shadow is of their hat brims and is cast straight down toward their chins, however since their bodies are turned, the shadow continues down and back toward their back shoulder (HK’s left shoulder and WM’s right). Also consider the fact that their heads are turned in toward each other (toward those back shoulders).
    Finally you should also consider the fact that there are other pics out there of this exact gathering from other angles.[/quote]

    That seems right (the other photo definately clinches it). I now remember a “Mythbusters” type episode where they created all sorts of weird shadows w/ a single light source (in response to moon landing hoax claims). The card just looked odd – like old movie special effects w/ the fake background.

  • ThresherK | October 15, 2007 at 4:03 pm |

    If you lust after Art Deco, you have to go to the Cooper Hewitt. It’s one of the things they do often, and well. Really, just go there anyway–I’ve never been disappointed on a visit.

    Also recommended in Manhattan is the Society of Illustrators.

  • dm00n | October 15, 2007 at 4:11 pm |

    On October 20, the Philadelphia Phantoms (known for their horrendous uniform) will have a “Flyers Flashback Night” for the 40th anniversary of the Spectrum.

    The team will be wearing replica jerseys patterned after the 1967-68 Flyers club, and four alumni involved in that first game – players Bernie Parent, Gary Dornhoefer, and Joe Watson and team publicist Joe Kadlec – will be on hand for a pregame puck drop.

  • Perry | October 15, 2007 at 4:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”156852″][quote comment=”156847″]
    About the sleeves: I have noticed some Red Sox players wearing blue sleeves under the uniform again. Late this season. So maybe they’re making a comeback.[/quote]

    I know Jon Lester wears black, and I’m pretty sure Mike Timlin ditched his camo for the black as well. Glad to see blue making a comeback though.[/quote]

    It’s a rule that all players on a team have the same color sleeves. Not sure it’s enforced well, but it is a rule.

  • Andrew | October 15, 2007 at 4:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”156785″]Since the NFL fines players for having their jerseys untucked, can’t the NHL do something about Jaromir Jagr, who keeps wearing his jersey tucked in? Looks like crap.

    Paul, I bet they can fine him for wearing Nike branded pants however. Note that the Nike logo has been colored in, perhaps, only for the reason that he wears his jersey tucked in as it wouldn’t be exposed with the jersey over it.[/quote]

    You can wear whatever equipment you want to it doesnt matter what company it is. But as somebody said, he probably coloured in the Nike because he is sponsored by RBK, so he uses what hes comfortable with most liekly

  • subway | October 15, 2007 at 4:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”156908″][quote comment=”156898″][quote comment=”156896″][quote comment=”156890″][quote]Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]

    Anyone care to share with an uninformed person?

    I’ve never heard the story before.[/quote]

    Blue from the Dodgers, orange from the Giants… right?[/quote]

    …plus the pinstripes from the Yankees.[/quote]
    That is one of the lamest things I’ve ever heard. Just another reason to hate the Mets. Seriously, that’s stupid. Come up with something original![/quote]
    Is there something else someone did over 45 years ago that you still hold a grudge over?
    You’re ridiculous.

  • Perry | October 15, 2007 at 4:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”156887″][quote comment=”156877″]Who wouldn’t wear a ski cap for some Denver baseball in October? :) Just think how cold and possibly snowy it will be by the time the Red Sox or Indians arrive.[/quote]
    You’ve just made the case for some DAY GAMES! Denver’s got highs in the ’50’s and 60’s for the next 10 days, with lows in the ’40s. How about some 4PM Mountain time starts…6 PM on the East Coast?[/quote]

    Not a bad idea — It’s quite pleasant baseball weather here in Boulder right now, with sunny clear skies, but the second the sun goes down the temp is going to drop like a stone. Of course nothing can be permitted to interfere with the Red Sox prime time slot.

  • Matt | October 15, 2007 at 4:39 pm |

    It’d be neat to see the Packers switch all the forest green in their uniform to navy blue for one game each season.

  • Perry | October 15, 2007 at 4:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”156908″][quote comment=”156898″][quote comment=”156896″][quote comment=”156890″][quote]Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]

    Anyone care to share with an uninformed person?

    I’ve never heard the story before.[/quote]

    Blue from the Dodgers, orange from the Giants… right?[/quote]

    …plus the pinstripes from the Yankees.[/quote]
    That is one of the lamest things I’ve ever heard. Just another reason to hate the Mets. Seriously, that’s stupid. Come up with something original![/quote]

    I’m far from being a Mets fan, but what’s wrong with the new NL team in town taking colors from the two beloved (if ill-supported in the end) NL teams that moved away 5 years earlier? I think it’s perfect, honoring the old in creating the new. (Never heard the part about taking the Yanks’ pinstripes, though — that doesn’t seem appropriate.)

  • Joe from WV | October 15, 2007 at 4:52 pm |

    Speaking of both the Mets and different colored undershirts, I never understood how David Wright got away with wearing orange sleeves all year.

  • Marty Met | October 15, 2007 at 4:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”156898″][quote comment=”156896″][quote comment=”156890″][quote]Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]

    Anyone care to share with an uninformed person?

    I’ve never heard the story before.[/quote]

    Blue from the Dodgers, orange from the Giants… right?[/quote]

    …plus the pinstripes from the Yankees.[/quote]

    The pinstripes NEVER EVER had ANYTHING to do with the Yankees.

  • Marty Met | October 15, 2007 at 4:57 pm |

    [quote (Never heard the part about taking the Yanks’ pinstripes, though — that doesn’t seem appropriate.)[/quote]

    That’s because it’s BS. Someone just decided to make that up today. Pinstripes have been part of baseball uniforms for decades and infact the Yankees were NOT the first to do so. The Mets only wanted to honor the Dodgers and the Giants because most of their fan base were either Dodger or Giant fans. There was never any thought or desire to pay tribute to the Yankees.

  • possum | October 15, 2007 at 5:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”156988″][quote comment=”156908″][quote comment=”156898″][quote comment=”156896″][quote comment=”156890″][quote]Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]

    Anyone care to share with an uninformed person?

    I’ve never heard the story before.[/quote]

    Blue from the Dodgers, orange from the Giants… right?[/quote]

    …plus the pinstripes from the Yankees.[/quote]
    That is one of the lamest things I’ve ever heard. Just another reason to hate the Mets. Seriously, that’s stupid. Come up with something original![/quote]

    I’m far from being a Mets fan, but what’s wrong with the new NL team in town taking colors from the two beloved (if ill-supported in the end) NL teams that moved away 5 years earlier? I think it’s perfect, honoring the old in creating the new. (Never heard the part about taking the Yanks’ pinstripes, though — that doesn’t seem appropriate.)[/quote]
    Not just replying to you here, Perry. In 1962 were there not enough unused ideas in the majors to use? Did they need to swipe 3 teams’ designs (from their city no less)? It seems like a rip off and a cop out. The Astros came up with a sweet shooting star logo back then, not to mention the .45s. The Twins used a very original logo and design (hand shakers). Also the Expos, Royals (classy KC crown), Padres (swinging Friar), Orioles (swinging Obird), and Angels (winged ball w/ haloed LA) are all great examples. Sure, the logos are now outdated, but they were indicative of the times and showed some creativity.

  • diz | October 15, 2007 at 5:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”156764″]For a while, there was some rugby team in London (the Harlequins?) who numbered their players A-M instead of 1-15.[/quote]

    It was Leicester (and Bristol) who famously used to wear lettered jerseys. iirc Leicester still use lettered shorts, since all the English teams have gone numeric (for the money?)

  • possum | October 15, 2007 at 5:12 pm |

    I left off the Brewers Barrel Man logo, too.

    Its no wonder that Arizona, Colorado, Tampa, etc, have crappy uniforms/color schemes…there were much fewer options in the late 20th century. In the 60s, though, someone should have been able to come up with something better than what the Mets did.

  • Paul Lukas | October 15, 2007 at 5:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”156988″]what’s wrong with the new NL team in town taking colors from the two beloved (if ill-supported in the end) NL teams that moved away 5 years earlier? I think it’s perfect, honoring the old in creating the new. (Never heard the part about taking the Yanks’ pinstripes, though — that doesn’t seem appropriate.)[/quote]

    The reason you’ve never heard of the Yankees part before is that it isn’t true. That factoid has been tossed around for years in forums like this one, but it is simply NOT accurate. The pinstripes were chosen simply because team ownership liked the look of pinstripes (which were worn then, as now, by several other teams besides the Yankees). The colors were chosen as very specific nods to the city’s two departed National League teams, and that’s the only part of the uniform that was intended as a tribute.

  • John | October 15, 2007 at 5:46 pm |

    Montreal’s flag.

  • jere | October 15, 2007 at 5:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”156986″][quote comment=”156887″][quote comment=”156877″]Who wouldn’t wear a ski cap for some Denver baseball in October? :) Just think how cold and possibly snowy it will be by the time the Red Sox or Indians arrive.[/quote]
    You’ve just made the case for some DAY GAMES! Denver’s got highs in the ’50’s and 60’s for the next 10 days, with lows in the ’40s. How about some 4PM Mountain time starts…6 PM on the East Coast?[/quote]

    Not a bad idea — It’s quite pleasant baseball weather here in Boulder right now, with sunny clear skies, but the second the sun goes down the temp is going to drop like a stone. Of course nothing can be permitted to interfere with the Red Sox prime time slot.[/quote]

    How could you ever say that? Are you just making it up, hoping all the people taught by the media to hate the Red Sox will back you up without even checking? The ALDS just happened, both the Red Sox and Yanks were in it. ALL FIVE Yankee games were in the perfect slot: between 5:00 and 6:30. No work missed, no sleep missed for Yankee fans. So, us vs. them, they get the good spots for the millionth straight year.

    As for the AL and NLCS, well, you’ve got one series in the mountain and west time zones, and the other in the central and eastern. So you’re gonna get games close to prime time wherever you are. 10 PM games are 7 PM games in the west.

    Let me guess, you won’t admit you’re completely wrong about this?

  • David | October 15, 2007 at 5:49 pm |

    In my opinion, the new Chargers alts look much better than last year’s. I love the deeper color of blue, and the blue outlining of the lightning bolt on the shoulder (along with the one on the extra blue panel, which I also like) and on the front number. B-E-A-UTIFUL.

  • Graf Zeppelin | October 15, 2007 at 6:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”156993″][quote comment=”156988″][quote comment=”156908″][quote comment=”156898″][quote comment=”156896″][quote comment=”156890″][quote]Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]

    Anyone care to share with an uninformed person?

    I’ve never heard the story before.[/quote]

    Blue from the Dodgers, orange from the Giants… right?[/quote]

    …plus the pinstripes from the Yankees.[/quote]
    That is one of the lamest things I’ve ever heard. Just another reason to hate the Mets. Seriously, that’s stupid. Come up with something original![/quote]

    I’m far from being a Mets fan, but what’s wrong with the new NL team in town taking colors from the two beloved (if ill-supported in the end) NL teams that moved away 5 years earlier? I think it’s perfect, honoring the old in creating the new. (Never heard the part about taking the Yanks’ pinstripes, though — that doesn’t seem appropriate.)[/quote]
    Not just replying to you here, Perry. In 1962 were there not enough unused ideas in the majors to use? Did they need to swipe 3 teams’ designs (from their city no less)? It seems like a rip off and a cop out. The Astros came up with a sweet shooting star logo back then, not to mention the .45s. The Twins used a very original logo and design (hand shakers). Also the Expos, Royals (classy KC crown), Padres (swinging Friar), Orioles (swinging Obird), and Angels (winged ball w/ haloed LA) are all great examples. Sure, the logos are now outdated, but they were indicative of the times and showed some creativity.[/quote]

    The only thing they “swiped,” really, was the Giants’ curlicue “NY” logo, and the Dodgers’ use of royal blue as a primary color. That’s all. The home jersey’s “Mets” script did not resemble the Dodgers’ (which had no color outline and a tail underneath) nor the Giants’ (block letters). The road jersey’s “NEW YORK” did resemble that worn by the Giants prior to 1943, although from 1943 on the Giants’ “NEW YORK” was vertically-arched rather than radially-arched. The circular Mets’ “skyline” logo was new as well, and didn’t resemble anything the Dodgers or Giants had used; it’s analogous to several of the primary logos you mentioned (Twins’ hand-shakers, Royals’ crown, Padres’ friar).

    It may not be the best design ever, but the 1962 Mets uniform is hardly “unoriginal.” It didn’t resemble the Giants or Dodgers any more than the Nationals’ uniform resembles that of the Senators; the only real constant being the cap logo.

  • Don | October 15, 2007 at 6:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”156991″][quote comment=”156898″][quote comment=”156896″][quote comment=”156890″][quote]Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]

    Anyone care to share with an uninformed person?

    I’ve never heard the story before.[/quote]

    Blue from the Dodgers, orange from the Giants… right?[/quote]

    …plus the pinstripes from the Yankees.[/quote]

    The pinstripes NEVER EVER had ANYTHING to do with the Yankees.[/quote]
    If you look at the link on the side of this site “New York Mets Uniform History” it says
    “Design Description: Original design combines aspects of the uniforms of the New York Yankees, Brooklyn Dodgers and New York Giants. White button-down jersey with royal blue pinstripes (pinstripes based on the Yankees)”

  • Johnny O | October 15, 2007 at 6:20 pm |

    If anyone watched PTI today, for a quick second they showed Portis on the bench and it looked like he indeed had a polo shirt under his uni. I was at work, so there was no DVR for me to pause and take a picture. So if anyone recorded it, we may be able to get some photo evidence.

  • Graf Zeppelin | October 15, 2007 at 6:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”156993″][quote comment=”156988″][quote comment=”156908″][quote comment=”156898″][quote comment=”156896″][quote comment=”156890″][quote]Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]

    Anyone care to share with an uninformed person?

    I’ve never heard the story before.[/quote]

    Blue from the Dodgers, orange from the Giants… right?[/quote]

    …plus the pinstripes from the Yankees.[/quote]
    That is one of the lamest things I’ve ever heard. Just another reason to hate the Mets. Seriously, that’s stupid. Come up with something original![/quote]

    I’m far from being a Mets fan, but what’s wrong with the new NL team in town taking colors from the two beloved (if ill-supported in the end) NL teams that moved away 5 years earlier? I think it’s perfect, honoring the old in creating the new. (Never heard the part about taking the Yanks’ pinstripes, though — that doesn’t seem appropriate.)[/quote]
    Not just replying to you here, Perry. In 1962 were there not enough unused ideas in the majors to use? Did they need to swipe 3 teams’ designs (from their city no less)? It seems like a rip off and a cop out. The Astros came up with a sweet shooting star logo back then, not to mention the .45s. The Twins used a very original logo and design (hand shakers). Also the Expos, Royals (classy KC crown), Padres (swinging Friar), Orioles (swinging Obird), and Angels (winged ball w/ haloed LA) are all great examples. Sure, the logos are now outdated, but they were indicative of the times and showed some creativity.[/quote]

    I must stand corrected: It appears the Giants wore blue and orange in the early 1940’s. Check out the 1941 version; the button-down road jersey looks very familiar.

  • Frankie | October 15, 2007 at 6:37 pm |

    Santana Moss definitely appeared to be wearing a collared shirt yesterday. I think that it may have actually been a regular mock turtleneck that he may have slit in the middle. Either way he looked as bad as he played yesterday.

    Similar to what Kenny Lofton does.

  • Gazzoo | October 15, 2007 at 6:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”157005″]…Are you sure it isn’t some kind of “composite” or “collage” (obviously no photo shop back then). Mays’ hat shadow falls on his right chest/shoulder and Killebrews on his left chest/shoulder. During the day you should only have one light source.[/quote]

    um…unless someone was using a flash. Geez.

  • derek | October 15, 2007 at 7:11 pm |

    can someone help me please!!!. i want to know how to desing a concept jersey once you have the template. Your help would be GREATLY appreciated

  • derek | October 15, 2007 at 7:13 pm |

    design*

  • Jonee | October 15, 2007 at 7:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”157009″][quote comment=”156993″][quote comment=”156988″][quote comment=”156908″][quote comment=”156898″][quote comment=”156896″][quote comment=”156890″][quote]Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]

    Anyone care to share with an uninformed person?

    I’ve never heard the story before.[/quote]

    Blue from the Dodgers, orange from the Giants… right?[/quote]

    …plus the pinstripes from the Yankees.[/quote]
    That is one of the lamest things I’ve ever heard. Just another reason to hate the Mets. Seriously, that’s stupid. Come up with something original![/quote]

    I’m far from being a Mets fan, but what’s wrong with the new NL team in town taking colors from the two beloved (if ill-supported in the end) NL teams that moved away 5 years earlier? I think it’s perfect, honoring the old in creating the new. (Never heard the part about taking the Yanks’ pinstripes, though — that doesn’t seem appropriate.)[/quote]
    Not just replying to you here, Perry. In 1962 were there not enough unused ideas in the majors to use? Did they need to swipe 3 teams’ designs (from their city no less)? It seems like a rip off and a cop out. The Astros came up with a sweet shooting star logo back then, not to mention the .45s. The Twins used a very original logo and design (hand shakers). Also the Expos, Royals (classy KC crown), Padres (swinging Friar), Orioles (swinging Obird), and Angels (winged ball w/ haloed LA) are all great examples. Sure, the logos are now outdated, but they were indicative of the times and showed some creativity.[/quote]

    I must stand corrected: It appears the Giants wore blue and orange in the early 1940’s. Check out the 1941 version; the button-down road jersey looks very familiar.[/quote]

    I might be wrong, but that could be red, not orange.

  • Chad G | October 15, 2007 at 7:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”157009″]
    I must stand corrected: It appears the Giants wore blue and orange in the early 1940’s. Check out the 1941 version; the button-down road jersey looks very familiar.[/quote]

    Graf, that may look like orange, but trust me it’s red. I believe (could be wrong though) the Giants went to those colors to be patriotic. In 1947 they went back to the black and orange which they had previously abandoned in 1936

  • jjwasz | October 15, 2007 at 7:33 pm |

    Is it me or is Mike Lowell’s B insignia on his helmet off center?

  • doogie | October 15, 2007 at 7:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”156832″]What is up with the swoosh socks that Michigan State is wearing? Or are those some sort of undershorts?

    Meanwhile, the goalie is mixing it up.[/quote]

    WOW thanks for posting that pic. Lerg’s blocker is actualy a ccm/heaton, same with his glove. looks like RBK did a good job of “rebranding” as those gloves are nothing like what they usually sell.

    p.s. those are the regular socks for MSU, i saw Michigan wearing them as well

  • Dan King | October 15, 2007 at 7:57 pm |

    watching the indians vs red sox and i swear if i hear the commentator say Dice-K Matsuzaka (spelling?) one more time i’m gonna go nuts.

  • Graf Zeppelin | October 15, 2007 at 8:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”157020″][quote comment=”157009″]
    I must stand corrected: It appears the Giants wore blue and orange in the early 1940’s. Check out the 1941 version; the button-down road jersey looks very familiar.[/quote]

    Graf, that may look like orange, but trust me it’s red. I believe (could be wrong though) the Giants went to those colors to be patriotic. In 1947 they went back to the black and orange which they had previously abandoned in 1936[/quote]

    I stand corrected again. I probably should have known that, since I’d never seen nor heard of the Giants in blue and orange before, but the images there appear to have been pasted over the ones in the original Okkonen book (which I will check later tonight when I have access to it). That plus the fact that I was looking for similarity with the Mets probably threw me.

  • Skycat | October 15, 2007 at 8:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”156971″][quote comment=”156964″][quote comment=”156908″][quote comment=”156898″][quote comment=”156896″][quote comment=”156890″][quote]Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]

    Anyone care to share with an uninformed person?

    I’ve never heard the story before.[/quote]

    Blue from the Dodgers, orange from the Giants… right?[/quote]

    …plus the pinstripes from the Yankees.[/quote]
    That is one of the lamest things I’ve ever heard. Just another reason to hate the Mets. Seriously, that’s stupid. Come up with something original![/quote]

    I don’t even know what this means.

    Actually, the Yankees’ interlocking “NY” was taken from a police or fireman’s medal issued by the City of New York. The “Uncle Sam” hat in the secondary logo was taken from a WWI-era U.S. Army recruiting poster. Most meaningful uniform elements are derivative of something or other; I can’t fathom why anyone would find this offensive, let alone a “reason to hate” anyone or anything.[/quote]

    In addition, the Mets were actually the first MLB team to use royal blue and orange as a color scheme. At the time, the only pro team with those colors was the Knicks.

    That counts as “original,” doesn’t it?[/quote]

    By the way, according to the Knicks’ website, the official colors of New York City are blue, orange and white.

    http://www.nba.com/k...

  • T.O. | October 15, 2007 at 8:16 pm |

    don’t know why, but i have a nagging suspicion that the teamname “goats” has to be a cheapshot against the cubs.

  • bibliogrrl | October 15, 2007 at 8:23 pm |

    http://www.chipublib...

    FIRST POST HERE. woo!

    A couple of people have pointed out above that each star on the Chicago flag represents an important event in Chicago history… but also, each POINT on each star represents something, the blue lines represent the Lake Michigan/North Branch of the Chicago River and the South Branch of the River and the Great Canal.

    the amount of Chicago history crammed into our flag is insane and really awesome.

    IMO our flag is way cooler than DC’s.

  • Mike | October 15, 2007 at 8:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”157006″][quote comment=”156991″][quote comment=”156898″][quote comment=”156896″][quote comment=”156890″][quote]Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]

    Anyone care to share with an uninformed person?

    I’ve never heard the story before.[/quote]

    Blue from the Dodgers, orange from the Giants… right?[/quote]

    …plus the pinstripes from the Yankees.[/quote]

    The pinstripes NEVER EVER had ANYTHING to do with the Yankees.[/quote]
    If you look at the link on the side of this site “New York Mets Uniform History” it says
    “Design Description: Original design combines aspects of the uniforms of the New York Yankees, Brooklyn Dodgers and New York Giants. White button-down jersey with royal blue pinstripes (pinstripes based on the Yankees)”[/quote]
    I have no idea or opinion on this issue, but that Met history site is not-affiliated with the team at all and is just written by some regular guy, so its accuracy can be taken with a grain of salt.

  • Michael Emody | October 15, 2007 at 8:52 pm |

    Regarding the Kilabrew, Mays, Mantle pic – another thing pointing to 1964 is the Indians player behind them. He’s wearing a dark blue hat. The Indians switched to red caps in 65.

  • possum | October 15, 2007 at 9:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”157004″][quote comment=”156993″][quote comment=”156988″][quote comment=”156908″][quote comment=”156898″][quote comment=”156896″][quote comment=”156890″][quote]Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]

    Anyone care to share with an uninformed person?

    I’ve never heard the story before.[/quote]

    Blue from the Dodgers, orange from the Giants… right?[/quote]

    …plus the pinstripes from the Yankees.[/quote]
    That is one of the lamest things I’ve ever heard. Just another reason to hate the Mets. Seriously, that’s stupid. Come up with something original![/quote]

    I’m far from being a Mets fan, but what’s wrong with the new NL team in town taking colors from the two beloved (if ill-supported in the end) NL teams that moved away 5 years earlier? I think it’s perfect, honoring the old in creating the new. (Never heard the part about taking the Yanks’ pinstripes, though — that doesn’t seem appropriate.)[/quote]
    Not just replying to you here, Perry. In 1962 were there not enough unused ideas in the majors to use? Did they need to swipe 3 teams’ designs (from their city no less)? It seems like a rip off and a cop out. The Astros came up with a sweet shooting star logo back then, not to mention the .45s. The Twins used a very original logo and design (hand shakers). Also the Expos, Royals (classy KC crown), Padres (swinging Friar), Orioles (swinging Obird), and Angels (winged ball w/ haloed LA) are all great examples. Sure, the logos are now outdated, but they were indicative of the times and showed some creativity.[/quote]

    The only thing they “swiped,” really, was the Giants’ curlicue “NY” logo, and the Dodgers’ use of royal blue as a primary color. That’s all. The home jersey’s “Mets” script did not resemble the Dodgers’ (which had no color outline and a tail underneath) nor the Giants’ (block letters). The road jersey’s “NEW YORK” did resemble that worn by the Giants prior to 1943, although from 1943 on the Giants’ “NEW YORK” was vertically-arched rather than radially-arched. The circular Mets’ “skyline” logo was new as well, and didn’t resemble anything the Dodgers or Giants had used; it’s analogous to several of the primary logos you mentioned (Twins’ hand-shakers, Royals’ crown, Padres’ friar).

    It may not be the best design ever, but the 1962 Mets uniform is hardly “unoriginal.” It didn’t resemble the Giants or Dodgers any more than the Nationals’ uniform resembles that of the Senators; the only real constant being the cap logo.[/quote]
    In the words of the great Ron Burgundy, agree to disagree. :)

  • Pete | October 15, 2007 at 9:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”156853″]Did anyone else happen to note that in yesterday’s (NFL week 6) game between the Jacksonville Jaguars and the Houston Texans, the Jags were in black pants with white jerseys, and the Texans were in white pants with black jerseys. Both teams wear black helmets. For a minute there, I thought I was watching a b/w broadcast.[/quote]

    The Texans wear navy blue helmets, and their jerseys yesterday were navy blue with red shoulder stripes.

    Perhaps you should adjust the color on your television set.

  • Bill T. | October 15, 2007 at 9:44 pm |

    I’m watching the Sabres-Leafs game now and the Sabres unis look more ridiculous than the MLB’s Turn the Clock Ahead uniforms from years ago.

    Sad thing is, is that MLB acknowledged them as a temporary gimmick/promotion and that the NHL is passing their dumb uniforms off as their look of the future.

  • Ryan B | October 15, 2007 at 9:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”157024″]watching the indians vs red sox and i swear if i hear the commentator say Dice-K Matsuzaka (spelling?) one more time i’m gonna go nuts.[/quote]

    That is how Daisuke’s name is pronounced, you know.

  • Pete | October 15, 2007 at 9:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”156841″][quote comment=”156792″]Round 3 is up of the NFL Uniform Tournament. I don’t want to spam uni-watch, but I put up this round last Friday and I’ve only had two votes! However, I know at least some people here enjoy it.[/quote]
    Is it just me or does the Steelers pants on thew home uniform not look Steelers Gold[/quote]

    Well, yes and no. Looks like the Steelers have switched fabrics on their pants from old-style polyester knit, which has a flat look but maintains truer color, to spandex, which is shinier but has washed-out color from certain angles. So the pants are still officially the same “Steeler Gold,” but it doesn’t always look that way, depending on the lighting.

    It’s an issue that has frustrated me for 25 years with the Cowboys. Darned new-fangled, high-techs fabrics! (He said as he shook his fist.)

  • Orange and Blue | October 15, 2007 at 10:26 pm |

    I know a number of people have already addressed “possum’s” uninformed comment at posting #103 already, but I need to add my two cents…It is pretty obvious that possum has no clue about the history of National League baseball in New York City. The Mets were created in 1962 after the loss of the Brooklyn Dodgers and New York Giants in 1957. In short, the Mets were created to fill the void of National League New York baseball fans. Thus, the combination of Dodger blue and Giants orange (plus the Giants’ “NY” logo) was a most appropriate choice for the Mets uniform.

  • =bg= | October 15, 2007 at 10:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”156905″][quote comment=”156886″]Please excuse me if I missed a conversation on this earlier, but did anyone else notice that Bill Belichick was wearing a polo shirt on the sideline yesterday ?

    Instead of the “I’m a bum” ragged sweatshirt look, he was rocking the “I’m a coach in the NFL” look.

    Is there a story here ?

    Very weird.[/quote]

    Belichik usually only wears the sweatshirt in cold weather. The rest of the games he goes with the polo, as you saw yesterday, or a pullover.

    Sure, the sweatshirt is ugly but I think it’s completely imbecile to make a big deal out of it. For ESPN to make a fluff piece about it yesterday, to me, was completely unnecessary. “Oh did you know, he cuts the sleeves off himself!” Big friggin deal.

    The only reason it has become iconic is that he wears it during cold weather games and cold weather games are during the months of December and January. (He wore it during the Super Bowl in Jacksonville one year, but I remember hearing about what a cold day it was in Jacksonville that day so that’s not even an aberration, just proof.) Those are high profile games where he and the Patriots are very visible.

    It’s not superstition, he’s not making a statement. He’s just cold. He said he cuts the sleeves off because he likes the loose feeling.

    I’m sorry, but am I the only one that gets kind of mad that people keep making dumb jokes (not on here, but ESPN, SI, etc.) about the sweatshirt?

    I’m not attacking whoever wrote this comment, or anyone else on here, just venting a little bit.[/quote]

    http://proshopcache....

    http://belichickhood...

  • Derek | October 15, 2007 at 11:08 pm |

    Pretty sure this has been posted before but did anyone notice some of the Falcons players right sleeve logos are backwards?

  • possum | October 15, 2007 at 11:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”157040″]I know a number of people have already addressed “possum’s” uninformed comment at posting #103 already, but I need to add my two cents…It is pretty obvious that possum has no clue about the history of National League baseball in New York City. The Mets were created in 1962 after the loss of the Brooklyn Dodgers and New York Giants in 1957. In short, the Mets were created to fill the void of National League New York baseball fans. Thus, the combination of Dodger blue and Giants orange (plus the Giants’ “NY” logo) was a most appropriate choice for the Mets uniform.[/quote]
    “possum” gets it. he just thinks its “unoriginal” and a “cop out.”

  • dw438 | October 15, 2007 at 11:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”156860″][quote comment=”156840″]Regarding the city flags, I love that the Denver flag is similar to the NHL Rockies unis, and that the NYC flag is Blue and White, like the Mets USED to be.[/quote]

    The NHL Rockies unis took their design from the Colorado state flag, so it’s not surprising to see Denver’s look like that.

    As for the NYC flags… the one on that site is red, white, and blue, which is obviously not the Mets’ colors. But this picture is kind of interesting. Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]
    The official NYC flag [which of course predates the Mets] happens to be the same colors as the Mets – orange, white, blue. The Knicks have the same basic color scheme. The colors come from the original Knickerbockers — the Dutch.

  • dw438 | October 15, 2007 at 11:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”157049″][quote comment=”156860″][quote comment=”156840″]Regarding the city flags, I love that the Denver flag is similar to the NHL Rockies unis, and that the NYC flag is Blue and White, like the Mets USED to be.[/quote]

    The NHL Rockies unis took their design from the Colorado state flag, so it’s not surprising to see Denver’s look like that.

    As for the NYC flags… the one on that site is red, white, and blue, which is obviously not the Mets’ colors. But this picture is kind of interesting. Plus, we all know how the Mets got their colors, and it’s not from the state/city flag.[/quote]
    The official NYC flag [which of course predates the Mets] happens to be the same colors as the Mets – orange, white, blue. The Knicks have the same basic color scheme. The colors come from the original Knickerbockers — the Dutch.

  • Graf Zeppelin | October 16, 2007 at 12:04 am |

    [quote comment=”157025″][quote comment=”157020″][quote comment=”157009″]
    I must stand corrected: It appears the Giants wore blue and orange in the early 1940’s. Check out the 1941 version; the button-down road jersey looks very familiar.[/quote]

    Graf, that may look like orange, but trust me it’s red. I believe (could be wrong though) the Giants went to those colors to be patriotic. In 1947 they went back to the black and orange which they had previously abandoned in 1936[/quote]

    I stand corrected again. I probably should have known that, since I’d never seen nor heard of the Giants in blue and orange before, but the images there appear to have been pasted over the ones in the original Okkonen book (which I will check later tonight when I have access to it). That plus the fact that I was looking for similarity with the Mets probably threw me.[/quote]

    I now have the Okkonen book and I was right; these images are quite a bit different from what appears on the “Dressed to the Nines” website. Specifically, the colors here are much darker. The 1940-46 uniforms in the book appear to have a navy blue and red color scheme, whereas the ones shown on the website show lighter colors, a royal blue and bright red scheme. The cap logo in the book appears to be white outlined in red; on the website it appears to be orange as the colors blend. There are also both button-down and zipper-front jerseys shown on the website for 1941 and 42, whereas the book shows only button-downs in 1942 and only zipper-fronts in the other years in this range.

  • dbp | October 16, 2007 at 1:46 am |

    As a Milwaukee resident, I would like to apologize for our flag. It’s simply atrocious. Thank goodness it is visible exactly nowhere in the city.
    Our state flag’s pretty awful as well – looks just like about 90% of the other ones. New Mexico, now there’s a fine flag.
    There’s a survey with all the state and provincial flags in the US and Canada here.

  • Jon in SLC | October 16, 2007 at 1:55 am |

    Sorry Paul, purple in the Series.

  • Brendan | October 16, 2007 at 2:14 am |

    More Dymo tape helmet labels (and not on who you’d expect).

  • Josh | October 16, 2007 at 2:33 am |

    In the Sunday Night Football game this week featuring the Saints and Seahawks, Matt Hasselbeck’s jersey was missing the sleeve stripes.

    Here’s a shot from the game that show’s both of Hasselbeck’s sleeves.

    Here’s what the sleeves should look like, as modeled by Shaun Alexander.

  • BCrisp | October 16, 2007 at 3:22 am |

    [quote comment=”157060″]In the Sunday Night Football game this week featuring the Saints and Seahawks, Matt Hasselbeck’s jersey was missing the sleeve stripes.

    Here’s a shot from the game that show’s both of Hasselbeck’s sleeves.

    Here’s what the sleeves should look like, as modeled by Shaun Alexander.[/quote]
    Texas A&M QB Stephen McGee does the same thing. Compare this to this.

  • Patrick | October 16, 2007 at 11:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”156838″][quote comment=”156832″]What is up with the swoosh socks that Michigan State is wearing? Or are those some sort of undershorts?

    Meanwhile, the goalie is mixing it up.[/quote]
    Jeff Lerg is still the Michigan State goalie?! I thought he graduated! So much for the rest of the CCHA this season, they’re screwed.[/quote]

    Jeff Lerg is a junior this season. That pic seems to have been taken last season as it shows they are playing Wayne State. Nowhere on their schedule for this season are they playing Wayne State.

  • Patrick | October 16, 2007 at 11:18 pm |

    My bad, that is the game from October 9 vs Windsor. The shoulder logo is similar to Wayne State http://wsuathletics....

  • MM658 | October 31, 2007 at 10:17 pm |

    The Dartmouth helmet design was the creation of thier coach in the ’60s, Bob Blackman. When he went to Illinois, he created a design that was similar to the Dartmouth design, but with the school name inside the stripes. Blackman eventually wound up at Cornell in the late ’70s, and – you guessed it – they sprouted similar stripes. IMO, the design “stuck” at Dartmouth because it was associated with an era in which the school had a ton of success.

  • Ski Man | April 30, 2008 at 9:13 pm |

    Why was Montero wearing a ski cap under his mask?