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Presidential Primaries

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When Gerald Ford died last winter, I wrote a blog entry about U.S. presidents wearing various sports uniforms. But it turns out, unsurprisingly, that there are lots of additional photos that I didn’t find. That news recently came my way from Satin Piping-level member Karen Hibbitt, who works at the National Archives, where they’re currently featuring an exhibit called “School House to the White House: The Education of the Presidents.”

As Karen explained to me, the exhibit focuses on “presidents (Hoover to present) during their school days, with LOTS of great athletic/uniform photos — and not just Ford (although we do have his Michigan varsity sweater on display).” Indeed, the exhibit’s web page includes great shots of Eisenhower playing football, baseball shots of LBJ (he’s the catcher) and George H. W. Bush, FDR posing with his high school baseball team (that’s him, back row, third from right [he was the student manager], although of course I’m more interested in the hoop-striped undersleeves), and JFK on the Harvard swim team (back row, third from left).

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Karen generously offered to send me additional photos from the exhibit, the best of which break down as follows:

Here’s Dwight Eisenhower’s Abilene High School baseball team, with Ike shown in the top row, second from the right. (Note the awesome cuff stripes on the kid sitting in the center.)

Man, I love the 1937 Harvard “second” football team‘s uniform. That’s a young JFK, then a sophomore, in the middle standing row, third from the right.

Most Poppy Bush sports photos that I’ve seen focus on his Yale baseball days (like this team portrait, showing GHWB is in the front row, far left). But Karen sent along lots of material from his days at Phillips Academy in Andover, including a soccer photo, his varsity letter award, and an all-purpose sports pass.

I knew Ronald Reagan had been a lifeguard. But I didn’t know he’d been on his college swimming team (where his hair-gel habit already appears to have been well underway).

FDR served as an usher at Harvard football games, where he wore this sash.

We’ve all seen lots of football photos of Gerald Ford. But here‘s one from his high school days that I haven’t seen before. And check this out: a recruitment letter from Curly Lambeau, who was trying to sign him for the Packers.

Big thanks to Karen for today’s content — much obliged!

Uni Watch News Ticker: Remember how the Mets were wearing their blue game caps during BP, instead of the new BP caps? Not anymore. A source with the team tells me, “We had to go back to the horrible BP hats, orders from MLB/New Era. We wore them this weekend, and will continue to for the near future.” Member Jeffrey Soderberg contributed two good screen grabs yesterday: “The first one is Felipe Lopez (Nationals) vs. Indians on Friday the 22nd with a REEEDICULOUS-sized number pendant on his necklace. He’s only hitting .236, slugging .401 for the season — not exactly bling-worthy numbers. And from the same game, what the heck is a Yankees logo doing on a seat in the visiting bullpen during an Indians/Nationals game?” Here’s how to perpetuate a bunch of really bad stereotypes: You run an article on same-sex couples adopting kids, as CNN.com did yeserday, and then pair it with this photo. Note that the kid is wearing his glove on the wrong hand. The long-awaited Israel Baseball League has finally gotten underway. You can see a bit of the uniforms here and here, and the various caps are available here. “The cleverest is the one worn by the Netanya Tigers, in which the palm of the paw is the Hebrew letter tet,” writes Eric Trager, who also notes that player names on the jerseys are printed in Hebrew. Andrew Connor points out that the p in the Capitals’ new logo is very evocative of this logo. According to a Texas A&M message board, the Aggies’ new football unis will look like this and this. The Bucks have unveiled a 40th-anniversary logo, and does that “40” look super-clunky or what? “Three years ago,” writes Tom K, “I would have never read this article on striped knit socks. But now, being a uni-watcher, I was all over it.” Great contribution from Matt Nelson, who writes: “I was at the Cedar Rapids Kernels game tonight at Veterans Memorial Stadium, where the gift shop includes the Cedar Rapids Pro Baseball Hall of Fame. Their displays include a couple of pretty old jerseys, highlighted by a 1907 Cedar Rapids Bunnies jersey.” Only one member of the Cardinals was showing his stripes last night: the batboy (with thanks to Chris Flinn, who was at the game). Last week I reported that the U. of Minnesota would be enlarging the “M” on their football helmet. It will apparently look like the one shown here.

 

188 comments to Presidential Primaries

  • Lockbull | June 26, 2007 at 8:57 am |

    Paul, it looks like the “this logo” link about the Capitals “P” is messed up….

  • Matthew H. | June 26, 2007 at 8:59 am |

    Paul:

    You need to fix the “this logo” link in the entry regarding the p in the Capitals logo.

  • Stuby | June 26, 2007 at 9:01 am |

    Kinda hard to tell from the photo but does the Minnesota ‘M’ have an outline around it? I don’t think the old M had that.

  • Herb | June 26, 2007 at 9:04 am |

    FDR didn’t contract polio until 1921, so he was able to participate in sports until he late thirties. Indeed, it would be hard for FDR to have been an usher while at Harvard if he had polio.

  • Mike | June 26, 2007 at 9:05 am |

    Two things: First, last night was the 46th Annual Congressional Baseball Game. The game was held at RFk, but I have not seen any pictures yet.

    Second, are these gloves becoming more and more popular, or do they just seem to make their way into pictures….

    http://sportsillustr...

  • harry | June 26, 2007 at 9:05 am |

    I love the salutation on Curly Lambeau’s letter

  • Robert | June 26, 2007 at 9:09 am |

    The new Aggies uniforms appear to be a nice improvement. Putting stripes on the pants alone is a major upgrade.

  • Paul Lukas | June 26, 2007 at 9:16 am |

    [quote comment=”108675″]FDR didn’t contract polio until 1921, so he was able to participate in sports until he late thirties. Indeed, it would be hard for FDR to have been an usher while at Harvard if he had polio.[/quote]

    Thanks for that info — text has been adjusted.

    Bad logo link referred to in comment Nos. 1 and 2 has also been fixed. Thanks!

  • Flip | June 26, 2007 at 9:16 am |

    Has anybody read/seen any reactions from the Dodgers and Devil Rays about how the flannel uniforms felt/wore compared to the double knit?

  • Robert | June 26, 2007 at 9:18 am |

    In recent weeks, some here have debated whether NASCAR or the team owners own the rights to the cars’ numbers. Here is how NASCAR sees it.

    http://sports.espn.g...

  • WFY | June 26, 2007 at 9:20 am |

    The Nats have folding chairs featuring all major league teams in the press box dining room and throughout RFK I believe. They have been there since the baseball returned to D.C. if not sooner.

  • Mr. Met | June 26, 2007 at 9:23 am |

    [quote comment=”108509″]PTI just had a segment on the new Hawks’ unis in “Mail Time”…I don’t have TiVo, but Wilbon said something to the extent of “They’re a joke, they’re a JOKE! They’re HIDEOUS.” Then he brought up the fact that Dominique had blue unis (did he? The only time they wore blue was 1968-1970) and blue should only be connected with ‘Nique…that MORON![/quote]

    Not quite sure what show you were watching, but Wilbon said “Dominique Wilkins, who is the Atlanta Hawks, wore the red and the white…”

    I don’t know how that makes Wilbon a moron……

  • anthony | June 26, 2007 at 9:27 am |

    [quote comment=”108676″]Two things: First, last night was the 46th Annual Congressional Baseball Game. The game was held at RFk, but I have not seen any pictures yet.

    Second, are these gloves becoming more and more popular, or do they just seem to make their way into pictures….

    http://sportsillustr...

    I’m not sure, but zI think that’s the Rawlings PROTB24. It’s a great glove and has been around for many years. I still have mine from when I played semi-pro ball in the 80’s…

  • Joemanji | June 26, 2007 at 9:28 am |

    I’m not even Jewish, but those Isreal caps look awesome.

    And that is too funny in regards to the Capitals’ “p”.

  • anthony | June 26, 2007 at 9:28 am |
  • anthony | June 26, 2007 at 9:28 am |
  • Mark in Shiga | June 26, 2007 at 9:34 am |

    “We had to go back to the horrible BP hats, orders from MLB/New Era. We wore them this weekend, and will continue to for the near future.”

    That’s pretty disgusting that Selig’s office and the manufacturer can dictate what hats the teams wear, even in batting practice. Just six short years ago the Mets were able to wear NYPD, FDNY, and EMT caps in honor of those brave workers who gave their lives. Now they can’t even wear their choice of their own team caps!?

  • Mr. Met | June 26, 2007 at 9:38 am |

    [quote comment=”108689″]“We had to go back to the horrible BP hats, orders from MLB/New Era. We wore them this weekend, and will continue to for the near future.”

    That’s pretty disgusting that Selig’s office and the manufacturer can dictate what hats the teams wear, even in batting practice. Just six short years ago the Mets were able to wear NYPD, FDNY, and EMT caps in honor of those brave workers who gave their lives. Now they can’t even wear their choice of their own team caps!?[/quote]

    I’m surprised they haven’t stepped in yet and made everyone wear the new polyester 59FIFTY caps; that will probably be the next mandate.

    Aside from Uniwatchers, though, would anyone really notice/care that a player is wearing the old wool/gray underbill cap as opposed to the new polyester/black underbill cap?

  • Wade | June 26, 2007 at 9:39 am |

    I really don’t like the outline around the numbers on Texas A&M’s new jerseys. It just seems too clunky. Hopefully they will look better in person. I also wonder how Aggie Nation feels about silver being included on the uniforms.

  • Brady | June 26, 2007 at 9:47 am |

    I also preferred the “Trap-Eze” style of the Rawlings outfiled mitts. For some reason it always felt like I could make the tough catch and still control the ball if I ran into the ground or wall. It also seems easier to pick up ground balls and make throws a lot easier as the ball wasn’t hidden deep in some oversized pocket. I think Griffey Jr. was one of the first I ever saw using one….

  • DJ | June 26, 2007 at 9:52 am |

    That’s pretty disgusting that Selig’s office and the manufacturer can dictate what hats the teams wear, even in batting practice.

    It’s almost certainly in the contract between MLB and New Era.

  • bj in gainesville | June 26, 2007 at 9:56 am |

    paul,
    correct me if I’m wrong, but is JFK actually 3 from the RIGHT in the Harvard second team pic?

  • Mark in Shiga | June 26, 2007 at 9:57 am |

    [quote comment=”108693″]That’s pretty disgusting that Selig’s office and the manufacturer can dictate what hats the teams wear, even in batting practice.

    It’s almost certainly in the contract between MLB and New Era.[/quote]

    The problem is that the Mets (and all the individual teams) probably didn’t get much of a chance to incorporate their wishes into this contract. Do any of the teams actually prefer these silly new BP caps over their real ones?

    It seems like ever since Selig became commissioner, the individual teams and leagues (remember the offices of the league presidents?) are having their autonomy taken away a little bit each year.

  • Elena E | June 26, 2007 at 9:59 am |

    Nope, JFK is 3rd from left.
    Loooooove the Cedar Rapids Bunnies jersey.
    FLopez needs to get rid of that humongous number pendant before someone gets hurt.

  • Joe Wagner | June 26, 2007 at 10:04 am |

    I also preferred the “Trap-Eze” style of the Rawlings outfiled mitts.

    Mizuno also makes a similar basket. You can see it on the GMP7 and GCP51.

    http://battersboxonl...

    http://www.ballglove...

  • HTerry | June 26, 2007 at 10:04 am |

    I think JFK is 3rd from the right – compare the swim team photo.

  • Mr. Met | June 26, 2007 at 10:06 am |

    [quote comment=”108698″][quote comment=”108693″]That’s pretty disgusting that Selig’s office and the manufacturer can dictate what hats the teams wear, even in batting practice.

    It’s almost certainly in the contract between MLB and New Era.[/quote]

    The problem is that the Mets (and all the individual teams) probably didn’t get much of a chance to incorporate their wishes into this contract. Do any of the teams actually prefer these silly new BP caps over their real ones?

    It seems like ever since Selig became commissioner, the individual teams and leagues (remember the offices of the league presidents?) are having their autonomy taken away a little bit each year.[/quote]

    On the other hand, why shouldn’t MLB dictate to the teams what they can wear on the field? Maybe if they did that, we would get to see more stirrups and less pajama pants, more streamlined unis and less baggy parachute Manny Ramirez-like duds……

  • Shaftman | June 26, 2007 at 10:09 am |

    [quote comment=”108703″][quote comment=”108698″][quote comment=”108693″]That’s pretty disgusting that Selig’s office and the manufacturer can dictate what hats the teams wear, even in batting practice.

    It’s almost certainly in the contract between MLB and New Era.[/quote]

    The problem is that the Mets (and all the individual teams) probably didn’t get much of a chance to incorporate their wishes into this contract. Do any of the teams actually prefer these silly new BP caps over their real ones?

    It seems like ever since Selig became commissioner, the individual teams and leagues (remember the offices of the league presidents?) are having their autonomy taken away a little bit each year.[/quote]

    On the other hand, why shouldn’t MLB dictate to the teams what they can wear on the field? Maybe if they did that, we would get to see more stirrups and less pajama pants, more streamlined unis and less baggy parachute Manny Ramirez-like duds……[/quote]

    There is a difference between what they where and how they wear it.

  • Jen | June 26, 2007 at 10:09 am |

    “And from the same game, what the heck is a Yankees logo doing on a seat in the visiting bullpen during an Indians/Nationals game?”

    Well they do tend to recycle seats from other MLB teams at RFK. I was there for a game last year sitting in the Loge section and some of the seats had Dodgers logos on them.

  • LouUmp | June 26, 2007 at 10:09 am |

    Although I still have not got the actual card yet (any day now!), I HAVE to say my number design ROCKS!

    LouUmp #56

  • LouUmp | June 26, 2007 at 10:14 am |

    also…one would have to assume that this famous picture willbe in that collection.

  • LouUmp | June 26, 2007 at 10:16 am |

    and in fact, is….duh….talk about not awake!

  • corey | June 26, 2007 at 10:18 am |

    It’s weird to me that the Israel Baseball League team wordmarks only transliterate the team names from English using Hebrew characters, rather than translating them using the Hebrew words for Miracle, Pioneers, Lightening, etc. Anyone know why (I’ve only studied ancient/Biblical Hebrew)? Is it an example of the Anglicization of modern Hebrew usage (i.e. do Hebrew-speakers use these words in everyday speaking)? Is it a short-cut on the part of the (English-speaking) design people? Something else?

  • Paul Lukas | June 26, 2007 at 10:18 am |

    [quote comment=”108695″]paul,
    correct me if I’m wrong, but is JFK actually 3 from the RIGHT in the Harvard second team pic?[/quote]

    Yes, thanks — fixing now.

  • Mr. Met | June 26, 2007 at 10:20 am |

    [quote comment=”108704]There is a difference between what they where and how they wear it.[/quote]

    That’s a good point.

    I guess my feeling about it is that all clubs are major league baseball clubs, as in, although they each have individual owners and ownership groups, they all fall under the auspices of Major League Baseball. So if they want to continue to reap the benefits of being MLB clubs, they do what MLB tells them to do. If that means wearing BP hats for a few hours before a game, so be it.

    I think the part that irks most people is that New Era is the parry that most probably pushed the issue; I’m sure Bud Selig doesn’t sit in his office and watch videos of batting practice to make sure that all teams are wearing the new BP caps. On the other hand, I can definitely see New Era sending reps out to the ballparks to check in on teams.

  • Seth H | June 26, 2007 at 10:21 am |

    Let me offer a little help for the non-Hebrew readers on the board.

    The Bet Shemesh cap has “Bet” (upper right) and a “Shin” (lower left), which are the first letters of Bet and Shemesh.

    The Modiin Miracle have a “Mem” in the center of their logo. This is the first letter of the word “Modiin.” Interestingly, the top of the circle says “Modiin” and the bottom is a Hebrew transliteration of “Miracle.” The Hebrew word for miracle is “Neis.” I guess that the IBL figured they would lose the alliteration — and perhaps the financial support of U.S. Jews — if they went with the Hebrew word.

    The “Tet” in the tiger paw is again for the transliteration of “Tigers.” The Hebrew word for Tiger is “Namir.”

    Raanana has a “Reish,” the first Hebrew letter of the word Raanana.

    Hope this of interest to someone.

  • Seth H | June 26, 2007 at 10:22 am |

    Corey beat me by a few seconds. (And I am not responsible for the italics.)

  • Mark in Shiga | June 26, 2007 at 10:23 am |

    [quote comment=”108711″]It’s weird to me that the Israel Baseball League team wordmarks only transliterate the team names from English using Hebrew characters, rather than translating them using the Hebrew words for Miracle, Pioneers, Lightening, etc. Anyone know why (I’ve only studied ancient/Biblical Hebrew)? Is it an example of the Anglicization of modern Hebrew usage (i.e. do Hebrew-speakers use these words in everyday speaking)? Is it a short-cut on the part of the (English-speaking) design people? Something else?[/quote]

    Maybe they like the sound of English words for their team names. Japan has been doing this for decades — except for a brief intermission during WWII, team names have always been English words converted (with varying results) into the closest possible approximation in Japanese katakana. Korea is the same, and I think Taiwanese and Chinese teams also have English-based names.

    Martial-arts schools in the US usually have Asian-based names, don’t they? ^_^;

  • Josh | June 26, 2007 at 10:23 am |

    Here’s an article about the Knoxville, Tenn., female high school track athlete of the year who wears trademark Cat in the Hat striped socks.

    Coward dresses for success

  • Paul Lukas | June 26, 2007 at 10:24 am |

    [quote comment=”108706″]Although I still have not got the actual card yet (any day now!), I HAVE to say my number design ROCKS!

    LouUmp #56[/quote]

    Lou, your card hasn’t yet gone to the printer (probably tomorrow). Hope to have it mailed out by the weekend. Glad you like the design!

  • Brian E. | June 26, 2007 at 10:24 am |

    The guy 2nd from the left in the JFK’s row looks like Lee Harvey Oswald.. foreshadowing?

  • Mr. Met | June 26, 2007 at 10:25 am |

    [quote comment=”108704]There is a difference between what they where and how they wear it.[/quote]

    That’s a good point. I guess my feeling about it is that all clubs are major league baseball clubs, as in, although they each have individual owners and ownership groups, they all fall under the auspices of Major League Baseball. So if they want to continue to reap the benefits of being MLB clubs, they do what MLB tells them to do. If that means wearing BP hats for a few hours before a game, so be it. Sort of like an “I’m the boss, so whether you like it or not is irrelevant; you will wear it” type of thing.

    I think the part that irks most people is that New Era is the party that most likely pushed the issue; I’m sure Bud Selig doesn’t sit in his office and watch videos of batting practice to make sure that all teams are wearing the new BP caps. On the other hand, I can definitely see New Era sending reps out to the ballparks to check in on teams.

  • Mike Engle | June 26, 2007 at 10:30 am |

    Death to italics!

  • slurpeeman | June 26, 2007 at 10:32 am |

    Just think: a man who would go on to become President of the United States once had to dive into water that disgusting. (Reagan)

  • Robert | June 26, 2007 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment=”108716″][quote comment=”108711″]

    Martial-arts schools in the US usually have Asian-based names, don’t they? ^_^;[/quote]

    Some do, some don’t. http://www.sidekicks...

  • possum | June 26, 2007 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment=”108714″]Let me offer a little help for the non-Hebrew readers on the board.

    The Bet Shemesh cap has “Bet” (upper right) and a “Shin” (lower left), which are the first letters of Bet and Shemesh.

    The Modiin Miracle have a “Mem” in the center of their logo. This is the first letter of the word “Modiin.” Interestingly, the top of the circle says “Modiin” and the bottom is a Hebrew transliteration of “Miracle.” The Hebrew word for miracle is “Neis.” I guess that the IBL figured they would lose the alliteration — and perhaps the financial support of U.S. Jews — if they went with the Hebrew word.

    The “Tet” in the tiger paw is again for the transliteration of “Tigers.” The Hebrew word for Tiger is “Namir.”

    Raanana has a “Reish,” the first Hebrew letter of the word Raanana.

    Hope this of interest to someone.[/quote]
    I’m not Jewish and wouldn’t know Hebrew if it bit me in the ass. But I did indeed find it interesting. Thanks for the info.

  • Zac | June 26, 2007 at 10:37 am |

    Check out Mr. Beckham playing (American) Football.

  • Smail | June 26, 2007 at 10:45 am |

    [quote comment=”108705″]“And from the same game, what the heck is a Yankees logo doing on a seat in the visiting bullpen during an Indians/Nationals game?”

    Well they do tend to recycle seats from other MLB teams at RFK. I was there for a game last year sitting in the Loge section and some of the seats had Dodgers logos on them.[/quote]

    I always thought the “LA” mark was the logo of the seat manufacturer. Cooper Stadium (AAA park in Columbus, Ohio) has had seats with that same logo for at least the last 25 years. Look here at seat 19 in the second row from the bottom.

  • John O'Hare | June 26, 2007 at 10:48 am |

    I noticed the stripes on the Cardinals’ batboy stirrups and thought immediately of this blog, but I looked closer and the sides of the stirrups seemed to stop before the tops of the shoes, indicating the dreaded fake stirrup socks! I might be wrong, but take a closer look.

  • Teebz | June 26, 2007 at 10:48 am |

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but does that order form for the Israeli Baseball League say that all of the hats are “one-size-fits-all-velcro-closure”?

    The picture of the players seem to show them wearing fitted hats.

    So can the fitted hats be ordered, or is the website slightly misleading in that there are one-size-fits-all and velcro-closure hats?

  • Zac | June 26, 2007 at 10:51 am |

    if you search for David Beckham on reuters’ photo page there are a few more pictures of the adidas? photo-op

  • FEZ | June 26, 2007 at 10:56 am |

    [quote comment=”108692″]I think Griffey Jr. was one of the first I ever saw using one….[/quote]
    The PROTB24 is the “Griffey” model of the classic Trap-EZE glove that Rawlings has been selling for decades. The model number tells it all:
    PRO- regular “Heart of the Hide” glove
    TB- Tan and Black
    24 – Griffey’s former number.

    Ozzie Smith wore the wicked PRO-12TC 12″ Trap-EZE that are uber-cool.

    You can see an older Rawlings Trap-EZE here.

  • interlockingtc | June 26, 2007 at 10:56 am |

    The Cedar Rapids Bunnies. Everything about that is perfect.

  • FEZ | June 26, 2007 at 11:00 am |

    Here’s a 1959 Ad for the Rawlings Trap-Eze with Stan Musial.

    Now that is a cool vintage equipment ad.

  • Jen | June 26, 2007 at 11:07 am |

    [quote comment=”108729″][quote comment=”108705″]“And from the same game, what the heck is a Yankees logo doing on a seat in the visiting bullpen during an Indians/Nationals game?”

    Well they do tend to recycle seats from other MLB teams at RFK. I was there for a game last year sitting in the Loge section and some of the seats had Dodgers logos on them.[/quote]

    I always thought the “LA” mark was the logo of the seat manufacturer. Cooper Stadium (AAA park in Columbus, Ohio) has had seats with that same logo for at least the last 25 years. Look here at seat 19 in the second row from the bottom.[/quote]

    It didn’t even occur to me that it would be the seat manufacturer. I just immediately thought of the Dodgers “LA”. But now that I look at their logo the A’s aren’t the same. There’s no slab serif on the top of the letter for the Dodgers. Geez, I may have in my GD degree now.

  • Chance | June 26, 2007 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”108734″]The Cedar Rapids Bunnies. Everything about that is perfect.[/quote]

    It sure is.

    I’m seriously considering having Ebbets Field Flannels make one of those for me, it’s so perfect.

  • Ronnie Poore | June 26, 2007 at 11:25 am |

    [quote comment=”108677″]I love the salutation on Curly Lambeau’s letter[/quote]

    yeah. “Dear Ford”

  • Matt B | June 26, 2007 at 11:25 am |

    What the hell is wrong with the Bucks? Everyone I know really digs the Brewers’ retro kick, but Kohl et al refuse to revive Bango?

    Would it kill them to bring back the best floor ever? I know the original has been sold, but it can’t be that hard to paint (sans MECCA at the tipoff circle, natch). It’s the anniversary for Pete’s sake!

  • Orange and Blue | June 26, 2007 at 11:28 am |

    Let me say that while the Mets BP caps are ugly, and I can understand why the players don’t like them, the BP caps across the board are ridiculously comfortable! Have you tried them? If the Mets could get all the black out of the BP cap, that’s what I would wear exclusively.

    By the way, the Mets have worn their traditional blue caps for three games in a row AND are now wearing blue-and-orange helmets when wearing those caps, instead of the black-and-blue concoction they were wearing ealier the season.

  • Mr. Met | June 26, 2007 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”108742″]Let me say that while the Mets BP caps are ugly, and I can understand why the players don’t like them, the BP caps across the board are ridiculously comfortable! Have you tried them? If the Mets could get all the black out of the BP cap, that’s what I would wear exclusively.

    By the way, the Mets have worn their traditional blue caps for three games in a row AND are now wearing blue-and-orange helmets when wearing those caps, instead of the black-and-blue concoction they were wearing ealier the season.[/quote]

    The Mets always wear and have always worn the blue/orange helmets with the blue caps; they wear the black and blue helmets with the black and blue caps exclusively.

  • Gary | June 26, 2007 at 11:35 am |

    Could have sworn I saw Beltran wear the wrong helmet one day this past weekend at Shea. When the entire team was wearing the blue, he was wearing the one with the black in front. Any pics?

  • Orange and Blue | June 26, 2007 at 11:39 am |

    Mr. Met.

    I wish that were true. They were wearing the black and blue helmets with absolutely no orange around the “NY” earlier in the season. My brother and I specifically noted it because we were both annoyed that there was no orange ANYWHERE in the helmet or insignia. I am glad they have rectified this glaring omission. Organe must ALWAYS be there somewhere.

  • Jonathon | June 26, 2007 at 11:41 am |

    Spotted a couple uni-snafus on the Madden ’08 slideshow at ESPN.com

    1. No belt-buckle sleeve on the Titans players
    2. Shows Colts rookie Anthony Gonzalez wearing the socks with two white stripes, which Indy ditched a couple years ago.

    http://sports.espn.g...

  • tape | June 26, 2007 at 11:48 am |

    [quote comment=”108741″]What the hell is wrong with the Bucks? Everyone I know really digs the Brewers’ retro kick, but Kohl et al refuse to revive Bango?

    Would it kill them to bring back the best floor ever? I know the original has been sold, but it can’t be that hard to paint (sans MECCA at the tipoff circle, natch). It’s the anniversary for Pete’s sake![/quote]

    Thank you for linking to a picture of the Mecca. I never went, but I remember watching many games on TV as a kid. That floor was super-cool.

  • Chad G | June 26, 2007 at 11:51 am |

    [quote comment=”108746″]Mr. Met.

    I wish that were true. They were wearing the black and blue helmets with absolutely no orange around the “NY” earlier in the season. My brother and I specifically noted it because we were both annoyed that there was no orange ANYWHERE in the helmet or insignia. I am glad they have rectified this glaring omission. Organe must ALWAYS be there somewhere.[/quote]

    Please pay attention. The Mets have 3 batting helmets which they have been wearing all season. They go with their 3 different caps exclusively. They have an all black helmet that matches their all black hat exactly. They have an all blue helmet that matches the blue hat exactly. The third helmet starts with blue on the brim and fades to black, the NY insignia is black with a white outline. They wear this helmet with the black and blue caps. They have been wearing all these helmets all season with their matching caps. There have been no exceptions. This is Uniwatch, if some strange situation happened earlier in the season where they wore a helmet that didn’t correspond to the cap it would have been noted here.

  • Mr. Met | June 26, 2007 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment=”108750″][quote comment=”108746″]Mr. Met.

    I wish that were true. They were wearing the black and blue helmets with absolutely no orange around the “NY” earlier in the season. My brother and I specifically noted it because we were both annoyed that there was no orange ANYWHERE in the helmet or insignia. I am glad they have rectified this glaring omission. Organe must ALWAYS be there somewhere.[/quote]

    Please pay attention. The Mets have 3 batting helmets which they have been wearing all season. They go with their 3 different caps exclusively. They have an all black helmet that matches their all black hat exactly. They have an all blue helmet that matches the blue hat exactly. The third helmet starts with blue on the brim and fades to black, the NY insignia is black with a white outline. They wear this helmet with the black and blue caps. They have been wearing all these helmets all season with their matching caps. There have been no exceptions. This is Uniwatch, if some strange situation happened earlier in the season where they wore a helmet that didn’t correspond to the cap it would have been noted here.[/quote]

    Thank you.

    I was not disputing the fact that they were wearing those helmets earlier in the year; what I’m saying is that they have never worn those helmets when they have worn the blue caps. Despite having multiple caps (and the Carlos Gomez cap screwup earlier this season), the one things the Mets haven’t screwed up is using the proper helmet for the proper cap. They wear the blue/orange helmets with the blue caps and the black/blue helmets with the black and blue caps (and the all-black helmet with the all black cap).

    Gary pointed out that Beltran may have worn the wrong helmet this weekend, but that would be one isolated incident. I’ve watched every game this season, and unless I just totally missed it (highly improbable but it happens on occasion), they have never mixed the black/blue helmet with the blue caps.

  • Kenny | June 26, 2007 at 11:59 am |

    Eat your heart out Jon Kitna

    A child custody case was held in court. The judge felt that the mother and father were both fit to be parents and therefore couldn’t decide who he should grant full custody to.
    So he asks the little boy, “Would you like to live with your mother?”
    “No.” said the boy.
    “Why not?” said the judge.
    “Because she beats me.”
    The judge says “Okay, then you’ll go live with your father.”
    “Oh no,” cried the boy, “he beats me too.”
    Dumbfounded, the judge asks “Okay who do you want to live with?”
    “I want to live with the Detroit Lions.”
    “Why?” asks the judge.
    “They never beat anybody.”

  • Orange and Blue | June 26, 2007 at 12:01 pm |

    Mr. Met,

    You are correct that the Mets have three different batting helmets. However, you are incorrect when you say that the batting helmet they had been wearing earlier in the season with the all-blue caps have matched those caps.

    Earlier in the season, when they wore their all-blue caps with the orange “NY” insignia, the batting helmet they wore was all blue, including the bill, except with black air vents and an “NY” insignia that was black and white with no orange in the insignia.

    They have now abandoned those helmets when wearing the all-blue caps and now wear all-blue helmets (with no black by the vents) and an orange “NY” insignia that mirrors the cap identically.

    I hope this clears up the confusion for you.

  • Teebz | June 26, 2007 at 12:04 pm |

    Take a look at the Los Angeles Kings’ pre-season schedule.

    Thursday Sept. 13 – @ Anaheim Ducks in Anaheim
    Saturday Sept. 15 – vs. Anaheim Ducks in Los Angeles
    Tuesday Sept. 18 – vs. San Jose Sharks in Los Angeles
    Wednesday Sept. 19 – @ Colorado Avalanche in Denver
    Saturday Sept. 22 – vs. Colorado Avalanche in Las Vegas at the MGM Grand

    The NHL might be more serious about Las Vegas than they are about Kansas City.

  • Chad G | June 26, 2007 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”108753″]Mr. Met,

    You are correct that the Mets have three different batting helmets. However, you are incorrect when you say that the batting helmet they had been wearing earlier in the season with the all-blue caps have matched those caps.

    Earlier in the season, when they wore their all-blue caps with the orange “NY” insignia, the batting helmet they wore was all blue, including the bill, except with black air vents and an “NY” insignia that was black and white with no orange in the insignia.

    They have now abandoned those helmets when wearing the all-blue caps and now wear all-blue helmets (with no black by the vents) and an orange “NY” insignia that mirrors the cap identically.

    I hope this clears up the confusion for you.[/quote]

    I think by earlier in the season you mean spring training, and their spring training/BP caps are all blue with a black NY white outline and orange dropshadow. During Spring training they wore the fade from blue to black helmets with these caps. When most of us read earlier in the season we assume you mean the regular season.

  • Anthony Verna | June 26, 2007 at 12:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”108736″][quote comment=”108729″][quote comment=”108705″]“And from the same game, what the heck is a Yankees logo doing on a seat in the visiting bullpen during an Indians/Nationals game?”

    Well they do tend to recycle seats from other MLB teams at RFK. I was there for a game last year sitting in the Loge section and some of the seats had Dodgers logos on them.[/quote]

    I always thought the “LA” mark was the logo of the seat manufacturer. Cooper Stadium (AAA park in Columbus, Ohio) has had seats with that same logo for at least the last 25 years. Look here at seat 19 in the second row from the bottom.[/quote]

    It didn’t even occur to me that it would be the seat manufacturer. I just immediately thought of the Dodgers “LA”. But now that I look at their logo the A’s aren’t the same. There’s no slab serif on the top of the letter for the Dodgers. Geez, I may have in my GD degree now.[/quote]

    *chuckles*

    Hmmmm. Sounds like two trademarks that are quite similar to each other.

  • Mr. Met | June 26, 2007 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”108753″]Mr. Met,

    You are correct that the Mets have three different batting helmets. However, you are incorrect when you say that the batting helmet they had been wearing earlier in the season with the all-blue caps have matched those caps.

    Earlier in the season, when they wore their all-blue caps with the orange “NY” insignia, the batting helmet they wore was all blue, including the bill, except with black air vents and an “NY” insignia that was black and white with no orange in the insignia.

    They have now abandoned those helmets when wearing the all-blue caps and now wear all-blue helmets (with no black by the vents) and an orange “NY” insignia that mirrors the cap identically.

    I hope this clears up the confusion for you.[/quote]

    No, the only one confused here is you; I’m not sure what part of “they have never worn the black and blue helmets with the blue caps” is so hard to understand. But I’ll say it again: They have never worn the black and blue helmets with the blue caps.

    Maybe you have a Magic TV that shows them wearing the black and blue helmets with blue caps, like that guy had those magic grits that cooked faster than everyone else’s grits…?

    In fact, why not let Paul, who’s as big a Mets fan as anyone on this board, settle it: Have the Mets ever worn the black and blue helmets with the blue caps?

    All other Mets’ faithfuls feel free to chime in with your thoughts…

  • Orange and Blue | June 26, 2007 at 12:14 pm |

    Mr. Met (A dubious title, since you seem unaware of details of the Mets uniforms)…

    Here is the helmet they were wearing earlier this year when wearing the all-blue caps:

    http://www.amny.com/...

    http://transplantedm...

  • Mr. Met | June 26, 2007 at 12:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”108755″]I think by earlier in the season you mean spring training, and their spring training/BP caps are all blue with a black NY white outline and orange dropshadow. During Spring training they wore the fade from blue to black helmets with these caps. When most of us read earlier in the season we assume you mean the regular season.[/quote]

    I don’t know, Chad; he specifically says they wore the all blue cap with the orange NY with the back and blue Cool-Flos.

    You know that’s wrong, I know that’s wrong, but whatever……

  • Jeff B | June 26, 2007 at 12:16 pm |

    Asked late yesterday…
    Watching the Cubs Sox series in Chicago this weekend (on the south side) I noticed that in shots of Cubs players on deck, the donuts they were using had the Sox logo on them. Is it customary for the home team to supply the on deck circle supplies? Is this just because it was easier since the Cubs really didnt really travel to this away series? What’s the deal?

  • SWC Susan | June 26, 2007 at 12:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”108691″]I really don’t like the outline around the numbers on Texas A&M’s new jerseys. It just seems too clunky. Hopefully they will look better in person. I also wonder how Aggie Nation feels about silver being included on the uniforms.[/quote]

    This little piece of aggie Nation likes the reversion to the stripes… and gray has always been an accent color. The unis ofd the last few years have been quite dull in my opinnion. Am missing the aTm on the pants, though. Maybe too cluttered with it. Will research and see if we have ever had both.

  • DJ | June 26, 2007 at 12:20 pm |

    The NHL might be more serious about Las Vegas than they are about Kansas City.

    That could be, but the Kings have been playing a pre-season game in Las Vegas for several years.

  • Mr. Met | June 26, 2007 at 12:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”108760″]Mr. Met (A dubious title, since you seem unaware of details of the Mets uniforms)…

    Here is the helmet they were wearing earlier this year when wearing the all-blue caps:

    http://www.amny.com/...

    http://transplantedm...

    Thank you for making my point for me. Nice pic that you linked to of David Wright wearing the road uni, which they do not wear their blue caps with. They wear their black and blue caps with the road grays, hence the black and blue Cool-Flos. And like Chad pointed out above, they wear the black and blue Cool-Flos with the spring-training unis.

    I would say quit while you’re ahead, but you’ve been wrong this whole time. So please, accept this and move on, yes?

  • SWC Susan | June 26, 2007 at 12:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”108693″]That’s pretty disgusting that Selig’s office and the manufacturer can dictate what hats the teams wear, even in batting practice.

    It’s almost certainly in the contract between MLB and New Era.[/quote]

    Completely disgusting… in fact, it reminds me of how I sometimes travel through domestic airports while on long, international flights and have quite the difficulty finding a Dr. Pepper. I can understand having a contract for the vending machines that may preclude the sale of a flavor. But newstand, restaurants, AND vending machines is greedy. An added part of my distaste for Coke or Pepsi!

  • SWC Susan | June 26, 2007 at 12:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”108698″][quote comment=”108693″]That’s pretty disgusting that Selig’s office and the manufacturer can dictate what hats the teams wear, even in batting practice.

    It’s almost certainly in the contract between MLB and New Era.[/quote]

    The problem is that the Mets (and all the individual teams) probably didn’t get much of a chance to incorporate their wishes into this contract. Do any of the teams actually prefer these silly new BP caps over their real ones?

    It seems like ever since Selig became commissioner, the individual teams and leagues (remember the offices of the league presidents?) are having their autonomy taken away a little bit each year.[/quote]

    A petition I signed when he forced the Astros to open the rook during the playoffs. Although, I am a little confused because I thought there were more than 212 signatures when I signed years ago.

  • Shaftman | June 26, 2007 at 12:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”108760″]Mr. Met (A dubious title, since you seem unaware of details of the Mets uniforms)…

    Here is the helmet they were wearing earlier this year when wearing the all-blue caps:

    http://www.amny.com/...

    http://transplantedm...

    The first picture has David Wright wearing the black/blue fade helmet with black undershirt and black socks. He would have been wearing the black/blue cap which mateches what Mr. Met is saying.

    Again, (except for spring training), the mets ALWAYS wear an all blue helmet with an orange NY when wearing their pin stripe or snow white uni’s with the all blue cap.

    They ALWAYS wear the black/blue fade helmets when wearing their Black cap/Blue brim cap.

    They ALWAYS wear the all black helmet when they wear their all black cap.

    This is fact. Not opinion.

  • Dan | June 26, 2007 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”108754″]Take a look at the Los Angeles Kings’ pre-season schedule.

    Thursday Sept. 13 – @ Anaheim Ducks in Anaheim
    Saturday Sept. 15 – vs. Anaheim Ducks in Los Angeles
    Tuesday Sept. 18 – vs. San Jose Sharks in Los Angeles
    Wednesday Sept. 19 – @ Colorado Avalanche in Denver
    Saturday Sept. 22 – vs. Colorado Avalanche in Las Vegas at the MGM Grand

    The NHL might be more serious about Las Vegas than they are about Kansas City.[/quote]

    The Las Vegas Predators?

    I’d like to see a Vegas team named the Blackjacks. An Ace and a Jack on the sweater…or just Trent from Swingers and “Vegas Baby” on the shoulder patch! lol

  • Orange and Blue | June 26, 2007 at 12:31 pm |

    Mr. Met,

    Are you saying that they have gotten rid of the batting helmets with the blue bill and black crown that match the caps of those style?

  • Chad G | June 26, 2007 at 12:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”108779″]Mr. Met,

    Are you saying that they have gotten rid of the batting helmets with the blue bill and black crown that match the caps of those style?[/quote]

    YES!!! They haven’t used those since 2005. The fade helmets replaced these when the mets started wearing coolflos last year.

  • Orange and Blue | June 26, 2007 at 12:34 pm |

    Shaftman,

    Are these helmets retired?

    http://www.newsday.c...

  • Shaftman | June 26, 2007 at 12:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”108781″]Shaftman,

    Are these helmets retired?

    http://www.newsday.c...

    They are as dead as Mo Vaughn’s career was when we got him.

  • Orange and Blue | June 26, 2007 at 12:37 pm |

    Chad G,

    Okay…Then I apologize to Mr. Met. I was wrong. I unfortunately no longer live in NY and only get to see them sparingly on ESPN (such as last night) or when I visit NY.

    Again, I apologize. Mr. Met, no hard feelings? We’re all Mets fans….

  • Smail | June 26, 2007 at 12:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”108726″]Check out Mr. Beckham playing (American) Football.[/quote]

    Yesterday, I almost posted about the wonderful knock off jersey Adidas made for him for that shoot. See it for yourself in the first shot over here.

  • Chad G | June 26, 2007 at 12:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”108781″]Shaftman,

    Are these helmets retired?

    http://www.newsday.c...

    As I stated above they havent been used since ’05. That picture is of Mike Jacobs, who only appered in a Mets Uni in ’05. He was traded in the offseason to the Marlins for Carlos Delgado prior to the start of Spring training in 2006.

  • Wicks | June 26, 2007 at 12:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”108754″]Take a look at the Los Angeles Kings’ pre-season schedule.

    Thursday Sept. 13 – @ Anaheim Ducks in Anaheim
    Saturday Sept. 15 – vs. Anaheim Ducks in Los Angeles
    Tuesday Sept. 18 – vs. San Jose Sharks in Los Angeles
    Wednesday Sept. 19 – @ Colorado Avalanche in Denver
    Saturday Sept. 22 – vs. Colorado Avalanche in Las Vegas at the MGM Grand

    The NHL might be more serious about Las Vegas than they are about Kansas City.[/quote]

    The Avs and Kings have been playing in vegas for ten years now…..

  • Mr. Met | June 26, 2007 at 12:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”108779″]Mr. Met,

    Are you saying that they have gotten rid of the batting helmets with the blue bill and black crown that match the caps of those style?[/quote]

    The old helmets, with the blue brim and black crown that matched the caps identically, are no longer in use. They all use the current model, the Cool-Flo with the blue that fades into black and the “NY” in white and black. Even Lo Duca uses a regular non-Cool-Flo helmet when he catches with the black-and-blue fade pattern on it.

  • Anthony Verna | June 26, 2007 at 12:38 pm |

    Found it. TM registration #0804971 – it’s now expired – belongs(or belong ed) to Liskey Aluminum, Inc.

    There’s what that LA design is for!

  • SWC Susan | June 26, 2007 at 12:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”108741″]What the hell is wrong with the Bucks? Everyone I know really digs the Brewers’ retro kick, but Kohl et al refuse to revive Bango?

    Would it kill them to bring back the best floor ever? I know the original has been sold, but it can’t be that hard to paint (sans MECCA at the tipoff circle, natch). It’s the anniversary for Pete’s sake![/quote]

    Oh, I love Bango! I have always wondered what was up with that hunter image and color scheme… I don’t see NBA as a big draw for the hunter types.

  • Chad G | June 26, 2007 at 12:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”108783″]Chad G,

    Okay…Then I apologize to Mr. Met. I was wrong. I unfortunately no longer live in NY and only get to see them sparingly on ESPN (such as last night) or when I visit NY.

    Again, I apologize. Mr. Met, no hard feelings? We’re all Mets fans….[/quote]

    Sorry for the last post, obviously you get it now. We tend to get our panties in a twist when someone posts something on this board about uniforms that is incorrect because we are all so particular and thourough about it.

    P.S. I also no longer live in NY but I got mlb.tv to watch my Mets and its great (except for saturday day games when they block out all games on fox even though they aren’t really national broadcasts…that irks me to no end). Especially if you have a laptop and you can hook it up to a TV.

  • Orange and Blue | June 26, 2007 at 12:42 pm |

    Mr. Met, Shaftman, Chad G.

    Thank you for clearing up MY confusion. Looks like I was wrong. I apologize.

  • Mr. Met | June 26, 2007 at 12:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”108783″]Chad G,

    Okay…Then I apologize to Mr. Met. I was wrong. I unfortunately no longer live in NY and only get to see them sparingly on ESPN (such as last night) or when I visit NY.

    Again, I apologize. Mr. Met, no hard feelings? We’re all Mets fans….[/quote]

    No hard feelings whatsoever!

    And as far as not being able to see the Mets, you’re not able to get the MLB Extra Innings package?

  • Anthony Verna | June 26, 2007 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”108794″][quote comment=”108783″]Chad G,

    Okay…Then I apologize to Mr. Met. I was wrong. I unfortunately no longer live in NY and only get to see them sparingly on ESPN (such as last night) or when I visit NY.

    Again, I apologize. Mr. Met, no hard feelings? We’re all Mets fans….[/quote]

    No hard feelings whatsoever!

    And as far as not being able to see the Mets, you’re not able to get the MLB Extra Innings package?[/quote]

    That’s not a cheap package, you know.

  • Orange and Blue | June 26, 2007 at 12:45 pm |

    Chad G.

    No problem. I was the one who was wrong. I was just so excited to see the blue and orange batting helmets last night. I really thought they used those two-toned ones with the black-and-white NY with the all-blue caps. My mistake.

  • Orange and Blue | June 26, 2007 at 12:48 pm |

    Mr. Met,

    “And as far as not being able to see the Mets, you’re not able to get the MLB Extra Innings package?”

    I know I should get it, but I am so often not home when the games are on, I wonder if it is worth it for me. Glad to see they are on ESPN on Wednesday nigh.

  • Mr. Met | June 26, 2007 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”108795″][quote comment=”108794″][quote comment=”108783″]Chad G,

    Okay…Then I apologize to Mr. Met. I was wrong. I unfortunately no longer live in NY and only get to see them sparingly on ESPN (such as last night) or when I visit NY.

    Again, I apologize. Mr. Met, no hard feelings? We’re all Mets fans….[/quote]

    No hard feelings whatsoever!

    And as far as not being able to see the Mets, you’re not able to get the MLB Extra Innings package?[/quote]

    That’s not a cheap package, you know.[/quote]

    This is true, but if I moved away from NY, I don’t know how I could live without Mets baseball. I mean, I’m sure I could do it, but why would I want to?

    Besides, my satellite bill is so ridiculous now that I’m sure the package would be but a minor dent in my finances. Sad but true.

  • Chris | June 26, 2007 at 12:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”108682″]The Nats have folding chairs featuring all major league teams in the press box dining room and throughout RFK I believe. They have been there since the baseball returned to D.C. if not sooner.[/quote]

    The chairs were brought with them from Montreal. Judging by the logos, they seem to be circa 1998

  • Paul Lukas | June 26, 2007 at 12:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”108758″][quote comment=”108753″]In fact, why not let Paul, who’s as big a Mets fan as anyone on this board, settle it: Have the Mets ever worn the black and blue helmets with the blue caps?[/quote]

    Not to my knowledge. When they wear blue caps, they break out the solid-blue helmets.

  • Ron | June 26, 2007 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”108784″][quote comment=”108726″]Check out Mr. Beckham playing (American) Football.[/quote]

    Yesterday, I almost posted about the wonderful knock off jersey Adidas made for him for that shoot. See it for yourself in the first shot over here.[/quote]

    In looking at Becks in the New Orleans Saints practice gear, is adidas now the official on field apparel company of the NFL now?

    I know when adidas bought out Reebok, adidas was slowly integrating the brand in North American professional sports. Much like they did with the NBA. I am not sure if it is continuing with the NFL.

  • Smail | June 26, 2007 at 12:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”108788″]Found it. TM registration #0804971 – it’s now expired – belongs(or belong ed) to Liskey Aluminum, Inc.

    There’s what that LA design is for![/quote]

    awesome, thanks for the follow-up!

  • GoTerriers | June 26, 2007 at 12:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”108797″]Chad G.

    No problem. I was the one who was wrong. I was just so excited to see the blue and orange batting helmets last night. I really thought they used those two-toned ones with the black-and-white NY with the all-blue caps. My mistake.[/quote]

    The fact that this debate has raged on for as long as it has really amplifies the need for the Mets to find someont who Gets It (TM) to manage their uniform choices.

    Kudos to all of you for resolving your dispute amicable, though .. .that’s what we’re all about here, isn’t it!

  • Christopher | June 26, 2007 at 1:08 pm |

    Woo hoo! Love my card image on the flickr thing. Glad you could whip up some NOLA Saints colors!

    Thanks!

  • Shaftman | June 26, 2007 at 1:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”108806″][quote comment=”108797″]Chad G.

    No problem. I was the one who was wrong. I was just so excited to see the blue and orange batting helmets last night. I really thought they used those two-toned ones with the black-and-white NY with the all-blue caps. My mistake.[/quote]

    The fact that this debate has raged on for as long as it has really amplifies the need for the Mets to find someont who Gets It (TM) to manage their uniform choices.

    Kudos to all of you for resolving your dispute amicable, though .. .that’s what we’re all about here, isn’t it![/quote]

    To: Mr. Fred Wilpon

    I’m local and I “Get It” (TM)

    Yours Truly: Shaftman

  • Christopher | June 26, 2007 at 1:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”108767″][quote comment=”108698″][quote comment=”108693″]That’s pretty disgusting that Selig’s office and the manufacturer can dictate what hats the teams wear, even in batting practice.

    It’s almost certainly in the contract between MLB and New Era.[/quote]

    The problem is that the Mets (and all the individual teams) probably didn’t get much of a chance to incorporate their wishes into this contract. Do any of the teams actually prefer these silly new BP caps over their real ones?

    It seems like ever since Selig became commissioner, the individual teams and leagues (remember the offices of the league presidents?) are having their autonomy taken away a little bit each year.[/quote]

    A petition I signed when he forced the Astros to open the rook during the playoffs. Although, I am a little confused because I thought there were more than 212 signatures when I signed years ago.[/quote]

    As a White Sox fan, I consider that his only correct decision.

    (Ok, kidding. Yes, it was one of many stupid things he’s done)

  • marlowe | June 26, 2007 at 1:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”108737″][quote comment=”108734″]The Cedar Rapids Bunnies. Everything about that is perfect.[/quote]

    It sure is.

    I’m seriously considering having Ebbets Field Flannels make one of those for me, it’s so perfect.[/quote]

    I agree with all the postive comments on this jersey. However, the style is defintely quite a bit later than 1907. That type of widely spaced pinstriping and the piping just did not exist at that time. Also – where is the collar?

  • Original Jim | June 26, 2007 at 1:22 pm |

    Paul, I noticed something in the Red Sox-Padres game on Sunday.

    Home plate umpire Dana DeMuth had a New Era logo on the side of his cap. None of the other umpires had a logo on their caps, aside from the MLB ones on the front and back.

    I double checked to make sure it wasn’t just a manufacturer’s logo from the strap on the mask, and it was clearly on the cap.

  • Teebz | June 26, 2007 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”108764″]The NHL might be more serious about Las Vegas than they are about Kansas City.

    That could be, but the Kings have been playing a pre-season game in Las Vegas for several years.[/quote]

    That’s true, but nothing has been announced for Kansas City, and Kansas City has an ownership group in place.

    The NHL tries to go preseason games in non-NHL cities to grow the game.

    However, with Las Vegas being a target for an NHL franchise, you’d think that they would play a game in cities like Hamilton and Kansas City to see the reaction they get as well.

    Perhaps the St. Louis Blues have yet to finalize their schedule.

  • Graf Zeppelin | June 26, 2007 at 1:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”108750″][quote comment=”108746″]Mr. Met.

    I wish that were true. They were wearing the black and blue helmets with absolutely no orange around the “NY” earlier in the season. My brother and I specifically noted it because we were both annoyed that there was no orange ANYWHERE in the helmet or insignia. I am glad they have rectified this glaring omission. Organe must ALWAYS be there somewhere.[/quote]

    Please pay attention. The Mets have 3 batting helmets which they have been wearing all season. They go with their 3 different caps exclusively. They have an all black helmet that matches their all black hat exactly. They have an all blue helmet that matches the blue hat exactly. The third helmet starts with blue on the brim and fades to black, the NY insignia is black with a white outline. They wear this helmet with the black and blue caps. They have been wearing all these helmets all season with their matching caps. There have been no exceptions. This is Uniwatch, if some strange situation happened earlier in the season where they wore a helmet that didn’t correspond to the cap it would have been noted here.[/quote]

    As entertaining as this discussion is…

    …if you look carefully, you’ll see that the Mets’ current batting helmets which match the blue and all-black caps also have the same fading pattern painted onto the Cool-Flo shell, but it’s less noticeable because you have metallic blue paint fading into a plain blue of the same shade; ditto for metallic black fading into plain black. This is more noticeable on a high-def TV, particularly on a sunny day. Even LoDuca’s smooth-shelled helmets have the metallic-paint-fade design painted onto them, including both the blue and all-black variations.

    This was not so last year; the blue and all-black Cool-Flo helmets were solidly non-metallic in lustre, as were LoDuca’s catching helmets; if memory serves, LoDuca’s two-tone helmet still matched the two-tone cap in 2006.

  • Paul Lukas | June 26, 2007 at 1:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”108831″]Paul, I noticed something in the Red Sox-Padres game on Sunday.

    Home plate umpire Dana DeMuth had a New Era logo on the side of his cap. None of the other umpires had a logo on their caps, aside from the MLB ones on the front and back.

    I double checked to make sure it wasn’t just a manufacturer’s logo from the strap on the mask, and it was clearly on the cap.[/quote]

    I’ve noticed this myself during two recent games but have been unable to get good screen grabs. It’s always been the home plate ump (don’t recall if it’s been DeMuth). Will investigate.

  • Broker75 | June 26, 2007 at 1:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”108834″][quote comment=”108764″]The NHL might be more serious about Las Vegas than they are about Kansas City.

    That could be, but the Kings have been playing a pre-season game in Las Vegas for several years.[/quote]

    That’s true, but nothing has been announced for Kansas City, and Kansas City has an ownership group in place.

    The NHL tries to go preseason games in non-NHL cities to grow the game.

    However, with Las Vegas being a target for an NHL franchise, you’d think that they would play a game in cities like Hamilton and Kansas City to see the reaction they get as well.

    Perhaps the St. Louis Blues have yet to finalize their schedule.[/quote]
    All of Canada, the NHL and the province of Ontario knows that the NHL will sell in Hamilton. Sure it would do good for the game(in Canada), and create new rivalries with the Maple Leafs, Senators and especially the Buffalo Sabres being just down the Q.E.W. But what good would it do in terms of striking a billion dollar deal with a network, ESPN ABC etc. none. That is why there will be no NHL in Hamilton. It won’t do shit in Vegas, as for Kansas City, just don’t know.

  • Teebz | June 26, 2007 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”108841″]
    All of Canada, the NHL and the province of Ontario knows that the NHL will sell in Hamilton. Sure it would do good for the game(in Canada), and create new rivalries with the Maple Leafs, Senators and especially the Buffalo Sabres being just down the Q.E.W. But what good would it do in terms of striking a billion dollar deal with a network, ESPN ABC etc. none. That is why there will be no NHL in Hamilton. It won’t do shit in Vegas, as for Kansas City, just don’t know.[/quote]

    Um, Hamilton barely gets 2000 people for an AHL game, and their team won the Calder Cup this year. It’s the 8th-largest metropolitan center in Canada. Do you see a problem with those numbers?

    Southern Ontario, for its claims of being “hockey-mad”, are a bunch of liars. They are NHL-mad. There’s a huge difference.

    I’m the same guy who said that the NHL returning to Winnipeg (the 9th-largest metropolitan center in Canada) was a terrible idea. It would be doomed from the start, much the same way that Hamilton would be.

    Sending a team to Vegas and KC are not the answer, in my opinion. However, the NHL wants to be the first of the “Big Four” to lay down roots in the Nevada desert. If they took a look at the Arizona desert where no one attends games, they’d have their answer in a heartbeat about how well hockey does in those states.

  • Mark Max | June 26, 2007 at 2:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”108729″][quote comment=”108705″]“And from the same game, what the heck is a Yankees logo doing on a seat in the visiting bullpen during an Indians/Nationals game?”

    Well they do tend to recycle seats from other MLB teams at RFK. I was there for a game last year sitting in the Loge section and some of the seats had Dodgers logos on them.[/quote]

    I always thought the “LA” mark was the logo of the seat manufacturer. Cooper Stadium (AAA park in Columbus, Ohio) has had seats with that same logo for at least the last 25 years. Look here at seat 19 in the second row from the bottom.[/quote]
    I was just at Cooper Stadium earlier this year and love how they had past stars in their Clippers Uniforms on banners around the stadium. You can see Bernie Williams in that picture, but I also saw Jeter and Mattingly while I was at the stadium.

  • possum | June 26, 2007 at 2:17 pm |

    Re: Mets cap/helmet convo

    Go Braves!

  • Patrick Jonas | June 26, 2007 at 2:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”108798″]Mr. Met,

    “And as far as not being able to see the Mets, you’re not able to get the MLB Extra Innings package?”

    I know I should get it, but I am so often not home when the games are on, I wonder if it is worth it for me. Glad to see they are on ESPN on Wednesday nigh.[/quote]

    You mean the all Mets, Yankees, Red Sox station? What a rare treat!

  • C.N. | June 26, 2007 at 2:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”108691″]I really don’t like the outline around the numbers on Texas A&M’s new jerseys. It just seems too clunky. Hopefully they will look better in person. I also wonder how Aggie Nation feels about silver being included on the uniforms.[/quote]

    Classic example of “fixing what ain’t broke”.

  • alex | June 26, 2007 at 2:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”108841″][quote comment=”108834″][quote comment=”108764″]The NHL might be more serious about Las Vegas than they are about Kansas City.

    That could be, but the Kings have been playing a pre-season game in Las Vegas for several years.[/quote]

    That’s true, but nothing has been announced for Kansas City, and Kansas City has an ownership group in place.

    The NHL tries to go preseason games in non-NHL cities to grow the game.

    However, with Las Vegas being a target for an NHL franchise, you’d think that they would play a game in cities like Hamilton and Kansas City to see the reaction they get as well.

    Perhaps the St. Louis Blues have yet to finalize their schedule.[/quote]
    All of Canada, the NHL and the province of Ontario knows that the NHL will sell in Hamilton. Sure it would do good for the game(in Canada), and create new rivalries with the Maple Leafs, Senators and especially the Buffalo Sabres being just down the Q.E.W. But what good would it do in terms of striking a billion dollar deal with a network, ESPN ABC etc. none. That is why there will be no NHL in Hamilton. It won’t do shit in Vegas, as for Kansas City, just don’t know.[/quote]

    I don’t think there is anything imaginable right now that could get the NHL a huge TV deal in the United States. They might as well move a team to Canada where it will presumably be supported.

  • schuby | June 26, 2007 at 2:46 pm |

    This jersey is from 1939. You can see on the left sleeve patch that it says 1839 on the top left corner. It also says “Baseball Centennial” on the bottom of the patch. I’m not sure what happened for that 100 years. Maybe the inception of baseball in that city?

  • Shaftman | June 26, 2007 at 2:48 pm |

    On SI they have a NBA Draft Busts list. Two pictures jumped out at me.

    1.) Marquette uni: We were all up in arms when RBK tried to make hockey sweaters tucked in next season. This is how out of place it would look. Basketball uni’s are meant to be tucked IN.
    Also, if you look at the player trailing the play, the jersey looks like it’s on backwards with those big numbers in the front.

    2.) Indiana jersey: Nothing really remarkable about the jersey but it looked weird to have two colored uni’s in an NBA game and not have one of them be the Lakers in yellow. Just looked off.

    Any other thoughts on the list.

  • Smail | June 26, 2007 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”108847″][quote comment=”108729″][quote comment=”108705″]“And from the same game, what the heck is a Yankees logo doing on a seat in the visiting bullpen during an Indians/Nationals game?”

    Well they do tend to recycle seats from other MLB teams at RFK. I was there for a game last year sitting in the Loge section and some of the seats had Dodgers logos on them.[/quote]

    I always thought the “LA” mark was the logo of the seat manufacturer. Cooper Stadium (AAA park in Columbus, Ohio) has had seats with that same logo for at least the last 25 years. Look here at seat 19 in the second row from the bottom.[/quote]
    I was just at Cooper Stadium earlier this year and love how they had past stars in their Clippers Uniforms on banners around the stadium. You can see Bernie Williams in that picture, but I also saw Jeter and Mattingly while I was at the stadium.[/quote]

    yeah, the section I was in had Drew Henson… Seriously though, the old player banners do bring back memories of seeing all those future Yankees.

  • Brendan | June 26, 2007 at 2:56 pm |

    Where did Minna go to? Haven’t seen her post for a while.

  • TOG | June 26, 2007 at 3:00 pm |

    Remember how the Mets were wearing their blue game caps during BP, instead of the new BP caps? Not anymore. A source with the team tells me, “We had to go back to the horrible BP hats, orders from MLB/New Era. We wore them this weekend, and will continue to for the near future.” …

    Nothing like carefully listening to the needs of the players to enhance their comfort and enhancce their performance on the field. Assholes at New Era.

  • SWC Susan | June 26, 2007 at 3:02 pm |

    Now that’s an ugly hat …despite the really cool old school T! Leave it to Nike to mess up the seams and come up with something really stupid looking.

  • Adam | June 26, 2007 at 3:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”108861″]This jersey is from 1939. You can see on the left sleeve patch that it says 1839 on the top left corner. It also says “Baseball Centennial” on the bottom of the patch. I’m not sure what happened for that 100 years. Maybe the inception of baseball in that city?[/quote]

    1839 was when Abner Doubleday supposedly invented baseball, although as I hope you all know that story is long discredited.

  • TOG | June 26, 2007 at 3:06 pm |

    1.) Marquette uni: We were all up in arms when RBK tried to make hockey sweaters tucked in next season. This is how out of place it would look. Basketball uni’s are meant to be tucked IN.
    Also, if you look at the player trailing the play, the jersey looks like it’s on backwards with those big numbers in the front.

    The Marquette Warriors jersey was a thing of beauty really. Coach Al McGuire designed the uniforms and the Warriors played at the MEcca Center on basketball court painted by Robert Indiana in 1978, with large rainbow ‘M’s…

  • Shaftman | June 26, 2007 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”108873″]1.) Marquette uni: We were all up in arms when RBK tried to make hockey sweaters tucked in next season. This is how out of place it would look. Basketball uni’s are meant to be tucked IN.
    Also, if you look at the player trailing the play, the jersey looks like it’s on backwards with those big numbers in the front.

    The Marquette Warriors jersey was a thing of beauty really. Coach Al McGuire designed the uniforms and the Warriors played at the MEcca Center on basketball court painted by Robert Indiana in 1978, with large rainbow ‘M’s…[/quote]

    I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not the biggest B-Ball fan, but that uniform looks anything but “a thing of beauty”. Everything about it looks out of place to me.

    Shrink the numbers, pull “Marquette” a little bit up and tuck it in… Still different enough to be original, but would look “right” (at least to me).

  • patrick | June 26, 2007 at 3:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”108730″]I noticed the stripes on the Cardinals’ batboy stirrups and thought immediately of this blog, but I looked closer and the sides of the stirrups seemed to stop before the tops of the shoes, indicating the dreaded fake stirrup socks! I might be wrong, but take a closer look.[/quote]

    They are, I had the game on last night and at one point he adjusted them and you could see it was just a sock, not sani and stirrup

  • Frank Mercogliano | June 26, 2007 at 3:13 pm |

    For the MLB.tv conversation…it’s WELL worth it. I’m a Marlins fan in Idaho, and I can watch all the games that way, and I can hook my laptop to my bigscreen and watch it…very good buy.

    Frank

  • Mike Engle | June 26, 2007 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”108877″]For the MLB.tv conversation…it’s WELL worth it. I’m a Marlins fan in Idaho, and I can watch all the games that way, and I can hook my laptop to my bigscreen and watch it…very good buy.

    Frank[/quote]
    A Marlins fan? Wow. I thought you guys were endangered species. Nifty hats though. I have a teal one.

  • Anthony Verna | June 26, 2007 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”108866″]Where did Minna go to? Haven’t seen her post for a while.[/quote]

    I’ve been missing our friend of black and Ed Hochuli, too.

  • Shaftman | June 26, 2007 at 3:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”108881″][quote comment=”108866″]Where did Minna go to? Haven’t seen her post for a while.[/quote]

    I’ve been missing our friend of black and Ed Hochuli, too.[/quote]

    Maybe the dingo ate your baby?

  • Wall of Beef | June 26, 2007 at 3:28 pm |

    Comparing NHL in Phoenix Arizona to possible NHL in Las Vegas just does not work. Sure they are both in the Desert, but one is LAS VEGAS. Its the fastest growing City in the U.S., its always jam packed with tourists, and you can gameble everywhere. The NHL arena would have Gambling in it, thats a ton of revenue for the Team/Owner. Everyone visits Las Vegas, so I would imagine it would have a more substantial market for out of towners to check out a game as well. Plus its a town crying for any pro sports team.

    I would think an NHL team would do fine in Vegas, of it were the only pro sports team in town. People are just hungry for anything Pro there right now. Everyone would probably take a NFL, MLB or a NBA team over an NHL team. But I still think it would do well, if it jumps in on the ground floor.

  • todd krevanchi | June 26, 2007 at 3:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”108883″][quote comment=”108881″][quote comment=”108866″]Where did Minna go to? Haven’t seen her post for a while.[/quote]

    I’ve been missing our friend of black and Ed Hochuli, too.[/quote]

    Maybe the dingo ate your baby?[/quote]

    god i always had a thing for elaine. and she looks even hotter now in her new show…
    i guess you could call me houston today, cuz im all about that cougar.

  • Bryan S | June 26, 2007 at 3:45 pm |

    I know that Japan is usually Jeremy Brahm’s territory, but I found this hard to describe video of Japanese Baseball at its finest…

    What a weird country…

  • Ron | June 26, 2007 at 3:54 pm |
  • Shaftman | June 26, 2007 at 4:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”108898″]Nascar owns the racing numbers.[/quote]

    See post #10

  • Broker75 | June 26, 2007 at 4:16 pm |

    Where I live this is happening on Friday. It might explain a few things..

  • Teebz | June 26, 2007 at 4:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”108885″]Comparing NHL in Phoenix Arizona to possible NHL in Las Vegas just does not work. Sure they are both in the Desert, but one is LAS VEGAS. Its the fastest growing City in the U.S., its always jam packed with tourists, and you can gameble everywhere. The NHL arena would have Gambling in it, thats a ton of revenue for the Team/Owner. Everyone visits Las Vegas, so I would imagine it would have a more substantial market for out of towners to check out a game as well. Plus its a town crying for any pro sports team.

    I would think an NHL team would do fine in Vegas, of it were the only pro sports team in town. People are just hungry for anything Pro there right now. Everyone would probably take a NFL, MLB or a NBA team over an NHL team. But I still think it would do well, if it jumps in on the ground floor.[/quote]

    You’ve quickly summed the three reasons why LV should never have a team:

    1) It is jam-packed with tourists. Tourists go to see tourist things. They don’t go to see NHL hockey unless they are a hockey fan from a non-NHL city. In fact, I would almost guarantee that in places like Miami, Tampa Bay, Nashville, Dallas, and Atlanta there are less than 1000 tourists at each home game.

    2) Gambling and Las Vegas are synonymous. Hockey and Las Vegas are not. Hockey and gambling, unless you’re Rick Tocchet, are not. You don’t find too many people filling slot machines all day and then heading to the hockey rink at night. Especially when most of those people are tourists. And how do you police the players from not gambling? Charles Barkley does it. Michael Jordan did it. Rick Tocchet did it. It’s a vice. Do you think the NHL wants to investigate its players on an on-going basis?

    3) There are already a pile of venues in LV trying to attract people to go. I’m sure you’ve heard of Celine Dion or Sigfried and Roy or Elton John or Wayne Newton or any other marquee show that is spending top dollar to attract people to their shows. It’s the “City That Never Sleeps” for a reason, and that doesn’t bode well for hockey.

    And as a fourth reason: the NHL draws fewer viewers than the Westminster Dog Show. Why would people who have never been exposed to hockey want to start following the game at $70/ticket?

  • possum | June 26, 2007 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”108904″]Where I live this is happening on Friday. It might explain a few things..[/quote]
    Like they say, 3 days before and 3 days after….

  • SWC Susan | June 26, 2007 at 4:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”108763″][quote comment=”108691″]I really don’t like the outline around the numbers on Texas A&M’s new jerseys. It just seems too clunky. Hopefully they will look better in person. I also wonder how Aggie Nation feels about silver being included on the uniforms.[/quote]

    This little piece of aggie Nation likes the reversion to the stripes… and gray has always been an accent color. The unis ofd the last few years have been quite dull in my opinnion. Am missing the aTm on the pants, though. Maybe too cluttered with it. Will research and see if we have ever had both.[/quote]

    Well… I stand corrected, sort of. While gray has always been an accent color for the Aggies, I find no real use of it in the football unis with maybe the exception of some gray pants with a thick maroon stripe in the mid eighties (Kevin Murray 85). I did also find some double maroon stripes on the pants in 80 and 82 (Gary Kubiak). And not really any number outlines.

  • marlowe | June 26, 2007 at 4:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”108821″][quote comment=”108737″][quote comment=”108734″]The Cedar Rapids Bunnies. Everything about that is perfect.[/quote]

    It sure is.

    I’m seriously considering having Ebbets Field Flannels make one of those for me, it’s so perfect.[/quote]

    I agree with all the postive comments on this jersey. However, the style is defintely quite a bit later than 1907. That type of widely spaced pinstriping and the piping just did not exist at that time. Also – where is the collar?[/quote]

    Futhermore – there was no “Bunnies” team in CR in 1907. The Western Assn Bunnies did exist 1896-1899. Thence came the “Rabbits” (1901-1921, Three-I League and Central Assn). Then the Bunnies name was revived (Miss. Valley League) and existed from 1922-1932.

  • Matthew S. | June 26, 2007 at 4:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”108911″][quote comment=”108763″][quote comment=”108691″]I really don’t like the outline around the numbers on Texas A&M’s new jerseys. It just seems too clunky. Hopefully they will look better in person. I also wonder how Aggie Nation feels about silver being included on the uniforms.[/quote]

    This little piece of aggie Nation likes the reversion to the stripes… and gray has always been an accent color. The unis ofd the last few years have been quite dull in my opinnion. Am missing the aTm on the pants, though. Maybe too cluttered with it. Will research and see if we have ever had both.[/quote]

    Well… I stand corrected, sort of. While gray has always been an accent color for the Aggies, I find no real use of it in the football unis with maybe the exception of some gray pants with a thick maroon stripe in the mid eighties (Kevin Murray 85). I did also find some double maroon stripes on the pants in 80 and 82 (Gary Kubiak). And not really any number outlines.[/quote]

    A&M used gray facemasks for a number of years from the early 1960s until 1979. Not exactly a ‘contrast color’ I know, but a history of gray somewhere on the uniform nonetheless.

    Check it out here: http://swchelmets.tr...

    Most picturs are black and white, so you have to take the author’s word, but his information seems correct on everything else.

  • Dave in Minnesota | June 26, 2007 at 4:46 pm |

    New Canucks jersey has been leaked!

    Big props to Le Québécois at Chris Creamer’s SprotsLogos.net Forums for this.

  • DenverGregg | June 26, 2007 at 4:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”108920″]New Canucks jersey has been leaked!

    Big props to Le Québécois at Chris Creamer’s SprotsLogos.net Forums for this.[/quote]
    That’s really funny!

  • Jason G. | June 26, 2007 at 4:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”108920″]New Canucks jersey has been leaked!

    Big props to Le Québécois at Chris Creamer’s SprotsLogos.net Forums for this.[/quote]

    Nice!

  • Broker75 | June 26, 2007 at 4:50 pm |

    I still would love to see the NHL in North-South Dakota, Wisconsin. Maybe…, maybe Seattle. Portland would be cool. There are actual residents in these places. Not tourists. Europe would be amazing, but that’s another topic, and a lot of typing. Alaska??
    As for Europe you would need a whole division over there, then NHL divisions would travel for a week and play them, and vice versa. Too many politics though. But the NHL would make Euro’s off television contracts. There is a lot more explaining for this European-NHL subject, I just touched on it, because you got airfare too..

  • Broker75 | June 26, 2007 at 4:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”108920″]New Canucks jersey has been leaked!

    Big props to Le Québécois at Chris Creamer’s SprotsLogos.net Forums for this.[/quote]
    I doubt it..

  • Chance | June 26, 2007 at 5:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”108914″][quote comment=”108821″][quote comment=”108737″][quote comment=”108734″]The Cedar Rapids Bunnies. Everything about that is perfect.[/quote]

    It sure is.

    I’m seriously considering having Ebbets Field Flannels make one of those for me, it’s so perfect.[/quote]

    I agree with all the postive comments on this jersey. However, the style is defintely quite a bit later than 1907. That type of widely spaced pinstriping and the piping just did not exist at that time. Also – where is the collar?[/quote]

    Futhermore – there was no “Bunnies” team in CR in 1907. The Western Assn Bunnies did exist 1896-1899. Thence came the “Rabbits” (1901-1921, Three-I League and Central Assn). Then the Bunnies name was revived (Miss. Valley League) and existed from 1922-1932.[/quote]
    Darn it, I knew it was too good to be true. Great looking jersey, though. And FWIW, collars had already started to be replaced by 1907. The little cadet collar had already made its appearance in the bigs with the NY Giants.

  • Josh | June 26, 2007 at 5:03 pm |

    Paul,
    I was wondering why you haven’t commented on the Hawks’ new look yet.

  • DenverGregg | June 26, 2007 at 5:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”108924″]I still would love to see the NHL in North-South Dakota, Wisconsin. Maybe…, maybe Seattle. Portland would be cool. There are actual residents in these places. Not tourists. Europe would be amazing, but that’s another topic, and a lot of typing. Alaska??
    As for Europe you would need a whole division over there, then NHL divisions would travel for a week and play them, and vice versa. Too many politics though. But the NHL would make Euro’s off television contracts. There is a lot more explaining for this European-NHL subject, I just touched on it, because you got airfare too..[/quote]
    NHL in the Dakotas? Both Dakotas combined have less population than even a small market like Kansas City, in an area where winter travel can be a bit challenging, and where relatively few have the disposable income for 40 $100/seat games per year. It wouldn’t work at any time in the near future.

    Wisco might work, along with Seattle and Portland.

  • marlowe | June 26, 2007 at 5:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”108929″][quote comment=”108914″][quote comment=”108821″][quote comment=”108737″][quote comment=”108734″]The Cedar Rapids Bunnies. Everything about that is perfect.[/quote]

    It sure is.

    I’m seriously considering having Ebbets Field Flannels make one of those for me, it’s so perfect.[/quote]

    I agree with all the postive comments on this jersey. However, the style is defintely quite a bit later than 1907. That type of widely spaced pinstriping and the piping just did not exist at that time. Also – where is the collar?[/quote]

    Futhermore – there was no “Bunnies” team in CR in 1907. The Western Assn Bunnies did exist 1896-1899. Thence came the “Rabbits” (1901-1921, Three-I League and Central Assn). Then the Bunnies name was revived (Miss. Valley League) and existed from 1922-1932.[/quote]
    Darn it, I knew it was too good to be true. Great looking jersey, though. And FWIW, collars had already started to be replaced by 1907. The little cadet collar had already made its appearance in the bigs with the NY Giants.[/quote]

    Quite true re the Giants – they were the first MLB team to ditch collars (1906).

    In 1907 they were still the only MLB team without collars. Highly unlikely (though possible) that the CR club would not have collars that year. Anyway – all other style points indicate a later year.

  • Mike Engle | June 26, 2007 at 5:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”108932″][quote comment=”108924″]I still would love to see the NHL in North-South Dakota, Wisconsin. Maybe…, maybe Seattle. Portland would be cool. There are actual residents in these places. Not tourists. Europe would be amazing, but that’s another topic, and a lot of typing. Alaska??
    As for Europe you would need a whole division over there, then NHL divisions would travel for a week and play them, and vice versa. Too many politics though. But the NHL would make Euro’s off television contracts. There is a lot more explaining for this European-NHL subject, I just touched on it, because you got airfare too..[/quote]
    NHL in the Dakotas? Both Dakotas combined have less population than even a small market like Kansas City, in an area where winter travel can be a bit challenging, and where relatively few have the disposable income for 40 $100/seat games per year. It wouldn’t work at any time in the near future.

    Wisco might work, along with Seattle and Portland.[/quote]
    If the NHL went back to Seattle and adopted something like these Metropolitans jerseys, I think Mr. Lukas just might have an orgasm…

  • Don | June 26, 2007 at 5:33 pm |

    This Aggie loves the new unis. Drastic improvement. Even white shoes would look good with that gear. (BTW, there was some gray on our most recent basketbal unis.)

    Good call by Minnesota on their helmet decal. Looks nice.

  • schuby | June 26, 2007 at 5:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”108881″][quote comment=”108866″]Where did Minna go to? Haven’t seen her post for a while.[/quote]

    I’ve been missing our friend of black and Ed Hochuli, too.[/quote]

    I’ve been wondering the exact same thing.

  • Brett | June 26, 2007 at 5:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”108872″][quote comment=”108861″]This jersey is from 1939. You can see on the left sleeve patch that it says 1839 on the top left corner. It also says “Baseball Centennial” on the bottom of the patch. I’m not sure what happened for that 100 years. Maybe the inception of baseball in that city?[/quote]

    1839 was when Abner Doubleday supposedly invented baseball, although as I hope you all know that story is long discredited.[/quote]

    That is the same patch that all MLB teams wore in 1939

  • Jeremiah | June 26, 2007 at 5:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”108764″]The NHL might be more serious about Las Vegas than they are about Kansas City.

    That could be, but the Kings have been playing a pre-season game in Las Vegas for several years.[/quote]

    Yep, the game is called “Frozen Fury.” The proceeds go to charity. I went the last couple of seasons. Jeremy Roenick did a little dance during a break in the action to KC and the Sunshine Band. It was pretty weird.

    As for whether or not NHL would work in Las Vegas. People who do not live here often forget it is a city of 1.5 million people with about 2,000-7,000 more coming each month. People do permanently reside here. We do know what sports are in general and hockey is in particular. We already have a Red Wings farm club that plays here and they’re pretty popular.

    As for the gambling question that inevitably comes up: there is no other city in the entire world where gambling is safer than Las Vegas. It is so closely scrutinized by the state gaming commission that if anything even remotely improper was going on, it would be snuffed out immediately. Our city’s very livlihood depends on that. Non-residents don’t understand that. And for David Stern, who has been courted here recently, the gaming issue is just a cop out. The biggest problem is logistical. There is no arena that could play host to a pro team here and (thankfully) the taxpayers refuse to subsidize one for a billionaire owner. Let him pay for it himself.

  • schuby | June 26, 2007 at 5:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”108945″][quote comment=”108872″][quote comment=”108861″]This jersey is from 1939. You can see on the left sleeve patch that it says 1839 on the top left corner. It also says “Baseball Centennial” on the bottom of the patch. I’m not sure what happened for that 100 years. Maybe the inception of baseball in that city?[/quote]

    1839 was when Abner Doubleday supposedly invented baseball, although as I hope you all know that story is long discredited.[/quote]

    That is the same patch that all MLB teams wore in 1939[/quote]

    What was so important in 1839 that all teams wore a patch for, I wonder?

  • UW justin | June 26, 2007 at 5:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”108934″][quote comment=”108932″][quote comment=”108924″]I still would love to see the NHL in North-South Dakota, Wisconsin. Maybe…, maybe Seattle. Portland would be cool. There are actual residents in these places. Not tourists. Europe would be amazing, but that’s another topic, and a lot of typing. Alaska??
    As for Europe you would need a whole division over there, then NHL divisions would travel for a week and play them, and vice versa. Too many politics though. But the NHL would make Euro’s off television contracts. There is a lot more explaining for this European-NHL subject, I just touched on it, because you got airfare too..[/quote]
    NHL in the Dakotas? Both Dakotas combined have less population than even a small market like Kansas City, in an area where winter travel can be a bit challenging, and where relatively few have the disposable income for 40 $100/seat games per year. It wouldn’t work at any time in the near future.

    Wisco might work, along with Seattle and Portland.[/quote]
    If the NHL went back to Seattle and adopted something like these Metropolitans jerseys, I think Mr. Lukas just might have an orgasm…[/quote]

    First US team to win the Stanley Cup.

  • Randy Miller | June 26, 2007 at 6:04 pm |

    You have to remember the Marquette untucked look was relatively calm compared with the Jim Chones-era ‘bumblebee uniforms.’ I don’t have a picture to link to, but I’m sure someone can find a shot of those. Marquette also used the broad stripe with the number in a circle jersey that we saw Tom Izzo wear in an earlier UniWatch.

  • Stuby | June 26, 2007 at 6:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”108947″][quote comment=”108945″][quote comment=”108872″][quote comment=”108861″]This jersey is from 1939. You can see on the left sleeve patch that it says 1839 on the top left corner. It also says “Baseball Centennial” on the bottom of the patch. I’m not sure what happened for that 100 years. Maybe the inception of baseball in that city?[/quote]

    1839 was when Abner Doubleday supposedly invented baseball, although as I hope you all know that story is long discredited.[/quote]

    That is the same patch that all MLB teams wore in 1939[/quote]

    What was so important in 1839 that all teams wore a patch for, I wonder?[/quote]
    See post #127

  • chris | June 26, 2007 at 7:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”108920″]New Canucks jersey has been leaked!

    Big props to Le Québécois at Chris Creamer’s SprotsLogos.net Forums for this.[/quote]

    Those cant be the real jerseys. What team has ever changed uniforms and then included every single color the franchise has ever used in their history

  • Chad G | June 26, 2007 at 7:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”108984″][quote comment=”108920″]New Canucks jersey has been leaked!

    Big props to Le Québécois at Chris Creamer’s SprotsLogos.net Forums for this.[/quote]

    Those cant be the real jerseys. What team has ever changed uniforms and then included every single color the franchise has ever used in their history[/quote]

    I thought it was blatantly obvious, but it’s a joke people, c’mon

  • FriarBolt | June 26, 2007 at 7:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”108783″]Chad G,

    Okay…Then I apologize to Mr. Met. I was wrong. I unfortunately no longer live in NY and only get to see them sparingly on ESPN (such as last night) or when I visit NY.

    Again, I apologize. Mr. Met, no hard feelings? We’re all Mets fans….[/quote]
    We are not all Mets fans. Go PADRES!!

  • Brett | June 26, 2007 at 8:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”108920″]New Canucks jersey has been leaked!

    Big props to Le Québécois at Chris Creamer’s SprotsLogos.net Forums for this.[/quote]
    I was so excited for a second before I opened that link. I don’t mind the orca that much, but the blue and green would make it more appealing. That’s what they talked about doing, right?

  • Mr. Met | June 26, 2007 at 8:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”108993″][quote comment=”108783″]Chad G,

    Okay…Then I apologize to Mr. Met. I was wrong. I unfortunately no longer live in NY and only get to see them sparingly on ESPN (such as last night) or when I visit NY.

    Again, I apologize. Mr. Met, no hard feelings? We’re all Mets fans….[/quote]
    We are not all Mets fans. Go PADRES!![/quote]

    I think he meant that we, as in me, Chad G, Shaftman and Orange and Blue, are all Mets fans. Obviously not everyone on this board is a Mets fan.

  • Sam Mc | June 26, 2007 at 8:53 pm |

    is anyone aware of these?

    http://espn-i.starwa...

  • Mr. Met | June 26, 2007 at 8:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”109025″]is anyone aware of these?

    http://espn-i.starwa...

    Yes.

    Those are their training camp/practice jerseys. Once the regular season begins, rest assured they will be back in their regular unis with regular numbers.

  • Knowlesy47 | June 26, 2007 at 9:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”108946″][quote comment=”108764″]The NHL might be more serious about Las Vegas than they are about Kansas City.

    That could be, but the Kings have been playing a pre-season game in Las Vegas for several years.[/quote]

    Yep, the game is called “Frozen Fury.” The proceeds go to charity. I went the last couple of seasons. Jeremy Roenick did a little dance during a break in the action to KC and the Sunshine Band. It was pretty weird.

    As for whether or not NHL would work in Las Vegas. People who do not live here often forget it is a city of 1.5 million people with about 2,000-7,000 more coming each month. People do permanently reside here. We do know what sports are in general and hockey is in particular. We already have a Red Wings farm club that plays here and they’re pretty popular.

    As for the gambling question that inevitably comes up: there is no other city in the entire world where gambling is safer than Las Vegas. It is so closely scrutinized by the state gaming commission that if anything even remotely improper was going on, it would be snuffed out immediately. Our city’s very livlihood depends on that. Non-residents don’t understand that. And for David Stern, who has been courted here recently, the gaming issue is just a cop out. The biggest problem is logistical. There is no arena that could play host to a pro team here and (thankfully) the taxpayers refuse to subsidize one for a billionaire owner. Let him pay for it himself.[/quote]

    I may be wrong, but I was under the assumption that it was illegal to gamble in Vegas on any team that is located in Vegas, leading to leagues not wanting to locate there because it would be so hard to regulate. I could have sworn I’ve heard that somewhere before.

  • FriarBolt | June 26, 2007 at 9:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”109024″][quote comment=”108993″][quote comment=”108783″]Chad G,

    Okay…Then I apologize to Mr. Met. I was wrong. I unfortunately no longer live in NY and only get to see them sparingly on ESPN (such as last night) or when I visit NY.

    Again, I apologize. Mr. Met, no hard feelings? We’re all Mets fans….[/quote]
    We are not all Mets fans. Go PADRES!![/quote]

    I think he meant that we, as in me, Chad G, Shaftman and Orange and Blue, are all Mets fans. Obviously not everyone on this board is a Mets fan.[/quote]
    I know that. There are times when the board takes on a bit of a Mets theme. I just thought I’d throw that out there as a change of pace. All four of you guys add a great deal to the daily discussions.

  • Flip | June 26, 2007 at 10:03 pm |

    Marquette 77 and 72.

  • Mike Engle | June 26, 2007 at 10:06 pm |

    Watching the Mets/Cardinals game 26 June: add #22 Jose Valentin to the “Orange Under Uni Watch List” along with David Wright. No screen grabs, but trust me on this one.

  • Dave Zalatoris | June 26, 2007 at 10:15 pm |

    Did anyone else notice that Cub catcher Koyie Hill had a Jackie Robinson 42 sticker on the back of his helmet? He wasn’t even in the majors in April on Jackie Robinson Day.

  • Tom K | June 26, 2007 at 10:19 pm |

    Nice to see my name in the entry, 3 and counting

    As for the webs in baseball mitts, i hate the one like the kid in the photo has, but i love the trapeze, back two years ago i bought griffeys signature model glove for HS ball and i still love that thing.

  • Mike Engle | June 26, 2007 at 10:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”109050″]Watching the Mets/Cardinals game 26 June: add #22 Jose Valentin to the “Orange Under Uni Watch List” along with David Wright. No screen grabs, but trust me on this one.[/quote]
    Found this picture from ESPN.com, you can kind of see what I saw.

  • BA | June 26, 2007 at 11:12 pm |

    Some interesting uni-related things about the Dodger’s new everyday first baseman James Loney…

    1. First, he wears a pretty large wooden cross around his neck. I don’t think I have ever seen anything that big hanging from a ball player’s neck during a game.

    2. He also wears Nike batting gloves…with a franlkin hand protector on his bottom (left) hand. Its similar to the one that Jeff Bagwell used to wear.

    3. And lastly, he wears what looks like an Allen Iverson-like sleve on his left arm. (With a Nike swosh)

    Nothing too earth-shattering, but I thought they were interesting. I didn’t find any pics…

  • schuby | June 26, 2007 at 11:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”108958″][quote comment=”108947″][quote comment=”108945″][quote comment=”108872″][quote comment=”108861″]This jersey is from 1939. You can see on the left sleeve patch that it says 1839 on the top left corner. It also says “Baseball Centennial” on the bottom of the patch. I’m not sure what happened for that 100 years. Maybe the inception of baseball in that city?[/quote]

    1839 was when Abner Doubleday supposedly invented baseball, although as I hope you all know that story is long discredited.[/quote]

    That is the same patch that all MLB teams wore in 1939[/quote]

    What was so important in 1839 that all teams wore a patch for, I wonder?[/quote]
    See post #127[/quote]

    That story has been discredited, but are you saying that that’s what they believed back then, or what?

  • Terri | June 26, 2007 at 11:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”109085″][quote comment=”108958″][quote comment=”108947″][quote comment=”108945″][quote comment=”108872″][quote comment=”108861″]This jersey is from 1939. You can see on the left sleeve patch that it says 1839 on the top left corner. It also says “Baseball Centennial” on the bottom of the patch. I’m not sure what happened for that 100 years. Maybe the inception of baseball in that city?[/quote]

    1839 was when Abner Doubleday supposedly invented baseball, although as I hope you all know that story is long discredited.[/quote]

    That is the same patch that all MLB teams wore in 1939[/quote]

    What was so important in 1839 that all teams wore a patch for, I wonder?[/quote]
    See post #127[/quote]

    That story has been discredited, but are you saying that that’s what they believed back then, or what?[/quote]

    Ok, I know the Doubleday story is wrong, but do we know the real story of how baseball was invented?

  • Joey Guns | June 27, 2007 at 12:38 am |

    [quote comment=”109050″]Watching the Mets/Cardinals game 26 June: add #22 Jose Valentin to the “Orange Under Uni Watch List” along with David Wright. No screen grabs, but trust me on this one.[/quote]

    Here’s a tiny glipse

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • Jon in SLC | June 27, 2007 at 1:52 am |

    [quote comment=”108944″][quote comment=”108881″][quote comment=”108866″]Where did Minna go to? Haven’t seen her post for a while.[/quote]

    I’ve been missing our friend of black and Ed Hochuli, too.[/quote]

    I’ve been wondering the exact same thing.[/quote]

    Me too!!!

  • xyz | June 27, 2007 at 7:40 am |

    While Marquettes uni during the championship season of 1977 may not qualify as a thing of beauty, (remember the whole ‘beauty is in the eye of the beholder’ thing) I have to say that they were definately original. Especially the home whites which had the gold arrows on the sides of the jersey (along with Marquette along the bottom) and the gold shorts to match (sort of). We sholdn’t forget the Glenn ‘Doc’ Rivers era of unis that had royal blue, navy blue, yellow and white camoflouge side panels on jersey and shorts. (Sorry no photos but circa 1984-5)

  • Joey Guns | June 27, 2007 at 8:40 am |

    [quote comment=”109224″]While Marquettes uni during the championship season of 1977 may not qualify as a thing of beauty, (remember the whole ‘beauty is in the eye of the beholder’ thing) I have to say that they were definately original. Especially the home whites which had the gold arrows on the sides of the jersey (along with Marquette along the bottom) and the gold shorts to match (sort of). We sholdn’t forget the Glenn ‘Doc’ Rivers era of unis that had royal blue, navy blue, yellow and white camoflouge side panels on jersey and shorts. (Sorry no photos but circa 1984-5)[/quote]

    I thought this was the slogan?

    http://us.st11.yimg....

  • Adam | June 27, 2007 at 9:29 am |

    [quote comment=”109085″][quote comment=”108958″][quote comment=”108947″][quote comment=”108945″][quote comment=”108872″][quote comment=”108861″]This jersey is from 1939. You can see on the left sleeve patch that it says 1839 on the top left corner. It also says “Baseball Centennial” on the bottom of the patch. I’m not sure what happened for that 100 years. Maybe the inception of baseball in that city?[/quote]

    1839 was when Abner Doubleday supposedly invented baseball, although as I hope you all know that story is long discredited.[/quote]

    That is the same patch that all MLB teams wore in 1939[/quote]

    What was so important in 1839 that all teams wore a patch for, I wonder?[/quote]
    See post #127[/quote]

    That story has been discredited, but are you saying that that’s what they believed back then, or what?[/quote]

    Basically, yes. Some people probably knew even back then it wasn’t real, but it was the “official” story. See http://en.wikipedia.... for the full story.

  • Adam | June 27, 2007 at 9:30 am |

    [quote comment=”109091″][quote comment=”109085″][quote comment=”108958″][quote comment=”108947″][quote comment=”108945″][quote comment=”108872″][quote comment=”108861″]This jersey is from 1939. You can see on the left sleeve patch that it says 1839 on the top left corner. It also says “Baseball Centennial” on the bottom of the patch. I’m not sure what happened for that 100 years. Maybe the inception of baseball in that city?[/quote]

    1839 was when Abner Doubleday supposedly invented baseball, although as I hope you all know that story is long discredited.[/quote]

    That is the same patch that all MLB teams wore in 1939[/quote]

    What was so important in 1839 that all teams wore a patch for, I wonder?[/quote]
    See post #127[/quote]

    That story has been discredited, but are you saying that that’s what they believed back then, or what?[/quote]

    Ok, I know the Doubleday story is wrong, but do we know the real story of how baseball was invented?[/quote]

    Not really. From the above wikipedia article: “Jeff Idelson of the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, New York has stated, “Baseball wasn’t really born anywhere,” meaning that the evolution of the game was long and continuous and has no clear, identifiable single origin.”

  • Stache Ranger | June 27, 2007 at 2:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”108852″][quote comment=”108691″]I really don’t like the outline around the numbers on Texas A&M’s new jerseys. It just seems too clunky. Hopefully they will look better in person. I also wonder how Aggie Nation feels about silver being included on the uniforms.[/quote]

    Classic example of “fixing what ain’t broke”.[/quote]

    With the switch from Nike to Adidas, it was time for the Texas A&M uniform to have a little “change.” I imagine we will see a few more updates in the ’08 season by Adidas. The look that A&M’s had the past few years looks like everyone else’s. This will give them a little “identity”

  • Robb | July 3, 2007 at 8:45 pm |

    I’m a Track coach at a High School, and was wondering what everyone’s opinions on corporate sponsors on Uniforms/Athletic Fields. The Corporation is willing to make a sizable donation (75%) of the cost of new unis, they just want their logo (2″x3″ patch) on the uniform top? What are your thoughts?