Ball-ology Revisited

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A few days ago I discussed how the NBA’s new game ball could have potentially wide-ranging implications for the all teams that have balls depicted in their logos. As you may recall, NBA VP Christopher Arena said he didn’t anticipate any immediate logo changes, and he provided a good historical antecedent:

If you look closely at the Celtics logo, you’ll see that the ball is the pre-1970 four-panel ball. They never changed the logo when the ball became eight-panel. The eight-panel basketball is still a basketball, and represents a point in time when the franchise was created, or at least when the logo was created.

That got reader Alex Gordon thinking. For starters, as he points out, “According to the logos over at LogoServer, the Celtics had two versions of their logo in 1968 — one with the four-panel ball depicted and one with an eight-panel ball. Also, I wanted to see what other teams did once the league switched game ball designs in 1970.”

So he started digging. Here’s his analysis:

Interestingly, the Bullets, despite changing their logo from Baltimore to Capital (’73-’74) to Washington (’74-’75), never changed the design of the ball, keeping the old ball design until they became the Wizards. Yet the original Bullets logo from 1963-69 appears to show an eight-panel ball.

The Royals/Kings franchise also seemed to depict a fragment of the old four-panel ball [here are the versions used when the team was in Cincy, KC/Omaha, KC, and Sacramento], even though this logo design wasn’t in use until 1971-72, by which time the eight-panel ball had been introduced.

The logos used by the Sonics in the early 1970s and from the mid-’70s through the mid-’90s, and by the Jazz — first in New Orleans and then in Utah — also appear to depict a four-panel rather than eight-panel ball.

There seem to be other pre-1970 anomalies in which an eight-panel
design appears, even though the league had not yet adopted that game ball. These include late-1960s Bucks, the 1960 Mpls. Lakers, and the late-1960s Suns.

Lastly, why was the old Philadelphia Warrior forced to dribble what appears
to be a water polo ball back in the late 1940s? [Note that the ball was updated in the 1950s. -- PL]

It’s worth noting that just because a logo is listed on a web site as “Celtics, 1968″ (or whatever), that doesn’t mean that was the exact logo used in that year. Logos are often updated and then retroactively relabeled, passed around the web, and so on, and we don’t know if these logos were scanned from, say, an original yearbook or just downloaded from less primary source. But Gordon’s research is interesting, and appears to indicate that the NBA’s ball design and logo designs tend to develop independently of each other. Good stuff.

Next project: Someone go research all the ball-inclusive ABA logos (like the excellent Oakland Oaks mark shown above).

Uni Watch News Ticker: The Wizards unveiled their new alternate uni last night, complete with odd shoulder striping and shorts that don’t match the jersey. For some reason I find them more amusing than awful, and I kinda like how the shoulder stripes echo the franchise’s old Bullets-era design. … Keyshawn Johnson appears to be tying his jersey collar to his shoulder pads, and the shoelace he’s using (or strap, or whatever) is running right through his NFL Equipment logo patch (here’s a closer look). … You can get a sneak peek at FSU’s solid-black alternate uni, slated to debut this Saturday, toward the end of this video clip (with thanks to BJ Lanier). … Yesterday I jokingly suggested that Endy Chavez might have been wearing a nicotine patch, although I figured it was just a Band-Aid. Turns out it may actually have been a performance accessory, though, because Brian Terreson points out that Phiten — the same company that makes those annoying titanium necklaces that everyone’s now wearing — also makes these little adhesive titanium patch thingies, and it looks like that’s what Chavez was wearing. Bizarre. … Another NCAA football team with an asymmetrical helmet design: D3 Wesleyan. In an odd development, the school is celebrating its 175th anniversary, so the gridders have “175 Years” on the left side, while the right side is blank. Yes, I know I had previously excluded teams from this discussion if they had one blank side, instead of two distinct decals, but this one is so unusual that it deserves to be included. (Thanks to current Wesleyan sophomore Chris Choi for this info.). … Wanna own 13 pairs of stirrups very similar to the one depicted in the Uni Watch logo (and if you don’t, you really need to reconsider your priorities)? Look here. (Thanks to Tom Langan for the tip.) … Interesting note from Randy Miller, who writes: “I was watching an old Bud Greenspan-style documentary on the 1968 Olympics, and they showed a soccer finals match between Bulgaria and Hungary. The Bulgarian team (I think) wore a serifed number font I’d never seen before and it featured a European 7, the one with the line through the middle of it. Just curious if you’d ever seen or heard of a European 7 being used on a uniform before.” I never have. Anyone else..? … New York Times engaged in a bit of political uni watching yesterday. … Jeremy Brahm notes that the American gymnastics team at the 2006 FIG Artistic World Championships is wearing fuchsia, which has caused such a ruckus that it’s actually mentioned in the lead sentence of this article (plus there’s more discussion of the unis farther down in the piece). … Brahm also has his customary Japanese baseball report. Today’s installment: Waseda University’s baseball team uses different font sizes for uni Nos. 1 and 11. … Oops.

 

172 comments to Ball-ology Revisited

  • Joe Hilseberg | October 20, 2006 at 9:07 am |

    I’m so excited about a world series that is free of black trim! The Cards took “ditch the black” a little to literally for the most of you.

    Go Tigers!

  • matt in the nati | October 20, 2006 at 9:08 am |

    first and bummed… but i still love baseball… i guess its hockey season for me now

  • Kevin | October 20, 2006 at 9:10 am |

    Go Cards!

    Nice series Mets, I have to admit I was getting nervous in the 9th, but luckily Wainwright came through with his sick curveball.

  • Kevin | October 20, 2006 at 9:12 am |

    [quote comment="15227"]first and bummed… but i still love baseball… i guess its hockey season for me now[/quote]

    My condolences….but at least you have your priorities right. It’s always hockey season for me. Baseball is just a bonus this time of year.

  • bobbyd | October 20, 2006 at 9:12 am |

    Those black FSU uni’s are sick….as in traditional meaning, terrible…esp that goofy undershirt Nike has designed…what is that nonsense?

    The Seminole Nation might just take away their blessing about the nickname w/ this design….

    Two thumbs down!

  • Richard | October 20, 2006 at 9:18 am |

    [quote comment="15231"]Those black FSU uni’s are sick….as in traditional meaning, terrible…esp that goofy undershirt Nike has designed…what is that nonsense?

    The Seminole Nation might just take away their blessing about the nickname w/ this design….

    Two thumbs down![/quote]

    The Noles jersey looks green when you put that gold jersey underneath it. Now a black jersey underneath it would have been a better choice…

  • matt in the nati | October 20, 2006 at 9:18 am |

    wonder if Matt Foy got that stick using one of these

  • Chris Doran | October 20, 2006 at 9:19 am |

    Paul,

    Looks like you still have long road ahead to Ditch The Black.

    Cards locker room shirt…RED
    Tigers locker room shirt…BLUE
    Mets Locker room shirt… BLACK

  • Ben | October 20, 2006 at 9:30 am |

    Jose Reyes has some serious shoe stock in the bottom of his locker.

  • matt in the nati | October 20, 2006 at 9:32 am |

    does that happen often?

  • Andy Head | October 20, 2006 at 9:34 am |

    Anyone else catch the Fox broadcast of Game 7 last night and notice how Joe Buck and the other guy started talking about how these players had been “pulling on their sanitary socks” and other stuff for 7.5 months (I think it was in the 6th, but I won’t swear to that)? They made a comment about how you can almost never see the sanis any more because of the pajama pants epidemic, and then the camera guys tried to find a visible stirrup/sani. The closest thing they found was a faux stirrup on a Cardinal that was only showing about an inch.

  • Natron | October 20, 2006 at 9:35 am |

    Think MLB would actually ship those Mets ALCS champ hats, or would they cancel the orders?

    Might be an investment opportunity if you can get your mitts on one.

  • MetsFan AZ | October 20, 2006 at 9:35 am |

    [quote comment="15235"]Jose Reyes has some serious shoe stock in the bottom of his locker.[/quote]
    congrats to the cards. in that picture, Floyd (who should have bunted) looks like he is wearing footie PJ’s.

  • Ben | October 20, 2006 at 9:38 am |

    [quote comment="15237"]does that happen often?[/quote]

    More often than you would think. 2004 American League Champions.

  • MetsFan AZ | October 20, 2006 at 9:39 am |

    [quote comment="15240"]Think MLB would actually ship those Mets ALCS champ hats, or would they cancel the orders?

    Might be an investment opportunity if you can get your mitts on one.[/quote]
    Mets “A”LCS hats would be a collector’s item. i think that stuff either gets destroyed or shipped off to other countries in need of clothing. somewhere in a third world country someone has a buffalo bills 4-Time Super Bowl champs t-shirt.

  • Richard | October 20, 2006 at 9:40 am |

    [quote comment="15239"]Anyone else catch the Fox broadcast of Game 7 last night and notice how Joe Buck and the other guy started talking about how these players had been “pulling on their sanitary socks” and other stuff for 7.5 months (I think it was in the 6th, but I won’t swear to that)? They made a comment about how you can almost never see the sanis any more because of the pajama pants epidemic, and then the camera guys tried to find a visible stirrup/sani. The closest thing they found was a faux stirrup on a Cardinal that was only showing about an inch.[/quote]

    “the other guy”…You mean Tim McCarver?
    gee

  • Robert | October 20, 2006 at 9:41 am |

    Call me crazy, but I really like the Wizards’ alts. They would not be a good primary look, but as an alt they are great.

    I am a big fan (perhaps the only one) of the shorts-being-a-different-color-than-the-jersey look.

  • DJ | October 20, 2006 at 9:42 am |

    I’d never seen before and it featured a European 7, the one with the line through the middle of it. Just curious if you’d ever seen or heard of a European 7 being used on a uniform before

    I think Bayern Munchen’s uniforms use it. I’m afraid I don’t have a link or photo, though…

  • Burrill | October 20, 2006 at 9:43 am |

    Mismatched sleeves at the high school level.

  • dchis | October 20, 2006 at 9:45 am |

    [quote comment="15244"][quote comment="15239"]Anyone else catch the Fox broadcast of Game 7 last night and notice how Joe Buck and the other guy started talking about how these players had been “pulling on their sanitary socks” and other stuff for 7.5 months (I think it was in the 6th, but I won’t swear to that)? They made a comment about how you can almost never see the sanis any more because of the pajama pants epidemic, and then the camera guys tried to find a visible stirrup/sani. The closest thing they found was a faux stirrup on a Cardinal that was only showing about an inch.[/quote]

    “the other guy”…You mean Tim McCarver?
    gee[/quote]

    Tim McCarver should be referred to as the other guy. That man is an idiot.

  • LunchBox | October 20, 2006 at 9:45 am |

    Since we’re talking World Series, I think this is a preview of what we will see.

  • Natron | October 20, 2006 at 9:48 am |

    [quote comment="15243"][quote comment="15240"]Think MLB would actually ship those Mets ALCS champ hats, or would they cancel the orders?

    Might be an investment opportunity if you can get your mitts on one.[/quote]
    Mets “A”LCS hats would be a collector’s item. i think that stuff either gets destroyed or shipped off to other countries in need of clothing. somewhere in a third world country someone has a buffalo bills 4-Time Super Bowl champs t-shirt.[/quote]

    Whoops… That’s what happens when you live in an American League town!

    NLCS of course.

  • nybatt | October 20, 2006 at 9:49 am |

    I posted the question over on cris creamer’s boards regarding the giant/cowboy game monday night… I was hoping to see “my” giants in their classic road whites on monday night… thinking the cowboys might break out their throwbacks for the prime-time game… I know all about them blowing the game last year in the t-backs versus washington on monday night…

    then on the NFLN yesterday they showed #81 on his cell with the white throwback helmets hanging in everyone’s lockers behind him…. could dallas be planning on wearing them monday night??

    screw dallas, I just want to see the giants actually wear white in dallas… which I don’t believe has ever happened before…

  • Daniel | October 20, 2006 at 9:50 am |

    Call me crazy, but I really like the Wizards’ alts. They would not be a good primary look, but as an alt they are great.

    I am a big fan (perhaps the only one) of the shorts-being-a-different-color-than-the-jersey look.

    Yeah, I think they’re ok too. It wouldn’t look good if they had gold pants. Do the Kings wear gold pants with their gold jerseys?

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | October 20, 2006 at 9:51 am |

    is it just me, or has the hoop team in washington lost its mind…
    the name “washington wizards” and now those new alternte jerseys remind me of the name and uniform of the opponent of a globetrotter-type team… you know the jobber type opponent who is just supposed to go out there and make the main attraction look good…

    i cant believe that there was a meeting with a design team and management, and someone in that meeting said, “you know i really like this one.” then like 2 other guys said, “you know, youre right!” and “i agree, lets go with the black and gold 2 tone.”

    along the same topic, would the unseld era bullets be the last team to have a jersey that was not predominantly the primary color of the uni?
    http://www.umm.edu/o...
    how bout the chicago stags (bulls wore those a few times last year)?
    http://espn.go.com/m...
    http://www.nba.com/m...
    how about the 66 sixers?
    http://www.onthefiel...
    http://www.fanzz.com...

  • Matt | October 20, 2006 at 9:54 am |

    I tempted to buy on of those league champions Mets hats as a collectors item, but at the same time I don’t want to live through the pain of having to look at it…

  • Matthew | October 20, 2006 at 9:56 am |

    [quote comment="15240"]Think MLB would actually ship those Mets NLCS champ hats, or would they cancel the orders?

    Might be an investment opportunity if you can get your mitts on one.[/quote]

    I used to have a “1994 NBA Champion” New York Knicks shirt. They make ‘em, and gotta do something with them.

    What I’d really like now is the Mets hat with the WS patch.

  • Richard | October 20, 2006 at 9:58 am |

    [quote comment="15245"]Call me crazy, but I really like the Wizards’ alts. They would not be a good primary look, but as an alt they are great.

    I am a big fan (perhaps the only one) of the shorts-being-a-different-color-than-the-jersey look.[/quote]

    CRAZY

    they look horrible. can’t believe they went with a mis-matched look. and if they were going to pay homage to the Bullets, those top stripes are not the way to go…

  • Jonathan | October 20, 2006 at 10:01 am |

    [quote comment="15248"][quote comment="15244"][quote comment="15239"]Anyone else catch the Fox broadcast of Game 7 last night and notice how Joe Buck and the other guy started talking about how these players had been “pulling on their sanitary socks” and other stuff for 7.5 months (I think it was in the 6th, but I won’t swear to that)? They made a comment about how you can almost never see the sanis any more because of the pajama pants epidemic, and then the camera guys tried to find a visible stirrup/sani. The closest thing they found was a faux stirrup on a Cardinal that was only showing about an inch.[/quote]

    “the other guy”…You mean Tim McCarver?
    gee[/quote]

    Tim McCarver should be referred to as the other guy. That man is an idiot.[/quote]

    I never understood the McCarver hating . . . He’s a very good analyst and he tells you things you wouldn’t necessarily know if you’re only a casual fan. He made a point on Wednesday (I think) about how on a 2-2 pitch with the runner going, even a pitch down the middle of the plate might get called a ball because of the catcher jumping out of his crouch.

    A lot of other analysts (I’m looking at YOU, Joe Morgan) would simply have told us that the pitch was a cutter (or “a little slide piece”) and that the runner stole that off the pitcher or that the catcher didn’t have a good ball to throw or some other pointless drivel.

    Is Tim McCarver overbearing, yes. Does he talk too much, probably. Does he try to make jokes when he isn’t funny, CLEARLY. But as analysts go, He, Jerry Remy and the now retired Jim Kaat rank 1-2-3 in my book (sorry Psycho Lyons!)

  • Jonathan | October 20, 2006 at 10:06 am |

    Just to make my McCarver defense more relevant to our general thesis here . .

    He looked great in the Phillies baby blues and wore his stirrups the right way!

  • Dan from PC | October 20, 2006 at 10:06 am |

    as far as McCarver is concerned…its pretty embarrassing when he refers to the best player in baseball as Luis Pujols on 2 different occaisions this year, as well as calling Endy Chavez “Eric Chavex” last night…the man may make some salient points, but hes a mess most of the time

  • JohnnyG83 | October 20, 2006 at 10:07 am |

    Despite the font error, I dig those Waseda U. uniforms.

    And on the Wizards, out me down for a “hell no.”

  • DJ | October 20, 2006 at 10:09 am |

    Now I have a picture: Mehmet Scholl’s jersey is on sale at the Bayern Munchen team shop:

  • DJ | October 20, 2006 at 10:10 am |

    Darn it!!! Too stupid to link!!!

    http://auktion.fcbay...

    At least this shows the address…

  • Jason | October 20, 2006 at 10:15 am |

    I apologize if this was already discussed, but will the NBA be changing the championship trophy to reflect the new ball?

    Also I own a 1993 Michigan National Champs t-shirt (hoops). Chris Webber refused to sign it at an autograph signing. I suppose that would be expected, though.

  • dchis | October 20, 2006 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment="15259"][quote comment="15248"][quote comment="15244"][quote comment="15239"]Anyone else catch the Fox broadcast of Game 7 last night and notice how Joe Buck and the other guy started talking about how these players had been “pulling on their sanitary socks” and other stuff for 7.5 months (I think it was in the 6th, but I won’t swear to that)? They made a comment about how you can almost never see the sanis any more because of the pajama pants epidemic, and then the camera guys tried to find a visible stirrup/sani. The closest thing they found was a faux stirrup on a Cardinal that was only showing about an inch.[/quote]

    “the other guy”…You mean Tim McCarver?
    gee[/quote]

    Tim McCarver should be referred to as the other guy. That man is an idiot.[/quote]

    I never understood the McCarver hating . . . He’s a very good analyst and he tells you things you wouldn’t necessarily know if you’re only a casual fan. He made a point on Wednesday (I think) about how on a 2-2 pitch with the runner going, even a pitch down the middle of the plate might get called a ball because of the catcher jumping out of his crouch.

    A lot of other analysts (I’m looking at YOU, Joe Morgan) would simply have told us that the pitch was a cutter (or “a little slide piece”) and that the runner stole that off the pitcher or that the catcher didn’t have a good ball to throw or some other pointless drivel.

    Is Tim McCarver overbearing, yes. Does he talk too much, probably. Does he try to make jokes when he isn’t funny, CLEARLY. But as analysts go, He, Jerry Remy and the now retired Jim Kaat rank 1-2-3 in my book (sorry Psycho Lyons!)[/quote]

    Yes I agree with you on Joe Morgan. He is a terrible broadcaster, just terrible. Here is a great website about how I feel about Morgan. McCarver has his own site like it too. But McCarver is not a good broadcaster. He is ridiculously stupid. Here are some great quotes he had in lasts night game.

    Top 2nd: “If Oliver Perez throws in the succeeding innings like he did in the first, you might not need the bullpen early.” Uhh DUH!!

    Bottom 3rd: “What you’re about to see is one of the most important statistics in baseball. During the 2006 season, if a runner reaches base with no outs, he scores 43 percent of the time. With one out, 30 percent of the time. With two outs, 15 percent of the time. A dramatic, dramatic difference,” Wouldn’t anybody who knew anything about baseball understand that a player on the basepaths with less than one out has a better chance than a player that got on with one or two outs. It’s obvious.

    Bottom 4 to Top 5: McCarver had a couple different quotes in this range. Here are 2: “Nothing in baseball can quiet a crowd like good pitching.”

    “Well, David Eckstein, like most of us, has 20 digits. Ten fingers, ten toes.” What?!?!?

    Top 8 (while raining): “Something to keep in mind — it’s raining lightly. The infield could be very wet on ground balls.” Of course the ground balls will get wet!!!!

    This is all just from one game. The man is a complete moron. He never ever adds to the broadcast of the game or to the game itself. It’s sad that people like this get these jobs. Isn’t it enough that he played baseball for a living and got paid big bucks, but don’t let them take good paying jobs away from people who could do the job much better.

  • MetsFan AZ | October 20, 2006 at 10:20 am |

    [quote comment="15266"]I apologize if this was already discussed, but will the NBA be changing the championship trophy to reflect the new ball?

    Also I own a 1993 Michigan National Champs t-shirt (hoops). Chris Webber refused to sign it at an autograph signing. I suppose that would be expected, though.[/quote]
    Maybe he just wanted a time-out

  • Kenny | October 20, 2006 at 10:28 am |

    FROM YESTERDAY’S POST:
    [quote comment="15223"][quote comment="15217"]I hate the cardinals.[/quote]

    They hate you too. Seriously, why all the hate for the Birds?

    What a great game and great series. Rolen came through after being robbed and throwing a souvenier to a fan in the stands. Seriously, that was the best catch I’ve ever seen, and I’ve been watching Edmonds play CF the past few seasons, so that is saying a lot. Way to go Molina! After the crappy year at the plate, that has to feel good.

    And to top it off, Cardinal killer Carlos Beltran strikes out LOOKING with the bases loaded to end the game. Nice work, buddy.

    Go Cards![/quote]

    I’m right there with you Kevin…that catch by Chavez was pretty amazing…I jumped out of the booth at the bar cuz Rolen finally got a hold of one and then just stood there and said WOW, great catch and I agree with whoever said that should be up there for play of the year

    oh and Wainwright’s curve is sick, but I prefer to call it filthy

    i’m smellin’ another 7 game series…and it’s gonna be cold in Detroit so it’s a good thing the Cards have some hot Soup!!!

  • dchis | October 20, 2006 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment="15270"]FROM YESTERDAY’S POST:
    [quote comment="15223"][quote comment="15217"]I hate the cardinals.[/quote]

    They hate you too. Seriously, why all the hate for the Birds?

    What a great game and great series. Rolen came through after being robbed and throwing a souvenier to a fan in the stands. Seriously, that was the best catch I’ve ever seen, and I’ve been watching Edmonds play CF the past few seasons, so that is saying a lot. Way to go Molina! After the crappy year at the plate, that has to feel good.

    And to top it off, Cardinal killer Carlos Beltran strikes out LOOKING with the bases loaded to end the game. Nice work, buddy.

    Go Cards![/quote]

    I’m right there with you Kevin…that catch by Chavez was pretty amazing…I jumped out of the booth at the bar cuz Rolen finally got a hold of one and then just stood there and said WOW, great catch and I agree with whoever said that should be up there for play of the year

    oh and Wainwright’s curve is sick, but I prefer to call it filthy

    i’m smellin’ another 7 game series…and it’s gonna be cold in Detroit so it’s a good thing the Cards have some hot Soup!!![/quote]

    So why will the Cards be able to take it to game 7? Their pitching and hitting is worse than Detroit’s. I just don’t see this getting to game 7. Getting to game 6 a possibility but that’s even a stretch.

  • Clevo | October 20, 2006 at 10:31 am |

    How can you hate McCarver? HE WAS STEVE CARLTON’S PERSONAL CATCHER!!!

    “Go back behind the plate, the only thing you know about pitching is that you can’t hit it.”- Bob Gibson, to Tim McCarver

  • Kenny | October 20, 2006 at 10:33 am |

    What in God’s name was Larry Brown thinking???

  • Patrick W. | October 20, 2006 at 10:34 am |

    I just saw the something really scary on Chris Cremers forum, Orange “Halloween” Pumpkin practice jerseys for the San Jose Sharks. Spooky!!!

  • dchis | October 20, 2006 at 10:35 am |

    [quote comment="15272"]How can you hate McCarver? HE WAS STEVE CARLTON’S PERSONAL CATCHER!!!

    “Go back behind the plate, the only thing you know about pitching is that you can’t hit it.”- Bob Gibson, to Tim McCarver[/quote]

    Never said I have a problem with McCarver as a baseball player. He is a terrible broadcaster. That’s my beef with him, as a broadcaster not a player.

  • Chris | October 20, 2006 at 10:39 am |

    Does anybody have a link to the new Wizards alt. uniforms?

  • Max Dugan | October 20, 2006 at 10:44 am |
  • Richard | October 20, 2006 at 10:46 am |

    [quote comment="15277"]Does anybody have a link to the new Wizards alt. uniforms?[/quote]

    NEW DANCER ALT. UNIFORMS TOO

  • Kevin | October 20, 2006 at 10:46 am |

    [quote comment="15271"]

    So why will the Cards be able to take it to game 7? Their pitching and hitting is worse than Detroit’s. I just don’t see this getting to game 7. Getting to game 6 a possibility but that’s even a stretch.[/quote]

    Hmmm, didn’t every “expert” on the planet say the same thing about the NLCS? We know how that turned out.

  • Phil | October 20, 2006 at 10:49 am |

    [quote comment="15272"]How can you hate McCarver? HE WAS STEVE CARLTON’S PERSONAL CATCHER!!!

    “Go back behind the plate, the only thing you know about pitching is that you can’t hit it.”- Bob Gibson, to Tim McCarver[/quote]
    And if Bob Gibson said it, I’ll bet McCarver said yes sir, and went back behind the plate.

  • Clevo | October 20, 2006 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment="15275"][quote comment="15272"]How can you hate McCarver? HE WAS STEVE CARLTON’S PERSONAL CATCHER!!!

    “Go back behind the plate, the only thing you know about pitching is that you can’t hit it.”- Bob Gibson, to Tim McCarver[/quote]

    Never said I have a problem with McCarver as a baseball player. He is a terrible broadcaster. That’s my beef with him, as a broadcaster not a player.[/quote]

    sorry, I had a little (sarcasm) sidenote and took it out. I cant stand TM, and him telling anyone who will listen that he was Carlton’s personal catcher got old after the first couple hundred times I have heard him say it.

  • dchis | October 20, 2006 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment="15282"][quote comment="15271"]

    So why will the Cards be able to take it to game 7? Their pitching and hitting is worse than Detroit’s. I just don’t see this getting to game 7. Getting to game 6 a possibility but that’s even a stretch.[/quote]

    Hmmm, didn’t every “expert” on the planet say the same thing about the NLCS? We know how that turned out.[/quote]

    Yes they did. But honestly I thought that Cardinal would win it because they have enough bats to match up with the Mets bats and by far had superior pitching. Against the Tigers they don’t have enough bats to match the Tigers order and their pitching staff is not as strong as the Tigers. Those two things add up to losses. Look at the 2004 World Series. Experts predicted that the Cardinals would do well against the Red Sox because they could pitch and hit just as well, but those analyst were just flat wrong just like in the NLCS. The Cardinals could pitch way better than the Mets and could hit just as well. But they don’t have those advantages against the Tigers.

  • Richard | October 20, 2006 at 10:52 am |

    and when did the C’s add the shamrock permanently to the back top of the uniform?

    see here on Al Jefferson

  • Banker Bill | October 20, 2006 at 10:57 am |

    Well, the Mets proved last night that great unis and an inspired performance by a pitcher that NOBODY thought would get past two innings are worthless IF YOU DON’T SWING THE @%#$@ING BATS!

    Go Tigers. Belliard’s still a thug, and Jim Edmonds looks like Mr. Ed.

  • Banker Bill | October 20, 2006 at 11:01 am |

    [quote comment="15290"]Well, the Mets proved last night that great unis and an inspired performance by a pitcher that NOBODY thought would get past two innings are worthless IF YOU DON’T SWING THE @%#$@ING BATS!

    Go Tigers. Belliard’s still a thug, and Jim Edmonds looks like Mr. Ed.[/quote]

    And another thing – I agree with everyone else – on to hockey season – I can concentrate on the Rangers now. Caught the Devs/Preds last night on commercials of the ball game – the Preds whites may just be my favorite NHL jersey (or sweater for the old-school who offend easily)

  • jimmywags | October 20, 2006 at 11:03 am |

    One more college team with different logos on each side of the helmet. Missouri for one year (1990, I think) had a special 100th football season logo on the right side, and the white ‘M’ they had been using for many years on the right side. The Helmet Project has a graphic. I’m looking for a photo.

  • Tricia | October 20, 2006 at 11:05 am |

    Did the link change for the picture of Matt Foy’s stick? I get a picture of a Thrashers/Capitals game, and Foy has only ever played for the Wild.

  • Paul Lukas | October 20, 2006 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment="15289"]and when did the C’s add the shamrock permanently to the back top of the uniform?

    see here on Al Jefferson[/quote]

    New for this season. Just in case you couldn’t tell that Al Jefferson is Irish.

  • Cotton | October 20, 2006 at 11:07 am |

    I think that’s the real tragedy here. If the Mets could have pulled it out, they might mave permanently gone with the blue hats and pinstripes.

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | October 20, 2006 at 11:08 am |

    bang all you want on morgan and mccarver… at least they add situational insight…
    the real captain obvious is john madden… that guy does a game like he is talking to people who are watching football for the first time in their lives… i feel like a dipshit when i watch a game he does… like its remedial football…

    dont get me started on duke vitale either…

  • Paul Lukas | October 20, 2006 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment="15293"]Did the link change for the picture of Matt Foy’s stick? I get a picture of a Thrashers/Capitals game, and Foy has only ever played for the Wild.[/quote]

    Damn — the URL did indeed change (or, rather, the photo pegged to that URL changed), and now I can’t find the other photo. I’ve removed that item from the ticker.

  • kris | October 20, 2006 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment="15273"]What in God’s name was Larry Brown thinking???[/quote]

    This is The Right Way to wear a sweater?

  • a arauz | October 20, 2006 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment="15252"]I posted the question over on cris creamer’s boards regarding the giant/cowboy game monday night… I was hoping to see “my” giants in their classic road whites on monday night… thinking the cowboys might break out their throwbacks for the prime-time game… I know all about them blowing the game last year in the t-backs versus washington on monday night…

    then on the NFLN yesterday they showed #81 on his cell with the white throwback helmets hanging in everyone’s lockers behind him…. could dallas be planning on wearing them monday night??

    screw dallas, I just want to see the giants actually wear white in dallas… which I don’t believe has ever happened before…[/quote]
    If the Cowgirls go w/ Throwbacks, maybe the our Giants be red?

  • Joe Hilseberg | October 20, 2006 at 11:12 am |

    Wizards alt uni….HATE the gold, HATE the reflective/blinding material, LOVE the stars on the shoulders and LOVE the typeography on the front.

    Any jersey that has no reference to that stupid wavy “W”, and get’s rid of the ugliest shade of blue I have ever seen is OK with me. And I agree with Todd, I have no clue how a team of semi-smart people sat in a room and looked at that logo and said, “We must pick this one…the people will rejoice!”

  • Paul Lukas | October 20, 2006 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment="15266"]I apologize if this was already discussed, but will the NBA be changing the championship trophy to reflect the new ball?[/quote]

    I just asked the NBA. Their answer: “No.”

  • dchis | October 20, 2006 at 11:17 am |

    [quote comment="15296"]bang all you want on morgan and mccarver… at least they add situational insight…
    the real captain obvious is john madden… that guy does a game like he is talking to people who are watching football for the first time in their lives… i feel like a dipshit when i watch a game he does… like its remedial football…

    dont get me started on duke vitale either…[/quote]

    Agreed that John Madden well needs to retire from color commentating. He never gives new insight to the games. But when do Morgan and McCarver add situational insight?

  • Kevin | October 20, 2006 at 11:18 am |

    [quote comment="15290"]Well, the Mets proved last night that great unis and an inspired performance by a pitcher that NOBODY thought would get past two innings are worthless IF YOU DON’T SWING THE @%#$@ING BATS!

    Go Tigers. Belliard’s still a thug, and Jim Edmonds looks like Mr. Ed.[/quote]

    Yeah, well that thug and Mr. Ed are in the World Series. I for one am glad we don’t have to hear about how much Jose Reyes “loves to play the game” and about Carlos Beltran’s ’69 Camaro.

  • a arauz | October 20, 2006 at 11:18 am |

    [quote comment="15265"]Darn it!!! Too stupid to link!!!

    http://auktion.fcbay...

    At least this shows the address…[/quote]
    Right, your linking onto a current example, I thought the exercise was to locate a 50’s-60’s example. I remember seeing old footage of european football and the euro styled 7 was pretty much a common thing at the time, especially in the soviet bloc countries ie: Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Yugo. et al

  • Joe M. | October 20, 2006 at 11:22 am |

    [quote comment="15298"][quote comment="15273"]What in God’s name was Larry Brown thinking???[/quote]

    This is The Right Way to wear a sweater?[/quote]

    Better that sweater than some of the 70’s era suits some coaches wore during that time.

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | October 20, 2006 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment="15302"][quote comment="15296"]bang all you want on morgan and mccarver… at least they add situational insight…
    the real captain obvious is john madden… that guy does a game like he is talking to people who are watching football for the first time in their lives… i feel like a dipshit when i watch a game he does… like its remedial football…

    dont get me started on duke vitale either…[/quote]

    Agreed that John Madden well needs to retire from color commentating. He never gives new insight to the games. But when do Morgan and McCarver add situational insight?[/quote]

    maybe situational insight wasnt the best of terms. what im looking at is they at least add the “why this happened”, “the knowledge behind the game decisions and how the decision comes into play 2 batters from now” and type of insight. madden just tells me that player x “just looks like a football player” or that “the reason a running back was able to get the first down on 3rd and 2 is because the tackle was blocking”…

  • a arauz | October 20, 2006 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment="15273"]What in God’s name was Larry Brown thinking???[/quote]
    that remember the ABA site is awesome, i’ve been schooling myself in that site for the past 5 years. And I’ll repeat my post from last night:
    Kitties in 4, nah, make that 5 –i’m feeling a bit more generous this morning.

  • Kenny | October 20, 2006 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment="15288"][quote comment="15282"][quote comment="15271"]

    So why will the Cards be able to take it to game 7? Their pitching and hitting is worse than Detroit’s. I just don’t see this getting to game 7. Getting to game 6 a possibility but that’s even a stretch.[/quote]

    Hmmm, didn’t every “expert” on the planet say the same thing about the NLCS? We know how that turned out.[/quote]

    Yes they did. But honestly I thought that Cardinal would win it because they have enough bats to match up with the Mets bats and by far had superior pitching. Against the Tigers they don’t have enough bats to match the Tigers order and their pitching staff is not as strong as the Tigers. Those two things add up to losses. Look at the 2004 World Series. Experts predicted that the Cardinals would do well against the Red Sox because they could pitch and hit just as well, but those analyst were just flat wrong just like in the NLCS. The Cardinals could pitch way better than the Mets and could hit just as well. But they don’t have those advantages against the Tigers.[/quote]

    Well the pitching for the Cards this postseason has been a pleasant surprise…they didn’t well at all, except for in clutch situations and even then it didn’t happen that much…I think the Cards are playing with little pressure on their shoulders unlike the last couple of years

    They also weren’t supposed to be able to contain a potent Mets line-up…weird thinga happen in the playoffs (i.e. BoSox in ’04)

  • Kenny | October 20, 2006 at 11:36 am |

    [quote comment="15307"][quote comment="15302"][quote comment="15296"]bang all you want on morgan and mccarver… at least they add situational insight…
    the real captain obvious is john madden… that guy does a game like he is talking to people who are watching football for the first time in their lives… i feel like a dipshit when i watch a game he does… like its remedial football…

    dont get me started on duke vitale either…[/quote]

    Agreed that John Madden well needs to retire from color commentating. He never gives new insight to the games. But when do Morgan and McCarver add situational insight?[/quote]

    maybe situational insight wasnt the best of terms. what im looking at is they at least add the “why this happened”, “the knowledge behind the game decisions and how the decision comes into play 2 batters from now” and type of insight. madden just tells me that player x “just looks like a football player” or that “the reason a running back was able to get the first down on 3rd and 2 is because the tackle was blocking”…[/quote]

    2 words come to mind about McCarver…Derek Jeter
    2 words come to mind about Madden…Brett Favre

    Biggest man crush’s in their respective sport

    Also any thoughts about Harold Reynolds going to FOX and Lyons joining ESPN?

  • Alex | October 20, 2006 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment="15241"][quote comment="15235"]Jose Reyes has some serious shoe stock in the bottom of his locker.[/quote]
    congrats to the cards. in that picture, Floyd (who should have bunted) looks like he is wearing footie PJ’s.[/quote]

    of all the comments today, I find myself partially agreeing with this one the most. The METS should have been bunting, not sure if Floyd was the guy to send up to get that job done. who doesn’t like 2nd and 3rd with 1 out? ah willie

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | October 20, 2006 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment="15308"][quote comment="15273"]What in God’s name was Larry Brown thinking???[/quote]
    that remember the ABA site is awesome, i’ve been schooling myself in that site for the past 5 years. And I’ll repeat my post from last night:
    Kitties in 4, nah, make that 5 –i’m feeling a bit more generous this morning.[/quote]

    as far as schooling yourself on a sports site…
    here is one you could spend hours on
    http://www.ballparks...

  • Keith | October 20, 2006 at 11:44 am |

    Wow, an NBA team finally wearing black and gold. (I wonder why NBA teams have avoided those colors?) And not just any gold, but it looks like the same “Las Vegas Gold” color the Penguins use as a tasteful accent on their uniforms.

    Damn shame that the Wizards had to use it as an eye-searing awful primary color.

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | October 20, 2006 at 11:44 am |

    did anyone else wax nostalgic this morning when the new post came up?

    i saw the oakland oaks logo at the top…
    http://static.flickr...

    and the memory bank took me directly back to saturday morning cartoons when it was “time for timer”
    http://www.toontrack...

  • Kenny | October 20, 2006 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment="15312"][quote comment="15308"][quote comment="15273"]What in God’s name was Larry Brown thinking???[/quote]
    that remember the ABA site is awesome, i’ve been schooling myself in that site for the past 5 years. And I’ll repeat my post from last night:
    Kitties in 4, nah, make that 5 –i’m feeling a bit more generous this morning.[/quote]

    as far as schooling yourself on a sports site…
    here is one you could spend hours on
    http://www.ballparks...

    Absolutely love that website…

  • Kim | October 20, 2006 at 11:46 am |

    [quote comment="15305"][quote comment="15298"][quote comment="15273"]What in God’s name was Larry Brown thinking???[/quote]

    This is The Right Way to wear a sweater?[/quote]

    Better that sweater than some of the 70’s era suits some coaches wore during that time.[/quote]

    Can we just say that Hockey’s Don Cherry takes the cake and call it a day?

  • Dwight | October 20, 2006 at 11:47 am |

    The traditional birds on the bat and the Olde English D. Can a World Series have better looking unis than this matchup. Long live the tradition!

  • Jonathan | October 20, 2006 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment="15312"][quote comment="15308"][quote comment="15273"]What in God’s name was Larry Brown thinking???[/quote]
    that remember the ABA site is awesome, i’ve been schooling myself in that site for the past 5 years. And I’ll repeat my post from last night:
    Kitties in 4, nah, make that 5 –i’m feeling a bit more generous this morning.[/quote]

    as far as schooling yourself on a sports site…
    here is one you could spend hours on
    http://www.ballparks...

    I like this one:
    Baseball Reference
    Talk about time wasters . . .

  • Andy | October 20, 2006 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment="15227"]first and bummed… but i still love baseball… i guess its hockey season for me now[/quote]
    The only thing cooler than calling attention to the fact that you’re the first to post in the morning after a new blog is to call attention to it and then not actually be the first! I think that’s 4 days in a row this has been done by someone. Cracks me up every time!

  • Richard | October 20, 2006 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment="15294"][quote comment="15289"]and when did the C’s add the shamrock permanently to the back top of the uniform?

    see here on Al Jefferson[/quote]

    New for this season. Just in case you couldn’t tell that Al Jefferson is Irish.[/quote]

    Thought it was new this season. I know last year they had it on the St. Patrick’s Day jersey, in gold at the top. This season – green on the white unis and white on the green. Wonder if the alt green and black unis are coming back, and what color they’ll use – probably black…

  • dchis | October 20, 2006 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment="15309"][quote comment="15288"][quote comment="15282"][quote comment="15271"]

    So why will the Cards be able to take it to game 7? Their pitching and hitting is worse than Detroit’s. I just don’t see this getting to game 7. Getting to game 6 a possibility but that’s even a stretch.[/quote]

    Hmmm, didn’t every “expert” on the planet say the same thing about the NLCS? We know how that turned out.[/quote]

    Yes they did. But honestly I thought that Cardinal would win it because they have enough bats to match up with the Mets bats and by far had superior pitching. Against the Tigers they don’t have enough bats to match the Tigers order and their pitching staff is not as strong as the Tigers. Those two things add up to losses. Look at the 2004 World Series. Experts predicted that the Cardinals would do well against the Red Sox because they could pitch and hit just as well, but those analyst were just flat wrong just like in the NLCS. The Cardinals could pitch way better than the Mets and could hit just as well. But they don’t have those advantages against the Tigers.[/quote]

    Well the pitching for the Cards this postseason has been a pleasant surprise…they didn’t well at all, except for in clutch situations and even then it didn’t happen that much…I think the Cards are playing with little pressure on their shoulders unlike the last couple of years

    They also weren’t supposed to be able to contain a potent Mets line-up…weird thinga happen in the playoffs (i.e. BoSox in ’04)[/quote]

    What is the weird thing with the Sox in ’04?

  • dchis | October 20, 2006 at 12:07 pm |

    [quote comment="15307"][quote comment="15302"][quote comment="15296"]bang all you want on morgan and mccarver… at least they add situational insight…
    the real captain obvious is john madden… that guy does a game like he is talking to people who are watching football for the first time in their lives… i feel like a dipshit when i watch a game he does… like its remedial football…

    dont get me started on duke vitale either…[/quote]

    Agreed that John Madden well needs to retire from color commentating. He never gives new insight to the games. But when do Morgan and McCarver add situational insight?[/quote]

    maybe situational insight wasnt the best of terms. what im looking at is they at least add the “why this happened”, “the knowledge behind the game decisions and how the decision comes into play 2 batters from now” and type of insight. madden just tells me that player x “just looks like a football player” or that “the reason a running back was able to get the first down on 3rd and 2 is because the tackle was blocking”…[/quote]

    Agreed that Morgan and McCarver do this and Madden does not. Al Michaels would be better off doing the games by himself than Madden. But Michaels still needs someone else. How about Gary Thorne for best announcer period, doesn’t matter what sport.

  • Kek | October 20, 2006 at 12:12 pm |

    I’d never seen before and it featured a European 7, the one with the line through the middle of it. Just curious if you’d ever seen or heard of a European 7 being used on a uniform before

    the Johnstown Chiefs of the ECHL used the Euro 7 a few years ago. I will look for a photo over the weekend.

  • Holla At your Boy | October 20, 2006 at 12:21 pm |

    Did anyone else notcie that the Cards wore their navy blue caps on the field, but after they won Suppan and some other players changed their hats. I think they did this to match their new championship tee shirts.
    http://espn-i.starwa...
    http://sports.yahoo....

    http://sports.yahoo....
    http://sports.yahoo....

    Interesting

  • Kenny | October 20, 2006 at 12:22 pm |

    [quote comment="15324"][quote comment="15309"][quote comment="15288"][quote comment="15282"][quote comment="15271"]

    So why will the Cards be able to take it to game 7? Their pitching and hitting is worse than Detroit’s. I just don’t see this getting to game 7. Getting to game 6 a possibility but that’s even a stretch.[/quote]

    Hmmm, didn’t every “expert” on the planet say the same thing about the NLCS? We know how that turned out.[/quote]

    Yes they did. But honestly I thought that Cardinal would win it because they have enough bats to match up with the Mets bats and by far had superior pitching. Against the Tigers they don’t have enough bats to match the Tigers order and their pitching staff is not as strong as the Tigers. Those two things add up to losses. Look at the 2004 World Series. Experts predicted that the Cardinals would do well against the Red Sox because they could pitch and hit just as well, but those analyst were just flat wrong just like in the NLCS. The Cardinals could pitch way better than the Mets and could hit just as well. But they don’t have those advantages against the Tigers.[/quote]

    Well the pitching for the Cards this postseason has been a pleasant surprise…they didn’t well at all, except for in clutch situations and even then it didn’t happen that much…I think the Cards are playing with little pressure on their shoulders unlike the last couple of years

    They also weren’t supposed to be able to contain a potent Mets line-up…weird thinga happen in the playoffs (i.e. BoSox in ’04)[/quote]

    What is the weird thing with the Sox in ’04?[/quote]

    Seriously?…uh only down 3-0, but i guess that’s no big deal huh?

  • Kenny | October 20, 2006 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment="15327"]Did anyone else notcie that the Cards wore their navy blue caps on the field, but after they won Suppan and some other players changed their hats. I think they did this to match their new championship tee shirts.
    http://espn-i.starwa...
    http://sports.yahoo....

    http://sports.yahoo....
    http://sports.yahoo....

    Interesting[/quote]

    I’m gonna go with because the red hats have the world series patch on them and maybe because the navy hats were soaking wet after being out in the rain, but i would lean towards the patch reasoning

  • Richard | October 20, 2006 at 12:26 pm |

    [quote comment="15327"]Did anyone else notcie that the Cards wore their navy blue caps on the field, but after they won Suppan and some other players changed their hats. I think they did this to match their new championship tee shirts.
    http://espn-i.starwa...
    http://sports.yahoo....

    http://sports.yahoo....
    http://sports.yahoo....

    Interesting[/quote]

    it was cited in the end of yesterday’s thread, but posted this morning before today’s post went up…

  • dchis | October 20, 2006 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment="15328"][quote comment="15324"][quote comment="15309"][quote comment="15288"][quote comment="15282"][quote comment="15271"]

    So why will the Cards be able to take it to game 7? Their pitching and hitting is worse than Detroit’s. I just don’t see this getting to game 7. Getting to game 6 a possibility but that’s even a stretch.[/quote]

    Hmmm, didn’t every “expert” on the planet say the same thing about the NLCS? We know how that turned out.[/quote]

    Yes they did. But honestly I thought that Cardinal would win it because they have enough bats to match up with the Mets bats and by far had superior pitching. Against the Tigers they don’t have enough bats to match the Tigers order and their pitching staff is not as strong as the Tigers. Those two things add up to losses. Look at the 2004 World Series. Experts predicted that the Cardinals would do well against the Red Sox because they could pitch and hit just as well, but those analyst were just flat wrong just like in the NLCS. The Cardinals could pitch way better than the Mets and could hit just as well. But they don’t have those advantages against the Tigers.[/quote]

    Well the pitching for the Cards this postseason has been a pleasant surprise…they didn’t well at all, except for in clutch situations and even then it didn’t happen that much…I think the Cards are playing with little pressure on their shoulders unlike the last couple of years

    They also weren’t supposed to be able to contain a potent Mets line-up…weird thinga happen in the playoffs (i.e. BoSox in ’04)[/quote]

    What is the weird thing with the Sox in ’04?[/quote]

    Seriously?…uh only down 3-0, but i guess that’s no big deal huh?[/quote]

    Yes it is a big deal. It had never been done before in the history of Baseball. Much less a 3-0 series getting to game 7, that had never been done either. That still doesn’t change the fact that the Red Sox were the better team. Yes that Yankees had a better record by 3 games but the Red Sox were built stronger in every facet of the game. The pitching was superb the hitting just incredible. The Red Sox were supposed to win that ALCS so them winning it was not weird, just that they won it after being 3 games to none was weird. It wasn’t even weird how they won it. I watched every pitch of that ALCS and the Red Sox won the series the way they were supposed to win it. They had better pitching, fielding, and hitting. Then they got to the World Series and all of the sudden the “Experts” were predicting that the Cardinals would be too much, too much pitching and hitting. I just didn’t see it then against that Red Sox team, and I don’t see the Cardinals getting it done against this Tigers team thats better at all those things than the Cardinals. The Red Sox winning in ’04 was not weird it was simply they were better than the other teams they were playing.

  • Holla At your Boy | October 20, 2006 at 12:32 pm |

    Great use of old school logo here, check out the stick salute:
    http://www.insidecol...

  • Holla At your Boy | October 20, 2006 at 12:33 pm |

    [quote comment="15330"][quote comment="15327"]Did anyone else notcie that the Cards wore their navy blue caps on the field, but after they won Suppan and some other players changed their hats. I think they did this to match their new championship tee shirts.
    http://espn-i.starwa...
    http://sports.yahoo....

    http://sports.yahoo....
    http://sports.yahoo....

    Interesting[/quote]

    it was cited in the end of yesterday’s thread, but posted this morning before today’s post went up…[/quote]

    thanks man

  • Tony Edwards | October 20, 2006 at 12:39 pm |

    [quote comment="15243"][quote comment="15240"]Think MLB would actually ship those Mets ALCS champ hats, or would they cancel the orders?

    Might be an investment opportunity if you can get your mitts on one.[/quote]
    Mets “A”LCS hats would be a collector’s item. i think that stuff either gets destroyed or shipped off to other countries in need of clothing. somewhere in a third world country someone has a buffalo bills 4-Time Super Bowl champs t-shirt.[/quote]
    Clothing companies make championship shirts for both teams in-advance so the winner can wear them as soon as the game is over. They normally just give the losers stuff away. So there would never be a Bills four time superbowl champs shirts, just 4 differnt 1 time champs shirts.

  • skott | October 20, 2006 at 12:47 pm |

    i’m sorry but the Fox broadcasting crew are the worst in the history of sports.

    i can’t wait for the day that McCarver is fired. Worst announcer ever. I’d rather have OJ back in the booth.

    Tigers vs. Cards = worst baseball ratings ever??

  • Kenny | October 20, 2006 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment="15331"][quote comment="15328"][quote comment="15324"][quote comment="15309"][quote comment="15288"][quote comment="15282"][quote comment="15271"]

    So why will the Cards be able to take it to game 7? Their pitching and hitting is worse than Detroit’s. I just don’t see this getting to game 7. Getting to game 6 a possibility but that’s even a stretch.[/quote]

    Hmmm, didn’t every “expert” on the planet say the same thing about the NLCS? We know how that turned out.[/quote]

    Yes they did. But honestly I thought that Cardinal would win it because they have enough bats to match up with the Mets bats and by far had superior pitching. Against the Tigers they don’t have enough bats to match the Tigers order and their pitching staff is not as strong as the Tigers. Those two things add up to losses. Look at the 2004 World Series. Experts predicted that the Cardinals would do well against the Red Sox because they could pitch and hit just as well, but those analyst were just flat wrong just like in the NLCS. The Cardinals could pitch way better than the Mets and could hit just as well. But they don’t have those advantages against the Tigers.[/quote]

    Well the pitching for the Cards this postseason has been a pleasant surprise…they didn’t well at all, except for in clutch situations and even then it didn’t happen that much…I think the Cards are playing with little pressure on their shoulders unlike the last couple of years

    They also weren’t supposed to be able to contain a potent Mets line-up…weird thinga happen in the playoffs (i.e. BoSox in ’04)[/quote]

    What is the weird thing with the Sox in ’04?[/quote]

    Seriously?…uh only down 3-0, but i guess that’s no big deal huh?[/quote]

    Yes it is a big deal. It had never been done before in the history of Baseball. Much less a 3-0 series getting to game 7, that had never been done either. That still doesn’t change the fact that the Red Sox were the better team. Yes that Yankees had a better record by 3 games but the Red Sox were built stronger in every facet of the game. The pitching was superb the hitting just incredible. The Red Sox were supposed to win that ALCS so them winning it was not weird, just that they won it after being 3 games to none was weird. It wasn’t even weird how they won it. I watched every pitch of that ALCS and the Red Sox won the series the way they were supposed to win it. They had better pitching, fielding, and hitting. Then they got to the World Series and all of the sudden the “Experts” were predicting that the Cardinals would be too much, too much pitching and hitting. I just didn’t see it then against that Red Sox team, and I don’t see the Cardinals getting it done against this Tigers team thats better at all those things than the Cardinals. The Red Sox winning in ’04 was not weird it was simply they were better than the other teams they were playing.[/quote]

    Right I get all that and I agree, plus there was no stopping the BoSox after coming back in that series…I was just talking about being down 3-0 was weird, not something you see everyday, and the big deal comment was sarcastic

    But we are getting ahead of ourselves…I was talking to a buddy last night and the first 2 games will be a good indication of how the series will go, just like the NLCS

  • dchis | October 20, 2006 at 1:02 pm |

    [quote comment="15336"][quote comment="15331"][quote comment="15328"][quote comment="15324"][quote comment="15309"][quote comment="15288"][quote comment="15282"][quote comment="15271"]

    So why will the Cards be able to take it to game 7? Their pitching and hitting is worse than Detroit’s. I just don’t see this getting to game 7. Getting to game 6 a possibility but that’s even a stretch.[/quote]

    Hmmm, didn’t every “expert” on the planet say the same thing about the NLCS? We know how that turned out.[/quote]

    Yes they did. But honestly I thought that Cardinal would win it because they have enough bats to match up with the Mets bats and by far had superior pitching. Against the Tigers they don’t have enough bats to match the Tigers order and their pitching staff is not as strong as the Tigers. Those two things add up to losses. Look at the 2004 World Series. Experts predicted that the Cardinals would do well against the Red Sox because they could pitch and hit just as well, but those analyst were just flat wrong just like in the NLCS. The Cardinals could pitch way better than the Mets and could hit just as well. But they don’t have those advantages against the Tigers.[/quote]

    Well the pitching for the Cards this postseason has been a pleasant surprise…they didn’t well at all, except for in clutch situations and even then it didn’t happen that much…I think the Cards are playing with little pressure on their shoulders unlike the last couple of years

    They also weren’t supposed to be able to contain a potent Mets line-up…weird thinga happen in the playoffs (i.e. BoSox in ’04)[/quote]

    What is the weird thing with the Sox in ’04?[/quote]

    Seriously?…uh only down 3-0, but i guess that’s no big deal huh?[/quote]

    Yes it is a big deal. It had never been done before in the history of Baseball. Much less a 3-0 series getting to game 7, that had never been done either. That still doesn’t change the fact that the Red Sox were the better team. Yes that Yankees had a better record by 3 games but the Red Sox were built stronger in every facet of the game. The pitching was superb the hitting just incredible. The Red Sox were supposed to win that ALCS so them winning it was not weird, just that they won it after being 3 games to none was weird. It wasn’t even weird how they won it. I watched every pitch of that ALCS and the Red Sox won the series the way they were supposed to win it. They had better pitching, fielding, and hitting. Then they got to the World Series and all of the sudden the “Experts” were predicting that the Cardinals would be too much, too much pitching and hitting. I just didn’t see it then against that Red Sox team, and I don’t see the Cardinals getting it done against this Tigers team thats better at all those things than the Cardinals. The Red Sox winning in ’04 was not weird it was simply they were better than the other teams they were playing.[/quote]

    Right I get all that and I agree, plus there was no stopping the BoSox after coming back in that series…I was just talking about being down 3-0 was weird, not something you see everyday, and the big deal comment was sarcastic

    But we are getting ahead of ourselves…I was talking to a buddy last night and the first 2 games will be a good indication of how the series will go, just like the NLCS[/quote]

    Yes they will and especially being in Detroit. Only can imagin how cold it will get there. Sat. low of 45 with showers and Sun. low of 35 with showers. That will have an impact on the first two games if they will be able to get them in. Also, Kenny Rogers has got to be pitching in either game 1 or 2. He has not been a good pitcher in postseasons but he has been feeding off the home crowd and that has got to continue. Putting him on the mound on the road is not a good idea, but if there is a manager that knows when to push all the right buttons so far this postseason it’s been Jim Leyland. He gets my vote for the MVP of the Tigers. He is very important to that team which is rare for a manager in today’s baseball. I mean the last two years with Tito and Ozz, all they had to do was sit tight and make sure they went to the bullpen at the right time, not too early and not too late. Leyland though means more to the Tigers than those two managers.

  • Lou | October 20, 2006 at 1:06 pm |

    Paul,

    Not a single mention in your column about the Mets wearing their pinstrip unis with blue sox and blue caps 2 playoff games in a row?

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | October 20, 2006 at 1:19 pm |

    lets try this once again so the link works…

    did anyone else wax nostalgic this morning when the new post came up?

    i saw the oakland oaks logo at the top…
    http://static.flickr...

    and the memory bank took me directly back to saturday morning cartoons when it was “time for timer”
    http://i11.tinypic.c...

  • JB | October 20, 2006 at 1:19 pm |

    In the last game of the 1998 season against the Colts, the Carolina Panthers wore silver pants with their white jerseys instead of their usual white pants. I am 95% positive it was 1998, but I could be wrong. I have been looking for a picture of it, but can’t find one. Any ideas?

  • skott | October 20, 2006 at 1:20 pm |

    oh. and i don’t like Joe Morgan eitehr. can’t really get into a guy who bashes an idea “moneyball” and then tells us how he hasn’t read the book and never will!
    ignorant.

    i actually kind of like the little shamrock on the back of the Celtics jerseys.

    if hockey jerseys are sweaters, even though they aren’t anymore, shouldn’t we call basketball jerseys Tank Tops?

  • TBDRO | October 20, 2006 at 1:22 pm |

    [quote comment="15297"][quote comment="15293"]Did the link change for the picture of Matt Foy’s stick? I get a picture of a Thrashers/Capitals game, and Foy has only ever played for the Wild.[/quote]

    Damn — the URL did indeed change (or, rather, the photo pegged to that URL changed), and now I can’t find the other photo. I’ve removed that item from the ticker.[/quote]
    Here you go…

    http://img47.imagesh...

  • Matthew S. | October 20, 2006 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment="15261"]Just to make my McCarver defense more relevant to our general thesis here . .

    He looked great in the Phillies baby blues and wore his stirrups the right way![/quote]

    You want to learn about McCarver’s wretchedness as a baseball color guy? You need only go through the archives of this blog: http://firejoemorgan...

    I do believe you’ll find him mentioned a few times.

  • Ben | October 20, 2006 at 1:31 pm |

    Re: The Mets 2006 NL Champions hats.

    Satan on a Triskit, could MLB possibly fuck anything else up? How ‘tarded can they possibly be to put up Met’s championship gear on a website even after the Mets lost the series.

    Pathetic.

  • Matthew S. | October 20, 2006 at 1:31 pm |

    [quote comment="15345"][quote comment="15261"]Just to make my McCarver defense more relevant to our general thesis here . .

    He looked great in the Phillies baby blues and wore his stirrups the right way![/quote]

    You want to learn about McCarver’s wretchedness as a baseball color guy? You need only go through the archives of this blog: http://firejoemorgan...

    I do believe you’ll find him mentioned a few times.[/quote]

    I need to read through all the comments before I post…someone beat me to the point and already recommended that blog.

    McCarver, Morgan, John Kruk, etc. are all terrible commentators. Just because someone played the game and played it well does not mean their talents will transfer into the booth.

    Damn the Cardinals, Tigers in 5.

  • Teebz | October 20, 2006 at 1:32 pm |

    Minna, this is for you:

    Quebec Nordiques

    Winnipeg Jets

    I understand your North Stars anger too. I felt it when the Jets left. Just remember this: you have the NHL. We don’t. Be thankful you got a team back (Gaborik? Love that guy!).

  • matt in the nati | October 20, 2006 at 1:37 pm |

    on the subject of mcarver… i never understood the concept of having such a mediocre player giving insight into the game… and both and joe buck did not let gonzo get a word in edge wise that whole series… but yeah he did rock the stirrups well but can he really get credit for doing it in a time when it was so commonplace

  • Matthew S. | October 20, 2006 at 1:40 pm |

    [quote comment="15302"][quote comment="15296"]bang all you want on morgan and mccarver… at least they add situational insight…
    the real captain obvious is john madden… that guy does a game like he is talking to people who are watching football for the first time in their lives… i feel like a dipshit when i watch a game he does… like its remedial football…

    dont get me started on duke vitale either…[/quote]

    Agreed that John Madden well needs to retire from color commentating. He never gives new insight to the games. But when do Morgan and McCarver add situational insight?[/quote]

    Madden may be bad, but no one can come close to Joe Theisman in the booth. The man is horrendous. His commentary is a train wreck of vagueness of self evident observations. And he doesn’t get any of Kornheiser’s jokes (not that they are that funny). And the fact that his name is actually pronounced ‘Theee-man’, but he changed it in college to rhyme it with Heisman just makes me hate him more.

  • Matthew S. | October 20, 2006 at 1:41 pm |

    Dammit, that was supposed to say ‘Thees-man’.

  • matt in the nati | October 20, 2006 at 1:48 pm |

    [quote comment="15350"] And he doesn’t get any of Kornheiser’s jokes (not that they are that funny). And the fact that his name is actually pronounced ‘Theee-man’, but he changed it in college to rhyme it with Heisman just makes me hate him more.[/quote]

    is that really true? that a sleez-ball move…

  • MetsFan AZ | October 20, 2006 at 1:50 pm |

    [quote comment="15334"][quote comment="15243"][quote comment="15240"]Think MLB would actually ship those Mets ALCS champ hats, or would they cancel the orders?

    Might be an investment opportunity if you can get your mitts on one.[/quote]
    Mets “A”LCS hats would be a collector’s item. i think that stuff either gets destroyed or shipped off to other countries in need of clothing. somewhere in a third world country someone has a buffalo bills 4-Time Super Bowl champs t-shirt.[/quote]
    Clothing companies make championship shirts for both teams in-advance so the winner can wear them as soon as the game is over. They normally just give the losers stuff away. So there would never be a Bills four time superbowl champs shirts, just 4 differnt 1 time champs shirts.[/quote]
    No s@#t.

  • matt in the nati | October 20, 2006 at 1:52 pm |

    apparently it is true… wouldn’t his family be upset

  • DJ | October 20, 2006 at 1:52 pm |

    Right, your linking onto a current example, I thought the exercise was to locate a 50’s-60’s example. I remember seeing old footage of european football and the euro styled 7 was pretty much a common thing at the time, especially in the soviet bloc countries ie: Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Yugo. et al

    Not just in football. I remember seeing Soviet hockey teams wearing it. Not the national team, but during the mid-70s when two club teams toured and played 8 NHL teams. (Central Red Army, also known as CSKA [pronounced sess-ka], played the Canadiens on New Year’s Eve to a 3-3 tie; Soviet Wings played on the tour as well)

  • Mark in Shiga | October 20, 2006 at 1:53 pm |

    Can’t find any photos, but Parma in the Italian Serie A had 7s with lines through the middle a few years ago. They wore blue and yellow horizontallly striped jerseys with the number in a big square on the back.

  • Lou | October 20, 2006 at 1:54 pm |

    I actually have a Yankees 2003 Word Sereis Champions cap that I got on eBay. A few evidently slipped into circulation.

  • dchis | October 20, 2006 at 1:55 pm |

    [quote comment="15350"][quote comment="15302"][quote comment="15296"]bang all you want on morgan and mccarver… at least they add situational insight…
    the real captain obvious is john madden… that guy does a game like he is talking to people who are watching football for the first time in their lives… i feel like a dipshit when i watch a game he does… like its remedial football…

    dont get me started on duke vitale either…[/quote]

    Agreed that John Madden well needs to retire from color commentating. He never gives new insight to the games. But when do Morgan and McCarver add situational insight?[/quote]

    Madden may be bad, but no one can come close to Joe Theisman in the booth. The man is horrendous. His commentary is a train wreck of vagueness of self evident observations. And he doesn’t get any of Kornheiser’s jokes (not that they are that funny). And the fact that his name is actually pronounced ‘Theee-man’, but he changed it in college to rhyme it with Heisman just makes me hate him more.[/quote]

    Theismann even beats out Morgan and McCarver for the “When I played…” line. He’s the worst offender of this. Listen to one of his games and every other time he makes a point this line prefaces it.

  • matt in the nati | October 20, 2006 at 1:57 pm |

    what about Zs with lines?

  • Matthew S. | October 20, 2006 at 2:00 pm |

    [quote comment="15312"][quote comment="15308"][quote comment="15273"]What in God’s name was Larry Brown thinking???[/quote]
    that remember the ABA site is awesome, i’ve been schooling myself in that site for the past 5 years. And I’ll repeat my post from last night:
    Kitties in 4, nah, make that 5 –i’m feeling a bit more generous this morning.[/quote]

    as far as schooling yourself on a sports site…
    here is one you could spend hours on
    http://www.ballparks...

    Couldn’t agree more, I have spent whole afternoons on that website when I should be working.

  • Matthew S. | October 20, 2006 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment="15360"][quote comment="15350"][quote comment="15302"][quote comment="15296"]bang all you want on morgan and mccarver… at least they add situational insight…
    the real captain obvious is john madden… that guy does a game like he is talking to people who are watching football for the first time in their lives… i feel like a dipshit when i watch a game he does… like its remedial football…

    dont get me started on duke vitale either…[/quote]

    Agreed that John Madden well needs to retire from color commentating. He never gives new insight to the games. But when do Morgan and McCarver add situational insight?[/quote]

    Madden may be bad, but no one can come close to Joe Theisman in the booth. The man is horrendous. His commentary is a train wreck of vagueness of self evident observations. And he doesn’t get any of Kornheiser’s jokes (not that they are that funny). And the fact that his name is actually pronounced ‘Theee-man’, but he changed it in college to rhyme it with Heisman just makes me hate him more.[/quote]

    Theismann even beats out Morgan and McCarver for the “When I played…” line. He’s the worst offender of this. Listen to one of his games and every other time he makes a point this line prefaces it.[/quote]

    And that coupled with the fact that the man has no sense of humor makes him terrible. I would also nominate Bob Griese as a terrible color guy. He is the Theisman of college football commentary. And yes the story about Theisman changing the pronunciation of his name from ‘Theesman’ is true. Saw it on the Sports List on FSN last year.

  • Mr. Met | October 20, 2006 at 2:16 pm |

    [quote comment="15321"]The only thing cooler than calling attention to the fact that you’re the first to post in the morning after a new blog is to call attention to it and then not actually be the first! I think that’s 4 days in a row this has been done by someone. Cracks me up every time![/quote]
    I don’t know if “cool” is the proper word. “Dumb” might be better. There are other stronger words I could use, but seeing as how this is a family-oriented website and all…..

  • dchis | October 20, 2006 at 2:22 pm |

    I know that this was semi-discussed a few days ago but the talk about the sevens with the dash through them made me think of this. Paul was looking for numbers that were halves like the midget that wore the number 1/8. Paul, I now give you one of the greates Chile players ever in Ivan Zamorano. He had a brief stint later in his career with Inter Milan. Zamorano like every good striker always wore the number 9, but on Inter Milan there was a striker there that was considered the best in the world and was already wearing the number 9. So this all leads to one of the best sports numbers ever with Zamorano wearing the number 1+8.

  • dchis | October 20, 2006 at 2:26 pm |

    Here is a better 1+8 photo.

  • Shane | October 20, 2006 at 2:29 pm |

    [quote comment="15237"]does that happen often?[/quote]

    Yes. They had the Yankees 2004 AL Champions shirts up for a while, I’d love to get my hands on one.

    Also, a question from the other day. Someone mentioned that when Lindros had stated he wouldn’t play for the Nords, a few players (I think Sakic, Nolan, et al) wore #88 for a few games. Is there any truth behind that?

  • Bill | October 20, 2006 at 2:31 pm |

    [quote comment="15267"][quote comment="15259"][quote comment="15248"][quote comment="15244"][quote comment="15239"]Anyone else catch the Fox broadcast of Game 7 last night and notice how Joe Buck and the other guy started talking about how these players had been “pulling on their sanitary socks” and other stuff for 7.5 months (I think it was in the 6th, but I won’t swear to that)? They made a comment about how you can almost never see the sanis any more because of the pajama pants epidemic, and then the camera guys tried to find a visible stirrup/sani. The closest thing they found was a faux stirrup on a Cardinal that was only showing about an inch.[/quote]

    “the other guy”…You mean Tim McCarver?
    gee[/quote]

    Tim McCarver should be referred to as the other guy. That man is an idiot.[/quote]

    I never understood the McCarver hating . . . He’s a very good analyst and he tells you things you wouldn’t necessarily know if you’re only a casual fan. He made a point on Wednesday (I think) about how on a 2-2 pitch with the runner going, even a pitch down the middle of the plate might get called a ball because of the catcher jumping out of his crouch.

    A lot of other analysts (I’m looking at YOU, Joe Morgan) would simply have told us that the pitch was a cutter (or “a little slide piece”) and that the runner stole that off the pitcher or that the catcher didn’t have a good ball to throw or some other pointless drivel.

    Is Tim McCarver overbearing, yes. Does he talk too much, probably. Does he try to make jokes when he isn’t funny, CLEARLY. But as analysts go, He, Jerry Remy and the now retired Jim Kaat rank 1-2-3 in my book (sorry Psycho Lyons!)[/quote]

    Yes I agree with you on Joe Morgan. He is a terrible broadcaster, just terrible. Here is a great website about how I feel about Morgan. McCarver has his own site like it too. But McCarver is not a good broadcaster. He is ridiculously stupid. Here are some great quotes he had in lasts night game.

    Top 2nd: “If Oliver Perez throws in the succeeding innings like he did in the first, you might not need the bullpen early.” Uhh DUH!!

    Bottom 3rd: “What you’re about to see is one of the most important statistics in baseball. During the 2006 season, if a runner reaches base with no outs, he scores 43 percent of the time. With one out, 30 percent of the time. With two outs, 15 percent of the time. A dramatic, dramatic difference,” Wouldn’t anybody who knew anything about baseball understand that a player on the basepaths with less than one out has a better chance than a player that got on with one or two outs. It’s obvious.

    Bottom 4 to Top 5: McCarver had a couple different quotes in this range. Here are 2: “Nothing in baseball can quiet a crowd like good pitching.”

    “Well, David Eckstein, like most of us, has 20 digits. Ten fingers, ten toes.” What?!?!?

    Top 8 (while raining): “Something to keep in mind — it’s raining lightly. The infield could be very wet on ground balls.” Of course the ground balls will get wet!!!!

    This is all just from one game. The man is a complete moron. He never ever adds to the broadcast of the game or to the game itself. It’s sad that people like this get these jobs. Isn’t it enough that he played baseball for a living and got paid big bucks, but don’t let them take good paying jobs away from people who could do the job much better.[/quote]

    Looks like someone read Bill Simmons today…

  • Jonathan | October 20, 2006 at 3:19 pm |

    [quote comment="15350"]
    Madden may be bad, but no one can come close to Joe Theisman in the booth. The man is horrendous. His commentary is a train wreck of vagueness of self evident observations. And he doesn’t get any of Kornheiser’s jokes (not that they are that funny). And the fact that his name is actually pronounced ‘Theee-man’, but he changed it in college to rhyme it with Heisman just makes me hate him more.[/quote]

    Don’t think it was his idea to change his name (though he OBVIOUSLY signed off on the idea). It was the Notre Dame sports marketing department (or whatever it was called back in the day) that came up with the idea.

    I actulally find it amusing . . .especially since he finished second in the balloting.

  • Jonathan | October 20, 2006 at 3:34 pm |

    [quote comment="15406"]

    Don’t think it was his idea to change his name (though he OBVIOUSLY signed off on the idea). It was the Notre Dame sports marketing department (or whatever it was called back in the day) that came up with the idea.

    I actulally find it amusing . . .especially since he finished second in the balloting.[/quote]

    And once again, to keep this somewhat Uni-relevant, Joe Theisman obviously was not afraid of losing a few teeth, judging by his facemask

  • tedkerwin | October 20, 2006 at 3:37 pm |

    http://www.digitalba... is a better sight for baseball stadium reviews and photos.

  • Broker75 | October 20, 2006 at 3:39 pm |

    Detroit-St. Louis, should be a good one. I’m cheering for the Tigers, cause they beat my Yankees, but La Russa deserves it this year.
    Somebody mentioned earlier about low ratings, I doubt it, the World loves the Cardinals cause they’re the Cardinals, but everyone wants to see the Tigers shred them to pieces.
    That ballpark website got me in trouble today at work, geez!, I couldn’t take my eyes off it!, man that’s an interesting site.
    What’s with all the jabs at Tim Macarver? I think he’s alright. What about Tony Kornheiser, this guy should just talk instead of trying to make sensational arguments with nobody. Take it easy buddy, just talk, don’t scream we ain’t gonna get ya..

  • Matthew S. | October 20, 2006 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment="15406"][quote comment="15350"]
    Madden may be bad, but no one can come close to Joe Theisman in the booth. The man is horrendous. His commentary is a train wreck of vagueness of self evident observations. And he doesn’t get any of Kornheiser’s jokes (not that they are that funny). And the fact that his name is actually pronounced ‘Theee-man’, but he changed it in college to rhyme it with Heisman just makes me hate him more.[/quote]

    Don’t think it was his idea to change his name (though he OBVIOUSLY signed off on the idea). It was the Notre Dame sports marketing department (or whatever it was called back in the day) that came up with the idea.

    I actulally find it amusing . . .especially since he finished second in the balloting.[/quote]

    That it was Notre Dame’s Athletic Dept. that probably came up with the idea is a fair point, but that he still uses that pronunciation today (especially since he didn’t win the Heisman) smacks of self promotion and unquenchable ego.

    This fact by itself is amusing, but coupled with his banality in the booth and the fact that, like Joe Morgan in baseball, he clearly thinks the game is not as good as when he played makes him insufferable. His voice makes me think about taking a baseball bat and going ‘Office Space’ on my tv.

  • Richard | October 20, 2006 at 3:43 pm |

    [quote comment="15408"]http://www.digitalba... is a better sight for baseball stadium reviews and photos.[/quote]

    but it’s not completely updated, since Fenway is shown with glass enclosures behind home plate, and those were taken out before this season.

  • Josh | October 20, 2006 at 3:45 pm |

    A very minor uniform change in the NBA that previously went unreported:
    The Suns have taken the numbers off their shorts and replaced them with the “sunburst” logo on both sides.

    This year

    Last year

  • a arauz | October 20, 2006 at 3:47 pm |

    [quote comment="15327"]Did anyone else notcie that the Cards wore their navy blue caps on the field, but after they won Suppan and some other players changed their hats. I think they did this to match their new championship tee shirts.
    http://espn-i.starwa...
    http://sports.yahoo....

    http://sports.yahoo....
    http://sports.yahoo....

    Interesting[/quote]
    And LaRussa appeared at the post game press donning a Sunday red billed one. WTF?

  • Jonathan | October 20, 2006 at 3:51 pm |

    [quote comment="15410"]

    This fact by itself is amusing, but coupled with his banality in the booth and the fact that, like Joe Morgan in baseball, he clearly thinks the game is not as good as when he played makes him insufferable. His voice makes me think about taking a baseball bat and going ‘Office Space’ on my tv.[/quote]

    Might be a good excuse to go out and buy a new TV.

    Joe Theisman played in the CFL for the Toronto Argonauts. Here he is sporting his Argos Uniform (again just trying to keep it Uni-relevant)

  • Broker75 | October 20, 2006 at 3:51 pm |

    Let’s hope the Giants don’t wear these jackets on the way to the stadium Monday Night.$275.00??!

  • Broker75 | October 20, 2006 at 3:58 pm |
  • Beefalo | October 20, 2006 at 4:00 pm |

    Paul,

    Interesting thought–is this the first time that both teams in the World Series will be wearing different caps at home and on the road? (If the Cardinals wear their alternate caps, you could be talking about five different hats for two teams!)

    Tigers Home

    Tigers Road

    Cardinals Home

    Cardinals Alternate (no WS patch yet)

    Cardinals Road (no WS patch yet)

    Stop the Madness!

  • Jonathan | October 20, 2006 at 4:10 pm |

    [quote comment="15418"]Paul,

    Interesting thought–is this the first time that both teams in the World Series will be wearing different caps at home and on the road? (If the Cardinals wear their alternate caps, you could be talking about five different hats for two teams!)

    Tigers Home

    Tigers Road

    Cardinals Home

    Cardinals Alternate (no WS patch yet)

    Cardinals Road (no WS patch yet)

    Stop the Madness![/quote]

    What about 1968 – Same teams, or was that during the Cardinals all red, all the time phase?

  • Tape | October 20, 2006 at 4:13 pm |

    the original Pacers logo looks like it features a tennis ball, not a basketball.

  • MetsFan AZ | October 20, 2006 at 4:19 pm |

    [/quote]

    What about 1968 – Same teams, or was that during the Cardinals all red, all the time phase?[/quote]
    I think the Tigers were ahead of their time. The home and road caps is a relatively new look. Most teams were like the Yankees are now, One cap two unis. Just my unresearched thoughts.

  • Minna H | October 20, 2006 at 4:19 pm |

    [quote comment="15348"]Minna, this is for you:

    Quebec Nordiques

    Winnipeg Jets

    I understand your North Stars anger too. I felt it when the Jets left. Just remember this: you have the NHL. We don’t. Be thankful you got a team back (Gaborik? Love that guy!).[/quote]

    Thanks for the links, Teebz. I found the Nords jersey pretty easily, but not the Jets. Those are very clean and straightforward jerseys. Nice!

    You are right that we have the Wild and should be grateful. However, the fact that the Dallas (Not-So-North) Stars won the Cup after leaving is really hard to swallow for the locals.

    As for the fuchsia unis of the gymnastics team and the reason for wearing them, most of you can guess what I think of that—it starts with the same two letters as fuchia and ends with no!

  • Aaron | October 20, 2006 at 4:24 pm |

    [quote comment="15291"][quote comment="15290"]Well, the Mets proved last night that great unis and an inspired performance by a pitcher that NOBODY thought would get past two innings are worthless IF YOU DON’T SWING THE @%#$@ING BATS!

    Go Tigers. Belliard’s still a thug, and Jim Edmonds looks like Mr. Ed.[/quote]

    And another thing – I agree with everyone else – on to hockey season – I can concentrate on the Rangers now. Caught the Devs/Preds last night on commercials of the ball game – the Preds whites may just be my favorite NHL jersey (or sweater for the old-school who offend easily)[/quote]
    Wow, your favorite NHL jersey is the Predators! They have the ugliest trio of jerseys in hockey besides the Thrashers. I’m a Ranger fan too, diehard, season ticket holder, and not to be biased but I still think the Rangers home and away are the best in the league, with the Blackhawks following close behind.

  • Richard | October 20, 2006 at 4:24 pm |

    [quote comment="15425"][quote comment="15348"]Minna, this is for you:

    Quebec Nordiques

    Winnipeg Jets

    I understand your North Stars anger too. I felt it when the Jets left. Just remember this: you have the NHL. We don’t. Be thankful you got a team back (Gaborik? Love that guy!).[/quote]

    Thanks for the links, Teebz. I found the Nords jersey pretty easily, but not the Jets. Those are very clean and straightforward jerseys. Nice!

    You are right that we have the Wild and should be grateful. However, the fact that the Dallas (Not-So-North) Stars won the Cup after leaving is really hard to swallow for the locals.

    As for the fuchsia unis of the gymnastics team and the reason for wearing them, most of you can guess what I think of that—it starts with the same two letters as fuchia and ends with no![/quote]

    FUmbleiNO?

  • Taylor | October 20, 2006 at 4:27 pm |

    [quote comment="15245"]Call me crazy, but I really like the Wizards’ alts. They would not be a good primary look, but as an alt they are great.

    I am a big fan (perhaps the only one) of the shorts-being-a-different-color-than-the-jersey look.[/quote]

    They really aren’t bad. I’ve seen worse. Actually, I like them a lot better than their regular jerseys.

  • Minna H | October 20, 2006 at 4:33 pm |

    [quote comment="15427"][quote comment="15425"]

    Thanks for the links, Teebz. I found the Nords jersey pretty easily, but not the Jets. Those are very clean and straightforward jerseys. Nice!

    You are right that we have the Wild and should be grateful. However, the fact that the Dallas (Not-So-North) Stars won the Cup after leaving is really hard to swallow for the locals.

    As for the fuchsia unis of the gymnastics team and the reason for wearing them, most of you can guess what I think of that—it starts with the same two letters as fuchia and ends with no![/quote]

    FUmbleiNO?[/quote]

    Ha! Good one, Richard, but not right. Hint: Two words—the second is no. Just my attempt to be clever.

    Just an aside: I have seen a few men wearing pink in the stands of games, and they look much better than women do. I think pink should be a guy color. So, for all you guys out there, “Think pink!” For the women, “Sink the pink!”

  • Jonathan | October 20, 2006 at 4:34 pm |

    [quote comment="15424"][/quote]

    What about 1968 – Same teams, or was that during the Cardinals all red, all the time phase?[/quote]

    Okay, quoting my own post here . . .The Tigers adopted the orange ‘D’ on their Road caps in 1972, according to the BAseball Hall of Fame, making it even more likely that this will be the first matchup of two teams with different home and road caps.

  • Chris | October 20, 2006 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment="15426"][quote comment="15291"][quote comment="15290"]Well, the Mets proved last night that great unis and an inspired performance by a pitcher that NOBODY thought would get past two innings are worthless IF YOU DON’T SWING THE @%#$@ING BATS!

    Go Tigers. Belliard’s still a thug, and Jim Edmonds looks like Mr. Ed.[/quote]

    And another thing – I agree with everyone else – on to hockey season – I can concentrate on the Rangers now. Caught the Devs/Preds last night on commercials of the ball game – the Preds whites may just be my favorite NHL jersey (or sweater for the old-school who offend easily)[/quote]
    Wow, your favorite NHL jersey is the Predators! They have the ugliest trio of jerseys in hockey besides the Thrashers. I’m a Ranger fan too, diehard, season ticket holder, and not to be biased but I still think the Rangers home and away are the best in the league, with the Blackhawks following close behind.[/quote]

    My Preds looked pretty damn good two nights ago when they blanked your Rangers

  • Beefalo | October 20, 2006 at 4:42 pm |

    Following up the question to my original post:

    According to http://www.sportslog..., the Tigers didn’t start wearing the orange Old English D on the road until 1982.

    Also, the Cardinals went to the red caps with the raised white STL as their only cap from 1968-1991 before bringing the blue road caps back in 1992 (and the alternate caps started in 2000).

  • Aaron | October 20, 2006 at 4:43 pm |

    [quote comment="15432"][quote comment="15426"][quote comment="15291"][quote comment="15290"]Well, the Mets proved last night that great unis and an inspired performance by a pitcher that NOBODY thought would get past two innings are worthless IF YOU DON’T SWING THE @%#$@ING BATS!

    Go Tigers. Belliard’s still a thug, and Jim Edmonds looks like Mr. Ed.[/quote]

    And another thing – I agree with everyone else – on to hockey season – I can concentrate on the Rangers now. Caught the Devs/Preds last night on commercials of the ball game – the Preds whites may just be my favorite NHL jersey (or sweater for the old-school who offend easily)[/quote]
    Wow, your favorite NHL jersey is the Predators! They have the ugliest trio of jerseys in hockey besides the Thrashers. I’m a Ranger fan too, diehard, season ticket holder, and not to be biased but I still think the Rangers home and away are the best in the league, with the Blackhawks following close behind.[/quote]

    My Preds looked pretty damn good two nights ago when they blanked your Rangers[/quote]
    I was at the game. They looked good hockey wise, but uni wise are still the worst in the league. Sorry man.

  • Banker Bill | October 20, 2006 at 4:45 pm |

    [quote comment="15426"][quote comment="15291"][quote comment="15290"]Well, the Mets proved last night that great unis and an inspired performance by a pitcher that NOBODY thought would get past two innings are worthless IF YOU DON’T SWING THE @%#$@ING BATS!

    Go Tigers. Belliard’s still a thug, and Jim Edmonds looks like Mr. Ed.[/quote]

    And another thing – I agree with everyone else – on to hockey season – I can concentrate on the Rangers now. Caught the Devs/Preds last night on commercials of the ball game – the Preds whites may just be my favorite NHL jersey (or sweater for the old-school who offend easily)[/quote]
    Wow, your favorite NHL jersey is the Predators! They have the ugliest trio of jerseys in hockey besides the Thrashers. I’m a Ranger fan too, diehard, season ticket holder, and not to be biased but I still think the Rangers home and away are the best in the league, with the Blackhawks following close behind.[/quote]

    Good point – let me clarify – not including the original six (which are all classics)I just really like the White Preds. Maybe it’s the silver shoulders, or the slanted typeface on the names, or the logo itself. That being said, their third jersey is revolting and the blue does nothing for me. The Thrashers? Please…any team named after a tiny little bird, or a SKATEBOARDING MAGAZINE deserves all the abuse it gets… and the blue jersey with ATLANTA down one arm is completely stupid.

  • Josh | October 20, 2006 at 4:48 pm |

    [quote comment="15433"]Following up the question to my original post:

    According to http://www.sportslog..., the Tigers didn’t start wearing the orange Old English D on the road until 1982.

    Also, the Cardinals went to the red caps with the raised white STL as their only cap from 1968-1991 before bringing the blue road caps back in 1992 (and the alternate caps started in 2000).[/quote]

    Actually the Cardinals went to the all red hat at home and on the road in 1965.
    Need proof?:
    Dressed to the Nines

  • Warren Thompson | October 20, 2006 at 4:49 pm |

    [quote comment="15428"][quote comment="15245"]Call me crazy, but I really like the Wizards’ alts. They would not be a good primary look, but as an alt they are great.

    I am a big fan (perhaps the only one) of the shorts-being-a-different-color-than-the-jersey look.[/quote]

    They really aren’t bad. I’ve seen worse. Actually, I like them a lot better than their regular jerseys.[/quote]

    Exactly what color are the tops? It’s difficult to tell from the photo, but they do look to be a sort of tan or khaki.

    I, too, like tops and pants in different colors, though only if the former are a lighter shade than the latter. BTW at one time the Baltimore Bullets featured white with horizontal red stripes on the jerseys and a darker color for the shorts (blue, maybe?)

  • Josh | October 20, 2006 at 4:50 pm |

    [quote comment="15433"]Following up the question to my original post:

    According to http://www.sportslog..., the Tigers didn’t start wearing the orange Old English D on the road until 1982.

    Also, the Cardinals went to the red caps with the raised white STL as their only cap from 1968-1991 before bringing the blue road caps back in 1992 (and the alternate caps started in 2000).[/quote]

    One more thing:
    The alternate caps began in 1998, not 2000. That year the Cardinal had a red bill, then in 1999 they changed it to the yellow bill.

  • Aaron | October 20, 2006 at 4:51 pm |

    [quote comment="15435"][quote comment="15426"][quote comment="15291"][quote comment="15290"]Well, the Mets proved last night that great unis and an inspired performance by a pitcher that NOBODY thought would get past two innings are worthless IF YOU DON’T SWING THE @%#$@ING BATS!

    Go Tigers. Belliard’s still a thug, and Jim Edmonds looks like Mr. Ed.[/quote]

    And another thing – I agree with everyone else – on to hockey season – I can concentrate on the Rangers now. Caught the Devs/Preds last night on commercials of the ball game – the Preds whites may just be my favorite NHL jersey (or sweater for the old-school who offend easily)[/quote]
    Wow, your favorite NHL jersey is the Predators! They have the ugliest trio of jerseys in hockey besides the Thrashers. I’m a Ranger fan too, diehard, season ticket holder, and not to be biased but I still think the Rangers home and away are the best in the league, with the Blackhawks following close behind.[/quote]

    Good point – let me clarify – not including the original six (which are all classics)I just really like the White Preds. Maybe it’s the silver shoulders, or the slanted typeface on the names, or the logo itself. That being said, their third jersey is revolting and the blue does nothing for me. The Thrashers? Please…any team named after a tiny little bird, or a SKATEBOARDING MAGAZINE deserves all the abuse it gets… and the blue jersey with ATLANTA down one arm is completely stupid.[/quote]
    I know, I was saying the Predators and the Thrashers have the worst jerseys, not that Atlanta had good ones.
    Thank god you weren’t telling me this:
    http://shop.nhl.com/...

    Is better than this:
    http://shop.nhl.com/...

  • ACC | October 20, 2006 at 4:52 pm |

    [quote comment="15409"]Detroit-St. Louis, should be a good one. I’m cheering for the Tigers, cause they beat my Yankees, but La Russa deserves it this year.
    Somebody mentioned earlier about low ratings, I doubt it, the World loves the Cardinals cause they’re the Cardinals, but everyone wants to see the Tigers shred them to pieces.
    That ballpark website got me in trouble today at work, geez!, I couldn’t take my eyes off it!, man that’s an interesting site.
    What’s with all the jabs at Tim Macarver? I think he’s alright. What about Tony Kornheiser, this guy should just talk instead of trying to make sensational arguments with nobody. Take it easy buddy, just talk, don’t scream we ain’t gonna get ya..[/quote]

    What a ridiculous statement. I really don’t think the World loves the Cardinals.

    “the World loves the Cardinals cause they’re the Cardinals, but everyone wants to see the Tigers shred them to pieces.”

  • ACC | October 20, 2006 at 4:56 pm |

    [quote comment="15412"]A very minor uniform change in the NBA that previously went unreported:
    The Suns have taken the numbers off their shorts and replaced them with the “sunburst” logo on both sides.

    This year

    Last year[/quote]

    Don’t like much the repeating logos.
    Preferred the uni number instead.

  • ACC | October 20, 2006 at 4:58 pm |

    [quote comment="15426"][quote comment="15291"][quote comment="15290"]Well, the Mets proved last night that great unis and an inspired performance by a pitcher that NOBODY thought would get past two innings are worthless IF YOU DON’T SWING THE @%#$@ING BATS!

    Go Tigers. Belliard’s still a thug, and Jim Edmonds looks like Mr. Ed.[/quote]

    And another thing – I agree with everyone else – on to hockey season – I can concentrate on the Rangers now. Caught the Devs/Preds last night on commercials of the ball game – the Preds whites may just be my favorite NHL jersey (or sweater for the old-school who offend easily)[/quote]
    Wow, your favorite NHL jersey is the Predators! They have the ugliest trio of jerseys in hockey besides the Thrashers. I’m a Ranger fan too, diehard, season ticket holder, and not to be biased but I still think the Rangers home and away are the best in the league, with the Blackhawks following close behind.[/quote]

    Favorite NHL jersey is SJ Sharks! Everything from the names, numbers, logo, and colors is original and looks cool.

  • Chuck Ryals | October 20, 2006 at 4:58 pm |

    As a Buckeye, I am rooting for the Cardinals, I do beleive their home unis are the best in baseball! I still cannot believe the Mets had two CALLED STRIKE THREES, in the ninth inning last night. Cough, cough, cough!

  • Jonathan | October 20, 2006 at 5:13 pm |

    The Baseball HOF “Dressed to the Nines” exhibit online is a great resource. I think Paul’s referenced it a couple of times. That being said, can anybody think of any other teams whose Home and Road uniforms were exact inverses of each other?

    1915 Buffalo – Federal League

  • Jeff E. | October 20, 2006 at 5:42 pm |

    [quote comment="15341"]lets try this once again so the link works…

    did anyone else wax nostalgic this morning when the new post came up?

    i saw the oakland oaks logo at the top…
    http://static.flickr...

    and the memory bank took me directly back to saturday morning cartoons when it was “time for timer”
    http://i11.tinypic.c...

    When my 10 gallon hat,
    Feels 5 gallons flat.
    I hanker for a hunk of cheese,
    Yaahoo!

  • AO in A2 | October 20, 2006 at 5:54 pm |

    I was really hoping for a red, white & blue alternate for the Wizards. What they came up with is beyond disappointing. They should take a cue from USA Basketball– dark blue with red and white accents.

  • skott | October 20, 2006 at 7:02 pm |

    i actually kind of like the Atlanta light blue jerseys.
    the bird logo thing, not so much, but the colors, yes. and the Nashville logo is prety rad.

    the orig. 6 are great, but the new phoenix uni’s are pretty stylish.

    i think the wizards uni’s are fine…ugly, but i mean, their regular uni’s are pretty bad, too.

  • Jeff | October 20, 2006 at 7:53 pm |

    This has no relation to basketballs and probabily has already been discussed on this site but FSU is going to be wearing black uniforms. Thoughts?

  • Mark | October 20, 2006 at 8:34 pm |

    Anyone else watching the WVU/UConn game? Well, WVU is sporting the infamous two-color nike sleeves. Aside from the abomination that are the WVU unis, UConn’s unis, despite the monochrome look, are pretty nice. It’s a nice classic white a blue combo while not trying to be flashy. Classy always works.

  • Terry Mark | October 20, 2006 at 9:25 pm |

    [quote comment="15424"][/quote]

    What about 1968 – Same teams, or was that during the Cardinals all red, all the time phase?[/quote]
    I think the Tigers were ahead of their time. The home and road caps is a relatively new look. Most teams were like the Yankees are now, One cap two unis. Just my unresearched thoughts.[/quote]

    Lots of home-road ballcap combinations overlooked from the ’70s and ’80s — Brewers (blue cap with two gold panels in front; all blue), Pirates (black pillbox; gold pillbox with black bill), Athletics (green skull/yellow bill; white skull/green bill), Blue Jays (blue cap with two white panels in front; all blue), Reds (white pinstriped skull/red bill; all red), Twins (all navy; red skull/navy bill), White Sox (blue cap/two white front panels/red bill; all blue).

    Sorry, no time to find links.

  • Terry Mark | October 20, 2006 at 9:27 pm |

    Was quoting someone else in the comment above. The last two paragraphs are mine.

  • B | October 20, 2006 at 10:12 pm |

    Just a Heads up. Tomorrow the University of Minnesota are wearing their throwback jerseys from sometime in the 1960’s (I’m blanking on the exact year).

  • allenjd | October 20, 2006 at 10:12 pm |

    [quote comment="15455"]Anyone else watching the WVU/UConn game? Well, WVU is sporting the infamous two-color nike sleeves. Aside from the abomination that are the WVU unis, UConn’s unis, despite the monochrome look, are pretty nice. It’s a nice classic white a blue combo while not trying to be flashy. Classy always works.[/quote]

    UConn’s number typeface is the best in all of sports.

  • Al A | October 20, 2006 at 11:02 pm |

    [quote comment="15410"][quote comment="15406"][quote comment="15350"]
    Madden may be bad, but no one can come close to Joe Theisman in the booth. The man is horrendous. His commentary is a train wreck of vagueness of self evident observations. And he doesn’t get any of Kornheiser’s jokes (not that they are that funny). And the fact that his name is actually pronounced ‘Theee-man’, but he changed it in college to rhyme it with Heisman just makes me hate him more.[/quote]

    Don’t think it was his idea to change his name (though he OBVIOUSLY signed off on the idea). It was the Notre Dame sports marketing department (or whatever it was called back in the day) that came up with the idea.

    I actulally find it amusing . . .especially since he finished second in the balloting.[/quote]

    That it was Notre Dame’s Athletic Dept. that probably came up with the idea is a fair point, but that he still uses that pronunciation today (especially since he didn’t win the Heisman) smacks of self promotion and unquenchable ego.

    This fact by itself is amusing, but coupled with his banality in the booth and the fact that, like Joe Morgan in baseball, he clearly thinks the game is not as good as when he played makes him insufferable. His voice makes me think about taking a baseball bat and going ‘Office Space’ on my tv.[/quote]

    ‘it’s good to be a gangster’.

  • Holla At your Boy | October 20, 2006 at 11:38 pm |

    You have to be kidding me. They are trying to take over the world.
    http://www.dailyprin...

  • Chris | October 21, 2006 at 2:46 am |

    [quote comment="15465"]You have to be kidding me. They are trying to take over the world.
    http://www.dailyprin...

    Just a little dramatic are we?

  • Murphy | October 21, 2006 at 3:11 am |

    [quote comment="15281"][quote comment="15277"]Does anybody have a link to the new Wizards alt. uniforms?[/quote]

    NEW DANCER ALT. UNIFORMS TOO[/quote]

    Wow…I didn’t even know Oprah was a Wizards fan!?!

  • Ben | October 22, 2006 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment="15302"]Agreed that John Madden well needs to retire from color commentating. He never gives new insight to the games. But when do Morgan and McCarver add situational insight?[/quote]
    [quote comment="15302"][quote comment="15296"]bang all you want on morgan and mccarver… at least they add situational insight…
    the real captain obvious is john madden… that guy does a game like he is talking to people who are watching football for the first time in their lives… i feel like a dipshit when i watch a game he does… like its remedial football…

    dont get me started on duke vitale either…[/quote]

    Agreed that John Madden well needs to retire from color commentating. He never gives new insight to the games. But when do Morgan and McCarver add situational insight?[/quote]

    You people don’t get it, do you.

    Madden, as well as Macarver, hell just about every single “analyst/color commentator” out there doesn’t get into complicated detail because they have been told again and again, and they also know that there are al arge number of very casual watchers of sports who will be watching theg ames, and to start bleating about how “the weakside safety will cheat up while the strongside linebacker fakes a blitz, while the cornerbacks drop into a Cover 2 scheme which makes the quarterback audible from a deep hitch and go to a halfback toss” will make channels change faster then you can blink.

    Christ, I know a ton about football and even I’d be bored to tears by that kind of shit.

    And if you all hate (insert color commnetators name here) then just use the fucking mute button on your remote and either turn on the radio broadcast or just watch without any sound.

    Finally, it’s all well and good to bleat and shriek that “such and such announcer sucks” but when you don’t give any credible alternatives, what miniscule credibility that you may have had goes straight into the garbage.

  • lemonverbena | May 27, 2007 at 8:22 pm |

    the original Sonics logo also featured an apparent four-panel ball, as did this later version.

    though now that i look at them closely, if this is a four-panel ball, isn’t this as well? and this?

    and while i’m at it, this original Pistons logo absolutely dominates the four-panel.