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The ® Chronicles, Continued

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As many of you know, we’re lucky to have a trademark attorney in the Uni Watch readership. That would be Anthony Verna (who, in addition to his legal practice, has a blog devoted to trademark law). After my little ramble last Friday about the the circle-R trademark symbol that appears on the Cubs’ home jersey patch (if you missed that spiel, look here), Anthony generously offered to help sort out the situation — an offer I happily accepted.

Anthony ended up sending me a fairly lengthy explanation. With his permission, I’ve taken the liberty of shaping it into the following Q-and-A:

What’s the point of the ® symbol?
The simple answer is this: Companies whose trademarks are registered with the United States Patent and Trademark Office must use the symbol or else the registration may be lost. That symbol is the only symbol that shows that a company’s trademark is registered with the USPTO.

Okay, but why register a trademark to begin with?
The basic answer is to show to the world what the mark signifies. It shows the source of goods or services and the quality of those goods or services. (Please, no joking about how the Cubs have played over the last century or so!)

But do you have to use the ® every single time your mark appears?
Many trademark attorneys advise their clients to place the ® symbol everywhere (in fact, an employee at a company that’s a client of mine complained about having to make sure that the symbol was always there). There may be times when there might be a business-related reason not to include the symbol, but I advise my clients to keep those to a minimum. For example, would anyone want to buy a CD by a band whose name is followed by the ® symbol? The symbol should certainly be on items such as advertisements, press releases, web sites, etc.

Okay, so how does this all apply to the Cubs? When did they register their logo?
The Cubs’ first registered trademark that I can find comes from May 20, 1969. It’s the familiar logo where “Cubs” is in a circle and the “C” is bigger than the rest of the word.

But if you look at photos from the 1970s, the Cubs didn’t use the ®. If they registered the mark in 1969, why did they wait until the early ’80s to add the symbol?
It’s hard to say why. My only guess would be that an aggressive trademark attorney joined their corporate structure around the time the symbol started appearing.

Alright, so that covers the Cubs. But what about other teams — don’t all major-level sports teams register their logos?
I think so. (The old Hartford Whalers were an exception — their logo was never registered. The NHL started the process once the team moved to Carolina and was renamed the Hurricanes but never finished.)

Then why don’t all these other teams wear the trademark symbol?
They’ve chosen not to. As a trademark lawyer and a sports fan, I like the example of the New Jersey Devils. Their red “NJ” logo has been registered since January 10, 1984, but of course the ® symbol isn’t on their uniform. And why should it be? The uniform itself tells us that they are the New Jersey Devils. They do use the symbol, however, on their licensed goods. To me, this strikes the right balance. We already know, as sports fans, who the mark belongs to, so the appearance of the symbol seems redundant to me on the uniform when worn on the field. But using it in all other areas, such as licensed goods, is an effective way to communicate that the mark is a registered trademark and that the goods or services represented by the mark come from the proper companies.

So you’re basically saying that the Cubs’ logo is no more (or less) trademarked than any other team’s logo, but that the Cubs engage in a bit of overkill by taking the extra step of using the ® symbol on their uniform?
Yes.

So there you have it: Just about every team could add the symbol, but the Cubs are the only ones who’ve gone to that extreme. Let’s hope it stays that way. Big thanks to Anthony for helping to explain this complex situation.

Personally, I still suspect the symbol began appearing on the uniform more or less by accident (i.e., the company making the chest patches based their embroidery pattern on a logo sheet that happened to have the trademark symbol, and it’s been stuck there ever since), but I suspect we’ll never know for sure.

One thing we can try to determine, though, is exactly when the symbol began appearing on the uniform. The earliest instance I’ve found of the symbol appearing in a positively dated photo is 1984. But the photo for this 1983 baseball card was almost certainly taken in 1982 (Jenkins didn’t pitch for the Cubs in ’81, so it couldn’t have been taken then), so ’82 is now my benchmark year. If you have any old Cubs yearbooks, programs, or any other photographic evidence that would help sort this out, please get in touch.

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Pedro Update: I’m not declaring a winner yet in the “name Pedro’s missing button” sweepstakes, because one of the submissions raises some interesting questions. In yesterday’s comments, Roger Faso wrote, “Pedro unbuttons that button to whip out his crucifix and kiss it. I say we call it the Jesus Hole.” This is the first time I’ve heard anyone suggest a reason for the open button. If true, it will definitely affect the name we assign to this phenomenon.

Just one problem: I’ve never noticed Pedro pulling his necklace out through the area of the second button. Has anyone else? I wrote to Roger and asked if he’d actually seen Pedro doing this, or if he was just speculating, or joking, or what, but so far no response. Stay tuned.

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Special Raffle for NYC-Area Readers: We’ve all seen the final few pitches of Don Larsen’s perfect game. But how’d you like to see the entire game (well, beginning in the top of the 2nd), complete with the original play-by-play commentary and even the original commercials? A screening of precisely that will be taking place on Thursday, July 10th, at 6pm. It’s at B.B. King’s in Times Square (odd venue, right?), and the ticket price is $30 (crazy, right?), but I’ve got two pairs of tickets to give away.

To enter, send a blank e-mail with your name in the subject line to uniraffle [at] earthlink [dot] net (please note that this is not the usual Uni Watch e-mail address) by 10pm eastern this Friday. Please enter only if you’ll actually be able to use the tickets yourself. Since that stipulation will narrow down the pool of entrants considerably, there will be no bonus entries for membership program enrollees on this raffle — one person, one entry, period. I’ll announce the winners next Monday.

I’ll be attending the screening myself, by the way, so maybe we can convene a Uni Watch gathering afterward. More details on that later on.

Uni Watch News Ticker: I’m completely stoked over my latest vintage jersey. No idea what it was used for (soccer?), but it’s totally boss (extra-special thanks to Scott Turner, who tipped me wise to this one after spotting it on eBay). … Father’s Day follow-up: A few of the White Sox players wore blue face paint on Sunday (with thanks to Steve Johnston). … Good article here about the Yankees prospect who can pitch with either arm and wears a glove with six fingers and two webs (with thanks to Eric Stengel). … Latest accessory for rodeo clowns: faux stirrups (good catch by Benjamin C. Graff). … I’ve heard about Tony Conigliaro wearing a “Tony C.” NOB, but I’d never seen it until now (great find by Rich Kauffman). … Logo creep alert from Greg Riffenburgh, who notes that Czech soccer coach Karel Brückner had a Puma logo on his shirt collar the other day. … Also from Greg: Bit of a dust-up regarding the new TSA uniforms. … Great stripe-o-rama submission from John Calabrese. The player is Daultan Leveille of the St. Catherine’s Falcons. … Many of you have seen this already, but Michigan’s new Adidas football jerseys will apparently look like this and this. … “I was watching the Tigers/Giants game Monday night,” writes Alan Topolski. “They were highlighting different moments in Giants history, and they highlighted July 5, 1987, when Kevin Mitchell made his Giants debut by homering at Wrigley. The equipment manager must have been given very short notice, because Mitchell had NNOB!” … I’ll be off the grid for most of today (interviewing for a Mets coaching position, natch), so play nice. Back tomorrow.

 

170 comments to The ® Chronicles, Continued

  • Like the River | June 17, 2008 at 8:23 am |

    I was at the Indianapolis Indians game last night, and we were playing the Columbus Clippers. now the Clippers used to be the Yankees farm team so they of course have pinstripe home jerseys and same color style as the yankees.
    http://clippersbaseb...

    http://newyork.yanke...

    Well now the Clippers are the Nationals farm team, and one thing i noticed last night from the game that was odd, was that the Clippers still had the same hat design from the yankee days.
    http://mlb.imageg.ne...

    But their road uniforms were done up in Nationals style font and everything.
    http://www.clippersb...
    http://content.answe...

    oh yea Paul by the way got my Uni-watch card in the mail yesterday it looks freaking sweet!!

  • Bryan | June 17, 2008 at 8:34 am |

    I’m completely stoked over my latest vintage jersey. No idea what it was used for (soccer?), but it’s totally boss (extra-special thanks to Scott Turner, who tipped me wise to this one after spotting it on eBay)

    Looks more like a cycling jersey.

  • Robert | June 17, 2008 at 8:50 am |

    I hope that Paul and other slightly built fellows appreciate their ability to wear the cool vintage jerseys that are to be found here and there. Those of us bigger fellows (6’3″, 200 lbs. here) rarely see old jerseys that would fit us comfortably.

  • John Livewell | June 17, 2008 at 8:51 am |

    [quote comment=”275859″]I hope that Paul and other slightly built fellows appreciate their ability to wear the cool vintage jerseys that are to be found here and there. Those of us bigger fellows (6’3″, 200 lbs. here) rarely see old jerseys that would fit us comfortably.[/quote]

    I second that emotion….

  • LI Phil | June 17, 2008 at 8:51 am |

    hmmm…

    i immediately noticed the sony ericsson logo creep in this shot of great dane caroline wozniacki…

    i oppose this of course, but damn…talk about product placement…

  • Paul Lukas | June 17, 2008 at 8:52 am |

    [quote comment=”275859″]I hope that Paul and other slightly built fellows appreciate their ability to wear the cool vintage jerseys that are to be found here and there. Those of us bigger fellows (6’3″, 200 lbs. here) rarely see old jerseys that would fit us comfortably.[/quote]

    For me, one of the best things about having a taste for vintage clothing (jerseys and otherwise) is that the stuff actually fits me, unlike so much contemporary clothing. Scott Turner and I talk about this all the time — he’s a big fella, which is good for our friendship, because we’re never competing for the same vintage item. If he sees something that will fit me (like the jersey shown in today’s ticker), he lets me know, and I try to return the favor for him.

  • U.A. | June 17, 2008 at 8:54 am |

    Greg Harris also used a 6 fingered glove when he pitched both lefty and righty in one game for the Expos on September 28, 1995 one of the last game of his carrer:
    “In the ninth inning, Harris retired Reggie Sanders pitching right-handed, then switched to his left hand for the next two hitters, Hal Morris and Ed Taubensee, who both batted lefty. Harris walked Morris but got Taubensee to ground out. He then went back to his right hand to retire Bret Boone to end the inning.”

    I never was able to find a photo. Any help?

  • LI Phil | June 17, 2008 at 8:56 am |

    paul…

    no softball this past weekend? thought we might get another dosage of stirrupy goodness and matching obama t’s yesterday or today

  • Jet | June 17, 2008 at 8:57 am |

    Fascinating article about that switch-pitcher, but the reporter missed the obvious question…

    what happens when a switch-hitter comes to bat??!

    Who gets the last choice of which side they will hit or pitch from??

    Can you picture it? Batter steps in righty…pitcher puts glove on left hand…batter calls time and switches over to the left side of the plate…. pitcher puts glove on right hand… back and forth they go in some kind of existentialist baseball mobius strip….

    -Jet

  • Paul Lukas | June 17, 2008 at 9:01 am |

    [quote comment=”275864″]paul…

    no softball this past weekend?[/quote]

    Our fields were flooded from Saturday’s rain. And then it rained again at about 1pm. And then it got really nice, but by that time it was too late.

  • LI Phil | June 17, 2008 at 9:15 am |

    [quote comment=”275865″]Fascinating article about that switch-pitcher, but the reporter missed the obvious question…

    what happens when a switch-hitter comes to bat??!

    Who gets the last choice of which side they will hit or pitch from??

    Can you picture it? Batter steps in righty…pitcher puts glove on left hand…batter calls time and switches over to the left side of the plate…. pitcher puts glove on right hand… back and forth they go in some kind of existentialist baseball mobius strip….[/quote]

    jet, my head hurts, picturing your escher-esque tableau…great mental imagry ;)

    simple solution, to my mind…batter chooses a side…pitcher pitches from the same side…if the batter chooses to “switch” again…he takes the first pitch in the earhole

  • scott | June 17, 2008 at 9:21 am |

    [quote comment=”275857″]I was at the Indianapolis Indians game last night, and we were playing the Columbus Clippers. now the Clippers used to be the Yankees farm team so they of course have pinstripe home jerseys and same color style as the yankees.
    http://clippersbaseb...

    http://newyork.yanke...

    Well now the Clippers are the Nationals farm team, and one thing i noticed last night from the game that was odd, was that the Clippers still had the same hat design from the yankee days.
    http://mlb.imageg.ne...

    But their road uniforms were done up in Nationals style font and everything.
    http://www.clippersb...
    http://content.answe...

    oh yea Paul by the way got my Uni-watch card in the mail yesterday it looks freaking sweet!![/quote]

    Teams don’t necessarily change their caps when they change affiliates, though the Clippers did add an alternate cap:

    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    Perhaps next year when the Clippers move into a new ballpark they will overhaul their uniforms.

  • Rick White in Cedar Park, TX | June 17, 2008 at 9:21 am |

    [quote comment=”275867″][quote comment=”275865″]Fascinating article about that switch-pitcher, but the reporter missed the obvious question…

    what happens when a switch-hitter comes to bat??!

    Who gets the last choice of which side they will hit or pitch from??

    Can you picture it? Batter steps in righty…pitcher puts glove on left hand…batter calls time and switches over to the left side of the plate…. pitcher puts glove on right hand… back and forth they go in some kind of existentialist baseball mobius strip….[/quote]

    jet, my head hurts, picturing your escher-esque tableau…great mental imagry ;)

    simple solution, to my mind…batter chooses a side…pitcher pitches from the same side…if the batter chooses to “switch” again…he takes the first pitch in the earhole[/quote]

    Now, that’s Major League Baseball thinking!

    LI Phil for commissioner!!

  • Kevin M. | June 17, 2008 at 9:23 am |

    [quote comment=”275869″][quote comment=”275867″][quote comment=”275865″]Fascinating article about that switch-pitcher, but the reporter missed the obvious question…

    what happens when a switch-hitter comes to bat??!

    Who gets the last choice of which side they will hit or pitch from??

    Can you picture it? Batter steps in righty…pitcher puts glove on left hand…batter calls time and switches over to the left side of the plate…. pitcher puts glove on right hand… back and forth they go in some kind of existentialist baseball mobius strip….[/quote]

    jet, my head hurts, picturing your escher-esque tableau…great mental imagry ;)

    simple solution, to my mind…batter chooses a side…pitcher pitches from the same side…if the batter chooses to “switch” again…he takes the first pitch in the earhole[/quote]

    Now, that’s Major League Baseball thinking!

    LI Phil for commissioner!![/quote]

    They could do it like hockey and home team has last change.

  • Jim | June 17, 2008 at 9:24 am |

    [quote comment=”275869″][quote comment=”275867″][quote comment=”275865″]Fascinating article about that switch-pitcher, but the reporter missed the obvious question…

    what happens when a switch-hitter comes to bat??!

    Who gets the last choice of which side they will hit or pitch from??

    Can you picture it? Batter steps in righty…pitcher puts glove on left hand…batter calls time and switches over to the left side of the plate…. pitcher puts glove on right hand… back and forth they go in some kind of existentialist baseball mobius strip….[/quote]

    jet, my head hurts, picturing your escher-esque tableau…great mental imagry ;)

    simple solution, to my mind…batter chooses a side…pitcher pitches from the same side…if the batter chooses to “switch” again…he takes the first pitch in the earhole[/quote]

    Now, that’s Major League Baseball thinking!

    LI Phil for commissioner!![/quote]

    Can a batter switch in the middle of trip to the plate? I mean let’s say he gets up there right handed, gets in to a 0-2 count, then feels like switching to left handed. Can he do that?

  • Phil | June 17, 2008 at 9:25 am |

    I think Paul’s latest vintage jersey looks more like an old basketball warmup. Picture Bob Cousy wearing that when he was a kid.

  • LI Phil | June 17, 2008 at 9:31 am |

    didn’t kruky switch sides in a ASG at-bat against the unit?

    /bad example, but an example nonetheless

  • Zak | June 17, 2008 at 9:32 am |

    [quote comment=”275865″]Fascinating article about that switch-pitcher, but the reporter missed the obvious question…

    what happens when a switch-hitter comes to bat??!

    Who gets the last choice of which side they will hit or pitch from??

    Can you picture it? Batter steps in righty…pitcher puts glove on left hand…batter calls time and switches over to the left side of the plate…. pitcher puts glove on right hand… back and forth they go in some kind of existentialist baseball mobius strip….

    -Jet[/quote]

    I forget where I read this, but this apparently happened in a game in the 1910’s, and the pitcher’s mound became a black hole the ruling was that the pitcher must declare what arm he will throw with first, and he must maintain that through the at-bat.

    Also, wikipedia says that this guy isn’t a switch pitcher, but a switch-thrower. Who knew?

  • Ken | June 17, 2008 at 9:34 am |

    I was watching the Angels/Mets game last night and noticed Vlad Guerrero has the same sleeve piping problem that several other major leaguers have had recently. I think Johan Santana was featured with this problem a few weeks back.

  • MPowers1634 | June 17, 2008 at 9:38 am |

    [quote comment=”275865″]Fascinating article about that switch-pitcher, but the reporter missed the obvious question…

    what happens when a switch-hitter comes to bat??!

    Who gets the last choice of which side they will hit or pitch from??

    Can you picture it? Batter steps in righty…pitcher puts glove on left hand…batter calls time and switches over to the left side of the plate…. pitcher puts glove on right hand… back and forth they go in some kind of existentialist baseball mobius strip….

    -Jet[/quote]

    I instantly thought of that question as well when reading about Greg Harris!

    BTW UWers…last night, I completed my Football Officiating Certification Course with a pasing grade of 90 on the exam!!!!

    I will soon have a Union meeting wherein a vendor will explain and offer the necessary merchandise that I will need.

    I’ll keep you guys posted! Look out, Ed Hercules, you’ve got some competition!!!

    Sorry, Minna!

  • Paul Lukas | June 17, 2008 at 9:38 am |

    [quote comment=”275872″]I think Paul’s latest vintage jersey looks more like an old basketball warmup. Picture Bob Cousy wearing that when he was a kid.[/quote]

    Someone else suggested to me in an e-mail. But the uni number (7) seems to suggest otherwise.

  • Jay | June 17, 2008 at 9:39 am |

    [quote comment=\”275868\”][quote comment=\”275857\”]I was at the Indianapolis Indians game last night, and we were playing the Columbus Clippers. now the Clippers used to be the Yankees farm team so they of course have pinstripe home jerseys and same color style as the yankees.
    http://clippersbaseb...

    http://newyork.yanke...

    Well now the Clippers are the Nationals farm team, and one thing i noticed last night from the game that was odd, was that the Clippers still had the same hat design from the yankee days.
    http://mlb.imageg.ne...

    But their road uniforms were done up in Nationals style font and everything.
    http://www.clippersb...
    http://content.answe...

    oh yea Paul by the way got my Uni-watch card in the mail yesterday it looks freaking sweet!![/quote]

    Teams don\’t necessarily change their caps when they change affiliates, though the Clippers did add an alternate cap:

    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    Perhaps next year when the Clippers move into a new ballpark they will overhaul their uniforms.[/quote]

    They\’ve had that cap design for awhile. It\’s the BP cap logo. Also, the Nationals font jersey is actually an alternate. The road uni is just like the Yankees road, except it says \”Columbus\” instead of \”New York\”.

    Interestingly, they\’ve been running promos this year celebrating the Columbus baseball teams of the past by giving away replica hats:

    http://clippersbaseb...

    I\’m sorry to see the TSA \”padge\” go. I made fun of my brother quite often for it…

  • MPowers1634 | June 17, 2008 at 9:40 am |

    [quote comment=”275873″]didn’t kruky switch sides in a ASG at-bat against the unit?

    /bad example, but an example nonetheless[/quote]

    Phil,

    I seem to remember hijinks from that game involving both Larry Walker and Kruk!

    Thanks for the YIM on FD…I got it way too late to respond!

  • u2-horn | June 17, 2008 at 9:43 am |

    I’m an old Ranger fan and remember the discussion when Greg Harris was pitching here. I’m pretty sure that a switch pitcher and/or batter can’t change after the first pitch.

  • Jay | June 17, 2008 at 9:51 am |

    The Clippers promo link doesn’t show all the hats. Here are a few more:

    http://clippersbaseb...

    http://clippersbaseb...

    For awhile, they were the Columbus Jets and had a great logo with a jets circling the C. I can’t find it online though…

  • Juan Grande | June 17, 2008 at 9:52 am |

    Well, all of you Mets fans should be happy. Willie Randolph got canned.

  • Chip B | June 17, 2008 at 9:56 am |

    The Columbus Clippers road jersey is now in the Nationals’ style.
    http://clippersbaseb...

    They don’t use the Yankees style road jersey any more and are selling the old game used road jerseys in the team shop.

  • Rick White in Cedar Park, TX | June 17, 2008 at 9:58 am |

    [quote comment=”275882″]Well, all of you Mets fans should be happy. Willie Randolph got canned.[/quote]

    Yeah …
    on the road
    after a win
    at midnight

    Way to treat guys Mets.

  • rc | June 17, 2008 at 9:59 am |

    [quote comment=”275858″]I’m completely stoked over my latest vintage jersey. No idea what it was used for (soccer?), but it’s totally boss (extra-special thanks to Scott Turner, who tipped me wise to this one after spotting it on eBay)

    Looks more like a cycling jersey.[/quote]

    Once I saw the front, I thought the same thing, cycling jersey. But then I saw the back, I don’t think (even way back when) that cyclist wore thier name on the back of thier jerseys, let alone a sewn in number (not a race tag). I couldn’t find any photos to suggest it. It looks to be pre-Merckx at any rate if it is a cycling jersey.

  • kj | June 17, 2008 at 10:00 am |

    [quote comment=”275866″]
    Our fields were flooded from Saturday’s rain. And then it rained again at about 1pm. And then it got really nice, but by that time it was too late.[/quote]

    For once, we got a nice sunny Sunday for softball. So, in lieu of Paul’s pictures, feel free to laugh at the fat guy who can’t keep his jersey tucked in. I swear to you, I leave the house with it fully tucked in, but at some point during our games–we play two each Sunday–I give up on it.

    And, yes, I’m wearing real stirrups, just not the high ones. I have some with white stripes, but they’re starting to fall apart, so I replaced them with the solid version. If anyone knows where to buy green stirrups with some nice stripes, let me know. (Also, I’d show a little sani–usually gray–but the need to wear my ankle braces under the stirrups keep that from happening.)

  • Wade Harder | June 17, 2008 at 10:03 am |

    Are those seriously the new Michigan football uniforms? Can Adidas not afford tackle twill lettering?

  • EGlick | June 17, 2008 at 10:07 am |

    I wonder how all this trademark talk applies to the fact that the Knicks wore the Yankees interlocking NY on the jerseys for a period of time in the ’80s.
    I always found that weird and it seemed like a huge case of trademark infringement. Anyone know what the hell this was all about and why it thankfully ended? http://weblogs.newsd...

  • zurk | June 17, 2008 at 10:14 am |

    Larry Walker switched sides after Kruk’s at bat. Wore hais batting helmet backward….looks like you can switch sides once during an at bat.

  • LI Phil | June 17, 2008 at 10:14 am |

    [quote comment=”275884″][quote comment=”275882″]Well, all of you Mets fans should be happy. Willie Randolph got canned.[/quote]

    Yeah …
    on the road
    after a win
    at midnight

    Way to treat guys Mets.[/quote]

    12:37 am, PDT…omar’s to do list

    1. can willie
    2. trade for a spine

  • Jay | June 17, 2008 at 10:16 am |

    Now Victoria’s Secret is getting into the licensed merchandise business:

    http://www.dispatch....

  • LI Phil | June 17, 2008 at 10:17 am |

    [quote comment=”275886″]For once, we got a nice sunny Sunday for softball. So, in lieu of Paul’s pictures, feel free to laugh at the fat guy who can’t keep his jersey tucked in.[/quote]

    love to, but it’s set to “private”

  • Ricko | June 17, 2008 at 10:18 am |

    As I understand it, if you use a logo for too long with trademarking it or without policing the use of it by others, it becomes considered public domain.

    In the early 70s, I believe it was, the Toronto Maple Leafs went to the more stylized leaf they still use today because they’d let the more biologially accurate leaf slip into public domain. The club hadn’t kept an eye on things and apparently even dry cleaners and such were using the logo in their ads.

    I’ll bet, since the Mets got it from the Giants and the Giants bottowed it from somewhere else (a little help on that, please?) that the Mets’ hat logo is public domain. Maybe not in royal blue and orange, but the basic “NY” probably can be used by anyone.

    Just a guess.

  • Marty Met | June 17, 2008 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment=”275888″]I wonder how all this trademark talk applies to the fact that the Knicks wore the Yankees interlocking NY on the jerseys for a period of time in the ’80s.
    I always found that weird and it seemed like a huge case of trademark infringement. Anyone know what the hell this was all about and why it thankfully ended? http://weblogs.newsd...

    It’s not the same as any of the 4 different interlocking NYs the Yankees use.

  • kj | June 17, 2008 at 10:20 am |

    [quote comment=”275892″]love to, but it’s set to “private”[/quote]
    Damn. It’s not my picture, a friend took it and has it on his flickr account.

    Well, ok, I’ve [url=http://www.m9d.net/cc/kj-softball-2008-06-15.jpg]saved the picture out on my server now[/url]. Laugh away.

  • kj | June 17, 2008 at 10:21 am |

    Oops. Wrong tags.

    Softball picture, take three

  • Ricko | June 17, 2008 at 10:24 am |

    Once a batter has two strikes, he can’t switch to the other batter’s box. That comes up every once in while after a pitching change.

  • Broadway Connie | June 17, 2008 at 10:26 am |

    [quote comment=”275877″][quote comment=”275872″]I think Paul’s latest vintage jersey looks more like an old basketball warmup. Picture Bob Cousy wearing that when he was a kid.[/quote]

    Someone else suggested to me in an e-mail. But the uni number (7) seems to suggest otherwise.[/quote]

    Why, Paul? Is 7 an unbasketbally number? Educate us. Sure looks like a basketball warmup top to me. That the team name is Joliet and that the Midwest was once the heartland of hoops adds to the evidence.

    By the way, the soccer gods are obviously displeased that both Italy and France dared to wear kits that were all-blue-neck-to-toe in both of their games. What ever happened to dark top/white shorts?

  • Ricko | June 17, 2008 at 10:28 am |

    [quote comment=”275896″]Oops. Wrong tags.

    Softball picture, take three[/quote]

    Hey, you’re no Paul Lukas (then again, who is).

    Good to have SOMEBODY’S softball photo here every week. Proves we aren’t all sitting home in mom’s basement watching for unravelled piping 24/7.

  • Anthony Verna | June 17, 2008 at 10:33 am |

    [quote comment=”275893″]As I understand it, if you use a logo for too long with trademarking it or without policing the use of it by others, it becomes considered public domain.

    In the early 70s, I believe it was, the Toronto Maple Leafs went to the more stylized leaf they still use today because they’d let the more biologially accurate leaf slip into public domain. The club hadn’t kept an eye on things and apparently even dry cleaners and such were using the logo in their ads.

    I’ll bet, since the Mets got it from the Giants and the Giants bottowed it from somewhere else (a little help on that, please?) that the Mets’ hat logo is public domain. Maybe not in royal blue and orange, but the basic “NY” probably can be used by anyone.

    Just a guess.[/quote]

    You don’t need to register a mark, but it does take care of several evidentiary issues should you need to go to court.

    You do need to police the use of marks – be it with a registered or an unregistered mark.

    As for this situation, the interlocking “NY” mark is quite tricky, having had different sources (teams) over the years and that NY is just short for “New York,” and geographical marks are considered weak marks.

  • kj | June 17, 2008 at 10:34 am |

    [quote comment=”275899″]
    Hey, you’re no Paul Lukas (then again, who is).
    [/quote]
    Going by weight, I’m probably two Pauls.

  • Zak | June 17, 2008 at 10:34 am |

    [quote comment=”275898″][quote comment=”275877″][quote comment=”275872″]I think Paul’s latest vintage jersey looks more like an old basketball warmup. Picture Bob Cousy wearing that when he was a kid.[/quote]

    Someone else suggested to me in an e-mail. But the uni number (7) seems to suggest otherwise.[/quote]

    Why, Paul? Is 7 an unbasketbally number? Educate us. Sure looks like a basketball warmup top to me. That the team name is Joliet and that the Midwest was once the heartland of hoops adds to the evidence.

    By the way, the soccer gods are obviously displeased that both Italy and France dared to wear kits that were all-blue-neck-to-toe in both of their games. What ever happened to dark top/white shorts?[/quote]

    The way it used to be, and still is at certain levels, is that a player can only wear a nummeral from 0 to 5, so the ref can use one hand to denote the number for fouls, subs, etc. If you go even farther back, there was a rule that home teams could only wear even numbers, while away teams could only wear odd numbers, which is why in old programs a player’s number would be listed as “12/13”

  • BrianC | June 17, 2008 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment=”275872″]I think Paul’s latest vintage jersey looks more like an old basketball warmup. Picture Bob Cousy wearing that when he was a kid.[/quote]

    I agree. I’ve seen a few like that.

  • Freddie Pickles | June 17, 2008 at 10:37 am |

    [quote comment=”275898″]

    Why, Paul? Is 7 an unbasketbally number? Educate us. Sure looks like a basketball warmup top to me. quote]
    It used to be players could not wear a digit higher than 5. They could wear 13 because neither digit is higher than five, but no 7’s etc. It has to do with referrees signaling fouls and such. this has been discussed at length before, but I do not know how to find discussions in the archives.

  • Juan Grande | June 17, 2008 at 10:37 am |

    [quote comment=”275890″][quote comment=”275884″][quote comment=”275882″]Well, all of you Mets fans should be happy. Willie Randolph got canned.[/quote]

    Yeah …
    on the road
    after a win
    at midnight

    Way to treat guys Mets.[/quote]

    12:37 am, PDT…omar’s to do list

    1. can willie
    2. trade for a spine[/quote]

    Would you expect anything else from a New York sports club?

  • LI Phil | June 17, 2008 at 10:37 am |

    [quote comment=”275901″]Hey, you’re no Paul Lukas (then again, who is).
    [/quote]

    you say that like it’s a bad thing

  • Ricko | June 17, 2008 at 10:40 am |

    I remember reading how shocked the Maple Leafs were to learn that they’d let their own logo slip away.

    Well, it worked out okay because the resulting Leafs logo is, stylistically, one the best of the simple (meaning uncomplicated) logos around.

  • 20 Fingers » The ?? Chronicles, Continued | June 17, 2008 at 10:44 am |

    […] The ?? Chronicles, Continued …registered trademark that I can find comes from May 20, 1969. It’s the … pitch with either arm and wears a glove with six fingers and two […]

  • Ricko | June 17, 2008 at 10:46 am |

    [quote comment=”275906″][quote comment=”275901″]Hey, you’re no Paul Lukas (then again, who is).
    [/quote]

    you say that like it’s a bad thing[/quote]

    DISCLAIMER: Reference is to degree of stirrupyness exhibited by particular player in photo supplied by said player. Any additional inferences by reader are result of reader’s own, um…inferences.

    (There. Given today’s theme, a disclaimer seemed appropriate)

  • Ricko | June 17, 2008 at 10:52 am |

    “Yeah …
    on the road
    after a win
    at midnight”

    Kinda the same way some people get rid of dog, isn’t it? “Just let him out in the desert and leave, Dear, he’ll never find his way home.”

    Yeah, a really classy move. Not.

  • LI Phil | June 17, 2008 at 10:53 am |

    [quote comment=”275876″]last night, I completed my Football Officiating Certification Course with a pasing grade of 90 on the exam!!!![/quote]

    pasing?

    was this the wonderlic?

    [quote]I’ll keep you guys posted! Look out, Ed Hercules, you’ve got some competition!!!

    Sorry, Minna![/quote]

    ed hochuli fears no man…except maybe chuck norris

  • j10 | June 17, 2008 at 10:57 am |

    I was umpiring a Legion baseball game last week and because of high winds, both pitcher’s hats were flying off, one worse than the other. One of the pitchers actually removed his hat and did not wear it while pitching for the rest of the game. Has anyone else seen anything like this. I’ve seen hats blow off, but not from standing around.
    The player actually asked me if he could play w/o his hat, and I almost told him that he should find a smaller hat and cut his hair. I did say no, because it is a uniform violation, but the home plate umpire told him after the inning that it was ok, because we didn’t need to waste 45 seconds after each pitch watching this guy put on his hat.

  • Perry | June 17, 2008 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”275897″]Once a batter has two strikes, he can’t switch to the other batter’s box. That comes up every once in while after a pitching change.[/quote]

    Where is that in the rules? I can’t find it.

  • Ricko | June 17, 2008 at 11:13 am |

    I’m just going by what I’ve learned from broadcasts over the years.

    “j10” (above) is an ump, maybe he can give us an answer.

  • DJ | June 17, 2008 at 11:13 am |

    Are those seriously the new Michigan football uniforms? Can Adidas not afford tackle twill lettering?

    Adidas uses tackle twill for Notre Dame’s and UCLA’s jerseys. Perhaps Michigan didn’t want tackle twill.

  • Stuby | June 17, 2008 at 11:18 am |

    I vividly remember wathcing that Kevin Mitchell NNOB episode at Wrigley on TV. Weird seeing him in #9 but he was able to swap with Bob Melvin for #7 after the season. The year after that, Melvin left and Matt Williams switched from #10 to his more familiar #9. I think we’re all caught up now.

  • Nicole | June 17, 2008 at 11:19 am |

    Since we’re talking Cubs today, does anyone know what the deal is with the bat boy that wears khakis and a polo shirt and/or windbreaker? I’ve seen him both on TV and in person at Wrigley. He’s definitely a younger kid and he’s the only one. There are other ball boys in unis and stirrups, but this guy looks like a bad security guard – except that he’s like 15.

  • MikeyB | June 17, 2008 at 11:28 am |

    Bryan, awesome article in the OWH today. I didn’t read who wrote it at first and I was thinking, man, somebody sure does hate Nike. Then I looked up and saw who wrote it and I jumped with joy.

  • Robert | June 17, 2008 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”275910″]”Yeah …
    on the road
    after a win
    at midnight”

    Kinda the same way some people get rid of dog, isn’t it? “Just let him out in the desert and leave, Dear, he’ll never find his way home.”

    Yeah, a really classy move. Not.[/quote]

    Perhaps so, but I won’t be giving Randolph too much sympathy. When we was a coach, he voiced an opinion a time or two about black coaches not being given enough opportunities to manage. True enough.

    However, when the Reds offered him their managing job, he declined because it didn’t pay enough. At that point, I lost all respect for him and his complaints about not being given opportunities.

    Bob Boone ultimately took the job for peanuts, because he desperately wanted a chance to manage again.

  • MPowers1634 | June 17, 2008 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”275916″]Are those seriously the new Michigan football uniforms? Can Adidas not afford tackle twill lettering?

    Adidas uses tackle twill for Notre Dame’s and UCLA’s jerseys. Perhaps Michigan didn’t want tackle twill.[/quote]

    I doubt that UM and Adidas gave the Women’s Football Academy game issued jerseys but replicas instead!

  • MPowers1634 | June 17, 2008 at 11:41 am |

    [quote comment=”275911″][quote comment=”275876″]last night, I completed my Football Officiating Certification Course with a pasing grade of 90 on the exam!!!![/quote]

    pasing?

    was this the wonderlic?

    [quote]I’ll keep you guys posted! Look out, Ed Hercules, you’ve got some competition!!!

    Sorry, Minna![/quote]

    ed hochuli fears no man…except maybe chuck norris[/quote]

    Passing…nice catch, Phil!

    BTW, have you guys ever seen the Wonderlic? It is an insult to one’s intelligence!

    http://walterfootbal...

  • Smail | June 17, 2008 at 11:52 am |

    Looking at those Clippers hat giveaways, scroll down to the 2000’s hat. It’s been re-colored in Nats colors. When the Clippers wore that hat, it was solid blue, not grey as pictured on the site.

    http://clippersbaseb...

  • Rick White in Cedar Park, TX | June 17, 2008 at 11:56 am |

    [quote]BTW, have you guys ever seen the Wonderlic? It is an insult to one’s intelligence!

    http://walterfootbal...

    I scored a 40. Didn’t answer 17 and 18 because of time. Messed up on 4, 10, and 11.

  • MPowers1634 | June 17, 2008 at 11:59 am |

    Actually, in a timed setting, some of the Wonderlic questions would be tough…

    Interesting…I was on the Dick’s Sporting Goods website and I found these cleats.

    http://www.dicksspor...

    I”m surprised that they’re still being sold!

  • Ricko | June 17, 2008 at 12:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”275922″][quote comment=”275911″][quote comment=”275876″]last night, I completed my Football Officiating Certification Course with a pasing grade of 90 on the exam!!!![/quote]

    pasing?

    was this the wonderlic?

    [quote]I’ll keep you guys posted! Look out, Ed Hercules, you’ve got some competition!!!

    Sorry, Minna![/quote]

    ed hochuli fears no man…except maybe chuck norris[/quote]

    Passing…nice catch, Phil!

    BTW, have you guys ever seen the Wonderlic? It is an insult to one’s intelligence!

    http://walterfootbal...

    So maybe next season Jeff Foxworthy could host “Are You Smarter Than A First Rounder?”

    First question: If you are a Raider wide receiver in Vegas and you’re seen buying 15 bottles of dom perignon in a club, should you think perhaps you’re making yourself a target for robbery?”

  • Nicole | June 17, 2008 at 12:00 pm |

    Did you see question 3 on that sample Wonderlic?

    3. Paper cells for 21 cents per pad. What will 5 pads cost?

    Don’t they spell check?

  • LI Phil | June 17, 2008 at 12:02 pm |

    they’ll spell check next febtober

  • Jim | June 17, 2008 at 12:06 pm |

    I’ll vote in favor of the “old basketball warmup” theory. The “only use digits 0-5” in amateur basketball rule seems like it’s been around forever, but it’s really only been in effect since the mid-50s.

    (Google up a picture of Clyde Lovellette, wearing #16 for the 1952 NCAA Champion Kansas Jayhawks, for an example.)

  • Juan Grande | June 17, 2008 at 12:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”275924″][quote]BTW, have you guys ever seen the Wonderlic? It is an insult to one’s intelligence!

    http://walterfootbal...

    I scored a 40. Didn’t answer 17 and 18 because of time. Messed up on 4, 10, and 11.[/quote]

    I scored a 42.5 yoo-hoo! I used to work for a company that administered the Wonderlic to all management applicants. I was told the minimum you could score and still get hired was 25. I guess Donovan McNabb, Deltha O’Neal, and Vince Young wouldn’t be working with me!

  • Juan Grande | June 17, 2008 at 12:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”275928″]they’ll spell check next febtober[/quote]

    Come on Phil, check your MLB calender. Febtober follows Rocktober.

  • Ricko | June 17, 2008 at 12:19 pm |

    The knit waistband’s a dead giveway.
    Basketball warmup.

    Can’t imagine a sport where something that could ride up like that during competition would be advisable.

    For warming up, no prob.

  • werthj | June 17, 2008 at 12:31 pm |

    I found thins on mlb.com.
    On the Cubs logo is a TM, not the R symbol.
    What is the specific difference between the two, and why are they each being used in reference to the same logo?
    Just curious…
    http://www.flickr.co...

  • MPowers1634 | June 17, 2008 at 12:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”275928″]they’ll spell check next febtober[/quote]

    Very good!!!

  • Kevin Z. | June 17, 2008 at 12:48 pm |

    Sorry this is a day late, but from the link of the Giants’ orange sanitaries yesterday, I searched Dressed to the Nines to figure out how many years they had them and noticed that for about 5 or 6 years the Giants didn’t have a road gray uniform set. I guess I always assumed that the colored jerseys of the 70s and 80s were just thirds, but did most teams who used colored jerseys not have a gray as well?

  • MPowers1634 | June 17, 2008 at 12:50 pm |

    If you thought that these names would pose problems for equipment managers:

    http://www.bengals.c...

    http://bamastatespor...

    http://texas.rangers...

    http://wsucougars.cs...

    Then you haven’t seen this one:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    I only hope that the realtor’s jerseys are NNOB!

  • joe | June 17, 2008 at 12:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”275918″]Since we’re talking Cubs today, does anyone know what the deal is with the bat boy that wears khakis and a polo shirt and/or windbreaker? I’ve seen him both on TV and in person at Wrigley. He’s definitely a younger kid and he’s the only one. There are other ball boys in unis and stirrups, but this guy looks like a bad security guard – except that he’s like 15.[/quote]
    That guy is security, hes been there a while, hes just not a big guy, a few years ago a guy from the 1st base side ran onto the field from the “home plate” side of the dugout. The guy in khakis on the cubs dugout side bolted and gave him a flying tackle before he reached the mound. It was awesome.

  • Ricko | June 17, 2008 at 12:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”275935″]Sorry this is a day late, but from the link of the Giants’ orange sanitaries yesterday, I searched Dressed to the Nines to figure out how many years they had them and noticed that for about 5 or 6 years the Giants didn’t have a road gray uniform set. I guess I always assumed that the colored jerseys of the 70s and 80s were just thirds, but did most teams who used colored jerseys not have a gray as well?[/quote]

    Back then, most teams who wore colored jerseys on the road had no gray jerseys or pants at all, that’s true. Not saying everyone, but overwhelming majority wore white pants on the road, too.

  • MPowers1634 | June 17, 2008 at 1:04 pm |

    “I have some with white stripes, but they’re starting to fall apart, so I replaced them with the solid version. If anyone knows where to buy green stirrups with some nice stripes, let me know.”

    “Fu@&, that…Make your own motherf*&%ing stirrups!”

  • Christopher | June 17, 2008 at 1:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”275933″]I found thins on mlb.com.
    On the Cubs logo is a TM, not the R symbol.
    What is the specific difference between the two, and why are they each being used in reference to the same logo?
    Just curious…
    http://www.flickr.co...

    From what I’ve heard (I’m not a lawyer, and a laywer would be better to answer this)…

    The circle-R can only correctly be used if its registered with the USPTO. However, anyone can use “TM”. The “TM” doesn’t give you any “rights” but it more or less shows due dilligence that you’re claiming something as a trademark.

    I’ve been in a design department long ago for an upstart company that was looking to register some logos as trademarks. From what I remember, our attorney told me to use “TM” for now, and then circle-R whenever it got registered (which was never- they went out of business).

  • Jeff | June 17, 2008 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”275877″][quote comment=”275872″]I think Paul’s latest vintage jersey looks more like an old basketball warmup. Picture Bob Cousy wearing that when he was a kid.[/quote]

    Someone else suggested to me in an e-mail. But the uni number (7) seems to suggest otherwise.[/quote]

    I live in Joliet. The moment I saw that jersey, the colors are a dead match for the Joliet Township HS:

    http://www.jths.org/...

    I know the number is high, but I second the basketball pullover.

  • Anthony Verna | June 17, 2008 at 1:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”275940″][quote comment=”275933″]I found thins on mlb.com.
    On the Cubs logo is a TM, not the R symbol.
    What is the specific difference between the two, and why are they each being used in reference to the same logo?
    Just curious…
    http://www.flickr.co...

    From what I’ve heard (I’m not a lawyer, and a laywer would be better to answer this)…

    The circle-R can only correctly be used if its registered with the USPTO. However, anyone can use “TM”. The “TM” doesn’t give you any “rights” but it more or less shows due dilligence that you’re claiming something as a trademark.

    I’ve been in a design department long ago for an upstart company that was looking to register some logos as trademarks. From what I remember, our attorney told me to use “TM” for now, and then circle-R whenever it got registered (which was never- they went out of business).[/quote]

    Correct. (And it’s certainly not the first time. At my old firm, one of my favorite trademark applications ended because the company went out of business before it could be completed.)

  • Anthony Verna | June 17, 2008 at 1:25 pm |

    Actually, let me add to that “Correct.”

    As I said in an earlier comment, when the mark is not a registered mark, the big problems come in should another person or company use the mark. Registering the trademark (in the United States) is always a good idea because then the owner says that 1) the trademark is used in all of the United States and 2) the goods and services that the mark represents are in the application.

    There are rights in unregistered trademarks. I just wouldn’t want to argue about them in court if I had a trademark.

  • JF in DC | June 17, 2008 at 1:31 pm |

    “Bills in Toronto” logo introduced today:

    http://buffalobills....

  • Paul | June 17, 2008 at 1:53 pm |

    I’m a huge Cubs fan and I’ve been lurking here for a while. Here is my take on the Cubs R:

    In 1979 the Cubs changed the left sleeve patch and also updated the chest logo. The blue circle on the logo was widened. That is when the R first showed up. I have checked many pictures and never saw the R on a patch with the narrow blue circle. Every patch with the wide circle has the R. So my best guess is the R first appeared in 1979 with the updated logo.

    Someone speculated earlier that it was Tribune lawyers who slappped the R on. But in 1979 the team was still owned by the Wrigley family. So the Trib gets a pass on this one.

    On a side note, I have a 40 year collection of Cubs media guides. The cover alway has a Cubs logo on it and the R first showed up on the cover in 1978.

  • Kevin | June 17, 2008 at 1:54 pm |

    Just an FYI on the ticker item – the name of the city is St. Catharines, not St. Catherine’s.

  • scott | June 17, 2008 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”275935″]Sorry this is a day late, but from the link of the Giants’ orange sanitaries yesterday, I searched Dressed to the Nines to figure out how many years they had them and noticed that for about 5 or 6 years the Giants didn’t have a road gray uniform set. I guess I always assumed that the colored jerseys of the 70s and 80s were just thirds, but did most teams who used colored jerseys not have a gray as well?[/quote]

    When the Cubs in the mid 1980s wore blue tops on the road, that was always paired with white pants. There was no gray uniform top or bottoms.

  • scott | June 17, 2008 at 1:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”275923″]Looking at those Clippers hat giveaways, scroll down to the 2000’s hat. It’s been re-colored in Nats colors. When the Clippers wore that hat, it was solid blue, not grey as pictured on the site.

    http://clippersbaseb...

    But the Clippers still wear that cap today, so it’s not necessarily a turn-back-the-clock cap that is being given away.

  • Steve | June 17, 2008 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”275859″]I hope that Paul and other slightly built fellows appreciate their ability to wear the cool vintage jerseys that are to be found here and there. Those of us bigger fellows (6’3″, 200 lbs. here) rarely see old jerseys that would fit us comfortably.[/quote]

    Well you could put those jerseys to thier intended use and drop some LBs. In light of Tim Russerts passing I think we all could take a little better care of ourselves. It would be nice to be able to enjoy Uniwatch as long as possible.

  • JT | June 17, 2008 at 2:11 pm |

    I haven’t got any proof, but I think I’ve seen rodeo clowns wearing faux stirrups for quite a while. I’m pretty sure it’s not a new thing, but I don’t attend many rodeos. I thought it might have been in the movie Pee Wee’s Big Adventure, but the clown in this clip (around 0:25) doesn’t have stirrups, just cool striped tube socks.

  • Nicole | June 17, 2008 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”275937″][quote comment=”275918″]Since we’re talking Cubs today, does anyone know what the deal is with the bat boy that wears khakis and a polo shirt and/or windbreaker? I’ve seen him both on TV and in person at Wrigley. He’s definitely a younger kid and he’s the only one. There are other ball boys in unis and stirrups, but this guy looks like a bad security guard – except that he’s like 15.[/quote]
    That guy is security, hes been there a while, hes just not a big guy, a few years ago a guy from the 1st base side ran onto the field from the “home plate” side of the dugout. The guy in khakis on the cubs dugout side bolted and gave him a flying tackle before he reached the mound. It was awesome.[/quote]

    Ok, but the guy I’m talking about always takes balls to the ump – everywhere else I’ve been, that’s a ball boy’s job.

  • MPowers1634 | June 17, 2008 at 2:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”275950″]I haven’t got any proof, but I think I’ve seen rodeo clowns wearing faux stirrups for quite a while. I’m pretty sure it’s not a new thing, but I don’t attend many rodeos. I thought it might have been in the movie Pee Wee’s Big Adventure, but the clown in this clip (around 0:25) doesn’t have stirrups, just cool striped tube socks.[/quote]

    He might have been wearing them in the basement of the Alamo!

  • eric | June 17, 2008 at 2:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”275944″]”Bills in Toronto” logo introduced today:

    http://buffalobills....

    Glad they spent 10 minutes putting that together. A lazy, lazy design.

  • Ricko | June 17, 2008 at 2:50 pm |

    Here’s an idea. We’ll all wear Tampa Bay hosiery, speak with phony fake French accents while playing, and call our team “Socks Rays Blue”.

    And people think some of these posts are a waste of time.

    (Just kickin’ the side of the box a little to keep the marbles movin’).

    Okay, Craven, where’s my DAMMIT.

  • LI Phil | June 17, 2008 at 2:56 pm |

    [quote]Okay, Craven, where’s my DAMMIT[/quote]

    you ever hear the one about sleeping dogs?

  • Ricko | June 17, 2008 at 3:04 pm |

    “Don’t wake the Craven”, eh?
    Okay, I’m a relative newbie here, so duly noted.

  • kj | June 17, 2008 at 3:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”275949″][quote comment=”275859″]Those of us bigger fellows (6’3″, 200 lbs. here) rarely see old jerseys that would fit us comfortably.[/quote]
    Well you could put those jerseys to thier intended use and drop some LBs.[/quote]
    Because 200 at 6’3″ is obese….?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Paul’s just a tad shorter than 6’3″. So even if Robert dropped those supposed extra pounds, I don’t think he and Paul would still be competing for the same clothes.

    As if 200 at 6’3″ is somehow overweight. Riiiiight.

  • LarenR | June 17, 2008 at 3:15 pm |

    Watching the NED v ROM Euro match.

    Netherlands is wearing all “oranje” (jersey, shorts, and socks); they look like really fast Creamsicles (R).

    Romania seems to have taken a page out of the MLB uni look. They are wearing otherwise-pleasing all white with blue lettering, but have a two-tone side panel a la baseball’s BP jerseys. In their defense, the panel is red and yellow, incorporating the colors of their national flag.

  • Rick | June 17, 2008 at 3:16 pm |

    Re: “Ok, but the guy I’m talking about always takes balls to the ump – everywhere else I’ve been, that’s a ball boy’s job.”

    Not necessarily. In Baltimore, Ernie Tyler delivers the balls to the umpire just as he as done since 1960 without missing a game. He wares khaki’s and an O’s shirt or jacket and not a uniform.

  • Rick White in Cedar Park, TX | June 17, 2008 at 3:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”275957″][quote comment=”275949″][quote comment=”275859″]Those of us bigger fellows (6’3″, 200 lbs. here) rarely see old jerseys that would fit us comfortably.[/quote]
    Well you could put those jerseys to thier intended use and drop some LBs.[/quote]
    Because 200 at 6’3″ is obese….?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Paul’s just a tad shorter than 6’3″. So even if Robert dropped those supposed extra pounds, I don’t think he and Paul would still be competing for the same clothes.

    As if 200 at 6’3″ is somehow overweight. Riiiiight.[/quote]

    The U.S. Army maximum weight standard for a 21-27 year old male that is 6’3″ tall is 212.

  • Christopher | June 17, 2008 at 3:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”275943″]Actually, let me add to that “Correct.”

    As I said in an earlier comment, when the mark is not a registered mark, the big problems come in should another person or company use the mark. Registering the trademark (in the United States) is always a good idea because then the owner says that 1) the trademark is used in all of the United States and 2) the goods and services that the mark represents are in the application.

    There are rights in unregistered trademarks. I just wouldn’t want to argue about them in court if I had a trademark.[/quote]

    Thanks. Yeah, as far as I know registering a mark, and using the circle-R merely help you a bit in a trademark infringement case.

    However, if you don’t do any of the above- or even use the TM- its not like that gives someone a right to use your logo. I think common sense does prevail.

    Our company has a logo, not registered, no “TM” on the design. If someone started using it, and we took them to court, I highly doubt our case would be thrown out. Its just too obvious of an infringement.

  • Perry | June 17, 2008 at 3:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”275915″]I’m just going by what I’ve learned from broadcasts over the years.

    “j10” (above) is an ump, maybe he can give us an answer.[/quote]

    I think it’s one of those “sandlot rules” that everyone cites, but that doesn’t actually exist. Like “one base on an overthrow.”

  • LarenR | June 17, 2008 at 3:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”275960″][quote comment=”275957″][quote comment=”275949″][quote comment=”275859″]Those of us bigger fellows (6’3″, 200 lbs. here) rarely see old jerseys that would fit us comfortably.[/quote]
    Well you could put those jerseys to thier intended use and drop some LBs.[/quote]
    Because 200 at 6’3″ is obese….?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Paul’s just a tad shorter than 6’3″. So even if Robert dropped those supposed extra pounds, I don’t think he and Paul would still be competing for the same clothes.

    As if 200 at 6’3″ is somehow overweight. Riiiiight.[/quote]

    The U.S. Army maximum weight standard for a 21-27 year old male that is 6’3″ tall is 212.[/quote]

    6’3″ 200 is a BMI of 25, which is the border between “normal” and “overweight,” but far from “obese.” We must all be a bunch of big folks to be coming to Robert’s defense like this :-)

  • LI Phil | June 17, 2008 at 3:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”275957″][quote comment=”275949″][quote comment=”275859″]Those of us bigger fellows (6’3″, 200 lbs. here) rarely see old jerseys that would fit us comfortably.[/quote]
    Well you could put those jerseys to thier intended use and drop some LBs.[/quote]
    Because 200 at 6’3″ is obese….?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Paul’s just a tad shorter than 6’3″. So even if Robert dropped those supposed extra pounds, I don’t think he and Paul would still be competing for the same clothes.

    As if 200 at 6’3″ is somehow overweight. Riiiiight.[/quote]

    it’s all how you wear it

    phil’s 6’2″, 190 (cough) and tiger is 6’1″, 185

    id say tiger is in slightly better shape even though they’re roughly the same ‘measurements’

  • j10 | June 17, 2008 at 3:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”275962″][quote comment=”275915″]I’m just going by what I’ve learned from broadcasts over the years.

    “j10” (above) is an ump, maybe he can give us an answer.[/quote]

    I think it’s one of those “sandlot rules” that everyone cites, but that doesn’t actually exist. Like “one base on an overthrow.”[/quote]

    Sorry for taking awhile to answer this. I wanted to make sure that I had the answer right. A batter is allowed to change sides of a batter’s box after each pitch, no matter the count. The batter must not switch sides while pitcher is ready to pitch (7-3-3)
    A pitcher, on the other hand, must declare (by throwing the first pitch) which hand they are using. (Rule 6-1-1)

  • Ricko | June 17, 2008 at 4:14 pm |

    (Well, whoever those announcers were who discussed that subject when a switch-hitter was facing an opposite-handed relef pitcher who’d entered the game midcount should be ashamed of themselves).

    The classic playground rule, of course, is “Tie goes to the runner.” Technically, I believe, there’s no such phrase, because there’s no such thing as a tie in baseball…in the following sense…a tie is neither “arriving first.”

    So…which way is this most basic of baseball rules written? Makes a HUGE difference.

    If it says runner must BEAT THE BALL, then runner would be out if best he could do was a tie.

    Or does it say ball must BEAT THE RUNNER? If best ball can do is a tie, then runner WOULD be safe.

    Has to be one way or the other.

    All depends on how it’s worded.

    So is old playground rule correct or not?

    Take it, umpires.

  • Mike Engle | June 17, 2008 at 4:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”275966″](Well, whoever those announcers were who discussed that subject when a switch-hitter was facing an opposite-handed relef pitcher who’d entered the game midcount should be ashamed of themselves).

    The classic playground rule, of course, is “Tie goes to the runner.” Technically, I believe, there’s no such phrase, because there’s no such thing as a tie in baseball…in the following sense…a tie is neither “arriving first.”

    So…which way is this most basic of baseball rules written? Makes a HUGE difference.

    If it says runner must BEAT THE BALL, then runner would be out if best he could do was a tie.

    Or does it say ball must BEAT THE RUNNER? If best ball can do is a tie, then runner WOULD be safe.

    Has to be one way or the other.

    All depends on how it’s worded.

    So is old playground rule correct or not?

    Take it, umpires.[/quote]
    “Did IT beat HIM or not?” That’s how I remember it.

  • War Damn Eagle | June 17, 2008 at 4:17 pm |

    Article on ajc.com about Paul Johnson returning Georgia Tech’s jerseys to a more traditional look (white jerseys at home, primarily). Also has a poll on what your favorite GT look is, with photos).

    http://www.ajc.com/g...

    I personally prefer the look from their 1990 national championship team: navy uni/white pants at home and white uni/goldpants on the road (with black shoes and gold helmet)

  • Johnny O | June 17, 2008 at 4:22 pm |

    Forgive me if this has been mentioned, but in watching the amazing U.S. Open I noticed that Tiger had something written above the “N” in “Nike One” on his hat. I have not noticed this before, and in being a golf pro, I watch a lot of golf, and being a Uni-watcher, I notice a lot of things of that nature.

    The trouble is that I can’t make out what the words say. Anyone want to help me out? I do have one good photo from Sunday, but I did notice the writing throughout the week if anyone wants to look at earlier photo galleries. Thanks for the help in advance.

    Notice the writing above the “N” on Tiger’s hat:
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

  • Mark K | June 17, 2008 at 4:25 pm |

    That Bills Toronto logo is rather amateurish.

  • Chris is Nashville | June 17, 2008 at 4:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”275967″][quote comment=”275966″](Well, whoever those announcers were who discussed that subject when a switch-hitter was facing an opposite-handed relef pitcher who’d entered the game midcount should be ashamed of themselves).

    The classic playground rule, of course, is “Tie goes to the runner.” Technically, I believe, there’s no such phrase, because there’s no such thing as a tie in baseball…in the following sense…a tie is neither “arriving first.”

    So…which way is this most basic of baseball rules written? Makes a HUGE difference.

    If it says runner must BEAT THE BALL, then runner would be out if best he could do was a tie.

    Or does it say ball must BEAT THE RUNNER? If best ball can do is a tie, then runner WOULD be safe.

    Has to be one way or the other.

    All depends on how it’s worded.

    So is old playground rule correct or not?

    Take it, umpires.[/quote]
    “Did IT beat HIM or not?” That’s how I remember it.[/quote]

    Tie does go to the runner because the throw has to beat the runner in order for it to be an out

  • LI Phil | June 17, 2008 at 4:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”275966″](Well, whoever those announcers were who discussed that subject when a switch-hitter was facing an opposite-handed relef pitcher who’d entered the game midcount should be ashamed of themselves).

    The classic playground rule, of course, is “Tie goes to the runner.” Technically, I believe, there’s no such phrase, because there’s no such thing as a tie in baseball…in the following sense…a tie is neither “arriving first.”

    So…which way is this most basic of baseball rules written? Makes a HUGE difference.

    If it says runner must BEAT THE BALL, then runner would be out if best he could do was a tie.

    Or does it say ball must BEAT THE RUNNER? If best ball can do is a tie, then runner WOULD be safe.

    Has to be one way or the other.

    All depends on how it’s worded.

    So is old playground rule correct or not?

    Take it, umpires.[/quote]

    here ya go

    it’s all in there

  • LI Phil | June 17, 2008 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”275969″]Forgive me if this has been mentioned, but in watching the amazing U.S. Open I noticed that Tiger had something written above the “N” in “Nike One” on his hat. I have not noticed this before, and in being a golf pro, I watch a lot of golf, and being a Uni-watcher, I notice a lot of things of that nature.

    The trouble is that I can’t make out what the words say. Anyone want to help me out? I do have one good photo from Sunday, but I did notice the writing throughout the week if anyone wants to look at earlier photo galleries. Thanks for the help in advance.

    Notice the writing above the “N” on Tiger’s hat:
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    heya johnny…that woods feller is pretty good, eh?

    as far as tiger’s lid, i believe it says…wait for it…

    “NIKE”

    but…i’ll be checking out dicks and maybe golf galaxy/golfsmith in the next few days, and i’ll see if they have any of them there caps…i’ll check it out to confirm/deny whether it says nike or not

  • Ricko | June 17, 2008 at 4:41 pm |

    Yup, but oh, my, have their been arguments about that.

    Georgia Tech football? I vote for #3, Traditional: gold helmets and pants with white jerseys at home.

    (The Old Guy leaned back in his chair. “Yep,” he said, a faraway look in his eyes as his mind rolled back the years, “I ‘member a time in the late 50s, early 60s when Georgia Tech an’ LSU was ’bout the only big-time football teams–college OR pro–that wore them white jerseys at home. They pert-near never wore dark jerseys cuz a’ that. Seems like somethin’ that individual an’ pioneerin’ outta be continued.”)

  • War Damn Eagle | June 17, 2008 at 4:44 pm |

    Brian Brohm is not wearing a Riddell Revolution helmet at Packers mini-camp. Brohm wore a Revolution helmet at Louisville

    http://sports.yahoo....

    http://images.google...

  • LI Phil | June 17, 2008 at 4:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”275973″][quote comment=”275969″]Forgive me if this has been mentioned, but in watching the amazing U.S. Open I noticed that Tiger had something written above the “N” in “Nike One” on his hat. I have not noticed this before, and in being a golf pro, I watch a lot of golf, and being a Uni-watcher, I notice a lot of things of that nature.

    The trouble is that I can’t make out what the words say. Anyone want to help me out? I do have one good photo from Sunday, but I did notice the writing throughout the week if anyone wants to look at earlier photo galleries. Thanks for the help in advance.

    Notice the writing above the “N” on Tiger’s hat:
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    heya johnny…that woods feller is pretty good, eh?

    as far as tiger’s lid, i believe it says…wait for it…

    “NIKE”

    but…i’ll be checking out dicks and maybe golf galaxy/golfsmith in the next few days, and i’ll see if they have any of them there caps…i’ll check it out to confirm/deny whether it says nike or not[/quote]

    k…i just checked out a catalogue, and confirmed it…it says “nike”

    i can’t find any better images than this, but trust me that’s what it says

    on another note, what do you think of tiger’s balls? (and similar nike logo)…at a list of $47.97/doz…i imagine they’re 4 piece and better than the standard ‘one plat/one black’ on the market…

  • Stuby | June 17, 2008 at 4:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”275975″]Brian Brohm is not wearing a Riddell Revolution helmet at Packers mini-camp. Brohm wore a Revolution helmet at Louisville

    http://sports.yahoo....

    http://images.google...
    Good. Those Revolutions are dorky.

  • Mike Engle | June 17, 2008 at 4:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”275976″][quote comment=”275973″][quote comment=”275969″]Forgive me if this has been mentioned, but in watching the amazing U.S. Open I noticed that Tiger had something written above the “N” in “Nike One” on his hat. I have not noticed this before, and in being a golf pro, I watch a lot of golf, and being a Uni-watcher, I notice a lot of things of that nature.

    The trouble is that I can’t make out what the words say. Anyone want to help me out? I do have one good photo from Sunday, but I did notice the writing throughout the week if anyone wants to look at earlier photo galleries. Thanks for the help in advance.

    Notice the writing above the “N” on Tiger’s hat:
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    heya johnny…that woods feller is pretty good, eh?

    as far as tiger’s lid, i believe it says…wait for it…

    “NIKE”

    but…i’ll be checking out dicks and maybe golf galaxy/golfsmith in the next few days, and i’ll see if they have any of them there caps…i’ll check it out to confirm/deny whether it says nike or not[/quote]

    k…i just checked out a catalogue, and confirmed it…it says “nike”

    i can’t find any better images than this, but trust me that’s what it says

    on another note, what do you think of tiger’s balls? (and similar nike logo)…at a list of $47.97/doz…i imagine they’re 4 piece and better than the standard ‘one plat/one black’ on the market…[/quote]
    I don’t know Phil. You know something Elin doesn’t?

  • Robert | June 17, 2008 at 4:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”275963″][quote comment=”275960″][quote comment=”275957″][quote comment=”275949″][quote comment=”275859″]Those of us bigger fellows (6’3″, 200 lbs. here) rarely see old jerseys that would fit us comfortably.[/quote]
    Well you could put those jerseys to thier intended use and drop some LBs.[/quote]
    Because 200 at 6’3″ is obese….?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Paul’s just a tad shorter than 6’3″. So even if Robert dropped those supposed extra pounds, I don’t think he and Paul would still be competing for the same clothes.

    As if 200 at 6’3″ is somehow overweight. Riiiiight.[/quote]

    The U.S. Army maximum weight standard for a 21-27 year old male that is 6’3″ tall is 212.[/quote]

    6’3″ 200 is a BMI of 25, which is the border between “normal” and “overweight,” but far from “obese.” We must all be a bunch of big folks to be coming to Robert’s defense like this :-)[/quote]

    And I do appreciate it.

  • Steve | June 17, 2008 at 5:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”275957″][quote comment=”275949″][quote comment=”275859″]Those of us bigger fellows (6’3″, 200 lbs. here) rarely see old jerseys that would fit us comfortably.[/quote]
    Well you could put those jerseys to thier intended use and drop some LBs.[/quote]
    Because 200 at 6’3″ is obese….?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Paul’s just a tad shorter than 6’3″. So even if Robert dropped those supposed extra pounds, I don’t think he and Paul would still be competing for the same clothes.

    As if 200 at 6’3″ is somehow overweight. Riiiiight.[/quote]

    I didn’t say it was over weight, I meerly implied that if one wanted to “fit into thos old jerseys” you might want to drop some LBs. Ernie Banks was 6’1″ and 180 and Fergie Jenkins at 6’5″ was barely 210. Somehow those guys managed to fit into them. Maybe its not so much your height to weight ratio, but rather where the weight is carried. Maybe these “slightly” built cats are carrying all the weight in the shoulders…I don’t know…sheesh.

  • BA | June 17, 2008 at 5:20 pm |

    It’s interesting that this trademark thing came up today because I was having a conversation about it yesterday with my brother. We were watching something on TV and one of those stupid Coke vs Coke Zero commercials came on. At the beginning of it we noticed that coke has a (R) behind it, and Coke Zero has a (TM) behind it…

  • Steve | June 17, 2008 at 5:32 pm |

    BTW, It could be hard for me to understand since I = 5’11” 158LBs. Looks like I better start buying kids jerseys off of ebay!

  • Bryan Redemske | June 17, 2008 at 5:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”275964″][quote comment=”275957″][quote comment=”275949″][quote comment=”275859″]Those of us bigger fellows (6’3″, 200 lbs. here) rarely see old jerseys that would fit us comfortably.[/quote]
    Well you could put those jerseys to thier intended use and drop some LBs.[/quote]
    Because 200 at 6’3″ is obese….?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Paul’s just a tad shorter than 6’3″. So even if Robert dropped those supposed extra pounds, I don’t think he and Paul would still be competing for the same clothes.

    As if 200 at 6’3″ is somehow overweight. Riiiiight.[/quote]

    it’s all how you wear it

    phil’s 6’2″, 190 (cough) and tiger is 6’1″, 185

    id say tiger is in slightly better shape even though they’re roughly the same ‘measurements'[/quote]

    Bryan is 6-2, 162 … and always hungry.

  • Bryan Redemske | June 17, 2008 at 5:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”275919″]Bryan, awesome article in the OWH today. I didn’t read who wrote it at first and I was thinking, man, somebody sure does hate Nike. Then I looked up and saw who wrote it and I jumped with joy.[/quote]

    Hate Nike? Me? Nah. The swoosh is just responsible for the three or four ugliest jerseys in Omaha, that’s all.

  • mtjaws | June 17, 2008 at 6:19 pm |

    A few comments:

    Anyone else notice there is no circle-R in the Cubs logo at the start of this blog?

    Secondly, I got a 40 on that Wonderlic test, but did go over the allotted 5 minutes. It was tough, but a fun challenge.

    Thirdly, I like the traditional Georgia Tech uniforms (white with gold pants), but I don’t mind the Gold jerseys at all. Their colors are officially “old gold and white”, but the blue jerseys worked much better for basketball uniforms than football.
    http://www.retrothro...

  • jon | June 17, 2008 at 6:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”275963″][quote comment=”275960″][quote comment=”275957″][quote comment=”275949″][quote comment=”275859″]Those of us bigger fellows (6’3″, 200 lbs. here) rarely see old jerseys that would fit us comfortably.[/quote]
    Well you could put those jerseys to thier intended use and drop some LBs.[/quote]
    Because 200 at 6’3″ is obese….?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Paul’s just a tad shorter than 6’3″. So even if Robert dropped those supposed extra pounds, I don’t think he and Paul would still be competing for the same clothes.

    As if 200 at 6’3″ is somehow overweight. Riiiiight.[/quote]
    Hey Dan, 5’11”, 195, “ding”…

    The U.S. Army maximum weight standard for a 21-27 year old male that is 6’3″ tall is 212.[/quote]

    6’3” 200 is a BMI of 25, which is the border between “normal” and “overweight,” but far from “obese.” We must all be a bunch of big folks to be coming to Robert’s defense like this :-)[/quote]

  • deathmonkey | June 17, 2008 at 6:59 pm |

    I say we call Pedro’s button the “Thunderdome” button, because two (buttons) go in, one (button) comes out (of the button hole).

  • Johnny O | June 17, 2008 at 7:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”275978″][quote comment=”275976″][quote comment=”275973″][quote comment=”275969″]Forgive me if this has been mentioned, but in watching the amazing U.S. Open I noticed that Tiger had something written above the “N” in “Nike One” on his hat. I have not noticed this before, and in being a golf pro, I watch a lot of golf, and being a Uni-watcher, I notice a lot of things of that nature.

    The trouble is that I can’t make out what the words say. Anyone want to help me out? I do have one good photo from Sunday, but I did notice the writing throughout the week if anyone wants to look at earlier photo galleries. Thanks for the help in advance.

    Notice the writing above the “N” on Tiger’s hat:
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    heya johnny…that woods feller is pretty good, eh?

    as far as tiger’s lid, i believe it says…wait for it…

    “NIKE”

    but…i’ll be checking out dicks and maybe golf galaxy/golfsmith in the next few days, and i’ll see if they have any of them there caps…i’ll check it out to confirm/deny whether it says nike or not[/quote]

    k…i just checked out a catalogue, and confirmed it…it says “nike”

    i can’t find any better images than this, but trust me that’s what it says

    on another note, what do you think of tiger’s balls? (and similar nike logo)…at a list of $47.97/doz…i imagine they’re 4 piece and better than the standard ‘one plat/one black’ on the market…[/quote]
    I don’t know Phil. You know something Elin doesn’t?[/quote]

    Damn… I was hoping it said “Sam” (his daughter) or something like that… oh well. It makes me kind of mad I didn’t notice that small logo before.

    As far as nike products in general, they are very good, but not great. When Tiger came on to the scene, nike was quick to start making clubs and they did a great job right off the bat with their Pro Combo irons. As far as the ball, they are pretty good (better than most), but at that price, you are much better going with Titleist Pro V1 balls, and I’m not just saying that because I am on Titleist Staff. And to show you I am not biased, the new Callaway ball (Tour ix) is an awesome ball. And if your looking for a great ball and have a tight wallet, go with the Srixon Z-URS.

    I’d be more than happy to talk more golf, or golf products, with anyone interested.

  • Perry | June 17, 2008 at 7:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”275972″][quote comment=”275966″](Well, whoever those announcers were who discussed that subject when a switch-hitter was facing an opposite-handed relef pitcher who’d entered the game midcount should be ashamed of themselves).

    The classic playground rule, of course, is “Tie goes to the runner.” Technically, I believe, there’s no such phrase, because there’s no such thing as a tie in baseball…in the following sense…a tie is neither “arriving first.”

    So…which way is this most basic of baseball rules written? Makes a HUGE difference.

    If it says runner must BEAT THE BALL, then runner would be out if best he could do was a tie.

    Or does it say ball must BEAT THE RUNNER? If best ball can do is a tie, then runner WOULD be safe.

    Has to be one way or the other.

    All depends on how it’s worded.

    So is old playground rule correct or not?

    Take it, umpires.[/quote]

    here ya go

    it’s all in there[/quote]

    It’s actually contradictory. Rule 6.05 (j) says the batter is out if he or 1b is tagged BEFORE he touches first. IOW, tie does go to the batter-runner.

    But 7.08 (e), pertaining to runners, says a forced runner is out if he fails to reach a base BEFORE a fielder tags him or the base. IOW, a tie goes to the defense.

  • Johnny O | June 17, 2008 at 7:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”275976″][quote comment=”275973″][quote comment=”275969″]Forgive me if this has been mentioned, but in watching the amazing U.S. Open I noticed that Tiger had something written above the “N” in “Nike One” on his hat. I have not noticed this before, and in being a golf pro, I watch a lot of golf, and being a Uni-watcher, I notice a lot of things of that nature.

    The trouble is that I can’t make out what the words say. Anyone want to help me out? I do have one good photo from Sunday, but I did notice the writing throughout the week if anyone wants to look at earlier photo galleries. Thanks for the help in advance.

    Notice the writing above the “N” on Tiger’s hat:
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    heya johnny…that woods feller is pretty good, eh?

    as far as tiger’s lid, i believe it says…wait for it…

    “NIKE”

    but…i’ll be checking out dicks and maybe golf galaxy/golfsmith in the next few days, and i’ll see if they have any of them there caps…i’ll check it out to confirm/deny whether it says nike or not[/quote]

    k…i just checked out a catalogue, and confirmed it…it says “nike”

    i can’t find any better images than this, but trust me that’s what it says

    on another note, what do you think of tiger’s balls? (and similar nike logo)…at a list of $47.97/doz…i imagine they’re 4 piece and better than the standard ‘one plat/one black’ on the market…[/quote]

    And to kind of answer your question LI Phil, if anyone thinks that Tiger uses the same ball nike puts out on store shelves is sorely mistaken. People were upset back in the day when they found out Tiger played a different ball, so they came out with a version called Tour Accuracy “TW” and the storm kind of calmed down after that. But I guarantee you, all of Tiger’s balls are custom made just for him according to his ridiculous high swing speed and spin rate he generates.

  • James Craven | June 17, 2008 at 7:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”275954″]“Here’s an idea. We’ll all wear Tampa Bay hosiery, speak with phony fake French accents while playing, and call our team ‘Socks Rays Blue’.

    “Okay, Craven, where’s my DAMMIT?”[/quote]

    DAMN IT, RICKO!

    I’m in the middle of eating fried chicken while reading and you made me spit out some on the computer screen because I was laughing so damned hard on that horrible pun!

    by the way, italy’s pumashit advanced to the knockout phase of euro2008 and will face the superior styling of spain in the knockout phase.

  • LI Phil | June 17, 2008 at 7:47 pm |

    [quote]I’d be more than happy to talk more golf, or golf products, with anyone interested.[/quote]

    i would love to johnny, but we should take that convo off the boards

    imo need to pick your brain because one of these days imo be playing matt ’18 pro v’s in my bag cuz i lose one a hole’ powers

    gimme a shout… my email is in my sig (this post)

  • LI Phil | June 17, 2008 at 7:49 pm |

    [quote]And to kind of answer your question LI Phil, if anyone thinks that Tiger uses the same ball nike puts out on store shelves is sorely mistaken. People were upset back in the day when they found out Tiger played a different ball, so they came out with a version called Tour Accuracy “TW” and the storm kind of calmed down after that. But I guarantee you, all of Tiger’s balls are custom made just for him according to his ridiculous high swing speed and spin rate he generates.[/quote]

    i usually play a ball with 2 red stripes on it made by some company named “range”

  • Jeff P | June 17, 2008 at 8:03 pm |

    anyone else notice that the numbers on the steelers practice field in this vid are all “00”?
    http://www.post-gaze...

    start around :54 …

  • Reed | June 17, 2008 at 7:08 pm |

    Here is a picture of Mendenhall trying on a helmet, minus the facemask.

    additionally, the steelers are practicing in their 75th anniversary throwback helmets..

    http://www.post-gaze...

  • nick | June 17, 2008 at 8:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”275957″][quote comment=”275949″][quote comment=”275859″]Those of us bigger fellows (6’3″, 200 lbs. here) rarely see old jerseys that would fit us comfortably.[/quote]
    Well you could put those jerseys to thier intended use and drop some LBs.[/quote]
    Because 200 at 6’3″ is obese….?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Paul’s just a tad shorter than 6’3″. So even if Robert dropped those supposed extra pounds, I don’t think he and Paul would still be competing for the same clothes.

    As if 200 at 6’3″ is somehow overweight. Riiiiight.[/quote]

    TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD !!!

    It has less to do with overweight as it does that into the 1950’s starting Offensive Tackles were weighing 200 pounds on many teams.

    People, especially athletes, were much smaller not too long ago. When you collect older uniforms, and I do, you notice that a size 46 or larger pre-1960 dureen football jersey is an EXTREME RARITY !!!

  • nick | June 17, 2008 at 8:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”275968″]Article on ajc.com about Paul Johnson returning Georgia Tech’s jerseys to a more traditional look (white jerseys at home, primarily). Also has a poll on what your favorite GT look is, with photos).

    http://www.ajc.com/g...

    I personally prefer the look from their 1990 national championship team: navy uni/white pants at home and white uni/goldpants on the road (with black shoes and gold helmet)[/quote]

    OLD GOLD RULES !!!

    I am not a fan of the white GT helmet, but the Old Gold jerseys are really the best. If only someone would sustain the Ditch the Vegas Gold” campaign, I’d contibute.

  • nick | June 17, 2008 at 8:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”275877″][quote comment=”275872″]I think Paul’s latest vintage jersey looks more like an old basketball warmup. Picture Bob Cousy wearing that when he was a kid.[/quote]

    Someone else suggested to me in an e-mail. But the uni number (7) seems to suggest otherwise.[/quote]

    ROLLER DERBY ?

    The size (not for shoulder pads), The number (#7 is OK in Roller Derby) and the striping (Classic 1940’s through 1950’s) give a little bit of evidence of Roller Derby possibilities.

    However, the lack of frontal logo or number tells me it is something else. Maybe cycling.

    Just remember, into the 1970’s there were junior high and high school teams that only had numbers on the BACKS of their jerseys.

  • Stuby | June 17, 2008 at 8:23 pm |

    Looks like Fresno State has red merit stickers on their navy batting helmets.

  • LI Phil | June 17, 2008 at 8:47 pm |

    as some of you prolly know, willie was invited to be a coach at the ASG in yankee stadium

    if he were to still go…what uni would he wear?

  • Matt | June 17, 2008 at 8:48 pm |

    Nice to see a little mention of the Hartford Whalers. Their logo issues make them the one team the NHL can’t reproduce replica sweaters for which makes it really hard for fans of the team to track them down. Bless ebay.

  • BA | June 17, 2008 at 8:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”275995″]anyone else notice that the numbers on the steelers practice field in this vid are all “00”?
    http://www.post-gaze...

    start around :54 …[/quote]

    That’s because on a football practice field the numbers are just used for landmarks for things like alignment.

  • MPowers1634 | June 17, 2008 at 8:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”275977″][quote comment=”275975″]Brian Brohm is not wearing a Riddell Revolution helmet at Packers mini-camp. Brohm wore a Revolution helmet at Louisville

    http://sports.yahoo....

    http://images.google...
    Good. Those Revolutions are dorky.[/quote]

    Items of Note:
    1.
    Brohm: Schutt Air XP, Nike Huarache 2k4 D
    Flynn: Schutt Air Advantage, Nike Super Bad 2

    2. Socks Ray Blue: That there is some funny shit!

    3. Love the retro look by GTech…remind me of Coleman Rudolph and William Bell

    4.Phil better talk to Johnny O., Hank Heaney, Harvey Penick, and that Leadbetter dude before judgement day comes around!

  • MPowers1634 | June 17, 2008 at 8:56 pm |

    and #5. I think that whoever made the “lets lighten up so we can fit into vintage jerseys” comment was being realistic and positive!

    No need to jump ugly and become defensive!
    According to the BMI, at 5’10” 205, I am obese.
    I’m no Tiger, but I am fit as a fiddle!

    However, I, much like many of us, could always cut back on my intake and slim down. It Wouldn’t hurt!

  • LarenR | June 17, 2008 at 9:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”275999″]Looks like Fresno State has red merit stickers on their navy batting helmets.[/quote]

    What kind of helmets are those, anyway? UGA (among others?) is wearing them, too. They look like the Riddell Revolution (triangular ear hole, top vents, etc.), or maybe a Schutt?

    UNC is sporting a Nike…swoosh and all.

  • MPowers1634 | June 17, 2008 at 9:27 pm |

    Found some ol’ logo creep on a former pitcher(?):
    http://www.optimum.n...

    BTW, Schutt, maker of the DNA as well as Riddell, maker of the hideous Revolution, both manufacture and outfit teams with their baseball versions as well!

  • Ricko | June 17, 2008 at 9:29 pm |

    I think we’ve figured it out, Paul.

    It’s a jersey from the Joliet Penitentiary Roller Derby team.

    And the wearer had been there a LONNNNNNNNG time cuz, y’know, you don’t often see only a “7” under a guy’s chin on his front and profile photos.

  • Ricko | June 17, 2008 at 9:33 pm |

    re: size of old jerseys. You ain’t kidding about sizing differences. I’m 6’2″, 195 or so and for something that old to fit it me it has to be–by their sizing–about a XXXL.

  • Ricko | June 17, 2008 at 9:38 pm |

    Information about all girl roller derby teams in the U.S. State of Illinois:

    Chi Town Sirens
    Joliet, Illinois

    Naaa….they probably haven’t been around that long.

  • lwiedy | June 17, 2008 at 10:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”275917″]I vividly remember wathcing that Kevin Mitchell NNOB episode at Wrigley on TV. Weird seeing him in #9 but he was able to swap with Bob Melvin for #7 after the season. The year after that, Melvin left and Matt Williams switched from #10 to his more familiar #9. I think we’re all caught up now.[/quote]

    Not to suggest it is a SF thing but that reminded me of an instance five years earlier. Tom O’Malley made his Giants debut at Shea and tore up the Mets prompting Ralph Kiner to remark that maybe the guy without his name on his jersey was actually Mickey Mantle.

    Now why can’t I remember where I put the car keys?

  • lwiedy | June 17, 2008 at 10:11 pm |

    I have read that the folks in Berlin, WI are waisted deep (or higher) in water. Best of luck to the folks at Ripon Athletic, provider of great gear for a long time.

  • TD | June 17, 2008 at 10:25 pm |

    Not really uni related, but Paul Pierce is sporting the Artis Gilmore sideburns tonight.

  • Pete (UK) | June 17, 2008 at 10:25 pm |

    Some classic comments, but I will defend the Revo Helmet as it’s a boon for the likes of me with protruding ears, maybe why they’re so popular in countries where many Football players started off in Rugby and have the cauliflours to proove it…

    Anyway, interestingly there has been some controversy the past few days over switch hitting in cricket – because the bowler takes a run up before delivering the ball it is just possible to switch hands as he comes in and England batsman Kevin Pietersen did so twice in a One Day match on Sunday – this lead to major discussions of whether this is fair, but the MCC rules comittee today said that since it’s so hard to do they’re not going to ban it, although they may amend some rules to allow for the fact it alters which side of the stumps is the “Leg” Side. Some time soon I’ll bother to type up some comments on the way the recent involvment of certain multinationals has dramatically altered Cricket clothing in certain national teams…

  • GoTerriers | June 17, 2008 at 10:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”276013″]Anyway, interestingly there has been some controversy the past few days over switch hitting in cricket – because the bowler takes a run up before delivering the ball it is just possible to switch hands as he comes in and England batsman Kevin Pietersen did so twice in a One Day match on Sunday – this lead to major discussions of whether this is fair, but the MCC rules comittee today said that since it’s so hard to do they’re not going to ban it, although they may amend some rules to allow for the fact it alters which side of the stumps is the “Leg” Side. Some time soon I’ll bother to type up some comments on the way the recent involvment of certain multinationals has dramatically altered Cricket clothing in certain national teams…[/quote]

    An interesting dissertation, no doubt, Pete, but you’re gonna have to explain the entire game of cricket to some of us Yanks first. I’ve tried and tried and I STILL DON”T GET IT!!!!

  • Sammy | June 17, 2008 at 11:08 pm |

    Two things:

    Fernando Rodney (Tigers pitcher, just came back off the DL) was wearing a gray underbrim in the dugout tonight. Not easy to tell from this picture, but from the flatter MLB logo, it appears as if he was wearing the old 5950 last night as well.

    I was in Ann Arbor today, and the school bookstores are all selling Nike Michigan merchandise for 40% off, or more. I’m torn. Should I get something new while it’s relatively cheap, or should I boycott Nike completely? I feel like I should be in solidarity with Adidas, now. I can’t find a shirt that doesn’t have a big swoosh or ugly Nike design anyway.

  • LI Phil | June 17, 2008 at 11:18 pm |

    [quote]should I boycott Nike completely? I feel like I should be in solidarity with Adidas, now[/quote]

    phil knight feels your pain

  • Ricko | June 17, 2008 at 11:50 pm |

    Two minutes left, but I think the Celtics are gonna cover.

    So, may I be the first note this uni-related fact:

    First Celtic championship ever won wearing white shoes.

  • Tony Miller | June 18, 2008 at 12:01 am |

    Green-clad Celtics take title over Lakers in purple. Any symbolism here?

  • LI Phil | June 18, 2008 at 12:06 am |
  • Abe | June 18, 2008 at 12:06 am |

    Somewhere in Africa, a bunch of kids are about to get some new Lakers gear.

  • C-Dublin | June 18, 2008 at 12:53 am |

    Hey has anyone else noticed that Rajon Rondo’s headband is always upside down? Does anyone know why this is? Or is it some amazing coincidence?

  • James Craven | June 18, 2008 at 1:00 am |

    [quote comment=”276018″]“Green-clad Celtics take title over Lakers in purple. Any symbolism here?”[/quote]

    In that great press box in the sky, Arnold Auerbach has lit it up, Johnny Most is screaming “IT’S ALL OVER! IT’S ALL OVER!! IT’S ALL OVER!!!” and Chick hern is lamenting the fact that the Lakers played with no defense.

  • Sam | June 18, 2008 at 1:33 am |

    Looks like Madden messed up on the Niners classic unis.
    CLICK

    Facemask it not supposed to be red.

    If this was already talked about… scrap it

  • Sam | June 18, 2008 at 1:34 am |

    ^ oh yeah… logo looks all wrong too… looks like the current one

  • Ricko | June 18, 2008 at 7:29 am |

    And the only guys who wore black shoes during either the Montana or Young era were Bill Romanownski (p-tooey), Bobby Leopold and one defensive back whose name just isn’t coming to me this early in the a.m. Wan’t Lott, I don’t think.

  • Ricko | June 18, 2008 at 8:17 am |

    DB might have been Carlton Williamson or Eric Wright. Oh, yeah, remembered that Keena Turner wore black shoes, too.

  • LarenR | June 18, 2008 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment=”276031″]DB might have been Carlton Williamson or Eric Wright. Oh, yeah, remembered that Keena Turner wore black shoes, too.[/quote]

    Actually, all four DBs wore black shoes for much of the 80’s. Led by Ronnie Lott, the crew included, at various times, Carlton Williamson, Dwight Hicks, Eric Wright, Don Griffin, Jeff Fuller, Tim McKyer, and others who I can’t think of right now.