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Consistently Inconsistent

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A small trend has been brewing on the typography front. It began a few weeks ago, when I ran a Ticker item (contributed by William Yurasko) about Florida International’s use of the numeral 2 — it looks like this when appearing on the front or back of their jerseys, but like this when appearing on the sleeves.

I figured that was pretty much an isolated thing. But the comments that day included a post from Eriq Jaffe, who pointed out that the Packers have had differing chest and sleeve treatments for the numeral 5 (additional views here, here, here, and here) — a distinction that apparently dates back several decades.

Now Drew VanNess has pointed out another numerological anomaly. The team this time is Georgia Tech, and the numeral is 2. But instead of a chest/sleeve distinction, this time it’s home vs. road. Check it out: On the Yellow Jackets’ gold jerseys, the 2 looks like this and this; but on their white jerseys, it looks like this and this. This wasn’t the case last year, when the 2 was the same on the home and road jerseys (on the sleeves, too), and the school hasn’t changed uniform outfitters (it’s still Russell), so why the new 2? Odd.

I’m interested in compiling more of these typographic inconsistencies. So if you know of any additional cases, let’s have ’em.

And as long as we’re talking type, Chris Marcinko has noticed that the lettering used for Ben Roethlisberger’s nameplate is more compressed than the font worn by his teammates. Compare the letter R here to the one here and the difference becomes pretty apparent. There have been plenty of other examples over the years of compressed typography being used to accommodate longer surnames, but I hadn’t noticed this one before.

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Uni Watch News Ticker: Caught a web-video feed of last night’s Islanders/Thrashers game and was surprised to see the refs wearing orange armbands. Weren’t they supposed to switch to silver this year, as they did in the last All-Star Game? I reported on this myself back in January. Not sure if the orange is just a preseason thing of if the league has changed its mind about this, but I’ll make some calls today. … Check out these two Florida high school teams — one with FSU’s helmet logo and one with Miami’s old hurricane flag logo. “Several players from the Southeast Seminoles have gone on to play for Florida State, so obviously FSU doesn’t mind them ripping off the logo,” writes Aaron Bassett. … Quit the mishmash of colors going on in this photo gallery (with thanks to Joe DeLong). … I have seen the new Devil Rays uniforms. Can’t show them to you, but I can confirm what’s been reported (the team is now just the Rays) and what’s been rumored (the new colors are navy, yellow, and light blue). As for the design, it’s a total snooze — not wonderful, not awful, just booooooring. I already miss the current design, which I think has been badly underrated (esp. the home set). … Yesterday’s college all-star shot of Paul Hornung prompted Jared Wheeler to scan and send an article about the College-Pro Gridiron Classic, the game in which that uniform was worn. You can access the pages from the article here (click on the thumbnails to access each two-page spread, and then click on “All Sizes” to get a larger, more legible version of each page). … Nice element-by-element comparison here between Colorado State’s recent throwbacks and the originals on which they were based (with thanks to Rob Montoya, who also notes that LSU wideout Brandon LaFell is wearing Nike Total 90 Laser soccer cleats). … I have two video links to share with you. Neither one is truly uni-related, but both are at least somewhat equipment-oriented, and both are completely amazing. Plus they’re only 29 and 49 seconds long, respectively. Click here and here — you’ll thank me later, I promise (with thanks to David Brown and Jeremy Brahm). … Middle Tennessee State QB Joe Craddock had a bit of a nameplate malfunction on Saturday (with thanks to Andrew Jones). … The Sharks’ new jerseys, officially revealed yesterday, look really, really good. But they’ve done that thing again where the jersey has been posed and photographed in a way that hides the rounded shirttail hem. When worn, I think the straight striping and non-straight hemline will be a bad match, as they’ve been for other teams. … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: Riddell has a $1000 football helmet in the works. … Mexico’s national soccer team is changing its colors, because players have been having a hard time picking out the green jerseys on the green field. Details here (with thanks to Robin Fishbein). … The All Blacks always wear black, right? Wrong (as forwarded by Chris Flinn). … When the Red Wings unveiled their new jerseys, they said they were moving their “C” and “A” designations to the other side of the jersey because they couldn’t place it across a seam on the usual side. But if that’s the case, how come the Flyers can do this? … “I was at the Seahawks/Bucs game two weeks ago and I noticed that Shaun Alexander came out during pregame warmups in bright green elbow pads,” writes Dave Sizer. “The color was pretty bad, but they even had the NFL logo on them. Thankfully, when he came out for the game, he was back to the regular blue ones.” … Morten Anderson is back with the Falcons — and he’ll presumably bring his old Dungard facemask with him.

 

217 comments to Consistently Inconsistent

  • odessasteps | September 18, 2007 at 9:05 am |

    When I was at the Flyers/Caps rookie scrimmage last week, they had AHL refs doing the game. Perhaps that might explain the airband situation.

  • Original Jim | September 18, 2007 at 9:08 am |

    Paul…all the talk about uniform typography and no interview with me?

    :D

    For the record, many of Eriq Jaffe’s fonts are based of letterforms drawn by me, and he did a great job converting them to usable files for the masses.

    Later today I will check my files to see what I have that falls under “inconsistent”. I do know that New Mexico had entirely different fonts for home and road jerseys a few years ago while they were still with adidas…home had 3-D block numbers while the roads were regular block.

    And all the talk about inconsistency but no mention of the Cowboys? I’d think the double-outline blue-jersey numbers versus the plain block white-jersey numbers would be the first ones on the list.

  • Brian W | September 18, 2007 at 9:10 am |

    Here is a link to some color photos & a neat history of the Chicago College All-Star Game:

    http://www.mmbolding...

  • Boston Nick | September 18, 2007 at 9:11 am |

    On the football players wearing soccer cleats front, Mario Manningham and Adrian Arrington of Michigan have both been wearing Mercurial Vapor soccer cleats. It does make some sense, because those are Nike’s lightest soccer cleat, and receivers are always seeking whatever speed edge they can get.

    There are pictures at mgoblue.com, since I am useless at figuring out the linking thing.

  • JPRays | September 18, 2007 at 9:12 am |

    So I’m guessing the Rays didn’t go with the powder blue road unis. Man I was really hoping for that. Please tell me they ditched the vests…

  • Dave | September 18, 2007 at 9:13 am |

    I agree… I think the new Sharks sweaters are sweet, incorporating their new logo with their original look (striping below the crest and sleeve numbers. And I love the contrasting shoulders!

  • Kyle Joecken | September 18, 2007 at 9:13 am |

    I hope the NHL referees are going to continue to wear the orange stripe instead of the silver one. The orange one is far more noticeable (at least to my eye).

  • Teebz | September 18, 2007 at 9:14 am |

    Paul, the Oilers are also guilty of the captaincy over a seam. You can see it here on the home jersey, and here on the road jersey.

    I’ve emailed Rbk Hockey for an explanation. If I get anything (which I doubt), I may have to refer it back to you since you’re the one with ESPN credentials. :o)

  • Adam Miller | September 18, 2007 at 9:15 am |

    Regarding the Dayton throwback jerseys in the sports ticker. I actually know a little about this, being a UD alum and having run cross country there. The story goes that the official school colors were red and and light blue, called Marianist blue (the Marianist are the religious order who founded the school). Supposedly, the school switched to navy blue during the eighties because the basketball court looked funny on TV when decorated light blue.
    All of this came to my attention in 2003 when I was running cross country at UD. Our coach thought it would be a good idea to honor the school’s tradition by ordering Marianist blue jerseys. They were amazing looking. Unfortunately, the athletic department decided they were not officially school colors, and made us get new ones the following season. In fact, they were so against the light blue jerseys, they gave them to us at the end of the year, something they had never done before. So, it’s kind of ironic that they’re selling the throwback football jerseys for $150 on the website, but they were so against the throwback CC jerseys, they gave them away just to get rid of them.

  • Dane | September 18, 2007 at 9:19 am |

    Given all of the hatred being displayed here for RBk EDGE, maybe we should get the NHL to go to this style of dress:
    http://us.i1.yimg.co...

  • Nolan | September 18, 2007 at 9:20 am |

    [quote comment=”143964″]I agree… I think the new Sharks sweaters are sweet, incorporating their new logo with their original look (striping below the crest and sleeve numbers. And I love the contrasting shoulders![/quote]

    One big problem though. The continued use by many teams of the front number. Pointless clutter. Plus I won’t be happy with any jersey until the rounded hemline is eliminated.

  • Dane | September 18, 2007 at 9:21 am |

    The Florida Panthers had no seam issues with their captain designations:
    http://us.i1.yimg.co...

  • Robert | September 18, 2007 at 9:23 am |

    [quote comment=”143963″]So I’m guessing the Rays didn’t go with the powder blue road unis. Man I was really hoping for that. Please tell me they ditched the vests…[/quote]

    Interesting. The vests were the only thing that I liked about the Rays’ current uniforms, but then again, I think that every team wearing vests looks good in them (Rockies excepted, but that goes without saying, right?).

  • todd krevanchi | September 18, 2007 at 9:26 am |

    i actually think the overlap on the flyers jersey looks sharp, however, not so much with the other teams.

  • NateL | September 18, 2007 at 9:27 am |

    Don’t know if anyone posted this yesterday about Julio Lugo’s pine tar stain.

    I gather it’s from following through on his swing. If I stand up in my office and swing a bat (I actually have one) the label of the bat, where a lot of players “store” pine tar, hits me in the shoulder, right about where Lugo’s pine tar stain is.

  • Teebz | September 18, 2007 at 9:28 am |

    [quote comment=”143974″]The Florida Panthers had no seam issues with their captain designations:
    http://us.i1.yimg.co...

    Proximity to the neckline and logo is a problem. Why not just have the “A” over the Panther? Or replace the Panther altogether with the “A”? The “A” is already half the size of the logo as it is.

  • Pat | September 18, 2007 at 9:33 am |

    I think navy, yellow and light blue are great new colors for the D-Rays. Hopefully having a new color scheme will help them gain eligibility to contend in the American League. It’s been so unfair of Major League Baseball to keep them from being a well run team since their inception.

    The new color scheme sounds like it’s very similar to these. Nothing special with those uniforms, per se, but I love the colors.

  • Kim | September 18, 2007 at 9:35 am |

    I had pre-ordered one of the black Flyers jerseys customized with all the Simon Gagne stuff (#12, A).

    One of the first things I noticed was the ‘A’ over the seam.

    Overall, it’s a very nice jersey, though it kind of feels more like a soccer jersey than a hockey jersey.

  • Monte | September 18, 2007 at 9:37 am |

    They are changing their name to the Tampa Bay Rays as of next season.

    They are also changing their colors.

    Originally they had that ultra-bizarro rainbow lettering.

    Then they switched to the current green/black/grey ensemble. Watching the D-Rays on tv was like watching an old black and white set.

    Their new colors will be navy, yellow, and light blue.

    I think they dropped the ball.

    They should have come up with either a fierce looking sting ray or ditched the Rays thing altogether.

    Start fresh.

    The Devil Rays are synonymous with sucking.

    (Only in the south. They actually had been under pressure to drop the ‘Devil’ part of their name for years)

    They could have been the Tampa Tiger-Sharks (Tampa T-Sharks)

    Tampa Sting or Stingers

    Tampa Bay Sunshine (they could have had a happy face as a primary logo)

    Tampa Bay Nippon Ham Fighters

    Tampa Bay Rattlers or Racers after snakes from the region

    Tampa Cranks (after all the old people in Florida)

    Tampa Explos (after the early explorers of Florida)

    Or some other names.

    Devil Rays or Rays still equals loser to me.

    Maybe they could be the Tampa Yankees after the minor league team that was there.
    Or the Jr. Yankees.

    They could buy into that whole redneck thing and be the Tampa Bay Rebels or TB Confederates.

    Play up the whole Yankee hate thing down there.

    Don’t know how minority players would dig it, but the free publicity would be out of sight.

    How could anyone who roots for the Redskins (OMG how bad is that name by today’s standards), Braves, Indians, Twins, etc honestly protest the Rebels or Confederates?

    Merchandise would fly off the shelves.

    I would even take the job (at a huge salary) of presenting the new name and colors to the public.

    Rebel flags everywhere.
    Mascot who is a big cute Confederate soldier.
    Dixie would be played in the 7th inning.

    Make the players wear Confederate Army caps as a ‘throwback’ day.

    I would be the point man on this.

    Being highly paid because I knew the job would last 6-18 months before the pressure would be so hiogh they’d can me (blame me) and then they could rechristen themselves some bland vanilla name.

    They would cash in on both selling the Rebel merchandise to rednecks and then the new name after they drop the Rebel theme.

    Of course you know how the relief pitcher would enter the game?

    In the General Lee.

  • Hed-Bone | September 18, 2007 at 9:40 am |

    I was really disturbed by the Redskins unis last night. The three different shades of burgundy they had on looked like crap. I don’t remember them being that bad in the past. Is it that hard to have your helmet, socks and jersey all be the same color. I guess that’s why they wear the whites so much.

  • Josh | September 18, 2007 at 9:41 am |

    They could not use the Tampa TigerSharks name without permission from my fanasy football team.

  • Eriq Jaffe | September 18, 2007 at 9:41 am |

    [quote comment=”143959″]And all the talk about inconsistency but no mention of the Cowboys? I’d think the double-outline blue-jersey numbers versus the plain block white-jersey numbers would be the first ones on the list.[/quote]

    Not to mention the fact that the Bears use a noticeably wider version of their font for the sleeve numbers.

  • Jeff | September 18, 2007 at 9:42 am |

    Is there a date yet for the Rays’ unveiling? You’ve piqued my curiousity (and raised fear)about how they’re going to use the yellow.

  • Stephen | September 18, 2007 at 9:45 am |

    Love for Georgia Tech and the Braves? Sweet! FYI in that video, I believe it is Martin Prado who has the magic bat.

    And I love the throwbacks Tech used last year (shown on Calvin Johnson here). The white helmet is sweet.

    ~E~

  • BDiamond | September 18, 2007 at 9:48 am |

    I prefer the white jersey/burgundy pant combo b/c they break out those sweet socks.

    http://www.sun-senti...

  • Paul Lukas | September 18, 2007 at 9:50 am |

    [quote comment=”143986″]Is there a date yet for the Rays’ unveiling?[/quote]

    Nov. 8th.

  • Stephen | September 18, 2007 at 9:51 am |

    [quote comment=”143989″][quote comment=”143986″]Is there a date yet for the Rays’ unveiling?[/quote]

    Nov. 8th.[/quote]
    My birthday! How thoughtful.

    ~E~

  • Mike Engle | September 18, 2007 at 9:53 am |

    I wish they’d drop the bay, too. Say it out loud. Tampa Rays. A lot less cumbersome than the Tampa Bay Rays, no?

  • John Delmigo | September 18, 2007 at 9:56 am |

    Paul, am I sensing some sarcasm regarding the new Sharks jersey? I think that’s one the worst jerseys (colors/logo/cut) in pro sports history. Just making sure there….

  • Josh | September 18, 2007 at 9:58 am |

    They don’t drop the bay because they want St.Pete and Clearwater to feell like they are a part of it. Just like the Bucs and Lightning. I know, they play in St.Pete, but its Tampa’s team. St.Pete bid for them as well but lost.

  • Paul Lukas | September 18, 2007 at 9:58 am |

    [quote comment=”143993″]Paul, am I sensing some sarcasm regarding the new Sharks jersey?[/quote]

    Nope. I like it.

  • Elena E | September 18, 2007 at 9:58 am |

    Aside from the TB cap logo, I don’t hate the Devil Rays current uni. I do hate to see a green color scheme go. I like their vest unis, and I hate powder blue road unis. Anything with yellow sounds ominously ugly.

  • S Bennett | September 18, 2007 at 10:00 am |

    “How could anyone who roots for the Redskins (OMG how bad is that name by today’s standards), Braves, Indians, Twins, etc honestly protest the Rebels or Confederates?”

    Pretty easy, actually. When asked my favourite NFL team, I say, “Washington” or sometimes “The Washingtons” to make a point that while players endeared me to the team in my youth, I’m no fan of the derogatory moniker. If the Washingtons were to change thier nickname, I’d be a very happy person.

    On another note, I think the captain and alternate letters over seams looks really sloppy. Poor planning. And yes, I thought the same when Nashville paraded it around previously. In fact, it looked worse on Preds uniforms, because of poor contrast.

    SB

  • Duckstyle | September 18, 2007 at 10:03 am |

    Maybe I missed it, does anyone know if they’ve(the Rays) changed their logo as well, besides color of course? Although I hated it in the past, thought it looked to Minor League for my taste, it’s grown on me since they changed to the dark green color scheme, which I liked a lot.

  • cathy | September 18, 2007 at 10:03 am |

    Living in Florida, I can assure you that you would have Nooooooooo problem getting fans to display the Rebel flag. I see tons of them everyday in yards, on cars, truck windows etc…sigh…

  • Boston Nick | September 18, 2007 at 10:03 am |

    Those Oilers jerseys look even worse in game action.

    They’re simultaneously boring (no hem striping) and busy (those goddamn stripes), and just look completely like a practice jersey.

    Horrid.

  • Minna H. | September 18, 2007 at 10:04 am |

    I will step out on the ledge with Josh D. and say that I hate the new Sharks’ unis. Why? Because I feel about teal/aquamarine/powder blue as Paul does about purple. There is no room in sports for light blue. Actually, there is no room in sports for pastels at all. Plus, the shark needs to be scarier-looking.

    As for Morten Anderson, what, is he cryogenetic? They put him on ice when he’s not in the league and thaw him when a reliable kicker is needed? Good for you, Mort, keep rocking the facemask old-school.

    Tampa Rays, I like it. Much easier to say than Tampa Bay Rays.

  • todd krevanchi | September 18, 2007 at 10:04 am |

    tampa bay rays…
    it still sounds like the “bay ray” is a type of ray, and it is indigenous to tampa.

    what would be funny is if the von Trapp family would by the tampa bay baseball franchise and call them the tampa bay re’s.
    change the logo to a
    treble clef at home

    bass clef on the road
    and
    a note for the alternate

  • Dave | September 18, 2007 at 10:04 am |

    I think the reason for the Red Wings moving the ‘C’ and ‘A’ is not just because of the seam, but also with the way the main logo curves up on the left-hand side of the shirt – it’s higher than it used to be. That’s not an issue with the Flyers.

    It does raise the question, though – since they can clearly stitch a Captain’s letter over the seam, why does the Rangers’ logo need to be so compressed?

  • Joe Drennan | September 18, 2007 at 10:06 am |

    [quote comment=”143965″]I hope the NHL referees are going to continue to wear the orange stripe instead of the silver one. The orange one is far more noticeable (at least to my eye).[/quote]
    I 100% agree. As a goalie, you look for that orange arm in the air as your que to get you butt to the bench for an extra attacker. The silver will blend in and confuse some goalies as it won’t be clear if it’s an off-sides or penalty depending on the location of the play.

  • Minna H. | September 18, 2007 at 10:06 am |

    Wait, I just saw the Twins being thrown in with the Indians, Braves, etc. How did the Twins get lumped in with that group? Twins are twins! We have the Twin Cities (Minneapolis and St. Paul), which is how we got the Twins. There is nothing derogatory about that.

  • todd krevanchi | September 18, 2007 at 10:06 am |

    [quote comment=”143995″][quote comment=”143993″]Paul, am I sensing some sarcasm regarding the new Sharks jersey?[/quote]

    Nope. I like it.[/quote]

    as do i. its one of the few i do. i include the oilers in this as well.
    im a huge proponent that the home and away jerseys should be identical in layout. they have followed this nicely.

  • Boston Nick | September 18, 2007 at 10:10 am |

    Wait.

    How is ‘Twins’ an offensive nickname?

  • Dane | September 18, 2007 at 10:15 am |

    Gosh darnit, tickets for the Penguins-Sabres Jan. 1 outdoor game sold out in TEN MINUTES this morning. I’m bummed.

  • Monte | September 18, 2007 at 10:21 am |

    I think the Sharks jersey looks like one of those jerseys you see in video games such as NHL 08 or the one ESPN produced.

    It looks like the made up uniforms and logos from those games.

    I haven’t dug their colors since they changed from their original teal, black, and silver.

    Shark is cool but looks a little cartoonish.

    As for the Redskins I have no problem with it. But I’m not Native American.

    I don’t have a problem with Fightin’ Irish and to my knowledge there are no Italian themed names.

    I was there to witness the horror of St. Johns dropping the name Redmen.

    Then the horror of the proposed name changes

    the Red
    the Red Wizards
    the Beast
    the Red Knights
    the Red Lobsters
    etc

    here’s the kick- the Redmen were named such because there first teams wore red jerseys.

    Later on they adopted the Native American lampooning character.

    It will always be Redmen to me.

  • Monte | September 18, 2007 at 10:22 am |

    I was kidding about the Twins.

    I want to state this-

    I live on Long Island and have no problem with the NHL franchise being named after its inhabitants.

    Maybe the Isles could be known as Le Inhabitants

    like the Canadiens – Le Habitants

  • hokiebuckeye | September 18, 2007 at 10:23 am |

    My $0.02:

    The flyers jersey looks pretty bad on Briere. The arm looks all wrong or something. And the alternate captaincy over the seam looks incredibly stupid.

    I agree with whoever said that teh Panthers’ jersey looks too crowded with the A.

  • Joe Drennan | September 18, 2007 at 10:26 am |

    [quote comment=”144005″]Wait, I just saw the Twins being thrown in with the Indians, Braves, etc. How did the Twins get lumped in with that group? Twins are twins! We have the Twin Cities (Minneapolis and St. Paul), which is how we got the Twins. There is nothing derogatory about that.[/quote]
    (Sarcasim) Come on Minna – do you know how difficult it is to be labeled a Twin and have somebody look just like you, or at least share the same DNA? I’d much rather be called a Redskin or Brave, or even worse a Viking than be called a Twin. Seriously, would you liked to be dressed like sombody else each and every day of your todler life? With your luck, if you had a twin they’d love the color pink too. Oh the horror.(Sarcasim)

  • ToasterPoodle | September 18, 2007 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment=”143967″]Regarding the Dayton throwback jerseys in the sports ticker. I actually know a little about this, being a UD alum and having run cross country there. The story goes that the official school colors were red and and light blue, called Marianist blue (the Marianist are the religious order who founded the school). Supposedly, the school switched to navy blue during the eighties because the basketball court looked funny on TV when decorated light blue.
    All of this came to my attention in 2003 when I was running cross country at UD. Our coach thought it would be a good idea to honor the school’s tradition by ordering Marianist blue jerseys. They were amazing looking. Unfortunately, the athletic department decided they were not officially school colors, and made us get new ones the following season. In fact, they were so against the light blue jerseys, they gave them to us at the end of the year, something they had never done before. So, it’s kind of ironic that they’re selling the throwback football jerseys for $150 on the website, but they were so against the throwback CC jerseys, they gave them away just to get rid of them.[/quote]
    I grew up in Dayton and used to have this UD basketball warm-up shirt. Picture Houston Astros Tequila Sunrise unis in shades of light to navy blue.
    I loved the ‘Marianist Blue’ Dayton Football Jerseys. I may have to pick one up!

  • Boston Nick | September 18, 2007 at 10:31 am |

    For what it’s worth, I do agree completely that R**skins needs to be a nickname of the past. It’s horrendously offensive, and the history of the team and its past success really doesn’t change my thinking on that matter.

  • Perry | September 18, 2007 at 10:34 am |

    [quote comment=”143975″][quote comment=”143963″]So I’m guessing the Rays didn’t go with the powder blue road unis. Man I was really hoping for that. Please tell me they ditched the vests…[/quote]

    Interesting. The vests were the only thing that I liked about the Rays’ current uniforms, but then again, I think that every team wearing vests looks good in them (Rockies excepted, but that goes without saying, right?).[/quote]

    If you’re talking about the Rockies’ black vests, I completely agree. But their white pinstriped ones look fine, IMO:

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • BDiamond | September 18, 2007 at 10:37 am |

    [quote comment=”144016″]For what it’s worth, I do agree completely that R**skins needs to be a nickname of the past. It’s horrendously offensive, and the history of the team and its past success really doesn’t change my thinking on that matter.[/quote]

    While I’m part native american and I don’t take any offense to the name (it could be b/c i’m originally from the area and support the team) I could see an older generation taking more offense to it. I’m just against name changes in general after Abe Pollin butched the Bullets and turned them to the Wizards.

  • Wally1912 | September 18, 2007 at 10:39 am |

    Speaking of placement of captain C’s and assistant A’s, I thought the Canucks could have come up with a unique way of denoting these positions and help avoid the clutter.

  • Wicks | September 18, 2007 at 10:39 am |

    Check out the cool mask that Avs keeper Tyler Weiman has this year. There is a mean looking Yeti on the top.

  • Gene F | September 18, 2007 at 10:40 am |

    tampa bay rays…
    it still sounds like the “bay ray” is a type of ray, and it is indigenous to tampa.

    Yup. The same deal as the Nippon Ham Fighters, where the team is the Fighters, sponsored by Nippon Ham, but instead sounds like a bit from Belushi’s Samurai Delicatessen.

  • ScottyJ in WV | September 18, 2007 at 10:42 am |

    Love Morten Anderson’s facemask! That style makes me think of Terry Bradshaw.

    Bob Griese and Archie Manning wore a similar style as well.

    I love the simplicity, functionality and style of the facemasks from the late 70s/early 80s.

  • Monte | September 18, 2007 at 10:42 am |

    The Canucks should have made the C in VanCouver

  • TimothyB | September 18, 2007 at 10:43 am |

    [quote comment=”143966″]Paul, the Oilers are also guilty of the captaincy over a seam. You can see it here on the home jersey, and here on the road jersey.

    I’ve emailed Rbk Hockey for an explanation. If I get anything (which I doubt), I may have to refer it back to you since you’re the one with ESPN credentials. :o)[/quote]

    Man….that’s one “vanilla” hockey jersey if I’ve ever seen one.

    Sad part is, fans will go out and buy these jerseys just to have the “newest thing”. And then when the teams get enough negative feedback, they will change these initial designs. And then the fans will have to go out and buy the “new” jersey all over again.

    Maybe some of these teams aren’t as dumb or “fashion blind” as we think they are. After all, it’s all about the dough-re-mi….

  • Monte | September 18, 2007 at 10:43 am |

    I like East Bay Ray from the Dead Kennedys

  • dilbert719 | September 18, 2007 at 10:44 am |

    On the subject of Danny Snyder’s Fantasy Football Team, I suspect they’ll only change names if he ever loses a lawsuit about it. There are too many people in the DC area who’d kill him otherwise. However, I suspect should he ever lose the name, the team will go to the spear helmet, and the name Washington Warriors. (Snyder’s reserved an Arena Football team with that name, something he did a few years back, and has never really taken steps to put that team into play, so I suspect he’s just holding the rights to the name.)

    What he really should do, though, is cross-brand his team and his fast food chain. Call them the Washington Rockets (for those unaware, Dan Snyder recently bought Johnny Rocket’s, a chain of burger joints.)

    As for the Sharks unis, I love ’em. Take the numbers off the front, for the love of all that’s holy, and someone please get Reebok to square up the bottom hems, and it’ll be perfect. I’m nowhere near as sold on the Flyers’ jerseys, especially what they’re doing with the A & C patches. That looks less like a uniform, and more like a cry for help. Someone please save my team from their own designers!

  • Robert | September 18, 2007 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment=”144017″][quote comment=”143975″][quote comment=”143963″]So I’m guessing the Rays didn’t go with the powder blue road unis. Man I was really hoping for that. Please tell me they ditched the vests…[/quote]

    Interesting. The vests were the only thing that I liked about the Rays’ current uniforms, but then again, I think that every team wearing vests looks good in them (Rockies excepted, but that goes without saying, right?).[/quote]

    If you’re talking about the Rockies’ black vests, I completely agree. But their white pinstriped ones look fine, IMO:

    http://sports.yahoo....

    You are correct, sir, I was referencing the black vests. The pinstriped version is a-ok.

  • Philly Bill | September 18, 2007 at 10:46 am |

    Why did the Red Wings move the ‘C’ and ‘A’ to the other side of their jerseys when the Flyers can do this?

    Because the Red Wings didn’t want their jerseys to look terrible, that’s why. The Flyers’ letter-adorned jerseys look like complete, absolute horsesh*t. Miserable.

    This is worse, though. Gee, why don’t you just draw a baseball cap on the panther’s head and put the ‘A’ on the front of that?

  • Michael Lewis | September 18, 2007 at 10:50 am |

    The Rams had two different “2”s with their old uniforms. Checkout this…

    Compare the two on #25’s back, and the 2 on Faulk’s sleeve.

  • Dave | September 18, 2007 at 10:51 am |

    With regards to the Sharks jersey, I agree with Paul that the horizontal stripe at the bottom of the jersey will not look good with the rounded bottom.

    While I like the classic look of the Blackhawks jersey. However, I hate the white bottom to the red home jersey. It makes it look like they have a huge diaper on. They should have just kept the red at the bottom.

    Sharks jersey’s are ok. Teal is not my favorite color.

    They are better than Islanders, Sabres et al but, despite Paul’s opinion (because someone made the accusation yesterday that no one would disagree with Paul…which was quickly proven wrong) The Sharks unis are not as good as the Blues. I won’t defend the Blues’ pants…those are goofy. But I like the sweaters.

  • Minna H. | September 18, 2007 at 10:53 am |

    [quote comment=”144014″][quote comment=”144005″]Wait, I just saw the Twins being thrown in with the Indians, Braves, etc. How did the Twins get lumped in with that group? Twins are twins! We have the Twin Cities (Minneapolis and St. Paul), which is how we got the Twins. There is nothing derogatory about that.[/quote]
    (Sarcasim) Come on Minna – do you know how difficult it is to be labeled a Twin and have somebody look just like you, or at least share the same DNA? I’d much rather be called a Redskin or Brave, or even worse a Viking than be called a Twin. Seriously, would you liked to be dressed like sombody else each and every day of your todler life? With your luck, if you had a twin they’d love the color pink too. Oh the horror.(Sarcasim)[/quote]

    Damn, Joe D., you hit the nail on the head. I mean, having people mix you up all the time and having to share the same birthday…That IS worse than the other names. Not only would my twin like pink, she would hate sports and only go to the gym to look cute in her thong leotard. Thank you for opening my eyes, Joe D.; I will now root for the St. Paul Saints instead. Except, I’m agnostic, so that would be against my (non) religion….

  • Kevin Corley | September 18, 2007 at 10:55 am |

    Both the Redkins and the Eagles wore 75th anniversary patches last night.

    Maybe I’m a DC homer, but the Redskins one looked better.

    Game Photos

  • Dave | September 18, 2007 at 10:58 am |

    As for the Sharks unis, I love ‘em. Take the numbers off the front

    I also agree with dilbert719 on the front numbers…I hate those. They look stupid on the shoulder and even worse on the front of the Stars home unis.

  • JJD | September 18, 2007 at 10:58 am |

    I’m interested in compiling more of these typographic inconsistencies. So if you know of any additional cases, let’s have ’em.

    The undefeated 1972 Dolphins team had inconsistencies with the numeral “2” depending on the front or back of the jersey. Watching “America’s Game” that drove me NUTS, because it was SO obvious.

    If you go to ag.nfl.com and click on the team’s link there is a photo gallery. Paul Warfield’s jersey really shows it the best.

  • Mike Engle | September 18, 2007 at 10:59 am |

    The Joe Namath Jets, at one point, had a varsity 2 on the green jerseys (white number set) and the more diagonal, for a lack of a better tern, 2 digit with the green numbers on the white jerseys.

  • possum | September 18, 2007 at 11:08 am |

    There may be prototypes or model NHL jerseys out there with the C/A sewn over the seam but it won’t be practical in game use. The shoulders and upper arms of these new jerseys are a different, more elastic, material than the body of the jersey. I’d imagine the stitching would pop right out once they got moving/fighting/getting dressed over time. Of course, Paul would have a field day posting pictures of letters popping off but equipment managers would hate it. :D

  • Roger Faso | September 18, 2007 at 11:08 am |

    [quote comment=”143978″]Don’t know if anyone posted this yesterday about Julio Lugo’s pine tar stain.

    I gather it’s from following through on his swing. If I stand up in my office and swing a bat (I actually have one) the label of the bat, where a lot of players “store” pine tar, hits me in the shoulder, right about where Lugo’s pine tar stain is.[/quote]

    It just dawned on me.

    If I were pitching on Lugo’s team and needed some extra movement on the ball, I would call a mound conference and pat him on the shoulder for “good luck.”

  • tim b | September 18, 2007 at 11:10 am |

    Tribe went to blue tops for Tuesday and Saturday home games back in the first week of June, but sported them last night on a Monday in getting the magic number down to 7.

    http://www.cleveland...

    Also, forgive me if this has been mentioned in the past few days, but the Tribe has been imploring fans to wear red for this Tigers series.

    http://cleveland.ind...

  • Roger Faso | September 18, 2007 at 11:13 am |

    Was watching the Big Ten network and they were showing a Purdue v. Notre Dame game from ’99. One of the players on Notre Dame had a gold chin strap. It looked pretty cool. Sadly, I don’t have a photo.

  • Eric S. | September 18, 2007 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”143992″]I wish they’d drop the bay, too. Say it out loud. Tampa Rays. A lot less cumbersome than the Tampa Bay Rays, no?[/quote]
    They should have been the Tampa Stingrays from day one. It sounds good, and everybody knows what a stingray is.

    Do they honestly think that somebody won’t go to the games simply because they don’t have “Bay” in the team name? As for not actually playing in Tampa, well, the Giants and Jets don’t play in New York, either. If you want to get really technical, the Cowboys don’t play in Dallas, and the Bills don’t play in Buffalo.

  • Kim | September 18, 2007 at 11:16 am |

    [quote comment=”144042″]There may be prototypes or model NHL jerseys out there with the C/A sewn over the seam but it won’t be practical in game use. The shoulders and upper arms of these new jerseys are a different, more elastic, material than the body of the jersey. I’d imagine the stitching would pop right out once they got moving/fighting/getting dressed over time. Of course, Paul would have a field day posting pictures of letters popping off but equipment managers would hate it. :D[/quote]

    On the jersey I got from the Flyers, there was no stitching of the numbers, logos, or letters. They all appeared to be affixed in other ways. But that may be an artifact of the commercial use of my jersey as opposed to game use.

    Also remember that the Flyers have said that they’ll be using jerseys two sizes too big. That’ll eliminate any stretching. Also I would think that the front of the shoulder area shouldn’t see too much stretching, but more compression.

  • Dane | September 18, 2007 at 11:17 am |

    [quote comment=”144042″]There may be prototypes or model NHL jerseys out there with the C/A sewn over the seam but it won’t be practical in game use. The shoulders and upper arms of these new jerseys are a different, more elastic, material than the body of the jersey. I’d imagine the stitching would pop right out once they got moving/fighting/getting dressed over time. Of course, Paul would have a field day posting pictures of letters popping off but equipment managers would hate it. :D[/quote]

    The picture of Daniel Briere in the ticker and the Oilers pictures linked in post #8 are from this weekend’s preseason action, so those are indeed on the seam during games.

  • My name is not Earl | September 18, 2007 at 11:17 am |

    Regarding the “ANF” decals on Iowa’s helmets (from yesterday): it’s nice that the Hawkeyes have brought them back, and I like this design better than the old one, but their present position is buried on the back of the helmet, along with all the other stuff (number, flag, safety label, etc.). At least with the old logo, it was prominently positioned so that you were going to see it. If you’re going to promote the message that America needs farmers, you can get the message out better by putting the decal in a place where people are going to see it.

    And another thing: the first time Iowa wore the old stickers, they beat Michigan, which was ranked #2 at the time (apparently they used to be good). Maybe switching to the old design and placement will switch Iowa’s luck on the field as well.

  • Paul Lukas | September 18, 2007 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment=”144040″]The Joe Namath Jets, at one point, had a varsity 2 on the green jerseys (white number set) and the more diagonal, for a lack of a better tern, 2 digit with the green numbers on the white jerseys.[/quote]

    Not positive, but I don’t think they ever had that home/road distinction at the same time. I think switched from “normal block” to “diagonal block” for BOTH jerseys somteimes in the late ’60s.

  • Stuby | September 18, 2007 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment=”144046″][quote comment=”143992″]I wish they’d drop the bay, too. Say it out loud. Tampa Rays. A lot less cumbersome than the Tampa Bay Rays, no?[/quote]
    They should have been the Tampa Stingrays from day one. It sounds good, and everybody knows what a stingray is.

    Do they honestly think that somebody won’t go to the games simply because they don’t have “Bay” in the team name? As for not actually playing in Tampa, well, the Giants and Jets don’t play in New York, either. If you want to get really technical, the Cowboys don’t play in Dallas, and the Bills don’t play in Buffalo.[/quote]
    Florida is really screwed up Geographically. For example, the U. of South Florida isn’t even in South Florida, its in Tampa.

  • Original Jim | September 18, 2007 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”143985″][quote comment=”143959″]And all the talk about inconsistency but no mention of the Cowboys? I’d think the double-outline blue-jersey numbers versus the plain block white-jersey numbers would be the first ones on the list.[/quote]

    Not to mention the fact that the Bears use a noticeably wider version of their font for the sleeve numbers.[/quote]

    Actually, they even use a slightly different version on the fronts than the backs, with the bar of the 4 specifically higher in the back than the front (or the other way around). Check out some pictures of Brian Urlacher and you will notice the difference.

  • TBDRO | September 18, 2007 at 11:39 am |

    I haven’t seen the new identity package, but it sounds like the Devil Rays dropped the ball big time on this one. “We won’t use Stingrays because people could call us the Stinkrays.” So freaking what!

    I really thought that they would fix the mistake that Naimoli made 10+ years ago in not paying the Maui Stingrays for the rights to Stingrays.

    Unbelieveable.

    Anyways, Paul, any other clues/hints/info you can give on the logos? Did they carry anything over from the current identity? What about the cap logo? Not being a jersey wearer, the cap is the most important element for me.

  • Dave P | September 18, 2007 at 11:39 am |

    Check out these two Florida high school teams — one with FSU’s helmet logo and one with Miami’s old hurricane flag logo.

    Holy crap! Seminoles wearing blue and orange? I’d have thought that was prohibited by the Florida state constitution.

  • Matt B | September 18, 2007 at 11:49 am |

    I wish they’d drop the bay, too. Say it out loud. Tampa Rays. A lot less cumbersome than the Tampa Bay Rays, no?

    Tampa Faye Wrays?

  • todd krevanchi | September 18, 2007 at 11:49 am |

    the womens team havent made the change to the new usa basketball unis as seen here in my attempt to get sue bird in todays blog.
    http://www.spmsports...

    full gallery here
    http://www.spmsports...

  • Trump1010 | September 18, 2007 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment=”144046″][quote comment=”143992″]I wish they’d drop the bay, too. Say it out loud. Tampa Rays. A lot less cumbersome than the Tampa Bay Rays, no?[/quote]
    They should have been the Tampa Stingrays from day one. It sounds good, and everybody knows what a stingray is.

    Do they honestly think that somebody won’t go to the games simply because they don’t have “Bay” in the team name? As for not actually playing in Tampa, well, the Giants and Jets don’t play in New York, either. If you want to get really technical, the Cowboys don’t play in Dallas, and the Bills don’t play in Buffalo.[/quote]

    That like the Orioles never wearing “Baltimore” on their jerseys so Angelos can claim more of a regional domain. He’s not fooling any of us (re: Washingtonians) that the O’s are our team… trust us we’d rather have our sub-par Nats than his sub-par O’s any day.

  • Adam | September 18, 2007 at 11:54 am |

    [quote comment=”144046″][quote comment=”143992″]I wish they’d drop the bay, too. Say it out loud. Tampa Rays. A lot less cumbersome than the Tampa Bay Rays, no?[/quote]
    They should have been the Tampa Stingrays from day one. It sounds good, and everybody knows what a stingray is.

    Do they honestly think that somebody won’t go to the games simply because they don’t have “Bay” in the team name? [/quote]

    Do you honestly think that more people would go to games just because the name would sound better without “Bay”? Why potentially upset a portion of the fanbase if it’s not going to help the team?

  • Tricia | September 18, 2007 at 11:56 am |

    Its completely shallow and possibly useless information, but the rounded hemline of the NHL jerseys flaps nicely in the back when a player is skating full speed. That has always been one of my favorite sights to see on a hockey rink.

    If I had to guess, I’d say its a remnant from when the jerseys were originally designed to be tucked into the pants, though.

  • Matt B | September 18, 2007 at 12:00 pm |

    >Do you honestly think that more people would go to games just because the name would sound better without “Bay”? Why potentially upset a portion of the fanbase if it’s not going to help the team?

    Which portion is that — the houseboat-dwelling one? Tampa Bay is a body of water.

  • todd krevanchi | September 18, 2007 at 12:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”144049″]Regarding the “ANF” decals on Iowa’s helmets (from yesterday): it’s nice that the Hawkeyes have brought them back, and I like this design better than the old one, but their present position is buried on the back of the helmet, along with all the other stuff (number, flag, safety label, etc.). At least with the old logo, it was prominently positioned so that you were going to see it. If you’re going to promote the message that America needs farmers, you can get the message out better by putting the decal in a place where people are going to see it.

    And another thing: the first time Iowa wore the old stickers, they beat Michigan, which was ranked #2 at the time (apparently they used to be good). Maybe switching to the old design and placement will switch Iowa’s luck on the field as well.[/quote]

    in the movie “the program” iowa had the flag and anf decals on the helmet like pictured yesterday. a detail often missed in these kinda films. “invinceable” was very good in catching these details, especially in the facemasks used.

  • SS | September 18, 2007 at 12:07 pm |

    Hey Paul and everyone,

    Every once in a while, the topic of “ditching the black” comes up with the Mets. I’m assuming with Paul it’s a sensitive issue due to his fondness for the Mets and a desire to see a classy color-combo get restored. But the Mets certainly aren’t the only team to go trendy-black on us. There are other teams out there, my Flyers are the most noticeable to me. Back in the late 90s they unveiled a 3rd jersey that was just a color swap with black. It was not a big deal until they made a playoff-run wearing them as their road jerseys. The next year the black jerseys became the permanent roads and now that the NHL switched to colored jerseys being the home ones, these black jerseys have been their primary color! I don’t know any Flyers fan who likes the black jerseys. Hey Flyers, ditch the black!

    So here’s where I’m going with this, for what it’s worth (and if it’s been done already, I apologize in advance): Do you think it’s a worthwhile cause to start documenting all the teams that have ditched a main color for black in effort to see how far its gone (and possibly organize a larger voice to end this practice)? I don’t necessarily mean the teams with alternate jerseys or that added black accents or trimming like the Detroit Lions, I mean where a team actually has prominent enough addition of black that it’s essentially a team color now (although documenting black accents could be worthwhile too). Any thoughts about this?

  • Joe Drennan | September 18, 2007 at 12:20 pm |

    You could argue the Dallas Stars went to the black as a primary color when they were still the Minnesota North Stars, but I think that was something ownership did knowing they’d be moving south as both a way to lessen the impact of losing the North Stars Minnesota fans on the team, and rebrand themselves as a new team once in Dallas.

  • Cullan | September 18, 2007 at 12:27 pm |

    I came across an interesting article here about the inconsistency of signage (esp. font/typography) in the Toronto Subway that I thought was very uniwatch-ish.

  • tony payne | September 18, 2007 at 12:27 pm |

    so the tape finally goes all the way around the hockeystick on the sharks logo

  • Dave | September 18, 2007 at 12:28 pm |

    This may have been mentioned weeks ago, but the Bobcats officially announced a new secondary logo (which looks a lot like this). The article also notes that the uniforms will have a more classic font this year (which I think is great), and that they will transition from orange-and-blue colors to blue-and-orange (I’m kind of against this move). They will wear the blue uniforms 25 times this year on the road, and then all 41 times in 2008-09.

  • Beantown | September 18, 2007 at 12:29 pm |

    I have to admit that I wasn’t a fan of the new RBK uniforms when they were rolled out. But seeing them in game action during the preseason via photos, I have come around. They look pretty sharp on most teams, even the ones that I didn’t love when they were revealed.

  • Tim F | September 18, 2007 at 12:29 pm |

    Heres a uni-tard for ya. At least these are broken up unlike some of the NHL teams

    http://www.spmsports...

  • todd krevanchi | September 18, 2007 at 12:30 pm |

    interesting last sentence in this article…
    did i miss a day? i was under the impression that the blue/gray one was going to be used more often to the point when the orange was weeded out.
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Alan | September 18, 2007 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”144070″]I came across an interesting article here about the inconsistency of signage (esp. font/typography) in the Toronto Subway that I thought was very uniwatch-ish.[/quote]

    Damn, beat me to it!

  • possum | September 18, 2007 at 12:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”144061″][quote comment=”144046″][quote comment=”143992″]I wish they’d drop the bay, too. Say it out loud. Tampa Rays. A lot less cumbersome than the Tampa Bay Rays, no?[/quote]
    They should have been the Tampa Stingrays from day one. It sounds good, and everybody knows what a stingray is.

    Do they honestly think that somebody won’t go to the games simply because they don’t have “Bay” in the team name? [/quote]

    Do you honestly think that more people would go to games just because the name would sound better without “Bay”? Why potentially upset a portion of the fanbase if it’s not going to help the team?[/quote]
    Do people go to the games as it is?

  • TBDRO | September 18, 2007 at 12:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”144065″]>Do you honestly think that more people would go to games just because the name would sound better without “Bay”? Why potentially upset a portion of the fanbase if it’s not going to help the team?

    Which portion is that — the houseboat-dwelling one? Tampa Bay is a body of water.[/quote]
    It is also a geographic region specifically created to generate business and attract major league sports. If I remember correctly, the push towards Tampa Bay as a regional identifier was conceived by the Pinellas and Hillsborough Chambers of Commerce to attract an NFL franchise. At the time, no city in Pinellas or Hillsborough was large enough to warrant an NFL franchise. Seems to have worked out fairly nicely. No way any of the frachises would drop Bay from their names — mainly because it is unnecessary. The teams may play in St. Petersburg or Tampa, but they represent the Tampa Bay area, just like the New England Patriots, New York Jets/Giants, etc.

  • Teebz | September 18, 2007 at 12:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”144067″]
    So here’s where I’m going with this, for what it’s worth (and if it’s been done already, I apologize in advance): Do you think it’s a worthwhile cause to start documenting all the teams that have ditched a main color for black in effort to see how far its gone (and possibly organize a larger voice to end this practice)? I don’t necessarily mean the teams with alternate jerseys or that added black accents or trimming like the Detroit Lions, I mean where a team actually has prominent enough addition of black that it’s essentially a team color now (although documenting black accents could be worthwhile too). Any thoughts about this?[/quote]

    I alluded to this trend of black on my blog entry about the Flyers. The Flyers had classy jerseys before they went black. Everything about those jerseys were right: contrasting shoulder yoke to jersey, black accentuation to highlight the contrasts, a clear and crisp logo, and a distinct and unique colour for their look.

    That’s what makes a uniform. The team can be identified from what they are wearing. Why do you think UPS pushes the “what can brown do for you” motto? It’s what makes them different and recognizable no matter where they are or where they go.

    Black is worn out. The Raiders are acceptable with the silver and black. The Saints can pass too. Everyone else needs to move away from black… sooner than later.

    Sorry, Minna. I know your love of black, but if you cheer for the Twins who refuse to wear black uniforms, you may not be tied to it for all other teams. Historically, if a team has a black jersey, it can stay, in my opinion. If it does not, it should be banned.

  • Philly Bill | September 18, 2007 at 12:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”144067″]Hey Paul and everyone,

    Every once in a while, the topic of “ditching the black” comes up with the Mets. I’m assuming with Paul it’s a sensitive issue due to his fondness for the Mets and a desire to see a classy color-combo get restored. But the Mets certainly aren’t the only team to go trendy-black on us. There are other teams out there, my Flyers are the most noticeable to me. Back in the late 90s they unveiled a 3rd jersey that was just a color swap with black. It was not a big deal until they made a playoff-run wearing them as their road jerseys. The next year the black jerseys became the permanent roads and now that the NHL switched to colored jerseys being the home ones, these black jerseys have been their primary color! I don’t know any Flyers fan who likes the black jerseys. Hey Flyers, ditch the black!

    So here’s where I’m going with this, for what it’s worth (and if it’s been done already, I apologize in advance): Do you think it’s a worthwhile cause to start documenting all the teams that have ditched a main color for black in effort to see how far its gone (and possibly organize a larger voice to end this practice)? I don’t necessarily mean the teams with alternate jerseys or that added black accents or trimming like the Detroit Lions, I mean where a team actually has prominent enough addition of black that it’s essentially a team color now (although documenting black accents could be worthwhile too). Any thoughts about this?[/quote]

    I don’t like it either — I still wear my old “road orange” jersey — but the Flyers get a pass because one of their team colors is black and always has been. The Mets get no such forbearance.

  • Jonathan | September 18, 2007 at 12:42 pm |

    Referees in Flyers/Devils game last night wearing orange armbands. Their jerseys appeared with the NHL crest, meaning they are not AHL officials. Appears to be Kerry Fraiser in one picture, wearing orange arm bands.

    http://flyers.nhl.co...

  • Shaftman | September 18, 2007 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”144082″][quote comment=”144067″]
    So here’s where I’m going with this, for what it’s worth (and if it’s been done already, I apologize in advance): Do you think it’s a worthwhile cause to start documenting all the teams that have ditched a main color for black in effort to see how far its gone (and possibly organize a larger voice to end this practice)? I don’t necessarily mean the teams with alternate jerseys or that added black accents or trimming like the Detroit Lions, I mean where a team actually has prominent enough addition of black that it’s essentially a team color now (although documenting black accents could be worthwhile too). Any thoughts about this?[/quote]

    I alluded to this trend of black on my blog entry about the Flyers. The Flyers had classy jerseys before they went black. Everything about those jerseys were right: contrasting shoulder yoke to jersey, black accentuation to highlight the contrasts, a clear and crisp logo, and a distinct and unique colour for their look.

    That’s what makes a uniform. The team can be identified from what they are wearing. Why do you think UPS pushes the “what can brown do for you” motto? It’s what makes them different and recognizable no matter where they are or where they go.

    Black is worn out. The Raiders are acceptable with the silver and black. The Saints can pass too. Everyone else needs to move away from black… sooner than later.

    Sorry, Minna. I know your love of black, but if you cheer for the Twins who refuse to wear black uniforms, you may not be tied to it for all other teams. Historically, if a team has a black jersey, it can stay, in my opinion. If it does not, it should be banned.[/quote]

    Agreed, unless the team name determines that the team should have black as a primary color (ie Panthers, Ravens). That doesn’t mean that they should do a Black on Black uni though.

  • Adam | September 18, 2007 at 12:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”144082″]
    Black is worn out. The Raiders are acceptable with the silver and black. The Saints can pass too. Everyone else needs to move away from black… sooner than later.[/quote]

    What about the White Sox? They’ve had the same black uniforms for 16 years now (a very long time in White Sox uniform terms), and it’s hard to imagine them changing (nor should they).

  • Greg | September 18, 2007 at 12:50 pm |

    The College All-Star site has pictures in most of the game summaries. The Jets seem to be wearing less than their regulation jerseys in the 1969 game.

  • Ron | September 18, 2007 at 12:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”143973″][quote comment=”143964″]I agree… I think the new Sharks sweaters are sweet, incorporating their new logo with their original look (striping below the crest and sleeve numbers. And I love the contrasting shoulders![/quote]

    One big problem though. The continued use by many teams of the front number. Pointless clutter. Plus I won’t be happy with any jersey until the rounded hemline is eliminated.[/quote]
    I like the Sharks new look. However I agree the small number on the upper right makes it cluttered. What happens if teams with numbers on the upper right make it to the Stanley Cup Finals, where will they put the patch?

    Also the shoulder logos seem to big. Having these logos is repetitive of the main crest. I was hoping they would use the Shark Fin on the shoulders.

    But overall an ok uniform.

  • Mike Engle | September 18, 2007 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”144052″][quote comment=”144040″]The Joe Namath Jets, at one point, had a varsity 2 on the green jerseys (white number set) and the more diagonal, for a lack of a better tern, 2 digit with the green numbers on the white jerseys.[/quote]

    Not positive, but I don’t think they ever had that home/road distinction at the same time. I think switched from “normal block” to “diagonal block” for BOTH jerseys somteimes in the late ’60s.[/quote]
    Found this site. Ctrl+F “Namath 1968,” and sure enough, same year, different color jersey, different corresponding 2 digit. And while we’re on this site, the 1994 49ers seem to have two whole sets of numbers. Look at Deion Sanders’ jerseys to see the differences.

  • todd krevanchi | September 18, 2007 at 12:56 pm |

    agreed. when black is a complementarey color in a teams uni, my opinion is that its ok to throw a black alternatie in once in a while as a change of pace.

    my hatred of dook was only stoked when they started with the black alternate, and then added it as a complementary color.

  • jaye | September 18, 2007 at 1:03 pm |

    I actually go to Devil Rays games and not just to see the other teams. Yeah, they’re lackluster, but I love baseball and this is all I have right now. I like the green, I like the name and I live in St. Pete. There, I said it! I also love spring training because of all the teams I can see via day trips. GO RAYS!!!!!

  • Ben | September 18, 2007 at 1:05 pm |

    Paul,
    This could quite possibly go into your least favorite uniform section of the FAQ’s very quickly.
    Hope you haven’t eaten recently: Front and Back

  • Mike | September 18, 2007 at 1:13 pm |

    These look amazingly sharp on ice (except for the numbers on front).

  • Ian | September 18, 2007 at 1:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”144020″]Speaking of placement of captain C’s and assistant A’s, I thought the Canucks could have come up with a unique way of denoting these positions and help avoid the clutter.[/quote]

    Alternates, not assistants.

  • Rydell M. | September 18, 2007 at 1:14 pm |

    The NHL jerseys are looking good in action and on the ice.

  • Paul Lukas | September 18, 2007 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”144091″][quote comment=”144052″][quote comment=”144040″]The Joe Namath Jets, at one point, had a varsity 2 on the green jerseys (white number set) and the more diagonal, for a lack of a better tern, 2 digit with the green numbers on the white jerseys.[/quote]

    Not positive, but I don’t think they ever had that home/road distinction at the same time. I think switched from “normal block” to “diagonal block” for BOTH jerseys somteimes in the late ’60s.[/quote]

    Found this site. Ctrl+F “Namath 1968,” and sure enough, same year, different color jersey, different corresponding 2 digit.[/quote]

    Getting closer. But I’m not basing anything on a throwback reproduction.

  • Kevin M | September 18, 2007 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”144095″]Paul,
    This could quite possibly go into your least favorite uniform section of the FAQ’s very quickly.
    Hope you haven’t eaten recently: Front and Back[/quote]

    Wow, nice double logo creep on the back view.

  • Boston Nick | September 18, 2007 at 1:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”144107″]The NHL jerseys are looking good in action and on the ice.[/quote]

    I disagree there. St. Louis, Calgary and Florida all look awful, while Edmonton just looks incredibly boring.

    It’s not surprising, but the NHL has really done an awful job here.

  • Justin | September 18, 2007 at 1:22 pm |

    The Red Sox had their annual rookie hazing Sunday night going through customs into Toronto.

    Here’s Daisuke Matsuzaka as a teletubby.

  • brotzel | September 18, 2007 at 1:22 pm |

    Why is Michigan wearing adidas when Nike sponsors their jerseys?

  • Mets Fan in Chicago | September 18, 2007 at 1:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”144095″]Paul,
    This could quite possibly go into your least favorite uniform section of the FAQ’s very quickly.
    Hope you haven’t eaten recently: Front and Back[/quote]

    GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!
    MY EYES!!!!! MY EYES!!!!!!!

  • Jim | September 18, 2007 at 1:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”144105″]These look amazingly sharp on ice (except for the numbers on front).[/quote]

    Teal is a horrible color for a sports uniform. Always hated the teal in SJ unis. Since when is a shark teal? They are more gray I feel. SJ Sharks would looke SO much better if they replaced the teal with gray. In my opinion anyways……….

  • Chad G | September 18, 2007 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”144113″]Why is Michigan wearing adidas when Nike sponsors their jerseys?[/quote]

    ?
    Explain what you mean here

  • Walaitis | September 18, 2007 at 1:46 pm |

    Looks like the other Jim and I are on about the same time alot recently … going to a different, less likely to be repeated name …

    A favor to ask of everyone … lots and lots of comments for the next couple days (and be nice, would ya?) … just had all four wisdom teeth removed this morning … I’ll be spending alot of time here (and now thinking it’s worth getting my own membership). Without uniwatch, I’ll be forced to either talk with family or work from home. If it means anything, subject matter like Cubs uniforms would definitely keep my interest.

    I hurt. Please help.

    Thanks

  • Andy | September 18, 2007 at 1:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”144046″][quote comment=”143992″]I wish they’d drop the bay, too. Say it out loud. Tampa Rays. A lot less cumbersome than the Tampa Bay Rays, no?[/quote]
    They should have been the Tampa Stingrays from day one. It sounds good, and everybody knows what a stingray is.

    Do they honestly think that somebody won’t go to the games simply because they don’t have “Bay” in the team name? As for not actually playing in Tampa, well, the Giants and Jets don’t play in New York, either. If you want to get really technical, the Cowboys don’t play in Dallas, and the Bills don’t play in Buffalo.[/quote]

    Or they could drop the Tampa and just be the Bay Rays.
    “…I’m in da club hollerin’ Ay Bay Rays…”

  • Walaitis | September 18, 2007 at 1:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”144119″][quote comment=”144046″][quote comment=”143992″]I wish they’d drop the bay, too. Say it out loud. Tampa Rays. A lot less cumbersome than the Tampa Bay Rays, no?[/quote]
    They should have been the Tampa Stingrays from day one. It sounds good, and everybody knows what a stingray is.

    Do they honestly think that somebody won’t go to the games simply because they don’t have “Bay” in the team name? As for not actually playing in Tampa, well, the Giants and Jets don’t play in New York, either. If you want to get really technical, the Cowboys don’t play in Dallas, and the Bills don’t play in Buffalo.[/quote]

    Or they could drop the Tampa and just be the Bay Rays.
    “…I’m in da club hollerin’ Ay Bay Rays…”[/quote]

    “The Tampa Rays of St. Petersburg, Tampa, Orlando, Destin, Miami – but only if you’re not already a Marlins Fan, South Beach, and Pensicola … Unless, Of Course, We’re Alienating You, In Which Case Send Us An E-mail, And We’ll Include Your City On The Next Homestand Programs”

  • Stuby | September 18, 2007 at 1:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”144116″][quote comment=”144113″]Why is Michigan wearing adidas when Nike sponsors their jerseys?[/quote]

    ?
    Explain what you mean here[/quote]
    I think the Michigan Adidas sponsorship starts next year or the year after. This year, they are still Nike.

  • GoTerriers | September 18, 2007 at 2:01 pm |

    From the some-times amusing, often preachy TMQ, via ESPN.com . .

    “Briscoe High to Wear White on Road: Two other NFHS (National Federation of State High School Associations) notes. First, starting in 2012, high school uniform looks will be standardized — the home team will be required to wear a colored jersey and the visiting team required to wear whites. Alternative uniforms have reached down even to the high school ranks, and they have been causing confusion.”

    Glad to see the NFHS “Gets it(TM)”

  • Teebz | September 18, 2007 at 2:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”144088″][quote comment=”144082″]
    Black is worn out. The Raiders are acceptable with the silver and black. The Saints can pass too. Everyone else needs to move away from black… sooner than later.[/quote]

    What about the White Sox? They’ve had the same black uniforms for 16 years now (a very long time in White Sox uniform terms), and it’s hard to imagine them changing (nor should they).[/quote]

    The last paragraph of my comment reads “Historically, if a team has a black jersey, it can stay, in my opinion. If it does not, it should be banned”.

    The White Sox, in this case, get a pass, as do the Boston Bruins and Pittsburgh Penguins.

  • Jerico | September 18, 2007 at 2:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”144116″][quote comment=”144113″]Why is Michigan wearing adidas when Nike sponsors their jerseys?[/quote]

    ?
    Explain what you mean here[/quote]

    Michigan goes to Adidas next school year, I believe.

  • Chad G | September 18, 2007 at 2:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”144123″][quote comment=”144116″][quote comment=”144113″]Why is Michigan wearing adidas when Nike sponsors their jerseys?[/quote]

    ?
    Explain what you mean here[/quote]
    I think the Michigan Adidas sponsorship starts next year or the year after. This year, they are still Nike.[/quote]

    The Michigan Adidas contract starts next year, but I asked him to explain what he meant by that statement becuase he says they are “wearing” adidas, as in present tense.

  • Dan | September 18, 2007 at 2:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”143983″]I was really disturbed by the Redskins unis last night. The three different shades of burgundy they had on looked like crap. I don’t remember them being that bad in the past. Is it that hard to have your helmet, socks and jersey all be the same color. I guess that’s why they wear the whites so much.[/quote]

    The helmet, jerseys and socks weren’t as different as they looked on tv last night. If you look at the pictures from the photographers at field level, you’ll see that it’s all much closer in shade.

    http://www.washingto...

    I think that the tv cameras and the blue/white light from the stadium lights caused the jersey to reflect more toward the purple end of burgundy than the red.

    I’ve noticed in the past that the Ravens purple jerseys turn almost blue when they play under the lights.

    But it doesn’t seem to pick up as badly in the still photos as it does in video.

    As far as the Skins name…I’ve grown up a Skins fan. I used to be much more closed-minded about the team name. (I mean honestly, when was the last time you heard someone who wasn’t a potato called a “Red-skin?”) But if people are HONESTLY offended by it…(and I don’t mean just trying to get their 15 minutes of fame by taking advantage of the fact that their great grandmother was 1/4 cherokee to latch on to a lawsuit)…if a significant group of people to whom that heritage is still very much part of their life is offended by it, then I think you change it…or find a way to work with the offended group to find a middle ground. (Though I hate the Seminoles, I think it’s awesome the way they’ve engaged the Seminole tribe in their use of the term.)

  • Michael Lewis | September 18, 2007 at 2:24 pm |

    Along with the Rams, as I said earlier, the Steelers used to have mismatched 2’s when it came to serifs when they still wore the “block” numerals.Bradshaw and Franco back in the 70’s. Here’s one in the road white with John Stallworth

    But this continued into the 90’s with Rod Woodson.

  • John Zajac | September 18, 2007 at 2:29 pm |

    From a Yankees fan watching the series this weekend, Lugo’s pine tar stain on his front shoulder while batting is from him lifting the sleeve of that arm with the hand that is covered from pine tar from his bat. It’s just from his fingers.

  • Chris Sk | September 18, 2007 at 2:32 pm |

    A bit of uni news from Gregg Easterbrook on espn.com. (This note is for schools governed by the National Federation of State High School Associations):
    First, starting in 2012, high school uniform looks will be standardized — the home team will be required to wear a colored jersey and the visiting team required to wear whites. Alternative uniforms have reached down even to the high school ranks, and they have been causing confusion.

  • Wally1912 | September 18, 2007 at 2:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”144106″][quote comment=”144020″]Speaking of placement of captain C’s and assistant A’s, I thought the Canucks could have come up with a unique way of denoting these positions and help avoid the clutter.[/quote]

    Alternates, not assistants.[/quote]
    I have heard both terms used interchangeably. The Bruins refer to Patrice Bergeron and Glen Murray as Assistant Captains.

  • Chance | September 18, 2007 at 2:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”144129″][quote comment=”143983″]I was really disturbed by the Redskins unis last night. The three different shades of burgundy they had on looked like crap. I don’t remember them being that bad in the past. Is it that hard to have your helmet, socks and jersey all be the same color. I guess that’s why they wear the whites so much.[/quote]

    The helmet, jerseys and socks weren’t as different as they looked on tv last night. If you look at the pictures from the photographers at field level, you’ll see that it’s all much closer in shade.

    http://www.washingto...

    I think that the tv cameras and the blue/white light from the stadium lights caused the jersey to reflect more toward the purple end of burgundy than the red.

    I’ve noticed in the past that the Ravens purple jerseys turn almost blue when they play under the lights.

    But it doesn’t seem to pick up as badly in the still photos as it does in video.[/quote]

    That’s the trouble – different materials will appear different colors in various conditions.

    If they match the colors in sunlight, then they won’t match under floodlights. Or on television.

  • possum | September 18, 2007 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”144136″][quote comment=”144106″][quote comment=”144020″]Speaking of placement of captain C’s and assistant A’s, I thought the Canucks could have come up with a unique way of denoting these positions and help avoid the clutter.[/quote]

    Alternates, not assistants.[/quote]
    I have heard both terms used interchangeably. The Bruins refer to Patrice Bergeron and Glen Murray as Assistant Captains.[/quote]
    Can’t believe the Bruins let that get on their website. I’ve always known it to be Alternate, not Assistant. Of course, Harry Sinden has also always done what the hell he wanted…

  • Michael Lewis | September 18, 2007 at 3:05 pm |

    Look at the Rams 2’s on the road whites here. I goofed the link earlier. And the blue here.

  • Kevin M | September 18, 2007 at 3:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”144140″][quote comment=”144136″][quote comment=”144106″][quote comment=”144020″]Speaking of placement of captain C’s and assistant A’s, I thought the Canucks could have come up with a unique way of denoting these positions and help avoid the clutter.[/quote]

    Alternates, not assistants.[/quote]
    I have heard both terms used interchangeably. The Bruins refer to Patrice Bergeron and Glen Murray as Assistant Captains.[/quote]
    Can’t believe the Bruins let that get on their website. I’ve always known it to be Alternate, not Assistant. Of course, Harry Sinden has also always done what the hell he wanted…[/quote]

    I agree, I’ve always cringed at “assistant” too. Likewise, I’ve always called the uniform a “sweater”, but with the new Rbk design I think jersey is more appropriate. I guess we’re losing a little of the tradition of the game in these small details.

  • Mike | September 18, 2007 at 3:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”144115″][quote comment=”144105″]These look amazingly sharp on ice (except for the numbers on front).[/quote]

    Teal is a horrible color for a sports uniform. Always hated the teal in SJ unis. Since when is a shark teal? They are more gray I feel. SJ Sharks would looke SO much better if they replaced the teal with gray. In my opinion anyways……….[/quote]
    A fully gray hockey uniform? I dont know how that would look. And I mean when did team colors have to reflect their mascot? Should the D-rays be totally black cause thats what a ray is? should the the chicago bears be brown (cause their mascot is a grizzly). Should the Lions be gold?

  • Walaitis | September 18, 2007 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”144132″]Along with the Rams, as I said earlier, the Steelers used to have mismatched 2’s when it came to serifs when they still wore the “block” numerals.Bradshaw and Franco back in the 70’s. Here’s one in the road white with John Stallworth

    But this continued into the 90’s with Rod Woodson.[/quote]

    I just noticed someting in the Bradshaw picture … the font used to display the number on the front of the helmet back then … is that the same font now used for the jerseys? (please don’t boil me in oil if it’s been discussed before … it’s still baseball season in my little brain until the Cubs are out of it – shouldn’t be long, he he, I know – and I pay more attention to MLB matters than NFL, NBA, and that other major sport … you know … MLS).

  • RefUni | September 18, 2007 at 3:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”144004″][quote comment=”143965″]I hope the NHL referees are going to continue to wear the orange stripe instead of the silver one. The orange one is far more noticeable (at least to my eye).[/quote]
    I 100% agree. As a goalie, you look for that orange arm in the air as your que to get you butt to the bench for an extra attacker. The silver will blend in and confuse some goalies as it won’t be clear if it’s an off-sides or penalty depending on the location of the play.[/quote]

    Unless you’re an NHL goalie, it won’t affect you. USA Hockey and Hockey Canada are staying with the colours they’ve used for years.

  • Joe Drennan | September 18, 2007 at 3:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”144143″][quote comment=”144115″][quote comment=”144105″]These look amazingly sharp on ice (except for the numbers on front).[/quote]

    Teal is a horrible color for a sports uniform. Always hated the teal in SJ unis. Since when is a shark teal? They are more gray I feel. SJ Sharks would looke SO much better if they replaced the teal with gray. In my opinion anyways……….[/quote]
    A fully gray hockey uniform? I dont know how that would look. And I mean when did team colors have to reflect their mascot? Should the D-rays be totally black cause thats what a ray is? should the the chicago bears be brown (cause their mascot is a grizzly). Should the Lions be gold?[/quote]
    I can’t find a picture, but I remember Ohio State wearing all grey unis once.

    On the topic of alternate vs. assistant captains. I’ve known it as both. I think the hockey purist who call jerseys sweaters refer to them as alternates. Both are right though.

  • Broker75 | September 18, 2007 at 3:25 pm |

    I really like these new jerseys, look great on the ice. I may stand alone in that belief, but I’m all right with that.

  • Dan | September 18, 2007 at 3:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”144143″][quote comment=”144115″][quote comment=”144105″]These look amazingly sharp on ice (except for the numbers on front).[/quote]

    Teal is a horrible color for a sports uniform. Always hated the teal in SJ unis. Since when is a shark teal? They are more gray I feel. SJ Sharks would looke SO much better if they replaced the teal with gray. In my opinion anyways……….[/quote]
    A fully gray hockey uniform? I dont know how that would look. And I mean when did team colors have to reflect their mascot? Should the D-rays be totally black cause thats what a ray is? should the the chicago bears be brown (cause their mascot is a grizzly). Should the Lions be gold?[/quote]

    I don’t know about gray…but a gun-metal gray, maybe a little darker than the pewter that the Buccaneers use…that would make for a sharp jersey color!

  • Mike | September 18, 2007 at 3:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”144148″][quote comment=”144143″][quote comment=”144115″][quote comment=”144105″]These look amazingly sharp on ice (except for the numbers on front).[/quote]

    Teal is a horrible color for a sports uniform. Always hated the teal in SJ unis. Since when is a shark teal? They are more gray I feel. SJ Sharks would looke SO much better if they replaced the teal with gray. In my opinion anyways……….[/quote]
    A fully gray hockey uniform? I dont know how that would look. And I mean when did team colors have to reflect their mascot? Should the D-rays be totally black cause thats what a ray is? should the the chicago bears be brown (cause their mascot is a grizzly). Should the Lions be gold?[/quote]
    I can’t find a picture, but I remember Ohio State wearing all grey unis once.

    On the topic of alternate vs. assistant captains. I’ve known it as both. I think the hockey purist who call jerseys sweaters refer to them as alternates. Both are right though.[/quote]
    Ohio State whears shiny silver unis

  • Teebz | September 18, 2007 at 3:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”144140″]
    Can’t believe the Bruins let that get on their website. I’ve always known it to be Alternate, not Assistant. Of course, Harry Sinden has also always done what the hell he wanted…[/quote]

    Sinden hasn’t been directly involved with the Bruins now for a few seasons. Jemermy Jacobs and Peter Chiarelli are the men in charge now.

  • Mike | September 18, 2007 at 3:32 pm |

    wears* i type too fast

  • Jonathan | September 18, 2007 at 3:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”144148″][quote comment=”144143″][quote comment=”144115″][quote comment=”144105″]These look amazingly sharp on ice (except for the numbers on front).[/quote]

    Teal is a horrible color for a sports uniform. Always hated the teal in SJ unis. Since when is a shark teal? They are more gray I feel. SJ Sharks would looke SO much better if they replaced the teal with gray. In my opinion anyways……….[/quote]
    A fully gray hockey uniform? I dont know how that would look. And I mean when did team colors have to reflect their mascot? Should the D-rays be totally black cause thats what a ray is? should the the chicago bears be brown (cause their mascot is a grizzly). Should the Lions be gold?[/quote]
    I can’t find a picture, but I remember Ohio State wearing all grey unis once.

    On the topic of alternate vs. assistant captains. I’ve known it as both. I think the hockey purist who call jerseys sweaters refer to them as alternates. Both are right though.[/quote]

    They’re pretty bad

    http://image01.deman...

    It looks even worse on the ice. Providence College also had a pretty nasty third jersey three years so, I think, with a P in the middle. It was more ‘silver’ if I remember correctly.

  • Tim D | September 18, 2007 at 3:40 pm |

    I have to admit…that overall?..I like most of the new uni’s for the NHL. What I do find amazing though is the teams who choose to fold up the bottom of the sweaters to hide the shirttail effect when they are photographing them! Pretty much saying that they don’t like the look wouldn’t you say? I just found that fact interesting.

  • Walaitis | September 18, 2007 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”144155″][quote comment=”144148″][quote comment=”144143″][quote comment=”144115″][quote comment=”144105″]These look amazingly sharp on ice (except for the numbers on front).[/quote]

    Teal is a horrible color for a sports uniform. Always hated the teal in SJ unis. Since when is a shark teal? They are more gray I feel. SJ Sharks would looke SO much better if they replaced the teal with gray. In my opinion anyways……….[/quote]
    A fully gray hockey uniform? I dont know how that would look. And I mean when did team colors have to reflect their mascot? Should the D-rays be totally black cause thats what a ray is? should the the chicago bears be brown (cause their mascot is a grizzly). Should the Lions be gold?[/quote]
    I can’t find a picture, but I remember Ohio State wearing all grey unis once.

    On the topic of alternate vs. assistant captains. I’ve known it as both. I think the hockey purist who call jerseys sweaters refer to them as alternates. Both are right though.[/quote]

    They’re pretty bad

    http://image01.deman...

    It looks even worse on the ice. Providence College also had a pretty nasty third jersey three years so, I think, with a P in the middle. It was more ‘silver’ if I remember correctly.[/quote]

    Interesting to be a Nike jersey with what looks an aweful lot like the Rbk Edge NHL collars ….

  • Teebz | September 18, 2007 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”144152″][quote comment=”144140″]
    Can’t believe the Bruins let that get on their website. I’ve always known it to be Alternate, not Assistant. Of course, Harry Sinden has also always done what the hell he wanted…[/quote]

    Sinden hasn’t been directly involved with the Bruins now for a few seasons. Jemermy Jacobs and Peter Chiarelli are the men in charge now.[/quote]

    Make that Jeremy. My fingers sometimes type what they want. :o)

  • joe | September 18, 2007 at 3:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”144034″]With regards to the Sharks jersey, I agree with Paul that the horizontal stripe at the bottom of the jersey will not look good with the rounded bottom.

    While I like the classic look of the Blackhawks jersey. However, I hate the white bottom to the red home jersey. It makes it look like they have a huge diaper on. They should have just kept the red at the bottom.

    Sharks jersey’s are ok. Teal is not my favorite color.

    They are better than Islanders, Sabres et al but, despite Paul’s opinion (because someone made the accusation yesterday that no one would disagree with Paul…which was quickly proven wrong) The Sharks unis are not as good as the Blues. I won’t defend the Blues’ pants…those are goofy. But I like the sweaters.[/quote]

    I can’t describe how much I want to see some team, or big name player tell their equipment manager to cut off the rounded part and leave a flat bottom on the jersey.

  • Joe Drennan | September 18, 2007 at 3:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”144161″][quote comment=”144034″]With regards to the Sharks jersey, I agree with Paul that the horizontal stripe at the bottom of the jersey will not look good with the rounded bottom.

    While I like the classic look of the Blackhawks jersey. However, I hate the white bottom to the red home jersey. It makes it look like they have a huge diaper on. They should have just kept the red at the bottom.

    Sharks jersey’s are ok. Teal is not my favorite color.

    They are better than Islanders, Sabres et al but, despite Paul’s opinion (because someone made the accusation yesterday that no one would disagree with Paul…which was quickly proven wrong) The Sharks unis are not as good as the Blues. I won’t defend the Blues’ pants…those are goofy. But I like the sweaters.[/quote]

    I can’t describe how much I want to see some team, or big name player tell their equipment manager to cut off the rounded part and leave a flat bottom on the jersey.[/quote]
    I was just going to say, how long till somebody has the equipment guy simply sew up the diaper flap?

  • paydirt | September 18, 2007 at 3:46 pm |

    not uni related but: “African-American quarterbacks face more pressure and more criticism than their white counterparts, Philadelphia Eagles QB Donovan McNabb says in an interview”…
    Give it up McBarff, shall I press replay on the game last night for ya??? What was there not to criticise.??!

  • Chris | September 18, 2007 at 3:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”144136″][quote comment=”144106″][quote comment=”144020″]Speaking of placement of captain C’s and assistant A’s, I thought the Canucks could have come up with a unique way of denoting these positions and help avoid the clutter.[/quote]

    Alternates, not assistants.[/quote]
    I have heard both terms used interchangeably. The Bruins refer to Patrice Bergeron and Glen Murray as Assistant Captains.[/quote]

  • Chris | September 18, 2007 at 3:59 pm |

    Alternates, not assistants.[/quote]
    I have heard both terms used interchangeably. The Bruins refer to Patrice Bergeron and Glen Murray as Assistant Captains.[/quote][/quote]

    Would that be Ass Captains for short?

  • Marty Met | September 18, 2007 at 4:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”144148″][quote comment=”144143″][quote comment=”144115″][quote comment=”144105″]These look amazingly sharp on ice (except for the numbers on front).[/quote]

    Teal is a horrible color for a sports uniform. Always hated the teal in SJ unis. Since when is a shark teal? They are more gray I feel. SJ Sharks would looke SO much better if they replaced the teal with gray. In my opinion anyways……….[/quote]
    A fully gray hockey uniform? I dont know how that would look. And I mean when did team colors have to reflect their mascot? Should the D-rays be totally black cause thats what a ray is? should the the chicago bears be brown (cause their mascot is a grizzly). Should the Lions be gold?[/quote]
    I can’t find a picture, but I remember Ohio State wearing all grey unis once.

    On the topic of alternate vs. assistant captains. I’ve known it as both. I think the hockey purist who call jerseys sweaters refer to them as alternates. Both are right though.[/quote]

    UNH had grey sweaters last year. It was a very light grey maybe 15%

    and No both aren’t right. It’s sweater and alternate. Sure many, many people say jersey and assistant but that doesn’t make it correct. A lot of people say AIN’T but that doesn’t mean it’s proper.

  • Dave | September 18, 2007 at 4:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”143973″][quote comment=”143964″]I agree… I think the new Sharks sweaters are sweet, incorporating their new logo with their original look (striping below the crest and sleeve numbers. And I love the contrasting shoulders![/quote]

    One big problem though. The continued use by many teams of the front number. Pointless clutter. Plus I won’t be happy with any jersey until the rounded hemline is eliminated.[/quote]

    I must agree with you as well; get rid of the number on the front and the rounded hemline!!!

  • Banker Bill | September 18, 2007 at 4:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”143964″]I agree… I think the new Sharks sweaters are sweet, incorporating their new logo with their original look (striping below the crest and sleeve numbers. And I love the contrasting shoulders![/quote]

    I’m lovin’ the shoulder logo – with the shark tail curled under – amazing how something so subtle can make it look that much better!

  • Banker Bill | September 18, 2007 at 4:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”143966″]Paul, the Oilers are also guilty of the captaincy over a seam. You can see it here on the home jersey, and here on the road jersey.

    I’ve emailed Rbk Hockey for an explanation. If I get anything (which I doubt), I may have to refer it back to you since you’re the one with ESPN credentials. :o)[/quote]

    That looks like shit on a stick.

  • hofflalu | September 18, 2007 at 4:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”143963″]So I’m guessing the Rays didn’t go with the powder blue road unis. Man I was really hoping for that. Please tell me they ditched the vests…[/quote]

    I was thinking with the Rays’ wholesale uniform change that going powder blue on the road would be a great way to grab attention. Finally be distinct. I’m sorry, but the current uniform struck me as completely drab watching on TV. It was just, sort of, there. Maybe up close they look decent, but not from a distance.

    If done right, even with grey roads, this look should stand out some. Though this new color scheme does lend itself well to powder blue (well, the colors do — it’s to be seen how the actual design looks).

    BTW, does MLB even allow teams to wear powder blue road unis? I thought I read somewhere that they have yet to “authorize” powder blue road uniforms. Could that be why the Rays seem to be sticking with grey, and why the Royals haven’t announced a return of the powder blue?

  • Bat | September 18, 2007 at 4:38 pm |

    Colorado has altered their uniforms, I hope everyone is happy now..

  • Commisso | September 18, 2007 at 4:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”144180″]Colorado has altered their uniforms, I hope everyone is happy now..[/quote]
    haha yeah right.
    I don’t know if this is amirror image, but asst.coach Tremblay’s NHL shield is going in the down direction, and it’s clearly the new logo.

  • Andy | September 18, 2007 at 4:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”144170″]

    UNH had grey sweaters last year. It was a very light grey maybe 15%

    and No both aren’t right. It’s sweater and alternate. Sure many, many people say jersey and assistant but that doesn’t make it correct. A lot of people say AIN’T but that doesn’t mean it’s proper.[/quote]

    And what makes “sweater” correct?
    The NHL rulebook, as well as the IIHF rulebook, use both the terms “sweater” and “jersey”.
    I get the impression that many (not all) hockey fans use the term “sweater” just to prove to each other that they’re real hockey fans.

    Kind of like the people (who were born and raised in the US) that call soccer balls “footballs”.

  • Mike | September 18, 2007 at 4:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”144185″][quote comment=”144170″]

    UNH had grey sweaters last year. It was a very light grey maybe 15%

    and No both aren’t right. It’s sweater and alternate. Sure many, many people say jersey and assistant but that doesn’t make it correct. A lot of people say AIN’T but that doesn’t mean it’s proper.[/quote]

    And what makes “sweater” correct?
    The NHL rulebook, as well as the IIHF rulebook, use both the terms “sweater” and “jersey”.
    I get the impression that many (not all) hockey fans use the term “sweater” just to prove to each other that they’re real hockey fans.

    Kind of like the people (who were born and raised in the US) that call soccer balls “footballs”.[/quote]
    When hockey was first played (outdoors of course) they actually were sweaters (which im sure most of you know) and thats why they’re still called that. I see no problem in calling it a hockey jersey…cause well..they’re not sweaters anymore, its just a name.

  • Walaitis | September 18, 2007 at 4:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”144184″][quote comment=”144180″]Colorado has altered their uniforms, I hope everyone is happy now..[/quote]
    haha yeah right.
    I don’t know if this is amirror image, but asst.coach Tremblay’s NHL shield is going in the down direction, and it’s clearly the new logo.[/quote]

    But the Rbk logo is slanting the “right” way … interesting!

  • Rydell M. | September 18, 2007 at 5:00 pm |

    and No both aren’t right. It’s sweater and alternate. Sure many, many people say jersey and assistant but that doesn’t make it correct. A lot of people say AIN’T but that doesn’t mean it’s proper.
    I’m Canadian, in my late 20’s, have been around hockey, the NHL, international hockey tournaments all my life (what else is there to do up here lol) and we have always used jersey and assistant captain, not that we’re correct, but Canadians know hockey.

  • Pat | September 18, 2007 at 5:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”144132″]Along with the Rams, as I said earlier, the Steelers used to have mismatched 2’s when it came to serifs when they still wore the “block” numerals.Bradshaw and Franco back in the 70’s. Here’s one in the road white with John Stallworth

    But this continued into the 90’s with Rod Woodson.[/quote]

    I think their biggest problem is inconsistency in the helmet number font and the jersey number font.

    Looks wierd.

  • todd krevanchi | September 18, 2007 at 5:05 pm |

    im not an nhl fan. in fact ive been skipping over much of the nhl talk over the last weeks. i do recognize that of all the major sports leagues, the nhl does probably have a history steeped in traditions more so than any other.

    but id have to say that nhl players havent worn sweaters since, well, the last time they wore sweaters. i mean, havent they really been jerseys for decades?

  • GoTerriers | September 18, 2007 at 5:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”144193″]but id have to say that nhl players havent worn sweaters since, well, the last time they wore sweaters. i mean, havent they really been jerseys for decades?[/quote]

    People who insist on calling the piece of fabric that hockey players wear to cover their shoulder pads and undershirts a “sweater” are the same people that are having difficulty accepting the distinction between Division 1 Bowl Subdivision and Division 1 Championship Subdividsion

    : )

  • Teebz | September 18, 2007 at 5:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”144189″]and No both aren’t right. It’s sweater and alternate. Sure many, many people say jersey and assistant but that doesn’t make it correct. A lot of people say AIN’T but that doesn’t mean it’s proper.
    I’m Canadian, in my late 20’s, have been around hockey, the NHL, international hockey tournaments all my life (what else is there to do up here lol) and we have always used jersey and assistant captain, not that we’re correct, but Canadians know hockey.[/quote]

    This is hardly an argument. Especially when Russians are just as well-versed in hockey supremacy.

    The argument for and against need some clarification.

    Sweaters were the traditional hockey garment. They were made from wool, and were knitted as sweaters. That’s how they were made, and how they got their name. Old arenas that were ice-cold in the winter required men and women to be dressed in jackets and coats for the whole game. The sweaters provided that warmth for the players when they were on the ice, as well as being able to be cully-customized to their specifications.

    When teams changed the uniforms to the lighter and more durable polyester, they became jerseys. I doubt any of you own sweaters made of polyester, thus you’d probably opt for a wool sweater.

    As for captains and their alternate/assistants, you’re arguing over semantics. They mean exactly the same thing. The alternate/assistant captain does exactly what the captain does on the ice in terms of speaking to the referrees. He’s a fill-in. The alternate/assistant is the replacement for the captain when he’s not on the ice, and assists the team by filling in for the captain’s duties.

    Enough of these ridiculous arguments!

  • Kevin M | September 18, 2007 at 5:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”144189″]and No both aren’t right. It’s sweater and alternate. Sure many, many people say jersey and assistant but that doesn’t make it correct. A lot of people say AIN’T but that doesn’t mean it’s proper.
    I’m Canadian, in my late 20’s, have been around hockey, the NHL, international hockey tournaments all my life (what else is there to do up here lol) and we have always used jersey and assistant captain, not that we’re correct, but Canadians know hockey.[/quote]

    Perfect example, obviously someone wanting to preserve tradition (or prove himself a “real” hockey fan) calls them sweaters. I’m willing to accept that they are now “jerseys” since they are so technologically advanced now. What is it 5.8% faster due to the more tapered cut?

    As for the captain issue, I prefer alternate, mainly due to the fact that I think of the “A” taking the “C” ‘s place in case of injury, ejection, etc. Plus, that is what is in the rulebook.

  • Kevin Farrell | September 18, 2007 at 5:23 pm |

    I thought the picture of the two Florida high schools using the FSU and old UM logos was interesting. But I cringed at seeing the seminole done in orange and blue…colors of the dreaded Gators!

  • possum | September 18, 2007 at 5:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”144155″][quote comment=”144148″][quote comment=”144143″][quote comment=”144115″][quote comment=”144105″]These look amazingly sharp on ice (except for the numbers on front).[/quote]

    Teal is a horrible color for a sports uniform. Always hated the teal in SJ unis. Since when is a shark teal? They are more gray I feel. SJ Sharks would looke SO much better if they replaced the teal with gray. In my opinion anyways……….[/quote]
    A fully gray hockey uniform? I dont know how that would look. And I mean when did team colors have to reflect their mascot? Should the D-rays be totally black cause thats what a ray is? should the the chicago bears be brown (cause their mascot is a grizzly). Should the Lions be gold?[/quote]
    I can’t find a picture, but I remember Ohio State wearing all grey unis once.

    On the topic of alternate vs. assistant captains. I’ve known it as both. I think the hockey purist who call jerseys sweaters refer to them as alternates. Both are right though.[/quote]

    They’re pretty bad

    http://image01.deman...

    It looks even worse on the ice. Providence College also had a pretty nasty third jersey three years so, I think, with a P in the middle. It was more ‘silver’ if I remember correctly.[/quote]
    Here it is.

  • cathy | September 18, 2007 at 5:27 pm |

    I’m not Native American so I’ll leave whether the name Redskins is offensive to those who it affects. I am from the DC area and about 12 years ago I was asked to head up a charity raffle for work. We go donated prizes to raffle off and one of those prizes was a “Redskins package” which included a t-shirt, cap and two tickets to a game. When we showed the available prizes at an open showing for employees, one person, who was half Native American, was overheard saying, “God, I hope I don’t win THAT Redskins package…that would be awful”. Long story short (too late), after a lengthy meeting we pulled that prize because we wanted to be PC and not offend anyone.

    On the night of the gala, that same Native American employee asked me why the Redskins package wasn’t given out. I embarrassingly told her why we pulled it….turns out….she wasn’t offended by the name…she is just a COWBOYS fan….argh…

  • Pat T | September 18, 2007 at 5:28 pm |

    Aren’t the Devil Rays named after Tampa Bay, despite their St. Petersburg location, to incorporate the whole bay area? Under that assumption, I thought the “Bay Area Rays” would be a fine sounding name that covered all the needed bases. And done so without leading the team to sound like Tampa Bay Ray, a guy who hustles people at snooker in all night billiard halls.

  • Jason | September 18, 2007 at 5:41 pm |

    Not sure if anyone read TMQ on Page 2 or not, bnut this caught my eye…
    Two other NFHS notes. First, starting in 2012, high school uniform looks will be standardized — the home team will be required to wear a colored jersey and the visiting team required to wear whites. Alternative uniforms have reached down even to the high school ranks, and they have been causing confusion.

    High Schools standardizing uniform wear, i.e. no 4 different alternates…sounds good to me.

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | September 18, 2007 at 5:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”144199″][quote comment=”144155″][quote comment=”144148″][quote comment=”144143″][quote comment=”144115″][quote comment=”144105They’re pretty bad

    http://image01.deman...

    It looks even worse on the ice. Providence College also had a pretty nasty third jersey three years so, I think, with a P in the middle. It was more ‘silver’ if I remember correctly.[/quote]
    Here it is.[/quote]

    Oh, that’s cool! Kind of reminds me of the Stars old jerseys… :(

  • Dan | September 18, 2007 at 5:46 pm |

    I don’t remember this. When and why did Ohio State wear white pants? It’s against Northwestern and no more than four years old, because it’s Ted Ginn.

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | September 18, 2007 at 5:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”144206″][quote comment=”144199″][quote comment=”144155″][quote comment=”144148″][quote comment=”144143″][quote comment=”144115″][quote comment=”144105They’re pretty bad

    http://image01.deman...

    It looks even worse on the ice. Providence College also had a pretty nasty third jersey three years so, I think, with a P in the middle. It was more ‘silver’ if I remember correctly.[/quote]
    Here it is.[/quote]

    Oh, that’s cool! Kind of reminds me of the Stars old jerseys… :([/quote]

    [/quote]
    [/quote]
    The points and all…

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | September 18, 2007 at 5:47 pm |

    Trying to close the quote…

  • Ryan | September 18, 2007 at 6:02 pm |

    Do they honestly think that somebody won’t go to the games simply because they don’t have “Bay” in the team name?

    I might be wrong on this, but I seem to recall a lot of people wanting to call the team the “St. Petersburg Devil Rays.”

  • Jason | September 18, 2007 at 6:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”144208″]I don’t remember this. When and why did Ohio State wear white pants? It’s against Northwestern and no more than four years old, because it’s Ted Ginn.[/quote]

    They didn’t wear white. It’s the silver pants in bad lighting.

  • Nolan | September 18, 2007 at 6:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”144158″][quote comment=”144155″][quote comment=”144148″][quote comment=”144143″][quote comment=”144115″][quote comment=”144105″][/quote]
    [/quote]
    [/quote]
    I can’t find a picture, but I remember Ohio State wearing all grey unis once.
    [/quote]

    They’re pretty bad

    [/quote]

    Interesting to be a Nike jersey with what looks an aweful lot like the Rbk Edge NHL collars ….[/quote]

    That is actually not a Reebok collar, Nike did it first seen here (sorry you gotta scroll down to see the collar) with their international jersey (pre Nike Swift).

  • Chuck Ryals | September 18, 2007 at 6:49 pm |

    Is Tampa Bay also changing their name to the Florida Rays? That was the rumor a while back.

  • Brett S | September 18, 2007 at 6:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”144140″][quote comment=”144136″][quote comment=”144106″][quote comment=”144020″]Speaking of placement of captain C’s and assistant A’s, I thought the Canucks could have come up with a unique way of denoting these positions and help avoid the clutter.[/quote]

    Alternates, not assistants.[/quote]
    I have heard both terms used interchangeably. The Bruins refer to Patrice Bergeron and Glen Murray as Assistant Captains.[/quote]
    Can’t believe the Bruins let that get on their website. I’ve always known it to be Alternate, not Assistant. Of course, Harry Sinden has also always done what the hell he wanted…[/quote]

    If you look at the picture of Bergeron, it has a black bar on it that says “Alternate”. The same with Murray.

  • MLB2PDX | September 18, 2007 at 6:56 pm |

    I can’t believe that the Rays are changing their colors. At least keep the green! Now we’re back to only one MLB team using green. Sad. It’s such a great uniform color when used right.

  • Randy Miller | September 18, 2007 at 7:24 pm |

    Tampa Bay Rays will do fine. As an area resident, I have to tell you the pettiness of the Tampa-St. Pete almost defies belief.

    Until you live here long enough and you grow to accept it.

    I know St. Pete residents who whine, moan and kvetch every single time some sportscaster calls the D-Rays TAMPA and not TAMPA BAY.

  • todd krevanchi | September 18, 2007 at 7:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”144200″]I’m not Native American so I’ll leave whether the name Redskins is offensive to those who it affects. I am from the DC area and about 12 years ago I was asked to head up a charity raffle for work. We go donated prizes to raffle off and one of those prizes was a “Redskins package” which included a t-shirt, cap and two tickets to a game. When we showed the available prizes at an open showing for employees, one person, who was half Native American, was overheard saying, “God, I hope I don’t win THAT Redskins package…that would be awful”. Long story short (too late), after a lengthy meeting we pulled that prize because we wanted to be PC and not offend anyone.

    On the night of the gala, that same Native American employee asked me why the Redskins package wasn’t given out. I embarrassingly told her why we pulled it….turns out….she wasn’t offended by the name…she is just a COWBOYS fan….argh…[/quote]

    PC… jeez.
    at my old job, at christmas time, we were unable to end our business calls with “merry christmas”, or say “merry christmas” to customers.

    in addition we were unable to call our company party at the end of december, the “christmas party”. in fact it went as far in my last year there, the whole party being changed to the end of january.

    reason? not wanting to offend anyone who doesnt celebrate christmas. i mean it wasnt just the customers, it was my co-workers too! the terms “christmas party” and “merry christmas” were like curse words.

    but one thing i never understood was, with all the fuss about using the term “christmas” for partys or relaying joy, or whatever, not one person made a fuss or was offended when they had “christmas day” off.

  • Ron | September 18, 2007 at 7:33 pm |

    RE: Teal is a horrible color for a sports uniform. Always hated the teal in SJ unis. Since when is a shark teal? They are more gray I feel. SJ Sharks would looke SO much better if they replaced the teal with gray. In my opinion anyways……….

    The color teal is in reference to a shark’s habitat which is the Pacific Ocean. I believe, the offical color name is Pacific Teal.

  • Mike Engle | September 18, 2007 at 7:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”144109″][quote comment=”144091″][quote comment=”144052″][quote comment=”144040″]The Joe Namath Jets, at one point, had a varsity 2 on the green jerseys (white number set) and the more diagonal, for a lack of a better tern, 2 digit with the green numbers on the white jerseys.[/quote]

    Not positive, but I don’t think they ever had that home/road distinction at the same time. I think switched from “normal block” to “diagonal block” for BOTH jerseys somteimes in the late ’60s.[/quote]

    Found this site. Ctrl+F “Namath 1968,” and sure enough, same year, different color jersey, different corresponding 2 digit.[/quote]

    Getting closer. But I’m not basing anything on a throwback reproduction.[/quote]
    Mr. Lukas, LOOK HERE! A 1968 team picture. Notice #23, #82, and #28. Their 2 digits are “squared” and the rest are diagonal. Source site

  • Ben | September 18, 2007 at 8:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”144129″][quote comment=”143983″]I was really disturbed by the Redskins unis last night. The three different shades of burgundy they had on looked like crap. I don’t remember them being that bad in the past. Is it that hard to have your helmet, socks and jersey all be the same color. I guess that’s why they wear the whites so much.[/quote]

    The helmet, jerseys and socks weren’t as different as they looked on tv last night. If you look at the pictures from the photographers at field level, you’ll see that it’s all much closer in shade.

    http://www.washingto...

    I think that the tv cameras and the blue/white light from the stadium lights caused the jersey to reflect more toward the purple end of burgundy than the red.

    I’ve noticed in the past that the Ravens purple jerseys turn almost blue when they play under the lights.

    But it doesn’t seem to pick up as badly in the still photos as it does in video.

    As far as the Skins name…I’ve grown up a Skins fan. I used to be much more closed-minded about the team name. (I mean honestly, when was the last time you heard someone who wasn’t a potato called a “Red-skin?”) But if people are HONESTLY offended by it…(and I don’t mean just trying to get their 15 minutes of fame by taking advantage of the fact that their great grandmother was 1/4 cherokee to latch on to a lawsuit)…if a significant group of people to whom that heritage is still very much part of their life is offended by it, then I think you change it…or find a way to work with the offended group to find a middle ground. (Though I hate the Seminoles, I think it’s awesome the way they’ve engaged the Seminole tribe in their use of the term.)[/quote]
    I think the uni’s last night on the skins looked pretty good…get so use to seeing the white on burgundy that it’s a good change…but IMHO the skins should go back to the gold pants…that was a good look.

  • S Bennett | September 18, 2007 at 8:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”144209″][quote comment=”144206″][quote comment=”144199″][quote comment=”144155″][quote comment=”144148″][quote comment=”144143″][quote comment=”144115″][quote comment=”144105They’re pretty bad

    http://image01.deman...

    It looks even worse on the ice. Providence College also had a pretty nasty third jersey three years so, I think, with a P in the middle. It was more ‘silver’ if I remember correctly.[/quote]
    Here it is.[/quote]

    Oh, that’s cool! Kind of reminds me of the Stars old jerseys… :([/quote]

    [/quote]
    [/quote]
    The points and all…[/quote]

    Looks more like the Isles’ alternate template at work here.

  • JP | September 18, 2007 at 8:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”143967″]Regarding the Dayton throwback jerseys in the sports ticker. I actually know a little about this, being a UD alum and having run cross country there. The story goes that the official school colors were red and and light blue, called Marianist blue (the Marianist are the religious order who founded the school). Supposedly, the school switched to navy blue during the eighties because the basketball court looked funny on TV when decorated light blue.
    All of this came to my attention in 2003 when I was running cross country at UD. Our coach thought it would be a good idea to honor the school’s tradition by ordering Marianist blue jerseys. They were amazing looking. Unfortunately, the athletic department decided they were not officially school colors, and made us get new ones the following season. In fact, they were so against the light blue jerseys, they gave them to us at the end of the year, something they had never done before. So, it’s kind of ironic that they’re selling the throwback football jerseys for $150 on the website, but they were so against the throwback CC jerseys, they gave them away just to get rid of them.[/quote]

    Keep in mind that while UD itself looks hypocritical for that, it could be a completely different group of people over-seeing those two decisions.

    UD probably has an entirely new marketing department since 2003. College athletics departments turn over marketing staffs pretty frequently… especially a place like UD that would want to have young, entry-level people in that position.

    Plus the marketing department is in the Arena (along with the football equipment room) and the cross country administrators and CC equipment man in the Frericks Center, right?

  • Lutter | September 18, 2007 at 9:11 pm |

    Holy crap! Watching the Rockies/Dodgers game right now and Mark Redmond is wearing a black undershirt with HUGE gray arm-pit pannels that are very visible every time he raises his arms to throw. No screen grab but it look hideous.

    PS- Tulo for Rookie of the Year

  • BayView | September 18, 2007 at 9:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”144105″]These look amazingly sharp on ice (except for the numbers on front).[/quote]

    I’m digging the new Sharks jersey…interestingly enough the rounded shirttail isn’t all that noticeable in action….hmmmmm.

  • Chris Mewett | September 18, 2007 at 9:24 pm |

    On Pardon the Interruption today at about 5:50 ET, during an item on whether the Pats or The Field were favorites for the Super Bowl, the new (’08) NFL logo was used alongside the Patriots’. And this is the only place I know where people would care.

  • DCM | September 18, 2007 at 9:39 pm |

    When Georgia Tech played Notre Dame, RB Choice (#22) was the only Tech player wearing that style 2…there was an offensive lineman wearing 62, and the 2 was squared off. Someone proove me right…Saturday GT should be back in the road whites against Virginia.

    Another Uni-Watch reader who’s a Tech and Braves fan, who loved last year’s throwbacks / white helmets!

    I thought the current Rays uni is under-rated as well.

  • odessasteps | September 18, 2007 at 9:40 pm |

    didn’t see this mentioned today. there’s now a reebok Edge uniform website.

  • Nate | September 18, 2007 at 9:42 pm |

    I don’t know if anyone else has noticed this, but the chicago bears navy pants seem to have orange and white stripes with the white jerseys, but red and white with the navy jerseys. just thought that was interesting

  • Darren Thorpe | September 18, 2007 at 9:44 pm |

    Concerning the different number fonts. The Philadelphia 76ers, during the Moses Malone area had different 2’s for home and away. Moses wore number 2. Also around that same time. Mo Cheeks had a different font for the “0” in his 10 than any other “0” on the team.

  • Stevo | September 18, 2007 at 9:58 pm |

    I don’t know if anyone else has noticed this, but the chicago bears navy pants seem to have orange and white stripes with the white jerseys, but red and white with the navy jerseys. just thought that was interesting.

    It could be your eyes playing tricks on you. Darker jerseys sometimes make any other colors seem darker than usual, especially when your mind is processing the outfit as a whole.

  • badly drawn boykins | September 18, 2007 at 10:03 pm |

    Guess no one’s picked up on the Mexican national team story, but that’s kinda huge, since national teams, especially one as successful as the Mexicans, change their primary team colors.

    Another implication is that when the US visits Azteca for World Cup qualifiers, they’d be forced to wear navy, which only adds to the already staggering home field advantage for El Tri.

  • Mark Max | September 18, 2007 at 10:09 pm |

    That Ted Ginn picture is from last year I believe. It looks like their new jersey (well new last year) in that pic.

  • Mike Engle | September 18, 2007 at 10:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”144283″]Guess no one’s picked up on the Mexican national team story, but that’s kinda huge, since national teams, especially one as successful as the Mexicans, change their primary team colors.

    Another implication is that when the US visits Azteca for World Cup qualifiers, they’d be forced to wear navy, which only adds to the already staggering home field advantage for El Tri.[/quote]
    To un-camouflage from the grass, right? I remember reading that somewhere. Funny how everybody assumed they were trying to be Real Madrid copycats…

  • Nate | September 18, 2007 at 10:20 pm |

    I don’t know if anyone else has noticed this, but the chicago bears navy pants seem to have orange and white stripes with the white jerseys, but red and white with the navy jerseys. just thought that was interesting.

    It could be your eyes playing tricks on you. Darker jerseys sometimes make any other colors seem darker than usual, especially when your mind is processing the outfit as a whole.
    Ah.

  • S Bennett | September 18, 2007 at 10:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”144163″]not uni related but: “African-American quarterbacks face more pressure and more criticism than their white counterparts, Philadelphia Eagles QB Donovan McNabb says in an interview”…
    Give it up McBarff, shall I press replay on the game last night for ya??? What was there not to criticise.??![/quote]

    Heh heh – the black quarterback on the other team wsa above criticism!

    SB

  • Nolan | September 18, 2007 at 10:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”144262″]Holy crap! Watching the Rockies/Dodgers game right now and Mark Redmond is wearing a black undershirt with HUGE gray arm-pit pannels that are very visible every time he raises his arms to throw. No screen grab but it look hideous.

    PS- Tulo for Rookie of the Year[/quote]
    Probably nothing new maybe something like this?

    Before any panic sets in just remember that baseball undershirts have a rich history of being one color on the sleeves and another on the body like this.

    They just don’t go well with vests.

  • Jerico | September 18, 2007 at 10:42 pm |
  • b. cheng | September 18, 2007 at 11:52 pm |

    First, I think this story: http://njmg.typepad....
    will be of much interest to everyone. Is it possible the new RBK Edge jerseys can injure players? Will the tearing be something we see a lot during the season?

    About the Sharks new jerseys, I think they’re sharp, though I really hate the addition of the orange stripe, its the new “it” color and teams keep finding a way to through it in as an accent color.

    On the customized replica RBK Edge jerseys, this is what you’re getting “single layer screen-printed twill personalized name and number heat pressed on the back.” Not sure if the authentics will be stitched and/or if the actual ones the players are wearing are the traditional stitched numbering. When I found out about the “heat pressed” numbers it definitely stopped me from considering laying down $170 for a customized replica.

    [quote comment=”144062″]
    If I had to guess, I’d say its a remnant from when the jerseys were originally designed to be tucked into the pants, though.[/quote]

    When I see all the new jerseys without horizontal stripes along the bottom (especially the horror that is Toronto’s), this is exactly my thought. I really hope this will be done away with by next year…

  • Dan | September 19, 2007 at 12:34 am |

    [quote comment=”144272″]When Georgia Tech played Notre Dame, RB Choice (#22) was the only Tech player wearing that style 2…there was an offensive lineman wearing 62, and the 2 was squared off. Someone proove me right…Saturday GT should be back in the road whites against Virginia.

    Another Uni-Watch reader who’s a Tech and Braves fan, who loved last year’s throwbacks / white helmets!

    I thought the current Rays uni is under-rated as well.[/quote]

    Here’s a squared off 2 from the game LINK

  • derek | September 19, 2007 at 1:20 am |

    Alabama has gone with black laces this year. I don’t like it. There have been too many Bama games with black shoes and white laces, nothing should change on those uniforms, ever.

  • John S. | September 19, 2007 at 5:52 am |

    In case anyone is interested, here’s a picture of Derek Lowe’s red Dodgers jersey. Has no white under the arms, wonder if it’s based off of an Angels BP jersey.

  • Paul | September 19, 2007 at 6:45 am |

    I think it’s pretty funny that the high school jersey with the FSU motif is in Gator colors. Playing to both sides?

  • sj32 | September 19, 2007 at 8:50 am |

    [quote comment=”144091″][quote comment=”144052″][quote comment=”144040″]The Joe Namath Jets, at one point, had a varsity 2 on the green jerseys (white number set) and the more diagonal, for a lack of a better tern, 2 digit with the green numbers on the white jerseys.[/quote]

    Not positive, but I don’t think they ever had that home/road distinction at the same time. I think switched from “normal block” to “diagonal block” for BOTH jerseys somteimes in the late ’60s.[/quote]
    Found this site. Ctrl+F “Namath 1968,” and sure enough, same year, different color jersey, different corresponding 2 digit.[/quote]

    That particular Mitchell and Ness version of the green 1968 Jets jersey is inaccurate. M&N has since put out another version in which the numbers match the white version. Pre-1968 Jets jerseys had numbers similar to what the Cowboys wore in the 1970s (and what they wear on their retros today). The Jets never wore plain Varsity numbers until the 1980’s when Sand Knit supplied some of their jerseys.

    If you are looking for historic mixed typography, check out a 1972 Dolphins jersey or a 1973 Eagles. Mercury Morris’ jersey in Super Bowl VII has 2’s with serifs on the front while they are sans serif on the sleeves and back. Roman Gabriel’s 73 Eagles jersey has a 5 on the front that is similar to those worn by the Packers, with the notch at the middle, while the sleeve and back numbers do not have the notch. I think the 1970 Raiders white jerseys with the silver numbers have the same the same discrepancies. If I get some time, I’ll try to get some vidcaps to illustrate.

  • JLT | January 18, 2008 at 5:06 pm |

    Isnt the Nike Total 90 a Rugby cleat (rugby has two 45 minute halves)