When Football Research is Really GUD

1976 Mainichi Star Bowl hed

By Phil Hecken

Happy Mother’s Day to all.

I had originally planned on just having an open thread for today, but as fate would have it, I was approached by various members of the Gridiron Uniform Database (GUD) during the past week — the main GUD guys are Timmy Brulia, Bill Schaefer, and Rob Holecko, and they’ve done incredible research on compiling the most comprehensive list of football uniforms worn throughout the history of the NFL (and other leagues). Their collective thirst for knowledge is insatiable. I was first contacted by Bill, who had uncovered a bit of “lost” NFL history, and that’s going to be our first segment today; subsequent to that, Bill, Tim & Rob (and others) had thought they uncovered a major bit of lost history, but in the end, it turned out just to be pretty interesting. That will make up the second segment. Bill will be talking about a research project for the first ever NFL game played outside on North America.

So before you call/visit/text/Skype mom later today, sit back and enjoy this bit of unearthed gridiron good…er GUDness:

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The 1976 Mainichi Star Bowl
By Bill Schaefer

One of our GUD viewers sent us a link to an NFL Network show about the “Top 10 Quarterbacks of the 1970s.”

During the clips for the Cardinals’ Jim Hart, a portion showed Hart wearing an unusual patch on his right shoulder. Soon after the link to the Youtube video was posted in our Forum on GUD, another one of our viewers enlightened us that this was from a preseason game in 1976 in Japan.

I did some digging. This was the Mainichi Star Bowl between San Diego and St. Louis on August 16, 1976.

A newspaper article was not helpful in determining the nature of the patch. It was helpful, however, in showing that St. Louis also wore a patch on its left shoulder – clearly the typical Bicentennial patch worn by Cincinnati and Washington in the 1975 Hall of Fame Game as well as by Dallas and Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl at the conclusion of that same season in January, 1976.

I went ahead and tried to create a rough, digital version based on what I could make out from the newspaper photo and the TV grab. When I first looked at it, I was thinking it resembled a wooden-handled hammer on the orangish-yellow background. But the more I stare at it, and took into consideration the locale of the game, the image began to look like a crane or an ibis. Some kind of white/grey bird with a curved orange beak and brownish legs. Shrunk down to the required size to add to our images, I think it works pretty well, but I’d still like to get more specifics on it. I’m also including a peek at what the updated version of the 1976 Cardinals image will look like soon.

I cannot discern any writing on the patch however I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some. Also, who’s to say that, even if there were to be writing, that it’d be in English? Considering the Bicentennial patch on the left shoulder, it seems extremely likely to me that the second patch in question either represents some nationalistic Japanese logo or a corporate logo for either the Mainichi Newspaper Company or the Sports Nippon News Company – the co-sponsors of the game.

Two questions still remain:
A) What, exactly, was the second patch?
B) Did San Diego wear either, or both, as well?

It doesn’t seem logical that St. Louis would wear 2 patches for the game and San Diego wouldn’t wear any especially when you consider that, when looking at the ticket for the game, San Diego seems to have been the primary draw among fans in Japan. Why wouldn’t they have worn the patches? I tend to lean towards the option that they did wear the patches but in a more typical location on the front of the jersey – left and right of the collar’s bottom.

With this being the first ever NFL game played outside of North America, I figured, incorrectly, that getting information on it would be easier than it has been.

Any help the UW community can throw us would be appreciated. Please send any new information directly to Rob, Tim, or myself using the Contact Us emails available on GUD.

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Thanks, Bill — readers? Can you help in any way?

Next is a collaborative article, which Rob has crafted into a short article for our edification, which gives a little insight into how those crazy GUD dudes get into their research:

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Did the Browns wear brown pants in the early ’60′s
By Rob Holecko

Finally today, a behind the scene look at some possible GUD research that turned out not to be.

Friday afternoon our Bill Schaefer was watching the NFL Network and they aired a show called Top 10 Most Versatile and there was a segment on the Philadelphia Eagles’ Chuck Bednarik. They show some old clips of him running through what appears to be the Cleveland Browns defense, however it seems they are wearing brown pants.

Browns dark pants #1

You can see the footage in question from 26:55 to 26:59 of the video here at YouTube.

According to previous GUD research, the Browns only wore white pants until they debuted their orange pants in 1975, and they only wore brown pants for a handful of games in 2008 and 2009. Bill thought it possibly could have been a preseason game, but the Eagles didn’t play the Browns in the preseason during Bednarik’s career, so we determined it must have been a regular season game.

After discussion amongst Bill and myself and with Larry Schmitt and Brad Sullivan, we determined that due to the TV sleeve numbers it had to be from either the 1960, ’61 or ’62 seasons, and by process of elimination we determined that if that picture did in fact show the Browns wearing brown pants it must have been from the September 30, 1962 game between the two teams at Franklin Field. This would have been a major discovery in the Sports Uniform world — could the Cleveland Browns actually have wore brown pants in a game in 1962!?

But why had this never come up before? A quick Google search showed that there was absolutely no mention of this anywhere — was this solely a one game occurance and the whole world simply forgot that it ever happened? No something fishy was afoot.

And then our lead historian Tim Brulia chimed in with the answer that rendered our whole discussion moot and proved why he truly is our lead historian:

“Guys…SLOW DOWN!!! This was a clip from the 1960 Championship Game between the Packers and Eagles. Jim Taylor is the man carrying the ball. For whatever reason, the Packers yellow is showing up as abnormally dark. Look at the packed crowd at Franklin Field. I think Forrest Gregg (76) is in the clip, too.”

Just like that we were again reminded how precarious it can be trying to infer colors from black and white photographs. If you look at a B&W picture and get it in your head that those grays are a particular color, it can be hard convincing yourself otherwise. If we look again at that screenshot, but closer, it sure does looks like it is the Cleveland Browns wearing brown pants — the sleeve stripes, the plain helmet. But it truly is just the logoless Green Bay Packers in a yellow that is showing up darker than it should be.

Browns dark pants #2

And thus the GUD’s quest for truth and ongoing research continues…

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And thank you Rob.

Well, dear readers, there you have it. A special research treat for your Mother’s Day. You have your homework assignment — you know what to do.

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IMG_2875A Banner Day at Shea Citi…

I’m pleased to present you a SECOND guest entry today, this one comes from our friend Shannon Shark, who runs the fantastic site, The Mets Police, a “fan advocacy blog for the followers of the New York Mets.” Shannon lives and dies with the exploits of the boys from Queens, much more so than Paul or I, so he’s always on top of their doings, and mostly mis-doings these days.

Yesterday was “Banner Day” at Shea, a practice the Mets had undertaken for decades (from 1963 until, I believe 1995 or 1996, when they just stopped doing it). Shannon was one of those who were instrumental in bringing back Banner Day for the Mets 50th Anniversary in 2012, and they continued the tradition by again holding it this year. I asked him, since he was at this game and taking lots of photos, if he’d do a review of the 2013 Banner Day for Uni Watch, and he happily obliged. So, without further ado, here’s @MetsPolice with his rundown:

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I showed up at Banner Day at 9:30 and was a little worried about the turnout given the forecast.

When you line up you are given a sticker. I was given a sticker that will make it very easy to start campaigning for Banner Day 2014 although from what I am hearing I don’t think Banner Day is on any kind of bubble, and is now back for the foreseeable future.

I promised everyone it wouldn’t rain (I stuck to my “it never rains on Banner Day” guns and got away with it until the middle of the 9th, which was quite good enough.) The Mets served us coffee and donuts.

The line itself is a great hang. Mr. Met came by. I had a length conversation with a Mets Executive. I took lots of pictures.

Once you’re on the field it’s really cool. It’s hard to put to words but it’s just fun. And then you stand before the judges.

Banner Day is all about fathers and sons. As I am writing you this my son is standing next to me wondering what we can do for next year and asking if I have any ideas. Mission accomplished: he had a great day!

I reminded him that I barely had an idea for this year, but we did pretty well with Smurphy. Smurphy was mine, but at the last second it dawned on me that a cute kid might do better with the judges than a fat guy, so we swapped banners. Turns out both Josh Lewin (radio) and Kevin Burkhardt (TV) mentioned us on the broadcasts.

Matt Harvey is getting lots of love, and it was nice to see my #imwith28 hashtag on someone else’s banner.

Whether you think Byrd is the word, or you just dressed as a chicken it was a great day. Maybe for Banner Day 2014 Keith Hernandez will have his number retired and his mustache unretired.

In the end, only 99 banners were part of the parade, down from around 300 last year. That’s disappointing, but I think this video will convince everyone it’s a great time and more folks should participate next year.

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Thanks Shannon — Aside from his blog, which is great, Shannon tweets on behalf of many of the Mets faithful, and even if you’re not a Mets fan, he’s a great follow. So follow him @MetsPolice.

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all sport uni tweaksUni Tweaks Concepts

We have another new set of tweaks, er…concepts today. After discussion with a number of readers, it’s probably more apropos to call most of the reader submissions “concepts” rather than tweaks. So that’s that.

So if you’ve concept for any sport, or just a tweak or wholesale revision, send them my way.

Please do try to keep your descriptions to ~50 words (give or take) per image — if you have three uniform concepts in one image, then obviously, you can go a little over, but no novels, OK? OK!. You guys have usually been good with keeping the descriptions pretty short, and I thank you for that.

Like the colorizations, I’m going to run these as inline pics — click on each one to enlarge.

And so, lets begin:

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We begin today with Coachie Ballgames, who decided he didn’t quite like the new Dolphins logo:

Miami Dolphins New Logo Dan Marino Smiles - Coachie Ballgames Miami Dolphins New Logo Don Shula Infinite - Coachie Ballgames

Hi Phil,

The new Miami logo is no fun. I made these two to keep the goofy spirit of the now-gone Dolphs logo alive.

Regards,

Coachie Ballgames

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Next up is Matt Cunningham, who decided he didn’t quite like the new Stan Musial patch:

STAN PATCH - Stan Cunningham

Phil,

I really like the Stan Musial memorial patch that the Cardinals are wearing this year. When you look at it though, you can not really make out his number 6 because his signature is covering much of the middle of the number.

I like the signature but I made it a bit smaller and then moved it lower on the number. Now you can see his famous 6 more clearly.

If I know the uni watchers, I bet I am not the only one who was bothered by this.

Matt Cunningham
Peoria, IL

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We close today with Scott Michael Nystrom who has an idea for what the Rams would look like if they were treated like an expansion franchise in St. Looie:

St. Louis Gunners - Scott Nystrom

Phil,

Consider the hypothetical that the Rams left their identity in LA when they moved, like the Sonics or Browns. This would require St. Louis to form its own, which I took from the 1934 franchise and this colorization on UW previously. I modernized it slightly with a helmet logo and pants stripes but kept the white/red look and white sleeves. I liked the result (more unique than football Cardinals and regional than Rams), but the color combination and triple-stripes from the 1934 look does make it feel like the classic Patriots—not that having someone wear white/red while NE sticks to navy/silver is wrong at all.

Scott Nystrom

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And that’s it for today. Back with more next time.

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Stirrup FridayStirrup Fridays…

Because we love the stirrup here at Uni Watch, this section is devoted to those of us who sport the beautiful hose on Fridays — a trend popularized many years ago by Robert P. Marshall, III. For many of us, it’s become a bit of an obsession, but a harmless one — a reflection of our times. Where we once had Friday ties, which has been replaced by Casual Friday — we now have Stirrup Fridays. It’s an endearingly simple concept — no matter where you work (or even if you don’t) — break out a fresh pair of rups to compliment (or clash with) your Friday attire.

Didn’t get to this yesterday, because, well, I was at the Mets game with Paul on Friday night — but — it gives me the chance to show off one of my own rare Stirrup Fridays entries, which is below.

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Red Sox - Anthony "DrGodHand"

Anthony:

Comrades Phil and Rob,

I’m sorry I’m getting it in this late, but I decided to take the revolution on the road. My friends and I left California for New York, and while there, I decided to tweak the Yankees crowd by supporting the visiting Red Sox. My bravery is unquestionable in the face of promoting the revolution on enemy territory.

Anthony

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Giants - Gary Alexander

Gary Alexander:

Hi Phil,

It’s a few days late. But I will be wearing them again, this week.

My first purchase from Comrade Marshall arrived. Giants throwbacks. Looks great with my Friday orange Pedro Sandoval jersey.

btw, I love working for myself. You don’t have to explain things.

Gary Alexander

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The Man Stirrupred

Michael Clary:

Phil:

Here’s a couple ebay auctions for Stirrup Nation:

1959 Stan Musial Game Worn Stirrup (singular)

and

Vintage Red Stirrups.

-Clarybird

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James Poisso - Mom's Day Rup

James Poisso:

Phil,

Stirrup Friday – Mother’s Day Edition (with thanks to Commrade Robert).

James Poisso

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Soukie Outhavong-Bicycle rup

Soukie Outhavong:

Comrades,

Finally, a nice day to go cruisin’ with the little guy.

Soukie

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Glenn Simpkins - WTF?

Glenn Simpkins:

Phil,

Stirrup Friday…

Or as close to it as I can get, since I am without means to purchase them from Comrade Marshall.

Glenn Simpkins

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cmlstirrups - Nathan Stewartcmldadsam - Nathan Stewart

Nathan Stewart:

Phil,

A pic of my stirrups and me getting ready to do PA duties on the final day of the Charleston Miracle League, as well as, a pic of my daughter and me on the same day! I’m wearing the ’55 Orioles to go with my ’76 jersey and cap.

Nate Stewart

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Phil Hecken:

Comrades,

Broke out the never issued Mets-prototype stirrups for Friday night’s Mets/Bucs game.

The rups were the best looking thing out there, unless of course, you are a Pirate fan. The Mets played ugly.

PH

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And that ends today’s look at Stirrup Friday — all of you who participate, send me your pics and a brief (~50 words) description of their relevance, and I’ll run ‘em here on Saturday (and sometimes Sunday too!). Be sure to visit Robert’s House of Hose for news on rups.

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Parting Thoughts…

• First and foremost, congratulations go out to one of our colorizer extraordinaires, George Chilvers, whose lifelong devotion to the Wigan Football club was finally rewarded after decades of futility, as that club pretty much pulled off the upset of the century yesterday. Good for you, George. Now you can die in peace!

• Next comes this pretty amazing photo from Douggie Keklak, who simply writes, “So much Johnstown goodness in this pic!!!!” I’m not so sure that’s a good thing, but that is a great old photo.

• And, finally, today is, of course, Mother’s Day. Which means it’s baseball’s turn to break out the pink accessories. Not a fan of that, of course, even if in theory (and possibly practice) it’s for a good cause. But whatever. Of course, no good cause should be without controversy. Which is why, according to ‘Yahoo Expert’ Jeff Passan, “the use of pink bats on Mother’s Day, has turned into another ugly example of corporate greed.”.

• In another new twist, apparently MLB will also be breaking out pink-stitched baseballs today. I’m not sure if they will be used ceremonially, or if they’ll be a part of the action for every pitch. I can’t imagine those will be as easy to pick up as a standard baseball (batters need to ‘see’ the rotation on the ball to determine what type of pitch is coming — or at least that is the theory). Be interesting to see if batters fare poorly today. Put me down as “not a fan” of this either. Good cause or not, I don’t know how safe it will be to have one of those balls headed for your eye socket at 95 mph. Lets hope we don’t find out.

And that’s going to do it for today, folks. Everyone have a wonderful day, a great Mother’s Day, and a fine week. I’ll catch you next weekend.

Follow me on Twitter @PhilHecken

Peace.

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One For The Road

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“Wigan was much the deserving team. City, as is so often the case in key matches, played like five were hung over, five had food poisoning, and one was just served with divorce papers. I’ve trained our youngest son to be a devoted City fan. When the time comes, I will not blame him if he puts me in a dangerously substandard retirement home.”
–Cort McMurray

 

41 comments to When Football Research is Really GUD

  • BurghFan | May 12, 2013 at 7:31 am |

    Just to the left of this story is one about the expansion Buccaneers dealing with complaints that orange numbers on white jerseys were unreadable.

    • The Jeff | May 12, 2013 at 7:54 am |

      So, why exactly was it such a huge freaking problem for Tampa Bay, who of course ended up switching to red numbers the next year, but the University of Tennessee is still using orange numbers to this day?

      • BurghFan | May 12, 2013 at 8:09 am |

        Different fabrics? Different oranges? Different stadiums? Different expectations from their fans?

        I’m impressed that, like the ’84 Browns, the team considered unreadable numbers a problem worth solving. It may have helped that they weren’t looking to sell a warehouse full of replica jerseys back then.

        • Terry Proctor | May 12, 2013 at 11:00 am |

          Ironically we were visiting the Russell Athletic factory in Alexander City, AL in 1976 as the Tampa Bay Bucs uniforms were being made. The White jerseys that the Bucs were using that first season were made out of 100% Nylon Tricot Pro-Brite mesh. White Tricot Pro-Brite mesh has a natural sheen to it making it “glow,” especially at night under lights. The light-colored numbers used by the Bucs would therefore have been very difficult to see.

        • The Jeff | May 12, 2013 at 11:06 am |

          Fascinating. I’ve only seen still photos of those jerseys, where the orange doesn’t look that hard to see. I guess if it was reflective it could be an issue. Still, it’s a shame that their solution was to go to red instead of using a less shiny orange and maybe making the outline thicker.

    • Johnny | May 12, 2013 at 11:22 am |

      Two funny money things in the article: the guy spent $70 to go to the game (four tickets, pizza and beer, two pennants and six Cokes) and the franchise cost $16 million.

      One thing that bugs me about some of the Uni Tweaks/Concepts are the legibility of numbers. Sure, they are fake teams and it’s all for fun, but you still have to think about the fans in the bleachers. All of the concepts I’ve ever done keeps the high contrast between jersey color and number color, and a thick, legible font.

      By the way, those Arizona Wildcats football jerseys are going to be horrendous on gameday.

      • Phil Hecken | May 12, 2013 at 11:38 am |

        “those Arizona Wildcats football jerseys are going to be horrendous on gameday”

        ~~~

        They’re already horrendous. About the only jersey on which they’ll even by slightly legible is the white one…

  • The Jeff | May 12, 2013 at 7:57 am |

    There’s a small blurb about the results of the Star Bowl here:
    http://news.google.c... , but not enough information to help the GUD.

    I think the best part of the page is the “Browns murder Vikes” headline. You don’t see that anymore.

    • Phil Hecken | May 12, 2013 at 11:41 am |

      “the best part of the page is the “Browns murder Vikes” headline. You don’t see that anymore.”

      ~~~

      I know, right? I mean the last time the Browns even won a game against the Vikes was like 1989

    • Kenny Ocker | May 13, 2013 at 1:19 am |

      You don’t see UPI every day anymore either, but the guy who sits behind me at work certainly has some stories about working for them.

  • Matt D (the other one) | May 12, 2013 at 9:38 am |

    http://blog.syracuse...

    Was at this game. The Chiefs wore the “patriotic” uniforms pictured while the Tides wore orange tops. It was visually, umm, busy.

    The Chiefs’ first base coach wore a blue Washington batting helmet while the third base coach wore red.

    The Chiefs also couldn’t decide between red undersleeves and blue undersleeves. Really just a mess.

    • Arr Scott | May 12, 2013 at 3:05 pm |

      Two teams with decent uniforms ruined by thoughtless tinkering to ape the styles of their parent clubs. The Chiefs’ patriotic unis were probably an upgrade over whatever they would otherwise have worn, though, so probably about as good as a game between those two teams is going to look in Syracuse.

      • Matt D (the other one) | May 12, 2013 at 7:08 pm |

        I had the same thought about it being no worse than what they would usually wear. Both of these clubs have so many combinations – including some that mirror the big league clubs and some that do not. Just bizarre.

  • Matthew Toy | May 12, 2013 at 9:44 am |

    I could tell by the number font on the jerseys that it was Green Bay. Cleveland never wore that. Why the yellow is so dark, though, I have no clue.

  • Coleman | May 12, 2013 at 10:20 am |

    See, Cort? C. o. t. D.

    ;)

    • Cort | May 12, 2013 at 3:58 pm |

      Yeah, I get it.

      At first, I thought CotD was some comedian, and I was being accused of plagiarism. Then I thought I was being banned.

      Like I said, I’m really pretty stupid. Stupid, and slightly paranoid. The paranoia comes from a childhood in Buffalo ( city motto: “Everybody hates us. Rush rules!!!”). The stupid is self-generated.

    • Phil Hecken | May 12, 2013 at 8:00 pm |

      “Everybody hates us. Rush rules!!!”

      ~~~

      Neil, Geddy & Alex…or Limbaugh?

  • Brendan the Aspie | May 12, 2013 at 11:51 am |

    Arena League did their Mother’s Day/breast cancer/pandering thing last night. (Oh, and there was a jersey typo, but I didn’t get a screengrab.)

    • Bromotrifluoromethane | May 12, 2013 at 7:06 pm |

      We were at the Power game last night and I didn’t notice any of that there. Thankfully.

  • Phil Hecken | May 12, 2013 at 11:56 am |

    Well…since they don’t celebrate BC awareness in October…

    MLB Mother's Day 2013

    More uni noise

    • The Jeff | May 12, 2013 at 12:08 pm |

      Well at least they use the same color for both. It could be worse… we could have teams wearing lavender shit for Mothers Day in addition to the pink shit for breast cancer.

    • Wheels | May 12, 2013 at 1:15 pm |

      Pink stitching on the ball? Who comes up with this shit?

  • ThePonchat | May 12, 2013 at 11:59 am |

    Phil:

    Technically, Wigan is “Wigan Athletic Football Club” instead of “Wigan Football club.”

    George:

    Congrats!

  • Andrew Seagraves | May 12, 2013 at 12:14 pm |

    Nice Hosery Alert: Idaho 4A District 5/6 championship: Bonneville Bees (in Camo and White) with their Forest Green socks and the Pocatello Indians (in Red and White) with some smashing Blue, White, and Red Stirrups!

    • Andrew Seagraves | May 12, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
    • Andrew Seagraves | May 12, 2013 at 12:25 pm |

      Here’s the image: http://www.idahostat...

      • Clarybird | May 12, 2013 at 12:47 pm |

        Pictured is Jaxon Bird of the Bonneville Bees!

    • The Jeff | May 12, 2013 at 12:59 pm |

      What the hell is the other team wearing? That jersey looks like something my cat would throw up after eating a box of crayons.

      I do like that both teams are wearing white pants with their colored jerseys, and I wish MLB would allow that…. but… damn does that Bees jersey look horrid.

  • Phil Hecken | May 12, 2013 at 1:03 pm |

    WVU baseball camo.

    Yes, it’s as bad as you imagined.

    • The Jeff | May 12, 2013 at 1:09 pm |

      Is it really “camo” when the colors are so bright? The only place that jersey actually works as camouflage is in a swimming pool with 20 pounds of shredded cheese floating on top of it.

      • Arr Scott | May 12, 2013 at 3:16 pm |

        Thank you! And no, that’s not camo. That’s Zuba. I don’t care if the pattern is based on actual camo, the definition of the word camouflage requires that anything called that must be of some use in concealing the wearer from view in some environment. Since it has never occurred in human history that someone has filled a swimming pool with lime green jello and then scattered shredded Wonder Bread and melted nacho cheese on top, there is no conceivable environment in which that pattern would tend to conceal the wearer of the jersey. It is not, therefore, camo.

        It also does not, in any way, honor anyone who has ever served the United States in uniform. Bad as it is when non-serving men of military age play dress-up in make-believe soldier clothes to play a children’s game, you can at least sort of assume that somebody’s heart was in the right place, even if his head wasn’t. Not so with this. No patriotic, troop-supporting American with any taste could possibly think that this sort of uniform in any way honors America, our republic, or our soldiers and veterans. Not possible. Benedict Arnold is like, “Dude, show some real patriotism,” while Liberace is like, “Man, that’s loud.” The WVU jersey is probably what “patriotism” looks like inside Donald Trump’s head.

    • Phil Hecken | May 12, 2013 at 3:08 pm |

      Actually. It is even worse than imagined.

      I blame Coleman and Bernard for this somehow.

  • Anon | May 12, 2013 at 1:26 pm |

    Dan Warthen wearing the wrong hat esta tarde.

    http://d3j5vwomefv46...

  • Marc L | May 12, 2013 at 1:27 pm |

    Nice parting shot.

    As a City supporter since the days of Uwe and Kinky, this makes me glad that I hate children. Because if I did have a son and I inflicted City on him (as I would) he wouldn’t actually put me in a substandard retirement home. I suspect he’d go full Menendez on me long before that.

  • George Chilvers | May 12, 2013 at 2:45 pm |

    I’m just recovering :)

    Many thanks to all my friends on here who wished Latics well – and even to Cort :)

    Even if we go down (as seems more and more likely after today) people will still remember when little Wigan won the FA Cup.

  • Frank | May 12, 2013 at 3:30 pm |

    I believe the current Cardinals memorial patch for Stan the Man is fine as is…nit picky and obsessive change is irritating

    • Cort | May 12, 2013 at 4:29 pm |

      Friend, you’re in the wrong pasture. Picking nits is this place’s stock in trade, and Obsessive is its middle name.

    • Ross Clites | May 12, 2013 at 10:58 pm |

      I loved this minor detail adjustment. I live in St. Louis now and watch the Cardinals often; the Musial signature needs to slide down. It is so much better than the Earl Weaver patch in Baltimore, but it reads as a block “C” and not a 6 from far away. They would have been better served to do something like my Indians did for Bob Feller’s passing–a silhouette that truly spoke to his iconic play on the field (a la Jerry West being the NBA logo).

  • Cort | May 12, 2013 at 4:00 pm |

    Soon, we will see the day when a team busts out pink camo, to honor Our Moms in the Military.

    And that will be a bad day, indeed.

    • Odessasteps | May 12, 2013 at 6:53 pm |

      Friday was Military Spouse Appreciation Day after all.

  • Odessasteps | May 12, 2013 at 6:52 pm |

    Congratulations to Wigan and now hopefully we steal their manager to replace the one that SAF pipped for United.