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Lots of great stuff in the latest catalog auction from our friends at Grey Flannel Auctions. Here are some highlights:

This was Rudy York’s jersey when he was coaching for the Red Sox in 1961. Looks unremarkable, until you read the listing: “The top two buttons are in place, but all other buttons have been removed and replaced with a zipper. Also, an extra foot-long strap has been added to the back collar. This was done due to the coach having arthritis and not being able to button the jersey by himself.” Wow. Never heard of anything like that before (here’s the full listing).

• Here’s a rarity: the Orioles’ 1969 vest, which was worn just a few times that season. Interesting to see they used radially arched NOBs — I haven’t found photographic confirmation, but I’m pretty sure the sleeved home whites were vertically arched that season (full listing).

• Always fun to see an Earl Weaver jersey with the internal cigarette pocket (full listing).

• Oh baby, how sweet is this 1920 Senators sweater (full listing).

• And speaking of sweaters, look at this beauty, possibly a Boston Braves model (full listing).

• Not sure I’ve ever seen the Twins script used on this jacket. Love the team name and stars in the tail, although the “a” at the end looks a bit too much like an “o” (full listing).

• Underbrim update from Jon Lester, who apparently is quite a God-squadder (full listing).

• Speaking of underbrims, here’s something I’d never seen before: a Willie Stargell cap with his uni number inscribed in Roman numerals.

• Love this Negro Leagues jersey, especially the creepy sleeve patch (full listing).

• Here’s a gorgeous AFL official’s cap. Note the beautifully chain-stitched logo (full listing).

• I’ve always been so puzzled by this Sacramento Kings jersey style. Not just a drop-down NOB, but a nameplate instead of direct-sewn lettering, making it a doubly rare NBA style (which perhaps is why E. Lindsey Hall chose it for his membership card).

• I love everything about this 1930s industrial league jersey, from the chain-stitched numbers to the candy-striped side panels and the awesome tag. I might have to bid on this one (full listing).

Uni Watch News Ticker: Ekpe Udoh is wearing socks with the Baylor Bear on them (with thanks to Matt Weidner). … Travis Church notes that New Mexico State is wearing some nifty stirrups. … Ditto for Lake Erie College (with thanks to Jason A. Tirotta). … The recent Atalanta/Livorno match in Italy’s Serie A was delayed yesterday when an assistant referee’s flag broke (screen shot by Matt Algeo). … Oooh, someone on Flickr is collecting luggage patch designs (awesome find by Ryan Connelly). … Here’s one way to get around the Olympics’ trademark issue (with thanks to Chad Todd). … Illinois-Springfield is starting a baseball program next year and has already unveiled the team’s uniforms (with thanks to Dustin Hall). … Here’s a great close-up of that World’s Fair patch we were discussing the other day (with thanks to Ronnie Poore). … Dig this spectacular Cooperalls photo. “That would be the Providence College Friars,” says Karen Hibbitt, who found the photo in a box of old stuff at her parents’ house. … Here’s a kick in the head: I was in Duluth last week and didn’t even realize that the Duluth Huskies wear some seriously excellent hosiery (big thanks to Matt Benedict). … Here’s a beauty of a photo: the Babe and the Iron Horse wearing football uniforms. According to the caption: “Babe Ruth in a Notre Dame jersey and Lou Gehrig in USC jersey in promo shot for Irish/ Trojans game at Soldier Field in Chicago, 1927” (nice find by Warren Junium). … Here’s something we don’t need any more of: The Bosox and ’Stros went red-on-red the other day (with thanks to Justine DeCotis). … Bryce Harper usually goes pajama-pantsed, but he’s been known to Get It™ (as noted by Dan Cichalski). … Been dying to see your favorite NHL team’s name on a baseball jersey? here you go (with thanks to Kelli Greene). … Another name change for one of the Cape League teams (as reported by Richard Stover). … Interesting soccer-related note from Ryan McDevitt, who writes: “The new scourge of NFL uni watching — players on the same team wearing different uni templates that break up the uniformity of the uniforms — is coming to a soccer field near you, as three of the 16 MLS franchises are being given Adidas Techfit uniforms. But they’re not just adopting new kits; rather, each player will have the option of wearing the new Techfit kits or more traditional non-rubber-banded jerseys.” Further info here. … Coolest bowling-related comic ever? Could be, could be (great find by Lance Smith). … Julius Peppers is planning to reward Jarron Gilbert for giving up No. 90. … Jon Solomonson spotted this helmet trashcan at the Braves’ spring training facility. … As most of you know, Brooks Robinson has stated that he used the truncated brim on his helmet because his earflap obstructed his vision a bit. But if you look at this photo, you’ll see that he didn’t just modify his brim — the flap itself appears to be a aftermarket addition that’s been tucked inside the brim, not a premolded part of the original helmet. … Headwear developments in the offing on the soccer field (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). … Whoa, subtle chest patch! … Buncha soccer notes from Jeremy Richardson (1) You can see a misspelled NOB and a torn jersey starting at the 0:15 mark of this video clip. (2) British taxi drivers will be allowed to wear their home nations’ World Cup jerseys during the Cup tourney. And (3) Some corporate douchebaggery resulted in a Salvadorian goalie receiving a one-year suspension. … Yet another college team in stirrups, and this time the hose are being credited with the team’s success (with thanks to Roger Kirk). … Here’s a much larger, higher-res version of that great 1940 newspaper photo spread from yesterday (all credit to Chance Michaels). … Fairly comprehensive overview of Chinese Soccer League uniforms here (great work by Jeremy Brahm nope, fake-out, it’s by B. Cheng). … Tony Tengwall and his Golden Gopher-rooting buddies made these shirts to wear at the WCHA Final Five. “It’s too bad we didn’t have the cash up front to make about 500 of these shirts,” he says. “We could have paid for our entire trip. Even the Sioux Fans, who are normally angry toward Gopher fans, thought they were classic.” He also adds this: “After the Saturday afternoon game, I followed a guy out of the X and damn near tackled him because I wanted his sweater. Too bad I didn’t get a shot of the front, which had the word ‘Golf’ diagonally.” … Hey, Robert Marshall, see if you can get TCK to make stirrups like these (great find by our own Scott Turner).

 

88 comments to Auction Action

  • LI Phil | March 24, 2010 at 8:28 am |

    • Not sure I’ve ever seen the Twins script used on this jacket. Love the team name and stars in the tail, although the “a” at the end looks a bit too much like an “o”

    you’ve definitely posted pics of that on UW before — i seem to recall a B&W pic (can’t find it now), and jeff barak snapped this pic (from the ticker in this article) at a twinsfest two years ago

    it’s interesting because that script is kinda/sorta what they’re wearing this season

    EDIT: the script was also shown in the comments last november

  • Billy | March 24, 2010 at 8:40 am |

    B. Robinson’s ear flap looks molded to me. This picture that was posted on this very blog seems to confirm: http://farm1.static....

    You can see the back of the helmet curves down to the right, as it comes around to the ear flap.

  • LI Phil | March 24, 2010 at 8:56 am |

    BINGO

    dugout jacket

    in the comment thread from the link posted above

    credit ricko (for mentioning the script was on a dugout jacket) and jonathon binet (for finding the corbis pic)

  • Mark K | March 24, 2010 at 9:08 am |

    I thought the AFL officials wore white caps with the referee in orange. Did they switch to black at some point?

  • FormerDirtDart | March 24, 2010 at 9:21 am |

    OK, I can understand the whole marketing thing in selling NHL inspired Baseball jerseys. But, wouldn’t the Rangers want to use something resembling their word-mark http://shop.nhl.com/..., and while the downward angle might not work on a BB jersey, wouldn’t you want the same font? http://shop.nhl.com/...

  • ETgotoIndy | March 24, 2010 at 9:26 am |

    The 1940 football color photo may be the single greatest photo ever posted on uniwatch!!

  • Joe Hilseberg | March 24, 2010 at 9:28 am |

    [quote comment=”382712″]B. Robinson’s ear flap looks molded to me. This picture that was posted on this very blog seems to confirm: http://farm1.static....

    You can see the back of the helmet curves down to the right, as it comes around to the ear flap.[/quote]

    That’s my picture I think! It sure was attached…not after market.

    And so awesome to see the Curt Motten jersey…super nice guy. I twas his bat that Dave McNally used to hit the grand slam in 1970!

  • Martin | March 24, 2010 at 9:45 am |

    I have a question for some of the DIYers on the board.

    I bought an NFL replica jersey a few years back, and the plastic numbers/letters are starting to peel off. Any suggestions on how best to re-adhere the letters and numbers back to the jersey?

    Thanks!

  • chance michaels | March 24, 2010 at 9:49 am |

    So just as the NFL gets out of the “different templates on different players”, MLS adopts it?

  • Tom V | March 24, 2010 at 9:50 am |

    [quote comment=”382715″]OK, I can understand the whole marketing thing in selling NHL inspired Baseball jerseys. But, wouldn’t the Rangers want to use something resembling their word-mark http://shop.nhl.com/..., and while the downward angle might not work on a BB jersey, wouldn’t you want the same font? http://shop.nhl.com/...

    Yeah really. With the texas rangers wearing red white and blue I would almost think it was a weird TR jersey or something, until I saw the logo on the sleeve, then I’d be like, that is a pretty strange interpretation of their uniform/fail to make it into a baseball jersey. I think you have to be a little more sympathetic to the Rangers jersey there.

  • FormerDirtDart | March 24, 2010 at 9:56 am |

    [quote comment=”382719″]So just as the NFL gets out of the “different templates on different players”, MLS adopts it?[/quote]
    I don’t think the NFL has yet to “get out” of the multiple templates. I live in Jacksonville, and was subjected to around 10 games of them sporting various templates (thank you NFL blackout rules). Of course the Jaguars were going 100% new “stretchable” last year, and they may come to their senses this year.

  • FormerDirtDart | March 24, 2010 at 10:00 am |

    [quote comment=”382720″][quote comment=”382715″]OK, I can understand the whole marketing thing in selling NHL inspired Baseball jerseys. But, wouldn’t the Rangers want to use something resembling their word-mark http://shop.nhl.com/..., and while the downward angle might not work on a BB jersey, wouldn’t you want the same font? http://shop.nhl.com/...

    Yeah really. With the texas rangers wearing red white and blue I would almost think it was a weird TR jersey or something, until I saw the logo on the sleeve, then I’d be like, that is a pretty strange interpretation of their uniform/fail to make it into a baseball jersey. I think you have to be a little more sympathetic to the Rangers jersey there.[/quote]
    Right after I posted it dawned on me that the Rangers font would look a very much like the Texas Rangers word-mark, and that it was probably the reason for the inaccurate font

  • JTH | March 24, 2010 at 10:01 am |

    Now I know what inspired the original View Askew logo.

  • Ricko | March 24, 2010 at 10:06 am |

    [quote comment=”382712″]B. Robinson’s ear flap looks molded to me. This picture that was posted on this very blog seems to confirm: http://farm1.static....

    You can see the back of the helmet curves down to the right, as it comes around to the ear flap.[/quote]

    Was there some question it ever was anything BUT molded?

    —Ricko

  • Jeremy Brahm | March 24, 2010 at 10:06 am |

    Here is a picture of the El Salvadoran Goalkeeper

    http://www.zimbio.co...

    I could understand the gloves and shoes being different, but the socks, that is wrong.

  • Ricko | March 24, 2010 at 10:15 am |

    [quote comment=”382724″][quote comment=”382712″]B. Robinson’s ear flap looks molded to me. This picture that was posted on this very blog seems to confirm: http://farm1.static....

    You can see the back of the helmet curves down to the right, as it comes around to the ear flap.[/quote]

    Was there some question it ever was anything BUT molded?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Ah-ha. My bad. Missed it in The Ticker. Yeah, maybe that’s an early prototype in that photo cuz does have an “aftermarket” look. But, certainly the helmet Robinson wore for years and years was molded. Saw it too many times on TV and in too many photos not to have noticed if it were NOT molded. Different than anyone else’s, yes, but molded.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | March 24, 2010 at 10:15 am |

    From the article about the new soccer jerseys:
    “TECHFIT is proven to increase a player’s power by 5.3 percent*, vertical leap by 4 percent*, sprint speed by 1.1 percent* and enhance endurance by 0.8 percent*.”

    /and increase the amount of BS by 100 percent…

    Enough. I’m tired of how sports has become so mind-numbingly complicated. It’s a simple game – you put on a comfortable uni, you grab some standardized equipment, and you go out and play. That includes the professionals. Is anyone in the stands really going to notice, “Hey, these guys seem to be playing 6.2 percent better this year…must be those new uniforms.” Give me a break. Oh, and on top of that, the new unis look goofy. Sports is about competition, not technology. And as many of us have said, there’s no “advantage” when all the teams have the same stuff.

    Now the article about the soccer headgear is another story. If technology can be used to help protect a guy with a fractured skull so he can play, great. But for the other players, keep it simple and just play the game.

  • Broadway Connie | March 24, 2010 at 10:21 am |

    A disturbingly great day, Paul. Among the riches:

    ** Boston Braves sweater.
    ** Hotel luggage labels (beyond great).
    ** Bowling pin captives.
    ** Chase Michael’s find in hi-rez.
    ** And so much more.

    I’m spending a lot of dough on ink-jet cartridges.

  • LI Phil | March 24, 2010 at 10:30 am |

    [quote comment=”382727″]as many of us have said, there’s no “advantage” when all the teams have the same stuff.[/quote]

    so…every baseball player MUST use a mizuno glove? every football player MUST wear a schutt helmet? every college hoopster MUST wear the same make and model of nike shoe?

    i agree with you that this *new* technology that makes one .000002% faster is bullshit…

    but to argue everyone MUST have standardized equipment begs the question: to whose standards are you measuring?

    should everyone in golf be required to use the same exact clubs tiger uses? or phil? or rocco? or even bobby jones?

    uniformity in sports should encompass the UNIFORM, but the equipment, in most cases, needs to be personalized to some degree

    maybe in rec league whiffleball everyone uses the same plastic yellow bat, but in the pros, you can’t expect everyone to use the exact same stuff

  • JimV19 | March 24, 2010 at 10:30 am |

    Asked this last night, but now I’ll cast my net among a wider audience:
    I haven’t had any luck finding pictures of Bill Raftery playing basketball for La Salle in the early 60s. Does anyone know what number he wore?
    I found a photo of his teammate Paul Gallagher, http://grfx.cstv.com... but I’d like to DIY that jersey with Raftery’s number.

  • JimV19 | March 24, 2010 at 10:37 am |

    [quote comment=”382729″][quote comment=”382727″]as many of us have said, there’s no “advantage” when all the teams have the same stuff.[/quote]

    so…every baseball player MUST use a mizuno glove? every football player MUST wear a schutt helmet? every college hoopster MUST wear the same make and model of nike shoe?

    i agree with you that this *new* technology that makes one .000002% faster is bullshit…

    but to argue everyone MUST have standardized equipment begs the question: to whose standards are you measuring?

    should everyone in golf be required to use the same exact clubs tiger uses? or phil? or rocco? or even bobby jones?

    uniformity in sports should encompass the UNIFORM, but the equipment, in most cases, needs to be personalized to some degree

    maybe in rec league whiffleball everyone uses the same plastic yellow bat, but in the pros, you can’t expect everyone to use the exact same stuff[/quote]

    We went over this on Sunday, and neither time did I say it had to go to that extreme. Again…what I’m trying to say is – have a range of acceptable equipment, sized to fit, from various manufacturers, then leave it alone. Stop trying to mess around every year coming out with some new performance-enhancing stuff.

    The quote of mine that you used was referring to the new TECHFIT unis. What advantage is there to wearing them if every team has them? Capiche?

  • Beardface | March 24, 2010 at 10:45 am |

    Have we ever done a mashup contest for uni-design?

    Like, how would NHL or NFL teams look on baseball jerseys, or how would MLB look in basketball, etc…

    sounds like an interesting idea…

  • interlockingtc | March 24, 2010 at 10:46 am |

    [quote comment=”382713″]BINGO

    dugout jacket

    in the comment thread from the link posted above

    credit ricko (for mentioning the script was on a dugout jacket) and jonathon binet (for finding the corbis pic)[/quote]

    My brothers and I wore mini versions of that dugout jacket in the late ’60’s, early ’70’s!

  • Ricko | March 24, 2010 at 10:54 am |

    A bit of “stylin'” history here, using Chance’s incredible 1940 find.

    Before multi-colored shoes.
    Before logos on shoes.
    Before white tape on shoes,
    Before, even, white laces…

    One of the earliest ways to be a little flashy, maybe look and feel faster than you did in clunky black high tops, was to roll your white crew socks down over the tops of those big shoes.

    That created the look of medium or lowcuts…before they actually came along.
    (Also discredits any notion that teams did NOT issue white crews to every player. They were there, even if down inside the shoes).

    Anyway, check the rolled down socks on Perry Schwartz. Only player shown who appears to being wearing not-quite-so-high shoes. But it’s all in the stylin’ socks…
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | March 24, 2010 at 10:57 am |

    [quote comment=”382727″]you put on a comfortable uni, you grab some standardized equipment[/quote]

    and

    [quote comment=”382727″]as many of us have said, there’s no “advantage” when all the teams have the same stuff.[/quote]

    and

    [quote comment=”382731″]…what I’m trying to say is – have a range of acceptable equipment, sized to fit, from various manufacturers, then leave it alone.

    The quote of mine that you used was referring to the new TECHFIT unis. What advantage is there to wearing them if every team has them? Capiche?[/quote]

    oh, i capisce

    just don’t bring unis (with which you and i agree) and equipment (on which we disagree) into the same argument…

    maybe you use the same putter you get at the mini golf course on the real course, but please don’t argue that the pros should too…or the same glove, helmet, racket, skate, blocker, shoe, jock, etc…

    if you want to argue all bats must be made of maple and not filled with cork, or in the case of graig nettles, superballs, i’ll agree, but don’t say they all need to use a louisville slugger model 225LL

  • JTH | March 24, 2010 at 10:59 am |

    Are you trying to say “capisce?”

    Well, don’t do it. It hurts my ears.

    – Vinnie Antonelli

  • Ricko | March 24, 2010 at 11:03 am |

    Fpr those who don’t get that football has changed, that things haven’t always been the way they are now, I offer two quotes from the cutlines on Chance’s scan…

    “Isbell whipped 43 successful passes—eight for touchdowns—for a gain of 749 in 103 tries.”

    “(Parker Hall) set a record for completed passes—106 out of 208 tries…”

    —Ricko

    That’s, y’know, for a WHOLE SEASON.

  • JimV19 | March 24, 2010 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment=”382731″]Again…what I’m trying to say is – HAVE A RANGE OF ACCEPTABLE EQUIPMENT, SIZED TO FIT, FROM VARIOUS MANUFACTURERS, then leave it alone.[/quote]

    Did I say everyone needs to use a Louisville Slugger model 225LL? Never. Why do you keep suggesting that’s what I’m saying?

  • Bernard | March 24, 2010 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment=”382734″]A bit of “stylin'” history here, using Chance’s incredible 1940 find.

    Before multi-colored shoes.
    Before logos on shoes.
    Before white tape on shoes,
    Before, even, white laces…

    One of the earliest ways to be a little flashy, maybe look and feel faster than you did in clunky black high tops, was to roll your white crew socks down over the tops of those big shoes.

    That created the look of medium or lowcuts…before they actually came along.
    (Also discredits any notion that teams did NOT issue white crews to every player. They were there, even if down inside the shoes).

    Anyway, check the rolled down socks on Perry Schwartz. Only player shown who appears to being wearing not-quite-so-high shoes. But it’s all in the stylin’ socks…
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Man, that Schwartz… what a showboat. Rolled-down socks, white laces, AND what looks to be a teammate’s number written on the backs of his shoes. Might as well’ve been Perry Ocho Nueve.

  • Robert Eden | March 24, 2010 at 11:13 am |

    During my visit to Arizona for a few ballgames last week, I twice had to endure same color games. One was D-Backs and Angels going red v. red, while the other involved and Rangers and was blue v. blue. It was just terrible.

    Kudos to the Cubs for the being the only team that I saw which did not wear batting practice jerseys during the game.

  • Ry Co 40 | March 24, 2010 at 11:13 am |

    [quote comment=”382736″]Are you trying to say “capisce?”

    Well, don’t do it. It hurts my ears.

    – Vinnie Antonelli[/quote]

    “it’s a nice house, terry”

  • BurghFan | March 24, 2010 at 11:25 am |

    Is anyone in the stands really going to notice, “Hey, these guys seem to be playing 6.2 percent better this year…must be those new uniforms.”

    Not quantitatively, but if the equipment makes for a better (e.g. faster) game, it’s a good thing. Baseball would be worse if they still wore those pillow gloves of 75 years ago. There might be no competitive advantage if everybody wore them, but the fielding wouldn’t be as good.

  • Ricko | March 24, 2010 at 11:26 am |

    [quote comment=”382739″][quote comment=”382734″]A bit of “stylin'” history here, using Chance’s incredible 1940 find.

    Before multi-colored shoes.
    Before logos on shoes.
    Before white tape on shoes,
    Before, even, white laces…

    One of the earliest ways to be a little flashy, maybe look and feel faster than you did in clunky black high tops, was to roll your white crew socks down over the tops of those big shoes.

    That created the look of medium or lowcuts…before they actually came along.
    (Also discredits any notion that teams did NOT issue white crews to every player. They were there, even if down inside the shoes).

    Anyway, check the rolled down socks on Perry Schwartz. Only player shown who appears to being wearing not-quite-so-high shoes. But it’s all in the stylin’ socks…
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Man, that Schwartz… what a showboat. Rolled-down socks, white laces, AND what looks to be a teammate’s number written on the backs of his shoes. Might as well’ve been Perry Ocho Nueve.[/quote]

    I’m guessing the shoes are right and he was #99 (first number kinda looks like an 8, but that’s just his sleeve).
    Even more showboating…wearing the highest number possible.
    Sheesh.
    “Look at me! Look at me!”

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | March 24, 2010 at 11:47 am |

    Well, ol’ Perry may have been a hot dog, but was something of a weapon.

    In 1939, caught 33 passes for the Dodgers,
    followed by teammates with 9, 8 and 7.

    —Ricko

  • chance michaels | March 24, 2010 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”382744″]Well, ol’ Perry may have been a hot dog, but was something of a weapon.
    [/quote]

    Second only to the great Don Hutson of Green Bay.

  • pk | March 24, 2010 at 12:21 pm |

    I wonder what McNabb will look like in a Rams uni…HA!

  • timmy b | March 24, 2010 at 12:38 pm |

    to chance,

    I was the guilty party of furnishing you with the gold-gold Rams-Packers newspaper pics. They came from the LA Times.

  • Ricko | March 24, 2010 at 12:41 pm |

    What we have here, is a really NASTY trivia question…

    Q: “Name the pre-WWII Brooklyn Dodger star who, following the war, returned to play one final season with the New York Yankees.”

    A: Perry Schwartz, E, Brooklyn NFL, New York AAFC.

    Now, if in fact there IS a baseball counterpart, the question gets even nastier…

    “Name TWO pre-WWII…who BOTH returned…”

    (Insidious, ain’t I)

    —Ricko

  • timmy b | March 24, 2010 at 12:43 pm |

    If any of you come across some pics or foot(pun semi-intended)age of the 1940 NFL Title Game (Bears 73, Redskins O), please take note of the Bears leggings. Few – if any – of the Bears are wearing colored socks (only calf high whites) and many, including Luckman, McAfee and Osmanski are wearing true low cut cleats.

    I don’t think it was until 1944 or so that the NFL mandated players had to wear team colored socks in addition to the sannies.

  • scottz | March 24, 2010 at 12:48 pm |

    When I was a youngster living in Minnesota in the early ’70s, several of my friends had Twins jackts with this design. I’m not sure if it was the official version worn by the real Twins.

  • Ricko | March 24, 2010 at 12:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”382749″]If any of you come across some pics or foot(pun semi-intended)age of the 1940 NFL Title Game (Bears 73, Redskins O), please take note of the Bears leggings. Few – if any – of the Bears are wearing colored socks (only calf high whites) and many, including Luckman, McAfee and Osmanski are wearing true low cut cleats.

    I don’t think it was until 1944 or so that the NFL mandated players had to wear team colored socks in addition to the sannies.[/quote]

    Yup, photos from that game are among the oldest I remember seeing that show players wearing actual low cuts. Took a solid 15 years before they were the more common choice for players, though. And there were far more, it seemed, in the NFL who wore them than in college during that decade-and-a-half.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | March 24, 2010 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”382749″]I don’t think it was until 1944 or so that the NFL mandated players had to wear team colored socks in addition to the sannies.[/quote]

    the “al harris rule”?

    (of course, sometimes he goes to the other extreme)

    seriously tho…

    can his pants be any shorter?

  • chance michaels | March 24, 2010 at 1:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”382747″]to chance,

    I was the guilty party of furnishing you with the gold-gold Rams-Packers newspaper pics. They came from the LA Times.[/quote]
    Yay – thank you!

    Hat tip added – let me know if you’d rather be acknowledged under your real name.

  • Squiddie | March 24, 2010 at 1:17 pm |
  • Ricko | March 24, 2010 at 1:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”382753″][quote comment=”382747″]to chance,

    I was the guilty party of furnishing you with the gold-gold Rams-Packers newspaper pics. They came from the LA Times.[/quote]
    Yay – thank you!

    Hat tip added – let me know if you’d rather be acknowledged under your real name.[/quote]

    Coulda been worse.
    At least one team’s in Old Gold (GB) and the other’s in Athletic Gold (LA).

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | March 24, 2010 at 1:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”382752″][quote comment=”382749″]I don’t think it was until 1944 or so that the NFL mandated players had to wear team colored socks in addition to the sannies.[/quote]

    the “al harris rule”?

    (of course, sometimes he goes to the other extreme)

    seriously tho…

    can his pants be any shorter?[/quote]

    If his shorts are still pants, then SOD pants are still shorts.

    —Ricko

  • chance michaels | March 24, 2010 at 1:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”382751″][quote comment=”382749″]If any of you come across some pics or foot(pun semi-intended)age of the 1940 NFL Title Game (Bears 73, Redskins O), please take note of the Bears leggings. Few – if any – of the Bears are wearing colored socks (only calf high whites) and many, including Luckman, McAfee and Osmanski are wearing true low cut cleats.

    I don’t think it was until 1944 or so that the NFL mandated players had to wear team colored socks in addition to the sannies.[/quote]

    Yup, photos from that game are among the oldest I remember seeing that show players wearing actual low cuts. Took a solid 15 years before they were the more common choice for players, though. And there were far more, it seemed, in the NFL who wore them than in college during that decade-and-a-half.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    How about no colored socks at all?

    That’s Cecil Isbell with the ball, so it has to be 1942 at the latest. Can’t tell who the other Packer (with striped socks) is, but Isbell’s only wearing the low whites. Like a modern college player.

    Does anyone know when the NFL banned bare legs?

  • chance michaels | March 24, 2010 at 1:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”382755″][quote comment=”382753″][quote comment=”382747″]to chance,

    I was the guilty party of furnishing you with the gold-gold Rams-Packers newspaper pics. They came from the LA Times.[/quote]
    Yay – thank you!

    Hat tip added – let me know if you’d rather be acknowledged under your real name.[/quote]

    Coulda been worse.
    At least one team’s in Old Gold (GB) and the other’s in Athletic Gold (LA).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Only the helmets. The Packers’ jerseys are athletic gold.

  • timmy b | March 24, 2010 at 1:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”382757″][quote comment=”382751″][quote comment=”382749″]If any of you come across some pics or foot(pun semi-intended)age of the 1940 NFL Title Game (Bears 73, Redskins O), please take note of the Bears leggings. Few – if any – of the Bears are wearing colored socks (only calf high whites) and many, including Luckman, McAfee and Osmanski are wearing true low cut cleats.

    I don’t think it was until 1944 or so that the NFL mandated players had to wear team colored socks in addition to the sannies.[/quote]

    Yup, photos from that game are among the oldest I remember seeing that show players wearing actual low cuts. Took a solid 15 years before they were the more common choice for players, though. And there were far more, it seemed, in the NFL who wore them than in college during that decade-and-a-half.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    How about no colored socks at all?

    That’s Cecil Isbell with the ball, so it has to be 1942 at the latest. Can’t tell who the other Packer (with striped socks) is, but Isbell’s only wearing the low whites. Like a modern college player.

    Does anyone know when the NFL banned bare legs?[/quote]

    It was either 1943 or 1944. One of those two years for sure.

  • Philly Al in NoCal | March 24, 2010 at 2:40 pm |

    [quote comment=\”382730\”]Asked this last night, but now I\’ll cast my net among a wider audience:
    I haven\’t had any luck finding pictures of Bill Raftery playing basketball for La Salle in the early 60s. Does anyone know what number he wore?
    I found a photo of his teammate Paul Gallagher, http://grfx.cstv.com... but I\’d like to DIY that jersey with Raftery\’s number.[/quote]
    Let me know how that works out. I’ve suggested to the AD several times La Salle should wear the throwback sleeves for a game. I remember Larry Cannon, Bernie Williams et al wearing the sleeves for freshman games.

  • Doc | March 24, 2010 at 2:40 pm |

    I am looking for some stripped stirrups for this upcoming sofball season. Anyone know of any websites?

  • JimWa | March 24, 2010 at 2:58 pm |

    I’m jealous …

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • JTH | March 24, 2010 at 3:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”382761″]I am looking for some stripped stirrups for this upcoming sofball season. Anyone know of any websites?[/quote]
    Yep.

  • JTH | March 24, 2010 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”382762″]I’m jealous …

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    Here’s to hoping the winner of the auction was someone who doesn’t go online all that often:

    ITEM MUST BE PAID FOR WITHIN 24 HRS. OF AUCTION END, OR IT WILL BE RE-LISTED & PROPER FEEDBACK LEFT!!

  • LI Phil | March 24, 2010 at 3:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”382754″]In honor of Spring Break, it’s time for Dodgers Gone Wild!

    Baseball in underwear?

    Doing crazy things for the photographers?

    Hazing the former Giant?

    Topless coaches?

    Stripping out of unis?

    Do Not Disturb?

    Stirrup pron and meat pron?[/quote]

    great stuff lance

    i love your choice of “pron”…but it’s not one of the words that will come out as **** on this board…lol

    (the use of ‘porn’ that is)…

  • JTH | March 24, 2010 at 3:11 pm |

    Meat pron? Isn’t that redundant?

  • rpm | March 24, 2010 at 3:14 pm |

    thanks james, i am always shocked when i see someone ask that. and as far as today’s starred stirrup goes, i was just looking into that for the class a rattlers, getting the star embroidered on the salmon bellies ranger pattern would come out to 13ish bucks, at COST, plus 45 to get tck to set up the pattern. outrageous.

    i think brooks looks unmolded because of the way he cuts back the ear flap, and in that pixture, it does look like an add on. i loved to watch the hoover in the field when i was a kid, but watching him bat in that helmet, it just ain’t right proper.

  • timmy b | March 24, 2010 at 3:20 pm |

    How about no colored socks at all?

    That’s Cecil Isbell with the ball, so it has to be 1942 at the latest. Can’t tell who the other Packer (with striped socks) is, but Isbell’s only wearing the low whites. Like a modern college player.

    The pic looks to be from 1939 at the Friendly Confines. Bears are the opponent. Bears wore solid navy pants in 1939, and added side stripes to the Navy pants in 1940.

    shrpsports.com says in 1939 the Pack played the Bears in Chicago on 11/5.

  • JTH | March 24, 2010 at 3:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”382767″]thanks james, i am always shocked when i see someone ask that.[/quote]
    I’m thinking maybe it should go in the FAQs.

  • chance michaels | March 24, 2010 at 3:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”382768″]How about no colored socks at all?

    That’s Cecil Isbell with the ball, so it has to be 1942 at the latest. Can’t tell who the other Packer (with striped socks) is, but Isbell’s only wearing the low whites. Like a modern college player.

    The pic looks to be from 1939 at the Friendly Confines. Bears are the opponent. Bears wore solid navy pants in 1939, and added side stripes to the Navy pants in 1940.

    shrpsports.com says in 1939 the Pack played the Bears in Chicago on 11/5.[/quote]

    Yep – they lost, 27-30. :(

    I presumed it was later, because the Bears were wearing white at home. The Packers had a white alternate in 1939.

  • Brandon B | March 24, 2010 at 3:42 pm |

    I live in Grand Forks, ND where he Sioux are from i just want to say that those Gopher fans think they are cool but they didn’t even make the Final five and the Sioux won it

  • Squiddie | March 24, 2010 at 3:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”382766″]Meat pron? Isn’t that redundant?[/quote]
    I liked the fact that the meat locker lived up to its name and had a lock on it.

  • Ry Co 40 | March 24, 2010 at 4:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”382772″]I live in Grand Forks, ND where he Sioux are from i just want to say that those Gopher fans think they are cool but they didn’t even make the Final five and the Sioux won it[/quote]

    cause that was totally the point of the picture. thanks for the update…

  • chance michaels | March 24, 2010 at 4:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”382721″][quote comment=”382719″]So just as the NFL gets out of the “different templates on different players”, MLS adopts it?[/quote]
    I don’t think the NFL has yet to “get out” of the multiple templates. I live in Jacksonville, and was subjected to around 10 games of them sporting various templates (thank you NFL blackout rules). Of course the Jaguars were going 100% new “stretchable” last year, and they may come to their senses this year.[/quote]
    Nope – the NFL has been testing the new single-template uniforms for the past couple years.

    I want to say it’ll be implemented next year, but it could be 2011. Can’t recall off the top of my head, but Paul would know.

  • Jeff P | March 24, 2010 at 4:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”382738″][quote comment=”382731″]Again…what I’m trying to say is – HAVE A RANGE OF ACCEPTABLE EQUIPMENT, SIZED TO FIT, FROM VARIOUS MANUFACTURERS, then leave it alone.[/quote]

    Did I say everyone needs to use a Louisville Slugger model 225LL? Never. Why do you keep suggesting that’s what I’m saying?[/quote]

    Because that’s what it sounded like you were saying.

    As for your argument that they should just keep everything the same, good luck with that. You say a comfortable jersey, the manufacturers are trying to make theirs more comfortable and better for the player then the other guy. It’s what happens in a free market. People innovate to try and make more money then the other guy. Without that competition hockey goalies would still be using leather pads stuffed with horsehair, and chest protectors made of quilted canvas.

    Also realize that while for you playing and watching sports is just about fun, for the guys you’re watching it’s about keeping their jobs. To you, a $300 pair of cleats may not be important to how you play soccer, but that little bit of extra footspeed and energy transfer can be all the difference to a guy trying to go from MLS to the EPL. When millions of dollars are at stake, pro athletes should not be expected to put themselves at a disadvantage where they can avoid it.

    If a league wants to make a rule like MLB’s wood bat rule, that’s fine. But when somebody innovates within those boundaries you can’t bitch about it. Those ax handled bats, for example.

    The ‘better, faster, lighter’ stuff is not supposed to be about the fans. It’s supposed to be helpful for the players. Does it provide a competitive advantage if everyone’s using it? Perhaps not. But if it does make a player more comfortable while playing, are you really going to begrudge them that becuase it doesn’t look as nice as the wool or durene stuff of old?

  • Kaptain K | March 24, 2010 at 4:21 pm |

    Introducing the NEW and IMPROVED Whataburger Softball Team jersey:

    http://shop.nhl.com/...

    The only NHL jersey worthy of that goofy logo is the Thrashers’ ‘pernicious periwinkle’ home jersey!

  • JamesP. | March 24, 2010 at 4:34 pm |

    Here is a great write-up about the 1965 throwback unis the Astros will be wearing April 10th: http://footer.mlblog...

    Looks like both the Astros and the Phillies are wearing 1965 throwbacks.

  • JamesP. | March 24, 2010 at 4:39 pm |

    and here is what the Astros 1965 will look like: http://footer.mlblog...

  • chance michaels | March 24, 2010 at 4:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”382779″]and here is what the Astros 1965 will look like: http://footer.mlblog...
    That looks like the free jersey they’re giving away….

  • JamesP. | March 24, 2010 at 5:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”382780″][quote comment=”382779″]and here is what the Astros 1965 will look like: http://footer.mlblog...
    That looks like the free jersey they’re giving away….[/quote]

    Yes it is. I posted before reading the caption: http://footer.mlblog...

    “And Pence models the 1965 jersey that will be handed out on April 10. The Astros will also wear that jersey during the game as part of a special “Turn Back the Clock” night. The visiting Phillies will also wear their uniforms from 1965. “

  • rpm | March 24, 2010 at 5:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”382770″][quote comment=”382767″]thanks james, i am always shocked when i see someone ask that.[/quote]
    I’m thinking maybe it should go in the FAQs.[/quote]

    ha! would the question be?
    so i am interested in startithing a revolution, but am unst~sure whereith to get mine hosiery with strype, i canst only findith solids on yon interwebs. canst thou pointeth me in proper direction.

  • LI Phil | March 24, 2010 at 5:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”382782″][quote comment=”382770″][quote comment=”382767″]thanks james, i am always shocked when i see someone ask that.[/quote]
    I’m thinking maybe it should go in the FAQs.[/quote]

    ha! would the question be?
    so i am interested in startithing a revolution, but am unst~sure whereith to get mine hosiery with strype, i canst only findith solids on yon interwebs. canst thou pointeth me in proper direction.[/quote]

    sure

  • timmy b | March 24, 2010 at 5:47 pm |

    [quote]Yep – they lost, 27-30. :(

    I presumed it was later, because the Bears were wearing white at home. The Packers had a white alternate in 1939.[/quote]

    Sorry about the loss, but the Pack had the last laugh in ’39 as the were the NFL Champs that year.

    Just as an aside, the Bears never wore white for ANY game – regular or postseason – from 1941 thru 1956. It was navy all the way.

    Psst. they did wear orange for an exhibition game in 1946, or around there.

  • scott | March 24, 2010 at 7:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”382778″]Here is a great write-up about the 1965 throwback unis the Astros will be wearing April 10th: http://footer.mlblog...

    Looks like both the Astros and the Phillies are wearing 1965 throwbacks.[/quote]

    Should be a good-looking game, if the teams do it right.

  • rpm | March 24, 2010 at 7:19 pm |

    by the way, since we are talking fúbol fashion today, seems appropriate to pull out my all time favourite uniwatch post.

  • Ricko | March 24, 2010 at 7:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”382758″][quote comment=”382755″][quote comment=”382753″][quote comment=”382747″]to chance,

    I was the guilty party of furnishing you with the gold-gold Rams-Packers newspaper pics. They came from the LA Times.[/quote]
    Yay – thank you!

    Hat tip added – let me know if you’d rather be acknowledged under your real name.[/quote]

    Coulda been worse.
    At least one team’s in Old Gold (GB) and the other’s in Athletic Gold (LA).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Only the helmets. The Packers’ jerseys are athletic gold.[/quote]

    I stand corrected.

    Just goes to show what I’ve said here before. Older football cards rarely are worth a damn for uni reference.

    —Ricko

  • interlockingtc | March 24, 2010 at 8:18 pm |

    Stirrups: Everyday, more photographic evidence that the tide has turned. Soon, the pajama pants will be the exception rather than the norm.

  • TC Mark | March 24, 2010 at 8:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”382750″]When I was a youngster living in Minnesota in the early ’70s, several of my friends had Twins jackts with this design. I’m not sure if it was the official version worn by the real Twins.[/quote]

    Indeed it was the same jacket the players wore. A sweet jacket too. I had one as a kid and have a gray T with the same lettering now (should have worn that one to the Deep Freeze gathering!).

    And as LI Phil said…they “kinds sorta” used this design on the new roads. But they “cleaned it up” too much. The roads would so much better if it was an exact copy, stars and all. And better trim all around so as not to be too National-ish. Don’t care for the two-tone road cap either since we’re on the subject. Gee. But other than those couple of things how do I like the roads?

    For the record LOVE new home alts. But I weighed in with that when they were announced.

  • Ricko | March 24, 2010 at 10:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”382789″][quote comment=”382750″]When I was a youngster living in Minnesota in the early ’70s, several of my friends had Twins jackts with this design. I’m not sure if it was the official version worn by the real Twins.[/quote]

    Indeed it was the same jacket the players wore. A sweet jacket too. I had one as a kid and have a gray T with the same lettering now (should have worn that one to the Deep Freeze gathering!).

    And as LI Phil said…they “kinds sorta” used this design on the new roads. But they “cleaned it up” too much. The roads would so much better if it was an exact copy, stars and all. And better trim all around so as not to be too National-ish. Don’t care for the two-tone road cap either since we’re on the subject. Gee. But other than those couple of things how do I like the roads?

    For the record LOVE new home alts. But I weighed in with that when they were announced.[/quote]

    Speaking of the Twins, I finally got an in-person look at the new road jersey being worn by someone. A guy at the grocery store was wearing one. I got to watch it move, and in non-controlled lighting.

    Was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but now I have to say it was really disappointing. Nondescript, unimaginative, ordinary, mundane..a whole pile of negative adjectives came to me.

    Like or dislike the old road pins, at least they were something DISTINCTIVE.

    But that new thing is just…high school looking. And with a red-visored hat is gonna be even moreso.

    An ill-thought out, unnecessary and bad move on their part.

    Especially when compared to “cream” home alts, which are absolutely beautiful (saw one of them a while back).

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | March 24, 2010 at 10:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”382790″] I finally got an in-person look at the new road jersey being worn by someone. I have to say it was really disappointing. Nondescript, unimaginative, ordinary, mundane..a whole pile of negative adjectives came to me.

    Like or dislike the old road pins, at least they were something DISTINCTIVE.

    But that new thing is just…high school looking. And with a red-visored hat is gonna be even moreso.

    An ill-thought out, unnecessary and bad move on their part.
    [/quote]

    fair point

    having not seen it, i cannot render an opinion, however, your point that, love it or hate it, the old pins on grays was “distinctive”

    the new snot green seahawks third is “distinctive” too

    what’s boring to you may be classic to someone else, and what’s distinctive to you may look like shit to someone else

    i happen to think they’ve hit home runs on both, particularly the cream alts…unlike a certain club i’m rather fond of whose idea of a cream alt is to ruin it with BFBS dropshitow OR…almost worse, this thrice and done psedu-throwback

    i think those twinkies roadies are gonna grow on ya rick…specially when ya finally get past the yankees this fall

  • Kurt Allen | March 24, 2010 at 10:26 pm |

    11 NHL teams with uniform tweaks in the works for 2010-11…

  • rpm | March 24, 2010 at 10:45 pm |

    if you don’t know the story of tony horton, it’s an interesting one. here he is squaring off against steve hamilton.

    ricko~
    take the red bill of the hat, switch the red and blue on the numbers, and i think it’s an okay uniform.

  • LI Phil | March 24, 2010 at 11:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”382793″]if you don’t know the story of tony horton, it’s an interesting one. here he is squaring off against steve hamilton.
    [/quote]

    it is interesting to be sure, but it aint too happy

    did scooter call him willie horton in that clip?

  • LI Phil | March 24, 2010 at 11:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”382794″]
    did scooter call him willie horton in that clip?[/quote]

    yup…he sure did

  • rpm | March 24, 2010 at 11:56 pm |

    i thought i heard tony, but maybe you’re right. i said “interesting” story, not “happy” story. i find stories like tony’s fascinating. i have an all time list of these sorts of things that i compiled some time ago if you want it for weekend posts.

  • LI Phil | March 25, 2010 at 12:14 am |

    [quote comment=”382796″]i thought i heard tony, but maybe you’re right. i said “interesting” story, not “happy” story. i find stories like tony’s fascinating. i have an all time list of these sorts of things that i compiled some time ago if you want it for weekend posts.[/quote]

    he definitely called him tony in the beginning of the clip…maybe i just wanted him to say “willie” (but play the second clip, where i started it at the :50 second mark — sure sounds like willie)

    and sure…bring them stories on!

  • rpm | March 25, 2010 at 12:35 am |

    i did listen to that one. like i said, maybe he did, but i am not sure.

    all the links are screwed up in the list i saved, so i would have to re~research more of the specifics about players like ed delhanty, and his mysterious disappearance, or moe berg’s spying etc, so oh well. but there are quotes, like…

    “A lot of good ballgames on tomorrow, but we’re going to be right here with the Cubs and the Mets.”
    -Thom Brennaman, Chicago Cubs broadcaster.

    “I want all the kids to do what I do, to look up to me. I want all the kids to copulate me.”
    -Chicago Cubs outfielder Andre Dawson on being a role model

    “I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf.”
    -Tug McGraw, asked whether he preferred grass or Astroturf

    …and others, plus the larger sections i have on jerry coleman, ralph kiner, and yogi.

    interesting braws like…
    1932: Umpire George Moriarty fought with White Sox players under the stands after Cleveland wins a doubleheader. Chicago claimed the umpire deliberately made wrong calls. Moriarty broke his fist knocking down Milt Gaston, but he is pummeled by manager Lew Fonseca and catchers Charlie Berry and Frank Grube.

    and there is other stuff too. i compiled all sorts of interesting things for an extensive linked 2004 email i sent a friend who really loved baseball, but she didn’t understand a lot of the game’s history. but with all the dead links, it isn’t very useful, maybe i can figure out why they are not working.

  • Ricko | March 25, 2010 at 8:21 am |

    [quote comment=”382793″]if you don’t know the story of tony horton, it’s an interesting one. here he is squaring off against steve hamilton.

    ricko~
    take the red bill of the hat, switch the red and blue on the numbers, and i think it’s an okay uniform.[/quote]

    Yup, I’ll give you that. Based on what I saw, those two switches would be a vast improvement. As it is, the new road is just off-the-rack and uninspired. And the red visor is a complete bumper sticker. It really looks like, “Hey, we’ve never had a red visor on our soft caps, y’know.” “Okay, there’s an idea; let’s do that, then.”

    Ever been in someone’s home and you realize that they think their sense of interior design is just terrific, and it really just…isn’t? Not because they picked a certain style, but because they really have no sense of style? They did a couple odd little things and believe they’re really inventive? That’s the reaction I’ve had to the new Twins roads, both in photos and now, in person.

    —Ricko