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To the Season’s Biggest Turkeys

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The nice thing about Thanksgiving, aside from stuffing your face and watching the Lions lose again, is the elemental simplicity of the holiday’s premise: Surely even the most downtrodden of us has something to be thankful for. But there’s no denying that some people have a few extra blessings to count. I refer, of course, to those of us — or, rather, those of you — whose favorite team is not owned by Fred and Jeff Wilpon.

Before we get to Fred and Jeff’s latest uni-related snafu, it’s important to understand just how badly the Mets’ visual identity has deteriorated under their watch. Let these facts be submitted to a candid world: There’s been the endless procession of alternate caps; the miserable black alternate jerseys; the pointless addition of black drop shadows to everything; the shunting aside of blue as a team color, especially on the road uniform; the wearing of the road cap at home; the near-disappearance of the home pinstripes; the removal of the “NY” from the skyline logo; the needless imposition of a black skyline logo; the worst stadium-opening sleeve patch in MLB history; and on and on.

With this impressive body of work behind them, the Wilpons announced yesterday that they’re changing their home pinstripes from a white-based fabric to an off-white cream. On its face, this is fine — it’s a very small cosmetic change that I don’t mind and that most fans won’t even notice. Hooooowever:

1) Why did this “news” merit a multi-paragraph press release and an e-mail blast? Look, here’s all you need: “You know that pinstriped uni we never wear? Next year it’ll be beige instead of white,” the end. You can put that on Twitter and still have enough characters left for a few Willie Randolph jokes.

2) Let’s take a closer look at the middle of that announcement:

The Mets created the retro uniform following research and positive responses to the jerseys the 1969 World Champion Mets wore during their 40th anniversary celebration in August. The natural color and pinstripes were staples of the original Mets uniform when the team debuted in 1962.

Um, guys, you didn’t “create” anything — you just told Majestic to change the fabric from white to Pantone 155, or whatever. More importantly, though, how can you call this jersey “retro” — and how can you have the chutzpah to claim the spirits of ’62 and ’69 as your inspiration — when the new cream pinstripes will still have that accursed drop-shadow?!

It’s right about here that my head explodes.

Here are the World Series reunion jerseys referenced in the press release — the ones that supposedly generated all the “positive responses.” Notice any drop shadows there? The issue isn’t that the shadow-free script looks better than the shadowed script (although it certainly does); the issue is that the Mets can’t even do retro accurately. They can’t even describe what they’re doing accurately! It’s an affront — not just to those early, pre-Wilpon Mets squads and the fans who cheered for them, but to anyone with a functioning brain pan. I mean, seriously, you have to work pretty hard to screw up something this simple.

It’s all too much. The Bernazard thing, the vanilla stadium with the corporate name and the 37 price tiers, the GM who thinks it’s a good idea to call out a beat writer at a press conference, the bottomless pit of medical misdiagnoses — and I’m not even counting the on-field performance. I’m just talking about the most basic aspects of team ownership and stewardship. These guys aren’t just bad at it; they’re the definition of dysfunctional. If the Mets were their kid, Child Services would’ve whisked the team into foster care years ago.

And so, Fred and Jeff, in the spirit of the holiday season, I send you the following Thanksgiving wishes: I hope you gag on your turkey, spill cranberry sauce on your suits, and get gravy stains on your ties. I hope your wine is corked, your mashed potatoes lumpy, and your pumpkin pie spoiled. I hope your staff quits at the last moment and spends the day peppering you with crank calls from “me, your old pal Bernie Madoff, don’t you remember?” Then I hope you get the runs afterward. The two of you deserve nothing less.

And nothing more.

To everyone else, happy almost-Thanksgiving — travel safe today, wherever you’re heading.

(Thanks to Brian Erni for the side-by-side jersey comparison.)

Uni Watch News Ticker: Did you know there’s a little factory in upstate New York that’s been making NBA game-day jerseys for 40 years? Now Adidas wants to outsource that work to Thailand, a move that will cost 100 jobs. Happy Thanksgiving! … The Sacramento State football team all went with “Mattos” nameplates on Saturday in honor of former Sac State coach Bob Mattos, who is battling brain cancer (with thanks to Marty Kobata). … Missouri riflery gallery, complete with embarrassing collar slogan and obligatory D-ring photo, here. … “I was watching Real Sports on HBO tonight,” says Brad Wasserman, “and Bryant Gumbel was in the NFL offices interviewing the head of NFL security when he walked by a a wall that featured every NFL team’s sock pattern!” Actually, as you can see, some of them are pants piping patterns, but still — I’ll take the whole set in my Christmas stocking, thanks. … Hmmm, interesting design. That’s Emporia State, a D-II school from Kansas (with thanks to Brian Hansen). … Did you know the Phillies once lost their gear on the way to 1920 game against the Dodgers in Brooklyn? They eneded up having to to borrow the Dodgers’ road uniforms, along with some shoes and bats. The whole thing is described is hilariously florid detail here. It looks like a lot to digest, I know, but just click on that first thumbnail and then click on “All Sizes” — you won’t be disappointed by what you read, I promise you (big, big thanks to Morris Levin). … Things you learn when you’re stuck home with the chickenpox: My Name Is Earl, which I had never ever watched before, is a gas.

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Holiday Schedule: The site will be open for chatter tomorrow. We’ll also be open on Friday — maybe just for chatter, maybe even some actual content. We shall see.

I can’t spend the holiday with my family on account of the ’pox, but Kirsten and I plan on rustlin’ up some fine grub for ourselves. Everyone have a healthy and a happy. And remember: White meat’s for suckers.

 

249 comments to To the Season’s Biggest Turkeys

  • dudebrotherman | November 25, 2009 at 8:47 am |

    Anybody catch Jay Bilas ribbing Mark Few about his sandals last night at the Maui Inv?

  • Original Jim | November 25, 2009 at 8:50 am |

    Maybe it’s a new cut of jersey, not sure, but without the drop shadow, the space between the M and e on the Mets script seems really cavernous.

  • Jetsfan95 | November 25, 2009 at 8:50 am |

    And you call yourself a Mets fan? Nothing so special about these, just makes the team look older and our parents feel older.

  • The Jeff | November 25, 2009 at 8:51 am |

    I like the drop shadow, it makes the orange outline stand out more.

    /hides

  • -Vince | November 25, 2009 at 8:53 am |

    could be worse. you could have to deal with this guy:
    http://paulgoespop.t...

  • Michael Niekamp | November 25, 2009 at 8:53 am |

    Ditch the Black!

  • Hank | November 25, 2009 at 8:57 am |

    Happy Thanksgiving to you, Paul, and all the contributors to this fine site.

    After reading the Mets’ latest fiasco, I am ever more thankful I have a team like the Fightin’ Phils to root for.

  • Metsr1 | November 25, 2009 at 8:58 am |

    The Mets owners are indeed morons. The black addition craze is so 90’s. Get rid of the black already! Wake up Rip Van Wilpon it’s 2009. The Mets look like a beer league team with the silly black uniforms. Tradition should mean something. Way to go uniwatch. Keep blasting the Wilpons for the morons they are.

  • dudebrotherman | November 25, 2009 at 9:00 am |

    Here is where the Mets, as well as other teams, need to seriously seek out some consulting from outside sources.

    That drop shadow has got to go!

    They need to talk to someone like Scott Schuman, the dude from Sartorialist/GQ fame. They need some literal expert fashion advice when deciding to do this kind of stuff.

    Actually, Paul, that might be a good interview with that dude. Would be cool to get his takes on some of the uniforms.

  • -Vince | November 25, 2009 at 9:01 am |

    and…
    Happy Thanksgiving. I give thanks for Paul & Co. for running this joint!

  • dudebrotherman | November 25, 2009 at 9:01 am |

    I’m ready to re-sign the ditch the black petition as well as the keep the NBA/Adidas contract in the US petition.

    Where do I sign those?

  • LI Phil | November 25, 2009 at 9:06 am |

    after careful consideration, fred and jeff decided upon the dropshadow pins only because their preferred alternate didn’t have enough black in it

    /eff you wilpons…who would have thought it was nelson who should have gotten the team

  • Dave | November 25, 2009 at 9:08 am |

    Paul, this is perfect.

  • Ryan | November 25, 2009 at 9:09 am |

    Preach, Paul!

  • Hank | November 25, 2009 at 9:09 am |

    So adidas, a foreign company, wants to outsource more jobs to foreign lands. When the hell is the ‘Going Out of Business’ sign being posted on our borders and gov’t websites?

    (I never knew that Reebok was a part of the adidas family until I did a little Googling.)

  • Ry Co 40 | November 25, 2009 at 9:13 am |

    [quote comment=”363179″]Happy Thanksgiving to you, Paul, and all the contributors to this fine site.

    After reading the Mets’ latest fiasco, I am ever more thankful I have a team like the Fightin’ Phils to root for.[/quote]

    pirates fan over here… ugh. i’m just thankful we have some of the best jerseys in baseball… well, 3 out of 4 ain’t bad:

    http://shop.mlb.com/...

  • Jim | November 25, 2009 at 9:13 am |

    AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN

    Paul…I disagree with you often on your uni quirks, but you’re right. I was so looking forward to this “retro” release…and then it’s like a slap in the face.

    I’ll never stop rooting for my Amazins’…but f*** the Wilpons.

  • LI Phil | November 25, 2009 at 9:17 am |

    [quote comment=”363189″]
    pirates fan over here… ugh. i’m just thankful we have some of the best jerseys in baseball… well, 3 out of 4 ain’t bad:

    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    oh c’mon…you know you have one of these

  • Flip | November 25, 2009 at 9:17 am |

    Happy Thanksgiving, Mr. Lukas. Chicken pox is dreadful as an adult, especially at Thanksgiving, especially at Thanksgiving when you should be with the rest of your family.

    Meanwhile, know that your family here at Uniwatch is thankful for your attention to detail, your wit and your fantastic writing style. You, sir, give us much for which to be thankful. Thank you. And I thank my lucky stars I stumbled across the site.

    Thank you to Phil, to Rick and to all the other contributors. Thanks to the Internet for allowing this community to exist.

    May the Mets find their way out of the wilderness, may Nike learn humility, may Under Armor and Adidas find a clue.

    Thank you to each of you. And finally, go lions!

  • Jim | November 25, 2009 at 9:17 am |

    [quote comment=”363185″]after careful consideration, fred and jeff decided upon the dropshadow pins only because their preferred alternate didn’t have enough black in it

    /eff you wilpons…who would have thought it was nelson who should have gotten the team[/quote]

    Here’s my only hope…that enough people are so outraged by this jersey actually being called “retro” despite having the bullshit black in it, that come 2011 they’ll actually drop at least the drop shadow from ONE jersey.

    Hold my breath I won’t…but I will hope for this until next year when they can have another ridiculous press release about a uniform or installing a “NY” logo in the urinals at Shea.

  • Peter Wunsch | November 25, 2009 at 9:19 am |

    Newsday today has an aside about the Met uniform change that is critical about “black” haters.

  • Ry Co 40 | November 25, 2009 at 9:22 am |

    [quote comment=”363192″][quote comment=”363189″]
    pirates fan over here… ugh. i’m just thankful we have some of the best jerseys in baseball… well, 3 out of 4 ain’t bad:

    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    oh c’mon…you know you have one of these[/quote]

    lol! yeah, my first choice was “16 and counting”

    i love this though. perfect combination of over-price, logo creep, trademark, and uselessness:

    http://farm4.static....

  • MookieWilson | November 25, 2009 at 9:26 am |

    Paul,
    This may have been covered before, but, have the Wilpons ever acknowledged that they are aware of the “ditch the black” movement?

    The black hats, shirts and drop shadows really are the suckiest sucks that ever sucked.

  • Big Matt | November 25, 2009 at 9:29 am |

    Doesn’t the NBA have some say in the Adidas moving the uniform making out of the USA deal? I know the two are in the middle of a 11 year agreement, but surely the NBA can do something? I mean c’mon…this is America

  • Ryan | November 25, 2009 at 9:30 am |

    [quote comment=”363195″]Newsday today has an aside about the Met uniform change that is critical about “black” haters.[/quote]

    Could you give us a quick summation for those of us who don’t pay for their web content?

  • Joe Hilseberg | November 25, 2009 at 9:31 am |

    It is sooooo ridiculously slow today that I made a Mets logo comparison sheet of all of the logos since the Wilpons took over

    http://www.jerseynam...

  • Johnny F. | November 25, 2009 at 9:31 am |

    As a diehard Mets fan, do you guys mind if I copy and past the following Lukas quote (with proper credit of course), all over my social networking pages… since it pretty much sums up my feelings PERFECTLY:

    “And so, Fred and Jeff, in the spirit of the holiday season, I send you the following Thanksgiving wishes: I hope you gag on your turkey, spill cranberry sauce on your suits, and get gravy stains on your ties. I hope your wine is corked, your mashed potatoes lumpy, and your pumpkin pie spoiled. I hope your staff quits at the last moment and spends the day peppering you with crank calls from “me, your old pal Bernie Madoff, don’t you remember?” Then I hope you get the runs afterward. The two of you deserve nothing less.”

    Amazing. Paul Lukas, “The Official Voice of the 2009 Mets Fan”.

  • Franco | November 25, 2009 at 9:34 am |

    While I agree with most of what you are saying Mr. Lukas, I don’t think the black drop shadow is THAT bad to be compared to the other disasters by the Wilpons. i think the jerseys look good. Would they look better w/o drop shadow, and Mr. Met on the sleeve? Absolutely. But these are ok. You are a long time suffering Met fan, so I understand your frustrations. I am more of the optimistic Mets fan and hope for the best (not many of us left)

    BTW, they are bringing back the away black unis (the New York ones).

    Anywho, please keep up the great work. Love your site, and have a great thanksgiving.

  • Paul Lukas | November 25, 2009 at 9:35 am |

    [quote comment=”363201″]As a diehard Mets fan, do you guys mind if I copy and past the following Lukas quote (with proper credit of course), all over my social networking pages… since it pretty much sums up my feelings PERFECTLY:

    “And so, Fred and Jeff, in the spirit of the holiday season, I send you the following Thanksgiving wishes: I hope you gag on your turkey, spill cranberry sauce on your suits, and get gravy stains on your ties. I hope your wine is corked, your mashed potatoes lumpy, and your pumpkin pie spoiled. I hope your staff quits at the last moment and spends the day peppering you with crank calls from “me, your old pal Bernie Madoff, don’t you remember?” Then I hope you get the runs afterward. The two of you deserve nothing less.”

    Amazing. Paul Lukas, “The Official Voice of the 2009 Mets Fan”.[/quote]

    Post away. If possible, please link back to this entry. Thanks.

  • Brian Erni | November 25, 2009 at 9:41 am |

    I am a die hard Mets fan born in 1984 (also Jets and Islanders fan. Yes, I’m pissed I essentially missed it all) and couldn’t agree more with every single word that you said in this post, Paul. It really is such a shame. I just don’t understand this tweak. It’s so insulting to every Mets fan, especially those who took time out of their day to take a uniform survey that, apparently, was completely ignored. My mood swings on this range from anger to dejected ambivalence. Is there an organization anywhere else is sports that gives their fanbase the metaphorical middle finger than this crew? What a shame. Seriously…I don’t even know what to say anymore.

  • JTH | November 25, 2009 at 9:50 am |

    I really like the way these look except for two things:

    1) That waistband logo is superfluous and it just looks like a Champion logo.
    2) They do not look like women’s basketball unis.

  • Rampage | November 25, 2009 at 9:54 am |

    I like the black drop shadow.

  • Paul Lukas | November 25, 2009 at 9:56 am |

    [quote comment=”363207″]I like the black drop shadow.[/quote]

    That’s fine. But again, that’s not the point. The point is that you can’t be saying you “created” a “retro” uniform based on the 1969 design when the ’69 design didn’t have the black trim!

  • The Jeff | November 25, 2009 at 9:59 am |

    [quote comment=”363208″][quote comment=”363207″]I like the black drop shadow.[/quote]

    That’s fine. But again, that’s not the point. The point is that you can’t be saying you “created” a “retro” uniform based on the 1969 design when the ’69 design didn’t have the black trim![/quote]

    Actually… why not?

    Throwback = replica of old look

    Retro = inspired by old look

  • JTH | November 25, 2009 at 10:01 am |

    [quote comment=”363209″][quote comment=”363208″][quote comment=”363207″]I like the black drop shadow.[/quote]

    That’s fine. But again, that’s not the point. The point is that you can’t be saying you “created” a “retro” uniform based on the 1969 design when the ’69 design didn’t have the black trim![/quote]

    Actually… why not?

    Throwback = replica of old look

    Retro = inspired by old look[/quote]
    old-school vs pseudold-school?

  • Jim | November 25, 2009 at 10:03 am |

    [quote comment=”363208″][quote comment=”363207″]I like the black drop shadow.[/quote]

    That’s fine. But again, that’s not the point. The point is that you can’t be saying you “created” a “retro” uniform based on the 1969 design when the ’69 design didn’t have the black trim![/quote]
    Exactly, Paul.

    Personally, I don’t mind the drop shadow on the regular unis. If they switched back to the way they used to be, fine by me…but it does make the “Mets” pop.

    That being said, the black jerseys, while initially cool, have run their course. Enough. Secondly, stop with the black/blue hats and if you MUST have it, wear it strictly on the road…why a hat that is designated as “road” is worn at home 40% of the time is beyond me.

    Blue at home the whole time…and like Paul said, the retro uniform isn’t retro at all with the black in it…that has us all up in arms.

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 25, 2009 at 10:04 am |

    For a lot of Met fans this picture represents what ‘could have been’ for their pitching staff… but now it represents what ‘could have been’ for their uniforms.

  • Hank | November 25, 2009 at 10:04 am |

    [quote comment=”363205″]… Is there an organization anywhere else is sports that gives their fanbase the metaphorical middle finger than this crew? [/quote]

    To a certain extent, the Eagles give us the brush-off. From their rejection of the Kelley Green, Silver and White uniform colors, to the stupid black alts, to stopping fans from bring their own sandwiches into the Linc based on security precautions due to the 9/11 attacks, to ignoring the franchise’s history, to calling themselves the ‘Gold Standard’ of the NFL while winning zero Super Bowls. Yeah, the front office has given us the finger more than once.

  • mark brown | November 25, 2009 at 10:05 am |

    About 10 years ago, Emporia State football had black and gold horizontal bands on the helmets (hornets – get it?). I haven’t found a picture yet.

    I hate to say it, but I’m one of the lifelong Met fans that likes the black. The orange and royal blue are too similar in value, and thus are visually mush. Tradition aside, I never liked the royal pinstripes – also punchless. That said, aesthetically questionable decisions are being made: the black jersey and the all-black cap are an abomination, and black/cream/orange/royal will be nasty together.

  • Lou | November 25, 2009 at 10:12 am |

    Way to go Paul. Dead on as always.

    For those who like the black, the Mets have 3 or 4 other jerseys with black in it. Why couldn’t they at least do this one without it for those of us who love the old school design. It is not so much that the balck Mets stuff exists, it is that they have decided that it has to be included in EVERYTHING! I am surprised that they haven’t put a black button on top of the blue cap. Crap, now that I gave them the idea they might!

  • Brian Erni | November 25, 2009 at 10:12 am |

    a question for the designers around the site: i often hear the argument “the dropshadow makes the ‘mets’ script pop,” but that doesn’t make sense to me at all. wouldn’t that purpose already be served with the orange outline? like…i actually understand how maybe the orange dropshadow on the black alts make the script ‘pop’ off the jersey because it’s a lighter color on a darker fabric. but…how does this hold true for the black dropshadow on the two white jerseys? i think it just takes away the negative space and makes the mark more muddied and clunkier looking.

  • LI Phil | November 25, 2009 at 10:13 am |

    [quote comment=”363207″]I like the black drop shadow.[/quote]

    well it nicely distracts your eye from the fact that the coolbase ruins the pins’ continuity

    of course, this problem is not limited to the mets, but the whole thing looks like shit

    but who cares, right? the kids like the black (and apparently not orange) and it’s only a uniform

  • Daniel | November 25, 2009 at 10:14 am |

    “Preach, Paul!” Nice. I feel a t-shirt coming. Those words on one side, no shadow, and a stirrup silhouette on the other.

    My contribution for today is a note on my wretchedly led team, The Golden State Warriors. And, of course, ancient Chinese uniforms. The very mention of the Warriors should make Mets fans feel a less woe and the plague of pox and Wilpons a little less itchy.

    As for the link to Chinese history, the Warriors have recently won two games in a row while extremely short-handed and are now calling themselves “stone soldiers,” after the famous Terracotta Army of the Emperor Qin Shi Huangdi, which some of the players saw on a trip to China last year.

    Buried deep in this blog-post:

    Army:

    One of the famed soldiers sporting their version of Nike pro combat:

    All this as a reminder that uniforms have always mattered and that the soldiers always outlive their emperors.

    Eat well, everyone.

  • Johnny F. | November 25, 2009 at 10:15 am |

    [quote comment=”363203″][quote comment=”363201″]As a diehard Mets fan, do you guys mind if I copy and past the following Lukas quote (with proper credit of course), all over my social networking pages… since it pretty much sums up my feelings PERFECTLY:

    “And so, Fred and Jeff, in the spirit of the holiday season, I send you the following Thanksgiving wishes: I hope you gag on your turkey, spill cranberry sauce on your suits, and get gravy stains on your ties. I hope your wine is corked, your mashed potatoes lumpy, and your pumpkin pie spoiled. I hope your staff quits at the last moment and spends the day peppering you with crank calls from “me, your old pal Bernie Madoff, don’t you remember?” Then I hope you get the runs afterward. The two of you deserve nothing less.”

    Amazing. Paul Lukas, “The Official Voice of the 2009 Mets Fan”.[/quote]

    Post away. If possible, please link back to this entry. Thanks.[/quote]

    Done and done. May there be a brotherhood of pissed of Mets fans and people in my networks visiting your site soon! Cheers!

  • Ryan | November 25, 2009 at 10:15 am |

    [quote comment=”363213″][quote comment=”363205″]… Is there an organization anywhere else is sports that gives their fanbase the metaphorical middle finger than this crew? [/quote]

    To a certain extent, the Eagles give us the brush-off. From their rejection of the Kelley Green, Silver and White uniform colors, to the stupid black alts, to stopping fans from bring their own sandwiches into the Linc based on security precautions due to the 9/11 attacks, to ignoring the franchise’s history, to calling themselves the ‘Gold Standard’ of the NFL while winning zero Super Bowls. Yeah, the front office has given us the finger more than once.[/quote]

    I know Eagles fans in the Lurie era have felt a certain disconnect with the organization, but I’d never say that their front office is straight-up dysfunctional (as Paul did with the Mets). With the Mets, it’s impossible to say who is really in charge of acquiring and managing talent.

  • Daniel | November 25, 2009 at 10:16 am |
  • Nick J | November 25, 2009 at 10:21 am |

    Retro or not, any black on the Mets looks awful. Leave the black and orange where it belongs: Baltimore!

  • LI Phil | November 25, 2009 at 10:24 am |

    [quote comment=”363212″]For a lot of Met fans this picture represents what ‘could have been’ for their pitching staff… but now it represents what ‘could have been’ for their uniforms.[/quote]

    ah…generation k

    much like the unis they sported circa 1995-97, they took a good thing and ruined it

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 10:28 am |

    [quote comment=”363209″][quote comment=”363208″][quote comment=”363207″]I like the black drop shadow.[/quote]

    That’s fine. But again, that’s not the point. The point is that you can’t be saying you “created” a “retro” uniform based on the 1969 design when the ’69 design didn’t have the black trim![/quote]

    Actually… why not?

    Throwback = replica of old look

    Retro = inspired by old look[/quote]

    The Jeff’s right. Been saying for a long time there needs to be a category that allows for use of vintage unis for inspiration and not have the end result be faulted if it fails to be a precise historical recreation (which, for our purposes, is a “throwback”).

    I’ve been using “vintage inspired”. But “retro” probably works better.

    Perfect example: Braves ditching the royal and powder, returning to the navy and red with the tomahawk, piping and all…but no striped strirrups.
    Was it retro? Absolutely.
    Was it a throwback? Absolutely not.
    Was it good? Absolutely yes.

    —Ricko

  • Ryan | November 25, 2009 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment=”363216″]a question for the designers around the site: i often hear the argument “the dropshadow makes the ‘mets’ script pop,” but that doesn’t make sense to me at all. wouldn’t that purpose already be served with the orange outline? like…i actually understand how maybe the orange dropshadow on the black alts make the script ‘pop’ off the jersey because it’s a lighter color on a darker fabric. but…how does this hold true for the black dropshadow on the two white jerseys? i think it just takes away the negative space and makes the mark more muddied and clunkier looking.[/quote]

    Here’s what I think I think – I can maybe see making the argument that the black drop-shadow makes the “Mets” script pop when looking at it up close (like the way a designer would be looking at it on a computer screen). Not sure I agree with that, but it sounds like a legit argument.

    The problem is that most of the time we’ll be looking at this jersey in medium-to-far player shots during televised games. *That* is when it looks muddled and clunkier (“busy” is the word I’ve used – it just looks too busy).

    Add in the whole “changing the base color slightly and shamelessly trumpeting it as ‘retro'” thing, and one can see why many Mets fans are unhappy.

  • Jim | November 25, 2009 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment=”363224″][quote comment=”363209″][quote comment=”363208″][quote comment=”363207″]I like the black drop shadow.[/quote]

    That’s fine. But again, that’s not the point. The point is that you can’t be saying you “created” a “retro” uniform based on the 1969 design when the ’69 design didn’t have the black trim![/quote]

    Actually… why not?

    Throwback = replica of old look

    Retro = inspired by old look[/quote]

    The Jeff’s right. Been saying for a long time there needs to be a category that allows for use of vintage unis for inspiration and not have the end result be faulted if it fails to be a precise historical recreation (which, for our purposes, is a “throwback”).

    I’ve been using “vintage inspired”. But “retro” probably works better.

    Perfect example: Braves ditching the royal and powder, returning to the navy and red with the tomahawk, piping and all…but no striped strirrups.
    Was it retro? Absolutely.
    Was it a throwback? Absolutely not.
    Was it good? Absolutely yes.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Agreed…but at least in this Mets fan’s opinion…it’s not just that the black was included. I actually think the black/blue/orange combo looks hideous on the cream colored uniform.

    It’s more than the “old school” look…it just doesn’t look aesthetically pleasing.

  • Jim | November 25, 2009 at 10:33 am |

    [quote]dd in the whole “changing the base color slightly and shamelessly trumpeting it as ‘retro'” thing, and one can see why many Mets fans are unhappy.[/quote]
    That’s another thing. This isn’t a “retro” jersey. They changed the friggin base color and nothing else…it’s the same jersey with a different shade of white.

    I could just drop some yellow into my wash when I clean my pinstriped jersey and voila…I have their “retro” version.

  • Jim | November 25, 2009 at 10:34 am |

    [quote comment=”363225″][quote comment=”363216″]a question for the designers around the site: i often hear the argument “the dropshadow makes the ‘mets’ script pop,” but that doesn’t make sense to me at all. wouldn’t that purpose already be served with the orange outline? like…i actually understand how maybe the orange dropshadow on the black alts make the script ‘pop’ off the jersey because it’s a lighter color on a darker fabric. but…how does this hold true for the black dropshadow on the two white jerseys? i think it just takes away the negative space and makes the mark more muddied and clunkier looking.[/quote]

    Here’s what I think I think – I can maybe see making the argument that the black drop-shadow makes the “Mets” script pop when looking at it up close (like the way a designer would be looking at it on a computer screen). Not sure I agree with that, but it sounds like a legit argument.

    The problem is that most of the time we’ll be looking at this jersey in medium-to-far player shots during televised games. *That* is when it looks muddled and clunkier (“busy” is the word I’ve used – it just looks too busy).

    Add in the whole “changing the base color slightly and shamelessly trumpeting it as ‘retro'” thing, and one can see why many Mets fans are unhappy.[/quote]
    That’s another thing. This isn’t a “retro” jersey. They changed the friggin base color and nothing else…it’s the same jersey with a different shade of white.

    I could just drop some yellow into my wash when I clean my pinstriped jersey and voila…I have their “retro” version.

  • Mike K. | November 25, 2009 at 10:39 am |

    Uniforms of the minor leagues are one of my own passions, and while on a search through card sites, I found this:

    http://i46.tinypic.c...

    Beaver on a bat throwback! With inexplicable pinstripes! And as a Twins affiliate!

  • PittSlovak | November 25, 2009 at 10:40 am |

    It’s hard to feel sorry for for Mets fans when, as a Pirates fan, I’ve had to live through 16 losing seasons and those hideous ketchup red jerseys.

  • Ryan | November 25, 2009 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment=”363212″]For a lot of Met fans this picture represents what ‘could have been’ for their pitching staff… but now it represents what ‘could have been’ for their uniforms.[/quote]

    *That* was a baseball uniform. Clean and classic. I was never a fan of the thin white lining on the text and numbers (made it look like the pinstripes never quite got to their destinations), but man, I’d take that in a heartbeat now if it meant ditching the drop-shadow.

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 10:40 am |

    Rule of thumb?

    When the drop shadow fills in–or virutally fills in–the center of script letters like “e” and “s” you probably shouldn’t use it.

    —Ricko

  • interlockingtc | November 25, 2009 at 10:42 am |

    [quote comment=”363200″]It is sooooo ridiculously slow today that I made a Mets logo comparison sheet of all of the logos since the Wilpons took over

    http://www.jerseynam...

    That illustrates the deterioration perfectly. Ugh.

  • Beardface | November 25, 2009 at 10:46 am |

    *snickering*

    As a Phillies fan, it delights me to watch the Mets continuously fuck up even the easiest of things. Not only that, but they fuck it up while trying to emulate something as successful as the Phillies’ fauxback cream jerseys.

    And I thought the Phils were a poorly run team when Ed Wade was the GM. Shit, they got nothin on this current Mets franchise.

  • LI Phil | November 25, 2009 at 10:46 am |

    [quote comment=”363224″]The Jeff’s right.[/quote]

    well, it had to happen someday

  • JP | November 25, 2009 at 10:48 am |

    From Ken Davidoff of Newsday:

    “–The great Paul Lukas rips into the Mets for their new uniforms.” (and then links to today’s post).

  • ScottyM | November 25, 2009 at 10:49 am |

    “Beast Mode” lol

    Did Nike actually employ copywriters to come up with these little tags for their riflery lines?

    Seems the whole Pro Combat “campaign” from its very foundation is just off-putting. They were onto something with their history/heritage idea last year for basketball:

    http://www.sportsbus...

    But the idea has just disappeared from public view. Maybe we’ll be so lucky with this new line.

    Also, not a fan of the Mets … but when you see everything side by side, damn, that’s atrocious what they’ve done to an iconic look (across the board).

  • moho | November 25, 2009 at 10:55 am |

    Your personal attacks on the Wilpons are absurd and way over the top. You need to calm down, really. Ad hominem attacks are evidence of the weakest argument.

  • Lou | November 25, 2009 at 10:59 am |

    [quote comment=”363238″]Your personal attacks on the Wilpons are absurd and way over the top. You need to calm down, really. Ad hominem attacks are evidence of the weakest argument.[/quote]

    No, the attacks are justified. When the same people screw up over and over and over again and show a continued lack of judgment they deserve it!

  • ThePilotsDaredMeToDie | November 25, 2009 at 11:04 am |

    “My Name Is Earl” is nothing compared to “Trailer Park Boys”

    Ricky and Julian could kick Earl’s ass any day.

  • The Ol Goaler | November 25, 2009 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=”363237″]”Beast Mode” lol

    Did Nike actually employ copywriters to come up with these little tags for their riflery lines?

    Seems the whole Pro Combat “campaign” from its very foundation is just off-putting. They were onto something with their history/heritage idea last year for basketball:

    http://www.sportsbus...

    But the idea has just disappeared from public view. Maybe we’ll be so lucky with this new line.[/quote]
    Sigh… as a Mizzou alum, last year I hadda watch the Tigers wear this gawdawful get-up… now I gotta put up with THIS???

    The “Border War” OUGHT to look like THIS, dammit!!

  • Will L. | November 25, 2009 at 11:12 am |

    From the 1920 Phillies/Dodgers article:
    “The eleventh was a catastrophe. It was worse than that, but there are some things which do not look well in print.”

    Hilarious.

  • Bob Loblaw | November 25, 2009 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment=”363212″]For a lot of Met fans this picture represents what ‘could have been’ for their pitching staff… but now it represents what ‘could have been’ for their uniforms.[/quote]

    Generation Torn Labrum?

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment=”363239″][quote comment=”363238″]Your personal attacks on the Wilpons are absurd and way over the top. You need to calm down, really. Ad hominem attacks are evidence of the weakest argument.[/quote]

    No, the attacks are justified. When the same people screw up over and over and over again and show a continued lack of judgment they deserve it![/quote]

    Yup. How many hours do you have to watch a toddler try to cram a square peg into a round hole before you’re entitled to conclude the kid’s future probably isn’t gonna be in engineering?

    —Ricko

  • Gabe | November 25, 2009 at 11:24 am |

    http://blog.syracuse...

    Outdoor Hockey in the AHL in Syracuse, NY…first Outdoor game in the league history! Don’t know if this means some throwback or retro uniforms. This was a mess up here in Syracuse trying to get this event done and Sen. Chuck Schumer stepped in and got it done. Gonna be a really neat event!!

  • Mark K | November 25, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”363214″]About 10 years ago, Emporia State football had black and gold horizontal bands on the helmets (hornets – get it?). I haven’t found a picture yet.
    [/quote]

    Not a picture but shown on this site…

    http://www.inside99....

  • Oakville Endive | November 25, 2009 at 11:33 am |

    One of the things I’m thankful, is this blog takes issues – that bother me, but I don’t give ample thought to, and takes them to a whole new level – like the NY Mets uni debacle. As an Expos fan growing up – who disliked the Mets, almost as much as the Phillies, I’m only so sympathetic, but I see the same uniform loss of identity happening with the Toronto Blue Jays and other teams

    I wonder if the Cleveland Cavaliers – are mishandling their uniform identity with having so many unis. Players like Lebron James – are once in 50 years for a franchise, yet there isn’t one distinctive LeBron Cavaliers jersey. Are they selling more by having so many?

  • dkb | November 25, 2009 at 11:34 am |

    … Hmmm, interesting design. That’s Emporia State, a D-II school from Kansas (with thanks to Brian Hansen). …

    Reminds me of this experiment at UNC earlier in the decade.

  • jdreyfuss | November 25, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    Dear Paul,

    Now you know how we feel about Randy Lerner.

    Love,
    Everyone in Cleveland

  • BuckeyeMark | November 25, 2009 at 11:42 am |

    [quote comment=”363238″]Your personal attacks on the Wilpons are absurd and way over the top. You need to calm down, really. Ad hominem attacks are evidence of the weakest argument.[/quote]

    x100000 anybody really think the rich zillionaires care about uni drop shadows? someone in the organization comes up with this stuff and it gets approved up the chain of command. I seriously wonder if the Wilpons even see stuff like that.

    do the Wilpons bear responsibility? of course. but to act like they have a personal vendetta to ruin every Met fan’s life is more than a little over the top.

  • jdreyfuss | November 25, 2009 at 11:43 am |

    [quote comment=”363196″][quote comment=”363192″][quote comment=”363189″]
    pirates fan over here… ugh. i’m just thankful we have some of the best jerseys in baseball… well, 3 out of 4 ain’t bad:

    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    oh c’mon…you know you have one of these[/quote]

    lol! yeah, my first choice was “16 and counting”

    i love this though. perfect combination of over-price, logo creep, trademark, and uselessness:

    http://farm4.static....
    Something like this?

  • Paul M. | November 25, 2009 at 11:46 am |

    While I agree that black belongs no where near the Mets’ color scheme, my beef with the black dropshadow is that it is simply UGLY. It clutters the chest logo and leaves the players’ names almost illegible. It’s extremely frustrating to keep hearing that the dropshadow makes it “pop”.

    Secondly, while I hate the black, I actually prefer the black/blue hats to the blue hats…simply because they better match the uniform set. If the Wilpons intend on keeping black drop shadows, they might as well include some type of black on the hats for aesthetic purposes. Though they may consistently try and fail, they can’t have their cake and eat it too.

  • Justin Walsh | November 25, 2009 at 11:50 am |

    WTF I’m sick of these teams f*cking up the retro design. 49ers, Sixers, etc. And here, the Mets just top it off. They all have the right ideas, and are a BIG improvment of the past, just they always seem to minorly ruin the design which just screws the whole thing up. How the hell can you have a black dropshadow around the “Mets”? In fact, dropshadows have simply ruined uniforms in general.

    The 49ers f*cked theirs up by keeping their original logo on there helmet and neglecting to wear the striped socks.

    The Sixers were on the right idea (Block numbering/lettering, no dropshadow) but they had to ad stupid blue triangle designs by the armpit and neck.

    However, there are teams actually did it smart, such as the JETS, GIANTS, new TWINS saturday home uni (Don’t care for their road jerseys though).

    More to follow…

  • John Ekdahl | November 25, 2009 at 11:51 am |

    Today’s entry picked up by MetsBlog.com:

    http://www.metsblog....

  • muddlehead | November 25, 2009 at 11:51 am |

    sac state. causeway classic. sweet catch by a santa rosa bear cub grad for the hornets last minute w.

  • Tom | November 25, 2009 at 11:54 am |

    Thank you so much for this column. It’s amazing how the Coupons seem to royally screw up just about everything they do. If you kids can believe it, this town was once owned by the Mets. Now I can’t ever imagine that happening with these clowns up top.

  • Graf Zeppelin | November 25, 2009 at 11:54 am |

    The Mets have now officially surpassed the Oakland Raiders as the dumbest franchise in all of sports.

    Even though I think the drop-shadow is (at best) tolerable when worn with blue caps and undersleeves, this is just a ridiculous, completely unnecessary, and as has been increasingly and alarmingly the case, patently DISHONEST move by the Mets. If I see this beige jersey worn with the two-tone cap just once, I’m gonna lose it.

    The Mets and I have been ‘separated’ since the end of April, as I swore off watching this depressing team until after the Bar Exam, by which time they had managed to become even more depressing. I think now it’s time to start thinking about converting that separation into a divorce.

  • Ian in OR | November 25, 2009 at 11:57 am |

    Just a thought on adidas moving production of NBA game uniforms to overseas…

    Guess the crosstown douchebags are finally creeping into adidas HQ.

  • concealed78 | November 25, 2009 at 12:00 pm |

    I used to be a big fan of “My Name Is Earl”, until two seaons ago the formula & happy endings got to be really redundant, and then it had its Jumped the Shark moment when Paris Hilton appeared on a cheesy ‘Earl sitcom-dream’ episode. Same fate happened to “When I Met Your Mother”, evolved seasons turned into crappy writing & then Britney Spears appeared, basically the sitcom equivalent of putting black on a Mets uniform. Some people said, “Hey it’s not that bad”. No, it is bad. It is one of the worst things ever.

    The Mets front office is a victim of their own stupidity. If I recall in the mid-1990s, the Mets merchandise wasn’t selling very well, and the Mets discovered they could make a shitload of money “doing every possible combination wrong”. The Mets look wasn’t “legendary status” enough to leave it completely alone, and of course Modernists said “it was the perfect update”, which is their reasoning on tinkering with any uniform look.

  • JTH | November 25, 2009 at 12:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”363240″]”My Name Is Earl” is nothing compared to “Trailer Park Boys”

    Ricky and Julian could kick Earl’s ass any day.[/quote]
    True, but only because Earl’s a lover, not a fighter.

  • Mark L | November 25, 2009 at 12:02 pm |

    The San Fransisco Giants will have a new authentic this year…It is goin to be black with an orange brim with the “SF” on the front

  • Mark L | November 25, 2009 at 12:06 pm |

    the SF Giants will have a new hat..it’ll be black with an orange brim

  • JTH | November 25, 2009 at 12:09 pm |

    Has anyone here ever heard of “mummified” turkey?

    1) stuff a turkey with apples & celery (and possibly oranges).
    2) cover turkey in bacon strips.
    3) take a roll of cotton gauze and wrap the entire turkey with it. As you’re wrapping, soak the gauze with melted butter.
    4) slow-cook at 275 degrees.

    I was just at the dentist and the hygienist told me that was going to be her contribution to her family’s Thanksgiving meal. She said she’s using a 10-pounder.

  • Will | November 25, 2009 at 12:09 pm |

    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution is letting readers vote on retro NFL unis.

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | November 25, 2009 at 12:12 pm |

    Having been all worked up by the other Nike Rifelry unis, I failed to notice until now the black Mizzou decal on the helmet… wtf?

    Although, I must say I do dig the pants… as I did (dare I say it because of my hatred for the sooners) the OU pants.

  • MPowers1634 | November 25, 2009 at 12:12 pm |

    Missouri Riflery:

    Beast Mode…MODE is a secret acronym that the Tigers use.

  • pflava | November 25, 2009 at 12:15 pm |

    I’ve always thought the black dropshadow on the Mets jersey made the wordmark clunky (the opposite of making it pop) from a distance. Let’s call it “blobulous”.

    I think a good rule of thumb regarding outlines on lettering and numbering is that you never, ever need more than one. If you have a blue script with an orange outline, you are done. No need for the dropshadow. Or if you have a blue jersey with white numbering and a red outline, you are done. Don’t throw silver in there just because you can.

  • LI Phil | November 25, 2009 at 12:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”363266″]Missouri Riflery:

    Beast Mode…MODE is a secret acronym that the Tigers use.[/quote]

    Motivation, Opportunity, Desire, Enthusiasm

    /and $100K from nike

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 25, 2009 at 12:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”363256″]If you kids can believe it, this town was once owned by the Mets.[/quote]
    Um, no.

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | November 25, 2009 at 12:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”363263″]Has anyone here ever heard of “mummified” turkey?

    1) stuff a turkey with apples & celery (and possibly oranges).
    2) cover turkey in bacon strips.
    3) take a roll of cotton gauze and wrap the entire turkey with it. As you’re wrapping, soak the gauze with melted butter.
    4) slow-cook at 275 degrees.

    I was just at the dentist and the hygienist told me that was going to be her contribution to her family’s Thanksgiving meal. She said she’s using a 10-pounder.[/quote]

    Obviously heard of covering the turkey with butter soaked cheesecloth for the first couple of hours of cooking time, but bacon???

  • LI Phil | November 25, 2009 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”363263″]
    3) take a roll of cotton gauze and wrap the entire turkey with it. As you’re wrapping, soak the gauze with melted butter.[/quote]

    wait… you are supposed to remove the gauze before eating, right?

  • Tom | November 25, 2009 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment=\”363269\”][quote comment=\”363256\”]If you kids can believe it, this town was once owned by the Mets.[/quote]
    Um, no.[/quote]

    Um, yes. Just look at the attendance figures up until the mid 90\’s. First team to 3 million? The Mets. Look at the TV ratings in the 80\’s. Mets were far ahead. It was the Yanks looking to move to Jersey, not the Mets. Anyone who thinks this town was always owned by the Yanks is either deluded or just plain lying.

  • Kev86 | November 25, 2009 at 12:25 pm |

    Before a site like UniWatch, I thought I was slightly crazy being into jerseys, uniforms, numbers, etc as much as I was. I take them seriously and like discussing them.

    I am a die-hrad Mets fan and I have to say, they have no clue what they are doing.

    A retro Mets jersey does not include shadowing in the lettering. Period.

    The majority of hardcore Mets fans cant stand the black jerseys.

    Our team colors are blue and orange.

    These new jerseys are another embrassment and proves once again the Mets have little pulse as to what their fans truly want.

    The Mets make me sick ( but I will still root for them)

  • SWC Susan (aka Tex) | November 25, 2009 at 12:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”363266″]Missouri Riflery:

    Beast Mode…MODE is a secret acronym that the Tigers use.[/quote]

    According to Tigerboard.com – Motivation, Opportunity, Desire, Enthusiasm

  • jesse | November 25, 2009 at 12:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”363270″][quote comment=”363263″]Has anyone here ever heard of “mummified” turkey?

    1) stuff a turkey with apples & celery (and possibly oranges).
    2) cover turkey in bacon strips.
    3) take a roll of cotton gauze and wrap the entire turkey with it. As you’re wrapping, soak the gauze with melted butter.
    4) slow-cook at 275 degrees.

    I was just at the dentist and the hygienist told me that was going to be her contribution to her family’s Thanksgiving meal. She said she’s using a 10-pounder.[/quote]

    Obviously heard of covering the turkey with butter soaked cheesecloth for the first couple of hours of cooking time, but bacon???[/quote]
    The process is called “barding”

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 25, 2009 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”363272″][quote comment=\”363269\”][quote comment=\”363256\”]If you kids can believe it, this town was once owned by the Mets.[/quote]
    Um, no.[/quote]

    Um, yes. Just look at the attendance figures up until the mid 90\’s. First team to 3 million? The Mets. Look at the TV ratings in the 80\’s. Mets were far ahead. It was the Yanks looking to move to Jersey, not the Mets. Anyone who thinks this town was always owned by the Yanks is either deluded or just plain lying.[/quote]
    The Mets were a fad. They’ve been found out now.

  • Kev86 | November 25, 2009 at 12:30 pm |

    Suprised the Mets didnt go with Brooklyn across the front.

    For a Mets fan with Giants roots ( my father was a Giants fan and hated the Yanks and Dodgers) the Wilpons make me ill.

    For the record, the Jackie Robinson Rotunda should be out in LA with his Dodger records. Guy never played an inning for the Mets.

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • Justin Walsh | November 25, 2009 at 12:31 pm |

    Kev86, well said. I can’t agree more. Only if the Mets organization would see eye to eye.

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 25, 2009 at 12:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”363276″][quote comment=”363272″][quote comment=\”363269\”][quote comment=\”363256\”]If you kids can believe it, this town was once owned by the Mets.[/quote]
    Um, no.[/quote]

    Um, yes. Just look at the attendance figures up until the mid 90\’s. First team to 3 million? The Mets. Look at the TV ratings in the 80\’s. Mets were far ahead. It was the Yanks looking to move to Jersey, not the Mets. Anyone who thinks this town was always owned by the Yanks is either deluded or just plain lying.[/quote]
    The Mets were a fad. They’ve been found out now.[/quote]
    It’s easy to have a small period of success. Lots of teams have done it. But when both teams are good, the Mets are like the Jets… second banana.

  • Kev86 | November 25, 2009 at 12:33 pm |

    Hey Mets,

    Nobody likes the drop shadow you dopes.

    And thanks for the press release that the new stadium will reflect the Mets.

    The Mets front office is as sharp as a marble.

    I deserve better.

  • Tom | November 25, 2009 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”363264″]The Atlanta Journal-Constitution is letting readers vote on retro NFL unis.[/quote]

    Last entry mistakes the bolts regular Alt with the 1963 uniform.

  • subway | November 25, 2009 at 12:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”363257″]The Mets have now officially surpassed the Oakland Raiders as the dumbest franchise in all of sports.

    Even though I think the drop-shadow is (at best) tolerable when worn with blue caps and undersleeves, this is just a ridiculous, completely unnecessary, and as has been increasingly and alarmingly the case, patently DISHONEST move by the Mets. If I see this beige jersey worn with the two-tone cap just once, I’m gonna lose it.

    The Mets and I have been ‘separated’ since the end of April, as I swore off watching this depressing team until after the Bar Exam, by which time they had managed to become even more depressing. I think now it’s time to start thinking about converting that separation into a divorce.[/quote]
    Who do you plan on cheering for afterwards?

    I got to think that there is a clumsier organization out there (the Blackhawks were until Bill Wirtz died) but I can’t think of one off the top of my head.
    May the owner of your favorite team never let his son become a major part of the organization. After one playoff less season, the Yankees replace Hank Steinbrenner with Hal and they win a World Series. Doesn’t Fred have another son? Jeff even makes James Dolan look smart sometimes!

  • Tom | November 25, 2009 at 12:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”363279″][quote comment=”363276″][quote comment=”363272″][quote comment=\”363269\”][quote comment=\”363256\”]If you kids can believe it, this town was once owned by the Mets.[/quote]
    Um, no.[/quote]

    Um, yes. Just look at the attendance figures up until the mid 90\’s. First team to 3 million? The Mets. Look at the TV ratings in the 80\’s. Mets were far ahead. It was the Yanks looking to move to Jersey, not the Mets. Anyone who thinks this town was always owned by the Yanks is either deluded or just plain lying.[/quote]
    The Mets were a fad. They’ve been found out now.[/quote]
    It’s easy to have a small period of success. Lots of teams have done it. But when both teams are good, the Mets are like the Jets… second banana.[/quote]

    Ha, so now I’ve at least you’ve gotten you to admit that the Mets were more popular at times than the Yanks even though it was just a “fad”. I guess it was a fad also when the Mets outdrew the Yanks throughout the 60’s even though the Mets absolutely sucked those years. I’ve got news for you – if the Yanks ever start sucking it up for a few years (which I know won’t happen til a salary cap is put in place) and the Mets win a title or two, I guarantee you the town will be painted in blue and orange. This town is full of front-runners although of course no one will ever admit to being one.

  • JTH | November 25, 2009 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”363271″][quote comment=”363263″]
    3) take a roll of cotton gauze and wrap the entire turkey with it. As you’re wrapping, soak the gauze with melted butter.[/quote]

    wait… you are supposed to remove the gauze before eating, right?[/quote]
    Sure, if you’re a pansy.

  • Kev86 | November 25, 2009 at 12:49 pm |

    sadly, if people continue to buy the mets merchandise with black in it and continue to buy 15 dollar burgers from the shake shake, the wilpons could care less.

    The Shea Bridge sounds dumb if Im being honest too. Should have created a “Shea Way” someplace.

  • JTH | November 25, 2009 at 12:53 pm |

    Earlier today, this song popped into my head for some reason.

    I thought about it and some of the lyrics seem oddly fitting given today’s post, particularly at the end of the song

    If you think of this part from the point of view of Paul, Phil and the rest of the disgruntled Mets fans:
    All that’s sacred, comes from youth
    Dedication, naive and true
    With no power, and nothing to do
    I still remember, why don’t you… don’t you?

    And then this is Mets management’s response:
    This is not for you
    This is not for you
    This is not for you
    Oh, never was for you

    Fuck you

    This is not for you
    Oh, this is not for you… yeah, you
    This is not for you
    Oh, not for you
    Oh, you…

  • jdreyfuss | November 25, 2009 at 12:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”363282″][quote comment=”363257″]The Mets have now officially surpassed the Oakland Raiders as the dumbest franchise in all of sports.

    Even though I think the drop-shadow is (at best) tolerable when worn with blue caps and undersleeves, this is just a ridiculous, completely unnecessary, and as has been increasingly and alarmingly the case, patently DISHONEST move by the Mets. If I see this beige jersey worn with the two-tone cap just once, I’m gonna lose it.

    The Mets and I have been ‘separated’ since the end of April, as I swore off watching this depressing team until after the Bar Exam, by which time they had managed to become even more depressing. I think now it’s time to start thinking about converting that separation into a divorce.[/quote]
    Who do you plan on cheering for afterwards?

    I got to think that there is a clumsier organization out there (the Blackhawks were until Bill Wirtz died) but I can’t think of one off the top of my head.
    May the owner of your favorite team never let his son become a major part of the organization. After one playoff less season, the Yankees replace Hank Steinbrenner with Hal and they win a World Series. Doesn’t Fred have another son? Jeff even makes James Dolan look smart sometimes![/quote]
    The Browns have done everything possible to alienate their fanbase. There are people who think the team is planning to trade Josh Cribbs just to spite the fans. The culture of incompetence has been running so strong that fans are attributing it to malice. And yes, it’s a team that was bequeathed from a semicompetent owner to his admittedly incompetent son.

  • Joe | November 25, 2009 at 12:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”363283″][quote comment=”363279″][quote comment=”363276″][quote comment=”363272″][quote comment=\”363269\”][quote comment=\”363256\”]If you kids can believe it, this town was once owned by the Mets.[/quote]
    Um, no.[/quote]

    Um, yes. Just look at the attendance figures up until the mid 90\’s. First team to 3 million? The Mets. Look at the TV ratings in the 80\’s. Mets were far ahead. It was the Yanks looking to move to Jersey, not the Mets. Anyone who thinks this town was always owned by the Yanks is either deluded or just plain lying.[/quote]
    The Mets were a fad. They’ve been found out now.[/quote]
    It’s easy to have a small period of success. Lots of teams have done it. But when both teams are good, the Mets are like the Jets… second banana.[/quote]

    Ha, so now I’ve at least you’ve gotten you to admit that the Mets were more popular at times than the Yanks even though it was just a “fad”. I guess it was a fad also when the Mets outdrew the Yanks throughout the 60’s even though the Mets absolutely sucked those years. I’ve got news for you – if the Yanks ever start sucking it up for a few years (which I know won’t happen til a salary cap is put in place) and the Mets win a title or two, I guarantee you the town will be painted in blue and orange. This town is full of front-runners although of course no one will ever admit to being one.[/quote]

    No offense man but attendance numbers and such just dont really mean anything. The city has been and will always be a Yankees city just for the fact of how dominant the Yankees have been in the franchise’s history. The ONLY reason i can see NYC being painted orange and blue if the Mets do win a world series or two is because we both know the Mets do not have winning seasons year after year like the yankees do. Theres just something really sweet about going from bad to WS champs that NYC seems to love. The Yankees are expected to win year after year and it can get a bit monotonous for the NY Fan. They are looking for something different and if the Mets can pull it out and give the fans that different, then yes NYC will love them, possibly more then the yankees at that present time, but in no way will it ever change what the Yankees have done for the city and the impact have here in the bronx.

  • JTH | November 25, 2009 at 12:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”363275″][quote comment=”363270″][quote comment=”363263″]Has anyone here ever heard of “mummified” turkey?

    1) stuff a turkey with apples & celery (and possibly oranges).
    2) cover turkey in bacon strips.
    3) take a roll of cotton gauze and wrap the entire turkey with it. As you’re wrapping, soak the gauze with melted butter.
    4) slow-cook at 275 degrees.

    I was just at the dentist and the hygienist told me that was going to be her contribution to her family’s Thanksgiving meal. She said she’s using a 10-pounder.[/quote]

    Obviously heard of covering the turkey with butter soaked cheesecloth for the first couple of hours of cooking time, but bacon???[/quote]
    The process is called “barding”[/quote]
    That sounds a lot better than “mummified.”

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 25, 2009 at 1:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”363283″][quote comment=”363279″][quote comment=”363276″][quote comment=”363272″][quote comment=\”363269\”][quote comment=\”363256\”]If you kids can believe it, this town was once owned by the Mets.[/quote]
    Um, no.[/quote]

    Um, yes. Just look at the attendance figures up until the mid 90\’s. First team to 3 million? The Mets. Look at the TV ratings in the 80\’s. Mets were far ahead. It was the Yanks looking to move to Jersey, not the Mets. Anyone who thinks this town was always owned by the Yanks is either deluded or just plain lying.[/quote]
    The Mets were a fad. They’ve been found out now.[/quote]
    It’s easy to have a small period of success. Lots of teams have done it. But when both teams are good, the Mets are like the Jets… second banana.[/quote]

    Ha, so now I’ve at least you’ve gotten you to admit that the Mets were more popular at times than the Yanks even though it was just a “fad”. I guess it was a fad also when the Mets outdrew the Yanks throughout the 60’s even though the Mets absolutely sucked those years. I’ve got news for you – if the Yanks ever start sucking it up for a few years (which I know won’t happen til a salary cap is put in place) and the Mets win a title or two, I guarantee you the town will be painted in blue and orange. This town is full of front-runners although of course no one will ever admit to being one.[/quote]
    If you’re going to argue, at least read what I wrote. The real test is when BOTH TEAMS ARE GOOD. What do you suppose happens then?

  • Bob Loblaw | November 25, 2009 at 1:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”363282″][quote comment=”363257″]The Mets have now officially surpassed the Oakland Raiders as the dumbest franchise in all of sports.

    Even though I think the drop-shadow is (at best) tolerable when worn with blue caps and undersleeves, this is just a ridiculous, completely unnecessary, and as has been increasingly and alarmingly the case, patently DISHONEST move by the Mets. If I see this beige jersey worn with the two-tone cap just once, I’m gonna lose it.

    The Mets and I have been ‘separated’ since the end of April, as I swore off watching this depressing team until after the Bar Exam, by which time they had managed to become even more depressing. I think now it’s time to start thinking about converting that separation into a divorce.[/quote]
    Who do you plan on cheering for afterwards?

    I got to think that there is a clumsier organization out there (the Blackhawks were until Bill Wirtz died) but I can’t think of one off the top of my head.
    May the owner of your favorite team never let his son become a major part of the organization. After one playoff less season, the Yankees replace Hank Steinbrenner with Hal and they win a World Series. Doesn’t Fred have another son? Jeff even makes James Dolan look smart sometimes![/quote]
    hmmm, interesting.

    1. Malcom Glazer’s sons have singlehandedly (can you say that when there’s 2 of them?) destroyed Manchester United.

    2. I certainly hope Jerry Jones has some offspring that have the time & inclination to help ruin that franchise.

    3. Could this phenomena be reversed if say a moron like Dan Snyder ‘s progeny get involved? After all, after Dan, there’s only UP, no?

    4. Lastly, it’s a weak argument as the franchise was and is a flagship —but the NYGiants are at least as successful w/ John Mara and Tisch Jr. running the shop, no?

  • Skycat | November 25, 2009 at 1:03 pm |

    If the purpose of creating multiple jerseys and hats is to sell merchandise, I wonder how successful that ploy is. If you have fewer choices, you have an easier decision to make as to which one to purchase. When a team has several options on how to dress, it suggests to me that the team has an identity crisis and the fan is confused as to which model actually represents his team. Of course, the source of confusion for the Mets is that historically they are linked with the Dodgers and Giants and have incorporated their predecessors’ colors into their uniforms. Perhaps they would have been better off if they had created their own identity from scratch and used completely different colors.

  • Jon in SLC | November 25, 2009 at 1:06 pm |

    Happy Thanksgiving to Paul, Phil, Ek, Kirsten and everyone with Uni Watch. You are one of the small joys that I am thankful for.

  • Bob Loblaw | November 25, 2009 at 1:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”363283″][quote comment=”363279″][quote comment=”363276″][quote comment=”363272″][quote comment=\”363269\”][quote comment=\”363256\”]If you kids can believe it, this town was once owned by the Mets.[/quote]
    Um, no.[/quote]

    Um, yes. Just look at the attendance figures up until the mid 90\’s. First team to 3 million? The Mets. Look at the TV ratings in the 80\’s. Mets were far ahead. It was the Yanks looking to move to Jersey, not the Mets. Anyone who thinks this town was always owned by the Yanks is either deluded or just plain lying.[/quote]
    The Mets were a fad. They’ve been found out now.[/quote]
    It’s easy to have a small period of success. Lots of teams have done it. But when both teams are good, the Mets are like the Jets… second banana.[/quote]

    Ha, so now I’ve at least you’ve gotten you to admit that the Mets were more popular at times than the Yanks even though it was just a “fad”. I guess it was a fad also when the Mets outdrew the Yanks throughout the 60’s even though the Mets absolutely sucked those years. I’ve got news for you – if the Yanks ever start sucking it up for a few years (which I know won’t happen til a salary cap is put in place) and the Mets win a title or two, I guarantee you the town will be painted in blue and orange. This town is full of front-runners although of course no one will ever admit to being one.[/quote]FACT!

    so true Tom… i recall walking on Wall St the day after a World Series clinching game and seeing seas of Twins hats!!!!!

    Twins!!!!! Mind you, that would not be so laughable or out of place in Minneapolis or St. Paul, but in Downtown Manhattan…. WTF!!! That’s one example and closer to home as it were: after the fall of ’96 everyone was a Yankme/Derek Jeter fan —when just two yrs. earlier, i sat at the stadium and they were announcing crowds of 24k for the brewers or tigers.

    New Yorkers are pathetic, don’t let them tell you otherwise–don’t buy the ‘greatest city in the world’ tripe.

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 1:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”363289″][quote comment=”363283″][quote comment=”363279″][quote comment=”363276″][quote comment=”363272″][quote comment=\”363269\”][quote comment=\”363256\”]If you kids can believe it, this town was once owned by the Mets.[/quote]
    Um, no.[/quote]

    Um, yes. Just look at the attendance figures up until the mid 90\’s. First team to 3 million? The Mets. Look at the TV ratings in the 80\’s. Mets were far ahead. It was the Yanks looking to move to Jersey, not the Mets. Anyone who thinks this town was always owned by the Yanks is either deluded or just plain lying.[/quote]
    The Mets were a fad. They’ve been found out now.[/quote]
    It’s easy to have a small period of success. Lots of teams have done it. But when both teams are good, the Mets are like the Jets… second banana.[/quote]

    Ha, so now I’ve at least you’ve gotten you to admit that the Mets were more popular at times than the Yanks even though it was just a “fad”. I guess it was a fad also when the Mets outdrew the Yanks throughout the 60’s even though the Mets absolutely sucked those years. I’ve got news for you – if the Yanks ever start sucking it up for a few years (which I know won’t happen til a salary cap is put in place) and the Mets win a title or two, I guarantee you the town will be painted in blue and orange. This town is full of front-runners although of course no one will ever admit to being one.[/quote]

    No offense man but attendance numbers and such just dont really mean anything. The city has been and will always be a Yankees city just for the fact of how dominant the Yankees have been in the franchise’s history. The ONLY reason i can see NYC being painted orange and blue if the Mets do win a world series or two is because we both know the Mets do not have winning seasons year after year like the yankees do. Theres just something really sweet about going from bad to WS champs that NYC seems to love. The Yankees are expected to win year after year and it can get a bit monotonous for the NY Fan. They are looking for something different and if the Mets can pull it out and give the fans that different, then yes NYC will love them, possibly more then the yankees at that present time, but in no way will it ever change what the Yankees have done for the city and the impact have here in the bronx.[/quote]

    Most of the repliers (read that, “Oh, yeah? Well…”) are missing the point. No one claimed anything other than that for a couple of periods in their history the Mets have been the hotter show in town, in terms of general attention and the adoration of the unaffiliated, casual fan.

    One of those periods happened to roughly coincide with a time when Yankees really were pretty awful.

    No one, originally, about debating which team draws/drew more people, etc. Was a simple statement there have been times when the Mets were the darling.

    And that’s true. Just because someone doesn’t remember it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t so.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | November 25, 2009 at 1:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”363291″][quote comment=”363283″][quote comment=”363279″][quote comment=”363276″][quote comment=”363272″][quote comment=\”363269\”][quote comment=\”363256\”]If you kids can believe it, this town was once owned by the Mets.[/quote]
    Um, no.[/quote]

    Um, yes. Just look at the attendance figures up until the mid 90\’s. First team to 3 million? The Mets. Look at the TV ratings in the 80\’s. Mets were far ahead. It was the Yanks looking to move to Jersey, not the Mets. Anyone who thinks this town was always owned by the Yanks is either deluded or just plain lying.[/quote]
    The Mets were a fad. They’ve been found out now.[/quote]
    It’s easy to have a small period of success. Lots of teams have done it. But when both teams are good, the Mets are like the Jets… second banana.[/quote]

    Ha, so now I’ve at least you’ve gotten you to admit that the Mets were more popular at times than the Yanks even though it was just a “fad”. I guess it was a fad also when the Mets outdrew the Yanks throughout the 60’s even though the Mets absolutely sucked those years. I’ve got news for you – if the Yanks ever start sucking it up for a few years (which I know won’t happen til a salary cap is put in place) and the Mets win a title or two, I guarantee you the town will be painted in blue and orange. This town is full of front-runners although of course no one will ever admit to being one.[/quote]
    If you’re going to argue, at least read what I wrote. The real test is when BOTH TEAMS ARE GOOD. What do you suppose happens then?[/quote]

    ok fellas…i love a good argument as much as anyone…but this one is going nowhere

    at least if you’re going to resopnd to one another, can you just quote the last person? thanks!

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 25, 2009 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”363296″][quote comment=”363289″][quote comment=”363283″][quote comment=”363279″][quote comment=”363276″][quote comment=”363272″][quote comment=\”363269\”][quote comment=\”363256\”]If you kids can believe it, this town was once owned by the Mets.[/quote]
    Um, no.[/quote]

    Um, yes. Just look at the attendance figures up until the mid 90\’s. First team to 3 million? The Mets. Look at the TV ratings in the 80\’s. Mets were far ahead. It was the Yanks looking to move to Jersey, not the Mets. Anyone who thinks this town was always owned by the Yanks is either deluded or just plain lying.[/quote]
    The Mets were a fad. They’ve been found out now.[/quote]
    It’s easy to have a small period of success. Lots of teams have done it. But when both teams are good, the Mets are like the Jets… second banana.[/quote]

    Ha, so now I’ve at least you’ve gotten you to admit that the Mets were more popular at times than the Yanks even though it was just a “fad”. I guess it was a fad also when the Mets outdrew the Yanks throughout the 60’s even though the Mets absolutely sucked those years. I’ve got news for you – if the Yanks ever start sucking it up for a few years (which I know won’t happen til a salary cap is put in place) and the Mets win a title or two, I guarantee you the town will be painted in blue and orange. This town is full of front-runners although of course no one will ever admit to being one.[/quote]

    No offense man but attendance numbers and such just dont really mean anything. The city has been and will always be a Yankees city just for the fact of how dominant the Yankees have been in the franchise’s history. The ONLY reason i can see NYC being painted orange and blue if the Mets do win a world series or two is because we both know the Mets do not have winning seasons year after year like the yankees do. Theres just something really sweet about going from bad to WS champs that NYC seems to love. The Yankees are expected to win year after year and it can get a bit monotonous for the NY Fan. They are looking for something different and if the Mets can pull it out and give the fans that different, then yes NYC will love them, possibly more then the yankees at that present time, but in no way will it ever change what the Yankees have done for the city and the impact have here in the bronx.[/quote]

    Most of the repliers (read that, “Oh, yeah? Well…”) are missing the point. No one claimed anything other than that for a couple of periods in their history the Mets have been the hotter show in town, in terms of general attention and the adoration of the unaffiliated, casual fan.

    One of those periods happened to roughly coincide with a time when Yankees really were pretty awful.

    No one, originally, about debating which team draws/drew more people, etc. Was a simple statement there have been times when the Mets were the darling.

    And that’s true. Just because someone doesn’t remember it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t so.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    We can argue the semantics here all day. The Mets have never ‘owned’ this town. They have a HUGE fan base that gets passionate as hell when the Mets are good… but they have never ‘owned’ the town.

  • Matthew Hackethal | November 25, 2009 at 1:18 pm |

    Today’s Wall Street Journal has an article regarding professional teams’ “sorry” letters to fans after poor seasons. They mashed together several letters into one and created a mashed-up logo of all the teams they quote in the letter. Fantastic!

    http://s.wsj.net/pub...

  • Steven Wyder | November 25, 2009 at 1:19 pm |

    Paul,
    Nice reference to the Declaration of Independence. Get well soon, and Thanks for the great content.
    Uni Watch is one of several things to be thankful for this year.

    Cheers,
    Stevie

  • JTH | November 25, 2009 at 1:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”363298″]
    We can argue the semantics here all day. The Mets have never ‘owned’ this town. They have a HUGE fan base that gets passionate as hell when the Mets are good… but they have never ‘owned’ the town.[/quote]
    Fine. They leased it for a few years.

    Happy now?

  • Matthew Hackethal | November 25, 2009 at 1:21 pm |

    here is the actual article with the refeences from the letter.

    http://online.wsj.co...

  • stanleecup | November 25, 2009 at 1:28 pm |

    1) Why did this “news” merit a multi-paragraph press release and an e-mail blast? Look, here’s all you need: “You know that pinstriped uni we never wear? Next year it’ll be beige instead of white,” the end. You can put that on Twitter and still have enough characters left for a few Willie Randolph jokes.

    Sometimes it’s nice to see the teams actually get to disseminate their own information (spin) on a subject and not get “leaked” by 3rd party bloggers and logo “savants”. I give Thanks for that.

  • Paul Lukas | November 25, 2009 at 1:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”363300″]Paul,
    Nice reference to the Declaration of Independence.[/quote]

    Was wondering if anyone would notice. Thanks, Stevie.

  • LI Phil | November 25, 2009 at 1:31 pm |

    there are many reasons the mets will never ditch the black

    the fact that the cream dropshadows are going on sale on black friday is no coincidence either

    but there is good news for those who shop early on black friday:

    “From 8:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m., the new pinstripe jersey will be 20 percent off, Season Ticket Holders will receive 40 percent off all regularly priced merchandise, and all fans will get 35 percent off regularly priced merchandise. The new pinstripe jersey will be 15 percent off from 10:00 a.m. until the store closes at 5:00 p.m. After 10:00 a.m., the following schedule will apply for regularly priced items:

    10:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m.: 30 percent off
    12:00 p.m. – 2:00 p.m.: 25 percent off
    2:00 p.m. – 5:00 p.m.: 20 percent off”

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 25, 2009 at 1:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”363301″][quote comment=”363298″]
    We can argue the semantics here all day. The Mets have never ‘owned’ this town. They have a HUGE fan base that gets passionate as hell when the Mets are good… but they have never ‘owned’ the town.[/quote]
    Fine. They leased it for a few years.

    Happy now?[/quote]
    More like “borrowed it while big bro was away without his permission” but, ok.

  • JimV19 | November 25, 2009 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”363198″]Doesn’t the NBA have some say in the Adidas moving the uniform making out of the USA deal? I know the two are in the middle of a 11 year agreement, but surely the NBA can do something? I mean c’mon…this is America[/quote]

    I’d like to hear more from the adidas side. Yeah, they sound like the bad guys (and they might be) but are they getting taxed out the wazoo in upstate NY? My guess is most likely. Maybe the NBA has a say in the move. Could be some other factor. All I know is, I’m not a fan of big business, but my days of “business=bad, government=good” are long gone. Both are imperfect at best. I want to hear from all sides before I form an opinion.

    As Big Matt said, though, this is America. There are a lot of other places in this country where they could go. Or they could work out a deal to stay put. Whichever, just make it happen.

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”363301″][quote comment=”363298″]
    We can argue the semantics here all day. The Mets have never ‘owned’ this town. They have a HUGE fan base that gets passionate as hell when the Mets are good… but they have never ‘owned’ the town.[/quote]
    Fine. They leased it for a few years.

    Happy now?[/quote]

    I think maybe someone has to have been around and aware in 1969 and during the Yankees’ sucky seasons to understand that the references were to media attention, being the topic of conversation among serious baseball fans, and interest shown by casual fans. In that sense, there decidedly WAS a shift over to the Mets on occasion. And THAT’s what the original past was about.

    “Qwning the town” doesn’t have to last very long, or have empirical data to support it, to be true. It isn’t an empirical sort of thing, anyway.

    All he was saying was that it seems kind of hard to believe these days. Which apparently is true, because some Yankee fans evidently can’t, or refuse to, believe it ever was so.

    He wasn’t looking for a debate. Because there isn’t one. He said nothing untrue.

    “What? My team hasn’t always be super colossal number one?” No, it hasn’t. A) It was a real bad organization there for a few years, and B) the Mets have been accorded the center ring once in a while.

    Someone would have to have no sense of reality to contend that in the fall of ’69 the Mets weren’t the talk of baseball and sports, in New York and elsewhere. And that’s the kind of thing he meant—and what IS meant—by “owning the town” for a while.

    Live with it. Jeez.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | November 25, 2009 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”363307″][quote comment=”363198″]Doesn’t the NBA have some say in the Adidas moving the uniform making out of the USA deal? I know the two are in the middle of a 11 year agreement, but surely the NBA can do something? I mean c’mon…this is America[/quote]

    I’d like to hear more from the adidas side. Yeah, they sound like the bad guys (and they might be) but are they getting taxed out the wazoo in upstate NY? My guess is most likely. Maybe the NBA has a say in the move. Could be some other factor. All I know is, I’m not a fan of big business, but my days of “business=bad, government=good” are long gone. Both are imperfect at best. I want to hear from all sides before I form an opinion.

    As Big Matt said, though, this is America. There are a lot of other places in this country where they could go. Or they could work out a deal to stay put. Whichever, just make it happen.[/quote]

    Okay, I don’t think these words were in the ESPN article I read yesterday:

    “In a statement, Adidas said it was consolidating its supply chain and moving production closer to the source of uniform materials.”

    “The Adidas Group continues to produce uniforms for professional, college and other amateur teams at more than 30 facilities in North America and will continue to do so moving forward,” Adidas said.

    So there are other places in America to do the unis. Sounds as if there’s room for a compromise.

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 25, 2009 at 2:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”363308″][quote comment=”363301″][quote comment=”363298″]
    We can argue the semantics here all day. The Mets have never ‘owned’ this town. They have a HUGE fan base that gets passionate as hell when the Mets are good… but they have never ‘owned’ the town.[/quote]
    Fine. They leased it for a few years.

    Happy now?[/quote]

    I think maybe someone has to have been around and aware in 1969 and during the Yankees’ sucky seasons to understand that the references were to media attention, being the topic of conversation among serious baseball fans, and interest shown by casual fans. In that sense, there decidedly WAS a shift over to the Mets on occasion. And THAT’s what the original past was about.

    “Qwning the town” doesn’t have to last very long, or have empirical data to support it, to be true. It isn’t an empirical sort of thing, anyway.

    All he was saying was that it seems kind of hard to believe these days. Which apparently is true, because some Yankee fans evidently can’t, or refuse to, believe it ever was so.

    He wasn’t looking for a debate. Because there isn’t one. He said nothing untrue.

    “What? My team hasn’t always be super colossal number one?” No, it hasn’t. A) It was a real bad organization there for a few years, and B) the Mets have been accorded the center ring once in a while.

    Someone would have to have no sense of reality to contend that in the fall of ’69 the Mets weren’t the talk of baseball and sports, in New York and elsewhere. And that’s the kind of thing he meant—and what IS meant—by “owning the town” for a while.

    Live with it. Jeez.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    First of all, it’s not like I don’t get it. I’m a Jet fan so I understand about being second fiddle in a town. Periods of success? Sure. Points in time when most of the attention was on them? Yes. But to me the test ISN’T when one team is good and the other is not. Show me a period when both are good and that’ll tell you who owns the town.

    Secondly, my ‘smug, Yankee-fan superiority’ is, no doubt, infuriating. Your ‘I’m older so I must know better’ is too.

  • Paul Lukas | November 25, 2009 at 2:04 pm |

    And that’s enough on the who-owned-what discussion, the end. Let’s move on. Thanks.

  • Jon | November 25, 2009 at 2:09 pm |

    While I get that some people believe the black dropshadow works for them (it pops!), I believe it ruins the look entirely. I will not try to convince the ignorant dropshadow-lovers they are misguided, but I do ask them to take a look at the Twins’ sublime new throwback/retro alternate, which is sans dropshadow. See?

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 25, 2009 at 2:22 pm |

    The problem the Mets are gonna have with all these little changes is that when the highlight history of the team is put together it’ll be a big mess… Seaver in pinstripes, Doc Gooden, etc with stripes down the sleeves, Bernard Gilkey in his ice cream suit, Piazza in black, David Wright in cream… too many changes. You look at most teams with history and there’s a distinct connection between periods. Jeter looks like Gehrig, Youkilis looks like Ted Williams, Derek Lee looks like Ernie Banks, Andre Ethier looks like Jackie Robinson…

  • Steve P | November 25, 2009 at 2:24 pm |

    Paul….outstanding article. The Mets got my hopes up when they said they were creating a retro jersey that would be based on the 1969 jerseys (and the “positive response” that they received). Well, I should have known better. These are the Wilpons we are talking about. They essentially said “we listened to what the fans wanted and we gave them something completely different.” Couldn’t they have just thrown us a bone this one time? Making this a true retro uni would have gone a long way in making those of us who hate the black very, very happy. But instead, they just insult our intelligence (again) and tell us we should be excited about(and eager to spend $129.95 on) a jersey whose differences from the previous one can only be noticed when it is pointed out (maybe that’s why they issued the press release).

    You are right on the money, Paul. Only the Mets can screw up a uniform that is based on a design that already exists. Someone needs to tell them that virtually every other team has dropped black as an added team color years ago. But that’s been the Mets MO for years…take everybody else’s bad ideas and run with them.

    Maybe we’ll get a Turn Back the Clock to Turn Forward the Clock Day and see the Mercury Mets again. Anything for a buck.

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 25, 2009 at 2:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”363314″]The problem the Mets are gonna have with all these little changes is that when the highlight history of the team is put together it’ll be a big mess… Seaver in pinstripes, Doc Gooden, etc with stripes down the sleeves, Bernard Gilkey in his ice cream suit, Piazza in black, David Wright in cream… too many changes. You look at most teams with history and there’s a distinct connection between periods. Jeter looks like Gehrig, Youkilis looks like Ted Williams, Derek Lee looks like Ernie Banks, Andre Ethier looks like Jackie Robinson…[/quote]
    It drives me crazy that the day Jeter broke Gehrig’s record they were wearing those idiotic red hats. I’m gonna have to look at those things forever now.

  • SoCalDrew | November 25, 2009 at 2:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”363240″]”My Name Is Earl” is nothing compared to “Trailer Park Boys”

    Ricky and Julian could kick Earl’s ass any day.[/quote]

    Amen, brother.

  • JimV19 | November 25, 2009 at 2:36 pm |

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  • LI Phil | November 25, 2009 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”363318″]if the Ducks win this weekend, wonder if the upcoming Rose Bowl program will look this nice: http://www.historicf...

    jim

    i can guarantee you … write this down

    guarantee you…

    the ducks will not win this weekend

  • JimV19 | November 25, 2009 at 3:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”363319″][quote comment=”363318″]if the Ducks win this weekend, wonder if the upcoming Rose Bowl program will look this nice: http://www.historicf...

    jim

    i can guarantee you … write this down

    guarantee you…

    the ducks will not win this weekend[/quote]

    That’s what happens when I check this site before I go over to espn….

  • rpm | November 25, 2009 at 3:53 pm |

    if you happen to be at the chicago thanksgiving parade, please keep your children away from the turkey mascot in the convertible(car #4), it may be rabid. luckily they are putting a pineapple in the car with the turkey to make sure it does not curse at anyone, or push over any little kids in the middle of the festivities.

    happy turkey day everyone!
    abner audubon peacock IV

  • glen | November 25, 2009 at 3:59 pm |

    I don’t know if anyone else has noticed this phenomena, but it appeared that Jim Caldwell’s new digs have the conference on the right shoulder.

  • LI Phil | November 25, 2009 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”363322″]if you happen to be at the chicago thanksgiving parade, please keep your children away from the turkey mascot in the convertible(car #4), it may be rabid. luckily they are putting a pineapple in the car with the turkey to make sure it does not curse at anyone, or push over any little kids in the middle of the festivities.

    happy turkey day everyone!
    abner audubon peacock IV[/quote]

    stay away from the wild turkey, is that what you’re saying?

  • Gabe G | November 25, 2009 at 4:30 pm |

    http://cache4.asset-...

    Here is a pic of Emporia State’s striped helmets. I like em

  • Matt | November 25, 2009 at 4:41 pm |

    Emporia State doesn’t use those helmets anymore — they stopped in 1999. The helmets now just have the “Power E” logo like the women’s hoop jerseys.

  • rpm | November 25, 2009 at 5:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”363325″][quote comment=”363322″]if you happen to be at the chicago thanksgiving parade, please keep your children away from the turkey mascot in the convertible(car #4), it may be rabid. luckily they are putting a pineapple in the car with the turkey to make sure it does not curse at anyone, or push over any little kids in the middle of the festivities.

    happy turkey day everyone!
    abner audubon peacock IV[/quote]

    stay away from the wild turkey, is that what you’re saying?[/quote]

    ba dum bump.
    if i had wild turkey before i put on that mascot suit i would die. let’s just hope i can keep it relatively cool tonight.

  • the rAKe | November 25, 2009 at 5:11 pm |

    Just finished watching AC Milan v Marseille…AC Milan had their normal home jerseys on. I thought that in the Champions League, the NOB and number had to be on a monocromatic background?

  • Mark | November 25, 2009 at 5:15 pm |

    The SF Giants are getting a new hat…it’s gonna be black with an orange brim

  • mmwatkin | November 25, 2009 at 5:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”363330″]The SF Giants are getting a new hat…it’s gonna be black with an orange brim[/quote]

    yeah…we got it

  • leon | November 25, 2009 at 5:31 pm |

    As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

  • the rAKe | November 25, 2009 at 5:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”363332″]As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.[/quote]
    Herb Tarleck WKRP ?

  • M.Princip | November 25, 2009 at 5:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”363319″][quote comment=”363318″]if the Ducks win this weekend, wonder if the upcoming Rose Bowl program will look this nice: http://www.historicf...

    jim

    i can guarantee you … write this down

    guarantee you…

    the ducks will not win this weekend[/quote]

    Speaking of the Ducks, I’ve updated week 3 Duck(my fave) with green sleeves, ala LaMichael James style. I did notice that he’s got a pattern on his sleeves that I thought were the shoulder wings, yet, on closer inspection I don’t think they are? Anyone know what the graphic is?

    http://michaelprinci...

  • JimV19 | November 25, 2009 at 5:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”363327″]Emporia State doesn’t use those helmets anymore — they stopped in 1999. The helmets now just have the “Power E” logo like the women’s hoop jerseys.[/quote]

    I like the striped helmets better.

  • M.Princip | November 25, 2009 at 5:39 pm |

    Also, changed the helmet to a Schutt DNA. Here’s a good shot of what LaMichael’s sleeves look like:

    http://michaelprinci...

  • LI Phil | November 25, 2009 at 5:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”363333″][quote comment=”363332″]As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.[/quote]
    Herb Tarleck WKRP ?[/quote]

    close

    /big guy

  • mmwatkin | November 25, 2009 at 5:41 pm |

    Anyone else surprised we didn’t get a “Night before Thanksgiving is for Amateurs”?

    On a related note…I am off to the bar

  • LI Phil | November 25, 2009 at 5:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”363334″]
    Speaking of the Ducks, I’ve updated week 3 Duck(my fave) with green sleeves, ala LaMichael James style. I did notice that he’s got a pattern on his sleeves that I thought were the shoulder wings[/quote]

    those “things” on the shoulders are feathers, not wings…and that looks like the graphic on the forearm sleeves as well, just kinda ‘straightened out’

  • the rAKe | November 25, 2009 at 5:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”363337″][quote comment=”363333″][quote comment=”363332″]As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.[/quote]
    Herb Tarleck WKRP ?[/quote]

    close

    /big guy[/quote]
    I took a shot.

  • Chris | November 25, 2009 at 5:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”363237″]”Beast Mode” lol

    Did Nike actually employ copywriters to come up with these little tags for their riflery lines?

    Seems the whole Pro Combat “campaign” from its very foundation is just off-putting. They were onto something with their history/heritage idea last year for basketball:

    http://www.sportsbus...

    But the idea has just disappeared from public view. Maybe we’ll be so lucky with this new line.

    Also, not a fan of the Mets … but when you see everything side by side, damn, that’s atrocious what they’ve done to an iconic look (across the board).[/quote]

    I don’t get it. You are fine with Nike honoring history and heritage in new basketball uniforms, but not with new football uniforms? How many of the ‘riflery’ uniforms you are criticizing are honoring parts of each programs history? Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, Ohio State, Florida…have a problem with that but not in basketball??

  • leon | November 25, 2009 at 5:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”363340″][quote comment=”363337″][quote comment=”363333″][quote comment=”363332″]As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.[/quote]
    Herb Tarleck WKRP ?[/quote]

    close

    /big guy[/quote]
    I took a shot.[/quote]

    Just because you answered incorrectly?

  • Chris | November 25, 2009 at 5:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”363334″][quote comment=”363319″][quote comment=”363318″]if the Ducks win this weekend, wonder if the upcoming Rose Bowl program will look this nice: http://www.historicf...

    jim

    i can guarantee you … write this down

    guarantee you…

    the ducks will not win this weekend[/quote]

    Speaking of the Ducks, I’ve updated week 3 Duck(my fave) with green sleeves, ala LaMichael James style. I did notice that he’s got a pattern on his sleeves that I thought were the shoulder wings, yet, on closer inspection I don’t think they are? Anyone know what the graphic is?

    http://michaelprinci...

    The pattern on the sleeves has nothing to do with the pattern on the shoulders. Those undershirts were around last year. I remember Jeremiah Johnson and LeGarrette Blount wearing them last year. It’s a generic Nike pattern, as other people on other teams have worn them as well.

  • M.Princip | November 25, 2009 at 5:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”363339″][quote comment=”363334″]
    Speaking of the Ducks, I’ve updated week 3 Duck(my fave) with green sleeves, ala LaMichael James style. I did notice that he’s got a pattern on his sleeves that I thought were the shoulder wings[/quote]

    those “things” on the shoulders are feathers, not wings…and that looks like the graphic on the forearm sleeves as well, just kinda ‘straightened out'[/quote]

    Oh, yea I meant wings. Yea, I’m thinking it’s the same graphic just twisted about the forearm.

  • LI Phil | November 25, 2009 at 5:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”363342″][quote comment=”363340″]
    I took a shot.[/quote]

    Just because you answered incorrectly?[/quote]

    what better reason?

  • M.Princip | November 25, 2009 at 5:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”363343″][quote comment=”363334″][quote comment=”363319″][quote comment=”363318″]if the Ducks win this weekend, wonder if the upcoming Rose Bowl program will look this nice: http://www.historicf...

    jim

    i can guarantee you … write this down

    guarantee you…

    the ducks will not win this weekend[/quote]

    Speaking of the Ducks, I’ve updated week 3 Duck(my fave) with green sleeves, ala LaMichael James style. I did notice that he’s got a pattern on his sleeves that I thought were the shoulder wings, yet, on closer inspection I don’t think they are? Anyone know what the graphic is?

    http://michaelprinci...

    The pattern on the sleeves has nothing to do with the pattern on the shoulders. Those undershirts were around last year. I remember Jeremiah Johnson and LeGarrette Blount wearing them last year. It’s a generic Nike pattern, as other people on other teams have worn them as well.[/quote]

    Stand corrected. Thanks Chris.

  • the rAKe | November 25, 2009 at 5:59 pm |

    yup

  • rpm | November 25, 2009 at 6:30 pm |

    christmas stirrups and football socks
    That’s the way the holiday starts
    christmas stirrups and football socks
    Goody goody yum yum yum

    well, they’re in. but i have to work the parade thursday, will stuff envelopes friday or this weekend, and mail them out monday at the latest.

    those who thought that previous orders were too large will not feel that way about these. i ordered the size that was suggested, and on my 6’5″ frame they are top of the calf. pretty cool tube socks really, top notch.

    as for the oaks(xmas) stirrup, WOW!!! get you some red sanis or socks, i tried mine on that way and it looks amazing.

  • LarryB | November 25, 2009 at 6:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”363193″]Happy Thanksgiving, Mr. Lukas. Chicken pox is dreadful as an adult, especially at Thanksgiving, especially at Thanksgiving when you should be with the rest of your family.

    Meanwhile, know that your family here at Uniwatch is thankful for your attention to detail, your wit and your fantastic writing style. You, sir, give us much for which to be thankful. Thank you. And I thank my lucky stars I stumbled across the site.

    Thank you to Phil, to Rick and to all the other contributors. Thanks to the Internet for allowing this community to exist.

    May the Mets find their way out of the wilderness, may Nike learn humility, may Under Armor and Adidas find a clue.

    Thank you to each of you. And finally, go lions![/quote]

    Well said and I agree.

    Up until the Mets and Lions part that is

  • LarryB | November 25, 2009 at 6:38 pm |

    rpm,

    Would you know if it was possible to get this style of sock custom made or possibly to find a pair that looks like these.

    Ohio State wore this style of socks from the early 1910’s to 1928.

    I assume red socks with 2 gray stripes near the top

    http://img.photobuck...

    http://img.photobuck...

    I may ask Phil or Paul for your email if so.

  • M.Princip | November 25, 2009 at 6:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”363350″]rpm,

    Would you know if it was possible to get this style of sock custom made or possibly to find a pair that looks like these.

    Ohio State wore this style of socks from the early 1910’s to 1928.

    I assume red socks with 2 gray stripes near the top

    http://img.photobuck...

    http://img.photobuck...

    I may ask Phil or Paul for your email if so.[/quote]

    Awesome pics Larry. Soemthin’ real squirrely eyed about this dude.

    http://img.photobuck...

  • LarryB | November 25, 2009 at 6:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”363351″][quote comment=”363350″]rpm,

    Would you know if it was possible to get this style of sock custom made or possibly to find a pair that looks like these.

    Ohio State wore this style of socks from the early 1910’s to 1928.

    I assume red socks with 2 gray stripes near the top

    http://img.photobuck...

    http://img.photobuck...

    I may ask Phil or Paul for your email if so.[/quote]

    Awesome pics Larry. Soemthin’ real squirrely eyed about this dude.

    http://img.photobuck...

    That is Pete Stinchcomb. He was a running mate with the great Chic Harley in the 1919 season

    Pete is also the guy in this classic muddy faced picture.

    http://img.photobuck...

  • rpm | November 25, 2009 at 6:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”363350″]rpm,

    Would you know if it was possible to get this style of sock custom made or possibly to find a pair that looks like these.

    Ohio State wore this style of socks from the early 1910’s to 1928.

    I assume red socks with 2 gray stripes near the top

    http://img.photobuck...

    http://img.photobuck...

    I may ask Phil or Paul for your email if so.[/quote]

    it is indeed possible.

    i was looking to maybe do the 40’s 50’s style of the buckeyes soon. rpmarshallart@gmail.com

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 25, 2009 at 7:09 pm |

    Watching Rangers pregame: clip from practice shows Marc Staal in a practice jersey with the statue of liberty logo on it. I really really really really hope this doesn’t herald a return to that logo in the form of an alternate jersey or anything else. It looked great on Richter’s mask and horrible everywhere else.

  • JimV19 | November 25, 2009 at 7:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”363353″][quote comment=”363350″]rpm,

    Would you know if it was possible to get this style of sock custom made or possibly to find a pair that looks like these.

    Ohio State wore this style of socks from the early 1910’s to 1928.

    I assume red socks with 2 gray stripes near the top

    http://img.photobuck...

    http://img.photobuck...

    I may ask Phil or Paul for your email if so.[/quote]

    it is indeed possible.

    i was looking to maybe do the 40’s 50’s style of the buckeyes soon. rpmarshallart@gmail.com[/quote]

    I thought this was the 40s-50s style…
    http://a.espncdn.com...

  • LI Phil | November 25, 2009 at 7:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”363355″][quote comment=”363353″][quote comment=”363350″]rpm,

    Would you know if it was possible to get this style of sock custom made or possibly to find a pair that looks like these.

    Ohio State wore this style of socks from the early 1910’s to 1928.

    I assume red socks with 2 gray stripes near the top

    http://img.photobuck...

    http://img.photobuck...

    I may ask Phil or Paul for your email if so.[/quote]

    it is indeed possible.

    i was looking to maybe do the 40’s 50’s style of the buckeyes soon. rpmarshallart@gmail.com[/quote]

    I thought this was the 40s-50s style…
    http://a.espncdn.com...

    hmmm…not sure about the socks but they definitely wore these pants back in the day, right?

  • rpm | November 25, 2009 at 7:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”363356″][quote comment=”363355″][quote comment=”363353″][quote comment=”363350″]rpm,

    Would you know if it was possible to get this style of sock custom made or possibly to find a pair that looks like these.

    Ohio State wore this style of socks from the early 1910’s to 1928.

    I assume red socks with 2 gray stripes near the top

    http://img.photobuck...

    http://img.photobuck...

    I may ask Phil or Paul for your email if so.[/quote]

    it is indeed possible.

    i was looking to maybe do the 40’s 50’s style of the buckeyes soon. rpmarshallart@gmail.com[/quote]

    I thought this was the 40s-50s style…
    http://a.espncdn.com...

    hmmm…not sure about the socks but they definitely wore these pants back in the day, right?[/quote]
    sop it! stop it! both of you. we don’t speak of that day.

  • JimV19 | November 25, 2009 at 7:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”363357″][quote comment=”363356″][quote comment=”363355″][quote comment=”363353″][quote comment=”363350″]rpm,

    Would you know if it was possible to get this style of sock custom made or possibly to find a pair that looks like these.

    Ohio State wore this style of socks from the early 1910’s to 1928.

    I assume red socks with 2 gray stripes near the top

    http://img.photobuck...

    http://img.photobuck...

    I may ask Phil or Paul for your email if so.[/quote]

    it is indeed possible.

    i was looking to maybe do the 40’s 50’s style of the buckeyes soon. rpmarshallart@gmail.com[/quote]

    I thought this was the 40s-50s style…
    http://a.espncdn.com...

    hmmm…not sure about the socks but they definitely wore these pants back in the day, right?[/quote]
    sop it! stop it! both of you. we don’t speak of that day.[/quote]

    Well, if the Bucks had rolled over last week, then Tressel woulda burned them. Sometimes, you have to scarifice for the greater good…

  • leon | November 25, 2009 at 7:37 pm |

    Apologies ahead of time if this doesn’t work:

    http://sportsillustr...

  • rpm | November 25, 2009 at 7:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”363358″][quote comment=”363357″][quote comment=”363356″][quote comment=”363355″][quote comment=”363353″][quote comment=”363350″]rpm,

    Would you know if it was possible to get this style of sock custom made or possibly to find a pair that looks like these.

    Ohio State wore this style of socks from the early 1910’s to 1928.

    I assume red socks with 2 gray stripes near the top

    http://img.photobuck...

    http://img.photobuck...

    I may ask Phil or Paul for your email if so.[/quote]

    it is indeed possible.

    i was looking to maybe do the 40’s 50’s style of the buckeyes soon. rpmarshallart@gmail.com[/quote]

    I thought this was the 40s-50s style…
    http://a.espncdn.com...

    hmmm…not sure about the socks but they definitely wore these pants back in the day, right?[/quote]
    sop it! stop it! both of you. we don’t speak of that day.[/quote]

    Well, if the Bucks had rolled over last week, then Tressel woulda burned them. Sometimes, you have to scarifice for the greater good…[/quote]

    they won’t be back.

  • LI Phil | November 25, 2009 at 7:49 pm |

    wtf?

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 25, 2009 at 8:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”363362″]wtf?[/quote]
    GOTTA love European pro hockey.

  • JTH | November 25, 2009 at 8:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”363362″]wtf?[/quote]
    Sprint Cup playoffs?

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 25, 2009 at 8:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”363364″][quote comment=”363362″]wtf?[/quote]
    Sprint Cup playoffs?[/quote]
    I don’t even see a number on his back. “Crap, guys, I KNEW we forgot something.”

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 8:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”363363″][quote comment=”363362″]wtf?[/quote]
    GOTTA love European pro hockey.[/quote]

    LOL. Yeah, the NASCARHL,isn’t it.
    Maybe this for the top of the league office’s holiday tree?
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • MPowers1634 | November 25, 2009 at 8:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”363196″][quote comment=”363192″][quote comment=”363189″]
    pirates fan over here… ugh. i’m just thankful we have some of the best jerseys in baseball… well, 3 out of 4 ain’t bad:

    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    oh c’mon…you know you have one of these[/quote]

    lol! yeah, my first choice was “16 and counting”

    i love this though. perfect combination of over-price, logo creep, trademark, and uselessness:

    http://farm4.static....

    Unprovoked malice…I love it!

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 25, 2009 at 8:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”363366″][quote comment=”363363″][quote comment=”363362″]wtf?[/quote]
    GOTTA love European pro hockey.[/quote]

    LOL. Yeah, the NASCARHL,isn’t it.
    Maybe this for the top of the league office’s holiday tree?
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]
    That… and I wonder what Santa’s suit looks like. Talk about bumper stickers.

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 8:44 pm |

    Which reminds me.

    Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.

    And don’t forget…
    UFL Championship Friday night.

    —Ricko

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 25, 2009 at 8:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”363368″][quote comment=”363366″][quote comment=”363363″][quote comment=”363362″]wtf?[/quote]
    GOTTA love European pro hockey.[/quote]

    LOL. Yeah, the NASCARHL,isn’t it.
    Maybe this for the top of the league office’s holiday tree?
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]
    That… and I wonder what Santa’s suit looks like. Talk about bumper stickers.[/quote]
    Swedish Elite Santa.

  • MPowers1634 | November 25, 2009 at 8:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”363343″][quote comment=”363334″][quote comment=”363319″][quote comment=”363318″]if the Ducks win this weekend, wonder if the upcoming Rose Bowl program will look this nice: http://www.historicf...

    jim

    i can guarantee you … write this down

    guarantee you…

    the ducks will not win this weekend[/quote]

    Speaking of the Ducks, I’ve updated week 3 Duck(my fave) with green sleeves, ala LaMichael James style. I did notice that he’s got a pattern on his sleeves that I thought were the shoulder wings, yet, on closer inspection I don’t think they are? Anyone know what the graphic is?

    http://michaelprinci...

    The pattern on the sleeves has nothing to do with the pattern on the shoulders. Those undershirts were around last year. I remember Jeremiah Johnson and LeGarrette Blount wearing them last year. It’s a generic Nike pattern, as other people on other teams have worn them as well.[/quote]

    Correct…It is a generally released long sleeve training top:

    http://www.niketeam....

    Here are better pics of it:
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    http://i34.tinypic.c...

    BTW, more baseball cleats on the gridiron:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

  • MPowers1634 | November 25, 2009 at 8:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”363206″]I really like the way these look except for two things:

    1) That waistband logo is superfluous and it just looks like a Champion logo.
    2) They do not look like women’s basketball unis.[/quote]

    They are nice, James. What school is that?

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 8:56 pm |

    Figure skates on a hockey player?
    http://www.hockeytal...

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 8:59 pm |

    Hockey sticks for Ice Capades?
    http://www.hockeytal...

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 9:01 pm |

    WHA did it, too.
    With purple unis, yet.
    http://media.photobu...

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 9:07 pm |

    Why the NFL shouldn’t even THINK about pulling the Thanksgiving Day game out of Detroit.
    http://www.bing.com/...

    You don’t throw something historic just because the team having tough times.

    —Ricko

  • MPowers1634 | November 25, 2009 at 9:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”363248″]… Hmmm, interesting design. That’s Emporia State, a D-II school from Kansas (with thanks to Brian Hansen). …

    Reminds me of this experiment at UNC earlier in the decade.[/quote]

    Michiga, and Jamal Crawford, did it at the same time for one year:

    http://jamalcrawford...

  • The Ghost of Ross Gload | November 25, 2009 at 9:22 pm |

    Oakland U (Michigan): LNOBUN (or perhaps LNUNOB)

    Anyway, last name under the number looks good. You can probably catch a glimpse on SportsCenter tonight, as they are playing Kansas.

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 9:23 pm |

    Okay, raise your hand if pizza’s been ordered.

    Supposedly, other than Super Bowl Sunday, this is the busiest pizza delivery night of the year.

    —Ricko

  • LarryB | November 25, 2009 at 9:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”363353″][quote comment=”363350″]rpm,

    Would you know if it was possible to get this style of sock custom made or possibly to find a pair that looks like these.

    Ohio State wore this style of socks from the early 1910’s to 1928.

    I assume red socks with 2 gray stripes near the top

    http://img.photobuck...

    http://img.photobuck...

    I may ask Phil or Paul for your email if so.[/quote]

    it is indeed possible.

    i was looking to maybe do the 40’s 50’s style of the buckeyes soon. rpmarshallart@gmail.com[/quote]

    Thanks I will contact you soon and yes the style in your picture would be cool too.

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 25, 2009 at 9:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”363379″]Okay, raise your hand if pizza’s been ordered.

    Supposedly, other than Super Bowl Sunday, this is the busiest pizza delivery night of the year.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Does Chinese food count?

  • The Ghost of Ross Gload | November 25, 2009 at 9:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”363379″]Okay, raise your hand if pizza’s been ordered.

    Supposedly, other than Super Bowl Sunday, this is the busiest pizza delivery night of the year.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I was in the process of asking the kids what they wanted on their pizza when the wife came in with some soup she picked up at the store.

    It was good soup. But I was ready for pizza.

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 9:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”363381″][quote comment=”363379″]Okay, raise your hand if pizza’s been ordered.

    Supposedly, other than Super Bowl Sunday, this is the busiest pizza delivery night of the year.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Does Chinese food count?[/quote]

    Well, there is that school of thought that says the Chinese invented pizza. Judges?

  • JTH | November 25, 2009 at 9:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”363372″][quote comment=”363206″]I really like the way these look except for two things:

    1) That waistband logo is superfluous and it just looks like a Champion logo.
    2) They do not look like women’s basketball unis.[/quote]

    They are nice, James. What school is that?[/quote]
    Emporia State. ’Twas in the ticker. But you probably figured that out by now.

  • Doodles | November 25, 2009 at 9:43 pm |

    I would be satisfied with nothing less than this:

    1) Home uniform same as 1969…no black at all
    2) Road uniform same as 1969, including the fact that the numbers were varsity vs. home numbers which are block font. Mitchell and Ness makes a good approximation.
    3) No orange button on hat
    4) Put the little NY back on the logo. Is there one human being on this planet that would be offended by the NY being restored?

  • JTH | November 25, 2009 at 9:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”363367″][quote comment=”363196″][quote comment=”363192″][quote comment=”363189″]
    pirates fan over here… ugh. i’m just thankful we have some of the best jerseys in baseball… well, 3 out of 4 ain’t bad:

    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    oh c’mon…you know you have one of these[/quote]

    lol! yeah, my first choice was “16 and counting”

    i love this though. perfect combination of over-price, logo creep, trademark, and uselessness:

    http://farm4.static....

    Unprovoked malice…I love it![/quote]
    No, you misunderstood that.

    That’s the first pic that comes up when you do a Google image search using those words as your search terms.

    ;)

  • leon | November 25, 2009 at 9:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”363383″][quote comment=”363381″][quote comment=”363379″]Okay, raise your hand if pizza’s been ordered.

    Supposedly, other than Super Bowl Sunday, this is the busiest pizza delivery night of the year.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Does Chinese food count?[/quote]

    Well, there is that school of thought that says the Chinese invented pizza. Judges?[/quote]

    Next you’ll tell us they invented spaghetti.

  • JimV19 | November 25, 2009 at 10:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”363379″]Okay, raise your hand if pizza’s been ordered.

    Supposedly, other than Super Bowl Sunday, this is the busiest pizza delivery night of the year.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I thought it was Halloween. You DO learn something new every day.

    Dang. Now I want pizza.

    And Happy Thanksgiving, y’all.

  • JimV19 | November 25, 2009 at 10:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”363369″]Which reminds me.

    Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.

    And don’t forget…
    UFL Championship Friday night.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    You been taping those games? Years from now people will come flocking if you did, wanting to know which team was which.

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 25, 2009 at 10:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”363387″][quote comment=”363383″][quote comment=”363381″][quote comment=”363379″]Okay, raise your hand if pizza’s been ordered.

    Supposedly, other than Super Bowl Sunday, this is the busiest pizza delivery night of the year.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Does Chinese food count?[/quote]

    Well, there is that school of thought that says the Chinese invented pizza. Judges?[/quote]

    Next you’ll tell us they invented spaghetti.[/quote]
    Well… ramen noodles. Does that count?

  • MPowers1634 | November 25, 2009 at 10:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”363384″][quote comment=”363372″][quote comment=”363206″]I really like the way these look except for two things:

    1) That waistband logo is superfluous and it just looks like a Champion logo.
    2) They do not look like women’s basketball unis.[/quote]

    They are nice, James. What school is that?
    [/quote]
    Emporia State. ’Twas in the ticker. But you probably figured that out by now.[/quote]
    yup, we need an edit button.

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 10:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”363389″][quote comment=”363369″]Which reminds me.

    Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.

    And don’t forget…
    UFL Championship Friday night.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    You been taping those games? Years from now people will come flocking if you did, wanting to know which team was which.[/quote]

    How would that help them?

  • MPowers1634 | November 25, 2009 at 10:25 pm |

    Silver cleats ala Larry Fitz:

    http://www.eastbay.c...

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 10:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”363388″][quote comment=”363379″]Okay, raise your hand if pizza’s been ordered.

    Supposedly, other than Super Bowl Sunday, this is the busiest pizza delivery night of the year.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I thought it was Halloween. You DO learn something new every day.

    Dang. Now I want pizza.

    And Happy Thanksgiving, y’all.[/quote]

    Always have a source. In this case, a former boss (now good friend) who at one time was Chief Operating Officer of Pizza Hut and, prior to that, Godfather’s/Papa Gino’s.

    —Ricko

  • mtjaws | November 25, 2009 at 10:30 pm |

    I’m a Mets hater (although they are better than Yanks), but can see they have really lost sight of their identity. They need to get rid of the black and embrace the blue. Simple idea, bound to never happen.

    And yes, “My Name is Earl” can be quite funny, although NBC rudely prevented it from having a proper series conclusion. I hope they get a proper finale someday.

  • JimV19 | November 25, 2009 at 10:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”363392″][quote comment=”363389″][quote comment=”363369″]Which reminds me.

    Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.

    And don’t forget…
    UFL Championship Friday night.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    You been taping those games? Years from now people will come flocking if you did, wanting to know which team was which.[/quote]

    How would that help them?[/quote]

    Going with the conventional assumption that there won’t be a UFL in the near future, historians and people with even less fashion sense than myself may develop a nostalgia for the league. As one of the few who have actually seen a game, you could be a font of information.

    By the way, you said at one point that the quality of play really wasn’t that bad. Has that held up throughout the season?

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 10:32 pm |

    This would make for a great DIY hat…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    —Ricko

  • Paul Lukas | November 25, 2009 at 10:34 pm |

    Speaking of Emporia State headwear:
    http://www.c-of-e.or...

  • JimV19 | November 25, 2009 at 10:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”363394″][quote comment=”363388″][quote comment=”363379″]Okay, raise your hand if pizza’s been ordered.

    Supposedly, other than Super Bowl Sunday, this is the busiest pizza delivery night of the year.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I thought it was Halloween. You DO learn something new every day.

    Dang. Now I want pizza.

    And Happy Thanksgiving, y’all.[/quote]

    Always have a source. In this case, a former boss (now good friend) who at one time was Chief Operating Officer of Pizza Hut and, prior to that, Godfather’s/Papa Gino’s.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Ah, I was thinking donuts. For some reason I thought the busiest days intertwined. My source (the owner of a shop where I drove the delivery truck) said Halloween was the busiest donut time of year, especially glazed donuts. Good Friday is a pretty popular day with some Protestants, I learned. Figured there was more fasting going on, but not so.

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 10:37 pm |

    Get yourself a blank Dartmouth green hat or polo shirt, a needle and some thread…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • JimV19 | November 25, 2009 at 10:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”363398″]Speaking of Emporia State headwear:
    http://www.c-of-e.or...

    That’s pretty bizzare…and the hat gracing the top of the disembodied head is strange, too…

    I kinda like it.

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 10:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”363401″][quote comment=”363398″]Speaking of Emporia State headwear:
    http://www.c-of-e.or...

    That’s pretty bizzare…and the hat gracing the top of the disembodied head is strange, too…

    I kinda like it.[/quote]

    A dime for a game program? Damn, price gouging at ballparks/stadia goes back a long way, doesn’t it.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | November 25, 2009 at 10:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”363386″][quote comment=”363367″][quote comment=”363196″]“perfect combination of over-price, logo creep, trademark, and uselessness”:

    http://farm4.static....

    Unprovoked malice…I love it![/quote]
    No, you misunderstood that.

    That’s the first pic that comes up when you do a Google image search using those words as your search terms.

    ;)[/quote]

    POTD james

    nice work ry, great description ;)

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 10:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”363401″][quote comment=”363398″]Speaking of Emporia State headwear:
    http://www.c-of-e.or...

    That’s pretty bizzare…and the hat gracing the top of the disembodied head is strange, too…

    I kinda like it.[/quote]

    What, no “I’d wear that”?

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 10:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”363403″][quote comment=”363386″][quote comment=”363367″][quote comment=”363196″]“perfect combination of over-price, logo creep, trademark, and uselessness”:

    http://farm4.static....

    Unprovoked malice…I love it![/quote]
    No, you misunderstood that.

    That’s the first pic that comes up when you do a Google image search using those words as your search terms.

    ;)[/quote]

    POTD james

    nice work ry, great description ;)[/quote]

    Famous Blue-Gray Monster in the background, too.

  • JimV19 | November 25, 2009 at 10:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”363404″][quote comment=”363401″][quote comment=”363398″]Speaking of Emporia State headwear:
    http://www.c-of-e.or...

    That’s pretty bizzare…and the hat gracing the top of the disembodied head is strange, too…

    I kinda like it.[/quote]

    What, no “I’d wear that”?[/quote]

    Not without matching shoes…

  • M.Princip | November 25, 2009 at 11:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”363371″][quote comment=”363343″][quote comment=”363334″][quote comment=”363319″][quote comment=”363318″]if the Ducks win this weekend, wonder if the upcoming Rose Bowl program will look this nice: http://www.historicf...

    jim

    i can guarantee you … write this down

    guarantee you…

    the ducks will not win this weekend[/quote]

    Speaking of the Ducks, I’ve updated week 3 Duck(my fave) with green sleeves, ala LaMichael James style. I did notice that he’s got a pattern on his sleeves that I thought were the shoulder wings, yet, on closer inspection I don’t think they are? Anyone know what the graphic is?

    http://michaelprinci...

    The pattern on the sleeves has nothing to do with the pattern on the shoulders. Those undershirts were around last year. I remember Jeremiah Johnson and LeGarrette Blount wearing them last year. It’s a generic Nike pattern, as other people on other teams have worn them as well.[/quote]

    Correct…It is a generally released long sleeve training top:

    http://www.niketeam....

    Here are better pics of it:
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    http://i34.tinypic.c...

    BTW, more baseball cleats on the gridiron:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Awesome! This is the pic I needed. Thanks Powers!

    http://i34.tinypic.c...

  • M.Princip | November 25, 2009 at 11:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”363371″][quote comment=”363343″][quote comment=”363334″][quote comment=”363319″][quote comment=”363318″]if the Ducks win this weekend, wonder if the upcoming Rose Bowl program will look this nice: http://www.historicf...

    jim

    i can guarantee you … write this down

    guarantee you…

    the ducks will not win this weekend[/quote]

    Speaking of the Ducks, I’ve updated week 3 Duck(my fave) with green sleeves, ala LaMichael James style. I did notice that he’s got a pattern on his sleeves that I thought were the shoulder wings, yet, on closer inspection I don’t think they are? Anyone know what the graphic is?

    http://michaelprinci...

    The pattern on the sleeves has nothing to do with the pattern on the shoulders. Those undershirts were around last year. I remember Jeremiah Johnson and LeGarrette Blount wearing them last year. It’s a generic Nike pattern, as other people on other teams have worn them as well.[/quote]

    Correct…It is a generally released long sleeve training top:

    http://www.niketeam....

    Here are better pics of it:
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    http://i34.tinypic.c...

    BTW, more baseball cleats on the gridiron:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Thanks Powers! This is the pic. I needed.

    http://i34.tinypic.c...

  • Ricko | November 25, 2009 at 11:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”363396″][quote comment=”363392″][quote comment=”363389″][quote comment=”363369″]Which reminds me.

    Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.

    And don’t forget…
    UFL Championship Friday night.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    You been taping those games? Years from now people will come flocking if you did, wanting to know which team was which.[/quote]

    How would that help them?[/quote]

    Going with the conventional assumption that there won’t be a UFL in the near future, historians and people with even less fashion sense than myself may develop a nostalgia for the league. As one of the few who have actually seen a game, you could be a font of information.

    By the way, you said at one point that the quality of play really wasn’t that bad. Has that held up throughout the season?[/quote]

    If you can get past the unis (which ain’t easy or even possible, believe me) the games have at least been entertaining, I’ll give them that.

    As a new league, that’s exactly whay you hope for: nobody looks like a stumblebum and the game’s are fun.

    They could be pushing individual players harder, I think. But we’ve already seen they’re not big on pushing individual teams, at least as far as unis go.

    —Ricko

  • John in Athens | November 25, 2009 at 11:26 pm |

    This morning, someone from the New York Mets called me personally to discuss my concerns about the dropshadow. Her message was very nice and understanding, but she said that the team had done research and found that people seemed to like it.

    While not the response I was hoping for, it is nice to know that the Mets do read messages submitted via the Contact Us page on their website and that a polite, concise message that includes all of your contact information will be read and (possibly) responded to personally.

    Huzzah!

  • JTH | November 25, 2009 at 11:44 pm |

    Here’s something you don’t see very often. The Blackhawks have scored their first three goals shorthanded tonight. Two of them came while killing the same (2-minute) penalty.

  • LarryB | November 25, 2009 at 11:46 pm |

    And I just saw the 2 comments by 2 wiseguys here about the OSU so called throwbacks.

    Very funny Phil and Jim.

  • LI Phil | November 25, 2009 at 11:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”363412″]And I just saw the 2 comments by 2 wiseguys here about the OSU so called throwbacks.

    Very funny Phil and Jim.[/quote]

    you mean those nike unis aren’t accurate?

  • LarryB | November 25, 2009 at 11:47 pm |

    And to yesterdays column or maybe it was the day before. I loved that picture of the Packers 1950 in color.

  • Ontario | November 25, 2009 at 11:55 pm |

    The Mets do need to drop the shadow look, that is more of a New York Ranger thing. I e-mailed the Buffalo Bills hours after they fired Jauron and begged them now is a great time to see a new traditonal but modern uniform,…!

  • LarryB | November 26, 2009 at 12:10 am |

    [quote comment=”363413″][quote comment=”363412″]And I just saw the 2 comments by 2 wiseguys here about the OSU so called throwbacks.

    Very funny Phil and Jim.[/quote]

    you mean those nike unis aren’t accurate?[/quote]

    Millions of people who listened to anybody in the media think so. I knew that was going to happen.

  • =bg= | November 26, 2009 at 12:21 am |

    [quote comment=”363262″]the SF Giants will have a new hat..it’ll be black with an orange brim[/quote]

    Source?
    Nothing on MLB.com. Nothing on SFG’s site. Nothing on the local SFGate site.

    Show me..

  • JTH | November 26, 2009 at 12:40 am |

    [quote comment=”363417″][quote comment=”363262″]the SF Giants will have a new hat..it’ll be black with an orange brim[/quote]

    Source?
    Nothing on MLB.com. Nothing on SFG’s site. Nothing on the local SFGate site.

    Show me..[/quote]
    Ummm…. this?

  • Ricko | November 26, 2009 at 12:47 am |

    [quote comment=”363418″][quote comment=”363417″][quote comment=”363262″]the SF Giants will have a new hat..it’ll be black with an orange brim[/quote]

    Source?
    Nothing on MLB.com. Nothing on SFG’s site. Nothing on the local SFGate site.

    Show me..[/quote]
    Ummm…. this?[/quote]

    I think Vida Blue and Jack Clark still have theirs.

  • LI Phil | November 26, 2009 at 12:48 am |

    [quote comment=”363418″][quote comment=”363417″][quote comment=”363262″]the SF Giants will have a new hat..it’ll be black with an orange brim[/quote]

    Source?
    Nothing on MLB.com. Nothing on SFG’s site. Nothing on the local SFGate site.

    Show me..[/quote]
    Ummm…. this?[/quote]

    isn’t it a new bp cap (don’t know if that’s new) that’s being talked about?

    think most teams are getting new bp caps this year

  • Ricko | November 26, 2009 at 12:50 am |

    [quote comment=”363416″][quote comment=”363413″][quote comment=”363412″]And I just saw the 2 comments by 2 wiseguys here about the OSU so called throwbacks.

    Very funny Phil and Jim.[/quote]

    you mean those nike unis aren’t accurate?[/quote]

    Millions of people who listened to anybody in the media think so. I knew that was going to happen.[/quote]

    My theory? Some on the Nike design staff wanted to put that “O” dead center on the back. But got outvoted.

    It was 18-16.

    —Ricko

  • Traxel | November 26, 2009 at 1:38 am |

    [quote comment=”363421″][quote comment=”363416″][quote comment=”363413″][quote comment=”363412″]And I just saw the 2 comments by 2 wiseguys here about the OSU so called throwbacks.

    Very funny Phil and Jim.[/quote]

    you mean those nike unis aren’t accurate?[/quote]

    Millions of people who listened to anybody in the media think so. I knew that was going to happen.[/quote]

    My theory? Some on the Nike design staff wanted to put that “O” dead center on the back. But got outvoted.

    It was 18-16.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    I wouldn’t be surprised to see the big O repositioned on Oregon’s helmet as a halo motif.

  • Mike McGann | November 26, 2009 at 9:13 am |

    As seen on FU.com:

    Look, aside from not being quite as nice or stylish as either the Phillies or Giants’ cream-colored uniforms (or the Indians…or, well, you get the idea), it does nothing to solve the long-running disaster that is the Mets’ uniform. Frankly, they could send the players out in blue pasties and an orange g-string and it would be less embarrassing than the already-having-jumped-the-shark-in-1998 black jerseys, hats and so on (black uniforms were cool for about 20 minutes in 1992 — a fact lost on Jeff Wilpon, seemingly still listening to MilliVanilli and Vanilla Ice on his WalkMan).

  • James Craven | November 26, 2009 at 11:42 am |

    Now other than that, how do you really feel about Mets management (for the lack of a better word?)

  • Doodles | November 26, 2009 at 12:30 pm |

    Here’s what I think about Mets management:
    Several years ago, I had tickets to a Mets Yankee game in June at Shea. This was before Citifield even broke ground. I was a little late and was directed to park all the way by the Unisphere and had to be bussed back to Shea! For this I paid full price for parking. After the game, I hopped back on the bus to try to find my car. Alas, it was pitch black with no lights there. Emails and phone calls to the Mets for an explanation were NEVER returned.

  • Todd R | November 26, 2009 at 8:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”363200″]It is sooooo ridiculously slow today that I made a Mets logo comparison sheet of all of the logos since the Wilpons took over

    http://www.jerseynam...

    Missed a spot…
    http://lauramartinez...

  • joeshoulders | November 27, 2009 at 8:36 am |

    paul, you’re right on … my mets can’t seem to do anything right. there is no question that there is nothing “retro” about the ugly black drop shadow. can you imagine the dodgers adding drop shadow? or the yankees adding some grey behind the “NY” to give it more “pop?” – mets are run by idiots that cant seem to anything right … i hope they paint the citifield wall blue – and you know the ugly black uniforms and hats will be worn more than any other uniform again 2010 .. ugh!

  • raymond | November 27, 2009 at 11:25 am |

    I am one of the few Mets die hard fans that likes the black. However, have to admit this announcement of “retro” jersey is misleading, as it is most titles to the Mets caps and unis.. The script should have been the original one not with the black drop if they were going to go retro. Makes you wonder….

    They should wear more pinstripses, use blue caps on the road, and be more consistant as to the days they wear the “alternates”…

    I notice there are lots of people against the black but I will hate see it go…I think it looks good..but let’s not lose the blue….

    My five cents…

  • Stu Baron | November 27, 2009 at 5:11 pm |

    Do you know why equipment masnager Charlie Samuels, who seems to have a hard-on for the black hats and jerseys, has so much power in deciding which unis the Mets wear for each game?