History Lessons

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Back in January, reader Warren Humphrey pointed me toward this page, which features lots of interesting Seattle Chieftains uniforms. I linked to it in the Ticker and that was the end of that.

But if I had bothered to click around on the site where that page was hosted (which I’ve now finally done, thanks to a tip from Dave Hembree), I would have found a ton additional material. The site is Both Teams Played Hard, and it’s amazing. It’s run by Warren, who describes himself as “a collector,” although I think “historian” might be just as apt a title for him. His strongest suit appears to be basketball, mostly non-NBA stuff, although he has at least a few jerseys from all the major (and some minor) sports. Here’s a small sampling of what you can find once you start clicking through his site:

• Totally digging this Knicks warm-up pullover and this snap-front design.

• The front of this Kentucky State shooting shirt is nice, but the real prize is the design on the back — check it out.

• Here’s a doozy: tequila sunrise and sunset!

• I’d never seen a basketball jersey with the school name in between the two uni number numerals before. How did they handle the design for jerseys with single-digit numbers?

• Awesome 1960s Cleveland Barons hockey jersey here.

• You can really see how the Jets’ shade of green has changed over the years when you look at this old salesman’s sample.

• Love the chunky Phillies script seen in this 1948 batboy jersey.

• Good thing Warren already sold this 1930s football jersey, or else I’d be reaching for the checkbook right now.

• We all know that the Cubs’ mid-century road design has also been used by minor league teams, but I’d never seen this version before.

• OK, so we all know how I feel about purple, but I might make an exception for this jersey.

• You also know how I feel about the combination of green and gold, and that goes double for this uni. GodDAMN that’s gorgeous!

Greatest rear-jacket design ever? Could be, could be.

• The Globetrotters weren’t the only show team playing in Harlem back in the day. There were also the Harlem Travelers.

• Rare to see a shooting shirt with a big design on the front.

• It’s hard to imagine a jersey that screams “early 1970s!” more than this one does. Here’s the road version.

• I know there have been teams called the Quakers, but I’ve never seen one called the Quaker Oats. Must have been a factory team.

• Magnificent satin jersey here.

• Warren also has a huge page devoted to old photos, ranging from the gorgeous to the bizarre. Too many notable pics to list here, so let’s just say I strongly, strongly recommend scrolling through the entire set.

• Last but absolutely not least, Warren has also been compiling a tagging archive. Click on the individual brands to see loads of great tag designs.

And there’s more — a lot more. Good luck getting anything else done once you start poking around through Warren’s collection.

Great Seven-Inch Sell-Off, Continued: I’ve put yet another batch of old indie singles up for sale on eBay. Start biddin’!

Uni Watch News Ticker: Some really nice old baseball program and yearbook covers on display here. “My favorite is this one, for obvious reasons,” says Ray Barrington). … Oooh, check this out: Prior to Saturday’s Blackhawks/Avalanche game, Bobby Hull, Stan Mikita, Denis Savard, and Tony Esposito took the ice in period-appropriate uniforms. “Note the NNOB and older crest on Mikita and Hull and the gold trim on the crest with the sans-serif C on the shoulder patches for Esposito,” says James Huening. “Dunno why Savard had to wear an Edge jersey, though. And I’m pretty sure the numbers weren’t positioned so low on the back during the NNOB days.” … “Clemson football player Stanley Hunter was forced to quit the team right before the season started because of his ongoing problems with epileptic seizures,” says Benji Boyter. “As a tribute to him, a different player on the team is wearing his No. 17 for each game.” … You know how turf fields typically include those little pieces of ground-up tires? Turns out they could be toxic. … Good spot by Teebz, who notes that Chicago Wolves goalie Drew MacIntyre was still wearing his blue Predators pants the other day, instead of black like his teammates. … The Penguins will wear their blue throwbacks this Saturday. The full schedule for wearing them this season can be found here (thanks, Kek). … Good spot by Jesse Buckner, who notes that the Rangers have been wearing navy gloves, instead of royal. Is that a new thing? … Best news of the week! … USC is adding a helmet decal this weekend for Stafon Johnson, who suffered a serious training injury. … New logos and colors for the New Orleans Zephyrs (with thanks to Bruce Richards). … Todd Usher notes that Maurice Creek is shown wearing a numberless Indiana jersey on this page. “I’d never seen an Indiana head shot that didn’t include the number,” he says. … Great story about an old Arkansas pennant here (nice find by Charlie Shields). … FNOB alert from the late ’80s. That’s Kerry Cash of the 1989 Longhorns (as noted by Gordon Reid). … Look at this: Nike is selling Oregon State replica jerseys with different TV numbers on the two sleeves. “It’s so people don’t have to choose between the two best players on the team, brothers Jacquizz (#1) and James (#8) Rodgers,” says Malcolm Byers.

 

212 comments to History Lessons

  • Les | October 14, 2009 at 8:51 am |

    Hi

    Has anyone considerd doing a report on the New Era performance 5950 caps now worn in MLB, I have only recently started replacing my old wool 5950s with the new poly ones ,but find it hard to get the right size ,this used to not be a problem as the old ones you cound mould and size to your head nomatter if it was slightly big or slightly small, but I cant seem to do that with the new ones.

  • Rich | October 14, 2009 at 9:04 am |

    Use some sunshine and some sweat my friend, these new polyester hats take more time to break in. As far as size goes I remember someone on these boards mentioning that new era uses multiple machines of various ages to make all the hats, which ends up causing varience in size from say one 7 1/2 to another 7 1/2. So dont buy them online, and if they still dont fit, wear it in the shower then wear it in the sun.

  • ScottyM | October 14, 2009 at 9:13 am |

    Regarding the Indiana player …

    I mentioned this in the comments section here a few weeks ago, apparently, IU is getting new hoops uniforms* (adidas) this season. Source: their Rivals site editor.

    Perhaps this particular player is just wearing last year’s version until the new ones arrive?

    *FYI, rest assured, the candy stripe pants stay the same.

  • Don | October 14, 2009 at 9:15 am |

    If I remember correctly, Kerry Cash had an FNOB because his brother Keith was also on that team.

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 9:17 am |

    Nike is selling Oregon State replica jerseys with different TV numbers on the two sleeves.

    Ebonrithmetic.

  • Les | October 14, 2009 at 9:19 am |

    [quote comment="354126"]Use some sunshine and some sweat my friend, these new polyester hats take more time to break in. As far as size goes I remember someone on these boards mentioning that new era uses multiple machines of various ages to make all the hats, which ends up causing varience in size from say one 7 1/2 to another 7 1/2. So dont buy them online, and if they still dont fit, wear it in the shower then wear it in the sun.[/quote]

    Thanks for the info ,unfortunatly im in Ireland so I always have 2 buy online.

    thanks
    Les

  • KimK | October 14, 2009 at 9:24 am |

    [quote comment="354129"]Nike is selling Oregon State replica jerseys with different TV numbers on the two sleeves.

    Ebonrithmetic.[/quote]

    Actually, those Oregon State jerseys have different numbers front and back, too.

    They should have picked four numbers for the four spots if they were going to be that goofy.

  • Roger Faso | October 14, 2009 at 9:30 am |

    About halfway down the photo archive, there is a pic of Al Woodall, with #15 TV number and #18 chest number.

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 9:33 am |

    unfortunatly im in Ireland

    Then you won’t need to wear them in the shower :)

  • MPowers1634 | October 14, 2009 at 9:35 am |

    [quote comment="354125"]Hi

    Has anyone considerd doing a report on the New Era performance 5950 caps now worn in MLB, I have only recently started replacing my old wool 5950s with the new poly ones ,but find it hard to get the right size ,this used to not be a problem as the old ones you cound mould and size to your head nomatter if it was slightly big or slightly small, but I cant seem to do that with the new ones.[/quote]

    Just yesterday I had to exchange two 5050′s becuase of inconsistant sizing.

    I will NEVER order them online because of this.

    The wool caps were easy to manipulate.

    This is a big nuisance for me:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 9:39 am |

    This is a big nuisance for me:

    http://i256.photobuc

    Dude, don’t those things get dusty?

  • peter | October 14, 2009 at 9:43 am |

    I personally like the American Needle caps better…fit better and better quality IMHO

  • tosaman | October 14, 2009 at 9:44 am |

    Speaking of Stan Mikita, can anyone tell me where I can find a photo on-line of the giant statue atop the Wayne’s World donut shop? I haven’t had any luck searching so far. There must have been a production still in the release media kit, right?

  • ry co 40 | October 14, 2009 at 9:44 am |

    [quote comment="354134"][quote comment="354125"]Hi

    Has anyone considerd doing a report on the New Era performance 5950 caps now worn in MLB, I have only recently started replacing my old wool 5950s with the new poly ones ,but find it hard to get the right size ,this used to not be a problem as the old ones you cound mould and size to your head nomatter if it was slightly big or slightly small, but I cant seem to do that with the new ones.[/quote]

    Just yesterday I had to exchange two 5050′s becuase of inconsistant sizing.

    I will NEVER order them online because of this.

    The wool caps were easy to manipulate.

    This is a big nuisance for me:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    so powers, do you ever cut out the white plastic part behind the front of the hat? serious question, not busting stones…

  • timmy b | October 14, 2009 at 9:46 am |

    With relatively few exceptions (Bruins with the shoulder insert, home Habs come to mind), from c.1971-72 to 1976-77, NHL teams with NNOB had the back numerals WAY down near the tail stripes. My guess is that they did this in case being on the NBC game or some other occasion, meant that if they had to slap on a nameplate, it wouldn’t cover up a portion of the numbers.

    The Sabres had a neat nameplate alignment when they were on NBC for a home game. They positioned the top portion of the temporary NOB plate flush with the edge of the blue shoulder insert and above the gold insert outline. Was fully serifed, too.

  • jeffdem | October 14, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    Some amazing pictures on that photo archive:

    One question:

    Why is OJ Simpson wearing a Chargers uniform?

  • Fleeser | October 14, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    Does anybody know what font that is on the Duquesne jersey?

  • War Damn Eagle | October 14, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    [quote comment="354128"]If I remember correctly, Kerry Cash had an FNOB because his brother Keith was also on that team.[/quote]

    Yes, but can’t find pic of Keith Cash’s NOB.

    http://www.utexascla...

  • Tom Servaux | October 14, 2009 at 9:56 am |

    I always thought that “Kerry Cash” was an ironic comment on the state of the Southwest Conference during the 80′s…

  • JTH | October 14, 2009 at 9:58 am |

    [quote comment="354141"]With relatively few exceptions (Bruins with the shoulder insert, home Habs come to mind), from c.1971-72 to 1976-77, NHL teams with NNOB had the back numerals WAY down near the tail stripes. My guess is that they did this in case being on the NBC game or some other occasion, meant that if they had to slap on a nameplate, it wouldn’t cover up a portion of the numbers.

    The Sabres had a neat nameplate alignment when they were on NBC for a home game. They positioned the top portion of the temporary NOB plate flush with the edge of the blue shoulder insert and above the gold insert outline. Was fully serifed, too.[/quote]

    Mikita was a Hawk during that era, but the jerseys in question were the late 50s/early 60s versions.

    Rewatching that video, I realize why the numbers were so low. During the warmups, the NOBs were present. Someone must have pointed out the error before they took the ice “for real” and the nameplates were removed.

  • JoeS | October 14, 2009 at 9:59 am |

    Those photos are amazing. Did anyone notice the typo on this one?
    http://imgs.inkfrog....

  • interlockingtc | October 14, 2009 at 10:04 am |

    Both Teams Played Hard is amazing.

    That Kentucky State shirt, with the simple silhouetted standing horse, really stands out. (Today, that horse would be a cartoonish beast rearing and snarling with one brow furrowed, jumping over some ridiculous looking wordmark—’cause, you know, that’s intimidating.)

    The simplicity of design is striking and wonderful.

  • RS Rogers | October 14, 2009 at 10:05 am |

    Regarding that Quaker Oats jacket, my dad went to college in Cedar Rapids (at Coe College) and worked at the Quaker Oats plant downtown nights to pay his way to a philosophy degree. He used to tell stories of working the machine that blows dog kibble into 50-lb bags. This was the very late 1950s and early 1960s. Anyway, point is, Quaker had both amateur and semi-pro teams back in those days.

    No idea what nicknames any of the teams might have used, but “Quaker Oats” would be more of a location or sponsor name, not a team nickname. More like “New York” than “Mets”.

  • LI Phil | October 14, 2009 at 10:06 am |

    [quote]powers, do you ever cut out the white plastic part behind the front of the hat? serious question, not busting stones[/quote]

    too late for that

    and what the hell is a 5050?

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 10:10 am |

    Holy shit, the photo archive is exhausting:
    always wanted a picture of “Salami”.

  • Ricko | October 14, 2009 at 10:14 am |

    [quote comment="354132"]About halfway down the photo archive, there is a pic of Al Woodall, with #15 TV number and #18 chest number.[/quote]

    Blew that thing up. That’s white training tape on the front number, a not-so-well-executed change of 15 to 18. Lotsa wrinkles and crinkles compared to the 1, which wasn’t messed with.

    Can’t say for sure, but I’d suppose it’s simply that for some reason Woodall’s regular jersey wasn’t available for the photo shoot.

    —Ricko

  • ry co 40 | October 14, 2009 at 10:16 am |

    [quote comment="354150"][quote]powers, do you ever cut out the white plastic part behind the front of the hat? serious question, not busting stones[/quote]

    too late for that

    and what the hell is a 5050?[/quote]

    5050? not a clue…

  • Michael Niekamp | October 14, 2009 at 10:16 am |

    Buy your new 5950′s a size bigger than you normally would. The first time you sweat in them they will shrink down perfectly. I had to buy two Mets “I am Calling it Shea” first season hats becasue the first was too small after it got wet.

  • M.Princip | October 14, 2009 at 10:20 am |

    These must be some clumsy ass white boys. Damn, kneepads anyone?

    http://imgs.inkfrog....

  • Todd | October 14, 2009 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment="354127"]Regarding the Indiana player …

    I mentioned this in the comments section here a few weeks ago, apparently, IU is getting new hoops uniforms* (adidas) this season. Source: their Rivals site editor.

    Perhaps this particular player is just wearing last year’s version until the new ones arrive?

    *FYI, rest assured, the candy stripe pants stay the same.[/quote]

    The trident on the front collar has been removed, but they’ve been using adidas since RMK was fired.

  • John M | October 14, 2009 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=\"354127\"]Regarding the Indiana player …

    I mentioned this in the comments section here a few weeks ago, apparently, IU is getting new hoops uniforms* (adidas) this season. Source: their Rivals site editor.

    Perhaps this particular player is just wearing last year\’s version until the new ones arrive?

    *FYI, rest assured, the candy stripe pants stay the same.[/quote]

    Ugh, I had forgotten about the new uniforms. I await them with trepidation. I\’m assuming the cut of the uniform will be the only significant uniforms. Personally, I don\’t care for the wifebeater-and-koulats look that Nike and Adidas are peddling these days, but whatever.

    As for the Creek photo, my guess is that it\’s not uncommon to photograph incoming players that way. If you look at Creek\’s bio page, it\’s the same photo, but on that page it\’s cropped in such a way that you can\’t tell there is no number.

  • LI Phil | October 14, 2009 at 10:23 am |

    [quote comment="354152"][quote comment="354132"]About halfway down the photo archive, there is a pic of Al Woodall, with #15 TV number and #18 chest number.[/quote]

    Blew that thing up. That’s white training tape on the front number, a not-so-well-executed change of 15 to 18. Lotsa wrinkles and crinkles compared to the 1, which wasn’t messed with.

    Can’t say for sure, but I’d suppose it’s simply that for some reason Woodall’s regular jersey wasn’t available for the photo shoot.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    pic

    i hadn’t seen the comment on that and was just prepared to post the pic … terrific photos on there, dig the spring training shot (looks like catalina island, maybe) with the cubbies

    and is al carlson wearing one high top and one low cut?

  • chance michaels | October 14, 2009 at 10:25 am |

    [quote comment="354154"]Buy your new 5950′s a size bigger than you normally would. The first time you sweat in them they will shrink down perfectly. I had to buy two Mets “I am Calling it Shea” first season hats becasue the first was too small after it got wet.[/quote]
    How does a polyester cap shrink from getting wet?

  • MPowers1634 | October 14, 2009 at 10:30 am |

    [quote comment="354140"][quote comment="354134"][quote comment="354125"]Hi

    Has anyone considerd doing a report on the New Era performance 5950 caps now worn in MLB, I have only recently started replacing my old wool 5950s with the new poly ones ,but find it hard to get the right size ,this used to not be a problem as the old ones you cound mould and size to your head nomatter if it was slightly big or slightly small, but I cant seem to do that with the new ones.[/quote]

    Just yesterday I had to exchange two 5050′s becuase of inconsistant sizing.

    I will NEVER order them online because of this.

    The wool caps were easy to manipulate.

    This is a big nuisance for me:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

    so powers, do you ever cut out the white plastic part behind the front of the hat? serious question, not busting stones…[/quote]

    NO!!!!!!!!!!I am part of the flat brim brotherhood as well as the high crown.

    When I used to wear the bar college caps by The Game, I would but no longer.

  • Andy11 | October 14, 2009 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment="354155"]These must be some clumsy ass white boys. Damn, kneepads anyone?

    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    Thanks for pointing out that they’re white.

  • RS Rogers | October 14, 2009 at 10:58 am |

    [quote comment="354159"][quote comment="354154"]Buy your new 5950′s a size bigger than you normally would. The first time you sweat in them they will shrink down perfectly. I had to buy two Mets “I am Calling it Shea” first season hats becasue the first was too small after it got wet.[/quote]
    How does a polyester cap shrink from getting wet?[/quote]

    It doesn’t. Tales of the new 5950s “shrinking” are myths. Strongly believed, but not true.

    The sweatband in the poly caps seems to have a tiny bit of shrink to it, but not much, and the cap itself simply will not shrink to fit your head. The cap will in time slightly conform to the shape of your head, so it will get more comfortable as the natural circle of the cap shifts into an oval, but that’s not shrinkage.

    Personally, I’ve had much better results with the new poly 5950s, precisely because the sizes tend to be more regular and they don’t shrink. I used to have to discard caps after a year or so, because they’d have shrunk too much, but none of my poly 5950s have worn out. Also, I mostly buy them online, and have not yet had one fail to fit properly.

    But I do remove the stiff backing on every cap I buy. Makes a world of difference in fit and comfort.

  • LI Phil | October 14, 2009 at 11:00 am |

    [quote comment="354161"][quote comment="354155"]These must be some clumsy ass white boys. Damn, kneepads anyone?

    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    Thanks for pointing out that they’re white.[/quote]

    that’s the south philly hebrew association…they played in the american basketball league for like 30 years (and would have played longer, were it not for the NBA coming into being); i think they won like 8 or 9 titles in the ABL

    probably wore those kneepads cuz they dribbled circles around their opponents asses (im pretty sure in this time of the development of the game of hoops, players routinely went down on one knee to dribble or pass, unlike today’s game)

    white boys? i guess so; but clumsy? doubt it

  • Ricko | October 14, 2009 at 11:02 am |

    [quote comment="354161"][quote comment="354155"]These must be some clumsy ass white boys. Damn, kneepads anyone?

    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    Thanks for pointing out that they’re white.[/quote]

    So maybe they were the SPHA Stumblers.

    Team motto was something like, “Dribble. Trip. Repeat.”

    —Ricko

  • Gusto44 | October 14, 2009 at 11:04 am |

    [quote comment="354155"]These must be some clumsy ass white boys. Damn, kneepads anyone?

    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    Everybody, take a closer look at this photo, specifically, the guy on the far left with the crossed arms. Notice anything strange? Those ears are so pointy, I thought I was watching a Star Trek rerun! That guy had to be a Vulcan, and not a Birmingham Vulcan. Of course, Satan has pointy ears, too.

  • Joe Hilseberg | October 14, 2009 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment="354138"]I personally like the American Needle caps better…fit better and better quality IMHO[/quote]

    Preach on! I refuse to buy a New Era hat…they look ridiculous on anyone with a size 7 1/8 or smaller head. It’s like they are designing them to be worn with the silly straight brim that is plaguing pop culture now and not the true baseball fan who wants to wear a cap of his/her favorite team.

    American Needle hats are superior in every way.

  • Paul Lukas | October 14, 2009 at 11:08 am |

    [quote comment="354163"][quote comment="354161"][quote comment="354155"]These must be some clumsy ass white boys. Damn, kneepads anyone?

    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    Thanks for pointing out that they’re white.[/quote]

    that’s the south philly hebrew association…they played in the american basketball league for like 30 years (and would have played longer, were it not for the NBA coming into being); i think they won like 8 or 9 titles in the ABL

    probably wore those kneepads cuz they dribbled circles around their opponents asses (im pretty sure in this time of the development of the game of hoops, players routinely went down on one knee to dribble or pass, unlike today’s game)

    white boys? i guess so; but clumsy? doubt it[/quote]

    More importantly, kneepads were standard basketball fare in those days — everyone wore them.

  • Ricko | October 14, 2009 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment="354164"][quote comment="354161"][quote comment="354155"]These must be some clumsy ass white boys. Damn, kneepads anyone?

    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    Thanks for pointing out that they’re white.[/quote]

    So maybe they were the SPHA Stumblers.

    Team motto was something like, “Dribble. Trip. Repeat.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Please let me make something clear. I know who they were.
    I just flashed on this image of the World’s Clumsiest Basketball Team.
    No shot at the South Philly Hebrew Association intended.

    —Ricko

  • Jordan Sogn | October 14, 2009 at 11:16 am |

    Since I’m going to be in Minneapolis this weekend & won’t be checking in to the comments until Monday, I’d like to give a shout out to my second favorite unicentric game…OU/Texas (my favorite is OU at Nebraska) coming up Saturday at 11:00. This year the Sooners are the away team so this is how it’ll look (hopefully the scoreboard will be the same as well!).

    http://www.soonerspo...

    Cheers!

  • Ricko | October 14, 2009 at 11:19 am |

    [quote comment="354169"]Since I’m going to be in Minneapolis this weekend & won’t be checking in to the comments until Monday, I’d like to give a shout out to my second favorite unicentric game…OU/Texas (my favorite is OU at Nebraska) coming up Saturday at 11:00. This year the Sooners are the away team so this is how it’ll look (hopefully the scoreboard will be the same as well!).

    http://www.soonerspo...

    Cheers![/quote]

    Please, Texas, wear white socks.

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 11:23 am |
  • M.Princip | October 14, 2009 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment="354168"][quote comment="354164"][quote comment="354161"][quote comment="354155"]These must be some clumsy ass white boys. Damn, kneepads anyone?

    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    Thanks for pointing out that they’re white.[/quote]

    So maybe they were the SPHA Stumblers.

    Team motto was something like, “Dribble. Trip. Repeat.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Please let me make something clear. I know who they were.
    I just flashed on this image of the World’s Clumsiest Basketball Team.
    No shot at the South Philly Hebrew Association intended.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Ditto, no ill will intended. “players routinely went down on one knee to dribble or pass…..” That’s interesting. I only thought the Harlem Globetrotters did that. So, you’re telling me the South Philly Hebrew Association did that way before them? Damn!

  • Kek | October 14, 2009 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment="354166"][quote comment="354138"]I personally like the American Needle caps better…fit better and better quality IMHO[/quote]

    Preach on! I refuse to buy a New Era hat…they look ridiculous on anyone with a size 7 1/8 or smaller head. It’s like they are designing them to be worn with the silly straight brim that is plaguing pop culture now and not the true baseball fan who wants to wear a cap of his/her favorite team.

    American Needle hats are superior in every way.[/quote]
    If I may jump into the fray, I’m sure the American Needle caps do fit/look better. I don’t know for sure, I’ve never owned one, but I’ve heard this before. However, this really isn’t an alternative for those of us that really would like to have an on-field cap. It would be like talking to people that like NFL authentic jerseys and someone saying “the cheap knockoffs from Kohl’s are more comfortable”.

    I’m in the middle of breaking in my first of the new 5950s (a Pirates’ alt with the white outline) and I’m having a terrible time getting it just right. I gutted it and the crown looks good, but the sides of the hat are still too straight and I’m not sure what to do (Connelly, I haven’t yet submerged in water like you suggested, never had to do that to any other hat I gutted and I’m a little gun shy).

    By no means am I a rookie at this, in fact I own several 5950s, all gutted (with the exception of my Pirates’ ASG model which I really bought as a display item). I actually used to make a few bucks on the side when I worked at the Pirates Clubhouse gutting hats for customers. I haven’t had this much trouble in any other cap and I have to think it’s because it’s a newer, poly one.

    As far as pop culture, flat brims, etc, I don’t think New Era is doing that much different to the game hats as far as highness, etc. I think it’s just that since the style is popular, we see it more. 5950s were always a pain (but boy when you get one nice they look good).

    I know this would be a money grab that a lot of us normally scoff at, but I wonder why New Era doesn’t delve into two separate game models: say a 5950 for players/coaches/fans that want a higher profile and maybe a 4940 for those of us that already want one broken in?

    Don’t you guys think that New Era probably loses a lot more in sales because of people passing them up because they’re too high? They could have their cake and eat it too and both types of customers would be happy.

  • Anthony | October 14, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    In regards to the “bizarre” picture above, I attend Edinboro (now a University) and while I can’t excuse the plaid, I can explain it. The town of Edinboro, PA and the school were founded by Scottish immigrants. Thus, the school’s official color, for lack of a better word, is Royal Stuart Tartan plaid. While we still celebrate the heritage with a bag pipe band and the like, thankfully the teams just stick to red and white now. The other team pictured is from Slippery Rock University, commonly referred to as, “The Rock,” hence the jerseys.

  • JTH | October 14, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    [quote comment="354156"][quote comment="354127"]Regarding the Indiana player …

    I mentioned this in the comments section here a few weeks ago, apparently, IU is getting new hoops uniforms* (adidas) this season. Source: their Rivals site editor.

    Perhaps this particular player is just wearing last year’s version until the new ones arrive?

    *FYI, rest assured, the candy stripe pants stay the same.[/quote]

    The trident on the front collar has been removed, but they’ve been using adidas since RMK was fired.[/quote]
    Adidas came back midway through Mike Davis’ tenure. They were wearing Nike when he started. You can see a Nike uni in this shot from the 2002 NCAA title game. I want to say that Adidas came back for the 2003-04 season. And when Nike departed, the front collar logo went with them.

  • Ricko | October 14, 2009 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment="354172"][quote comment="354168"][quote comment="354164"][quote comment="354161"][quote comment="354155"]These must be some clumsy ass white boys. Damn, kneepads anyone?

    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    Thanks for pointing out that they’re white.[/quote]

    So maybe they were the SPHA Stumblers.

    Team motto was something like, “Dribble. Trip. Repeat.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Please let me make something clear. I know who they were.
    I just flashed on this image of the World’s Clumsiest Basketball Team.
    No shot at the South Philly Hebrew Association intended.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Ditto, no ill will intended. “players routinely went down on one knee to dribble or pass…..” That’s interesting. I only thought the Harlem Globetrotters did that. So, you’re telling me the South Philly Hebrew Association did that way before them? Damn![/quote]

    ‘Tis true. See it every once in a while in old footage. Much more of a floor game in its early years.

    I don’t think back then anyone had any idea whatsoever that the game would eventually be played—at its most-skilled level—above the rim. I think that notion would have flabbergasted players of that era.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | October 14, 2009 at 11:40 am |

    [quote comment="354172"][quote comment="354168"][quote comment="354164"][quote comment="354161"][quote comment="354155"]These must be some clumsy ass white boys. Damn, kneepads anyone?

    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    Thanks for pointing out that they’re white.[/quote]

    So maybe they were the SPHA Stumblers.

    Team motto was something like, “Dribble. Trip. Repeat.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Please let me make something clear. I know who they were.
    I just flashed on this image of the World’s Clumsiest Basketball Team.
    No shot at the South Philly Hebrew Association intended.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Ditto, no ill will intended. “players routinely went down on one knee to dribble or pass…..” That’s interesting. I only thought the Harlem Globetrotters did that. So, you’re telling me the South Philly Hebrew Association did that way before them? Damn![/quote]

    yup

    and the SPHAs, from what i understand, were quote the showmen on the courts; they wore kneepads, as did other teams as standard gear back in the day

  • AL | October 14, 2009 at 11:47 am |

    [quote comment="354173"][quote comment="354166"][quote comment="354138"]I personally like the American Needle caps better…fit better and better quality IMHO[/quote]

    Preach on! I refuse to buy a New Era hat…they look ridiculous on anyone with a size 7 1/8 or smaller head. It’s like they are designing them to be worn with the silly straight brim that is plaguing pop culture now and not the true baseball fan who wants to wear a cap of his/her favorite team.

    American Needle hats are superior in every way.[/quote]
    If I may jump into the fray, I’m sure the American Needle caps do fit/look better. I don’t know for sure, I’ve never owned one, but I’ve heard this before. However, this really isn’t an alternative for those of us that really would like to have an on-field cap. It would be like talking to people that like NFL authentic jerseys and someone saying “the cheap knockoffs from Kohl’s are more comfortable”.

    I’m in the middle of breaking in my first of the new 5950s (a Pirates’ alt with the white outline) and I’m having a terrible time getting it just right. I gutted it and the crown looks good, but the sides of the hat are still too straight and I’m not sure what to do (Connelly, I haven’t yet submerged in water like you suggested, never had to do that to any other hat I gutted and I’m a little gun shy).

    By no means am I a rookie at this, in fact I own several 5950s, all gutted (with the exception of my Pirates’ ASG model which I really bought as a display item). I actually used to make a few bucks on the side when I worked at the Pirates Clubhouse gutting hats for customers.

    I haven’t had this much trouble in any other cap and I have to think it’s because it’s a newer, poly one.

    As far as pop culture, flat brims, etc, I don’t think New Era is doing that much different to the game hats as far as highness, etc. I think it’s just that since the style is popular, we see it more. 5950s were always a pain (but boy when you get one nice they look good).

    I know this would be a money grab that a lot of us normally scoff at, but I wonder why New Era doesn’t delve into two separate game models: say a 5950 for players/coaches/fans that want a higher profile and maybe a 4940 for those of us that already want one broken in?

    Don’t you guys think that New Era probably loses a lot more in sales because of people passing them up because they’re too high? They could have their cake and eat it too and both types of customers would be happy.[/quote]

    Few weeks back I picked up a Pirates 1970 lid that I cherish… can’t wait for the gold to fade a bit like those old photograhphes of the wonderful Clemente. Only down side is it’s not a franchise hat which I love… and the fit is less than scintillating. oh well.

  • Ricko | October 14, 2009 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment="354177"][quote comment="354172"][quote comment="354168"][quote comment="354164"][quote comment="354161"][quote comment="354155"]These must be some clumsy ass white boys. Damn, kneepads anyone?

    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    Thanks for pointing out that they’re white.[/quote]

    So maybe they were the SPHA Stumblers.

    Team motto was something like, “Dribble. Trip. Repeat.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Please let me make something clear. I know who they were.
    I just flashed on this image of the World’s Clumsiest Basketball Team.
    No shot at the South Philly Hebrew Association intended.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Ditto, no ill will intended. “players routinely went down on one knee to dribble or pass…..” That’s interesting. I only thought the Harlem Globetrotters did that. So, you’re telling me the South Philly Hebrew Association did that way before them? Damn![/quote]

    yup

    and the SPHAs, from what i understand, were quote the showmen on the courts; they wore kneepads, as did other teams as standard gear back in the day[/quote]

    Know what else?
    1. Lot more concern for infection back then. Floor burns were something to worry about. This was before Bactine, remember. Anyone here ever had Iodine poured onto an open wound or skinned knee? Ouch. Big, BIG ouch.
    2. Think about the courts they played on. Hardly as well maintained as those today. I wouldn’t be surprised if they also didn’t think about the occasional sliver (of sorts), or nail head, or floor peg sticking up. Just a lot more aberrations in the playing surfaces.

    —Ricko

  • peter | October 14, 2009 at 11:53 am |

    Re: 59/50′s

    New Era has 39/30′s

    And also, “broken” in caps is just not part of their product line

  • josh | October 14, 2009 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment="354169"]Since I’m going to be in Minneapolis this weekend & won’t be checking in to the comments until Monday, I’d like to give a shout out to my second favorite unicentric game…OU/Texas (my favorite is OU at Nebraska) coming up Saturday at 11:00. This year the Sooners are the away team so this is how it’ll look (hopefully the scoreboard will be the same as well!).

    http://www.soonerspo...

    Cheers![/quote]

    picture 11- looks like good ol’ JR is really into the game. BAH GAWD!

  • JimV19 | October 14, 2009 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment="354145"]I always thought that “Kerry Cash” was an ironic comment on the state of the Southwest Conference during the 80′s…[/quote]

    Quote of the day nominee #1!

  • Mark M | October 14, 2009 at 11:58 am |

    Are we sure Nike didn’t come in with Mike Davis at Indiana? I had a weak affinity for addidas in the 90′s because they were Indiana’s supplier.

    What little I thought about their shoe supplier was because it was widely reported that RMK didn’t pocket the shoe money, but rather let the University/Athletic Department keep it.

  • Kek | October 14, 2009 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment="354180"]Re: 59/50′s

    New Era has 39/30′s

    And also, “broken” in caps is just not part of their product line[/quote]
    Aren’t the 3930s the micromesh or whatever, BP caps?

  • EddieAtari | October 14, 2009 at 12:00 pm |

    Thank you, Warren Humphrey. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! You’re photo archive made my morning… I love this blog!!!

  • JimV19 | October 14, 2009 at 12:08 pm |

    [quote comment="354151"]Holy shit, the photo archive is exhausting:
    always wanted a picture of “Salami”.[/quote]

    It was worth it, though – not just for the White Shadow photo, http://imgs.inkfrog.... but for this beauty of Dr. J: http://imgs.inkfrog....
    Love this uniform: http://imgs.inkfrog....
    Too bad I don’t like either team, or this would be a great photo: http://imgs.inkfrog....
    Not only is OJ wearing a Chargers jersey, it looks as if he’s sitting on an old AFC Pro bowl helmet: http://imgs.inkfrog....

  • rhdii | October 14, 2009 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment="354169"]Since I’m going to be in Minneapolis this weekend & won’t be checking in to the comments until Monday, I’d like to give a shout out to my second favorite unicentric game…OU/Texas (my favorite is OU at Nebraska) coming up Saturday at 11:00. This year the Sooners are the away team so this is how it’ll look (hopefully the scoreboard will be the same as well!).

    http://www.soonerspo...

    Cheers![/quote]

    Born and raised in Texas, living in Dallas for 20 years, this is my favorite sports weekend. The Friday night festivities around town, the State Fair, a year’s worth of bragging (or sulking), and a great uniform matchup that’s been essentially unchanged for 50 years.

    Texas in orange this year but I prefer this matchup when OU is in crimson and UT in white. It just looks cleaner that way. Still, when the weekend’s top uni matchups are published, this has got to be #1.

    HOOK ‘EM!

  • peter | October 14, 2009 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment="354184"][quote comment="354180"]Re: 59/50′s

    New Era has 39/30′s

    And also, “broken” in caps is just not part of their product line[/quote]
    Aren’t the 3930s the micromesh or whatever, BP caps?[/quote]

    Yes…the inseam tells you it is 39/30…39/30′s also used to be a different material back in the mid 90′s…

  • Ricko | October 14, 2009 at 12:18 pm |

    Looks like Gary Collins (86) is gonna be seriously open in the end zone.
    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    Collins has an interesting place in NFL Marketing History. Way back when, I believe it was McDonalds had a “collect the NFL player stickers” promotion, and if you got them all, the grand prize was huge.

    Well, kids starting collecting them and, as the promotion neared it’s end, it became obvious that the Gary Collins sticker was the Holy Grail of the deal. Newspapers, TV stations, radio personalities even talked about it. “Who will finally get Gary Collins? Will ANYONE get Gary Collins?” Think someone did, but can’t remember where they lived. Want to say was in Ohio.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | October 14, 2009 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment="354183"]Are we sure Nike didn’t come in with Mike Davis at Indiana?[/quote]
    That’s exactly when they (and their stupid front collar logos) came in.

    In Knight’s last season, I don’t know who provided the shoes, but Logo Athletic made the unis. The final season for the Knight/Adidas combo was 1991-92.

    92-93: Champion
    93-97: Starter
    97-2000: Logo Athletic

  • Joe Hilseberg | October 14, 2009 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment="354188"][quote comment="354184"][quote comment="354180"]Re: 59/50′s

    New Era has 39/30′s

    And also, “broken” in caps is just not part of their product line[/quote]
    Aren’t the 3930s the micromesh or whatever, BP caps?[/quote]

    Yes…the inseam tells you it is 39/30…39/30′s also used to be a different material back in the mid 90′s…[/quote]

    Another pet peeve of mine about the 5950 is the actual brim. It is more like a half circle:
    http://www.flatspot....

    http://www.simplysne...

    Where the AN hats are more squared off which makes for a better look if you curve your brim:
    http://cdn3.ioffer.c...

    http://www.strictlyf...

    I wear glasses, and have a small dome, so the 5950 brim is monstrous on my head and doesn’t bend well with the glasses on.

  • peter | October 14, 2009 at 12:33 pm |

    Joe: I strongly recommend the American Needle Brand (where you can find it)..I hate 59/50′s personally, I cannot stand the brim and the overall look/feel of the hat is just not good on me…

  • JimV19 | October 14, 2009 at 12:34 pm |

    [quote comment="354187"][quote comment="354169"]Since I’m going to be in Minneapolis this weekend & won’t be checking in to the comments until Monday, I’d like to give a shout out to my second favorite unicentric game…OU/Texas (my favorite is OU at Nebraska) coming up Saturday at 11:00. This year the Sooners are the away team so this is how it’ll look (hopefully the scoreboard will be the same as well!).

    http://www.soonerspo...

    Cheers![/quote]

    Born and raised in Texas, living in Dallas for 20 years, this is my favorite sports weekend. The Friday night festivities around town, the State Fair, a year’s worth of bragging (or sulking), and a great uniform matchup that’s been essentially unchanged for 50 years.

    Texas in orange this year but I prefer this matchup when OU is in crimson and UT in white. It just looks cleaner that way. Still, when the weekend’s top uni matchups are published, this has got to be #1.

    HOOK ‘EM![/quote]

    I don’t know…USC/ND is a possibility. Plus every week I usually find a surprise matchup that doesn’t come to mind until I actually see them in action. I agree about OU/Texas looking better when Texas is in all white.

    Too bad they’re playing tonight instead, ’cause Boise State and Tulsa could have contended for Saturday’s worst uni matchup…

  • M.Princip | October 14, 2009 at 12:35 pm |

    [quote comment="354179"][quote comment="354177"][quote comment="354172"][quote comment="354168"][quote comment="354164"][quote comment="354161"][quote comment="354155"]These must be some clumsy ass white boys. Damn, kneepads anyone?

    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    Thanks for pointing out that they’re white.[/quote]

    So maybe they were the SPHA Stumblers.

    Team motto was something like, “Dribble. Trip. Repeat.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Please let me make something clear. I know who they were.
    I just flashed on this image of the World’s Clumsiest Basketball Team.
    No shot at the South Philly Hebrew Association intended.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Ditto, no ill will intended. “players routinely went down on one knee to dribble or pass…..” That’s interesting. I only thought the Harlem Globetrotters did that. So, you’re telling me the South Philly Hebrew Association did that way before them? Damn![/quote]

    yup

    and the SPHAs, from what i understand, were quote the showmen on the courts; they wore kneepads, as did other teams as standard gear back in the day[/quote]

    Know what else?
    1. Lot more concern for infection back then. Floor burns were something to worry about. This was before Bactine, remember. Anyone here ever had Iodine poured onto an open wound or skinned knee? Ouch. Big, BIG ouch.
    2. Think about the courts they played on. Hardly as well maintained as those today. I wouldn’t be surprised if they also didn’t think about the occasional sliver (of sorts), or nail head, or floor peg sticking up. Just a lot more aberrations in the playing surfaces.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    That really is very cool. Thanks for the basketball history lesson guys.

  • MPowers1634 | October 14, 2009 at 12:43 pm |

    [quote comment="354190"][quote comment="354183"]Are we sure Nike didn’t come in with Mike Davis at Indiana?[/quote]
    That’s exactly when they (and their stupid front collar logos) came in.

    In Knight’s last season, I don’t know who provided the shoes, but Logo Athletic made the unis. The final season for the Knight/Adidas combo was 1991-92.

    92-93: Champion
    93-97: Starter
    97-2000: Logo Athletic[/quote]

    The year that they were in 6he NCAA Final with Jared Jeffries and Tom Coverdale, they were outfitted by Nike. They wore the Nike Air Max Elite and the Shox BB4, my fave basketball shoe of all time.

    http://cache1.asset-...

    http://graphics.fans...

    As for the rest of the time, I can only remember them as an Adidas school, like Duke during the Hurley days.

  • JTH | October 14, 2009 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote comment="354195"][quote comment="354190"][quote comment="354183"]Are we sure Nike didn’t come in with Mike Davis at Indiana?[/quote]
    That’s exactly when they (and their stupid front collar logos) came in.

    In Knight’s last season, I don’t know who provided the shoes, but Logo Athletic made the unis. The final season for the Knight/Adidas combo was 1991-92.

    92-93: Champion
    93-97: Starter
    97-2000: Logo Athletic[/quote]

    The year that they were in 6he NCAA Final with Jared Jeffries and Tom Coverdale, they were outfitted by Nike. They wore the Nike Air Max Elite and the Shox BB4, my fave basketball shoe of all time.

    http://cache1.asset-...

    http://graphics.fans...

    As for the rest of the time, I can only remember them as an Adidas school, like Duke during the Hurley days.[/quote]
    As I mentioned, I really don’t know who was providing the shoes from 92/93 thru 99/2000. Is it possible that it was Adidas even though other companies were making the unis?

  • Hank | October 14, 2009 at 12:47 pm |

    [quote comment="354139"]Speaking of Stan Mikita, can anyone tell me where I can find a photo on-line of the giant statue atop the Wayne’s World donut shop? I haven’t had any luck searching so far. There must have been a production still in the release media kit, right?[/quote]

    I think this is the location used in movie (and a great movie it was) http://www.themepark...

  • MPowers1634 | October 14, 2009 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment="354195"][quote comment="354190"][quote comment="354183"]Are we sure Nike didn’t come in with Mike Davis at Indiana?[/quote]
    That’s exactly when they (and their stupid front collar logos) came in.

    In Knight’s last season, I don’t know who provided the shoes, but Logo Athletic made the unis. The final season for the Knight/Adidas combo was 1991-92.

    92-93: Champion
    93-97: Starter
    97-2000: Logo Athletic[/quote]

    The year that they were in 6he NCAA Final with Jared Jeffries and Tom Coverdale, they were outfitted by Nike. They wore the Nike Air Max Elite and the Shox BB4, my fave basketball shoe of all time.

    http://cache1.asset-...

    http://graphics.fans...

    As for the rest of the time, I can only remember them as an Adidas school, like Duke during the Hurley days.[/quote]

    Calbert Cheaney:

    http://i.cdn.turner....

  • Ricko | October 14, 2009 at 12:54 pm |

    re: Kneepads
    And there’s this guy…
    http://images.chron....

    …who was such a force that he changed the game: They moved the lines out, and the key didn’t look like a key anymore. All because of George Mikan.

    Interesting, shows him in #21…but he made #99 famous (which I think the T-Wolves should have retired a long time ago…just for the sake of NBA history in Minnesota).

    —Ricko

  • MPowers1634 | October 14, 2009 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment="354196"][quote comment="354195"][quote comment="354190"][quote comment="354183"]Are we sure Nike didn’t come in with Mike Davis at Indiana?[/quote]
    That’s exactly when they (and their stupid front collar logos) came in.

    In Knight’s last season, I don’t know who provided the shoes, but Logo Athletic made the unis. The final season for the Knight/Adidas combo was 1991-92.

    92-93: Champion
    93-97: Starter
    97-2000: Logo Athletic[/quote]

    The year that they were in 6he NCAA Final with Jared Jeffries and Tom Coverdale, they were outfitted by Nike. They wore the Nike Air Max Elite and the Shox BB4, my fave basketball shoe of all time.

    http://cache1.asset-...

    http://graphics.fans...

    As for the rest of the time, I can only remember them as an Adidas school, like Duke during the Hurley days.[/quote]
    As I mentioned, I really don’t know who was providing the shoes from 92/93 thru 99/2000. Is it possible that it was Adidas even though other companies were making the unis?[/quote]

    Absolutely. It is similar to when teams, like Georgia Tech or Auburn at one time, are outfitted by brands like Russell, whom do not make shoes.

    http://i.cdn.turner....

    http://grfx.cstv.com...

  • JTH | October 14, 2009 at 12:57 pm |

    [quote comment="354198"]

    Calbert Cheaney:

    http://i.cdn.turner....
    Is that from the 1991 NCAA tournament?

    Freshman year, he was in my sociology class. I’m told he showed up more often than I did.

  • b-t-p-h | October 14, 2009 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote comment="354163"][quote comment="354161"][quote comment="354155"]These must be some clumsy ass white boys. Damn, kneepads anyone?

    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    Thanks for pointing out that they’re white.[/quote]
    Future HOFer Eddie Gottlieb is pictured on the far right in the SPHAS team photo…

    that’s the south philly hebrew association…they played in the american basketball league for like 30 years (and would have played longer, were it not for the NBA coming into being); i think they won like 8 or 9 titles in the ABL

    probably wore those kneepads cuz they dribbled circles around their opponents asses (im pretty sure in this time of the development of the game of hoops, players routinely went down on one knee to dribble or pass, unlike today’s game)

    white boys? i guess so; but clumsy? doubt it[/quote]

  • Kenny Jacobson | October 14, 2009 at 1:01 pm |

    [quote comment="354173"][quote comment="354166"][quote comment="354138"]I personally like the American Needle caps better…fit better and better quality IMHO[/quote]

    Preach on! I refuse to buy a New Era hat…they look ridiculous on anyone with a size 7 1/8 or smaller head. It’s like they are designing them to be worn with the silly straight brim that is plaguing pop culture now and not the true baseball fan who wants to wear a cap of his/her favorite team.

    American Needle hats are superior in every way.[/quote]
    If I may jump into the fray, I’m sure the American Needle caps do fit/look better. I don’t know for sure, I’ve never owned one, but I’ve heard this before. However, this really isn’t an alternative for those of us that really would like to have an on-field cap. It would be like talking to people that like NFL authentic jerseys and someone saying “the cheap knockoffs from Kohl’s are more comfortable”.

    I’m in the middle of breaking in my first of the new 5950s (a Pirates’ alt with the white outline) and I’m having a terrible time getting it just right. I gutted it and the crown looks good, but the sides of the hat are still too straight and I’m not sure what to do (Connelly, I haven’t yet submerged in water like you suggested, never had to do that to any other hat I gutted and I’m a little gun shy).

    By no means am I a rookie at this, in fact I own several 5950s, all gutted (with the exception of my Pirates’ ASG model which I really bought as a display item). I actually used to make a few bucks on the side when I worked at the Pirates Clubhouse gutting hats for customers.

    I haven’t had this much trouble in any other cap and I have to think it’s because it’s a newer, poly one.

    As far as pop culture, flat brims, etc, I don’t think New Era is doing that much different to the game hats as far as highness, etc. I think it’s just that since the style is popular, we see it more. 5950s were always a pain (but boy when you get one nice they look good).

    I know this would be a money grab that a lot of us normally scoff at, but I wonder why New Era doesn’t delve into two separate game models: say a 5950 for players/coaches/fans that want a higher profile and maybe a 4940 for those of us that already want one broken in?

    Don’t you guys think that New Era probably loses a lot more in sales because of people passing them up because they’re too high? They could have their cake and eat it too and both types of customers would be happy.[/quote]
    Didn’t New Era make a ‘low profile’ version of the 5950 awhile back?

  • b-t-p-h | October 14, 2009 at 1:04 pm |

    [quote comment="354142"]Some amazing pictures on that photo archive:

    One question:

    Why is OJ Simpson wearing a Chargers uniform?[/quote]

    During practice for the 1977 Pro-Bowl, the teams worked out in San Diego because of bad weather in Seattle. Extra Chargers unis were used for practice.

  • MPowers1634 | October 14, 2009 at 1:05 pm |

    [quote comment="354201"][quote comment="354198"]

    Calbert Cheaney:

    http://i.cdn.turner....
    Is that from the 1991 NCAA tournament?

    Freshman year, he was in my sociology class. I’m told he showed up more often than I did.[/quote]

    Yes, they beat the Noles 82-60.
    Tisk, Tisk!

  • JimV19 | October 14, 2009 at 1:09 pm |

    Speaking of shoes, guys, isn’t OJ wearing an old brand called SpotBilt? http://imgs.inkfrog....
    I seem to recall him endorsing those.

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 1:09 pm |

    Tisk, Tisk!
    that’d be tsk, tsk
    Tut,Tut!

  • LI Phil | October 14, 2009 at 1:10 pm |

    [quote comment="354201"][quote comment="354198"]

    Calbert Cheaney:

    http://i.cdn.turner....
    Is that from the 1991 NCAA tournament?

    Freshman year, he was in my sociology class. I’m told he showed up more often than I did.[/quote]

    say if you feel alright

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 1:12 pm |

    [quote comment="354206"]Speaking of shoes, guys, isn’t OJ wearing an old brand called SpotBilt? http://imgs.inkfrog....
    I seem to recall him endorsing those.[/quote]

    thought he usually went with high cuts though

  • iLO | October 14, 2009 at 1:12 pm |

    Zephyr Logo = ATTACK OF THE THICK-BORDER-LOGO-MAKING-COMPANY.

  • MPowers1634 | October 14, 2009 at 1:12 pm |

    [quote comment="354203"][quote comment="354173"][quote comment="354166"][quote comment="354138"]I personally like the American Needle caps better…fit better and better quality IMHO[/quote]

    Preach on! I refuse to buy a New Era hat…they look ridiculous on anyone with a size 7 1/8 or smaller head. It’s like they are designing them to be worn with the silly straight brim that is plaguing pop culture now and not the true baseball fan who wants to wear a cap of his/her favorite team.

    American Needle hats are superior in every way.[/quote]
    If I may jump into the fray, I’m sure the American Needle caps do fit/look better. I don’t know for sure, I’ve never owned one, but I’ve heard this before. However, this really isn’t an alternative for those of us that really would like to have an on-field cap. It would be like talking to people that like NFL authentic jerseys and someone saying “the cheap knockoffs from Kohl’s are more comfortable”.

    I’m in the middle of breaking in my first of the new 5950s (a Pirates’ alt with the white outline) and I’m having a terrible time getting it just right. I gutted it and the crown looks good, but the sides of the hat are still too straight and I’m not sure what to do (Connelly, I haven’t yet submerged in water like you suggested, never had to do that to any other hat I gutted and I’m a little gun shy).

    By no means am I a rookie at this, in fact I own several 5950s, all gutted (with the exception of my Pirates’ ASG model which I really bought as a display item). I actually used to make a few bucks on the side when I worked at the Pirates Clubhouse gutting hats for customers.

    I haven’t had this much trouble in any other cap and I have to think it’s because it’s a newer, poly one.

    As far as pop culture, flat brims, etc, I don’t think New Era is doing that much different to the game hats as far as highness, etc. I think it’s just that since the style is popular, we see it more. 5950s were always a pain (but boy when you get one nice they look good).

    I know this would be a money grab that a lot of us normally scoff at, but I wonder why New Era doesn’t delve into two separate game models: say a 5950 for players/coaches/fans that want a higher profile and maybe a 4940 for those of us that already want one broken in?

    Don’t you guys think that New Era probably loses a lot more in sales because of people passing them up because they’re too high? They could have their cake and eat it too and both types of customers would be happy.[/quote]
    Didn’t New Era make a ‘low profile’ version of the 5950 awhile back?[/quote]

    They still do for the collegiate 5950′s.

    My Clemson and Notre Dame caps are low profile.

    At Mickey’s Place, they carry many of these:

    http://www.mickeyspl...

    Lids, too:

    http://www.lids.com/...

  • M.Princip | October 14, 2009 at 1:14 pm |

    [quote comment="354202"][quote comment="354163"][quote comment="354161"][quote comment="354155"]These must be some clumsy ass white boys. Damn, kneepads anyone?

    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    Thanks for pointing out that they’re white.[/quote]
    Future HOFer Eddie Gottlieb is pictured on the far right in the SPHAS team photo…

    that’s the south philly hebrew association…they played in the american basketball league for like 30 years (and would have played longer, were it not for the NBA coming into being); i think they won like 8 or 9 titles in the ABL

    probably wore those kneepads cuz they dribbled circles around their opponents asses (im pretty sure in this time of the development of the game of hoops, players routinely went down on one knee to dribble or pass, unlike today’s game)

    white boys? i guess so; but clumsy? doubt it[/quote][/quote]

    A ‘History Lesson’ this has been, indeed.

  • MPowers1634 | October 14, 2009 at 1:15 pm |

    [quote comment="354209"][quote comment="354206"]Speaking of shoes, guys, isn’t OJ wearing an old brand called SpotBilt? http://imgs.inkfrog....
    I seem to recall him endorsing those.[/quote]

    thought he usually went with high cuts though[/quote]

    This week’s sign that the apocalypse is upon us:

    http://www.tomheroes...

    They were called the juicemobiles, seriously!

  • M.Princip | October 14, 2009 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment="354211"][quote comment="354203"][quote comment="354173"][quote comment="354166"][quote comment="354138"]I personally like the American Needle caps better…fit better and better quality IMHO[/quote]

    Preach on! I refuse to buy a New Era hat…they look ridiculous on anyone with a size 7 1/8 or smaller head. It’s like they are designing them to be worn with the silly straight brim that is plaguing pop culture now and not the true baseball fan who wants to wear a cap of his/her favorite team.

    American Needle hats are superior in every way.[/quote]
    If I may jump into the fray, I’m sure the American Needle caps do fit/look better. I don’t know for sure, I’ve never owned one, but I’ve heard this before. However, this really isn’t an alternative for those of us that really would like to have an on-field cap. It would be like talking to people that like NFL authentic jerseys and someone saying “the cheap knockoffs from Kohl’s are more comfortable”.

    I’m in the middle of breaking in my first of the new 5950s (a Pirates’ alt with the white outline) and I’m having a terrible time getting it just right. I gutted it and the crown looks good, but the sides of the hat are still too straight and I’m not sure what to do (Connelly, I haven’t yet submerged in water like you suggested, never had to do that to any other hat I gutted and I’m a little gun shy).

    By no means am I a rookie at this, in fact I own several 5950s, all gutted (with the exception of my Pirates’ ASG model which I really bought as a display item). I actually used to make a few bucks on the side when I worked at the Pirates Clubhouse gutting hats for customers.

    I haven’t had this much trouble in any other cap and I have to think it’s because it’s a newer, poly one.

    As far as pop culture, flat brims, etc, I don’t think New Era is doing that much different to the game hats as far as highness, etc. I think it’s just that since the style is popular, we see it more. 5950s were always a pain (but boy when you get one nice they look good).

    I know this would be a money grab that a lot of us normally scoff at, but I wonder why New Era doesn’t delve into two separate game models: say a 5950 for players/coaches/fans that want a higher profile and maybe a 4940 for those of us that already want one broken in?

    Don’t you guys think that New Era probably loses a lot more in sales because of people passing them up because they’re too high? They could have their cake and eat it too and both types of customers would be happy.[/quote]
    Didn’t New Era make a ‘low profile’ version of the 5950 awhile back?[/quote]

    They still do for the collegiate 5950′s.

    My Clemson and Notre Dame caps are low profile.

    At Mickey’s Place, they carry many of these:

    http://www.mickeyspl...

    Lids, too:

    http://www.lids.com/...

    This Oregon State hat is quite nice!

    http://www.mickeyspl...

  • JTH | October 14, 2009 at 1:19 pm |

    [quote comment="354213"][quote comment="354209"][quote comment="354206"]Speaking of shoes, guys, isn’t OJ wearing an old brand called SpotBilt? http://imgs.inkfrog....
    I seem to recall him endorsing those.[/quote]

    thought he usually went with high cuts though[/quote]

    This week’s sign that the apocalypse is upon us:

    http://www.tomheroes...

    They were called the juicemobiles, seriously![/quote]
    Damn right they were. I had a pair. Wore ‘em for football and baseball. The soles were orange.

  • MPowers1634 | October 14, 2009 at 1:19 pm |

    [quote comment="354213"][quote comment="354209"][quote comment="354206"]Speaking of shoes, guys, isn’t OJ wearing an old brand called SpotBilt? http://imgs.inkfrog....
    I seem to recall him endorsing those.[/quote]

    thought he usually went with high cuts though[/quote]

    This week’s sign that the apocalypse is upon us:

    http://www.tomheroes...

    They were called the juicemobiles, seriously![/quote]

    http://www.artfact.c...

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 1:21 pm |

    They were called the juicemobiles, seriously!

    Not white Broncos?

  • EddieAtari | October 14, 2009 at 1:21 pm |

    [quote comment="354203"][quote comment="354173"][quote comment="354166"][quote comment="354138"]I personally like the American Needle caps better…fit better and better quality IMHO[/quote]

    Preach on! I refuse to buy a New Era hat…they look ridiculous on anyone with a size 7 1/8 or smaller head. It’s like they are designing them to be worn with the silly straight brim that is plaguing pop culture now and not the true baseball fan who wants to wear a cap of his/her favorite team.

    American Needle hats are superior in every way.[/quote]
    If I may jump into the fray, I’m sure the American Needle caps do fit/look better. I don’t know for sure, I’ve never owned one, but I’ve heard this before. However, this really isn’t an alternative for those of us that really would like to have an on-field cap. It would be like talking to people that like NFL authentic jerseys and someone saying “the cheap knockoffs from Kohl’s are more comfortable”.

    I’m in the middle of breaking in my first of the new 5950s (a Pirates’ alt with the white outline) and I’m having a terrible time getting it just right. I gutted it and the crown looks good, but the sides of the hat are still too straight and I’m not sure what to do (Connelly, I haven’t yet submerged in water like you suggested, never had to do that to any other hat I gutted and I’m a little gun shy).

    By no means am I a rookie at this, in fact I own several 5950s, all gutted (with the exception of my Pirates’ ASG model which I really bought as a display item). I actually used to make a few bucks on the side when I worked at the Pirates Clubhouse gutting hats for customers.

    I haven’t had this much trouble in any other cap and I have to think it’s because it’s a newer, poly one.

    As far as pop culture, flat brims, etc, I don’t think New Era is doing that much different to the game hats as far as highness, etc. I think it’s just that since the style is popular, we see it more. 5950s were always a pain (but boy when you get one nice they look good).

    I know this would be a money grab that a lot of us normally scoff at, but I wonder why New Era doesn’t delve into two separate game models: say a 5950 for players/coaches/fans that want a higher profile and maybe a 4940 for those of us that already want one broken in?

    Don’t you guys think that New Era probably loses a lot more in sales because of people passing them up because they’re too high? They could have their cake and eat it too and both types of customers would be happy.[/quote]
    Didn’t New Era make a ‘low profile’ version of the 5950 awhile back?[/quote]

    Here’s the 59Fifty Low Crowns at New Era’s Website. (Notice: Per propsed FTC regulation, this poster discloses that he received no compensation for posting this link.)

  • MPowers1634 | October 14, 2009 at 1:23 pm |

    [quote comment="354206"]Speaking of shoes, guys, isn’t OJ wearing an old brand called SpotBilt? http://imgs.inkfrog....
    I seem to recall him endorsing those.[/quote]

    Spot-bilt became Saucony.

    Many of the older officials that I work with still wear Spot-bilt shoes:

    http://www.ump-attir...

    http://www.theoffici...

  • EddieAtari | October 14, 2009 at 1:23 pm |

    I further disclose that I did not spell-check the previous post.

  • LI Phil | October 14, 2009 at 1:25 pm |

    [quote]My Clemson and Notre Dame caps are low profile[/quote]

    what, no pics?

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 1:26 pm |

    Many of the older officials that I work with still wear Spot-bilt shoes:

    so does Joe Paterno

  • MPowers1634 | October 14, 2009 at 1:27 pm |

    [quote comment="354222"]Many of the older officials that I work with still wear Spot-bilt shoes:

    so does Joe Paterno[/quote]

    Nope:

    http://latimesblogs....

  • JTH | October 14, 2009 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment="354215"][quote comment="354213"][quote comment="354209"][quote comment="354206"]Speaking of shoes, guys, isn’t OJ wearing an old brand called SpotBilt? http://imgs.inkfrog....
    I seem to recall him endorsing those.[/quote]

    thought he usually went with high cuts though[/quote]

    This week’s sign that the apocalypse is upon us:

    http://www.tomheroes...

    They were called the juicemobiles, seriously![/quote]
    Damn right they were. I had a pair. Wore ‘em for football and baseball. The soles were orange.[/quote]
    See, they were multi-purpose : Dig in when you’re breakin’ toward the daylight for 6… or when you’re strechin’ a double into a triple… or when you’re fleeing the scene of a grisly double homicide.

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 1:29 pm |

    [quote comment="354223"][quote comment="354222"]Many of the older officials that I work with still wear Spot-bilt shoes:

    so does Joe Paterno[/quote]

    Nope:

    http://latimesblogs....

    I meant at home.

  • MPowers1634 | October 14, 2009 at 1:31 pm |

    [quote comment="354224"][quote comment="354215"][quote comment="354213"][quote comment="354209"][quote comment="354206"]Speaking of shoes, guys, isn’t OJ wearing an old brand called SpotBilt? http://imgs.inkfrog....
    I seem to recall him endorsing those.[/quote]

    thought he usually went with high cuts though[/quote]

    This week’s sign that the apocalypse is upon us:

    http://www.tomheroes...

    They were called the juicemobiles, seriously![/quote]
    Damn right they were. I had a pair. Wore ‘em for football and baseball. The soles were orange.[/quote]
    See, they were multi-purpose : Dig in when you’re breakin’ toward the daylight for 6… or when you’re strechin’ a double into a triple… or when you’re fleeing the scene of a grisly double homicide.[/quote]

    All kidding aside, you huys must check out some of the ads on that site:

    http://www.tomheroes...

    These are right up Paul’s alley.

  • MPowers1634 | October 14, 2009 at 1:32 pm |
  • Hank | October 14, 2009 at 1:32 pm |

    [quote comment="354204"][quote comment="354142"]Some amazing pictures on that photo archive:

    One question:

    Why is OJ Simpson wearing a Chargers uniform?[/quote]

    During practice for the 1977 Pro-Bowl, the teams worked out in San Diego because of bad weather in Seattle. Extra Chargers unis were used for practice.[/quote]

    Any reason why the couldn’t practice in the Kingdome?

  • Ricko | October 14, 2009 at 1:34 pm |

    [quote comment="354219"][quote comment="354206"]Speaking of shoes, guys, isn’t OJ wearing an old brand called SpotBilt? http://imgs.inkfrog....
    I seem to recall him endorsing those.[/quote]

    Spot-bilt became Saucony.

    Many of the older officials that I work with still wear Spot-bilt shoes:

    http://www.ump-attir...

    http://www.theoffici...

    More like SpotBilt merged into Saucony, I think. Saucony brand has been around since the 60′s, at least.

    No matter, my real question is, Does SpotBilt even MAKE cleated shoes anymore?

    Was always amazed was that Riddell and SpotBilt pretty much owned the NFL through most of the 60′s, but then adidas and puma came along late in the decade and, by ’71 or so, commenced to flat-out drop-kick both of them right out of the market. Nike didn’t get into things full bore until around 1980.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | October 14, 2009 at 1:34 pm |

    [quote comment="354227"]http://www.tomheroes.com/Comic%20Ads/classic%20ads/spalding_with_dr_j.htm[/quote]

    I have a comic book or two with that ad on it! Classic.

  • LI Phil | October 14, 2009 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment="354224"]See, they were multi-purpose : Dig in when you’re breakin’ toward the daylight for 6… or when you’re strechin’ a double into a triple… or when you’re fleeing the scene of a grisly double homicide.[/quote]

    “offer expires december 31, 1976″

    a lot of expiration dates associated with orenthal

  • b-t-p-h | October 14, 2009 at 1:36 pm |

    http://imgs.inkfrog....
    http://img98.imagesh...

    Many of the members of the Hollywood Universal Pictures AAU basketball team, made up the first 1936 USA Olympic team.
    Jack Pierce was the team manager. His real job was designing make-up for some of the era’s most famous monsters at Universal Studios.

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 1:38 pm |

    “offer expires december 31, 1976″

    Oh shit (runs to mail box).

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 1:39 pm |

    [quote comment="354232"]http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/CeciliasUniqueBoutique/universalBIG.jpg/
    http://img98.imagesh...

    Many of the members of the Hollywood Universal Pictures AAU basketball team, made up the first 1936 USA Olympic team.
    Jack Pierce was the team manager. His real job was designing make-up for some of the era’s most famous monsters at Universal Studios.[/quote]

    There’s a Kevin McHale joke in there somewhere.

  • Kenny Jacobson | October 14, 2009 at 1:42 pm |

    Ugh. I find those ‘fashion’ hats, along with the oversized and flat-brimmed style, to be intolerable. Whatever happened to wearing the same hat as, and looking like, a ballplayer…?

  • Ricko | October 14, 2009 at 1:42 pm |

    [quote comment="354234"][quote comment="354232"]http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/CeciliasUniqueBoutique/universalBIG.jpg/
    http://img98.imagesh...

    Many of the members of the Hollywood Universal Pictures AAU basketball team, made up the first 1936 USA Olympic team.
    Jack Pierce was the team manager. His real job was designing make-up for some of the era’s most famous monsters at Universal Studios.[/quote]

    There’s a Kevin McHale joke in there somewhere.[/quote]

    Or Bettie Davis.

  • Ricko | October 14, 2009 at 1:46 pm |

    [quote comment="354231"][quote comment="354224"]See, they were multi-purpose : Dig in when you’re breakin’ toward the daylight for 6… or when you’re strechin’ a double into a triple… or when you’re fleeing the scene of a grisly double homicide.[/quote]

    “offer expires december 31, 1976″

    a lot of expiration dates associated with orenthal[/quote]

    Surprised he hasn’t bitched that all this prison time is taking away from his search for the real killers.

  • TommyD | October 14, 2009 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment="354201"][quote comment="354198"]

    Calbert Cheaney:

    http://i.cdn.turner....
    Is that from the 1991 NCAA tournament?

    [/quote]

    it looks like the Spectrum in Philadelphia

  • MPowers1634 | October 14, 2009 at 1:53 pm |

    [quote comment="354238"][quote comment="354201"][quote comment="354198"]

    Calbert Cheaney:

    http://i.cdn.turner....
    Is that from the 1991 NCAA tournament?

    [/quote]

    it looks like the Spectrum in Philadelphia[/quote]

    According to Wiki, that was a second round matchup in the the southeast region.

    http://www.hickokspo...

  • Ricko | October 14, 2009 at 1:57 pm |

    Okay, no fair using the Internet…but where does the phrase…
    “THE DUKE”
    fit into sports history?

    Let’s those of us who been around a while see if some of the younger posters know.

    —Ricko

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 1:59 pm |

    “THE DUKE”

    I know! I know!

    Don’t qualify as a “younger poster”, though.

  • Alan #44 | October 14, 2009 at 2:03 pm |

    RIP Captain Lou Albano. Best dressed WWF manager EVER!

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 2:05 pm |

    And Happy 99th to John Wooden.

  • Gusto44 | October 14, 2009 at 2:05 pm |

    [quote comment="354237"][quote comment="354231"][quote comment="354224"]See, they were multi-purpose : Dig in when you’re breakin’ toward the daylight for 6… or when you’re strechin’ a double into a triple… or when you’re fleeing the scene of a grisly double homicide.[/quote]

    “offer expires december 31, 1976″

    a lot of expiration dates associated with orenthal[/quote]

    Surprised he hasn’t bitched that all this prison time is taking away from his search for the real killers.[/quote]

    You have to admit though, OJ had real acting talent. I’ll never forget his riveting performances in Towering Inferno and Capricorn One.

  • MPowers1634 | October 14, 2009 at 2:09 pm |

    [quote comment="354240"]Okay, no fair using the Internet…but where does the phrase…
    “THE DUKE”
    fit into sports history?

    Let’s those of us who been around a while see if some of the younger posters know.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The official Wilson-made ball of the league, no?

  • JTH | October 14, 2009 at 2:12 pm |

    [quote comment="354240"]Okay, no fair using the Internet…but where does the phrase…
    “THE DUKE”
    fit into sports history?

    Let’s those of us who been around a while see if some of the younger posters know.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    you referring to one of these? Or perhaps him?

  • JTH | October 14, 2009 at 2:13 pm |

    Oops. Sorry. I’m pretty old.

  • Jordan Sogn | October 14, 2009 at 2:20 pm |

    [quote comment="354187"][quote comment="354169"]Since I’m going to be in Minneapolis this weekend & won’t be checking in to the comments until Monday, I’d like to give a shout out to my second favorite unicentric game…OU/Texas (my favorite is OU at Nebraska) coming up Saturday at 11:00. This year the Sooners are the away team so this is how it’ll look (hopefully the scoreboard will be the same as well!).

    http://www.soonerspo...

    Cheers![/quote]

    Born and raised in Texas, living in Dallas for 20 years, this is my favorite sports weekend. The Friday night festivities around town, the State Fair, a year’s worth of bragging (or sulking), and a great uniform matchup that’s been essentially unchanged for 50 years.

    Texas in orange this year but I prefer this matchup when OU is in crimson and UT in white. It just looks cleaner that way. Still, when the weekend’s top uni matchups are published, this has got to be #1.

    HOOK ‘EM![/quote]

    It’s funny how we both prefer our favorite teams in the away unis.

    One other note, I wish they’d keep the school colored endzones but leave the print as “Cotton Bowl” like they did in 1999 (instead of writing Oklahoma or Texas as they have since 2000). It added just that much more coolness to the game. Sighs…

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 2:25 pm |
  • LarryB | October 14, 2009 at 2:26 pm |

    http://www.both-team...

    Great old pictures and items for sell there. But that Ohio State item is a basketball warmup not any football one I have seen.

  • LI Phil | October 14, 2009 at 2:33 pm |

    [quote comment="354240"]Okay, no fair using the Internet…but where does the phrase…
    “THE DUKE”
    fit into sports history?

    Let’s those of us who been around a while see if some of the younger posters know.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    not this?

  • mtjaws | October 14, 2009 at 2:34 pm |

    Gary Carter trades in his Ducks uniform for a Sailfish uniform. He was named head coach of Palm Beach Atlantic University’s baseball team yesterday. I assume this grey is a road uniform, but am not sure. Their site shows a white pullover and a navy jersey too (from last season). That grey on Carter is a definite improvement over that white one.

    His daughter is head softball coach there too.

  • Teebz | October 14, 2009 at 2:35 pm |

    [quote comment="354240"]Okay, no fair using the Internet…but where does the phrase…
    “THE DUKE”
    fit into sports history?

    Let’s those of us who been around a while see if some of the younger posters know.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    John Wayne was an All-American for USC football. How do I know this? My dad loves to watch old westerns on TV, and talks about the guy like he’s some sort of acting/entertainment messiah. While he’s half-joking about John Wayne, he really does love westerns.

    That’s about all I know about “The Duke”. :o)

  • Bob W | October 14, 2009 at 2:36 pm |

    [quote comment="354240"]Okay, no fair using the Internet…but where does the phrase…
    “THE DUKE”
    fit into sports history?

    Let’s those of us who been around a while see if some of the younger posters know.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I remember The Duke from the mid-60s, back before licensed merchandise was everywhere. It was almost mythical in its description as the real NFL game ball. I’m sure none of us had ever seen one in person. It was considered unattainable, since its price was said to be an unthinkable $30.

  • DenverGregg | October 14, 2009 at 2:44 pm |

    Who’s “The Duke”? Don’t forget this guy or this guy.

  • tosaman | October 14, 2009 at 2:44 pm |

    [quote comment="354197"][quote comment="354139"]Speaking of Stan Mikita, can anyone tell me where I can find a photo on-line of the giant statue atop the Wayne’s World donut shop? I haven’t had any luck searching so far. There must have been a production still in the release media kit, right?[/quote]

    I think this is the location used in movie (and a great movie it was) http://www.themepark...

    But of course the donut shop and its statue is in an amusement park that straddles the North Carolina/South Carolina border. Where else would it be?

    Thanks for digging that up!

  • Wally1912 | October 14, 2009 at 2:44 pm |

    Minor Leagues Major Dreams carries New Era low profile caps and their prices can’t be beat.

    http://www.minorleag...

  • Maks | October 14, 2009 at 2:45 pm |

    *sputters* what… oh geez! talk about branding!!! Kellogg’s Branding.

  • Hank | October 14, 2009 at 2:47 pm |

    [quote comment="354255"]Who’s “The Duke”? Don’t forget this guy or this guy.[/quote]
    By process of elimination, it is not the accountant in Midnight Run.

  • Joe Hilseberg | October 14, 2009 at 2:58 pm |

    [quote comment="354235"]Ugh. I find those ‘fashion’ hats, along with the oversized and flat-brimmed style, to be intolerable. Whatever happened to wearing the same hat as, and looking like, a ballplayer…?[/quote]

    Maybe we should start the “DITCH THE FLAT” campaign!

    And I would give the low profiles a shot, but they still have a goofy oversized brim and there’s no way in hell I would be caught dead in this!

    http://www.neweracap...

  • MPowers1634 | October 14, 2009 at 3:03 pm |

    [quote comment="354260"][quote comment="354235"]Ugh. I find those ‘fashion’ hats, along with the oversized and flat-brimmed style, to be intolerable. Whatever happened to wearing the same hat as, and looking like, a ballplayer…?[/quote]

    Maybe we should start the “DITCH THE FLAT” campaign!

    And I would give the low profiles a shot, but they still have a goofy oversized brim and there’s no way in hell I would be caught dead in this!

    http://www.neweracap...

    That Ravens hat is pretty lame! :0)

  • chance michaels | October 14, 2009 at 3:14 pm |

    [quote comment="354259"][quote comment="354255"]Who’s “The Duke”? Don’t forget this guy or this guy.[/quote]
    By process of elimination, it is not the accountant in Midnight Run.[/quote]

    Gotta be this gentleman.

    He is A-Number One, after all.

  • M.Princip | October 14, 2009 at 3:15 pm |

    [quote comment="354258"]*sputters* what… oh geez! talk about branding!!! Kellogg’s Branding.[/quote]

    [quote comment="354261"][quote comment="354260"][quote comment="354235"]Ugh. I find those ‘fashion’ hats, along with the oversized and flat-brimmed style, to be intolerable. Whatever happened to wearing the same hat as, and looking like, a ballplayer…?[/quote]

    Maybe we should start the “DITCH THE FLAT” campaign!

    And I would give the low profiles a shot, but they still have a goofy oversized brim and there’s no way in hell I would be caught dead in this!

    http://www.neweracap...

    That Ravens hat is pretty lame! :0)[/quote]

    Sweet!

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment="354259"][quote comment="354255"]Who’s “The Duke”? Don’t forget this guy or this guy.[/quote]
    By process of elimination, it is not the accountant in Midnight Run.[/quote]

    Great movie!
    “These things go down”!

  • rpm | October 14, 2009 at 3:18 pm |

    still working on jth’s video(it is somewhere in wisconsin, but here are the other two latest ones…
    here
    and i can’t decide betwixt the beginning or ending from this learn to play spanish flea on guitar record i have…
    here
    here
    okay, time to read today’s entery

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 3:18 pm |
  • rpm | October 14, 2009 at 3:19 pm |

    i know phil, entry.

  • Kenny Jacobson | October 14, 2009 at 3:25 pm |

    [quote comment="354263"][quote comment="354258"]*sputters* what… oh geez! talk about branding!!! Kellogg’s Branding.[/quote]

    [quote comment="354261"][quote comment="354260"][quote comment="354235"]Ugh. I find those ‘fashion’ hats, along with the oversized and flat-brimmed style, to be intolerable. Whatever happened to wearing the same hat as, and looking like, a ballplayer…?[/quote]

    Maybe we should start the “DITCH THE FLAT” campaign!

    And I would give the low profiles a shot, but they still have a goofy oversized brim and there’s no way in hell I would be caught dead in this!

    http://www.neweracap...

    That Ravens hat is pretty lame! :0)[/quote]

    Sweet![/quote]
    You know, I buy a new Yankee hat every couple of years and it’s never a problem for me to choose what hat I’m gonna buy. I want a New Era 5950 authentic on-the-field, no-different-from-what-Jeter-wears cap. In navy please. Not yellow or maroon or green or WHATEVER… and no stars and stripes either. AUTHENTIC. 7 3/8s. And the first thing I do upon leaving the store? Start shaping that brim.

  • LarryB | October 14, 2009 at 3:26 pm |

    Where are the color on color college games this season?

    I thought there was going to be a couple.

  • Kenny Jacobson | October 14, 2009 at 3:28 pm |

    Oh…. and get rid of the damn stickers and tags.

  • Ricko | October 14, 2009 at 3:33 pm |

    [quote comment="354254"][quote comment="354240"]Okay, no fair using the Internet…but where does the phrase…
    “THE DUKE”
    fit into sports history?

    Let’s those of us who been around a while see if some of the younger posters know.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I remember The Duke from the mid-60s, back before licensed merchandise was everywhere. It was almost mythical in its description as the real NFL game ball. I’m sure none of us had ever seen one in person. It was considered unattainable, since its price was said to be an unthinkable $30.[/quote]

    THAT BE IT !!!

    From the mid 60′s through 70′s I’d buy a new one every year, but usually a factory-second, because the local sporting goods store would get a barrel of them every year. Had “BLEM” branded in the leather. Were about half-price, and usually the flaws were minor. You just had to look it over carefully.

    So, while Duke Snider is isn’t the wrong answer, it being football season, it was the THE DUKE model football I was thinking of. It used to say “THE DUKE” quite large right on the ball on other side of the laces from the Wilson logo.

    It is still, technically, the name of the model, just doesn’t say it on the ball anymore.

    —Ricko

  • EddieAtari | October 14, 2009 at 3:44 pm |

    Here’s a stupid question: Can pro players wear low-crown 5950′s on the field?

  • JTH | October 14, 2009 at 3:52 pm |

    [quote comment="354271"]
    It is still, technically, the name of the model, just doesn’t say it on the ball anymore.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    You sure about that?

  • mmwatkin | October 14, 2009 at 3:53 pm |

    [quote comment="354273"][quote comment="354271"]
    It is still, technically, the name of the model, just doesn’t say it on the ball anymore.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    You sure about that?[/quote]

    That is obviously an old picture based on the outdated NFL shield logo.

  • scott | October 14, 2009 at 3:57 pm |

    [quote comment="354210"]Zephyr Logo = ATTACK OF THE THICK-BORDER-LOGO-MAKING-COMPANY.[/quote]

    I’m not sure what that means exactly, but the Zephyrs’ script is similar to many others of recent vintage in which the lettering is done in white. I wonder if this means the lettering will also be in white on the home uniforms.

  • JTH | October 14, 2009 at 3:57 pm |

    [quote comment="354274"][quote comment="354273"][quote comment="354271"]
    It is still, technically, the name of the model, just doesn’t say it on the ball anymore.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    You sure about that?[/quote]

    That is obviously an old picture based on the outdated NFL shield logo.[/quote]
    Oh, yeah. Duh.

    You sure about that?

  • M.Princip | October 14, 2009 at 3:58 pm |

    [quote comment="354271"][quote comment="354254"][quote comment="354240"]Okay, no fair using the Internet…but where does the phrase…
    “THE DUKE”
    fit into sports history?

    Let’s those of us who been around a while see if some of the younger posters know.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I remember The Duke from the mid-60s, back before licensed merchandise was everywhere. It was almost mythical in its description as the real NFL game ball. I’m sure none of us had ever seen one in person. It was considered unattainable, since its price was said to be an unthinkable $30.[/quote]

    THAT BE IT !!!

    From the mid 60′s through 70′s I’d buy a new one every year, but usually a factory-second, because the local sporting goods store would get a barrel of them every year. Had “BLEM” branded in the leather. Were about half-price, and usually the flaws were minor. You just had to look it over carefully.

    So, while Duke Snider is isn’t the wrong answer, it being football season, it was the THE DUKE model football I was thinking of. It used to say “THE DUKE” quite large right on the ball on other side of the laces from the Wilson logo.

    It is still, technically, the name of the model, just doesn’t say it on the ball anymore.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Honestly, I thought this was a trick question because it seemed too easy in the fact that as of May 1, 2006, the “Official NFL Game Ball” has become “The Duke” in honor of football legend Wellington “Duke” Mara.

    http://www.weplayspo...

  • LI Phil | October 14, 2009 at 4:00 pm |

    [quote comment="354274"][quote comment="354273"][quote comment="354271"]
    It is still, technically, the name of the model, just doesn’t say it on the ball anymore.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    You sure about that?[/quote]

    That is obviously an old picture based on the outdated NFL shield logo.[/quote]

    this better?

    you can buy it at tar-zhay dot com

  • anotherguy | October 14, 2009 at 4:28 pm |

    [quote comment="354271"]Okay, no fair using the Internet…but where does the phrase…
    “THE DUKE”
    fit into sports history?

    Let’s those of us who been around a while see if some of the younger posters know.[/quote]
    And I did this without the net, fair/square: Halas helped to standardize the “NFL game ball” as being a product from Wilson (located in Chicago).

  • anotherguy | October 14, 2009 at 4:30 pm |

    [quote comment="354256"]
    But of course the donut shop and its statue is in an amusement park that straddles the North Carolina/South Carolina border. Where else would it be?

    Thanks for digging that up![/quote]The spindle of cars that they go by early in that film was just removed either last year or this year.

  • Santino | October 14, 2009 at 4:35 pm |

    Okay, so here’s a random question;

    Does anybody know where to find an authentic orange captaincy patch for a Miami Dolphins Alternate jersey? I’ve searched online and only been able to come up with some cheap knockoffs that I wouldnt want to use. I even tried contacting the team without much luck. If somebody could point me in the direction of a place where I could purchase the genuine article, I’d really appreciate it.

    Thanks

  • ren | October 14, 2009 at 4:42 pm |

    hilarious sportcenter commercial with the rally monkey. sportcenter guy fires him, and he stands there for a minut. or sit there. he is in a nice comphy chair. he is wearing an untucked angels jersey and jersey pants. Then he holds up a sign that says
    RALLY TIME
    lol

  • jesse | October 14, 2009 at 4:45 pm |

    [quote comment="354272"]Here’s a stupid question: Can pro players wear low-crown 5950′s on the field?[/quote]
    Yes they can, Papelbon form the Red Sox is notorious for it, it’s why until recently, he would wear the gray underbill 5950

  • Gusto44 | October 14, 2009 at 4:47 pm |

    [quote comment="354282"]hilarious sportcenter commercial with the rally monkey. sportcenter guy fires him, and he stands there for a minut. or sit there. he is in a nice comphy chair. he is wearing an untucked angels jersey and jersey pants. Then he holds up a sign that says
    RALLY TIME
    lol[/quote]

    I’ll be on the lookout for that spot, but for my money, the Brett Favre Sears commercials are the best I’ve seen recently.

  • jesse | October 14, 2009 at 4:47 pm |

    excuse me, from the Red Sox

  • LI Phil | October 14, 2009 at 4:55 pm |

    [quote comment="354284"][quote comment="354282"]hilarious sportcenter commercial with the rally monkey. sportcenter guy fires him, and he stands there for a minut. or sit there. he is in a nice comphy chair. he is wearing an untucked angels jersey and jersey pants. Then he holds up a sign that says
    RALLY TIME
    lol[/quote]

    I’ll be on the lookout for that spot, but for my money, the Brett Favre Sears commercials are the best I’ve seen recently.[/quote]

    pretty sure that spot’s been around since at least 2002-3 (although i hadn’t seen it in YEARS — caught it last night or this morning)…

    classic to say the least (and appropos, considering both the economic climate and the fact that the angels are in the ALCS)…

  • M.Princip | October 14, 2009 at 5:03 pm |

    [quote comment="354286"][quote comment="354284"][quote comment="354282"]hilarious sportcenter commercial with the rally monkey. sportcenter guy fires him, and he stands there for a minut. or sit there. he is in a nice comphy chair. he is wearing an untucked angels jersey and jersey pants. Then he holds up a sign that says
    RALLY TIME
    lol[/quote]

    I’ll be on the lookout for that spot, but for my money, the Brett Favre Sears commercials are the best I’ve seen recently.[/quote]

    pretty sure that spot’s been around since at least 2002-3 (although i hadn’t seen it in YEARS — caught it last night or this morning)…

    classic to say the least (and appropos, considering both the economic climate and the fact that the angels are in the ALCS)…[/quote]

    That football helmet in the background was….well, how do you say, alluring.

  • Kerry P | October 14, 2009 at 5:35 pm |

    Not sure if this was ever mentioned, but the UFL helmet have some interesting quirks like the Florida Tuskers having a pig snout as the center stripe and a StubHub.com add on the front bumper of the the helmet: http://www.ufl-footb...

  • Kerry P | October 14, 2009 at 5:41 pm |

    Here’s a gallery of the NEW LOGOS FOR THE NEW ORLEANS ZEPHYRS. I do like the “Fleur de Z,” but I really like the “NOZ” that will be on the team’s away lids.

  • JTH | October 14, 2009 at 5:47 pm |

    Wow.

  • JTH | October 14, 2009 at 5:52 pm |

    [quote comment="354281"]Okay, so here’s a random question;

    Does anybody know where to find an authentic orange captaincy patch for a Miami Dolphins Alternate jersey? I’ve searched online and only been able to come up with some cheap knockoffs that I wouldnt want to use. I even tried contacting the team without much luck. If somebody could point me in the direction of a place where I could purchase the genuine article, I’d really appreciate it.

    Thanks[/quote]
    Is this acceptable?

  • LarryB | October 14, 2009 at 6:01 pm |

    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    Who are the Bears playing in this old picture from Warren’s page? Redskins??

  • Santino | October 14, 2009 at 6:02 pm |

    [quote comment="354291"][quote comment="354281"]Okay, so here’s a random question;

    Does anybody know where to find an authentic orange captaincy patch for a Miami Dolphins Alternate jersey? I’ve searched online and only been able to come up with some cheap knockoffs that I wouldnt want to use. I even tried contacting the team without much luck. If somebody could point me in the direction of a place where I could purchase the genuine article, I’d really appreciate it.

    Thanks[/quote]
    Is this acceptable?[/quote]

    Thanks for looking, I had actually seen that one on ebay already, I would definately be willing to accept a bears or broncos orange patch, but the particular one in the ebay listing doesnt appear to be authentic, Its kinda hard to explain, but it just looks a little off, the real captains patches appear to be wider than they are tall, and the C is bigger, the stars also look a little different and IIRC, the gold is supposed to be metallic…

  • Ricko | October 14, 2009 at 6:08 pm |

    [quote comment="354278"][quote comment="354274"][quote comment="354273"][quote comment="354271"]
    It is still, technically, the name of the model, just doesn’t say it on the ball anymore.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    You sure about that?[/quote]

    That is obviously an old picture based on the outdated NFL shield logo.[/quote]

    this better?

    you can buy it at tar-zhay dot com[/quote]

    Ah, they’ve put it back on the ball. My bad. Been a long time since I bought an NFL ball.

    Was much larger on the older version.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | October 14, 2009 at 6:18 pm |

    Frosty, Chance, others…
    On sale ($99) from Ebbets Field Flannels…
    http://www.ebbets.co...

    —Ricko

  • Maks | October 14, 2009 at 6:19 pm |

    you liked the blackhawks video of the old timers in their correct era sweaters… well, here\’s a still photo: wall paper of the old timers

  • Maks | October 14, 2009 at 6:21 pm |

    shoot… wall paper

  • Gusto44 | October 14, 2009 at 6:27 pm |

    [quote comment="354295"]Frosty, Chance, others…
    On sale ($99) from Ebbets Field Flannels…
    http://www.ebbets.co...

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Always interesting looking at that website, but I have yet to find any vintage baseball site which sells the rare 1976 Pirates pillbox hat. This was the mustard version, not the yellow, which was introduced the following year. The ’76 hat was the same mustard color as the 1970-75 conventional hats.

  • Greenie | October 14, 2009 at 7:04 pm |

    http://www.lakecount...

    New team in the Northern League in Zion, IL. The Lake County Fielders. Owned by Kevin Costner. I like the logo of the old-school player in front of the corn.

    -Greenie

  • LI Phil | October 14, 2009 at 7:30 pm |

    [quote]Been a long time since I bought an NFL ball.[/quote]

    now there’s something you don’t hear every day

  • Greg B. | October 14, 2009 at 7:44 pm |

    For me, the answer to “The Duke” question was too easy, since I’ve known that was the official NFL game ball since the late 1960s. The reason I know that, though, might seem a bit unique. I live in Canada, and growing up in the 1960s our only TV channels in the pre-cable years were CTV and CBC, at the time the only 2 Canadian networks. The CBC would usually show a CBS NFL telecast on Sunday afternoons during the season, but they ran their own 60-second intro instead of using the CBS one. It was a selection of various slo-mo clips from NFL Films with suitable music (which in retrospect I think might have been the USC fight song, which wouldn’t have been that appropo). One of the film clips was a close-up of a NFL football with the words “The Duke” suitably displayed. Another tidbit of trivia was thereby added to my childhood stockpile.

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 7:50 pm |

    [quote comment="354292"]http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/CeciliasUniqueBoutique/oldbears.jpg

    Who are the Bears playing in this old picture from Warren’s page? Redskins??[/quote]

    Wild-Ass educated guess which doesn’t really answer your question:
    The only player identifiable whose uni is different from the others is wearing #11. From 1932-40 (which looks to be about the time frame of this photo) there was a player who wore #11 for the Braves-Redskins named Erny Pinckert. His positions were listed as end, full back, halfback and linebacker. He was a 2 time All-America at USC and I believe was voted one of the 70 all-time greatest Redskins. On the other hand, it could be somebody else.

  • LI Phil | October 14, 2009 at 7:54 pm |

    hey leon,

    any decent games on tv tonight?

  • Oakville Endive | October 14, 2009 at 7:56 pm |

    A couple of questions:

    1. I did not see much of Monday night’s game, but the shade of orange that Miami used, look slightly darker than the nearly florescent orange used by the Bears, Bengals and Broncos on their alternative jerseys. I suspect this was only because it was a night game – and thus seemed darker -but if anybody thinks differently, let me know.

    2. The Dolphins used to (may still do) list their colours as coral and aqua, throughout the Dolphins uniform history was coral anything different than regular orange? Or is this the same case of a team using a fancy name to describe a colour (as has been discussed the last few days.

    I was thinking about one of Ricko’s blurbs from yesterday, how he lamented the missed opportunity to completely pay respect to the uniforms that were hatched upon the formation of the AFL. (Buffalo not going with their blue silver, Oakland not going with black and gold). It’s kind of like going to a re-enactment of say the battle of Waterloo and having the Germans say show up in WWI gear

  • bartusball | October 14, 2009 at 8:10 pm |

    Two archive photos that I really LOVE!!!

    1) Walt Hazzard and John Wooden. Any color photos of that era of Bruins unis?
    2) Either Fergie Jenkins or Bob Gibson in a Harlem Globetrotters uni. Awesome!

  • bartusball | October 14, 2009 at 8:12 pm |

    [quote comment="354147"]Those photos are amazing. Did anyone notice the typo on this one?
    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    What? It didn’t say Mr. Coffee?

  • mike 2 | October 14, 2009 at 8:16 pm |

    [quote comment="354147"]Those photos are amazing. Did anyone notice the typo on this one?
    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    Miami is spelled wrong
    DiMaggio should be one word, not two

    (I got two, what do I win?)
    (for what its worth, his birth name was Giuseppe Paolo, but I guess Joe Paul is close enough)

  • Gusto44 | October 14, 2009 at 8:33 pm |

    [quote comment="354303"]hey leon,

    any decent games on tv tonight?[/quote]

    Boise State vs. Tulsa is on, the Broncos have really downgraded their uniforms since beating Oklahoma a few years ago. Sad.

  • Tall Paul | October 14, 2009 at 8:45 pm |

    Interesting article here on the second-oldest field player in the NFL: Jeff Zgonina (ska-NEE-na). http://sportsillustr... While the entire article is interesting, there is a mention on page 3 about his father who started and ran a printing company in Illinois named Uni-Label & Tag. Further, on page 4, it describes his old school shoes, belt, and method of taping his shoulder pads.

  • MPowers1634 | October 14, 2009 at 8:52 pm |

    while we’re on the subject of fitteds…here’s a news story about a pair of newly designed and manufactured Obama sneakers being made fun of by Ghostface, while wearing …a fitted!

    http://sneakernews.c...

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 9:03 pm |

    [quote comment="354303"]hey leon,

    any decent games on tv tonight?[/quote]

    Just turned on the game after watching final episode of the AFL show. Knew the yellows were put away for tonight. Could end up 45-42 or something like that.

  • Tall Paul | October 14, 2009 at 9:05 pm |

    [quote comment="354309"]Interesting article here on the second-oldest field player in the NFL: Jeff Zgonina (ska-NEE-na). http://sportsillustr... While the entire article is interesting, there is a mention on page 3 about his father who started and ran a printing company in Illinois named Uni-Label & Tag. Further, on page 4, it describes his old school shoes, belt, and method of taping his shoulder pads.[/quote]

    Well, I was hopeful that Uni-Label & Tag would have been a uniform label and tag manufacturer…but it’s not. The Uni apparently means “unique” as shown on the heading on the consumer side of their web site: http://www.unilabel.....

  • anotherguy | October 14, 2009 at 9:11 pm |

    [quote comment="354302"][quote comment="354292"]http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/CeciliasUniqueBoutique/oldbears.jpg

    Who are the Bears playing in this old picture from Warren’s page? Redskins??[/quote]

    Wild-Ass educated guess which doesn’t really answer your question:
    The only player identifiable whose uni is different from the others is wearing #11. From 1932-40 (which looks to be about the time frame of this photo) there was a player who wore #11 for the Braves-Redskins named Erny Pinckert. His positions were listed as end, full back, halfback and linebacker. He was a 2 time All-America at USC and I believe was voted one of the 70 all-time greatest Redskins. On the other hand, it could be somebody else.[/quote]Looking at the picture itself, it’s bright sunshine-either early in the season or a warm-weather site. Certainly not Wrigley with that white wall in the background; plus the Bears usually had to wait for the Cubs to finish their season.

    Maybe some exhibition/barnstorming on the West Coast?

  • Ray | October 14, 2009 at 9:12 pm |

    The UFL game tonight is color on color. Blue for the Tuskers and Silver for the Locos. Maybe they realized that it was hard to distinguish between Silver and White

  • LI Phil | October 14, 2009 at 9:20 pm |

    [quote comment="354313"][quote comment="354302"][quote comment="354292"]http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/CeciliasUniqueBoutique/oldbears.jpg

    Who are the Bears playing in this old picture from Warren’s page? Redskins??[/quote]

    Wild-Ass educated guess which doesn’t really answer your question:
    The only player identifiable whose uni is different from the others is wearing #11. From 1932-40 (which looks to be about the time frame of this photo) there was a player who wore #11 for the Braves-Redskins named Erny Pinckert. His positions were listed as end, full back, halfback and linebacker. He was a 2 time All-America at USC and I believe was voted one of the 70 all-time greatest Redskins. On the other hand, it could be somebody else.[/quote]Looking at the picture itself, it’s bright sunshine-either early in the season or a warm-weather site. Certainly not Wrigley with that white wall in the background; plus the Bears usually had to wait for the Cubs to finish their season.

    Maybe some exhibition/barnstorming on the West Coast?[/quote]

    what makes you think it’s a bears home game?

    could be boston, or warshington…or somewhere else

    here’s a pic of ol’ ernie…hard to say if he’s totin the rock

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 9:29 pm |

    could be boston, or warshington…or somewhere else

    If it is the Skins, quite possible it’s in the South. G.P.Marshall marketed them as the team of the South.

  • Gusto44 | October 14, 2009 at 9:32 pm |

    [quote comment="354314"]The UFL game tonight is color on color. Blue for the Tuskers and Silver for the Locos. Maybe they realized that it was hard to distinguish between Silver and White[/quote]

    Have to say the Tuskers look like shit, wearing a blue helmet with a teal? color jersey.

  • JTH | October 14, 2009 at 9:51 pm |

    [quote comment="354304"]I did not see much of Monday night’s game, but the shade of orange that Miami used, look slightly darker than the nearly florescent orange used by the Bears, Bengals and Broncos on their alternative jerseys. I suspect this was only because it was a night game – and thus seemed darker -but if anybody thinks differently, let me know.[/quote]Fluorescent? AKA traffic cone? AKA blaze orange? AKA day-glo?

    I’d say Miami’s jersey’s were pretty much the same color, but the fact that it was a night game made them look darker. Plus, the weather in Miami made the players sweat more than they would in Denver, Chicago or Cincinnati. Take a look at a sweat-free spot in that Dolphins pic (like Ronnie Brown’s shoulder). It looks like a pretty bright orange.

  • JohnnyO | October 14, 2009 at 9:57 pm |

    I am usually pretty good at google searching, but I can’t seem to find any pictures of the Packers playing a pre-season game at Camp Randall Stadium in Madison, WI. The Pack played 12 pre-season games there from 1986-1999 and I can’t find any pics! Any help would be greatly appreciated. The last game was a 27-12 victory over the Giants on Aug. 23, 1999. It was witnessed by 78,184 fans, the largest crowd ever to attend a Packers game in the state of Wisconsin.

  • Oakville Endive | October 14, 2009 at 9:58 pm |

    [quote comment="354318"][quote comment="354304"]I did not see much of Monday night’s game, but the shade of orange that Miami used, look slightly darker than the nearly florescent orange used by the Bears, Bengals and Broncos on their alternative jerseys. I suspect this was only because it was a night game – and thus seemed darker -but if anybody thinks differently, let me know.[/quote]Fluorescent? AKA traffic cone? AKA blaze orange? AKA day-glo?

    I’d say Miami’s jersey’s were pretty much the same color, but the fact that it was a night game made them look darker. Plus, the weather in Miami made the players sweat more than they would in Denver, Chicago or Cincinnati. Take a look at a sweat-free spot in that Dolphins pic (like Ronnie Brown’s shoulder). It looks like a pretty bright orange.[/quote]

    Excess sweating – hadn’t thought of that.

    Where’s a good orangy/red – what the Broncos were at one time long ago, or the burnt orange – with all the money made off of merchandise – you would think there would be more variation

  • LI Phil | October 14, 2009 at 10:08 pm |

    [quote comment="354317"][quote comment="354314"]The UFL game tonight is color on color. Blue for the Tuskers and Silver for the Locos. Maybe they realized that it was hard to distinguish between Silver and White[/quote]

    Have to say the Tuskers look like shit, wearing a blue helmet with a teal? color jersey.[/quote]

    without even getting into how bad the templates are, or the fact that all four teams share all four colors…

    i’ve still YET to see a top & bottom (jersey/pant) that’s even remotely good looking

    the teams obviously have white as a fifth color…how about using it as the main pants color?

    silver over teal…teal over black…really?

  • Gusto44 | October 14, 2009 at 10:19 pm |

    [quote comment="354321"][quote comment="354317"][quote comment="354314"]The UFL game tonight is color on color. Blue for the Tuskers and Silver for the Locos. Maybe they realized that it was hard to distinguish between Silver and White[/quote]

    Have to say the Tuskers look like shit, wearing a blue helmet with a teal? color jersey.[/quote]

    without even getting into how bad the templates are, or the fact that all four teams share all four colors…

    i’ve still YET to see a top & bottom (jersey/pant) that’s even remotely good looking

    the teams obviously have white as a fifth color…how about using it as the main pants color?

    silver over teal…teal over black…really?[/quote]

    Yes, it really looks like they tried to design something bad. Everyone knows it’s a minor league, it would have been easy to design simple uniforms with contrasting colors. Whoever got paid for this should donate their earnings to charity.

  • Taxman | October 14, 2009 at 10:19 pm |

    Couple things: I was nearly driven completely to distraction by that Both Teams Play Hard site – at work today. And that was just the picture archive. MPowers – I think I saw a picture of Bob “Butterbean” Love wearing canvas Pro-Keds amongst other players in lowcut adidas.
    Do any of the not so young Uniwatchers remember Dr. Feelgood commercials from Pro Keds in the early 70′s? Featured Kareem.

    Also – regarding “The Duke”. By the mid to late 70′s the Duke was no longer the official NFL ball. Wilson marketed the Duke for about $19.95 at a time when the Rozelle ball was about $34.95. The new Duke had some type of fabric laces as opposed to leather on the Rozelle ball. Going from memory – correct me if I’m wrong.

  • anotherguy | October 14, 2009 at 10:23 pm |

    [quote comment="354315"]what makes you think it’s a bears home game?[/quote]
    Absolutely nothing old friend.

    As I said, with that white wall in the background it’s definitely NOT Wrigley.

  • leon | October 14, 2009 at 10:25 pm |

    more about the duke:

    http://www.weplayspo...

  • anotherguy | October 14, 2009 at 10:26 pm |

    [quote comment="354323"] MPowers – I think I saw a picture of Bob “Butterbean” Love wearing canvas Pro-Keds amongst other players in lowcut adidas.[/quote]

    Bob now works for the Bulls front office.

    He had a tough life right after the NBA; he’s one of those feel-good perseverance stories.

  • Gusto44 | October 14, 2009 at 10:26 pm |

    [quote comment="354321"][quote comment="354317"][quote comment="354314"]The UFL game tonight is color on color. Blue for the Tuskers and Silver for the Locos. Maybe they realized that it was hard to distinguish between Silver and White[/quote]

    Have to say the Tuskers look like shit, wearing a blue helmet with a teal? color jersey.[/quote]

    without even getting into how bad the templates are, or the fact that all four teams share all four colors…

    i’ve still YET to see a top & bottom (jersey/pant) that’s even remotely good looking

    the teams obviously have white as a fifth color…how about using it as the main pants color?

    silver over teal…teal over black…really?[/quote]

    As bad as the XFL uniforms were, at least they seemed to understand the concept of contrasting colors. I thought the XFL’s Las Vegas and Birmingham entries had the best looking uniforms of that failed league.

  • MPowers1634 | October 14, 2009 at 10:36 pm |

    [quote comment="354323"]Couple things: I was nearly driven completely to distraction by that Both Teams Play Hard site – at work today. And that was just the picture archive. MPowers – I think I saw a picture of Bob “Butterbean” Love wearing canvas Pro-Keds amongst other players in lowcut adidas.
    Do any of the not so young Uniwatchers remember Dr. Feelgood commercials from Pro Keds in the early 70′s? Featured Kareem.

    Also – regarding “The Duke”. By the mid to late 70′s the Duke was no longer the official NFL ball. Wilson marketed the Duke for about $19.95 at a time when the Rozelle ball was about $34.95. The new Duke had some type of fabric laces as opposed to leather on the Rozelle ball. Going from memory – correct me if I’m wrong.[/quote]

    Taxman,
    I wasn’t around for those commercials but I am familiar with the Pro-Keds line,as are most sneakerheads.

    With the retro and fashion sneaker craze coming full circle, yet again, Pro-Keds are a commodity.

    Sites like PYS have quite a selection:

    http://pickyourshoes...

    Good catch, by the way!

  • Taxman | October 14, 2009 at 11:15 pm |

    [quote comment="354328"][quote comment="354323"]Couple things: I was nearly driven completely to distraction by that Both Teams Play Hard site – at work today. And that was just the picture archive. MPowers – I think I saw a picture of Bob “Butterbean” Love wearing canvas Pro-Keds amongst other players in lowcut adidas.
    Do any of the not so young Uniwatchers remember Dr. Feelgood commercials from Pro Keds in the early 70′s? Featured Kareem.

    Also – regarding “The Duke”. By the mid to late 70′s the Duke was no longer the official NFL ball. Wilson marketed the Duke for about $19.95 at a time when the Rozelle ball was about $34.95. The new Duke had some type of fabric laces as opposed to leather on the Rozelle ball. Going from memory – correct me if I’m wrong.[/quote]

    Taxman,
    I wasn’t around for those commercials but I am familiar with the Pro-Keds line,as are most sneakerheads.

    With the retro and fashion sneaker craze coming full circle, yet again, Pro-Keds are a commodity.

    Sites like PYS have quite a selection:

    http://pickyourshoes...

    Good catch, by the way![/quote]
    I’m fascinated by the sheer understatement of natural colored canvas Pro Keds on NBA players – and I’m old enough to have seen it first hand. To people who grew up on Air Jordans, those old sneakers must be the equivalent of leather football helmets.

  • Joe Raskin | October 14, 2009 at 11:31 pm |

    I don’t care if his skating muscles are gone. What a thrill (even for a lifelong Rangers fan) to see The Golden Jet, Bobby Hull, skating again.

  • Gusto44 | October 14, 2009 at 11:37 pm |

    [quote comment="354330"]I don’t care if his skating muscles are gone. What a thrill (even for a lifelong Rangers fan) to see The Golden Jet, Bobby Hull, skating again.[/quote]

    Interesting note about Hull, he finished his career with the Hartford Whalers as a teammate of Gordie Howe.

  • b-t-p-h | October 14, 2009 at 11:47 pm |

    Can any of you old-school sneakerheads name this brand that Silk is wearing?
    http://imgs.inkfrog....

  • RobT | October 15, 2009 at 4:23 am |

    [quote comment="354301"]For me, the answer to “The Duke” question was too easy, since I’ve known that was the official NFL game ball since the late 1960s. The reason I know that, though, might seem a bit unique. I live in Canada, and growing up in the 1960s our only TV channels in the pre-cable years were CTV and CBC, at the time the only 2 Canadian networks. The CBC would usually show a CBS NFL telecast on Sunday afternoons during the season, but they ran their own 60-second intro instead of using the CBS one. It was a selection of various slo-mo clips from NFL Films with suitable music (which in retrospect I think might have been the USC fight song, which wouldn’t have been that appropo). One of the film clips was a close-up of a NFL football with the words “The Duke” suitably displayed. Another tidbit of trivia was thereby added to my childhood stockpile.[/quote]

    Didn’t know about “The Duke” being the name of the NFL ball. I’m Canadian as well, and the only football name I know is the J5V, which was the official CFL ball. It may still be, its been awhile since I’ve had a real CFL ball.

  • chris | October 15, 2009 at 10:56 am |

    I think the Grand Rapids Tackers were named that because of all of the furniture manufactures in the Grand Rapids area.

  • Alex | October 16, 2009 at 11:55 pm |

    Sorry to say the Esposito jersey was a cheap CCM replica and most definitely NOT period authentic.

    Never has a Blackhawks game jersey featured that horseshit flat sans-serif C for the shoulder logos; which is the earmark of the lowest-grade replica.

  • Alex | October 17, 2009 at 12:00 am |

    [quote comment="354332"]Can any of you old-school sneakerheads name this brand that Silk is wearing?
    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    Bata – though I have no idea of the model name…

  • b-t-p-h | October 19, 2009 at 2:01 pm |

    [quote comment="354777"][quote comment="354332"]Can any of you old-school sneakerheads name this brand that Silk is wearing?
    http://imgs.inkfrog....

    Bata – though I have no idea of the model name…[/quote]
    Yes. Bata by Wilson. Don’t know the model, either.

    These are the model worn by Elvin in the same photo:
    http://img291.images...

  • Rainbow Guts | October 19, 2009 at 10:13 pm |

    Looks like the UltraStripe design is alive and well! The University of San Francisco shooting shirt in the Both Teams Played Hard site as well as the Tequila Sunset pants!

    Wild.