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Rank Has Its Privileges

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Notice anything unusual about this Gary Matthews gamer from 1983? That smudge on the right sleeve is a little sergeant’s pin — a reference to Matthews’s nickname, Sarge.

But was the pin actually worn on the field or just added to the jersey after the fact? “The jersey’s current owner said he received it from Matthews with confirmation that the pin was worn during the 1983 season,” says Jared Wheeler, who displayed the jersey in the Philly baseball history exhibit he recently curated. “He also had a photo that confirmed this, but I was unable to get a shot of that to send to you.” I did a bit of very quick photo research but wasn’t able to find a shot with a clear view of Matthews’s right sleeve. Maybe someone with a bit of time on their hands would like to do a more in-depth photo search? (Update: Mike Hersh just came up with this. Nice job!)

New ESPN column today — the annual college football mother lode. Look here.

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September Raffle: Our friends at Helmet Hut are kicking off the football season by offering a free helmet from their huge product line of NCAA designs (click on any school for the full range of selections for that team). We’re going to call this the Jim Parker Memorial Raffle, in honor of the Helmet Hut co-founder and helmet historian who recently passed away — a great loss for the uni community.

To enter, send a blank e-mail with your name in the subject line to the raffle address (not to the usual Uni Watch e-mail address, please) by 10pm next Tuesday, September 8th. One entry per person, but anyone enrolled in the Uni Watch membership program at the time of the drawing can send four entries. The winner will be announced next Wednesday.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Graphic designer Sean Engelhardt has created a chart that tracks the Mets’ 2009 injuries. “I’m not trying to make any excuses or explain away anything,” he writes. “I just wanted to see the data in action since it seemed so absurd. I also think it’s a fascinating look at how a full season of baseball plays out. You can see how the starting rotation lined up then got mixed around, days when multiple relievers pitched, see who started (and against what team), consecutive-games streaks (and games-missed streaks), etc.” Really good stuff. … Jeremy Brahm was going through his closet recently and came across these Leaf mini-helmets. “I even had the whole set of 26 teams, which believe me was difficult when I was a kid,” he says. “I sent this over to [gumball helmet king] Bill Jones and he told me that he had a set too, but not the box. You can barely find any information for these online.” … And speaking of gumball helmets, look what Brinke Guthrie found on eBay. … Robbie Biederman has launched a new Detroit-centric T-shirt line. … New logos for Georgia State. Further details here (with thanks to Jameson Adams). … Germany’s home kit for the 2010 World Cup has been leaked. … Throwback-ish jersey and a 30th-anniversary patch for the Flames (with thanks to Stan Capp). … Very interesting article about Colt Brennan’s visor — recommended reading. … More headwear adjustments for David Wright, who went with a double-flap S100 last night.

 

161 comments to Rank Has Its Privileges

  • Joe Hilseberg | September 3, 2009 at 9:08 am |

    Fist look at Towson’s new Under Armour Unis

    http://www.baltimore...

  • Stuby | September 3, 2009 at 9:10 am |

    Oregon Ducks playing on the blue turf tonight! I can barely contain my excitement…this could be a visual train wreck.

  • Jason | September 3, 2009 at 9:12 am |

    Can one of you with technical expertice please explain why some of the MLB teams who wear black jerseys with white NOB (White Sox, Rockies, Marlins) have such clunky looking NOBs with filled in letters (white letters with white negative space)? Every time I see it, such as last night’s Marlin/Braves game, I cringe. Who thinks that it is an acceptable look to wear something that looks so unfinished?

  • Joe Hilseberg | September 3, 2009 at 9:25 am |

    [quote comment=”345787″]Can one of you with technical expertice please explain why some of the MLB teams who wear black jerseys with white NOB (White Sox, Rockies, Marlins) have such clunky looking NOBs with filled in letters (white letters with white negative space)? Every time I see it, such as last night’s Marlin/Braves game, I cringe. Who thinks that it is an acceptable look to wear something that looks so unfinished?[/quote]

    It’s because some of those teams have 3 or 4 colors of twill per letter. Leaving the bottom color (usually white) as simple and basic as possible makes them easier and faster to be sewn on. When the O’s had the 3 color NOBs

    http://www.americanm... (I made that jersey and patch btw!)

    it used to drive me crazy, but we had to follow the way the first set was done by the manufacturer.

  • ScottyM | September 3, 2009 at 9:40 am |

    That Georgia State work is atrocious. Who’s churning out this garbage?

    The fact that the type treatment in GSU is “sort of” serif/sans serif is a dead giveaway for poor quality work. It’s like they couldn’t decide. Both squared off and rounded edges? Come on!

    Saying nothing about that panther thing …

  • GoTerriers | September 3, 2009 at 9:45 am |

    I think the double-flap S100 looks a lot less awkward/Great Gazoo-ish than the single flap. Just more balanced and doesn’t make Wright look like as much of a bobblehead (that’s about the helmet, not a shot a David Wright, Mets fans)

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 9:47 am |

    First uni matchup in new Twins’ ballpark? St. Louis Cardinals April 2 & 3 (I think it is) for exhibition games.

    Pete Rose got first hit in Metrodome, so I imagine will be only proper if Albert Pujols does in the same outdoors.

    —Ricko

  • CJ | September 3, 2009 at 9:50 am |

    The Germany World Cup kit is sorely pushing my resolve to buy one in support. Not a fan. The stripe looks stupid, and the shield for the federation patch looked stupid in the late 90s. Why bring it back?

  • Paul Lukas | September 3, 2009 at 10:06 am |

    Great job by Mike Hersh, who just found a shot of Sarge wearing the sergeant’s pin:
    http://farm3.static....

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 10:07 am |

    [quote comment=”345786″]Oregon Ducks playing on the blue turf tonight! I can barely contain my excitement…this could be a visual train wreck.[/quote]

    Not to mention the debut of Boise State butt stripes.
    Butt stripes and shoulder doilies.
    Jesus.

    —Ricko

  • Dane | September 3, 2009 at 10:07 am |

    Photos of Pascal Leclaire’s new mask:

    http://communities.c...

  • Beardface | September 3, 2009 at 10:09 am |

    [quote comment=”345789″]That Georgia State work is atrocious. Who’s churning out this garbage?

    The fact that the type treatment in GSU is “sort of” serif/sans serif is a dead giveaway for poor quality work. It’s like they couldn’t decide. Both squared off and rounded edges? Come on!

    Saying nothing about that panther thing …[/quote]
    Regardless, its a hell of a lot better than the 1970’s Disney movie panther they originally had for a logo… that thing is just comically bad to look at.

  • LI Phil | September 3, 2009 at 10:12 am |

    [quote comment=”345794″][quote comment=”345786″]Oregon Ducks playing on the blue turf tonight! I can barely contain my excitement…this could be a visual train wreck.[/quote]

    Not to mention the debut of Boise State butt stripes.
    Butt stripes and shoulder doilies.
    Jesus.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    but wait, YOU can help oregon pick it’s look

    (yeah, i know that’s from yesterday, but it’s fun to play with)

  • War Damn Eagle | September 3, 2009 at 10:13 am |

    [quote comment=”345790″]I think the double-flap S100 looks a lot less awkward/Great Gazoo-ish than the single flap. Just more balanced and doesn’t make Wright look like as much of a bobblehead (that’s about the helmet, not a shot a David Wright, Mets fans)[/quote]

    The double flap has to help with the fit issues, b/c it came off when he was running the bases the other night. I agree that the double-flap looks slightly better than the single-flap version.

  • mmwatkin | September 3, 2009 at 10:27 am |

    [quote comment=”345798″][quote comment=”345790″]I think the double-flap S100 looks a lot less awkward/Great Gazoo-ish than the single flap. Just more balanced and doesn’t make Wright look like as much of a bobblehead (that’s about the helmet, not a shot a David Wright, Mets fans)[/quote]

    The double flap has to help with the fit issues, b/c it came off when he was running the bases the other night. I agree that the double-flap looks slightly better than the single-flap version.[/quote]

    It would have been ironic if the helmet flew off while running the bases and he got pegged in the head by a throw from the outfield…

    single flap, double flap…doesn’t matter. That thing looks ridiculous.

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment=”345797″][quote comment=”345794″][quote comment=”345786″]Oregon Ducks playing on the blue turf tonight! I can barely contain my excitement…this could be a visual train wreck.[/quote]

    Not to mention the debut of Boise State butt stripes.
    Butt stripes and shoulder doilies.
    Jesus.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    but wait, YOU can help oregon pick it’s look

    (yeah, i know that’s from yesterday, but it’s fun to play with)[/quote]

    When did “steel” become one of Oregon’s colors?

    Aw, hell, I’m still wondering when BLACK did.
    (and don’t someone say it’s “neutral”; it isn’t, there’s no evolution behind that, someone just DECLARED it neutral…so now I suppose “steel” will soon be neutral, too. Hell, let’s just decide purple is neutral, seems that would be okay, based on the new rules of uni design, apparently.

    —Ricko

  • JohnnyO | September 3, 2009 at 10:41 am |

    [quote comment=”345786″]Oregon Ducks playing on the blue turf tonight! I can barely contain my excitement…this could be a visual train wreck.[/quote]

    …or the greatest uni match up ever! Think about it, this is just a gold mine for uni watching. Good, or bad, it’s gonna be awesome.

  • Juggernaut | September 3, 2009 at 10:41 am |

    With the double earflap choice by Wright that now adds him to the Mark Bellhorn Earflaps and Motor Kings team. However, the incumbent at 3rd was a childhood favorite of mine, Terry Pendleton. Does Wright replace him? I’d have to go with yes, I suppose. I hate to do that to the 1991 NL MVP, but Wright’s talent is just undeniable (although a move from the cavernous Citi Field to, say, Fenway, would be a great career move for him in my fantasy trade world).

  • mmwatkin | September 3, 2009 at 10:42 am |

    [quote comment=”345800″][quote comment=”345797″][quote comment=”345794″][quote comment=”345786″]Oregon Ducks playing on the blue turf tonight! I can barely contain my excitement…this could be a visual train wreck.[/quote]

    Not to mention the debut of Boise State butt stripes.
    Butt stripes and shoulder doilies.
    Jesus.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    but wait, YOU can help oregon pick it’s look

    (yeah, i know that’s from yesterday, but it’s fun to play with)[/quote]

    When did “steel” become one of Oregon’s colors?

    Aw, hell, I’m still wondering when BLACK did.
    (and don’t someone say it’s “neutral”; it isn’t, there’s no evolution behind that, someone just DECLARED it neutral…so now I suppose “steel” will soon be neutral, too. Hell, let’s just decide purple is neutral, seems that would be okay, based on the new rules of uni design, apparently.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Playing around with the mix-and-match program, there are actually a few combinations that are not half bad (shoulder wings aside). Unfortunately, Oregon will ignore these combos and go straight for something god awful.

    At least the yellow pants are out of the equation.

  • Elwood | September 3, 2009 at 10:42 am |

    Love that picture of Gary Matthews. “Hey Gary, we’re gonna take this picture now.” “What?” *click* “Thanks, Gary!”

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment=”345801″][quote comment=”345786″]Oregon Ducks playing on the blue turf tonight! I can barely contain my excitement…this could be a visual train wreck.[/quote]

    …or the greatest uni match up ever! Think about it, this is just a gold mine for uni watching. Good, or bad, it’s gonna be awesome.[/quote]

    (laughing) Oh, I never said I wouldn’t WATCH the damn thing.
    Just planning on a lot of head-shaking, that’s all.

    And it isn’t about not liking change. It’s about not understanding the design logic BEHIND the change.

    —Ricko

  • Hank | September 3, 2009 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment=”345790″]I think the double-flap S100 looks a lot less awkward/Great Gazoo-ish than the single flap. Just more balanced and doesn’t make Wright look like as much of a bobblehead (that’s about the helmet, not a shot a David Wright, Mets fans)[/quote]

    Less Gazoo-ish but more Death Star Trooper-ish. http://www.swtrooper...

  • leon | September 3, 2009 at 10:45 am |

    In reading about the big helmet on david, i am reminded that once upon a time catchers didn’t wear shinguards, goalies didn’t wear masks, and bb players didn’t wear diabetes stockings on their arms. If the big helmet lets a player return sooner from an injury (i am assuming that’s the reason), what’s the difference. Presumably, he will abandon it in the future, just like athletes who have to wear protective face plastic do. (What, rip hamilton?) after all, kareem wore goggles and namath wore half a facemask. is the fact it looks ridiculous reason to not try it?

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 10:46 am |

    [quote comment=”345803″][quote comment=”345800″][quote comment=”345797″][quote comment=”345794″][quote comment=”345786″]Oregon Ducks playing on the blue turf tonight! I can barely contain my excitement…this could be a visual train wreck.[/quote]

    Not to mention the debut of Boise State butt stripes.
    Butt stripes and shoulder doilies.
    Jesus.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    but wait, YOU can help oregon pick it’s look

    (yeah, i know that’s from yesterday, but it’s fun to play with)[/quote]

    When did “steel” become one of Oregon’s colors?

    Aw, hell, I’m still wondering when BLACK did.
    (and don’t someone say it’s “neutral”; it isn’t, there’s no evolution behind that, someone just DECLARED it neutral…so now I suppose “steel” will soon be neutral, too. Hell, let’s just decide purple is neutral, seems that would be okay, based on the new rules of uni design, apparently.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Playing around with the mix-and-match program, there are actually a few combinations that are not half bad (shoulder wings aside). Unfortunately, Oregon will ignore these combos and go straight for something god awful.

    At least the yellow pants are out of the equation.[/quote]

    Better the ghastly piss yellow helmets out of the equation.

    And my point was, So it would be okay for Ohio State to add royal and kelly green just for the hell of it?

    —Ricko

  • mmwatkin | September 3, 2009 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment=”345808″][quote comment=”345803″][quote comment=”345800″][quote comment=”345797″][quote comment=”345794″][quote comment=”345786″]Oregon Ducks playing on the blue turf tonight! I can barely contain my excitement…this could be a visual train wreck.[/quote]

    Not to mention the debut of Boise State butt stripes.
    Butt stripes and shoulder doilies.
    Jesus.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    but wait, YOU can help oregon pick it’s look

    (yeah, i know that’s from yesterday, but it’s fun to play with)[/quote]

    When did “steel” become one of Oregon’s colors?

    Aw, hell, I’m still wondering when BLACK did.
    (and don’t someone say it’s “neutral”; it isn’t, there’s no evolution behind that, someone just DECLARED it neutral…so now I suppose “steel” will soon be neutral, too. Hell, let’s just decide purple is neutral, seems that would be okay, based on the new rules of uni design, apparently.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Playing around with the mix-and-match program, there are actually a few combinations that are not half bad (shoulder wings aside). Unfortunately, Oregon will ignore these combos and go straight for something god awful.

    At least the yellow pants are out of the equation.[/quote]

    Better the ghastly piss yellow helmets out of the equation.

    And my point was, So it would be okay for Ohio State to add royal and kelly green just for the hell of it?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Probably not. I think the idiocy of adding black or “carbon” or “steel” to a color scheme is the supposed intimidation factor. Technically, I guess black and grey are “neutral” in the color world, but it still looks dumb when thrown in for the hell of it.

    Basically, I don’t think players are going to feel any more bad ass wearing kelly green and royal blue.

  • GoTerriers | September 3, 2009 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”345799″][quote comment=”345798″][quote comment=”345790″]I think the double-flap S100 looks a lot less awkward/Great Gazoo-ish than the single flap. Just more balanced and doesn’t make Wright look like as much of a bobblehead (that’s about the helmet, not a shot a David Wright, Mets fans)[/quote]

    The double flap has to help with the fit issues, b/c it came off when he was running the bases the other night. I agree that the double-flap looks slightly better than the single-flap version.[/quote]

    It would have been ironic if the helmet flew off while running the bases and he got pegged in the head by a throw from the outfield…

    single flap, double flap…doesn’t matter. That thing looks ridiculous.[/quote]
    So did the regular single-flap helmets, football facemasks and hockey goalie masks at first. Everyone will get used to them. It’s a small proce to pay for safety. This is sports, not a fashion show (wait, nevermind, we’re all here for the fashion show!)

  • Sage Confucius | September 3, 2009 at 10:59 am |

    The sergeant stripes in the picture are not the same as on the jersey. The picture shows sergeant stripes with no rocker. The jersey clearly has a rocker making it staff sergeant stripes.

  • mmwatkin | September 3, 2009 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”345810″][quote comment=”345799″][quote comment=”345798″][quote comment=”345790″]I think the double-flap S100 looks a lot less awkward/Great Gazoo-ish than the single flap. Just more balanced and doesn’t make Wright look like as much of a bobblehead (that’s about the helmet, not a shot a David Wright, Mets fans)[/quote]

    The double flap has to help with the fit issues, b/c it came off when he was running the bases the other night. I agree that the double-flap looks slightly better than the single-flap version.[/quote]

    It would have been ironic if the helmet flew off while running the bases and he got pegged in the head by a throw from the outfield…

    single flap, double flap…doesn’t matter. That thing looks ridiculous.[/quote]
    So did the regular single-flap helmets, football facemasks and hockey goalie masks at first. Everyone will get used to them. It’s a small proce to pay for safety. This is sports, not a fashion show (wait, nevermind, we’re all here for the fashion show!)[/quote]

    So david wright kept his helmet on while running the bases? Hmm. If more and more guys start wearing them, I bet that everyone ends up switching to the old model once they get on base. Nothing would be a dead giveaway like Carl Crawford switching helmets right before stealing a base.

  • Chad | September 3, 2009 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=\”345798\”][quote comment=\”345790\”]I think the double-flap S100 looks a lot less awkward/Great Gazoo-ish than the single flap. Just more balanced and doesn\’t make Wright look like as much of a bobblehead (that\’s about the helmet, not a shot a David Wright, Mets fans)[/quote]

    The double flap has to help with the fit issues, b/c it came off when he was running the bases the other night. I agree that the double-flap looks slightly better than the single-flap version.[/quote]

    could\’ve worn the double flap because the HOF asked for his helmet from the other night. apparently the HOF missed paul\’s column on who actually wore the helmet first.

  • JRJR | September 3, 2009 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=”345804″]Love that picture of Gary Matthews. “Hey Gary, we’re gonna take this picture now.” “What?” *click* “Thanks, Gary!”[/quote]

    Gotta love Sarge…for so many reasons…

    http://www.youtube.c...

  • Paul Lukas | September 3, 2009 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment=”345815″][quote comment=”345804″]Love that picture of Gary Matthews. “Hey Gary, we’re gonna take this picture now.” “What?” *click* “Thanks, Gary!”[/quote]

    Gotta love Sarge…for so many reasons…

    http://www.youtube.c...

    But Jupiter DOES have rings:
    http://en.wikipedia....

    For that matter, Uranus and Neptune have rings as well:
    http://en.wikipedia....
    http://en.wikipedia....

  • Oakville Endive | September 3, 2009 at 11:15 am |

    Does anyone else think that the Minnesota Wild adopting a retro 3rd jersey is somewhat pointless, in light of the fact that their current home uni already has a retro look to it. In addition, this new third jersey, seems to be borrowing heavily from the All Star game jerseys used when the game was played in St. Paul, which also seems rather odd, considering how meaningless All Star games are.

    In addition, there is a website (icethetics) that shows the Anaheim Ducks centre ice, the logo that now graces centre ice – is strictly the webbed “D”, which this site, and I would agree, represents an improvement.

  • Chad | September 3, 2009 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”345815″][quote comment=”345804″]Love that picture of Gary Matthews. “Hey Gary, we’re gonna take this picture now.” “What?” *click* “Thanks, Gary!”[/quote]

    Gotta love Sarge…for so many reasons…

    http://www.youtube.c...

    http://www.youtube.c...

  • Steve May | September 3, 2009 at 11:17 am |

    I understand that instead of a ceremonial faceoff when the Flames wear their retros, they’re going to have Joel Otto kick the pick into the net.

    /still-bitter Canucks fan from ’89

  • BuckeyeMark | September 3, 2009 at 11:18 am |

    And my point was, So it would be okay for Ohio State to add royal and kelly green just for the hell of it?

    —Ricko

    oh the horror….

  • Steve May | September 3, 2009 at 11:18 am |

    pick=puck
    /very bitter

  • Teebz | September 3, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”345817″]Does anyone else think that the Minnesota Wild adopting a retro 3rd jersey is somewhat pointless, in light of the fact that their current home uni already has a retro look to it. In addition, this new third jersey, seems to be borrowing heavily from the All Star game jerseys used when the game was played in St. Paul, which also seems rather odd, considering how meaningless All Star games are.

    In addition, there is a website (icethetics) that shows the Anaheim Ducks centre ice,

    the logo that now graces centre ice – is strictly the webbed “D”, which this site, and I would agree, represents an improvement.[/quote]

    You mean, they did what the Dallas (nee: Minnesota North) Stars did when they recycled the All-Star jersey design for their jerseys? The NHL stopped using the star jersey in 1997, and the Stars introduced their alternate jersey in the same design in the same year.

    And I think honouring their heritage is ok. I just hate that it looks like the Mighty Ducks old alternate logo far too much. It seems that recycling, while good in the real world, is a bad idea in the sport world as fans demand originality.

    Bring back the real green!

  • Teebz | September 3, 2009 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”345819″]I understand that instead of a ceremonial faceoff when the Flames wear their retros, they’re going to have Joel Otto kick the puck into the net.

    /still-bitter Canucks fan from ’89[/quote]

    Ironically, the first time they wear that jersey will be the home-opener on October 1 against the Canucks this season. How very fitting! Do you work in marketing by any chance? LOL

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    [quote comment=”345822″][quote comment=”345817″]Does anyone else think that the Minnesota Wild adopting a retro 3rd jersey is somewhat pointless, in light of the fact that their current home uni already has a retro look to it. In addition, this new third jersey, seems to be borrowing heavily from the All Star game jerseys used when the game was played in St. Paul, which also seems rather odd, considering how meaningless All Star games are.

    In addition, there is a website (icethetics) that shows the Anaheim Ducks centre ice,

    the logo that now graces centre ice – is strictly the webbed “D”, which this site, and I would agree, represents an improvement.[/quote]

    You mean, they did what the Dallas (nee: Minnesota North) Stars did when they recycled the All-Star jersey design for their jerseys? The NHL stopped using the star jersey in 1997, and the Stars introduced their alternate jersey in the same design in the same year.

    And I think honouring their heritage is ok. I just hate that it looks like the Mighty Ducks old alternate logo far too much. It seems that recycling, while good in the real world, is a bad idea in the sport world as fans demand originality.

    Bring back the real green![/quote]

    Agreed. Loved the original greens. Admittedly the reds make for better TV and in-person viewing (and that’s a legitimate consideration, to be sure), but the look is just too “Christmassy.” Maybe make the sleeve/shoulder panel on the originals red? Always wondered why that wasn’t an option.

    —Ricko

  • girard31 | September 3, 2009 at 11:40 am |

    I love the Oregon “choose the uniform” feature.

    “Steel” and black are considered neutral colors, that’s why they’re added to a lot of team palettes. I’m sorry to see the yellow pants go, but the green jersey, grey pants look is the best. It’s kind of retro Philly Eagles.

  • JRJR | September 3, 2009 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment=”345816″][quote comment=”345815″][quote comment=”345804″]Love that picture of Gary Matthews. “Hey Gary, we’re gonna take this picture now.” “What?” *click* “Thanks, Gary!”[/quote]

    Gotta love Sarge…for so many reasons…

    http://www.youtube.c...

    But Jupiter DOES have rings:
    http://en.wikipedia....

    For that matter, Uranus and Neptune have rings as well:
    http://en.wikipedia....
    http://en.wikipedia....

    I know! THAT is why we love Sarge. He can SEE them!

  • BrianC | September 3, 2009 at 11:56 am |

    The Flames alternate uniform is yet another of the many examples proving that fans don’t want the harlequin costumes forced on them by Reebok’s marketing department, they want real hockey jerseys.

  • Kevin | September 3, 2009 at 11:56 am |

    Hey Paul when is your annual college football uniform preview going up on ESPN.com’s page 2? I’m looking forward to seeing what every team in college football has done with their unis for the upcoming season which starts tonight…

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”345825″]I love the Oregon “choose the uniform” feature.

    “Steel” and black are considered neutral colors, that’s why they’re added to a lot of team palettes. I’m sorry to see the yellow pants go, but the green jersey, grey pants look is the best. It’s kind of retro Philly Eagles.[/quote]

    Black is not, by uniform evolution, neutral. White is neutral because it’s incorporation evolved from everyone being required to wear white jerseys roughly half the time. Prior to the mandate for white jerseys, many teams wore no white at all. Black is not suddenly neutral just because some study revealed that (surprise!) teams are perceived as “tougher” when wearing black…and scores of teams went scrambling for a black alt, or a new black uni altogether (easier than finding better players, I guess).

    Silver/gray admittedly can be put in the “sorta neutral” category when used an alternative to white, largely owing to gray being so prevalent, by edict, in baseball for so many years that it had become commonplace as a substitute/alternative for white.

    Not against black per se, just saying it was DECLARED “neutral” by designers, marketers and coaches; didn’t develop from the history of he game. It’s the current affectation, not the next result of a fundamental change in gamewear resulting from a rule change, or some such.

    (And don’t somebody start with, “Well…cleats were black forever”. That’s just a lame argument. Black cleats weren’t neutral, they were universal because they were standard, the only thing available until the early 70’s. Nobody ever said, “Well, black is one of our colors cuz we wear black cleats”).

    —Ricko

  • Peter | September 3, 2009 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”345823″][quote comment=”345819″]I understand that instead of a ceremonial faceoff when the Flames wear their retros, they’re going to have Joel Otto kick the puck into the net.

    /still-bitter Canucks fan from ’89[/quote]

    I never knew about this! I love learning about this kind of stuff…

    http://www.youtube.c...

    I feel your pain…almost as painful as watching Doug Brien fail twice…(different sport, but I understand pain like that)

  • bourbon soaked idiot | September 3, 2009 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”345800″][quote comment=”345797″][quote comment=”345794″][quote comment=”345786″]Oregon Ducks playing on the blue turf tonight! I can barely contain my excitement…this could be a visual train wreck.[/quote]

    Not to mention the debut of Boise State butt stripes.
    Butt stripes and shoulder doilies.
    Jesus.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    but wait, YOU can help oregon pick it’s look

    (yeah, i know that’s from yesterday, but it’s fun to play with)[/quote]

    When did “steel” become one of Oregon’s colors?

    Aw, hell, I’m still wondering when BLACK did.
    (and don’t someone say it’s “neutral”; it isn’t, there’s no evolution behind that, someone just DECLARED it neutral…so now I suppose “steel” will soon be neutral, too. Hell, let’s just decide purple is neutral, seems that would be okay, based on the new rules of uni design, apparently.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    When were there ever rules?

  • Peter | September 3, 2009 at 12:14 pm |

    Wrong one: here’s the ’89 one

    http://www.youtube.c...

  • Jeff P | September 3, 2009 at 12:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”345822″][quote comment=”345817″]Does anyone else think that the Minnesota Wild adopting a retro 3rd jersey is somewhat pointless, in light of the fact that their current home uni already has a retro look to it. In addition, this new third jersey, seems to be borrowing heavily from the All Star game jerseys used when the game was played in St. Paul, which also seems rather odd, considering how meaningless All Star games are.

    In addition, there is a website (icethetics) that shows the Anaheim Ducks centre ice,

    the logo that now graces centre ice – is strictly the webbed “D”, which this site, and I would agree, represents an improvement.[/quote]

    You mean, they did what the Dallas (nee: Minnesota North) Stars did when they recycled the All-Star jersey design for their jerseys? The NHL stopped using the star jersey in 1997, and the Stars introduced their alternate jersey in the same design in the same year.

    And I think honouring their heritage is ok. I just hate that it looks like the Mighty Ducks old alternate logo far too much. It seems that recycling, while good in the real world, is a bad idea in the sport world as fans demand originality.

    Bring back the real green![/quote]
    It’s an old timey script logo! They’re all based on a similar premise, ie, text. To that extent, yeah they’re similar. But the Wild’s is much better done, and when the Ducks did it it was not a revolutionary idea, it just hadn’t been used in hockey for a while.

    There are only so many things you can do with a jersey, some start looking similar after a while.

  • bourbon soaked idiot | September 3, 2009 at 12:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”345829″][quote comment=”345825″]I love the Oregon “choose the uniform” feature.

    “Steel” and black are considered neutral colors, that’s why they’re added to a lot of team palettes. I’m sorry to see the yellow pants go, but the green jersey, grey pants look is the best. It’s kind of retro Philly Eagles.[/quote]

    Black is not, by uniform evolution, neutral. White is neutral because it’s incorporation evolved from everyone being required to wear white jerseys roughly half the time. Prior to the mandate for white jerseys, many teams wore no white at all. Black is not suddenly neutral just because some study revealed that (surprise!) teams are perceived as “tougher” when wearing black…and scores of teams went scrambling for a black alt, or a new black uni altogether (easier than finding better players, I guess).

    Silver/gray admittedly can be put in the “sorta neutral” category when used an alternative to white, largely owing to gray being so prevalent, by edict, in baseball for so many years that it had become commonplace as a substitute/alternative for white.

    Not against black per se, just saying it was DECLARED “neutral” by designers, marketers and coaches; didn’t develop from the history of he game. It’s the current affectation, not the next result of a fundamental change in gamewear resulting from a rule change, or some such.

    (And don’t somebody start with, “Well…cleats were black forever”. That’s just a lame argument. Black cleats weren’t neutral, they were universal because they were standard, the only thing available until the early 70’s. Nobody ever said, “Well, black is one of our colors cuz we wear black cleats”).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Black is nuetral in that it works well with most other colors. I’ve read studies that stated teams in red perceived as “tougher”. But red is hard to incorporate into existing color schemes.

  • Mike | September 3, 2009 at 12:28 pm |

    whats the email address to enter the raffle?

  • LarenR | September 3, 2009 at 12:36 pm |

    uniraffle[at]earthlink[dot]net

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 12:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”345831″][quote comment=”345800″][quote comment=”345797″][quote comment=”345794″][quote comment=”345786″]Oregon Ducks playing on the blue turf tonight! I can barely contain my excitement…this could be a visual train wreck.[/quote]

    Not to mention the debut of Boise State butt stripes.
    Butt stripes and shoulder doilies.
    Jesus.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    but wait, YOU can help oregon pick it’s look

    (yeah, i know that’s from yesterday, but it’s fun to play with)[/quote]

    When did “steel” become one of Oregon’s colors?

    Aw, hell, I’m still wondering when BLACK did.
    (and don’t someone say it’s “neutral”; it isn’t, there’s no evolution behind that, someone just DECLARED it neutral…so now I suppose “steel” will soon be neutral, too. Hell, let’s just decide purple is neutral, seems that would be okay, based on the new rules of uni design, apparently.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    When were there ever rules?[/quote]

    For a long time, there were, kinda, design parameters, yes.

    Teams wore their colors, often adding white cuz they wore it half the time anyway, and silver as an alt to white (owing to the baseball model).

    Now days it looks like designers can’t handle that.

    “It’s TOO HARD!!! Green, yellow and white only??? NOBODY can design a a good-looking uniform under unrealistic, unreasonable constraints like that!!!!! I simply MUST have BLACK! Work with me, people, WORK with me!”

    I’m saying there’s a TREND to use black, yes. But, in the context of the game, there is absolutely no basis for it being “neutral” and certainly not “universal”.

    —Ricko

    Again, didn’tsay don’t use it. Just bugs me when

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 12:42 pm |

    Yes, I get that black is neutral as a color. Spent way too many years at a drawing board NOT to understand that.

    But it’s not even REMOTELY what I’m talking about.

  • Oakville Endive | September 3, 2009 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”345822″][quote comment=”345817″]Does anyone else think that the Minnesota Wild adopting a retro 3rd jersey is somewhat pointless, in light of the fact that their current home uni already has a retro look to it. In addition, this new third jersey, seems to be borrowing heavily from the All Star game jerseys used when the game was played in St. Paul, which also seems rather odd, considering how meaningless All Star games are.

    In addition, there is a website (icethetics) that shows the Anaheim Ducks centre ice,

    the logo that now graces centre ice – is strictly the webbed “D”, which this site, and I would agree, represents an improvement.[/quote]

    You mean, they did what the Dallas (nee: Minnesota North) Stars did when they recycled the All-Star jersey design for their jerseys? The NHL stopped using the star jersey in 1997, and the Stars introduced their alternate jersey in the same design in the same year.

    And I think honouring their heritage is ok. I just hate that it looks like the Mighty Ducks old alternate logo far too much. It seems that recycling, while good in the real world, is a bad idea in the sport world as fans demand originality.

    Bring back the real green![/quote]

    Yes I agree on the similarity with the old Mighty Ducks logo – in general hockey unis should stay away from adopting what I would call a baseball style script.

    I don’t mind the “iron red” uni – although overall I deplore the lack of green, orange, purple unis in the NHL. However my preference, but my priority with the Wild uni set up, would be for the white uni, to look more like the iron red uni, (i.e. same logo and number font)

  • anotherguy | September 3, 2009 at 12:51 pm |

    Ricko, they’re not really going to blow up the Metrodome, are they? I understood that they Vikes will use it indefinitely.

    There was a lot of words about that yesterday when the Sox got out of town, but I thought your football stadium was on hold.

  • ChrisSh | September 3, 2009 at 12:55 pm |

    I don’t like black either, but I can see how you could call it a neutral color in some sense. I mean, black is defined as the absence of color, which at least makes it different from navy blue or red or whatever.

  • leon | September 3, 2009 at 1:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”345840″]Ricko, they’re not really going to blow up the Metrodome, are they?

    thought they did that every time they use it.

  • Steve May | September 3, 2009 at 1:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”345832″]Wrong one: here’s the ’89 one

    http://www.youtube.c...

    Yeah the ’94 goal was sweet revenge.
    Interesting fact. Earlier in the ’89 overtime, captain Stan Smyl had a breakaway, and put it into goalie Mike Vernon’s glove. His linemates were Greg Adams and Trevor Linden.

    In 1994 – Pavel Bure had a breakaway in the 2nd OT and put it past goalie Mike Vernon. His linemates were Greg Adams and Trevor Linden.

    Smyl – by then retired and an assitant coach – said afterwards “They finally got the right guy for the line…”

  • anotherguy | September 3, 2009 at 1:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”345842″]
    thought they did that every time they use it.[/quote]
    I won’t say where they get the hot air; however, other posters might have an idea.

    :-)

  • DJ | September 3, 2009 at 1:07 pm |

    Ricko, they’re not really going to blow up the Metrodome, are they? I understood that they Vikes will use it indefinitely.

    There was a lot of words about that yesterday when the Sox got out of town, but I thought your football stadium was on hold.

    The White Sox wish the Metrodome was being blown up. It’s not; the Vikings will remain there for the foreseeable future.

  • PhotographerN | September 3, 2009 at 1:11 pm |

    We are all proud of Sarge here in Philadelphia. More fans should honor him (and his teammates) than put their own names on the backs of their jerseys!

  • anotherguy | September 3, 2009 at 1:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”345845″]
    The White Sox wish the Metrodome was being blown up. It’s not; the Vikings will remain there for the foreseeable future.[/quote]There was some interesting historical video on Chicago TV yesterday-you’d think the place hadn’t changed much but it certainly has over the years.

    I toured the place a long time ago: they made the point that it definitely was a football-first design. No mention of rollerball though.

  • aflfan | September 3, 2009 at 1:20 pm |

    Carlos Guillen is wearing the S100 today. Rod Allen said he looked like the Great Gazoo.

  • anotherguy | September 3, 2009 at 1:21 pm |

    One question for the group on the new baseball helmet: does anyone have any links to a site where the number of baseball “beanings” are documented?

    I wonder what the stats are on games missed, etc. and what the new helmet may mean.

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 1:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”345845″]Ricko, they’re not really going to blow up the Metrodome, are they? I understood that they Vikes will use it indefinitely.

    There was a lot of words about that yesterday when the Sox got out of town, but I thought your football stadium was on hold.

    The White Sox wish the Metrodome was being blown up. It’s not; the Vikings will remain there for the foreseeable future.[/quote]

    Vikings’ lease up after 2010, I believe (or maybe 2011). At that point, they’re free to look elsewhere. And probably will.

    Los Angeles Vikings? That’s even dumber than Lakers. Although I think NFL owners would prefer divvying up a monster expansion fee out of L.A. than let one of their newer owners deprive them of it. San Antonio? Jerry Jones’d love THAT.

    —Ricko

  • aflfan | September 3, 2009 at 1:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”345850″][quote comment=”345845″]Ricko, they’re not really going to blow up the Metrodome, are they? I understood that they Vikes will use it indefinitely.

    There was a lot of words about that yesterday when the Sox got out of town, but I thought your football stadium was on hold.

    The White Sox wish the Metrodome was being blown up. It’s not; the Vikings will remain there for the foreseeable future.[/quote]

    Vikings’ lease up after 2010, I believe (or maybe 2011). At that point, they’re free to look elsewhere. And probably will.

    Los Angeles Vikings? That’s even dumber than Lakers. Although I think NFL owners would prefer divvying up a monster expansion fee out of L.A. than let one of their newer owners deprive them of it. San Antonio? Jerry Jones’d love THAT.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    If LA wants a team they can have the Lions but they have to take the Fords with them.

  • SteveSmith | September 3, 2009 at 1:27 pm |

    MLB Alert- In Detroit, Carlos Guillen is wearing the new batting helemet.

  • leon | September 3, 2009 at 1:29 pm |

    If LA wants a team they can have the Lions but they have to take the Fords with them.

    if jaguars aren’t there first (the team,not the automobile).

  • anotherguy | September 3, 2009 at 1:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”345850″]Vikings’ lease up after 2010, I believe (or maybe 2011). At that point, they’re free to look elsewhere. And probably will.[/quote]
    I think they’ll use the San Antiono dome as a lever to try and speed up a new stadium, but ultimately the other owners won’t let that happen (same reason as LA).

    [quote comment=”345850″]Los Angeles Vikings? [/quote]
    A) That would make the NFC North divison tag pretty much meaningless.

    B) One more reason to adopt my “NFL Properties owns the nicknames and records of all franchises” plan.

    Hey Ricko, who’s your favorite purple dinosaur?
    :-)

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 1:32 pm |

    “Vikings’ lease up after 2010, I believe (or maybe 2011).”

    Wilfs want a new stadium here in MN, built with a LOT of public money.

    Starting to see the other agenda in the Favre signing now, are you?

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 1:35 pm |

    ” Hey Ricko, who’s your favorite purple dinosaur?
    :-) ”

    Matt Birk.

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”345853″]If LA wants a team they can have the Lions but they have to take the Fords with them.

    if jaguars aren’t there first (the team,not the automobile).[/quote]

    Likewise for Fords, I assume?

  • Phillip Signey | September 3, 2009 at 1:43 pm |

    Oregon Coach Kelley announced on the Jim Rome show that the Ducks will be wearing all white tonight

  • anotherguy | September 3, 2009 at 1:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”345855″]Starting to see the other agenda in the Favre signing now, are you?[/quote]
    Wait, you mean there’s more than one agenda?

    Okay, selling tickets is the one. What’s the other?

    :-)

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 1:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”345858″]Oregon Coach Kelley announced on the Jim Rome show that the Ducks will be wearing all white tonight[/quote]

    Helmets, too?
    Talk about looking like the Great Gazoo, their white hats look just HUGE.

    But mostly, damn…it will be just a blue team and white team on a blue field. It could have been SO much worse. C’mon, Oregon, you’re not even TRYING.

  • iLO | September 3, 2009 at 1:50 pm |

    Staff Sergeant rank to be exact. ;)

    -SSG R.

  • Traxel | September 3, 2009 at 1:50 pm |

    That Sean Englehardt graphic of the mets is fantastic. Really shows what they are getting out of each player. Maybe salary could come into play on it somehow so you can see how some $10 million salaries are spent. Great job. I’d like to see it on ESPN’s page for each team.

  • Stuby | September 3, 2009 at 1:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”345860″][quote comment=”345858″]Oregon Coach Kelley announced on the Jim Rome show that the Ducks will be wearing all white tonight[/quote]

    Helmets, too?
    Talk about looking like the Great Gazoo, their white hats look just HUGE.

    But mostly, damn…it will be just a blue team and white team on a blue field. It could have been SO much worse. C’mon, Oregon, you’re not even TRYING.[/quote]
    They have white pants??

    http://image.cdnl3.x...

  • Hott Rodd | September 3, 2009 at 1:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”345856″]” Hey Ricko, who’s your favorite purple dinosaur?
    :-) ”

    Matt Birk.[/quote]

    The Raven?

  • Stuby | September 3, 2009 at 2:00 pm |

    Nevermind. I read the accompanying article and Oregon does have white pants as a sartorial option. But which of the two white jerseys will they wear?

    http://www.goducks.c...

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 2:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”345863″][quote comment=”345860″][quote comment=”345858″]Oregon Coach Kelley announced on the Jim Rome show that the Ducks will be wearing all white tonight[/quote]

    Helmets, too?
    Talk about looking like the Great Gazoo, their white hats look just HUGE.

    But mostly, damn…it will be just a blue team and white team on a blue field. It could have been SO much worse. C’mon, Oregon, you’re not even TRYING.[/quote]
    They have white pants??

    http://image.cdnl3.x...

    Proving yet again why players and coaches aren’t to be considered reliable sources for uni info.

  • Traxel | September 3, 2009 at 2:02 pm |

    [quote comment=\”345863\”][quote comment=\”345860\”][quote comment=\”345858\”]Oregon Coach Kelley announced on the Jim Rome show that the Ducks will be wearing all white tonight[/quote]

    Helmets, too?
    Talk about looking like the Great Gazoo, their white hats look just HUGE.

    But mostly, damn…it will be just a blue team and white team on a blue field. It could have been SO much worse. C\’mon, Oregon, you\’re not even TRYING.[/quote]
    They have white pants??

    http://image.cdnl3.x...

    I still say that is not a 2 on the white/silver uni. It is a backwards 5. Could be an upside down AND backwards 2…..i guess…..whatever…..it ain’t right.

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 2:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”345864″][quote comment=”345856″]” Hey Ricko, who’s your favorite purple dinosaur?
    :-) ”

    Matt Birk.[/quote]

    The Raven?[/quote]

    Still purple, right. Well, some/most of the time.
    (Hey, just didn’t wanna give the expected answer, LOL)

  • LI Phil | September 3, 2009 at 2:12 pm |

    [quote]which of the two white jerseys will they wear?[/quote]

    the yellow one

  • Peter | September 3, 2009 at 2:13 pm |

    So, with the very real possibility of at least one or 2 NFL teams moving in the next 5 years (Jags & or the Vikes) who will retain their names? Colors? etc. there’s only so many markets…at what point does it just start drying up?

    Also, would this begin the possibility of re-alignment?

  • aflfan | September 3, 2009 at 2:24 pm |

    In his third at bat Guillen has gone back to his normal helmet.

  • Hott Rodd | September 3, 2009 at 2:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”345870″]So, with the very real possibility of at least one or 2 NFL teams moving in the next 5 years (Jags & or the Vikes) who will retain their names? Colors? etc. there’s only so many markets…at what point does it just start drying up?

    Also, would this begin the possibility of re-alignment?[/quote]

    It’s just me, but I SEVERELY doubt that anything would stay with Jacksonville. The city continues to be incapable of supporting a team.

  • Bobby | September 3, 2009 at 2:25 pm |
  • aflfan | September 3, 2009 at 2:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”345853″]If LA wants a team they can have the Lions but they have to take the Fords with them.

    if jaguars aren’t there first (the team,not the automobile).[/quote]

    You do know I mean the owners of the Lions (the Ford family) not the car.

  • Bobby | September 3, 2009 at 2:27 pm |
  • Bobby | September 3, 2009 at 2:27 pm |
  • Kerry P | September 3, 2009 at 2:38 pm |

    If the Vikings were to leave, re-alignment wouldn’t be hard. Vikes to the NFC West, Rams to the NFC North. EASY.

    But if Jacksonville were to leave for LA, that would make it more difficult.

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 2:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”345870″]So, with the very real possibility of at least one or 2 NFL teams moving in the next 5 years (Jags & or the Vikes) who will retain their names? Colors? etc. there’s only so many markets…at what point does it just start drying up?

    Also, would this begin the possibility of re-alignment?[/quote]

    Reality check, gang. Everything trademarked, copyrighted, etc., etc., would move with the team. Stuff about communities owning any of it is all emotional, irrational claptrap from fans who haven’t a clue. It’s business, and those things belong TO the business, even if it sets up shop in a new town. The Browns situation was a serious anomaly. Don’t expect it–in fact, don’t even look for it—again. Ever. Unless the new team buys material from the former team, or some other unique arrangement is hammered out.

    Use the Oilers/Titans as the template. That’s the way it is. Can’t change it. Can whine. But can’t change it.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | September 3, 2009 at 2:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”345785″]Fist look at Towson’s new Under Armour Unis

    http://www.baltimore...

    Is #95 hiding his face in shame? They’re not bad – almost like the Hamilton Tiger-Cats.

    I like the S100 double flap helmet. Just wear it.

    I’d like to think Sarge was saying he could see the BANDS on Jupiter’s surface instead of the rings. If the camera got a good enough zoom you could see them.

    I could see the Jags in LA. Wouldn’t even need to realign – SoCal’s in the southern half of the country. That could open up the possible rightful return someday of the Jacksonville Bulls. If the Vikes move then we have problems.

  • Stuby | September 3, 2009 at 2:45 pm |

    If the Jags move to LA, just swap ’em with the Chiefs.

  • Hott Rodd | September 3, 2009 at 2:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”345877″]If the Vikings were to leave, re-alignment wouldn’t be hard. Vikes to the NFC West, Rams to the NFC North. EASY.

    But if Jacksonville were to leave for LA, that would make it more difficult.[/quote]

    yeah you would probably have full realignment in the AFC.

    What would make sense geographically would be
    West – Raiders, Chargers, LA(Jax), Denver
    North – Pitt, Cle, Cin, Indy
    South – Chiefs, Texans, Titans, Dolphins
    East – Pats, Jets, Ravens, Buf

  • Paul Lukas | September 3, 2009 at 2:47 pm |

    Today’s ESPN column is finally up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 2:48 pm |

    Do you realize how much money every NFL owner is costing himself in expansion fees if he allows an existing team to move to LA?

    Of course, that assumes there IS a possible expansion team ownership group for LA.

    LA, in case no one has noticed, has sent an alarmingly (for the NFL) message to major markets around the country: “We get along just fine without the NFL, thank you very much.”

    Don’t think the politicos around Minnesota aren’t well aware that the Vikings don’t exactly have a piss-pot full of options.

    Gonna be an interesting next few years.

    —Ricko

  • Dennis Rodman | September 3, 2009 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”345786″]Oregon Ducks playing on the blue turf tonight! I can barely contain my excitement…this could be a visual train wreck.[/quote]

    Sorry if this has been said, but Oregon’s head coach said on the Jim Rome show the Ducks are going to wear White from head to toe (helmet, jersey, pants, socks, and shoes)

  • Peter | September 3, 2009 at 3:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”345881″][quote comment=”345877″]If the Vikings were to leave, re-alignment wouldn’t be hard. Vikes to the NFC West, Rams to the NFC North. EASY.

    But if Jacksonville were to leave for LA, that would make it more difficult.[/quote]

    yeah you would probably have full realignment in the AFC.

    What would make sense geographically would be
    West – Raiders, Chargers, LA(Jax), Denver
    North – Pitt, Cle, Cin, Indy
    South – Chiefs, Texans, Titans, Dolphins
    East – Pats, Jets, Ravens, Buf[/quote]

    I don’t the NFL will break up certain Rivals…i,e. Oak v. KC/NYJ VS Mia etc. (By way of the NFC East)

    IF something like this would happen, I am sure they would use a Geographic/Rival template…certain franchises must have certain games EVERY year…

    Ricko: You are so right on lack of options…but in your wisdom, has the NFL began to dry itself up of market options, and by exercising these blackouts, aren’t they alienating fans more & more in today’s game? just a bevy of questions on a slippery slope…pk

  • LI Phil | September 3, 2009 at 3:07 pm |

    browns being allowed to keep colors in history in cleveland, while great for the fans, (and lets face it…those colors belong in cleveland and not baltimore)…was a BAD precedent — maybe one that won’t soon be repeated, but now that pandora’s box has been opened…

    as sad as that may be for fans of a relocated franchise…that’s just the way it is…and if they bitch and moan loudly enough, they’ll get another team soon enough

    i agree with ricko on the expansion fees thing, with one caveat — the NFL isn’t gonna expand anytime soon — 32 teams is a perfect number (would be even better if MLB could find room for two more teams, since then the symmetry would be perfect, but that’s an argument for another day)

    question is…would relocation to LA be better for the NFL in the long run, as opposed to waiting for, and never getting, another round of expansion? i know the owners would love to divvy up a huge chunk of change for two new franchise rights, but i really don’t see that happening in the foreseeable future…you would probably see contraction to 30 teams and then a new expansion back to 32 before you see a 34-team league

    they (owners) should bite the bullet and allow some movement now (or in 2 years or whenever) than force things to stay the same hoping that someday the league will expand again

    /just my $.02

  • Hott Rodd | September 3, 2009 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”345885″][quote comment=”345881″][quote comment=”345877″]If the Vikings were to leave, re-alignment wouldn’t be hard. Vikes to the NFC West, Rams to the NFC North. EASY.

    But if Jacksonville were to leave for LA, that would make it more difficult.[/quote]

    yeah you would probably have full realignment in the AFC.

    What would make sense geographically would be
    West – Raiders, Chargers, LA(Jax), Denver
    North – Pitt, Cle, Cin, Indy
    South – Chiefs, Texans, Titans, Dolphins
    East – Pats, Jets, Ravens, Buf[/quote]

    I don’t the NFL will break up certain Rivals…i,e. Oak v. KC/NYJ VS Mia etc. (By way of the NFC East)

    IF something like this would happen, I am sure they would use a Geographic/Rival template…certain franchises must have certain games EVERY year…

    Ricko: You are so right on lack of options…but in your wisdom, has the NFL began to dry itself up of market options, and by exercising these blackouts, aren’t they alienating fans more & more in today’s game? just a bevy of questions on a slippery slope…pk[/quote]

    Oh I agree on the whole rivalry thing. I was pointing out the best realignment from a geographical standpoint. I realize that will never happen. I think it’s silly, but the NFL likes the rivalries. Teams should just do like the Pats and Colts do, win their division every year, and they will play each other every year. (2nd place last year)

  • Beardface | September 3, 2009 at 3:18 pm |

    VT to wear white throwbacks with new throwback maroon helmets (actual helmet to be used following link) for the Marshall game to honor Frank Loria… Former VT QB who was killed in the Marshall plane crash while serving as an assitant coach for the Herd.

    http://www.hokiespor...

    I had actually heard that the white throwbacks were being scrapped, so this is a pleasant surprise. Still no direct confirmation on the maroon throwbacks we should be wearing sometime this year as well. (The fact the whites are still here and we’re planning on bringing in the maroons leads me to believe they’ll be our standard set in 2010 after our 2 year commitment with the newfangled unis run out with Nike)

  • anthony | September 3, 2009 at 3:19 pm |

    UGLIEST UNIFORMS

    anyone see this site today?

    http://www.gunaxin.c...

  • LI Phil | September 3, 2009 at 3:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”345889″]UGLIEST UNIFORMS

    anyone see this site today?

    http://www.gunaxin.c...

    no ducks?

    no “ugliest” list is ever complete without oregon

    /fail

  • Oakville Endive | September 3, 2009 at 3:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”345886″]browns being allowed to keep colors in history in cleveland, while great for the fans, (and lets face it…those colors belong in cleveland and not baltimore)…was a BAD precedent — maybe one that won’t soon be repeated, but now that pandora’s box has been opened…

    as sad as that may be for fans of a relocated franchise…that’s just the way it is…and if they bitch and moan loudly enough, they’ll get another team soon enough

    i agree with ricko on the expansion fees thing, with one caveat — the NFL isn’t gonna expand anytime soon — 32 teams is a perfect number (would be even better if MLB could find room for two more teams, since then the symmetry would be perfect, but that’s an argument for another day)

    question is…would relocation to LA be better for the NFL in the long run, as opposed to waiting for, and never getting, another round of expansion? i know the owners would love to divvy up a huge chunk of change for two new franchise rights, but i really don’t see that happening in the foreseeable future…you would probably see contraction to 30 teams and then a new expansion back to 32 before you see a 34-team league

    they (owners) should bite the bullet and allow some movement now (or in 2 years or whenever) than force things to stay the same hoping that someday the league will expand again

    /just my $.02[/quote]

    I don’t disagree, but expand to 36 teams over a few years (LA, Toronto, San Antonio and say Mexico City) – $6.0 Billion in total expansion fees – that close to $200M per existing clubs – and it could be 6 divisions of six, playing 18 games. – Money talks

  • stu | September 3, 2009 at 3:47 pm |

    Michigan State added a little decal to the Helmet this year

    http://twitpic.com/g...

  • Jeff P | September 3, 2009 at 4:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”345839″][quote comment=”345822″][quote comment=”345817″]Does anyone else think that the Minnesota Wild adopting a retro 3rd jersey is somewhat pointless, in light of the fact that their current home uni already has a retro look to it. In addition, this new third jersey, seems to be borrowing heavily from the All Star game jerseys used when the game was played in St. Paul, which also seems rather odd, considering how meaningless All Star games are.

    In addition, there is a website (icethetics) that shows the Anaheim Ducks centre ice,

    the logo that now graces centre ice – is strictly the webbed “D”, which this site, and I would agree, represents an improvement.[/quote]

    You mean, they did what the Dallas (nee: Minnesota North) Stars did when they recycled the All-Star jersey design for their jerseys? The NHL stopped using the star jersey in 1997, and the Stars introduced their alternate jersey in the same design in the same year.

    And I think honouring their heritage is ok. I just hate that it looks like the Mighty Ducks old alternate logo far too much. It seems that recycling, while good in the real world, is a bad idea in the sport world as fans demand originality.

    Bring back the real green![/quote]

    Yes I agree on the similarity with the old Mighty Ducks logo – in general hockey unis should stay away from adopting what I would call a baseball style script.

    I don’t mind the “iron red” uni – although overall I deplore the lack of green, orange, purple unis in the NHL.

    However my preference, but my priority with the Wild uni set up, would be for the white uni, to look more like the iron red uni, (i.e. same logo and number font)[/quote]
    I disagree on the Wild thing. The pattern for their green and former white is far superior to the pattern for the red, and the circle is dumber then the script logo.

    As for the script logo not belonging on a hockey uniform, the quakers say hi.

  • Oakville Endive | September 3, 2009 at 4:35 pm |

    Yes I agree on the similarity with the old Mighty Ducks logo – in general hockey unis should stay away from adopting what I would call a baseball style script.

    I don’t mind the “iron red” uni – although overall I deplore the lack of green, orange, purple unis in the NHL.

    However my preference, but my priority with the Wild uni set up, would be for the white uni, to look more like the iron red uni, (i.e. same logo and number font)[/quote]
    I disagree on the Wild thing. The pattern for their green and former white is far superior to the pattern for the red, and the circle is dumber then the script logo.

    As for the script logo not belonging on a hockey uniform, the quakers say hi.[/quote]

    Circular logos are far far more prevalent in hockey history. Chicago Blackhawks, Pittsburgh Penguins and the Quebec Aces to name a few. I realize script logos have a history as well – but to me both Anaheim and now Minnesota’s are essentially baseball logos stuck on a hockey uniform – and its as suitable as logos were on basketball jerseys (Raptors, Bucks, Jazz etc, all of which have happily gone by the wayside.

    Hmmm Teebz hasn’t reacted to the Nordiques appearing on that “worst of” list. He must have mellowed during this hiatus.

  • Teebz | September 3, 2009 at 4:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”345894″]
    Hmmm Teebz hasn’t reacted to the Nordiques appearing on that “worst of” list. He must have mellowed during this hiatus.[/quote]

    Nope. That guy was dead to me as soon as he called the logo an “aardvark”. If you don’t know what the logo is, don’t speculate as to what you interpret it to be and look like an ass. He can take his list, turn it sideways, and place it somewhere inside his duodenum.

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 4:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”345891″][quote comment=”345886″]browns being allowed to keep colors in history in cleveland, while great for the fans, (and lets face it…those colors belong in cleveland and not baltimore)…was a BAD precedent — maybe one that won’t soon be repeated, but now that pandora’s box has been opened…

    as sad as that may be for fans of a relocated franchise…that’s just the way it is…and if they bitch and moan loudly enough, they’ll get another team soon enough

    i agree with ricko on the expansion fees thing, with one caveat — the NFL isn’t gonna expand anytime soon — 32 teams is a perfect number (would be even better if MLB could find room for two more teams, since then the symmetry would be perfect, but that’s an argument for another day)

    question is…would relocation to LA be better for the NFL in the long run, as opposed to waiting for, and never getting, another round of expansion? i know the owners would love to divvy up a huge chunk of change for two new franchise rights, but i really don’t see that happening in the foreseeable future…you would probably see contraction to 30 teams and then a new expansion back to 32 before you see a 34-team league

    they (owners) should bite the bullet and allow some movement now (or in 2 years or whenever) than force things to stay the same hoping that someday the league will expand again

    /just my $.02[/quote]

    I don’t disagree, but expand to 36 teams over a few years (LA, Toronto, San Antonio and say Mexico City) – $6.0 Billion in total expansion fees – that close to $200M per existing clubs – and it could be 6 divisions of six, playing 18 games. – Money talks[/quote]

    There ya go. NFL owners may not get what they want, but something like that is what they almost certainly are dreaming of.

    —Ricko

  • Oakville Endive | September 3, 2009 at 4:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”345895″][quote comment=”345894″]
    Hmmm Teebz hasn’t reacted to the Nordiques appearing on that “worst of” list. He must have mellowed during this hiatus.[/quote]

    Nope. That guy was dead to me as soon as he called the logo an “aardvark”. If you don’t know what the logo is, don’t speculate as to what you interpret it to be and look like an ass. He can take his list, turn it sideways, and place it somewhere inside his duodenum.[/quote]

    That’s more like it, the world is regaining equilibrium.

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 4:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”345897″][quote comment=”345895″][quote comment=”345894″]
    Hmmm Teebz hasn’t reacted to the Nordiques appearing on that “worst of” list. He must have mellowed during this hiatus.[/quote]

    Nope. That guy was dead to me as soon as he called the logo an “aardvark”. If you don’t know what the logo is, don’t speculate as to what you interpret it to be and look like an ass. He can take his list, turn it sideways, and place it somewhere inside his duodenum.[/quote]

    That’s more like it, the world is regaining equilibrium.[/quote]

    Not to mention the guy made the obligatory choice of the original Bucanneers. Still don’t get that one. It’s the same damn color as Tennessee, yet nobody ever rips the Volunteers.

    —Ricko

  • Oakville Endive | September 3, 2009 at 5:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”345898″][quote comment=”345897″][quote comment=”345895″][quote comment=”345894″]
    Hmmm Teebz hasn’t reacted to the Nordiques appearing on that “worst of” list. He must have mellowed during this hiatus.[/quote]

    Nope. That guy was dead to me as soon as he called the logo an “aardvark”. If you don’t know what the logo is, don’t speculate as to what you interpret it to be and look like an ass. He can take his list, turn it sideways, and place it somewhere inside his duodenum.[/quote]

    That’s more like it, the world is regaining equilibrium.[/quote]

    Not to mention the guy made the obligatory choice of the original Bucanneers. Still don’t get that one. It’s the same damn color as Tennessee, yet nobody ever rips the Volunteers.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    100% agree – and why does light or bright orange take such a beating, and yet light blue is so well thought of – i.e. San Diego Chargers classic retro uni. I actually think the Bucs uni is better than the Vols – as the red is a nice offset.

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 5:06 pm |

    UCLA announced it WILL play in the Rose Bowl this weekend. Quite possibly could be by firelight.

    Not making fun of the situation, not at all. Just pointing out a more than unusual circumstance. Some strange and disquieting visuals possible, that’s for sure.

    —Ricko

  • Jim Bullard | September 3, 2009 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”345796″][quote comment=”345789″]That Georgia State work is atrocious. Who’s churning out this garbage?

    The fact that the type treatment in GSU is “sort of” serif/sans serif is a dead giveaway for poor quality work. It’s like they couldn’t decide. Both squared off and rounded edges? Come on!

    Saying nothing about that panther thing …[/quote]
    Regardless, its a hell of a lot better than the 1970’s Disney movie panther they originally had for a logo… that thing is just comically bad to look at.[/quote]

    I completely disagree. I thought the old panther logo was great. This new one is boring and unncessary.

  • JimV19 | September 3, 2009 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”345890″][quote comment=”345889″]UGLIEST UNIFORMS

    anyone see this site today?

    http://www.gunaxin.c...

    no ducks?

    no “ugliest” list is ever complete without oregon

    /fail[/quote]

    Yeah, how did the Ducks get a pass while my Pirates made the list? The only fail with those unis was the pillbox hat. The Nordiques being on the list was the worst travesty, yes, even worse than the ’80s Nuggets and the Buccaneers being on there.

  • JTH | September 3, 2009 at 5:09 pm |

    So, like the Canadiens did with some of their throwbacks last season, it looks like the Flames won’t be going with the Edge template for their throwback jerseys. I like.

    It’s just too bad they’re only going to wear them five times. And that article mentions red helmets and gloves but what about the pants?

  • JTH | September 3, 2009 at 5:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”345902″][quote comment=”345890″][quote comment=”345889″]UGLIEST UNIFORMS

    anyone see this site today?

    http://www.gunaxin.c...

    no ducks?

    no “ugliest” list is ever complete without oregon

    /fail[/quote]

    Yeah, how did the Ducks get a pass while my Pirates made the list? The only fail with those unis was the pillbox hat. The Nordiques being on the list was the worst travesty, yes, even worse than the ’80s Nuggets and the Buccaneers being on there.[/quote]
    Those Nordiques unis gets way too much love around here. I never liked them, especially the logo. (The writer referred to it as an “aardvark”? I’m at work and that page is blocked, so I didn’t see the list.) The colors were OK, but there was just too much blue.

    I feel the same way about Pat Patriot. Better than flying Elvis? Hell, yes. But that doesn’t mean it was good.

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 5:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”345902″][quote comment=”345890″][quote comment=”345889″]UGLIEST UNIFORMS

    anyone see this site today?

    http://www.gunaxin.c...

    no ducks?

    no “ugliest” list is ever complete without oregon

    /fail[/quote]

    Yeah, how did the Ducks get a pass while my Pirates made the list? The only fail with those unis was the pillbox hat. The Nordiques being on the list was the worst travesty, yes, even worse than the ’80s Nuggets and the Buccaneers being on there.[/quote]

    Why is it so tough to see that the Nordiques logo is an igloo and a hockey stick? But all this guy wants to see is an aadrvark? So much of HIS artistic credibility and understanding of 70’s era design (a lot of which IS pretty goofy, for sure).

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 5:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”345904″][quote comment=”345902″][quote comment=”345890″][quote comment=”345889″]UGLIEST UNIFORMS

    anyone see this site today?

    http://www.gunaxin.c...

    no ducks?

    no “ugliest” list is ever complete without oregon

    /fail[/quote]

    Yeah, how did the Ducks get a pass while my Pirates made the list? The only fail with those unis was the pillbox hat. The Nordiques being on the list was the worst travesty, yes, even worse than the ’80s Nuggets and the Buccaneers being on there.[/quote]
    Those Nordiques unis gets way too much love around here. I never liked them, especially the logo. (The writer referred to it as an “aardvark”? I’m at work and that page is blocked, so I didn’t see the list.) The colors were OK, but there was just too much blue.

    I feel the same way about Pat Patriot. Better than flying Elvis? Hell, yes. But that doesn’t mean it was good.[/quote]

    LOL. Especially if you examine closely the original Pat Patriot. He looks like the kind of guy who twists the heads off parakeets.
    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | September 3, 2009 at 5:29 pm |

    i donno man

    i can sorta see his point

    everyone knows it’s a N with a stick anyways

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 5:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”345907″]i donno man

    i can sorta see his point

    everyone knows it’s a N with a stick anyways[/quote]

    AND, it’s an igloo. 1970’s. Far out, man.

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 5:32 pm |

    Or did you mean THIS Pat Patriot?
    http://www.comicartf...

  • Oakville Endive | September 3, 2009 at 5:35 pm |

    A couple of additional comments on the worst uni list (which really probably isn’t worth our time)

    1. With the Tampa Bay Buccaneers uni, what has to also be considered with that shade of orange, is that Florida does produces a few oranges, and if anyone seen an orange or a orange grove know the shade Tampa Bay used, was a lot closer to the shade of an orange than the Halloween shade that most teams that have orange as a colour, use.

    2. How can anyone say that the Tampa Bay uni is uglier than the current Cincinnati Bengals – there is simply no comparison – one is a complete mess, the other while you can question the jaundice pirate helmet logo, is quite a neat and vibrant uni.

  • Berto | September 3, 2009 at 5:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”345794″][quote comment=”345786″]Oregon Ducks playing on the blue turf tonight! I can barely contain my excitement…this could be a visual train wreck.[/quote]

    Not to mention the debut of Boise State butt stripes.
    Butt stripes and shoulder doilies.
    Jesus.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    You wanna talk about butt stripes…

  • JTH | September 3, 2009 at 5:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”345908″][quote comment=”345907″]i donno man

    i can sorta see his point

    everyone knows it’s a N with a stick anyways[/quote]

    AND, it’s an igloo. 1970’s. Far out, man.[/quote]
    Gotta say that it does kinda look more like an aardvark than an igloo.

  • JTH | September 3, 2009 at 5:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”345909″]Or did you mean THIS Pat Patriot?
    http://www.comicartf...
    Damn. Another blocked site.

    Ah, well, I’m out the door soon. I’ll just look at it when I get home.

  • Squiddie | September 3, 2009 at 5:59 pm |

    The folks at Vintage Minnesota Hockey are comparing the new Wild logo’s M to the M used by the Minneapolis Miller in this photo.

    They also make the connection between to these Saints unis.

  • RWNeal | September 3, 2009 at 6:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”345898″][quote comment=”345897″][quote comment=”345895″][quote comment=”345894″]
    Hmmm Teebz hasn’t reacted to the Nordiques appearing on that “worst of” list. He must have mellowed during this hiatus.[/quote]

    Nope. That guy was dead to me as soon as he called the logo an “aardvark”. If you don’t know what the logo is, don’t speculate as to what you interpret it to be and look like an ass. He can take his list, turn it sideways, and place it somewhere inside his duodenum.[/quote]

    That’s more like it, the world is regaining equilibrium.[/quote]

    Not to mention the guy made the obligatory choice of the original Bucanneers. Still don’t get that one. It’s the same damn color as Tennessee, yet nobody ever rips the Volunteers.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s not so much the colors as the colors combined with Bucco Bruce. As Sam Wyche once said “Who the hell’s going to be scared of a guy with a feather in his hat winking at you?” It *might* have worked if they had brought in the current Jolly Roger & cutlass design and kept the same colors, but I doubt it. There’s just something really washed out looking about the old Tampa colors.

  • bj | September 3, 2009 at 6:58 pm |

    paul,
    RE: the gators’ new nameplate font:
    this pic is from the UF spring game
    http://gatorzone.com...

    you can see the sharper angles on the S,U, and B

    here’s a good pic of the BCS game nameplate (white jersey)
    http://www.gainesvil...

    and here’s the SEC Champ. game (blue jersey)
    http://i26.tinypic.c...

    this is from the 1st practice this year:
    http://www.gainesvil...

    practice last season:
    http://www.gainesvil...

    so either they’ve changed the font on the game jersey only, or they used a practice-style nameplate on the media-days jersey. also, Tebow’s red practice jersey doesn’t have a name on it…

  • Berto | September 3, 2009 at 7:00 pm |

    I disagree with a lot of that list. I always liked the old Bucs unis. Same for the Pirates. My dad took me to a Giants game and when he offered to get me a cap I picked the visiting Pirates.

  • anotherguy | September 3, 2009 at 7:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”345915″]
    It’s not so much the colors as the colors combined with Bucco Bruce. As Sam Wyche once said “Who the hell’s going to be scared of a guy with a feather in his hat winking at you?” It *might* have worked if they had brought in the current Jolly Roger & cutlass design and kept the same colors, but I doubt it. There’s just something really washed out looking about the old Tampa colors.[/quote]

    My opinion: the original Bucs colors should have been reversed, make red the primary color (and the color of the numerals on the white jerseys) and while you could have kept the Bucco Bruce, lose him on the helmet.

    The Vikes and Rams (for two examples) don’t use their “official” symbols on their helmets. Neither do the Bears for that matter. So keep Bucco on the letterhead or in the corporate office, and if you want to put the skull-and-crossbones on the helmet, fine.

  • anotherguy | September 3, 2009 at 7:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”345864″]The Raven?[/quote]Nevermore.

  • Oakville Endive | September 3, 2009 at 8:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”345918″][quote comment=”345915″]
    It’s not so much the colors as the colors combined with Bucco Bruce. As Sam Wyche once said “Who the hell’s going to be scared of a guy with a feather in his hat winking at you?” It *might* have worked if they had brought in the current Jolly Roger & cutlass design and kept the same colors, but I doubt it. There’s just something really washed out looking about the old Tampa colors.[/quote]

    My opinion: the original Bucs colors should have been reversed, make red the primary color (and the color of the numerals on the white jerseys) and while you could have kept the Bucco Bruce, lose him on the helmet.

    The Vikes and Rams (for two examples) don’t use their “official” symbols on their helmets. Neither do the Bears for that matter. So keep Bucco on the letterhead or in the corporate office, and if you want to put the skull-and-crossbones on the helmet, fine.[/quote]

    It would have been interesting to see, but I suspect other than the white helmet, it would have looked a lot like the KC Chiefs. Similar to the Houston Oilers, I think the Bucs uniform would have looked better if the red was a darker shade than scarlet.

    One of the problems/issues with any NFL logo that features a human, inevitably that person is depicted as white. In this era of football, where 85% are African American – it does not seem quite right, which is why I suspect new logos stay away from any human depictions. Jax, Carolina, Houston, TBay’s redo. Titans etc

  • Oakville Endive | September 3, 2009 at 8:39 pm |

    It sort of represents the last racial barrier in North American sports, while there are still a lot of white and native Americans featured on logos, has there ever been an African American? Here is a list of logos that feature an individual I can think of

    NFL:
    1. Minnesota
    2. Oakland Raiders
    3.New England
    4. Washington (native American)

    NBA:
    1. Boston
    2.Washington
    3. Golden State – ambiguous

    MLB:
    Pittsburgh
    Cleveland – native American

  • Stuby | September 3, 2009 at 8:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”345920″][quote comment=”345918″][quote comment=”345915″]
    It’s not so much the colors as the colors combined with Bucco Bruce. As Sam Wyche once said “Who the hell’s going to be scared of a guy with a feather in his hat winking at you?” It *might* have worked if they had brought in the current Jolly Roger & cutlass design and kept the same colors, but I doubt it. There’s just something really washed out looking about the old Tampa colors.[/quote]

    My opinion: the original Bucs colors should have been reversed, make red the primary color (and the color of the numerals on the white jerseys) and while you could have kept the Bucco Bruce, lose him on the helmet.

    The Vikes and Rams (for two examples) don’t use their “official” symbols on their helmets. Neither do the Bears for that matter. So keep Bucco on the letterhead or in the corporate office, and if you want to put the skull-and-crossbones on the helmet, fine.[/quote]

    It would have been interesting to see, but I suspect other than the white helmet, it would have looked a lot like the KC Chiefs.

    Similar to the Houston Oilers, I think the Bucs uniform would have looked better if the red was a darker shade than scarlet.

    One of the problems/issues with any NFL logo that features a human,

    inevitably that person is depicted as white.

    In this era of football, where 85% are African American – it does not seem quite right, which is why I suspect new logos stay away from any human depictions.

    Jax, Carolina,

    Houston, TBay’s redo. Titans etc[/quote]

    OK, I’ll take the challenge…

    Teams with current white guy depictions on their helmet: 2 (Raiders, Patriots)

    Teams with other ethnicities on helmet: 1 (Redskins)

    Teams with white guy depiction in logo other than helmet: 1 (Vikings)

    Teams with “Human” team name with no ethnicity represented in logo: 9 (Cowboys, 49ers, Giants, Chiefs, Saints, Buccaneers, Texans, Titans, Packers)

    I don’t know what the hell they are: 1 (Bills)

  • LI Phil | September 3, 2009 at 9:20 pm |

    i think it was marty hicks, but i could be wrong, who wanted me to make an oakland invaders logo that didn’t feature a white guy’s hand

    so it did

    kinda cool, no?

  • LI Phil | September 3, 2009 at 9:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”345922″]I don’t know what the hell they are: 1 (Bills)[/quote]

    they aint human

  • JimV19 | September 3, 2009 at 9:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”345924″][quote comment=”345922″]I don’t know what the hell they are: 1 (Bills)[/quote]

    they aint human[/quote]

    Buffalo Bill Cody was human, and white.

    Your Invaders logo does look cool. And yes, it was Marty who suggested it.

  • Stuby | September 3, 2009 at 9:28 pm |

    I forgot the Browns. The jury’s still out…

    http://mentalfloss.c...

    http://www.sportslog...

  • Oakville Belgium Endive II | September 3, 2009 at 9:36 pm |

    If you go with the theory that sports teams are generally staying away from having a logo that features a human these days – the one recent exception is the Washington Wizards – and that one in particular – unless you perscribe to the theory its suppose to be Merlin the Magician – I think it really should be an African American – who are the Wizards of Basketball – the Harlem Globetrotters. Washington is largely an African American city – and at the end of the day if they had made the logo an African American – would they have really alienated anyone – I don’t think so – other than a fringe – you don’t want as fans anyways.

  • JTH | September 3, 2009 at 10:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”345926″]I forgot the Browns. The jury’s still out…

    http://mentalfloss.c...

    http://www.sportslog...
    Not a human.

    And they’re resplendent repugnant in their brown trousers tonight.

  • JTH | September 3, 2009 at 10:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”345913″][quote comment=”345909″]Or did you mean THIS Pat Patriot?
    http://www.comicartf...
    Damn. Another blocked site.

    Ah, well, I’m out the door soon. I’ll just look at it when I get home.[/quote]
    Yeah. So I checked it out. Now that’s a logo I can really get behind.

    What?

  • Oakville Belgium Endive II | September 3, 2009 at 10:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”345927″]If you go with the theory that sports teams are generally staying away from having a logo that features a human these days – the one recent exception is the Washington Wizards – and that one in particular – unless you perscribe to the theory its suppose to be Merlin the Magician – I think it really should be an African American – who are the Wizards of Basketball – the Harlem Globetrotters. Washington is largely an African American city – and at the end of the day if they had made the logo an African American – would they have really alienated anyone – I don’t think so – other than a fringe – you don’t want as fans anyways.[/quote]

    I have to put an asterix on my comment – a closer look at the Wizards logo, and one can argue they made it somewhat ambiguous.

  • aflfan | September 3, 2009 at 10:18 pm |

    Oregon keep the all white lose the crap on the shoulders.

    Not sure how I feel about the Broncos under the numbers of Boise St.

  • Dan | September 3, 2009 at 10:18 pm |

    Boise State is wearing gray facemasks instead of white. Did anyone know this?

  • LI Phil | September 3, 2009 at 10:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”345926″]I forgot the Browns. The jury’s still out…

    http://mentalfloss.c...

    http://www.sportslog...

    brownie’s a elf, a pixie, a fairy

    your call

  • LI Phil | September 3, 2009 at 10:24 pm |

    ducks look good…of course, considering the opposition

    hey oregon…david wright called…he wants his helmet back

  • aflfan | September 3, 2009 at 10:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”345932″]Boise State is wearing gray facemasks instead of white. Did anyone know this?[/quote]

    No, but then again I just noticed their numbers are gray as well.

  • Dan | September 3, 2009 at 10:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”345935″][quote comment=”345932″]Boise State is wearing gray facemasks instead of white. Did anyone know this?[/quote]

    No, but then again I just noticed their numbers are gray as well.[/quote]

    Me too. When I saw the pics, I thought the numbers were white but were made with a grayish tint to it or with a little shine to them.

  • JTH | September 3, 2009 at 10:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”345933″][quote comment=”345926″]I forgot the Browns. The jury’s still out…

    http://mentalfloss.c...

    http://www.sportslog...

    brownie’s a elf, a pixie, a fairy

    your call[/quote]
    A brownie

  • Oakville Endive | September 3, 2009 at 10:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”345936″][quote comment=”345935″][quote comment=”345932″]Boise State is wearing gray facemasks instead of white. Did anyone know this?[/quote]

    No, but then again I just noticed their numbers are gray as well.[/quote]

    Me too. When I saw the pics, I thought the numbers were white but were made with a grayish tint to it or with a little shine to them.[/quote]

    All in all has there ever been a bigger train wreck in terms of football esthetics than this game.?

  • LI Phil | September 3, 2009 at 10:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”345938″]All in all has there ever been a bigger train wreck in terms of football esthetics than this game.?[/quote]

    apparently you haven’t seen the civil war

  • JTH | September 3, 2009 at 10:50 pm |

    Who says NFL preseason football isn’t worth watching?

    Lou Canellis (sideline reporter): “First thing that comes to mind when I say ‘Packers’?”
    Lance Briggs: “Suck.”

  • Dan | September 3, 2009 at 10:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”345938″][quote comment=”345936″][quote comment=”345935″][quote comment=”345932″]Boise State is wearing gray facemasks instead of white. Did anyone know this?[/quote]

    No, but then again I just noticed their numbers are gray as well.[/quote]

    Me too. When I saw the pics, I thought the numbers were white but were made with a grayish tint to it or with a little shine to them.[/quote]

    All in all has there ever been a bigger train wreck in terms of football esthetics than this game.?[/quote]

    Honestly, Oregon isn’t too bad. I like the wings. But the pants are too plain. They need some stripes or something.Wouldn’t have minded if they had kept the yellow pants. I kind of liked the white helmet, white jersey, yellow pants combo they wore last year.

  • Ricko | September 3, 2009 at 11:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”345938″][quote comment=”345936″][quote comment=”345935″][quote comment=”345932″]Boise State is wearing gray facemasks instead of white. Did anyone know this?[/quote]

    No, but then again I just noticed their numbers are gray as well.[/quote]

    Me too. When I saw the pics, I thought the numbers were white but were made with a grayish tint to it or with a little shine to them.[/quote]

    All in all has there ever been a bigger train wreck in terms of football esthetics than this game.?[/quote]

    Funny cuz, visually speaking it’s kinda dull. All blue and white, including the field, of course. Boise State in their orange pants would help. A lot.

    —Ricko

  • Oakville Endive | September 3, 2009 at 11:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”345942″][quote comment=”345938″][quote comment=”345936″][quote comment=”345935″][quote comment=”345932″]Boise State is wearing gray facemasks instead of white. Did anyone know this?[/quote]

    No, but then again I just noticed their numbers are gray as well.[/quote]

    Me too. When I saw the pics, I thought the numbers were white but were made with a grayish tint to it or with a little shine to them.[/quote]

    All in all has there ever been a bigger train wreck in terms of football esthetics than this game.?[/quote]

    Funny cuz, visually speaking it’s kinda dull. All blue and white, including the field, of course. Boise State in their orange pants would help. A lot.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I know what you’re saying – its like Boise St wearing the equivalent of camouflage.

    I’ve switched over to Central Washington vs. Minn-Duluth.

  • Dan | September 3, 2009 at 11:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”345942″][quote comment=”345938″][quote comment=”345936″][quote comment=”345935″][quote comment=”345932″]Boise State is wearing gray facemasks instead of white. Did anyone know this?[/quote]

    No, but then again I just noticed their numbers are gray as well.[/quote]

    Me too. When I saw the pics, I thought the numbers were white but were made with a grayish tint to it or with a little shine to them.[/quote]

    All in all has there ever been a bigger train wreck in terms of football esthetics than this game.?[/quote]

    Funny cuz, visually speaking it’s kinda dull. All blue and white, including the field, of course. Boise State in their orange pants would help. A lot.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I agree. Orange pants would just look better, even if they weren’t playing on blue turf. I was suprised they didn’t add a orange set.

  • Greg B. | September 4, 2009 at 7:48 pm |

    My screen isn’t bad and neither are my eyes, but for the life of me I cannot see what you guys are talking about with Gary Matthews in either picture. I’m gonna wimp out and suggest that when you have something that subtle, you provide a blowup for people like me.

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