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One Inconsistency Down, a Few Million to Go

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Remember this entry about how the A’s used one logo on their caps and a slightly different one on their helmets? Several readers have noticed that the cap version of the logo, which has slightly more severe angles, now appears to have spread to all of Oakland’s helmets. So yesterday I sent a quick note to A’s equipment manager Steve Vucinich: “Have you made a small adjustment in your batting helmet decals that you’d like to tell me about, hmmm?”

Here’s his response:

You guys are too good! After one of your readers noticed the different logo on Giambi’s helmet, we investigated the situation and found that Rawlings had changed their decal supplier. The new company decided they would make the logos as specified on the official ‘MLB club logo and uniform graphics’ sheet. So we were wrong for the past few years and now stand corrected! We have since replaced all the old/incorrect logos with the right ones.

So now the team’s cap and helmet logos match — all because of Uni Watch. Well done, people.

New ESPN column today (not tomorrow, as I had originally thought). I’m heading to Shea to meet up with Phil for today’s Mets/Cards debacle game, so I won’t be around when the column goes live, but just poke around on Page 2 sometime after 12:30pm or so — shouldn’t be hard to find.

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But meanwhile, here’s a big announcement to ruin your day: Everyone goes on vacation in August, and I’ve decided that Uni Watch needs to get in on that action, especially considering how hectic the spring and summer have been for me and those close to me. So beginning next Thursday, August 13th, this site will go on hiatus for the rest of the month. There will be no new content and no commenting during this period — just a static home page with a “Gone Fishin'” note. We’ll reopen for business on September 1st.

I know this will mess with many people’s daily routines (including mine), but I think that’s a good thing. We could all use a little break, and this is the right time to do it, before football season starts.

I’ll have at least one ESPN column running while the blog is down, probably on August 20th, and will likely have one or two other ESPN items running as well. I’ll link to those from the home page as they come up, so you can check the site from time to time, or you can just sign up for my mailing list, which I use to notify folks when I have new ESPN content.

No need to send Ticker contributions while the site is on hiatus — with one important exception: I am very much in the market for any news regarding new college football uniforms for the upcoming season (esp. for BCS teams) and will happily accept any contributions on that front. Many thanks in advance for any help you all can provide.

And hey, if you spot something so mind-blowing that you just have to share it, go ahead. But honestly, if it’s just a simple “So-and-so’s sleeve patch was missing last night,” save yourself the trouble and go do something fun with your friends or family, or plant something in your garden, or cook something you’ve never made before, or go for a bike ride, or surprise your mom with a phone call. We’ll both be better for it.

Chat Correction: Friday’s web chat on ESPN.com will be at noon (not 1pm, as I had previously indicated). The chat page is here, but please don’t submit any questions until the chat actually starts. Thanks.

Uni Watch News Ticker: The Einsteins in the Mets’ marketing department strike again (with thanks to Tom Mulgrew). … No photo, but a good observation by Robert Gelles, who writes: “Adam LaRoche was with the Red Sox for six days, all home games. Friday night, just a few hours after LaRoche was traded back to the National League, David Ortiz was interviewed re: his steroid issue. In the background, you could see LaRoche’s gray road uni, which he never wore, hanging in his locker.” … Vince found some Indians stirrups on eBay. … Distant Replays founder Andy Hyman interviewed me for his new blog. … Robert Marshall has added some new videos and photos to his bobblehead project. If you want him to make a custom-designed bobblehead for you, get in touch with him here. … Not uni-related, but my buddy Jeff Katz, who happens to be the deputy mayor of Cooperstown and the author of this excellent baseball book, has a great blog project called “Maybe Baby,” which is basically a “What if..?” approach to rock and roll history. Really good stuff — check it out here. … New logo for North Dakota athletics. … What’s that on the official’s cap? It’s a breast cancer awareness logo, which the zebras will wear, along with pink wristbands, for certain games in October (with thanks to Mark E. Kluczynski). … The Titans have been practicing in their Oilers throwback gear (with thanks to Lee Wilds). … It’s a little hard to make out, but this is a Cyrillic NOB. “It’s from CSKA Moscow’s jerseys from Super Series ’86 against the LA Kings,” says Kevin Wright. “As far as I know, this series was the only time the Red Army wore Cyrillic NOBs during a tour against NHL teams. All the other years I’ve seen had names translated to the Latin alphabet or, rarely, NNOB.” … Latest member of Stirrup Nation: Lastings Milledge. “The shoes don’t really go with that look, though,” notes Doug Keklak. Actually, the shoes violate MLB color standards (with thanks to Jerry Wolper). … Bizarre-o soccer kit for Club Tijuana, a team in Mexico’s Liga de Ascenso, or second division (with thanks to Sy Hart). … With the arena league now kaput, Coachie Ballgames has provided a posthumous arena logo roundup. … Mario Carr sent over a bunch of pics from his Little League days. … Small notice on this page about USA Hockey unveiling its jeseys for the 2010 Olympics on August 17th (thanks, Teebz). … “You still see a good number of Aaron Rowand jerseys at White Sox games,” says Scott Schaaf, “but never one quite like this.” … Here’s a very cool slide show full of great historical images of the teams that have graced Dublin’s Croke Park, which is the national stadium for Gaelic football and hurling (Coachie Ballgames again).

 

229 comments to One Inconsistency Down, a Few Million to Go

  • Teebz | August 5, 2009 at 8:21 am |

    No Uni Watch? I’d say that’s a little more major than first thought. LOL

    In all seriousness, you and Phil do amazing work day-in and day-out, so I’m sure a little time off will do wonders.

    Thanks for bringing us important and funny articles each and every day!

  • Rick | August 5, 2009 at 8:32 am |

    Get out there and enjoy life! Yeah!

  • Gemnr | August 5, 2009 at 8:48 am |

    Three versions, eh?

    My guesses are the current white, current blue, and a “throwback” to the 1960 Games (i.e., a copy of the New York Rangers).

  • Cooper's Dad | August 5, 2009 at 8:51 am |

    [quote comment=”343945″]No Uni Watch? I’d say that’s a little more major than first thought. LOL

    In all seriousness, you and Phil do amazing work day-in and day-out, so I’m sure a little time off will do wonders.

    Thanks for bringing us important and funny articles each and every day![/quote]
    I do feel like the joggers following Forrest Gump, however…”What are we supposed to do NOW???”

  • Hank | August 5, 2009 at 8:52 am |

    Closing shop for the month of August (more or less)? What is this, France? Enjoy the time off

  • 5cd9 Dane | August 5, 2009 at 9:01 am |

    Patrolling the left-field foul territory last night at Dodger Stadium: Junior Seau.

    http://losangeles.do...

    You’ll notice when he turns around he has “Junior 55” on his Dodgers jersey. Or as the AP notes phrased it, a “slightly too-tight No. 55 Dodgers uniform.”

  • Mike Hersh | August 5, 2009 at 9:07 am |

    Good to see you’re going on vacation. Shut down the computer and turn off the phone. Enjoy!

  • John C. | August 5, 2009 at 9:07 am |

    Paul, have you ever mentioned the book and Conan appearances before? I don’t remember hearing about them. I would have tuned in to Conan for sure if I had known.

    And about the book– Just ordered it on Amazon. Apparently one copy’s going for around $88 (not the one I bought).

  • dwight | August 5, 2009 at 9:08 am |

    [quote comment=”343948″][quote comment=”343945″]No Uni Watch? I’d say that’s a little more major than first thought. LOL

    In all seriousness, you and Phil do amazing work day-in and day-out, so I’m sure a little time off will do wonders.

    Thanks for bringing us important and funny articles each and every day![/quote]
    I do feel like the joggers following Forrest Gump, however…”What are we supposed to do NOW???”[/quote]

    great analogy! agree completely.

  • gusto | August 5, 2009 at 9:09 am |

    The NFL has made very few mistakes as a league over the decades- from salary cap/revenue sharing to NFL Films – there’s a reason why pro football is our national pastime.
    However, one mistake made was not letting cities keep the old nickname,logo, and history of their teams after relocation(With the exception of the Cleveland Browns)
    Case in point, the Tennessee Toilers, i.e. Titans, a team with a horrible logo, and hideous uniforms, and will always be connected with the Steve McNair fiasco. The NFL should have required Bud Adams to leave the Oilers heritage and logo behind in Houston for the new franchise. It’s silly whenever the new city of a transplanted team tries to associate itself with the tradition of said team. Earl Campbell is connected with Tennessee, as Terry Bradshaw is connected with Utah.
    As wrong as that is, it’s even worse when the new city takes everything, including the nickname and uniforms to the new city. For example, the New Orleans Jazz becoming the Utah Jazz, or the Baltimore Colts becoming the Indianapolis Colts. Looking ahead, it would have been far better to have left everything behind, because the Hornets and Ravens are second class logos and uniforms when compared to the past.

  • Paul Lukas | August 5, 2009 at 9:15 am |

    [quote comment=”343952″]Paul, have you ever mentioned the book and Conan appearances before? I don’t remember hearing about them. I would have tuned in to Conan for sure if I had known.

    And about the book– Just ordered it on Amazon. Apparently one copy’s going for around $88 (not the one I bought).[/quote]

    The book, which came out in 1997, has been mentioned (and linked to) in the FAQ since this site’s inception. The Conan appearances were in ’96 and ’97. I did a fair amount of teevee in those days, including a weekly five-minute spot on the now-defunct CNNfn. None of this had anything to do with uniforms, however.

  • Kek | August 5, 2009 at 9:30 am |

    Paul and Phil: hope you can get out there and enjoy some day baseball today. Have fun with that.

    Also, enjoy the time off. The timing really is great. It’s August and it’s the calm before the storm with football. You guys both do crazy great jobs for this site.

    To my fellow UW posters, take it from a person that put himself in a self-imposed exile from commenting for a few months: this is a good thing. Take some time off, step away from the computer. Trust me, when the site comes back, you’ll have a refreshed attitude and point of view.

    Everyone enjoy the rest of the dog days of summer!!!

  • another Josh | August 5, 2009 at 9:32 am |

    Too bad Lastings Milledge never wore stirrups during his time with the Nationals. Actually, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anyone in the brief history of the current Washington Nationals wear stirrups. I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong.

  • Hott Rodd | August 5, 2009 at 9:33 am |

    I suppose I’ll say it.

    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

    Also I would just like to thank the Mets for allowing the D-Backs to “Meet the Mets, meet the Mets, Step right up and greet the Mets.”

    Lets do it all over again next week shall we?

  • Mike H. | August 5, 2009 at 9:34 am |

    Congrats on the va-ca, on a completely different note, the sponsors on the Tijuana soccer kits is a sports betting spot in Tijuana. I used to go down there and bet when I lived in San Diego.

  • Kek | August 5, 2009 at 9:34 am |

    [quote comment=”343955″][quote comment=”343952″]Paul, have you ever mentioned the book and Conan appearances before? I don’t remember hearing about them. I would have tuned in to Conan for sure if I had known.

    And about the book– Just ordered it on Amazon. Apparently one copy’s going for around $88 (not the one I bought).[/quote]

    The book, which came out in 1997, has been mentioned (and linked to) in the FAQ since this site’s inception. The Conan appearances were in ’96 and ’97. I did a fair amount of teevee in those days, including a weekly five-minute spot on the now-defunct CNNfn. None of this had anything to do with uniforms, however.[/quote]
    CNNfn? I remember that channel. Was it that or CNN International that had that World Sport program. It was a weekly look at things around the world, I liked it because they covered things like cricket, rugby, rally racing, etc. Stuff that really isn’t on the map here in the states.

    When Fox Soccer Channel was still Fox Sports World they used to show cricket, aussie rules and rugby from time to time. Unfortunately the all-soccer format dominates. Occasionally the other sports get some play on Sky Sports but that’s mostly soccer too.

    I’m not anti-soccer, but I’d like to have a more balanced docket of world sport.

    Allegedly, the Comcast channel is supposed to have rugby, aussie rules and CFL games but everytime I tune in, it’s religious programming.

  • Paul Lukas | August 5, 2009 at 9:34 am |

    [quote comment=”343957″]Too bad Lastings Milledge never wore stirrups during his time with the Nationals. Actually, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anyone in the brief history of the current Washington Nationals wear stirrups. I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong.[/quote]

    Nyjer Morgan, right now.

  • leon | August 5, 2009 at 9:36 am |

    Re: NFL team names & relos

    I felt that Tennessee missed a great opportunity when it came to naming their team. They recycled an old name from AFL days, Titans, which worked great in NY as a counter point to the Giants.(Never understood that Jets changeover). I was holding out for “Studs”. Great song, great shoe manufacturer, great nickname! Imagine the logo possibilities, instead of that thing they have now. But nobody asked me.

  • Jeremy Brahm | August 5, 2009 at 9:38 am |

    [quote comment=”343960″][quote comment=”343955″][quote comment=”343952″]Paul, have you ever mentioned the book and Conan appearances before? I don’t remember hearing about them. I would have tuned in to Conan for sure if I had known.

    And about the book– Just ordered it on Amazon. Apparently one copy’s going for around $88 (not the one I bought).[/quote]

    The book, which came out in 1997, has been mentioned (and linked to) in the FAQ since this site’s inception. The Conan appearances were in ’96 and ’97. I did a fair amount of teevee in those days, including a weekly five-minute spot on the now-defunct CNNfn. None of this had anything to do with uniforms, however.[/quote]
    CNNfn? I remember that channel. Was it that or CNN International that had that World Sport program. It was a weekly look at things around the world, I liked it because they covered things like cricket, rugby, rally racing, etc. Stuff that really isn’t on the map here in the states.

    When Fox Soccer Channel was still Fox Sports World they used to show cricket, aussie rules and rugby from time to time. Unfortunately the all-soccer format dominates. Occasionally the other sports get some play on Sky Sports but that’s mostly soccer too.

    I’m not anti-soccer, but I’d like to have a more balanced docket of world sport.

    Allegedly, the Comcast channel is supposed to have rugby, aussie rules and CFL games but everytime I tune in, it’s religious programming.[/quote]

    Kek,

    The only place that offers all of these sports in the US/North America is Setanta Sports. Actually the World Rally Championship used to be on Speed, but sadly they priced themselves out of the market in the US. These cars are closer to stock than NASCAR and they run on regular roads, which is why it is so popular in Europe.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 9:42 am |

    [quote comment=”343962″]Re: NFL team names & relos

    I felt that Tennessee missed a great opportunity when it came to naming their team. They recycled an old name from AFL days, Titans, which worked great in NY as a counter point to the Giants.(Never understood that Jets changeover). I was holding out for “Studs”. Great song, great shoe manufacturer, great nickname! Imagine the logo possibilities, instead of that thing they have now. But nobody asked me.[/quote]

    Thought “Tennessee Rifles” would have been a good one…taking inspiration from U of Tennessee logo and being something of a spin on Volunteers.
    http://media.photobu...

    —Ricko

  • leon | August 5, 2009 at 9:46 am |

    Thought “Tennessee Rifles” would have been a good one…taking inspiration from U of Tennessee logo and being something of a spin on Volunteers.
    http://media.photobu

    —Ricko

    Might have been too PinC. After all, they took away my Bullets.

  • DJ | August 5, 2009 at 9:46 am |

    My guesses are the current white, current blue, and a “throwback” to the 1960 Games (i.e., a copy of the New York Rangers).

    Not quite, as the sweaters won’t have the logo that the US has worn in recent years:

    http://www.sportslog...

    As we recall from the Beijing Olympics, the IOC is cracking down on teams using the logos of their national sports federations (such as in soccer, and hockey). They are extending it to the Winter Games, forcing Canada to come up with a new logo for their Olympic sweaters.

  • aflfan | August 5, 2009 at 9:51 am |

    [quote comment=”343965″]Thought “Tennessee Rifles” would have been a good one…taking inspiration from U of Tennessee logo and being something of a spin on Volunteers.
    http://media.photobu

    —Ricko

    Might have been too PinC. After all, they took away my Bullets.[/quote]

    How about the Inbreds, then?

  • CJ | August 5, 2009 at 9:51 am |

    [quote comment=”343960″]Allegedly, the Comcast channel is supposed to have rugby, aussie rules and CFL games but everytime I tune in, it’s religious programming.[/quote]

    I have watched some Aussie rules on Comcast, I can confirm its existence. However, I have no idea of the programming schedule or if the game was even recent. Nice to learn a new sport though.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2009 at 9:52 am |

    [quote]Paul and Phil: hope you can get out there and enjoy some day baseball today. Have fun with that.[/quote]

    as long as sean green doesn’t get into the game we will

    92 degrees and sunny…couldn’t ask for a better day to play hookey from work and take in a game!

    [quote]Also, enjoy the time off. The timing really is great. It’s August and it’s the calm before the storm with football. You guys both do crazy great jobs for this site.[/quote]

    thanks doug…paul does all the heavy lifting around here, but i can’t say i can argue with the decision…good time to recharge the batteries and such…

    should i wear a blue polo and a bosox cap today, or just stick with the ICIS t-shirt?

  • Kek | August 5, 2009 at 9:52 am |

    [quote comment=”343963″][quote comment=”343960″][quote comment=”343955″][quote comment=”343952″]Paul, have you ever mentioned the book and Conan appearances before? I don’t remember hearing about them. I would have tuned in to Conan for sure if I had known.

    And about the book– Just ordered it on Amazon. Apparently one copy’s going for around $88 (not the one I bought).[/quote]

    The book, which came out in 1997, has been mentioned (and linked to) in the FAQ since this site’s inception. The Conan appearances were in ’96 and ’97. I did a fair amount of teevee in those days, including a weekly five-minute spot on the now-defunct CNNfn. None of this had anything to do with uniforms, however.[/quote]
    CNNfn? I remember that channel. Was it that or CNN International that had that World Sport program. It was a weekly look at things around the world, I liked it because they covered things like cricket, rugby, rally racing, etc. Stuff that really isn’t on the map here in the states.

    When Fox Soccer Channel was still Fox Sports World they used to show cricket, aussie rules and rugby from time to time. Unfortunately the all-soccer format dominates. Occasionally the other sports get some play on Sky Sports but that’s mostly soccer too.

    I’m not anti-soccer, but I’d like to have a more balanced docket of world sport.

    Allegedly, the Comcast channel is supposed to have rugby, aussie rules and CFL games but everytime I tune in, it’s religious programming.[/quote]

    Kek,

    The only place that offers all of these sports in the US/North America is Setanta Sports. Actually the World Rally Championship used to be on Speed, but sadly they priced themselves out of the market in the US. These cars are closer to stock than NASCAR and they run on regular roads, which is why it is so popular in Europe.[/quote]
    Thanks Jeremy. Regarding Rally, which I LOVE (pure driving), it was recently announced that it will be back on the air in the states on a Discovery Channel owned HD channel (Theater I believe).

    There is a show on SPEED called The Grid and they do a great weekly roundup of all things motorsports. Normally heavy on Rally and World Touring Cars (pretty much rally cars on pavement racing on road courses) because it’s a British show.

  • Kek | August 5, 2009 at 9:55 am |

    [quote comment=”343970″][quote]Paul and Phil: hope you can get out there and enjoy some day baseball today. Have fun with that.[/quote]

    as long as sean green doesn’t get into the game we will

    92 degrees and sunny…couldn’t ask for a better day to play hookey from work and take in a game!

    [quote]Also, enjoy the time off. The timing really is great. It’s August and it’s the calm before the storm with football. You guys both do crazy great jobs for this site.[/quote]

    thanks doug…paul does all the heavy lifting around here, but i can’t say i can argue with the decision…good time to recharge the batteries and such…

    should i wear a blue polo and a bosox cap today, or just stick with the ICIS t-shirt?[/quote]
    Red Sox hat!!!! (Just kidding of course)

    Phil, are you going to run an updated uni-tracking piece before the hiatus?

  • Lou | August 5, 2009 at 9:55 am |

    Wow, no Uniwatch for 3 weeks?!
    I don’t know Paul, it really is not all that musch an imposition on my time to read the blog…I use it as a coffee break.
    Enjoy the break, but I will most definitely miss it. I guess it will be back to the Creamer boards temporarily.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2009 at 9:59 am |

    [quote]Phil, are you going to run an updated uni-tracking piece before the hiatus?[/quote]

    yup…this weekend…(got yours yesterday, and thanks)

    guess that’ll the the penultimate and ultimate columns (from me) before the break…so everyone who’s tracking — if you haven’t sent in your updated sheets yet, please try to get them in to me by Friday

    thanks

  • M.Princip | August 5, 2009 at 10:02 am |

    I really sounded a bit harsh here(Good riddance!), in regards to the AFL and it’s demise. Just want to elaborate a bit, since, I didn’t get the chance to respond yesterday, for anyone who cares.

    I simply felt the game, and how it(the rules) were altered, depreciated the sport and really dumbed it down by way of excessive offensive scoring, indoor padded surfacing, and most importantly grotesque(most, not all) team uniforms. Everytime I attempted to watch a game I just couldn’t help but laugh and feel disconcerted. Sort of reminded me of Ben Stiller’s Dodgeball, or, American Gladiator reruns………….or, the way say a Nickelback song makes me feel;i.e. mentally and audibly violated.

    So, I raise my coffee cup, to all of those who made a living in the AFL, in hopes that they find real jobs fufilling and respectful with something more original, cerebral, and unmolested.

  • gusto | August 5, 2009 at 10:04 am |

    [quote comment=”343965″]Thought “Tennessee Rifles” would have been a good one…taking inspiration from U of Tennessee logo and being something of a spin on Volunteers.
    http://media.photobu

    —Ricko

    Might have been too PinC. After all, they took away my Bullets.[/quote]

    You’re right, I like your idea better than recycling the old Titans name, but the PC police would have a field day. Bullets is still a great nickname, glad that Gettysburg College still uses it. I always loved those old Washington Bullet uniforms, too.

  • leon | August 5, 2009 at 10:09 am |

    Bullets is still a great nickname, glad that Gettysburg College still uses it.

    They use “Bullets” as their nickname?! I never knew that. Thought they would have used something more appropriate, like “Human Cannon-Fodder”, or “Suicidal Maniacs”. Guess “Kamekazis” is too ethnic.

  • TC Lofton | August 5, 2009 at 10:11 am |

    Paul, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

    I have to get a site up and running by August 26th, I’ve already missed a deadline, and I’m dying. While missing UniWatch will make me a Sad Panda, there’s now a good chance that I will get more actual work done. You are a Godsend. Enjoy the vacation!

  • TC Lofton | August 5, 2009 at 10:13 am |

    [quote comment=\”343978\”]Paul, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

    I have to get a site up and running by August 26th, I\’ve already missed a deadline, and I\’m dying. While missing UniWatch will make me a Sad Panda, there\’s now a good chance that I will get more actual work done. You are a Godsend. Enjoy the vacation![/quote]

    Oops, that should have said TRYING to find a way to get stuff finished.

  • Matt O'Bryant | August 5, 2009 at 10:16 am |

    Hey just so you know Paul, you were getting some love on the straightcashhomey site today’s in the comments for todays post.

    http://straightcashh...

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2009 at 10:20 am |

    [quote]Titans, which worked great in NY as a counter point to the Giants.(Never understood that Jets changeover).[/quote]

    might have had something to do with rhymes with “mets” (insert eyeroll), proximity to la guardia airport and the emerging new form of jet travel, new modern stadium

    that sort of thing

    /when the aba’s new jersey americans moved to long island in 1968 to become the nets the “_ets” phemenon took off for a few years — we had a professional WTA (or WTT, ricko can confirm) team called the “sets” for a time as well…ugh

  • diz | August 5, 2009 at 10:28 am |

    So does that mean if one of the local teams gets into financial trouble, they’d become the De[b]ts? Or has that one been done before?

  • Will L. | August 5, 2009 at 10:28 am |

    [quote comment=”343961″][quote comment=”343957″]Too bad Lastings Milledge never wore stirrups during his time with the Nationals. Actually, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anyone in the brief history of the current Washington Nationals wear stirrups. I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong.[/quote]

    Nyjer Morgan, right now.[/quote]

    Yep, check it out: 5th picture in this Nationals Photo Gallery

  • Paul Lukas | August 5, 2009 at 10:29 am |

    Almost time for me to head to Shea and today’s ESPN column isn’t ready to go yet. Just poke around on Page 2 later today — you should find it without too much trouble.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 10:33 am |

    [quote comment=”343981″][quote]Titans, which worked great in NY as a counter point to the Giants.(Never understood that Jets changeover).[/quote]

    might have had something to do with rhymes with “mets” (insert eyeroll), proximity to la guardia airport and the emerging new form of jet travel, new modern stadium

    that sort of thing

    /when the aba’s new jersey americans moved to long island in 1968 to become the nets the “_ets” phemenon took off for a few years — we had a professional WTA (or WTT, ricko can confirm) team called the “sets” for a time as well…ugh[/quote]

    Absolutely on the LaGuardia reference, and they’d be sharing brand-new Shea with “Mets”, too. That’s why “Jets”, in particular. In general, the name change was because Werbelin and Co. wanted to disassociate themselves from the under-capitalized, often ridiculed Titans of Harry Wismer. New broom sweeps clean and all that.

    And, yes, first WTT NY franchise was the “Sets.” Owned by Jerry Saperstein, son of Abe (Globetrotters).

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 10:36 am |

    Although Nets did come along before Sets in the ‘ets litany.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 10:37 am |

    as was noted.

  • Dane | August 5, 2009 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment=”343975″]I really sounded a bit harsh here(Good riddance!), in regards to the AFL and it’s demise. Just want to elaborate a bit, since, I didn’t get the chance to respond yesterday, for anyone who cares.

    I simply felt the game, and how it(the rules) were altered, depreciated the sport and really dumbed it down by way of excessive offensive scoring, indoor padded surfacing, and most importantly grotesque(most, not all) team uniforms. Everytime I attempted to watch a game I just couldn’t help but laugh and feel disconcerted. Sort of reminded me of Ben Stiller’s Dodgeball, or, American Gladiator reruns………….or, the way say a Nickelback song makes me feel;i.e. mentally and audibly violated.

    So, I raise my coffee cup, to all of those who made a living in the AFL, in hopes that they find real jobs fufilling and respectful with something more original, cerebral, and unmolested.[/quote]

    I was at ArenaBowl I, and I am saddened by the league’s demise.

  • gusto | August 5, 2009 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment=”343986″][quote comment=”343981″][quote]Titans, which worked great in NY as a counter point to the Giants.(Never understood that Jets changeover).[/quote]

    might have had something to do with rhymes with “mets” (insert eyeroll), proximity to la guardia airport and the emerging new form of jet travel, new modern stadium

    that sort of thing

    /when the aba’s new jersey americans moved to long island in 1968 to become the nets the “_ets” phemenon took off for a few years — we had a professional WTA (or WTT, ricko can confirm) team called the “sets” for a time as well…ugh[/quote]

    Absolutely on the LaGuardia reference, and they’d be sharing brand-new Shea with “Mets”, too. That’s why “Jets”, in particular. In general, the name change was because Werbelin and Co. wanted to disassociate themselves from the under-capitalized, often ridiculed Titans of Harry Wismer. New broom sweeps clean and all that.

    And, yes, first WTT NY franchise was the “Sets.” Owned by Jerry Saperstein, son of Abe (Globetrotters).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I wonder if this site has ever done anything with World Team Tennis logos, I remember the old Pittsburgh Triangles, think they won a title in the mid 70s. The new World Team Tennis has one team with a cool name and logo, the Springfield Lasers.

  • Giancarlo | August 5, 2009 at 10:39 am |

    Just out of curiosity, Paul, do you have any favorite sites that you like to kick around in which you might recommend to folks going through Uni Watch withdrawals or who just want to get obsessive about something different? It’s fun to discover such sites on one’s own, but you clearly have a rare feel for underappreciated marginalia so I thought this might be a nice thing to share with us. I know you do point us to great sites every day in the ticker but I’d like to see a little roll call of your faves.

  • M.Princip | August 5, 2009 at 10:41 am |

    I know the Titans went with the blue Oilers helmet in order to stick with the blue of which the Titans wear, however, that silver helmet they wore, back in the day, would have been something really unique to see. Was there any other reason why they didn’t go with this look?

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2009 at 10:47 am |

    aight evvybody…off to shea

    have a great day

  • gusto | August 5, 2009 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment=”343992″]I know the Titans went with the blue Oilers helmet in order to stick with the blue of which the Titans wear, however, that silver helmet they wore, back in the day, would have been something really unique to see. Was there any other reason why they didn’t go with this look?[/quote]

    My guess is the Toilers went with the blue helmets, because they wore those most of the years Houston was in the AFL. During the 1994 throwback year, Houston wore those same old blue helmets with the white derrick for a couple of games.

  • mtjaws | August 5, 2009 at 10:55 am |

    Nice to see Unireaders get the A’s corrected. Good work.

    In watching the Marlins choke game last night, I noticed that with the addition of Nick Johnson, neither he nor Josh Johnson are wearing a first initial.

    I’ll certainly miss Uniwatch during the vacation, but the timing is perfect, and we will all be fine. And even though we know it’ll be idle, I bet we all still check it every day, just in case!

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 10:59 am |

    Oh, great, UniWatch will be closed on my birthday.
    Just as well, I suppose. I’m way too young to be this old.
    (And we won’t have to read all the “old” jokes, either).

    —Ricko

  • Noelski y que! | August 5, 2009 at 11:02 am |

    ….i miss the old a’s helmet already

  • anotherguy | August 5, 2009 at 11:03 am |

    [quote comment=”343993″]aight evvybody…off to shea
    [/quote]
    Seriously, I love it. Understated, yet the true belivers know exactly what he’s saying. Good job Phil.

    (FWLIW, I’m off to Comiskey myself later today.)

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 11:03 am |

    [quote comment=”343994″][quote comment=”343992″]I know the Titans went with the blue Oilers helmet in order to stick with the blue of which the Titans wear, however, that silver helmet they wore, back in the day, would have been something really unique to see. Was there any other reason why they didn’t go with this look?[/quote]

    My guess is the Toilers went with the blue helmets, because they wore those most of the years Houston was in the AFL. During the 1994 throwback year, Houston wore those same old blue helmets with the white derrick for a couple of games.[/quote]

    Simple reason. They were throwing back to the original Houston Oilers, who played in the first two AFL Championship Games…and those teams wore powder blue helmets.

    —Ricko

  • aflfan | August 5, 2009 at 11:04 am |

    [quote comment=”343989″][quote comment=”343975″]I really sounded a bit harsh here(Good riddance!), in regards to the AFL and it’s demise. Just want to elaborate a bit, since, I didn’t get the chance to respond yesterday, for anyone who cares.

    I simply felt the game, and how it(the rules) were altered, depreciated the sport and really dumbed it down by way of excessive offensive scoring, indoor padded surfacing, and most importantly grotesque(most, not all) team uniforms. Everytime I attempted to watch a game I just couldn’t help but laugh and feel disconcerted. Sort of reminded me of Ben Stiller’s Dodgeball, or, American Gladiator reruns………….or, the way say a Nickelback song makes me feel;i.e. mentally and audibly violated.

    So, I raise my coffee cup, to all of those who made a living in the AFL, in hopes that they find real jobs fufilling and respectful with something more original, cerebral, and unmolested.[/quote]

    I was at ArenaBowl I, and I am saddened by the league’s demise.[/quote]

    I was at four Arena Bowls and saw over 40 games in person. I agree with you on being saddened by the league’s demise. It was a fun, family friendly and inexpensive to go to.

  • anotherguy | August 5, 2009 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”343983″]…they’d become the De[b]ts? Or has that one been done before?[/quote]
    The Sets could have easily been the Lets, couldn’t they?

    “Let’s Go Lets!”

    I suppose there’s another word that ends with that “et” sound that we’re all ignoring…

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment=”344000″][quote comment=”343989″][quote comment=”343975″]I really sounded a bit harsh here(Good riddance!), in regards to the AFL and it’s demise. Just want to elaborate a bit, since, I didn’t get the chance to respond yesterday, for anyone who cares.

    I simply felt the game, and how it(the rules) were altered, depreciated the sport and really dumbed it down by way of excessive offensive scoring, indoor padded surfacing, and most importantly grotesque(most, not all) team uniforms. Everytime I attempted to watch a game I just couldn’t help but laugh and feel disconcerted. Sort of reminded me of Ben Stiller’s Dodgeball, or, American Gladiator reruns………….or, the way say a Nickelback song makes me feel;i.e. mentally and audibly violated.

    So, I raise my coffee cup, to all of those who made a living in the AFL, in hopes that they find real jobs fufilling and respectful with something more original, cerebral, and unmolested.[/quote]

    I was at ArenaBowl I, and I am saddened by the league’s demise.[/quote]

    I was at four Arena Bowls and saw over 40 games in person. I agree with you on being saddened by the league’s demise. It was a fun, family friendly and inexpensive to go to.[/quote]

    Yeah, purists didn’t like it, I suppose. But, absent regular football, it was a nice “live football fix” of a sort for a couple hours a week (meaning catching games on TV). Now we’ll have to be content with “Big Ten’s Greatest Games” and such, usually from way back to last fall.

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | August 5, 2009 at 11:10 am |

    [quote comment=”343983″]So does that mean if one of the local teams gets into financial trouble, they’d become the De[b]ts? Or has that one been done before?[/quote]

    I believe all of Wall Street earned the team name of “Debts”.

  • Dane | August 5, 2009 at 11:13 am |

    [quote comment=”344002″][quote comment=”344000″][quote comment=”343989″]I was at ArenaBowl I, and I am saddened by the league’s demise.[/quote]

    I was at four Arena Bowls and saw over 40 games in person. I agree with you on being saddened by the league’s demise. It was a fun, family friendly and inexpensive to go to.[/quote]

    Yeah, purists didn’t like it, I suppose. But, absent regular football, it was a nice “live football fix” of a sort for a couple hours a week (meaning catching games on TV). Now we’ll have to be content with “Big Ten’s Greatest Games” and such, usually from way back to last fall.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I will always remember the PA announcements at Arizona Rattlers games:
    “Remember, fans, if the ball enters the stands, it’s yours to keep! If a player enters the stands… please return him.”

  • gusto | August 5, 2009 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment=”344001″][quote comment=”343983″]…they’d become the De[b]ts? Or has that one been done before?[/quote]
    The Sets could have easily been the Lets, couldn’t they?

    “Let’s Go Lets!”

    I suppose there’s another word that ends with that “et” sound that we’re all ignoring…[/quote]

    Did some quick research on the 1970s World Team Tennis, here were some of the franchises:

    Boston Lobsters
    Chicago Aces
    Cleveland Nets
    Phoenix Racquets
    Indiana Loves
    Seattle Cascades
    LA Strings
    NY Sets
    Philadelphia Freedoms
    Pittsburgh Triangles
    San Diego Friars
    Anaheim Oranges

    Overall, not a bad group of nicknames, except for Indiana.

  • anotherguy | August 5, 2009 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”343954″]…The NFL should have required Bud Adams to leave the Oilers heritage and logo behind in Houston for the new franchise. It’s silly whenever the new city of a transplanted team tries to associate itself with the tradition of said team.[/quote]

    [quote comment=”343954″]…or the Baltimore Colts becoming the Indianapolis Colts…[/quote]I couldn’t agree more.

    Leave the Oilers, Colts, etc. where they started. (I personally would add in the Cardinals and Rams, but for right now I’ll just go with those first two.) The NFL knew they would be going back to Baltimore and Cleveland: those fans did nothing wrong. Why deprive them?

    I’ve long been of the mindset that the team nicknames should be placed under the legal authority of NFL Properties.

    With all due respect to Indy, let them find a new name or use a name out of their past, a la the Cincinnati Bengals.

    Above and beyond that, names like the Jazz and Lakers (and for that matter, the Phoenix Cardinals) are kind of silly on their face.

  • Brian Erni | August 5, 2009 at 11:15 am |

    Milledge has worn stirrups before. Paul, I think you even covered this. Back in ’07 with the Mets inspired by the look of the bat boy that you interviewed, Milledge donned some stirrups for a few games.

  • anotherguy | August 5, 2009 at 11:17 am |

    [quote comment=”344005″]San Diego Friars
    [/quote]
    Well, that’s a good one. Plays off the long held nickname.

  • gusto | August 5, 2009 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment=”344004″][quote comment=”344002″][quote comment=”344000″][quote comment=”343989″]I was at ArenaBowl I, and I am saddened by the league’s demise.[/quote]

    I was at four Arena Bowls and saw over 40 games in person. I agree with you on being saddened by the league’s demise. It was a fun, family friendly and inexpensive to go to.[/quote]

    Yeah, purists didn’t like it, I suppose. But, absent regular football, it was a nice “live football fix” of a sort for a couple hours a week (meaning catching games on TV). Now we’ll have to be content with “Big Ten’s Greatest Games” and such, usually from way back to last fall.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I will always remember the PA announcements at Arizona Rattlers games:
    “Remember, fans, if the ball enters the stands, it’s yours to keep! If a player enters the stands… please return him.”[/quote]

    I remember the Miami Hooters(yes, they were owned by the restaurant), along with the Minnesota Fighting Pike, as two of many of the failed franchises in the AFL. However, the league did have some strong franchises, like Arizona, and Tampa Bay. There’s talk the owners of the stronger franchises may merge with AFL 2 to continue operations.
    The AFL was like hockey, in that it didn’t always translate well on TV, it was much more entertaining in person.

  • PaulS | August 5, 2009 at 11:24 am |

    If you look at the A’s helmets with the different logo, isn’t that one more like the original Philadelphia A’s caps?

  • Oakville Belgium Endive II | August 5, 2009 at 11:25 am |

    Being a CFL fan, and seeing the AFL as competition for talent, I wasn’t that sad to see its demise. I’m also a hockey fan; although, not always thrilled by the way the NHL is run; was always somewhat embarassed by television rating comparisons between the NHL and the AFL. However, I’m not sure arena football is really dead, as AFL2 is still healthy, and I suspect will take in the healthy remenants of the AFL.

    In terms of uniform inconsistencies, what are the other major inconsistencies ? My initial thinking is with colour shades? Is there a top 10 here? Or has it already been done?

    Have a great and much deserved summer vacation Paul and Phil.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”344005″][quote comment=”344001″][quote comment=”343983″]…they’d become the De[b]ts? Or has that one been done before?[/quote]
    The Sets could have easily been the Lets, couldn’t they?

    “Let’s Go Lets!”

    I suppose there’s another word that ends with that “et” sound that we’re all ignoring…[/quote]

    Did some quick research on the 1970s World Team Tennis, here were some of the franchises:

    Boston Lobsters
    Chicago Aces
    Cleveland Nets
    Phoenix Racquets
    Indiana Loves
    Seattle Cascades
    LA Strings
    NY Sets
    Philadelphia Freedoms
    Pittsburgh Triangles
    San Diego Friars
    Anaheim Oranges

    Overall, not a bad group of nicknames, except for Indiana.[/quote]

    Add (I’m talking first year now, 1974)…
    Florida Flamingos
    Houston EZ Riders
    Golden Gaters (originally were gonna be Golden Gate OTTers, for “Organized Team Tennis”)
    Minnesota Buckskins
    Detroit Loves
    Denver Racquets
    Toronto-Buffalo Royals

    From the first list, Phoenix, Indiana, Seattle, San Diego and Anaheim came along later. The rest were first-year franchises.

    —Ricko

  • Oakville Belgium Endive II | August 5, 2009 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”344006″][quote comment=”343954″]…The NFL should have required Bud Adams to leave the Oilers heritage and logo behind in Houston for the new franchise. It’s silly whenever the new city of a transplanted team tries to associate itself with the tradition of said team.[/quote]

    [quote comment=”343954″]…or the Baltimore Colts becoming the Indianapolis Colts…[/quote]I couldn’t agree more.

    Leave the Oilers, Colts, etc. where they started. (I personally would add in the Cardinals and Rams, but for right now I’ll just go with those first two.) The NFL knew they would be going back to Baltimore and Cleveland: those fans did nothing wrong. Why deprive them?

    I’ve long been of the mindset that the team nicknames should be placed under the legal authority of NFL Properties.

    With all due respect to Indy, let them find a new name or use a name out of their past, a la the Cincinnati Bengals.

    Above and beyond that, names like the Jazz and Lakers (and for that matter, the Phoenix Cardinals) are kind of silly on their face.[/quote]

    100% agree, the league finally got it right, when the Browns name was left in Cleveland. It should be in the league by-laws that if an owner moves his franchise – he’s required to adopt a new name and colours and new team records. This should be applied to all major team sports.

  • aflfan | August 5, 2009 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”344009″][quote comment=”344004″][quote comment=”344002″][quote comment=”344000″][quote comment=”343989″]I was at ArenaBowl I, and I am saddened by the league’s demise.[/quote]

    I was at four Arena Bowls and saw over 40 games in person. I agree with you on being saddened by the league’s demise. It was a fun, family friendly and inexpensive to go to.[/quote]

    Yeah, purists didn’t like it, I suppose. But, absent regular football, it was a nice “live football fix” of a sort for a couple hours a week (meaning catching games on TV). Now we’ll have to be content with “Big Ten’s Greatest Games” and such, usually from way back to last fall.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I will always remember the PA announcements at Arizona Rattlers games:
    “Remember, fans, if the ball enters the stands, it’s yours to keep! If a player enters the stands… please return him.”[/quote]

    I remember the Miami Hooters(yes, they were owned by the restaurant), along with the Minnesota Fighting Pike, as two of many of the failed franchises in the AFL. However, the league did have some strong franchises, like Arizona, and Tampa Bay. There’s talk the owners of the stronger franchises may merge with AFL 2 to continue operations.
    The AFL was like hockey, in that it didn’t always translate well on TV, it was much more entertaining in person.[/quote]

    It was great in person. I always got to the Detroit Fury games for the warmups and I had front row seats. One game, my friend and I were sitting in our seats and the Head Coach Al Lugenbill strolled over to the wall in front of me and started talking to me about the team and stuff. We talked for about 5 minutes and he thanked me for coming and walked away. My friend turns to me and asks if I had every met him before and I said no. That is what was great about Arena Football, the players and coaches interacted with the fans on a personal basis.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 11:31 am |

    And, yes, Elton John wrote “Philadelphia Freedom” because of that team. He and Billie Jean were good friends.

    —Ricko

  • Seth H | August 5, 2009 at 11:38 am |

    “Overall, not a bad group of nicknames, except for Indiana.”

    The nickname actually makes sense if you put yourself back in the time when it was coined.

    I am sure that you have seen the ubiquitous “LOVE” poster/statue/stamp/etc. with “LO” on top, “VE” on the bottom, and a slight tilt to the “O.”

    The name of the artist? Robert INDIANA.

    Add the tennis meaning of “love” and you can understand why the team had the name.

    Here’s a link to the original statue: http://www.artcyclop...

  • leon | August 5, 2009 at 11:41 am |

    Leave the Oilers, Colts, etc. where they started.

    As an impressionable youth, I risked permanent scarring by the schizophrenia associated with the records of the Senators/Twins and “Expansion” Senators. How could I love my new stepdads trying to relace Harmon, Bob Allison, Jim Lemon, Pedro Ramos, et al? A clean break would have been preferable to being constantly reminded of the their new trophy-wife in Minnesota. What’s that? Texas Rangers? Montreal Expos?

  • nettles | August 5, 2009 at 11:48 am |

    So beginning next Thursday, August 13th, this site will go on hiatus for the rest of the month. There will be no new content and no commenting during this period — just a static home page with a “Gone Fishin’” note. We’ll reopen for business on September 1st.

    Kinda like cutting off my air supply, Paul. But that’s OK…have a good time while I suffer through “Uni Watch withdrawals.” :)

  • Berto | August 5, 2009 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”343960″][quote comment=”343955″][quote comment=”343952″]Paul, have you ever mentioned the book and Conan appearances before? I don’t remember hearing about them. I would have tuned in to Conan for sure if I had known.

    And about the book– Just ordered it on Amazon. Apparently one copy’s going for around $88 (not the one I bought).[/quote]

    The book, which came out in 1997, has been mentioned (and linked to) in the FAQ since this site’s inception. The Conan appearances were in ’96 and ’97. I did a fair amount of teevee in those days, including a weekly five-minute spot on the now-defunct CNNfn. None of this had anything to do with uniforms, however.[/quote]
    CNNfn? I remember that channel. Was it that or CNN International that had that World Sport program. It was a weekly look at things around the world, I liked it because they covered things like cricket, rugby, rally racing, etc. Stuff that really isn’t on the map here in the states.

    When Fox Soccer Channel was still Fox Sports World they used to show cricket, aussie rules and rugby from time to time. Unfortunately the all-soccer format dominates. Occasionally the other sports get some play on Sky Sports but that’s mostly soccer too.

    I’m not anti-soccer, but I’d like to have a more balanced docket of world sport.

    Allegedly, the Comcast channel is supposed to have rugby, aussie rules and CFL games but everytime I tune in, it’s religious programming.[/quote]

    When I was in my early 20s the Fox sports channel used to show rugby in between the end of the Sunday afternoon NFL game and Sunday Night football. It was like heaven. No break in the action.

    If you want more variety try Setanta.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 11:51 am |

    [quote comment=”344017″]Leave the Oilers, Colts, etc. where they started.

    As an impressionable youth, I risked permanent scarring by the schizophrenia associated with the records of the Senators/Twins and “Expansion” Senators. How could I love my new stepdads trying to relace Harmon, Bob Allison, Jim Lemon, Pedro Ramos, et al? A clean break would have been preferable to being constantly reminded of the their new trophy-wife in Minnesota. What’s that? Texas Rangers? Montreal Expos?[/quote]

    Washington got that expansion team in ’61 chiefly so MLB could keep Congress off its back and hold onto its anti-trust exemption. Trying to create the illusion (flim-flam?) that the Senators never left town was part of that, I’d say.

    —Ricko

  • leon | August 5, 2009 at 11:52 am |

    I nominate “underappreciated marginalia” for phrase of the day!

  • anotherguy | August 5, 2009 at 11:54 am |

    [quote comment=”344013″]This should be applied to all major team sports.[/quote]

    Yes! I said “NFL Properties” but it should go equally for MLB, the NBA and Soccer.

    Oh, okay: the NHL too.

    ;-)

  • leon | August 5, 2009 at 12:02 pm |

    Washington got that expansion team in ‘61 chiefly so MLB could keep Congress off its back and hold onto its anti-trust exemption.

    Guess Congress didn’t care when MLB let Bob Short move them to Texas. (trying not to sound bitter)

  • leon | August 5, 2009 at 12:14 pm |

    Re: World Team Tennis names

    I am heartened that Philadelphia is called “Freedoms” the plural form and not “Freedom”. Don’t like singular names:
    Fire
    Avalanche
    Lightning
    Hurricane
    Tide
    Wave
    Sun

    Bleck!

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 12:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”344023″]Washington got that expansion team in ‘61 chiefly so MLB could keep Congress off its back and hold onto its anti-trust exemption.

    Guess Congress didn’t care when MLB let Bob Short move them to Texas. (trying not to sound bitter)[/quote]

    Curt Flood case had happened by then (’69) and the Reserve Clause, which MLB’s main reason to desire the anti-trust exemption, was on its way out the door. As far as MLB was concerned, damage had been done, let ’em move.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 12:20 pm |

    Oh, lord…
    A guy farts around and dyes his hair and has to defend his sexuality?
    The Gun Rack Larry the Cable Guy Mentality still rules, evidently.

    http://nfl.fanhouse....|wbml-aol|dl3|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fnfl.fanhouse.com%2F2009%2F08%2F04%2Fclinton-portis-explain

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | August 5, 2009 at 12:23 pm |

    The USFL wanted to take a year off, but never returned. The Arena League took a year off, and now it is history. Uni Watch is taking some time off…???

    Ah, it’s only a couple of weeks. I knew you wouldn’t desert me too, right??

    Enjoy the break, guys.

  • leon | August 5, 2009 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”344026″]Oh, lord…
    A guy farts around and dyes his hair and has to defend his sexuality?
    The Gun Rack Larry the Cable Guy Mentality still rules, evidently.

    http://nfl.fanhouse....|wbml-aol|dl3|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fnfl.fanhouse.com%2F2009%2F08%2F04%2Fclinton-portis-explain

    —Ricko[/quote]

    This says “who gives a shit” on so many levels it isn’t even funny.

  • Brian | August 5, 2009 at 12:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”344001″][quote comment=”343983″]…they’d become the De[b]ts? Or has that one been done before?[/quote]
    The Sets could have easily been the Lets, couldn’t they?

    “Let’s Go Lets!”

    I suppose there’s another word that ends with that “et” sound that we’re all ignoring…[/quote]
    We could be talking about the “Bets” if not for all those pesky anti-sports betting laws.

  • M.Princip | August 5, 2009 at 12:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”344014″][quote comment=”344009″][quote comment=”344004″][quote comment=”344002″][quote comment=”344000″][quote comment=”343989″]I was at ArenaBowl I, and I am saddened by the league’s demise.[/quote]

    I was at four Arena Bowls and saw over 40 games in person. I agree with you on being saddened by the league’s demise. It was a fun, family friendly and inexpensive to go to.[/quote]

    Yeah, purists didn’t like it, I suppose. But, absent regular football, it was a nice “live football fix” of a sort for a couple hours a week (meaning catching games on TV). Now we’ll have to be content with “Big Ten’s Greatest Games” and such, usually from way back to last fall.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I will always remember the PA announcements at Arizona Rattlers games:
    “Remember, fans, if the ball enters the stands, it’s yours to keep! If a player enters the stands… please return him.”[/quote]

    I remember the Miami Hooters(yes, they were owned by the restaurant), along with the Minnesota Fighting Pike, as two of many of the failed franchises in the AFL. However, the league did have some strong franchises, like Arizona, and Tampa Bay. There’s talk the owners of the stronger franchises may merge with AFL 2 to continue operations.
    The AFL was like hockey, in that it didn’t always translate well on TV, it was much more entertaining in person.[/quote]

    It was great in person. I always got to the Detroit Fury games for the warmups and I had front row seats. One game, my friend and I were sitting in our seats and the Head Coach Al Lugenbill strolled over to the wall in front of me and started talking to me about the team and stuff. We talked for about 5 minutes and he thanked me for coming and walked away. My friend turns to me and asks if I had every met him before and I said no. That is what was great about Arena Football, the players and coaches interacted with the fans on a personal basis.[/quote]

    I have no doubt that there were great people(personable) involved with the AFL. It’s just the product they were offering was an attempt to make a buck(i.e. Miami Hooters) off a warped sense of the pre-existing traditional football Tao(Way). heh heh………..I mean, for fuck’s sake Miami Hooters, please!

    The AFL was like a website with annoying popups all over the place. Yea, it’s free(or, cheap), yet, you have to endure the mental reaming via advertisements and it’s hokey skewed take on the game.

    “Ok, now that the AFL’s gone, looks like I’ll just have to stick with Slamball.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 12:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”344024″]Re: World Team Tennis names

    I am heartened that Philadelphia is called “Freedoms” the plural form and not “Freedom”. Don’t like singular names:
    Fire
    Avalanche
    Lightning
    Hurricane
    Tide
    Wave
    Sun

    Bleck![/quote]

    Tornado, Bell. Storm, Thunder, Machine, Galaxy, Drive, Rampage, Glory, Fury, Force, Rush, Crush, Dynamite…just to add a few others.

    —Ricko

  • Berto | August 5, 2009 at 12:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”344026″]Oh, lord…
    A guy farts around and dyes his hair and has to defend his sexuality?
    The Gun Rack Larry the Cable Guy Mentality still rules, evidently.

    http://nfl.fanhouse....|wbml-aol|dl3|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fnfl.fanhouse.com%2F2009%2F08%2F04%2Fclinton-portis-explain

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Did he have to defend or did he just kind of defend it out of the blue? I mean, if no one accused him of being gay back when he dressed up in costumes with different characters once/week for press day why would anyone say he was gay for dying his hair?

    And no, I’m not saying dressing up in costumes is a sign of homosexuality. The only sign of homosexuality is having sex with members of the same sex (that’s an awkward phrase) and even then it’s just kind of a clue. What I am saying is wouldn’t the sort of people who would make that accusation now make it then?

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 12:29 pm |

    “Ok, now that the AFL’s gone, looks like I’ll just have to stick with Slamball. ”

    Which is now on The Cartoon Network, if you’ve been looking for it.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”344032″][quote comment=”344026″]Oh, lord…
    A guy farts around and dyes his hair and has to defend his sexuality?
    The Gun Rack Larry the Cable Guy Mentality still rules, evidently.

    http://nfl.fanhouse....|wbml-aol|dl3|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fnfl.fanhouse.com%2F2009%2F08%2F04%2Fclinton-portis-explain

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Did he have to defend or did he just kind of defend it out of the blue? I mean, if no one accused him of being gay back when he dressed up in costumes with different characters once/week for press day why would anyone say he was gay for dying his hair?

    And no, I’m not saying dressing up in costumes is a sign of homosexuality. The only sign of homosexuality is having sex with members of the same sex (that’s an awkward phrase) and even then it’s just kind of a clue. What I am saying is wouldn’t the sort of people who would make that accusation now make it then?[/quote]

    He said he’d heard it said about him.

  • Berto | August 5, 2009 at 12:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”344030″][quote comment=”344014″][quote comment=”344009″][quote comment=”344004″][quote comment=”344002″][quote comment=”344000″][quote comment=”343989″]I was at ArenaBowl I, and I am saddened by the league’s demise.[/quote]

    I was at four Arena Bowls and saw over 40 games in person. I agree with you on being saddened by the league’s demise. It was a fun, family friendly and inexpensive to go to.[/quote]

    Yeah, purists didn’t like it, I suppose. But, absent regular football, it was a nice “live football fix” of a sort for a couple hours a week (meaning catching games on TV). Now we’ll have to be content with “Big Ten’s Greatest Games” and such, usually from way back to last fall.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I will always remember the PA announcements at Arizona Rattlers games:
    “Remember, fans, if the ball enters the stands, it’s yours to keep! If a player enters the stands… please return him.”[/quote]

    I remember the Miami Hooters(yes, they were owned by the restaurant), along with the Minnesota Fighting Pike, as two of many of the failed franchises in the AFL. However, the league did have some strong franchises, like Arizona, and Tampa Bay. There’s talk the owners of the stronger franchises may merge with AFL 2 to continue operations.
    The AFL was like hockey, in that it didn’t always translate well on TV, it was much more entertaining in person.[/quote]

    It was great in person. I always got to the Detroit Fury games for the warmups and I had front row seats. One game, my friend and I were sitting in our seats and the Head Coach Al Lugenbill strolled over to the wall in front of me and started talking to me about the team and stuff. We talked for about 5 minutes and he thanked me for coming and walked away. My friend turns to me and asks if I had every met him before and I said no. That is what was great about Arena Football, the players and coaches interacted with the fans on a personal basis.[/quote]

    I have no doubt that there were great people(personable) involved with the AFL. It’s just the product they were offering was an attempt to make a buck(i.e. Miami Hooters) off a warped sense of the pre-existing traditional football Tao(Way). heh heh………..I mean, for fuck’s sake Miami Hooters, please!

    The AFL was like a website with annoying popups all over the place. Yea, it’s free(or, cheap), yet, you have to endure the mental reaming via advertisements and it’s hokey skewed take on the game.

    “Ok, now that the AFL’s gone, looks like I’ll just have to stick with Slamball. “[/quote]

    Interesting perspective.

    I never paid much attention to the AFL but I always liked that it seemed like they were just happy being who they are, a niche sport with a small but loyal fan base. They never tried to sell themselves as better than or equal to the NFL. They seemed content. Unlike the MLS and WNBA who kept trying to cram down our throats with how great they are (I’m glad that’s been toned down in recent years). I wasn’t an AFL fan, but I’m a little sad to see them go.

  • Berto | August 5, 2009 at 12:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”344034″][quote comment=”344032″][quote comment=”344026″]Oh, lord…
    A guy farts around and dyes his hair and has to defend his sexuality?
    The Gun Rack Larry the Cable Guy Mentality still rules, evidently.

    http://nfl.fanhouse....|wbml-aol|dl3|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fnfl.fanhouse.com%2F2009%2F08%2F04%2Fclinton-portis-explain

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Did he have to defend or did he just kind of defend it out of the blue? I mean, if no one accused him of being gay back when he dressed up in costumes with different characters once/week for press day why would anyone say he was gay for dying his hair?

    And no, I’m not saying dressing up in costumes is a sign of homosexuality. The only sign of homosexuality is having sex with members of the same sex (that’s an awkward phrase) and even then it’s just kind of a clue. What I am saying is wouldn’t the sort of people who would make that accusation now make it then?[/quote]

    He said he’d heard it said about him.[/quote]

    Right, but the guy who wrote the article seems to have gone looking for the accusation and come up empty. Maybe people were yelling at him during the open practices. Anyway, it seems like a pretty silly thing to bring up but that’s our Sheriff Gone Getcha.

  • Brendan | August 5, 2009 at 12:41 pm |

    Not sure if other soccer fans know the answer to this:

    Watching Celtic play Dynamo Moscow in Champions League play today, I noticed that Celtic has blacked out their sponsor (Carling beer). I don’t remember them having to do this in past years.

    Is there a ban on alcohol sponsorships in the Champions League or maybe it interferes with a beer sponsor that the Champions League has?

  • M.Princip | August 5, 2009 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”344033″]“Ok, now that the AFL’s gone, looks like I’ll just have to stick with Slamball. ”

    Which is now on The Cartoon Network, if you’ve been looking for it.[/quote]

    Sweet! One step closer to the Baseketball League. Make it happen Noggin Channel.

  • aflfan | August 5, 2009 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”344035″][quote comment=”344030″][quote comment=”344014″][quote comment=”344009″][quote comment=”344004″][quote comment=”344002″][quote comment=”344000″][quote comment=”343989″]I was at ArenaBowl I, and I am saddened by the league’s demise.[/quote]

    I was at four Arena Bowls and saw over 40 games in person. I agree with you on being saddened by the league’s demise. It was a fun, family friendly and inexpensive to go to.[/quote]

    Yeah, purists didn’t like it, I suppose. But, absent regular football, it was a nice “live football fix” of a sort for a couple hours a week (meaning catching games on TV). Now we’ll have to be content with “Big Ten’s Greatest Games” and such, usually from way back to last fall.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I will always remember the PA announcements at Arizona Rattlers games:
    “Remember, fans, if the ball enters the stands, it’s yours to keep! If a player enters the stands… please return him.”[/quote]

    I remember the Miami Hooters(yes, they were owned by the restaurant), along with the Minnesota Fighting Pike, as two of many of the failed franchises in the AFL. However, the league did have some strong franchises, like Arizona, and Tampa Bay. There’s talk the owners of the stronger franchises may merge with AFL 2 to continue operations.
    The AFL was like hockey, in that it didn’t always translate well on TV, it was much more entertaining in person.[/quote]

    It was great in person. I always got to the Detroit Fury games for the warmups and I had front row seats. One game, my friend and I were sitting in our seats and the Head Coach Al Lugenbill strolled over to the wall in front of me and started talking to me about the team and stuff. We talked for about 5 minutes and he thanked me for coming and walked away. My friend turns to me and asks if I had every met him before and I said no. That is what was great about Arena Football, the players and coaches interacted with the fans on a personal basis.[/quote]

    I have no doubt that there were great people(personable) involved with the AFL. It’s just the product they were offering was an attempt to make a buck(i.e. Miami Hooters) off a warped sense of the pre-existing traditional football Tao(Way). heh heh………..I mean, for fuck’s sake Miami Hooters, please!

    The AFL was like a website with annoying popups all over the place. Yea, it’s free(or, cheap), yet, you have to endure the mental reaming via advertisements and it’s hokey skewed take on the game.

    “Ok, now that the AFL’s gone, looks like I’ll just have to stick with Slamball. “[/quote]

    Interesting perspective.

    I never paid much attention to the AFL but I always liked that it seemed like they were just happy being who they are, a niche sport with a small but loyal fan base. They never tried to sell themselves as better than or equal to the NFL. They seemed content. Unlike the MLS and WNBA who kept trying to cram down our throats with how great they are (I’m glad that’s been toned down in recent years). I wasn’t an AFL fan, but I’m a little sad to see them go.[/quote]

    Exactly, they knew their niche, they never tried to compete with the NFL, in fact they tried to work with them. They problem they had was Elway, Bon Jovi and Jones tried to make them into something they weren’t. AF2 still thrives in a niche.

    As to the gentleman who didn’t like the AFL, we get it,, but why do you have to run down those of use who love it. I am not a basketball fan, but if the NBA went belly up tomorrow, I would not be on here running down people who enjoyed it or supported it.

  • aflfan | August 5, 2009 at 12:58 pm |

    should have been those of us.

  • Kek | August 5, 2009 at 1:02 pm |

    I’ll miss Arena ball. You guys think the AFL and AF2 level was lowly, you should have seen the level of play of some of the REALLY low level leagues. There were NIFL and AIFL teams in Johnstown that played at the War Memorial and wow, talk about beer league townies!

    That all being said, the games were a blast in person, of course a lot of adult beverages were involved and that made heckling the opposing players even more fun than it already was because we were in close quarters.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 1:06 pm |

    “The problem they (Arena) had was Elway, Bon Jovi and Jones tried to make them into something they weren’t.”

    Yup, that’s true, I suppose. The league lost some of its light-heartedness, its “yeah, we’re a little offbeat, but it’s still throw and catch and tackle football…and it’s fun” attitude.

    But I also think the economy got them. The entertainment dollar really has shrunk and, as much I enjoyed the AFL, they really were near the bottom of the food chain, as far as pro sports leagues, anyway. With the kind of backing the WNBA has, it probably would still be around. And, frankly, I’d make that trade anytime. I mean, if one of ’em had to go…

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | August 5, 2009 at 1:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”344037″]Not sure if other soccer fans know the answer to this:

    Watching Celtic play Dynamo Moscow in Champions League play today, I noticed that Celtic has blacked out their sponsor (Carling beer). I don’t remember them having to do this in past years.

    Is there a ban on alcohol sponsorships in the Champions League or maybe it interferes with a beer sponsor that the Champions League has?[/quote]

    I believe Carlsberg has the official exclusive alcohol sponsorship of the Champions League. Because of this, teams who advertise alcohol makers on their jerseys have to cover them up.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 1:17 pm |

    I just remembered something. LOL

    Remember the World Basketball League, or whatever it was called, that didn’t allow any players taller than 6’4″?

    You may not remember, it didn’t last long.

    Anyway, I knew one of the guys who organized it (Dennis Murphy of ABA, WHA, WTT, etc.), and a couple of us were kicking around alternatives. “Maybe four-man teams would be better. Open the game up a bit. Keep payroll down, too.”

    And that’s when Steve Arnold, my best friend in pro sports, said, tongue firmly planted in cheek, “Here’s an idea, stay with five men, but limit a team to only thirty feet of players on the court at a time.”

    Got this flash of one really tall guy and four really short guys.

    (Well, I thought it was funny).

    —Ricko

  • Hibbsy | August 5, 2009 at 1:33 pm |

    I’ll never forget my first glimpse of the Arena League. Teams had tiger stripes all over their unis.
    Some said it wouldn’t last.

  • Jeremy Brahm | August 5, 2009 at 1:49 pm |

    Just saw this video on cnnsi.com

    http://www.youtube.c...

    My god, he could have bought a house with the number of jerseys that he has.

  • Brendan | August 5, 2009 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”344043″][quote comment=”344037″]Not sure if other soccer fans know the answer to this:

    Watching Celtic play Dynamo Moscow in Champions League play today, I noticed that Celtic has blacked out their sponsor (Carling beer). I don’t remember them having to do this in past years.

    Is there a ban on alcohol sponsorships in the Champions League or maybe it interferes with a beer sponsor that the Champions League has?[/quote]

    I believe Carlsberg has the official exclusive alcohol sponsorship of the Champions League. Because of this, teams who advertise alcohol makers on their jerseys have to cover them up.[/quote]

    On the post game show, they said it’s because alcohol advertising in banned in Russia, which is where the game was played.

  • Hott Rodd | August 5, 2009 at 2:01 pm |

    For now anyway, Looks like Paul and Phil chose wisely in attending today’s game

  • Berto | August 5, 2009 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”344046″]Just saw this video on cnnsi.com

    http://www.youtube.c...

    My god, he could have bought a house with the number of jerseys that he has.[/quote]

    GOLD! This guy is gold.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 2:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”344045″]I’ll never forget my first glimpse of the Arena League. Teams had tiger stripes all over their unis.
    Some said it wouldn’t last.[/quote]

    By comparison to other startup leagues Arena League blows the others away. 1987-2008. Most new businesses fail in, what, three years or less?
    Two decades is damn good.
    And, as someone noted, they never claimed to be more than they were, never said they were an institution or a mainstay of sport, just entertainment in the off-season for football fans.

    —Ricko

  • chance michaels | August 5, 2009 at 2:23 pm |

    I don’t know about that. They sure seemed to be rsaching higher than they could grasp in recent years, such as moving the Iowa Barnstormers to New York without any plan for actually making inroads in that crowded market.

    In fact, the New York Dragons could be the perfect example of the AFL’s mismanagement.

  • JimV19 | August 5, 2009 at 2:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”344044″]I just remembered something. LOL

    Remember the World Basketball League, or whatever it was called, that didn’t allow any players taller than 6’4″?

    You may not remember, it didn’t last long.

    Anyway, I knew one of the guys who organized it (Dennis Murphy of ABA, WHA, WTT, etc.), and a couple of us were kicking around alternatives. “Maybe four-man teams would be better. Open the game up a bit. Keep payroll down, too.”

    And that’s when Steve Arnold, my best friend in pro sports, said, tongue firmly planted in cheek, “Here’s an idea, stay with five men, but limit a team to only thirty feet of players on the court at a time.”

    Got this flash of one really tall guy and four really short guys.

    (Well, I thought it was funny).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I had an idea with a similar line of thinking, only for football and dealing with imposing a weight limit. Guys are getting bigger and bigger, but their bodies can’t handle it.

    I know you would still have injuries, some major, but I bet the numbers would decrease if you trimmed the players down. No one should HAVE to be 275-300 pounds in order to play football. It might also help solve the problem with performance-enhancing drugs.

    Yeah, some human rights lawyer would sue saying it discriminates against bigger people, but the current state of affairs discriminates against the majority of people in this world now. No one with a so-called “regular build” has much of a shot at playing pro football. I watch the game and still love it, but it’s harder and harder to relate to these giants.

    Besides, the purpose of sports was to get people into good shape while doing something fun, wasn’t it? Bulking up to 300+ pounds just so you can push another 300+ pound guy around isn’t getting in shape, it’s taking the short road to crippled knees, heart failure or any number of other ailments.

    And for the record, I’m slightly above “regular build,” but working on getting back down to it. I’d also be open to leagues with different weight classes. Picture the heavyweight Super Bowl or the featherweight Super Bowl, etc.

  • JTH | August 5, 2009 at 2:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”344031″][quote comment=”344024″]Re: World Team Tennis names

    I am heartened that Philadelphia is called “Freedoms” the plural form and not “Freedom”. Don’t like singular names:
    Fire
    Avalanche
    Lightning
    Hurricane
    Tide
    Wave
    Sun

    Bleck![/quote]

    Tornado, Bell. Storm, Thunder, Machine, Galaxy, Drive, Rampage, Glory, Fury, Force, Rush, Crush, Dynamite…just to add a few others.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    For the most part, I agree that singular nicknames are crap, but there are some that I do like. I think “Fire” is a pretty good one and “Lightning” is OK. “Crimson Tide” is good. I absolutely LOVE “Thundering Herd”. In fact, it might just be my favorite nickname in the history of ever.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 2:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”344051″]I don’t know about that. They sure seemed to be rsaching higher than they could grasp in recent years, such as moving the Iowa Barnstormers to New York without any plan for actually making inroads in that crowded market.

    In fact, the New York Dragons could be the perfect example of the AFL’s mismanagement.[/quote]

    Dunno, they were always trying to get something established in New York. Any league wants a NY presence, if possible. At least two teams tried it, didn’t they? Knights and…Red Dogs or something?

    Just cuz the league attempted it one more time isn’t necessarily a sign of mismanagement. And the Dragons did last til the end, right? I mean, they didn’t fall on their faces exactly. Weren’t boffo, but weren’t totally a bust, either.

    And sometimes it isn’t about attendance, it’s about believing that out of a monstrous market you ought to be able to draw enough TV viewers to get a decent rating when you’re on the network.

    —Ricko

  • M.Princip | August 5, 2009 at 2:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”344039″][quote comment=”344035″][quote comment=”344030″][quote comment=”344014″][quote comment=”344009″][quote comment=”344004″][quote comment=”344002″][quote comment=”344000″][quote comment=”343989″]I was at ArenaBowl I, and I am saddened by the league’s demise.[/quote]

    I was at four Arena Bowls and saw over 40 games in person. I agree with you on being saddened by the league’s demise. It was a fun, family friendly and inexpensive to go to.[/quote]

    Yeah, purists didn’t like it, I suppose. But, absent regular football, it was a nice “live football fix” of a sort for a couple hours a week (meaning catching games on TV). Now we’ll have to be content with “Big Ten’s Greatest Games” and such, usually from way back to last fall.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I will always remember the PA announcements at Arizona Rattlers games:
    “Remember, fans, if the ball enters the stands, it’s yours to keep! If a player enters the stands… please return him.”[/quote]

    I remember the Miami Hooters(yes, they were owned by the restaurant), along with the Minnesota Fighting Pike, as two of many of the failed franchises in the AFL. However, the league did have some strong franchises, like Arizona, and Tampa Bay. There’s talk the owners of the stronger franchises may merge with AFL 2 to continue operations.
    The AFL was like hockey, in that it didn’t always translate well on TV, it was much more entertaining in person.[/quote]

    It was great in person. I always got to the Detroit Fury games for the warmups and I had front row seats. One game, my friend and I were sitting in our seats and the Head Coach Al Lugenbill strolled over to the wall in front of me and started talking to me about the team and stuff. We talked for about 5 minutes and he thanked me for coming and walked away. My friend turns to me and asks if I had every met him before and I said no. That is what was great about Arena Football, the players and coaches interacted with the fans on a personal basis.[/quote]

    I have no doubt that there were great people(personable) involved with the AFL. It’s just the product they were offering was an attempt to make a buck(i.e. Miami Hooters) off a warped sense of the pre-existing traditional football Tao(Way). heh heh………..I mean, for fuck’s sake Miami Hooters, please!

    The AFL was like a website with annoying popups all over the place. Yea, it’s free(or, cheap), yet, you have to endure the mental reaming via advertisements and it’s hokey skewed take on the game.

    “Ok, now that the AFL’s gone, looks like I’ll just have to stick with Slamball. “[/quote]

    Interesting perspective.

    I never paid much attention to the AFL but I always liked that it seemed like they were just happy being who they are, a niche sport with a small but loyal fan base. They never tried to sell themselves as better than or equal to the NFL. They seemed content. Unlike the MLS and WNBA who kept trying to cram down our throats with how great they are (I’m glad that’s been toned down in recent years). I wasn’t an AFL fan, but I’m a little sad to see them go.[/quote]

    Exactly, they knew their niche, they never tried to compete with the NFL, in fact they tried to work with them. They problem they had was Elway, Bon Jovi and Jones tried to make them into something they weren’t. AF2 still thrives in a niche.

    As to the gentleman who didn’t like the AFL, we get it,, but why do you have to run down those of use who love it. I am not a basketball fan, but if the NBA went belly up tomorrow, I would not be on here running down people who enjoyed it or supported it.[/quote]

    Because I don’t subscribe to; “If you have nothing nice to say, then don’t say nothing at all.” I hate it, and I want to tell you all why I hated it. It’s like me saying, ok aflfan we get it, but why do you have to run down those people who hate it and have a valid opinion as to why they hate it. Wouldn’t be much of a blog(discussion board) if people didn’t have other opinions. Plus, you shouldn’t feel too bad, since, the AFL lovers seem to be the majority here, against one person(me).

    Here’s to the AFL2 and I propose a Championship game with the Tampa Peckers(Chippendale Owned team) vs. the Miami Hooters (res)erection. Of course, played at Viva Viagra Field.

  • gusto | August 5, 2009 at 2:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”344042″]”The problem they (Arena) had was Elway, Bon Jovi and Jones tried to make them into something they weren’t.”

    Yup, that’s true, I suppose. The league lost some of its light-heartedness, its “yeah, we’re a little offbeat, but it’s still throw and catch and tackle football…and it’s fun” attitude.

    But I also think the economy got them. The entertainment dollar really has shrunk and, as much I enjoyed the AFL, they really were near the bottom of the food chain, as far as pro sports leagues, anyway. With the kind of backing the WNBA has, it probably would still be around. And, frankly, I’d make that trade anytime. I mean, if one of ’em had to go…

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’d definitely abolish the WNBA in favor of the Arena League. The WNBA is dying, despite the support of the NBA. I agree, the AFL deserves credit for lasting this long, it’s also sad many people are now joining the list of unemployed in this country.
    However, arena football itself has been successful, AFL2 has managed to turn a profit by not overspending on players. The Tampa Bay Storm, one of the strongest AFL teams, may join AFL2, along with a few other AFL clubs.

  • JeffB | August 5, 2009 at 2:44 pm |

    This web site is going on hiatus? Cue the sound of Jeremy Brahm’s head exploding…

  • Jack H. | August 5, 2009 at 2:44 pm |

    Man, Paul…Simmons stole your thunder on the convention story. That’s cold.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 2:47 pm |

    Hmmm, apparently Dragons were losing the red and going to green.
    http://www.newyorkdr...

  • SpellsGood | August 5, 2009 at 2:48 pm |

    Re: World Team Tennis names

    I am heartened that Philadelphia is called “Freedoms” the plural form and not “Freedom”. Don’t like singular names:
    Fire
    Avalanche
    Lightning
    Hurricane
    Tide
    Wave
    Sun

    Bleck!

    Tornado, Bell. Storm, Thunder, Machine, Galaxy, Drive, Rampage, Glory, Fury, Force, Rush, Crush, Dynamite…just to add a few others.

    —Ricko

    Wild!

  • Berto | August 5, 2009 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”344052″][quote comment=”344044″]I just remembered something. LOL

    Remember the World Basketball League, or whatever it was called, that didn’t allow any players taller than 6’4″?

    You may not remember, it didn’t last long.

    Anyway, I knew one of the guys who organized it (Dennis Murphy of ABA, WHA, WTT, etc.), and a couple of us were kicking around alternatives. “Maybe four-man teams would be better. Open the game up a bit. Keep payroll down, too.”

    And that’s when Steve Arnold, my best friend in pro sports, said, tongue firmly planted in cheek, “Here’s an idea, stay with five men, but limit a team to only thirty feet of players on the court at a time.”

    Got this flash of one really tall guy and four really short guys.

    (Well, I thought it was funny).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I had an idea with a similar line of thinking, only for football and dealing with imposing a weight limit. Guys are getting bigger and bigger, but their bodies can’t handle it.

    I know you would still have injuries, some major, but I bet the numbers would decrease if you trimmed the players down. No one should HAVE to be 275-300 pounds in order to play football. It might also help solve the problem with performance-enhancing drugs.

    Yeah, some human rights lawyer would sue saying it discriminates against bigger people, but the current state of affairs discriminates against the majority of people in this world now.

    No one with a so-called “regular build” has much of a shot at playing pro football. I watch the game and still love it, but it’s harder and harder to relate to these giants.

    Besides, the purpose of sports was to get people into good shape while doing something fun, wasn’t it? Bulking up to 300+ pounds just so you can push another 300+ pound guy around isn’t getting in shape, it’s taking the short road to crippled knees, heart failure or any number of other ailments.

    And for the record, I’m slightly above “regular build,” but working on getting back down to it. I’d also be open to leagues with different weight classes. Picture the heavyweight Super Bowl or the featherweight Super Bowl, etc.[/quote]

    If that’s what your looking for I’d suggest watching some rugby. :-)

  • anotherguy | August 5, 2009 at 2:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”344053″]For the most part, I agree that singular nicknames are crap, but there are some that I do like. I think “Fire” is a pretty good one and “Lightning” is OK. “Crimson Tide” is good. I absolutely LOVE “Thundering Herd”. In fact, it might just be my favorite nickname in the history of ever.[/quote]

    I can see “Big Red” and things like that; especially if it’s a college and the term goes back to the 1920’s or prior.

    Singular Nickname For The Sake of a Singular Nickname? I vote no to that; and I’d have to put Lightning in that category.

  • Valjean | August 5, 2009 at 2:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”344010″]If you look at the A’s helmets with the different logo, isn’t that one more like the original Philadelphia A’s caps?[/quote]

    Not as much as this one — and that’s going back a ways. Back in the ’70s they didn’t match either — but the helmet logo was definitely more angular (and Philly A’s-like).

    As a nearly 40-year fan of the A’s I can’t remember a time when the helmet and cap logos actually matched — until now. (That one shown on Chavez has been around since at least the late ’80s.) One myopic fan’s perspective, but this is actually pretty huge from a uni-consistency standpoint.

  • gopherboy | August 5, 2009 at 2:58 pm |

    I have a Marty Havlat Blackhawks T-shirt jersey (I don’t like t-shirt jerseys but it was a Christmas present so I make due.) Since Havlat is now gone is there any way to remove the name on the back without completely ruining it? I want to turn it into a Bob Probert one.

  • anotherguy | August 5, 2009 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”344052″]I had an idea with a similar line of thinking, only for football and dealing with imposing a weight limit. Guys are getting bigger and bigger, but their bodies can’t handle it.

    I know you would still have injuries, some major, but I bet the numbers would decrease if you trimmed the players down. No one should HAVE to be 275-300 pounds in order to play football. It might also help solve the problem with performance-enhancing drugs.[/quote]

    As a free market person, I have noticed that college football is definitely moving towards speed over weight. I think this will eventually happen in the pros also. (And I know this doesn’t change anything for the Big AND fast person, but there’s a definite shortage of those body types.)

    BTWeigh, what would you think about weight limits by uni number? IOW, if you’re on one of the lines, then you can weigh X: if not, you can only weigh Y.

  • JTH | August 5, 2009 at 3:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”344062″]Singular Nickname For The Sake of a Singular Nickname? I vote no to that; and I’d have to put Lightning in that category.[/quote]
    Yeah, but I give it a pass because Lightning fits with the geographical location and Lightnings would just be really stupid.

    Same goes for Fire (although Fires would be a hell of a lot better than Lightnings).

  • TimMoore | August 5, 2009 at 3:04 pm |

    A few weeks ago there was a link posted for a website that had historical uniforms from Baltimore and Washington area teams, including many old Orioles and Senators jerseys. I have lost the URL, could someone post it again? Thanks.

  • Bernard | August 5, 2009 at 3:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”344053″][quote comment=”344031″][quote comment=”344024″]Re: World Team Tennis names

    I am heartened that Philadelphia is called “Freedoms” the plural form and not “Freedom”. Don’t like singular names:
    Fire
    Avalanche
    Lightning
    Hurricane
    Tide
    Wave
    Sun

    Bleck![/quote]

    Tornado, Bell. Storm, Thunder, Machine, Galaxy, Drive, Rampage, Glory, Fury, Force, Rush, Crush, Dynamite…just to add a few others.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    For the most part, I agree that singular nicknames are crap, but there are some that I do like. I think “Fire” is a pretty good one and “Lightning” is OK. “Crimson Tide” is good. I absolutely LOVE “Thundering Herd”. In fact, it might just be my favorite nickname in the history of ever.[/quote]

    Count me among the singular nickname haters, but if I HAD to pick a favorite, I’d go with these guys:

    http://www.spartanco...

  • leon | August 5, 2009 at 3:06 pm |

    JTH, upon further review, perhaps I should have limited my disapproval to singular names without modifiers, and only included pro teams. Have to agree with you about “Thundering Herd”. And I guess Crimson Tide and Green Wave and Golden Hurricane have a certain charm. There is a certain dysfunction associated with some of their mascots however…….
    so, if the “Revolution” were called the “Industrial Revolution”…….Nah

  • timmy b | August 5, 2009 at 3:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”344024″]Bleck![/quote]

    OK, I give…what team was called the Bleck! ???

  • leon | August 5, 2009 at 3:10 pm |

    Yeah, but I give it a pass because Lightning fits with the geographical location and Lightnings would just be really stupid.

    What, lightning only occurs in Florida? Golden Flashes would be much better.

  • timmy b | August 5, 2009 at 3:12 pm |

    the past few days there was talk about teams in the late 60’s – early 70’s that wore plan sleeved football jerseys as opposed to their normal stripes.

    I have documented each game that these were worn. this era lasted from 1968 (the Lions wore plain blue jerseys for several games) thru 1973. In 1974, it appeared that the art of properly screening stripes on the sleeves was perfected and thus, teams wearing two different styles of jerseys during the same season was over.

    Any interest from anyone and I will try and post my findings for each team affected.

  • mtjaws | August 5, 2009 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”344058″]Man, Paul…Simmons stole your thunder on the convention story. That’s cold.[/quote]

    I totally agree, and BS got the front page headline and photo.

  • leon | August 5, 2009 at 3:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”344070″][quote comment=”344024″]Bleck![/quote]

    OK, I give…what team was called the Bleck! ???[/quote]

    Most any team poppin’ Nike. :)

  • leon | August 5, 2009 at 3:21 pm |

    Same goes for Fire (although Fires would be a hell of a lot better than Lightnings).

    Flames?
    Blue Flames?
    Matchstick Men?
    Zip(po)s?
    Sparks?
    Accelerators?

  • Teebz | August 5, 2009 at 3:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”344064″]I have a Marty Havlat Blackhawks T-shirt jersey (I don’t like t-shirt jerseys but it was a Christmas present so I make due.) Since Havlat is now gone is there any way to remove the name on the back without completely ruining it? I want to turn it into a Bob Probert one.[/quote]

    No. It’s silk-screened on. There’s not much you can do except hockey-tape-and-sharpie.

  • Giancarlo | August 5, 2009 at 3:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”344072″]the past few days there was talk about teams in the late 60’s – early 70’s that wore plan sleeved football jerseys as opposed to their normal stripes.

    I have documented each game that these were worn. this era lasted from 1968 (the Lions wore plain blue jerseys for several games) thru 1973. In 1974, it appeared that the art of properly screening stripes on the sleeves was perfected and thus, teams wearing two different styles of jerseys during the same season was over.

    Any interest from anyone and I will try and post my findings for each team affected.[/quote]
    I’m interested in that. And in which teams went with the plain jerseys as a stylistic choice having nothing to do with the mesh screening problem (e.g. Eagles, I assume).

  • Berto | August 5, 2009 at 3:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”344070″][quote comment=”344024″]Bleck![/quote]

    OK, I give…what team was called the Bleck! ???[/quote]

    They were coached by Bartholomew Cubbins. They had really cool hats.

  • Skycat | August 5, 2009 at 3:36 pm |

    Keith uncovers a “Moving Picture Post Card” from 1907 of Christy Mathewson of the “New York National League Baseball Team.”

    http://keitholberman...

  • JTH | August 5, 2009 at 3:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”344075″]Same goes for Fire (although Fires would be a hell of a lot better than Lightnings).

    Flames?
    Blue Flames?
    Matchstick Men?
    Zip(po)s?
    Sparks?
    Accelerators?[/quote]
    Chicago Fire has the historical significance and a much better ring to it than any of those others (with the possible exeption of “Flames” but UIC already claimed that one).

    As for the lightning/Florida connection, Tampa is purported to be the “lightning capital of the world.”

  • M.Princip | August 5, 2009 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”344067″]A few weeks ago there was a link posted for a website that had historical uniforms from Baltimore and Washington area teams, including many old Orioles and Senators jerseys. I have lost the URL, could someone post it again? Thanks.[/quote]

    Parkway Pastimes

  • JimV19 | August 5, 2009 at 3:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”344065″][quote comment=”344052″]I had an idea with a similar line of thinking, only for football and dealing with imposing a weight limit. Guys are getting bigger and bigger, but their bodies can’t handle it.

    I know you would still have injuries, some major, but I bet the numbers would decrease if you trimmed the players down. No one should HAVE to be 275-300 pounds in order to play football. It might also help solve the problem with performance-enhancing drugs.[/quote]

    As a free market person, I have noticed that college football is definitely moving towards speed over weight. I think this will eventually happen in the pros also. (And I know this doesn’t change anything for the Big AND fast person, but there’s a definite shortage of those body types.)

    BTWeigh, what would you think about weight limits by uni number? IOW, if you’re on one of the lines, then you can weigh X: if not, you can only weigh Y.[/quote]

    I’d like to see the weights pretty even across the board. That way you could have more flexibilty with the rosters – say your center is out with an injury, put in a fullback. Plus I think you can have some good battles along the line of scrimmage, even with two 220-pounders going at it. And you don’t have to worry so much about your QB being crushed by having a giant lineman fall on him.

    And Berto, I could be persuaded to watch rugby, or Aussie Rules, if given a chance. I only get local channels right now, though. Bring back the Wide World of Sports!

  • JimV19 | August 5, 2009 at 3:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”344077″][quote comment=”344072″]the past few days there was talk about teams in the late 60’s – early 70’s that wore plan sleeved football jerseys as opposed to their normal stripes.

    I have documented each game that these were worn. this era lasted from 1968 (the Lions wore plain blue jerseys for several games) thru 1973. In 1974, it appeared that the art of properly screening stripes on the sleeves was perfected and thus, teams wearing two different styles of jerseys during the same season was over.

    Any interest from anyone and I will try and post my findings for each team affected.[/quote]
    I’m interested in that. And in which teams went with the plain jerseys as a stylistic choice having nothing to do with the mesh screening problem (e.g. Eagles, I assume).[/quote]

    I’m interested – post away!

  • Oakville Belgium Endive II | August 5, 2009 at 3:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”344070″][quote comment=”344024″]Bleck![/quote]

    OK, I give…what team was called the Bleck! ???[/quote]

    Weren’t they called the Mighty Blecks when they first came into existence?

  • Berto | August 5, 2009 at 3:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”344082″][quote comment=”344065″][quote comment=”344052″]I had an idea with a similar line of thinking, only for football and dealing with imposing a weight limit. Guys are getting bigger and bigger, but their bodies can’t handle it.

    I know you would still have injuries, some major, but I bet the numbers would decrease if you trimmed the players down. No one should HAVE to be 275-300 pounds in order to play football. It might also help solve the problem with performance-enhancing drugs.[/quote]

    As a free market person, I have noticed that college football is definitely moving towards speed over weight. I think this will eventually happen in the pros also. (And I know this doesn’t change anything for the Big AND fast person, but there’s a definite shortage of those body types.)

    BTWeigh, what would you think about weight limits by uni number? IOW, if you’re on one of the lines, then you can weigh X: if not, you can only weigh Y.[/quote]

    I’d like to see the weights pretty even across the board. That way you could have more flexibilty with the rosters – say your center is out with an injury, put in a fullback. Plus I think you can have some good battles along the line of scrimmage, even with two 220-pounders going at it. And you don’t have to worry so much about your QB being crushed by having a giant lineman fall on him.

    And Berto, I could be persuaded to watch rugby, or Aussie Rules, if given a chance. I only get local channels right now, though. Bring back the Wide World of Sports![/quote]

    What city are you in Jim?

  • leon | August 5, 2009 at 3:50 pm |

    Chicago Fire has the historical significance and a much better ring to it than any of those others (with the possible exeption of “Flames” but UIC already claimed that one).

    Um, I believe there is a team in Calgary that uses it also.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 3:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”344066″][quote comment=”344062″]Singular Nickname For The Sake of a Singular Nickname? I vote no to that; and I’d have to put Lightning in that category.[/quote]
    Yeah, but I give it a pass because Lightning fits with the geographical location and Lightnings would just be really stupid.

    Same goes for Fire (although Fires would be a hell of a lot better than Lightnings).[/quote]

    Agreed. When did anyone the morning after an elecrical storm ever say, “Wow, there sure were some spectacular lightnings last night!”

    Certain words just work better in the singular. Doesn’t mean teams should go searching them out, though.

    And sometimes plurals just don’t make sense in a given context. When that guy with the WFL told me, “We’re going to be the Chicago Fires”, I couldn’t help myself. I said, “But, Ed, there was only ONE famous Chicago Fire.” So the “s” got dropped.

    And then the damn floodgates opened: Sun, Bell, Storm…yuck.

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | August 5, 2009 at 3:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”344086″]Um, I believe there is a team in Calgary that uses it also.[/quote]
    Chicago (and Atlanta) have a bit of history with fires.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 3:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”344084″][quote comment=”344070″][quote comment=”344024″]Bleck![/quote]

    OK, I give…what team was called the Bleck! ???[/quote]

    Weren’t they called the Mighty Blecks when they first came into existence?[/quote]

    Screaming Blecks, I think it was.

  • anotherguy | August 5, 2009 at 3:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”344086″]Um, I believe there is a team in Calgary that uses it also.[/quote]
    Chicago (and Atlanta) have a bit of history with fires. Calgary, not so much AFAIK.

  • leon | August 5, 2009 at 3:55 pm |

    As for the lightning/Florida connection, Tampa is purported to be the “lightning capital of the world.”

    That’s jive!

    I guess Bumfawk,TN could be called “White Lightnin’ Capital of the World”, then? (You’d see Golden Flashes if ye was to sip some o’ that)!

  • aflfan | August 5, 2009 at 3:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”344054″][quote comment=”344051″]I don’t know about that. They sure seemed to be rsaching higher than they could grasp in recent years, such as moving the Iowa Barnstormers to New York without any plan for actually making inroads in that crowded market.

    In fact, the New York Dragons could be the perfect example of the AFL’s mismanagement.[/quote]

    Dunno, they were always trying to get something established in New York. Any league wants a NY presence, if possible. At least two teams tried it, didn’t they? Knights and…Red Dogs or something?

    Just cuz the league attempted it one more time isn’t necessarily a sign of mismanagement. And the Dragons did last til the end, right? I mean, they didn’t fall on their faces exactly. Weren’t boffo, but weren’t totally a bust, either.

    And sometimes it isn’t about attendance, it’s about believing that out of a monstrous market you ought to be able to draw enough TV viewers to get a decent rating when you’re on the network.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Dragons still hold the record as only team ever to score over 100 points in the AFL.

  • anotherguy | August 5, 2009 at 3:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”344089″][quote comment=”344089″]Weren’t they called the Mighty Blecks when they first came into existence?[/quote]

    Screaming Blecks, I think it was.[/quote]
    I think there’s a rugby or soccer team called the All-Blecks, isn’t there?

  • leon | August 5, 2009 at 3:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”344090″][quote comment=”344086″]Um, I believe there is a team in Calgary that uses it also.[/quote]
    Chicago (and Atlanta) have a bit of history with fires. Calgary, not so much AFAIK.[/quote]

    Merely pointing out.. oh, never mind.

  • JimV19 | August 5, 2009 at 3:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”344085″][quote comment=”344082″][quote comment=”344065″][quote comment=”344052″]I had an idea with a similar line of thinking, only for football and dealing with imposing a weight limit. Guys are getting bigger and bigger, but their bodies can’t handle it.

    I know you would still have injuries, some major, but I bet the numbers would decrease if you trimmed the players down. No one should HAVE to be 275-300 pounds in order to play football. It might also help solve the problem with performance-enhancing drugs.[/quote]

    As a free market person, I have noticed that college football is definitely moving towards speed over weight. I think this will eventually happen in the pros also. (And I know this doesn’t change anything for the Big AND fast person, but there’s a definite shortage of those body types.)

    BTWeigh, what would you think about weight limits by uni number? IOW, if you’re on one of the lines, then you can weigh X: if not, you can only weigh Y.[/quote]

    I’d like to see the weights pretty even across the board. That way you could have more flexibilty with the rosters – say your center is out with an injury, put in a fullback. Plus I think you can have some good battles along the line of scrimmage, even with two 220-pounders going at it. And you don’t have to worry so much about your QB being crushed by having a giant lineman fall on him.

    And Berto, I could be persuaded to watch rugby, or Aussie Rules, if given a chance. I only get local channels right now, though. Bring back the Wide World of Sports![/quote]

    What city are you in Jim?[/quote]

    Akron, OH. I think Akron U. or someone else around here has a rugby club, if that’s why you’re asking.

  • JimV19 | August 5, 2009 at 4:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”344091″]As for the lightning/Florida connection, Tampa is purported to be the “lightning capital of the world.”

    That’s jive!

    I guess Bumfawk,TN could be called “White Lightnin’ Capital of the World”, then? (You’d see Golden Flashes if ye was to sip some o’ that)![/quote]

    Golden Flashes…that’s Kent State’s nickname. Always wondered where they got the inspiration for that one…

  • JTH | August 5, 2009 at 4:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”344086″]Um, I believe there is a team in Calgary that uses it also.[/quote]
    Right. And Calgary’s about, what? 1500 miles away from where the Fire play their home games? I was citing a same-town example of “Flames” as a nickname.

  • JTH | August 5, 2009 at 4:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”344087″][quote comment=”344066″][quote comment=”344062″]Singular Nickname For The Sake of a Singular Nickname? I vote no to that; and I’d have to put Lightning in that category.[/quote]
    Yeah, but I give it a pass because Lightning fits with the geographical location and Lightnings would just be really stupid.

    Same goes for Fire (although Fires would be a hell of a lot better than Lightnings).[/quote]

    Agreed. When did anyone the morning after an elecrical storm ever say, “Wow, there sure were some spectacular lightnings last night!”

    Certain words just work better in the singular. Doesn’t mean teams should go searching them out, though.

    And sometimes plurals just don’t make sense in a given context. When that guy with the WFL told me, “We’re going to be the Chicago Fires”, I couldn’t help myself. I said, “But, Ed, there was only ONE famous Chicago Fire.” So the “s” got dropped.

    And then the damn floodgates opened: Sun, Bell, Storm…yuck.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Only one Fire, but plenty of Winds…

    Anyway, I totally agree. Just because a singular name kinda works, doesn’t mean teams should choose one.

  • Berto | August 5, 2009 at 4:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”344095″][quote comment=”344085″][quote comment=”344082″][quote comment=”344065″][quote comment=”344052″]I had an idea with a similar line of thinking, only for football and dealing with imposing a weight limit. Guys are getting bigger and bigger, but their bodies can’t handle it.

    I know you would still have injuries, some major, but I bet the numbers would decrease if you trimmed the players down. No one should HAVE to be 275-300 pounds in order to play football. It might also help solve the problem with performance-enhancing drugs.[/quote]

    As a free market person, I have noticed that college football is definitely moving towards speed over weight. I think this will eventually happen in the pros also. (And I know this doesn’t change anything for the Big AND fast person, but there’s a definite shortage of those body types.)

    BTWeigh, what would you think about weight limits by uni number? IOW, if you’re on one of the lines, then you can weigh X: if not, you can only weigh Y.[/quote]

    I’d like to see the weights pretty even across the board. That way you could have more flexibilty with the rosters – say your center is out with an injury, put in a fullback. Plus I think you can have some good battles along the line of scrimmage, even with two 220-pounders going at it. And you don’t have to worry so much about your QB being crushed by having a giant lineman fall on him.

    And Berto, I could be persuaded to watch rugby, or Aussie Rules, if given a chance. I only get local channels right now, though. Bring back the Wide World of Sports![/quote]

    What city are you in Jim?[/quote]

    Akron, OH. I think Akron U. or someone else around here has a rugby club, if that’s why you’re asking.[/quote]

    I was looking to see if there’s a Rugby Super League (the top US league) team near you. I don’t think there is but I’m terrible with geography.

    It looks like the RSL final was shown on espn360.com and may be in the archive there. If you do look for rugby on espn360 remember that Rugby League (which is most of what they have on espn360) is quite different than Rugby Union. The two play under different laws (rules) with Union being the more popular. Rugby League is sort of the Arena Football of rugby (fewer players per side, liberalized rules to enhance scoring etc.)

    If that’s not complicated enough here in the US teams in the Rugby Super League play by Rugby Union laws.

  • Brian | August 5, 2009 at 4:17 pm |

    Well I guess Paul should be pretty stoked he went to the game today.

    And on the subject of the “Lightning” nickname, yes, Tampa Bay is the “capital of lightning strikes,” but Pinellas County (where St. Petersburg is, the original home of the Bolts before they moved across the Bay) is actually (and scientifically) the tornado capital of the US. How would everyone feel about them being called the Tampa Bay Tornadoes?

  • chance michaels | August 5, 2009 at 4:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”344054″][quote comment=”344051″]I don’t know about that. They sure seemed to be rsaching higher than they could grasp in recent years, such as moving the Iowa Barnstormers to New York without any plan for actually making inroads in that crowded market.

    In fact, the New York Dragons could be the perfect example of the AFL’s mismanagement.[/quote]

    Dunno, they were always trying to get something established in New York. Any league wants a NY presence, if possible. At least two teams tried it, didn’t they? Knights and…Red Dogs or something?

    Just cuz the league attempted it one more time isn’t necessarily a sign of mismanagement. And the Dragons did last til the end, right? I mean, they didn’t fall on their faces exactly. Weren’t boffo, but weren’t totally a bust, either.

    And sometimes it isn’t about attendance, it’s about believing that out of a monstrous market you ought to be able to draw enough TV viewers to get a decent rating when you’re on the network.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    But in chasing that major market, they tossed aside what was by all accounts reportedly a devoted fanbase in a smaller one.

    Then when they got that major market, they were invisible. I never saw a single billboard, commercial or ad for the Dragons in this city. They were never mentioned on the 11 o’clock news, nor were they anywhere to be found in the papers.

    If the whole point of the AFL was to create a fan-friendly community-based league, players and coaches mingling with fans, they failed on both sides of the New York move.

  • Teebz | August 5, 2009 at 4:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”344090″][quote comment=”344086″]Um, I believe there is a team in Calgary that uses it also.[/quote]
    Chicago (and Atlanta) have a bit of history with fires. Calgary, not so much AFAIK.[/quote]

    Nelson Skalbania, when he bought the team, felt that “Flames” was more than suitable for a city built through oil. And since there were occasional oil fires around the city, the name was somewhat appropriate, albeit not as meaningful as it was in Atlanta.

  • Berto | August 5, 2009 at 4:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”344099″][quote comment=”344095″][quote comment=”344085″][quote comment=”344082″][quote comment=”344065″][quote comment=”344052″]I had an idea with a similar line of thinking, only for football and dealing with imposing a weight limit. Guys are getting bigger and bigger, but their bodies can’t handle it.

    I know you would still have injuries, some major, but I bet the numbers would decrease if you trimmed the players down. No one should HAVE to be 275-300 pounds in order to play football. It might also help solve the problem with performance-enhancing drugs.[/quote]

    As a free market person, I have noticed that college football is definitely moving towards speed over weight. I think this will eventually happen in the pros also. (And I know this doesn’t change anything for the Big AND fast person, but there’s a definite shortage of those body types.)

    BTWeigh, what would you think about weight limits by uni number? IOW, if you’re on one of the lines, then you can weigh X: if not, you can only weigh Y.[/quote]

    I’d like to see the weights pretty even across the board. That way you could have more flexibilty with the rosters – say your center is out with an injury, put in a fullback. Plus I think you can have some good battles along the line of scrimmage, even with two 220-pounders going at it. And you don’t have to worry so much about your QB being crushed by having a giant lineman fall on him.

    And Berto, I could be persuaded to watch rugby, or Aussie Rules, if given a chance. I only get local channels right now, though. Bring back the Wide World of Sports![/quote]

    What city are you in Jim?[/quote]

    Akron, OH. I think Akron U. or someone else around here has a rugby club, if that’s why you’re asking.[/quote]

    I was looking to see if there’s a Rugby Super League (the top US league) team near you. I don’t think there is but I’m terrible with geography.

    It looks like the RSL final was shown on espn360.com and may be in the archive there. If you do look for rugby on espn360 remember that Rugby League (which is most of what they have on espn360) is quite different than Rugby Union. The two play under different laws (rules) with Union being the more popular. Rugby League is sort of the Arena Football of rugby (fewer players per side, liberalized rules to enhance scoring etc.)

    If that’s not complicated enough here in the US teams in the Rugby Super League play by Rugby Union laws.[/quote]

    The Akron Rugby club is a DIII club which is pretty industrial grade.

    I did find these DI and DII clubs in Ohio. If one is near by you may want to check out a game.

    http://www.wolfhound...

    http://www.daytonrug...

    http://sciotorugby.c...

  • aflfan | August 5, 2009 at 4:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”344101″][quote comment=”344054″][quote comment=”344051″]I don’t know about that. They sure seemed to be rsaching higher than they could grasp in recent years, such as moving the Iowa Barnstormers to New York without any plan for actually making inroads in that crowded market.

    In fact, the New York Dragons could be the perfect example of the AFL’s mismanagement.[/quote]

    Dunno, they were always trying to get something established in New York. Any league wants a NY presence, if possible. At least two teams tried it, didn’t they? Knights and…Red Dogs or something?

    Just cuz the league attempted it one more time isn’t necessarily a sign of mismanagement. And the Dragons did last til the end, right? I mean, they didn’t fall on their faces exactly. Weren’t boffo, but weren’t totally a bust, either.

    And sometimes it isn’t about attendance, it’s about believing that out of a monstrous market you ought to be able to draw enough TV viewers to get a decent rating when you’re on the network.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    But in chasing that major market, they tossed aside what was by all accounts reportedly a devoted fanbase in a smaller one.

    Then when they got that major market, they were invisible. I never saw a single billboard, commercial or ad for the Dragons in this city. They were never mentioned on the 11 o’clock news, nor were they anywhere to be found in the papers.

    If the whole point of the AFL was to create a fan-friendly community-based league, players and coaches mingling with fans, they failed on both sides of the New York move.[/quote]

    That was part of the problem, but when Elway, Jones and Bon Jovi (Jaworski) got involved the spearheaded rule changes that long time fans hated. The bigest one being the move away from Iron Man football. Once a player no longer had to play both ways it changed the game for the worse. Also the league was founded every player made $500 per game and $500 to each player of the winning team. At the end the salaries out paced the revenue.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2009 at 4:38 pm |

    [quote]The only sign of homosexuality is having sex with members of the same sex (that’s an awkward phrase) and even then it’s just kind of a clue.[/quote]

    pretty big fuckin clue

    /back from the game, obviously…second shut out i’ve seen this season (and i’ve been to…wait for it…two games this year)

    clearly the mets need to hire me and give me tix to every game, they’ll go undefeated and have a 0.00 era at home

    //thanks paul, for the hook up! i had a blast!

  • JimV19 | August 5, 2009 at 4:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”344099″][quote comment=”344095″][quote comment=”344085″][quote comment=”344082″][quote comment=”344065″][quote comment=”344052″]
    I was looking to see if there’s a Rugby Super League (the top US league) team near you. I don’t think there is but I’m terrible with geography.

    It looks like the RSL final was shown on espn360.com and may be in the archive there. If you do look for rugby on espn360 remember that Rugby League (which is most of what they have on espn360) is quite different than Rugby Union. The two play under different laws (rules) with Union being the more popular. Rugby League is sort of the Arena Football of rugby (fewer players per side, liberalized rules to enhance scoring etc.)

    If that’s not complicated enough here in the US teams in the Rugby Super League play by Rugby Union laws.[/quote]

    The closest team would be in DC. I drove there for a Nats game, why not rugby (especially if I can catch a DC United match in the same trip)?

  • trevor | August 5, 2009 at 4:45 pm |

    I’m going to be a first year elementary teacher and our school theme this fall is zebras. I am wondering if anyone knew of any NFL/NCAA football/NHL referee posters/stickers/graphics or other resources I can purchase/download? Thanks.

  • Paul Lukas | August 5, 2009 at 4:46 pm |

    Just back from Shea. For those who haven’t found it yet, today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    And yes, Bill Simmons was there too. No, I didn’t know. And neither did my editor….

  • Berto | August 5, 2009 at 4:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”344105″][quote]The only sign of homosexuality is having sex with members of the same sex (that’s an awkward phrase) and even then it’s just kind of a clue.[/quote]

    pretty big fuckin clue

    /back from the game, obviously…second shut out i’ve seen this season (and i’ve been to…wait for it…two games this year)

    clearly the mets need to hire me and give me tix to every game, they’ll go undefeated and have a 0.00 era at home

    //thanks paul, for the hook up! i had a blast![/quote]

    Pretty big clue, but not always conclusive.

  • Teebz | August 5, 2009 at 4:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”344107″]I’m going to be a first year elementary teacher and our school theme this fall is zebras. I am wondering if anyone knew of any NFL/NCAA football/NHL referee posters/stickers/graphics or other resources I can purchase/download? Thanks.[/quote]

    The NHL Officials website might be able to help you.

  • JimV19 | August 5, 2009 at 4:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”344103″][quote comment=”344099″][quote comment=”344095″][quote comment=”344085″][quote comment=”344082″][quote comment=”344065″][quote comment=”344052″]The Akron Rugby club is a DIII club which is pretty industrial grade.

    I did find these DI and DII clubs in Ohio. If one is near by you may want to check out a game.

    http://www.wolfhound...

    http://www.daytonrug...

    http://sciotorugby.c...

    Those are all on the other side of Columbus. Ohio doesn’t look like a big state but that’s a long drive through some flat land. Chances are I’d see a game in DC much sooner. Thanks for doing the research, though.

    At least Akron’s club is industrial grade. The city itself is kind of post-industrial grade…

  • M.Princip | August 5, 2009 at 4:56 pm |

    After reading over some of the posts regarding the AFL(Arena Football League). I was thinking that their best bet, for this next go around to succeed, is to be more of a kid friendly game and have a league where games are exclusively played on say the Noggin Channel? You might have to take away some of the AFL’s local team sponsors such as the casinos, alcohol, and Hooters type establishments? But, think about setting up a trampoline right around the 20 yard line? Really, 15 yard flight into the endzone would be just as cool as scoring 100 points a game.

  • Jeremy Brahm | August 5, 2009 at 4:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”344057″]This web site is going on hiatus? Cue the sound of Jeremy Brahm’s head exploding…[/quote]

    Actually, there isn’t much going on in Japan right now. The National high school tournament starts soon. I’ve got a couple columns that I have already written for later, which will just have to wait.

    Plus, my photos will be fine to wait for a couple of weeks anyways. Better for the job search right now.

  • M.Princip | August 5, 2009 at 5:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”344108″]Just back from Shea. For those who haven’t found it yet, today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    And yes, Bill Simmons was there too. No, I didn’t know. And neither did my editor….[/quote]

    Ahhhhh….thank you Paul. This is what I’m feelin’; the Sports Antiques Roadshow. Make it happen ESPN.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 5:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”344101″][quote comment=”344054″][quote comment=”344051″]I don’t know about that. They sure seemed to be rsaching higher than they could grasp in recent years, such as moving the Iowa Barnstormers to New York without any plan for actually making inroads in that crowded market.

    In fact, the New York Dragons could be the perfect example of the AFL’s mismanagement.[/quote]

    Dunno, they were always trying to get something established in New York. Any league wants a NY presence, if possible. At least two teams tried it, didn’t they? Knights and…Red Dogs or something?

    Just cuz the league attempted it one more time isn’t necessarily a sign of mismanagement. And the Dragons did last til the end, right? I mean, they didn’t fall on their faces exactly. Weren’t boffo, but weren’t totally a bust, either.

    And sometimes it isn’t about attendance, it’s about believing that out of a monstrous market you ought to be able to draw enough TV viewers to get a decent rating when you’re on the network.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    But in chasing that major market, they tossed aside what was by all accounts reportedly a devoted fanbase in a smaller one.

    Then when they got that major market, they were invisible. I never saw a single billboard, commercial or ad for the Dragons in this city. They were never mentioned on the 11 o’clock news, nor were they anywhere to be found in the papers.

    If the whole point of the AFL was to create a fan-friendly community-based league, players and coaches mingling with fans, they failed on both sides of the New York move.[/quote]

    Did AFL arbitrarilly jerk the Barnstormers out of Iowa? I thought the owners were losing interest and no longer inclined to put more money into the team.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 5:08 pm |

    Jim Rome today talked about the new Cowboys’ stadium. In the luxury boxes, a pizza goes for 90 bucks.

    And people say the gap between the rich and the rest of us isn’t getting bigger every day.

    —Ricko

  • aflfan | August 5, 2009 at 5:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”344115″][quote comment=”344101″][quote comment=”344054″][quote comment=”344051″]I don’t know about that. They sure seemed to be rsaching higher than they could grasp in recent years, such as moving the Iowa Barnstormers to New York without any plan for actually making inroads in that crowded market.

    In fact, the New York Dragons could be the perfect example of the AFL’s mismanagement.[/quote]

    Dunno, they were always trying to get something established in New York. Any league wants a NY presence, if possible. At least two teams tried it, didn’t they? Knights and…Red Dogs or something?

    Just cuz the league attempted it one more time isn’t necessarily a sign of mismanagement. And the Dragons did last til the end, right? I mean, they didn’t fall on their faces exactly. Weren’t boffo, but weren’t totally a bust, either.

    And sometimes it isn’t about attendance, it’s about believing that out of a monstrous market you ought to be able to draw enough TV viewers to get a decent rating when you’re on the network.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    But in chasing that major market, they tossed aside what was by all accounts reportedly a devoted fanbase in a smaller one.

    Then when they got that major market, they were invisible. I never saw a single billboard, commercial or ad for the Dragons in this city. They were never mentioned on the 11 o’clock news, nor were they anywhere to be found in the papers.

    If the whole point of the AFL was to create a fan-friendly community-based league, players and coaches mingling with fans, they failed on both sides of the New York move.[/quote]

    Did AFL arbitrarilly jerk the Barnstormers out of Iowa? I thought the owners were losing interest and no longer inclined to put more money into the team.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    One of the reasons they left Iowa was the facility was poor. All the seats were along the sidelines and the Barnstromers owners wanted a new facility but were not going to get one. The AF2 Barnstormers play in a new building.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 5:12 pm |

    Thanks. Knew it was something other than, “We’re jerking the franchise and moving it to New York.”

  • Hott Rodd | August 5, 2009 at 5:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”344116″]Jim Rome today talked about the new Cowboys’ stadium. In the luxury boxes, a pizza goes for 90 bucks.

    And people say the gap between the rich and the rest of us isn’t getting bigger every day.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s funny cuz, the guy from nebraska writes that it is a $90 pizza, and the guy from dallas writes that it is a $60 pizza and every one fixates on the higher number. Not to say that a $60 pizza is any better, but when a personal pizza costs 10 bucks, a 20 incher for $60 sound like it a bout the right ratio. Oh and apparently the “no toppings” bit is hogwash too.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 5:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”344119″][quote comment=”344116″]Jim Rome today talked about the new Cowboys’ stadium. In the luxury boxes, a pizza goes for 90 bucks.

    And people say the gap between the rich and the rest of us isn’t getting bigger every day.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s funny cuz, the guy from nebraska writes that it is a $90 pizza, and the guy from dallas writes that it is a $60 pizza and every one fixates on the higher number. Not to say that a $60 pizza is any better, but when a personal pizza costs 10 bucks, a 20 incher for $60 sound like it a bout the right ratio. Oh and apparently the “no toppings” bit is hogwash too.[/quote]

    Even at $60, better be a helluva pizza.

  • Teebz | August 5, 2009 at 5:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”344120″][quote comment=”344119″][quote comment=”344116″]Jim Rome today talked about the new Cowboys’ stadium. In the luxury boxes, a pizza goes for 90 bucks.

    And people say the gap between the rich and the rest of us isn’t getting bigger every day.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s funny cuz, the guy from nebraska writes that it is a $90 pizza, and the guy from dallas writes that it is a $60 pizza and every one fixates on the higher number. Not to say that a $60 pizza is any better, but when a personal pizza costs 10 bucks, a 20 incher for $60 sound like it a bout the right ratio. Oh and apparently the “no toppings” bit is hogwash too.[/quote]

    Even at $60, better be a helluva pizza.[/quote]

    Rick, if you can afford the $125,000 price tag for the luxury box, $60 is pocket change. LOL

  • aflfan | August 5, 2009 at 5:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”344119″][quote comment=”344116″]Jim Rome today talked about the new Cowboys’ stadium. In the luxury boxes, a pizza goes for 90 bucks.

    And people say the gap between the rich and the rest of us isn’t getting bigger every day.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s funny cuz, the guy from nebraska writes that it is a $90 pizza, and the guy from dallas writes that it is a $60 pizza and every one fixates on the higher number. Not to say that a $60 pizza is any better, but when a personal pizza costs 10 bucks, a 20 incher for $60 sound like it a bout the right ratio. Oh and apparently the “no toppings” bit is hogwash too.[/quote]

    $60 dollars for a pizza is still WAY to much.

  • Matt Brosseau | August 5, 2009 at 5:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”344076″][quote comment=”344064″]I have a Marty Havlat Blackhawks T-shirt jersey (I don’t like t-shirt jerseys but it was a Christmas present so I make due.) Since Havlat is now gone is there any way to remove the name on the back without completely ruining it? I want to turn it into a Bob Probert one.[/quote]

    No. It’s silk-screened on. There’s not much you can do except hockey-tape-and-sharpie.[/quote]

    If you were really good with a sewing machine, you could cut out the HAVLAT “nameplate” with a little extra material on each side (since PROBERT) has one extra letter) and then either a) letter PROBERT on the back of the HAVLAT “nameplate” and sew it back in, or b) cut another same-color piece of cotton and letter it PROBERT and sew it back in.

    It wouldn’t look 100% as good as the original, but it’s a DIY. But if you were really skilled and left most of the stitches on the inside of the T-shirt you could probably pull this off.

  • aflfan | August 5, 2009 at 5:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”344121″][quote comment=”344120″][quote comment=”344119″][quote comment=”344116″]Jim Rome today talked about the new Cowboys’ stadium. In the luxury boxes, a pizza goes for 90 bucks.

    And people say the gap between the rich and the rest of us isn’t getting bigger every day.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s funny cuz, the guy from nebraska writes that it is a $90 pizza, and the guy from dallas writes that it is a $60 pizza and every one fixates on the higher number. Not to say that a $60 pizza is any better, but when a personal pizza costs 10 bucks, a 20 incher for $60 sound like it a bout the right ratio. Oh and apparently the “no toppings” bit is hogwash too.[/quote]

    Even at $60, better be a helluva pizza.[/quote]

    Rick, if you can afford the $125,000 price tag for the luxury box, $60 is pocket change. LOL[/quote]

    And the $125,000 doesn’t include tickets to the game.

  • Hott Rodd | August 5, 2009 at 5:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”344120″][quote comment=”344119″][quote comment=”344116″]Jim Rome today talked about the new Cowboys’ stadium. In the luxury boxes, a pizza goes for 90 bucks.

    And people say the gap between the rich and the rest of us isn’t getting bigger every day.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s funny cuz, the guy from nebraska writes that it is a $90 pizza, and the guy from dallas writes that it is a $60 pizza and every one fixates on the higher number. Not to say that a $60 pizza is any better, but when a personal pizza costs 10 bucks, a 20 incher for $60 sound like it a bout the right ratio. Oh and apparently the “no toppings” bit is hogwash too.[/quote]

    Even at $60, better be a helluva pizza.[/quote]

    Yeah, I understand that, but it is no different anywhere else. I was at Qualcomm last year for a preseason game and beers were $9 for a 16oz. Same goes for UoP here in Phoenix. Now I can go to the supermarket and get a 12 pack of bud light for $9.99 (144oz) and I can go to the local pizza place and drop $10 on a large 1 topping (14-16 in). But you pay the inflated prices at the ballpark, because it is there. Or you don’t pay it.

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 5:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”344121″][quote comment=”344120″][quote comment=”344119″][quote comment=”344116″]Jim Rome today talked about the new Cowboys’ stadium. In the luxury boxes, a pizza goes for 90 bucks.

    And people say the gap between the rich and the rest of us isn’t getting bigger every day.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s funny cuz, the guy from nebraska writes that it is a $90 pizza, and the guy from dallas writes that it is a $60 pizza and every one fixates on the higher number. Not to say that a $60 pizza is any better, but when a personal pizza costs 10 bucks, a 20 incher for $60 sound like it a bout the right ratio. Oh and apparently the “no toppings” bit is hogwash too.[/quote]

    Even at $60, better be a helluva pizza.[/quote]

    Rick, if you can afford the $125,000 price tag for the luxury box, $60 is pocket change. LOL[/quote]

    I realize that. Having spent three years dating a woman with tons of money, I know for many of them it makes them feel good to overpay. Reinforces their sense of superiority.

    —Ricko

  • bartusball | August 5, 2009 at 5:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”343989″][quote comment=”343975″]I really sounded a bit harsh here(Good riddance!), in regards to the AFL and it’s demise. Just want to elaborate a bit, since, I didn’t get the chance to respond yesterday, for anyone who cares.

    I simply felt the game, and how it(the rules) were altered, depreciated the sport and really dumbed it down by way of excessive offensive scoring, indoor padded surfacing, and most importantly grotesque(most, not all) team uniforms. Everytime I attempted to watch a game I just couldn’t help but laugh and feel disconcerted. Sort of reminded me of Ben Stiller’s Dodgeball, or, American Gladiator reruns………….or, the way say a Nickelback song makes me feel;i.e. mentally and audibly violated.

    So, I raise my coffee cup, to all of those who made a living in the AFL, in hopes that they find real jobs fufilling and respectful with something more original, cerebral, and unmolested.[/quote]

    I was at ArenaBowl I, and I am saddened by the league’s demise.[/quote]

    I was a Arena Bowl I as well!!! You mean my souvenier program is now worthless?!? I was hoping to put my kids through College with the proceeds of the sale!!! Now what am I going to do??? ;-)

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2009 at 5:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”344108″]Just back from Shea. For those who haven’t found it yet, today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    And yes, Bill Simmons was there too. No, I didn’t know. And neither did my editor….[/quote]

    nice column

    you should have politely informed the gentleman in your video segment the ’51 “shot heard round the world” was NOT a one game playoff, as he told you

    that shit bothers me

  • Hott Rodd | August 5, 2009 at 5:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”344128″][quote comment=”344108″]Just back from Shea. For those who haven’t found it yet, today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    And yes, Bill Simmons was there too. No, I didn’t know. And neither did my editor….[/quote]

    nice column

    you should have politely informed the gentleman in your video segment the ’51 “shot heard round the world” was NOT a one game playoff, as he told you

    that shit bothers me[/quote]

    Phil is in a feisty mood. Two posts, Two curse words.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2009 at 5:29 pm |

    [quote]Phil is in a feisty mood. Two posts, Two curse words.[/quote]

    sorry bro

    i just got completely soaked in a 2 minute downpour…and my ICIS shirt is wet

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 5:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”344125″][quote comment=”344120″][quote comment=”344119″][quote comment=”344116″]Jim Rome today talked about the new Cowboys’ stadium. In the luxury boxes, a pizza goes for 90 bucks.

    And people say the gap between the rich and the rest of us isn’t getting bigger every day.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s funny cuz, the guy from nebraska writes that it is a $90 pizza, and the guy from dallas writes that it is a $60 pizza and every one fixates on the higher number. Not to say that a $60 pizza is any better, but when a personal pizza costs 10 bucks, a 20 incher for $60 sound like it a bout the right ratio. Oh and apparently the “no toppings” bit is hogwash too.[/quote]

    Even at $60, better be a helluva pizza.[/quote]

    Yeah, I understand that, but it is no different anywhere else. I was at Qualcomm last year for a preseason game and beers were $9 for a 16oz. Same goes for UoP here in Phoenix. Now I can go to the supermarket and get a 12 pack of bud light for $9.99 (144oz) and I can go to the local pizza place and drop $10 on a large 1 topping (14-16 in). But you pay the inflated prices at the ballpark, because it is there. Or you don’t pay it.[/quote]

    Yeah, it’s a seller’s market. No kidding. I get that. Wasn’t my point. My point was that for some people that’s what they’ll pay, no sweat. But for a lot more people—and more every day it seems—it’s not only ridiculous, it’s virtually impossible…in the context of their daily lives.

    —Ricko

  • Berto | August 5, 2009 at 5:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”344124″][quote comment=”344121″][quote comment=”344120″][quote comment=”344119″][quote comment=”344116″]Jim Rome today talked about the new Cowboys’ stadium. In the luxury boxes, a pizza goes for 90 bucks.

    And people say the gap between the rich and the rest of us isn’t getting bigger every day.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s funny cuz, the guy from nebraska writes that it is a $90 pizza, and the guy from dallas writes that it is a $60 pizza and every one fixates on the higher number. Not to say that a $60 pizza is any better, but when a personal pizza costs 10 bucks, a 20 incher for $60 sound like it a bout the right ratio. Oh and apparently the “no toppings” bit is hogwash too.[/quote]

    Even at $60, better be a helluva pizza.[/quote]

    Rick, if you can afford the $125,000 price tag for the luxury box, $60 is pocket change. LOL[/quote]

    And the $125,000 doesn’t include tickets to the game.[/quote]

    Wait, what? So you pay for the box but you have to get game tix separate? Is that joke I’m missing?

  • rpm | August 5, 2009 at 5:37 pm |

    ricko!

    thank you so much man, the flannel actually fits too! home and road “cardinals”! wisconsin cheese?!!! awesome.

    jimother
    when i find a hat to put it on, i will have best hat ever.

    the two of you have brought a little sunshine into what is always the worst day of my week…stats league ump (6:30-11:30 or so), then data input(12:00-5:00am) for the biggest clowns ever to play ball. i can not thank you guys enough!!!(but will try my hardest to do so)

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 5:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”344133″]ricko!

    thank you so much man, the flannel actually fits too! home and road “cardinals”! wisconsin cheese?!!! awesome.

    jimother
    when i find a hat to put it on, i will have best hat ever.

    the two of you have brought a little sunshine into what is always the worst day of my week…stats league ump (6:30-11:30 or so), then data input(12:00-5:00am) for the biggest clowns ever to play ball. i can not thank you guys enough!!!(but will try my hardest to do so)[/quote]

    Hey, glad the stuff showed up. Thought you’d like Wisconsin Cheese. Those flannels heavy enough for you? LOL

    Don’t know where that Arrowhead #73 is from. Say it’s an old Canadian high school jersey for a wideout ;)

    Hope you can make one of the powder blues work,too. Even if bunched up and belted and shirtail out. Give you some playoff juice.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 5:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”344132″][quote comment=”344124″][quote comment=”344121″][quote comment=”344120″][quote comment=”344119″][quote comment=”344116″]Jim Rome today talked about the new Cowboys’ stadium. In the luxury boxes, a pizza goes for 90 bucks.

    And people say the gap between the rich and the rest of us isn’t getting bigger every day.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s funny cuz, the guy from nebraska writes that it is a $90 pizza, and the guy from dallas writes that it is a $60 pizza and every one fixates on the higher number. Not to say that a $60 pizza is any better, but when a personal pizza costs 10 bucks, a 20 incher for $60 sound like it a bout the right ratio. Oh and apparently the “no toppings” bit is hogwash too.[/quote]

    Even at $60, better be a helluva pizza.[/quote]

    Rick, if you can afford the $125,000 price tag for the luxury box, $60 is pocket change. LOL[/quote]

    And the $125,000 doesn’t include tickets to the game.[/quote]

    Wait, what? So you pay for the box but you have to get game tix separate? Is that joke I’m missing?[/quote]

    Game tickets are not part of cost of luxury box, that way just about everywhere.

  • M.Princip | August 5, 2009 at 5:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”344112″]After reading over some of the posts regarding the AFL(Arena Football League). I was thinking that their best bet, for this next go around to succeed, is to be more of a kid friendly game and have a league where games are exclusively played on say the Noggin Channel? You might have to take away some of the AFL’s local team sponsors such as the casinos, alcohol, and Hooters type establishments? But, think about setting up a trampoline right around the 20 yard line? Really, 15 yard flight into the endzone would be just as cool as scoring 100 points a game.[/quote]

    Trampoline at the 25 yard line to the other trampoline at the 15 and fly into the endzone would be sweet. You get some gymnastics involved, could make for an interesting extra point.

    Sorry, thinking as I write my proposal to Noggin.

  • Berto | August 5, 2009 at 5:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”344135″][quote comment=”344132″][quote comment=”344124″][quote comment=”344121″][quote comment=”344120″][quote comment=”344119″][quote comment=”344116″]Jim Rome today talked about the new Cowboys’ stadium. In the luxury boxes, a pizza goes for 90 bucks.

    And people say the gap between the rich and the rest of us isn’t getting bigger every day.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s funny cuz, the guy from nebraska writes that it is a $90 pizza, and the guy from dallas writes that it is a $60 pizza and every one fixates on the higher number. Not to say that a $60 pizza is any better, but when a personal pizza costs 10 bucks, a 20 incher for $60 sound like it a bout the right ratio. Oh and apparently the “no toppings” bit is hogwash too.[/quote]

    Even at $60, better be a helluva pizza.[/quote]

    Rick, if you can afford the $125,000 price tag for the luxury box, $60 is pocket change. LOL[/quote]

    And the $125,000 doesn’t include tickets to the game.[/quote]

    Wait, what? So you pay for the box but you have to get game tix separate? Is that joke I’m missing?[/quote]

    Game tickets are not part of cost of luxury box, that way just about everywhere.[/quote]

    I guess I never looked into it. Huh. So it’s like a PSL thing then? You’re buying the right to buy a ticket? How much are the tix after you pay for the box? Like bleacher seat price or dugout seat price?

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 5:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”344136″][quote comment=”344112″]After reading over some of the posts regarding the AFL(Arena Football League). I was thinking that their best bet, for this next go around to succeed, is to be more of a kid friendly game and have a league where games are exclusively played on say the Noggin Channel? You might have to take away some of the AFL’s local team sponsors such as the casinos, alcohol, and Hooters type establishments? But, think about setting up a trampoline right around the 20 yard line? Really, 15 yard flight into the endzone would be just as cool as scoring 100 points a game.[/quote]

    Trampoline at the 25 yard line to the other trampoline at the 15 and fly into the endzone would be sweet. You get some gymnastics involved, could make for an interesting extra point.

    Sorry, thinking as I write my proposal to Noggin.[/quote]

    Yet, some people apparently think watching couch potatoes play Madden is great sports TV (or Texas Hold ‘Em, for that matter).

    Go figure.

    —Ricko

  • rpm | August 5, 2009 at 5:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”344134″][quote comment=”344133″]ricko!

    thank you so much man, the flannel actually fits too! home and road “cardinals”! wisconsin cheese?!!! awesome.

    jimother
    when i find a hat to put it on, i will have best hat ever.

    the two of you have brought a little sunshine into what is always the worst day of my week…stats league ump (6:30-11:30 or so), then data input(12:00-5:00am) for the biggest clowns ever to play ball. i can not thank you guys enough!!!(but will try my hardest to do so)[/quote]

    Hey, glad the stuff showed up. Thought you’d like Wisconsin Cheese. Those flannels heavy enough for you? LOL

    Don’t know where that Arrowhead #73 is from. Say it’s an old Canadian high school jersey for a wideout ;)

    Hope you can make one of the powder blues work,too. Even if bunched up and belted and shirtail out. Give you some playoff juice.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    yeah, they are heavy, don’t know how people played in that. might not be the best for july/august, but perfect for september/october ball in chicago. then again, my olde bones like to sweat when i play.

    i will wear that canadian flanker jersey with pride. perhaps every time the vikings play the bears, and i feel the need to go to bernice’s tavern to watch the game:)

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 6:04 pm |

    Mets wore black today.
    Obviously they didn’t know Paul and Phil were going to be there.

  • aflfan | August 5, 2009 at 6:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”344132″][quote comment=”344124″][quote comment=”344121″][quote comment=”344120″][quote comment=”344119″][quote comment=”344116″]Jim Rome today talked about the new Cowboys’ stadium. In the luxury boxes, a pizza goes for 90 bucks.

    And people say the gap between the rich and the rest of us isn’t getting bigger every day.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s funny cuz, the guy from nebraska writes that it is a $90 pizza, and the guy from dallas writes that it is a $60 pizza and every one fixates on the higher number. Not to say that a $60 pizza is any better, but when a personal pizza costs 10 bucks, a 20 incher for $60 sound like it a bout the right ratio. Oh and apparently the “no toppings” bit is hogwash too.[/quote]

    Even at $60, better be a helluva pizza.[/quote]

    Rick, if you can afford the $125,000 price tag for the luxury box, $60 is pocket change. LOL[/quote]

    And the $125,000 doesn’t include tickets to the game.[/quote]

    Wait, what? So you pay for the box but you have to get game tix separate? Is that joke I’m missing?[/quote]

    Nope, that is what I heard on Rome and I read it somewhere else as well. Can’t remember where.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2009 at 6:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”344140″]Mets wore black today.
    Obviously they didn’t know Paul and Phil were going to be there.[/quote]

    as paul and i were walking into the game, i jokingly said something along the lines of “you don’t think they’ll wear black today” (since it’s charlie samuels’ wont to dress them in black on getaway days

    it being 90+ degrees, paul was like “are you nuts”?

    sure enough, as we entered the gladatorial arena from the concourse…there they were, in their all black splendor

    jesus

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 6:13 pm |

    So Teebz is planning on coming to Twin Cities weekend of the Pond Hockey Tournament, Feb. 22-24. Moved to Lake Minnetonka for 2010.

    Maybe, in addition to a social gathering, we UWers could go out and check out the unique and inventive sweaters.

    The first Uni Watch Winter Classic?
    (I think we need a logo)

    —Ricko

  • Berto | August 5, 2009 at 6:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”344141″][quote comment=”344132″][quote comment=”344124″][quote comment=”344121″][quote comment=”344120″][quote comment=”344119″][quote comment=”344116″]Jim Rome today talked about the new Cowboys’ stadium. In the luxury boxes, a pizza goes for 90 bucks.

    And people say the gap between the rich and the rest of us isn’t getting bigger every day.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s funny cuz, the guy from nebraska writes that it is a $90 pizza, and the guy from dallas writes that it is a $60 pizza and every one fixates on the higher number. Not to say that a $60 pizza is any better, but when a personal pizza costs 10 bucks, a 20 incher for $60 sound like it a bout the right ratio. Oh and apparently the “no toppings” bit is hogwash too.[/quote]

    Even at $60, better be a helluva pizza.[/quote]

    Rick, if you can afford the $125,000 price tag for the luxury box, $60 is pocket change. LOL[/quote]

    And the $125,000 doesn’t include tickets to the game.[/quote]

    Wait, what? So you pay for the box but you have to get game tix separate? Is that joke I’m missing?[/quote]

    Nope, that is what I heard on Rome and I read it somewhere else as well. Can’t remember where.[/quote]

    I just did a quick search on this topic and found a site selling a single game 16 seat luxury box package for 56K. Mamma mia!

  • BurghFan | August 5, 2009 at 6:22 pm |

    I remember the old Pittsburgh Triangles, think they won a title in the mid 70s.

    They beat the Golden Gaters in 1975. In the same building where the first arena football game and ArenaBowl I were played. (Those were the only two Arenaball games I ever attended.)

  • Hibbsy | August 5, 2009 at 6:26 pm |

    I have never been a fan of the singular nicknames.
    I wasn’t happy with the Lightning using a false name like “Bolts” on their sweaters, but I like the name Tampa Bay Bolts much better than Tampa Bay Lightning.
    The Wild just might be the worst I’ve ever heard. It’s as bad as the Atlanta Crunk.
    As far as college is concerned, I don’t mind the singulars so much. Maybe it’s because so many of them are historical, or maybe because nicknames don’t mean as much in college. I’m not saying that they don’t mean anything. They just aren’t emphasized as much. The school’s name usually takes top billing.
    How many of us say, “The Trojans are playing the Fighting Irish on Saturday.”
    Know what I’m saying, see what I’m saying, know what I’m saying?

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 6:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”344146″]I have never been a fan of the singular nicknames.
    I wasn’t happy with the Lightning using a false name like “Bolts” on their sweaters, but I like the name Tampa Bay Bolts much better than Tampa Bay Lightning.
    The Wild just might be the worst I’ve ever heard. It’s as bad as the Atlanta Crunk.
    As far as college is concerned, I don’t mind the singulars so much. Maybe it’s because so many of them are historical, or maybe because nicknames don’t mean as much in college. I’m not saying that they don’t mean anything. They just aren’t emphasized as much. The school’s name usually takes top billing.
    How many of us say, “The Trojans are playing the Fighting Irish on Saturday.”
    Know what I’m saying, see what I’m saying, know what I’m saying?[/quote]

    Yup. Is kinda hard to woof at Crimson Tide when it goes back so far, isn’t it.

  • Berto | August 5, 2009 at 6:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”344147″][quote comment=”344146″]I have never been a fan of the singular nicknames.
    I wasn’t happy with the Lightning using a false name like “Bolts” on their sweaters, but I like the name Tampa Bay Bolts much better than Tampa Bay Lightning.
    The Wild just might be the worst I’ve ever heard. It’s as bad as the Atlanta Crunk.
    As far as college is concerned, I don’t mind the singulars so much. Maybe it’s because so many of them are historical, or maybe because nicknames don’t mean as much in college. I’m not saying that they don’t mean anything. They just aren’t emphasized as much. The school’s name usually takes top billing.
    How many of us say, “The Trojans are playing the Fighting Irish on Saturday.”
    Know what I’m saying, see what I’m saying, know what I’m saying?[/quote]

    Yup. Is kinda hard to woof at Crimson Tide when it goes back so far, isn’t it.[/quote]

    Go Wave!

    http://www.pepperdin...

    http://3.bp.blogspot...

  • Berto | August 5, 2009 at 6:45 pm |

    Oops. Looks like Pepperdine does employ the -s.

    Go Green Wave!

    http://collegesports...

  • Hibbsy | August 5, 2009 at 6:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”344149″]Oops. Looks like Pepperdine does employ the -s.

    Go Green Wave!

    http://collegesports...

    Go
    Thundering Herd, Crimson Tide, Green Wave, Golden Hurricane!
    Do they all include adjectives?
    Stanford doesn’t.

  • Teebz | August 5, 2009 at 7:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”344143″]So Teebz is planning on coming to Twin Cities weekend of the Pond Hockey Tournament, Feb. 22-24. Moved to Lake Minnetonka for 2010.

    Maybe, in addition to a social gathering, we UWers could go out and check out the unique and inventive sweaters.

    The first Uni Watch Winter Classic?
    (I think we need a logo)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’m in.

    Wait, you already mentioned that? Dammit. LOL

  • Paul G | August 5, 2009 at 7:26 pm |

    has anything been mentioned on here about the Phillies not wearing their WS Champs patch? noticed they’re missing tonight

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 7:39 pm |

    Gotta admire Plaxico Burress.

    Willing to take punishment rather than reveal his secret, his true calling: Millionaire playboy by day, crimefighter by night.

    Or did he already use that one? I haven’t read every account.

  • Jerry | August 5, 2009 at 7:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”343962″]Re: NFL team names & relos

    I felt that Tennessee missed a great opportunity when it came to naming their team. They recycled an old name from AFL days, Titans, which worked great in NY as a counter point to the Giants.(Never understood that Jets changeover). I was holding out for “Studs”. Great song, great shoe manufacturer, great nickname! Imagine the logo possibilities, instead of that thing they have now. But nobody asked me.[/quote]

    The Tennessee Titans were so named because Nashville is nicknamed the “Athens of the South.”

    “That thing” is a dagger like the one the Titans fought with in “The Odyessy”

  • =bg= | August 5, 2009 at 8:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”343972″][quote comment=”343970″][quote]Paul and Phil: hope you can get out there and enjoy some day baseball today. Have fun with that.[/quote]

    as long as sean green doesn’t get into the game we will

    92 degrees and sunny…couldn’t ask for a better day to play hookey from work and take in a game!

    [quote]Also, enjoy the time off. The timing really is great. It’s August and it’s the calm before the storm with football. You guys both do crazy great jobs for this site.[/quote]

    thanks doug…paul does all the heavy lifting around here, but i can’t say i can argue with the decision…good time to recharge the batteries and such…

    should i wear a blue polo and a bosox cap today, or just stick with the ICIS t-shirt?[/quote]
    Red Sox hat!!!! (Just kidding of course)

    Phil, are you going to run an updated uni-tracking piece before the hiatus?[/quote]

    Day baseball? What is THAT? Goin’ to Giants game Friday nite- I am sure it will be frigid. Gotta have that Jon Miller bobble, doncha’ know. We DID have a trip to Tahoe planned for a three day weekend- scrapped it- the high tomorrow? 59!!!! Al Gore was right!!

  • Dwayne | August 5, 2009 at 8:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”343954″]It’s silly whenever the new city of a transplanted team tries to associate itself with the tradition of said team.

    As wrong as that is, it’s even worse when the new city takes everything, including the nickname and uniforms to the new city. …

    Looking ahead, it would have been far better to have left everything behind, because the Hornets and Ravens are second class logos and uniforms when compared to the past.[/quote]

    Then what would the National League baseball team in Los Angeles be called?

    San Fransisco…..?

    Atlanta……..?

    The NHL’s Calgary team?

    Just try and tell a true Dodger fan his roots started in 1958.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2009 at 8:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”344151″]
    The first Uni Watch Winter Classic?
    (I think we need a logo)[/quote]

    will this do?

    put me down (tentatively, but most assuredly very intersted) for this

  • Berto | August 5, 2009 at 8:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”344156″][quote comment=”343954″]It’s silly whenever the new city of a transplanted team tries to associate itself with the tradition of said team.

    As wrong as that is, it’s even worse when the new city takes everything, including the nickname and uniforms to the new city. …

    Looking ahead, it would have been far better to have left everything behind, because the Hornets and Ravens are second class logos and uniforms when compared to the past.[/quote]

    Then what would the National League baseball team in Los Angeles be called?

    San Fransisco…..?

    Atlanta……..?

    The NHL’s Calgary team?

    Just try and tell a true Dodger fan his roots started in 1958.[/quote]

    Finley did rename the Oakland club when thy came from KC. Once they got here they were officially the A’s and no longer the Athletics

  • aflfan | August 5, 2009 at 9:10 pm |

    Question,

    Baltimore Orioles have their city name on the front and Orioles on the right sleeve (not a patch). Does any other MLB team have both city and nickname on their jersey (not in patch form)

    http://www.baltimore...

  • leon | August 5, 2009 at 9:10 pm |

    The Tennessee Titans were so named because Nashville is nicknamed the “Athens of the South.”

    “That thing” is a dagger like the one the Titans fought with in “The Odyessy”

    Oh yeah, that dagger used by those Titans who were in Greek mythology. The country where the original Athens is located. The Athens that Nashville is considered the one of in the South.
    (Slapping head) How did I miss that?
    btw, do the ones in Tennessee represent the male titans or the female ones?
    Christ, could that be any more obscure?

  • Jerry | August 5, 2009 at 9:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”344160″]The Tennessee Titans were so named because Nashville is nicknamed the “Athens of the South.”

    “That thing” is a dagger like the one the Titans fought with in “The Odyessy”

    Oh yeah, that dagger used by those Titans who were in Greek mythology. The country where the original Athens is located. The Athens that Nashville is considered the one of in the South.
    (Slapping head) How did I miss that?
    btw, do the ones in Tennessee represent the male titans or the female ones?
    Christ, could that be any more obscure?[/quote]

    Should do a little research before ripping on a team nickname, at least know why they were named as they were, instead of ASSuming.

    Nashville even has a full-size replicia of the Parthenon.

  • LI Phil | August 5, 2009 at 9:31 pm |

    [quote]Nashville even has a full-size replicia of the Parthenon[/quote]

    that’s one of the clubs shaq visited, yes?

  • JTH | August 5, 2009 at 9:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”344154″]”That thing” is a dagger like the one the Titans fought with in “The Odyessy”[/quote]
    Sometimes my kids fight with something like that in the back of my Odyssey.

  • JimV19 | August 5, 2009 at 10:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”344133″]ricko!

    thank you so much man, the flannel actually fits too! home and road “cardinals”! wisconsin cheese?!!! awesome.

    jimother
    when i find a hat to put it on, i will have best hat ever.

    the two of you have brought a little sunshine into what is always the worst day of my week…stats league ump (6:30-11:30 or so), then data input(12:00-5:00am) for the biggest clowns ever to play ball. i can not thank you guys enough!!!(but will try my hardest to do so)[/quote]

    Glad you like the patch. I want to see pics of that hat when you find one. Hmm, you should make a matching t-shirt to go with it…

  • Mike Miller | August 5, 2009 at 10:44 pm |

    AAHHHHHHH!

    This week’s edition of “ze goggles, dey do nothing!”

    Seattle Sounders in their lime green vs. Barcalona in some type of day-glo salmon color. That’s the sound of your HD tuner breaking.

  • JimV19 | August 5, 2009 at 10:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”344159″]Question,

    Baltimore Orioles have their city name on the front and Orioles on the right sleeve (not a patch). Does any other MLB team have both city and nickname on their jersey (not in patch form)

    http://www.baltimore...

    Apparently the Braves do, or did. At least the guy in this video http://www.youtube.c... has a jersey with city and nickname. And by the way, I REALLY want a game like the one he has!

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 10:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”344161″][quote comment=”344160″]The Tennessee Titans were so named because Nashville is nicknamed the “Athens of the South.”

    “That thing” is a dagger like the one the Titans fought with in “The Odyessy”

    Oh yeah, that dagger used by those Titans who were in Greek mythology. The country where the original Athens is located. The Athens that Nashville is considered the one of in the South.
    (Slapping head) How did I miss that?
    btw, do the ones in Tennessee represent the male titans or the female ones?
    Christ, could that be any more obscure?[/quote]

    Should do a little research before ripping on a team nickname, at least know why they were named as they were, instead of ASSuming.

    Nashville even has a full-size replicia of the Parthenon.[/quote]

    And—and this is not widely known—Aristotle’s first name was Jim Ed.

  • Komet17 | August 5, 2009 at 11:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”344024″]Re: World Team Tennis names

    I am heartened that Philadelphia is called “Freedoms” the plural form and not “Freedom”. Don’t like singular names:
    Fire
    Avalanche
    Lightning
    Hurricane
    Tide
    Wave
    Sun

    Bleck![/quote]

    Wait–where did the “Bleck” play?

  • Ricko | August 5, 2009 at 11:10 pm |

    In case you didn’t see Denard Span’s catch on Sunday…
    http://minnesota.twi...

    —Ricko

  • JTH | August 5, 2009 at 11:25 pm |

    I’m loving the Bears training camp reports. Every time a player is interviewed, there are so many microphones in front of him that the advertising patch is completely obscured.

  • Berto | August 5, 2009 at 11:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”344168″][quote comment=”344024″]Re: World Team Tennis names

    I am heartened that Philadelphia is called “Freedoms” the plural form and not “Freedom”. Don’t like singular names:
    Fire
    Avalanche
    Lightning
    Hurricane
    Tide
    Wave
    Sun

    Bleck![/quote]

    Wait–where did the “Bleck” play?[/quote]

    Didd.

  • Bill | August 6, 2009 at 12:56 am |

    I too will be sad about no longer having the AFL around. I loved the indoor game.

    The only name the Oilers should have changed to when they moved to Tennessee: Tuxedos.

  • BurghFan | August 6, 2009 at 3:03 am |

    Wait–where did the “Bleck” play?

    They still do. PNC Park.

  • MatZamboni | August 6, 2009 at 10:11 am |

    Anyone know if the North Dakota logo change is a result of ongoing pressure from Native American groups to remove the “Fighting Sioux” nickname/logo??

  • Mike Ochoa | August 7, 2009 at 12:41 am |

    The Titans practicing in the old Oilers gear is the last straw. This is finally the year when we ex-Oiler now-Texan fans get their revenge. I predict bad things for the Titans this year for having the audactity to wear Oilers gear. I take some solace in saddling the Titans with Houston-native VYoung, but it won’t stop there. Rise up Houston fans, our day is coming.