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Good Thing Everyone’s Unemployed, Because You’ll Never Get Any Work Done Once You See This

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The sentence I’m about to write will pretty much shoot your day to hell, so brace yourself: The Baseball Digest archives are now available online.

The archive goes all the way back to 1945, which means it’s a mother lode of hardball arcana. Fortunately, reader Bruce Menard has already wasted several days generously devoted some free moments to sifting through the material in search of uni-related highlights. He’s come up with some particularly interesting bits among the advertising, as you can see here:

• From the May 1960 issue: Love this baseball necktie ad.

• December 1961: Wait, forget the necktie — I’d rather have this bedspread and rug.

• July 1966: You’ve got to love an ad whose first two words are “Blow yourself…”

• December 1969: Kangaroo leather, choice of the pros.

• April 1973: Does anyone have any of these mini-sport kits?

• August 1973: I always wanted one of these magnetic team standings boards when I was a kid.

• August 1974: Is there anyone who didn’t have a team wastebasket back in the day?

That’s what Bruce came up with. Unfortunately, it’s not quite enough to suffice as a lead entry, so I had to do some actual work myself — incredible, I know — to pad out the rest of today’s entry:

• March 1970: this eyeglass holder ad appeared only eight pages away from this one. Must’ve been a headytime for the four-eyes set.

• June 1972: What as the deal with that early-’70s ad trope of using all-lowercase headlines? And hey, speaking of lowercase letters, check out the Cubs pennant shown on on this page. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that wordmark before.

• June 1974: Oh man, how great do these watches look?

• July 1980: Look closely at the cover photo — looks like Steve Trout has a slight rip in one of his socks. As for the ads, does anyone out there have any experience with Calculator Baseball?

• March 1985: I realize sex appeal can occasionally play a small role in advertising, but c’mon. (Meanwhile, check out the cover photo’s awesome view of Minnesota’s logo-emblazoned stirrups.)

And so on. It’s pretty much a bottomless time-sink once you start clicking through this stuff, so just close the office door, order a pizza, tell the wife you won’t be home until Saturday, and enjoy.

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Uni Watch News Ticker: Longtime Uni Watch pal/contributor Joe Hilseberg is offering a good Father’s Day deal in the Uni Watch Classifieds. … Man, the Nats, can’t spell anything right. That photo showed up in the comments two days ago. At first I thought it was a Photoshop job, but it’s real. It’s from last summer, though (with thanks to Peter Greenberg). … If you look thru this gallery you’ll see that Dwayne Bowe has some interesting ideas about football sock protocol (with thanks to Greg Riffenburgh). … Coupla days ago I mentioned that K-State was planning to wear an older uni design for its spring scrimmage. Thanks to Sean Kautzman, we now have photographic confirmation. … The schedule for the AFL Legacy Game throwback match-ups has been announced. Four games for Pat Patriot! … Lipscomb, a team in the Atlantic Sun Conference, wore powder blue throwbacks over the weekend, in tribute to the school’s 1979 NAIA national championship team (with thanks to Eric Moyer). … The Chicago Fire will wear white jerseys with green letters and a Chicago Fire Foundation patch for Saturday’s game against the New England Revolution. The jerseys will be auctioned off to fans at the game (with thanks to Kenn Tomasch). … Rugby news from Caleb Borchers, who writes: “The All Blacks unveiled their new kit recently. Given the iconic nature of the jersey (read: never changes), these press conferences are really much ado about nothing. They talked up the fact that they were lighter (a member of the netball team that also unveiled their new dresses said ‘Honestly, it feels like we’re wearing nothing’), but that’s the standard claim. Somewhat interestingly, they have ditched the grey alternate uniformly hated in NZ and gone back to the traditional white alternate. The alternate rarely is worn but will get a run against the nefarious French, who you might remember changed from blue to deep, dark blue, just so they could force the All Blacks to wear an alternate strip (Nike villains!). One should also respect the fact that the All Blacks still refuse a corporate sponsor on the front of the jersey, a lone beacon in the rugby world’s haze that is logo creep.” … Anyone ever notice that titan of stage and screen Dom DeLuise, who passed away yesterday, looked exactly like famous so-fat-he-needs-a-scooter chef Paul Prudhomme? … This is pretty cool. I don’t have time to track down all the versions for all the other teams, but I assume some of you do, right? (With thanks to Travis Cuomo.) … The L.A. Kings’ web site now includes a new uni history section. … Funniest thing about the Wilbur Pox scare is that it’s coinciding with the onset of allergy season. So when I let loose with a few hay fever sneezes on the subway yesterday, everyone kinda moved away to the other side of the car. Hey, more legroom for me. … This is so awesome, on so many levels (big kiss, Kirsten). … Oh man, here’s something really awesome: a set of vintage baseball-themed cake toppers. There’s another set with a slightly different design. … Here’s a weird one: a Green Bay Packers baseball jersey. … Other eBay finds: a really nice Little League uni; a Jersey Giants sun visor, circa 1937; an absolutely killer 1920s basketball uni; a very cool Durene football jersey; a nice UCLA-striped Durene pullover; a nicely chain-stitched basketball warm-up top; another warm-up top — with a mosquito chest logo; a 1950 football equipment catalog; a 1964 basketball backboard catalog; and a 1923 baseball glove catalog. … Major development last night in Atlanta, as Livan Hernandez wore blue sleeves on the road, and damn did it look sweet. All the other Mets wore their usual black road sleeves, providing a useful counterpoint that only highlighted the beauty of Livan’s azure-clad arms. Yo, Charlie, ditch the frigging black already! … Hey, what happened here — pit bull attack? Violent slide on a really coarse infield? Factory seconds from Majestic? Nah, just your everyday uniform catching on fire. If you read the story, you’ll see that the moral of the tale is this: Always wear two pairs of socks (big thanks to Kevin Rood). … “A nice improvement on the aesthetics at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway,” writes Kyle Donnelly. “The ‘Bombardier Learjet Pagoda,’ which looked like this last year, now looks like this. That new logo is taken from the top of IMS’s ‘Centennial Era’ logo, which you can see in the watermark on those photos. The addition of the ‘Est. 1909’ is pretty slick, too. Trés chic, no? Also, for the first time since the mid-’80s, this year’s Indy 500 will feature a pink car. That’s Englishman Alex Lloyd, sponsored by a women-oriented energy drink called Healthy Energy Regenerator (HER) or something like that.” … Shane Victorino was using Matt Stairs’s bat last night (as spotted by Mike Meech). … For about 1.2 seconds, I thought Andy Thoele had come up with a major find: an old brimless catcher’s helmet with a Red Sox logo. But then I realized that the logo didn’t look right and was probably an after-market addition to the helmet. … If you look at this poster, you’ll see the Saints player wearing a black helmet, which was only used during the 1969 preseason (good spot by Tom Farley). … Doug Keklak notes that Ian Snell had this notation on his cap last night. I’m assuming that’s a memorial tribute for Nick Adenhart. … Latest collection from Steve Mandich: a bunch of Mariners scorecards. … A’s catcher Kurt Suzuki switched uni numbers this year, going from 24 to 8 because the A’s will likely retire No. 24 once Rickey Henderson’s inducted into the Hall of Fame. But his shinguards still have the old uni number (with thanks to Brandon Davis). … Maybe Darren O’Day wasn’t the first MLBer to wear someone else’s name on his back after all. According to a small mention in this article, Blue Jays pitcher Huck Flener “actually wore [Shawn] Green’s jersey in his 1993 major league debut because his wasn’t ready” (good research by Brian Kallion). … Have fun at Shea tonight, Phil. And be sure to ask the “Bottled Beer” vendors why they’re selling beer in cans!

 

280 comments to Good Thing Everyone’s Unemployed, Because You’ll Never Get Any Work Done Once You See This

  • Frank | May 6, 2009 at 8:02 am |

    The magentic team standings picture shows the Yankees in the NL East and the Braves in the AL East!

  • Robert in Dallas | May 6, 2009 at 8:25 am |

    I too always wanted one of those magnetic standings boards as a kid.

    http://books.google....

    As soon as I was finally able to get one for a birthday or Christmas, what happened? Expansion in 1977, and it was obsolete. I had to draw little Blue Jays and Mariners logos on paper, and tape them at the bottom of the board. It was a major drag.

  • Kevin | May 6, 2009 at 8:27 am |

    Isn’t the plural of Bison, Bison? Not according to Lipscomb.

  • johnny griswold | May 6, 2009 at 8:28 am |

    Man, those 80-88 Kings jerseys are fantastic!

  • Bob | May 6, 2009 at 8:36 am |

    “June 1972: What as the deal with that early-’70s ad trope of using all-lowercase headlines? And hey, speaking of lowercase letters, check out the Cubs pennant shown on on this page. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that wordmark before.”

    That pennant was on the outfield wall at Shea in the 1980s. I have the mini version of it, too.

  • Bruce | May 6, 2009 at 8:48 am |

    Thanks for the post Paul!

  • James Craven | May 6, 2009 at 8:53 am |

    Those ’79 Liscomb unis are copies of the 1974-86 Twins road unis.

  • Matt Brosseau | May 6, 2009 at 8:55 am |

    [quote comment=”327849″]
    As soon as I was finally able to get one for a birthday or Christmas, what happened? Expansion in 1977, and it was obsolete. I had to draw little Blue Jays and Mariners logos on paper, and tape them at the bottom of the board. It was a major drag.[/quote]

    Ah, bummer. I too wanted one of the standings boards but couldn’t decide which sport to pester my parents for, so I went the DIY route and made my own. For baseball I drew the team logos on paper and stuck magnetic tape on the back. Football and hockey I printed out logos from the early Internet (1991, it was not easy to find) and cut them out, magnetic tape.

    The real problem was finding a big enough magnetic surface for standings. The refrigerator door was already full of spelling tests and photos, so I was forced to move to the basement and use the washing machine for one league and the dryer for the other league…all went well until the washing machine flooded and I lost the entire Wales Conference.

    In 1993, I sent away for a baseball standings tracker that used the miniature plastic helmets (not the ice-cream ones, these were smaller), and that was fantastic fun until MLB realigned and added Central Divisions, making the cardboard display absolutely useless…

  • Geeman | May 6, 2009 at 9:08 am |

    Watching the NBA playoffs, had this thought: Why do NBA players have so many warmups? I counted three warmup shirts on some guys. I follow college basketball more closely and it’s funny that college players often don’t even wear warmups after they leave the game, but NBA players have plenty of them and they wear them.

  • u2-horn | May 6, 2009 at 9:14 am |

    Saints’ “Flawless City Long Sleeve Jersey Shirt”

    http://product.image...

  • Geeman | May 6, 2009 at 9:19 am |

    http://images.cbsspo...

    Sure, they look good, but if this is why baseball’s “uniform” rules are weak. It’s not uniform. The team should wear the same thing. And back to to the question I posed the other day: Why can’t baseball make players wear socks or stirrups like the NFL makes players wear socks a certain length?

  • Hott Rodd | May 6, 2009 at 9:21 am |

    shout out to Teebz.

    Can you leave my city alone now?

    Thx Mate! :-P

  • u2-horn | May 6, 2009 at 9:21 am |
  • Fight | May 6, 2009 at 9:22 am |

    [quote comment=”327857″]Saints’ “Flawless City Long Sleeve Jersey Shirt”

    http://product.image...

    Not only are there NFL versions of the “Flawless City Long Sleeve Shirt,” there is this one – just for you Paul and Phil, http://www.amazon.co...

  • M.Princip | May 6, 2009 at 9:22 am |

    Those Dwayne Bowe pics are hilarious! Dude deserves ham of the year for that set.

    Those socks are cool though, just sayin’.

  • u2-horn | May 6, 2009 at 9:23 am |

    Looks like they’ve got baseball teams too

    http://ecx.images-am...

  • u2-horn | May 6, 2009 at 9:24 am |

    [quote comment=”327861″][quote comment=”327857″]Saints’ “Flawless City Long Sleeve Jersey Shirt”

    http://product.image...

    Not only are there NFL versions of the “Flawless City Long Sleeve Shirt,” there is this one – just for you Paul and Phil, http://www.amazon.co...

    yep, just search amazon for “flawless city” and a bunch pop up.

  • GoGoSox | May 6, 2009 at 9:25 am |

    Looks like somebody forgot about the pinstripes.

    http://books.google....

  • Roger Faso | May 6, 2009 at 9:27 am |

    bowl-a-rama

    there are two of those in Aurora, Indiana. One at the Legion and one at the Eagles.

    fully functional.

  • War Damn Eagle | May 6, 2009 at 9:27 am |

    The magnetic scoreboard ad has the Braves and Yankees in the wrong leagues:

    http://books.google....

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 9:28 am |

    I’d comment on this marvelous Baseball Digest stuff, but evidently it’s already football season, because around here all we’re getting is, Will Bret Favre Wear Purple? (Part Deux).

    Sheesh.

    —Ricko

  • Judd | May 6, 2009 at 9:29 am |

    [quote comment=”327864″][quote comment=”327861″][quote comment=”327857″]Saints’ “Flawless City Long Sleeve Jersey Shirt”

    http://product.image...

    Not only are there NFL versions of the “Flawless City Long Sleeve Shirt,” there is this one – just for you Paul and Phil, http://www.amazon.co...

    yep, just search amazon for “flawless city” and a bunch pop up.[/quote]

    These Flawless City jerseys look like they would be an ideal first-time / starter project for DIY.

    Being someone that is not particularly adept at graphics design nor crafts / sewing, for those of you that have tackled these types of projects, am I correct in this assumption?

  • Peter | May 6, 2009 at 9:30 am |

    Can NO MAS make a shirt that says “SHUT UP Suzyn!”

  • Robert in Dallas | May 6, 2009 at 9:30 am |

    [quote comment=”327863″]Looks like they’ve got baseball teams too

    http://ecx.images-am...

    Where did you find that? I would like to see what they have to offer for the Reds.

  • Leo | May 6, 2009 at 9:31 am |

    More important than the ad, IMHO, is the story that starts on the next page. It basically predicts what happened to baseball in the 1990s.

    http://books.google....

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 9:34 am |

    [quote comment=”327870″]Can NO MAS make a shirt that says “SHUT UP Suzyn!”[/quote]

    A shirt for longtime Jets fans…
    I, TOO, WANT TO KISS SUZIE KOLBER

  • Robert in Dallas | May 6, 2009 at 9:35 am |

    [quote comment=”327871″][quote comment=”327863″]Looks like they’ve got baseball teams too

    http://ecx.images-am...

    Where did you find that? I would like to see what they have to offer for the Reds.[/quote]

    Ignore me. I was typing the above post concurrently with someone else providing the instructions regarding an Amazon search.

    And I did not see a Reds version on there. Small market conspiracy theorists take note.

  • Greenie | May 6, 2009 at 9:36 am |

    I guess hockey in the desert can’t last long.
    Coyotes file for bankruptcy.

    http://sports.espn.g...

  • M.Princip | May 6, 2009 at 9:37 am |

    [quote comment=”327868″]I’d comment on this marvelous Baseball Digest stuff, but evidently it’s already football season, because around here all we’re getting is, Will Bret Favre Wear Purple? (Part Deux).

    Sheesh.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Get back to me when the Pro! magazine archives become available. heh heh I’ll take the week off then.

  • werthj | May 6, 2009 at 9:39 am |

    The Patriots version is disappointing.
    http://www.ocregiste...

  • Mark in Shiga | May 6, 2009 at 9:39 am |

    That “Blow yourself…” ad in Baseball Digest is funny enough, but look at what’s two pages above it — the Cubs and Braves almost made a trade in in 1960 in which Ernie Banks, Glen Hobbie, and some others went to Milwaukee for Warren Spahn, Joe Adcock, and others? Wow.

  • werthj | May 6, 2009 at 9:40 am |

    However, the Packers version is great!
    http://fangear.chron...

  • Hott Rodd | May 6, 2009 at 9:43 am |

    they have been selling a shirt that is very similar to those flawless city shirts for several years now. I bought the short sleeved version sometime in 2007, and then found the long sleeved version later.

  • u2-horn | May 6, 2009 at 9:45 am |

    I always knew that Chicken was a damn Commie.

    http://books.google....

  • Peter | May 6, 2009 at 9:46 am |

    [quote comment=”327873″][quote comment=”327870″]Can NO MAS make a shirt that says “SHUT UP Suzyn!”[/quote]

    A shirt for longtime Jets fans…
    I, TOO, WANT TO KISS SUZIE KOLBER[/quote]

    actually…”I don’t care about the Jetsss ssttrrugglingg….:

    But THIS IS OUR YEAR!!! JETS! JETS! JETS!!

  • chance michaels | May 6, 2009 at 9:48 am |

    Following up on yesterday’s comments – hey Squiddie, where did you find those Borchert Field pics? Google Image searches are coming up blank, are they mislabeled or something?

  • Tom Carlson | May 6, 2009 at 9:52 am |

    The burning uniform is very dangerous. The poly fabric will melt and fuse to the skin. That makes a burn injury even worse.

    The U.S. Military will not allow service members to wear wicking materials such as the new Under Armour gear under their uniforms. Only natural materials are allowed. In the event of a vehicle fire the melting of the material and the fusing of it into the burn and skin can and has caused complications.

    If you are ever out ice fishing stay clear f the heater. I have melted a couple of jackets on a propane heater.

  • Ryan | May 6, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    [quote comment=”327875″]I guess hockey in the desert can’t last long.
    Coyotes file for bankruptcy.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Poor Balsillie. He’s like Charlie Brown with the football.

    Also, maybe it was Doctors Day at Nationals park? ;)

  • Geen | May 6, 2009 at 10:01 am |

    Ah, Dom DeLuise.

    “Duh-dah-duhhhhh!!! Captain Chaos!”

    __________________

    I’m going to lock myself up now and read up a bunch of Baseball Digests.

  • War Damn Eagle | May 6, 2009 at 10:04 am |

    [quote comment=”327875″]I guess hockey in the desert can’t last long.
    Coyotes file for bankruptcy.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    What would they call the Hamilton team? The previous Hamilton-based NHL team was the Tigers.

    http://www.hockeynig...

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 10:05 am |

    [quote comment=”327859″]shout out to Teebz.

    Can you leave my city alone now?

    Thx Mate! :-P[/quote]

    Honestly, Rodd, I would prefer a team in Phoenix over another team in southern Ontario.

    Bal-SILLY won’t win this fight with the NHL. Not in a million years.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 10:05 am |

    [quote comment=”327885″][quote comment=”327875″]I guess hockey in the desert can’t last long.
    Coyotes file for bankruptcy.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Poor Balsillie. He’s like Charlie Brown with the football.

    Also, maybe it was Doctors Day at Nationals park? ;)[/quote]

    Move them to Southern Ontario?
    Hamilton Coyotes?
    Windsor Canadians? (no, wait, that’s sorta taken)
    London Derrieres?

    —Ricko

  • Fred | May 6, 2009 at 10:07 am |

    [quote comment=”327866″]bowl-a-rama

    there are two of those in Aurora, Indiana. One at the Legion and one at the Eagles.

    fully functional.[/quote]

    And another one at Shipley’s Bar in Madison, IN. Played it w/ a couple buddies about a month ago.

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 10:07 am |

    [quote comment=”327887″][quote comment=”327875″]I guess hockey in the desert can’t last long.
    Coyotes file for bankruptcy.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    What would they call the Hamilton team? The previous Hamilton-based NHL team was the Tigers.

    http://www.hockeynig...

    Hamilton hasn’t been selected as the city yet.

    For anyone interested, the website that Balsillie’s people have created is called “maikeitseven.ca” – a clear shot to bring a seventh Canadian team to the NHL.

    I whole-heartedly did not sign up.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 10:08 am |

    The London Derrieres would, of course, wear green sleeves.

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 10:08 am |

    [quote comment=”327891″][quote comment=”327887″][quote comment=”327875″]I guess hockey in the desert can’t last long.
    Coyotes file for bankruptcy.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    What would they call the Hamilton team? The previous Hamilton-based NHL team was the Tigers.

    http://www.hockeynig...

    Hamilton hasn’t been selected as the city yet.

    For anyone interested, the website that Balsillie’s people have created is called “makeitseven.ca” – a clear shot to bring a seventh Canadian team to the NHL.

    I whole-heartedly did not sign up.[/quote]

    It’s too early to be posting without coffee. Damned spelling mistakes. Back in a few. Talk amongst yourselves.

  • War Damn Eagle | May 6, 2009 at 10:09 am |

    [quote comment=”327887″][quote comment=”327875″]I guess hockey in the desert can’t last long.
    Coyotes file for bankruptcy.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    What would they call the Hamilton team? The previous Hamilton-based NHL team was the Tigers.

    http://www.hockeynig...

    http://en.wikipedia....

  • Peter | May 6, 2009 at 10:11 am |

    [quote comment=”327894″][quote comment=”327887″][quote comment=”327875″]I guess hockey in the desert can’t last long.
    Coyotes file for bankruptcy.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    What would they call the Hamilton team? The previous Hamilton-based NHL team was the Tigers.

    http://www.hockeynig...

    http://en.wikipedia....

    Hey, isn’t KC looking for a team?
    (and I know Basillie wants to move them to hamilton)

  • War Damn Eagle | May 6, 2009 at 10:13 am |

    [quote comment=”327893″][quote comment=”327891″][quote comment=”327887″][quote comment=”327875″]I guess hockey in the desert can’t last long.
    Coyotes file for bankruptcy.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    What would they call the Hamilton team? The previous Hamilton-based NHL team was the Tigers.

    http://www.hockeynig...

    Hamilton hasn’t been selected as the city yet.

    For anyone interested, the website that Balsillie’s people have created is called “makeitseven.ca” – a clear shot to bring a seventh Canadian team to the NHL.

    I whole-heartedly did not sign up.[/quote]

    It’s too early to be posting without coffee. Damned spelling mistakes. Back in a few. Talk amongst yourselves.[/quote]

    True. No one is saying Hamilton, but where else would you put a team in “southern Ontario?” Balsillie’s previous attempts to buy and move an NHL team (Penguins) involved getting a deal with Hamilton’s Copps Coliseum, so I just assume he’s thinking Hamilton. Is London big enough for an NHL team?

  • War Damn Eagle | May 6, 2009 at 10:14 am |

    [quote comment=”327895″][quote comment=”327894″][quote comment=”327887″][quote comment=”327875″]I guess hockey in the desert can’t last long.
    Coyotes file for bankruptcy.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    What would they call the Hamilton team? The previous Hamilton-based NHL team was the Tigers.

    http://www.hockeynig...

    http://en.wikipedia....

    Hey, isn’t KC looking for a team?
    (and I know Basillie wants to move them to hamilton)[/quote]

    I think KC has dibs on the Isles. (. . . and Phil gets angry . . .)

  • DJ | May 6, 2009 at 10:15 am |

    The Chicago Fire will wear white jerseys with green letters and a Chicago Fire Foundation patch for Saturday’s game against the New England Revolution.

    They’re billing it as “The Fire Are Going Green.” Walgreen’s will give reusable shopping bags to the first 5,000 people in attendance.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 10:17 am |

    No “territorial” issues in NHL?
    You’d wouldn’t think he’d get the Leafs’ vote for a move to Hamilton…or the Wings’ for landing in Windsor.

    Or, maybe, since Long Island is looking for a major league hockey team (ahem) we could end with the Kansas City Islanders and the New York Coyotes. Oh, brother, there’s a pair of nicknames to draw to.

    —Ricko

  • Greenie | May 6, 2009 at 10:17 am |

    what a beautiful state silhouette

    http://www.amazon.co...

  • Glen H | May 6, 2009 at 10:18 am |

    Paul,
    When I first saw a headline and picture of Dom I thought it was Paul Prudhomme too. I’m glad I wasn’t the only one.

  • Adrian | May 6, 2009 at 10:18 am |

    I remember watching Huck Flener’s debut for the Jays. It was late in the season at Tiger Stadium and they made mention of him wearing Shawn Green’s jersey.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 10:19 am |

    I know, they’ll change their name back to “Jets”

    (Teebz’ innards just seized up)

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2009 at 10:22 am |

    [quote]What would they call the Hamilton team?[/quote]

    how boot the continentals?

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 10:23 am |

    [quote comment=”327904″][quote]What would they call the Hamilton team?[/quote]

    how boot the continentals?[/quote]

    Right. So they can have an alternate jersey that says CONTS.

  • Hott Rodd | May 6, 2009 at 10:24 am |

    [quote comment=”327905″][quote comment=”327904″][quote]What would they call the Hamilton team?[/quote]

    how boot the continentals?[/quote]

    Right. So they can have an alternate jersey that says CONTS.[/quote]

    C’MON YA CONTS!

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2009 at 10:25 am |

    [quote comment=”327905″][quote comment=”327904″][quote]What would they call the Hamilton team?[/quote]

    how boot the continentals?[/quote]

    Right. So they can have an alternate jersey that says CONTS.[/quote]

    on the wall of sage rink (where my alma mater played … and i think still plays)…there was a sign, painted on the wall, stating:

    [quote]GO YOU CONTS![/quote]

    i shit you not…wonder if it’s still there

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 10:27 am |

    [quote comment=”327896″]
    True. No one is saying Hamilton, but where else would you put a team in “southern Ontario?” Balsillie’s previous attempts to buy and move an NHL team (Penguins) involved getting a deal with Hamilton’s Copps Coliseum, so I just assume he’s thinking Hamilton. Is London big enough for an NHL team?[/quote]

    The only thing Balsillie has said is that there are seven million people in that “un-served” area who deserve NHL hockey.

    Territorially, Buffalo, Detroit, Toronto, and Ottawa may have something to complain about.

    Honestly? Moving a Western Conference team to Southern Ontario only causes more problems with travel and alignment.

    And Ricko, if they name the team as “Jets”, they had better be prepared for a large-scale inferno. My offer to burn the city down still stands. LOL

  • War Damn Eagle | May 6, 2009 at 10:29 am |

    [quote comment=”327904″][quote]What would they call the Hamilton team?[/quote]

    how boot the continentals?[/quote]

    I’m sure they’ll serve some fine sham-pon-ya at the game.

    http://livinglondon....

  • Paul Lukas | May 6, 2009 at 10:29 am |

    [quote comment=”327879″]However, the Packers version is great!
    http://fangear.chron...

    Oh, man — that’s pretty awesome.

    Might have to cut off the sleeve cuffs, though, to avoid the douchebag effect.

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment=”327910″][quote comment=”327879″]However, the Packers version is great!
    http://fangear.chron...

    Oh, man — that’s pretty awesome.

    Might have to cut off the sleeve cuffs, though, to avoid the douchebag effect.[/quote]

    As a non-NFL guy, even I’d wear that. That is a pretty sweet sweater.

  • Paul Lukas | May 6, 2009 at 10:34 am |

    [quote comment=”327911″]As a non-NFL guy, even I’d wear that.[/quote]

    Of course you would — that whole product line is patterned after a hockey jersey!

  • Perry | May 6, 2009 at 10:35 am |

    I was a regular customer for Glass Gard glasses holders all through my teens and twenties. Much better than any other brand, IMO.

    If Livan was wearing blue sleeves while the other Mets were wearing black he should have been made to change. He was violating rule 1.11a, part of which says “All players on a team shall wear uniforms identical in color, trim and style,” and “Any part of an undershirt exposed to view shall be of a uniform solid color for all players on a team.”

    Actually it would have been better for everyone else to change to blue, of course. :-)

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment=”327912″][quote comment=”327911″]As a non-NFL guy, even I’d wear that.[/quote]

    Of course you would — that whole product line is patterned after a hockey jersey – the best jerseys in the history of man, don’cha know.[/quote]

    Fixed.

    LOL ;o)

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 10:37 am |

    “And Ricko, if they name the team as “Jets”, they had better be prepared for a large-scale inferno. My offer to burn the city down still stands. LOL”

    Well, I meant that name “reversion” only if by some twisted and wholly unlikely trail of events the Coyotes ended up on Long Island, where of course they probably couldn’t use “Jets” even if they wanted to.

    Although, “Hamilton Jets” does have a nice, short, punchy sound to it, doesn’t it…and it WOULD point to the fact that the team HAD come home. To Canada, anyway.

    So maybe…

    Then again, the original WHA franchise in Hamilton was going to be the “Ontario Nationals” before they ended up moving to Ottawa before the start of the first season…
    http://en.wikipedia....

    I still have a 3″ patch of that logo with “Ontario” instead of “Ottawa”. Might have to put in on red hoodie or something.

    —Ricko

  • War Damn Eagle | May 6, 2009 at 10:38 am |

    Seriously, why not put a team back in Winnipeg? It’s a huge gap between the southern Ontario teams and the Alberta teams. Just put them back and call them the Jets (or take “Moose” from the AHL team). The city’s big enough, and would probably support hockey far more than Phoenix (or Hamilton). And it keeps a Western team in the West.

  • Peter | May 6, 2009 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment=”327903″]I know, they’ll change their name back to “Jets”

    (Teebz’ innards just seized up)[/quote]

    Replace the Islanders with the Coyotes and we have a second New York Jets?

    sweet…

  • Hott Rodd | May 6, 2009 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment=”327914″][quote comment=”327912″][quote comment=”327911″]As a non-NFL guy, even I’d wear that.[/quote]

    Of course you would — that whole product line is patterned after a hockey sweater – the best sweaters in the history of man, don’cha know.[/quote]

    Fixed.

    LOL ;o)[/quote]

    I thought it was more like this..

  • DenverGregg | May 6, 2009 at 10:40 am |

    Baseball Digest uni-related item from December 1963, Mickey Mantle’s opinion of the A’s green and gold unis: “They should have come out of the dugout on tippy-toes, holding hands and singing.”

  • Matt Brosseau | May 6, 2009 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment=”327907″]

    i shit you not…wonder if it’s still there[/quote]

    It is not, Phil, as of 1997, which was my freshman year.

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment=”327915″]”And Ricko, if they name the team as “Jets”, they had better be prepared for a large-scale inferno. My offer to burn the city down still stands. LOL”

    Well, I meant that name “reversion” only if by some twisted and wholly unlikely trail of events the Coyotes ended up on Long Island, where of course they probably couldn’t use “Jets” even if they wanted to.

    Although, “Hamilton Jets” does have a nice, short, punchy sound to it, doesn’t it…and it WOULD point to the fact that the team HAD come home. To Canada, anyway.

    So maybe…

    Then again, the original WHA franchise in Hamilton was going to be the “Ontario Nationals” before they ended up moving to Ottawa before the start of the first season…
    http://en.wikipedia....

    I still have a 3″ patch of that logo with “Ontario” instead of “Ottawa”. Might have to put in on red hoodie or something.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I could see, and this is really stretching the elastic of my mind, Balsillie putting a team in Richmond Hill. Now, RH is a suburb of Toronto, but they have trying to get an OHL team to move there. They have 181,000 people locally in the town’s borders, but are within millions of people.

    It also solves the on-going “second team in Toronto” question. The only problem? No NHL-sized arena in the area.

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment=”327916″]Seriously, why not put a team back in Winnipeg? It’s a huge gap between the southern Ontario teams and the Alberta teams. Just put them back and call them the Jets (or take “Moose” from the AHL team). The city’s big enough, and would probably support hockey far more than Phoenix (or Hamilton). And it keeps a Western team in the West.[/quote]

    No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

    Winnipeg has 650,000 total. Surrounding areas? About 10,000. There is no fanbase for $250-400 tickets either. It’s a blue-collar town.

    Also, it helps if there was some serious corporate support, and Winnipeg does not have that support necessary to operate an NHL franchise.

    Those reasons are why the team left in the first place.

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2009 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment=”327919″]Baseball Digest uni-related item from December 1963, Mickey Mantle’s opinion of the A’s green and gold unis: “They should have come out of the dugout on tippy-toes, holding hands and singing.”[/quote]

    also from there:

    [quote]Most Elusive Runner — Warren Giles, the N. L. prexy[/quote]

    prexy? doesn’t that only refer to college presidents or have province in Variety and other trade magazines?

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 10:50 am |

    So play outdoors.
    Works every New Year’s Day.

    The Richmond Hill Outsiders.
    Could wear black leather jerseys.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment=”327922″][quote comment=”327916″]Seriously, why not put a team back in Winnipeg? It’s a huge gap between the southern Ontario teams and the Alberta teams. Just put them back and call them the Jets (or take “Moose” from the AHL team). The city’s big enough, and would probably support hockey far more than Phoenix (or Hamilton). And it keeps a Western team in the West.[/quote]

    No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

    Winnipeg has 650,000 total. Surrounding areas? About 10,000. There is no fanbase for $250-400 tickets either. It’s a blue-collar town.

    Also, it helps if there was some serious corporate support, and Winnipeg does not have that support necessary to operate an NHL franchise.

    Those reasons are why the team left in the first place.[/quote]

    Serious question, Teebz.
    Regina or Saskatoon?

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 10:57 am |

    [quote comment=”327924″]So play outdoors.
    Works every New Year’s Day.

    The Richmond Hill Outsiders.
    Could wear black leather jerseys.[/quote]

    Toronto shuts down the city and calls in the army if they get more than two inches of snow at any one time. Travel to RH would be insane on those days. LOL

    I can’t see the NHLPA agreeing to shovel the ice either. It could happen, but I’m almost certain that someone would complain. Zambonis do well down to -8 to -10 C (20F to 15F approx.), but once it gets colder, the water inside them begins to freeze. That’s never good for business.

  • Beardface | May 6, 2009 at 10:58 am |

    [quote comment=”327891″][quote comment=”327887″][quote comment=”327875″]I guess hockey in the desert can’t last long.
    Coyotes file for bankruptcy.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    What would they call the Hamilton team? The previous Hamilton-based NHL team was the Tigers.

    http://www.hockeynig...

    Hamilton hasn’t been selected as the city yet.

    For anyone interested, the website that Balsillie’s people have created is called “maikeitseven.ca” – a clear shot to bring a seventh Canadian team to the NHL.

    I whole-heartedly did not sign up.[/quote]
    After Balsille’s failed attempt with the Preds on what should have happened, I find it difficult to think Bettman would allow this to happen.

    Anyone else see that the owner of the KHL is looking to buy anywhere up to 3 NHL teams out of a pool of 10 he’s currently considering?

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 10:59 am |

    [quote comment=”327925″][quote comment=”327922″][quote comment=”327916″]Seriously, why not put a team back in Winnipeg? It’s a huge gap between the southern Ontario teams and the Alberta teams. Just put them back and call them the Jets (or take “Moose” from the AHL team). The city’s big enough, and would probably support hockey far more than Phoenix (or Hamilton). And it keeps a Western team in the West.[/quote]

    No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

    Winnipeg has 650,000 total. Surrounding areas? About 10,000. There is no fanbase for $250-400 tickets either. It’s a blue-collar town.

    Also, it helps if there was some serious corporate support, and Winnipeg does not have that support necessary to operate an NHL franchise.

    Those reasons are why the team left in the first place.[/quote]

    Serious question, Teebz.
    Regina or Saskatoon?[/quote]

    Same problems as Winnipeg. Neither city would work as an NHL locale.

    And, just so everyone knows, Edmonton is also experiencing this trouble now – smaller city, no surrounding community support, and local businesses are being hit hard by the recession.

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 11:02 am |

    [quote comment=”327927″]
    Anyone else see that the owner of the KHL is looking to buy anywhere up to 3 NHL teams out of a pool of 10 he’s currently considering?[/quote]

    Won’t happen in a bazillion years.

    Medvedev is richer than anyone can imagine, but when you compete openly with the NHL and don’t come to an agreement on player transfers, you’re not going to be asked to be included in the NHL Owners’ Club. Especially after several clubs signed NHL stars under contract.

    Just because he’s considering the teams doesn’t mean the NHL will approve his bid. In fact, I’m quite certain the NHL will flat-out deny any bid made by Medvedev unless the NHL gets what it wants: either the shutdown of the KHL or the KHL becomes a European minor-league system of the NHL.

  • Greenie | May 6, 2009 at 11:04 am |

    I say move the Coyotes to Wisconsin. I always wondered why we didn’t have an NHL team to begin with.

    -Greenie

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 11:07 am |

    [quote comment=”327930″]I say move the Coyotes to Wisconsin. I always wondered why we didn’t have an NHL team to begin with.

    -Greenie[/quote]

    Where in Wisconsin would you put the team? The Milwaukee Admirals have a huge following, and are a team deep in history in that town.

    Green Bay? It’s a football town. Strictly football.

  • War Damn Eagle | May 6, 2009 at 11:07 am |

    [quote comment=”327922″][quote comment=”327916″]Seriously, why not put a team back in Winnipeg? It’s a huge gap between the southern Ontario teams and the Alberta teams. Just put them back and call them the Jets (or take “Moose” from the AHL team). The city’s big enough, and would probably support hockey far more than Phoenix (or Hamilton). And it keeps a Western team in the West.[/quote]

    No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

    Winnipeg has 650,000 total. Surrounding areas? About 10,000. There is no fanbase for $250-400 tickets either. It’s a blue-collar town.

    Also, it helps if there was some serious corporate support, and Winnipeg does not have that support necessary to operate an NHL franchise.

    Those reasons are why the team left in the first place.[/quote]

    I see your point, but Winnipeg is still larger than Hamilton or London. Yes, they might have some additional fan-base from the Toronto burbs, but that also meanas that a lot of people IN Hamilton are Leafs fans (or fans of some other team). Winnipeg is the 8th largest city in Canada. The 7 larger cities all have NHL teams, except Quebec City (7th largest). Windsor, Saskatoon and Regina are all REALLY small.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 11:07 am |

    “Edmonton is also experiencing this trouble now – smaller city, no surrounding community support, and local businesses are being hit hard by the recession.”

    Was gonna be my next question: How much time you think the Oilers have left in Edmonton?

    Hockey isn’t like MLB, NBA or NFL. There still are plenty of medium to large markets out there, with arenas, that would look good to struggling NHL teams. And many are in colder weather environs; aren’t stuck with the Sun Belt.

    Making no value judgments, just looking at open markets and not taking into account playing sites, the list is long: Kansas City, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Hartford, Cleveland, theoretically Long Island….(just for starters)

    Granted, some would be lousy choices, but the point I’m making is the perceived attractiveness of a small market-to-larger market move.

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 11:10 am |

    [quote comment=”327932″][quote comment=”327922″][quote comment=”327916″]Seriously, why not put a team back in Winnipeg? It’s a huge gap between the southern Ontario teams and the Alberta teams. Just put them back and call them the Jets (or take “Moose” from the AHL team). The city’s big enough, and would probably support hockey far more than Phoenix (or Hamilton). And it keeps a Western team in the West.[/quote]

    No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

    Winnipeg has 650,000 total. Surrounding areas? About 10,000. There is no fanbase for $250-400 tickets either. It’s a blue-collar town.

    Also, it helps if there was some serious corporate support, and Winnipeg does not have that support necessary to operate an NHL franchise.

    Those reasons are why the team left in the first place.[/quote]

    I see your point, but Winnipeg is still larger than Hamilton or London. Yes, they might have some additional fan-base from the Toronto burbs, but that also meanas that a lot of people IN Hamilton are Leafs fans (or fans of some other team). Winnipeg is the 8th largest city in Canada. The 7 larger cities all have NHL teams, except Quebec City (7th largest). Windsor, Saskatoon and Regina are all REALLY small.[/quote]

    Hamilton has 7 million people it can draw from within three hours of that city. That’s a pretty good number when you only need 16,000 people.

    Winnipeg’s closest city over 1 million people? Minneapolis. And no one from Minny is driving seven hours north to see a hockey game when the Wild are in their backyards.

  • Beardface | May 6, 2009 at 11:13 am |

    [quote comment=”327929″][quote comment=”327927″]
    Anyone else see that the owner of the KHL is looking to buy anywhere up to 3 NHL teams out of a pool of 10 he’s currently considering?[/quote]

    Won’t happen in a bazillion years.

    Medvedev is richer than anyone can imagine, but when you compete openly with the NHL and don’t come to an agreement on player transfers, you’re not going to be asked to be included in the NHL Owners’ Club. Especially after several clubs signed NHL stars under contract.

    Just because he’s considering the teams doesn’t mean the NHL will approve his bid. In fact, I’m quite certain the NHL will flat-out deny any bid made by Medvedev unless the NHL gets what it wants: either the shutdown of the KHL or the KHL becomes a European minor-league system of the NHL.[/quote]
    Oh I know it won’t happen, but I find it to be interesting, to say the least…

    I think Medvedev might be jumping the gun on this one. If he would spend time developing the KHL into something that very seriously competes with the NHL for talent over a long stretch of time, he could eventually get his league to to a NFL-AFL type of merger, which would create a true global professional hockey league and develop what is essentially the Champions League of hockey…

    but to go in now just screams that he doesn’t think the KHL can compete and he’s trying to abandon ship before it busts. Bettman would be wise to keep him out and watch that castle burn to the ground, and then come in and, as you said, offer them an olive branch that would make them become a subsidary of the NHL where they would be more of a developmental league than anything else.

  • Judd | May 6, 2009 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment=”327931″][quote comment=”327930″]I say move the Coyotes to Wisconsin. I always wondered why we didn’t have an NHL team to begin with.

    -Greenie[/quote]

    Where in Wisconsin would you put the team? The Milwaukee Admirals have a huge following, and are a team deep in history in that town.

    Green Bay? It’s a football town. Strictly football.[/quote]

    Green Bay has a hockey team – I’ve seen them play, to boot!

    http://www.gamblersh...

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 11:14 am |

    Teebz is right. It isn’t about the size of the host city. It’s about the Dominant Market Area. “DMA” is an advertising term that certainly applies here. Also there’s “ADI” (Area of Dominant Influence”).

    —Ricko

  • Lwiedy | May 6, 2009 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”327876″][quote comment=”327868″]I’d comment on this marvelous Baseball Digest stuff, but evidently it’s already football season, because around here all we’re getting is, Will Bret Favre Wear Purple? (Part Deux).

    Sheesh.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Get back to me when the Pro! magazine archives become available. heh heh I’ll take the week off then.[/quote]

    If you’ll settle for just the covers of Pro! then your wish will come true soon!

  • Roger Faso | May 6, 2009 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”327919″]Baseball Digest uni-related item from December 1963, Mickey Mantle’s opinion of the A’s green and gold unis: “They should have come out of the dugout on tippy-toes, holding hands and singing.”[/quote]

    I am now adding Mickey Mantle to the list of jackasses I despise.

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2009 at 11:17 am |

    [quote]Hockey isn’t like MLB, NBA or NFL[/quote]

    because it’s not a major sport?

  • War Damn Eagle | May 6, 2009 at 11:18 am |

    [quote comment=”327934″][quote comment=”327932″][quote comment=”327922″][quote comment=”327916″]Seriously, why not put a team back in Winnipeg? It’s a huge gap between the southern Ontario teams and the Alberta teams. Just put them back and call them the Jets (or take “Moose” from the AHL team). The city’s big enough, and would probably support hockey far more than Phoenix (or Hamilton). And it keeps a Western team in the West.[/quote]

    No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

    Winnipeg has 650,000 total. Surrounding areas? About 10,000. There is no fanbase for $250-400 tickets either. It’s a blue-collar town.

    Also, it helps if there was some serious corporate support, and Winnipeg does not have that support necessary to operate an NHL franchise.

    Those reasons are why the team left in the first place.[/quote]

    I see your point, but Winnipeg is still larger than Hamilton or London. Yes, they might have some additional fan-base from the Toronto burbs, but that also meanas that a lot of people IN Hamilton are Leafs fans (or fans of some other team). Winnipeg is the 8th largest city in Canada. The 7 larger cities all have NHL teams, except Quebec City (7th largest). Windsor, Saskatoon and Regina are all REALLY small.[/quote]

    Hamilton has 7 million people it can draw from within three hours of that city. That’s a pretty good number when you only need 16,000 people.

    Winnipeg’s closest city over 1 million people? Minneapolis. And no one from Minny is driving seven hours north to see a hockey game when the Wild are in their backyards.[/quote]

    Then Hamilton it is. So what’s more likely: Tigers, Bulldogs, or Fincups.

  • MPowers1634 | May 6, 2009 at 11:19 am |

    The All-Blacks uni change reminded me that MTV has a show named Duel,set in New Zealand, where the contestatnts all do the Haka in the opening credits.

    BTW, I will be accompanying Mr. Hecken to “Shea: this evening while wearing my newest DIY creation!

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 11:20 am |

    [quote comment=”327940″][quote]Hockey isn’t like MLB, NBA or NFL[/quote]

    because it’s not a major sport?[/quote]

    Ladies and gentlemen, LI Phil, “the straw that stirs the drink”.
    At Uni Watch, anyway. LOL

    —Ricko

  • War Damn Eagle | May 6, 2009 at 11:20 am |

    From wiki:

    The Fincups were a short-lived team in the Ontario Hockey Association that was very successful on the ice, but did poorly generating revenue. The club bounced around in three outdated arenas in four years. Unable to turn much of a profit, the Fincups moved out of town, becoming the Brantford Alexanders.

    The name “Fincup” is a combination of the team’s owners, Joe Finochio and the Cupido brothers, Ron and Mario

  • Hott Rodd | May 6, 2009 at 11:21 am |

    [quote comment=”327942″]The All-Blacks uni change reminded me that MTV has a show named Duel,set in New Zealand, where the contestatnts all do the Haka in the opening credits.

    BTW, I will be accompanying Mr. Hecken to “Shea: this evening while wearing my newest DIY creation![/quote]

    Not only that Matt, but during the first challenge, they played a modified form of rugby where one of the teams was referred to as the all blacks..

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 11:21 am |

    [quote comment=”327933″]
    Making no value judgments, just looking at open markets and not taking into account playing sites, the list is long: Kansas City, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Hartford, Cleveland, theoretically Long Island….(just for starters)

    Granted, some would be lousy choices, but the point I’m making is the perceived attractiveness of a small market-to-larger market move.[/quote]

    Good list, Ricko.

    Milwaukee has the AHL’s Admirals, and they draw a great crowd to a hockey game. Their management team does an excellent job in marketing hockey, and they have really established a great niche there.

    Hartford has the AHL’s Wolf Pack, and they are owned by the NHL’s Rangers. Moving them would take a monumental effort, but the crowds aren’t the best in Hartford for AHL hockey. Putting a mediocre NHL team there might work, but you’d really have to get a commitment from local businesses for this to work.

    Cleveland has the AHL’s Lake Erie Monsters, and they are essentially an arena tenant when the Cavaliers aren’t playing. They don’t draw a great crowd, and really don’t have a good history to draw on. Hockey in Cleveland has failed a number of times in the NHL and IHL, so this one would be a huge risk.

    Cincinnati has the ECHL’s Cyclones, and they draw great crowds for being an ECHL team. Cincy’s last pro team was the WHA’s Stingers, and they lost money. The AHL’s Mighty Ducks lost money as well and were folded. Selling hockey in Cincy would be similar to selling hockey in Cleveland.

    Kansas City has an attractive arena run by hockey people (Ansch… whatever that group is called), so this would be an enticing offer. Due to their proximity with St. Louis, it gives the Blues an immediate rival and they can remain in the Western Conference if the ‘Yotes were to move. However, the Scouts didn’t take in KC over three years, so this would remain to be seen.

    My choices would be Long Island (keep the Isles there) and Toronto with a second team.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 11:21 am |

    [quote comment=”327942″]The All-Blacks uni change reminded me that MTV has a show named Duel,set in New Zealand, where the contestatnts all do the Haka in the opening credits.

    BTW, I will be accompanying Mr. Hecken to “Shea: this evening while wearing my newest DIY creation![/quote]

    And Phil will be dressed at Tim Gunn?

  • Greg | May 6, 2009 at 11:22 am |

    [quote comment=”327877″]The Patriots version is disappointing.
    http://www.ocregiste...

    How about these:

    http://cachemediasrv...

    http://cachemediasrv...

  • Beardface | May 6, 2009 at 11:25 am |

    [quote comment=”327933″]”Edmonton is also experiencing this trouble now – smaller city, no surrounding community support, and local businesses are being hit hard by the recession.”

    Was gonna be my next question: How much time you think the Oilers have left in Edmonton?

    Hockey isn’t like MLB, NBA or NFL. There still are plenty of medium to large markets out there, with arenas, that would look good to struggling NHL teams. And many are in colder weather environs; aren’t stuck with the Sun Belt.

    Making no value judgments, just looking at open markets and not taking into account playing sites, the list is long: Kansas City, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Hartford, Cleveland, theoretically Long Island….(just for starters)

    Granted, some would be lousy choices, but the point I’m making is the perceived attractiveness of a small market-to-larger market move.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    You can cross out the entire Northeast. The area is already too saturated with NHL franchises, and needs to lose one (Isles) instead of bring another one in, so forget moving a franchise up there. Also, forget about moving to another area in the US to a place East of the Mississippi. You’ve reached the tipping point there, and adding another team within that region just won’t do anything. Forget about the Central Plains areas outside of perhaps Kansas City. Just isn’t enough people who would care about hockey. No Northern transplants, and nobody that would sustain a team. Forget about anything in the Southern part of the West Coast, you’ve basically exhausted that area. Also, forget about anywhere in Canada that isn’t the largest untapped city in its Province. You’re not going to move a team to a small market in Canada when you can exploit a big area.

    So what do you have?

    Portland, Seattle, Hamilton, Saskatoon, or Quebec City. Maybe add in Kansas City or Las Vegas if Bettman gets his way.

  • Beardface | May 6, 2009 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment=”327940″][quote]Hockey isn’t like MLB, NBA or NFL[/quote]

    because it’s not a major sport?[/quote]
    At least not the style you’re used to seeing on Long Island

  • Lwiedy | May 6, 2009 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment=”327943″][quote comment=”327940″][quote]Hockey isn’t like MLB, NBA or NFL[/quote]

    because it’s not a major sport?[/quote]

    Ladies and gentlemen, LI Phil, “the straw that stirs the drink”.
    At Uni Watch, anyway. LOL

    —Ricko[/quote]

    “Ricko can stir it, but he can only stir it bad” —RMJ ;-)

  • Greenie | May 6, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”327931″][quote comment=”327930″]I say move the Coyotes to Wisconsin. I always wondered why we didn’t have an NHL team to begin with.

    -Greenie[/quote]

    Where in Wisconsin would you put the team? The Milwaukee Admirals have a huge following, and are a team deep in history in that town.

    Green Bay? It’s a football town. Strictly football.[/quote]

    Yeah, good points, but a guy can hope, right?

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”327949″]
    Portland, Seattle, Hamilton, Saskatoon, or Quebec City. Maybe add in Kansas City or Las Vegas if Bettman gets his way.[/quote]

    Portland is a no-go. Paul Allen has already stated he wants nothing to do with the NHL in his arena.

    Seattle? They already lost the Sonics. They won’t support an NHL team. Their WHL team is suffering right now because they get no crowds there.

    Saskatoon is definitely out. Blue-collar, working people who support the cheap tickets to the WHL’s Blades, but will never spend $400 x 41 games to see players they don’t care about. Also, no corporate sponsors who will keep the team buoyed.

    Quebec City barely wanted the NHL when the Nordiques left, so I doubt they would even be considered.

    If Phoenix failed miserably, Las Vegas would be worse. You don’t go to Vegas to watch sports. You go to Vegas to bet on sports.

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”327952″][quote comment=”327931″][quote comment=”327930″]I say move the Coyotes to Wisconsin. I always wondered why we didn’t have an NHL team to begin with.

    -Greenie[/quote]

    Where in Wisconsin would you put the team? The Milwaukee Admirals have a huge following, and are a team deep in history in that town.

    Green Bay? It’s a football town. Strictly football.[/quote]

    Yeah, good points, but a guy can hope, right?[/quote]

    Absolutely, Greenie. No one said anything about losing hope. :o)

  • Ry Co 40 | May 6, 2009 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”327942″]The All-Blacks uni change reminded me that MTV has a show named Duel,set in New Zealand, where the contestatnts all do the Haka in the opening credits.

    BTW, I will be accompanying Mr. Hecken to “Shea: this evening while wearing my newest DIY creation![/quote]

    did you DIY a mets jersey with “internet troll” on the back?!?!

    and what inning will you 2 be thrown out of the game?

  • Leo | May 6, 2009 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”327889″][quote comment=”327885″][quote comment=”327875″]I guess hockey in the desert can’t last long.
    Coyotes file for bankruptcy.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Poor Balsillie. He’s like Charlie Brown with the football.

    Also, maybe it was Doctors Day at Nationals park? ;)[/quote]

    Move them to Southern Ontario?
    Hamilton Coyotes?
    Windsor Canadians? (no, wait, that’s sorta taken)
    London Derrieres?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Part of me would be intrigued by an NHL team in Windsor. Not so much for the town to get a team the wholly hell that Mike Illitch would raise. It’d sell papers for months.

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”327955″][quote comment=”327942″]The All-Blacks uni change reminded me that MTV has a show named Duel,set in New Zealand, where the contestatnts all do the Haka in the opening credits.

    BTW, I will be accompanying Mr. Hecken to “Shea: this evening while wearing my newest DIY creation![/quote]

    did you DIY a mets jersey with “internet troll” on the back?!?!

    and what inning will you 2 be thrown out of the game?[/quote]

    I’m hoping they go as the fully-dressed umpires. LOL

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 11:34 am |

    My point was that if the Oilers have to pack up and leave they at least have more options than teams in other sports. I know for a while back when the Twins looked to move they basically had nowhere to go. Yeah, there was some B.S. about Charlotte, but…

    Anyway, the only thing left was to talk about contraction.

    So, here’s the question I ultimately was getting to: If moving even the fabled Edmonton Oilers isn’t viable, does the NHL also ponder contraction somewhere down the road? I mean, jeez, I have to concentrate to remember there’s a team in Atlanta, and I actually pay a little attention. That means less-than-casual fans don’t have a CLUE about such things as Thrashers and Predators and Blue Jackets, and that doesn’t bode well for their continuing struggle to find big money in a national TV package.

    And they simply can’t continue to pay players on a level anywhere NEAR the big three without a TV deal. Yet they try. And it’s killing them.

    —Ricko

  • Beardface | May 6, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    [quote comment=”327953″][quote comment=”327949″]
    Portland, Seattle, Hamilton, Saskatoon, or Quebec City. Maybe add in Kansas City or Las Vegas if Bettman gets his way.[/quote]
    Seattle? They already lost the Sonics. They won’t support an NHL team. Their WHL team is suffering right now because they get no crowds there.

    Quebec City barely wanted the NHL when the Nordiques left, so I doubt they would even be considered.

    If Phoenix failed miserably, Las Vegas would be worse. You don’t go to Vegas to watch sports. You go to Vegas to bet on sports.[/quote]
    With Seattle, I could see it happening. Yes, they lost the Sonics, but they’re so close to Canada and have enough Canadian transplants, that I could see them doing well. It would be worth a shot, it has a chance.

    Quebec City could be good. The city is large enough that they could definitely try again, but their hard part will be trying to cut into the Montreal fanbase. Its a possibility, but not that great of one.

    And Las Vegas? Don’t worry, I completely agree. That said, I’m not sure Bettman shares our viewpoint.

    Right now, there just aren’t that many new places an NHL franchise can go and be successful. The areas that can are already too saturated and the areas in Canada that can have already had their shot.

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    [quote comment=”327959″]
    Right now, there just aren’t that many new places an NHL franchise can go and be successful. The areas that can are already too saturated and the areas in Canada that can have already had their shot.[/quote]

    Absolutely. I proposed contraction a while back (as Ricko stated), and it seems to be a great option at this point with so many NHL teams on shaky ground.

    Shut it down. Establish a bigger market share for teams in markets with a foothold by dispersing the contracted teams’ players and increasing star power. Shut down any idea of expansion until the US TV deal is equivalent to what the NHL receives from the CBC and TSN in Canada.

  • Hott Rodd | May 6, 2009 at 11:40 am |

    [quote comment=”327953″][quote comment=”327949″]
    Portland, Seattle, Hamilton, Saskatoon, or Quebec City. Maybe add in Kansas City or Las Vegas if Bettman gets his way.[/quote]

    Portland is a no-go. Paul Allen has already stated he wants nothing to do with the NHL in his arena.

    Seattle? They already lost the Sonics. They won’t support an NHL team. Their WHL team is suffering right now because they get no crowds there.

    Saskatoon is definitely out. Blue-collar, working people who support the cheap tickets to the WHL’s Blades, but will never spend $400 x 41 games to see players they don’t care about. Also, no corporate sponsors who will keep the team buoyed.

    Quebec City barely wanted the NHL when the Nordiques left, so I doubt they would even be considered.

    If Phoenix failed miserably, Las Vegas would be worse. You don’t go to Vegas to watch sports. You go to Vegas to bet on sports.[/quote]

    The funny part is that Phoenix did better when the “Yotes were at America West Arena with obstructed view seats in downtown phoenix which has almost no nightlife than when they moved to Glendale and played in an arena built specifically for them in the middle of a thriving entertainment district that the arena anchors. The difference, setting aside the Ellman/Moyes fiasco, is that they were competitive early on. 5 out of their first 6 years they made the playoffs. They have not made the playoffs once in the last 6 years.
    No team, in any sport, draws consistently n Phoenix when they are not winning. The Suns have been here for 40 years, and sell out nearly every game, but in the early 2000s they were not drawing, because they did not make the playoffs. Phoenix is a melting pot city, and so you take a sport that does not translate well in the desert southwest anyway, and then fail to produce a competitive team, and it is hard to come up with a large enough fan base to get out of the red.

  • Ry Co 40 | May 6, 2009 at 11:40 am |

    [quote comment=”327957″][quote comment=”327955″][quote comment=”327942″]The All-Blacks uni change reminded me that MTV has a show named Duel,set in New Zealand, where the contestatnts all do the Haka in the opening credits.

    BTW, I will be accompanying Mr. Hecken to “Shea: this evening while wearing my newest DIY creation![/quote]

    did you DIY a mets jersey with “internet troll” on the back?!?!

    and what inning will you 2 be thrown out of the game?[/quote]

    I’m hoping they go as the fully-dressed umpires. LOL[/quote]

    at this point… i’m just hoping they go fully-dressed!

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 11:44 am |

    [quote comment=”327961″]
    The funny part is that Phoenix did better when the “Yotes were at America West Arena with obstructed view seats in downtown phoenix which has almost no nightlife than when they moved to Glendale and played in an arena built specifically for them in the middle of a thriving entertainment district that the arena anchors. The difference, setting aside the Ellman/Moyes fiasco, is that they were competitive early on. 5 out of their first 6 years they made the playoffs. They have not made the playoffs once in the last 6 years.
    No team, in any sport, draws consistently n Phoenix when they are not winning. The Suns have been here for 40 years, and sell out nearly every game, but in the early 2000s they were not drawing, because they did not make the playoffs. Phoenix is a melting pot city, and so you take a sport that does not translate well in the desert southwest anyway, and then fail to produce a competitive team, and it is hard to come up with a large enough fan base to get out of the red.[/quote]

    Good point, Rodd. And, not to rain on the parade, but Phoenix has been hit hard by the recession. Housing prices are at a ridiculous low for the Phoenix area, and growth has all but stopped.

    With the NHL being so reliant on the walk-up tickets and butts being in the seats, it’s the sport where teams who are hurting will be hit the hardest. And the Coyotes are a perfect example of the storm.

  • Giancarlo | May 6, 2009 at 11:45 am |

    Weren’t those magnetic team standings boards given away at IHOPs back in the ’70s? I seldom went to IHOP in those days but wanted one of those really bad, so my mother made me one DIY-style out of stiff paper, watercolor paints, & pins, along with corkboard. It turned out cooler than the magnetic version.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 11:47 am |

    [quote comment=”327962″][quote comment=”327957″][quote comment=”327955″][quote comment=”327942″]The All-Blacks uni change reminded me that MTV has a show named Duel,set in New Zealand, where the contestatnts all do the Haka in the opening credits.

    BTW, I will be accompanying Mr. Hecken to “Shea: this evening while wearing my newest DIY creation![/quote]

    did you DIY a mets jersey with “internet troll” on the back?!?!

    and what inning will you 2 be thrown out of the game?[/quote]

    I’m hoping they go as the fully-dressed umpires. LOL[/quote]

    at this point… i’m just hoping they go fully-dressed![/quote]

    Phil’s first thought, of course, was, “Define ‘fully-dressed’.”

  • Giancarlo | May 6, 2009 at 11:49 am |

    People forget that a lot of people actually live in Las Vegas, not just go there to lose money. In fact it is the biggest US city with no pro team in the big 4 leagues.

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”327966″]People forget that a lot of people actually live in Las Vegas, not just go there to lose money. In fact it is the biggest US city with no pro team in the big 4 leagues.[/quote]

    There’s that whole “gambling” problem that scares the big four leagues off.

    But not Pete Rose, thankfully. LOL

  • Wally1912 | May 6, 2009 at 11:50 am |

    That Red Sox brimless helmet style was worn by catcher Jeff Newman in the 1980s.

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  • Squiddie | May 6, 2009 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment=”327883″]Following up on yesterday’s comments – hey Squiddie, where did you find those Borchert Field pics? Google Image searches are coming up blank, are they mislabeled or something?[/quote]
    They filed under Beer Drinking. I think all the photos in that file were taken around Milwaukee, but I might be stereotyping here.

    Try this one and this one.

    From the same file but not related, I like this photo of two baseball/softball players playing pinball.

  • Hott Rodd | May 6, 2009 at 12:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”327963″][quote comment=”327961″]
    The funny part is that Phoenix did better when the “Yotes were at America West Arena with obstructed view seats in downtown phoenix which has almost no nightlife than when they moved to Glendale and played in an arena built specifically for them in the middle of a thriving entertainment district that the arena anchors. The difference, setting aside the Ellman/Moyes fiasco, is that they were competitive early on. 5 out of their first 6 years they made the playoffs. They have not made the playoffs once in the last 6 years.
    No team, in any sport, draws consistently n Phoenix when they are not winning. The Suns have been here for 40 years, and sell out nearly every game, but in the early 2000s they were not drawing, because they did not make the playoffs. Phoenix is a melting pot city, and so you take a sport that does not translate well in the desert southwest anyway, and then fail to produce a competitive team, and it is hard to come up with a large enough fan base to get out of the red.[/quote]

    Good point, Rodd. And, not to rain on the parade, but Phoenix has been hit hard by the recession. Housing prices are at a ridiculous low for the Phoenix area, and growth has all but stopped.

    With the NHL being so reliant on the walk-up tickets and butts being in the seats, it’s the sport where teams who are hurting will be hit the hardest. And the Coyotes are a perfect example of the storm.[/quote]

    Of course I am currently in a position to take advantage of the rock bottom housing market, my wife and I are trying to buy our first house. :-) But we both have jobs in stable industries, neither of us are employed by the Coyotes.

  • Beardface | May 6, 2009 at 12:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”327960″]Absolutely. I proposed contraction a while back (as Ricko stated), and it seems to be a great option at this point with so many NHL teams on shaky ground.

    Shut it down. Establish a bigger market share for teams in markets with a foothold by dispersing the contracted teams’ players and increasing star power. Shut down any idea of expansion until the US TV deal is equivalent to what the NHL receives from the CBC and TSN in Canada.[/quote]
    Yeah, I kind of agree with the idea of contraction.

    I don’t see how the NHL would be worse off if you contracted the Preds, Thrash, Panthers, and Yotes. And really, you could possibly add the Jackets and Isles to that list as well. Do that, bring the total teams down to 24 and you could have the conferences made up of 2 divisions each.
    West:
    Division A: Sharks, Kings, Ducks, Avs, Blues, Stars
    Division B: Wings, Hawks, Oilers, Flames, Canucks, Wild
    East:
    Division A: Leafs, Habs, Bruins, Sabres, Pens, Sens
    Division B: Flyers, Rangers, Caps, Canes, Bolts, Devils

    Eliminate the weak, keep the strong/surviving and move on. Plus, the divisions line up better this way

  • M.Princip | May 6, 2009 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”327938″][quote comment=”327876″][quote comment=”327868″]I’d comment on this marvelous Baseball Digest stuff, but evidently it’s already football season, because around here all we’re getting is, Will Bret Favre Wear Purple? (Part Deux).

    Sheesh.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Get back to me when the Pro! magazine archives become available. heh heh I’ll take the week off then.[/quote]

    If you’ll settle for just the covers of Pro! then your wish will come true soon![/quote]

    I’m working on a website, with a friend, that’ll feature some of the old ‘Pro!’ magazine covers as well. Stay tuned.

  • Johnny O | May 6, 2009 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”327936″][quote comment=”327931″][quote comment=”327930″]I say move the Coyotes to Wisconsin. I always wondered why we didn’t have an NHL team to begin with.

    -Greenie[/quote]

    Where in Wisconsin would you put the team? The Milwaukee Admirals have a huge following, and are a team deep in history in that town.

    Green Bay? It’s a football town. Strictly football.[/quote]

    Green Bay has a hockey team – I’ve seen them play, to boot!

    http://www.gamblersh...

    Goodness… how many times have the Gamblers changed their uniform and logo in the past 10 years? Or is that common in the USHL for teams to change logos and such often?

  • MPowers1634 | May 6, 2009 at 12:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”327955″][quote comment=”327942″]The All-Blacks uni change reminded me that MTV has a show named Duel,set in New Zealand, where the contestatnts all do the Haka in the opening credits.

    BTW, I will be accompanying Mr. Hecken to “Shea: this evening while wearing my newest DIY creation![/quote]

    did you DIY a mets jersey with “internet troll” on the back?!?!

    and what inning will you 2 be thrown out of the game?[/quote]

    Even if we were to go dressed as umpires, we”ll be so far away from home plate that noone would notice us.

    I love baseball too much to get thrown out of a game.

    I haven’t been to a Mets game since 1983, when I was 6 years old, so I am very excited about going to a Major League Ballgame…I just hope two major league teams show up to play this evening.

  • Lee | May 6, 2009 at 12:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”327949″][quote comment=”327933″]”Edmonton is also experiencing this trouble now – smaller city, no surrounding community support, and local businesses are being hit hard by the recession.”

    Was gonna be my next question: How much time you think the Oilers have left in Edmonton?

    Hockey isn’t like MLB, NBA or NFL. There still are plenty of medium to large markets out there, with arenas, that would look good to struggling NHL teams. And many are in colder weather environs; aren’t stuck with the Sun Belt.

    Making no value judgments, just looking at open markets and not taking into account playing sites, the list is long: Kansas City, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Hartford, Cleveland, theoretically Long Island….(just for starters)

    Granted, some would be lousy choices, but the point I’m making is the perceived attractiveness of a small market-to-larger market move.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    You can cross out the entire Northeast. The area is already too saturated with NHL franchises, and needs to lose one (Isles) instead of bring another one in, so forget moving a franchise up there. Also, forget about moving to another area in the US to a place East of the Mississippi. You’ve reached the tipping point there, and adding another team within that region just won’t do anything. Forget about the Central Plains areas outside of perhaps Kansas City. Just isn’t enough people who would care about hockey. No Northern transplants, and nobody that would sustain a team. Forget about anything in the Southern part of the West Coast, you’ve basically exhausted that area. Also, forget about anywhere in Canada that isn’t the largest untapped city in its Province. You’re not going to move a team to a small market in Canada when you can exploit a big area.

    So what do you have?

    Portland, Seattle, Hamilton, Saskatoon, or Quebec City. Maybe add in Kansas City or Las Vegas if Bettman gets his way.[/quote]

    How about the NHL coming to it’s senses and use this opportunity to dump the dead weight?
    They don’t need relocation/expansion, they’d be better served overall by contracting down to 24-26 teams.

  • mmwatkin | May 6, 2009 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”327967″][quote comment=”327966″]People forget that a lot of people actually live in Las Vegas, not just go there to lose money. In fact it is the biggest US city with no pro team in the big 4 leagues.[/quote]

    There’s that whole “gambling” problem that scares the big four leagues off.

    But not Pete Rose, thankfully. LOL[/quote]

    That argument is the dumbest objection to a having a pro sports team in Vegas. Look at Detroit. They have 3 large Casinos (not dinky Indian casinos) downtown and another across that river that has sports betting. Add to that the boom of online sports gambling and it really doesn’t matter if a city has casinos or not. People who are going to bet on the games will do so.

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2009 at 12:21 pm |

    [quote]I love baseball too much to get thrown out of a game[/quote]

    famous last words

  • u2-horn | May 6, 2009 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”327975″][quote comment=”327949″][quote comment=”327933″]”Edmonton is also experiencing this trouble now – smaller city, no surrounding community support, and local businesses are being hit hard by the recession.”

    Was gonna be my next question: How much time you think the Oilers have left in Edmonton?

    Hockey isn’t like MLB, NBA or NFL. There still are plenty of medium to large markets out there, with arenas, that would look good to struggling NHL teams. And many are in colder weather environs; aren’t stuck with the Sun Belt.

    Making no value judgments, just looking at open markets and not taking into account playing sites, the list is long: Kansas City, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Hartford, Cleveland, theoretically Long Island….(just for starters)

    Granted, some would be lousy choices, but the point I’m making is the perceived attractiveness of a small market-to-larger market move.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    You can cross out the entire Northeast. The area is already too saturated with NHL franchises, and needs to lose one (Isles) instead of bring another one in, so forget moving a franchise up there. Also, forget about moving to another area in the US to a place East of the Mississippi. You’ve reached the tipping point there, and adding another team within that region just won’t do anything. Forget about the Central Plains areas outside of perhaps Kansas City. Just isn’t enough people who would care about hockey. No Northern transplants, and nobody that would sustain a team. Forget about anything in the Southern part of the West Coast, you’ve basically exhausted that area. Also, forget about anywhere in Canada that isn’t the largest untapped city in its Province. You’re not going to move a team to a small market in Canada when you can exploit a big area.

    So what do you have?

    Portland, Seattle, Hamilton, Saskatoon, or Quebec City. Maybe add in Kansas City or Las Vegas if Bettman gets his way.[/quote]

    How about the NHL coming to it’s senses and use this opportunity to dump the dead weight?
    They don’t need relocation/expansion, they’d be better served overall by contracting down to 24-26 teams.[/quote]

    So, um…uniforms are cool…and, stuff.

  • Hott Rodd | May 6, 2009 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”327977″][quote]I love baseball too much to get thrown out of a game[/quote]

    famous last words[/quote]

    My thought exactly

  • Beardface | May 6, 2009 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”327976″][quote comment=”327967″][quote comment=”327966″]People forget that a lot of people actually live in Las Vegas, not just go there to lose money. In fact it is the biggest US city with no pro team in the big 4 leagues.[/quote]

    There’s that whole “gambling” problem that scares the big four leagues off.

    But not Pete Rose, thankfully. LOL[/quote]

    That argument is the dumbest objection to a having a pro sports team in Vegas. Look at Detroit. They have 3 large Casinos (not dinky Indian casinos) downtown and another across that river that has sports betting. Add to that the boom of online sports gambling and it really doesn’t matter if a city has casinos or not. People who are going to bet on the games will do so.[/quote]
    But Detroit didn’t grow because it was a gambling town, they grew because of the Auto Industry.

    Las Vegas grew because they aligned themselves with gambling, and they have grown as a gambling establishment. Whereas a casino in any other city is something to mention, Las Vegas is a place where anything other than gambling being in the city is worth mentioning.

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 12:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”327976″][quote comment=”327967″][quote comment=”327966″]People forget that a lot of people actually live in Las Vegas, not just go there to lose money. In fact it is the biggest US city with no pro team in the big 4 leagues.[/quote]

    There’s that whole “gambling” problem that scares the big four leagues off.

    But not Pete Rose, thankfully. LOL[/quote]

    That argument is the dumbest objection to a having a pro sports team in Vegas. Look at Detroit. They have 3 large Casinos (not dinky Indian casinos) downtown and another across that river that has sports betting. Add to that the boom of online sports gambling and it really doesn’t matter if a city has casinos or not. People who are going to bet on the games will do so.[/quote]

    So when the leagues publicly say that they don’t want to deal with that kind of negative publicity in the event that someone within their ranks gives into temptation, what do you make of that?

    You know, considering the blackballing that Pete Rose took. And Rick Tocchet has taken.

  • Beardface | May 6, 2009 at 12:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”327978″]So, um…uniforms are cool…and, stuff.[/quote]
    Nice effective post. I mean, in an attempt to change the subject back to uniforms, you resort to only complaining.

    ok, here’s a suggestion, want to change the subject, change it yourself. Bring up a topic we’d like to discuss, then it’ll change. Complaining, that won’t do anything.

  • dgc | May 6, 2009 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”327966″]People forget that a lot of people actually live in Las Vegas, not just go there to lose money. In fact it is the biggest US city with no pro team in the big 4 leagues.[/quote]
    Just out of curiosity, what’s the demographics of the actual Vegas residents? If most of a expected fanbase are hourly casino workers, I’m not sure such a franchise would necessarily work. IIRC Caps owner Ted Leonsis has said that the Caps’ fanbase slants toward a more affluent demographic which seems to match the long time TV sponsorships.

  • mmwatkin | May 6, 2009 at 12:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”327981″][quote comment=”327976″][quote comment=”327967″][quote comment=”327966″]People forget that a lot of people actually live in Las Vegas, not just go there to lose money. In fact it is the biggest US city with no pro team in the big 4 leagues.[/quote]

    There’s that whole “gambling” problem that scares the big four leagues off.

    But not Pete Rose, thankfully. LOL[/quote]

    That argument is the dumbest objection to a having a pro sports team in Vegas. Look at Detroit. They have 3 large Casinos (not dinky Indian casinos) downtown and another across that river that has sports betting. Add to that the boom of online sports gambling and it really doesn’t matter if a city has casinos or not. People who are going to bet on the games will do so.[/quote]

    So when the leagues publicly say that they don’t want to deal with that kind of negative publicity in the event that someone within their ranks gives into temptation, what do you make of that?

    You know, considering the blackballing that Pete Rose took. And Rick Tocchet has taken.[/quote]

    My point is that any pro league that uses the gambling excuse to prevent a team from moving to Vegas is lying. Vegas isn’t run by the mob anymore. It is run by multi billion dollar companies that make it a tourist attraction. The reason that the city would not have a loyal fanbase because they are transplants from other cities would be a much more valid point.

  • odessasteps magazine | May 6, 2009 at 12:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”327981″][quote comment=”327976″][quote comment=”327967″][quote comment=”327966″]People forget that a lot of people actually live in Las Vegas, not just go there to lose money. In fact it is the biggest US city with no pro team in the big 4 leagues.[/quote]

    There’s that whole “gambling” problem that scares the big four leagues off.

    But not Pete Rose, thankfully. LOL[/quote]

    That argument is the dumbest objection to a having a pro sports team in Vegas. Look at Detroit. They have 3 large Casinos (not dinky Indian casinos) downtown and another across that river that has sports betting. Add to that the boom of online sports gambling and it really doesn’t matter if a city has casinos or not. People who are going to bet on the games will do so.[/quote]

    So when the leagues publicly say that they don’t want to deal with that kind of negative publicity in the event that someone within their ranks gives into temptation, what do you make of that?

    You know, considering the blackballing that Pete Rose took. And Rick Tocchet has taken.[/quote]Rick Tocchet, the [i]current[/i] coach of the Tampa Bay Lightning?

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 12:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”327985″][quote comment=”327981″][quote comment=”327976″][quote comment=”327967″][quote comment=”327966″]People forget that a lot of people actually live in Las Vegas, not just go there to lose money. In fact it is the biggest US city with no pro team in the big 4 leagues.[/quote]

    There’s that whole “gambling” problem that scares the big four leagues off.

    But not Pete Rose, thankfully. LOL[/quote]

    That argument is the dumbest objection to a having a pro sports team in Vegas. Look at Detroit. They have 3 large Casinos (not dinky Indian casinos) downtown and another across that river that has sports betting. Add to that the boom of online sports gambling and it really doesn’t matter if a city has casinos or not. People who are going to bet on the games will do so.[/quote]

    So when the leagues publicly say that they don’t want to deal with that kind of negative publicity in the event that someone within their ranks gives into temptation, what do you make of that?

    You know, considering the blackballing that Pete Rose took. And Rick Tocchet has taken.[/quote]Rick Tocchet, the [i]current[/i] coach of the Tampa Bay Lightning?[/quote]

    Yes, he who has a criminal record and cannot gamble on anything while employed by the NHL.

    BTW, just goes to show you how deep the problems in TeeBay run – a convict is running the asylum.

  • Bourbon Soaked Idiot | May 6, 2009 at 12:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”327946″][quote comment=”327933″]
    Making no value judgments, just looking at open markets and not taking into account playing sites, the list is long: Kansas City, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Hartford, Cleveland, theoretically Long Island….(just for starters)

    Granted, some would be lousy choices, but the point I’m making is the perceived attractiveness of a small market-to-larger market move.[/quote]

    Good list, Ricko.

    Milwaukee has the AHL’s Admirals, and they draw a great crowd to a hockey game. Their management team does an excellent job in marketing hockey, and they have really established a great niche there.

    Hartford has the AHL’s Wolf Pack, and they are owned by the NHL’s Rangers. Moving them would take a monumental effort, but the crowds aren’t the best in Hartford for AHL hockey. Putting a mediocre NHL team there might work, but you’d really have to get a commitment from local businesses for this to work.

    Cleveland has the AHL’s Lake Erie Monsters, and they are essentially an arena tenant when the Cavaliers aren’t playing. They don’t draw a great crowd, and really don’t have a good history to draw on. Hockey in Cleveland has failed a number of times in the NHL and IHL, so this one would be a huge risk.

    Cincinnati has the ECHL’s Cyclones, and they draw great crowds for being an ECHL team. Cincy’s last pro team was the WHA’s Stingers, and they lost money. The AHL’s Mighty Ducks lost money as well and were folded. Selling hockey in Cincy would be similar to selling hockey in Cleveland.

    Kansas City has an attractive arena run by hockey people (Ansch… whatever that group is called), so this would be an enticing offer. Due to their proximity with St. Louis, it gives the Blues an immediate rival and they can remain in the Western Conference if the ‘Yotes were to move. However, the Scouts didn’t take in KC over three years, so this would remain to be seen.

    My choices would be Long Island (keep the Isles there) and Toronto with a second team.[/quote]

    Portland would seem to be an option. Rename them the Buckaroos. They would make a natural rival with Vancouver. If Seattle had a good arena it would also make sense.

  • tom farley | May 6, 2009 at 12:39 pm |

    I think all the photos in that file were taken around Milwaukee, but I might be stereotyping here.
    Or Life’s editors were. Then again, here in Wisconsin, beer is sacred. ;-) In any event, good hunting, Squiddie.

    Chance Michaels, I love your Borchert Field site. I shudder to think to what lengths I would go to see a decent photo from the Packers-Giants game there on Oct. 1, 1933.

    The closest I’ve come is a teeny image from an eBay auction of the next day’s Journal sports section. I’m reasonably certain it was a picture of a football game …

  • Skycat | May 6, 2009 at 12:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”327923″][quote comment=”327919″]Baseball Digest uni-related item from December 1963, Mickey Mantle’s opinion of the A’s green and gold unis: “They should have come out of the dugout on tippy-toes, holding hands and singing.”[/quote]

    also from there:

    [quote]Most Elusive Runner — Warren Giles, the N. L. prexy[/quote]

    prexy? doesn’t that only refer to college presidents or have province in Variety and other trade magazines?[/quote]
    Another item that caught by attention was the description of Gene Freese (seventh paragraph). Apparently Mr. Freese had problems with his bat.

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 12:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”327984″]
    My point is that any pro league that uses the gambling excuse to prevent a team from moving to Vegas is lying. Vegas isn’t run by the mob anymore. It is run by multi billion dollar companies that make it a tourist attraction. The reason that the city would not have a loyal fanbase because they are transplants from other cities would be a much more valid point.[/quote]

    If it is a tourist attraction, why would the corporations be in favour of attracting something that could potentially REMOVE people from their attractions?

    Again, gambling while employed by a sports league is a major problem – one that leagues do not want to bridge.

    Does it happen elsewhere? Of course. But the availability of gambling in Vegas is a part of the problem. It would be akin to giving an alcoholic a job in a liquor bottling plant.

  • Taha | May 6, 2009 at 12:40 pm |

    There is a story that Dom Delouise once went into Paul Prudhomme’s restaurant, and the staff thought it was the boss.

    it’s even mentioned in the AP article about Delouise’s passing

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2009 at 12:42 pm |

    [quote]It would be akin to giving an alcoholic a job in a liquor bottling plant. [/quote]

    worked out ok for mayday

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 12:44 pm |

    Do we perchance know to which Mets combination Mr. Hecken and Mr. Powers will be subjected this evening?

    Any guesses?

    Also, which t-shirt should Phil wear:
    1. “I’M CALLING IT SHAY”
    2. “PERSONALLY, I’M INTO FLUSHING”
    3. “WHERE’S MOOKIE?”

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 12:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”327992″][quote]It would be akin to giving an alcoholic a job in a liquor bottling plant. [/quote]

    worked out ok for mayday[/quote]

    Hmmm…. good point. Maybe there is a way to get sports into Vegas. LOL

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 12:49 pm |

    Want some real fun?

    Check out how Scott Boras would make the World Series better.

    And you thought hockey had its problems. LOL

  • Namhob | May 6, 2009 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”327946″][quote comment=”327933″]
    Making no value judgments, just looking at open markets and not taking into account playing sites, the list is long: Kansas City, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Hartford, Cleveland, theoretically Long Island….(just for starters)

    Granted, some would be lousy choices, but the point I’m making is the perceived attractiveness of a small market-to-larger market move.[/quote]

    Good list, Ricko.

    Milwaukee has the AHL’s Admirals, and they draw a great crowd to a hockey game. Their management team does an excellent job in marketing hockey, and they have really established a great niche there.

    Hartford has the AHL’s Wolf Pack, and they are owned by the NHL’s Rangers. Moving them would take a monumental effort, but the crowds aren’t the best in Hartford for AHL hockey. Putting a mediocre NHL team there might work, but you’d really have to get a commitment from local businesses for this to work.

    Cleveland has the AHL’s Lake Erie Monsters, and they are essentially an arena tenant when the Cavaliers aren’t playing. They don’t draw a great crowd, and really don’t have a good history to draw on. Hockey in Cleveland has failed a number of times in the NHL and IHL, so this one would be a huge risk.

    Cincinnati has the ECHL’s Cyclones, and they draw great crowds for being an ECHL team. Cincy’s last pro team was the WHA’s Stingers, and they lost money. The AHL’s Mighty Ducks lost money as well and were folded. Selling hockey in Cincy would be similar to selling hockey in Cleveland.

    Kansas City has an attractive arena run by hockey people (Ansch… whatever that group is called), so this would be an enticing offer. Due to their proximity with St. Louis, it gives the Blues an immediate rival and they can remain in the Western Conference if the ‘Yotes were to move. However, the Scouts didn’t take in KC over three years, so this would remain to be seen.

    My choices would be Long Island (keep the Isles there) and Toronto with a second team.[/quote]
    Great analysis, Teebz. I will concur with Cincinnati. The only reason the Cyclones are popular right now is from winning the Kelly Cup last year and possibly doing it again. The marketing team has done a great job offering cheap tickets as well as promotions that get people to come out and watch the Cyclones. In Cincinnati winning is everything and if the team isn’t winning then no one is coming. An NHL franchise would have to be succesful immediately for any chance of staying in Cincy.

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”327922″]Winnipeg has 650,000 total. Surrounding areas? About 10,000. There is no fanbase for $250-400 tickets either. It’s a blue-collar town.

    Also, it helps if there was some serious corporate support, and Winnipeg does not have that support necessary to operate an NHL franchise.

    Those reasons are why the team left in the first place.[/quote]

    Good Friend Teebz, all I can say here is “don’t go too far with the raw numbers”. Houston isn’t on anyone’s list for an NHL team, yet their population count is far in excess of many areas with NHL teams. There has to be some interest factor/multiplier considered for these types of decsions.

    Sure there’s many good reasons why hockey is deserting Canada. The acting career of Mrs Wayne Gretzky, the idea that you need corporate money/suites to survive and the TV contracts all come to mind. My only comment is that you can’t just plug some numbers into a computer and come to a good decision.

    To everyone who mentioned contraction: IMHO, a great idea but don’t just limit it to the NHL. (I know it will never get done, but it remains a good idea who’s time will only come after a mid-season bankrupcty-if then.)

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”327997″][quote comment=”327922″]Winnipeg has 650,000 total. Surrounding areas? About 10,000. There is no fanbase for $250-400 tickets either. It’s a blue-collar town.

    Also, it helps if there was some serious corporate support, and Winnipeg does not have that support necessary to operate an NHL franchise.

    Those reasons are why the team left in the first place.[/quote]

    Good Friend Teebz, all I can say here is “don’t go too far with the raw numbers”. Houston isn’t on anyone’s list for an NHL team, yet their population count is far in excess of many areas with NHL teams. There has to be some interest factor/multiplier considered for these types of decsions.

    [/quote]

    Houston is a very good option, but with the number of pro teams in Texas (Dallas Stars, AHL Houston Aeros, AHL San Antonio Rampage, AHL Austin franchise in 09-10), getting a pro team in Houston is a pipe dream. Unless two or all three AHL teams pack up and leave the Lone Star State, the NHL and Tom Hicks would have no interest in bringing another team to Texas.

  • Hank | May 6, 2009 at 12:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”327850″]Isn’t the plural of Bison, Bison? Not according to Lipscomb.[/quote]

    Or the AAA affiliate of the Mets. http://buffalo.bison...

  • Scott Little | May 6, 2009 at 1:00 pm |

    We had a functioning bowl-a-rama when I was a kid. I recommend all parents get them
    (unfortunately they weigh almost a ton). I learned quite a bit about circuits, capacitors, pulleys, etc. when it was time to fix it.

    The pins are hooked to wires, with weights at the other end. There are magnets under the pindeck, and when the magnet is no longer attracted to the pin (you hit it) the machine lets the weight fall and pull the pin up inside the machine.

    good times….

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 1:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”327969″]They filed under Beer Drinking. I think all the photos in that file were taken around Milwaukee, but I might be stereotyping here.

    Try this one and this one.[/quote]

    Sterotyping?? Why do you say Milwaukee? Just becaue of the foot-tall aisle numbers painted on the floor in that second picture?

    Hey, people can pass out in almost any town… :-)

  • chance michaels | May 6, 2009 at 1:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”327969″][quote comment=”327883″]Following up on yesterday’s comments – hey Squiddie, where did you find those Borchert Field pics? Google Image searches are coming up blank, are they mislabeled or something?[/quote]
    They filed under Beer Drinking. I think all the photos in that file were taken around Milwaukee, but I might be stereotyping here.

    Try this one and this one.
    [/quote]
    That’s bizarre. Thanks!

    I’m putting these on my blog – let me know if you want your real name or nom d’Internet used for the hat-tip….

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 1:06 pm |

    RE: Boras and neutral site for World Series.

    I think that is EXACTLY what MLB is maneuvering itself into, by design. Pushing the season deeper into November is all about that. They’re HOPING weather experiences take things to the point where they can say, “Well, guess we have no choice but to go to a neutral site for W-S.”

    MLB looks at the Super Bowl and wants its premier event, like the Super Bowl, to be a huge deal for all its corporate sponsors, big wigs and other fat cats.

    In some boardroom, MLB has envisioned a sort of baseball Mardi Gras of a week or more rotating among places like Miami, L.A, Houston, Phoenix (or cities with domes)…perhaps even New Orleans itself as an ultimate neutral site. MLB wants that kind of sustained orgy of attention, spending and advertising revenue smack in the middle of the NFL season.

    I may not be around to see it, but I’ll bet within a decade, perhaps a bit more, that’s the way it is.

    Go ahead, call me crazy. Or trust the instincts of someone who’s been watching this shit—inside and out as fan, journalist and PR person—for 55 years now.

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 1:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”327998″]…getting a pro team in Houston is a pipe dream. Unless two or all three AHL teams pack up and leave the Lone Star State, the NHL and Tom Hicks would have no interest in bringing another team to Texas.[/quote]

    Hey, I sure hope so. Hockey in areas where its only there for the raw population numbers has always been a crapshoot at best IMHO. (Tampa, North Carolina, Nashville and a number of others come to mind.) And to meld this with another of my prejudices: give the &*$# Stars nickname back to Minnesota and think up one yourselves, #*&@it!!!

    As noted, if you don’t contract at least look more seriously at places where kids actually play hockey as they grow up.

    Sitting here in Chicago, personally I think that either Milwaukee or suburban Chicago should get stronger consideration: but I’ll acknowledge that people may say I’m biased.

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 1:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”328004″]
    Sitting here in Chicago, personally I think that either Milwaukee or suburban Chicago should get stronger consideration: but I’ll acknowledge that people may say I’m biased.[/quote]

    Both places you just mentioned have very strong AHL teams.

  • Scott Gleeson Blue | May 6, 2009 at 1:12 pm |

    April 1973: Does anyone have any of these mini-sport kits?

    Definitely HAD the NBA kit: 401 & 402. Will check on my next visit home to the Midwest in late May and see if they\’re still resting comfortably in the attic, sending pictures as appropriate.

    The wood floor sticker was super cool on these, though the connection between the backboard and the standard was tenuous — especially for a 5-year old.

  • Ben | May 6, 2009 at 1:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”327997″][quote comment=”327922″]Winnipeg has 650,000 total. Surrounding areas? About 10,000. There is no fanbase for $250-400 tickets either. It’s a blue-collar town.

    Also, it helps if there was some serious corporate support, and Winnipeg does not have that support necessary to operate an NHL franchise.

    Those reasons are why the team left in the first place.[/quote]

    Good Friend Teebz, all I can say here is “don’t go too far with the raw numbers”. Houston isn’t on anyone’s list for an NHL team, yet their population count is far in excess of many areas with NHL teams. There has to be some interest factor/multiplier considered for these types of decsions.

    Sure there’s many good reasons why hockey is deserting Canada. The acting career of Mrs Wayne Gretzky, the idea that you need corporate money/suites to survive and the TV contracts all come to mind. My only comment is that you can’t just plug some numbers into a computer and come to a good decision.

    To everyone who mentioned contraction: IMHO, a great idea but don’t just limit it to the NHL. (I know it will never get done, but it remains a good idea who’s time will only come after a mid-season bankrupcty-if then.)[/quote]

    I am a Canadian hockey fan in the Hamilton market and have been following this story for a long time. There are territorial rights, 50 mile radius. Hamilton falls under both Toronto and Buffalo, but….
    Kitchener/Waterloo (Headquarters for RIM Jim Balsillie) is OUTSIDE all territorial rights. It is within 3 hours of 7 million people, and may well be the new home of the Coyotes.
    Also on territorial rights, the leafs and sabres both have 1 vote, neither can veto a move, but it is speculated all the owners would vote with them.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 1:13 pm |

    Seriously. Ponder it. No travel days. Barring rain, seven straight prime time nights of World Series. Eventually the teams involved almost cease to matter. It would the ultimate annual mini-series…the games and all the debauchery around them. “The Today Show” and “Access Hollywood” would stay in town the whole time. Hell, “The View” would probably broadcast from there. My god, “World Series Week”. MLB is wet just thinking about it. They frickin’ can’t wait. They just need winter weather to take them to it. And the public will willingly agree.

  • pflava | May 6, 2009 at 1:14 pm |

    For the NHL (and NBA) the time to seriously consider contraction has come. Too many teams, oversaturated markets, too much competition for the ever-dwindling disposable entertainment dollar.

    Regarding the World Series chatter, when will the other leagues ever learn – one of the main reasons the Super Bowl is such an event is because it’s ONE GAME.

  • Beardface | May 6, 2009 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”328004″][quote comment=”327998″]…getting a pro team in Houston is a pipe dream. Unless two or all three AHL teams pack up and leave the Lone Star State, the NHL and Tom Hicks would have no interest in bringing another team to Texas.[/quote]

    Hey, I sure hope so. Hockey in areas where its only there for the raw population numbers has always been a crapshoot at best IMHO. (Tampa, North Carolina, Nashville and a number of others come to mind.) And to meld this with another of my prejudices: give the &*$# Stars nickname back to Minnesota and think up one yourselves, #*&@it!!!

    As noted, if you don’t contract at least look more seriously at places where kids actually play hockey as they grow up.

    Sitting here in Chicago, personally I think that either Milwaukee or suburban Chicago should get stronger consideration: but I’ll acknowledge that people may say I’m biased.[/quote]
    The Carolina Hurricanes moving to Raleigh was NOT about sheer numbers, trust me. There weren’t even 1 million residents in this area when the team relocated from Hartford. If numbers was the reason, the team would be located in Charlotte.

    They moved because Raleigh is probably the most culturally Northern city in the Southeast. The amount of NE transplants that have moved down from NYC, Boston, Philly, Buffalo, and Pitt because of the Research Triangle Park opened up a viable potential for hockey to take a strong foothold, and it did. Plus, building an arena would be cheap, and you could pay players less than the big market teams and have the players living a richer lifestyle down here than up North, the difference in cost of living is that drastic.

  • tom farley | May 6, 2009 at 1:19 pm |

    I hear you, Ricko. It would shift baseball from the competition side of the dial to deep into the commodification side.

    I’m presuming, perhaps a trifle too optimistically, that we’re safe from the owners doing any of this. Because it’s Boras’ idea.

  • Beardface | May 6, 2009 at 1:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”328008″]Seriously. Ponder it. No travel days. Barring rain, seven straight prime time nights of World Series. Eventually the teams involved almost cease to matter. It would the ultimate annual mini-series…the games and all the debauchery around them. “The Today Show” and “Access Hollywood” would stay in town the whole time. Hell, “The View” would probably broadcast from there. My god, “World Series Week”. MLB is wet just thinking about it. They frickin’ can’t wait. They just need winter weather to take them to it. And the public will willingly agree.[/quote]
    Fortunately, there is no way in hell the owners would allow baseball to take away the revenue of having 2-3 home games with extremely jacked up ticket prices during the World Series.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 1:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”328009″]For the NHL (and NBA) the time to seriously consider contraction has come. Too many teams, oversaturated markets, too much competition for the ever-dwindling disposable entertainment dollar.

    Regarding the World Series chatter, when will the other leagues ever learn – one of the main reasons the Super Bowl is such an event is because it’s ONE GAME.[/quote]

    Let’s talk about one of many other ways MLB benefits from a neutral site W-S, and the resulting clout.

    How To Get a Stadium Built In…say, Tampa: Guarantee the city a “World Series Week” as soon as possible after construction is complete. The revenue–and exposure–for any such metro area would be be astronomical.

    I’m tellin’ ya…it’s comin’.

    For SO many reasons. All of them about economics.

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 1:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”328005″]Both places you just mentioned have very strong AHL teams.[/quote]
    Absolutely, and that’s one of the reasons I think they both should be mentioned more often.

    The Hawks are doing great now, but during the later years of the Wirtzy era there were a few dates when the Wolves outdrew them on a “fannies in the seats” basis when they both played home games. :-) Not every time, but a few.

    And if you want to talk about the early days of the Wolves when they didn’t have a farm team agreement: they were a great show night after night.

  • Andy11 | May 6, 2009 at 1:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”327879″]However, the Packers version is great!
    http://fangear.chron...

    Can anyone find the Giants’ version?

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 1:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”328010″]The Carolina Hurricanes moving to Raleigh was NOT about sheer numbers, trust me.[/quote]
    Okay: as I said it was a crapshoot, I’ll put you down as considering the Hurricanes move as a “natural”. :-)

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”328008″]Seriously. Ponder it. No travel days. Barring rain, seven straight prime time nights of World Series. Eventually the teams involved almost cease to matter. It would the ultimate annual mini-series…the games and all the debauchery around them. “The Today Show” and “Access Hollywood” would stay in town the whole time. Hell, “The View” would probably broadcast from there. My god, “World Series Week”. MLB is wet just thinking about it. They frickin’ can’t wait. They just need winter weather to take them to it. And the public will willingly agree.[/quote]
    Ricko, Ricko, Ricko: don’t you get it? If this happened, the All-Star game wouldn’t matter any more.

    :-))))

  • Jeremiah | May 6, 2009 at 1:32 pm |

    I’m sure it’s been mentioned before, if not, has anyone ever noticed how much this looks like this?

  • chance michaels | May 6, 2009 at 1:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”328014″][quote comment=”328005″]Both places you just mentioned have very strong AHL teams.[/quote]
    Absolutely, and that’s one of the reasons I think they both should be mentioned more often.
    [/quote]

    Agreed – Milwaukee should definitely be on the list. The arena’s old, so maybe not on the short list, but definitely on the list.

    Ironic, too, since the Bradley Center was built with private money specifically to draw an NHL franchise.

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 1:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”328017″][quote comment=”328008″]Seriously. Ponder it. No travel days. Barring rain, seven straight prime time nights of World Series. Eventually the teams involved almost cease to matter. It would the ultimate annual mini-series…the games and all the debauchery around them. “The Today Show” and “Access Hollywood” would stay in town the whole time. Hell, “The View” would probably broadcast from there. My god, “World Series Week”. MLB is wet just thinking about it. They frickin’ can’t wait. They just need winter weather to take them to it. And the public will willingly agree.[/quote]
    Ricko, Ricko, Ricko: don’t you get it? If this happened, the All-Star game wouldn’t matter any more.

    :-))))[/quote]

    How would one determine home-field advantage with no All-Star Game??? LOL

  • chance michaels | May 6, 2009 at 1:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”328018″]I’m sure it’s been mentioned before, if not, has anyone ever noticed how much this looks like this?[/quote]
    It’s been noticed once or twice.

    Especially since Walgreens uses the initial-only version as well.

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”328019″][quote comment=”328014″][quote comment=”328005″]Both places you just mentioned have very strong AHL teams.[/quote]
    Absolutely, and that’s one of the reasons I think they both should be mentioned more often.
    [/quote]

    Agreed – Milwaukee should definitely be on the list. The arena’s old, so maybe not on the short list, but definitely on the list.

    Ironic, too, since the Bradley Center was built with private money specifically to draw an NHL franchise.[/quote]

    Don’t you think the Admirals have such a strong following is because they AREN’T the NHL?

    Ticket prices will escalate, casual fans will stop attending with their kids, corporate support will be required, the Brewers will no longer be involved…

    All of it is a bad idea.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”328012″][quote comment=”328008″]Seriously. Ponder it. No travel days. Barring rain, seven straight prime time nights of World Series. Eventually the teams involved almost cease to matter. It would the ultimate annual mini-series…the games and all the debauchery around them. “The Today Show” and “Access Hollywood” would stay in town the whole time. Hell, “The View” would probably broadcast from there. My god, “World Series Week”. MLB is wet just thinking about it. They frickin’ can’t wait. They just need winter weather to take them to it. And the public will willingly agree.[/quote]
    Fortunately, there is no way in hell the owners would allow baseball to take away the revenue of having 2-3 home games with extremely jacked up ticket prices during the World Series.[/quote]

    You’re missing the bigger picture. There’s far more potential money involved—for every team—than the revenues for 2-3 home W-S games. They won’t need hometown fans for the W-S anymore. And they won’t care, either, because the money and the exposure will be so great.

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying it would necessarily be so. I’m saying this is what they’re envisioning. They have to be. There is no sane reason to push the W-S deeper into November unless you’re up to something. Short term it’s about money, yes. Long term, it’s about even more money. I’m telling you, this is what’s on their minds.

    Stop thinking that they give a shit about individual fans or even, to a great degree, individual teams. Once you accept that, it’s much easier to project the direction of all this.

    I’m not angry with, just saying get past the “fan perspective.” See it though owners’ eyes and the ulterior motive of extending the season starts to come through.

    —Ricko

  • Squiddie | May 6, 2009 at 1:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”328002″][quote comment=”327969″][quote comment=”327883″]Following up on yesterday’s comments – hey Squiddie, where did you find those Borchert Field pics? Google Image searches are coming up blank, are they mislabeled or something?[/quote]
    They are filed under Beer Drinking. I think all the photos in that file were taken around Milwaukee, but I might be stereotyping here.

    Try this one and this one.
    [/quote]
    That’s bizarre. Thanks!

    I’m putting these on my blog – let me know if you want your real name or nom d’Internet used for the hat-tip….[/quote]

    I was about to comment over in your blog when I saw your comment in today’s UW. Squiddie is fine for any TOTH.

    One more. And just when I think I’m done, there’s another one. It’s a huge set and you only get 200 thumbnails.

    Anyway, if you like old bars it’s worth looking through the set, too.

  • TommyD | May 6, 2009 at 1:38 pm |

    inter-league play proposed in 1955

    http://books.google....

    typical MLB, it only took 40 years to get done

    no more DH (or a DH in the NL) by 2048!

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 1:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”328022″]Don’t you think the Admirals have such a strong following is because they AREN’T the NHL?

    Ticket prices will escalate, casual fans will stop attending with their kids, corporate support will be required, the Brewers will no longer be involved…

    All of it is a bad idea.[/quote]
    But OTOH Teebz, do you argue that a good place for an NHL franchise to move is a city that doesn’t have a strong minor-league tradition/following?

    For me, following and tradition and grass-roots support trumps raw numbers and corporate “potential”. I know I’m a Don Quixote on this stance, but that’s still how I feel.

    And you have to admit that a big reason the Yankees are lowering the prices on those $2600 tickets is because those empty seats look silly on TV. So there is some value to having a rabid following instead of the brie-and-Cabernet set.

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”328020″]How would one determine home-field advantage with no All-Star Game??? LOL[/quote]Stop it, just stop it now Teebz. You’re making Bud Selig’s head hurt. :-)

    Some of my internet buddies had a short poll on whether or not the All-Star game should have any bearing on the WS home field. Needless to say, the vote was about 19-1 against Bud’s brainstorm (with a few unprintable comments thrown in).

    But getting back to the point of this blog: think of it, no home field means alternate uniforms galore!!

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”328026″][quote comment=”328022″]Don’t you think the Admirals have such a strong following is because they AREN’T the NHL?

    Ticket prices will escalate, casual fans will stop attending with their kids, corporate support will be required, the Brewers will no longer be involved…

    All of it is a bad idea.[/quote]
    But OTOH Teebz, do you argue that a good place for an NHL franchise to move is a city that doesn’t have a strong minor-league tradition/following?

    For me, following and tradition and grass-roots support trumps raw numbers and corporate “potential”. I know I’m a Don Quixote on this stance, but that’s still how I feel.

    And you have to admit that a big reason the Yankees are lowering the prices on those $2600 tickets is because those empty seats look silly on TV. So there is some value to having a rabid following instead of the brie-and-Cabernet set.[/quote]

    I feel that selling a team to a fanbase with no connection to it (Coyotes in Phoenix, for example) is a moronic idea.

    Removing a team with a long history from a community is equal in terms of its idiocy.

    That being said, I’d rather see the AHL Admirals than the NHL Admirals simply because the AHL generates more younger fans because it is more affordable. That’s not to say they won’t become NHL fans, but you have a greater advantage of making that child/pre-teen into a hockey fan if they can afford to go to the game.

    The biggest complaint about hockey on TV in the US is that it’s hard to follow. Hockey is a game that is better live than it is on TV. Why? Atmosphere, the speed of the game, and the crowd.

    The Admirals, with their successful marketing, generate all three of those in spades. Keep them in the AHL. They are a cornerstone organization at this point.

  • Sebastian | May 6, 2009 at 1:54 pm |

    When the Dallas Cowboys play the Dallas Texans (KC Chiefs) this fall, there is a good chance there will be a blue vs red game– both teams wearing colored jerseys (Texans in red, Cowboys in throwback blue).

    Story here

    Equipment manager Mike McCord said the Cowboys are scheduled to wear their blue throwback jerseys in the games against the Chiefs and Raiders.

    Although the Chiefs will be wearing a red and white uniform with red helmets, McCord said the NFL will likely allow the Cowboys to wear the blue jerseys for the Oct. 11 game. Uniform rules mandate one team always wear a white jersey, but there have been some exceptions, especially with throwback uniforms. In the Cowboys’ 2001 Thanksgiving Day game, they wore a blue jersey at Texas Stadium against Denver’s classic “Orange Crush” uniforms.

  • chance michaels | May 6, 2009 at 1:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”328024″][quote comment=”328002″][quote comment=”327969″][quote comment=”327883″]Following up on yesterday’s comments – hey Squiddie, where did you find those Borchert Field pics? Google Image searches are coming up blank, are they mislabeled or something?[/quote]
    They are filed under Beer Drinking. I think all the photos in that file were taken around Milwaukee, but I might be stereotyping here.

    Try this one and this one.
    [/quote]
    That’s bizarre. Thanks!

    I’m putting these on my blog – let me know if you want your real name or nom d’Internet used for the hat-tip….[/quote]

    I was about to comment over in your blog when I saw your comment in today’s UW. Squiddie is fine for any TOTH.

    One more. And just when I think I’m done, there’s another one. It’s a huge set and you only get 200 thumbnails.

    Anyway, if you like old bars it’s worth looking through the set, too.[/quote]
    Done and done. And thanks again.

    The date is obviously not the date they were taken, since all the beer drinking shots have the same photographer and date (busy guy?). I would have thought it was the cover date, but there wasn’t a July 7th issue in 1949 – July 4th and 11th.

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 2:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”328028″]I feel that selling a team to a fanbase with no connection to it (Coyotes in Phoenix, for example) is a moronic idea.

    Removing a team with a long history from a community is equal in terms of its idiocy.

    That being said, I’d rather see the AHL Admirals than the NHL Admirals simply because the AHL generates more younger fans because it is more affordable. That’s not to say they won’t become NHL fans, but you have a greater advantage of making that child/pre-teen into a hockey fan if they can afford to go to the game.

    The biggest complaint about hockey on TV in the US is that it’s hard to follow. Hockey is a game that is better live than it is on TV. Why? Atmosphere, the speed of the game, and the crowd.

    The Admirals, with their successful marketing, generate all three of those in spades. Keep them in the AHL. They are a cornerstone organization at this point.[/quote]

    It does come down to a chicken-or-the-egg argument in the end. And I know my tilting at windmills will eventually lose out to the corporate suites, TV potential, etc.

    As I said, those “new” markets like Phoenix, etc. come down to a crapshoot. Places like Milwaukee are less of a crapshoot for me. My ignoring money in favor of tradition is one of the (many, many) reasons I’ll never own a franchise: and of course, it’s also one of the reasons this blog is one of my favorites. :-))

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2009 at 2:01 pm |

    [quote]In the Cowboys’ 2001 Thanksgiving Day game, they wore a blue jersey at Texas Stadium against Denver’s classic “Orange Crush” uniforms.[/quote]

    with a brown horsey on the helmet?

  • Beardface | May 6, 2009 at 2:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”328027″]But getting back to the point of this blog: think of it, no home field means alternate uniforms galore!![/quote]
    Fuck that!

    With the WS played at a neutral site, MLB will have specially designed ‘American League Champions’ and ‘National League Champions’ jerseys for the teams to wear. No more patched, they get their own home and away jerseys designed by the WS Committee assigned to the respective location and year. Of course these will be available for purchase by the fans, but since they will be such a special event, they will be priced $50 more than regulars for replica jerseys and $100 more than regulars for Authentics.

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 2:05 pm |

    Hey Teebz, one more thing: the Cubs ran out five bench players yesterday against Tim (Cy Young) Lincecum. Think the corporate suite holders and CBOE Auction seat buyers were happy? :-)) But I’ll bet the 6-year old kid who was on his first trip to an MLB ballpark couldn’t have cared less.

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 2:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”328030″]
    The date is obviously not the date they were taken, since all the beer drinking shots have the same photographer and date (busy guy?). I would have thought it was the cover date, but there wasn’t a July 7th issue in 1949 – July 4th and 11th.[/quote]

    If I ever open a bar, that’s what it will look like. Only with less old guys and more hockey stuff on the walls.

    Ok, so it won’t look like at all, but the idea is the same. LOL

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2009 at 2:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”328034″]Hey Teebz, one more thing: the Cubs ran out five bench players yesterday against Tim (Cy Young) Lincecum. Think the corporate suite holders and CBOE Auction seat buyers were happy? :-)) But I’ll bet the 6-year old kid who was on his first trip to an MLB ballpark couldn’t have cared less.[/quote]

    actually i bet it was the six year old who was pissed…

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 2:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”328035″][quote comment=”328030″]
    The date is obviously not the date they were taken, since all the beer drinking shots have the same photographer and date (busy guy?). I would have thought it was the cover date, but there wasn’t a July 7th issue in 1949 – July 4th and 11th.[/quote]

    If I ever open a bar, that’s what it will look like. Only with less old guys and more hockey stuff on the walls.

    Ok, so it won’t look like that at all, but the idea is the same. LOL[/quote]

    I do like the idea of a hole-in-the-wall hockey bar, though, now that I have thought about it.

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 2:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”328034″]Hey Teebz, one more thing: the Cubs ran out five bench players yesterday against Tim (Cy Young) Lincecum. Think the corporate suite holders and CBOE Auction seat buyers were happy? :-)) But I’ll bet the 6-year old kid who was on his first trip to an MLB ballpark couldn’t have cared less.[/quote]

    My guess? The kid probably was soaking up the experience of being at Wrigley with dad or mom, and didn’t care if the Cubs ran out 10 homeless guys.

    But the corporate stiffs? They probably do because they’re entertaining clients who want to see the Cubbies win.

    Which is better? If I had my way, the kid’s experience would trump the corporate experience every time. But it takes dump trucks of money to run an MLB franchise, so money trumps all yet again.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”328033″][quote comment=”328027″]But getting back to the point of this blog: think of it, no home field means alternate uniforms galore!![/quote]
    Fuck that!

    With the WS played at a neutral site, MLB will have specially designed ‘American League Champions’ and ‘National League Champions’ jerseys for the teams to wear. No more patched, they get their own home and away jerseys designed by the WS Committee assigned to the respective location and year. Of course these will be available for purchase by the fans, but since they will be such a special event, they will be priced $50 more than regulars for replica jerseys and $100 more than regulars for Authentics.[/quote]

    Now you’re gettin’ it. LOL

    I really do believe they’re hoping for a W-S so bedeviled by cold weather or even snowstorms that there’s a groundswell to take the event to a neutral, warmer (or domed) site so “Baseball doesn’t last until December, for chrissakes.”

    The moment that happens the door will be flung wide open for them to pretty much do whatever they choose. And we’ll see the World Series played at a neutral site annually either at the end of October or the second week in November (can’t go first week and have Presidential election coverage pre-empt them every four years).

    I know if I were advising them, and a neutral site was their goal, I’d tell them to do exactly what they’re doing, be a little patient and, eventually, laugh all the way to the bank.

    There. I’ve said my piece, listed most of the reasons I think it’s going down the way it is.

    —Ricko

  • chance michaels | May 6, 2009 at 2:18 pm |

    Ricko, I hear what you’re saying.

    But I also think you’re crazy on this one.

  • Beeker | May 6, 2009 at 2:25 pm |

    So, last night I was watching the Ducks v. Red Wings hockey game and something occurred to me. Something of a “duh” moment. Hockey refs wear black and white stripes, so do football refs and basketball refs. Why don’t baseball umpires wear the zebra stripes? And where/why did the zebra stripes originate anyway? Was it because of the use of black/white cameras, and you could tell the ref in later photos? Just a curiosity that’s been bugging me.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 2:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”328040″]Ricko, I hear what you’re saying.

    But I also think you’re crazy on this one.[/quote]

    Check back in ten years.
    Money talks.
    And big money talks even louder.
    NFL wants to play Super Bowl in February?
    Fine, says MLB, we want that kind of sustained attention, too, so we have our little plan and it’s right on track. We just need a big frickin’ blizzard in the right town at the right time. And the fans will think it was their idea.

    And, until it happens…hey, we still keep people interested into November. And the debate will become more intense about a neutral site. Yup, it’s all good.

    Ya gotta start thinking like the master manipulators they are. Or that they at least THINK they are. LOL

    —Ricko

  • Namhob | May 6, 2009 at 2:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”328038″][quote comment=”328034″]Hey Teebz, one more thing: the Cubs ran out five bench players yesterday against Tim (Cy Young) Lincecum. Think the corporate suite holders and CBOE Auction seat buyers were happy? :-)) But I’ll bet the 6-year old kid who was on his first trip to an MLB ballpark couldn’t have cared less.[/quote]

    My guess? The kid probably was soaking up the experience of being at Wrigley with dad or mom, and didn’t care if the Cubs ran out 10 homeless guys.

    But the corporate stiffs? They probably do because they’re entertaining clients who want to see the Cubbies win.

    Which is better? If I had my way, the kid’s experience would trump the corporate experience every time. But it takes dump trucks of money to run an MLB franchise, so money trumps all yet again.[/quote]
    My guess on conversations:

    (View Level seats)
    6-year old: Daddy, who’s number 6?
    Dad: I don’t know, son.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    (Corporate Suites)
    Business Development Manager for (place company name here): Hey, did you see the ass on that waitress?
    Client: Hell yeah I did!
    BDM for (?): Can I get you another beer?

    You tell me who cares about the game and who cares about the atmosphere.

  • Hott Rodd | May 6, 2009 at 2:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”328040″]Ricko, I hear what you’re saying.

    But I also think you’re crazy on this one.[/quote]

    Ricko, I think you are thinking too clearly and logically for that to ever happen. This is the league that decided that the winner of teh all star game gets home field advantage in the championship series.They DON’T MAKE SENSE!! but now that you have proposed it, someone will read it and think wow..

    So I say that all of ricko’s posts on said topic be removed immediately.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 2:29 pm |

    Never forget, this is a group that looked the other way when athletes were suddenly and unexplainably becoming physically huge and hitting baseballs like they were Titleists…

    …because it was packing the fans in.

  • Namhob | May 6, 2009 at 2:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”328041″]So, last night I was watching the Ducks v. Red Wings hockey game and something occurred to me. Something of a “duh” moment. Hockey refs wear black and white stripes, so do football refs and basketball refs. Why don’t baseball umpires wear the zebra stripes? And where/why did the zebra stripes originate anyway? Was it because of the use of black/white cameras, and you could tell the ref in later photos? Just a curiosity that’s been bugging me.[/quote]
    I would imagine because football, basketball, and hockey are fast moving sports and requires a CLEAR differentiation between player and referee, hence the stripes.

  • Ry Co 40 | May 6, 2009 at 2:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”328046″][quote comment=”328041″]So, last night I was watching the Ducks v. Red Wings hockey game and something occurred to me. Something of a “duh” moment. Hockey refs wear black and white stripes, so do football refs and basketball refs. Why don’t baseball umpires wear the zebra stripes? And where/why did the zebra stripes originate anyway? Was it because of the use of black/white cameras, and you could tell the ref in later photos? Just a curiosity that’s been bugging me.[/quote]
    I would imagine because football, basketball, and hockey are fast moving sports and requires a CLEAR differentiation between player and referee, hence the stripes.[/quote]

    i think the nba refs are gray, right? really… i’m not sure, don’t watch a TON of nba games

  • LarryB | May 6, 2009 at 2:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”327860″]Brownie!

    http://ecx.images-am...

    That looks great

  • Squiddie | May 6, 2009 at 2:40 pm |

    Re: Life photo dates. I think it might have something to do with when the film was processed. I’ve come across some photos where they make a note that the photographer had the film processed on location or by someone other than the approved laboratory.

    Re Bars. I know Paul has already linked to pics of it, but I’d want this bar. Maybe with a little less Schlitz.

    But if you’re looking for a hole-in-the wall sort of place, may I suggest here. The only drawback is that it’s on Malta.

  • Hott Rodd | May 6, 2009 at 2:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”328041″]So, last night I was watching the Ducks v. Red Wings hockey game and something occurred to me. Something of a “duh” moment. Hockey refs wear black and white stripes, so do football refs and basketball refs. Why don’t baseball umpires wear the zebra stripes? And where/why did the zebra stripes originate anyway? Was it because of the use of black/white cameras, and you could tell the ref in later photos? Just a curiosity that’s been bugging me.[/quote]

    http://wiki.answers....

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2009 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”328040″]Ricko, I hear what you’re saying.

    But I also think you’re crazy on this one.[/quote]

    yeh…

    like ricko’s never heard that before

  • Scott | May 6, 2009 at 2:47 pm |

    Long time reader, first time poster.
    A couple months ago I bought the Braves version of that Reebok shirt, and absolutely love it.
    http://shop.mlb.com/...
    I was also at the Braves and Mets game last night, and didn’t notice Hernandez’s sleeves until I reviewed some of the pictures I took.

  • LarryB | May 6, 2009 at 2:50 pm |

    It will be a lot of fun going through the old Baseball Digests.

    It is wonderful that some publications have done the online thing.

  • LarryB | May 6, 2009 at 2:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”328041″]So, last night I was watching the Ducks v. Red Wings hockey game and something occurred to me. Something of a “duh” moment. Hockey refs wear black and white stripes, so do football refs and basketball refs. Why don’t baseball umpires wear the zebra stripes? And where/why did the zebra stripes originate anyway? Was it because of the use of black/white cameras, and you could tell the ref in later photos? Just a curiosity that’s been bugging me.[/quote]

    Now that is an interesting question. Now I too would like to know the answer or reasons.

  • Frankie | May 6, 2009 at 2:54 pm |

    Does anyone know where I can find Washington Redskins game socks? I’m looking for the striped ones that they rarely wear nowadays, but have only been able to find ones for the Chiefs. I want the darker burgundy that the Redskins wear though.

  • Robert in Dallas | May 6, 2009 at 2:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”327995″]Want some real fun?

    Check out how Scott Boras would make the World Series better.

    And you thought hockey had its problems. LOL[/quote]

    While I consider myself to be a traditionalist and I despise Scott Boras, I really don’t have a problem with his suggestions.

    The one thing that he left out of his suggested changes is that 100% of the extra revenue would be given to him personally, or alternatively 100% to the players.

  • chance michaels | May 6, 2009 at 2:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”328050″][quote comment=”328041″]So, last night I was watching the Ducks v. Red Wings hockey game and something occurred to me. Something of a “duh” moment. Hockey refs wear black and white stripes, so do football refs and basketball refs. Why don’t baseball umpires wear the zebra stripes? And where/why did the zebra stripes originate anyway? Was it because of the use of black/white cameras, and you could tell the ref in later photos? Just a curiosity that’s been bugging me.[/quote]

    http://wiki.answers....
    A wiki answer is almost worse than none at all.

  • LarryB | May 6, 2009 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”327856″]Watching the NBA playoffs, had this thought: Why do NBA players have so many warmups? I counted three warmup shirts on some guys. I follow college basketball more closely and it’s funny that college players often don’t even wear warmups after they leave the game, but NBA players have plenty of them and they wear them.[/quote]

    I do not have the answer. But I was wondering aout the early 1960’s basketball warmups. Why did they have that flap behind the neck.

    I did some screen grabs and will try and find one to show what I mean.

  • Hott Rodd | May 6, 2009 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”328057″][quote comment=”328050″][quote comment=”328041″]So, last night I was watching the Ducks v. Red Wings hockey game and something occurred to me. Something of a “duh” moment. Hockey refs wear black and white stripes, so do football refs and basketball refs. Why don’t baseball umpires wear the zebra stripes? And where/why did the zebra stripes originate anyway? Was it because of the use of black/white cameras, and you could tell the ref in later photos? Just a curiosity that’s been bugging me.[/quote]

    http://wiki.answers....
    A wiki answer is almost worse than none at all.[/quote]

    yeah it is.. made me laugh..

  • LarryB | May 6, 2009 at 3:04 pm |

    http://lh5.ggpht.com...

    http://lh5.ggpht.com...

    Anybody remember thos flaps on NBA or basktball warmups. High school and college teams had them too.

  • u2-horn | May 6, 2009 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”327982″][quote comment=”327978″]So, um…uniforms are cool…and, stuff.[/quote]
    Nice effective post. I mean, in an attempt to change the subject back to uniforms, you resort to only complaining.

    ok, here’s a suggestion, want to change the subject, change it yourself. Bring up a topic we’d like to discuss, then it’ll change. Complaining, that won’t do anything.[/quote]
    Lighten up, Francis.

  • u2-horn | May 6, 2009 at 3:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”328015″][quote comment=”327879″]However, the Packers version is great!
    http://fangear.chron...

    Can anyone find the Giants’ version?[/quote]

    New York or San Francisco?

    http://product.image...

    just do a search for Giants Flawless Shirt

  • u2-horn | May 6, 2009 at 3:15 pm |
  • u2-horn | May 6, 2009 at 3:16 pm |
  • LI Phil | May 6, 2009 at 3:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”328061″]Lighten up, Francis.[/quote]

    you just made the list, buddy…and i don’t like nobody touching my stuff

  • Teebz | May 6, 2009 at 3:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”328065″][quote comment=”328061″]Lighten up, Francis.[/quote]

    you just made the list, buddy…and i don’t like nobody touching my stuff[/quote]

    Get off your lawn? LOL

  • Namhob | May 6, 2009 at 3:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”328065″][quote comment=”328061″]Lighten up, Francis.[/quote]

    you just made the list, buddy…and i don’t like nobody touching my stuff[/quote]
    Serenity now, Phil, serenity now.

  • u2-horn | May 6, 2009 at 3:43 pm |

    Phil will always be my big toe.

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 3:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”328049″]The only drawback is that it’s on Malta.[/quote]You say that as if it’s a bad thing to be on Malta.

    :-)

    [quote comment=”328049″]Re Bars. I know Paul has already linked to pics of it, but I’d want this bar. Maybe with a little less Schlitz.[/quote]The beer that made Milwaukee famous!

    So can anyone tell me what’s on the right side of that picture? Is it a grocery store that’s right next door to the bar (and heaven knows that certainly is possible in Milwaukee)?

    JMHO, but if you want a hole-in-the-wall bar you can’t have a oval/circular bar. By definition, all hole-in-the-wall bars have to have bartenders who weigh at least 300lbs. Maybe more if its a guy. If you have to duck under some part of the bar or squeeze through, then go right ahead and get yourself some potted ferns.

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 3:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”328068″]Phil will always be my big toe.[/quote]AAAArmy training sir!

    (Note to self: find those screen grabs of the unrated version….)

  • TommyD | May 6, 2009 at 4:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”328021″][quote comment=”328018″]I’m sure it’s been mentioned before, if not, has anyone ever noticed how much this looks like this?[/quote]
    It’s been noticed once or twice.

    Especially since Walgreens uses the initial-only version as well.[/quote]
    Walgreen’s has a better team

  • War Damn Eagle | May 6, 2009 at 4:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”328023″][quote comment=”328012″][quote comment=”328008″]Seriously. Ponder it. No travel days. Barring rain, seven straight prime time nights of World Series. Eventually the teams involved almost cease to matter. It would the ultimate annual mini-series…the games and all the debauchery around them. “The Today Show” and “Access Hollywood” would stay in town the whole time. Hell, “The View” would probably broadcast from there. My god, “World Series Week”. MLB is wet just thinking about it. They frickin’ can’t wait. They just need winter weather to take them to it. And the public will willingly agree.[/quote]
    Fortunately, there is no way in hell the owners would allow baseball to take away the revenue of having 2-3 home games with extremely jacked up ticket prices during the World Series.[/quote]

    You’re missing the bigger picture. There’s far more potential money involved—for every team—than the revenues for 2-3 home W-S games. They won’t need hometown fans for the W-S anymore. And they won’t care, either, because the money and the exposure will be so great.

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying it would necessarily be so. I’m saying this is what they’re envisioning. They have to be. There is no sane reason to push the W-S deeper into November unless you’re up to something. Short term it’s about money, yes. Long term, it’s about even more money. I’m telling you, this is what’s on their minds.

    Stop thinking that they give a shit about individual fans or even, to a great degree, individual teams. Once you accept that, it’s much easier to project the direction of all this.

    I’m not angry with, just saying get past the “fan perspective.” See it though owners’ eyes and the ulterior motive of extending the season starts to come through.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The only problem I have with your premise is the fact that the length of a World Series can be as short as 4 games, or as many as 7. How do you solve the problem of hotel reservations, etc., when you don’t know how long the series will last? Super Bowl week is always a finite number of days.

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 4:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”328019″]Ironic, too, since the Bradley Center was built with private money specifically to draw an NHL franchise.[/quote]

    Lloyd Pettit wouldn’t have had it any other way.

    A shot….and a goal!!!

    :-)

  • DenverGregg | May 6, 2009 at 4:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”328069″][quote comment=”328049″]The only drawback is that it’s on Malta.[/quote]You say that as if it’s a bad thing to be on Malta.

    :-)

    [quote comment=”328049″]Re Bars. I know Paul has already linked to pics of it, but I’d want this bar. Maybe with a little less Schlitz.[/quote]The beer that made Milwaukee famous!

    So can anyone tell me what’s on the right side of that picture? Is it a grocery store that’s right next door to the bar (and heaven knows that certainly is possible in Milwaukee)?

    JMHO, but if you want a hole-in-the-wall bar you can’t have a oval/circular bar. By definition, all hole-in-the-wall bars have to have bartenders who weigh at least 300lbs. Maybe more if its a guy. If you have to duck under some part of the bar or squeeze through, then go right ahead and get yourself some potted ferns.[/quote]
    It’s a package liquor store. The signs are for items like brandy and “rock and rye” and there’s just bottles on the shelves. Also there is a gap at the far end of the bar. Looks ilke a great place. I wonder if the barback lost his shirt on a bet.

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 4:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”328072″]How do you solve the problem of hotel reservations, etc., when you don’t know how long the series will last?[/quote]
    Shhh, please don’t destroy Ricko’s dreams that way….

    ;-)

  • Greenie | May 6, 2009 at 4:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”328069″][quote comment=”328049″]The only drawback is that it’s on Malta.[/quote]You say that as if it’s a bad thing to be on Malta.

    :-)

    [quote comment=”328049″]Re Bars. I know Paul has already linked to pics of it, but I’d want this bar. Maybe with a little less Schlitz.[/quote]The beer that made Milwaukee famous!

    So can anyone tell me what’s on the right side of that picture? Is it a grocery store that’s right next door to the bar (and heaven knows that certainly is possible in Milwaukee)?

    JMHO, but if you want a hole-in-the-wall bar you can’t have a oval/circular bar. By definition, all hole-in-the-wall bars have to have bartenders who weigh at least 300lbs. Maybe more if its a guy. If you have to duck under some part of the bar or squeeze through, then go right ahead and get yourself some potted ferns.[/quote]

    I was just in Milwaukee this weekend, and after the Admirals’ 4-1 win over Houston, got suckered by friends into going to a bar with $10 martinis. I scanned the beer list and found a ‘rotating mug’ that was only $5. While my friends had the regular 20 oz. beer for $5, I got a half-liter mug of Schlitz for $5 and was pretty happy with it. Quantity over quality.

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 4:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”328074″]It’s a package liquor store. The signs are for items like brandy and “rock and rye” and there’s just bottles on the shelves. Also there is a gap at the far end of the bar. Looks ilke a great place. I wonder if the barback lost his shirt on a bet.[/quote]Thanks: either your eyes or your monitor is better than mine. Probably both.

    Again, I know it’s Milwaukee; but why would you put the gap at the far end of the bar, near the street entrance? Wouldn’t the beer kegs all be coming in from the back?

    I was thinking it was a hot day, but then you see all the patrons with flannel and jackets and everything else: maybe that barkeep was an early version of Tom Cruise. :-))))

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 4:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”328076″]I was just in Milwaukee this weekend, and after the Admirals’ 4-1 win over Houston, got suckered by friends into going to a bar with $10 martinis. [/quote]

    Crank call!!

    Next caller on “Am I living the High Life”…

  • Greenie | May 6, 2009 at 4:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”328078″][quote comment=”328076″]I was just in Milwaukee this weekend, and after the Admirals’ 4-1 win over Houston, got suckered by friends into going to a bar with $10 martinis. [/quote]

    Crank call!!

    Next caller on “Am I living the High Life”…[/quote]

    no really, true story – as much as I love that fat man. “for $10 dollars i’ll be a macadamia nut!”

  • TommyD | May 6, 2009 at 4:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”328071″][quote comment=”328021″][quote comment=”328018″]I’m sure it’s been mentioned before, if not, has anyone ever noticed how much this looks like this?[/quote]
    It’s been noticed once or twice.

    Especially since Walgreens uses the initial-only version as well.[/quote]
    Walgreen’s has a better team[/quote]

    …and draws more fans

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 4:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”328079″]no really, true story – as much as I love that fat man. “for $10 dollars i’ll be a macadamia nut!”[/quote]

    Just curious: where in Milwaukee? Either in that psuedo chic-chic “Third Ward” area or in the Hilton or Wyndham I’ll bet. I’ve been in the bar at the Pfister (hold the jokes) and even they wouldn’t have the guts to try that.

    Did a couple of different places after basketball games downtown, lots of fun: but for that hole-in-the-wall experience, you almost can’t go wrong near County Stadium.

    I love that guy too: just wish they’d actually FILM the *&^ commericals in either Milwaukee or Chicago. Yeah, lots of restaurants around here have that wooden loft roof look guys…. :-( JMHO, but putting him in LA for those commercials just defeats the entire purpose of the “cleanup on Aisle Common Sense” motto.

  • concealed78 | May 6, 2009 at 4:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”327904″][quote]What would they call the Hamilton team?[/quote]

    how boot the continentals?[/quote]

    And Christopher Walken could be the announcer or team mascot.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 4:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”328075″][quote comment=”328072″]How do you solve the problem of hotel reservations, etc., when you don’t know how long the series will last?[/quote]
    Shhh, please don’t destroy Ricko’s dreams that way….

    ;-)[/quote]

    How do they book hotel rooms for NCAA Basketball’s Big Dance? Not everyone’s team makes it past the first day, you know.

    What the heavywight lodgings providers could say: “Our World Series Package is a seven-night plan, sir. If the series ends early, you pay only 50% of the original rate for the remaining nights of your reservation.”
    (of course the original “plan” price was double the normal rate, so they’d be a full regular revenue for those days even if they did just let folks off the hook early; look at rates during any Super Bowl week).

    Let’s flip it over. What if I can tell you right now that the 2010 World Series will begin on, say, October 20, in Miami. Corporate buyers can book now. Corporate trade shows could be booked and planned now. I can stage the damnest baseball-centered trade show/enertainment venue you’ve ever seen. Every year.

    Right now two extremely important things that MLB cannot control/predict are the location and the weather. They could control the location 100% and the weather maybe 85% (100% in a dome).

    In television (and that’s what this is about) control is essential. The more of it, the better.

    —Ricko

  • Greenie | May 6, 2009 at 4:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”328081″][quote comment=”328079″]no really, true story – as much as I love that fat man. “for $10 dollars i’ll be a macadamia nut!”[/quote]

    Just curious: where in Milwaukee? Either in that psuedo chic-chic “Third Ward” area or in the Hilton or Wyndham I’ll bet. I’ve been in the bar at the Pfister (hold the jokes) and even they wouldn’t have the guts to try that.

    Did a couple of different places after basketball games downtown, lots of fun: but for that hole-in-the-wall experience, you almost can’t go wrong near County Stadium.

    I love that guy too: just wish they’d actually FILM the *&^ commericals in either Milwaukee or Chicago. Yeah, lots of restaurants around here have that wooden loft roof look guys…. :-( JMHO, but putting him in LA for those commercials just defeats the entire purpose of the “cleanup on Aisle Common Sense” motto.[/quote]

    The Hi-Hat on Brady. Not really a fan. I prefer Yield on Kenilworth.

  • chance michaels | May 6, 2009 at 4:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”328076″][quote comment=”328069″][quote comment=”328049″]The only drawback is that it’s on Malta.[/quote]You say that as if it’s a bad thing to be on Malta.

    :-)

    [quote comment=”328049″]Re Bars. I know Paul has already linked to pics of it, but I’d want this bar. Maybe with a little less Schlitz.[/quote]The beer that made Milwaukee famous!

    So can anyone tell me what’s on the right side of that picture? Is it a grocery store that’s right next door to the bar (and heaven knows that certainly is possible in Milwaukee)?

    JMHO, but if you want a hole-in-the-wall bar you can’t have a oval/circular bar. By definition, all hole-in-the-wall bars have to have bartenders who weigh at least 300lbs. Maybe more if its a guy. If you have to duck under some part of the bar or squeeze through, then go right ahead and get yourself some potted ferns.[/quote]

    I was just in Milwaukee this weekend, and after the Admirals’ 4-1 win over Houston, got suckered by friends into going to a bar with $10 martinis. I scanned the beer list and found a ‘rotating mug’ that was only $5. While my friends had the regular 20 oz. beer for $5, I got a half-liter mug of Schlitz for $5 and was pretty happy with it. Quantity over quality.[/quote]
    You can have both.

    The new Schlitz went back to the old recipe.

  • Mike Engle | May 6, 2009 at 4:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”328076″][quote comment=”328069″][quote comment=”328049″]The only drawback is that it’s on Malta.[/quote]You say that as if it’s a bad thing to be on Malta.

    :-)

    [quote comment=”328049″]Re Bars. I know Paul has already linked to pics of it, but I’d want this bar. Maybe with a little less Schlitz.[/quote]The beer that made Milwaukee famous!

    So can anyone tell me what’s on the right side of that picture? Is it a grocery store that’s right next door to the bar (and heaven knows that certainly is possible in Milwaukee)?

    JMHO, but if you want a hole-in-the-wall bar you can’t have a oval/circular bar. By definition, all hole-in-the-wall bars have to have bartenders who weigh at least 300lbs. Maybe more if its a guy. If you have to duck under some part of the bar or squeeze through, then go right ahead and get yourself some potted ferns.[/quote]

    I was just in Milwaukee this weekend, and after the Admirals’ 4-1 win over Houston, got suckered by friends into going to a bar with $10 martinis. I scanned the beer list and found a ‘rotating mug’ that was only $5. While my friends had the regular 20 oz. beer for $5, I got a half-liter mug of Schlitz for $5 and was pretty happy with it. Quantity over quality.[/quote]
    You mean, regular 12 oz beer? That would be a normal bottle. A half-liter is 16.9 oz, and I don’t think you’d prefer that to 20.

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 5:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”328083″]How do they book hotel rooms for NCAA Basketball’s Big Dance? Not everyone’s team makes it past the first day, you know.
    —Ricko[/quote]

    Nah, but by the time you get to the last two weekends (when they’re in domes 50% of the time) you’re selling tickets to either locals or corporate heavyweights who don’t care who’s actually playing. IMHO there aren’t a lot of hotels booked that first weekend.

    My team went to Portland this year, to play in their NBA-sized arena on the first weekend. AFAIK there was less than 500 seats available for everyone; including the band, family, ultraheavyweight givers (the people with buildings named after them) and famous alums to be seen on TV.

    Most importantly: those dates are known, uncancel-ilbe, etc. The locals who buy the tickets aren’t going to say “wow, we thought they’d be playing three days this year…”

    NCAA to World Series: apples/oranges. JMHO.

  • Greenie | May 6, 2009 at 5:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”328086″][quote comment=”328076″][quote comment=”328069″][quote comment=”328049″]The only drawback is that it’s on Malta.[/quote]You say that as if it’s a bad thing to be on Malta.

    :-)

    [quote comment=”328049″]Re Bars. I know Paul has already linked to pics of it, but I’d want this bar. Maybe with a little less Schlitz.[/quote]The beer that made Milwaukee famous!

    So can anyone tell me what’s on the right side of that picture? Is it a grocery store that’s right next door to the bar (and heaven knows that certainly is possible in Milwaukee)?

    JMHO, but if you want a hole-in-the-wall bar you can’t have a oval/circular bar. By definition, all hole-in-the-wall bars have to have bartenders who weigh at least 300lbs. Maybe more if its a guy. If you have to duck under some part of the bar or squeeze through, then go right ahead and get yourself some potted ferns.[/quote]

    I was just in Milwaukee this weekend, and after the Admirals’ 4-1 win over Houston, got suckered by friends into going to a bar with $10 martinis. I scanned the beer list and found a ‘rotating mug’ that was only $5. While my friends had the regular 20 oz. beer for $5, I got a half-liter mug of Schlitz for $5 and was pretty happy with it. Quantity over quality.[/quote]
    You mean, regular 12 oz beer? That would be a normal bottle. A half-liter is 16.9 oz, and I don’t think you’d prefer that to 20.[/quote]

    yeah, i don’t remember the sizes right. thanks for catching. time to leave work, my brain is shutting down.

  • anotherguy | May 6, 2009 at 5:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”328084″] The Hi-Hat on Brady. Not really a fan. I prefer Yield on Kenilworth.[/quote]Thanks for that info, I’ll have to mention that to my Milwaukee buds. I’m not familiar with that area off the top of my head (I had to Google-map it).

    Now, if you would have said “right around the corner from the old Avalanche” then I could have driven there without a map. :-) But that was years ago.

  • concealed78 | May 6, 2009 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”328013″][quote comment=”328009″]For the NHL (and NBA) the time to seriously consider contraction has come. Too many teams, oversaturated markets, too much competition for the ever-dwindling disposable entertainment dollar.

    Regarding the World Series chatter, when will the other leagues ever learn – one of the main reasons the Super Bowl is such an event is because it’s ONE GAME.[/quote]

    Let’s talk about one of many other ways MLB benefits from a neutral site W-S, and the resulting clout.

    How To Get a Stadium Built In…say, Tampa: Guarantee the city a “World Series Week” as soon as possible after construction is complete. The revenue–and exposure–for any such metro area would be be astronomical.

    I’m tellin’ ya…it’s comin’.

    For SO many reasons. All of them about economics.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    I don’t want to go to frickin’ Tampa to see my team play in the World Series! It’s bad enough they give away so many tickets before the home fans can get them. At least 2 home games for each team is fair enough. The worst thing baseball could keep doing is becoming like other sports. There is already too much gimmicky crap in baseball. Burns my traditionalist ass.

  • TomV | May 6, 2009 at 5:10 pm |

    Didn’t read all the posts but Seinfeld “Cigar Store Indian” Jerry says he gets Dom Delouise and Paul Prudhomme confused, circa 1993.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 5:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”328087″][quote comment=”328083″]How do they book hotel rooms for NCAA Basketball’s Big Dance? Not everyone’s team makes it past the first day, you know.
    —Ricko[/quote]

    Nah, but by the time you get to the last two weekends (when they’re in domes 50% of the time) you’re selling tickets to either locals or corporate heavyweights who don’t care who’s actually playing. IMHO there aren’t a lot of hotels booked that first weekend.

    My team went to Portland this year, to play in their NBA-sized arena on the first weekend. AFAIK there was less than 500 seats available for everyone; including the band, family, ultraheavyweight givers (the people with buildings named after them) and famous alums to be seen on TV.

    Most importantly: those dates are known, uncancel-ilbe, etc. The locals who buy the tickets aren’t going to say “wow, we thought they’d be playing three days this year…”

    NCAA to World Series: apples/oranges. JMHO.[/quote]

    Yet the NCAA format goes on, and almost NOBODY has home games there.

    Lots of particulars, but it’s do-able, especially if a huge chunk of change is coming into MLB coffers.

    And, personally, I think there’d be only one weekend. First game on Thursday. If it’s a sweep, the final two games are on the weekend. If not, they’rejust building the audience for the three reminding games during the week.

    “Play the World Series at night?
    Frankly, Mr. Finley, I think you’re crazy on this one.”
    Right up until someone shows them the money.

  • LarryB | May 6, 2009 at 5:16 pm |

    Couple days later after Jack Kemps death.

    I found these color pictures of my favorite Buffalo Bills helmet. To me the standing buffalo with single red stripe was the best looking Bills helmet.

    http://img.photobuck...

    http://img.photobuck...

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 5:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”328090″][quote comment=”328013″][quote comment=”328009″]For the NHL (and NBA) the time to seriously consider contraction has come. Too many teams, oversaturated markets, too much competition for the ever-dwindling disposable entertainment dollar.

    Regarding the World Series chatter, when will the other leagues ever learn – one of the main reasons the Super Bowl is such an event is because it’s ONE GAME.[/quote]

    Let’s talk about one of many other ways MLB benefits from a neutral site W-S, and the resulting clout.

    How To Get a Stadium Built In…say, Tampa: Guarantee the city a “World Series Week” as soon as possible after construction is complete. The revenue–and exposure–for any such metro area would be be astronomical.

    I’m tellin’ ya…it’s comin’.

    For SO many reasons. All of them about economics.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    I don’t want to go to frickin’ Tampa to see my team play in the World Series! It’s bad enough they give away so many tickets before the home fans can get them. At least 2 home games for each team is fair enough. The worst thing baseball could keep doing is becoming like other sports. There is already too much gimmicky crap in baseball. Burns my traditionalist ass.[/quote]

    Please understand, I’m not advocating it. Not at all. Quite the opposite, in fact. I’m simply saying I think it may be what they’re up to, what their long range plan is.

    If they can get the fans to…
    a) at best, demand a neutral site (meaning too many bad weather games and delays)
    b) at worst, give them tacit permission because, well, it’s just the best way after all…

    They’re home free.

    —Ricko

  • pflava | May 6, 2009 at 5:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”328092″][quote comment=”328087″][quote comment=”328083″]How do they book hotel rooms for NCAA Basketball’s Big Dance? Not everyone’s team makes it past the first day, you know.
    —Ricko[/quote]

    Nah, but by the time you get to the last two weekends (when they’re in domes 50% of the time) you’re selling tickets to either locals or corporate heavyweights who don’t care who’s actually playing. IMHO there aren’t a lot of hotels booked that first weekend.

    My team went to Portland this year, to play in their NBA-sized arena on the first weekend. AFAIK there was less than 500 seats available for everyone; including the band, family, ultraheavyweight givers (the people with buildings named after them) and famous alums to be seen on TV.

    Most importantly: those dates are known, uncancel-ilbe, etc. The locals who buy the tickets aren’t going to say “wow, we thought they’d be playing three days this year…”

    NCAA to World Series: apples/oranges. JMHO.[/quote]

    Yet the NCAA format goes on, and almost NOBODY has home games there.

    Lots of particulars, but it’s do-able, especially if a huge chunk of change is coming into MLB coffers.

    And, personally, I think there’d be only one weekend. First game on Thursday. If it’s a sweep, the final two games are on the weekend. If not, they’rejust building the audience for the three reminding games during the week.

    “Play the World Series at night?
    Frankly, Mr. Finley, I think you’re crazy on this one.”
    Right up until someone shows them the money.[/quote]

    I think a big difference in the MLB to NCAA tourney comparison is that, in the tourney, ALL games are game 7, do-or-die. Same thing applies to the apples/oranges comparison between the World Series and Super Bowl.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 5:44 pm |

    “Same thing applies to the apples/oranges comparison between the World Series and Super Bowl.”

    And what happens during Super Bowl week? The public clamors for news. The media falls all over itself to provide that are, gnerally, an inch or so deep.

    Now imagine an honest-to god game that matters…every night. What you have is an attention-garnering television monster. The comparison to a seven-game NBA series is far more valid than you think, because in fact you CAN’T compare the Super Bowl to baseball. Baseball DOESN’T make you wait a week for meaningful results. It cuts to the chase and gives you something worth watching and talking about every day.

    Anyone old enough to remember the original “Roots” phenomenon knows exactly what I’m talking about.

    (Plus, in this cynical, celebrity-obsessed world, every morning we could awaken to learn which famous person got arrested after–or maybe even AT–the game. It might not be great baseball, but it would amazing TV and, like it or not, that’s really what it’s all about).

    Again, I’m not advocating they do this.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2009 at 6:12 pm |

    Christ…I’m at shea now…everyone is (fans) wearing fuckin black

    They’ll never ditch it…*sighs*

  • James Craven | May 6, 2009 at 6:19 pm |

    Should they move the Coyotes to London, I suggest the name “The London Silly Nannies” be used.

    /Stewie Griffin’d.

  • Mike Engle | May 6, 2009 at 6:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”328097″]Christ…I’m at shea now…everyone is (fans) wearing fuckin black

    They’ll never ditch it…*sighs*[/quote]
    Hey Phil, what shoes does Powers have on right now?

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 7:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”328099″][quote comment=”328097″]Christ…I’m at shea now…everyone is (fans) wearing fuckin black

    They’ll never ditch it…*sighs*[/quote]
    Hey Phil, what shoes does Powers have on right now?[/quote]

    I’ll say the Jackie Robinson’s, sneaker version.

    —Ricko

  • mmwatkin | May 6, 2009 at 7:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”328097″]Christ…I’m at shea now…everyone is (fans) wearing fuckin black

    They’ll never ditch it…*sighs*[/quote]

    Don’t be that guy texting on a cell phone at the game. Have a beer and enjoy the action.

    Stay dry out there!

  • Ricko | May 6, 2009 at 7:32 pm |

    Uh-oh, the Phillies and Mets havea arrived in cliche-land.

    “These two teams really don’t like each other.”

    Yup, heard that on the ESPN pregame.

    —Ricko

  • Flurb | May 6, 2009 at 8:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”328018″]I’m sure it’s been mentioned before, if not, has anyone ever noticed how much this looks like this?[/quote]

    What’s that green dot on the back of the helmet again?

  • Mike Engle | May 6, 2009 at 8:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”328103″][quote comment=”328018″]I’m sure it’s been mentioned before, if not, has anyone ever noticed how much this looks like this?[/quote]

    What’s that green dot on the back of the helmet again?[/quote]
    And what’s that third jersey in the Elvin Hayes SI cover?

  • Geen | May 6, 2009 at 8:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”328080″][quote comment=”328071″][quote comment=”328021″][quote comment=”328018″]I’m sure it’s been mentioned before, if not, has anyone ever noticed how much this looks like this?[/quote]
    It’s been noticed once or twice.

    Especially since Walgreens uses the initial-only version as well.[/quote]
    Walgreen’s has a better team[/quote]

    …and draws more fans[/quote]

    Last Monday, the Nationals maybe got 1,000 people. The day before, the Washington Freedom of Women’s Professional Soccer got more than 5,000.

    Soccer: our national pastime.

  • Geen | May 6, 2009 at 8:43 pm |

    [quote comment=\”328085\”][quote comment=\”328076\”][quote comment=\”328069\”][quote comment=\”328049\”]The only drawback is that it\’s on Malta.[/quote]You say that as if it\’s a bad thing to be on Malta.

    :-)

    [quote comment=\”328049\”]Re Bars. I know Paul has already linked to pics of it, but I\’d want this bar. Maybe with a little less Schlitz.[/quote]The beer that made Milwaukee famous!

    So can anyone tell me what\’s on the right side of that picture? Is it a grocery store that\’s right next door to the bar (and heaven knows that certainly is possible in Milwaukee)?

    JMHO, but if you want a hole-in-the-wall bar you can\’t have a oval/circular bar. By definition, all hole-in-the-wall bars have to have bartenders who weigh at least 300lbs. Maybe more if its a guy. If you have to duck under some part of the bar or squeeze through, then go right ahead and get yourself some potted ferns.[/quote]

    I was just in Milwaukee this weekend, and after the Admirals\’ 4-1 win over Houston, got suckered by friends into going to a bar with $10 martinis. I scanned the beer list and found a \’rotating mug\’ that was only $5. While my friends had the regular 20 oz. beer for $5, I got a half-liter mug of Schlitz for $5 and was pretty happy with it. Quantity over quality.[/quote]
    You can have both.

    The new Schlitz went back to the old recipe.[/quote]

    The old, OLD recipe that nearly put the company out of business?

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2009 at 9:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”328093″]Couple days later after Jack Kemps death.

    I found these color pictures of my favorite Buffalo Bills helmet. To me the standing buffalo with single red stripe was the best looking Bills helmet.

    http://img.photobuck...

    http://img.photobuck...

    I’d tend to agree. Simpler is better – there’s something really elegant about those helmets with the single red stripe.

  • Greenie | May 6, 2009 at 9:20 pm |

    Last Monday, the Nationals maybe got 1,000 people. The day before, the Washington Freedom of Women\’s Professional Soccer got more than 5,000.

    Soccer: our national pastime.[/quote]

    Comparing a weekend to a weekday is stretching it. When the Freedom outdraw the Nationals on a Sunday I\’ll take notice.

  • Dustin | May 6, 2009 at 9:24 pm |

    Brewers’ Manny Parra back to the high cuffs, so far no runs in 4 with a 10-0 lead. Much better than the low-cuffed performances.

  • Mike Engle | May 6, 2009 at 9:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”328110″]Brewers’ Manny Parra back to the high cuffs, so far no runs in 4 with a 10-0 lead. Much better than the low-cuffed performances.[/quote]
    And didn’t the Mets win last time they wore blue accessories with road gray?
    The uni gods exist, and often work in appropriate ways.

  • LarryB | May 6, 2009 at 10:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”328107″][quote comment=”328093″]Couple days later after Jack Kemps death.

    I found these color pictures of my favorite Buffalo Bills helmet. To me the standing buffalo with single red stripe was the best looking Bills helmet.

    http://img.photobuck...

    http://img.photobuck...

    I’d tend to agree. Simpler is better – there’s something really elegant about those helmets with the single red stripe.[/quote]

    Well put Chance.

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2009 at 10:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”328099″][quote comment=”328097″]Christ…I’m at shea now…everyone is (fans) wearing fuckin black

    They’ll never ditch it…*sighs*[/quote]
    Hey Phil, what shoes does Powers have on right now?[/quote]

    back from the game…

    i, of course, wore my gray “im calling it shea” shirt with (of course) blue 100% wool 5950, vintage 2006

    powers wore a gray DIY hoodie (shock) with “I’M CALLING IT SHEA” in press on lettering in the back with a brand new blue 5950

    needless to say, i tried to sit far far away

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2009 at 10:59 pm |

    OH…powers had on orange pumas

  • Mike Engle | May 6, 2009 at 11:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”328114″]OH…powers had on orange pumas[/quote]
    Holy crap, I remember a 4-1 line for the field, but the line could have been astronomical for the non-Nike field.

  • Wollen1 | May 6, 2009 at 11:10 pm |

    Not really uni related, but this is the best sports related soapbox I have, so here goes:

    I am so damn tired of hearing about Brett Favre. I was tired of hearing about him last year when he eventually went to the Jets, and now my fatigue is tenfold. I want him gone from my television and my ESPN.com. My frustration comes not just from Favre’s unfathomable overexposure, but lately also for what he stands for.

    I don’t know if it is Favre’s mission in life to screw over the Packers organization and members of the front office, but it certainly seems like it is. What he has neglected, or worse, intentionally ignored is the slap in the face to the Packers fans who used to revere him. Manuvering to become the starting QB of a chief rival of the Packers and using machinations to assure that the Packers get no compensation is an act of utter disrespect and contempt toward these people.

    Now I personally am no Packers fan, but I can certainly empathize with them. If I was a Packer fan, I would be very bitter towards Mr. Favre right now, to the point where I would feel foolish for formerly holding this guy in such high regard. As it is, I the non-Packers fan can say I always saw Favre as overrated, but I also deeply respected his leadership and grit. Now I can say that I have lost a lot of that respect for him and if he does go to the Vikings, I will actively cheer for his failure.

  • jude | May 6, 2009 at 11:18 pm |

    Friday: Outmania!

    The attendance at Monday’s Nationals game was 14,115. You can look this stuff up, ya know.

    – jude

  • interlockingtc | May 6, 2009 at 11:18 pm |

    This post absolutely made my day. Loved baseball Digest.

    Mini-sports kits: check (all of ’em)
    Magnet standings board: check (all of ’em)
    Eye glass holder: check

    I could go on….. How sweet.

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2009 at 11:29 pm |
  • Chris A | May 7, 2009 at 12:11 am |

    When was the last day game in the World Series? My mother was mentioning the other day when her teacher in class played the radio broadcast of the Milwaukee Braves World Series game.

    Granted, the World Series isn’t about baseball – just as much as the Super Bowl isn’t about football. They have become the money-makers that corporate big-wigs always want to see.

    I can think back to Hendu’s blast against Donnie Moore for a regular season playoff game, back when 8 wins meant a world title…..just wondering.

  • =bg= | May 7, 2009 at 12:21 am |

    [quote comment=”328116″]Not really uni related, but this is the best sports related soapbox I have, so here goes:

    I am so damn tired of hearing about Brett Favre. I was tired of hearing about him last year when he eventually went to the Jets, and now my fatigue is tenfold. I want him gone from my television and my ESPN.com. My frustration comes not just from Favre’s unfathomable overexposure, but lately also for what he stands for.

    I don’t know if it is Favre’s mission in life to screw over the Packers organization and members of the front office, but it certainly seems like it is. What he has neglected, or worse, intentionally ignored is the slap in the face to the Packers fans who used to revere him. Manuvering to become the starting QB of a chief rival of the Packers and using machinations to assure that the Packers get no compensation is an act of utter disrespect and contempt toward these people.

    Now I personally am no Packers fan, but I can certainly empathize with them. If I was a Packer fan, I would be very bitter towards Mr. Favre right now, to the point where I would feel foolish for formerly holding this guy in such high regard. As it is, I the non-Packers fan can say I always saw Favre as overrated, but I also deeply respected his leadership and grit. Now I can say that I have lost a lot of that respect for him and if he does go to the Vikings, I will actively cheer for his failure.[/quote]

    This guy is so over with. Blah blah blah. We’re sick of it. How many times have we heard, “..getting the itch to play again.” Well, R. Brett Ego, here’s where to fix the itch. Go away.

    http://en.wikipedia....

  • =bg= | May 7, 2009 at 12:22 am |

    PS- LOVED those magnetic boards. Had a ton of those team magnets- just not the board to go on. Think I was exclusive to Baseball.

  • Nick | May 7, 2009 at 12:24 am |

    [quote comment=”328003″]RE: Boras and neutral site for World Series.

    I think that is EXACTLY what MLB is maneuvering itself into, by design. Pushing the season deeper into November is all about that. They’re HOPING weather experiences take things to the point where they can say, “Well, guess we have no choice but to go to a neutral site for W-S.”

    MLB looks at the Super Bowl and wants its premier event, like the Super Bowl, to be a huge deal for all its corporate sponsors, big wigs and other fat cats.

    In some boardroom, MLB has envisioned a sort of baseball Mardi Gras of a week or more rotating among places like Miami, L.A, Houston, Phoenix (or cities with domes)…perhaps even New Orleans itself as an ultimate neutral site. MLB wants that kind of sustained orgy of attention, spending and advertising revenue smack in the middle of the NFL season.

    I may not be around to see it, but I’ll bet within a decade, perhaps a bit more, that’s the way it is.

    Go ahead, call me crazy. Or trust the instincts of someone who’s been watching this shit—inside and out as fan, journalist and PR person—for 55 years now.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I agree, though depressingly. They (owners/management)are soooooo wrecking the loyalty between fans and the teams/history/players/tradition that I really believe that we will live to see it – the current system of pro sports – implode.

    I envision a day when the PSL’s and the Neutral field championships and the free agency mercenaries and the bling and the taking games off of free TV (Oh yeah, just wait)and the private acess roads to and from stadiums (more of that to come after Foxboro)will lead to many fans in the stands now to simply drift away.

    It will happen slowly, but it will happen. And Joe Six Pack – priced out all too long ago – will be watching the future of free TV while the OKC Thunder play the Sac. Kings, or the Nats play the next worse team, and he won’t be there to save them.

    It’s never just the one thing, it’s the Dismal Tide.

  • mike 2 | May 7, 2009 at 12:36 am |

    [quote comment=”328120″]When was the last day game in the World Series? My mother was mentioning the other day when her teacher in class played the radio broadcast of the Milwaukee Braves World Series game.

    Granted, the World Series isn’t about baseball – just as much as the Super Bowl isn’t about football. They have become the money-makers that corporate big-wigs always want to see.

    I can think back to Hendu’s blast against Donnie Moore for a regular season playoff game, back when 8 wins meant a world title…..just wondering.[/quote]

    [quote comment=\”328120\”]When was the last day game in the World Series? My mother was mentioning the other day when her teacher in class played the radio broadcast of the Milwaukee Braves World Series game.

    Granted, the World Series isn\’t about baseball – just as much as the Super Bowl isn\’t about football. They have become the money-makers that corporate big-wigs always want to see.

    I can think back to Hendu\’s blast against Donnie Moore for a regular season playoff game, back when 8 wins meant a world title…..just wondering.[/quote]

    If you believe Wikipedia, it was game 6 of the 1987 World Series.

    I don’t hate the night games, I hate the off days. They play every day all year, then there’s a ton of off days in the playoffs. Its a huge advantage to a team with a weaker pitching staff who might not even have to use their 4 and 5 starters.

    As far as the “neutral site” proposal, take it for what its worth, which is Scott Boras musing about how to get more $$ into the players pockets. He doesn’t care about what’s best for the game – which is not a slam, he’s supposed to be an advocate for his clients, he’s not the commissioner – just keep in mind who’s making the proposal.

  • mike 2 | May 7, 2009 at 12:42 am |

    And further to the Coyotes discussion, my first thought for Hamilton was Fincups as well – that was the junior team when I was growing up. I had no idea until today that they were only around for four years, I thought they had much deeper roots than that. I guess those four years seemed like forever when I was a kid.

    It turns out the Fincups are now the Erie Otters (having moved through Brantford, Hamilton again and Niagara Falls).

  • Nick | May 7, 2009 at 12:48 am |

    [quote comment=”328023″][quote comment=”328012″][quote comment=”328008″]Seriously. Ponder it. No travel days. Barring rain, seven straight prime time nights of World Series. Eventually the teams involved almost cease to matter. It would the ultimate annual mini-series…the games and all the debauchery around them. “The Today Show” and “Access Hollywood” would stay in town the whole time. Hell, “The View” would probably broadcast from there. My god, “World Series Week”. MLB is wet just thinking about it. They frickin’ can’t wait. They just need winter weather to take them to it. And the public will willingly agree.[/quote]
    Fortunately, there is no way in hell the owners would allow baseball to take away the revenue of having 2-3 home games with extremely jacked up ticket prices during the World Series.[/quote]

    You’re missing the bigger picture. There’s far more potential money involved—for every team—than the revenues for 2-3 home W-S games. They won’t need hometown fans for the W-S anymore. And they won’t care, either, because the money and the exposure will be so great.

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying it would necessarily be so. I’m saying this is what they’re envisioning. They have to be. There is no sane reason to push the W-S deeper into November unless you’re up to something. Short term it’s about money, yes. Long term, it’s about even more money. I’m telling you, this is what’s on their minds.

    Stop thinking that they give a shit about individual fans or even, to a great degree, individual teams. Once you accept that, it’s much easier to project the direction of all this.

    I’m not angry with, just saying get past the “fan perspective.” See it though owners’ eyes and the ulterior motive of extending the season starts to come through.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I too can see it coming – though I believe it not to be a good thing.

    I am in New Orleans, and to me the 1977/1978 Super Bowl (Broncos vs Cowboys)was the end on the Super Bowl being about the teams and their fans and instead began the dismal trend of the game becoming a Disneyland-type experience for every million dollar lawyer, doctor and Hollywood type and their spoiled kids. The teams and their loyal fans are ignored, and are too often on the outside looking in. There are some exceptions, like the Green Bay fans clogging the town en mass with tickets or without, or to a lesser extent the Bears fans in 1986. True, raw enthusiasm, as authentic as it comes.

    Nothing, however, compares to the 1975 Super Bowl where fans of both teams, the Steelers and the Vikings, were truly fans of their teams and came to N.O. by the tens of thousands – hungry for a breakthrough after years of frustration. I watched true, great fans of both teams rewarded for great seasons after years of following their teams – both sincerely hungering to finally climb to the top of the NFL mountain.
    I watched a Steelers fan pay for the hotel bill of his entire floor when he checked out of his hotel the day after the Steelers won their first title. His sincerity as the hotel clerk tried to talk him out of it moves me to this day. As a Steelers fan, he had climbed the mountain, and was able to see it with his own eyes.

    Today, that guy gets to watch it on TV, or go broke out-bidding a millionaire doctor from somewhere unconnected to the teams for the ticket.
    Pathetic.

    By 1977 it was all about the money, and the non-team fans pouring in, and every N.O. Super Bowl since has gotten more and more eliteist and more prima donna disgusting.

    Entertainment Tonight on stilts.

    Oh yeah, the neutral site Baseball week is coming.

  • scott | May 7, 2009 at 6:54 am |

    I’ve been reading reading Roger Angell’s Five Seasons, written between 1972 and 1976. The more things change the more they stay the same. Fans at the time, he writes, were saying that the DH, Astroturf, night World Series games, free agency and expansion were all ruining the game and would cause its eventual demise. Seems the exact opposite has happened. Do I think we’ll ever see neutral site World Series games? Nope. But if it happens, baseball will go on, likely even more popular than ever.

  • chance michaels | May 7, 2009 at 10:17 am |

    [quote comment=”328127″]I’ve been reading reading Roger Angell’s Five Seasons, written between 1972 and 1976. The more things change the more they stay the same. Fans at the time, he writes, were saying that the DH, Astroturf, night World Series games, free agency and expansion were all ruining the game and would cause its eventual demise. Seems the exact opposite has happened. Do I think we’ll ever see neutral site World Series games? Nope. But if it happens, baseball will go on, likely even more popular than ever.[/quote]
    Good point.

    Don’t forget the initial reaction to radio – it was going to kill all social interaction, close the theatres, shutter libraries.