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Dear NASCAR: Please Make the Cars Look Like This

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Last week I linked to an eBay listing for an old article about NFL helmet carts. I ended up winning the item (I was the only bidder, rather amazingly) and am now the proud owner of the article in question, which was clipped from the Nov./Dec. 1972 issue of the trade magazine DuPont Refinisher News (a publication that was founded in 1928 and still exists today). As many of you know, I’m almost as fond of trade magazines as I am of uniforms, so for me this is a case of two great tastes that taste great together.

The article (which you can read here, here, and here) has some interesting details. To wit:

• The carts were manufactured by a Beverly Hills operation called Sportoys, Inc. I tried googling them but came up empty. Is it possible that manufacturing NFL helmet carts was insufficiently lucrative to ensure the company’s survival? Shocking!

• Very cool that they included all the helmet rivets. But note the square facemasks — it would be interesting to know when the rounded versions started appearing.

• Speaking of the facemasks, note that they’re all gray, since colored facemasks hadn’t yet made their NFL debut (Chargers in ’74, don’tcha know).

• If you look at this photo, you can see that they appear to have applied the Bears’ helmet logo backwards flopped the negative. The photo should look like this.

• According to the text, each helmet received a primer, followed by six to eight coats of paint, then a polishing compound, and then a final clear-coat layer. That’s a lot of paint!

• The last line of the article notes, “What’s more, some major league baseball teams employing similar carts.” This implies that the NFL was ahead of MLB in the headwear-cart development sweepstakes, which is odd, because I’d always thought of these carts are more of a baseball thing than a football thing. I guess I thought that because the baseball carts actually came onto the field of play in the middle of a game to deliver a reliever to the mound, and as a result they became part of the fabric of the sport, while I’ve always perceived the football helmet carts to be little more than kitschy promotional thingies that only get trotted out at halftime or something like that. They seemed more peripheral to the game, while the cap carts seemed more integral (at least in their heyday).

As a result of this perception, I had assumed that the MLB carts came first and that the NFL carts were copycats, but maybe it was the other way around. As it happens, when I wrote an article about MLB bullpen buggies last year, I was unable to determine exactly when the first cap-based cart debuted, and the DuPont article doesn’t indicate when the first helmet carts appeared. But if anyone wants to get crackin’ on research, it would be good to know the chronology of these uni-based vehicles.

Raffle Reminder: I’m raffling off a copy of the excellent new book Remember the AFL. Details here.

Uni Watch News Ticker: The Ernie Davis statue at Syracuse won’t be Nikefied after all. … Look what happens when you cross an oriole with a raven (with thanks to Joe Hilseberg). … Sean Wilson took a tour of the Anheuser-Busch Brewery in St. Looie and was particularly captivated by the pics of the A-B bowling team (here’s a closer look). He also shot a very short video of A-B branding run amok. … Interesting article on soccer sponsorships here (with thanks to Mark Coale). … Got an e-mail last night from Alan Kreit. Subject line was “ultimate fnob.” No text, just a photo attachment. So stupid, it’s sort of brilliant. … That Phil Knight, he sure is a master of suspense. … If you download this Carlos Zambrano radio interview and skip ahead to the 6:30 mark, you’ll hear a petty amusing discussion of Zambrano’s pants (nice find by James Huening).

 

156 comments to Dear NASCAR: Please Make the Cars Look Like This

  • Mr. Met | September 17, 2008 at 8:52 am |

    [quote comment=”289819″]The Ernie Davis statue at Syracuse won’t be Nikefied after all. …[/quote]

    On the other hand, the VP’s response said that “I want to let you know that the sculptor of the statue realized the discrepancy and will be correcting it.”, which could simply mean that they are going to resculpt the incorrect helmet, but still leave the swooshes untouched.

    Cynical view, but one that wouldn’t entirely be shocking if it actually occurred…..

  • Billy | September 17, 2008 at 8:52 am |

    Could the Bears’ cart be facing the other way so that is why the C appears backwards?

  • Jim MI | September 17, 2008 at 8:55 am |

    Curtis Sanford picked what fan submitted mask design he will be wearing this season.

    http://canucks.nhl.c...

    I have always been a fan of goalies’ masks with the mouth surronding the players’ face.

    Some of my favorites:

    Potvin
    http://www.goaliesar...

    Joesph
    http://www.goaliesar...

    Vanbiesbrouck (with FLA)
    http://www.goaliesar...

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 8:56 am |

    oregon ducks football will have a new uni?

    im shocked…shocked

    ….

    like some of the posters postulated, will it be (a) a black helmet; (b) camo or (c) a black helmet AND camo?

    ….

    as much as i love the “lightning neon”…im totally beginning to wear very thin of the whole duck uninanigans

    and nobody likes an angry duck

  • Jamie | September 17, 2008 at 8:59 am |

    So in that Ori-Raven picture, did anyone else notice what I can only describe as NOB?

  • Mr. Met | September 17, 2008 at 9:00 am |

    [quote comment=”290052″]Could the Bears’ cart be facing the other way so that is why the C appears backwards?[/quote]

    That look to be the correct assumption. If you look at the Bears’ helmet, there’s no “face opening”, for a lack of a better term on that helmet, leading one to think that the cart is facing the opposite direction from the others….

  • Jamie | September 17, 2008 at 9:00 am |

    darn. My html skills failed. The point is, the Seau jersey’s could have been read from space.

  • Lil' Stevie | September 17, 2008 at 9:00 am |

    [quote comment=”290052″]Could the Bears’ cart be facing the other way so that is why the C appears backwards?[/quote]
    My guess is a reversed neg… Thoughts?

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 9:03 am |

    [quote comment=”290059″]darn. My html skills failed. The point is, the Seau jersey’s could have been read from space.[/quote]

    it’s HUGE

    also note the “twisted” lid…the nats cap done up in a’s colors…appropriately worn backwards (pretty much everything i HATE all wrapped into one neat package…if you’re going to dis the laundry, might as well go whole hog)

  • Steven | September 17, 2008 at 9:05 am |

    I bet the negative of the football helmet cart shot just got turned around upside down in the printing.. As a photo teacher, you start to notice these things happening a lot. It wouldn’t make much difference except where there were words and lettering.

    Unless one of the dudes in the picture had like a scar or permanent zit on one side of their face and someone wanted to research them and track them down and find out for sure? Probably unnecessary research..

  • Taha | September 17, 2008 at 9:06 am |

    [quote comment=”290060″][quote comment=”290052″]Could the Bears’ cart be facing the other way so that is why the C appears backwards?[/quote]
    My guess is a reversed neg… Thoughts?[/quote]
    reversed negative? wouldn’t that cause all the logos to be reversed?

  • Vincent A. Cipollone | September 17, 2008 at 9:09 am |

    [quote comment=”290060″][quote comment=”290052″]Could the Bears’ cart be facing the other way so that is why the C appears backwards?[/quote]
    My guess is a reversed neg… Thoughts?[/quote]

    It is a reverse negative because you can notice the 20-yard line on the field and in the picture the “2” is clearly backwards.

  • Mr. Met | September 17, 2008 at 9:09 am |

    [quote comment=”290062″]I bet the negative of the football helmet cart shot just got turned around upside down in the printing.. As a photo teacher, you start to notice these things happening a lot. It wouldn’t make much difference except where there were words and lettering.

    Unless one of the dudes in the picture had like a scar or permanent zit on one side of their face and someone wanted to research them and track them down and find out for sure? Probably unnecessary research..[/quote]

    If it’s a reversed negative then why would all the other helmets be correct and a Bears helmet in the middle of the picture be backwards (allegedly)……?

  • Steven | September 17, 2008 at 9:10 am |

    Actually, on closer inspection, both dudes are wearing their watches on their rights arms in the picture, which is probably not true, right?

    So yeah, it must be a reversed negative..

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 9:10 am |

    [quote comment=”290060″][quote comment=”290052″]Could the Bears’ cart be facing the other way so that is why the C appears backwards?[/quote]
    My guess is a reversed neg… Thoughts?[/quote]

    can’t be…all of the other logos are facing forward…the cart is either backwards (logical but odd hypothesis) or that logo is simply applied upside down (did governor paterson apply it?? WTF)

    doubtful any OTHER photos exist showing the carts in the same order…and in the ‘full team photo’, the bears helmet logo is obscured, so we cannot compare it to the photo in question

  • JTH | September 17, 2008 at 9:11 am |

    [quote comment=”290064″][quote comment=”290062″]I bet the negative of the football helmet cart shot just got turned around upside down in the printing.. As a photo teacher, you start to notice these things happening a lot. It wouldn’t make much difference except where there were words and lettering.

    Unless one of the dudes in the picture had like a scar or permanent zit on one side of their face and someone wanted to research them and track them down and find out for sure? Probably unnecessary research..[/quote]

    If it’s a reversed negative then why would all the other helmets be correct and a Bears helmet in the middle of the picture be backwards (allegedly)……?[/quote]
    Because if you reverse the image, all of the other helmets still look right. The Lions’ and Cardinals’ logos both face forward. If you flip the image, they still face forward and the C is actually a C.

    The negative was definitely flipped.

  • Mr. Met | September 17, 2008 at 9:11 am |

    [quote comment=”290065″][quote comment=”290060″][quote comment=”290052″]Could the Bears’ cart be facing the other way so that is why the C appears backwards?[/quote]
    My guess is a reversed neg… Thoughts?[/quote]

    It is a reverse negative because you can notice the 20-yard line on the field and in the picture the “2” is clearly backwards.[/quote]

    As opposed to it maybe being the 50-yard line and the negative not being reversed and the Bears cart is merely facing the opposite direction from all the others……?

  • Taha | September 17, 2008 at 9:12 am |

    The photo of “Babe Ruth” is fuzzy, but there does not appear to be adequate spacing between the names. This is obviously a knockoff :P The arching is nice, though.

    Ahead of him is another guy wearing a “Dimaggio-5” t-shirt. why didn’t they go the whole 9 yards and include “Joe”?

  • Kyle | September 17, 2008 at 9:12 am |

    REVERSED NEGATIVE:

    All of the other logos are reversable, the Bears is the only one in the pic that would be reversed in a negative. And the smoking gun is the reversed \”2\” on the 20 yard line. Any yard line should have a \”0\” on the right side of the line.

  • Flip | September 17, 2008 at 9:12 am |

    It’s backward. You can make out the rivets to the helmet bar. Reverse negative? Uh-uh. The Lion certainly is leaping forward. In the first photo, is that a Peugeot station wagon in the background.

    BTW, kudos for the interview yesterday. I’m no Yankee lover, but Tyler’s got to be the coolest job in America … better than vice president! That mag was terrific, even though I don’t think there was one cover where the player (dare I say it was a Royal, there were so many good shots) wore white Converses.

  • Robert | September 17, 2008 at 9:13 am |

    [quote comment=”290052″]Could the Bears’ cart be facing the other way so that is why the C appears backwards?[/quote]

    The C would still be backwards.

  • dgc | September 17, 2008 at 9:14 am |

    [quote comment=”290058″][quote comment=”290052″]Could the Bears’ cart be facing the other way so that is why the C appears backwards?[/quote]

    That look to be the correct assumption. If you look at the Bears’ helmet, there’s no “face opening”, for a lack of a better term on that helmet, leading one to think that the cart is facing the opposite direction from the others….[/quote]

    To me, it looks like I can see the opening. Plus it’s sloped like the other carts and appears to have the facemask attachments facing the same way. Looks like a reversed decal to me.

  • Jim MI | September 17, 2008 at 9:15 am |

    [quote comment=”290068″][quote comment=”290064″][quote comment=”290062″]I bet the negative of the football helmet cart shot just got turned around upside down in the printing.. As a photo teacher, you start to notice these things happening a lot. It wouldn’t make much difference except where there were words and lettering.

    Unless one of the dudes in the picture had like a scar or permanent zit on one side of their face and someone wanted to research them and track them down and find out for sure? Probably unnecessary research..[/quote]

    If it’s a reversed negative then why would all the other helmets be correct and a Bears helmet in the middle of the picture be backwards (allegedly)……?[/quote]
    Because if you reverse the image, all of the other helmets still look right. The Lions’ and Cardinals’ logos both face forward. If you flip the image, they still face forward and the C is actually a C.

    The negative was definitely flipped.[/quote]

    Everyone do a screenshot of the pic, go to MS Paint and flip it horizonally. You’ll see all the logos are still correct, plus the bears now looks correct, and the 20 yard line is correct as well. Photo was flipped…

    Sorry not tech savy to place pic on web and link to it :(

  • JTH | September 17, 2008 at 9:17 am |

    [quote comment=”290068″][quote comment=”290064″][quote comment=”290062″]I bet the negative of the football helmet cart shot just got turned around upside down in the printing.. As a photo teacher, you start to notice these things happening a lot. It wouldn’t make much difference except where there were words and lettering.

    Unless one of the dudes in the picture had like a scar or permanent zit on one side of their face and someone wanted to research them and track them down and find out for sure? Probably unnecessary research..[/quote]

    If it’s a reversed negative then why would all the other helmets be correct and a Bears helmet in the middle of the picture be backwards (allegedly)……?[/quote]
    Because if you reverse the image, all of the other helmets still look right. The Lions’ and Cardinals’ logos both face forward. If you flip the image, they still face forward and the C is actually a C.

    The negative was definitely flipped.[/quote]
    Here. I flipped the image. All the carts now look correct and you can see that there’s a 2 in front of the bears helmet (20 yard line).

    http://farm4.static....

  • Kyle | September 17, 2008 at 9:17 am |

    Also, for those of you that said the helmet was facing backwards… seriously? Have you ever thought that the Bears logo was backwards half of the time on TV? No. Teams with a non-text logo usually have the logo facing forwards on both sides. Text based logos always read left to right. The only two logos that mess this theory up are the Chiefs and Ravens, who have different logos on each side of the helmet… so that the Raven or Arrowhead is always facing forward, but he text always reads left to right.

  • Paul Lukas | September 17, 2008 at 9:18 am |

    [quote comment=”290062″]I bet the negative of the football helmet cart shot just got turned around upside down in the printing.. As a photo teacher, you start to notice these things happening a lot. It wouldn’t make much difference except where there were words and lettering.[/quote]

    Good call. I now see that both gentlemen in the photo are wearing their wristwatches on their right hand, which is atypical (I don’t want to open that whole debate again, so please DON’T start chiming in with info on how you wear your watch … Let’s just accept that most people are right-handed and that MOST right-handed people wear it on their left hand.)

  • Mr. Met | September 17, 2008 at 9:18 am |

    I concede to the reversed negative crowd. Here’s another way to see it: Look behind the guy with the black blazer. It looks like the license plate on the front of that helmet is flipped as well…

  • Billy | September 17, 2008 at 9:21 am |

    To prove that the image is a reverse negative, save it to your computer, open it in Paint, then go to “Image” and flip/rotate, then flip it horizontally.

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 9:21 am |

    ok…

    it IS indeed a reverse negative…if you can do this…

    blow the pic up to 150% or 200% and get a mirror

    you’ll clearly see the “20” yardline in the mirror…and if you affix a “C” to both sides of the helmet, when both are facing the ‘correct’ direction…one will have the open “c” facing forward while the other will have the closed “c”…to wit

    we’re SO used to seeing the bears c from THIS direction…but…

    look at it from this side

    when you reverse the negative, as is the case here…that’s the side they were shooting it from…f’in weird

    must have had something to do with the direction of the sun and shadows that day

  • Jeremiah | September 17, 2008 at 9:21 am |

    I don’t think the neg or the cart are backwards. It looks to me that there is a facemask jutting out towards the right in the photo. That would indicate the cart is indeed facing the same way as the others are. I think they goofed on the logo.

  • Billy | September 17, 2008 at 9:22 am |

    Darn, beat me to it!

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 9:23 am |

    or…you could just go to paint (thanks all) and flip it

    /damn i suck at computers

    and jth…thanks for POSTING the flip!

  • Mr. Met | September 17, 2008 at 9:24 am |

    [quote comment=”290076″]Here. I flipped the image. All the carts now look correct and you can see that there’s a 2 in front of the bears helmet (20 yard line).

    http://farm4.static....

    Nice job, JTH!

  • Mr. Met | September 17, 2008 at 9:26 am |

    Brilliant observation, LI Phil. I never thought about the direction of the C’s, but when you look at the original photo the decal is indeed correct and the negative is flipped.

  • Stephen | September 17, 2008 at 9:27 am |

    [quote comment=”290071″]REVERSED NEGATIVE:

    All of the other logos are reversable, the Bears is the only one in the pic that would be reversed in a negative. And the smoking gun is the reversed \”2\” on the 20 yard line. Any yard line should have a \”0\” on the right side of the line.[/quote]

    Correct. It is a reversed Negative. Compare the original with the flipped.

    ~E~

  • Stephen | September 17, 2008 at 9:27 am |

    Arrgghh! Too slow on the draw!

    ~E~

  • Mark Richter | September 17, 2008 at 9:29 am |

    NHL Third Jerseys for this year have been leaked

  • Mr. Met | September 17, 2008 at 9:31 am |

    [quote comment=”290088″]Correct. It is a reversed Negative. Compare the original with the flipped.

    ~E~[/quote]

    Additionally, look at the helmet behind the guy with the black blazer. It looks like a Giants helmet, but the “ts” at the end of Giants is reversed….

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 9:31 am |

    [quote comment=”290090″]NHL Third Jerseys for this year have been leaked[/quote]

    heh…can’t WAIT to see this get ripped to shreds

  • MPowers1634 | September 17, 2008 at 9:35 am |

    [quote comment=”290061″][quote comment=”290059″]darn. My html skills failed. The point is, the Seau jersey’s could have been read from space.[/quote]

    it’s HUGE

    also note the “twisted” lid…the nats cap done up in a’s colors…appropriately worn backwards (pretty much everything i HATE all wrapped into one neat package…if you’re going to dis the laundry, might as well go whole hog)[/quote]

    That green looks more like a kelly, akin to the A’s older unis.

    I woud venture to guess that that Nats caps is more along the lines of a St. Patty’s Day special!

    And the Seau jersey is another candidate for Straightcashhomey!

  • Jim MI | September 17, 2008 at 9:36 am |

    [quote comment=”290092″][quote comment=”290090″]NHL Third Jerseys for this year have been leaked[/quote]

    heh…can’t WAIT to see this get ripped to shreds[/quote]

    Those are all artist rendidtions of descriptions, really wouldn’t trust anything until they are actually released.

  • MPowers1634 | September 17, 2008 at 9:37 am |

    [quote comment=”290076″][quote comment=”290068″][quote comment=”290064″][quote comment=”290062″]I bet the negative of the football helmet cart shot just got turned around upside down in the printing.. As a photo teacher, you start to notice these things happening a lot. It wouldn’t make much difference except where there were words and lettering.

    Unless one of the dudes in the picture had like a scar or permanent zit on one side of their face and someone wanted to research them and track them down and find out for sure? Probably unnecessary research..[/quote]

    If it’s a reversed negative then why would all the other helmets be correct and a Bears helmet in the middle of the picture be backwards (allegedly)……?[/quote]
    Because if you reverse the image, all of the other helmets still look right. The Lions’ and Cardinals’ logos both face forward. If you flip the image, they still face forward and the C is actually a C.

    The negative was definitely flipped.[/quote]
    Here. I flipped the image. All the carts now look correct and you can see that there’s a 2 in front of the bears helmet (20 yard line).

    http://farm4.static....

    Well Played, JTH!!!!!

  • dgc | September 17, 2008 at 9:39 am |

    [quote comment=”290092″][quote comment=”290090″]NHL Third Jerseys for this year have been leaked[/quote]

    heh…can’t WAIT to see this get ripped to shreds[/quote]

    Ugh. I’m having “Are these the Caps’ new jerseys?” flashbacks.

  • Mr. Met | September 17, 2008 at 9:43 am |

    [quote comment=”290093″]That green looks more like a kelly, akin to the A’s older unis.

    I woud venture to guess that that Nats caps is more along the lines of a St. Patty’s Day special!

    And the Seau jersey is another candidate for Straightcashhomey![/quote]

    I always thought Straightcashhomey focused on jersey oddities, or as they describe it, an”international ridiculous jersey scavenger hunt”. There’s nothing ridiculous about a Seau Chargers jersey; he was a Charger for almost his entire playing career.

    As opposed to a Chris Gardocki or Jerry Rice Broncos’ jersey… or the Daunte Culpepper Dolphins jersey in my closet.

  • dgc | September 17, 2008 at 9:45 am |

    [quote comment=”290093″]

    That green looks more like a kelly, akin to the A’s older unis.

    I woud venture to guess that that Nats caps is more along the lines of a St. Patty’s Day special!

    And the Seau jersey is another candidate for Straightcashhomey![/quote]

    The Nats’ “Halfway to St. Patty’s Day” cap promo for this year looks like this apparently. FWIW, the promotion is for today’s game.

  • Jeff P | September 17, 2008 at 9:51 am |

    [quote comment=”290090″]NHL Third Jerseys for this year have been leaked[/quote]
    What those are are artist renderings based on leaked verbal descriptions. It gives a good idea, but isn’t quite accurate.

    Was that gentle enough?

  • cheechoo | September 17, 2008 at 9:53 am |

    NHL Third Jerseys for this year have been leaked

    Not 100% accurate. The Sabres jersey has been leaked and confirmed and it does not look like the retro shown here (traces of silver and it is navy blue). Plus we’ve seen that the B’s third does not have the yellow trim at the bottom hem-although I feel that looks nicer than the actual. I think most will be close to those depictions, though.

  • Kek | September 17, 2008 at 9:59 am |

    Nothing to do with today’s entry, but I thought I’d write it here rather than yesterday’s comments:

    Minna, my wife, not unlike yourself, is a big Hochuli fan. I told her about some stories I read and him getting tons of hate mail and he said he felt terrible and was responding to every message personally.

    I sent her the website of his law firm with the email address and she composed a really nice note of encouragement.

    Before 11:00 eastern, he responded back with appreciation and thanks. Of course, there is no way to know 100% if it really is Ed, but the way he was talking in the interview seemed really sincere and if I had to bet, I would say it was him.

    Just thought that was really cool, here’s a guy with all these SD fans sending him nasty messages and he takes the time to respond. Most folks would edit the corporate website to take down the email address or simply put an autoresponse filter on.

  • cheechoo | September 17, 2008 at 10:03 am |

    [quote comment=”290102″]Nothing to do with today’s entry, but I thought I’d write it here rather than yesterday’s comments:

    Minna, my wife, not unlike yourself, is a big Hochuli fan. I told her about some stories I read and him getting tons of hate mail and he said he felt terrible and was responding to every message personally.

    I sent her the website of his law firm with the email address and she composed a really nice note of encouragement.

    Before 11:00 eastern, he responded back with appreciation and thanks. Of course, there is no way to know 100% if it really is Ed, but the way he was talking in the interview seemed really sincere and if I had to bet, I would say it was him.

    Just thought that was really cool, here’s a guy with all these SD fans sending him nasty messages and he takes the time to respond. Most folks would edit the corporate website to take down the email address or simply put an autoresponse filter on.[/quote]

    SD fans should maybe send their defensive coordinator hate mail.

    “Stay classy, San Diego.” (couldn’t resist)

  • MPowers1634 | September 17, 2008 at 10:08 am |

    [quote comment=”290098″][quote comment=”290093″]That green looks more like a kelly, akin to the A’s older unis.

    I woud venture to guess that that Nats caps is more along the lines of a St. Patty’s Day special!

    And the Seau jersey is another candidate for Straightcashhomey![/quote]

    I always thought Straightcashhomey focused on jersey oddities, or as they describe it, an”international ridiculous jersey scavenger hunt”. There’s nothing ridiculous about a Seau Chargers jersey; he was a Charger for almost his entire playing career.

    As opposed to a Chris Gardocki or Jerry Rice Broncos’ jersey… or the Daunte Culpepper Dolphins jersey in my closet.[/quote]

    I stand corrected…You are absolutely correct!
    I saw an old jersey and instantly thought of SCH.

    Something like a Vin Baker Celtics jersey, or Patrick Ewing Magic jersey would be a better fit!

  • MPowers1634 | September 17, 2008 at 10:16 am |

    [quote comment=”290102″]Nothing to do with today’s entry, but I thought I’d write it here rather than yesterday’s comments:

    Minna, my wife, not unlike yourself, is a big Hochuli fan. I told her about some stories I read and him getting tons of hate mail and he said he felt terrible and was responding to every message personally.

    I sent her the website of his law firm with the email address and she composed a really nice note of encouragement.

    Before 11:00 eastern, he responded back with appreciation and thanks. Of course, there is no way to know 100% if it really is Ed, but the way he was talking in the interview seemed really sincere and if I had to bet, I would say it was him.

    Just thought that was really cool, here’s a guy with all these SD fans sending him nasty messages and he takes the time to respond. Most folks would edit the corporate website to take down the email address or simply put an autoresponse filter on.[/quote]

    Like the University of Illinois basketball team!!Ha Ha, not really.

    All kidding aside, Hochuli made a mistake…hate to say it, but we all do. He manned up and admitted it.

    I definitely think that he has earned enough “good credit” over the years to get a pass on this.

    Very much like Phil Luckett:
    http://www2.csc.ne.j...
    He was the ref involved in the Jerome Bettis coin toss fiasco. The next week, he was involved with the Vinny Testaverde phantom touchdown against Seattle:

    http://img.photobuck...

    and then later, involved in the Music City Miracle.
    http://www.bobrosato...

    I’m glad to say that he came through all of that fine, I’m sure Eddie Guns will, as well!

  • Aram | September 17, 2008 at 10:23 am |

    Here’s a video of the helmet cars in action at halftime of the 1973 Super Bowl:

    http://www.youtube.c...

    Love it.

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 10:28 am |

    [quote]Minna, my wife, not unlike yourself, is a big Hochuli fan. I told her about some stories I read and him getting tons of hate mail and he said he felt terrible and was responding to every message personally.

    I sent her the website of his law firm with the email address and she composed a really nice note of encouragement.

    Before 11:00 eastern, he responded back with appreciation and thanks. Of course, there is no way to know 100% if it really is Ed, but the way he was talking in the interview seemed really sincere and if I had to bet, I would say it was him.[/quote]

    that’s awesome douggie…i bet, or am willing to bet that after monday, a good 50-60% of the emails he’s receiving are positive, like those of minna and yer better half

    number of mistakes eddie guns has made in his life

    what penalized players fear most

    i mean…srsly…who’s gonna fuck with this?

  • joe | September 17, 2008 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment=”290069″][quote comment=”290065″][quote comment=”290060″][quote comment=”290052″]Could the Bears’ cart be facing the other way so that is why the C appears backwards?[/quote]
    My guess is a reversed neg… Thoughts?[/quote]

    It is a reverse negative because you can notice the 20-yard line on the field and in the picture the “2” is clearly backwards.[/quote]

    As opposed to it maybe being the 50-yard line and the negative not being reversed and the Bears cart is merely facing the opposite direction from all the others……?[/quote]
    except you can see the 1 from the 10 yard line when the image is flipped correctly and the 0’s would be on that side of the lines not the 1-5’s

  • lwiedy | September 17, 2008 at 10:45 am |

    Another reason it is flipped. The Coliseum has those darker seats in the NE(?) end zone and it you look carefully just to the left of the Giants helmets you can see the start of the bleachers that are in the endzone where the scoreboard and arches are.

    This aerial is from a different period but you can see the difference in seating and where the bleachers are placed. They would be to the right on the photo in question.
    http://googlesightse...
    Just asking, it is that Chargers facemask rounded?

  • Alan #44 | September 17, 2008 at 10:57 am |

    [quote comment=”290070″]The photo of “Babe Ruth” is fuzzy, but there does not appear to be adequate spacing between the names. This is obviously a knockoff :P The arching is nice, though.

    Ahead of him is another guy wearing a “Dimaggio-5” t-shirt. why didn’t they go the whole 9 yards and include “Joe”?[/quote]

    I took the picture while the guy was walking outside of Yankee Stadium last night. It’s funny, he probably has no idea that he is on the ‘net.

  • Blackwater Park | September 17, 2008 at 11:03 am |

    mpowers—-Phil Luckett didn’t exactly come out of his controversies alright. He was demoted to Back Judge following the 2000 season. Hope Eddie Guns can ride out his mistake and keep his referee job.

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 11:04 am |

    [quote comment=”290111″][quote comment=”290070″]The photo of “Babe Ruth” is fuzzy, but there does not appear to be adequate spacing between the names. This is obviously a knockoff :P The arching is nice, though.

    Ahead of him is another guy wearing a “Dimaggio-5” t-shirt. why didn’t they go the whole 9 yards and include “Joe”?[/quote]

    I took the picture while the guy was walking outside of Yankee Stadium last night. It’s funny, he probably has no idea that he is on the ‘net.[/quote]

    thats funny…never noticed the joe d jersey

    i guess you snapped it with your cam-phone…since the ‘shutter speed’ isn’t all that fast, and the lighting is poor…all the lights in the background look like little swooshes

  • Mr. Met | September 17, 2008 at 11:07 am |

    [quote comment=”290109″]except you can see the 1 from the 10 yard line when the image is flipped correctly and the 0’s would be on that side of the lines not the 1-5’s[/quote]

    You are correct. sir.

    So I guess the mystery of the backwards Bears decal has been solved. Leave it to Uniwatchers to jump all over something and have it solved before lunchtime…

  • Mark Max | September 17, 2008 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”290061″][quote comment=”290059″]darn. My html skills failed. The point is, the Seau jersey’s could have been read from space.[/quote]

    it’s HUGE

    also note the “twisted” lid…the nats cap done up in a’s colors…appropriately worn backwards (pretty much everything i HATE all wrapped into one neat package…if you’re going to dis the laundry, might as well go whole hog)[/quote]

    Actually I’m pretty sure that hat is a Winchester Royals hat, a Collegiate Summer League Team in Winchester, VA, not too far from the DC Baltimore Area. I go to college with a guy that played for them this past summer and have seen him in the hat. Here’s a pic of the team so you guys can tell.

    http://www.eteamz.co...

  • Alan #44 | September 17, 2008 at 11:16 am |

    [quote comment=”290113″][quote comment=”290111″][quote comment=”290070″]The photo of “Babe Ruth” is fuzzy, but there does not appear to be adequate spacing between the names. This is obviously a knockoff :P The arching is nice, though.

    Ahead of him is another guy wearing a “Dimaggio-5” t-shirt. why didn’t they go the whole 9 yards and include “Joe”?[/quote]

    I took the picture while the guy was walking outside of Yankee Stadium last night. It’s funny, he probably has no idea that he is on the ‘net.[/quote]

    thats funny…never noticed the joe d jersey

    i guess you snapped it with your cam-phone…since the ‘shutter speed’ isn’t all that fast, and the lighting is poor…all the lights in the background look like little swooshes[/quote]

    Correct, also the guy was walking fast.

  • Mr. Met | September 17, 2008 at 11:16 am |

    [quote comment=”290112″]mpowers—-Phil Luckett didn’t exactly come out of his controversies alright. He was demoted to Back Judge following the 2000 season. Hope Eddie Guns can ride out his mistake and keep his referee job.[/quote]

    Hochuli will be fine. He’ll be downgraded because of that call, but I doubt anything major will happen to him.

    They were discussing this on ESPN the other day: The NFL can live with Hochuli’s mistake. What they really hate is when a referee interprets a rule incorrectly. So while everyone is upset at the rule in question (QB plays whistled dead cannot be reviewed), had Hochuli reviewed the play, overruled the incompletion and ruled it a fumble, that would have been a problem for him, moreso than just admitting he blew the call, because he followed the rulebook to the letter of the law. The rules say the play cannot be reviewed. End of story.

    Besides, would you want to go to Hochuli and tell him he’s being demoted to back judge? I sure as hell wouldn’t.

  • Mr. Met | September 17, 2008 at 11:17 am |

    Ooops…… sorry about the bold…

  • Mr. Met | September 17, 2008 at 11:19 am |

    [quote comment=”290116″][quote comment=”290113″][quote comment=”290111″][quote comment=”290070″]The photo of “Babe Ruth” is fuzzy, but there does not appear to be adequate spacing between the names. This is obviously a knockoff :P The arching is nice, though.

    Ahead of him is another guy wearing a “Dimaggio-5” t-shirt. why didn’t they go the whole 9 yards and include “Joe”?[/quote]

    I took the picture while the guy was walking outside of Yankee Stadium last night. It’s funny, he probably has no idea that he is on the ‘net.[/quote]

    thats funny…never noticed the joe d jersey

    i guess you snapped it with your cam-phone…since the ‘shutter speed’ isn’t all that fast, and the lighting is poor…all the lights in the background look like little swooshes[/quote]

    Correct, also the guy was walking fast.[/quote]

    Look at the two lights above the red one on the left-hand side… talk about inadvertent logo creep. Man, even when they’re not trying, Nike gets the swoosh into every picture they can…

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  • Ricko | September 17, 2008 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment=”290111″][quote comment=”290070″]The photo of “Babe Ruth” is fuzzy, but there does not appear to be adequate spacing between the names. This is obviously a knockoff :P The arching is nice, though.

    Ahead of him is another guy wearing a “Dimaggio-5” t-shirt. why didn’t they go the whole 9 yards and include “Joe”?[/quote]

    I took the picture while the guy was walking outside of Yankee Stadium last night. It’s funny, he probably has no idea that he is on the ‘net.[/quote]

    Hmmmm…that nicely creative Babe Ruth jersey makes me ponder getting a 1956 (or so) Washington Senators road flannel (cuz the “WASHINGTON” is SO long) with “JOE HARDY” on the back (I’d have to check the number first, though)…and see how long it takes for someone to walk up and tell me they get it.

    “I’d sell my soul for one long ball hitter.”

    (Great color footage of LA’s Wrigley Field and Senators unis in the film version, btw.)

  • Eric | September 17, 2008 at 11:23 am |

    Couple of uni/accessory questions answered by Rockies beat writer Troy Renck

    [quote]Aloha, Troy. I’m the biggest Rockies fan in Hawaii. What was the obsession with the black-and-white, sleeveless jerseys during August? I really miss the standard home pinstripes. Are they drawing this from the superstitions from last year’s run?

    — Kevin, Honolulu

    Kevin – The day’s starting pitcher normally chooses the uniform. Most like the black sleeveless because of the look and comfort. As long as they don’t go back to purple, I am cool with it.

    Hi, Troy. I’ve noticed a lot of the major league

    “He influences how you pitch those around him. He’s so strong. He can beat you with one swing.” – Dodgers third base coach Larry Bowa, on Rockies slugger Matt Holliday, above (Denver Post file photo)pitchers have rope “necklaces” that they wear on the mound, Luis Vizcaino being one of them. Is there a story behind those? Why is it just the pitchers who wear them? Thanks.

    — Chris Bailey, Broomfield
    Chris – The rope necklaces are from Phiten. The titanium bands are said to alleviate discomfort, increase circulation, reduce stress and solve global warming. OK, I kid on the latter because I care. Several players wear them, including Joba Chamberlain and Josh Beckett. Some believe they help. Others like the look. And most, frankly, just keep wear them out of habit or superstition.

    They began making them in team colors this season. I have worn one for years, and it seems to help. Then again, it’s hard for a writer to land on the DL with something other than blurry vision or sore fingers.
    [/quote]

  • Eric | September 17, 2008 at 11:26 am |

    sorry about the poor cut and paste job above

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”290121″][quote comment=”290111″][quote comment=”290070″]The photo of “Babe Ruth” is fuzzy, but there does not appear to be adequate spacing between the names. This is obviously a knockoff :P The arching is nice, though.

    Ahead of him is another guy wearing a “Dimaggio-5” t-shirt. why didn’t they go the whole 9 yards and include “Joe”?[/quote]

    I took the picture while the guy was walking outside of Yankee Stadium last night. It’s funny, he probably has no idea that he is on the ‘net.[/quote]

    Hmmmm…that nicely creative Babe Ruth jersey makes me ponder getting a 1956 (or so) Washington Senators road flannel (cuz the “WASHINGTON” is SO long) with “JOE HARDY” on the back (I’d have to check the number first, though)…and see how long it takes for someone to walk up and tell me they get it.

    “I’d sell my soul for one long ball hitter.”

    (Great color footage of LA’s Wrigley Field and Senators unis in the film version, btw.)[/quote]

    hey ricko…

    does this help?

    looks like a deuce to moi

  • buckeyes19 | September 17, 2008 at 11:31 am |

    You know, AIG sponsors Manchester United. Now the taxpayers of the US have just bailed out AIG does that mean we all own some of Man U?

  • lwiedy | September 17, 2008 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”290112″]mpowers—-Phil Luckett didn’t exactly come out of his controversies alright. He was demoted to Back Judge following the 2000 season. Hope Eddie Guns can ride out his mistake and keep his referee job.[/quote]

    Funny you should mention him. NFL Films Presents this week did a profile on Phil’s trials and tribulations. I know you were referring to his professional misfortune but no one could have dealt with all of that better.

    He now travels the world as a missionary and organizes football camps in Russia. Really great story and I think it airs on ESPN2 today at 2 pm.

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 11:32 am |

    if the damn yankee google link doesn’t get you there…try this

  • Shane | September 17, 2008 at 11:33 am |

    From the link about West Ham/West Brom:

    Replica shirts are being sold without a logo although supporters will be able to return the shirts to the club for a sponsor’s logo to be added once a deal has been confirmed.

    ….*facedesk*

  • MPowers1634 | September 17, 2008 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”290112″]mpowers—-Phil Luckett didn’t exactly come out of his controversies alright. He was demoted to Back Judge following the 2000 season. Hope Eddie Guns can ride out his mistake and keep his referee job.[/quote]

    On ESPN2, two night ago, there was an NFL Films special with Luckett as the main subject. The film stated that he “chose” to become a back judge and eventually left officiating in order to spend more time with his family and religion.

    Whether that is 100% the history, I, for one, am not positive, but Steve Sabol seemed to be!

  • MPowers1634 | September 17, 2008 at 11:36 am |

    [quote comment=”290126″][quote comment=”290112″]mpowers—-Phil Luckett didn’t exactly come out of his controversies alright. He was demoted to Back Judge following the 2000 season. Hope Eddie Guns can ride out his mistake and keep his referee job.[/quote]

    Funny you should mention him. NFL Films Presents this week did a profile on Phil’s trials and tribulations. I know you were referring to his professional misfortune but no one could have dealt with all of that better.

    He now travels the world as a missionary and organizes football camps in Russia. Really great story and I think it airs on ESPN2 today at 2 pm.[/quote]

    Lwiedy, quicker to the draw…but yes, that was the special, actually quite good I might add!

  • Alan #44 | September 17, 2008 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment=”290119″][quote comment=”290116″][quote comment=”290113″][quote comment=”290111″][quote comment=”290070″]The photo of “Babe Ruth” is fuzzy, but there does not appear to be adequate spacing between the names. This is obviously a knockoff :P The arching is nice, though.

    Ahead of him is another guy wearing a “Dimaggio-5” t-shirt. why didn’t they go the whole 9 yards and include “Joe”?[/quote]

    I took the picture while the guy was walking outside of Yankee Stadium last night. It’s funny, he probably has no idea that he is on the ‘net.[/quote]

    thats funny…never noticed the joe d jersey

    i guess you snapped it with your cam-phone…since the ‘shutter speed’ isn’t all that fast, and the lighting is poor…all the lights in the background look like little swooshes[/quote]

    Correct, also the guy was walking fast.[/quote]

    Look at the two lights above the red one on the left-hand side… talk about inadvertent logo creep. Man, even when they’re not trying, Nike gets the swoosh into every picture they can…[/quote]

    Funny…those are subway steps at the B/D/4 station outside Yankee Stadium.

  • lwiedy | September 17, 2008 at 11:39 am |

    Inspired by today’s topic, I decided to grab lunch at home and dig up these:
    http://i256.photobuc...
    They are both stamped “Sportoys by Orange Prod. Chatham NJ.
    I also gathered these photos from Ebay auctions:
    http://i256.photobuc...
    http://i256.photobuc...
    http://i256.photobuc...
    http://i256.photobuc...
    Now, what’s to eat?

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment=”290132″]Now, what’s to eat?[/quote]

    fish sticks of course

  • lwiedy | September 17, 2008 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment=”290133″][quote comment=”290132″]Now, what’s to eat?[/quote]

    fish sticks of course[/quote]

    Great idea, we’ve got ’em as long as the kid didn’t eat them all.

    Some tool on First Take just made some grand proclamation that if Jason Campbell wins the Super Bowl (ha, ha) he will be only the second mustached QB to win. Even if you exclude Bradshaw for the full beard (IX) has he never heard of Hoss?

  • Mark in Cincy | September 17, 2008 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment=”290125″]You know, AIG sponsors Manchester United. Now the taxpayers of the US have just bailed out AIG does that mean we all own some of Man U?[/quote]
    We were discussing this here at work (i’m in the financial world) … FOMC (Federal Open Market Committee) United was proposed for the front of the jersey, so was Bernanke FC, and my personal fave, a jersey emblazoned with “This Isn’t Real Football”

  • lwiedy | September 17, 2008 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”290134″][quote comment=”290133″][quote comment=”290132″]Now, what’s to eat?[/quote]

    fish sticks of course[/quote]

    Great idea, we’ve got ’em as long as the kid didn’t eat them all.

    Some tool on First Take just made some grand proclamation that if Jason Campbell wins the Super Bowl (ha, ha) he will be only the second mustached QB to win. Even if you exclude Bradshaw for the full beard (IX) has he never heard of Hoss?[/quote]

    The other he pointed out was Doug Williams and I SWEAR the was talking about mustaches.

    DAMNIT no sticks!

  • buckeyes19 | September 17, 2008 at 12:00 pm |

    i think it should be an american flag. i’m sure the tabloids would have a field day with that one.

  • Kek | September 17, 2008 at 12:03 pm |

    I would seriously doubt the NFL would demote Hochuli to a back judge. This is a guy, despite what Jerry Jones said in one story I read (why the hell was HE EVEN QUOTED anyway? The Cowboys weren’t involved in that play) that Hochuli and his crew have an excellent repuation.

    Prior to Luckett and the “hea-tails” call, which, as a Steeler fan still hurts to this day, was he involved in any controversy or were he and his crew solid? Whether he the league forced him to back judge or if he did in voluntarily, one would think that one “bad call” wouldn’t rate enough to get booted as a referee. (Lord knows the Big East gives more than one bad call….wait for it…a quarter!)

    Plus, at the risk of losing my membership in Steeler Nation, was Luckett REALLY wrong? Bettis started to say HEADS, changed his mind in the middle of a one-syllable word. The rule stated at the time the ref went with what he heard first. If any good came out of that, at least we have the pre-toss call now so there is no debate. What would stop a guy from saying tal-heads, heaaa-tails, trying to confuse the ref.

    I have an old USFL blooper tape (Pro Football Bloopers or something generic like that but great uni-archival footage, maybe I’ll do some caps someday) and there’s a scene from a coin toss where the player says one thing, the ref tosses the coin but forgets and asks the player who made the call, who has seen how the coin landed and he changed his call. Totally pulls it over on the ref and the guy from the other team is like “YOU CHEATER”!!!

    Actually, if anything, that thanksgiving game showed again how stupid the NFL’s OT rules are. I don’t care what stats the league puts out, sudden death is not the right way to handle it. The other team should get a “last bat” if you will. I’m not saying do the terrible college or high school system where they start at the 10 or 20, I’m saying keep the same, real game situation. If you win the toss and kick a FG, you kick off and the other team has a chance to tie it with a FG and keep playing or to win with a touchdown.

    It would stop a lot of boring, third down FGs.

  • Ricko | September 17, 2008 at 12:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”290134″][quote comment=”290133″][quote comment=”290132″]Now, what’s to eat?[/quote]

    fish sticks of course[/quote]

    Great idea, we’ve got ’em as long as the kid didn’t eat them all.

    Some tool on First Take just made some grand proclamation that if Jason Campbell wins the Super Bowl (ha, ha) he will be only the second mustached QB to win. Even if you exclude Bradshaw for the full beard (IX) has he never heard of Hoss?[/quote]

    Everbody, sing…
    “Trust the Gorten fishermen,
    from Gorten’s of Gloucester.”

    And thanks for DAMN YANKEES footage. Joe Hardy looks like a 2, yes. Was kinda thinking he was. Forgot that James Komack was in it; was so funny as a) Dr. Harvey Spencer Blair on “Hennessey” and b) Uncle Norman on “Courtship of Eddie’s Father.” Jean Stapleton in it, too.

    Wonder why “Hennessey” has never been released on vhs or dvd. That was one of TV’s funniest service comedies ever.

    —Ricko
    (I claim uni-related cuz of “#2” stuff)

  • lwiedy | September 17, 2008 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”290138″]
    Whether he the league forced him to back judge or if he did in voluntarily, one would think that one “bad call” wouldn’t rate enough to get booted as a referee.[/quote]

    You really need to see that NFL Films piece. It was almost comical the string of incidences Mr. Luckett and his crew encountered. Vinny at the goal line, Music City Miracle. Not all wrong, not all their fault, but definitely more than one incident.

  • MPowers1634 | September 17, 2008 at 12:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”290139″][quote comment=”290134″][quote comment=”290133″][quote comment=”290132″]Now, what’s to eat?[/quote]

    fish sticks of course[/quote]

    Great idea, we’ve got ’em as long as the kid didn’t eat them all.

    Some tool on First Take just made some grand proclamation that if Jason Campbell wins the Super Bowl (ha, ha) he will be only the second mustached QB to win. Even if you exclude Bradshaw for the full beard (IX) has he never heard of Hoss?[/quote]

    Everbody, sing…
    “Trust the Gorten fishermen,
    from Gorten’s of Gloucester.”

    And thanks for DAMN YANKEES footage. Joe Hardy looks like a 2, yes. Was kinda thinking he was. Forgot that James Komack was in it; was so funny as a) Dr. Harvey Spencer Blair on “Hennessey” and b) Uncle Norman on “Courtship of Eddie’s Father.” Jean Stapleton in it, too.

    Wonder why “Hennessey” has never been released on vhs or dvd. That was one of TV’s funniest service comedies ever.

    —Ricko
    (I claim uni-related cuz of “#2” stuff)[/quote]

    What are you talking about? I feel like I’m watching MNF with Denis Miller!
    You’re old, dude!

    JK…you’re actually cultured. I’ve never seen “Damn Yankees” although I would have like to when Lilith, Bebe Neuwirth was part of the cast.

    http://upload.wikime...

  • Bake | September 17, 2008 at 12:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”290051″][quote comment=”289819″]The Ernie Davis statue at Syracuse won’t be Nikefied after all. …[/quote]

    On the other hand, the VP’s response said that “I want to let you know that the sculptor of the statue realized the discrepancy and will be correcting it.”, which could simply mean that they are going to resculpt the incorrect helmet, but still leave the swooshes untouched.

    Cynical view, but one that wouldn’t entirely be shocking if it actually occurred…..[/quote]

    Here’s a [url=http://www.new.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30340895&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=26904673878&aid=-1&id=1350960322&oid=26904673878#/photo.php?pid=30340894&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=26904673878&aid=-1&id=1350960322&oid=26904673878]pic[/url] of the “swooshes all over the jersey”. Trust me, if this were a Nike conspiracy they’d have swooshes all over the shoes and jersey. Looks to me like the sculptor just made a poor judgement call.

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”290121″]”I’d sell my soul for one long ball hitter.”[/quote]

    they cause me more trouble than the methodist church

  • Alan #44 | September 17, 2008 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”290138″]I would seriously doubt the NFL would demote Hochuli to a back judge.

    This is a guy, despite what Jerry Jones said in one story I read (why the hell was HE EVEN QUOTED anyway? The Cowboys weren’t involved in that play) that Hochuli and his crew have an excellent repuation.

    Prior to Luckett and the “hea-tails” call, which, as a Steeler fan still hurts to this day, was he involved in any controversy or were he and his crew solid? Whether he the league forced him to back judge or if he did in voluntarily, one would think that one “bad call” wouldn’t rate enough to get booted as a referee. (Lord knows the Big East gives more than one bad call….wait for it…a quarter!)

    Plus, at the risk of losing my membership in Steeler Nation, was Luckett REALLY wrong? Bettis started to say HEADS, changed his mind in the middle of a one-syllable word. The rule stated at the time the ref went with what he heard first. If any good came out of that, at least we have the pre-toss call now so there is no debate. What would stop a guy from saying tal-heads, heaaa-tails, trying to confuse the ref.

    I have an old USFL blooper tape (Pro Football Bloopers or something generic like that but great uni-archival footage, maybe I’ll do some caps someday) and there’s a scene from a coin toss where the player says one thing, the ref tosses the coin but forgets and asks the player who made the call, who has seen how the coin landed and he changed his call. Totally pulls it over on the ref and the guy from the other team is like “YOU CHEATER”!!!

    Actually, if anything, that thanksgiving game showed again how stupid the NFL’s OT rules are. I don’t care what stats the league puts out, sudden death is not the right way to handle it. The other team should get a “last bat” if you will. I’m not saying do the terrible college or high school system where they start at the 10 or 20, I’m saying keep the same, real game situation. If you win the toss and kick a FG, you kick off and the other team has a chance to tie it with a FG and keep playing or to win with a touchdown.

    It would stop a lot of boring, third down FGs.[/quote]

    This is just too weird: http://sports.yahoo....

  • Teebz | September 17, 2008 at 12:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”290090″]NHL Third Jerseys for this year have been leaked[/quote]

    Considering those renditions were all stolen from another site and are 3/3 in terms of being incorrect… why would you want it leaked? Heck, Buffalo’s front and back don’t even match.

    Also, for Jim, you might want to go back to the original NHL mask that had the best “swallow the goalie” design: check me out! ;o)

    I love that mask!

  • John T | September 17, 2008 at 12:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”290141″][quote comment=”290139″][quote comment=”290134″][quote comment=”290133″][quote comment=”290132″]Now, what’s to eat?[/quote]

    fish sticks of course[/quote]

    Great idea, we’ve got ’em as long as the kid didn’t eat them all.

    Some tool on First Take just made some grand proclamation that if Jason Campbell wins the Super Bowl (ha, ha) he will be only the second mustached QB to win. Even if you exclude Bradshaw for the full beard (IX) has he never heard of Hoss?[/quote]

    Everbody, sing…
    “Trust the Gorten fishermen,
    from Gorten’s of Gloucester.”

    And thanks for DAMN YANKEES footage. Joe Hardy looks like a 2, yes. Was kinda thinking he was. Forgot that James Komack was in it; was so funny as a) Dr. Harvey Spencer Blair on “Hennessey” and b) Uncle Norman on “Courtship of Eddie’s Father.” Jean Stapleton in it, too.

    Wonder why “Hennessey” has never been released on vhs or dvd. That was one of TV’s funniest service comedies ever.

    —Ricko
    (I claim uni-related cuz of “#2” stuff)[/quote]

    What are you talking about? I feel like I’m watching MNF with Denis Miller!
    You’re old, dude!

    JK…you’re actually cultured. I’ve never seen “Damn Yankees” although I would have like to when Lilith, Bebe Neuwirth was part of the cast.

    http://upload.wikime...

    One of my favorite plays, some great music and baseball,

    But don’t forget the devil (was this a hit in France?)
    http://digilander.li...

  • Fran Barone | September 17, 2008 at 12:33 pm |

    So who are the bowlers on the AB team? I recognize Don Carter, Dick Weber, Ray Bluth, Tom Hennesey and Pat Patterson. I think one of the remaining two is Bill Lillard. Tough to beat this squad.

  • Sammy | September 17, 2008 at 12:37 pm |

    This picture has to have the most variety of professional sports logos of any non-all-star picture I have ever seen. Count:

    1. Baltimore Orioles
    2. Baltimore Ravens
    3. Washington Nationals (despite the twisted colors)
    4. San Diego Chargers (Seau jersey)
    5. And the other guy in the front row looks like he is wearing a team hat that looks like its in the colors of the Yankees, Tigers, or some other blue-hat wearing team.

    So much for uniformity at the home team’s games.

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 12:37 pm |

    ya know there, ricko…thanks to you…

    i can’t get THIS DAMN TUNE out of my head

    /ah the power of suggestion
    //damn, sometimes i really do miss the ’80s…not now…but sometimes

  • Ricko | September 17, 2008 at 12:46 pm |

    Seriously, for those who may not know WHAT the hell we’re talking about…

    http://www.imdb.com/...

    Based on book called, “The Year the Yankees Lost the Pennant” (a reasonably absurd premise at the time because they rarely did). Somebody wanna do a search? If memory serves, the artwork for the book’s dust jacket may have been been done by Willard Mullen. Never owned the book, but saw an ad for it once…or maybe it was a little photo on the cover of the Reader’s Digest Condensed Books series at my grandmother’s house. This is a serious check of this bulletin-board-like (meaning cluttered with crap) mind of mine. I’d do the search but I’m at (yuk) work. Thanks in avance.

    —Ricko

  • Mr. Met | September 17, 2008 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”290144″]This is just too weird: http://sports.yahoo....

    I found it more hilarious than weird.

    What was really disturbing, though, was all the anti-Hochuli vitriol in the comments section. Demanding that Hochuli be suspended and kept out of San Diego “like Steve Bartman was kept out of Wrigley Field”? Suggesting that if Hochuli refs the Super Bowkl “the fix is in”? I shudder to think what the outcry would be if this had been a playoff game or the Super Bowl!

    Bottom line: Hochuli screwed up. But San Diego had opportunities to stop Denver on a 3rd-and-10, a fourth down, and a two-point conversion. Instead their defense looked like a sieve on that final series.

  • Jim MI | September 17, 2008 at 12:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”290145″][quote comment=”290090″]NHL Third Jerseys for this year have been leaked[/quote]

    Considering those renditions were all stolen from another site and are 3/3 in terms of being incorrect… why would you want it leaked? Heck, Buffalo’s front and back don’t even match.

    Also, for Jim, you might want to go back to the original NHL mask that had the best “swallow the goalie” design: check me out! ;o)

    I love that mask![/quote]

    For some reson my work won’t let me view that page :( it’s blocked…..

    Who’s mask is it?

  • Mr. Met | September 17, 2008 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”290152″]For some reson my work won’t let me view that page :( it’s blocked…..

    Who’s mask is it?[/quote]

    Brian Hayward’s shark mask.

  • Jim MI | September 17, 2008 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”290153″][quote comment=”290152″]For some reson my work won’t let me view that page :( it’s blocked…..

    Who’s mask is it?[/quote]

    Brian Hayward’s shark mask.[/quote]

    This one?

    http://www.kazlaaz.c...

    That is pretty sweet…

  • Teebz | September 17, 2008 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”290152″][quote comment=”290145″][quote comment=”290090″]NHL Third Jerseys for this year have been leaked[/quote]

    Considering those renditions were all stolen from another site and are 3/3 in terms of being incorrect… why would you want it leaked? Heck, Buffalo’s front and back don’t even match.

    Also, for Jim, you might want to go back to the original NHL mask that had the best “swallow the goalie” design: check me out! ;o)

    I love that mask![/quote]

    For some reson my work won’t let me view that page :( it’s blocked…..

    Who’s mask is it?[/quote]

    Does this link work, Jim?

    It’s of Hayward’s San Jose Sharks mask.

  • Teebz | September 17, 2008 at 12:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”290154″][quote comment=”290153″][quote comment=”290152″]For some reson my work won’t let me view that page :( it’s blocked…..

    Who’s mask is it?[/quote]

    Brian Hayward’s shark mask.[/quote]

    This one?

    http://www.kazlaaz.c...

    That is pretty sweet…[/quote]

    That would be it. :o)

  • John T | September 17, 2008 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”290150″]Seriously, for those who may not know WHAT the hell we’re talking about…

    http://www.imdb.com/...

    Based on book called, “The Year the Yankees Lost the Pennant” (a reasonably absurd premise at the time because they rarely did). Somebody wanna do a search? If memory serves, the artwork for the book’s dust jacket may have been been done by Willard Mullen. Never owned the book, but saw an ad for it once…or maybe it was a little photo on the cover of the Reader’s Digest Condensed Books series at my grandmother’s house. This is a serious check of this bulletin-board-like (meaning cluttered with crap) mind of mine. I’d do the search but I’m at (yuk) work. Thanks in avance.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Here you go rick, Could not find artist though
    http://www.wwnorton....

  • Justin in AR | September 17, 2008 at 1:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”290138″]I would seriously doubt the NFL would demote Hochuli to a back judge.

    quote]

    Plus, had it not have been for that call, or missed call, or what have you, we would have missed a very “ballsy” (see, Mr. Kepner, we can say “ballsy” on this blog) play executed to perfection by the Broncos. One of the best finishes from last week.

  • Ricko | September 17, 2008 at 1:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”290157″][quote comment=”290150″]Seriously, for those who may not know WHAT the hell we’re talking about…

    http://www.imdb.com/...

    Based on book called, “The Year the Yankees Lost the Pennant” (a reasonably absurd premise at the time because they rarely did). Somebody wanna do a search? If memory serves, the artwork for the book’s dust jacket may have been been done by Willard Mullen. Never owned the book, but saw an ad for it once…or maybe it was a little photo on the cover of the Reader’s Digest Condensed Books series at my grandmother’s house. This is a serious check of this bulletin-board-like (meaning cluttered with crap) mind of mine. I’d do the search but I’m at (yuk) work. Thanks in avance.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Here you go rick, Could not find artist though
    http://www.wwnorton....

    Thanks. There are old editions out there somewhere, I’m sure. I seem to recall one of those cartoons with all the teams climbing a pole trying to reach the pennant (or something like that). Background was solid yellow, I think. Or maybe green. I’m talking about a time before the film…maybe even before the stage version. Practically before TELEVISION, even. LOL

  • MPowers1634 | September 17, 2008 at 1:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”290144″][quote comment=”290138″]I would seriously doubt the NFL would demote Hochuli to a back judge.

    This is a guy, despite what Jerry Jones said in one story I read (why the hell was HE EVEN QUOTED anyway? The Cowboys weren’t involved in that play) that Hochuli and his crew have an excellent repuation.

    Prior to Luckett and the “hea-tails” call, which, as a Steeler fan still hurts to this day, was he involved in any controversy or were he and his crew solid? Whether he the league forced him to back judge or if he did in voluntarily, one would think that one “bad call” wouldn’t rate enough to get booted as a referee. (Lord knows the Big East gives more than one bad call….wait for it…a quarter!)

    Plus, at the risk of losing my membership in Steeler Nation, was Luckett REALLY wrong? Bettis started to say HEADS, changed his mind in the middle of a one-syllable word. The rule stated at the time the ref went with what he heard first. If any good came out of that, at least we have the pre-toss call now so there is no debate. What would stop a guy from saying tal-heads, heaaa-tails, trying to confuse the ref.

    I have an old USFL blooper tape (Pro Football Bloopers or something generic like that but great uni-archival footage, maybe I’ll do some caps someday) and there’s a scene from a coin toss where the player says one thing, the ref tosses the coin but forgets and asks the player who made the call, who has seen how the coin landed and he changed his call. Totally pulls it over on the ref and the guy from the other team is like “YOU CHEATER”!!!

    Actually, if anything, that thanksgiving game showed again how stupid the NFL’s OT rules are. I don’t care what stats the league puts out, sudden death is not the right way to handle it. The other team should get a “last bat” if you will. I’m not saying do the terrible college or high school system where they start at the 10 or 20, I’m saying keep the same, real game situation. If you win the toss and kick a FG, you kick off and the other team has a chance to tie it with a FG and keep playing or to win with a touchdown.

    It would stop a lot of boring, third down FGs.[/quote]

    This is just too weird: http://sports.yahoo....

    Brilliant: One of my favorite kids’ books is that “Differing Perspective” style;

    http://ecx.images-am...

    A few months back, someone posted a link to a fictional discussion within the Warriors locker room that was HYSTERICAL!Same style!

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 1:14 pm |

    [quote]I’m talking about a time before the film…maybe even before the stage version. Practically before TELEVISION, even[/quote]

    so…your 30th birthday then

  • Justin in AR | September 17, 2008 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”290161″][quote]I’m talking about a time before the film…maybe even before the stage version. Practically before TELEVISION, even[/quote]

    so…your 30th birthday then[/quote]

    Ha-ha!

  • Justin in AR | September 17, 2008 at 1:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”290160″][quote comment=”290144″][quote comment=”290138″]I would seriously doubt the NFL would demote Hochuli to a back judge.

    This is a guy, despite what Jerry Jones said in one story I read (why the hell was HE EVEN QUOTED anyway? The Cowboys weren’t involved in that play) that Hochuli and his crew have an excellent repuation.

    Prior to Luckett and the “hea-tails” call, which, as a Steeler fan still hurts to this day, was he involved in any controversy or were he and his crew solid? Whether he the league forced him to back judge or if he did in voluntarily, one would think that one “bad call” wouldn’t rate enough to get booted as a referee. (Lord knows the Big East gives more than one bad call….wait for it…a quarter!)

    Plus, at the risk of losing my membership in Steeler Nation, was Luckett REALLY wrong? Bettis started to say HEADS, changed his mind in the middle of a one-syllable word. The rule stated at the time the ref went with what he heard first. If any good came out of that, at least we have the pre-toss call now so there is no debate. What would stop a guy from saying tal-heads, heaaa-tails, trying to confuse the ref.

    I have an old USFL blooper tape (Pro Football Bloopers or something generic like that but great uni-archival footage, maybe I’ll do some caps someday) and there’s a scene from a coin toss where the player says one thing, the ref tosses the coin but forgets and asks the player who made the call, who has seen how the coin landed and he changed his call. Totally pulls it over on the ref and the guy from the other team is like “YOU CHEATER”!!!

    Actually, if anything, that thanksgiving game showed again how stupid the NFL’s OT rules are. I don’t care what stats the league puts out, sudden death is not the right way to handle it. The other team should get a “last bat” if you will. I’m not saying do the terrible college or high school system where they start at the 10 or 20, I’m saying keep the same, real game situation. If you win the toss and kick a FG, you kick off and the other team has a chance to tie it with a FG and keep playing or to win with a touchdown.

    It would stop a lot of boring, third down FGs.[/quote]

    This is just too weird: http://sports.yahoo....

    Brilliant: One of my favorite kids’ books is that “Differing Perspective” style;

    http://ecx.images-am...

    A few months back, someone posted a link to a fictional discussion within the Warriors locker room that was HYSTERICAL!Same style![/quote]

    This? http://sayhey.wordpr...

  • Ricko | September 17, 2008 at 1:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”290162″][quote comment=”290161″][quote]I’m talking about a time before the film…maybe even before the stage version. Practically before TELEVISION, even[/quote]

    so…your 30th birthday then[/quote]

    Ha-ha![/quote]

    Ah-HA!!! Gotta love ebay.

    Okay, it isn’t players climbing a pole. HAS a pole, and the composition takes the eye from lower left to upper right, that much I remembered. And it is yellow. And it is Willard Mullen. (shakes head) Hadn’t thought about that in years.

    From 1954. So wasn’t quite 30 yet.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Original Jim | September 17, 2008 at 1:22 pm |

    Ed Hochuli is not going to be demoted to back judge. He and his crew may not be assigned to any playoff games, but he won’t be removed from his position.

    He’s human. We all make mistakes from time to time.

    Chalk this play up under “indavertent whistle”. He killed the play. Possession is retained by the same team at the time of the whistle. Denver keeps the ball anyway.

    San Diego needs to get over it and find ways to win that aren’t contingent on a late-game fumble by a quarterback.

  • ScottyJ in WV | September 17, 2008 at 1:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”290147″]So who are the bowlers on the AB team? I recognize Don Carter, Dick Weber, Ray Bluth, Tom Hennesey and Pat Patterson. I think one of the remaining two is Bill Lillard. Tough to beat this squad.[/quote]

    I’m with ya, Fran! Team bowling discussions begin and end with the Budweisers.

    I did some research on the bowling hall of fame and museum’s photo archive (which is simply fantastic!) and it looks like the 2 guys you’re missing are Chuck O’Donnell & Bill Lillard.

    One of my regrets in my bowling career is to have been too young to bowl during the golden age and experience some of that awesome team bowling.

  • JTH | September 17, 2008 at 1:40 pm |

    To me, Dick Enberg’s mistakes at the end of the Denver-San Diego game were far more egregious than Ed Hochuli’s. When the Broncos scored the touchdown, he shouted “OVERTIME!” And then after the two-point conversion, he informed the audience that the Broncos had won, despite the fact that there was nearly half a minute left in the game.

    WHERE’S HIS HATE MAIL?

  • Mike D | September 17, 2008 at 1:46 pm |

    Unfortunately I don’t have a picture of this, but I went to a Yankees game back in June, and walking down the street was a guy wearing a Yankees jersey, #48 (I think) with “NO NAME…OF COURSE” (a la Michael Kay) on the back above the jersey.

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”290167″]To me, Dick Enberg’s mistakes at the end of the Denver-San Diego game were far more egregious than Ed Hochuli’s. When the Broncos scored the touchdown, he shouted “OVERTIME!” And then after the two-point conversion, he informed the audience that the Broncos had won, despite the fact that there was nearly half a minute left in the game.

    WHERE’S HIS HATE MAIL?[/quote]

    dick is at sporting events these days

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 1:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”290169″][quote comment=”290167″]To me, Dick Enberg’s mistakes at the end of the Denver-San Diego game were far more egregious than Ed Hochuli’s. When the Broncos scored the touchdown, he shouted “OVERTIME!” And then after the two-point conversion, he informed the audience that the Broncos had won, despite the fact that there was nearly half a minute left in the game.

    WHERE’S HIS HATE MAIL?[/quote]

    dick is at sporting events these days[/quote]

    WTF…that should have read “dick is frequently distracted at sporting events these days

    is this site running slooooooooooooowwwwwly for anyone else?

  • Justin in AR | September 17, 2008 at 1:52 pm |

    Yeah, this site is taking an awfully long time to refresh today, for some reason.

  • MPowers1634 | September 17, 2008 at 1:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”290163″][quote comment=”290160″][quote comment=”290144″][quote comment=”290138″]I would seriously doubt the NFL would demote Hochuli to a back judge.

    This is a guy, despite what Jerry Jones said in one story I read (why the hell was HE EVEN QUOTED anyway? The Cowboys weren’t involved in that play) that Hochuli and his crew have an excellent repuation.

    Prior to Luckett and the “hea-tails” call, which, as a Steeler fan still hurts to this day, was he involved in any controversy or were he and his crew solid? Whether he the league forced him to back judge or if he did in voluntarily, one would think that one “bad call” wouldn’t rate enough to get booted as a referee. (Lord knows the Big East gives more than one bad call….wait for it…a quarter!)

    Plus, at the risk of losing my membership in Steeler Nation, was Luckett REALLY wrong? Bettis started to say HEADS, changed his mind in the middle of a one-syllable word. The rule stated at the time the ref went with what he heard first. If any good came out of that, at least we have the pre-toss call now so there is no debate. What would stop a guy from saying tal-heads, heaaa-tails, trying to confuse the ref.

    I have an old USFL blooper tape (Pro Football Bloopers or something generic like that but great uni-archival footage, maybe I’ll do some caps someday) and there’s a scene from a coin toss where the player says one thing, the ref tosses the coin but forgets and asks the player who made the call, who has seen how the coin landed and he changed his call. Totally pulls it over on the ref and the guy from the other team is like “YOU CHEATER”!!!

    Actually, if anything, that thanksgiving game showed again how stupid the NFL’s OT rules are. I don’t care what stats the league puts out, sudden death is not the right way to handle it. The other team should get a “last bat” if you will. I’m not saying do the terrible college or high school system where they start at the 10 or 20, I’m saying keep the same, real game situation. If you win the toss and kick a FG, you kick off and the other team has a chance to tie it with a FG and keep playing or to win with a touchdown.

    It would stop a lot of boring, third down FGs.[/quote]

    This is just too weird: http://sports.yahoo....

    Brilliant: One of my favorite kids’ books is that “Differing Perspective” style;

    http://ecx.images-am...

    A few months back, someone posted a link to a fictional discussion within the Warriors locker room that was HYSTERICAL!Same style![/quote]

    This? http://sayhey.wordpr...

    Nice, Justin…the talking beard got me!

  • Rick White Un Trois | September 17, 2008 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”290170″][quote comment=”290169″][quote comment=”290167″]To me, Dick Enberg’s mistakes at the end of the Denver-San Diego game were far more egregious than Ed Hochuli’s. When the Broncos scored the touchdown, he shouted “OVERTIME!” And then after the two-point conversion, he informed the audience that the Broncos had won, despite the fact that there was nearly half a minute left in the game.

    WHERE’S HIS HATE MAIL?[/quote]

    dick is at sporting events these days[/quote]

    WTF…that should have read “dick is frequently distracted at sporting events these days

    is this site running slooooooooooooowwwwwly for anyone else?[/quote]

    Yeah the site … wait a minute … sorry, I was distracted by the linked image.

    I wonder if I can apply for Mr. Enberg’s job.

  • Jim MI | September 17, 2008 at 2:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”290156″][quote comment=”290154″][quote comment=”290153″][quote comment=”290152″]For some reson my work won’t let me view that page :( it’s blocked…..

    Who’s mask is it?[/quote]

    Brian Hayward’s shark mask.[/quote]

    This one?

    http://www.kazlaaz.c...

    That is pretty sweet…[/quote]

    That would be it. :o)[/quote]

    I always thought a good design for a goalie’s mask would be a big one of these on the forehead

    http://fussybaby.net...

  • concealed78 | September 17, 2008 at 2:55 pm |

    So in that Bears cart corrected pic, is that a Steelers helmet with a logo painted on the right side of the helmet?

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”290175″]So in that Bears cart corrected pic, is that a Steelers helmet with a logo painted on the right side of the helmet?[/quote]

    hmmm…if that is a steelers helmet…the “left” side should look like this and the “right” side (using your verbage) should look like this…and thus…be BLANK

    ….great catch…question is…is that helmet a steelers lid?

  • jere | September 17, 2008 at 3:02 pm |

    Look at the ad for nano-cromatic ipod on the top of the Apple home page (keep reloading till it appears). What does it remind you of? (I also saw a TV ad where the dripping is in motion, forming the stirrup effect.)

  • Ricko | September 17, 2008 at 3:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”290175″]So in that Bears cart corrected pic, is that a Steelers helmet with a logo painted on the right side of the helmet?[/quote]

    The portion of the logo that shows is pretty far forward. Most likely the Vikings, I’d say.

  • jere | September 17, 2008 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”290176″][quote comment=”290175″]So in that Bears cart corrected pic, is that a Steelers helmet with a logo painted on the right side of the helmet?[/quote]

    hmmm…if that is a steelers helmet…the “left” side should look like this and the “right” side (using your verbage) should look like this…and thus…be BLANK

    ….great catch…question is…is that helmet a steelers lid?[/quote]

    It looks like Steelers, but all these helmets appear to be NFC teams–maybe all the AFC teams were on the other side facing them. So then it wouldn’t be Steelers.

  • Jim MI | September 17, 2008 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”290177″]Look at the ad for nano-cromatic ipod on the top of the Apple home page (keep reloading till it appears). What does it remind you of? (I also saw a TV ad where the dripping is in motion, forming the stirrup effect.)[/quote]

    Seems the logo is a little too foreward to be a Steelers helmet…

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 3:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”290178″][quote comment=”290175″]So in that Bears cart corrected pic, is that a Steelers helmet with a logo painted on the right side of the helmet?[/quote]

    The portion of the logo that shows is pretty far forward. Most likely the Vikings, I’d say.[/quote]

    yup…and if anyone would know the vikings, tha’d be the ricko

  • MPowers1634 | September 17, 2008 at 3:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”290181″][quote comment=”290178″][quote comment=”290175″]So in that Bears cart corrected pic, is that a Steelers helmet with a logo painted on the right side of the helmet?[/quote]

    The portion of the logo that shows is pretty far forward. Most likely the Vikings, I’d say.[/quote]

    yup…and if anyone would know the vikings, tha’d be the ricko[/quote]

    or these guys:
    http://www.scarletkn...

  • tom farley | September 17, 2008 at 3:28 pm |

    I mean…srsly…who’s gonna fuck with this?
    Jeebus, LI Phil. I thought it was a hell of a gun show when he had his stripes on.

    Can anybody recall seeing a player invade Hochuli’s personal space? I’m guessing there’s an unspoken “No, won’t be intimidating him into reversing any calls.”

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 3:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”290183″]I mean…srsly…who’s gonna fuck with this?
    Jeebus, LI Phil. I thought it was a hell of a gun show when he had his stripes on.

    Can anybody recall seeing a player invade Hochuli’s personal space? I’m guessing there’s an unspoken “No, won’t be intimidating him into reversing any calls.”[/quote]

    ya…i posted that primarily for minna…she loves this gun show too

  • Jim MI | September 17, 2008 at 3:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”290183″]I mean…srsly…who’s gonna fuck with this?
    Jeebus, LI Phil. I thought it was a hell of a gun show when he had his stripes on.

    Can anybody recall seeing a player invade Hochuli’s personal space? I’m guessing there’s an unspoken “No, won’t be intimidating him into reversing any calls.”[/quote]

    Do the refs get drug tested? Guess it really doesn’t matter for them, but just curious

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 3:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”290185″]
    Do the refs get drug tested? Guess it really doesn’t matter for them, but just curious[/quote]

    funny you should ask, jim

  • Mike Engle | September 17, 2008 at 4:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”290145″][quote comment=”290090″]NHL Third Jerseys for this year have been leaked[/quote]

    Considering those renditions were all stolen from another site and are 3/3 in terms of being incorrect… why would you want it leaked? Heck, Buffalo’s front and back don’t even match.

    Also, for Jim, you might want to go back to the original NHL mask that had the best “swallow the goalie” design: check me out! ;o)

    I love that mask![/quote]
    Not to question your hockey knowledge, Teebz, but what about Gilles Gratton’s “Leo” mask?
    (Hmmm, maybe that’s more “digested goalie” than “swallow the goalie,” but still awesome.)

  • Mike Engle | September 17, 2008 at 4:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”290112″]mpowers—-Phil Luckett didn’t exactly come out of his controversies alright. He was demoted to Back Judge following the 2000 season. Hope Eddie Guns can ride out his mistake and keep his referee job.[/quote]
    And then Phil Luckett, as back judge, couldn’t get out of Joe Horn’s way downfield, surely erasing a long touchdown pass. (Relatively insignificant, but I remember it because I’m from New Orleans.)

  • John Paul Jones | September 17, 2008 at 4:45 pm |

    I always thought a good design for a goalie’s mask would be a big one of these on the forehead

    http://fussybaby.net

    I swear I read something 2 or 3 years ago (perhaps on this site?) that said goalies who play for teams with circular logos always have a lower GAA and Save Pct because the human eyes will always focus on a circle (i.e. shots go right into the chest protector).

  • Keith B | September 17, 2008 at 4:49 pm |

    2 things:

    1) Unless the carts are going to be used for the games in London, you can see that the steering wheels are on the wrong side in the original.

    2) I was watching the end of the game when Enberg made both those calls. Cut him some slack, he was excited during an exciting game. He also apologized to the viewers afterward because from his vantage point he could not see the clock. (I’m sure he was prompted by his producer to the mistakes, but, as a gentleman, I think the apology was sincerely his.)

  • Teebz | September 17, 2008 at 4:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”290187″][quote comment=”290145″][quote comment=”290090″]NHL Third Jerseys for this year have been leaked[/quote]

    Considering those renditions were all stolen from another site and are 3/3 in terms of being incorrect… why would you want it leaked? Heck, Buffalo’s front and back don’t even match.

    Also, for Jim, you might want to go back to the original NHL mask that had the best “swallow the goalie” design: check me out! ;o)

    I love that mask![/quote]
    Not to question your hockey knowledge, Teebz, but what about Gilles Gratton’s “Leo” mask?
    (Hmmm, maybe that’s more “digested goalie” than “swallow the goalie,” but still awesome.)[/quote]

    Gratton’s mask was of a lion’s face, and was quite impressive for the time. But it didn’t involve the image of an animal’s face closing over the goaltender’s mouth.

  • JTH | September 17, 2008 at 5:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”290190″]2) I was watching the end of the game when Enberg made both those calls. Cut him some slack, he was excited during an exciting game. He also apologized to the viewers afterward because from his vantage point he could not see the clock. (I’m sure he was prompted by his producer to the mistakes, but, as a gentleman, I think the apology was sincerely his.)[/quote]
    My post was satirical in nature. I figured the “bring on the hate mail” or whatever I wrote would indicate that, but the tone of these posts is hard to pick up sometimes.

    THAT BEING SAID… there’s no excuse for him not knowing how much time was left in the game.

  • chance | September 17, 2008 at 5:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”290159″][quote comment=”290157″][quote comment=”290150″]Seriously, for those who may not know WHAT the hell we’re talking about…

    http://www.imdb.com/...

    Based on book called, “The Year the Yankees Lost the Pennant” (a reasonably absurd premise at the time because they rarely did). Somebody wanna do a search? If memory serves, the artwork for the book’s dust jacket may have been been done by Willard Mullen. Never owned the book, but saw an ad for it once…or maybe it was a little photo on the cover of the Reader’s Digest Condensed Books series at my grandmother’s house. This is a serious check of this bulletin-board-like (meaning cluttered with crap) mind of mine. I’d do the search but I’m at (yuk) work. Thanks in avance.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Here you go rick, Could not find artist though
    http://www.wwnorton....

    Thanks. There are old editions out there somewhere, I’m sure. I seem to recall one of those cartoons with all the teams climbing a pole trying to reach the pennant (or something like that). Background was solid yellow, I think. Or maybe green. I’m talking about a time before the film…maybe even before the stage version. Practically before TELEVISION, even. LOL[/quote]
    That’s the current printing – here’s the first printing (small, but best I can find).

  • Al | September 17, 2008 at 5:21 pm |

    Enberg was great with Merlin Olsen back in the day, but let’s be honest — if he’s not there already, he’s quickly approaching Willie Mays circa 1973.

    TANGENT — Whenever I think of the 4:00 games on NBC back in the 80s, I think of Alcoa’s Fantastic Finishes.

  • MPowers1634 | September 17, 2008 at 6:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”290194″]Enberg was great with Merlin Olsen back in the day, but let’s be honest — if he’s not there already, he’s quickly approaching Willie Mays circa 1973.

    TANGENT — Whenever I think of the 4:00 games on NBC back in the 80s, I think of Alcoa’s Fantastic Finishes.[/quote]

    or the U.S. Army presents…Teammates, Working to be The Best…They Can Be! Plus, the Seahawks with Largent, Dave Krieg, Curt Warner, Jacob Green, Kenny Easley and my favorite, John L. Williams were ALWAYS on!

    Don Criqui and Bob Trumpy were really good too. I always seem to remember them doing Browns, Broncos, and those Seahawks games!

  • mrxmt | September 17, 2008 at 6:33 pm |

    Did anyone consider the possibility that the Bears helmet is inside out?

    ;)

  • JTH | September 17, 2008 at 7:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”290195″][quote comment=”290194″]Enberg was great with Merlin Olsen back in the day, but let’s be honest — if he’s not there already, he’s quickly approaching Willie Mays circa 1973.

    TANGENT — Whenever I think of the 4:00 games on NBC back in the 80s, I think of Alcoa’s Fantastic Finishes.[/quote]

    or the U.S. Army presents…Teammates, Working to be The Best…They Can Be! Plus, the Seahawks with Largent, Dave Krieg, Curt Warner, Jacob Green, Kenny Easley and my favorite, John L. Williams were ALWAYS on!

    Don Criqui and Bob Trumpy were really good too. I always seem to remember them doing Browns, Broncos, and those Seahawks games![/quote]
    IBM Presents: You Make the Call!

  • Andy--01 | September 17, 2008 at 8:22 pm |

    I’m not able to watch it so I can’t confirm, but apparently K-State is wearing Purple Pants tonight. Typically, they wear silver both on the road and at home.

  • Flip | September 17, 2008 at 8:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”290199″]I’m not able to watch it so I can’t confirm, but apparently K-State is wearing Purple Pants tonight. Typically, they wear silver both on the road and at home.[/quote]

    That would be cq. Doesn’t look bad, but that may be offset by the fact Louisville’s unis look so awful.

  • Jordan Pope | September 17, 2008 at 8:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”290179″][quote comment=”290176″][quote comment=”290175″]So in that Bears cart corrected pic, is that a Steelers helmet with a logo painted on the right side of the helmet?[/quote]

    hmmm…if that is a steelers helmet…the “left” side should look like this and the “right” side (using your verbage) should look like this…and thus…be BLANK

    ….great catch…question is…is that helmet a steelers lid?[/quote]

    It looks like Steelers, but all these helmets appear to be NFC teams–maybe all the AFC teams were on the other side facing them. So then it wouldn’t be Steelers.[/quote]

    but wait
    Steelers were apart of the NFL pre-AFL merger

  • derek | September 17, 2008 at 8:37 pm |

    Weird shot here of the st. louis blues vs. the coloumbus bluejackets. The blues are wearing there old( pre rbk edge) uniforms. The bluejackets are wearing there rbk edge jerseys in the same game. Anyone know what is up with this?

  • derek | September 17, 2008 at 8:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”290202″]Weird shot here of the st. louis blues vs. the coloumbus bluejackets. The blues are wearing there old( pre rbk edge) uniforms. The bluejackets are wearing there rbk edge jerseys in the same game. Anyone know what is up with this?[/quote]
    http://www.nhl.com/n...

    heres the link

  • Carl | September 17, 2008 at 8:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”290115″][quote comment=”290061″][quote comment=”290059″]darn. My html skills failed. The point is, the Seau jersey’s could have been read from space.[/quote]

    it’s HUGE

    also note the “twisted” lid…the nats cap done up in a’s colors…appropriately worn backwards (pretty much everything i HATE all wrapped into one neat package…if you’re going to dis the laundry, might as well go whole hog)[/quote]

    Actually I’m pretty sure that hat is a Winchester Royals hat, a Collegiate Summer League Team in Winchester, VA, not too far from the DC Baltimore Area. I go to college with a guy that played for them this past summer and have seen him in the hat. Here’s a pic of the team so you guys can tell.

    http://www.eteamz.co...

    …awesome if it is a Winchester Royals cap. I dig summer/amateur/minor/unaffiliated baseball but I wonder if there’s a possibility that it could be one of those ridiculous “fashion” 59Fifty caps.

    examples –
    http://mlb.imageg.ne...
    http://www.detroitat...
    http://formatmag.com...
    http://mlb.imageg.ne...
    http://img.thefind.c...

  • Ricko | September 17, 2008 at 8:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”290201″][quote comment=”290179″][quote comment=”290176″][quote comment=”290175″]So in that Bears cart corrected pic, is that a Steelers helmet with a logo painted on the right side of the helmet?[/quote]

    hmmm…if that is a steelers helmet…the “left” side should look like this and the “right” side (using your verbage) should look like this…and thus…be BLANK

    ….great catch…question is…is that helmet a steelers lid?[/quote]

    It looks like Steelers, but all these helmets appear to be NFC teams–maybe all the AFC teams were on the other side facing them. So then it wouldn’t be Steelers.[/quote]

    but wait
    Steelers were apart of the NFL pre-AFL merger[/quote]

    It’s the front part of the Vikings horn.

  • Ricko | September 17, 2008 at 8:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”290205″][quote comment=”290201″][quote comment=”290179″][quote comment=”290176″][quote comment=”290175″]So in that Bears cart corrected pic, is that a Steelers helmet with a logo painted on the right side of the helmet?[/quote]

    hmmm…if that is a steelers helmet…the “left” side should look like this and the “right” side (using your verbage) should look like this…and thus…be BLANK

    ….great catch…question is…is that helmet a steelers lid?[/quote]

    It looks like Steelers, but all these helmets appear to be NFC teams–maybe all the AFC teams were on the other side facing them. So then it wouldn’t be Steelers.[/quote]

    but wait
    Steelers were apart of the NFL pre-AFL merger[/quote]

    It’s the front part of the Vikings horn.[/quote]

    Steelers, Colts and Browns moved to AFC in first merged season (’70).

  • Flip | September 17, 2008 at 8:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”290200″][quote comment=”290199″]I’m not able to watch it so I can’t confirm, but apparently K-State is wearing Purple Pants tonight. Typically, they wear silver both on the road and at home.[/quote]

    That would be cq. Doesn’t look bad, but that may be offset by the fact Louisville’s unis look so awful.[/quote]

    On the road, they wore purple pants w/two white stripes back in the day, 1974. That was Vince Gibson’s last year and my first at State. Steve Grogan was qb. It was the last year for white helmets (single purple stripe). At home, it was white pants with a single purple stripe.

    The next year, gray was reintroduced (Gibson had it his first year). Except for a couple years in the Stan Parrish era, silver or gray has been part of the football color scheme. I wish they’d stick with purple and white — the school colors as they’re sung in “Alma Mater.”

    There’s your purple post for the day.

  • chance | September 17, 2008 at 8:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”290201″][quote comment=”290179″][quote comment=”290176″][quote comment=”290175″]So in that Bears cart corrected pic, is that a Steelers helmet with a logo painted on the right side of the helmet?[/quote]

    hmmm…if that is a steelers helmet…the “left” side should look like this and the “right” side (using your verbage) should look like this…and thus…be BLANK

    ….great catch…question is…is that helmet a steelers lid?[/quote]

    It looks like Steelers, but all these helmets appear to be NFC teams–maybe all the AFC teams were on the other side facing them. So then it wouldn’t be Steelers.[/quote]

    but wait
    Steelers were apart of the NFL pre-AFL merger[/quote]

    True, but by the time this photo was taken they had moved over to the AFC upon the creation of the two conferences. All of the identifiable helmets are of NFC teams.

  • LI Phil | September 17, 2008 at 8:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”290205″][quote comment=”290201″][quote comment=”290179″][quote comment=”290176″][quote comment=”290175″]So in that Bears cart corrected pic, is that a Steelers helmet with a logo painted on the right side of the helmet?[/quote]

    hmmm…if that is a steelers helmet…the “left” side should look like this and the “right” side (using your verbage) should look like this…and thus…be BLANK

    ….great catch…question is…is that helmet a steelers lid?[/quote]

    It looks like Steelers, but all these helmets appear to be NFC teams–maybe all the AFC teams were on the other side facing them. So then it wouldn’t be Steelers.[/quote]

    but wait
    Steelers were apart of the NFL pre-AFL merger[/quote]

    It’s the front part of the Vikings horn.[/quote]

    and if anyone would know the vikes, tha’d be the ricko

  • Carl | September 17, 2008 at 9:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”290125″]You know, AIG sponsors Manchester United. Now the taxpayers of the US have just bailed out AIG does that mean we all own some of Man U?[/quote]

    …maybe Man U would put the Treasury Seal on their kits until the AIG slow burn is complete. Talk about awkward international logo creep.

    You know, all this chatter about Eddy Guns makes me wonder how he would handle the mess on Wall Street. Maybe he could call Chuck Norris and the two could get down to business.

  • Ricko | September 17, 2008 at 10:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”290208″][quote comment=”290201″][quote comment=”290179″][quote comment=”290176″][quote comment=”290175″]So in that Bears cart corrected pic, is that a Steelers helmet with a logo painted on the right side of the helmet?[/quote]

    hmmm…if that is a steelers helmet…the “left” side should look like this and the “right” side (using your verbage) should look like this…and thus…be BLANK

    ….great catch…question is…is that helmet a steelers lid?[/quote]

    It looks like Steelers, but all these helmets appear to be NFC teams–maybe all the AFC teams were on the other side facing them. So then it wouldn’t be Steelers.[/quote]

    but wait
    Steelers were apart of the NFL pre-AFL merger[/quote]

    True, but by the time this photo was taken they had moved over to the AFC upon the creation of the two conferences. All of the identifiable helmets are of NFC teams.[/quote]

    That’s what I meant, Chance. Sorry if in context it came out assbackwards.

  • Azul Army | September 17, 2008 at 11:03 pm |

    I was listening to the Dodgers-Pirates game (on XM) on the way home from work when I heard one of the Pirate announcers comment on Dodger pitcher Jason Jonhnson and how it looks like he’s wearing a cell phone on his belt. There were a few comments back and forth and a few minutes later the announcer (sounding a little sheepish), informed the listener(s) that the object was an insulin pump. And as if to appear he knew it all along, he reminded everyone of an upcoming diabetes fundraiser.

    Heres a pic of The pump when Johnson was a Detroit Tiger. Didn’t find a pic, but here’s a link to a video of Johnson in his Dodger uni wearing an insulin pump It’s at about 8 seconds into the video