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Citrusy History Mystery

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Last August, I published my “One and Done” column on ESPN.com, which was devoted to uniforms that were worn just a couple of times. My timeline of such uni designs included the following entry:

1971: Brooks Robinson, who’s moonlighting as a sporting goods executive while playing third base for the Orioles, convinces team management to have the O’s suit up in solid orange uniforms supplied by his company. The team humors him for two games before the solid orange getup is put out to pasture.

My source for that info was this page from Bill Henderson’s MLB Game-Worn Jerseys of the Double-Knit Era CD, which, as you can see, indicates that the all-orange ensemble was worn twice in 1971 — once at home and once in Cleveland. I generally trust Bill’s info, plus I had two other resources that seemed to confirm that the orange design was only worn in 1971: First, there was this photo (probably taken in 1971, since it shows the “Big Four” of Palmer, McNally, Dobson, and Cuellar, each of whom won 20 games in ’71), and then “Dressed to the Nines” (whose database shows the orange uni appearing only in 1971).

But last Friday, Steve Dewing‘s awesome baseball photo site featured two O’s-in-orange pics I’d never seen before — look here and here — and as you can see, they’re both dated April of 1972.

Had the Orioles actually worn the orange design in ’72 as well as ’71? Maybe they just wore them at the tail end of spring training? Maybe Steve didn’t date the photos correctly?

I wrote to Steve to ask what he could tell me about the pics. Here’s what he wrote back:

Since the slides are stamped “APR 72” and were shot in Cleveland [based on the stadium background], I can only guess they were shot in the series that the Orioles played in Cleveland on April 21-23, 1972.

I had another person tell me that the O’s planned on wearing them at home during Friday and Saturday games in 1971. Because of Boog Powell’s objection, though, they only wore them about 10 times.

The month/year stamping on slides doesn’t always tell the story, though. For example, it’s not unusual to get slides stamped with “October” because they were shot at a September 28th game and weren’t developed until October 1st or later. But in the case of these images, it’s unlikely they were shot in 1971 and sat for 6 months before developing, especially knowing who the photographer is/was (for several reasons, I can’t discuss who took the photos on my site).

I suppose the date-stamping machine at the film developing place could have just gotten the year wrong.

Hmmm, lots to chew on there. Were the orange uniforms worn just twice, or as many as 10 times? Just in 1971, or possibly in ’72 as well? When were the Cleveland pics taken?

A few thoughts:

• Note that the center photo on Bill Henderson’s page refers to a Sports Illustrated caption indicating that Brooks Robinson had just hit an orange-clad grand slam. Brooks hit only one salami over the course of 1971 and ’72, and that was in this game — 9/16/71, in Baltimore. So that’s one confirmed date for the orange uni.

• After that game, the O’s went on a road trip that included a stop in Cleveland on September 24-26. If they were experimenting with the solid-orange design, it seems plausible that they’d wear it on the road trip immediately following the uniform’s home debut.

• On the other hand, I’ve had second thoughts about this photo. Sure, it could’ve been taken late in 1971. But it probably wasn’t taken at that Sept. 16th game in Baltimore, because none of the pitchers had notched 20 wins yet at that point. Now, if the team did go orange-clad in Cleveland later that month, the photo could’ve been taken there, because all four pitchers had reached the 20-win plateau by the end of that series (Dobson and Cuellar, in fact, both reached it on Sept. 24th, as the O’s swept a doubleheader from the Tribe). HOWEVER, wouldn’t it actually make more sense for the photo to have been taken the following year, as the pitchers were basking in the glow of their 20-win quadfecta? That logic would argue for the uniforms having been worn at least once in 1972. Can anyone tell which stadium is shown in the background?

So it’s still a bit of mystery. The real lesson here, it seems to me, is how easy it is to fall into the trap of relying on a source like “Dressed to the Nines” or Bill Henderson’s CD — or Uni Watch, for that matter. I’m not critiquing Bill, or Steve, or Marc Okkonen (the historian whose work is the basis for the “Dressed to the Nines Database”) or Tom Shieber (the current “Nines” curator) — I’m just saying that historical documentation is often trickier than it seems, and we all need to remember that something isn’t necessarily accurate simply because an “authority” says it is, whether that authority is Bill, or Steve, or Marc, or me. Something to keep in mind as we try to piece together the puzzle of those orange unis. (Update: See comment Nos. 73, 80, 177, 223, and 227 below — I think we have our answer.)

One final thought: What was the deal with Brooksie’s stirrups? Yeeeeesh.

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Uni Watch Vacation Update: I’m gonna be in New Orleans next week (attending the Ponderosa Stomp, eating lots of crawfish, etc.). My original plan, as I reported about a month ago, was to shut down the site for the week, which no doubt gave many of you a case of cold sweats, but it turns out that won’t be necessary. Bryan will handle main entries next week, and Vince will compile the Ticker (communiqués sent to the Uni Watch e-mail address will automatically be forwarded to him). Both of them will be under orders to turn off the commenting function or just shut down the site if people act like 12-year-olds, so please don’t give them the substitute teacher treatment. Thanks.

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Membership News: A month ago I promised to address the status of the membership program “in a week or two.” Sorry for the delay. Let me try to anticipate some questions you might have:

Does the membership program still exist?
Yes, but it’s much simpler now. There’s now only one membership level. It costs $15 to join, your membership lasts forever (including all the existing memberships from the past year), and there are no other benefits other than the membership card itself. If you’re an existing member and you want a new card with a different design on the back, that too is $15.

When I launched the program last year, the idea was to generate enough $$$ to justify all the time I was sinking into the site; now that I have a much more generous deal from ESPN, it’s no longer necessary or fair for me to ask for that kind of support, so now the membership program is much simpler. The $15 fee is just to cover the time and labor that goes into creating the cards.

So when I joined at the $100 level last year, that was all for nothing?
No no no — without the many generous contributions that many of you made last year, I would’ve had to either shut down the site or curtail it significantly. You made it possible for me to keep working on the site — I thank you, and I’m sure your fellow readers do as well.

Now that there’s only one membership level, what are you going to do about the membership roster listing, which indicates each member’s level?
For now, I’m leaving the roster format unchanged (mainly because I’ve been too busy to deal with it). But since the “Membership Level” field is now blank for new members, I’ll probably just eliminate that column from the roster altogether.

And what about the “Membership Level” line on the front of the card?
We’ve changed that for new cards, like so.

I made a point of signing up before July 31st last year just so I could be a Charter Member. You said we’d get a little “Charter Member” designation on our cards when we renewed, but now I’m a member for life and there’s no reason to renew. So what about the little designation on my card?
This is the one thing I haven’t found a good solution for. One thing I plan to do is to change the membership roster so charter members’ names (not just their uni numbers) are shown in bold. But that doesn’t address the question of the cards. If you’re a charter member and want to order a new card with a different design, we’ll definitely add the little designation on your new card, but I don’t want anyone to feel obligated to order a new card. We considered e-mailing a little “Charter Member” icon to the appropriate people, with the idea that you could print it out on a label and apply it to your card, but the icon would be too small for most home printers to execute with any degree of clarity.

Frankly, I’m a little stumped. I feel bad about not providing that little extra bonus that so many of you signed up for, but I don’t see a good way to provide it unless you order a new card — and really, I don’t want you to order a new card unless you really want one. If there’s a good solution we’re overlooking, feel free to let me know.

I joined at Level Four, which means Scott Turner’s supposed to design a logo for me. Whatever happened to that?
Scott designed almost all of the Level Four logos months ago. If you haven’t gotten yours, it’s either because you asked him to wait until you had a clearer idea of what you wanted and/or because he hasn’t been able to get in touch with you. If you haven’t gotten your logo, please contact me.

I joined at Level Five, which means you’re supposed to publish an interview with me. When does that happen?
I’ve been very bad about this, even though it only applies to two of you. Karen, I interviewed you months ago and will publish the transcript shortly — honest. V., I contacted you a while back and you said, “No rush,” but I’m sure this isn’t what you meant. I’ll be calling you as soon as I get back from New Orleans.

What about the T-shirt that was available for Level Two and above? Now that there’s only one level, can anyone get the shirt?
I’ve decided to retire this shirt, so that it will be special collector’s item for people who helped support the site over the past year. All future shirt designs will have nothing to do with the membership program and will be available to everyone.

I think that covers everything. If you have additional questions, you know what to do.

Uni Watch News Ticker: My thanks to the many, many readers who pointed out that there’s nothing at all unusual about the How I Met Your Mother T-shirt that I showed yesterday. It’s a Canton-Akron Indians tee, plus the Indians used the wishbone C back in the 1950s (which I should have known, duh, but I was kinda frantic putting together the Ticker yesterday morning). … We all know the President receives lots of commemorative jerseys, but what about Condi? Details here (with thanks to Zac Neubauer). … New uniforms for the Penguins — well, for one penguin. … I’ve opined many times that the Reebok logo on the Seahawks’ sleeves is so big that it overshadows the team logo. But MJ Turner has found this photo, from when the current design was first introduced — note the different Reebok logo placement and the much larger team logo. Would’ve been much better if they’d stuck with that, but Reebok must’ve insisted on the lower sleeve placement. Pricks. … New Hockey Canada jerseys were unveiled yesterday. … Here’s a video of the new Minnesota uniforms (with thanks to Jeff Brown). … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: The Rams will wear a Georgia Frontiere memorial patch next season. No photo yet. … Tarheel-O-Rama: Mike Orr sent along some old pics of UNC’s 1892 baseball team, 1892 football team, and 1911 basketball team. … Yesterday I ran this photo and asked, “What’s up with that mound?” Chad Wilson says it’s probably one of these. … Former candlepin bowling broadcaster Don Gillis died on Wednesday, and his obituary includes some video links that feature some amazing bowling attire — look here and here (with thanks to Mike Vanne). … Huge manifesto on retired numbers here. … Bit of a cock-up, so to speak, on the logo front in London. … Good photo gallery of hockey playoff beards here (with thanks to brad Smith). … Frank Mercogliano sent along some amazing photos from the recent Idaho State/Utah softball game. The field was pretty wet, so the teams went to Wal-Mart and purchased some paper towels — “Like, a lot of paper towels,” says Frank — which they used to set back the trade of groundskeeping by at least 80 years mop up the field. … Frank Thomas, back with the A’s, has reclaimed No. 35. Dana Eveland, who’d been wearing that number, has switched to No. 30. … Loads of big, wet kisses for Nike in this video clip about the new U.S.A. softball uniforms (with thanks to Brinke Guthrie). … And in a stunning development uncovered by Bryan, it turns out Nike has also scored a sponsorship deal with the Texas polygamists (I hear they got a group discount). … Remember how the Colts wanted fans to submit designs for a new secondary logo? The five finalists are now up for voting. Personally, I’d prefer to see them use Horse (who wears a uniform!), Quick Draw McGraw, El Kabong, Silver, Trigger, Champion, or whoever this is, but they don’t appear to have allowed for write-in votes. … “I know the trend of having fans dress ‘in uniform’ has been around for a while, with the 2006 Miami Heat 2006 Miami Heat and Calgary Flames coming to mind immediately,” writes Dan Arnold. “However, it seems like this trend has been everywhere in these NBA playoffs.” … Stunner last night in DC, as longtime Stirrups Squad member Johnny Estrada pinch-hit against the Mets and was wearing a pair of those bogus faux stirrups (photo taken and provided by Tim Stackhouse, who was at the game). … Speaking of the Nats and Mets, sharp-eyed footwear specialist Mark Mihalik checks in with some awesome reporting work: “On Wednesday night, I noticed Jose Reyes wearing Easton cleats — surprising, since he normally wears Nike. At first it appeared that he may have switched contracts, but after hearing the details from a few Easton employees, it turns out that Felipe Lopez gave Reyes a pair of his cleats (he’s the only one who wears a model with those colors). Reyes wore them again on Thursday, and here’s a great shot of them together with their matching footwear.”

 

234 comments to Citrusy History Mystery

  • DJ | April 25, 2008 at 8:22 am |

    Personally, I’d prefer to see them use Nell (who wears a uniform!)

    Um, “Nell” is Nell Fenwick, the daughter of the commander of Dudley Do-Right’s mountie post, Inspector Fenwick. Dudley’s horse’s name was “Horse.”

  • Mark | April 25, 2008 at 8:31 am |

    There is no way in hell that the paper towels could have actually worked to dry up the field. Was there no Diamond Dry in the house? I know it’s kinda pricey, but come on…

  • John | April 25, 2008 at 8:35 am |

    Darn it DJ, ya beat me!

  • Paul Lukas | April 25, 2008 at 8:39 am |

    [quote comment=”256036″]Personally, I’d prefer to see them use Nell (who wears a uniform!)

    Um, “Nell” is Nell Fenwick, the daughter of the commander of Dudley Do-Right’s mountie post, Inspector Fenwick. Dudley’s horse’s name was “Horse.”[/quote]

    Oops. Will fix now!

  • ESS | April 25, 2008 at 8:50 am |

    Maybe a bit obscure, but does anyone have any idea what was written on the inside back of Marty Biron’s mask/helmet last night during the Flyers/Habs game? It was on the right side, I believe, of one the “fins” that come back around his head where the actual back of the helmet/mask sits.

    I caught it a couple of times but I am a Luddite when it comes to screen grabs….

  • Don | April 25, 2008 at 9:01 am |

    RE: Baltimore orange jerseys.

    If they wore them in Cleveland on the road trip in Sept. 71 they would have had to worn them on 9/26/71 in order for the game to match the photo. That was the only day game of the series (it was on a Sunday). A quick look at the Box+PBP at retrosheet reveals that Brooks did play and went 1 for 4. His only hit was a single and he did not make it to second (where it appears that photo was taken.)

  • LI Phil | April 25, 2008 at 9:05 am |

    judging from the attendance in the brooksie photo…

    it could have been taken in camden yards this year

  • =bg= | April 25, 2008 at 9:06 am |

    Couple things: those all-orange things are the worst uniforms I have ever seen in my life. Palmer looks like a tall tangerine.

    And RE the Colts, I’d go with #3; #5 is a direct knock off of the Broncos, right?

  • Steve | April 25, 2008 at 9:06 am |

    [quote comment=”256038″]There is no way in hell that the paper towels could have actually worked to dry up the field. Was there no Diamond Dry in the house?

    I know it’s kinda pricey, but come on…[/quote]
    Ummm…yeah. Why not purchase a few bags of Kitty Litter? They could have certainly contacted Paul and I am sure he would have obliged…

    On another note — my spam “anti-spam word” was better. My better is BETTER than your better

  • Shayne M | April 25, 2008 at 9:09 am |

    Someone please e-mail the colts and tell them to check their heads. Seriously, why would anybody useone of those five logo’s?

  • Roger | April 25, 2008 at 9:09 am |

    I would guess that the four-pitcher, orange-uniform photo was taken in Baltimore. The seats in the background look like Colts blue. Just a guess.

  • Tuffy | April 25, 2008 at 9:10 am |

    Had the Orioles actually worn the orange design in ’72 as well as ’71? Maybe they just wore them at the tail end of spring training? Maybe Steve didn’t date the photos correctly?

    “Hello?”
    “Mr. Palmer?”
    “Yes.”
    “Hi, I’m Paul Lukas from ESPN, and I have a question for you…”

  • pbaude | April 25, 2008 at 9:13 am |

    first time i heard of fans dressing was the winnipeg whiteout. they carried the tradition down to phoenix too when the jets moved.

  • pbaude | April 25, 2008 at 9:14 am |

    [quote comment=”256051″]first time i heard of fans dressing was the winnipeg whiteout. they carried the tradition down to phoenix too when the jets moved.[/quote]

    but as the article says, it was inspired by calgary. my bad!

  • Teebz | April 25, 2008 at 9:24 am |

    [quote comment=”256041″]Maybe a bit obscure, but does anyone have any idea what was written on the inside back of Marty Biron’s mask/helmet last night during the Flyers/Habs game? It was on the right side, I believe, of one the “fins” that come back around his head where the actual back of the helmet/mask sits.

    I caught it a couple of times but I am a Luddite when it comes to screen grabs….[/quote]

    “Oscar” and “Emmy”. He has been asked several times what they mean, but he never tells anyone.

    Also, the Winnipeg White-Out did not “move” to Phoenix. If the Coyotes can’t honour any of the Winnipeg traditions, they don’t deserve the White-Out.

    But yes, the White-Out started in response to Calgary’s Sea of Red. The Jets won the series against Calgary 3-1 in 1985 (they only played best-of-5 series in the first round).

  • Joey Guns | April 25, 2008 at 9:29 am |

    Check out this personalized Nationals jersey:

    http://misterirrelev...

  • Kris Fulton | April 25, 2008 at 9:40 am |

    [quote comment=”256055″]Also, the Winnipeg White-Out did not “move” to Phoenix. If the Coyotes can’t honour any of the Winnipeg traditions, they don’t deserve the White-Out.[/quote]

    Well, they did play a preseason game in Winnipeg this year – but didn’t wear Jets throwbacks. How do you miss that opportunity?

  • Duckstyle | April 25, 2008 at 9:42 am |

    The only one of those Colts logos that could possibly work is #2, but the legs are gonne have to go. There’s just waaaaaay too much detail in the rest of the logos to actually put them on any normal hat or shirt. Maybe they’d work on one of those ridiculous HSN throw blankets that always seem to be about a foot too short.

  • Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland | April 25, 2008 at 9:42 am |

    [quote comment=”256046″]Couple things: those all-orange things are the worst uniforms I have ever seen in my life. Palmer looks like a tall tangerine.

    And RE the Colts, I’d go with #3; #5 is a direct knock off of the Broncos, right?[/quote]
    Maybe they can make a secondary logo based on this? Wouldn’t be a direct knock-off of the Broncos…..oh, wait…..looks just like this Bronco

  • ryan c #40 | April 25, 2008 at 9:48 am |

    “whiteout” at the penguins game tonight! they are giving away white shirts too!

    un-related:
    wasn’t earth day just on tuesday? and those girls are using all those paper towels to clean up the field??? ugh!

  • interlockingtc | April 25, 2008 at 9:51 am |

    The Colts must face the truth and bring back the li’l bucking colt used in Baltimore from 1953 through 1978. Compared to the overwrought beasts being offered in that poll, it’s no contest.

  • chance | April 25, 2008 at 9:55 am |

    Bill Henderson’s collection is nothing short of amazing, but he doesn’t always draw the correct conclusions from it, and therefore leaves a lot to be desired as an authoritative source.

    I don’t know how much he’s fixed this in recent updates, but when I bought his guide he hadn’t taken into account that teams re-issued jerseys, and therefore that the year on the tag might well not reflect the actual year of the design.

    This page on the Brewers’ early flannels shows the problem. He’s dating the jerseys based on the year listed on the tags, which makes his timeline all muddy. The narrow sleeve and neck piping was not introduced in 1970, it was added in 1971 to jerseys that had been worn in 1970.

    I don’t know if he’s fixed this in subsequent updates – I sent him an email at the time but never heard back. It’s a shame, because I want his work to be the most authentic reference possible.

  • chance | April 25, 2008 at 10:03 am |

    [quote comment=”256063″]The Colts must face the truth and bring back the li’l bucking colt used in Baltimore from 1953 through 1978. Compared to the overwrought beasts being offered in that poll, it’s no contest.[/quote]

    Agreed.

  • Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland | April 25, 2008 at 10:03 am |

    With Draft Day only 30 hours away, I see that our friends at the NFL have this year’s Draft Day hats for sale. Is it just me, or do these things get http://nfl.imageg.ne... every year?

  • Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland | April 25, 2008 at 10:05 am |

    [quote comment=\”256066\”]With Draft Day only 30 hours away, I see that our friends at the NFL have this year\’s Draft Day hats for sale. Is it just me, or do these things get http://nfl.imageg.ne... every year?[/quote]
    Sorry – my linking messed up message…
    should have read \”…do these things get uglier every year?\”

  • Perry | April 25, 2008 at 10:06 am |

    [quote comment=”256038″]There is no way in hell that the paper towels could have actually worked to dry up the field. Was there no Diamond Dry in the house?

    I know it’s kinda pricey, but come on…[/quote]

    Another thing about that one….as an Aggie alum, I feel compelled to point out that the game was at Utah STATE, not Utah.

  • Yankee Rhoda | April 25, 2008 at 10:08 am |

    how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

    http://en.wikipedia....

  • Andrew | April 25, 2008 at 10:16 am |

    Not to re-hash an old conversation. As great as the Ponderosa Stomp is, Jazz-Fest (this weekend and next) at the New Orleans fairground has great music with even better food. Over all it’s my favorite excuse to go back to New Orleans.

  • Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland | April 25, 2008 at 10:18 am |

    [quote comment=”256069″]how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

    http://en.wikipedia....
    Cold.
    Funny, but cold
    ;-)

  • Ricko | April 25, 2008 at 10:19 am |

    re: Orioles orange. Yup, they wore them during regular season. Remember photo showing up in SI and thinking, sheesh are they ugly. Orioles also experimented with sleeveless vests around that time (SI ran photo from a night game in Balt.)

    re: Gophers’ unis. Borrrring. Exactly what everyone else is doing these days. If they wanted to be REALLY inventive they have gone back to true Old School: White helmets and pants, maroon jerseys with gold numbers kinda like Penn State) what they wore last times they went to the Rose Bowl (’60 and ’61 seasons). One other thing. Based on the fashion show, either the helmets are the staying the same or they aren’t going to wear any. Better idea for Michigan, I’d think: “Gerald Ford Throwback Non-Helmets.”

  • RS Rogers | April 25, 2008 at 10:20 am |

    Re: USA Softball unis, what the heck is that one player talking about the “Spirit of America” on the back? Is this a reference to block numbers, which everyone knows were invented by Betsy Ross when George Washington asked for help putting numbers on the Colonial Navy’s aircraft carriers in 1777? Or is there like a paragraph of patriotic text sewn onto the back, or what?

  • Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland | April 25, 2008 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=”256069″]how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

    http://en.wikipedia....
    Or this (put on your thinking caps, kiddies)

  • chance | April 25, 2008 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=”256067″][quote comment=\”256066\”]With Draft Day only 30 hours away, I see that our friends at the NFL have this year\’s Draft Day hats for sale. Is it just me, or do these things get http://nfl.imageg.ne... every year?[/quote]
    Sorry – my linking messed up message…
    should have read \”…do these things get uglier every year?\”[/quote]

    What’s really ugly is that the NFL is still using that stupid and useless “NFL EQUIPMENT” logo….

  • John T | April 25, 2008 at 10:23 am |

    Munster Rugby club in Limerick is know through europe for it’s travelling fans. Not only for the sheer volumne but for their overall good behavior. The best examples I could find was in the European cup final (Known as the Heineken Cup)about 2 years ago. The final was held in Cardiff (Wales) and they say that about 50-60,000 fans turned up for the match. The stadium seats 74,500 and was of course sold out. How the Munster fans got that many seats are a great source of stories in Limerick (their home base). Also the semi-final that was held in Dublin, it was an away match as the home team were from dublin (Leinster).
    The fans are known as the Red Army and I have been to a few matches and I have to tell you, the atmosphere would blow away any NBA, NFL or MLB game, the only thing close is the NHL.

    Cardiff and another
    Lansdowne Road and another

  • Rob B | April 25, 2008 at 10:24 am |

    Check out the Logo bonanza on the Madden NFL 09

  • Paul Lukas | April 25, 2008 at 10:27 am |

    [quote comment=”256074″]re: Orioles orange. Yup, they wore them during regular season.[/quote]

    Yes, but WHICH season(s)? That’s the question.

  • Yankee Rhoda | April 25, 2008 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment=”256076″][quote comment=”256069″]how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

    http://en.wikipedia....
    Or this (put on your thinking caps, kiddies)[/quote]
    Dont get it?

  • Jordan | April 25, 2008 at 10:32 am |

    Beckham jersey casues fight between kids.

    2 Hawaiian boys and families go to court over game-used jersey.

  • Ricko | April 25, 2008 at 10:33 am |

    I have two four-drawer lateral files full of MLB, NFL and college football clippings dating back to the 50s. I know cuz I’m the one who clipped them and saved them. Most times if the uniform was unique and there was no date on the clipping, I’d write the year on it somewhere. I’ll dig through my files over the weekend and see what I can find. I have an SI midseason photo of Ken Holtzman pitching all kelly, too. From the A’s Bando-Rudi world series era. And it’s just as ugly as the Orioles orange. Maybe uglier.

  • Thorold Blair | April 25, 2008 at 10:33 am |

    [quote comment=”256082″][quote comment=”256076″][quote comment=”256069″]how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

    http://en.wikipedia....
    Or this (put on your thinking caps, kiddies)[/quote]
    Dont get it?[/quote]

    Generally, thinks aren’t that funny when you have to think about them.. or direct someone to think about it. I didn’t get it either.

  • Jet | April 25, 2008 at 10:35 am |

    Paul, fascinating “One and Done” story, man I just love that stuff, especially the investigative work with the pumpkin jerseys.

    Those Colts logos are lame. Maybe take just the head from #1 or #5. Ugghhhh

  • Ricko | April 25, 2008 at 10:37 am |

    Something else. I believe we can now (or soon will be able to) search online every back issue of SI. If that’s possible, look for an issue with a composite photo cover of several Dodgers, including Maury Wills. I’m guessing mid to late 1971. I think that’s where you’ll find an all-orange Orioles photo…or maybe the sleeveless vest. Just remember reading it in a doctor’s waiting room and thinking I needed to pick up a copy. (Don’t ask, I have strange mind and a sometimes remarkable memory, LOL.)

  • Robert | April 25, 2008 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment=”256050″]Had the Orioles actually worn the orange design in ’72 as well as ’71? Maybe they just wore them at the tail end of spring training? Maybe Steve didn’t date the photos correctly?

    “Hello?”
    “Mr. Palmer?”
    “Yes.”
    “Hi, I’m Paul Lukas from ESPN, and I have a question for you…”[/quote]

    Very funny. Today’s subject is fantastic. It is mysteries like this, which are pointless and silly to the millions who don’t Get It, that make the site so enjoyable. Kudos to the Founder.

  • Kevin M. | April 25, 2008 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment=”256077″][quote comment=”256067″][quote comment=\”256066\”]With Draft Day only 30 hours away, I see that our friends at the NFL have this year\’s Draft Day hats for sale. Is it just me, or do these things get http://nfl.imageg.ne... every year?[/quote]
    Sorry – my linking messed up message…
    should have read \”…do these things get uglier every year?\”[/quote]

    What’s really ugly is that the NFL is still using that stupid and useless “NFL EQUIPMENT” logo….[/quote]

    Saw some of these in the mall the other day. First thing I checked was to see if the new NFL logo was on the back and it was, however on the inside sweat bad is still the OLD NFL logo. Guess they couldn’t afford to update it in two places. And those Chargers hats are sharp in person, that baby blue really pops.

  • Jim W | April 25, 2008 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment=”256055″][quote comment=”256041″]

    Also, the Winnipeg White-Out did not “move” to Phoenix. If the Coyotes can’t honour any of the Winnipeg traditions, they don’t deserve the White-Out.

    But yes, the White-Out started in response to Calgary’s Sea of Red. The Jets won the series against Calgary 3-1 in 1985 (they only played best-of-5 series in the first round).[/quote]

    Good comments Teebz – I participated in a lot of the Winnipeg Whiteouts and they were simply amazing (no white tshirts waiting for you on the seats, we brought our own). You are correct about the Calgary “Sea of Red” – they definitely got things going. The Whiteout, to me, was a step up – the old Winnipeg Arena really brought out the fans dressed in white. I miss those days!

  • orlandor | April 25, 2008 at 10:43 am |

    Nice article here about the U of A switching from Worth bats to Nike.

  • Paul Lukas | April 25, 2008 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment=”256084″]I have two four-drawer lateral files full of MLB, NFL and college football clippings dating back to the 50s. I know cuz I’m the one who clipped them and saved them. Most times if the uniform was unique and there was no date on the clipping, I’d write the year on it somewhere. I’ll dig through my files over the weekend and see what I can find. I have an SI midseason photo of Ken Holtzman pitching all kelly, too. From the A’s Bando-Rudi world series era. And it’s just as ugly as the Orioles orange. Maybe uglier.[/quote]

    Now THAT’S the kind of reader we need more of! Dude, why haven’t you been in touch before now? I have a feeling we’re gonna have a LOT to talk about.

    [quote comment=”256087″]Something else. I believe we can now (or soon will be able to) search online every back issue of SI.[/quote]

    My early experiences with the SI Vault have been, for the most part, unsatisfactory. Lots of error messages, lots of fruitless searches for things I know are there, etc. I think they’re still working out the kinks.

  • John T | April 25, 2008 at 10:45 am |

    New Chelsea kit today, very bland if you ask me….
    The keepers shirt is just plain wrong
    Current kit

  • derek | April 25, 2008 at 10:45 am |

    [quote comment=”256087″]Something else. I believe we can now (or soon will be able to) search online every back issue of SI. If that’s possible, look for an issue with a composite photo cover of several Dodgers, including Maury Wills. I’m guessing mid to late 1971. I think that’s where you’ll find an all-orange Orioles photo…or maybe the sleeveless vest. Just remember reading it in a doctor’s waiting room and thinking I needed to pick up a copy. (Don’t ask, I have strange mind and a sometimes remarkable memory, LOL.)[/quote]

    Yeah you can do that, just go to si.com and click on si vault

  • Joey Guns | April 25, 2008 at 10:48 am |

    Two little kids are suing each other over a David Beckham jersey that he threw into the crowd to one of them:

    http://www.honolulua...

  • lwiedy | April 25, 2008 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment=”256083″]Beckham jersey casues fight between kids.

    2 Hawaiian boys and families go to court over game-used jersey.[/quote]

    Only one man can settle this dispute.

  • Steven | April 25, 2008 at 10:51 am |

    The get-the-crowd-to-wear-one-color thing has been done for playoff games in so many cities. I know the Caps did white-outs back in the 80s, and Rock the Red this year.

    The Pens are having a white out? Um, don’t they wear black at home now?

    The funniest was a few years ago, when the Toronto Raptors did a red out with a playoff series again the Nets. The only problem was the Nets wore their alt-red jerseys. The entire crowd was wearing the colors of the team they were rooting against! The photo was hilarious!

  • chance | April 25, 2008 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”256094″]New Chelsea kit today, very bland if you ask me….
    The keepers shirt is just plain wrong
    Current kit[/quote]

    A huge improvement over the current messes. Adidas has finally upgraded their templates.

  • Juan Grande | April 25, 2008 at 10:54 am |

    [quote comment=”256079″]Check out the Logo bonanza on the Madden NFL 09[/quote]

    Does this mean Farve will suffer a retirement-ending injury?

  • lwiedy | April 25, 2008 at 10:57 am |

    Would any team dare to do this today?

  • Kris Fulton | April 25, 2008 at 11:00 am |

    [quote comment=”256099″]The get-the-crowd-to-wear-one-color thing has been done for playoff games in so many cities. I know the Caps did white-outs back in the 80s, and Rock the Red this year.

    The Pens are having a white out? Um, don’t they wear black at home now?

    The funniest was a few years ago, when the Toronto Raptors did a red out with a playoff series again the Nets. The only problem was the Nets wore their alt-red jerseys. The entire crowd was wearing the colors of the team they were rooting against! The photo was hilarious![/quote]

    Here’s a photo. The Nets look right at home matching the red Air Canada logo, Canadian flag, Tim Hortons ads…

  • John T | April 25, 2008 at 11:03 am |

    [quote comment=”256100″][quote comment=”256094″]New Chelsea kit today, very bland if you ask me….
    The keepers shirt is just plain wrong
    Current kit[/quote]

    A huge improvement over the current messes. Adidas has finally upgraded their templates.[/quote]

    Agreed, no piping and a real collar, but I just do not like the fact that the adidas is easier to see/read than the badge.

  • Mike Edgerly | April 25, 2008 at 11:04 am |

    The regular kit is just OK, but I can\’t imagine Petr Cech in that awful keeper\’s kit.

  • ESS | April 25, 2008 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=”256055″][quote comment=”256041″]Maybe a bit obscure, but does anyone have any idea what was written on the inside back of Marty Biron’s mask/helmet last night during the Flyers/Habs game? It was on the right side, I believe, of one the “fins” that come back around his head where the actual back of the helmet/mask sits.

    I caught it a couple of times but I am a Luddite when it comes to screen grabs….[/quote]

    “Oscar” and “Emmy”. He has been asked several times what they mean, but he never tells anyone.

    [/quote]

    Thanks Teebz, but I know. I’m not talking about the actual backplate of the helmet, but the inside right of the part that wraps around the and comes past the backplate. It appeared that there was something written in black ink on the inside of the right “fin” for lack of a better term. A search on viewimages.com (which won’t let me link for some reason) for “Biron Mask” shows (in image 7 of 15) some of the writing, but far less than in last night’s game.

  • Brendan | April 25, 2008 at 11:08 am |

    Condoleezza Rice also got a jersey from the Blackburn Rovers. Photo gallery here.

  • Joey Guns | April 25, 2008 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment=”256083″]Beckham jersey casues fight between kids.

    2 Hawaiian boys and families go to court over game-used jersey.[/quote]

    Oops, my bad. I didn’t refresh my screen before I posted, so you beat me…..

  • Frank Mercogliano | April 25, 2008 at 11:10 am |

    Yes, it was Utah State, not Utah…we all thought that kitty litter would have been cheaper, but some parents went and cleaned out Wal-Mart with that purchase.

    The amazing thing is it did work, as it dried the field out, but it snowed for about two full innings, soaking the field again. We got just the one game in, and Utah State won 5-3. It was pretty funny.

    Frank

  • Matt D. | April 25, 2008 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment=”256046″]Couple things: those all-orange things are the worst uniforms I have ever seen in my life. Palmer looks like a tall tangerine.[/quote]
    It got a little (VERY little) better when they went to just the orange pullover top. That uniform only gave you a headache, while Brooks’ abomination made your retinas want to jump out of your head.

  • Ian K | April 25, 2008 at 11:13 am |

    The Dallas Stars did a “black-out” for their home games in Round 1. However, from the reports I heard, it made the arena look empty rather than a look of unification. Philly Bill, did you attend either game?

  • LI Phil | April 25, 2008 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment=”256106″][quote comment=”256055″][quote comment=”256041″]Maybe a bit obscure, but does anyone have any idea what was written on the inside back of Marty Biron’s mask/helmet last night during the Flyers/Habs game? It was on the right side, I believe, of one the “fins” that come back around his head where the actual back of the helmet/mask sits.

    I caught it a couple of times but I am a Luddite when it comes to screen grabs….[/quote]

    “Oscar” and “Emmy”. He has been asked several times what they mean, but he never tells anyone.

    [/quote]

    Thanks Teebz, but I know. I’m not talking about the actual backplate of the helmet, but the inside right of the part that wraps around the and comes past the backplate. It appeared that there was something written in black ink on the inside of the right “fin” for lack of a better term. A search on viewimages.com (which won’t let me link for some reason) for “Biron Mask” shows (in image 7 of 15) some of the writing, but far less than in last night’s game.[/quote]

    do either of these help?

  • Vincent | April 25, 2008 at 11:20 am |

    Well, at least the C of Red from Calgary is genuine, not some “let give t-shirts to everyone” thing like in Philly or in the NBA. Most people in Calgary are wearing red sweaters/jerseys

  • Lee | April 25, 2008 at 11:21 am |

    Another point about the Brooks Robinson orange uniform picture,if you look closely you will notice that Brooks does not have a full bill on his helmet.I seem to remember this from when I collected baseball cards. If you look at baseball cards of him from that era you will notice that his bill is much shorter than normal.Just a thought, Thanks

  • LI Phil | April 25, 2008 at 11:22 am |

    [quote comment=”256112″][quote comment=”256106″][quote comment=”256055″][quote comment=”256041″]Maybe a bit obscure, but does anyone have any idea what was written on the inside back of Marty Biron’s mask/helmet last night during the Flyers/Habs game? It was on the right side, I believe, of one the “fins” that come back around his head where the actual back of the helmet/mask sits.

    I caught it a couple of times but I am a Luddite when it comes to screen grabs….[/quote]

    “Oscar” and “Emmy”. He has been asked several times what they mean, but he never tells anyone.

    [/quote]

    Thanks Teebz, but I know. I’m not talking about the actual backplate of the helmet, but the inside right of the part that wraps around the and comes past the backplate. It appeared that there was something written in black ink on the inside of the right “fin” for lack of a better term. A search on viewimages.com (which won’t let me link for some reason) for “Biron Mask” shows (in image 7 of 15) some of the writing, but far less than in last night’s game.[/quote]

    do either of these help?[/quote]

    im an idiot…i just realized those photos are prolly out of date…

    but here

    maybe something in this gallery will help

  • The Ol Goaler | April 25, 2008 at 11:22 am |

    Couldn’t get any screen grabs, but both Brendan Ryan and Brian Barton (click on gallery) were rockin’ real low-cut Cardinals’ stirrups last night against the Pirates. Sadly, UniWatch favorite Nyjer Morgan didn’t get in the game…

  • John T | April 25, 2008 at 11:25 am |

    [quote comment=\”256105\”]The regular kit is just OK, but I can\\\’t imagine Petr Cech in that awful keeper\\\’s kit.[/quote]

    but will his headgear match?

  • Duckstyle | April 25, 2008 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”256104″][quote comment=”256100″][quote comment=”256094″]New Chelsea kit today, very bland if you ask me….
    The keepers shirt is just plain wrong
    Current kit[/quote]

    A huge improvement over the current messes. Adidas has finally upgraded their templates.[/quote]

    Agreed, no piping and a real collar, but I just do not like the fact that the adidas is easier to see/read than the badge.[/quote]

    I really like that new jersey, but I agree the Adidas logo is way to big. I come from the group that thinks branding is ok, but only one brand per uniform please, and the stripes cover that. Noone would confuse that jersey with some other supplier if that huge logo was lost. Always loved a coller on a soccer jersey, adds a bit of class. And I wouldn’t worry about that orange keeper jersey, GK’s always seem to find a way to wear whatever color they want, assuming it doesn’t match the opposition of course.

  • ESS | April 25, 2008 at 11:33 am |

    [quote comment=”256116″][quote comment=”256112″][quote comment=”256106″][quote comment=”256055″][quote comment=”256041″]Maybe a bit obscure, but does anyone have any idea what was written on the inside back of Marty Biron’s mask/helmet last night during the Flyers/Habs game? It was on the right side, I believe, of one the “fins” that come back around his head where the actual back of the helmet/mask sits.

    I caught it a couple of times but I am a Luddite when it comes to screen grabs….[/quote]

    “Oscar” and “Emmy”. He has been asked several times what they mean, but he never tells anyone.

    [/quote]

    Thanks Teebz, but that one I know. I’m not talking about the actual backplate of the helmet, but the inside right of the part that wraps around and comes past the backplate. It appeared that there was something written in black ink on the inside of the right “fin” for lack of a better term. A search on viewimages.com (which won’t let me link for some reason) for “Biron Mask” shows (in image 7 of 15) some of the writing, but far less than in last night’s game.[/quote]

    do either of these help?[/quote]

    im an idiot…i just realized those photos are prolly out of date…

    but here

    maybe something in this gallery will help[/quote]

    Thanks Phil, but I already wasted most of my morning (it is friday after all) checking that whole Yahoo gallery. The closest is the ViewImage picture. I cannot get it to link though. Every time I try it through the preview of my comment it takes me to their front page and then to some celebrity gossip site…

    I’m more curious now since it seems like there was a heck of a lot more ink last night where there was just a little in that one picture.

  • Troy | April 25, 2008 at 11:33 am |

    Just a little more info on the Orioles Orange uni. Did a quick search on a great site: http://www.paperofre... (it’s free to register and they have the complete archive of the Sporting News papers).

    Here’s a quote from a column by Bob Addie in the May 13, 1972 issue of The Sporting News regarding the number of new fans the Orioles had for the ’72 season:

    “Have you had a load of the Orioles in their new Orange uniforms? The Orioles actually had those uniforms ready for last years playoffs and world series, but never wore them.”

    It’s not definitive, but it leads one to believe that they wore them in ’72. I’m sure if someone spent more time searching these archives you could find something better. I did a simple search for “Orioles Orange” starting April 1, 1972.

  • John T | April 25, 2008 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”256118″][quote comment=\”256105\”]The regular kit is just OK, but I can\\\’t imagine Petr Cech in that awful keeper\\\’s kit.[/quote]

    but will his headgear match?[/quote]

    forgot link

  • Ronnie Poore | April 25, 2008 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment=”256085″][quote comment=”256082″][quote comment=”256076″][quote comment=”256069″]how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

    http://en.wikipedia....
    Or this (put on your thinking caps, kiddies)[/quote]
    Dont get it?[/quote]

    Generally, thinks aren’t that funny when you have to think about them.. or direct someone to think about it. I didn’t get it either.[/quote]

    OK fellas, i’ll ‘splain ’em for you:

    The Elmer’s logo refers to the glue factory, as in that’s where old broken-down horses are sent to be made in to a sticky substance for the afterlife.

    and Dallas Crown is a company that provides horse meat to zoos for the carnivores to eat.

  • steve | April 25, 2008 at 11:44 am |

    [quote comment=”256076″][quote comment=”256069″]how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

    http://en.wikipedia....
    Or this (put on your thinking caps, kiddies)[/quote]

    Peyton Manning high steps like the horse in his snap count.

  • chance | April 25, 2008 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment=”256123″][quote comment=”256085″][quote comment=”256082″][quote comment=”256076″][quote comment=”256069″]how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

    http://en.wikipedia....
    Or this (put on your thinking caps, kiddies)[/quote]
    Dont get it?[/quote]

    Generally, thinks aren’t that funny when you have to think about them.. or direct someone to think about it. I didn’t get it either.[/quote]

    OK fellas, i’ll ‘splain ’em for you:

    The Elmer’s logo refers to the glue factory, as in that’s where old broken-down horses are sent to be made in to a sticky substance for the afterlife.

    and Dallas Crown is a company that provides horse meat to zoos for the carnivores to eat.[/quote]
    Proving once and for all that if you have to explain it, it’s not funny.

  • John T | April 25, 2008 at 11:46 am |

    [quote comment=”256119″][quote comment=”256104″][quote comment=”256100″][quote comment=”256094″]New Chelsea kit today, very bland if you ask me….
    The keepers shirt is just plain wrong
    Current kit[/quote]

    A huge improvement over the current messes. Adidas has finally upgraded their templates.[/quote]

    Agreed, no piping and a real collar, but I just do not like the fact that the adidas is easier to see/read than the badge.[/quote]

    I really like that new jersey, but I agree the Adidas logo is way to big. I come from the group that thinks branding is ok, but only one brand per uniform please, and the stripes cover that. Noone would confuse that jersey with some other supplier if that huge logo was lost. Always loved a coller on a soccer jersey, adds a bit of class. And I wouldn’t worry about that orange keeper jersey, GK’s always seem to find a way to wear whatever color they want, assuming it doesn’t match the opposition of course.[/quote]

    As long as the badge on the right arm stays where it is after saturday! Chelsea does not need that colour on those kits!

  • Kerry P | April 25, 2008 at 11:46 am |

    I know for a fact that THESE shirts were from a giveaway. They read “Fan Up New Orleans” which is the team’s battle cry if-you-will. My only surprise is that so many other teams are going the route of white shirts. I guess that they’re probably the cheapest to produce and purchase for a free giveaway.

  • Paul Lukas | April 25, 2008 at 11:47 am |

    [quote comment=”256121″]Just a little more info on the Orioles Orange uni. Did a quick search on a great site: http://www.paperofre... (it’s free to register and they have the complete archive of the Sporting News papers).

    Here’s a quote from a column by Bob Addie in the May 13, 1972 issue of The Sporting News regarding the number of new fans the Orioles had for the ’72 season:

    “Have you had a load of the Orioles in their new Orange uniforms? The Orioles actually had those uniforms ready for last years playoffs and world series, but never wore them.”

    It’s not definitive, but it leads one to believe that they wore them in ’72. I’m sure if someone spent more time searching these archives you could find something better. I did a simple search for “Orioles Orange” starting April 1, 1972.[/quote]

    Nicely done, Troy. When you factor in the lead time on magazine cover dates (i.e., the May 13th issue of Sporting News probably hit newsstands on May 6th or 7th), that lends credence to the notion that the O’s wore the orange uniforms in Cleveland in late April. Great work!

  • War Damn Eagle | April 25, 2008 at 11:58 am |

    I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

  • LI Phil | April 25, 2008 at 12:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”256129″]I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

    agreed…there is no argument here

  • ScottyJ in WV | April 25, 2008 at 12:01 pm |

    Love Steve Dewing’s site! It’s not a good idea to look at it during work, ’cause you’ll get nothing done.

    While looking at the photos for today’s topic, I scrolled down the front page and found this very cool photo of Joe Charboneau. He’s holding a sweet, undrilled Columbia Yellow Dot that I’d LOVE to have!

    Got to see him in Charleston playing for the Charlies when he was on his way down. He was quite the character.

  • ScottyJ in WV | April 25, 2008 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”256129″]I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

    I almost completely agree.

    Instead of “Mets” on the jersey, it should be “New York”. I’ve always felt that your city name should be on the road uni.

  • DrBear | April 25, 2008 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment=\”256064\”]Bill Henderson\’s collection is nothing short of amazing, but he doesn\’t always draw the correct conclusions from it, and therefore leaves a lot to be desired as an authoritative source.

    I don\’t know how much he\’s fixed this in recent updates, but when I bought his guide he hadn\’t taken into account that teams re-issued jerseys, and therefore that the year on the tag might well not reflect the actual year of the design.

    This page on the Brewers\’ early flannels shows the problem. He\’s dating the jerseys based on the year listed on the tags, which makes his timeline all muddy. The narrow sleeve and neck piping was not introduced in 1970, it was added in 1971 to jerseys that had been worn in 1970.

    I don\’t know if he\’s fixed this in subsequent updates – I sent him an email at the time but never heard back. It\’s a shame, because I want his work to be the most authentic reference possible.[/quote]

    He\’s also got the road jerseys backwards – the BReWeRS style was on the old Seattle unis in 1970, but the straight BREWERS was in 1971.

    (Actually, I always thought the BReWeRS style might have caught on if it had been used on the home unis.)
    In addition, there\’s a clear difference – the multi-stripe sleeves were on the 70 jerseys; the narrow ones in 71 also were the first to have a number on the front. Nobody had a number on the front in 70.

  • Robert | April 25, 2008 at 12:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”256093″][quote comment=”256084″]I have two four-drawer lateral files full of MLB, NFL and college football clippings dating back to the 50s. I know cuz I’m the one who clipped them and saved them. Most times if the uniform was unique and there was no date on the clipping, I’d write the year on it somewhere. I’ll dig through my files over the weekend and see what I can find. I have an SI midseason photo of Ken Holtzman pitching all kelly, too. From the A’s Bando-Rudi world series era. And it’s just as ugly as the Orioles orange. Maybe uglier.[/quote]

    Now THAT’S the kind of reader we need more of! Dude, why haven’t you been in touch before now? I have a feeling we’re gonna have a LOT to talk about.

    [/quote]

    Talk? Hell, the Founder should spend a couple days/weeks at this guy’s house, both interviewing him and sifting through his lateral files.

  • Cowboy | April 25, 2008 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment=\”256129\”]I\’m no Mets fan. Heck, I\’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets\’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

    Heck, that’s what a PITCHER should look like … period.

  • Paul Lukas | April 25, 2008 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”256130″][quote comment=”256129″]I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

    agreed…there is no argument here[/quote]

    Seriously? I vastly prefer the “New York” lettering (but reeeeeaaaallly want them to ditch the black drop shadow). Can’t stand teams that use the same insignia on their home and road unis.

  • Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland | April 25, 2008 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”256085″][quote comment=”256082″][quote comment=”256076″][quote comment=”256069″]how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

    http://en.wikipedia....
    Or this (put on your thinking caps, kiddies)[/quote]
    Dont get it?[/quote]

    Generally, thinks aren’t that funny when you have to think about them.. or direct someone to think about it. I didn’t get it either.[/quote]
    Dallas Crown processes horse meat under the moniker “Carnivore Diet” for zoos and wildlife centers across the United States

  • lwiedy | April 25, 2008 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”256121″]Just a little more info on the Orioles Orange uni. Did a quick search on a great site: http://www.paperofre... (it’s free to register and they have the complete archive of the Sporting News papers).

    Here’s a quote from a column by Bob Addie in the May 13, 1972 issue of The Sporting News regarding the number of new fans the Orioles had for the ’72 season:

    “Have you had a load of the Orioles in their new Orange uniforms? The Orioles actually had those uniforms ready for last years playoffs and world series, but never wore them.”

    It’s not definitive, but it leads one to believe that they wore them in ’72. I’m sure if someone spent more time searching these archives you could find something better. I did a simple search for “Orioles Orange” starting April 1, 1972.[/quote]

    I just signed up and searched my first topic. Another dream come true (archived TSN, actual scanned pages and photos)! Now for Tuesday Weld and the H-bomb.

  • Wollen1 | April 25, 2008 at 12:18 pm |

    I can see the Georgia Frontiere patch right now… a gin and tonic, a blonde wig, and a pack of Camel Light 100’s with the caption ‘Did We Win?’

    Might I suggest the horse from The Godfather as the Colts secondary logo?

  • chance | April 25, 2008 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”256132″][quote comment=”256129″]I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

    I almost completely agree.

    Instead of “Mets” on the jersey, it should be “New York”. I’ve always felt that your city name should be on the road uni.[/quote]

    Agreed.

    This is what the Mets’ road uniforms should look like.

  • chance | April 25, 2008 at 12:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”256140″][quote comment=”256132″][quote comment=”256129″]I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

    I almost completely agree.

    Instead of “Mets” on the jersey, it should be “New York”. I’ve always felt that your city name should be on the road uni.[/quote]

    Agreed.

    This is what the Mets’ road uniforms should look like.[/quote]

    And don’t forget the stirrups.

  • Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland | April 25, 2008 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”256137″][quote comment=”256085″][quote comment=”256082″][quote comment=”256076″][quote comment=”256069″]how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

    http://en.wikipedia....
    Or this (put on your thinking caps, kiddies)[/quote]
    Dont get it?[/quote]

    Generally, thinks aren’t that funny when you have to think about them.. or direct someone to think about it. I didn’t get it either.[/quote]
    Dallas Crown processes horse meat under the moniker “Carnivore Diet” for zoos and wildlife centers across the United States[/quote]
    Apologies to Ronnie in post #75 – didn’t see that you had already educated the masses on this subject.
    Aside to Chance – there are those among us who will laugh at something three times – once when it is told to them, secondly when it is explained to them, and thirdly when they get it. I work with too many of them.

  • Cowboy | April 25, 2008 at 12:23 pm |

    And regarding the veracity of SI pics … I remember not too long ago a discussion on this board of a Steelers-Raiders game that involved a pic from the SI website. In it, the Steelers were wearing white, I believe, and the Raiders were wearing black. Oakland – home, Pittsburgh – visitors, right? but the picture caption said that the play photographed occurred during a game at Pittsburgh’s Three-Rivers Stadium. A similar snafu was discovered involving a Cowboys-Redskins game. (I may not have the details right in my faulty memory. If not, I’m sorry.)

    But all of that is to build up to the conjecture that SI may sometimes mislabel their photos, or that an artistic editor may choose a picture from stock photos that may not accurately represent the sporting event reported, and that sometimes SI may get it wrong.

  • Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland | April 25, 2008 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”256141″][quote comment=”256140″][quote comment=”256132″][quote comment=”256129″]I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

    I almost completely agree.

    Instead of “Mets” on the jersey, it should be “New York”. I’ve always felt that your city name should be on the road uni.[/quote]

    Agreed.

    This is what the Mets’ road uniforms should look like.[/quote]

    And don’t forget the stirrups.[/quote]
    AMEN!

  • War Damn Eagle | April 25, 2008 at 12:25 pm |

    I see your point about having the “New York” lettering on the road uni, but I preferred the 1987 version of “New York,” which matched the typeface of the “Mets” lettering.

    http://exhibits.base...

    I thinks that’s more authentic to the Mets brand than either the block letter version from 1988-92, or the underlined cursive version of 1993-94.

    http://exhibits.base...

    http://exhibits.base...

  • War Damn Eagle | April 25, 2008 at 12:28 pm |

    And I think the current “New York” is too similar to Boston’s typeface, even though it dates back to the start of the franchise.

  • Duckstyle | April 25, 2008 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”256141″][quote comment=”256140″][quote comment=”256132″][quote comment=”256129″]I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

    I almost completely agree.

    Instead of “Mets” on the jersey, it should be “New York”. I’ve always felt that your city name should be on the road uni.[/quote]

    Agreed.

    This is what the Mets’ road uniforms should look like.[/quote]

    And don’t forget the stirrups.[/quote]

    Word. It should be manditory that the road jersey for every team have the city/state name, and save the team name for the home whites.

    It anyone’s been paying attention, the White Sox finally broke out the white home jersey, and what happened? They won, end of story. More to story, I’ve grown tired of that damn black jersey, I used to like it but someone on the team must be in love with it because they wear it more often than not recently and thats annoying. But even more annoying is my fiancee saying that the black jersey with high pants looks more “basebally”, the terroists have won, people.

  • Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland | April 25, 2008 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=\”256145\”]I see your point about having the \”New York\” lettering on the road uni, but I preferred the 1987 version of \”New York,\” which matched the typeface of the \”Mets\” lettering.

    http://exhibits.base...

    I thinks that\’s more authentic to the Mets brand than either the block letter version from 1988-92, or the underlined cursive version of 1993-94.

    http://exhibits.base...

    http://exhibits.base...
    UGH! Those 1993-1994 jerseys with the \”banner\” underneath were an abomination. Coupled with bad memories of Bobby Bo and Jeff Torborg wearing them.

  • Patrick | April 25, 2008 at 12:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”256144″][quote comment=”256141″][quote comment=”256140″][quote comment=”256132″][quote comment=”256129″]I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

    I almost completely agree.

    Instead of “Mets” on the jersey, it should be “New York”. I’ve always felt that your city name should be on the road uni.[/quote]

    Agreed.

    This is what the Mets’ road uniforms should look like.[/quote]

    And don’t forget the stirrups.[/quote]
    AMEN![/quote]

    Absolutely one of the best looking baseball uniforms of all time!

  • TJ | April 25, 2008 at 12:33 pm |

    Cheerleader uniforms are getting scrutinized in the cricket world.

  • Joey Guns | April 25, 2008 at 12:35 pm |

    Wow, a never before seen clip of Michael Jordan shattering a backboard!

    http://www.youtube.c...

    Summer of 1986 in Italy….

  • Roger Faso | April 25, 2008 at 12:38 pm |

    Frankly, I’m a little stumped. I feel bad about not providing that little extra bonus that so many of you signed up for, but I don’t see a good way to provide it unless you order a new card — and really, I don’t want you to order a new card unless you really want one. If there’s a good solution we’re overlooking, feel free to let me know.

    Have you thought about a little sticker? kinda like a memorial patch for the Membership Cards?

  • Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland | April 25, 2008 at 12:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”256150″]Cheerleader uniforms are getting scrutinized in the cricket world.[/quote]
    Interesting….first image I found when Googling Bollywood was this….
    Mr. Kettle, meet Mr. Pot…..
    Any glass houses over in Mumbai?
    (too subtle for the room?) ;-)

  • Cowboy | April 25, 2008 at 12:49 pm |

    … and I am convinced that Casey Stengel has possessed Larry Bowa …

  • ClueHaywood | April 25, 2008 at 12:49 pm |

    About the O’s orange uniforms…I’m sure this has already been put to bed, but that second shot is Cleveland for sure. The giveaway of course is the two-tone yellow and red seats in the shot. What can be tricky is that most people remember Municipal Stadium with blue padded walls in its latter years. But in the early 70’s, including ’71-’72, Cleveland had green padded walls…Love the site and keep up the good work.

  • Chris Sk | April 25, 2008 at 12:49 pm |

    I emailed this to Paul a little earlier and he told me to post it as a comment

    My father-in-law’s friend, Dave Leonhard, was a relief pitcher for the Orioles in the late 60s and early 70s so I called and asked him about the orange uniforms. He said he only remembers wearing them a “couple of times” and only during one season. He answered pretty quickly and seemed pretty sure. He also said they stopped wearing them because people told him they looked like popcicles. Here is his baseball-refernce page .

  • LI Phil | April 25, 2008 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”256144″][quote comment=”256141″][quote comment=”256140″][quote comment=”256132″][quote comment=”256129″]I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

    I almost completely agree.

    Instead of “Mets” on the jersey, it should be “New York”. I’ve always felt that your city name should be on the road uni.[/quote]

    Agreed.

    This is what the Mets’ road uniforms should look like.[/quote]

    And don’t forget the stirrups.[/quote]
    AMEN![/quote]

    after careful consideration, i will modify my “agreed” to go with the “New York” in the current font, (but of course, sans any drop shadow)…only because of tradition…i do think the city name IS important, but is slighly anachronistic…

    a) you pretty much KNOW where a team is from without the city name;

    b) city names on jerseys predate ‘official’ nicknames, so when the national league club from beantown came to your city, you only knew they were from “BOSTON” (since they might not have officially been known as the “rustlers” “doves” “beaneaters” or even “red stockings” before “braves”);

    c) once official names became the norm, the city name was no longer necessary (although, from a style standpoint, i have no problem with it)

    just so long as some day the mets return to that uni-style, “NEW YORK” or “Mets” is A-OK with me

  • Philly Bill | April 25, 2008 at 12:55 pm |

    No clue what’s on the inside shell of Biron’s mask. Will look closely during game 2.

    [quote comment=”256111″]The Dallas Stars did a “black-out” for their home games in Round 1. However, from the reports I heard, it made the arena look empty rather than a look of unification. Philly Bill, did you attend either game?[/quote]

    Was at all three home games; they gave out black t-shirts at the first. The “blackout” was totally pointless, since so many people wear black as a matter of course (as opposed to, say, red). It had no striking visual effect whatsoever. It just looked like a large gathering of white Manhattanites.

    Have now made two posts since L’Affaire Spambot and had the same anti-spam word both times: “sea,” as in Calgary’s Sea of Red.

  • Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland | April 25, 2008 at 1:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”256158″]No clue what’s on the inside shell of Biron’s mask. Will look closely during game 2.

    [quote comment=”256111″]The Dallas Stars did a “black-out” for their home games in Round 1. However, from the reports I heard, it made the arena look empty rather than a look of unification. Philly Bill, did you attend either game?[/quote]

    Was at all three home games; they gave out black t-shirts at the first. The “blackout” was totally pointless, since so many people wear black as a matter of course (as opposed to, say, red). It had no striking visual effect whatsoever. It just looked like a large gathering of white Manhattanites. [/quote] Good one

    [/quote] Have now made two posts since L’Affaire Spambot and had the same anti-spam word both times: “sea,” as in Calgary’s Sea of Red.[/quote]

    I keep getting “trout” …. something fishy, methinks
    Oh, wait………

  • ScottyJ in WV | April 25, 2008 at 1:03 pm |

    Absolutely one of the best looking baseball uniforms of all time!

    Yup, that’s pretty sharp!

  • Al | April 25, 2008 at 1:09 pm |

    Jennie Finch is still sofa king hot.

  • James Craven | April 25, 2008 at 1:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”256139“]“I can see the Georgia Frontiere patch right now… a gin and tonic, a blonde wig, and a pack of Camel Light 100’s with the caption ‘Did We Win?’

    “Might I suggest the horse from The Godfather as the Colts secondary logo?”[/quote]

    And you, sir, have the early lead for “Post of the Day” and a win of the interwebs. Extremely well played!

  • Al | April 25, 2008 at 1:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”256148″][quote comment=\”256145\”]I see your point about having the \”New York\” lettering on the road uni, but I preferred the 1987 version of \”New York,\” which matched the typeface of the \”Mets\” lettering.

    http://exhibits.base...

    I thinks that\’s more authentic to the Mets brand than either the block letter version from 1988-92, or the underlined cursive version of 1993-94.

    http://exhibits.base...

    http://exhibits.base...
    UGH! Those 1993-1994 jerseys with the \”banner\” underneath were an abomination. Coupled with bad memories of Bobby Bo and Jeff Torborg wearing them.[/quote]

    Ah, but they fetch high prices on eBay because you can’t find them anywhere.

  • James Craven | April 25, 2008 at 1:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”256139″]“I can see the Georgia Frontiere patch right now… a gin and tonic, a blonde wig, and a pack of Camel Light 100’s with the caption ‘Did We Win?’

    “Might I suggest the horse from The Godfather as the Colts secondary logo?”[/quote]

    And you, sir, have the early lead for “Post of the Day” and a win of the interwebs. Extremely well played![/quote]

  • Jason | April 25, 2008 at 1:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”256132″][quote comment=”256129″]I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

    I almost completely agree.

    Instead of “Mets” on the jersey, it should be “New York”. I’ve always felt that your city name should be on the road uni.[/quote]

    Agree! I would love to see them try to fit the “official” team name for the Angels on a Jersey!

  • Al | April 25, 2008 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”256111″]The Dallas Stars did a “black-out” for their home games in Round 1. However, from the reports I heard, it made the arena look empty rather than a look of unification. Philly Bill, did you attend either game?[/quote]

    DC United always does a “blackout” for playoffs. The year they last went to MLS Cup and won it, they had a blackout party where even the paella (a saffron rice dish native to Spain) was black — lots of fragrant squid ink. Needless to say, it did a lot for my, er, digestion.

  • Al | April 25, 2008 at 1:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”256119″][quote comment=”256104″][quote comment=”256100″][quote comment=”256094″]New Chelsea kit today, very bland if you ask me….
    The keepers shirt is just plain wrong
    Current kit[/quote]

    A huge improvement over the current messes. Adidas has finally upgraded their templates.[/quote]

    Agreed, no piping and a real collar, but I just do not like the fact that the adidas is easier to see/read than the badge.[/quote]

    I really like that new jersey, but I agree the Adidas logo is way too big.[/quote]

    Every single EPL logo this year had an upgrade in size; even Umbro.

  • Ricko | April 25, 2008 at 1:18 pm |

    About Mets uniforms: I have a clipping from TSN 1961 “season preview” issue that reproduces exactly the written descriptions of every team’s home and road uniforms (taken the the Red and Green books, I surmised at the time). As described there, the Mets home uniforms at one time apparently were going to be plain white with orange piping on jersey and pants (ala the royal piping on the road) with royal script “Mets” across the chest. Somewhere between publication of those guides, that issue of TSN, and the first Mets game ever, they switched to royal pin stripes for home unis.

  • James Craven | April 25, 2008 at 1:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”256059″][quote comment=”256055″]“Also, the Winnipeg White-Out did not ‘move’ to Phoenix. If the Coyotes can’t honour any of the Winnipeg traditions, they don’t deserve the White-Out.”[/quote]

    “Well, they did play a preseason game in Winnipeg this year – but didn’t wear Jets throwbacks. How do you miss that opportunity?”[/quote]

    Maybe because someone came up with the idea to salute the Coyotes ownership by having the section across from their bench dressed as a salute to “We’re Number One”, except that they decided to use the middle finger in white on a red and blue background?

  • chance | April 25, 2008 at 1:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”256165″][quote comment=”256132″]
    Instead of “Mets” on the jersey, it should be “New York”. I’ve always felt that your city name should be on the road uni.[/quote]

    Agree! I would love to see them try to fit the “official” team name for the Angels on a Jersey![/quote]

    Would you settle for their real name? :P

  • Yankee Rhoda | April 25, 2008 at 1:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”256125″][quote comment=”256123″][quote comment=”256085″][quote comment=”256082″][quote comment=”256076″][quote comment=”256069″]how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

    http://en.wikipedia....
    Or this (put on your thinking caps, kiddies)[/quote]
    Dont get it?[/quote]

    Generally, thinks aren’t that funny when you have to think about them.. or direct someone to think about it. I didn’t get it either.[/quote]

    OK fellas, i’ll ‘splain ’em for you:

    The Elmer’s logo refers to the glue factory, as in that’s where old broken-down horses are sent to be made in to a sticky substance for the afterlife.

    and Dallas Crown is a company that provides horse meat to zoos for the carnivores to eat.[/quote]
    Proving once and for all that if you have to explain it, it’s not funny.[/quote]

    I dont know I think it is funny…see noteable colts…STEVE EMMTMAN and TREV ALBERTS…(since it is Draft Weekend)

  • James Craven | April 25, 2008 at 1:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”256171″]“I dont know I think it is funny…see noteable Colts…STEVE EMMTMAN and TREV ALBERTS…(since it is Draft Weekend.)”[/quote]

    And Mel Kiper Junior, Draft Expert, WAS RIGHT!

  • Paul Lukas | April 25, 2008 at 1:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”256161″]Jennie Finch is still sofa king hot.[/quote]

    And bingo, you just got yourself banned from the site. Congrats.

  • chance | April 25, 2008 at 1:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”256168″]About Mets uniforms: I have a clipping from TSN 1961 “season preview” issue that reproduces exactly the written descriptions of every team’s home and road uniforms (taken the the Red and Green books, I surmised at the time). As described there, the Mets home uniforms at one time apparently were going to be plain white with orange piping on jersey and pants (ala the royal piping on the road) with royal script “Mets” across the chest. Somewhere between publication of those guides, that issue of TSN, and the first Mets game ever, they switched to royal pin stripes for home unis.[/quote]

    Interesting: we’ve seen a photo recently of Casey Stengel showing off a rendering of the Mets’ proposed uniforms, which included a different team script. It’s black and white (natch), so I never considered that those proposed uniforms would have featured orange piping….

  • Jason | April 25, 2008 at 1:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”256170″][quote comment=”256165″][quote comment=”256132″]
    Instead of “Mets” on the jersey, it should be “New York”. I’ve always felt that your city name should be on the road uni.[/quote]

    Agree! I would love to see them try to fit the “official” team name for the Angels on a Jersey![/quote]

    Would you settle for their real name? :P[/quote]

    well that wouldn’t be the whole name ;) If you are going to create a name for marketing purpose, then embrace it!

  • Joey Guns | April 25, 2008 at 1:37 pm |

    Paul, this article on Ray King is all you!

    In the linked article to that article, it even says Ray LOST 23 pounds recently!!!

    http://www.nationals...

  • chance | April 25, 2008 at 1:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”256174″][quote comment=”256168″]About Mets uniforms: I have a clipping from TSN 1961 “season preview” issue that reproduces exactly the written descriptions of every team’s home and road uniforms (taken the the Red and Green books, I surmised at the time). As described there, the Mets home uniforms at one time apparently were going to be plain white with orange piping on jersey and pants (ala the royal piping on the road) with royal script “Mets” across the chest. Somewhere between publication of those guides, that issue of TSN, and the first Mets game ever, they switched to royal pin stripes for home unis.[/quote]

    Interesting: we’ve seen a photo recently of Casey Stengel showing off a rendering of the Mets’ proposed uniforms, which included a different team script. It’s black and white (natch), so I never considered that those proposed uniforms would have featured orange piping….[/quote]

    Ah, shoot. Just found it here, and it’s not the same as I remembered – this one already has pinstripes.

    So maybe that was another abandoned proposal, or an error on the part of whoever wrote that TSN article?

    And while we’re at it, could you scan the relevant section? I’d love to read it.

  • Marty Met | April 25, 2008 at 1:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”256149″][quote comment=”256144″][quote comment=”256141″][quote comment=”256140″][quote comment=”256132″][quote comment=”256129″]I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

    I almost completely agree.

    Instead of “Mets” on the jersey, it should be “New York”. I’ve always felt that your city name should be on the road uni.[/quote]

    Agreed.

    This is what the Mets’ road uniforms should look like.[/quote]

    And don’t forget the stirrups.[/quote]
    AMEN![/quote]

    Absolutely one of the best looking baseball uniforms of all time![/quote]

    1991 is the year the Mets had their BEST uniforms. Button front jersey with a belt; No black; No drop shadow; and that sweat tri-color shoulder and pants stripe. The road is by far their best road uniform ever, with a clean modern sans serif font.

  • LI Phil | April 25, 2008 at 1:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”256168″]About Mets uniforms: I have a clipping from TSN 1961 “season preview” issue that reproduces exactly the written descriptions of every team’s home and road uniforms (taken the the Red and Green books, I surmised at the time). As described there, the Mets home uniforms at one time apparently were going to be plain white with orange piping on jersey and pants (ala the royal piping on the road) with royal script “Mets” across the chest. Somewhere between publication of those guides, that issue of TSN, and the first Mets game ever, they switched to royal pin stripes for home unis.[/quote]

    wow…so somewhere between 1961 and 1962 someone got the brilliant idea to add the dodger blue to the pant legs and yankee pinstripes to the uni (although one can surmise the blue cap and royal lettering were already there as a nod to the dodgers)…sounds like the orig. plans were a LOT more like the departed giants (orange pant stripes, no pinstripes) and their old interlocking NY…

    to this day i still question why they needed to ‘borrow’ the yankee pinstripes…since they were neither a national league team nor a west-coast escapee

  • Kris McInnis | April 25, 2008 at 1:38 pm |

    Women. I would have killed to be a fly on the wall all the while during the planning of this misadventure. It’s unfortunate that you can’t see the other player with a mop and bucket in those pictures. Nor can you see the one that was picking up mud a hand-full at a time and trying to wring it out.

  • chance | April 25, 2008 at 1:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”256175″][quote comment=”256170″][quote comment=”256165″][quote comment=”256132″]
    Instead of “Mets” on the jersey, it should be “New York”. I’ve always felt that your city name should be on the road uni.[/quote]

    Agree! I would love to see them try to fit the “official” team name for the Angels on a Jersey![/quote]

    Would you settle for their real name? :P[/quote]

    well that wouldn’t be the whole name ;) If you are going to create a name for marketing purpose, then embrace it![/quote]

    The name created was “Los Angeles Angels.” If Moreno had his way, that’d be official. He only added “of Aneheim” to be in full compliance with his contract.

  • chance | April 25, 2008 at 1:40 pm |

    And FWIW, I also made a version with navy and red caps.

  • Minna H. | April 25, 2008 at 1:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”256101″][quote comment=”256079″]Check out the Logo bonanza on the Madden NFL 09[/quote]

    Does this mean Farve will suffer a retirement-ending injury?[/quote]

    Juan Grande, that’s what I was thinking, but you said it better than I would have.

    I clicked on the Gopher link, but I had to shut it as soon as I heard ‘clean and classic’. The new unis may be somewhat clean, but they are nowhere near classic.

    I got trout as my anti-spam word, too. Hmmmmmm….. Maybe it’s not so random?

    I like the New York script better than the Mets script, and I agree that every team (except the Angels) should have their city/state name for their road unis.

    As for the Colts’ logo, I voted for #2 because the disjointed head/legs thing amuses me.

  • chance | April 25, 2008 at 1:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”256179″][quote comment=”256168″]About Mets uniforms: I have a clipping from TSN 1961 “season preview” issue that reproduces exactly the written descriptions of every team’s home and road uniforms (taken the the Red and Green books, I surmised at the time). As described there, the Mets home uniforms at one time apparently were going to be plain white with orange piping on jersey and pants (ala the royal piping on the road) with royal script “Mets” across the chest. Somewhere between publication of those guides, that issue of TSN, and the first Mets game ever, they switched to royal pin stripes for home unis.[/quote]

    wow…so somewhere between 1961 and 1962 someone got the brilliant idea to add the dodger blue to the pant legs and yankee pinstripes to the uni (although one can surmise the blue cap and royal lettering were already there as a nod to the dodgers)…sounds like the orig. plans were a LOT more like the departed giants (orange pant stripes, no pinstripes) and their old interlocking NY…

    to this day i still question why they needed to ‘borrow’ the yankee pinstripes…since they were neither a national league team nor a west-coast escapee[/quote]

    I suspect that’s an urban legend – there are lots of references to the Mets taking pinstripes in honor of the Yankees, but no contemporary ones.

    I do not believe that was the team’s intent, but would love to be proven wrong.

  • Jason | April 25, 2008 at 1:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”256181″][quote comment=”256175″][quote comment=”256170″][quote comment=”256165″][quote comment=”256132″]
    Instead of “Mets” on the jersey, it should be “New York”. I’ve always felt that your city name should be on the road uni.[/quote]

    Agree! I would love to see them try to fit the “official” team name for the Angels on a Jersey![/quote]

    Would you settle for their real name? :P[/quote]

    well that wouldn’t be the whole name ;) If you are going to create a name for marketing purpose, then embrace it![/quote]

    The name created was “Los Angeles Angels.” If Moreno had his way, that’d be official. He only added “of Aneheim” to be in full compliance with his contract.[/quote]

    I can live with that I guess….but would still be fun to see crammed on a jersey.

  • Minna H. | April 25, 2008 at 1:45 pm |

    P.S. I am going to be heretical (so what else is new) and just say it. I don’t like pinstripes! Get rid of them!

    I feel better now.

  • Ian K | April 25, 2008 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”256158″]No clue what’s on the inside shell of Biron’s mask. Will look closely during game 2.

    [quote comment=”256111″]The Dallas Stars did a “black-out” for their home games in Round 1. However, from the reports I heard, it made the arena look empty rather than a look of unification. Philly Bill, did you attend either game?[/quote]

    Was at all three home games; they gave out black t-shirts at the first. The “blackout” was totally pointless, since so many people wear black as a matter of course (as opposed to, say, red). It had no striking visual effect whatsoever. It just looked like a large gathering of white Manhattanites.

    Have now made two posts since L’Affaire Spambot and had the same anti-spam word both times: “sea,” as in Calgary’s Sea of Red.[/quote]

    And I just heard on the Ticker that tonight’s Mavs/Hornets game is a “blue out”. This could also be difficult, as the Mavs use a unique shade of blue. It’s not really Dodger blue or teal, but somewhere in between. There’s no way this will look good.

  • Shane | April 25, 2008 at 1:47 pm |

    Those Canada sweaters are pretty nice. If Lucic makes his way to the senior side, I might have to get one.

  • Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland | April 25, 2008 at 1:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”256186″]P.S. I am going to be heretical (so what else is new) and just say it. I don’t like pinstripes! Get rid of them!

    I feel better now.[/quote]
    Heretic? Only if you weigh the same as a duck..
    ;-)

  • LI Phil | April 25, 2008 at 1:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”256184″][quote comment=”256179″][quote comment=”256168″]About Mets uniforms: I have a clipping from TSN 1961 “season preview” issue that reproduces exactly the written descriptions of every team’s home and road uniforms (taken the the Red and Green books, I surmised at the time). As described there, the Mets home uniforms at one time apparently were going to be plain white with orange piping on jersey and pants (ala the royal piping on the road) with royal script “Mets” across the chest. Somewhere between publication of those guides, that issue of TSN, and the first Mets game ever, they switched to royal pin stripes for home unis.[/quote]

    wow…so somewhere between 1961 and 1962 someone got the brilliant idea to add the dodger blue to the pant legs and yankee pinstripes to the uni (although one can surmise the blue cap and royal lettering were already there as a nod to the dodgers)…sounds like the orig. plans were a LOT more like the departed giants (orange pant stripes, no pinstripes) and their old interlocking NY…

    to this day i still question why they needed to ‘borrow’ the yankee pinstripes…since they were neither a national league team nor a west-coast escapee[/quote]

    I suspect that’s an urban legend – there are lots of references to the Mets taking pinstripes in honor of the Yankees, but no contemporary ones.

    I do not believe that was the team’s intent, but would love to be proven wrong.[/quote]

    from the ultimate mets database:

    HOME UNIFORM
    Jersey:
    Design Description: Original design combines aspects of the uniforms of the New York Yankees, Brooklyn Dodgers and New York Giants. White button-down jersey with royal blue pinstripes (pinstripes based on the Yankees), with “Mets” in script across front on an upward slant (layout style based on that of the Dodgers). “Mets” script is royal blue (taken from the Dodgers) outlined in orange (taken from the Giants). Royal blue undersweater.

    source

    now…i don’t know whether to accept this a fact, but it’s the best resouce i’ve found for mets unis…

    i seem to recall my dad saying something about this WAAAAYYYY back in the early 70’s when i asked him why both the mets and yankees had “NY” and pinstripes (hey, i was young) and he said something about the giants, dodgers and yankees unis…and i never forgot it…certainly that would predate UMDb…although who knows whether it’s true or urban legend…regardless tho, it’s been pretty much accepted as fact for 35+ years (and probably more)

  • Minna H. | April 25, 2008 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”256189″][quote comment=”256186″]P.S. I am going to be heretical (so what else is new) and just say it. I don’t like pinstripes! Get rid of them!

    I feel better now.[/quote]
    Heretic? Only if you weigh the same as a duck..
    ;-)[/quote]

    JMFinC, whew! Since I way considerably more than that, I am safe. However, I have been called a witch before, so I better watch out for water, stones, and rope.

  • Minna H. | April 25, 2008 at 1:58 pm |

    Damn. Weigh. I do now how to spell. I weigh more than a duck, not ‘way’ more than a duck, though I do weigh way more than a duck. I’m glad I cleared that up.

  • Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland | April 25, 2008 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”256192″]Damn. Weigh. I do now how to spell. I weigh more than a duck, not ‘way’ more than a duck, though I do weigh way more than a duck. I’m glad I cleared that up.[/quote]
    Thought you meant “way” in the same manner as this

  • LI Phil | April 25, 2008 at 2:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”256192″]Damn. Weigh. I do now how to spell. I weigh more than a duck, not ‘way’ more than a duck, though I do weigh way more than a duck. I’m glad I cleared that up.[/quote]

    heh…reminds me of the old ‘what’s a headway‘ joke…

    answer…about 10 pounds

    personal favorite is this t-shirt…what’s a dikfore?

  • Patrick | April 25, 2008 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”256187″][quote comment=”256158″]No clue what’s on the inside shell of Biron’s mask. Will look closely during game 2.

    [quote comment=”256111″]The Dallas Stars did a “black-out” for their home games in Round 1. However, from the reports I heard, it made the arena look empty rather than a look of unification. Philly Bill, did you attend either game?[/quote]

    Was at all three home games; they gave out black t-shirts at the first. The “blackout” was totally pointless, since so many people wear black as a matter of course (as opposed to, say, red). It had no striking visual effect whatsoever. It just looked like a large gathering of white Manhattanites.

    Have now made two posts since L’Affaire Spambot and had the same anti-spam word both times: “sea,” as in Calgary’s Sea of Red.[/quote]

    And I just heard on the Ticker that tonight’s Mavs/Hornets game is a “blue out”. This could also be difficult, as the Mavs use a unique shade of blue. It’s not really Dodger blue or teal, but somewhere in between. There’s no way this will look good.[/quote]

    The Mavs website refers to this shirt, but I don’t think they’re giving them out for free at the door or anything.

    I agree that this will be a train wreck.

  • lwiedy | April 25, 2008 at 2:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”256194″][quote comment=”256192″]Damn. Weigh. I do now how to spell. I weigh more than a duck, not ‘way’ more than a duck, though I do weigh way more than a duck. I’m glad I cleared that up.[/quote]

    heh…reminds me of the old ‘what’s a headway‘ joke…

    answer…about 10 pounds

    personal favorite is this t-shirt…what’s a dikfore?[/quote]

    “To pee with.” -Austin Milbardge

  • Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland | April 25, 2008 at 2:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”256195″][quote comment=”256187″][quote comment=”256158″]No clue what’s on the inside shell of Biron’s mask. Will look closely during game 2.

    [quote comment=”256111″]The Dallas Stars did a “black-out” for their home games in Round 1. However, from the reports I heard, it made the arena look empty rather than a look of unification. Philly Bill, did you attend either game?[/quote]

    Was at all three home games; they gave out black t-shirts at the first. The “blackout” was totally pointless, since so many people wear black as a matter of course (as opposed to, say, red). It had no striking visual effect whatsoever. It just looked like a large gathering of white Manhattanites.

    Have now made two posts since L’Affaire Spambot and had the same anti-spam word both times: “sea,” as in Calgary’s Sea of Red.[/quote]

    And I just heard on the Ticker that tonight’s Mavs/Hornets game is a “blue out”. This could also be difficult, as the Mavs use a unique shade of blue. It’s not really Dodger blue or teal, but somewhere in between. There’s no way this will look good.[/quote]

    The Mavs website refers to this shirt, but I don’t think they’re giving them out for free at the door or anything.

    I agree that this will be a train wreck.[/quote]
    Agreed – what the heck does RPL stand for?

  • Minna H. | April 25, 2008 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”256193″][quote comment=”256192″]Damn. Weigh. I do now how to spell. I weigh more than a duck, not ‘way’ more than a duck, though I do weigh way more than a duck. I’m glad I cleared that up.[/quote]
    Thought you meant “way” in the same manner as this[/quote]
    JMFinC, sch-wing! No, my fingers were overtaking my brain, and the result was not pretty. Much like this:

    I hate pastels.

    I am back on track, though.

    LI Phil, my head weighs more than a duck, too, so it’s safe as well.

  • AJ Connelly | April 25, 2008 at 2:16 pm |

    Hey all, rumours of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. I’m about a month behind on posts though so I’ll be doing some reading and getting involved in some productive debate by next week.

    In the meantime here’s the first look at the new Partick Thistle FC uniforms. My local team, still awaiting a shirt sponsor, so enjoy that blank clasic look whilst it lasts.

    Peace all

  • LI Phil | April 25, 2008 at 2:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”256197″][/quote]
    Agreed – what the heck does RPL stand for?[/quote]

    “repulses paul lukas”

    /btw…how lucky was it that the train on the right was pulling a crane???

  • LI Phil | April 25, 2008 at 2:26 pm |

    [quote]Agreed – what the heck does RPL stand for?[/quote]

    “repulses paul lukas”

    /btw…how lucky was it that the train on the right was pulling a crane???

    (fixed)

  • Ricko | April 25, 2008 at 2:30 pm |

    re: Mets original unis. First off, I apologize. 1961 was typo. Should have been 1962, of course, cuz talking about concept for Mets unis in opening week guide for their initial season. All I know is, I read it in TSN, wondering what this new team was gonna wear, and when the season started I saw instead: Pinstripes. Read it again a few years ago and, yup, home was white with orange piping, road gray with royal piping. TSN used to do that every year, reproduce the descriptions from each each league’s official guidebook and put them all together (called it “What They’ll Be Wearing” or something). I’ll have to dig out that clipping over the weekend. If it’s an error, it’s that the Mets didn’t get the change in plans to the printer by guidebook press time and TSN didn’t get the word, either. Mets wore a version of it (well, the orange piping on plain uni) in this year’s Civil Rights Game in Memphis.

  • Philly Bill | April 25, 2008 at 2:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”256197″][quote comment=”256195″]
    And I just heard on the Ticker that tonight’s Mavs/Hornets game is a “blue out”. This could also be difficult, as the Mavs use a unique shade of blue. It’s not really Dodger blue or teal, but somewhere in between. There’s no way this will look good.

    The Mavs website refers to this shirt, but I don’t think they’re giving them out for free at the door or anything.

    I agree that this will be a train wreck.[/quote]
    Agreed – what the heck does RPL stand for?[/quote]

    From the “ugh” file”: “Rowdy, Proud and Loud.”

    Blew… er, Blue-Out: Strike 1
    “RPL”: Strike 2
    Team’s inevitable uninspired play tonight: Strike 3

    Peace out, Li’l General. Maybe you can get a ride to the airport from Ron Washington.

  • The Big Man | April 25, 2008 at 2:31 pm |

    Paul,

    Recently returned to the good ‘ol USofA, so please accept my congratulations on your new arrangement with ESPN…well deserved!!!

  • christopher danesi | April 25, 2008 at 2:34 pm |

    Can anyone tell me where to find the clear tape that is used on football helmets to protect the air valves. I’ve seen them on several NFL helmets this year of teams that do not use any helmet stripes.

  • Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland | April 25, 2008 at 2:35 pm |

    [quote comment=\”256199\”]Hey all, rumours of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. I\’m about a month behind on posts though so I\’ll be doing some reading and getting involved in some productive debate by next week.

    In the meantime here\’s the first look at the new Partick Thistle FC uniforms. My local team, still awaiting a shirt sponsor, so enjoy that blank clasic look whilst it lasts.

    Peace all[/quote]
    Very nice! Digging
    the stripes

  • Matt D. | April 25, 2008 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”256182″]And FWIW, I also made a version with navy and red caps.[/quote]
    Put the white halo on top of the cap and I’m sold!

  • Ricko | April 25, 2008 at 2:53 pm |

    Blue Outs, White Outs, Black Outs. Here’s a concept I’ve always envisioned…

    When a team is overpaid, under-performing, whining, ego-driven and too many of them seem to spend more time getting arrested than watching games films, stage a Walk Out.

    Just leave at halftime. Everybody. Man, I’d love to see the faces on some of those guys when they sauntered out of the locker room and found the stadium or arena empty. No one there. Just silence.

    Think maybe they’d finally get it…that ultimately it’s the fans’ interest that generates all that “guaranteed money”?

    Nah, probably not.

    And that’s the problem.

  • Tony | April 25, 2008 at 2:57 pm |

    Speaking of fans in uniform, Sidney Crosby has a message for all Pens fans tonight.

    I’m sort of sick of the white. It worKED in Miami, but frankly I think it’s because white shirts are cheaper to produce.

  • Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland | April 25, 2008 at 2:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”256206″][quote comment=\”256199\”]Hey all, rumours of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. I\’m about a month behind on posts though so I\’ll be doing some reading and getting involved in some productive debate by next week.

    In the meantime here\’s the first look at the new Partick Thistle FC uniforms. My local team, still awaiting a shirt sponsor, so enjoy that blank clasic look whilst it lasts.

    Peace all[/quote]
    Very nice! Digging
    the stripes[/quote]
    Sorry – must quote myself
    Digging the stripes

  • Jim | April 25, 2008 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”256208″]Blue Outs, White Outs, Black Outs. Here’s a concept I’ve always envisioned…

    When a team is overpaid, under-performing, whining, ego-driven and too many of them seem to spend more time getting arrested than watching games films, stage a Walk Out.

    Just leave at halftime. Everybody. Man, I’d love to see the faces on some of those guys when they sauntered out of the locker room and found the stadium or arena empty. No one there. Just silence.

    Think maybe they’d finally get it…that ultimately it’s the fans’ interest that generates all that “guaranteed money”?

    Nah, probably not.

    And that’s the problem.[/quote]

    How about just not going to the game, because if you leave at half time, you have already spent the money that gives them the garunteed money. Stop the money at the source.

  • Duckstyle | April 25, 2008 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”256208″]Blue Outs, White Outs, Black Outs. Here’s a concept I’ve always envisioned…

    When a team is overpaid, under-performing, whining, ego-driven and too many of them seem to spend more time getting arrested than watching games films, stage a Walk Out.

    Just leave at halftime. Everybody. Man, I’d love to see the faces on some of those guys when they sauntered out of the locker room and found the stadium or arena empty. No one there. Just silence.

    Think maybe they’d finally get it…that ultimately it’s the fans’ interest that generates all that “guaranteed money”?

    Nah, probably not.

    And that’s the problem.[/quote]

    Yeah, that’s a great idea, but it’s not ever going to happen. I remember the Lions fans trying to do this like 3 years in a row to show how much they hate Millen. Unfortunitly, as long as there’s tickets being sold, noone in the front office cares, and since a lot of those are sold as season tickets, nothing mid season would ever work.

  • Perry | April 25, 2008 at 3:05 pm |

    [quote comment=\”256130\”][quote comment=\”256129\”]I\’m no Mets fan. Heck, I\’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets\’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

    agreed…there is no argument here[/quote]

    Except they should say “New York,” not “Mets.” Always been a big fan of putting the city name on the roadies.

  • Matt D. | April 25, 2008 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”256190″][quote comment=”256184″][quote comment=”256179″][quote comment=”256168″]About Mets uniforms: I have a clipping from TSN 1961 “season preview” issue that reproduces exactly the written descriptions of every team’s home and road uniforms (taken the the Red and Green books, I surmised at the time). As described there, the Mets home uniforms at one time apparently were going to be plain white with orange piping on jersey and pants (ala the royal piping on the road) with royal script “Mets” across the chest. Somewhere between publication of those guides, that issue of TSN, and the first Mets game ever, they switched to royal pin stripes for home unis.[/quote]

    wow…so somewhere between 1961 and 1962 someone got the brilliant idea to add the dodger blue to the pant legs and yankee pinstripes to the uni (although one can surmise the blue cap and royal lettering were already there as a nod to the dodgers)…sounds like the orig. plans were a LOT more like the departed giants (orange pant stripes, no pinstripes) and their old interlocking NY…

    to this day i still question why they needed to ‘borrow’ the yankee pinstripes…since they were neither a national league team nor a west-coast escapee[/quote]

    I suspect that’s an urban legend – there are lots of references to the Mets taking pinstripes in honor of the Yankees, but no contemporary ones.

    I do not believe that was the team’s intent, but would love to be proven wrong.[/quote]

    from the ultimate mets database:

    HOME UNIFORM
    Jersey:
    Design Description: Original design combines aspects of the uniforms of the New York Yankees, Brooklyn Dodgers and New York Giants. White button-down jersey with royal blue pinstripes (pinstripes based on the Yankees), with “Mets” in script across front on an upward slant (layout style based on that of the Dodgers). “Mets” script is royal blue (taken from the Dodgers) outlined in orange (taken from the Giants). Royal blue undersweater.

    source

    now…i don’t know whether to accept this a fact, but it’s the best resouce i’ve found for mets unis…

    i seem to recall my dad saying something about this WAAAAYYYY back in the early 70’s when i asked him why both the mets and yankees had “NY” and pinstripes (hey, i was young) and he said something about the giants, dodgers and yankees unis…and i never forgot it…certainly that would predate UMDb…although who knows whether it’s true or urban legend…regardless tho, it’s been pretty much accepted as fact for 35+ years (and probably more)[/quote]

    I just passed this on to the next generation (my 8-year-old son) this past weekend! I honestly don’t recall hearing about the basis of the Mets’ uniforms being a pastiche of Dodgers, Giants & yankees uniforms untl Tom Seaver’s Great Moments in baseball book in 1992. If you know that and look at the Mets’ uni, it makes perfect sense.

  • Perry | April 25, 2008 at 3:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”256178″][quote comment=”256149″][quote comment=”256144″][quote comment=”256141″][quote comment=”256140″][quote comment=”256132″][quote comment=”256129″]I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

    I almost completely agree.

    Instead of “Mets” on the jersey, it should be “New York”. I’ve always felt that your city name should be on the road uni.[/quote]

    Agreed.

    This is what the Mets’ road uniforms should look like.[/quote]

    And don’t forget the stirrups.[/quote]
    AMEN![/quote]

    Absolutely one of the best looking baseball uniforms of all time![/quote]

    1991 is the year the Mets had their BEST uniforms. Button front jersey with a belt; No black; No drop shadow; and that sweat tri-color shoulder and pants stripe. The road is by far their best road uniform ever, with a clean modern sans serif font.[/quote]

    Have to disagree there — that shoulder/pants stripe is awful. And I much prefer the original “New York” font that invokes the old Giants. Agree on your other points, though.

  • Ricko | April 25, 2008 at 3:28 pm |

    Oh, I know a Walk Out won’t happen. It’s totally unrealistic.

    Still would like to see the look on their faces, though. LOL

  • Broadway Connie | April 25, 2008 at 3:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”256065″][quote comment=”256063″]The Colts must face the truth and bring back the li’l bucking colt used in Baltimore from 1953 through 1978. Compared to the overwrought beasts being offered in that poll, it’s no contest.[/quote]

    Agreed.[/quote]

    Oh, agreed, agreed, agreed.

  • crowbirman | April 25, 2008 at 3:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”256215″][quote comment=”256190″][quote comment=”256184″][quote comment=”256179″][quote comment=”256168″]About Mets uniforms: I have a clipping from TSN 1961 “season preview” issue that reproduces exactly the written descriptions of every team’s home and road uniforms (taken the the Red and Green books, I surmised at the time). As described there, the Mets home uniforms at one time apparently were going to be plain white with orange piping on jersey and pants (ala the royal piping on the road) with royal script “Mets” across the chest. Somewhere between publication of those guides, that issue of TSN, and the first Mets game ever, they switched to royal pin stripes for home unis.[/quote]

    wow…so somewhere between 1961 and 1962 someone got the brilliant idea to add the dodger blue to the pant legs and yankee pinstripes to the uni (although one can surmise the blue cap and royal lettering were already there as a nod to the dodgers)…sounds like the orig. plans were a LOT more like the departed giants (orange pant stripes, no pinstripes) and their old interlocking NY…

    to this day i still question why they needed to ‘borrow’ the yankee pinstripes…since they were neither a national league team nor a west-coast escapee[/quote]

    I suspect that’s an urban legend – there are lots of references to the Mets taking pinstripes in honor of the Yankees, but no contemporary ones.

    I do not believe that was the team’s intent, but would love to be proven wrong.[/quote]

    from the ultimate mets database:

    HOME UNIFORM
    Jersey:
    Design Description: Original design combines aspects of the uniforms of the New York Yankees, Brooklyn Dodgers and New York Giants. White button-down jersey with royal blue pinstripes (pinstripes based on the Yankees), with “Mets” in script across front on an upward slant (layout style based on that of the Dodgers). “Mets” script is royal blue (taken from the Dodgers) outlined in orange (taken from the Giants). Royal blue undersweater.

    source

    now…i don’t know whether to accept this a fact, but it’s the best resouce i’ve found for mets unis…

    i seem to recall my dad saying something about this WAAAAYYYY back in the early 70’s when i asked him why both the mets and yankees had “NY” and pinstripes (hey, i was young) and he said something about the giants, dodgers and yankees unis…and i never forgot it…certainly that would predate UMDb…although who knows whether it’s true or urban legend…regardless tho, it’s been pretty much accepted as fact for 35+ years (and probably more)[/quote]

    I just passed this on to the next generation (my 8-year-old son) this past weekend! I honestly don’t recall hearing about the basis of the Mets’ uniforms being a pastiche of Dodgers, Giants & yankees uniforms untl Tom Seaver’s Great Moments in baseball book in 1992. If you know that and look at the Mets’ uni, it makes perfect sense.[/quote]

    One of my friends has had Mets season tickets since the first season and he was a Dodger fan before that, so I asked him about it. He recalls the Dodgers/Giants connection to the uni being mentioned when the Mets first came into being, but never anything about the Yankees. He doesn’t think any of the fans the mets were trying to get at the time would of appreciated that connection.

    Oh, I also asked him the question asked the other day about who he rooted for after the Dodgers and before the Mets. He said “anyone playing the Yanks!”

  • Broadway Connie | April 25, 2008 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”256130″][quote comment=”256129″]I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

    agreed…there is no argument here[/quote]

    Agreed, agreed, agreed.

  • Kris Fulton | April 25, 2008 at 3:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”256217″]Oh, I know a Walk Out won’t happen. It’s totally unrealistic.

    Still would like to see the look on their faces, though. LOL[/quote]

    I remember fans walking out of a Royals game against the Yankees to protest payroll disparity in the majors, scattering fake $100 bills on the field as they left – 1999 I think?

  • Marty Met | April 25, 2008 at 3:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”256216″][quote comment=”256178″][quote comment=”256149″][quote comment=”256144″][quote comment=”256141″][quote comment=”256140″][quote comment=”256132″][quote comment=”256129″]I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

    I almost completely agree.

    Instead of “Mets” on the jersey, it should be “New York”. I’ve always felt that your city name should be on the road uni.[/quote]

    Agreed.

    This is what the Mets’ road uniforms should look like.[/quote]

    And don’t forget the stirrups.[/quote]
    AMEN![/quote]

    Absolutely one of the best looking baseball uniforms of all time![/quote]

    1991 is the year the Mets had their BEST uniforms. Button front jersey with a belt; No black; No drop shadow; and that sweat tri-color shoulder and pants stripe. The road is by far their best road uniform ever, with a clean modern sans serif font.[/quote]

    Have to disagree there — that shoulder/pants stripe is awful. And I much prefer the original “New York” font that invokes the old Giants. Agree on your other points, though.[/quote]

    That “old Giants” font is to old fashioned for my taste. and those shoulder stripes were really kicking

  • Walaitis | April 25, 2008 at 4:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”256176″]Paul, this article on Ray King is all you!

    In the linked article to that article, it even says Ray LOST 23 pounds recently!!!

    http://www.nationals...

    Interesting you should mention that. Recently (this morning, in fact), I lost my car keys. I lost them 3 days ago, too … as well as a week-and-a-half ago.

    This doesn’t mean that I’ve lost 3 sets of car keys. I find them each and every time. Just like Ray finds that weight each and every time he loses it.

    It’s not about losing it. It’s about keeping it off. Now I’m heading to the kitchen to look for leftover donuts or cake, so leave me alone.

  • chance | April 25, 2008 at 4:03 pm |

    The Ultimate Mets Database is one of those places that repeats the pinstripe claim without backing it up. It’s a great site, but doesn’t count here.

    I’m still very skeptical.

  • Walaitis | April 25, 2008 at 4:05 pm |

    [/quote]

    That “old Giants” font is to old fashioned for my taste. and those shoulder stripes were really kicking[/quote]

    Too old fashioned? Too old fashioned? Do you know the group you’re sharing these thoughts with? NO SOUP FOR YOU!

  • Charlie | April 25, 2008 at 4:07 pm |

    Regarding the Orioles Orange uniforms:

    They were first worn on 9/16/1971 in a home game vs. the Yankees. Brooks Robinson did hit a grand slam in the game, won by Baltimore, 6-2. The players complained that the unis “did not fit right”.(Murray Chass, NY Times, 9/17/1971)

    They were to be worn against the Athletics in the opening game of the 1971 AL playoffs, but that game was rained out. (Bob Addie, Wash. Post, 9/26/1971 and A. Daley, NY Times, 10/3/1971)

    The uniforms were also worn in 1972, the first time was again against the Yankees, the game was played in Baltimore on April 17, 1972. (M. Chass, NYTimes, 4/18/1972)

    I do not know when they made their last appearance, but Earl Weaver did not like them, although he indicated the plan was to wear them “about one time in a series”. (George Minot, Jr., Wash Post, 5/23/1972)

    I suspect the photo was taken in 1972, but there is no verification. However, the Yankee games were the opening series of the ’72 season so it is probable that the (in)famous photo could have been taken at that time to feature the four 20-game winners from 1971. (Paul – I have .pdfs of the cited articles, but can’t attach them.)

  • David | April 25, 2008 at 4:08 pm |

    On the issue of the orange Oriole uniforms: The Orioles were in the World Series in 1971, and there should be pictures readily available from that Series showing the shoes Palmer, McNally, etc. were wearing in the series. I say that because in the SI photo at least two of them were wearing Adidas shoes with stripes. 1971 was one of the first, if not the first, year that branded shoes were worn in MLB. Not many players wore branded shoes that year. If the Orioles pictured were not wearing branded Adidas shoes in the World Series, it is unlikely that the photo in question was taken during the season of 1971. That would make it more likely that the photo was taken the next year in 1972. Just a thought, if anyone is interested in searching for 71 playoff or World Series pictures, which should be available and there would be no question when the pictures were taken.

  • Graf Zeppelin | April 25, 2008 at 4:16 pm |

    This is the best Mets road uniform, and probably the best Mets uniform of all.

    We saw these in 1995, ’96 and ’97, but not since then.

    They have to come back. Now.

    And this too.

  • Bob Sullivan | April 25, 2008 at 4:21 pm |

    That picture of the 4 20-game winners was taken in Baltimore’s Memorial Stadium. The field box seats were light blue, the railing green, and the warning track was cinders. I played in that stadium twice, in high school playoff games.

    The 1971 Orioles – quite possibly the best team ever that didn’t win a World Series. Damn those Pirates.

  • Skycat | April 25, 2008 at 4:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”256178″][quote comment=”256149″][quote comment=”256144″][quote comment=”256141″][quote comment=”256140″][quote comment=”256132″][quote comment=”256129″]I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

    I almost completely agree.

    Instead of “Mets” on the jersey, it should be “New York”. I’ve always felt that your city name should be on the road uni.[/quote]

    Agreed.

    This is what the Mets’ road uniforms should look like.[/quote]

    And don’t forget the stirrups.[/quote]
    AMEN![/quote]

    Absolutely one of the best looking baseball uniforms of all time![/quote]

    1991 is the year the Mets had their BEST uniforms. Button front jersey with a belt; No black; No drop shadow; and that sweat tri-color shoulder and pants stripe. The road is by far their best road uniform ever, with a clean modern sans serif font.[/quote]
    [quote comment=”256178″][quote comment=”256149″][quote comment=”256144″][quote comment=”256141″][quote comment=”256140″][quote comment=”256132″][quote comment=”256129″]I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

    http://sportsillustr...

    I almost completely agree.

    Instead of “Mets” on the jersey, it should be “New York”. I’ve always felt that your city name should be on the road uni.[/quote]

    Agreed.

    This is what the Mets’ road uniforms should look like.[/quote]

    And don’t forget the stirrups.[/quote]
    AMEN![/quote]

    Absolutely one of the best looking baseball uniforms of all time![/quote]

    1991 is the year the Mets had their BEST uniforms. Button front jersey with a belt; No black; No drop shadow; and that sweat tri-color shoulder and pants stripe. The road is by far their best road uniform ever, with a clean modern sans serif font.[/quote]
    To quote Mickey Mantle, “My views are are about the same as Casey’s.”
    (see last line of testimony)
    http://www.baseball-...
    Is there any way we can put a poll together to vote for our favorite Met uni?

  • Graf Zeppelin | April 25, 2008 at 4:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”256194″][quote comment=”256192″]Damn. Weigh. I do now how to spell. I weigh more than a duck, not ‘way’ more than a duck, though I do weigh way more than a duck. I’m glad I cleared that up.[/quote]

    heh…reminds me of the old ‘what’s a headway‘ joke…

    answer…about 10 pounds

    personal favorite is this t-shirt…what’s a dikfore?[/quote]

    We shall say “NI!” again to you if you do not appease us!!

  • =bg= | April 25, 2008 at 4:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”256139″]I can see the Georgia Frontiere patch right now… a gin and tonic, a blonde wig, and a pack of Camel Light 100’s with the caption ‘Did We Win?’

    Might I suggest the horse from The Godfather as the Colts secondary logo?[/quote]

    Sounds like Marge Schott to me.

  • Kevin Mericle | April 25, 2008 at 4:36 pm |

    Here’s my take on the Colts logo contest (and I may very well be in the minority here). Out of the 5 “finalists” on their website, only #1 and #2 really stand out to me as quality logos that the team would consider. No offense to the folks that created the other three, but they just don’t look on par with what the NFL would use. I think the Colts decided on two logos they liked (1 & 2), then included the other three (knowing they most likely wouldn’t win). It’s sort of the same approach the Seahawks used when they introduced both silver and blue helmets. The fans were able to vote, but it was pretty much a given that the blue would win (since there was no silver anywhere in the uniforms). Personally I think #1 is pretty good, and they could easily replace the lighter blue with white while keeping the integrity of the logo intact.

  • chance | April 25, 2008 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”256226″]Regarding the Orioles Orange uniforms:

    They were first worn on 9/16/1971 in a home game vs. the Yankees. Brooks Robinson did hit a grand slam in the game, won by Baltimore, 6-2. The players complained that the unis “did not fit right”.(Murray Chass, NY Times, 9/17/1971)

    >snipHere’s a PNG of the first one.

  • chance | April 25, 2008 at 4:38 pm |
  • LI Phil | April 25, 2008 at 4:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”256224″]The Ultimate Mets Database is one of those places that repeats the pinstripe claim without backing it up. It’s a great site, but doesn’t count here.

    I’m still very skeptical.[/quote]

    like i said, chance, i only know of none better, im sure it’s not infallible

    i too remain skeptical of the ‘yankee pinstripe’ connection, for reasons i listed previously…it’s a little too convenient…it explains a lot…but that doesn’t make it RIGHT

    i, too, would love for someone to prove it wrong…just cuz it’s been an urban legend for a long time doesn’t make it any less an urban legend…and my old man could have been just as full of shit back then as he is now…all i DO KNOW for sure is that rumors (still unconfirmed for now) of the yankee pinstripe connection have been around for a lonnnggg time

  • Walaitis | April 25, 2008 at 4:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”256161″]

    And bingo, you just got yourself banned from the site. Congrats.[/quote]

    Not a fan of SNL skits, Paul? (would link to the satire commercial on Youtube, but I don’t want to be banned!)

  • Husker E10 | April 25, 2008 at 4:44 pm |

    Check out this poll on another blog about college football’s best equipment rig.

    Crazy how the Ohio State trailer includes Buckeye decal merit stickers. It has 11 stickers — but they only won 7 national chamipnships? 11 stickers for each team in the Big 10? (Which makes no sense by the way in its own right)

  • Joe Wagner | April 25, 2008 at 4:46 pm |

    The Casper Ghosts minor league team has unveiled glo in the dark baseball caps. Fortunately, the whole cap doesn’t glow, just the logo.

  • Joe Wagner | April 25, 2008 at 4:47 pm |

    gah.

    Here’s the link:

    http://web.minorleag...

  • Ricko | April 25, 2008 at 4:47 pm |

    Orioles. This is dovetailing with my thoughts because…1) I recalled it was late in the season when the all-orange first appeared, 2) the SI cover with Dodger montage was about Dodgers’ being in first, and M.Wills was wearing adidas, 3) one of the inside photos is B.Robinson being congratulated on his grand slam…and he’s wearing black adidas with orange stripes, 4) the pants are horrifically baggy, remember thinking that about them, 5) 1971 was the first year of logos on shoes, not because majors hadn’t allowed them, just that adidas was first to make steel-spiked baseball shoes with side trim, and they outfitted entire teams (A’s white, White Sox red) that year…free. As early as 1967, KC A’s wore white Riddells with green snug-ties around ankle (also had green Riddells with white laces and snug-ties for muddy days…anyone else remember that?)so there never appeared to be any prohibition regarding brand ID on spikes.

  • Husker E10 | April 25, 2008 at 4:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”256238″]Check out this poll on another blog about college football’s best equipment rig.

    Crazy how the Ohio State trailer includes Buckeye decal merit stickers. It has 11 stickers — but they only won 7 national chamipnships? 11 stickers for each team in the Big 10? (Which makes no sense by the way in its own right)[/quote]

    Also just noticed how the Michigan rig has a truck with the lemet wings painted on it.

  • Walaitis | April 25, 2008 at 4:52 pm |

    Intriguing … It looks like Dodger Stadium is in for a $500,000,000 facelift that won’t include much (if any) difference to the fan sitting in their seat current day.

  • Fran | April 25, 2008 at 5:00 pm |

    A couple days ago Paul asked about a picture of the second base ump with a stopwatch. According to Morgan Ensberg it is not something new.
    Second paragraph has the details

  • chance | April 25, 2008 at 5:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”256240″]gah.

    Here’s the link:

    http://web.minorleag...

    Yeah – at the risk of sounding snippy, we talked about that when the article was published – last Halloween.

  • Christopher | April 25, 2008 at 5:05 pm |

    Massachusetts Police Get Black Uniforms to Instill Sense of \’Fear\’:

    http://www.foxnews.c...

  • Chris | April 25, 2008 at 5:08 pm |

    RE: Black-outs – back in the 2000-2001 NHL playoffs, the LA Kings (Paul’s favorite!) had a “black out” in their first round series vs. the Red Wings. The cool part: they did not give out t-shirts, we all showed up in black on our own. The bad part: as cool as it looked in person, the arena does look EMPTY on TV.

    At least it wasn’t a purple-out!

  • Eric | April 25, 2008 at 5:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”256094″]New Chelsea kit today, very bland if you ask me….
    The keepers shirt is just plain wrong
    Current kit[/quote]
    Chelsea fan here, and I like almost everything about the new kit . . . better collar, shorter “three stripes”, and better looking sponsor placement, with Samsung dropping the “mobile” tag at the bottom. (makes sense, seeing how Samsung makes lots of other stuff besides cell phones)

    I don’t like the gold piping, but if the can bring home the CL or EPL trophy (or better yet, both!), it could work. If they fail to get at least one, the addition of the gold piping doesn’t work for me . . .

  • Ricko | April 25, 2008 at 5:17 pm |

    Okay, last comment for the day, and this will probably draw some fire cuz I can’t prove it, but as I recall the Mets flat-out said they took elements from the Giants and Dodgers, to pay homage to them: Orange from Giants, Royal blue from Dodgers; Giants hat logo (making hat literally a combination of the two teams’ hats),; Dodger style script “Mets” for home, Giants style fancy block “NEW YORK” for road. And, while they never said it, I figured at last minute they went to pinstripes just to bring something new of their own to the mix. Sure, Yankee fans will say it was to copy them. Yes, while the Yankees are associated with pinstripes, it still was a common uniform style. In 1962, the Twins, Senators, White Sox, Indians, Cubs, Phillies, Reds wore pins.

  • chance | April 25, 2008 at 5:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”256250″]Okay, last comment for the day, and this will probably draw some fire cuz I can’t prove it, but as I recall the Mets flat-out said they took elements from the Giants and Dodgers, to pay homage to them: Orange from Giants, Royal blue from Dodgers; Giants hat logo (making hat literally a combination of the two teams’ hats),; Dodger style script “Mets” for home, Giants style fancy block “NEW YORK” for road. And, while they never said it, I figured at last minute they went to pinstripes just to bring something new of their own to the mix. Sure, Yankee fans will say it was to copy them. Yes, while the Yankees are associated with pinstripes, it still was a common uniform style. In 1962, the Twins, Senators, White Sox, Indians, Cubs, Phillies, Reds wore pins.[/quote]

    Yes, the Mets jabe always acknowledged the visual debt to the Mets and Giants (although I think linking the wordmarks is a bit of a stretch).

    But in recent years, it has become common to say that the Mets adopted pinstripes in a deliberate homage to the Yankees, and not just among Yankee fans. Mets fans, such as the ones who run the Ultimate Mets Database, are guilty of perpetuating the story.

    What we’re looking for is any actual evidence to support it. Personally, I kinda doubt it.

  • LI Phil | April 25, 2008 at 5:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”256250″]Okay, last comment for the day, and this will probably draw some fire cuz I can’t prove it, but as I recall the Mets flat-out said they took elements from the Giants and Dodgers, to pay homage to them: Orange from Giants, Royal blue from Dodgers; Giants hat logo (making hat literally a combination of the two teams’ hats),; Dodger style script “Mets” for home, Giants style fancy block “NEW YORK” for road. And, while they never said it, I figured at last minute they went to pinstripes just to bring something new of their own to the mix. Sure, Yankee fans will say it was to copy them. Yes, while the Yankees are associated with pinstripes, it still was a common uniform style. In 1962, the Twins, Senators, White Sox, Indians, Cubs, Phillies, Reds wore pins.[/quote]

    great points…and trust me…i’d like nothing more than it to be true that they DIDN’T take the pins from the yanks

    i may be in the minority here, but i prefer the snow whites to the pinstripes because of the supposed connection to the yanks (and, well, just not that big of a fan of the pinstripes in general)…but i’d kill for them to lose that drop shadow AND the pinstripes (but that’s just me)

    now…if in fact the pinstripes are NOT a yankee link, then i can much more easily pine for the return to the 62 unis

    dammit…for 35+ years i have accepted at face value the statement (confirmed in the UMDb and elsewhere) that the blue and “Mets” script were from the brooklyn team and the orange, interlocking “NY” and away “NEW YORK” script was from the departed new york national league team…and the pinstripes were from the american league franchise…never questioned it but always wondered WHY–the yanks didn’t leave town and they weren’t in the NL…so why pay homage to them?

    this could be another good UW mystery…find absolute proof (one way or the other) on the origin of the mets pinstripes

  • Ian K | April 25, 2008 at 5:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”256242″][quote comment=”256238″]Check out this poll on another blog about college football’s best equipment rig.

    Crazy how the Ohio State trailer includes Buckeye decal merit stickers. It has 11 stickers — but they only won 7 national chamipnships? 11 stickers for each team in the Big 10? (Which makes no sense by the way in its own right)[/quote]

    Also just noticed how the Michigan rig has a truck with the lemet wings painted on it.[/quote]

    Nice poll! I voted for the Michigan truck on the merits of the cab having the helmet wings. (Is “wings” the right term?). Looks like an LSU message board got a hold of this link because of 11 entrants, LSU has 63% of the vote! Good looking trailer though – and at least they’re not Oklahoma, which felt the need to put a Nike swoosh on both the CAB and the TRAILER! Why??

  • Paul Lukas | April 25, 2008 at 5:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”256251″][quote comment=”256250″]Okay, last comment for the day, and this will probably draw some fire cuz I can’t prove it, but as I recall the Mets flat-out said they took elements from the Giants and Dodgers, to pay homage to them: Orange from Giants, Royal blue from Dodgers; Giants hat logo (making hat literally a combination of the two teams’ hats),; Dodger style script “Mets” for home, Giants style fancy block “NEW YORK” for road. And, while they never said it, I figured at last minute they went to pinstripes just to bring something new of their own to the mix. Sure, Yankee fans will say it was to copy them. Yes, while the Yankees are associated with pinstripes, it still was a common uniform style. In 1962, the Twins, Senators, White Sox, Indians, Cubs, Phillies, Reds wore pins.[/quote]

    Yes, the Mets jabe always acknowledged the visual debt to the Mets and Giants (although I think linking the wordmarks is a bit of a stretch).

    But in recent years, it has become common to say that the Mets adopted pinstripes in a deliberate homage to the Yankees, and not just among Yankee fans. Mets fans, such as the ones who run the Ultimate Mets Database, are guilty of perpetuating the story.

    What we’re looking for is any actual evidence to support it. Personally, I kinda doubt it.[/quote]

    Agreed. Taking pinstripes from the Yanks was NEVER the story until recently. The whole point of the Mets is that they drew upon — and, hence, continued — the city’s NATIONAL LEAGUE heritage. The pinstripes were used simply because lots of teams used pinstripes, not just the Yankees.

  • Bradley | April 25, 2008 at 6:18 pm |

    New Chelsea kit:
    http://www.kitbag.co...

  • AJ Connelly | April 25, 2008 at 6:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”256257″]New Chelsea kit:
    http://www.kitbag.co...
    I heard rumours about this on the footballkit boards as long ago as November, dunno why they’ve departed from the all blue jersey, this makes them look very tacky and mid-90s again, reminds me of the Gullit era jerseys with the crazy Y-button collar.

  • AJ Connelly | April 25, 2008 at 6:35 pm |

    Also I’ve been trying to resist commenting on the topic of the day, but I’m too uber geeked up to not mention it. I’ve got a great book on Orioles history, when I was a kid I fell in love with Baltimores cap and it’s sorta stayed with me even though I’m a paid up member of Red Sox Nation (I hate saying Red Sox Nation out loud), it’s called The Baltimore Orioles ‘Four Decades of Magic from 33rd Street to Camden Yards’and according to it the all-orange uni’s were only worn twice then retired when someone commented that Boog Powell resembled a giant pumpkin in his. The book’s reference photo is the 20 game winners pic of Cuellar, Dobson, McNally and Palmer. It’s dated as 1971 in that pic.

    Good book as well in a lot of ways

  • Paul Lukas | April 25, 2008 at 6:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”256259″]Also I’ve been trying to resist commenting on the topic of the day, but I’m too uber geeked up to not mention it. I’ve got a great book on Orioles history, when I was a kid I fell in love with Baltimores cap and it’s sorta stayed with me even though I’m a paid up member of Red Sox Nation (I hate saying Red Sox Nation out loud), it’s called The Baltimore Orioles ‘Four Decades of Magic from 33rd Street to Camden Yards’and according to it the all-orange uni’s were only worn twice then retired when someone commented that Boog Powell resembled a giant pumpkin in his.[/quote]

    OK, but that doesn’t address the question of whether both of those appearances were in 1971 — the second one could’ve been in 1972. And if you look at comments 73, 80, and 177, it appears that they were indeed used at least once in ’72. Some additional info has been sent my way that also points to the orange uniforms having been used in ’72. I’ll be posting a follow-up entry after my vacation.

  • TheJonGates | April 25, 2008 at 7:11 pm |

    The Colts Design A Horse Contest is teetering on being a sham…
    Design number 4 was posted last night, and was then completely different today. Proof of the original #4 here. Compare to now. What makes me mad is that there were plenty of designs better than numbers 2-4 posted on the Colts.com forums. Good going Colts marketing dept.
    Bring Back The Buckin’ Colt!

  • Will | April 25, 2008 at 7:29 pm |

    Received my volunteer uni for the US Open yesterday. Haven’t had a chance to take pics yet, but this is a pretty good representation of what they look like.

  • Johnny O | April 25, 2008 at 7:55 pm |

    I am glad my source was right… The Brewers are sporting their retro gear tonight versus the Fish. The announcers are even calling it “Retro Friday” just like last year.

  • Ben | April 25, 2008 at 8:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”256061″][quote comment=”256046″]Couple things: those all-orange things are the worst uniforms I have ever seen in my life. Palmer looks like a tall tangerine.

    And RE the Colts, I’d go with #3; #5 is a direct knock off of the Broncos, right?[/quote]
    Maybe they can make a secondary logo based on this? Wouldn’t be a direct knock-off of the Broncos…..oh, wait…..looks just like this Bronco[/quote]
    Hilarious!!!!

  • Jon in SLC | April 25, 2008 at 9:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”256243″]Intriguing … It looks like Dodger Stadium is in for a $500,000,000 facelift that won’t include much (if any) difference to the fan sitting in their seat current day.[/quote]

    And this is just fine with me! One of the best baseball experiences you can get is sitting in Chavez Ravine with Your dad (or son) and taking in the understated nature of Dodger Stadium.

    On a side note, rather interesting article here about the Chinese shoe contracts that the Rockets endorse.

  • Jon in SLC | April 25, 2008 at 9:14 pm |

    It also makes my week that the Winnipeg “White out” got some notice today too.

  • Jay | April 25, 2008 at 9:36 pm |

    The horse in 2 with the disconnected legs reminds of the land-o-lakes butter lady and the trick with her knees.

  • Ryan B | April 25, 2008 at 9:45 pm |

    In re: the Orioles – a look at Jim Palmer’s 1976 Topps card shows him wearing…the orange top. So while the pants might have been junked around 1972 or ’73…the top hung in there till at least ’75.

  • Marcus Hall - B-More | April 25, 2008 at 10:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”256269″]In re: the Orioles – a look at Jim Palmer’s 1976 Topps card shows him wearing…the orange top. So while the pants might have been junked around 1972 or ’73…the top hung in there till at least ’75.[/quote]

    here’s picture proof of old Jimmy Pumpkintops…..

  • odessasteps magazine | April 25, 2008 at 10:41 pm |

    Read tonight that, due to the passing of Chelsea player Frank Lampard’s mother, players from Chelsea and Manchester United are wearing black armbands in remembrance.

    Not to sound insensitive, but doesn’t it seem odd for players to wear a tribute for a player’s deceased parent? ANd both team too?

  • LI Phil | April 25, 2008 at 10:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”256271″]Read tonight that, due to the passing of Chelsea player Frank Lampard’s mother, players from Chelsea and Manchester United are wearing black armbands in remembrance.

    Not to sound insensitive, but doesn’t it seem odd for players to wear a tribute for a player’s deceased parent? ANd both team too?[/quote]

    she used to bring the orange slices

  • Jim W | April 25, 2008 at 10:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”256267″]It also makes my week that the Winnipeg “White out” got some notice today too.[/quote]

    Me too… try as they may, there will never be a “White out” like the ones we had at the Arena in Winnipeg!

  • Jim James | April 25, 2008 at 11:01 pm |

    The O’s did wear the orange uni’s on April 23, 1972 in Cleveland. I was there as a 14 year old. I remember WERE 1300AM, the Indians radio flagship was giving out free tickets to anyone that came to their parking lot. I think you had to bring a can of food or something. We lived about 10 minutes from the station, my dad drove my brother and me down to the station. We got the tix and went to the game. I was excited to see the orange uniforms, I’d heard about them from 1971. I liked them at the time. Of course I was 14 and it was the early 70’s so I had no taste or sense of tradition. I hate then today. We sat by the O’s bullpen, they were General Admission tickets. My brother and me were exited to be at our second game of the year so soon after attending the strike delayed opener a week earlier. I think the Indians won that day.

  • Baltimore Greg | April 25, 2008 at 11:13 pm |

    I can also vouch that the photo of Orioles four 20 game winners was taken at Baltimore’s Memorial Stadium due to the color of the seats. Unfortunately, I can assist as to the year.

    In 1975 (my first year of attending Orioles games) they switched to the caps with the white fronts. That same year, on some games they wore orange jerseys (with no black & white sleeve strips, unlike the ’71 versions) along with caps that had orange fronts. The orange jerseys kept reappearing from time to time, but the orange caps disappeared after the 1976 season. Thankfully, the orange jerseys have been gone since after the first season at Camden Yards.

  • LI Phil | April 25, 2008 at 11:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”256274″]The O’s did wear the orange uni’s on April 23, 1972 in Cleveland. I was there as a 14 year old. I remember WERE 1300AM, the Indians radio flagship was giving out free tickets to anyone that came to their parking lot. I think you had to bring a can of food or something. We lived about 10 minutes from the station, my dad drove my brother and me down to the station. We got the tix and went to the game. I was excited to see the orange uniforms, I’d heard about them from 1971. I liked them at the time. Of course I was 14 and it was the early 70’s so I had no taste or sense of tradition. I hate then today. We sat by the O’s bullpen, they were General Admission tickets. My brother and me were exited to be at our second game of the year so soon after attending the strike delayed opener a week earlier. I think the Indians won that day.[/quote]

    according to baseball library dot com the indians defeated the orioles 2-1 in cleveland stadium (wasn’t this known as the mistake on/by the lake?)

  • Eddie Jay | April 25, 2008 at 11:23 pm |

    http://pittsburgh.pi...
    I was kinda hoping the pirates weren’t goin to wear this ugly jerseys this year, well at least the phillies beat them!

  • Clint | April 25, 2008 at 11:24 pm |

    The Brooks Robinson stirrup photo had to have been taken on April 22, 1972, or September 24, 1971. Since it looks as though he is on 2nd base, those are the only two times he reached second in those trips to Cleveland. The 1971 game was the second of a doubleheader, so it could have been a night game. The attendence was 3,511. The 1972 game was on a Saturday, attendence was 2,683. Both are sparse crowds as the photo shows, but it looks like a day game. I would imagine the April Saturday game was in the day, as opposed to the second game of a doubleheader. I would go with 1972.

  • Jim James | April 25, 2008 at 11:30 pm |

    I may have the date wrong by a day. I know the Indians-Orioles game I attended was a weekend day game. I still think it was the Sunday game but, who knows.

  • Brendan | April 26, 2008 at 1:27 am |

    The flag patches on the Calgary Flames’ jerseys may not return next year: link

  • josh | April 26, 2008 at 2:32 am |

    Rams patch for georgia has been unveiled. heres the pic

  • ScottyJ in WV | April 26, 2008 at 8:36 pm |
  • Bill Henderson | April 28, 2008 at 9:05 pm |

    Paul,

    I read with interest the Uni-watch comments on the Orioles Orange uniforms of 1971 (and possibly 1972). I agree with your observation that taking all reference material as gospel can cause problems for someone doing future research. These days, with the Internet (highlighting the application Wikipedia, where nearly anybody can be an expert by just hitting the “send” button) has allowed tons of “sources” to become immediately available to anyone researching anything. I suggest that back in the days when anything got written it went through a long cycle of editors and fact checking and publishing houses and finally to print and paper, misinformation was not so easy to spread. But by the same token I would have never been able to consider printing this book back in those days.

    The Orioles “orange uniform” debate is notable because the photos and information on that topic came to me via a collector who claimed inside knowledge of the Orioles and the topic (down to knowing manufacturer and the actual name of the number font on the jersey that is slightly different from uniforms made by other manufacturers). He supplied me with much help on the chapter including error-checking and editing the large summary table at the front of the chapter to make it more accurate. Help like this is hard to come by, and when someone knows so much about a topic it is tempting to list it all as a part of the permanent record for other collectors to learn from.

    So, as you can imagine, when he was so specific as to give me the dates the uniforms were worn, I included that information for all to read. You’ll note that I certainly do not usually include such information as to specific dates uniforms are worn elsewhere in the Guide.

    As both the author and fact-checker of my research (a bad combination), I had done everything myself on this project, including all the writing and photo layout. By reaching out to several individuals who wrote to me with corrections after the publication of the prior editions, I attempted to have each chapter fact checked by another set of eyes. And while some people actually followed up and helped, many who promised to review the material did not follow up with me in time for publication. That’s to be expected I suppose, as that’s a lot of work to volunteer to do for nothing in return (except perhaps a free copy of the final product)

    As another writer commented on this blog, The Brewers chapter was one that I would have loved to have had checked by another person more familiar with that team than I am. But unfortunately, this was one case where I was unable to find an expert before I published. I agree that the chronology of flannel uniforms should be corrected, and should there be another edition I will attend to this.

    There are a few other mistakes that kind collectors have called to my attention in the current edition as well. For example, even though the Mets chapter was among the most thoroughly researched and checked by my experts, the Mets BP jersey featuring the gaudy racing stripes up the sides as well as over the shoulder tops is identified as a 1987 one-year style is indeed listed here in error on page 702. With the help of a couple of collectors we discovered that this jersey was not worn by the MLB club and was instead MOST LIKEY worn by the Port St. Lucie Mets in the minor leagues. I smile now whenever I see one offered for sale on various auction and dealer sites as “rare one year Mets style”; obviously this mis-information comes from me. There are a few other mistakes that I (and others) have found as well. I guess that’s to be expected 1200-odd pages of material.

    I am delighted at the following my research has generated. Frankly, it was originally just intended just to be a guide to help lettering shops properly sew the colors of numbers and letters on jerseys in the right order. I am very grateful to all the people who write to me constantly and supply photos and information from their own collections. I’d love it if reader Chance who commented on the Brewers would help me get it right for the next edition- should there be one. He’s a really good guy, and I remember corresponding with him.

    And Paul, I am still SHOCKED at the following on this blog… I thought I was the only idiot interested in this stuff…. I know better now!

    Bill Henderson
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  • dave b | May 1, 2008 at 10:30 pm |

    just thought i’d mention that reyes has also switched to easton batting gloves as well. presumably, he borrowed them from luis castillo who wears all-easton gear (glove, cleats and batting gloves). i’ve noticed that he tries to change things up when he slumping, as there have been a few occasions when he didnt wear any batting gloves at all.