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NFL’s Latest Idea: PSLs for Supreme Court Hearings

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I haven’t had anything to say yet about the American Needle v. NFL case, which was argued yesterday at the Supreme Court. If you’re not familiar with the case, there’s good background here and here, and a good summary of yesterday’s arguments here, but the short version is this: The NFL is claiming that it is one business entity, rather than 32 separate franchise entities, and that this exempts the league from the Sherman Antitrust Act.

Strictly speaking, the case is about merchandising, although many analysts have noted that it has huge implications for the league’s labor negotiations with the players’ union. Naturally, I prefer to look at it from a uni-centric perspective.

The way I see it, one reason NFL design is at such a low ebb these days is that the league already acts like a single entity, at least in terms of its properties division, which oversees all the uniforms. Toss in the fact that there’s only one league-wide uni manufacturer, Reebok, and you end up with the corporate-ized blandness we see throughout so much of the league. Do you think fun logos like Pat Patriot, Sir Saint, or sunburst dolphin would ever have seen the light of day if today’s centralized properties division had been running the show back when those marks were designed? No way.

All the major sports leagues have this same problem — the designs flow out of a central office, so there isn’t enough diversity of style and form — but the NFL exhibits a particularly annoying type of corporate arrogance. Stefan Fatsis’s SI.com report on yesterday’s Supreme Court arguments included this remarkable passage:

Levy [the NFL lawyer arguing the case] countered that the NFL teams need to band together in business because they can’t produce the product — the games — on their own, so the [individual team] trademarks have no value on their own, either.

Think about that. According to the NFL, the Dallas Cowboys’ brand identity is literally worthless without the NFL’s sanction. Ditto for the Steelers’ brand identity, and for all the other teams. Okay, maybe it’s true for the Lions, but you get my point.

That argument reminded me of something I wrote back in the fall of 2003, when Uni Watch had just moved to Slate.com. I wrote a column about league logos appearing on uniforms. I concluded the piece with the following paragraph:

[M]ost fans don’t really care about the NBA per se, or about any of the other sports leagues. They care about the Celtics, the Mets, the Canadiens, the 49ers, or whichever other teams they root for. The fan/team dynamic is what drives pro sports, which is why team logos are the only insignia that belong on a uniform. Somehow the league bigwigs have gotten the notion that the league validates the team. Uni Watch hates to break it to them, but it’s the other way around.

Six-plus years later, I stand by those words. Now, if the Supreme Court rules against the NFL, will uniform design suddenly become more decentralized and playful? Almost certainly not. But the case is a glaring symptom of what’s gone wrong in the uniform world.

Meanwhile: New ESPN column today, and I don’t mind saying that it’s a doozy — look here.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Good article about the Cavs’ equipment manager here (thanks, Vince). … Dying to own one of those orange-striped AFL throwback officiating jerseys? You can bid on one here (with thanks to Eric Stangel). … Very cool guerilla art project in Colorado, as someone has planted some phony Gatorade bottles with Tiger Woods commentary into Denver stores (big thanks to James T. Huening). … Two excellent items reprinted from yesterday’s comments: a game-used Oakland Invaders helmet, and check out the texture on these sleeve patches. … Yesterday I ran a Ticker item about the Yuma Union High School Criminals. Now Jeremy Zeiders reports that Yuma’s basketball and wrestling teams wore prison stripes, at least back in the 1990s. … Gumball helmet king Bill Jones has been busy on a number of fronts, creating several new sets of helmets (NCAA FBS, FCS, and D2; Federal League baseball; Asian Baseball League) and adding scans of lots of cool old ads to his Flickr feed. It’s pretty amazing stuff — check it out here. … College hoops query from Tim Groves, who writes: “I was watching the Clemson vs. Duke basketball game on ESPN tonight and noticed a skull-like image inside the half-court D logo on Duke’s court. Unfortunately I have no pictures because I own no DVR. Do you know anything about this or do you know anyone who would?” Anyone..? … Michigan State has added an “E.P.M.” patch. “It’s for Tom Izzo’s wife’s dad, Efrain Portillo Marinez, who passed recently,” says Jon Beckmann. “The numbers on the warm-up sleeve I have no idea on. I did some really quick research and came up empty-handed.” Anyone know about that? … New frilly table tennis dress for Naomi Yotsumoto. “Yes, those are roses in her hair,” says Jeremy Brahm. … Always good to add another Sox in shorts photo to the visual record. Hadn’t seen that one until Dave Soline sent it along. … Several readers noted that Texas Tech is going TNOB. Turns out they’ve been doing it all season but none of us had noticed until now (screen shot courtesy of Chris Mycoskie). … Pure gold now available on YouTube: the entire 1962 AFL Championship Game, an all-Texas affair between the Oilers and the Texans. Good luck getting anything done today, Ricko! (Major find by Bill Killick.) … Tired of the Big Ten’s helmet designs? A bunch of proposed makeovers are shown here (with thanks to Dan Wagner).

 

212 comments to NFL’s Latest Idea: PSLs for Supreme Court Hearings

  • G.M. | January 14, 2010 at 8:51 am |

    The numbers on the Michigan State warm-ups — 64 32 16 08 04 — are the rounds of the NCAA tournament. This is part of Nike’s Team Elite branding.

  • Chris M | January 14, 2010 at 8:53 am |

    I guess I’ve never seen all of the AFC East’s white helmets in the same image before, but I can see why the Jets and Bills changed in the late 70’s / early 80’s.

  • War Damn Eagle | January 14, 2010 at 8:53 am |

    Do you think the NFL should go back to the system wear 4 or 5 different uniform manufacturers were allowed to outfit teams? I guess it was companies like Nike, Reebok, Puma, Wilson, Starter, Champion, etc.

    Would competition for the right to outfit teams, like in college football, push uni design in a better direction than under the current system where one company (Reebok) controls everything)?

  • MH | January 14, 2010 at 8:53 am |

    BTW, based on yesterday’s oral argument the NFL just hosed itself. Best case for NFL? The Court remands, discovery begins, and the NFL either settles (read: bends over to American Needle–and others, many others) or launches the multi-million dollar litigation counsel referenced (under oath). And any litigation will *not* be a one-off deal–the Sherman Act implications ripple far and wide. And, to be fair to the NFL, the implications extend to the NBA, NHL, NCAA, etc. What’s almost funny is that the NFL got greedy based on the Seventh Circuit decision.

    One Law Prof (and UniWatch member)

  • Corey | January 14, 2010 at 8:54 am |

    That’s no skull at Duke’s center court. It’s a basketball above a net, as seen here:
    http://www.flickr.co...

  • Chris from Carver | January 14, 2010 at 8:59 am |

    [quote comment=”372098″]Do you think the NFL should go back to the system wear 4 or 5 different uniform manufacturers were allowed to outfit teams? I guess it was companies like Nike, Reebok, Puma, Wilson, Starter, Champion, etc.

    Would competition for the right to outfit teams, like in college football, push uni design in a better direction than under the current system where one company (Reebok) controls everything)?[/quote]
    When it comes to football and hockey designs, anything is better than Reebok.

  • Mike | January 14, 2010 at 9:01 am |

    The NFL’s stance in this case reminds me of one of the definitions of a dysfunctional family: the individuals are there to support the unit rather than the unit being there to support the individuals.

  • Thomas Clark | January 14, 2010 at 9:03 am |

    I think I agree with Paul on the team vs league debate. But I want to ask each of you a question: What would you do if your favorite NFL dropped down to the UFL, would you still whole-heartedly support them in the obviously inferior league? Or would you look to make new allegiances in the NFL?

    I think that’s the basis of the NFL’s argument. That in the current landscape they are essentially the only real game in town. Without the NFL support where would a team turn that would fill a stadium with 80,000 people on a weekly basis? Maybe if we get a secondary league that becomes large enough to actually compete with the NFL will their argument lose all validity.

  • fred | January 14, 2010 at 9:10 am |

    I just received this via theofficial Kiss Twitter:

    “custom-painted KISS football helmets”
    http://www.facebook....

  • Hank | January 14, 2010 at 9:11 am |

    The update to the Big10/11/12 helmets was pretty good. I think a better make-over for Penn State would be to keep the white helmet and add the profile Nittany Lion logo (http://www.oldstate....). That may even work with a solid blue helmet also. I’m a Nits fan, and this may be considered heretical thinking, but a little updating would be nice.

  • Hott Rodd | January 14, 2010 at 9:13 am |

    So.. I’m probably taking a trip up to northern AZ in a few weeks. Wonder if that Browns cardigan will still be there.. Keith Winney – do you recall the name of the store?

  • brad keppler | January 14, 2010 at 9:14 am |

    okay here is my two cents towards the topic o the day…

    i have always seen the Team to League relationship as kind of a “state to country” relationship. every school room, court room, auditorium, gym, has at the very least the american flag, and sometimes even the state flag as well. i have no problem with the league putting its logo on the apparel of the teams that make it up. its like a stamp of approval almost. if there is one thing i hate, its fake, phony, replica-esque, cheap looking apparel. a little silhouette of jerry west on the shoulder of a jersey is not in bad taste. However, annoying adidas and reebok logos are in very, very, very, very bad taste. The team is called the Pittsburgh Penguins, not the Pittsburgh Reebok Boys. The fact that EVERY NBA team has the same warm ups pisses me off. the NBA has become entirely too “templated”. for those of you dont understand my made up words, what i mean is that the uniforms in the NBA look like they are based on the same template, the only thing that changes are the colors and names. I actually like the fact that there is only one company aloud to outfit the leagues. Just dont whore yourself out on the players themselves. Do it like the MLB. keep it quiet and discreet on the uniforms and whore it out throughout the stadiums and in the media. all in all, you need “the shield” (nfl logo) on every piece of official NFL merch that is for sale to the public. what you dont need is the outfitters’ logo. sorry reebok.

  • TC Mark | January 14, 2010 at 9:15 am |

    [quote comment=”372105″]The update to the Big10/11/12 helmets was pretty good. I think a better make-over for Penn State would be to keep the white helmet and add the profile Nittany Lion logo (http://www.oldstate....). That may even work with a solid blue helmet also. I’m a Nits fan, and this may be considered heretical thinking, but a little updating would be nice.[/quote]

    I applaud the effort on the BigTeleven helmets (love the BigTeleven name too). But I don’t think the majority were an improvement. And as a Gopher fan – no way would the cartoon head work. The current helmet is simple and works IMHO. They keep tinkering with the “M” itself from time to time (outline, double outline, no outline) for no apparent or good reason.

    The Gopher unis however…different story. Not as bad as the EKG unis from a few years back but what a mess currently.

  • LI Phil | January 14, 2010 at 9:19 am |

    i enjoyed the big 11 helmet reworks, and a couple might actually work, if you wanted to ruin the tradition involved; good ideas that will never see the playing field…nice thinking outside the box

    one question came to mind…if by some chance sconie changed their lid, would they still be able to sue every high school in the country for motion w infringement?

  • scott | January 14, 2010 at 9:23 am |

    [quote comment=”372107″]okay here is my two cents towards the topic o the day…

    i have always seen the Team to League relationship as kind of a “state to country” relationship. every school room, court room, auditorium, gym, has at the very least the american flag, and sometimes even the state flag as well. i have no problem with the league putting its logo on the apparel of the teams that make it up. its like a stamp of approval almost. if there is one thing i hate, its fake, phony, replica-esque, cheap looking apparel. a little silhouette of jerry west on the shoulder of a jersey is not in bad taste. However, annoying adidas and reebok logos are in very, very, very, very bad taste. The team is called the Pittsburgh Penguins, not the Pittsburgh Reebok Boys. The fact that EVERY NBA team has the same warm ups pisses me off. the NBA has become entirely too “templated”. for those of you dont understand my made up words, what i mean is that the uniforms in the NBA look like they are based on the same template, the only thing that changes are the colors and names. I actually like the fact that there is only one company aloud to outfit the leagues. Just dont whore yourself out on the players themselves. Do it like the MLB. keep it quiet and discreet on the uniforms and whore it out throughout the stadiums and in the media. all in all, you need “the shield” (nfl logo) on every piece of official NFL merch that is for sale to the public. what you dont need is the outfitters’ logo. sorry reebok.[/quote]

    I, too, like the fact that MLB caps since the early 1990s have had the logo imprinted on the back. As you note, it does give a sort of stamp of approval to the merchandise being sold.

  • Ry Co 40 | January 14, 2010 at 9:24 am |

    i need some EMBROIDERED PATCHES made for a project i’m working on, but don’t want to pay an arm & a leg! can anyone out there help me please? anyone know of a good company? anybody own a machine? i’ll do 50 patches if need be! thanks!

  • MPowers1634 | January 14, 2010 at 9:24 am |

    A bit OT, but does anyone have better pics of the Charger’s Vencie Glenn’s modified facemask?

    http://www.phillyfra...
    https://www.beckett....

  • Joe Hilseberg | January 14, 2010 at 9:26 am |

    [quote comment=”372103″]I think I agree with Paul on the team vs league debate. But I want to ask each of you a question: What would you do if your favorite NFL dropped down to the UFL, would you still whole-heartedly support them in the obviously inferior league? Or would you look to make new allegiances in the NFL?[/quote]

    As someone who has gone to Baltimore CFL and Baltimore JV Areana League games I would go with my City! I know what it’s like to have no football, so I will support my local team if that’s what I have to do to see football.

    I’ll still watch NFL on TV, but I doubt I would go to games or buy generic NFL merch.

  • MPowers1634 | January 14, 2010 at 9:28 am |

    Hold that thought…I found one:

    http://tinyurl.com/y...

  • brad keppler | January 14, 2010 at 9:28 am |

    on the BigTeleven “makeover”

    leave it to a michigan fan to try and makeover the big ten unis. The BigTen has one of the best sets of uni’s (as a whole) in the nation. 2nd to only the SEC probably. Those helmets were simply awful. It screams of cheap high school uniforms. Since i have free time, (and im so sure that all of you care) ill give you my rundown on each team:
    Illinois- dont mind it. keep the orange lid with the circle illini logo.
    Northwestern- like the grey lid. put the Wildcat N on there and lose the words. team names do not belong on helmets unless part of the overall design. (i.e.- Steelers, Raiders, Jets)
    Wisconsin- are you crazy? why would u change the W’s unis?
    MSU- they change every year anyway but this is just awful.
    Minnesota- UMs helmet is classic. old school M, no stripe, no cartoons.
    Purdue- not bad for Purdont. like the logo, keep the current colors though
    Indiana- actually not bad. IU will never be a football school. so not bad. i dont mind these.
    Iowa- are you insane? Iowas uni’s are almost identical to those of the steel curtain steelers? why would mess with that?
    Penn State- how dare you change the classic set that is happy valley
    Michigan- even though i hate the school and the entire state for that matter (go bucks) i LOVE their uni’s. let me rephrase that. i loveD their unis back when Nike made them. adidas has added way too many stupid ass stripes.
    Ohio State- yea we dont even need to talk about this. OSUs will never wear red lids again. i know they did with woody but guess what, they dont now. silver domes, green pot stickers. that is ohio state lol. as soon as they go back to the 2002 era unis, everything will be fine.

    there im done. :)

  • Bob | January 14, 2010 at 9:29 am |

    Without a league, there are no teams. Without the NFL, the Pittsburgh Steelers don\’t exist. If the Pittsburgh Steelers logos, uniforms, etc. moved to the UFL, do you really think most of their fans would follow?

  • MPowers1634 | January 14, 2010 at 9:29 am |

    [quote comment=”372114″]Hold that thought…I found one:

    http://tinyurl.com/y...

    Oops:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • War Damn Eagle | January 14, 2010 at 9:37 am |

    [quote comment=”372116″]Without a league, there are no teams. Without the NFL, the Pittsburgh Steelers don\’t exist. If the Pittsburgh Steelers logos, uniforms, etc. moved to the UFL, do you really think most of their fans would follow?[/quote]

    Yes, I think Steelers fans would follow their team, wherever they went. We’re talking about the die-hards. And that’s probably 80% of their fanbase. The bandwagon people, who only follow them b/c they have to root for a team that’s always good . . . they’d move on to some other bandwagon.

    I’m not from Pittsburgh, but it seems to me those people are pretty serious about their Stillers.

  • Paul Lukas | January 14, 2010 at 9:40 am |

    [quote comment=”372117″][quote comment=”372114″]Hold that thought…I found one:

    http://tinyurl.com/y...

    Oops:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    I wasn’t familiar with this mask. Do you know the story behind it, Matt? I like that he’s a “1987 Record Breaker” — for biggest mask in the league, I assume.

  • Bernard | January 14, 2010 at 9:46 am |

    [quote comment=”372119″][quote comment=”372117″][quote comment=”372114″]Hold that thought…I found one:

    http://tinyurl.com/y...

    Oops:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    I wasn’t familiar with this mask. Do you know the story behind it, Matt? I like that he’s a “1987 Record Breaker” — for biggest mask in the league, I assume.[/quote]

    Speaking of record breakers, two successful links in one comment (#17) out of Powers. Nice job!

  • Jet | January 14, 2010 at 9:50 am |

    Hey, let’s just declare today a “snow day”, “national holiday”, whatever… and kick back and drink in that AFL championship game on Youtube!!!

    -Jet

  • JTH | January 14, 2010 at 9:50 am |

    RE: Pierson Prioleau wearing #31 for the Saints (from a comment posted late last night)

    Jonathan Vilma wears #51. Isn’t that also retired for Sam Mills?

  • Jet | January 14, 2010 at 9:51 am |

    [quote comment=”372104″]I just received this via theofficial Kiss Twitter:

    “custom-painted KISS football helmets”
    http://www.facebook....

    The fact that you even recieve the official Kiss Twitter is profoundly disturbing…

  • JTH | January 14, 2010 at 9:52 am |

    Oops. Bad link to last night’s comment.

    Better?

  • Ry Co 40 | January 14, 2010 at 9:54 am |

    [quote comment=”372118″][quote comment=”372116″]Without a league, there are no teams. Without the NFL, the Pittsburgh Steelers don\’t exist. If the Pittsburgh Steelers logos, uniforms, etc. moved to the UFL, do you really think most of their fans would follow?[/quote]

    Yes, I think Steelers fans would follow their team, wherever they went. We’re talking about the die-hards. And that’s probably 80% of their fanbase. The bandwagon people, who only follow them b/c they have to root for a team that’s always good . . . they’d move on to some other bandwagon.

    I’m not from Pittsburgh, but it seems to me those people are pretty serious about their Stillers.[/quote]

    oh yeah! much like packers fans, we’d follow our team anywhere! lol. but why does it have to be the UFL? what if the CFL branched out and adopted the steelers and packers?

  • MG12 | January 14, 2010 at 9:56 am |

    I do think that it is nice to see some consistency when it comes to team uniforms in the same league. I am not sure that this means that all uniforms should be produced by the same manufacturer, but some consistent design elements are a good feature.

    I don’t think that this would translate to the NFL, but I tend to think that the English Premier League Football (soccer here state-side) has a nice protocol. The teams can use any manufacturer they want, use any color-scheme or kit design. The one design element that ties it together is the NOB, and number font. They even feature the league’s crest in the jersey numbers. I have always though that this made that entire league look like pure class.

    Of course there are other league-wide restrictions and kit design rules, but for the most part the uniforms look completely different, but tend to really work well together.

  • Jet | January 14, 2010 at 9:57 am |

    That Tiger Woods Gatorade thing reminds me of how I used to bust the manager’s balls years ago as a signpainter in a sign shop. One time he leased a Coke machine for the shop (after a bimbo saleswoman practically parked her breasts on his desk) and I took some red and white paint and changed “Coke” to “Puke”.

    Another time I took his container of Slim Fast diet powder and repainted it to say “Stay Fat.” Yes, I spent a lot of time with Wacky Packages as a kid….

    -Jet

  • War Damn Eagle | January 14, 2010 at 10:00 am |

    [quote comment=”372125″][quote comment=”372118″][quote comment=”372116″]Without a league, there are no teams. Without the NFL, the Pittsburgh Steelers don\’t exist. If the Pittsburgh Steelers logos, uniforms, etc. moved to the UFL, do you really think most of their fans would follow?[/quote]

    Yes, I think Steelers fans would follow their team, wherever they went. We’re talking about the die-hards. And that’s probably 80% of their fanbase. The bandwagon people, who only follow them b/c they have to root for a team that’s always good . . . they’d move on to some other bandwagon.

    I’m not from Pittsburgh, but it seems to me those people are pretty serious about their Stillers.[/quote]

    oh yeah! much like packers fans, we’d follow our team anywhere! lol. but why does it have to be the UFL? what if the CFL branched out and adopted the steelers and packers?[/quote]

    I think the Steelers brand is so strong, that it would validate any league that they moved to. If for some strange reason the Steelers left for the CFL, the CFL would become a MUCH bigger deal to American sports fans . . . and ESPN. The same could be said for the Cowboys, Patriots, Peyton Manning’s Colts, and any team Brett Favre plays for.

  • LI Phil | January 14, 2010 at 10:06 am |

    [quote comment=”372125″]what if the CFL branched out and adopted the steelers and packers?[/quote]

    the vikings would have at least one super bowl ring?

  • KT | January 14, 2010 at 10:10 am |

    I actually have the DVD of that ’62 AFL Championship Game. It’s epic. Curt Gowdy on the call. Jack Buck on the sidelines. There’s a classic moment at halftime where Commissioner Joe Foss honors the players of the year and Len Dawson has to be out there on the field to receive a car or something – at halftime of the championship game of the league!

  • Beardface | January 14, 2010 at 10:17 am |

    [quote comment=”372103″]I think I agree with Paul on the team vs league debate. But I want to ask each of you a question: What would you do if your favorite NFL dropped down to the UFL, would you still whole-heartedly support them in the obviously inferior league? Or would you look to make new allegiances in the NFL?

    I think that’s the basis of the NFL’s argument. That in the current landscape they are essentially the only real game in town. Without the NFL support where would a team turn that would fill a stadium with 80,000 people on a weekly basis? Maybe if we get a secondary league that becomes large enough to actually compete with the NFL will their argument lose all validity.[/quote]
    There is no other league because the NFL monopolized the market by merging with the AFL and forcing other leagues like the WFL and USFL to fold.

  • JTH | January 14, 2010 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment=”372125″][quote comment=”372118″][quote comment=”372116″]Without a league, there are no teams. Without the NFL, the Pittsburgh Steelers don\’t exist. If the Pittsburgh Steelers logos, uniforms, etc. moved to the UFL, do you really think most of their fans would follow?[/quote]

    Yes, I think Steelers fans would follow their team, wherever they went. We’re talking about the die-hards. And that’s probably 80% of their fanbase. The bandwagon people, who only follow them b/c they have to root for a team that’s always good . . . they’d move on to some other bandwagon.

    I’m not from Pittsburgh, but it seems to me those people are pretty serious about their Stillers.[/quote]

    oh yeah! much like packers fans, we’d follow our team anywhere! lol. but why does it have to be the UFL? what if the CFL branched out and adopted the steelers and packers?[/quote]
    Packers fans? Bad analogy. If the Pack dropped out of the NFL, they’d lose their identity. 90% of being a proud Packers fan lies in declaring how much you hate the Vikings and Bears.

  • morgan | January 14, 2010 at 10:24 am |

    I think that the team vs. league arguement isn’t (as just about everything is these days) a black and white issue. To say the Dallas Cowboys’ brand identity would be worthless without the NFL is absurd. If Jerry Jones got fed up with the NFL and started a new league with the Cowboys as the centerpiece, Dallas fans would follow. Other teams with less of a storied past such as Jacksonville or say the Chicago/St.Louis/Arizona Cardinals most certainly do get a huge assist by being affiliated with the NFL.

    Not that this point helps the Supreme Court case in any way…

  • War Damn Eagle | January 14, 2010 at 10:24 am |

    The Vikings are already located in Canada, right? :)

  • PK | January 14, 2010 at 10:27 am |

    The return of the Whalers? Would the NHL allow for the logo to be used?

    http://www.nbcconnec...

  • Perry | January 14, 2010 at 10:29 am |

    [quote comment=”372115″]on the BigTeleven “makeover”

    Ohio State- yea we dont even need to talk about this. OSUs will never wear red lids again. i know they did with woody but guess what, they dont now. silver domes, green pot stickers. that is ohio state lol. as soon as they go back to the 2002 era unis, everything will be fine.

    there im done. :)[/quote]

    I agree on no red (or scarlet, technically) helmets for the Buckeyes, but I’d like to see them change from silver back to gray. Since gray is, you know, the actual school color.

  • Ry Co 40 | January 14, 2010 at 10:30 am |

    [quote comment=”372132″][quote comment=”372125″][quote comment=”372118″][quote comment=”372116″]Without a league, there are no teams. Without the NFL, the Pittsburgh Steelers don\’t exist. If the Pittsburgh Steelers logos, uniforms, etc. moved to the UFL, do you really think most of their fans would follow?[/quote]

    Yes, I think Steelers fans would follow their team, wherever they went. We’re talking about the die-hards. And that’s probably 80% of their fanbase. The bandwagon people, who only follow them b/c they have to root for a team that’s always good . . . they’d move on to some other bandwagon.

    I’m not from Pittsburgh, but it seems to me those people are pretty serious about their Stillers.[/quote]

    oh yeah! much like packers fans, we’d follow our team anywhere! lol. but why does it have to be the UFL? what if the CFL branched out and adopted the steelers and packers?[/quote]
    Packers fans? Bad analogy. If the Pack dropped out of the NFL, they’d lose their identity. 90% of being a proud Packers fan lies in declaring how much you hate the Vikings and Bears.[/quote]

    oh. i just used them as an example because i know their fans travel well…

  • Alex | January 14, 2010 at 10:32 am |

    Paul, I think you’re right in the way an exclusive manufacturer like Reebok affects the uniforms.

    Just look at their deal with the NHL. They’ve taken many of the uniforms and made them cookie-cutter (Avs, Panthers, Oilers just to name a few). And it boggles the mind considering the beautiful job they’ve done for teams like the Bruins.

    I love soccer and the many different uniforms, but even with the few major manufacturers (especially with the top leagues) they have, those are pretty much cookie cutter as well. Especially when they come out with a new kit every 2 years.

  • Perry | January 14, 2010 at 10:34 am |

    One man’s guerilla art is another man’s federal crime: They’re charging the Gatorade bottle guy with product tampering (even though he did nothing to the product inside the bottle). Charges are introducing a misbranded product into interstate commerce, altering food labels while the product was for sale, and intent to cause serious injury to the business by tainting a consumer product. Charges carry a max 5-year prison term and $450K in fines.

    Sheesh.

    http://www.denverpos...

  • JTH | January 14, 2010 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment=”372115″]on the BigTeleven “makeover”

    leave it to a michigan fan to try and makeover the big ten unis. The BigTen has one of the best sets of uni’s (as a whole) in the nation. 2nd to only the SEC probably. Those helmets were simply awful. It screams of cheap high school uniforms. Since i have free time, (and im so sure that all of you care) ill give you my rundown on each team:
    Illinois- dont mind it. keep the orange lid with the circle illini logo.
    [/quote]
    Invert the colors (orange with blue facemask) or just change the facemask to blue and this one might be the best of the bunch.
    [quote comment=”372115″]
    Northwestern- like the grey lid. put the Wildcat N on there and lose the words. team names do not belong on helmets unless part of the overall design. (i.e.- Steelers, Raiders, Jets)
    [/quote]
    Gray helmet is interesting. Maybe with the current N logo?
    [quote comment=”372115″]
    Wisconsin- are you crazy? why would u change the W’s unis?
    [/quote]
    Better question, if you’re going to redesign the helmet, why would you keep the Motion W on it?
    [quote comment=”372115″]
    MSU- they change every year anyway but this is just awful.[/quote]
    Just awful? I don’t know about that. Too cluttered, for sure.
    [quote comment=”372115″]
    Minnesota- UMs helmet is classic. old school M, no stripe, no cartoons.[/quote]
    Agreed. Nothing wrong with the current helmets.
    [quote comment=”372115″]
    Purdue- not bad for Purdont. like the logo, keep the current colors though[/quote]
    Again, the redesigned logo is too cluttered. Keep the simple P logo.
    [quote comment=”372115″]
    Indiana- actually not bad. IU will never be a football school. so not bad. i dont mind these.[/quote]
    So it’s a basketball school, why does that warrant a change from a design that works just fine as is to one that’s, once again, cluttered?
    [quote comment=”372115″]
    Iowa- are you insane? Iowas uni’s are almost identical to those of the steel curtain steelers? why would mess with that?[/quote]
    I wouldn’t mind this one. It would set them apart from the Steelers, at least.
    [quote comment=”372115″]
    Penn State- how dare you change the classic set that is happy valley[/quote]
    Yep. Change for change’s sake.
    [quote comment=”372115″]
    Michigan- even though i hate the school and the entire state for that matter (go bucks) i LOVE their uni’s. let me rephrase that. i loveD their unis back when Nike made them. adidas has added way too many stupid ass stripes.[/quote]
    Michigan has ass stripes? Huh. I’ve never noticed that.
    [quote comment=”372115″]
    Ohio State- yea we dont even need to talk about this. OSUs will never wear red lids again. i know they did with woody but guess what, they dont now. silver domes, green pot stickers. that is ohio state lol. as soon as they go back to the 2002 era unis, everything will be fine.

    there im done. :)[/quote]
    I have no problem with the red helmet, but the wordmark is just another unnecessarily cluttered design.

  • Ricko | January 14, 2010 at 10:40 am |

    NFL presenting itself as one entity?

    Tough to point their revenue sharing as proof of that when American Needle could introduce all those public statements from Jerry Jones about how it has to stop.

    That would seem to indicate separate entities, no?

    Aw, hell, I dunno, this subject has been bandied about for a long time.

    I do know that during one of the work stoppages, the players staged games of their own (mostly was the Gold team against the White team, as I recall). They were televised, but I think the camera crew outnumbered the paying customers.

    Allegiances are to teams, primarily. That’s the bedrock of all pro leagues. And after that comes, yes, “I love NFL football”, etc….but generally the entry point is a team.

    “If the Steelers dropped to the UFL…”?
    What, we think this in English soccer?
    “If an elephant stood on its nose and played ‘Layla’ on the zither…”

    Anyway, will be interesting to see what the ruling turns out to be.

    Damn, American Needle could get more money than USFL.
    Of course, wouldn’t take much.

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | January 14, 2010 at 10:46 am |

    [quote comment=”372135″]The return of the Whalers? Would the NHL allow for the logo to be used?

    http://www.nbcconnec...

    They already have their own logo.

  • Hott Rodd | January 14, 2010 at 10:47 am |

    I dunno why, but the NFL v American Needle just seems to remind me of Taco Bell from ‘Demolition Man’..

  • murph | January 14, 2010 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment=”372139″]One man’s guerilla art is another man’s federal crime: They’re charging the Gatorade bottle guy with product tampering (even though he did nothing to the product inside the bottle).[/quote]

    TSG has the affidavits

    http://www.thesmokin...

  • Ross | January 14, 2010 at 10:52 am |

    Regarding the Big Ten Helmet update… it would be cool if the Northwestern helmet was purple with a white Northwestern Stripe down the middle. Something similar to what the Eagles wore on the 75th anniversary throwback.

    http://board.spawn.c...

  • PK | January 14, 2010 at 10:53 am |

    [quote comment=”372142″][quote comment=”372135″]The return of the Whalers? Would the NHL allow for the logo to be used?

    http://www.nbcconnec...

    They already have their own logo.[/quote]

    Damn Teebz…nothing gets by you does it? :)
    (wish Henrik stopped just one more shot against the Devils the other night…)

    Teebz: With yet ANOTHER low-level minor league in this economy, is this one doomed to fail?

    And on a uni-note: will there ever be a (non-mafia) team with uni’s as memorable as the Danbury Trashers?

  • EricRomain | January 14, 2010 at 10:54 am |

    The NHL/AHL/OHL/QMJHL/WHL have certainly suffered from a central uniform supplier. It’s killing diversity in uniform design. It’s so annoying to see a dozen teams in the NHL alone with the exact same shoulder yoke pattern (and this is me ignoring glaringly wrong things like the bettman bib and the reebox).

  • Tom | January 14, 2010 at 10:56 am |

    A Chicago sports radio station has two old highlight videos from a 1969 Bears v Browns game. IN COLOR!

  • JTH | January 14, 2010 at 10:57 am |

    [quote comment=”372148″]A Chicago sports radio station has two old highlight videos from a 1969 Bears v Browns game. IN COLOR![/quote]
    On the radio?

  • Tom | January 14, 2010 at 10:57 am |

    [quote comment=”372148″]A Chicago sports radio station has two old highlight videos from a 1969 Bears v Browns game. IN COLOR![/quote]

    Forgot the links. Oops.

    http://www.670thesco...

  • Teebz | January 14, 2010 at 10:58 am |

    [quote comment=”372146″][quote comment=”372142″][quote comment=”372135″]The return of the Whalers? Would the NHL allow for the logo to be used?

    http://www.nbcconnec...

    They already have their own logo.[/quote]

    Damn Teebz…nothing gets by you does it? :)
    (wish Henrik stopped just one more shot against the Devils the other night…)

    Teebz: With yet ANOTHER low-level minor league in this economy, is this one doomed to fail?

    And on a uni-note: will there ever be a (non-mafia) team with uni’s as memorable as the Danbury Trashers?[/quote]

    Honestly, there are teams that aren’t doing so well in some of the upper-level minor leagues. Abbotsford, the AHL affiliate of the Flames, built a brand-new arena for the team, and is only averaging about 3500 fans per game. For a brand-new team in town, that’s not so good.

    However, with the Manitoba Moose visiting Abootsford, BC this week, the Heat sold out both games for the first time in their history. Why? The Moose are the AHL affiliate for the Vancouver Canucks. The crowd was almost entirely pro-Moose.

    The Iowa Stars, the Iowa Chops, the Edmonton Roadrunners – all AHL teams that folded in the last five years.

    The market has been saturated, I believe. It’s time for some of these smaller leagues to start merging and working together. The AHL/IHL merger did wonders for the AHL, and the ECHL has remained fairly strong with the absorption of the WCHL. Precedent is there… it just takes some forward thinking.

  • TC Mark | January 14, 2010 at 11:01 am |

    [quote comment=”372134″]The Vikings are already located in Canada, right? :)[/quote]

    “No but we can see it from our houses” (paraphrasing Tina fey/Sarah Palin comment)

  • TC Mark | January 14, 2010 at 11:03 am |

    [quote comment=”372148″]A Chicago sports radio station has two old highlight videos from a 1969 Bears v Browns game. IN COLOR![/quote]

    Always nice when a RADIO station has color video. I assume you mean on their web site. A little hard to appreciate the color over the radio airwaves.

    There is a radio station in central MN that for some time has proudly announced their weather forecasts as “color weather radar”. Nice selling point on radio.

  • Teebz | January 14, 2010 at 11:04 am |

    [quote comment=”372152″][quote comment=”372134″]The Vikings are already located in Canada, right? :)[/quote]

    “No but we can see it from our houses” (paraphrasing Tina fey/Sarah Palin comment)[/quote]

    I’m invading next weekend. Be prepared.

  • mtjaws | January 14, 2010 at 11:04 am |

    On those Big 10 helmet ideas, that Indiana helmet with the state outline and “I” actually looks alright. Good improvement.

    I hate the team, but I would love to see Penn State modernize with that oval cat logo on the helmet, like Hank suggested above. But helmet numbers would be much worse than the blank whites they have now.

    And Iowa would improve by getting away from their Steelers copycats. I don’t like either team, so they need to be different!

    The Illinois headdress helmet looks ok, but probably wouldn’t be allowed. At least we know what that one looks like now.

    The rest of the prototype helmets didn’t look as good as the current ones, so I didn’t like them. The Northwestern one was the worst though. Their N logo is great.

    New ideas are interesting to check out, good or bad. We all have our opinions, and those are mine.

  • BuckeyeMark | January 14, 2010 at 11:05 am |

    for all those arguing that if their NFL team up and moved to another league their fans would follow to this new league perhaps we should remember the last strike when replacement players played … and attendance fell on its face most places.

    there is something to the NFL brand. like it or not, it signifies the highest level of football in the world.

    if Jerry picks up the Cowboys and plops them into the CFL (there will be rejoicing in Canada and in Philadelphia) but it’s not going to be the same and we all know it and his franchise will lose value.

    am I a fan of the NFL? well, sorta. I will watch all the playoff games this weekend, not just the Cowboys-Vikes game. but I am more of a Cowboys fan than an NFL fan.

    but I wouldn’t disagree that the Cowboys need the league. and I don’t mind them wearing the NFL shield (in whatever form). what I hate is the endless corporate logos on everything. IT’S NOT NASCAR!!!

  • TC Mark | January 14, 2010 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”372123″][quote comment=”372104″]I just received this via theofficial Kiss Twitter:

    “custom-painted KISS football helmets”
    http://www.facebook....

    The fact that you even recieve the official Kiss Twitter is profoundly disturbing…[/quote]

    Why disturbing? Many – many – more disturbing things going out over Twitter. Like what Ashton Kutcher is up to at any given moment.

  • Rob | January 14, 2010 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment=”372097″]I guess I’ve never seen all of the AFC East’s white helmets in the same image before, but I can see why the Jets and Bills changed in the late 70’s / early 80’s.[/quote]

    No kidding. That is a lot of white.

    The story I heard about why the Bills changed to their red helmets was because their quarterback at the time was color blind, so going to the red helmets would help him distinguish his teammates from the other division rivals.

  • Teebz | January 14, 2010 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment=”372156″]
    if Jerry picks up the Cowboys and plops them into the CFL (there will be rejoicing in Canada and in Philadelphia) but it’s not going to be the same and we all know it and his franchise will lose value.
    [/quote]

    Know your fans. Canada would not rejoice. In fact, the CFL has a solid following in Canada because it’s not the NFL.

  • BuckeyeMark | January 14, 2010 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment=\”372115\”]on the BigTeleven \”makeover\”

    leave it to a michigan fan to try and makeover the big ten unis. The BigTen has one of the best sets of uni\’s (as a whole) in the nation. 2nd to only the SEC probably. Those helmets were simply awful. It screams of cheap high school uniforms. [/quote]

    X1000000000000000000000

    Leave the Big Ten alone … and NO MICHIGAN FAN SHOULD EVER TAMPER with the Buck’s helmets. what would a Michigan fan know about designing a helmet for a WINNING TEAM?

    further (and it’s pretty hard to say this as a Buckeye fan) Michigan’s helmet is a classic. the fact that you redesigned it means you must march down to Big House and turn in all your fan gear at once. you’re done! blasphemy isn’t a strong enough word for what you’ve done to your own school and the rest of the Big Ten!

  • The Jeff | January 14, 2010 at 11:10 am |

    I’m not going to get into the legal issues… I’ve had that argument too many times on other sites and it never really goes anywhere…

    But I will say that the apparent sameness of modern uniforms and logos has nothing to do with Reebok. Pat the Patriot and the old Broncos D were both replaced by streamlined logos long before the NFL was using an exclusive uniform supplier. The blame falls on modern design trends and computerized artwork. For good or bad, the hand-drawn logo is dead.

  • matt in cleveland | January 14, 2010 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”372143″]I dunno why, but the NFL v American Needle just seems to remind me of Taco Bell from ‘Demolition Man’..[/quote]
    that about somes it up who knew the world could be helped by early 1990’s films…awsome…
    my thoughts on this NFL thing:
    1. simple more money my belief is goodell is a horrible commish and a self rightous douche
    2. think this has anything to do with the up coming union contract? damn right it does. the NFL are gonna try to screw the players union big

    last thing uni wise reebok nfl unis suck nuff said. they basically teplated all 4 types of jerseys the scholars at weebok can think of so the 12 year old arabian kids making them can color within the lines and then if you go for a redo ala the jags they give you a template of two or three pieces of crap to pick from. it just sucks. i mean even the capt patches are the same and in the same stupid spot.

  • Ry Co 40 | January 14, 2010 at 11:15 am |

    look at the socks in this pic of mcguire and jose:

    http://sportsillustr...

  • Giancarlo | January 14, 2010 at 11:18 am |

    The one germ of truth in the NFL lawyer’s argument & the one hole in Paul’s is that there is technically no game for an NFL team to play if the league doesn’t exist, since the NFL has essentially created pro football as it is over time through the codification of its rules. In fact, only two NFL teams predate the formation of the league (Cardinals & Packers). It might be more reasonable to view the NFL’s relationship to its teams as akin to FIFA’s relationship to international soccer teams. Which means, ideally, that of a distant regulatory body rather than an intrusive corporate meddler.

  • MPowers1634 | January 14, 2010 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment=”372163″]look at the socks in this pic of mcguire and jose:

    http://sportsillustr...

    What a great picture this is:
    http://i.cdn.turner....

  • leon | January 14, 2010 at 11:25 am |

    Love the Illinois helmet, although IMO it should be rotated about 10-15 degrees.

  • MPowers1634 | January 14, 2010 at 11:26 am |

    [quote comment=”372165″][quote comment=”372163″]look at the socks in this pic of mcguire and jose:

    http://sportsillustr...

    What a great picture this is:
    http://i.cdn.turner....

    Which reminds me…the Big Televen has many teams with Riddell only helmet supplies:

    1. Wisconsin
    2. Purdue
    3. tOSU
    4. Indiana
    5. Iowa
    6. Northwestern

    Not a single Schutt to be found on any of those teams…Strange

  • leon | January 14, 2010 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment=”372163″]look at the socks in this pic of mcguire and jose:

    http://sportsillustr...

    Available at Ambercrombie & Fitch.

  • MPowers1634 | January 14, 2010 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment=”372167″][quote comment=”372165″][quote comment=”372163″]look at the socks in this pic of mcguire and jose:

    http://sportsillustr...

    What a great picture this is:
    http://i.cdn.turner....

    Which reminds me…the Big Televen has many teams with Riddell only helmet supplies:

    1. Wisconsin
    2. Purdue
    3. tOSU
    4. Indiana
    5. Iowa
    6. Northwestern

    Not a single Schutt to be found on any of those teams…Strange[/quote]

    Remove Northwestern from this list:

    http://grfx.cstv.com...

  • Jet | January 14, 2010 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”372147″]The NHL/AHL/OHL/QMJHL/WHL have certainly suffered from a central uniform supplier. It’s killing diversity in uniform design. It’s so annoying to see a dozen teams in the NHL alone with the exact same shoulder yoke pattern (and this is me ignoring glaringly wrong things like the bettman bib and the reebox).[/quote]

    Agreed!

  • Paul Lukas | January 14, 2010 at 11:33 am |

    Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Perry | January 14, 2010 at 11:37 am |

    If Ohio State wanted to honor Woody, I suppose they could make their helmets mimic the baseball cap that was his trademark: black, with a scarlet block “O” outlined in white.

    But I think what I’d like best is gray with a scarlet block “O,” and lose the stickers.

  • Jon | January 14, 2010 at 11:39 am |

    While I see what you’re saying in your argument about fans rooting for teams and not leagues, it is the leagues that give those teams value. You’re right, I only ever buy Baltimore Ravens merchandise. I don’t think I’ve ever bought an NFL logo t-shirt. However, if my beloved Ravens played in the Arena League, I really don’t think I would care about them as much. I’ll be quite honest, I not only did not watch a single UFL game, I can’t even name any of their teams. The Dallas Cowboys have incredble brand identity and loyalty, but they are given credibility by their association with the NFL. If the broke off and joined the UFL, how many of their millions of fans would be left in 3 years?

  • Jet | January 14, 2010 at 11:40 am |

    Here’s the rest of the logos from that new Federal Hockey League that the Danbury Whalers are playing in (only 4 teams):

    http://www.thefedera...

    http://www.thefedera...

    there’s an Ottawa team with no info announced yet. These two logos – eh. The Whalers is the best of the three so far…

    -Jet

  • JTH | January 14, 2010 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment=”372164″]In fact, only two NFL teams predate the formation of the league (Cardinals & Packers).[/quote]
    Actually, that’s not quite correct. Contrary to official team/league records, George Halas did not truly found the Chicago Bears/Decatur Staleys in 1920. The Staleys were formed as an AE Staley company team in 1919. In 1920, Halas took the team over and it became a charter member of the NFL.

    Of course, as far as the NFL is concerned, the Staleys didn’t exist before it did.

    Unless you were saying that there were only two teams playing professionally before the league was formed, in which case, then, like, nevermind.

  • chance michaels | January 14, 2010 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”372171″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...
    Holy.

    COW!

  • Ricko | January 14, 2010 at 11:53 am |

    Ticker said…

    “Pure gold now available on YouTube: the entire 1962 AFL Championship Game, an all-Texas affair between the Oilers and the Texans. Good luck getting anything done today, Ricko!”

    Well, this evening, for sure.
    Looking forward to seeing Abner Haynes, Charlie Hennigan, George Blanda and all them again. Remember watching that game. Remember the coin flip for overtime, too. Remember thinking, “Huh???””

    (Won’t explain for those who don’t know the story and intend to watch.)

    —Ricko

  • JimWa | January 14, 2010 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment=”372165″][quote comment=”372163″]look at the socks in this pic of mcguire and jose:

    http://sportsillustr...

    What a great picture this is:
    http://i.cdn.turner....

    I have so many logistical issues with that photo, I don’t know where to begin. Like watching Avatar, however, suspending reality, I quite like it!

  • JimV19 | January 14, 2010 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”372125″][quote comment=”372118″][quote comment=”372116″]Without a league, there are no teams. Without the NFL, the Pittsburgh Steelers don\’t exist. If the Pittsburgh Steelers logos, uniforms, etc. moved to the UFL, do you really think most of their fans would follow?[/quote]

    Yes, I think Steelers fans would follow their team, wherever they went. We’re talking about the die-hards. And that’s probably 80% of their fanbase. The bandwagon people, who only follow them b/c they have to root for a team that’s always good . . . they’d move on to some other bandwagon.

    I’m not from Pittsburgh, but it seems to me those people are pretty serious about their Stillers.[/quote]

    oh yeah! much like packers fans, we’d follow our team anywhere! lol. but why does it have to be the UFL? what if the CFL branched out and adopted the steelers and packers?[/quote]

    I would take that in a second! My two favorite NFL teams in my favorite football league? Awesome idea.

    I’d follow them to the UFL as well. At least someone would have good-looking unis there…

  • JimV19 | January 14, 2010 at 12:01 pm |

    I’m not an MSU fan, but I LOVE this helmet:
    http://2.bp.blogspot...

    The Iowa and Penn State ones looked cool as well…but that doesn’t mean I want to see PSU adopt it.

  • JimV19 | January 14, 2010 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”372177″]Ticker said…

    “Pure gold now available on YouTube: the entire 1962 AFL Championship Game, an all-Texas affair between the Oilers and the Texans. Good luck getting anything done today, Ricko!”

    Well, this evening, for sure.
    Looking forward to seeing Abner Haynes, Charlie Hennigan, George Blanda and all them again. Remember watching that game. Remember the coin flip for overtime, too. Remember thinking, “Huh???””

    (Won’t explain for those who don’t know the story and intend to watch.)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’ve read about that game – can’t wait to actually see it.

  • LI Phil | January 14, 2010 at 12:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”372161″]I’m not going to get into the legal issues… I’ve had that argument too many times on other sites and it never really goes anywhere…[/quote]

    you owe me a new keyboard

  • leon | January 14, 2010 at 12:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”372171″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Funny, all I kept thinking while reading the article was “please don’t let Dan Snyder see this”. I don’t care for the design and the Skins prototype reminds me of Yosemite Sam’s eyebrows. Cool story, though.

  • scott | January 14, 2010 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”372176″][quote comment=”372171″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...
    Holy.

    COW![/quote]

    Good detective work! I’m always amazed at how the NFL has done such a great job of preserving broadcast footage. I wonder if an MLB game of the week from 1989 would be so readily available.

  • matt in cleveland | January 14, 2010 at 12:18 pm |

    nice article. just trying to imagine the red tape the nfl would put up for any alt helmets

  • Glen S | January 14, 2010 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”372111″]i need some EMBROIDERED PATCHES made for a project i’m working on, but don’t want to pay an arm & a leg! can anyone out there help me please? anyone know of a good company? anybody own a machine? i’ll do 50 patches if need be! thanks![/quote]

    I might be able to help you out. Can you send me some of the details. shersports@hotmail.com Thanks

  • Kek | January 14, 2010 at 12:24 pm |

    The talk about common templates in sports uniforms reminds me a little of the demise of character in NASCAR. Once upon a time, you had multiple manufactures (chevy, ford, pontiac, buick, olds) racing and the cars actually somewhat resembled the car that was on the road. Hence the old adage “win on Sunday, sell on Monday”.

    Somewhere in the mid 90s, the body types of the cars started to get very similar looking, even with chevy, ford and pontiac all being involved.

    Now, you have this car of tomorrow which is a box on wheels and even though with toyota you have four different makers, the cars look exactly the same, it’s the engine under the hood that’s different.

  • BuckeyeMark | January 14, 2010 at 12:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”372185″]nice article. just trying to imagine the red tape the nfl would put up for any alt helmets[/quote]

    until someone in marketing figures out alt helmets could mean fans buying lots of alt helmet replicas….

  • JimV19 | January 14, 2010 at 12:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”372116″]Without a league, there are no teams. Without the NFL, the Pittsburgh Steelers don\’t exist. If the Pittsburgh Steelers logos, uniforms, etc. moved to the UFL, do you really think most of their fans would follow?[/quote]

    Look at European soccer. When a team, say in England, gets relegated from the Premier League to the Championship League, do you think most of that teams’ fans defect to another EPL team? Heck no. They follow the team no matter what, even if they get relegated again the following year to Division I. Say to a Newcastle United fan, “Well, since your team’s been demoted you might as well root for Sunderland this year,” and see how far you get with all your teeth intact.

    Ever since they bullied the USFL out of existence (yeah, Trump helped, too) the NFL as a single entity gets little sympathy from me. The Steelers could go to the CFL, UFL or start their own league. I’d follow them.

  • Jeff | January 14, 2010 at 12:32 pm |

    Satin shorts with cotton tops?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Unknown teams, but Paul’s gotta love those sleeves:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • KC | January 14, 2010 at 12:35 pm |

    Paul,
    Congrats on tracking down the white whale. It’s an excellent story and properly fills in the blanks on what was just a distant memory from long ago. Great, great work.

  • JTH | January 14, 2010 at 12:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”372189″][quote comment=”372116″]Without a league, there are no teams. Without the NFL, the Pittsburgh Steelers don\’t exist. If the Pittsburgh Steelers logos, uniforms, etc. moved to the UFL, do you really think most of their fans would follow?[/quote]

    Look at European soccer. When a team, say in England, gets relegated from the Premier League to the Championship League, do you think most of that teams’ fans defect to another EPL team? Heck no. They follow the team no matter what, even if they get relegated again the following year to Division I. Say to a Newcastle United fan, “Well, since your team’s been demoted you might as well root for Sunderland this year,” and see how far you get with all your teeth intact.

    Ever since they bullied the USFL out of existence (yeah, Trump helped, too) the NFL as a single entity gets little sympathy from me. The Steelers could go to the CFL, UFL or start their own league. I’d follow them.[/quote]
    That’s a bit of an apples/oranges comparison, though.

    Relegation isn’t a one-way process. There’s also promotion that goes along with it. So, using your example, if Newcastle United gets relegated at the end of the season, there’s still a chance that it’ll get promoted back to the EPL the following year.

    For the Steelers to jump to the CFL or UFL, they’d have to completely sever ties with the NFL.

  • Joe Hilseberg | January 14, 2010 at 12:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”372171″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    So what is your new White Whale?

  • JimV19 | January 14, 2010 at 12:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”372171″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Congratulations on hunting down your elusive “white whale.” You going to rest for a while, or pick up the chase for something else?

  • Christopher | January 14, 2010 at 12:42 pm |

    I don’t think the argument is strictly a black-and-white “are you rooting for the team because they’re in the NFL, or are you rooting for the team regardless”.

    You root for the team first, and you’re a fan of the league second. At least that’s what I think.

    Either way, the NFL argument is just plain silly. Teams *are* individual companies. They just are.

    Plus, it is CLEARLY a monopoly, or at least “restraint of trade.”

    The NFL is an industry in and of itself. By prohibiting everyone but Reebok from licensing your products, you’re basically putting companies out of business.

  • LI Phil | January 14, 2010 at 12:43 pm |

    please refer to paul as Ishmael from now on

  • Christopher | January 14, 2010 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”372193″][quote comment=”372171″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    So what is your new White Whale?[/quote]

    Did we every figure out why MLB all stars had numbers on paper pinned to the backs of their jerseys yet?

    Good question- I wonder what the top 5, 10, whatever “white wales” exist in uni-world.

  • JimV19 | January 14, 2010 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”372192″][quote comment=”372189″][quote comment=”372116″]Without a league, there are no teams. Without the NFL, the Pittsburgh Steelers don\’t exist. If the Pittsburgh Steelers logos, uniforms, etc. moved to the UFL, do you really think most of their fans would follow?[/quote]

    Look at European soccer. When a team, say in England, gets relegated from the Premier League to the Championship League, do you think most of that teams’ fans defect to another EPL team? Heck no. They follow the team no matter what, even if they get relegated again the following year to Division I. Say to a Newcastle United fan, “Well, since your team’s been demoted you might as well root for Sunderland this year,” and see how far you get with all your teeth intact.

    Ever since they bullied the USFL out of existence (yeah, Trump helped, too) the NFL as a single entity gets little sympathy from me. The Steelers could go to the CFL, UFL or start their own league. I’d follow them.[/quote]
    That’s a bit of an apples/oranges comparison, though.

    Relegation isn’t a one-way process. There’s also promotion that goes along with it. So, using your example, if Newcastle United gets relegated at the end of the season, there’s still a chance that it’ll get promoted back to the EPL the following year.

    For the Steelers to jump to the CFL or UFL, they’d have to completely sever ties with the NFL.[/quote]

    True, but it was the closest comparison I had. I still think most Steelers fans would follow them, though.

  • drybones | January 14, 2010 at 12:48 pm |

    It would be awesome to win one of those AFL Legacy refs uni’s, sans Pete Morelli’s atrocious autograph!

  • Hank | January 14, 2010 at 12:52 pm |

    Re: ESPN piece. Geez, you’d think Bob “I have a burr in my butt” Moore would have let it go by now. Nothing like being a PR director with a bad attitude toward a fan.

    Hey, Bob, how about this:

    Moore: ‘Mr. Asselin, thank you for your support of the Chiefs. We appreciate your efforts in an attempt to help the Chiefs’ fortunes. However, at this time, we are not contemplating any changes to our team uniform. Your strong support for the team is greatly appreciated, and we will work very hard to repay such support. If you so wish, we will keep your helmet design in our archives unless you prefer to have it returned to you. Again, thank you for being a big part of our ‘team”.

  • Bernard | January 14, 2010 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”372197″][quote comment=”372193″][quote comment=”372171″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    So what is your new White Whale?[/quote]

    Did we every figure out why MLB all stars had numbers on paper pinned to the backs of their jerseys yet?

    Good question- I wonder what the top 5, 10, whatever “white wales” exist in uni-world.[/quote]

    A color photo of that friggin Broncos helmet with the blue/brown/whatever horse has got to be on that list.

  • JimV19 | January 14, 2010 at 1:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”372150″][quote comment=”372148″]A Chicago sports radio station has two old highlight videos from a 1969 Bears v Browns game. IN COLOR![/quote]

    Forgot the links. Oops.

    http://www.670thesco...

    Great stuff! Loved Jack Whittaker’s voice. Also, I didn’t know Bobby Douglass started out wearing #14. By the time I saw him play in the 70s he was wearing #10. Only thing I remember about him was his scrambling…and that my mom thought he was cute.

  • Scott Zielan | January 14, 2010 at 1:04 pm |

    Big Ten helmet updates: They all suck

  • Nolan | January 14, 2010 at 1:06 pm |

    Paul, congratulations on your latest ESPN column. Great story.

  • JimV19 | January 14, 2010 at 1:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”372159″][quote comment=”372156″]
    if Jerry picks up the Cowboys and plops them into the CFL (there will be rejoicing in Canada and in Philadelphia) but it’s not going to be the same and we all know it and his franchise will lose value.
    [/quote]

    Know your fans. Canada would not rejoice. In fact, the CFL has a solid following in Canada because it’s not the NFL.[/quote]

    That is true. Just hope they don’t mind some of us Yanks watching their games.

  • JimV19 | January 14, 2010 at 1:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”372205″][quote comment=”372159″][quote comment=”372156″]
    if Jerry picks up the Cowboys and plops them into the CFL (there will be rejoicing in Canada and in Philadelphia) but it’s not going to be the same and we all know it and his franchise will lose value.
    [/quote]

    Know your fans. Canada would not rejoice. In fact, the CFL has a solid following in Canada because it’s not the NFL.[/quote]

    That is true. Just hope they don’t mind some of us Yanks watching their games.[/quote]

    In fact, after the failed expansion into the U.S., didn’t every team wear a “Radically Canadian” patch the following year?
    http://sites.google....
    I always took that patch to mean, “Yeah, we’re back and we’re all Canada now!”

    By the way, I know the Steelers and Packers would never end up in the CFL. I’m grounded in reality, but it is nice to daydream sometimes.

  • Jerry | January 14, 2010 at 1:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”372108″][quote comment=”372105″]The update to the Big10/11/12 helmets was pretty good. I think a better make-over for Penn State would be to keep the white helmet and add the profile Nittany Lion logo (http://www.oldstate....). That may even work with a solid blue helmet also. I’m a Nits fan, and this may be considered heretical thinking, but a little updating would be nice.[/quote]

    I applaud the effort on the BigTeleven helmets (love the BigTeleven name too). But I don’t think the majority were an improvement. And as a Gopher fan – no way would the cartoon head work. The current helmet is simple and works IMHO. They keep tinkering with the “M” itself from time to time (outline, double outline, no outline) for no apparent or good reason.

    The Gopher unis however…different story. Not as bad as the EKG unis from a few years back but what a mess currently.[/quote]

    C’mon Goldy has to be on the helmets, it will give the Badger fans another reason to laugh at the Chipmunks.

  • ScottyM | January 14, 2010 at 1:25 pm |

    Wow, Bob Moore can thank his lucky stars that he still has a job 20 years later. Why?

    Because he was bordering on incompetent back then.

    Imagine the awareness and positive community “goodwill” that could be generated … by just playing along. He was gift-wrapped a quirky promotion campaign, whether or not the team had ANY interest in changing helmets. He had a big fan who cared enough to do something fun!

    Again, you’re a lucky man to be in your position still today, Bob. If I’m Lamar, you’d have been demoted or fired for being such an overprotective, short-sighted, stick in the mud. Nothing personal. Just bad decision-making.

  • JimV19 | January 14, 2010 at 1:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”372206″][quote comment=”372205″][quote comment=”372159″][quote comment=”372156″]
    if Jerry picks up the Cowboys and plops them into the CFL (there will be rejoicing in Canada and in Philadelphia) but it’s not going to be the same and we all know it and his franchise will lose value.
    [/quote]

    Know your fans. Canada would not rejoice. In fact, the CFL has a solid following in Canada because it’s not the NFL.[/quote]

    That is true. Just hope they don’t mind some of us Yanks watching their games.[/quote]

    In fact, after the failed expansion into the U.S., didn’t every team wear a “Radically Canadian” patch the following year?
    http://sites.google....
    I always took that patch to mean, “Yeah, we’re back and we’re all Canada now!”

    By the way, I know the Steelers and Packers would never end up in the CFL. I’m grounded in reality, but it is nice to daydream sometimes.[/quote]

    Let’s try that patch again:
    http://slam.canoe.ca...
    It’s the one on his right shoulder. Couldn’t find a better shot right now.

  • Shawn Stacy | January 14, 2010 at 1:39 pm |

    Having attended Yuma High, it is all true. We are the Criminals, but generally, we use Crims for short. Last I checked, the basketball team still wore striped warm-ups. And the center of the basketball court is a ball and chain. The best high school t-shirts I’ve ever seen are from there. There were always t-shirts for spring break- “We’re busting out!”. And the return to school- “Locked away- AGAIN. Best mascot in regards to school- ever. Team colors- Navy and white.

  • Hott Rodd | January 14, 2010 at 1:44 pm |

    Wow.. I missed the reference to the Crims. Yup it’s true. Had to road trip to play them in football one year in H.S.

  • MPowers1634 | January 14, 2010 at 1:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”372178″][quote comment=”372165″][quote comment=”372163″]look at the socks in this pic of mcguire and jose:

    http://sportsillustr...

    What a great picture this is:
    http://i.cdn.turner....

    I have so many logistical issues with that photo, I don’t know where to begin. Like watching Avatar, however, suspending reality, I quite like it![/quote]

    Like what?

    Paul, Great Article!

  • Pedro | January 14, 2010 at 1:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”372201″][quote comment=”372197″][quote comment=”372193″][quote comment=”372171″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    So what is your new White Whale?[/quote]

    Did we every figure out why MLB all stars had numbers on paper pinned to the backs of their jerseys yet?

    Good question- I wonder what the top 5, 10, whatever “white wales” exist in uni-world.[/quote]

    A color photo of that friggin Broncos helmet with the blue/brown/whatever horse has got to be on that list.[/quote]

    I completely agree, I would even venture to make it number one on the “white whales” list.

  • Teebz | January 14, 2010 at 1:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”372205″][quote comment=”372159″][quote comment=”372156″]
    if Jerry picks up the Cowboys and plops them into the CFL (there will be rejoicing in Canada and in Philadelphia) but it’s not going to be the same and we all know it and his franchise will lose value.
    [/quote]

    Know your fans. Canada would not rejoice. In fact, the CFL has a solid following in Canada because it’s not the NFL.[/quote]

    That is true. Just hope they don’t mind some of us Yanks watching their games.[/quote]

    Absolutely not! We’re a welcoming people, Jim. Heck, War Damn Eagle already gave us the Minnesota Vikings, so join the revolution! ;o) LOL

  • Pedro | January 14, 2010 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”372210″]Having attended Yuma High, it is all true. We are the Criminals, but generally, we use Crims for short. Last I checked, the basketball team still wore striped warm-ups. And the center of the basketball court is a ball and chain. The best high school t-shirts I’ve ever seen are from there. There were always t-shirts for spring break- “We’re busting out!”. And the return to school- “Locked away- AGAIN. Best mascot in regards to school- ever. Team colors- Navy and white.[/quote]

    Man I love this kind of stuff, yesterday I spent most of the day doing research on Yuma High. Name sounds weird until you read up on it, then it makes perfect sense. On an unrelated note, does Yuma High have an on-campus football field?

    My high school’s nickname was the “Toilers”, one that toils. The name of the school is Manual Arts High School, which at it’s founding was a vocational school. Again, just makes sense once you now the reasoning.

  • MPowers1634 | January 14, 2010 at 1:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”372193″][quote comment=”372171″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    So what is your new White Whale?[/quote]

    Jim Kelly’s Super Bowl ring

  • MPowers1634 | January 14, 2010 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”372215″][quote comment=”372210″]Having attended Yuma High, it is all true. We are the Criminals, but generally, we use Crims for short. Last I checked, the basketball team still wore striped warm-ups. And the center of the basketball court is a ball and chain. The best high school t-shirts I’ve ever seen are from there. There were always t-shirts for spring break- “We’re busting out!”. And the return to school- “Locked away- AGAIN. Best mascot in regards to school- ever. Team colors- Navy and white.[/quote]

    Man I love this kind of stuff, yesterday I spent most of the day doing research on Yuma High. Name sounds weird until you read up on it, then it makes perfect sense. On an unrelated note, does Yuma High have an on-campus football field?

    My high school’s nickname was the “Toilers”, one that toils. The name of the school is Manual Arts High School, which at it’s founding was a vocational school. Again, just makes sense once you now the reasoning.[/quote]

    Hopefully, Yuma calls their football/basketball facility “The Cage”.

  • Kurt Allen | January 14, 2010 at 2:00 pm |

    Penn State I would just add the numbers back on the the helmets, Ohio St./Michigan you do not dare change, one game for Ohio St. deviating from it was enough. Wisky you don’t change neither, classic no-nonsense get-ups, best thing that happened was the one game (mid-90’s) they tried a special uni they were routed…

    And that 1962 game, Abner Haynes – Hank Stram wanted to defend the goal that would be against the wind in overtime. Abner said – ‘We’ll kick to the clock’. Oops…

  • JimWa | January 14, 2010 at 2:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”372212″][quote comment=”372178″][quote comment=”372165″][quote comment=”372163″]look at the socks in this pic of mcguire and jose:

    http://sportsillustr...

    What a great picture this is:
    http://i.cdn.turner....

    I have so many logistical issues with that photo, I don’t know where to begin. Like watching Avatar, however, suspending reality, I quite like it![/quote]

    Like what?

    Paul, Great Article![/quote]

    1. Where the the photographer? If you take a straight on photo of a mirror, you generally end up in the middle of that image.

    2. Based on the reflection, it appears a play is about to be run, if not a snap taking place at that very moment. What would a photographer be doing out on the field at that point in the action?

    3. How would a player react to having a photographer blocking his view of the middle of the field as a play is beginning? I\’m guessing the camera wouldn\’t be treated too kindly.

    4. Nice mohawk. (OK … I\’m pushing it now …)

  • Kaptain K | January 14, 2010 at 2:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”372130″]I actually have the DVD of that ’62 AFL Championship Game. It’s epic. Curt Gowdy on the call. Jack Buck on the sidelines. There’s a classic moment at halftime where Commissioner Joe Foss honors the players of the year and Len Dawson has to be out there on the field to receive a car or something – at halftime of the championship game of the league![/quote]

    As long as Lenny had the Chiefs matriculating down the field before and after halftime, what’s all the hullabaloo?

    http://www.crazyabou...

  • Pedro | January 14, 2010 at 2:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”372217″][quote comment=”372215″][quote comment=”372210″]Having attended Yuma High, it is all true. We are the Criminals, but generally, we use Crims for short. Last I checked, the basketball team still wore striped warm-ups. And the center of the basketball court is a ball and chain. The best high school t-shirts I’ve ever seen are from there. There were always t-shirts for spring break- “We’re busting out!”. And the return to school- “Locked away- AGAIN. Best mascot in regards to school- ever. Team colors- Navy and white.[/quote]

    Man I love this kind of stuff, yesterday I spent most of the day doing research on Yuma High. Name sounds weird until you read up on it, then it makes perfect sense. On an unrelated note, does Yuma High have an on-campus football field?

    My high school’s nickname was the “Toilers”, one that toils. The name of the school is Manual Arts High School, which at it’s founding was a vocational school. Again, just makes sense once you now the reasoning.[/quote]

    Hopefully, Yuma calls their football/basketball facility “The Cage”.[/quote]

    I did learn in my research yesterday, that they call the student store the “Cell Block”. Classic.

  • Hott Rodd | January 14, 2010 at 2:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”372215″][quote comment=”372210″]Having attended Yuma High, it is all true. We are the Criminals, but generally, we use Crims for short. Last I checked, the basketball team still wore striped warm-ups. And the center of the basketball court is a ball and chain. The best high school t-shirts I’ve ever seen are from there. There were always t-shirts for spring break- “We’re busting out!”. And the return to school- “Locked away- AGAIN. Best mascot in regards to school- ever. Team colors- Navy and white.[/quote]

    Man I love this kind of stuff, yesterday I spent most of the day doing research on Yuma High. Name sounds weird until you read up on it, then it makes perfect sense. On an unrelated note, does Yuma High have an on-campus football field?

    My high school’s nickname was the “Toilers”, one that toils. The name of the school is Manual Arts High School, which at it’s founding was a vocational school. Again, just makes sense once you now the reasoning.[/quote]

    Yes they do, it’s pretty rare in AZ for a school to not have their football field on campus.

    I have been to Yuma High 2 or 3 times total, pretty nice/typical H.S. from what I remember (going back almost 10 years now)

  • Teebz | January 14, 2010 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”372216″][quote comment=”372193″][quote comment=”372171″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    So what is your new White Whale?[/quote]

    Jim Kelly’s Super Bowl ring[/quote]

    There are so many things I want to say right now about the above comment in the context that it is being used, but I won’t.

    I’ll just shake my head in disappointment quietly.

  • Pedro | January 14, 2010 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”372222″][quote comment=”372215″][quote comment=”372210″]Having attended Yuma High, it is all true. We are the Criminals, but generally, we use Crims for short. Last I checked, the basketball team still wore striped warm-ups. And the center of the basketball court is a ball and chain. The best high school t-shirts I’ve ever seen are from there. There were always t-shirts for spring break- “We’re busting out!”. And the return to school- “Locked away- AGAIN. Best mascot in regards to school- ever. Team colors- Navy and white.[/quote]

    Man I love this kind of stuff, yesterday I spent most of the day doing research on Yuma High. Name sounds weird until you read up on it, then it makes perfect sense. On an unrelated note, does Yuma High have an on-campus football field?

    My high school’s nickname was the “Toilers”, one that toils. The name of the school is Manual Arts High School, which at it’s founding was a vocational school. Again, just makes sense once you now the reasoning.[/quote]

    Yes they do, it’s pretty rare in AZ for a school to not have their football field on campus.

    I have been to Yuma High 2 or 3 times total, pretty nice/typical H.S. from what I remember (going back almost 10 years now)[/quote]

    Oh, OK. The reason I was asking is that I was looking at a Google Map of the school (to see how close it is to the old prison, pretty close btw), and I couln’t see it. Just a big baseball field in the middle of the campus, but nothing that looked like a football field.

  • Bernard | January 14, 2010 at 2:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”372221″][quote comment=”372217″][quote comment=”372215″][quote comment=”372210″]Having attended Yuma High, it is all true. We are the Criminals, but generally, we use Crims for short. Last I checked, the basketball team still wore striped warm-ups. And the center of the basketball court is a ball and chain. The best high school t-shirts I’ve ever seen are from there. There were always t-shirts for spring break- “We’re busting out!”. And the return to school- “Locked away- AGAIN. Best mascot in regards to school- ever. Team colors- Navy and white.[/quote]

    Man I love this kind of stuff, yesterday I spent most of the day doing research on Yuma High. Name sounds weird until you read up on it, then it makes perfect sense. On an unrelated note, does Yuma High have an on-campus football field?

    My high school’s nickname was the “Toilers”, one that toils. The name of the school is Manual Arts High School, which at it’s founding was a vocational school. Again, just makes sense once you now the reasoning.[/quote]

    Hopefully, Yuma calls their football/basketball facility “The Cage”.[/quote]

    I did learn in my research yesterday, that they call the student store the “Cell Block”. Classic.[/quote]

    I would call the football field “The Yard”, and the basketball gym “The Slammer”.

  • Ricko | January 14, 2010 at 2:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”372217″][quote comment=”372215″][quote comment=”372210″]Having attended Yuma High, it is all true. We are the Criminals, but generally, we use Crims for short. Last I checked, the basketball team still wore striped warm-ups. And the center of the basketball court is a ball and chain. The best high school t-shirts I’ve ever seen are from there. There were always t-shirts for spring break- “We’re busting out!”. And the return to school- “Locked away- AGAIN. Best mascot in regards to school- ever. Team colors- Navy and white.[/quote]

    Man I love this kind of stuff, yesterday I spent most of the day doing research on Yuma High. Name sounds weird until you read up on it, then it makes perfect sense. On an unrelated note, does Yuma High have an on-campus football field?

    My high school’s nickname was the “Toilers”, one that toils. The name of the school is Manual Arts High School, which at it’s founding was a vocational school. Again, just makes sense once you now the reasoning.[/quote]

    Hopefully, Yuma calls their football/basketball facility “The Cage”.[/quote]

    Or The Big House.

  • joe | January 14, 2010 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”372173″]While I see what you’re saying in your argument about fans rooting for teams and not leagues, it is the leagues that give those teams value. You’re right, I only ever buy Baltimore Ravens merchandise. I don’t think I’ve ever bought an NFL logo t-shirt. However, if my beloved Ravens played in the Arena League, I really don’t think I would care about them as much. I’ll be quite honest, I not only did not watch a single UFL game, I can’t even name any of their teams. The Dallas Cowboys have incredble brand identity and loyalty, but they are given credibility by their association with the NFL. If the broke off and joined the UFL, how many of their millions of fans would be left in 3 years?[/quote]
    but if the Bears, packers, patriots, redskins, and cowboys left the NFL made a new league and had 5 new teams in it would you then abandon them? I’d guess not you say that sounds like a good upstart league that has teams that know whats going on with football. Saying if they went the the AFL isn’t the same that’s a different sport.

  • Cowboy7130 | January 14, 2010 at 2:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”372208″]Wow, Bob Moore can thank his lucky stars that he still has a job 20 years later. Why?

    Because he was bordering on incompetent back then.

    Imagine the awareness and positive community “goodwill” that could be generated … by just playing along. He was gift-wrapped a quirky promotion campaign, whether or not the team had ANY interest in changing helmets. He had a big fan who cared enough to do something fun!

    Again, you’re a lucky man to be in your position still today, Bob. If I’m Lamar, you’d have been demoted or fired for being such an overprotective, short-sighted, stick in the mud. Nothing personal. Just bad decision-making.[/quote]

    I would have fired him just for the glasses.

  • Hott Rodd | January 14, 2010 at 2:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”372224″][quote comment=”372222″][quote comment=”372215″][quote comment=”372210″]Having attended Yuma High, it is all true. We are the Criminals, but generally, we use Crims for short. Last I checked, the basketball team still wore striped warm-ups. And the center of the basketball court is a ball and chain. The best high school t-shirts I’ve ever seen are from there. There were always t-shirts for spring break- “We’re busting out!”. And the return to school- “Locked away- AGAIN. Best mascot in regards to school- ever. Team colors- Navy and white.[/quote]

    Man I love this kind of stuff, yesterday I spent most of the day doing research on Yuma High. Name sounds weird until you read up on it, then it makes perfect sense. On an unrelated note, does Yuma High have an on-campus football field?

    My high school’s nickname was the “Toilers”, one that toils. The name of the school is Manual Arts High School, which at it’s founding was a vocational school. Again, just makes sense once you now the reasoning.[/quote]

    Yes they do, it’s pretty rare in AZ for a school to not have their football field on campus.

    I have been to Yuma High 2 or 3 times total, pretty nice/typical H.S. from what I remember (going back almost 10 years now)[/quote]

    Oh, OK. The reason I was asking is that I was looking at a Google Map of the school (to see how close it is to the old prison, pretty close btw), and I couln’t see it. Just a big baseball field in the middle of the campus, but nothing that looked like a football field.[/quote]

    If you look closely at the baseball field, you will see that it it multi use and the outfield is lined for football. (the darker grass is very evident)

  • The Ghost of Ross Gload | January 14, 2010 at 2:27 pm |

    You really have to be a fan of your team, then the league.

    I’ll always be Royals fan, even though they haven’t played Major League Baseball in about 15 years.

  • mike 2 | January 14, 2010 at 2:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”372209″][quote comment=”372206″][quote comment=”372205″][quote comment=”372159″][quote comment=”372156″]
    if Jerry picks up the Cowboys and plops them into the CFL (there will be rejoicing in Canada and in Philadelphia) but it’s not going to be the same and we all know it and his franchise will lose value.
    [/quote]

    Know your fans. Canada would not rejoice. In fact, the CFL has a solid following in Canada because it’s not the NFL.[/quote]

    That is true. Just hope they don’t mind some of us Yanks watching their games.[/quote]

    In fact, after the failed expansion into the U.S., didn’t every team wear a “Radically Canadian” patch the following year?
    http://sites.google....
    I always took that patch to mean, “Yeah, we’re back and we’re all Canada now!”

    By the way, I know the Steelers and Packers would never end up in the CFL. I’m grounded in reality, but it is nice to daydream sometimes.[/quote]

    Let’s try that patch again:
    http://slam.canoe.ca...
    It’s the one on his right shoulder. Couldn’t find a better shot right now.[/quote]

    I couldn’t find a better shot but I did find a different shot

    http://static.cdn.mr...

    FWIW, those photos are from the 1996 Grey Cup at Ivor Wynne Stadium. I was there for that one, unbelievably cold and windy. Argos won.

    Because I know Paul is interested in this, note the orange glasscutters gloves on Flutie and on someone else in the second photo.

  • Pedro | January 14, 2010 at 2:31 pm |

    If you look closely at the baseball field, you will see that it it multi use and the outfield is lined for football. (the darker grass is very evident)[/quote]

    Okay looking at the new google map I feel dumb for even asking the question. But I swear, the picture must have just been updated today, because yesterday they had a different one. In the picture yesterday, there was no sign of football lines, different shade of grass, or bleachers.

  • Kevin Z. | January 14, 2010 at 2:41 pm |

    I mentioned in comments last week that I was working on an article about abbreviated city names on uniforms. Click on the link attached to my name on this post if you want to check it out.

  • Jeremy Brahm | January 14, 2010 at 2:45 pm |

    I have two uniform white whales and I have seen them with my own two eyes.

    One is in Indianapolis and the other is from Japan.

    The one in Indianapolis is in the Conseco Fieldhouse, it is a picture of the Pacers after the Flo Jo design from the early 1990s, but would have changed the team colors to blue, light blue and yellow. I saw it in the history of Indiana basketball, primarily about the Pacers. I didn’t take a photo, but it never made it onto the court. It is one of the few examples of a mock-up for an NBA team that didn’t get thrown in the trash bin.

    As for the one in Japan, it is a complete volleyball uniform from Issey Miyake in 1991 from the Japanese men’s volleyball team. Completely black and orange pattern, front, back, shirts, shorts, kneepads and socks. Just bizarre and pre-internet. I saw it during the 1991 World League on Sportschannel USA and have been looking for it ever since.

  • Dank | January 14, 2010 at 2:50 pm |

    On the Big Televen makeover’s, here is the one I would like to see:

    The official Indiana colors are Crimson and Cream. So, dump the white and go to cream? Be a trendsetter in football much like the new trend in baseball is “retro” cream unis. I think cream colored hoops unis would be cool and unique, and cream helemts with crimson and cream unis would be pretty cool.

    Not a big fan of any of the proposed helmets, though I think the Penn State one would be fine. I also was surprised I did not completely hate the Michigan flip flop.

  • chance michaels | January 14, 2010 at 2:54 pm |

    I have a white whale, a particular Packers helmet. I know who has it, but he’s so far ignored my subtle offers to buy it….

  • fred | January 14, 2010 at 2:57 pm |

    /[quote comment=\”372123\”][quote comment=\”372104\”]I just received this via theofficial Kiss Twitter:

    \”custom-painted KISS football helmets\”
    http://www.facebook....

    The fact that you even recieve the official Kiss Twitter is profoundly disturbing…[/quote]

    I don\’t personally follow it; I just watch it for the twitter account here at work.

  • MPowers1634 | January 14, 2010 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”372236″]I have a white whale, a particular Packers helmet.

    I know who has it, but he’s so far ignored my subtle offers to buy it….[/quote]

    I think they call him Pac-Man…either that or Johnny O.

  • Ricko | January 14, 2010 at 3:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”372235″]On the Big Televen makeover’s, here is the one I would like to see:

    The official Indiana colors are Crimson and Cream. So, dump the white and go to cream? Be a trendsetter in football much like the new trend in baseball is “retro” cream unis. I think cream colored hoops unis would be cool and unique, and cream helemts with crimson and cream unis would be pretty cool.

    Not a big fan of any of the proposed helmets, though I think the Penn State one would be fine. I also was surprised I did not completely hate the Michigan flip flop.[/quote]

    Indiana wore cream monochome on the road (with crimson helmets) under Sam Wyche.
    Looked like buttermilk.
    Or maybe walking toaster waffles (pre-toasting).
    Not good.

    (Speaking of white whales…color photos of that uni are extremely tough to find. I’ve googled for them several times. Zip.)

    —Rick

  • Kris McInnis | January 14, 2010 at 3:14 pm |

    This just in: The NFL has released the official patch that will be worn by the Justices and representatives during the hearings.

  • TC Mark | January 14, 2010 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”372207″][quote comment=”372108″][quote comment=”372105″]The update to the Big10/11/12 helmets was pretty good. I think a better make-over for Penn State would be to keep the white helmet and add the profile Nittany Lion logo (http://www.oldstate....). That may even work with a solid blue helmet also. I’m a Nits fan, and this may be considered heretical thinking, but a little updating would be nice.[/quote]

    I applaud the effort on the BigTeleven helmets (love the BigTeleven name too). But I don’t think the majority were an improvement. And as a Gopher fan – no way would the cartoon head work. The current helmet is simple and works IMHO. They keep tinkering with the “M” itself from time to time (outline, double outline, no outline) for no apparent or good reason.

    The Gopher unis however…different story. Not as bad as the EKG unis from a few years back but what a mess currently.[/quote]

    C’mon Goldy has to be on the helmets, it will give the Badger fans another reason to laugh at the Chipmunks.[/quote]

    You need MORE reasons? We’ve given you plenty o’ fodder already so let’s not be greedy.

  • JTH | January 14, 2010 at 3:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”372239″][quote comment=”372235″]On the Big Televen makeover’s, here is the one I would like to see:

    The official Indiana colors are Crimson and Cream. So, dump the white and go to cream? Be a trendsetter in football much like the new trend in baseball is “retro” cream unis. I think cream colored hoops unis would be cool and unique, and cream helemts with crimson and cream unis would be pretty cool.

    Not a big fan of any of the proposed helmets, though I think the Penn State one would be fine. I also was surprised I did not completely hate the Michigan flip flop.[/quote]

    Indiana wore cream monochome on the road (with crimson helmets) under Sam Wyche.
    Looked like buttermilk.
    Or maybe walking toaster waffles (pre-toasting).
    Not good.

    (Speaking of white whales…color photos of that uni are extremely tough to find. I’ve googled for them several times. Zip.)

    —Rick[/quote]
    I believe this is the only one I’ve come across a.

    I’m hoping that if and when Helmet Hut does produce this helmet, they’ll have some good photos that show the full uni.

  • warren thompson | January 14, 2010 at 3:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”372190″]

    Unknown teams, but Paul’s gotta love those sleeves:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Herewith a guess, partially based on fact: California v. Southern Cal (the latter in the dark jerseys with striped sleeves) in the late 1930s or early 1940s ….

  • TC Mark | January 14, 2010 at 3:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”372236″]I have a white whale, a particular Packers helmet.

    I know who has it, but he’s so far ignored my subtle offers to buy it….[/quote]

    Brett Favre? I think he painted it purple and added horns. Does that destroy the value?

  • Jim Bullard | January 14, 2010 at 3:25 pm |

    I’ve been trying to google this (like a nerd) to no success. Maybe someone here knows the answer to this question:

    What is the meaning behind the recent influx of football players (both pro and college) doing a gesture where it appears they are scooping food into their mouths with an imaginary spoon?

    Does anyone even know what I’m talking about?

  • LI Phil | January 14, 2010 at 3:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”372216″][quote comment=”372193″]
    So what is your new White Whale?[/quote]

    Jim Kelly’s Super Bowl ring[/quote]

    *sigh*

    samuel clemens was right

  • JTH | January 14, 2010 at 3:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”372240″]This just in: The NFL has released the official patch that will be worn by the Justices and representatives during the hearings.[/quote]
    Wait. I think something’s missing from that pic.

    Fixed.

  • MPowers1634 | January 14, 2010 at 3:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”372246″][quote comment=”372216″][quote comment=”372193″]
    So what is your new White Whale?[/quote]

    Jim Kelly’s Super Bowl ring[/quote]

    *sigh*

    samuel clemens was right[/quote]

    It’s better to be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt?

    That one?

  • M.Princip | January 14, 2010 at 3:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”372216″][quote comment=”372193″][quote comment=”372171″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    So what is your new White Whale?[/quote]

    Jim Kelly’s Super Bowl ring[/quote]

    How about the David Boss designed Brown’s CB logo? Any player action shots with that lid? I know it’s been confirmed by Helmet Hut, yet, any other pics?

    http://www.illustrat...

  • chance michaels | January 14, 2010 at 3:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”372249″][quote comment=”372216″][quote comment=”372193″][quote comment=”372171″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    So what is your new White Whale?[/quote]

    Jim Kelly’s Super Bowl ring[/quote]

    How about the David Boss designed Brown’s CB logo? Any player action shots with that lid? I know it’s been confirmed by Helmet Hut, yet, any other pics?

    http://www.illustrat...
    The story goes that the players peeled them off right after the helmets were delivered, and before taking the field, so I doubt we’ll ever see a picture of them.

  • LI Phil | January 14, 2010 at 3:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”372248″][quote comment=”372246″][quote comment=”372216″][quote comment=”372193″]
    So what is your new White Whale?[/quote]

    Jim Kelly’s Super Bowl ring[/quote]

    *sigh*

    samuel clemens was right[/quote]

    It’s better to be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt?

    That one?[/quote]

    actually i was thinking of “golf is a good walk spoiled”

    yours however, fits

  • Ry Co 40 | January 14, 2010 at 3:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”372247″][quote comment=”372240″]This just in: The NFL has released the official patch that will be worn by the Justices and representatives during the hearings.[/quote]
    Wait. I think something’s missing from that pic.

    Fixed.[/quote]

    no reebok logo? lol

  • JTH | January 14, 2010 at 4:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”372252″][quote comment=”372247″][quote comment=”372240″]This just in: The NFL has released the official patch that will be worn by the Justices and representatives during the hearings.[/quote]
    Wait. I think something’s missing from that pic.

    Fixed.[/quote]

    no reebok logo? lol[/quote]
    Look again. There is one, it’s just ghosted. Apparently the Supreme Court has switched to the high-tech fabric on its robes in an attempt to trample the Bill of Rights 17.1% more swiftly.

  • LI Phil | January 14, 2010 at 4:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”372253″][quote comment=”372252″][quote comment=”372247″][quote comment=”372240″]This just in: The NFL has released the official patch that will be worn by the Justices and representatives during the hearings.[/quote]
    Wait. I think something’s missing from that pic.

    Fixed.[/quote]

    no reebok logo? lol[/quote]
    Look again. There is one, it’s just ghosted. Apparently the Supreme Court has switched to the high-tech fabric on its robes in an attempt to trample the Bill of Rights 17.1% more swiftly.[/quote]

    that…is…in two words

    awe some

    but shouldn’t johnny “rockin” roberts have more than one star? i think w named him captain back in like 2005, no?

  • Ry Co 40 | January 14, 2010 at 4:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”372253″][quote comment=”372252″][quote comment=”372247″][quote comment=”372240″]This just in: The NFL has released the official patch that will be worn by the Justices and representatives during the hearings.[/quote]
    Wait. I think something’s missing from that pic.

    Fixed.[/quote]

    no reebok logo? lol[/quote]
    Look again. There is one, it’s just ghosted. Apparently the Supreme Court has switched to the high-tech fabric on its robes in an attempt to trample the Bill of Rights 17.1% more swiftly.[/quote]

    LOL!!! i was fixed on the captain patch! funny stuff

  • Jeff | January 14, 2010 at 4:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”372243″][quote comment=”372190″]

    Unknown teams, but Paul’s gotta love those sleeves:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Herewith a guess, partially based on fact: California v. Southern Cal (the latter in the dark jerseys with striped sleeves) in the late 1930s or early 1940s ….[/quote]

    Better pic:

    http://www.auctiva.c...

    HOLY SHIT – check out the matching hose!

  • DJ | January 14, 2010 at 4:09 pm |

    Sorry if posted earlier:

    Chicago Fire 2010 uniforms (scroll down):

    http://www.soccerpub...

    The other MLS teams are revealing theirs today, and MLS revealed their new match ball (a white, blue, green, and silver version of the World Cup ball); Women’s Professional Soccer reveal theirs tomorrow.

  • JimV19 | January 14, 2010 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”372214″][quote comment=”372205″][quote comment=”372159″][quote comment=”372156″]
    if Jerry picks up the Cowboys and plops them into the CFL (there will be rejoicing in Canada and in Philadelphia) but it’s not going to be the same and we all know it and his franchise will lose value.
    [/quote]

    Know your fans. Canada would not rejoice. In fact, the CFL has a solid following in Canada because it’s not the NFL.[/quote]

    That is true. Just hope they don’t mind some of us Yanks watching their games.[/quote]

    Absolutely not! We’re a welcoming people, Jim. Heck, War Damn Eagle already gave us the Minnesota Vikings, so join the revolution! ;o) LOL[/quote]

    Good to know. Wasn’t sure after one trip to Hamilton – when we got to Niagara Falls the border guard asked the purpose of our visit, and when I said “to go see the Tiger-Cats,” he gave me this look that suggested he might put me on a terrorist watch list. Granted, the Ti-Cats stunk that year, but we still enjoyed the game.

    Been above the border a few times, and you’re right – you do seem like a welcoming lot.

  • JTH | January 14, 2010 at 4:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”372254″][quote comment=”372253″][quote comment=”372252″][quote comment=”372247″][quote comment=”372240″]This just in: The NFL has released the official patch that will be worn by the Justices and representatives during the hearings.[/quote]
    Wait. I think something’s missing from that pic.

    Fixed.[/quote]

    no reebok logo? lol[/quote]
    Look again. There is one, it’s just ghosted. Apparently the Supreme Court has switched to the high-tech fabric on its robes in an attempt to trample the Bill of Rights 17.1% more swiftly.[/quote]

    that…is…in two words

    awe some

    but shouldn’t johnny “rockin” roberts have more than one star? i think w named him captain back in like 2005, no?[/quote]
    Sure, this is his fifth season, but, like Aaron Rodgers, it’s his first time wearing the patch.

  • Dank | January 14, 2010 at 4:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”372239″][quote comment=”372235″]On the Big Televen makeover’s, here is the one I would like to see:

    The official Indiana colors are Crimson and Cream. So, dump the white and go to cream? Be a trendsetter in football much like the new trend in baseball is “retro” cream unis. I think cream colored hoops unis would be cool and unique, and cream helemts with crimson and cream unis would be pretty cool.

    Not a big fan of any of the proposed helmets, though I think the Penn State one would be fine. I also was surprised I did not completely hate the Michigan flip flop.[/quote]

    Indiana wore cream monochome on the road (with crimson helmets) under Sam Wyche.
    Looked like buttermilk.
    Or maybe walking toaster waffles (pre-toasting).
    Not good.

    (Speaking of white whales…color photos of that uni are extremely tough to find. I’ve googled for them several times. Zip.)

    —Rick[/quote]

    If I were designing the unis, I would make a Cream-Pearl colored helmet (like you see on many high end cars), and pair it with a crimson jersey over cream pants at home, and a cream jersey over crimson pants on the road.

    Not denying that the old unis probably looked bad, but with today’s technology, I would think the fabrics and helmets could be made to a cool cream/pearl color.

    Do you like the Giants/Phillies/Indians/TwinsRetro cream uinis?

  • M.Princip | January 14, 2010 at 4:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”372249″][quote comment=”372216″][quote comment=”372193″][quote comment=”372171″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    So what is your new White Whale?[/quote]

    Jim Kelly’s Super Bowl ring[/quote]

    How about the David Boss designed Brown’s CB logo? Any player action shots with that lid? I know it’s been confirmed by Helmet Hut, yet, any other pics?

    http://www.illustrat...
    [quote comment=”372250″][quote comment=”372249″][quote comment=”372216″][quote comment=”372193″][quote comment=”372171″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    So what is your new White Whale?[/quote]

    Jim Kelly’s Super Bowl ring[/quote]

    How about the David Boss designed Brown’s CB logo? Any player action shots with that lid? I know it’s been confirmed by Helmet Hut, yet, any other pics?

    http://www.illustrat...
    The story goes that the players peeled them off right after the helmets were delivered, and before taking the field, so I doubt we’ll ever see a picture of them.[/quote]

    That’s a buzkill. There has to be one double zero wearin’ freakazoid that kept the decals on!?!?

  • JimV19 | January 14, 2010 at 4:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”372254″][quote comment=”372253″][quote comment=”372252″][quote comment=”372247″][quote comment=”372240″]This just in: The NFL has released the official patch that will be worn by the Justices and representatives during the hearings.[/quote]
    Wait. I think something’s missing from that pic.

    Fixed.[/quote]

    no reebok logo? lol[/quote]
    Look again. There is one, it’s just ghosted. Apparently the Supreme Court has switched to the high-tech fabric on its robes in an attempt to trample the Bill of Rights 17.1% more swiftly.[/quote]

    that…is…in two words

    awe some

    but shouldn’t johnny “rockin” roberts have more than one star? i think w named him captain back in like 2005, no?[/quote]

    Agreed. That was really good.

    Although, shouldn’t the hearings be sponsored by someone?

    Also, I’d love to see a neon alternate of that robe.

  • mike 2 | January 14, 2010 at 4:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”372252″][quote comment=”372247″][quote comment=”372240″]This just in: The NFL has released the official patch that will be worn by the Justices and representatives during the hearings.[/quote]
    Wait. I think something’s missing from that pic.

    Fixed.[/quote]

    no reebok logo? lol[/quote]

    Too hot a topic since Rehnquist’s Adidas sponsorship scandal hit the papers

    http://monsieurdevil...

  • MPowers1634 | January 14, 2010 at 4:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”372263″][quote comment=”372252″][quote comment=”372247″][quote comment=”372240″]This just in: The NFL has released the official patch that will be worn by the Justices and representatives during the hearings.[/quote]
    Wait. I think something’s missing from that pic.

    Fixed.[/quote]

    no reebok logo? lol[/quote]

    Too hot a topic since Rehnquist’s Adidas sponsorship scandal hit the papers

    http://monsieurdevil...

    Adidas dropped him when they realized that he was rocking Jordans under his robes.

  • JimV19 | January 14, 2010 at 4:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”372231″][quote comment=”372209″]Let’s try that patch again:
    http://slam.canoe.ca...
    It’s the one on his right shoulder. Couldn’t find a better shot right now.[/quote]

    I couldn’t find a better shot but I did find a different shot

    http://static.cdn.mr...

    FWIW, those photos are from the 1996 Grey Cup at Ivor Wynne Stadium. I was there for that one, unbelievably cold and windy. Argos won.

    Because I know Paul is interested in this, note the orange glasscutters gloves on Flutie and on someone else in the second photo.[/quote]

    At least one Eskimos player wore them in that game as well…I believe it was #7. Larry B. has posted some screen shots of this game in the past. If he sees this, maybe he can post them again.

  • MPowers1634 | January 14, 2010 at 4:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”372262″][quote comment=”372254″][quote comment=”372253″][quote comment=”372252″][quote comment=”372247″][quote comment=”372240″]This just in: The NFL has released the official patch that will be worn by the Justices and representatives during the hearings.[/quote]
    Wait. I think something’s missing from that pic.

    Fixed.[/quote]

    no reebok logo? lol[/quote]
    Look again. There is one, it’s just ghosted. Apparently the Supreme Court has switched to the high-tech fabric on its robes in an attempt to trample the Bill of Rights 17.1% more swiftly.[/quote]

    that…is…in two words

    awe some

    but shouldn’t johnny “rockin” roberts have more than one star? i think w named him captain back in like 2005, no?[/quote]

    Agreed. That was really good.

    Although, shouldn’t the hearings be sponsored by someone?

    Also, I’d love to see a neon alternate of that robe.[/quote]

    How about Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s System of Dress?

    http://lawyersusadcd...

    Lets just hope that it isnt a Speedo LZR swinsuit.

  • MPowers1634 | January 14, 2010 at 4:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”372262″][quote comment=”372254″][quote comment=”372253″][quote comment=”372252″][quote comment=”372247″][quote comment=”372240″]This just in: The NFL has released the official patch that will be worn by the Justices and representatives during the hearings.[/quote]
    Wait. I think something’s missing from that pic.

    Fixed.[/quote]

    no reebok logo? lol[/quote]
    Look again. There is one, it’s just ghosted. Apparently the Supreme Court has switched to the high-tech fabric on its robes in an attempt to trample the Bill of Rights 17.1% more swiftly.[/quote]

    that…is…in two words

    awe some

    but shouldn’t johnny “rockin” roberts have more than one star? i think w named him captain back in like 2005, no?[/quote]

    Agreed. That was really good.

    Although, shouldn’t the hearings be sponsored by someone?

    Also, I’d love to see a neon alternate of that robe.[/quote]

    In a very controversial move, Sonia Sotomayor decides to wear her team allegiance on her sleeve:

    http://rightwingmino...

    http://cultureofsocc...

    I can’t wait for a Clarence Thomas zinger!

  • Ricko | January 14, 2010 at 4:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”372260″][quote comment=”372239″][quote comment=”372235″]On the Big Televen makeover’s, here is the one I would like to see:

    The official Indiana colors are Crimson and Cream. So, dump the white and go to cream? Be a trendsetter in football much like the new trend in baseball is “retro” cream unis. I think cream colored hoops unis would be cool and unique, and cream helemts with crimson and cream unis would be pretty cool.

    Not a big fan of any of the proposed helmets, though I think the Penn State one would be fine. I also was surprised I did not completely hate the Michigan flip flop.[/quote]

    Indiana wore cream monochome on the road (with crimson helmets) under Sam Wyche.
    Looked like buttermilk.
    Or maybe walking toaster waffles (pre-toasting).
    Not good.

    (Speaking of white whales…color photos of that uni are extremely tough to find. I’ve googled for them several times. Zip.)

    —Rick[/quote]

    If I were designing the unis, I would make a Cream-Pearl colored helmet (like you see on many high end cars), and pair it with a crimson jersey over cream pants at home, and a cream jersey over crimson pants on the road.

    Not denying that the old unis probably looked bad, but with today’s technology, I would think the fabrics and helmets could be made to a cool cream/pearl color.

    Do you like the Giants/Phillies/Indians/TwinsRetro cream uinis?[/quote]

    Wasn’t disagreeing. Was just saying they didn’t do it very well the last time. I’ve long thought Indiana should actually wear cream, for basketball, too.

    But not the khaki or egg nog or whatever the heck it was under Wyche.

    Your baseball references for the proper color are spot-on.

    —Ricko

  • Tim G | January 14, 2010 at 4:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”372100″]That’s no skull at Duke’s center court. It’s a basketball above a net, as seen here:
    http://www.flickr.co...

    Thanks for posting that up. I was flipping through the games and noticed something at center court and it looked odd. The net looked like the jaw area on a skull, but I really had no idea what it was. Never knew that was there.

  • JTH | January 14, 2010 at 4:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”372268″][quote comment=”372260″][quote comment=”372239″][quote comment=”372235″]On the Big Televen makeover’s, here is the one I would like to see:

    The official Indiana colors are Crimson and Cream. So, dump the white and go to cream? Be a trendsetter in football much like the new trend in baseball is “retro” cream unis. I think cream colored hoops unis would be cool and unique, and cream helemts with crimson and cream unis would be pretty cool.

    Not a big fan of any of the proposed helmets, though I think the Penn State one would be fine. I also was surprised I did not completely hate the Michigan flip flop.[/quote]

    Indiana wore cream monochome on the road (with crimson helmets) under Sam Wyche.
    Looked like buttermilk.
    Or maybe walking toaster waffles (pre-toasting).
    Not good.

    (Speaking of white whales…color photos of that uni are extremely tough to find. I’ve googled for them several times. Zip.)

    —Rick[/quote]

    If I were designing the unis, I would make a Cream-Pearl colored helmet (like you see on many high end cars), and pair it with a crimson jersey over cream pants at home, and a cream jersey over crimson pants on the road.

    Not denying that the old unis probably looked bad, but with today’s technology, I would think the fabrics and helmets could be made to a cool cream/pearl color.

    Do you like the Giants/Phillies/Indians/TwinsRetro cream uinis?[/quote]

    Wasn’t disagreeing. Was just saying they didn’t do it very well the last time. I’ve long thought Indiana should actually wear cream, for basketball, too.

    But not the khaki or egg nog or whatever the heck it was under Wyche.

    Your baseball references for the proper color are spot-on.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    I think Oklahoma wore a cream-colored basketball alt last year that looked pretty good.

  • concealed78 | January 14, 2010 at 4:48 pm |

    Ah so the Great K.C. Chiefs Helmet Mystery has been solved & with screencaps, nice. There is something very satisfying with articles like this. I have to say I am honestly really impressed. Great job, Paul Lukas!

  • JimV19 | January 14, 2010 at 4:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”372267″]In a very controversial move, Sonia Sotomayor decides to wear her team allegiance on her sleeve:

    http://rightwingmino...

    http://cultureofsocc...

    I can’t wait for a Clarence Thomas zinger![/quote]

    Would it be a zinger, or a http://www.youtube.c... ?

  • Bernard | January 14, 2010 at 4:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”372266″][quote comment=”372262″][quote comment=”372254″][quote comment=”372253″][quote comment=”372252″][quote comment=”372247″][quote comment=”372240″]This just in: The NFL has released the official patch that will be worn by the Justices and representatives during the hearings.[/quote]
    Wait. I think something’s missing from that pic.

    Fixed.[/quote]

    no reebok logo? lol[/quote]
    Look again. There is one, it’s just ghosted. Apparently the Supreme Court has switched to the high-tech fabric on its robes in an attempt to trample the Bill of Rights 17.1% more swiftly.[/quote]

    that…is…in two words

    awe some

    but shouldn’t johnny “rockin” roberts have more than one star? i think w named him captain back in like 2005, no?[/quote]

    Agreed. That was really good.

    Although, shouldn’t the hearings be sponsored by someone?

    Also, I’d love to see a neon alternate of that robe.[/quote]

    How about Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s System of Dress?

    http://lawyersusadcd...

    Lets just hope that it isnt a Speedo LZR swinsuit.[/quote]

    I think it’s a BFBS alternate of this:

    http://www.arizonasp...

  • Christopher | January 14, 2010 at 4:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”372260″][quote comment=”372239″][quote comment=”372235″]On the Big Televen makeover’s, here is the one I would like to see:

    The official Indiana colors are Crimson and Cream. So, dump the white and go to cream? Be a trendsetter in football much like the new trend in baseball is “retro” cream unis. I think cream colored hoops unis would be cool and unique, and cream helemts with crimson and cream unis would be pretty cool.

    Not a big fan of any of the proposed helmets, though I think the Penn State one would be fine. I also was surprised I did not completely hate the Michigan flip flop.[/quote]

    Indiana wore cream monochome on the road (with crimson helmets) under Sam Wyche.
    Looked like buttermilk.
    Or maybe walking toaster waffles (pre-toasting).
    Not good.

    (Speaking of white whales…color photos of that uni are extremely tough to find. I’ve googled for them several times. Zip.)

    —Rick[/quote]

    If I were designing the unis, I would make a Cream-Pearl colored helmet (like you see on many high end cars), and pair it with a crimson jersey over cream pants at home, and a cream jersey over crimson pants on the road.

    Not denying that the old unis probably looked bad, but with today’s technology, I would think the fabrics and helmets could be made to a cool cream/pearl color.

    Do you like the Giants/Phillies/Indians/TwinsRetro cream uinis?[/quote]

    Crimson and cream is absolutely my favorite color combination. Using cream over white is generally, well, awesome in my mind.

  • LI Phil | January 14, 2010 at 5:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”372263″]
    Too hot a topic since Rehnquist’s Adidas sponsorship scandal hit the papers

    http://monsieurdevil...

    (fixed)

  • TC Mark | January 14, 2010 at 5:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”372271″]Ah so the Great K.C. Chiefs Helmet Mystery has been solved & with screencaps, nice. There is something very satisfying with articles like this. I have to say I am honestly really impressed. Great job, Paul Lukas![/quote]

    Agreed. Diligence, persistence and hard work pay off. What a lesson for the youth of today! Nice job Paul. I look forward to meeting in MSP next week.

  • Johnny O | January 14, 2010 at 5:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”372236″]I have a white whale, a particular Packers helmet.

    I know who has it, but he’s so far ignored my subtle offers to buy it….[/quote]

    Care to elaborate Chance?

  • Nick | January 14, 2010 at 7:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”372243″][quote comment=”372190″]

    Unknown teams, but Paul’s gotta love those sleeves:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Herewith a guess, partially based on fact: California v. Southern Cal (the latter in the dark jerseys with striped sleeves) in the late 1930s or early 1940s ….[/quote]

    Cal actually wore those sleeves into the early 1960’s. I saw a College Football preseason annual with Craig Morton on the cover wearing that type jersey, with action photos showing him wearing those stripes.

  • robertlynn | January 14, 2010 at 7:06 pm |

    FWIW, I was one of the 50 members of the general public admitted to see the arguement after standing outside in the cold for four hours. The line was surprisingly short (only about 150-ish total) for such a big case, but they only let in 50 of us because so many seats had been reserved (presumably by media and persons connected with the case–these seats were so hard to come by that there were even about a half dozen or so lawyers that worked on the case in the general public line!)

    The crowd was mostly law students/lawyers that were also sports fans. A lot of folks came in NFL-team branded hats and such, but logo clothing isn’t allowed inside. (I thought about wearing some pre-reebok branded apparel before I read the rules).

    In line they handed us tickets to reserve our spots (they we’re technically tickets, just placeholders actually.) Very low rent. Just photocopied cardstock with justice clip art and a box for a number to be written. (That image was taken from elsewhere on the web. mine was a purple card with “18” handwritten in black sharpie). There is something refreshingly democratic about the fact that tickets to the supreme court are lower tech than your average high school football game.

    The hearing was epic–the justices were much more lively than usual. The only justice that didn’t ask a question was Thomas (typically silent). The rest grilled pretty hard, especially Breyer, Scalia, and Sotomayor. Just to highlight two moments that stood out to me:

    This hilarious exchange between (noted Red Sox fan) Justice Breyer and American Needle’s counsel:

    BREYER: I’m asking a question, And I just heard you say that you want, for example, you want the Patriots to sell T-shirts in competition with the Saints, or whoever. The Red Sox. All right, You see the point? The Red Sox — I know baseball better. You want the Red Sox to compete in selling T-shirts with the Yankees; is that right?
    NAGAR: The ability to compete, Yes.
    BREYER: I don’t know a Red Sox fan who would take a Yankees sweatshirt if you gave it away.
    NAGAR: In part. But you’ve got to recognize what the competition is for. The competition is for fans. And the fact of the matter is, you’re right that someone who has lived in New York City for a long time is unlikely to be a Red Sox fan and be easily be persuaded to be a Red Sox fan, but the person who is three years old can easily be persuaded.
    BREYER: They have very small allowances at three years old.

    And finally, the best moment in the case was a rare courtroom-movie kind of gotcha moment between Justice Scalia and the NFL’s counsel:

    SCALIA: So does that mean they [the NFL owners] can agree to fix the price at which their franchises will be sold, by concerted agreement, because after all, they are worthless apart from the NFL?
    LEVY: Could they agree on prices for their franchises to be sold? Yes, I assume they could agree because they are not independent sources of economic power.
    SCALIA: I thought I was reducing it to the absurd!

    After a dramatic pause, the courtroom erupted with laughter and Scalia vaporized him with a death-glare. Awesome.

    This moment was really telling because it revealed just how much power the NFL is asking for from the courts. The idea that 32 separate owners of anything could agree to fix a price is the very definition of collusion and anti-competitive behavior.

    What is plainly faulty about the NFL’s argument is the claim that they only sell merchandise to promote teams. If that was true, they wouldn’t be bothering with an exclusive deal or promoting their merchandise during games. Scalia dismissed this pretty quickly.

    Breyer’s assumption that the teams don’t compete for merchandise is also simplistic: there are fans that collect jerseys, or wear jersey’s of multiple teams. The shirt competition is especially relevant in between markets where the two teams don’t have a specific rivalry–like Maryland-DC-Virginia, where it isn’t uncommon to find fans (such as myself) rooting for both the Nats and the Orioles, or the ‘Skins and the Ravens and buying apparel for both.

  • Nick | January 14, 2010 at 7:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”372276″][quote comment=”372271″]Ah so the Great K.C. Chiefs Helmet Mystery has been solved & with screencaps, nice. There is something very satisfying with articles like this. I have to say I am honestly really impressed. Great job, Paul Lukas![/quote]

    Agreed. Diligence, persistence and hard work pay off. What a lesson for the youth of today! Nice job Paul. I look forward to meeting in MSP next week.[/quote]

    Sorry, but where is the screen grab? I missed it.

    Thanks if you can post it up again ….

  • mike 2 | January 14, 2010 at 7:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”372279″]
    This moment was really telling because it revealed just how much power the NFL is asking for from the courts. The idea that 32 separate owners of anything could agree to fix a price is the very definition of collusion and anti-competitive behavior.
    ….[/quote]

    Thanks for the analysis – very interesting.

    Let me ask you about this one point though – isn’t the very point of the NFL’s case that they aren’t 32 separate owners, that its a single entity and thus incapable of collusion (one entity can’t collude with itself).

    If you make the leap that the NFL is a single entity, then the issue Scalia raises and Levy’s response actually make sense.

  • LI Phil | January 14, 2010 at 7:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”372280″][quote comment=”372276″][quote comment=”372271″]Ah so the Great K.C. Chiefs Helmet Mystery has been solved & with screencaps, nice. There is something very satisfying with articles like this. I have to say I am honestly really impressed. Great job, Paul Lukas![/quote]

    Agreed. Diligence, persistence and hard work pay off. What a lesson for the youth of today! Nice job Paul. I look forward to meeting in MSP next week.[/quote]

    Sorry, but where is the screen grab? I missed it.

    Thanks if you can post it up again ….[/quote]

    it’s paul’s ESPN piece

  • Ricko | January 14, 2010 at 8:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”372278″][quote comment=”372243″][quote comment=”372190″]

    Unknown teams, but Paul’s gotta love those sleeves:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Herewith a guess, partially based on fact: California v. Southern Cal (the latter in the dark jerseys with striped sleeves) in the late 1930s or early 1940s ….[/quote]

    Cal actually wore those sleeves into the early 1960’s. I saw a College Football preseason annual with Craig Morton on the cover wearing that type jersey, with action photos showing him wearing those stripes.[/quote]

    They sure did. I’ve posted this here before…
    http://farm5.static....
    This, too…
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • leon | January 14, 2010 at 8:16 pm |

    Great to see future Cowboys QB Craig Morton referred to as a “nimrod”.

    http://farm5.static....

  • Ricko | January 14, 2010 at 8:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”372284″]Great to see future Cowboys QB Craig Morton referred to as a “nimrod”.

    http://farm5.static....

    How things change. Cutline was written almost 50 years ago.

    nimrod
    1. A mighty hunter. Now chiefly used in this sense outside the United States.
    2. A slow-witted person.
    (from “Urban Dictionary”)

    —Ricko

  • leon | January 14, 2010 at 8:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”372285″][quote comment=”372284″]Great to see future Cowboys QB Craig Morton referred to as a “nimrod”.

    http://farm5.static....

    How things change. Cutline was written almost 50 years ago.

    nimrod
    1. A mighty hunter. Now chiefly used in this sense outside the United States.
    2. A slow-witted person.
    (from “Urban Dictionary”)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    So I’m assuming he’s not a mighty hunter.

  • interlockingtc | January 14, 2010 at 9:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”372276″][quote comment=”372271″]Ah so the Great K.C. Chiefs Helmet Mystery has been solved & with screencaps, nice. There is something very satisfying with articles like this. I have to say I am honestly really impressed. Great job, Paul Lukas![/quote]

    Yup. This was a Uniwatch classic.

  • Komet17 | January 14, 2010 at 9:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”372196″]please refer to paul as Ishmael from now on[/quote]

    Actually, he should be called Ahab; Ishmael was the novel’s narrator, not the captain who was pursuing the whale.

  • aflfan | January 14, 2010 at 9:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”372285″][quote comment=”372284″]Great to see future Cowboys QB Craig Morton referred to as a “nimrod”.

    http://farm5.static....

    How things change. Cutline was written almost 50 years ago.

    nimrod
    1. A mighty hunter. Now chiefly used in this sense outside the United States.
    2. A slow-witted person.
    (from “Urban Dictionary”)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Or someone who plays for any of the teams at Watersmeet (MI) High School

    http://www.watersmee...

  • LI Phil | January 14, 2010 at 9:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”372288″][quote comment=”372196″]please refer to paul as Ishmael from now on[/quote]

    Actually, he should be called Ahab; Ishmael was the novel’s narrator, not the captain who was pursuing the whale.[/quote]

    while that is true, (i considered referring to paul as ahab) but he perished

    if we refer to him as ishmael…he will forever be able to relate the many white whale chasing stories we have out there, as did ishmael recount ahab’s story

  • JimV19 | January 14, 2010 at 9:57 pm |

    Last night the NBA’s Heat and Warriors went color vs. color:
    http://espn-i.starwa...
    Wonder how the folks who live in Oakland, watching a game in Oakland, liked that the Warriors’ throwback jerseys had “San Francisco” on them.

    If they were going to throw back, how about with these? http://images.quickb...
    Or Paul’s favorite? http://www.vtams.biz...

  • aflfan | January 14, 2010 at 9:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”372291″]Last night the NBA’s Heat and Warriors went color vs. color:
    http://espn-i.starwa...
    Wonder how the folks who live in Oakland, watching a game in Oakland, liked that the Warriors’ throwback jerseys had “San Francisco” on them.

    If they were going to throw back, how about with these? http://images.quickb...
    Or Paul’s favorite? http://www.vtams.biz...

    The bottom two are my two favorite basketball uniforms of all time.

  • Bob Loblaw | January 14, 2010 at 10:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”372220″][quote comment=”372130″]I actually have the DVD of that ’62 AFL Championship Game. It’s epic. Curt Gowdy on the call. Jack Buck on the sidelines. There’s a classic moment at halftime where Commissioner Joe Foss honors the players of the year and Len Dawson has to be out there on the field to receive a car or something – at halftime of the championship game of the league![/quote]

    As long as Lenny had the Chiefs matriculating down the field before and after halftime, what’s all the hullabaloo?

    http://www.crazyabou...
    possibly, but this game is played 7 years before Lenny stated ‘matriculating’ down the field.

  • Bob Loblaw | January 14, 2010 at 10:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”372239″][quote comment=”372235″]On the Big Televen makeover’s, here is the one I would like to see:

    The official Indiana colors are Crimson and Cream. So, dump the white and go to cream? Be a trendsetter in football much like the new trend in baseball is “retro” cream unis. I think cream colored hoops unis would be cool and unique, and cream helemts with crimson and cream unis would be pretty cool.

    Not a big fan of any of the proposed helmets, though I think the Penn State one would be fine. I also was surprised I did not completely hate the Michigan flip flop.[/quote]

    Indiana wore cream monochome on the road (with crimson helmets) under Sam Wyche.
    Looked like buttermilk.
    Or maybe walking toaster waffles (pre-toasting).
    Not good.

    (Speaking of white whales…color photos of that uni are extremely tough to find. I’ve googled for them several times. Zip.)

    —Rick[/quote]
    No offense to ricko (God knows I love him) or everyone that posts here—how else can I completely tie up my day???

    But I ‘m starting to think that the ‘white whale’ reference may be getting close to ‘jumping the shark’. :)

  • LI Phil | January 14, 2010 at 10:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”372291″]
    Wonder how the folks who live in Oakland, watching a game in Oakland, liked that the Warriors’ throwback jerseys had “San Francisco” on them.[/quote]

    granted, this is a road uni and it wasn’t worn in texas, but how is that different if the rangers were to throwback to washington senators in texas?

    would the texas fans be pissed?

    i seriously doubt the fans in oakland mind the throwback with “san francisco” on the jersey

  • Bob Loblaw | January 14, 2010 at 10:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”372283″][quote comment=”372278″][quote comment=”372243″][quote comment=”372190″]

    Unknown teams, but Paul’s gotta love those sleeves:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Herewith a guess, partially based on fact: California v. Southern Cal (the latter in the dark jerseys with striped sleeves) in the late 1930s or early 1940s ….[/quote]

    Cal actually wore those sleeves into the early 1960’s. I saw a College Football preseason annual with Craig Morton on the cover wearing that type jersey, with action photos showing him wearing those stripes.[/quote]

    They sure did. I’ve posted this here before…
    http://farm5.static....
    This, too…
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]
    wow…. great sleeve stripes!!! I’d also wear that uniform, if i may borrow a phrase. Alsoo mildly disconcerting to see a younger and definitely more nimble Craig Morton… I just remember him as the Giant’s QB that got sacked 85 times in one year!!!!

    One more on Morton…. has anyone seen him alive after that sack by Randy White in the SuperBowl ?

  • Johnny O | January 14, 2010 at 10:48 pm |

    When looking for Robin Yount cards on ebay, i stumbled across these:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    These are newer cards that just came out, but have really cool old All-Star patches. Some are REALLY ool.

  • Ricko | January 14, 2010 at 10:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”372294″][quote comment=”372239″][quote comment=”372235″]On the Big Televen makeover’s, here is the one I would like to see:

    The official Indiana colors are Crimson and Cream. So, dump the white and go to cream? Be a trendsetter in football much like the new trend in baseball is “retro” cream unis. I think cream colored hoops unis would be cool and unique, and cream helemts with crimson and cream unis would be pretty cool.

    Not a big fan of any of the proposed helmets, though I think the Penn State one would be fine. I also was surprised I did not completely hate the Michigan flip flop.[/quote]

    Indiana wore cream monochome on the road (with crimson helmets) under Sam Wyche.
    Looked like buttermilk.
    Or maybe walking toaster waffles (pre-toasting).
    Not good.

    (Speaking of white whales…color photos of that uni are extremely tough to find. I’ve googled for them several times. Zip.)

    —Rick[/quote]
    No offense to ricko (God knows I love him) or everyone that posts here—how else can I completely tie up my day???

    But I ‘m starting to think that the ‘white whale’ reference may be getting close to ‘jumping the shark’. :)[/quote]

    Hey, I’m only riding that whale today, seeing as we’re entertaining nominees for a new one.

    Of course the downside is, “Ahab will beckon, and all save one will follow.”

    Dibbs on the tattooed harpooner’s coffin!!!

    –Ricko

  • JTH | January 14, 2010 at 10:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”372295″][quote comment=”372291″]
    Wonder how the folks who live in Oakland, watching a game in Oakland, liked that the Warriors’ throwback jerseys had “San Francisco” on them.[/quote]

    granted, this is a road uni and it wasn’t worn in texas, but how is that different if the rangers were to throwback to washington senators in texas?

    would the texas fans be pissed?

    i seriously doubt the fans in oakland mind the throwback with “san francisco” on the jersey[/quote]
    I wonder how many of the fans in attendance even live in Oakland.

    For that matter, I wonder how many San Franciscans were there.

  • JimV19 | January 14, 2010 at 11:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”372295″][quote comment=”372291″]
    Wonder how the folks who live in Oakland, watching a game in Oakland, liked that the Warriors’ throwback jerseys had “San Francisco” on them.[/quote]

    granted, this is a road uni and it wasn’t worn in texas, but how is that different if the rangers were to throwback to washington senators in texas?

    would the texas fans be pissed?

    i seriously doubt the fans in oakland mind the throwback with “san francisco” on the jersey[/quote]

    Not saying they’re mad about it, just curious how they felt. Maybe I just brought it up because I found them a little too bland compared to the other throwbacks.

  • Ricko | January 14, 2010 at 11:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”372299″][quote comment=”372295″][quote comment=”372291″]
    Wonder how the folks who live in Oakland, watching a game in Oakland, liked that the Warriors’ throwback jerseys had “San Francisco” on them.[/quote]

    granted, this is a road uni and it wasn’t worn in texas, but how is that different if the rangers were to throwback to washington senators in texas?

    would the texas fans be pissed?

    i seriously doubt the fans in oakland mind the throwback with “san francisco” on the jersey[/quote]
    I wonder how many of the fans in attendance even live in Oakland.

    For that matter, I wonder how many San Franciscans were there.[/quote]

    Why would they care? It’s a Bay Area team, has been marketed as such for decades. That’s why “Golden State”. I know visiting teams stay at the Ritz-Carlton in San Francisco…at least they did during Thanksgiving week of ’04, because the Hornets (think it was the Hornets, anyway) were on the same floor we were.

    —Ricko

  • Hibbsy | January 14, 2010 at 11:29 pm |

    No time to read comments today.
    The bubblegum Falcon helmet from 1991 has stripes.
    Sorry if it was stated.

    Mich. St. patch=Erik and Parrish Makin…
    My apologies for that one too.

  • JTH | January 14, 2010 at 11:37 pm |

    You axin’ me? I doubt anyone would. But if anyone were to care, I figure it would be Oaklanders.

  • JTH | January 14, 2010 at 11:39 pm |

    oops. I meant to quote Ricko’s last comment.

  • iLO | January 15, 2010 at 10:03 am |

    [quote comment=”372245″]I’ve been trying to google this (like a nerd) to no success. Maybe someone here knows the answer to this question:

    What is the meaning behind the recent influx of football players (both pro and college) doing a gesture where it appears they are scooping food into their mouths with an imaginary spoon?

    Does anyone even know what I’m talking about?[/quote]

    Yes. I saw Ronnie Brown do it at a Fins game i went to this year. It’s either:

    a) I’m eating up yardage/the defense
    b) or it signifies something seen in a music video on MTV/BET or the WWE. I stopped watching music video TV, and wrestling about 6 years ago so I dont know what ‘gestures’..if any, are popular.

    I think it’s more A than B. Manly of these players are like kids….they’ll see something on TV and they’ll do it once the spotlight is on them after a big play.

    Example: Rocafella Records “Dynasty” or “ROC” hand signal.
    http://nahright.com/...

    http://www.tubafrenz...

  • jack | January 15, 2010 at 7:25 pm |

    Very good observation in regard to fan attachment – it’s the interaction of people and the individual teams, not the league, that drives pro football’s popularity. Personally, I don’t even like the NFL – I like football, but not the league itself. I’m almost hoping for no football in 2011 so that the NFL learns that life can go on without them.

  • Collin Wright | January 18, 2010 at 9:24 am |

    Check out the logo on Adrian Peterson’s shirt in the video at the bottom. Interesting play on the Superman motif! http://sportsillustr...