How to Dress A Duck

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By Phil Hecken, with Kenny Ocker and Casey Martin

It isn’t often the University of Oregon makes it to the Rose Bowl, but for those of us who are intrigued by their fascination with never wearing a uniform combination more than once, tracking the Ducks has become great sport. Whether it’s our own Michael Princip with his fantastic “Ducktracker,” or the multitudes of students who are never quite sure what to wear to a game in Autzen, waiting to see “what they will break out” for every game can be as much fun as the game itself. No one does it like Oregon (thankfully), and opinions on what the Ducks wear range the entire gamut from “awful” and “godawful” to “fresh” and “fly.” Whatever you may think of Oregon and it’s tradition — er, maybe that’s not such a great descriptor — one thing we can never accuse them of is being boring.

I have an extra special treat for you today, as one of Uni Watch’s collegiate members, Kenny Ocker, University of Oregon student and aspiring journalist, was able to interview the man who every week selects the uniforms the Ducks will wear, Casey Martin. Kenny was able to get in-depth with Casey, and has some really amazing nuggets to share with us. So, sit down, kick back, and prepare to meet the guy who many feel has the greatest job in the world, the guy who ‘dresses the Ducks.’ But first, a few words from Kenny:

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I’m a lifelong University of Oregon fan and a sophomore journalism major at the school. I’ve been a Uni Watch member since for more than a year now (my card is of Eintracht Frankfurt, the soccer team my mother grew up rooting for… also, I’m the only member with the number 90), and I read the blog well before that. Originally, I think I was led to it by Page 2, but my interest in uniforms existed well before I ever saw Paul’s columns. You probably all recognize me as “The Hemogoblin”… (Okay, maybe I shouldn’t have admitted that.) In the interest of full disclosure, I’m a copy editor for the Oregon Daily Emerald, the student-run daily paper on campus. The Daily Emerald owns my soul.

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And now, here’s Kenny’s interview with Casey Martin:

Kenny Ocker: How did you end up being the person who gets to choose what the football team wears every weekend?

Casey Martin: Well, it’s kind of an interesting story. I go down there and shoot the breeze with the guys in the coaches’ office… This summer, when they had this black box of all of the drawings of the new uniforms, and I was excited, just going, “Ah, these are awesome”, and he [head coach Chip Kelly] goes “Why don’t you pick our uniforms for us?” and I said “What are you talking about?” He said, “Well, I’ve got enough to do, I don’t want to worry about it; you do it for us. We’ve got too much going on.” I was like “sure, yeah, great” but I kind of thought he was joking, but as time went on I started realizing that he was probably pretty serious and so basically that’s how it happened, it was just kind of a casual deal, it wasn’t any really formal process, so I go down there, and the way it works, it’s not like I pick them. I mean, I guess I pick them, but not really. Chip is in charge. But he brings me down, we shoot the breeze, we lay out stuff, and then he selects what we lay out. He’s still the guy. He does what he wants to do, and he has a lot of opinions about stuff from a football perspective. Mentally, for the team, he likes to overcome, like in the past we’ve lost in certain uniforms and he wants to use them so we can overcome them. Or, if in bigger games, like in the USC week, he wanted to do something low-key, so it wouldn’t be a bigger feel… he’s definitely involved, he has a purpose for it. My purpose is to go in there and have fun.

KO: So this started this year?

CM: Yeah.

KO: What was your favorite uniform combination this year?

CM: You know what? I… That’s a good question. I actually kind of liked some of the away uniforms to be honest. I like the black-white-black, and I like the really standard stuff like green-white-white, and some of the cleaner stuff I like, I like the black-yellow-black. I don’t know if I have a favorite to be honest. There were a few that were interesting and that weren’t received quite as well. I liked the USC week. I like them all, but there were some of them I liked more.

KO: Do you know whose idea it was for the Civil War, who put the new logo on the throwback helmet?

CM: That is a great question. I think how it shook out was this: We went into his office, and Chip was like “Look, we’ve got to go school colors because the Beavers will be in black,” which we all agreed. He goes, “I love the green throwback jersey, so lets do something with that.” But the rules are, you can’t use anything twice. So, it was like, okay, throwback jersey, but we can’t do the full throwback again, so it was like “OK, what do you do?” So, I went in there and what I did was I laid out a bunch of stuff and I took pictures of it all, so you can see how it shakes out. I went in there and started laying out all of these things for him to decide, and “Hey, these are all of the things you can do with the throwback jerseys, or what you might like to do with school colors.” He liked the white pants, so we were going to go with that right there. I think it came out of, one time we were going to talk about the white green white, which we haven’t worn yet, which is my favorite combo but we haven’t worn it yet and he was going “Why don’t we put the old UO on the white-green-white” so that was what we were talking about. And I think it was my idea, but it might have been Chip’s too, to say let’s just go throwback and put the new O on it. So I called the guy down in the equipment room, and said can we do this, can we put the new O on the throwback and he goes no, we don’t have enough time to do the stickers and stuff, and then Chip found out and he goes “Forget it, you’re doing it”, so it was kind of a combination of both of us, we were just thinking of new ways of doing the throwback without repeating it, and that might happen for the Rose Bowl too, we’ll see.

KO: Why did we never wear the chrome helmets that we had?

CM: You’ll have to ask Chip. I tried, that was one thing, I tried for six weeks to do that. One time, he polled the team, and they didn’t want to wear them for an away game, and so we were going to wear them maybe for a home game, but then it got really cold, and there’s some issue with temperature on them and the paint jobs, and so, I don’t know, you’d have to ask Chip. I definitely wanted to, I was dying for it, but he… the one USC week, he didn’t want to do anything out of the ordinary, because there was so much hype about it, and so we didn’t bring them out that week, and then the team didn’t want to wear them I don’t think at Arizona on an away game, we wanted to debut them at a home game, and then for Oregon State, we decided to go throwback, so that’s kind of how they got… they were late to come in too, so that was another thing, they had issues, so they didn’t really get cleared until the USC game and then we just never did it.

KO: I was curious because they got so much attention when they first came out, so I was just curious about that…

CM: It was more Chip’s decision and the team’s decision that they didn’t and I think they’ll save them for next year.

KO: So the team has a say in what they wear too?

CM: Sometimes. Like I said, even though I got tagged as the coordinator, everyone’s got a say. I just go in there and shoot the breeze with the guys and have fun with it. It’s really informal. It’s not like I go in there and say “this is it”, this is what we’re doing, it’s not like that at all.

KO: How long is the “we don’t repeat combinations”? Is that just a year?

CM: [laughter] Let’s hope that it’s just for a year.

KO: We have enough combinations, we could probably go a few seasons without repeating anything.

CM: I hear you… The idea was, what Chip said, let’s not repeat, let’s do something different every week. And then he’ll give you directions, so you kind of have to come up with the best-looking outfit.

KO: Because Coach Kelly didn’t want all of the extra attention during the week leading up to the USC game, is that why they didn’t wear all black, even though the students had planned the blackout? It had gotten so much hype… I mean, the Daily Emerald had even blacked out the paper

CM: That was just kind of, Chip’s decision that he didn’t want to let the kids get caught up in a lot of that stuff. He just said “hey, it’s just another game” which I really respect, I think it was a great idea. Let’s not do anything out of the ordinary, it’s just another game for us.

KO: It worked…

CM: Yeah, exactly. It worked really well.

KO: So, um… yeah… This is the money question… What are we wearing for the Rose Bowl?

CM: We do not know yet.

KO: Have you not decided, or are you just hiding it?

CM: We have not decided. I was just down there right before I came down here. We have some ideas, we’re basically down to two or three options, but we do not know yet.

KO: Are you going to go with the throwbacks again, like throwback whites?

CM: It’s possible, I don’t know.

KO: I tried.

CM: I can’t tell you, even if I did know. Chip likes it to be secret until Saturday.

KO: I don’t blame him, it’s kind of a big deal for the program. That’s one of our things that, it helps, it draws so much more attention to us when they don’t know what we’re going to be wearing until right then. I do have another question for you. When we went, during the Oregon State game, during that week, all of the pictures on GoDucks.com (the athletic department’s website), had been from the Cal game, so they were all in the throwbacks. Did they know before the game that you were going to go throwbacks? Did they just guess and get lucky?

CM: Yeah. The decision for that wasn’t made until Tuesday. They don’t know unless Chip told them that’s what he was doing. That decision on what we were wearing, I don’t think it was made until Monday or Tuesday.

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Well, there you have it. Everything you wanted to know about Oregon’s uniforms and the man behind them. Fantastic job with that Kenny! Special thanks, also, go out to Casey Martin for allowing Kenny that access. As the days tick down towards the Rose Bowl, I, for one, am greatly anticipating what the Ducks will wear, almost as much as I am for the kickoff on New Year’s Day.

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wild fireSome rather bad news in the uni world happened yesterday, as the Minnesota Wild’s equipment van caught fire in Ottawa. Since the Wild are scheduled to play the Senators tonight, naturally their equipment truck preceded the team into Canada. Details are still somewhat sketchy, but this we do know: around 2:30 pm Eastern Friday the truck, which was in the Scotiabank parking lot, caught fire and almost all of the Wild’s equipment was basically turned into a mess of melted and charred unis and equipment. While no one was, fortunately, hurt in said meltdown, this leaves the Wild in quite a quandry. This is certainly a rarity in sports, but hardly unique. UW Prexy Paul Lukas gave us a look at some similar situations that have occurred in the history of sport.

Hockey players, like most athletes, are creatures of habit, and their equipment and uniforms are vital to their performance. Despite Rbk’s claims that their uniforms are 274% lighter, wick sweat away better than a Sham Wow and can withstand heat and fire better than a race car driver’s suit, apparently the uniforms, like the players who wear them, are mortal. Thus, the Wild are sans-unis and equipment, at least for now. The Minneapolis Star-Trib is reporting the players are still debating whether to actually play the game — since they would be required to basically play in brand new equipment. I’m no hockey player, but I understand that new equipment basically requires a solid two weeks to break in, leaving them at a decided disadvantage. And, there’s also a problem of replacing the uniforms.

The team’s official statement, as of yesterday evening, was this:

There was a fire in an equipment van in the parking lot at Scotiabank Place this afternoon. No one was injured, but some of the Minnesota Wild’s hockey equipment was damaged. The Wild is in the process of taking inventory to determine the damage to the equipment. Minnesota is scheduled to play at Ottawa Saturday at 6:00 p.m.

At 6:00 pm on Friday, the team held a meeting and decided to carry on as best they could — but not only do they need to have all new equipment shipped to Ottawa (or find some there), they’ll have to have all new uniforms (or at least whatever wasn’t consumed in the conflagration) sent to Canada. So, perhaps the Wild will be wearing darks instead of normal road whites. If you take a look at some of the damage photos, you’ll see that the very little is recognizable in the charred remains besides gear bags. As of late Friday night, tho, the uniforms were probably of less concern than the equipment.

Probably the biggest loss belongs to goalie Niklas Backstrom, whose equipment was completely incinerated in the fire. Given that goalies are even more superstitious and about their equipment than most skaters, it’s difficult to imagine him being any where near comfortable in all new gear.

Any of you hockey guys wanna discuss this below? Maybe keep us apprised of any developments as the day goes along? Or just want to explain the importance of having a modicum of comfort and feel for one’s gear? It’s hard for me to imagine the depths of this loss.

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nfl uni tweaksOur next round of NFL uniform tweaks/revisions and concepts is upon us.

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First up is Walter Young, who brings his ideas on how to fix the J-E-T-S…Jets Jets Jets:

Phil,

First off, I rather like the Jets current uniform in general. I am not a big fan their green/green, or white/white combinations. I prefer the contrasting jersey/pants look.

I had to borrow all of my graphics, and then went to work with my high-tech crayons (MS Paint). The uniform templates and designs came fro TAG Team Uniforms uniform designer. I just matched jerseys & pants I felt best complimented the other. I scavenged graphics from Chris Creamer’s sportslogos.net (helmets, name plates, sock templates).

All four uniform sets I use the Jets current Hunter/Forest Green and White colors, along with bringing back the old Kelly Green as an accent color (well, as close as I could come to those colors). I made no changes to the Jets current helmet or logo. The set numbering is just my preference after I was done putting them together.

Sets 1 (here) and 3 (here) are essentially modernized versions of the Jets current jerseys with contrasting sleeves and torsos.

Sets 2 (here) and 4 (here) are both takes on modernized solid torsos with contrasting yoke/sleeves. Set 4 came out way to “Tennessee Titians” for my liking, but to much work was put in not to submit it.

Of course, any critiques would be appreciated.

Walt (FormerDirtDart)

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Next up is Daniel Patterson, who has some suggestions for the Seattle Seahawks:

Hi Phil,

It took seeing the green alternates to realize the biggest issue with Seattle’s uniforms. The 2-tone sleeves. They look okay on the away jersey and are easily overlooked on the home, but they look stupid with the green.

On the home uniform, I changed the color of the sleeves and put some stripes on the socks (and of course I chose white pants.). I did the same for the away.

When the Seahawks redesigned their uniforms, they let the fans vote on whether to have blue or gray helmets. I voted for gray, so I thought I’d like to see what gray helmets, plus the required gray pants would look like.

Now that I had a gray helmet, I put together a faux-back. I used the current logo and shade of green. I don’t mind the green, in fact it is a naturally occurring color in the Pacific Northwest, even in December. Which led me to my last endevour. “Can I get a green jersey to work?”

The blue pants just won’t work, they need to be lighter than the green. The helmet needs to match the pants, so that left me with 2 options: gray helmet/pants and white helmet/pants. I don’t think they’ll be using those combos anytime soon, but I think they look better than what they trotted out against Chicago. Plus, the white on green would have fitted right in with the AFL.

Dan Patterson

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Our next tweaker is Michael Fullmer, who brings us these San Francisco 49ers modifications:

Hey, Phil!

I love Uni Watch! I’m glad there are people out there like you (and me) who care about good uniforms.

First, let me start by saying the I loved the 1998-2008 49ers uniform. LOVED IT! I was salty in the extreme when the new look was unveiled. I called it the Willie “Too Big” Hall uniform, paraphrasing the immortal line from the Blues Brothers movie, “At least we got a change of clothes. You’re wearing the same shit you had on four decades ago”.

I have since softened to the new look, especially the colors; the ’08 colors WERE too dark. But there are three elements of the uniform I still hate passionately: the 1/4 sleeves, the Red-White-Red “NFL stripes” on the helmet and pants, and the MF’ing gray face masks.

To me, nothing screams “I don’t have the first clue how to design a uniform” like a gray facemask where gray isn’t a color in the team’s uniform palette. It’s fine for the Cowboys, Raiders, and Giants to have gray facemasks. It’s an abortion of uniform design for the 49ers, Cardinals, and Browns to do it. The Colts get a pass since technically they don’t have a third color in their pallette.

I know you love NFL stripes, but to me they scream, “1969, all the time!”. And those sleeves – UGH!

So I took the 49ers uniform template available here (to make this a true tweak). My starting concept was to develop a single stripe pattern for the whole uniform. The one pattern that I saw as being a fit for helmet, jersey, pants, and socks was that used by the Giants on their road jersey sleeves.

Then I flattened out the sleeves into more of a 1/3 to 1/2 sleeve, and changed the facemask color back to red. The end result is this — a uniform that eliminates the cliche gray facemask and “NFL stripes” while maintaining links to the past.

Michael Fullmer

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And rounding out today’s set of uniform tweaks is Jay Braiman, who also has some ideas for the New York Jets:

I’ve always thought the Jets needed to move their upper sleeve striping down just a bit, perhaps by reversing the colors of the shoulder inserts. I’m not very good at this, so I thought I’d make an attempt using MS Paint. Simply reversing the shoulder inserts didn’t make much difference, so I redrew the stripes further down.

Note the side-on views eliminate the Reebok logo above the TV numeral. This should make Paul happy, but it would probably have to be on there somewhere.

- JB

Thanks to everyone who sent in their revisions for this round. Keep ‘em coming. Lots more to get to after this.

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benchies headerIt’s hockey season now, and dontcha know, the boys from Bub’s Pub play pond puck too! Here’s Ricko:

“I’m dreaming of a…” freshly plowed rink. The temp has dropped, boards have gone up, water’s gone down, and nature has taken its course. It’s BNIB (Broomball Night in BenchiesLand).

Enjoy your Saturday Benchies.

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scoreboardGuess The Game From The Scoreboard: We’ve got another reader submission today, and this one comes from Peter Greenberg. It’s a doozy folks, since it’s MiLB. You’ll probably be able to get the location, but the date, teams and final score may prove a bit trickier. Please post a LINK to the answer, and not the answer itself, in the comments below. Ready? Guess The Game From The Scoreboard. And, as always, if you enjoy the game, please send me some new scoreboards! Drop me a line. Thanks!

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That’s going to do it for today folks. Special huge thanks to Kenny Ocker and Casey Martin for that look into the Ducks uniform machinations. And you hockey guys, love to hear your take (and any updates) on the developing situation with the Wild gear and unis. Everyone from the Carolinas north and east through the New England states — be ready for some real winter weather today. Me, I’m under a blizzard warning, so this could be interesting.

Have a great Saturday.

 

193 comments to How to Dress A Duck

  • cityroute16 | December 19, 2009 at 8:30 am |

    Fantastic insight to the UO football unis. Wish more teams had options. Can’t wait to see the Rose Bowl!

  • Patrick in MI | December 19, 2009 at 8:37 am |

    To Terence (he of the NY Mets DIY jacket): I apologize for my comment yesterday if it sounded kind of snippy or highbrow. Due to work/holidays/etc I’ve been in a bad mood. It’s not like me to be a “hit-n-run” commenter. It was definitely worth it to pay $14 for them to sew on the patches! I myself have bought a pullover jacket with the CCHA (college hockey) logo on it and am looking to sew patches from each school on to it. Trouble is finding patches for schools like Nebraska-Omaha and Alaska. Anyway, Merry Christmas to you and all the rest of the Uniwatch family.

    /where the hell is the preview box?!

  • Jet | December 19, 2009 at 8:58 am |

    As a former goalie, I can say it will tough on the Wild netminders, especially with the glove/blocker and leg pads, which really need to be broken in to feel comfortable. Skaters will also have a problem with new skates, which take a while to flex and form to your foot shape.

    Not a favorable situation for playing, but they almost have to because not playing makes them look like a bunch of wussies…

  • Ryan B | December 19, 2009 at 9:10 am |

    I got the scoreboard! Go me!

    http://web.minorleag...

  • Randy Miller | December 19, 2009 at 9:28 am |

    Casey Martin is the UO golf coach and the former professional who was embroiled in the lawsuit against the PGA Tour. He has coached the Ducks to two straight NCAA tournaments.

  • MEMAL | December 19, 2009 at 9:28 am |

    Dan Patterson: I too agree with getting rid of the off color sleeves, it just doesn’t make sense to me why they even went down that road. I liked seeing those different looks for the Seahawks and it kind of made me miss the silver in their uniforms.

  • ren | December 19, 2009 at 9:46 am |

    if anyone has a facebook search in uniform and go to tenessee black uniform

  • Hibbs | December 19, 2009 at 10:17 am |

    It’s a shame that it was their equipment that was burned in the fire and not their team name instead.

  • Chris Burks | December 19, 2009 at 10:23 am |

    I just want to say that it will be very tough on the Wild players to break in all new equipment. The skates will be the biggest problem even with the new break-in techniques of baking the skate to form to your foot, that only cuts down on the time, but dose not eliminate it. I couldn’t imagine trying to break-in new equipment again, I have had my equipment since my freshmen year in high school…..

  • the rAKe | December 19, 2009 at 10:29 am |

    Has anyone commented why Manchester City is the only EPL team to wear a NOB that is not arched?

  • Nick | December 19, 2009 at 10:32 am |

    UNI TWEAKS ….

    49ers – northwaestern stripes on jersey is OK, but not on pants or helmets. Even then, your’e simply riping off the Giants …

    awks – Gray/Green/Gray looks pretty GOOD and intriguing, withour even remotely resembling anything the Eagles ever wore. Also, why not wear the Blue jerseys with the White pants? I simply don’t get the Middle Schol, Monochrome facination at all. Why not go Blue/Blue/Blue for Homecoming (ha!) or saving that look for games when we already have the miserability of listening to NFL Network announcers doing a game.

    Jets – none of the “mordernizations” improve anything. An argument can be made tha the Jets uni is the very best uni that they can wear, and that their design is the best that it can be (assuming the Green pants are NEVER worn again.

    Any being the best that you can be, having the best uni that you can have while working with your colors and traditions and visual likability, is what I believe uniwatching is all about!

  • Nick | December 19, 2009 at 10:39 am |

    UNI TWEAKS … (spellings corrected)!

    Sorry for the above illiterate posting … Here’s my take on the tweaks above.

    49ers – Northwestern stripes on jersey is OK, but not on pants or helmets. Strays too far fro a good look and established team identity without adding anything good. Even then with the jerseys only, your’e simply riping off the Giants’ White jersey …

    Seahawks – Gray/Green/Gray looks pretty GOOD and intriguing, withour even remotely resembling anything the Eagles ever wore. Probably the tweak that I like the most. Also, for their urrent uni, why not wear the Blue jerseys with the White pants? I simply don’t get the Middle School Monochrome fascination at all.

    Why not go Blue/Blue/Blue for Homecoming (ha!) or saving that look for games when we already have the miserability of listening to NFL Network announcers or Ron Jawarski doing a game.

    Jets – none of the “modernizations” improve anything. In fact, they look like the Tommy Maddox LA Xtreme from the XFL. What food could that be?

    A good argument can be made that the current Jets uni is the very best uni that they can wear, and that their design is the best that it can be (assuming the Green pants are NEVER, EVER worn again).

    Being the best that you can be, having the best uni that you can have while working with your colors and traditions and visual likability, is what I believe uniwatching is all about!

  • The Ol Goaler | December 19, 2009 at 10:43 am |

    I don’t know how much of the Wild’s equipment was destroyed… you might see backup goalie Josh Harding play against the Sens, if his equipment is available.

    Some players use practice to break-in their skates; they’ll have a “game” pair and a “practice” pair… others only change their gear when forced to! Craig Ludwig’s shinpads were held together with duct tape!

  • Goalie007 | December 19, 2009 at 10:50 am |

    As a goalie, there’s nothing worse than trying to break in new gear, especially skates. The last new pair of goal skates I bought took a good 2 months for me to get comfortable in, even after they were baked. Mortal pain the first couple of times out. Goal pads can pretty much be worn right off the shelf now, and I’m sure Vaughn can pre-break Backstrom’s blocker and catching glove for him. The chest protector will be an issue, due to stiffness (as well as the pants), and the mask will be an issue. Same goes for the skaters, should be an interesting game to watch.

  • Goalie007 | December 19, 2009 at 10:55 am |

    From NHL.COM -

    “Very little happened on the ice at the Minnesota Wild’s practice on Friday at Kanata Rec Centre in Kanata, Ontario, but things changed afterward. An equipment truck carrying some of the Minnesota Wild’s gear caught fire in the Scotiabank Place parking lot. There were no injuries to anyone aboard the van.

    The members of the Wild’s front office staff are currently in the process of determining the damage to the equipment, and the team has released the following statement:

    “There was a fire in an equipment van in the parking lot at Scotiabank Place this afternoon. Some of the Minnesota Wild’s equipment has been damaged. The Wild is in the process of taking inventory to determine the damage to our equipment.”

    Assistant Equipment Manager Brent Proulx, who travels with the team tonight, is going to board a plane back to Minnesota tonight. Proulx, Assistant Equipment Manager Matt Benz and Chris Pietrzak-Wegner will gather replacement equipment and load it onto a plane bound for Ottawa at 5:30 AM tomorrow morning.

    The plane that will carry the trio and the equipment is scheduled to carry the NBA’s Milwaukee Bucks home from Cleveland following their game tonight. The plane was originally scheduled to fly from Milwaukee to Ottawa tomorrow night. It will now fly to the Twin Cities tonight, and then quickly turn around and head to Canada tomorrow morning with the replacement equipment in tow.

    The Wild’s team bus had departed the practice rink separately and dropped several players off at a local restaurant area. Head Coach Todd Richards was notified just as the bus pulled into the hotel parking lot. Richards returned to the scene with Assistant to the General Manager, Jim Mill, and PR coordinator, Ryan Stanzel.”

  • Adam | December 19, 2009 at 11:09 am |

    I was a winger and I couldn’t imagine having to wear new equipment in a game on day 1. Superstition aside, I wouldn’t want to deal with the blisters, chaffing, etc.

  • Teebz | December 19, 2009 at 11:15 am |

    This just in: the Wild offices have been flooded with calls from fans asking if there is anything that they can do to help, including packing boxes and bags for immediate shipment to Ottawa via a chartered plane.

    Backstrom has back-up equipment in Minny, and will probably opt for that. The rest of the players have the majority of a second set of equipment as well, but most of it is in Minny.

    As developments occur, I’ll let everyone know.

  • James Craven | December 19, 2009 at 11:26 am |

    In today’s PIAA State Championship football games, the officials are wearing black pants due to the weather. The games are streaming on http://www.pcntv.com outside Pennsylvania.

  • M.Princip | December 19, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    Kudos to Kenny Ocker for an excellent interview w/Casey Martin. My guess, or, how I would dress the Ducks for the Rose Bowl: Throwback yellow helmet with new O, new green jersey with yellow carbon wings, retro yellow pants, and black/yellow shoes.

  • S. Bennett | December 19, 2009 at 11:34 am |

    The biggest problem for the Wild players isn’t gear. It’s pretty easy to raid your farm team and take their worked in equipment if you really don’t want to use new stuff. Even skates, for a few games.

    The REAL problem lies in braces, orthodics and customizations that different athletes need in order to perform. Thats’ the stuff that can’t be replaced overnight, and will likely postpone the game.

  • Shane | December 19, 2009 at 11:51 am |

    [quote comment="367503"]I got the scoreboard! Go me!

    http://web.minorleag...

    Hey, I was there! I’m glad they’re making Futures at Fenway an annual event, it’s a great day out for families and wicked inexpensive.

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 19, 2009 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment="367510"]UNI TWEAKS ….

    Jets – none of the “mordernizations” improve anything. An argument can be made tha the Jets uni is the very best uni that they can wear, and that their design is the best that it can be (assuming the Green pants are NEVER worn again.
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    I agree… like, a LOT.

  • Mark K | December 19, 2009 at 11:56 am |

    Benchies cracked me up.

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 19, 2009 at 11:58 am |

    [quote comment="367516"]This just in: the Wild offices have been flooded with calls from fans asking if there is anything that they can do to help, including packing boxes and bags for immediate shipment to Ottawa via a chartered plane.

    Backstrom has back-up equipment in Minny, and will probably opt for that. The rest of the players have the majority of a second set of equipment as well, but most of it is in Minny.

    As developments occur, I’ll let everyone know.[/quote]
    Hockey fans are the best.

  • Giancarlo | December 19, 2009 at 12:09 pm |

    The Jets going back to kelly green would be an improvement. And fixing the upper sleeve stripe as Jay is trying to do would be another improvement (if the shirt seams don’t get in the way). The Jets perfected their unis in 1964 & everything since has been a dis-improvement. Sorry to be such a reactionary.

  • Geen! | December 19, 2009 at 12:09 pm |

    Most pro hockey players do take the time to break in spare sets of equipment for practice — especially goalkeeper pads. The current sets are much easier to break in than the leather and horsehair leg guards of the past.

    I think the Wild will suck it up and get the game in.

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 19, 2009 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment="367524"]The Jets going back to kelly green would be an improvement. And fixing the upper sleeve stripe as Jay is trying to do would be another improvement (if the shirt seams don’t get in the way). The Jets perfected their unis in 1964 & everything since has been a dis-improvement. Sorry to be such a reactionary.[/quote]
    a) I think the Hunter Green is better and b) the stripes being fubar is more a function of the jersey cuts changing than the Jets making some inane stylistic choice.

  • Ryan B | December 19, 2009 at 12:19 pm |

    [quote comment="367520"][quote comment="367503"]I got the scoreboard! Go me!

    http://web.minorleag...

    Hey, I was there! I’m glad they’re making Futures at Fenway an annual event, it’s a great day out for families and wicked inexpensive.[/quote]

    That’s how I knew what it was: that game had to have been part of Futures at Fenway. From there it was just a matter of finding what year Portland played Harrisburg.

  • mtjaws | December 19, 2009 at 12:26 pm |

    I recall Florida State football losing a lot of their equipment in a truck fire while driving back from NC State. I can’t find an article, but they had enough time before their next game. This hockey game should be fun to watch though, to see what happens.

    Benchies was great again today. Is the blog still under construction?

  • Ricko | December 19, 2009 at 12:34 pm |

    [quote comment="367529"]I recall Florida State football losing a lot of their equipment in a truck fire while driving back from NC State. I can’t find an article, but they had enough time before their next game. This hockey game should be fun to watch though, to see what happens.

    Benchies was great again today. Is the blog still under construction?[/quote]

    Thanks. Yeah, working on it. Not exactly at warp speed, though. LOL

    —Ricko

  • Jet | December 19, 2009 at 12:38 pm |

    [quote comment="367519"]The biggest problem for the Wild players isn’t gear. It’s pretty easy to raid your farm team and take their worked in equipment if you really don’t want to use new stuff. Even skates, for a few games.

    The REAL problem lies in braces, orthodics and customizations that different athletes need in order to perform. Thats’ the stuff that can’t be replaced overnight, and will likely postpone the game.[/quote]

    Hmmm, I don’t think trying to fit into another player’s used equipment is any easier than trying to play with brand new equipment. You’re still dealing with a plethora of “little” things like the rocker of a player’s skate; every player has the skate sharpened to his own exact preferences and if you’ve ever tried to skate on skates that have a different rocker than what you’re used to, you could be falling all over the place. (By rocker I mean the curvature of the blade from the toe to the heel)

  • Giancarlo | December 19, 2009 at 12:38 pm |

    I miss kelly green in sports in general. I was just wondering, did the Jets switch to hunter/forest when they overhauled their uni in 1978 or was it later?

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 19, 2009 at 12:42 pm |

    [quote comment="367532"]I miss kelly green in sports in general. I was just wondering, did the Jets switch to hunter/forest when they overhauled their uni in 1978 or was it later?[/quote]
    My only real issue with the kelly green is that there isn’t quite enough contrast between the green and white without some 3rd color providing the accents (no no no no. no-ness.). I’d rather just have the darker green to begin with and stick with the 2 colors.

  • Yoke | December 19, 2009 at 12:47 pm |

    Here’s an article about the team losing their gear today: http://www.startribu...

    And here is what everyone lost from the Star Tribune Wild blog:

    Zidlicky-Good

    Johnsson-Good

    Zanon-Lost a ton, but not his knee brace

    Stoner-Skates and pants only saved

    Koivu-Everything lost but skates

    Kobasew-Good

    Havlat–Everything lost, but they found a set of skates he used to wear in Chicago and put on a new blade

    Brunette-Good

    Ebbett-Everything gone

    Miettinen-Everything gone

    Clutterbuck-Everything gone

    Brodziak-Good

    Boogaard-Good

    Belanger-Good

    Hnidy–Everything gone, and two left skates burned

    Scott-Everything gone

    Earl-Everything gone

    Backstrom-Everything gone

    Harding-Everything gone

    Sheppard–Everything gone, except, get this, his contacts and a mouthguard

    Schultz-Everything gone, had skates picked up at his house that he wears in pond hockey and he went to Play It Again sports to buy shoulder pads he likes

    Latendresse-Good

  • Ricko | December 19, 2009 at 1:00 pm |

    [quote comment="367532"]I miss kelly green in sports in general. I was just wondering, did the Jets switch to hunter/forest when they overhauled their uni in 1978 or was it later?[/quote]

    Pretty sure the switch to forest/hunter came when they went back to the white helmets…meaning the current set. Last green helmets definitely were kelly.

    Personally, I’d prefer kelly on the current set, but I like the current ones, too (‘cept for the forest pants, yuk, very minor league)…and of course the supplier doesn’t try very hard to make the shoulder striping and panels work right.

    As to absense of contrast, on the color value scale, kelly-white about the same as scarlet-white or royal-white. And certainly kelly-white served the Celtics well for decades, as it did the Namath Jets and, until a shift to forest a few years ago, Michigan State, too.

    —Ricko

  • The Jeff | December 19, 2009 at 1:02 pm |

    [quote comment="367532"]I miss kelly green in sports in general. I was just wondering, did the Jets switch to hunter/forest when they overhauled their uni in 1978 or was it later?[/quote]

    The hunter/forest/toodamndark green didn’t start until 1998 when they switched to the retro uniforms.

    http://cdn.bleacherr...

    vs

    http://blog.ingameno...

  • Ricko | December 19, 2009 at 1:05 pm |

    Oh, man, too bad Ravens game in Baltimore isn’t today. If they actually played it (already shifted it from 1 to 4 p.m. game tomorrow).

    Talking about 15-20 inches of snow there today. Would be the blizzard game of all time.

    Just heard that something like 50 million people will get 5 or more inches of snow in this storm.

    Hang in there, east coast UWers. You’ll get through it.

    Been there, done that.

    —Ricko

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 19, 2009 at 1:06 pm |

    [quote comment="367535"][quote comment="367532"]I miss kelly green in sports in general. I was just wondering, did the Jets switch to hunter/forest when they overhauled their uni in 1978 or was it later?[/quote]

    Pretty sure the switch to forest/hunter came when they went back to the white helmets…meaning the current set. Last green helmets definitely were kelly.

    Personally, I’d prefer kelly on the current set, but I like the current ones, too (‘cept for the forest pants, yuk, very minor league)…and of course the supplier doesn’t try very hard to make the shoulder striping and panels work right.

    As to absense of contrast, on the color value scale, kelly-white about the same as scarlet-white or royal-white. And certainly kelly-white served the Celtics well for decades, as it did the Namath Jets and, until a shift to forest a few years ago, Michigan State, too.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    This doesn’t look ‘kelly green’ to me. Anyway, my point is that the Jets’ current green works better for me. Clearly your mileage may vary.

  • M.Princip | December 19, 2009 at 1:08 pm |

    http://www.flickr.co...

    Daniel Patterson, great job with those Seahawks unis donning the gray pants,

  • Kaptain K | December 19, 2009 at 1:19 pm |

    [quote comment="367522"]Benchies cracked me up.[/quote]

    Me too! Hats off to Ricko, he’s an accomplished illustrator who’s actually quite funny from time to time… well, alright, MOST of the time!

    Looking forward to the colored Sunday edition of Benchies as well; it’s a real nice touch.

    Thanks Ricko!!

  • Ricko | December 19, 2009 at 1:22 pm |

    [quote comment="367538"][quote comment="367535"][quote comment="367532"]I miss kelly green in sports in general. I was just wondering, did the Jets switch to hunter/forest when they overhauled their uni in 1978 or was it later?[/quote]

    Pretty sure the switch to forest/hunter came when they went back to the white helmets…meaning the current set. Last green helmets definitely were kelly.

    Personally, I’d prefer kelly on the current set, but I like the current ones, too (‘cept for the forest pants, yuk, very minor league)…and of course the supplier doesn’t try very hard to make the shoulder striping and panels work right.

    As to absense of contrast, on the color value scale, kelly-white about the same as scarlet-white or royal-white. And certainly kelly-white served the Celtics well for decades, as it did the Namath Jets and, until a shift to forest a few years ago, Michigan State, too.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    This doesn’t look ‘kelly green’ to me. Anyway, my point is that the Jets’ current green works better for me. Clearly your mileage may vary.[/quote]

    Just a dark photo. Since at least the ’50s Celts have worn only kelly green.

    “You could look it up.”–Casey Stengel

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | December 19, 2009 at 1:25 pm |

    Wow. You sure get strange emails during a snowstorm. This from a friend in NJ, southeast of Philadelphia….

    “I’ve got at least over 7″ now..and it’s still coming.”

  • Mike Miller | December 19, 2009 at 1:39 pm |

    In related snowpocalypse news…Paul’s annual purple hell game, otherwise known as the Division III Football Championship between Mt. Union and Wis.-Whitewater, has been postponed to 4 p.m. today because of the weather.

  • BattleRed | December 19, 2009 at 1:45 pm |

    I have a few ideas for some NFL uni tweaks, but beyond a little copy and pasting, am not sure how to do one that doesn’t look like a 5 year old made it. Any uni tweaking tips or suggestions out there for a guy with average computer skills?

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 19, 2009 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment="367544"]I have a few ideas for some NFL uni tweaks, but beyond a little copy and pasting, am not sure how to do one that doesn’t look like a 5 year old made it. Any uni tweaking tips or suggestions out there for a guy with average computer skills?[/quote]
    Use EA Sports’ NCAA Uni Creater thingie. Here.

  • leon | December 19, 2009 at 2:00 pm |

    From the similar situations reference:

    “1978: San Antonio’s Mike Gale finds his uniform missing prior to a Spurs/Bullets playoff game in Washington. With no backup uni available, he resorts to wearing an inside-out Bullets road uniform.”

    Another oddity associated with this game (not to make this about me but I was in attendance): Midway through the 2nd half, just as the Spurs were mounting a terrific comeback, the power went out in Capital Centre and the place went dark. It was some time (I can’t recall exactly) before it was restored, by which time the momentum had been lost and the Bulllets went on to win, what I recall as the deciding game. Also, my recollection (fuzzy, at best) was that Mike Gale was not the only Spur who had to resort to a sub-uni.

    Anyway, thankfully nobody was hurt in the Wild fire.

  • Mike Engle | December 19, 2009 at 2:01 pm |

    [quote comment="367546"]From the similar situations reference:

    “1978: San Antonio’s Mike Gale finds his uniform missing prior to a Spurs/Bullets playoff game in Washington. With no backup uni available, he resorts to wearing an inside-out Bullets road uniform.”

    Another oddity associated with this game (not to make this about me but I was in attendance): Midway through the 2nd half, just as the Spurs were mounting a terrific comeback, the power went out in Capital Centre and the place went dark. It was some time (I can’t recall exactly) before it was restored, by which time the momentum had been lost and the Bulllets went on to win, what I recall as the deciding game. Also, my recollection (fuzzy, at best) was that Mike Gale was not the only Spur who had to resort to a sub-uni.

    Anyway, thankfully nobody was hurt in the Wild fire.[/quote]
    Same exact game featured in the Elvin Hayes cover?

  • The Hemogoblin | December 19, 2009 at 2:04 pm |

    Yeah… the one day I get the featured post on Uni Watch, a hockey team’s gear would burn up.

  • leon | December 19, 2009 at 2:06 pm |

    [quote comment="367547"][quote comment="367546"]From the similar situations reference:

    “1978: San Antonio’s Mike Gale finds his uniform missing prior to a Spurs/Bullets playoff game in Washington. With no backup uni available, he resorts to wearing an inside-out Bullets road uniform.”

    Another oddity associated with this game (not to make this about me but I was in attendance): Midway through the 2nd half, just as the Spurs were mounting a terrific comeback, the power went out in Capital Centre and the place went dark. It was some time (I can’t recall exactly) before it was restored, by which time the momentum had been lost and the Bulllets went on to win, what I recall as the deciding game. Also, my recollection (fuzzy, at best) was that Mike Gale was not the only Spur who had to resort to a sub-uni.

    Anyway, thankfully nobody was hurt in the Wild fire.[/quote]
    Same exact game featured in the Elvin Hayes cover?[/quote]

    Yes

  • LarryB | December 19, 2009 at 2:13 pm |

    Good stuff on the Ducks uniforms. Since Ohio State is playing the Ducks I am curious to see what Oregon wears in the Rose bowl.

    Watching a Buckeye show last night called Buckeye Blitz, they had a short segment on the Ducks uniforms. And talked to players like Kurt Coleman who said he thinks they are really cool and even said it would be fun for the Buckeyes to wear a different uniform each game. Then paused and said no way would it ever happen. Too much tradition with the Buckeye uniforms.

    Bottom line the combos are something most kids do like.

  • =bg= | December 19, 2009 at 2:14 pm |

    Is the Cowboys game gonna be streamed live (for free) on NFL.com?

  • Graf Zeppelin | December 19, 2009 at 2:30 pm |

    [quote comment="367526"][quote comment="367524"]The Jets going back to kelly green would be an improvement. And fixing the upper sleeve stripe as Jay is trying to do would be another improvement (if the shirt seams don’t get in the way). The Jets perfected their unis in 1964 & everything since has been a dis-improvement. Sorry to be such a reactionary.[/quote]
    a) I think the Hunter Green is better and b) the stripes being fubar is more a function of the jersey cuts changing than the Jets making some inane stylistic choice.[/quote]

    I agree; the Jets probably used the mid-70s cut as a template when they first did the redesign in ’97-98. The 1977 jerseys had the ,a href=”http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/image.php?productid=27368″>upper sleeve striping in an insert, unlike the ’60s jersey that had broad stripes sown onto (or into) the sleeve.

    But note also that the original redesign had the stripes slightly ,a href=”http://turnonthejets.com/files/2009/05/vinny_testaverde.jpg”>further down; around 2001 or so, when they switched manufacturers from Starter to Reebok (as you can see in the photos), they moved further up to the point of being almost vertical.

    The Reebok jersey seems to have more fabric between the shoulder insert and the TV number than the Starter jersey did, whereas the Starter jersey has more between the insert and the neck hole. With the sleeves cut like this, reversing the shoulder insert would help a little but not much (as Jay’s experiment showed).

    Another thing they could try is what the Chargers did, which is to move the shoulder insert from vertically over the shoulder to horizontally across the shoulder.

    The switch from kelly to hunter green may have had something to do with the fact that in color photos of the Jets from the ’60s and ’70s, the green tends to look darker than it probably really was. That may have something to do with the color film and developing processes of the time, but I’m no expert. I think the hunter green is fine, and I particularly like the fact that the Jets have resisted the temptation to add a trim color since making the switch back in ’98.

    I could, however, do without the green pants.

  • Ricko | December 19, 2009 at 2:36 pm |

    [quote comment="367550"]Good stuff on the Ducks uniforms. Since Ohio State is playing the Ducks I am curious to see what Oregon wears in the Rose bowl.

    Watching a Buckeye show last night called Buckeye Blitz, they had a short segment on the Ducks uniforms. And talked to players like Kurt Coleman who said he thinks they are really cool and even said it would be fun for the Buckeyes to wear a different uniform each game. Then paused and said no way would it ever happen. Too much tradition with the Buckeye uniforms.

    Bottom line the combos are something most kids do like.[/quote]

    “Well, of course. My school has an unlimted budget just to keep my from being bored, doesn’t it.”

    Whatever happened to the notion of having a uniform kids dreamed of wearing and were proud to wear eveytime they put it on?

    Oh, yeah, video games where everything happens 100 mph so I don’t lose focus…and a self-oriented view of the world (“Have you checked my facebook today; lots of photos showing how plowed I got at the party last night”). I forgot (see: Micheal Phelps, bong).

    —Ricko

  • Graf Zeppelin | December 19, 2009 at 2:38 pm |

    [quote comment="367526"][quote comment="367524"]The Jets going back to kelly green would be an improvement. And fixing the upper sleeve stripe as Jay is trying to do would be another improvement (if the shirt seams don’t get in the way). The Jets perfected their unis in 1964 & everything since has been a dis-improvement. Sorry to be such a reactionary.[/quote]
    a) I think the Hunter Green is better and b) the stripes being fubar is more a function of the jersey cuts changing than the Jets making some inane stylistic choice.[/quote]

    I agree; the Jets probably used the mid-70s cut as a template when they first did the redesign in ’97-98. The 1977 jerseys had the ,a href=”http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/image.php?productid=27368″>upper sleeve striping in an insert, unlike the ’60s jersey that had broad stripes sown onto (or into) the sleeve.

    But note also that the original redesign had the stripes slightly ,a href=”http://turnonthejets.com/files/2009/05/vinny_testaverde.jpg”>further down; around 2001 or so, when they switched manufacturers from Starter to Reebok (as you can see in the photos), they moved further up to the point of being almost vertical.

    The Reebok jersey seems to have more fabric between the shoulder insert and the TV number than the Starter jersey did, whereas the Starter jersey has more between the insert and the neck hole. With the sleeves cut like this, reversing the shoulder insert would help a little but not much (as Jay’s experiment showed).

    Another thing they could try is what the Chargers did, which is to move the shoulder insert from vertically over the shoulder to horizontally across the shoulder.

    I think the switch from kelly to hunter green may have had something to do with the fact that in color photos and film of the Jets from the ’60s and ’70s, the green tends to look darker than it probably really was. On the cover of the Jets’ 1978 yearbook, for example, the green on the graphic banner at the top is quite a bit lighter than the green on the jerseys in the photos below. This probably has something to do with the properties of color film and development from that time, but I’m no expert.

  • Graf Zeppelin | December 19, 2009 at 2:41 pm |

    [Corrections...]

    [quote comment="367526"][quote comment="367524"]The Jets going back to kelly green would be an improvement. And fixing the upper sleeve stripe as Jay is trying to do would be another improvement (if the shirt seams don’t get in the way). The Jets perfected their unis in 1964 & everything since has been a dis-improvement. Sorry to be such a reactionary.[/quote]
    a) I think the Hunter Green is better and b) the stripes being fubar is more a function of the jersey cuts changing than the Jets making some inane stylistic choice.[/quote]

    I agree; the Jets probably used the mid-70s cut as a template when they first did the redesign in ’97-98. The 1977 jerseys had the upper sleeve striping in an insert, unlike the ’60s jersey that had broad stripes sown onto (or into) the sleeve.

    But note also that the original redesign had the stripes slightly further down; around 2001 or so, when they switched manufacturers from Starter to Reebok (as you can see in the photos), they moved further up to the point of being almost vertical.

    The Reebok jersey seems to have more fabric between the shoulder insert and the TV number than the Starter jersey did, whereas the Starter jersey has more between the insert and the neck hole. With the sleeves cut like this, reversing the shoulder insert would help a little but not much (as Jay’s experiment showed).

    Another thing they could try is what the Chargers did, which is to move the shoulder insert from vertically over the shoulder to horizontally across the shoulder.

    I think the switch from kelly to hunter green may have had something to do with the fact that in color photos and film of the Jets from the ’60s and ’70s, the green tends to look darker than it probably really was. On the cover of the Jets’ 1978 yearbook, for example, the green on the graphic banner at the top is quite a bit lighter than the green on the jerseys in the photos below. This probably has something to do with the properties of color film and development from that time, but I’m no expert.

  • Graf Zeppelin | December 19, 2009 at 2:43 pm |

    [Corrections again; not posting for some reason; apologies if repeated:]

    [quote comment="367526"][quote comment="367524"]The Jets going back to kelly green would be an improvement. And fixing the upper sleeve stripe as Jay is trying to do would be another improvement (if the shirt seams don’t get in the way). The Jets perfected their unis in 1964 & everything since has been a dis-improvement. Sorry to be such a reactionary.[/quote]
    a) I think the Hunter Green is better and b) the stripes being fubar is more a function of the jersey cuts changing than the Jets making some inane stylistic choice.[/quote]

    I agree; the Jets probably used the mid-70s cut as a template when they first did the redesign in ’97-98. The 1977 jerseys had the upper sleeve striping in an insert, unlike the ’60s jersey that had broad stripes sown onto (or into) the sleeve.

    But note also that the original redesign had the stripes slightly further down; around 2001 or so, when they switched manufacturers from Starter to Reebok (as you can see in the photos), they moved further up to the point of being almost vertical.

    The Reebok jersey seems to have more fabric between the shoulder insert and the TV number than the Starter jersey did, whereas the Starter jersey has more between the insert and the neck hole. With the sleeves cut like this, reversing the shoulder insert would help a little but not much (as Jay’s experiment showed).

    Another thing they could try is what the Chargers did, which is to move the shoulder insert from vertically over the shoulder to horizontally across the shoulder.

    I think the switch from kelly to hunter green may have had something to do with the fact that in color photos and film of the Jets from the ’60s and ’70s, the green tends to look darker than it probably really was. On the cover of the Jets’ 1978 yearbook, for example, the green on the graphic banner at the top is quite a bit lighter than the green on the jerseys in the photos below. This probably has something to do with the properties of color film and development from that time, but I’m no expert.

  • Graf Zeppelin | December 19, 2009 at 2:56 pm |

    [Trying again, without links...]

    [quote comment="367526"][quote comment="367524"]The Jets going back to kelly green would be an improvement. And fixing the upper sleeve stripe as Jay is trying to do would be another improvement (if the shirt seams don’t get in the way). The Jets perfected their unis in 1964 & everything since has been a dis-improvement. Sorry to be such a reactionary.[/quote]
    a) I think the Hunter Green is better and b) the stripes being fubar is more a function of the jersey cuts changing than the Jets making some inane stylistic choice.[/quote]

    I agree; the Jets probably used the mid-70s cut as a template when they first did the redesign in ’97-98. The 1977 jerseys had the upper sleeve striping in an insert, unlike the ’60s jersey that had broad stripes sown onto (or into) the sleeve.

    But note also that the original redesign had the stripes slightly further down; around 2001 or so, when they switched manufacturers from Starter to Reebok (as you can see in the photos), they moved further up to the point of being almost vertical.

    The Reebok jersey seems to have more fabric between the shoulder insert and the TV number than the Starter jersey did, whereas the Starter jersey has more between the insert and the neck hole. With the sleeves cut like this, reversing the shoulder insert would help a little but not much (as Jay’s experiment showed).

    Another thing they could try is what the Chargers did, which is to move the shoulder insert from vertically over the shoulder to horizontally across the shoulder.

    I think the switch from kelly to hunter green may have had something to do with the fact that in color photos and film of the Jets from the ’60s and ’70s, the green tends to look darker than it probably really was. On the cover of the Jets’ 1978 yearbook, for example, the green on the graphic banner at the top is quite a bit lighter than the green on the jerseys in the photos below. This probably has something to do with the properties of color film and development from that time, but I’m no expert.

  • Talon Lardner | December 19, 2009 at 2:58 pm |

    Quite cool writeup about Oregon. I do admit to liking the wing-styled jerseys and that chrome helmet. Teams like that I think I got to give more respect to, while their experiments may strike out big time a lot, I think that it is better to experiment and risk failure, than it is to go traditional to the point where it looses all meaning and is only worn because it always has been worn.

  • Ricko | December 19, 2009 at 2:59 pm |

    From Casey Martin story…
    “Look, we’ve got to go school colors because the Beavers will be in black.”

    How ’bout going school colors because, I dunno, they’re the school colors?

    What a novel concept that would be.

    —Ricko

  • Graf Zeppelin | December 19, 2009 at 3:01 pm |

    Yay! It worked.

    Now trying the links one set at a time…

    Comparison of ’60s & 70′s jersey sleeves:

    1977 jersey 1
    1977 jersey 2
    1968 jersey 1
    1968 jersey 2

  • Ricko | December 19, 2009 at 3:04 pm |

    “I think that it is better to experiment and risk failure, than it is to go traditional to the point where it looses all meaning and is only worn because it always has been worn.”

    Experimentation always trumps tradition? “EFES” sounds like just another way of saying change for the sake of change is good.

    “Because it’s always been worn” is kinda what tradition MEANS, isn’t it?

    —Ricko

  • Graf Zeppelin | December 19, 2009 at 3:08 pm |

    Comparison of 1998 Starter and c. 2001 Reebok jersey sleeves:

    Starter 1
    Starter 2
    Reebok 1
    Reebok 2

  • Graf Zeppelin | December 19, 2009 at 3:10 pm |

    1978 Yearbook cover, showing kelly green graphic banner over photos from ’77 apparently showing darker green.

  • LI Phil | December 19, 2009 at 3:10 pm |

    [quote comment="367560"]Yay! It worked.

    Now trying the links one set at a time…

    Comparison of ’60s & 70′s jersey sleeves:

    1977 jersey 1
    1977 jersey 2
    1968 jersey 1
    1968 jersey 2[/quote]

    hey…the jets are wearing the correct socks with the white pants!

    /damn stores are already sold out of milk and bread…if only i liked milk and bread
    //bunch of east coast pansies…newsflash…IT’S WINTER…IT SNOWS…

  • Graf Zeppelin | December 19, 2009 at 3:11 pm |

    Again, 1978 Yearbook cover showing kelly green graphic banner over photos from ’77 apparently showing darker green.

  • Graf Zeppelin | December 19, 2009 at 3:12 pm |

    One more freakin’ time…

    1978 Yearbook cover

  • Ricko | December 19, 2009 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment="367565"]Again, 1978 Yearbook cover showing kelly green graphic banner over photos from ’77 apparently showing darker green.[/quote]

    Kelly almost always photographs darker if it’s overcast. No news there.

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 19, 2009 at 3:20 pm |

    See… maybe it’s the spacing and thickness of the stripes I’m responding to rather than the color but this uniform seems like there’s too much white. So maybe instead of a the dark green we just condense and thicken the stripes a bit.

  • LI Phil | December 19, 2009 at 3:25 pm |

    [quote comment="367538"]
    This doesn’t look ‘kelly green’ to me. Anyway, my point is that the Jets’ current green works better for me. Clearly your mileage may vary.[/quote]

    kenny…

    i learned the hard way not to trust photographs…ricko’s been doing this for 100 years, so if he says they wear kelly, then they are

    i got my ass handed to me when i posted this graphic and swore up and down the unconquered unis weren’t black…which they indeed are

    don’t trust photos…ever

    /just sayin

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 19, 2009 at 3:26 pm |

    [quote comment="367569"][quote comment="367538"]
    This doesn’t look ‘kelly green’ to me. Anyway, my point is that the Jets’ current green works better for me. Clearly your mileage may vary.[/quote]

    kenny…

    i learned the hard way not to trust photographs…ricko’s been doing this for 100 years, so if he says they wear kelly, then they are

    i got my ass handed to me when i posted this graphic and swore up and down the unconquered unis weren’t black…which they indeed are

    don’t trust photos…ever

    /just sayin[/quote]
    Phil, if anyone knows not to trust photos all the time it’s me, or did you forget what I do for a living?

  • Ricko | December 19, 2009 at 3:27 pm |

    [quote comment="367568"]See… maybe it’s the spacing and thickness of the stripes I’m responding to rather than the color but this uniform seems like there’s too much white. So maybe instead of a the dark green we just condense and thicken the stripes a bit.[/quote]

    Well it was a uni designed to be a “spin” on the Colts (but in kelly and white) because along with the name change to “Jets” came the hiring of former Colts coach Weeb Ewbank.

    But the areas of white were a bit too wide on that year’s version, yes.

    —Ricko

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 19, 2009 at 3:31 pm |

    [quote comment="367571"][quote comment="367568"]See… maybe it’s the spacing and thickness of the stripes I’m responding to rather than the color but this uniform seems like there’s too much white. So maybe instead of a the dark green we just condense and thicken the stripes a bit.[/quote]

    Well it was a uni designed to be a “spin” on the Colts (but in kelly and white) because along with the name change to “Jets” came the hiring of former Colts coach Weeb Ewbank.

    But the areas of white were a bit too wide on that year’s version, yes.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Ok, so to summarize: the Jets would be best served by reverting to the old shade of green but with the modern, denser and thicker stripes (modern jersey cut stupidity excepted), yes?

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 19, 2009 at 3:35 pm |

    [quote comment="367569"][quote comment="367538"]
    This doesn’t look ‘kelly green’ to me. Anyway, my point is that the Jets’ current green works better for me. Clearly your mileage may vary.[/quote]

    kenny…

    i learned the hard way not to trust photographs…ricko’s been doing this for 100 years, so if he says they wear kelly, then they are

    i got my ass handed to me when i posted this graphic and swore up and down the unconquered unis weren’t black…which they indeed are

    don’t trust photos…ever

    /just sayin[/quote]
    Also, I’d argue that metallic finishes, whether used on cloth or in paint like on a helmet, are often multiple colors depending on the light being reflected, the angle it’s hitting at, etc as evidenced by the Jaguars’ new helmets and that FSU pic. So yeah, it’s black… but it’s reflecting green.

  • LarryB | December 19, 2009 at 3:43 pm |

    [quote comment="367543"]In related snowpocalypse news…Paul’s annual purple hell game, otherwise known as the Division III Football Championship between Mt. Union and Wis.-Whitewater, has been postponed to 4 p.m. today because of the weather.[/quote]

    I was hoping it was on ESPN or ESPN2 since it may have been in HD. I do not get ESPN Classic in HD.

    It will be a purple game for sure.

    Go Purple Raiders

  • Ricko | December 19, 2009 at 3:43 pm |

    [quote comment="367572"][quote comment="367571"][quote comment="367568"]See… maybe it’s the spacing and thickness of the stripes I’m responding to rather than the color but this uniform seems like there’s too much white. So maybe instead of a the dark green we just condense and thicken the stripes a bit.[/quote]

    Well it was a uni designed to be a “spin” on the Colts (but in kelly and white) because along with the name change to “Jets” came the hiring of former Colts coach Weeb Ewbank.

    But the areas of white were a bit too wide on that year’s version, yes.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Ok, so to summarize: the Jets would be best served by reverting to the old shade of green but with the modern, denser and thicker stripes (modern jersey cut stupidity excepted), yes?[/quote]

    I’d say that’s a fair summation. ;)
    Although I could live with the forest. Those damn new stripes are just maddening.

    —Ricko

  • Giancarlo | December 19, 2009 at 4:08 pm |

    Yeah the stripes irk me more than the shade of green. I’m also noticing from these links that I like the old helmet logo more than the tweaked one of today.

  • LarryB | December 19, 2009 at 4:09 pm |

    Quick glance at the Mt Union game vs Whitewater I have to take a bit to figure out who is who.

    Mt Union in the white jerseys and purple pants.

  • JimV19 | December 19, 2009 at 4:15 pm |

    [quote comment="367532"]I miss kelly green in sports in general. I was just wondering, did the Jets switch to hunter/forest when they overhauled their uni in 1978 or was it later?[/quote]

    I miss kelly green as well, and I like Walt’s idea of using two shades of green. It seems blue is the only color that gets two uni shades (Villanova, Tennessee Titans, Seahawks, etc.)

    The current Jets unis are among the best in the league, but if they went with your idea I would be fine with that. Good job, Walt.

  • JimV19 | December 19, 2009 at 4:18 pm |

    [quote comment="367559"]From Casey Martin story…
    “Look, we’ve got to go school colors because the Beavers will be in black.”

    How ’bout going school colors because, I dunno, they’re the school colors?

    What a novel concept that would be.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Can I get an “Amen!” from the congregation?

  • Ricko | December 19, 2009 at 4:25 pm |

    [quote comment="367578"][quote comment="367532"]I miss kelly green in sports in general. I was just wondering, did the Jets switch to hunter/forest when they overhauled their uni in 1978 or was it later?[/quote]

    I miss kelly green as well, and I like Walt’s idea of using two shades of green. It seems blue is the only color that gets two uni shades (Villanova, Tennessee Titans, Seahawks, etc.)

    The current Jets unis are among the best in the league, but if they went with your idea I would be fine with that. Good job, Walt.[/quote]

    So few teams going with one-color-and-white these days (Colts and Jets only two in NFL, I think) that it’s nice to see someone stick with it. Same for Red Wings and Maple Leafs.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | December 19, 2009 at 4:26 pm |

    [quote comment="367579"][quote comment="367559"]From Casey Martin story…
    “Look, we’ve got to go school colors because the Beavers will be in black.”

    How ’bout going school colors because, I dunno, they’re the school colors?

    What a novel concept that would be.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Can I get an “Amen!” from the congregation?[/quote]
    AMEN!

  • JimV19 | December 19, 2009 at 4:26 pm |

    Daniel, the one thing I like about the new Seahawks unis (besides the neon) are the colored sleeves. However, I like your designs. The gray-helmeted ones are my favorites.

    Michael, when reading your submission I was afraid to see your design (wasn’t a big fan of the ’98-’08 unis), but was pleasantly surprised once I did. Nice stuff.

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 19, 2009 at 4:27 pm |

    [quote comment="367578"][quote comment="367532"]I miss kelly green in sports in general. I was just wondering, did the Jets switch to hunter/forest when they overhauled their uni in 1978 or was it later?[/quote]

    I miss kelly green as well, and I like Walt’s idea of using two shades of green. It seems blue is the only color that gets two uni shades (Villanova, Tennessee Titans, Seahawks, etc.)

    The current Jets unis are among the best in the league, but if they went with your idea I would be fine with that. Good job, Walt.[/quote]
    My big gripe with adding colors — adding anything really — is: where does it end? “Let’s add a color here, a stripe there…” Before you know it you end up looking like Buffalo. Better that the uniform stays the way it is and develops some momentum and history.

  • SoCalDrew | December 19, 2009 at 4:27 pm |

    [quote comment="367524"]The Jets going back to kelly green would be an improvement. And fixing the upper sleeve stripe as Jay is trying to do would be another improvement (if the shirt seams don’t get in the way). The Jets perfected their unis in 1964 & everything since has been a dis-improvement.[/quote]

    Agreed.

  • Oakville Endive | December 19, 2009 at 4:30 pm |

    [quote comment="367584"][quote comment="367524"]The Jets going back to kelly green would be an improvement. And fixing the upper sleeve stripe as Jay is trying to do would be another improvement (if the shirt seams don’t get in the way). The Jets perfected their unis in 1964 & everything since has been a dis-improvement.[/quote]

    Agreed.[/quote]

    Yep off course the fabric of the uni today doesn’t help either.

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 4:31 pm |

    [quote comment="367577"]Quick glance at the Mt Union game vs Whitewater I have to take a bit to figure out who is who.

    Mt Union in the white jerseys and purple pants.[/quote]
    Mt Union looks pretty good – although I see those plain jerseys at Ravens’ training camp every year. I’m never a fan of game jerseys looking like practice gear.

    As for WWW – plain black ‘tards with purple numbers and purple helmets??? Nothing to like here.

    Amazingly, this matchup features not one single jersey stripe, helmet stripe, pants stripe or sock stripe.

  • SoCalDrew | December 19, 2009 at 4:36 pm |

    [quote comment="367559"]From Casey Martin story…
    “Look, we’ve got to go school colors because the Beavers will be in black.”

    How ’bout going school colors because, I dunno, they’re the school colors?

    What a novel concept that would be.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    School colors…how very Old School!

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 4:36 pm |

    Walter Young’s first Jets set is a perfect tweak. It looks like it maintains the contrasting sleeves concept while really adjusting to the modern cut. Very graceful transition from green to white – the current NYJ uni tries to recall the Namath era, but looks a bit awkward with the shoulder stripe hiked up and then truncated. I would love to see the Jets use Walter’s design.

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 19, 2009 at 4:38 pm |

    Ordinarily I could care less about college basketball but I was flipping around and saw Gonzaga playing Duke at the Garden… exactly what the heck is Gonzaga wearing? “Zags”…? Really?

  • Stuby | December 19, 2009 at 4:39 pm |

    Fresno St. is wearing the New Mexico Bowl patch on the back of their jerseys because they too much crap on the front. And the Wyoming unis are just hideous.

  • JimV19 | December 19, 2009 at 4:40 pm |

    [quote comment="367560"]
    /damn stores are already sold out of milk and bread…if only i liked milk and bread
    //bunch of east coast pansies…newsflash…IT’S WINTER…IT SNOWS…[/quote]

    Yet here on the fringe of the Lake Erie snow belt, we have just a little dusting.

    Blame the meteorologists. Even here they whip people into such a frenzy when a big snow comes. Every year you’d think it was the first time we ever had snow.

    Anyway, in NYC, Gonzaga and Duke and their fans are braving the weather and playing at Madison Square Garden. The Zags are in an all-BFBS uni. Between that and the fact that I don’t like Duke, I’m about to turn off this game. Only reason I had it on in the first place is because Vern Lundquist is calling the game.

  • JTH | December 19, 2009 at 4:40 pm |

    [quote comment="367580"][quote comment="367578"][quote comment="367532"]I miss kelly green in sports in general. I was just wondering, did the Jets switch to hunter/forest when they overhauled their uni in 1978 or was it later?[/quote]

    I miss kelly green as well, and I like Walt’s idea of using two shades of green. It seems blue is the only color that gets two uni shades (Villanova, Tennessee Titans, Seahawks, etc.)

    The current Jets unis are among the best in the league, but if they went with your idea I would be fine with that. Good job, Walt.[/quote]

    So few teams going with one-color-and-white these days (Colts and Jets only two in NFL, I think) that it’s nice to see someone stick with it. Same for Red Wings and Maple Leafs.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    OK, then we’ve got the Yankees (not counting the league-mandated “patriotic” caps, of course) and… is there an NBA team that only goes with a single color and white at all times? I don’t think there is one.

  • Ricko | December 19, 2009 at 4:43 pm |

    [quote comment="367592"][quote comment="367580"][quote comment="367578"][quote comment="367532"]I miss kelly green in sports in general. I was just wondering, did the Jets switch to hunter/forest when they overhauled their uni in 1978 or was it later?[/quote]

    I miss kelly green as well, and I like Walt’s idea of using two shades of green. It seems blue is the only color that gets two uni shades (Villanova, Tennessee Titans, Seahawks, etc.)

    The current Jets unis are among the best in the league, but if they went with your idea I would be fine with that. Good job, Walt.[/quote]

    So few teams going with one-color-and-white these days (Colts and Jets only two in NFL, I think) that it’s nice to see someone stick with it. Same for Red Wings and Maple Leafs.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    OK, then we’ve got the Yankees (not counting the league-mandated “patriotic” caps, of course) and… is there an NBA team that only goes with a single color and white at all times? I don’t think there is one.[/quote]

    Celtics were the last. Until the Era of Alts came along.

  • Graf Zeppelin | December 19, 2009 at 4:43 pm |

    [quote comment="367576"]Yeah the stripes irk me more than the shade of green. I’m also noticing from these links that I like the old helmet logo more than the tweaked one of today.[/quote]

    Definitely agree. The football-shaped version was not only better-looking, but unique; the current logo is the same shape as the Packers and 49ers logos. Why they made the new version oval instead of tapered I don’t know.

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 4:43 pm |

    [quote comment="367504"]Casey Martin is the UO golf coach and the former professional who was embroiled in the lawsuit against the PGA Tour. He has coached the Ducks to two straight NCAA tournaments.[/quote]
    Consider where Casey is in life right now as opossed to that Eldrick Woods kid from his college days.
    I don’t even know what the hell point I’m trying to make if any – just sayin’ good for Casey and his coaching career.

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 4:47 pm |

    [quote comment="367591"][quote comment="367560"]
    /damn stores are already sold out of milk and bread…if only i liked milk and bread
    //bunch of east coast pansies…newsflash…IT’S WINTER…IT SNOWS…[/quote]

    Yet here on the fringe of the Lake Erie snow belt, we have just a little dusting.

    Blame the meteorologists. Even here they whip people into such a frenzy when a big snow comes. Every year you’d think it was the first time we ever had snow.

    Anyway, in NYC, Gonzaga and Duke and their fans are braving the weather and playing at Madison Square Garden. The Zags are in an all-BFBS uni. Between that and the fact that I don’t like Duke, I’m about to turn off this game. Only reason I had it on in the first place is because Vern Lundquist is calling the game.[/quote]
    Staying on the Weather Channel here – the Ravens have pushed their gane back to 4:15 on Sunday, but we don’t even know if Da Bears can get here. We are about 20″ deep right now and we are expecting it to continue for 12-13 more hours. Bears can’t get a flight in.

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 19, 2009 at 4:49 pm |

    [quote comment="367588"]Walter Young’s first Jets set is a perfect tweak. It looks like it maintains the contrasting sleeves concept while really adjusting to the modern cut. Very graceful transition from green to white – the current NYJ uni tries to recall the Namath era, but looks a bit awkward with the shoulder stripe hiked up and then truncated. I would love to see the Jets use Walter’s design.[/quote]
    I’d rather see the Jets stick with one shade and just update the striping to be more appropriate to the cut of the jersey. Like so.

  • leon | December 19, 2009 at 4:52 pm |

    Wholly guacomole: Wyoming has a barrel guy.

  • LI Phil | December 19, 2009 at 4:52 pm |

    [quote comment="367595"][quote comment="367504"]Casey Martin is the UO golf coach and the former professional who was embroiled in the lawsuit against the PGA Tour. He has coached the Ducks to two straight NCAA tournaments.[/quote]
    Consider where Casey is in life right now as opossed to that Eldrick Woods kid from his college days.
    I don’t even know what the hell point I’m trying to make if any – just sayin’ good for Casey and his coaching career.[/quote]

    casey rocks

    and definitely is a friend of this board

    props again to him and kenny for that awesome interview

  • Graf Zeppelin | December 19, 2009 at 4:54 pm |

    [quote comment="367592"][quote comment="367580"][quote comment="367578"][quote comment="367532"]I miss kelly green in sports in general. I was just wondering, did the Jets switch to hunter/forest when they overhauled their uni in 1978 or was it later?[/quote]

    I miss kelly green as well, and I like Walt’s idea of using two shades of green. It seems blue is the only color that gets two uni shades (Villanova, Tennessee Titans, Seahawks, etc.)

    The current Jets unis are among the best in the league, but if they went with your idea I would be fine with that. Good job, Walt.[/quote]

    So few teams going with one-color-and-white these days (Colts and Jets only two in NFL, I think) that it’s nice to see someone stick with it. Same for Red Wings and Maple Leafs.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    OK, then we’ve got the Yankees (not counting the league-mandated “patriotic” caps, of course) and… is there an NBA team that only goes with a single color and white at all times? I don’t think there is one.[/quote]

    You can only count the Yankees if you don’t count the grey on the road jersey. Same for the Tigers (grey and orange). The Jets and the Colts have no secondary color anywhere on any of their uniforms.

    The Detroit Red Wings have no secondary color; their uni set is entirely red and white. The Toronto Maple Leafs don’t either (blue and white).

    A few teams are close; the Phillies’ home uniform has only the blue stars dotting the i’s. The Royals’ home uniform has only the gold crown on the sleeve patch. The Dodgers’ home uniform has only the red numerals on the front. Other teams have only a little bit of their secondary trim color on the uniform. But I can’t think of any pro team besides the Jets, Colts, Red Wings and Maple Leafs whose entire home and road uniform sets consist of only one color and white.

  • LarryB | December 19, 2009 at 4:54 pm |

    [quote comment="367579"][quote comment="367559"]From Casey Martin story…
    “Look, we’ve got to go school colors because the Beavers will be in black.”

    How ’bout going school colors because, I dunno, they’re the school colors?

    What a novel concept that would be.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Can I get an “Amen!” from the congregation?[/quote]

    AMEN

    Haha that is one thing I do not like about Oregon. But ya kinda funny to say uh we need school colors because the Beavers will be in black

  • Graf Zeppelin | December 19, 2009 at 4:57 pm |

    [quote comment="367591"][quote comment="367560"]
    /damn stores are already sold out of milk and bread…if only i liked milk and bread
    //bunch of east coast pansies…newsflash…IT’S WINTER…IT SNOWS…[/quote]

    Yet here on the fringe of the Lake Erie snow belt, we have just a little dusting.

    Blame the meteorologists. Even here they whip people into such a frenzy when a big snow comes. Every year you’d think it was the first time we ever had snow.

    Anyway, in NYC, Gonzaga and Duke and their fans are braving the weather and playing at Madison Square Garden. The Zags are in an all-BFBS uni. Between that and the fact that I don’t like Duke, I’m about to turn off this game. Only reason I had it on in the first place is because Vern Lundquist is calling the game.[/quote]

    It’s not snowing at all where I am (Nassau County, south shore). Just a light dusting. Where is this alleged snowstorm?

  • JTH | December 19, 2009 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment="367596"][quote comment="367591"][quote comment="367560"]
    /damn stores are already sold out of milk and bread…if only i liked milk and bread
    //bunch of east coast pansies…newsflash…IT’S WINTER…IT SNOWS…[/quote]

    Yet here on the fringe of the Lake Erie snow belt, we have just a little dusting.

    Blame the meteorologists. Even here they whip people into such a frenzy when a big snow comes. Every year you’d think it was the first time we ever had snow.

    Anyway, in NYC, Gonzaga and Duke and their fans are braving the weather and playing at Madison Square Garden. The Zags are in an all-BFBS uni. Between that and the fact that I don’t like Duke, I’m about to turn off this game. Only reason I had it on in the first place is because Vern Lundquist is calling the game.[/quote]
    Staying on the Weather Channel here – the Ravens have pushed their gane back to 4:15 on Sunday, but we don’t even know if Da Bears can get here. We are about 20″ deep right now and we are expecting it to continue for 12-13 more hours. Bears can’t get a flight in.[/quote]
    They flew out last night.

  • LI Phil | December 19, 2009 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment="367602"]It’s not snowing at all where I am (Nassau County, south shore). Just a light dusting. Where is this alleged snowstorm?[/quote]

    ditto here jay (mineola)

    just went out to get coffee, and while the streets are empty, there’s nothing more than a dusting on the ground, and the main roads are simply wet…but it is FUCKING FREEZING

    be fine by me if this just heads out to sea and we get a couple inches

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment="367597"][quote comment="367588"]Walter Young’s first Jets set is a perfect tweak. It looks like it maintains the contrasting sleeves concept while really adjusting to the modern cut. Very graceful transition from green to white – the current NYJ uni tries to recall the Namath era, but looks a bit awkward with the shoulder stripe hiked up and then truncated. I would love to see the Jets use Walter’s design.[/quote]
    I’d rather see the Jets stick with one shade and just update the striping to be more appropriate to the cut of the jersey. Like so.[/quote]
    I looked at it too quickly to even consider the two greens (too busy shoveling snow). I would like a design just like Walter’s set 1, but with all Kelly Green and white. Thanks for the clarification.

  • JTH | December 19, 2009 at 5:14 pm |

    [quote comment="367600"][quote comment="367592"][quote comment="367580"][quote comment="367578"][quote comment="367532"]I miss kelly green in sports in general. I was just wondering, did the Jets switch to hunter/forest when they overhauled their uni in 1978 or was it later?[/quote]

    I miss kelly green as well, and I like Walt’s idea of using two shades of green. It seems blue is the only color that gets two uni shades (Villanova, Tennessee Titans, Seahawks, etc.)

    The current Jets unis are among the best in the league, but if they went with your idea I would be fine with that. Good job, Walt.[/quote]

    So few teams going with one-color-and-white these days (Colts and Jets only two in NFL, I think) that it’s nice to see someone stick with it. Same for Red Wings and Maple Leafs.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    OK, then we’ve got the Yankees (not counting the league-mandated “patriotic” caps, of course) and… is there an NBA team that only goes with a single color and white at all times? I don’t think there is one.[/quote]

    You can only count the Yankees if you don’t count the grey on the road jersey. Same for the Tigers (grey and orange). The Jets and the Colts have no secondary color anywhere on any of their uniforms.

    The Detroit Red Wings have no secondary color; their uni set is entirely red and white. The Toronto Maple Leafs don’t either (blue and white).

    A few teams are close; the Phillies’ home uniform has only the blue stars dotting the i’s. The Royals’ home uniform has only the gold crown on the sleeve patch. The Dodgers’ home uniform has only the red numerals on the front. Other teams have only a little bit of their secondary trim color on the uniform. But I can’t think of any pro team besides the Jets, Colts, Red Wings and Maple Leafs whose entire home and road uniform sets consist of only one color and white.[/quote]
    The gray of the road unis doesn’t count as an extra color any more than the Colts’ gray facemasks do. For that matter, neither do the little red, white & blue MLB/NFL logos (or black NHL shields), black shoes/skates, etc.

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 5:17 pm |

    [quote comment="367603"][quote comment="367596"][quote comment="367591"][quote comment="367560"]
    /damn stores are already sold out of milk and bread…if only i liked milk and bread
    //bunch of east coast pansies…newsflash…IT’S WINTER…IT SNOWS…[/quote]

    Yet here on the fringe of the Lake Erie snow belt, we have just a little dusting.

    Blame the meteorologists. Even here they whip people into such a frenzy when a big snow comes. Every year you’d think it was the first time we ever had snow.

    Anyway, in NYC, Gonzaga and Duke and their fans are braving the weather and playing at Madison Square Garden. The Zags are in an all-BFBS uni. Between that and the fact that I don’t like Duke, I’m about to turn off this game. Only reason I had it on in the first place is because Vern Lundquist is calling the game.[/quote]
    Staying on the Weather Channel here – the Ravens have pushed their gane back to 4:15 on Sunday, but we don’t even know if Da Bears can get here. We are about 20″ deep right now and we are expecting it to continue for 12-13 more hours. Bears can’t get a flight in.[/quote]
    They flew out last night.[/quote]
    From Baltimore Sun.com:
    The Chicago Bears, whose flight to Baltimore was canceled last night due to the snow, have plans to travel here tonight, a team official told the Chicago Tribune today. The team is scheduled to play the Ravens Sunday at M&T Bank Stadium.

    The team is expected to leave O’Hare Airport on a United Airlines charter flight around 9 p.m. and arrive in Baltimore some time around 11 p.m.

    “We are monitoring the situation,” a league spokesperson told the Tribune.

    The team’s Web site says the team boarded its charter flight at O’Hare Airport late Friday but sat on the plane for two hours before it was canceled.

    They tried to fly out last night…

  • Chris | December 19, 2009 at 5:17 pm |

    [quote comment="367589"]Ordinarily I could care less about college basketball but I was flipping around and saw Gonzaga playing Duke at the Garden… exactly what the heck is Gonzaga wearing? “Zags”…? Really?[/quote]

    You’ve never heard that nickname? Really? You really must ‘could care less about college basketball…’

  • LI Phil | December 19, 2009 at 5:18 pm |

    [quote comment="367600"]The Detroit Red Wings have no secondary color; their uni set is entirely red and white. The Toronto Maple Leafs don’t either (blue and white).[/quote]

    i think in those cases, white IS their secondary color

  • JTH | December 19, 2009 at 5:22 pm |

    [quote comment="367607"][quote comment="367603"][quote comment="367596"][quote comment="367591"][quote comment="367560"]
    /damn stores are already sold out of milk and bread…if only i liked milk and bread
    //bunch of east coast pansies…newsflash…IT’S WINTER…IT SNOWS…[/quote]

    Yet here on the fringe of the Lake Erie snow belt, we have just a little dusting.

    Blame the meteorologists. Even here they whip people into such a frenzy when a big snow comes. Every year you’d think it was the first time we ever had snow.

    Anyway, in NYC, Gonzaga and Duke and their fans are braving the weather and playing at Madison Square Garden. The Zags are in an all-BFBS uni. Between that and the fact that I don’t like Duke, I’m about to turn off this game. Only reason I had it on in the first place is because Vern Lundquist is calling the game.[/quote]
    Staying on the Weather Channel here – the Ravens have pushed their gane back to 4:15 on Sunday, but we don’t even know if Da Bears can get here. We are about 20″ deep right now and we are expecting it to continue for 12-13 more hours. Bears can’t get a flight in.[/quote]
    They flew out last night.[/quote]
    From Baltimore Sun.com:
    The Chicago Bears, whose flight to Baltimore was canceled last night due to the snow, have plans to travel here tonight, a team official told the Chicago Tribune today. The team is scheduled to play the Ravens Sunday at M&T Bank Stadium.

    The team is expected to leave O’Hare Airport on a United Airlines charter flight around 9 p.m. and arrive in Baltimore some time around 11 p.m.

    “We are monitoring the situation,” a league spokesperson told the Tribune.

    The team’s Web site says the team boarded its charter flight at O’Hare Airport late Friday but sat on the plane for two hours before it was canceled.

    They tried to fly out last night…[/quote]
    Yeah. I just saw this.

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 5:22 pm |

    I think it’s cool that the Red Wings, Maple Leadfs, Colts, Jets all have one team color plus white. But I’m also glad it is the exception and not the rule.
    I would also disregard gray or powder blue baseball roadies in this discussion.

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 19, 2009 at 5:26 pm |

    [quote comment="367608"][quote comment="367589"]Ordinarily I could care less about college basketball but I was flipping around and saw Gonzaga playing Duke at the Garden… exactly what the heck is Gonzaga wearing? “Zags”…? Really?[/quote]

    You’ve never heard that nickname? Really? You really must ‘could care less about college basketball…’[/quote]
    I have heard it… my point was more “what the hell is it doing on a uniform?”

  • aflfan | December 19, 2009 at 5:34 pm |

    [quote comment="367574"][quote comment="367543"]In related snowpocalypse news…Paul’s annual purple hell game, otherwise known as the Division III Football Championship between Mt. Union and Wis.-Whitewater, has been postponed to 4 p.m. today because of the weather.[/quote]

    I was hoping it was on ESPN or ESPN2 since it may have been in HD. I do not get ESPN Classic in HD.

    It will be a purple game for sure.

    Go Purple Raiders[/quote]

    I was supposed to be on ESPN2 this morning at 11 AM but when the game was shifted to 4 PM they moved it to ESPN Classic. I don’t get Classic or the U in HD either.

  • Graf Zeppelin | December 19, 2009 at 5:43 pm |

    [quote comment="367606"][quote comment="367600"][quote comment="367592"][quote comment="367580"][quote comment="367578"][quote comment="367532"]I miss kelly green in sports in general. I was just wondering, did the Jets switch to hunter/forest when they overhauled their uni in 1978 or was it later?[/quote]

    I miss kelly green as well, and I like Walt’s idea of using two shades of green. It seems blue is the only color that gets two uni shades (Villanova, Tennessee Titans, Seahawks, etc.)

    The current Jets unis are among the best in the league, but if they went with your idea I would be fine with that. Good job, Walt.[/quote]

    So few teams going with one-color-and-white these days (Colts and Jets only two in NFL, I think) that it’s nice to see someone stick with it. Same for Red Wings and Maple Leafs.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    OK, then we’ve got the Yankees (not counting the league-mandated “patriotic” caps, of course) and… is there an NBA team that only goes with a single color and white at all times? I don’t think there is one.[/quote]

    You can only count the Yankees if you don’t count the grey on the road jersey. Same for the Tigers (grey and orange). The Jets and the Colts have no secondary color anywhere on any of their uniforms.

    The Detroit Red Wings have no secondary color; their uni set is entirely red and white. The Toronto Maple Leafs don’t either (blue and white).

    A few teams are close; the Phillies’ home uniform has only the blue stars dotting the i’s. The Royals’ home uniform has only the gold crown on the sleeve patch. The Dodgers’ home uniform has only the red numerals on the front. Other teams have only a little bit of their secondary trim color on the uniform. But I can’t think of any pro team besides the Jets, Colts, Red Wings and Maple Leafs whose entire home and road uniform sets consist of only one color and white.[/quote]
    The gray of the road unis doesn’t count as an extra color any more than the Colts’ gray facemasks do. For that matter, neither do the little red, white & blue MLB/NFL logos (or black NHL shields), black shoes/skates, etc.[/quote]

    Hmm…interesting, I forgot about the Colts’ grey facemasks. I was about to say that the facemask is only grey as a nod to tradition, because for a while it was the only color you could get (everyone had grey facemasks until the ’70s), but then the grey on the baseball road uniform is similarly utilitarian (i.e., the only way a team could have only one-color-plus-white would be to have the road uniform be all in that color with white trim, and we all know how well that has turned out). In other words, the baseball road uni is grey because it has to be, not because the team wants to have grey in its color scheme.

    So OK, if we stipulate that, we can include the Yankees, but not the Tigers since they have orange on the road uni as well as many of the team’s graphics. We can’t include the Royals, Dodgers or Phillies for the reasons I mentioned. The White Sox have only a very thin grey/silver outline of the logo and numerals on their home uniform, so they don’t count either.

  • aflfan | December 19, 2009 at 5:55 pm |

    [quote comment="367590"]Fresno St. is wearing the New Mexico Bowl patch on the back of their jerseys because they too much crap on the front. And the Wyoming unis are just hideous.[/quote]

    See, I like Wyoming, mainly because brown and yellow are seldom used in unifomrs. I really like the white helmet with the brown cowboy.

    Attack away!

  • JTH | December 19, 2009 at 6:03 pm |

    [quote comment="367527"][quote comment="367520"][quote comment="367503"]I got the scoreboard! Go me!

    http://web.minorleag...

    Hey, I was there! I’m glad they’re making Futures at Fenway an annual event, it’s a great day out for families and wicked inexpensive.[/quote]

    That’s how I knew what it was: that game had to have been part of Futures at Fenway. From there it was just a matter of finding what year Portland played Harrisburg.[/quote]
    The Cubs have done something similar with “Road to Wrigley” games the last couple years. I was at the one in 2008 — Peoria Chiefs vs. Kane County Cougars. The kids were supposed to be able to run the bases afterwards, but the game was rain-shortened. I think we paid 10 or 12 bucks for good upper-deck seats.

    Last year, it was the Iowa Cubs vs. Las Vegas 51s.

    Are there any other MLB teams that do something like this?

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 6:05 pm |

    “the Royals gold crown on their sleeve patches”
    Wow – after the Royals’ flirtation with BFSB it is nice to see them back to their beautiful white and royal blue uni scheme. I was oblivious to the gold on the sleeve patch, but now the purity is tainted for me. Not unlike what my dog has done to the driven snow in my backyard.

  • JimV19 | December 19, 2009 at 6:10 pm |

    [quote comment="367604"][quote comment="367602"]It’s not snowing at all where I am (Nassau County, south shore). Just a light dusting. Where is this alleged snowstorm?[/quote]

    ditto here jay (mineola)

    just went out to get coffee, and while the streets are empty, there’s nothing more than a dusting on the ground, and the main roads are simply wet…but it is FUCKING FREEZING

    be fine by me if this just heads out to sea and we get a couple inches[/quote]

    Hey kids, here’s your chance to color a picture of Phil:
    http://www.freeprint...

  • Jeff P | December 19, 2009 at 6:15 pm |

    I don’t think you can include the yankees due to the roads using blue and white as accents to the gray. I would think that to qualify they would have to have a road like Boston’s road jersey- gray and one color. The home qualifies though.

    Actually, that’s another question. How many individual uniforms count even if the team’s whole set doesn’t?

  • JimV19 | December 19, 2009 at 6:20 pm |

    [quote comment="367615"][quote comment="367590"]Fresno St. is wearing the New Mexico Bowl patch on the back of their jerseys because they too much crap on the front. And the Wyoming unis are just hideous.[/quote]

    See, I like Wyoming, mainly because brown and yellow are seldom used in unifomrs. I really like the white helmet with the brown cowboy.

    Attack away![/quote]

    I like the helmets too. The unis would be fine without that diamond piping on the side: http://cdn0.sbnation...

    These used to be cool: http://images.wikia....

    When did they have these? http://media.scout.c... I’d wear that uni.

  • Ricko | December 19, 2009 at 6:20 pm |

    [quote comment="367618"][quote comment="367604"][quote comment="367602"]It’s not snowing at all where I am (Nassau County, south shore). Just a light dusting. Where is this alleged snowstorm?[/quote]

    ditto here jay (mineola)

    just went out to get coffee, and while the streets are empty, there’s nothing more than a dusting on the ground, and the main roads are simply wet…but it is FUCKING FREEZING

    be fine by me if this just heads out to sea and we get a couple inches[/quote]

    Hey kids, here’s your chance to color a picture of Phil:
    http://www.freeprint...

    Well, Zeppelin, they’re still saying 10″-15″ overnight in NYC. Could be a tad early to dismiss it as not materializing there. I guess the answer might be: “Wait; we’ll see if you have that same question in the morning.”

    Besides, wasn’t the original warning until 11 a.m. Sunday for NYC? That’s hasn’t changed, has it?

    Phil, you’re the weather guy.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | December 19, 2009 at 6:21 pm |

    [quote comment="367619"]I would think that to qualify they would have to have a road like Boston’s road jersey- gray and one color.[/quote]
    Gray and ONE color?

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 19, 2009 at 6:24 pm |

    [quote comment="367619"]I don’t think you can include the yankees due to the roads using blue and white as accents to the gray. I would think that to qualify they would have to have a road like Boston’s road jersey- gray and one color. The home qualifies though.

    Actually, that’s another question. How many individual uniforms count even if the team’s whole set doesn’t?[/quote]
    I think it was established that the gray road unis are purely a utilitarian thing and thus are not included in the Yankees’ list of colors. Navy and white are the only 2. Unless you want to include the colors on this logo.

  • Ricko | December 19, 2009 at 6:25 pm |

    [quote comment="367619"]I don’t think you can include the yankees due to the roads using blue and white as accents to the gray. I would think that to qualify they would have to have a road like Boston’s road jersey- gray and one color. The home qualifies though.

    Actually, that’s another question. How many individual uniforms count even if the team’s whole set doesn’t?[/quote]

    Honestly, it’s hard to think of baseball in this discussion because of the gray imperative. In other sports it a white imperative. So I was talking both home AND road. No distinction between the two (Tigers a No, add orange on the road; back in ’50′s wore orange “D” hats and socks with two orange stripes at home, too).

    But I was thinking football, basketball and hockey, mostly. Baseball is, I guess, a “gray area”.

    —Ricko

  • aflfan | December 19, 2009 at 6:26 pm |

    [quote comment="367620"][quote comment="367615"][quote comment="367590"]Fresno St. is wearing the New Mexico Bowl patch on the back of their jerseys because they too much crap on the front. And the Wyoming unis are just hideous.[/quote]

    See, I like Wyoming, mainly because brown and yellow are seldom used in unifomrs. I really like the white helmet with the brown cowboy.

    Attack away![/quote]

    I like the helmets too. The unis would be fine without that diamond piping on the side: http://cdn0.sbnation...

    These used to be cool: http://images.wikia....

    When did they have these? http://media.scout.c... I’d wear that uni.[/quote]

    I agree with the piping. Those yellow one are nice. I don’t know as I have never seen those before.

  • Ricko | December 19, 2009 at 6:27 pm |

    [quote comment="367623"][quote comment="367619"]I don’t think you can include the yankees due to the roads using blue and white as accents to the gray. I would think that to qualify they would have to have a road like Boston’s road jersey- gray and one color. The home qualifies though.

    Actually, that’s another question. How many individual uniforms count even if the team’s whole set doesn’t?[/quote]
    I think it was established that the gray road unis are purely a utilitarian thing and thus are not included in the Yankees’ list of colors. Navy and white are the only 2. Unless you want to include the colors on this logo.[/quote]

    Logos not worn on the field kinda don’t count. Lots of other colors in the Celts’ leprechaun, for example.

    Here’s the rub, though. Yankees “top hat” logo is on their jackets. Isn’t it. Used to be. How does that fit in?

    —Ricko

  • Stuby | December 19, 2009 at 6:28 pm |

    [quote comment="367615"][quote comment="367590"]Fresno St. is wearing the New Mexico Bowl patch on the back of their jerseys because they too much crap on the front. And the Wyoming unis are just hideous.[/quote]

    See, I like Wyoming, mainly because brown and yellow are seldom used in unifomrs. I really like the white helmet with the brown cowboy.

    Attack away![/quote]
    I think the yellow pants are just too much. Its the “helmet should match the pants OR the jersey” theory. Maybe white pants with a yellow/brown stripe and yellow numerals or retool the look with a brown or yellow helmet. The white helmet, brown jersey, yellow pants just doesn’t do it for me.

  • David | December 19, 2009 at 6:33 pm |

    [quote comment=\"367627\"][quote comment=\"367615\"][quote comment=\"367590\"]Fresno St. is wearing the New Mexico Bowl patch on the back of their jerseys because they too much crap on the front. And the Wyoming unis are just hideous.[/quote]

    See, I like Wyoming, mainly because brown and yellow are seldom used in unifomrs. I really like the white helmet with the brown cowboy.

    Attack away![/quote]
    I think the yellow pants are just too much. Its the \”helmet should match the pants OR the jersey\” theory. Maybe white pants with a yellow/brown stripe and yellow numerals or retool the look with a brown or yellow helmet. The white helmet, brown jersey, yellow pants just doesn\’t do it for me.[/quote]

    I like Wyoming\’s unis, too – good color combination, inoffensive pant stripes, bold TV numbers … good job. And to echo what someone said earlier, I guess Fresno State\’s jersey has a BLOB (Bowl logo on back).

    :-)

  • Jeff P | December 19, 2009 at 6:35 pm |

    [quote comment="367622"][quote comment="367619"]I would think that to qualify they would have to have a road like Boston’s road jersey- gray and one color.[/quote]
    Gray and ONE color?[/quote]

    Forgot about that patch.

    [quote comment="367624"][quote comment="367619"]I don’t think you can include the yankees due to the roads using blue and white as accents to the gray. I would think that to qualify they would have to have a road like Boston’s road jersey- gray and one color. The home qualifies though.

    Actually, that’s another question. How many individual uniforms count even if the team’s whole set doesn’t?[/quote]

    Honestly, it’s hard to think of baseball in this discussion because of the gray imperative. In other sports it a white imperative. So I was talking both home AND road. No distinction between the two (Tigers a No, add orange on the road; back in ’50′s wore orange “D” hats and socks with two orange stripes at home, too).

    But I was thinking football, basketball and hockey, mostly. Baseball is, I guess, a “gray area”.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I guess I’m thinking base color and one accent rather then two colors total.

    But a quick glance at dressed to the nines shows that no baseball teams meet that criteria for road unis anymore.

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 6:36 pm |

    [quote comment="367615"][quote comment="367590"]Fresno St. is wearing the New Mexico Bowl patch on the back of their jerseys because they too much crap on the front. And the Wyoming unis are just hideous.[/quote]

    See, I like Wyoming, mainly because brown and yellow are seldom used in unifomrs. I really like the white helmet with the brown cowboy.

    Attack away![/quote]
    I aint hatin’ on Wyoming’s unis. Brown and gold are not a real sweet color combo, but these unis aren’t all bad. Well, there is the unnecessary yellow panels on the sides of the jerseys and the brown stripe on the pants is tapered at the top like a turd…

    Meanwhile – if someone can get a screen capture of the back of Fresno’s helmets, a lot is going on there. The traditional V;the player’s number; a US flag sticker; some kind of conference sticker;manufacturer’s labels – and a shitload of dogbones in two colors. Looks like the streetscape of some tourist trap town on Route 66.

  • leon | December 19, 2009 at 6:36 pm |

    “I guess Fresno State\’s jersey has a BLOB (Bowl logo on back).”

    Trap stamp.

  • aflfan | December 19, 2009 at 6:42 pm |

    Best part of the New Mexico Bowl is I personally know the referee in the game.

    There are actually three color dogbones from what I have seen.

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 19, 2009 at 6:48 pm |

    [quote comment="367629"][quote comment="367622"][quote comment="367619"]I would think that to qualify they would have to have a road like Boston’s road jersey- gray and one color.[/quote]
    Gray and ONE color?[/quote]

    Forgot about that patch.

    [quote comment="367624"][quote comment="367619"]I don’t think you can include the yankees due to the roads using blue and white as accents to the gray. I would think that to qualify they would have to have a road like Boston’s road jersey- gray and one color. The home qualifies though.

    Actually, that’s another question. How many individual uniforms count even if the team’s whole set doesn’t?[/quote]

    Honestly, it’s hard to think of baseball in this discussion because of the gray imperative. In other sports it a white imperative. So I was talking both home AND road. No distinction between the two (Tigers a No, add orange on the road; back in ’50′s wore orange “D” hats and socks with two orange stripes at home, too).

    But I was thinking football, basketball and hockey, mostly. Baseball is, I guess, a “gray area”.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I guess I’m thinking base color and one accent rather then two colors total.

    But a quick glance at dressed to the nines shows that no baseball teams meet that criteria for road unis anymore.[/quote]
    Ok, but what about the idea of not including the gray on a typical road baseball uniform because it’s mandated (or customary or traditional or whatever)…? Just like the white… EVERYONE has to wear it so it’s not included. Red Sox’ colors are Red and Navy, Tigers’ are Black and Orange, etc. And if you say: “no one HAS to wear gray roads… look at Houston, etc” well… then maybe you just don’t “get it”. ;-)

  • aflfan | December 19, 2009 at 6:51 pm |

    Anyone got a line on the the patch on Fresno State above the WAC patch on the right shoulder?
    Looks like it has a thumbs up in the middle.

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 6:52 pm |

    Meanwhile this D-III Barney Bowl is getting intense. Think of it as the Colts-Saints 18-0 Super Bowl preview.
    Both teams are 14-0. But even more noteworthy is that both teams never ever lose except possibly to each other in the annual Barney Bowl. 28-28 in the 4th quarter.

  • aflfan | December 19, 2009 at 6:54 pm |

    [quote comment="367635"]Meanwhile this D-III Barney Bowl is getting intense. Think of it as the Colts-Saints 18-0 Super Bowl preview.
    Both teams are 14-0. But even more noteworthy is that both teams never ever lose except possibly to each other in the annual Barney Bowl. 28-28 in the 4th quarter.[/quote]

    Yeah, this is the fifth straight season they have met in the Championship game. When Whitewater took the lead it was the first time Mt. Union had trail since October. May they should just set up a bowl game for those two teams and let the other schools battle in the playofs.

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 6:55 pm |

    [quote comment="367633"][quote comment="367629"][quote comment="367622"][quote comment="367619"]I would think that to qualify they would have to have a road like Boston’s road jersey- gray and one color.[/quote]
    Gray and ONE color?[/quote]

    Forgot about that patch.

    [quote comment="367624"][quote comment="367619"]I don’t think you can include the yankees due to the roads using blue and white as accents to the gray. I would think that to qualify they would have to have a road like Boston’s road jersey- gray and one color. The home qualifies though.

    Actually, that’s another question. How many individual uniforms count even if the team’s whole set doesn’t?[/quote]

    Honestly, it’s hard to think of baseball in this discussion because of the gray imperative. In other sports it a white imperative. So I was talking both home AND road. No distinction between the two (Tigers a No, add orange on the road; back in ’50′s wore orange “D” hats and socks with two orange stripes at home, too).

    But I was thinking football, basketball and hockey, mostly. Baseball is, I guess, a “gray area”.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I guess I’m thinking base color and one accent rather then two colors total.

    But a quick glance at dressed to the nines shows that no baseball teams meet that criteria for road unis anymore.[/quote]
    Ok, but what about the idea of not including the gray on a typical road baseball uniform because it’s mandated (or customary or traditional or whatever)…? Just like the white… EVERYONE has to wear it so it’s not included. Red Sox’ colors are Red and Navy, Tigers’ are Black and Orange, etc. And if you say: “no one HAS to wear gray roads… look at Houston, etc” well… then maybe you just don’t “get it”. ;-)[/quote]

    If you are saying the Tigers colors are BLACK and orange… you, you my friend – you don’t get it!

    //I keed, I keed
    // Black and Orange is for the Birds

  • Paul Lukas | December 19, 2009 at 7:00 pm |

    Latest soap opera update:
    http://blogs.nfl.com...

  • LarryB | December 19, 2009 at 7:01 pm |

    Announcers said 200 on Mt Union roster. I went to see them play several years ago and got a game program. It did have well over 100 names at that time. I joked with my brother that I would get in shape and walk on to the team. To say I was on a National Championship football team.

    So what if I was the 11th string linebacker. I wonder if each and every kid gets a ring or whatever they get?

  • LI Phil | December 19, 2009 at 7:02 pm |

    [quote comment="367616"][quote comment="367527"][quote comment="367520"][quote comment="367503"]I got the scoreboard! Go me!

    http://web.minorleag...

    Hey, I was there! I’m glad they’re making Futures at Fenway an annual event, it’s a great day out for families and wicked inexpensive.[/quote]

    That’s how I knew what it was: that game had to have been part of Futures at Fenway. From there it was just a matter of finding what year Portland played Harrisburg.[/quote]
    The Cubs have done something similar with “Road to Wrigley” games the last couple years. I was at the one in 2008 — Peoria Chiefs vs. Kane County Cougars. The kids were supposed to be able to run the bases afterwards, but the game was rain-shortened. I think we paid 10 or 12 bucks for good upper-deck seats.

    Last year, it was the Iowa Cubs vs. Las Vegas 51s.

    Are there any other MLB teams that do something like this?[/quote]

    last year, the mets put on 81 games featuring minor league baseball

  • Skycat | December 19, 2009 at 7:07 pm |

    [quote comment="367627"][quote comment="367615"][quote comment="367590"]Fresno St. is wearing the New Mexico Bowl patch on the back of their jerseys because they too much crap on the front. And the Wyoming unis are just hideous.[/quote]

    See, I like Wyoming, mainly because brown and yellow are seldom used in unifomrs. I really like the white helmet with the brown cowboy.

    Attack away![/quote]
    I think the yellow pants are just too much. Its the “helmet should match the pants OR the jersey” theory. Maybe white pants with a yellow/brown stripe and yellow numerals or retool the look with a brown or yellow helmet. The white helmet, brown jersey, yellow pants just doesn’t do it for me.[/quote]
    The flaw in the “helmet should match the pants OR the jersey” theory is the prevalence of white jerseys and white pants on road uniforms. In that case, we would have to eliminate all colored helmets. In the referenced game, Fresno State would have to say goodbye to the red helmets. Nonetheless, I agree that the white helmet kind of sticks out like a sore thumb on the Wyoming uniform and would replace the helmet with one of yellow or brown. As far as rule goes, I would simply modify it with “helmet should match the pants OR the jersey except when the uniform is all white.” Classic as they are, I really don’t think we want all road uniforms to look like those of Penn State or Texas.

  • aflfan | December 19, 2009 at 7:07 pm |

    [quote comment="367640"][quote comment="367616"][quote comment="367527"][quote comment="367520"][quote comment="367503"]I got the scoreboard! Go me!

    http://web.minorleag...

    Hey, I was there! I’m glad they’re making Futures at Fenway an annual event, it’s a great day out for families and wicked inexpensive.[/quote]

    That’s how I knew what it was: that game had to have been part of Futures at Fenway. From there it was just a matter of finding what year Portland played Harrisburg.[/quote]
    The Cubs have done something similar with “Road to Wrigley” games the last couple years. I was at the one in 2008 — Peoria Chiefs vs. Kane County Cougars. The kids were supposed to be able to run the bases afterwards, but the game was rain-shortened. I think we paid 10 or 12 bucks for good upper-deck seats.

    Last year, it was the Iowa Cubs vs. Las Vegas 51s.

    Are there any other MLB teams that do something like this?[/quote]

    last year, the mets put on 81 games featuring minor league baseball[/quote]

    And the Detroit Lions have been putting on Semi-Pro football games fore several seasons.

  • aflfan | December 19, 2009 at 7:09 pm |

    The other great thing about the New Mexico Bowl it the handmade trophy. It is unique every year. You could win the trophy five years in a row and it would never be the same.

  • JimV19 | December 19, 2009 at 7:15 pm |

    [quote comment="367640"][quote comment="367616"][quote comment="367527"][quote comment="367520"][quote comment="367503"]I got the scoreboard! Go me!

    http://web.minorleag...

    Hey, I was there! I’m glad they’re making Futures at Fenway an annual event, it’s a great day out for families and wicked inexpensive.[/quote]

    That’s how I knew what it was: that game had to have been part of Futures at Fenway. From there it was just a matter of finding what year Portland played Harrisburg.[/quote]
    The Cubs have done something similar with “Road to Wrigley” games the last couple years. I was at the one in 2008 — Peoria Chiefs vs. Kane County Cougars. The kids were supposed to be able to run the bases afterwards, but the game was rain-shortened. I think we paid 10 or 12 bucks for good upper-deck seats.

    Last year, it was the Iowa Cubs vs. Las Vegas 51s.

    Are there any other MLB teams that do something like this?[/quote]

    last year, the mets put on 81 games featuring minor league baseball[/quote]

    And for the past 17 years, so have my Pirates.

  • Nate Gruz | December 19, 2009 at 7:31 pm |

    The Maple Leafs are wearing the white alternates at home tonight while the Bruins go with their Men-in-Black look. Good looking game.

  • JimV19 | December 19, 2009 at 7:40 pm |

    DISCLAIMER: This is NOT because of the Chris Henry tragedy.

    After hearing about teams that put a teammate’s number on their helmets because of a mild illness or a broken appendage, I was thinking to myself earlier…should the Minnesota Wild wear a sticker mourning their lost equipment?

  • JimV19 | December 19, 2009 at 7:50 pm |

    Congratulations, Wisconsin Whitewater on the D-III championship.

    The Purple Bowl didn’t look as bad as I thought. My biggest problem with WWW is the same problem I have with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers: the W on the helmet is obscured by a logo:
    http://www.muc.edu/v...
    http://sportsfullcir...

    I like the Ws and the logos, just not on top of each other. Maybe a W on one side and the logo on the other side of the helmet?

  • Jamie | December 19, 2009 at 7:57 pm |

    Wow, Phil. You went apeshit with the links today, huh?

  • leon | December 19, 2009 at 8:00 pm |

    Nice Biezuns (44) on Wyoming.

  • aflfan | December 19, 2009 at 8:00 pm |

    It seems only Fresno QB has that patch on his jersey.

  • JTH | December 19, 2009 at 8:01 pm |

    [quote comment="367548"]Yeah… the one day I get the featured post on Uni Watch, a hockey team’s gear would burn up.[/quote]
    That was a nice get, by the way. Congrats. Did/will your interview run in the campus paper also?

  • Mickel | December 19, 2009 at 8:07 pm |

    [quote comment="367539"]http://www.flickr.com/photos/45283049@N07/4158438393/in/photostream/

    Daniel Patterson, great job with those Seahawks unis donning the gray pants,[/quote]

    Agree!

    Aerial coverage for a domed game at night = FAIL

  • LI Phil | December 19, 2009 at 8:08 pm |

    [quote comment="367649"]Wow, Phil. You went apeshit with the links today, huh?[/quote]

    not sure that i follow

  • Paul Barrett | December 19, 2009 at 8:12 pm |

    Here’s the back of Fresno St.’s helmet. That’s pretty busy. You have blue yellow and white bones, as well as a giant green “V” with what appears to be red stripes inside of it.

  • =bg= | December 19, 2009 at 8:27 pm |

    http://www.nfl.com/l...

    There’s the URL for the live Cowboys @ Saints. Free. Ominous captcha word for a Cowboys fan- it said ‘TOAST.’

    Saints in all black unitard.

  • =bg= | December 19, 2009 at 8:34 pm |

    never watched on NFL.com before. what’s with dumping outta the game to see these stupid studio guys? WTF?

  • aflfan | December 19, 2009 at 8:34 pm |

    [quote comment="367647"]DISCLAIMER: This is NOT because of the Chris Henry tragedy.

    After hearing about teams that put a teammate’s number on their helmets because of a mild illness or a broken appendage, I was thinking to myself earlier…should the Minnesota Wild wear a sticker mourning their lost equipment?[/quote]

    Like this?

    http://images2.cafep...

  • interlockingtc | December 19, 2009 at 8:35 pm |

    [quote comment="367619"]I don’t think you can include the yankees due to the roads using blue and white as accents to the gray. I would think that to qualify they would have to have a road like Boston’s road jersey- gray and one color. The home qualifies though.

    Actually, that’s another question. How many individual uniforms count even if the team’s whole set doesn’t?[/quote]

    It sure looks like the Houston Rockets are just red and white at home.

    http://c2.api.ning.c...

    The red road jersey looks to be inverted. But maybe there’s some grey/silver in there. I dunno.

  • interlockingtc | December 19, 2009 at 8:39 pm |

    Rockets road uniform. Red and white?

    http://designerwatch...

  • Jamie | December 19, 2009 at 8:44 pm |

    [quote comment="367654"][quote comment="367649"]Wow, Phil. You went apeshit with the links today, huh?[/quote]

    not sure that i follow[/quote]

    Oh, I just meant that the main article had a whole bunch of links.

  • aflfan | December 19, 2009 at 8:49 pm |

    Update on the Wild story from NHL.com

    http://www.nhl.com/i...

    They are down 3-0 after 2 periods.

  • aflfan | December 19, 2009 at 8:57 pm |

    University of Central Florida is the only bowl team today that is not wearing Nike uniforms. They are wearing Addias (sp?)

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 9:00 pm |

    Saints getting what they deserve for those hideous black ‘tards. Down 14-0. Knowing as I do now that the NFL teams choose the home unis well in advance – I would think that it would be a no-brainer for a team like NO that wears white at home often would choose to wear the all-black against Dallas. A lot of teams like to put Dallas in their blue jerseys.

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 9:14 pm |

    [quote comment="367663"]University of Central Florida is the only bowl team today that is not wearing Nike uniforms. They are wearing Addias (sp?)[/quote]
    In any case, I like this Uni matchup. Rutgers showed restraint and didn’t go monochrome – nice sharp red over white. UCF in their signature white trimmed in metallic gold.
    The only aesthetic problem is Tropicana Field.

  • Stuby | December 19, 2009 at 9:15 pm |

    [quote comment="367641"][quote comment="367627"][quote comment="367615"][quote comment="367590"]Fresno St. is wearing the New Mexico Bowl patch on the back of their jerseys because they too much crap on the front. And the Wyoming unis are just hideous.[/quote]

    See, I like Wyoming, mainly because brown and yellow are seldom used in unifomrs. I really like the white helmet with the brown cowboy.

    Attack away![/quote]
    I think the yellow pants are just too much. Its the “helmet should match the pants OR the jersey” theory. Maybe white pants with a yellow/brown stripe and yellow numerals or retool the look with a brown or yellow helmet. The white helmet, brown jersey, yellow pants just doesn’t do it for me.[/quote]
    The flaw in the “helmet should match the pants OR the jersey” theory is the prevalence of white jerseys and white pants on road uniforms. In that case, we would have to eliminate all colored helmets. In the referenced game, Fresno State would have to say goodbye to the red helmets. Nonetheless, I agree that the white helmet kind of sticks out like a sore thumb on the Wyoming uniform and would replace the helmet with one of yellow or brown. As far as rule goes, I would simply modify it with “helmet should match the pants OR the jersey except when the uniform is all white.” Classic as they are, I really don’t think we want all road uniforms to look like those of Penn State or Texas.[/quote]
    You’re right, I should have qualified that theory with the “doesn’t apply to white jerseys” addendum. I say just the jersey because there are plenty of situations (Michigan, for example) where the helmet doesn’t match either the jersey or pants on the road and it looks great.

  • aflfan | December 19, 2009 at 9:21 pm |

    [quote comment="367665"][quote comment="367663"]University of Central Florida is the only bowl team today that is not wearing Nike uniforms. They are wearing Addias (sp?)[/quote]
    In any case, I like this Uni matchup. Rutgers showed restraint and didn’t go monochrome – nice sharp red over white. UCF in their signature white trimmed in metallic gold.
    The only aesthetic problem is Tropicana Field.[/quote]

    You ain’t wrong there. Worst field I have seen in a while.

  • JAson | December 19, 2009 at 9:23 pm |

    [quote comment="367641"][quote comment="367627"][quote comment="367615"][quote comment="367590"]Fresno St. is wearing the New Mexico Bowl patch on the back of their jerseys because they too much crap on the front. And the Wyoming unis are just hideous.[/quote]

    See, I like Wyoming, mainly because brown and yellow are seldom used in unifomrs. I really like the white helmet with the brown cowboy.

    Attack away![/quote]
    I think the yellow pants are just too much. Its the “helmet should match the pants OR the jersey” theory. Maybe white pants with a yellow/brown stripe and yellow numerals or retool the look with a brown or yellow helmet. The white helmet, brown jersey, yellow pants just doesn’t do it for me.[/quote]
    The flaw in the “helmet should match the pants OR the jersey” theory is the prevalence of white jerseys and white pants on road uniforms. In that case, we would have to eliminate all colored helmets. In the referenced game, Fresno State would have to say goodbye to the red helmets. Nonetheless, I agree that the white helmet kind of sticks out like a sore thumb on the Wyoming uniform and would replace the helmet with one of yellow or brown. As far as rule goes, I would simply modify it with “helmet should match the pants OR the jersey except when the uniform is all white.” Classic as they are, I really don’t think we want all road uniforms to look like those of Penn State or Texas.[/quote]

    Maybe the white helmets are a nod to the old westerns where the good cowboys always wore white hats…

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 9:47 pm |

    I’m not a big believer in rules for helmets and pants or helmets and jerseys – but the Wyoming uni today is the best example of white helmets really only working with white jerseys or white pants. The old SD Chargers wore white helmets with blue jerseys and gold pants for a time, but I can’t think of another example where that worked.

  • scott | December 19, 2009 at 9:48 pm |

    Which Padres uniform would be best for the team to wear on Thursday afternoons?

    http://mlb.mlb.com/n...

  • jack | December 19, 2009 at 9:50 pm |

    As a Niners’ fan, I’m already tired of this year’s look – the pants especially, which look like somebody went wild with a jar of mustard. And the red went from being too dark to looking too light. But I do like the striping on the helmet because the white stripe picks up the SF in the logo nicely.

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 10:13 pm |

    [quote comment="367670"]Which Padres uniform would be best for the team to wear on Thursday afternoons?

    http://mlb.mlb.com/n... had to click on that to be sure it wasn’t an Onion article. It sounds like a joke even to a UniWatcher that a team would have a Thursday afternoon home uniform.

  • JTH | December 19, 2009 at 10:16 pm |

    [quote comment="367660"]Rockets road uniform. Red and white?

    http://designerwatch...
    I don’t think there’s any silver on them, but the white jerseys have very thin black drop shadows. You can see it if you view this pic at full size.

    The red ones have silver trim/drop shadows.

    Plus, this is their alt.

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 10:27 pm |

    [quote comment="367673"][quote comment="367660"]Rockets road uniform. Red and white?

    http://designerwatch...
    I don’t think there’s any silver on them, but the white jerseys have very thin black drop shadows. You can see it if you view this pic at full size.

    The red ones have silver trim/drop shadows.

    Plus, this is their alt.[/quote]
    Good detective work James. The Rockets need to go back to their Ketchup and Mustard – they can own that combo exclusively since the Hawks abandoned it.

  • =bg= | December 19, 2009 at 10:28 pm |

    I think reports of a Saints blowout were premature.
    How BOUT dem Cowboys.

  • stanleecup | December 19, 2009 at 10:29 pm |

    Everything you wanted to know about Oregon’s uniforms and the man behind them. Fantastic job with that Kenny! Special thanks, also, go out to Casey Martin for allowing Kenny that access.

    Well, not everything we wanted to know… Did anyone ask why Phil Knight would let his alum mater look like a bunch of douches?

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 10:34 pm |

    [quote comment="367675"]I think reports of a Saints blowout were premature.
    How BOUT dem Cowboys.[/quote]
    Did you ever notice that when the network cameras show the owner’s box after a team scores – only Jerry Jones celebrates as if HE scored the touchdown.

  • stanleecup | December 19, 2009 at 10:34 pm |

    As a Niners’ fan, I’m already tired of this year’s look – the pants especially, which look like somebody went wild with a jar of mustard. And the red went from being too dark to looking too light. But I do like the striping on the helmet because the white stripe picks up the SF in the logo nicely.

    Jack,good point. This is is because no one in the team outfitting world anymore knows WTF they’re doing anymore. No one has a friggin’ clue.

  • aflfan | December 19, 2009 at 10:34 pm |

    [quote comment="367675"]I think reports of a Saints blowout were premature.
    How BOUT dem Cowboys.[/quote]

    Don’t worry the Cowboys will turn around and lose to the Skins next week

  • LI Phil | December 19, 2009 at 10:38 pm |

    [quote comment="367667"][quote comment="367665"][quote comment="367663"]University of Central Florida is the only bowl team today that is not wearing Nike uniforms. They are wearing Addias (sp?)[/quote]
    In any case, I like this Uni matchup. Rutgers showed restraint and didn’t go monochrome – nice sharp red over white. UCF in their signature white trimmed in metallic gold.
    The only aesthetic problem is Tropicana Field.[/quote]

    You ain’t wrong there. Worst field I have seen in a while.[/quote]

    when rutgers chooses to wear the red over white, it’s one of the nicer unis in college football…good helmet/jersey combo, pleasing fonts, no bumperstickers

    really, just a good look

    i know they’ve worn this ridiculous look in the past, but were they ever in red over red this year? i don’t think so

  • LI Phil | December 19, 2009 at 10:44 pm |

    with regard to ucf’s unis

    i like them, but i think their numerals really need a much thicker black outline, like their helmet stripes and helmet logo have

    the light gold on white isn’t the easiest thing to make out

    and would this game have been so bad if it were color on color? ucf’s gold jersey certainly wouldn’t be confused, even by the color blind, with rutgers’ red

  • Paul Lukas | December 19, 2009 at 10:46 pm |

    [quote comment="367677"][quote comment="367675"]I think reports of a Saints blowout were premature.
    How BOUT dem Cowboys.[/quote]
    Did you ever notice that when the network cameras show the owner’s box after a team scores – only Jerry Jones celebrates as if HE scored the touchdown.[/quote]

    Did you ever notice that showing the owner’s box after a TD is a total waste of everyone’s time? Reaction shots — of an owner, of a coach, of a manager — are the laziest, most boring, and most overused maneuver in the director’s toolkit. Total rubbernecking, hoping that the guy throws a tantrum, which just cheapens the proceedings. Lame.

  • JTH | December 19, 2009 at 10:48 pm |

    [quote comment="367674"][quote comment="367673"][quote comment="367660"]Rockets road uniform. Red and white?

    http://designerwatch...
    I don’t think there’s any silver on them, but the white jerseys have very thin black drop shadows. You can see it if you view this pic at full size.

    The red ones have silver trim/drop shadows.

    Plus, this is their alt.[/quote]
    Good detective work James. The Rockets need to go back to their Ketchup and Mustard – they can own that combo exclusively since the Hawks abandoned it.[/quote]
    Indeed. Hardly anyone uses that combo. Chiefs, Flames (kinda) and…

    And it looks like the Bears were able to get off the ground.

  • LI Phil | December 19, 2009 at 10:53 pm |

    [quote comment="367682"][quote comment="367677"][quote comment="367675"]I think reports of a Saints blowout were premature.
    How BOUT dem Cowboys.[/quote]
    Did you ever notice that when the network cameras show the owner’s box after a team scores – only Jerry Jones celebrates as if HE scored the touchdown.[/quote]

    Did you ever notice that showing the owner’s box after a TD is a total waste of everyone’s time? Reaction shots — of an owner, of a coach, of a manager — are the laziest, most boring, and most overused maneuver in the director’s toolkit. Total rubbernecking, hoping that the guy throws a tantrum, which just cheapens the proceedings. Lame.[/quote]

    what we need are more candid shots of jerry jones when he may not realize he’s on camera

  • LI Phil | December 19, 2009 at 11:01 pm |

    whoops

    wrong link above

    i meant this one

  • stanleecup | December 19, 2009 at 11:09 pm |

    The Wild survived in the Wild new unis.

    http://wild.nhl.com/...|MIN|home

    A 4-1 loss is tough to blame on equipment.

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 11:20 pm |

    [quote comment="367681"]with regard to ucf’s unis

    i like them, but i think their numerals really need a much thicker black outline, like their helmet stripes and helmet logo have

    the light gold on white isn’t the easiest thing to make out

    and would this game have been so bad if it were color on color? ucf’s gold jersey certainly wouldn’t be confused, even by the color blind, with rutgers’ red[/quote]
    Agreed – thicker black outline would enhance.
    Definitely agree – the gold jerseys would look good in this matchup.

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 11:26 pm |

    [quote comment="367683"][quote comment="367674"][quote comment="367673"][quote comment="367660"]Rockets road uniform. Red and white?

    http://designerwatch...
    I don’t think there’s any silver on them, but the white jerseys have very thin black drop shadows. You can see it if you view this pic at full size.

    The red ones have silver trim/drop shadows.

    Plus, this is their alt.[/quote]
    Good detective work James. The Rockets need to go back to their Ketchup and Mustard – they can own that combo exclusively since the Hawks abandoned it.[/quote]
    Indeed. Hardly anyone uses that combo. Chiefs, Flames (kinda) and…

    And it looks like the Bears were able to get off the ground.[/quote]
    Yes. The Chiefs wear it well – as did the Flames in the Hockem Loob (sp) and Lanny McDonald days.

  • Taxman | December 19, 2009 at 11:31 pm |

    Anyone else receiving false “invalid anti-spam word” messages? My posts are posting in spite of the messages.

  • =bg= | December 19, 2009 at 11:31 pm |

    [quote comment="367679"][quote comment="367675"]I think reports of a Saints blowout were premature.
    How BOUT dem Cowboys.[/quote]

    Don’t worry the Cowboys will turn around and lose to the Skins next week[/quote]

    Wouldn’t be TOO sure on that.

  • stanleecup | December 19, 2009 at 11:36 pm |

    I have a few ideas for some NFL uni tweaks, but beyond a little copy and pasting, am not sure how to do one that doesn’t look like a 5 year old made it. Any uni tweaking tips or suggestions out there for a guy with average computer skills?

    Go to the Chris Creamer.com site… There’s a million guys there that do that stuff.

  • JimV19 | December 20, 2009 at 12:04 am |

    [quote comment="367675"]I think reports of a Saints blowout were premature.
    How BOUT dem Cowboys.[/quote]

    How ’bout DESE Cowboys? http://a.espncdn.com...

  • Teebz | December 20, 2009 at 12:15 am |

    [quote comment="367688"]Hockem Loob (sp)[/quote]

    Ahem… Hakan Loob. ;o)

  • Mike Engle | December 20, 2009 at 2:09 am |

    [quote comment="367693"][quote comment="367688"]Hockem Loob (sp)[/quote]

    Ahem… Hakan Loob. ;o)[/quote]
    Speaking of Hakan Loob, the results of the alternate jersey poll are coming tomorrow!