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Tuesday Morning Uni Watch

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That there was some right purty football, it was.

And not just in Foxboro — the Raiders and Chargers looked my-t-fine as well. Sure, you could quibble about a few things elements not being 100% authentic or whatever, and today’s fabrics don’t have the texture of the old days, but on the whole these two games were very, very easy on the eyes. And as Phil points out, the teams looked a lot better than if they’d been wearing their standard attire.

A few things I was fixating on:

• I loved that the Raiders/Chargers gridiron was laid out over the Oakland Coliseum’s baseball diamond, with lots of the game action taking place on the dirt infield — a bonus throwback element for those of us who remember when so many football games were played in baseball stadiums.

• The Bills’ throwback helmets have had no NFL shield and no American flag for several years now, so that’s nothing new. But I was surprised to see that the Pats, Raiders, and Chargers also went without those two decals. An impressive bit of graphic restraint. (For the record, though, only the Bills went the extra mile of removing the fine-print warning decal, which means the Pats, Raiders, and Chargers are officially total Nancys.)

• Speaking of rear-helmet details, the Pats had a very nice uni number treatment. Is that how they looked back in the day? Yup.

• Were those officials friggin’ awesome or what? I especially loved their uni numbers, which were probably my favorite visual element of the entire night.

• Obviously, there were lots of modern details that we wouldn’t have seen in an early-1960s game — visors, super-short sleeves, African-American officials, etc. None of that bothered me, but for some reason I was seriously annoyed by Buffalo’s captaincy patches, which felt completely out of place and ill-advised. The other teams, thankfully, did without them.

• The other big turd in the punch bowl: those goddamn green dots.

• If you look again at that last photo, you can see how Buffalo’s helmets were cream, not white. New England’s were even a micro-shade darker, or at least that’s how it looked on my TV. In theory, this is fine, but the game was played on FieldTurf, so the uniforms didn’t get dirty and the whites stayed very white, which really accentuated the off-white helmets, probably a bit more than was intended.

• Best argument — maybe the only good argument — against San Diego’s helmet numbers: They don’t mesh well with today’s high-hookup chin straps.

• Oakland’s sideline staff wore these totally boss sweaters, or maybe they were sweatshirts. Whatever, they looked cool.

• Belichick just wore his usual sweatshirt with the cut-off sleeves, instead of that cool throwback hoodie. Dang.

Not a bad start to the throwback series. I could definitely get used to this.

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Research Request: I’ve begun working on a column about football gloves, which I think have had a massive (and largely overlooked) impact on the game in recent years. I admit to knowing relatively little about their history — who was the first player to wear them? The first QB? The first QB to do so on both hands? Was there any ever question about their legality under the rules? Also, I know there’s a story about CFL players wearing glass cutters’ gloves but can’t recall the details.

So if you have any thoughts to share about football gloves — history, design, colors, quirks, oddities (until yesterday, for example, I didn’t know that Lions punter Nick Harris wears gloves), whatever, — let’s have ’em. Big thanks in advance.

Please Note: Yes, I’m still having e-mail problems. Yes, it’s incredibly frustrating. Yes, I’m about to switch to gmail but am giving the Earthlink techies one last chance to solve the problem because I really don’t want the hassle of telling the entire world that I’ve changed addresses. For today, please keep using beerframeguy at yahoo.com. Thanks.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Really fun item here about a visit with MLB licensing VP Howard Smith (with thanks to Chris Flinn). … That is one super-cool radio (welcome back, HHH). … A frog in a baseball uniform? Sure, why not. … Completely gorgeous vintage hoops jersey here. … Good post on hockey uni numbers by Jeff Barak. … Sorry, this item is no longer available, but maybe one of them is rattling around a flea market or something. I gotta have one! (Great find by Kirsten.) … Also from Kirsten: These antique baseball gloves. Lots of other cool stuff on that site, too. … Good news in Rochester, where this has given way to this (as noted by a very happy Doug Brei). … New shirt sponsor for Liverpool (with thanks to Keith Dow). … Several people have asked where I got — or, more to the point, where they can get — this T-shirt. Look here. … FNOB alert from a 1983 Saints/Jets game (courtesy of Bill Kellick). … Do you think the caps worn by members of Hamas look like green Washington Nationals caps? Right, neither do I. But some security personnel at an Israeli airport did (with thanks to William Yurasko). … Jonathan Sluss notes that Ryan Williams had a uni-numbered towel on Saturday. … Also from Jonathan: Virginia Tech soccer player Jennifer Harvey has been wearing an interesting nose guard. … Uh-oh, kitty in the stirrup drawer! That’s Jescoe, Robert Marshall‘s mama cat. Hope none of our Uni Watch Stirrup Club members are allergic. … Speaking of which, in case you’ve missed it, ordering instrux for the latest round of stirrups can be found here. … If you go to the 2:13 mark of the first video on this page, you’ll see the jumpman logo now appearing on Marquette’s basketball shorts (with thanks to Brendan, who didn’t give his last name). … Another good Penn State equipment room video here (Chris Flinn again). … Here’s a weird one: Apparently the Pistons are going to have a memorial patch for Bill Davidson on the back of their collars — a blue patch at home and red on the road. Off the top of my head, I can’t think of that spot being used for a memorial patch before, in any sport (big thanks to Jeff Cohen). … HelmetHats!

 

358 comments to Tuesday Morning Uni Watch

  • LarryB | September 15, 2009 at 7:50 am |

    The Patriot helmets did look cream colored to me

  • Jared | September 15, 2009 at 8:13 am |

    My wife, who has little to no onterest in pro sports, was forced to watch MNF with me last night if she wanted to cuddle our newborn son (he was not missing his fist MNF). NEedless to say the TV cameras show the officials and she gets all excited. She loved their “outfits.” It was a moment of Uniwatching that may never happen in our house. She allowed me to jump into an AFL history diatribe and actually seemed interested.

  • silentfrank | September 15, 2009 at 8:18 am |

    Concur with the Pats helmet’s being cream or off-white. Nice touch. I might be the only one who thought the Bills white jerseys were a little blah (Not sure if they had blue pants back in the day but if so maybe that would have helped). Still their helmets’ were class too.

    Only concern, sort of on the same line of this past weekends uni makeover thoughts; The off-white helmets are great. I just wouldn’t want it to become a deal where a whole bunch of teams adopt it and drown out the specialness.

  • Randy Rollyson | September 15, 2009 at 8:27 am |

    Were the stripes on the Patriots helmets correct?

  • dwight | September 15, 2009 at 8:42 am |

    In light of the Texans’ constant suckage, I am recruiting a new team to root for. I have narrowed down the selections to:

    Bears
    Packers
    49ers
    Saints
    Browns
    Colts

    I have eliminated all others for various reasons, unis being a key factor. Please provide pros/cons as to why I should make your team “my team”. Thanks uniwatch!

  • Bob | September 15, 2009 at 8:43 am |

    The throwbacks all around were nice. But can we please teach logo desigers, proofreaders, etc. what exactly constitutes an anniversary? It’s bad enough to say “50th anniversary” when you really mean “50th season” and there have been a slew of offenders over the years on that. But “50th anniversary season” (as printed on the AFL patches, field logos, etc.) is even worse. The AFL’s 50th anniversary of its first season is NEXT YEAR!! Their 50th season is this year. It’s the same principle as a person’s birthday. Not a hard concept, actually.

  • Greg V. | September 15, 2009 at 8:45 am |

    I also love the uncluttered look of the back of the helmets. I wish teams would do this for their currents helmets. We know this is the NFL so ditch the shield, and the flag decal has been there so long nobody sees it for the purpose it was put there in the first place. It’s just another decal now.

    Paul, I think you meant to call out the Chargers, not the Bengals, for being Nancys though. As a Cincinnatian, I can assure you that the Bengals are indeed Nancys, but not because they have Riddell’s warning on the back of the helmet.

  • Paul Lukas | September 15, 2009 at 8:45 am |

    [quote comment=”347856″]In light of the Texans’ constant suckage, I am recruiting a new team to root for. I have narrowed down the selections to:

    Bears
    Packers
    49ers
    Saints
    Browns
    Colts

    I have eliminated all others for various reasons, unis being a key factor. Please provide pros/cons as to why I should make your team “my team”. Thanks uniwatch![/quote]

    To paraphrase Foghorn Leghorn, there’s something a little eeeeeeyyyyhhhh about someone who’d let other people help determine his rooting interests.

  • glen | September 15, 2009 at 8:46 am |

    (For the record, though, only the Bills went the extra mile of removing the fine-print warning decal, which means the Pats, Raiders, and Bengals are officially total Nancys.)

    Small typo. Bengals should be Raiders

  • Paul Lukas | September 15, 2009 at 8:47 am |

    [quote comment=”347858″]Paul, I think you meant to call out the Chargers, not the Bengals, for being Nancys though.[/quote]

    Yes, sorry. Brain cramp. Now fixed.

  • Harmy G | September 15, 2009 at 8:51 am |

    Nice pic of the numbers on the back of a ref’s uni:
    http://cache.boston....

  • The Jeff | September 15, 2009 at 8:53 am |

    [quote comment=”347855″]Were the stripes on the Patriots helmets correct?[/quote]

    Yes.

    The blue stripe down the middle that we all remember (and probably prefer because it looks better) didn’t show up on their helmets until 1965.

  • dwight | September 15, 2009 at 8:53 am |

    [quote comment=”347859″][quote comment=”347856″]In light of the Texans’ constant suckage, I am recruiting a new team to root for. I have narrowed down the selections to:

    Bears
    Packers
    49ers
    Saints
    Browns
    Colts

    I have eliminated all others for various reasons, unis being a key factor. Please provide pros/cons as to why I should make your team “my team”. Thanks uniwatch![/quote]

    To paraphrase Foghorn Leghorn, there’s something a little eeeeeeyyyyhhhh about someone who’d let other people help determine his rooting interests.[/quote]

    Amen – I just have no real Pro allegence (due to moving throughout life), and am done rooting for my geographical team (Houston). And to be clear, I am not letting others CHOOSE, but perhaps provide some clarity and perspective on my ultimate decision.

  • Mark K | September 15, 2009 at 8:56 am |

    I’d like to an official with a 3-digit number in one of these throwbacks.

  • M.Princip | September 15, 2009 at 8:56 am |

    [quote comment=”347856″]In light of the Texans’ constant suckage, I am recruiting a new team to root for. I have narrowed down the selections to:

    Bears
    Packers
    49ers
    Saints
    Browns
    Colts

    I have eliminated all others for various reasons, unis being a key factor. Please provide pros/cons as to why I should make your team “my team”. Thanks uniwatch![/quote]

    I would seriously suggest one of these three teams for you; Patriots, Cowboys, or, Steelers. You would fit right in with most of their fans.

  • The Jeff | September 15, 2009 at 8:59 am |

    [quote comment=”347857″]The throwbacks all around were nice. But can we please teach logo desigers, proofreaders, etc. what exactly constitutes an anniversary? It’s bad enough to say “50th anniversary” when you really mean “50th season” and there have been a slew of offenders over the years on that. But “50th anniversary season” (as printed on the AFL patches, field logos, etc.) is even worse. The AFL’s 50th anniversary of its first season is NEXT YEAR!! Their 50th season is this year. It’s the same principle as a person’s birthday. Not a hard concept, actually.[/quote]

    Considering they didn’t even bother to get all the teams to use uniforms from the first season… what’s it matter?

    I like the uniforms, but they really should have used the 1960 uniforms for all 8 teams… even if that does mean putting the Bills in silver helmets and making the Raiders wear black & gold.

    Also, whoever decided to let the Cowboys wear throwbacks against the Raiders and Chiefs instead of having the Raiders & Chiefs do it against each other should be slapped. Hard.

  • Paul Lukas | September 15, 2009 at 9:00 am |

    [quote comment=”347862″]Nice pic of the numbers on the back of a ref’s uni:
    http://cache.boston....

    Ah, thank you — I’ll add that to the main text right now.

  • glen | September 15, 2009 at 9:03 am |

    [quote comment=”347866″][quote comment=”347856″]In light of the Texans’ constant suckage, I am recruiting a new team to root for. I have narrowed down the selections to:

    Bears
    Packers
    49ers
    Saints
    Browns
    Colts

    I have eliminated all others for various reasons, unis being a key factor. Please provide pros/cons as to why I should make your team “my team”. Thanks uniwatch![/quote]

    I would seriously suggest one of these three teams for you; Patriots, Cowboys, or, Steelers. You would fit right in with most of their fans.[/quote]

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Not to laugh at you dwight, but that was comedy. I would have to encourage rooting for the horseshoes

  • bourbon soaked idiot | September 15, 2009 at 9:07 am |

    I agree the Patriots uniforms looked much better than the crap they have now, I disagree about the Raiders and the Chargers. Taking any nostaglia out of it, from a design standpoint the new Chargers are superior and the black outline on the Raiders throwback looks to clunky. I much prefer the modern Raiders jersey.

    The Bills look better last night but that throwback while it may be historically acurate is a disaster. The helmet stripe dosen’t match the sleeve stripe which is different than the pants stripe and still different than the socks stripe.

  • dwight | September 15, 2009 at 9:13 am |

    [quote comment=”347869″][quote comment=”347866″][quote comment=”347856″]In light of the Texans’ constant suckage, I am recruiting a new team to root for. I have narrowed down the selections to:

    Bears
    Packers
    49ers
    Saints
    Browns
    Colts

    I have eliminated all others for various reasons, unis being a key factor. Please provide pros/cons as to why I should make your team “my team”. Thanks uniwatch![/quote]

    I would seriously suggest one of these three teams for you; Patriots, Cowboys, or, Steelers. You would fit right in with most of their fans.[/quote]

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Not to laugh at you dwight, but that was comedy. I would have to encourage rooting for the horseshoes[/quote]

    That’s why I left the Browns, Saints, and Niners – and eliminated the Pats and Steelers, greatness is NOT a pre-requisite

  • Jonathan Sluss | September 15, 2009 at 9:15 am |

    The rear collar memorial patch has been done before: in 2007-08 several of the ACC basketball teams used that location for their black band to memorialize the Virginia Tech shooting victims. UNC was just one of them that I remember of the top of my head. Here’s a link to a gallery showing how they used it:

    http://tarheelblue.c...

  • PBurland23 | September 15, 2009 at 9:19 am |

    I only saw the Pats-Bills game and it was seriously the best looking uniform game I’ve seen in some time. The biggest exception was Belichick who looked like a jackass again.

    My other thought…why not some throwback uniforms for the cheerleaders?

  • Sarran | September 15, 2009 at 9:21 am |

    [quote comment=”347865″]I’d like to an official with a 3-digit number in one of these throwbacks.[/quote]
    I know I saw at least one 3-digit official. Cant find visual evidence though.

  • MPowers1634 | September 15, 2009 at 9:24 am |

    Marquette with the Jumpman logo…because Dwayne (sp?) Wade switched ober to the Jordan Brand so does his alma mater.

  • The Jeff | September 15, 2009 at 9:24 am |

    [quote comment=”347873″]I only saw the Pats-Bills game and it was seriously the best looking uniform game I’ve seen in some time. The biggest exception was Belichick who looked like a jackass again.

    My other thought…why not some throwback more revealing uniforms for the cheerleaders?[/quote]

    Fixed that for ya. :)

    (sorry, I haven’t had anywhere near enough sleep today)

  • leon | September 15, 2009 at 9:29 am |

    If they wanted to go full bore on the graphic restraint, they should have omitted the 50th Year patches as well.

    Excellent helmet numbers on Pats.

    I agree with the nostalgia value of dirt infields. Got me to thinking:to what extent would they go? One broadcast in B&W with simplified graphics and old commercials? Too much outside the box?

    And a standing O to M.Princip for this one:
    I would seriously suggest one of these three teams for you; Patriots, Cowboys, or, Steelers. You would fit right in with most of their fans.

  • Greenie | September 15, 2009 at 9:30 am |

    [quote comment=”347871″][quote comment=”347869″][quote comment=”347866″][quote comment=”347856″]In light of the Texans’ constant suckage, I am recruiting a new team to root for. I have narrowed down the selections to:

    Bears
    Packers
    49ers
    Saints
    Browns
    Colts

    I have eliminated all others for various reasons, unis being a key factor. Please provide pros/cons as to why I should make your team “my team”. Thanks uniwatch![/quote]

    I would seriously suggest one of these three teams for you; Patriots, Cowboys, or, Steelers. You would fit right in with most of their fans.[/quote]

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Not to laugh at you dwight, but that was comedy. I would have to encourage rooting for the horseshoes[/quote]

    That’s why I left the Browns, Saints, and Niners – and eliminated the Pats and Steelers, greatness is NOT a pre-requisite[/quote]

    If greatness is not a pre-requisite, as you say, why then are you forsaking your Texans. They’re not great, but you are giving up on them for their ‘constant suckage’. Why give up one loser for another?

    On another note, go with GB. Best fans, best ownership (ourselves), great uniforms, great history, awesome stadium. Can’t go wrong. Until you try and get season tickets. I’m number 56,000-some.

    -Greenie

  • Flip | September 15, 2009 at 9:30 am |

    MNF was outstanding last night. And I agree, the attire last night was better than the standard fare.

    That said, the Pats’ and Bills’ uniforms could be tweaked to make them even more awesome. As Phil pointed out, the blue stripe on the Patriots’ helmet would be one. The stripes on the socks were darned nice, but even they could be improved.

    What a nice template opportunity.

  • Hott Rodd | September 15, 2009 at 9:31 am |

    [quote comment=”347866″][quote comment=”347856″]In light of the Texans’ constant suckage, I am recruiting a new team to root for. I have narrowed down the selections to:

    Bears
    Packers
    49ers
    Saints
    Browns
    Colts

    I have eliminated all others for various reasons, unis being a key factor. Please provide pros/cons as to why I should make your team “my team”. Thanks uniwatch![/quote]

    I would seriously suggest one of these three teams for you; Patriots, Cowboys, or, Steelers. You would fit right in with most of their fans.[/quote]

    Dang Mike, we are not all like that. We have feelings you know. Some of us try real hard to move away from the BW stigma..

    (I know it was a backhanded slap at the OP, but it still hurts)

    /toungue-in-cheek

  • CJ | September 15, 2009 at 9:32 am |

    I never wear hats, but damn would I love to own some of those helmet hats.

  • =bg= | September 15, 2009 at 9:35 am |

    if you’re switching to Gmail or Yahoo from EL, Gmal and Yahoo offer a free serv called “TrueSwith” that will 1) tell everyone in add book your new add, 2) copy your add book, and 3) copy all your stored mail into corresponding new folders in the new account. FYI.

  • Hott Rodd | September 15, 2009 at 9:35 am |

    Also Re: Oakland Long Sleeve tees,

    This is a template that the league has been using for a few years, with small tweaks each year, I know it has been brought up here before. I have a short sleeve version that is about 2 years old, and it is awesome, with heavier fabric, and sewn on letters that have great texture.

    down at the bottom on the tag it says something about it being a collection of some sort, but i can’t recall off the top of my head.

  • Hank | September 15, 2009 at 9:36 am |

    Concurring with last night’s MNF games. A ten-beller on the cool chart. Just more proof that newer isn’t always better.

  • JRJR | September 15, 2009 at 9:40 am |

    I would go with a .mac acount(or mobileme)as they now call it. Then gmail doesn’t get all of your and your contact’s info…

  • DW | September 15, 2009 at 9:40 am |

    You know, if the Raiders used the old “shield” on the field as their yard markers [look at old pix of Raiders games and you’ll see ’em] then it would have been perfect. It was pretty close last night … they even have a fat coach just like Madden … just reminding fans of the days of many multi-purpose stadia …Are the Raiders the only one left in the No Fun League that plays on a baseball infield this time of year?

  • fleeser | September 15, 2009 at 9:43 am |

    I absolutely LOVED three out of the four teams’ throwbacks last night. The exception was the Raiders, who I thought looked pretty good, but I prefer their current set.

    The Patriots blew me away. I have always loved the Pat Patriot helmets and the red jerseys with the over-the-shoulder stripes, but they made a crucial change for the AFL anniversary.

    Last time I remember them wearing throwbacks was Thanksgiving 2002 against the Lions. The difference then was a blue stroke on the numbers: http://www.cbc.ca/gf.... In my opinion, they looked infinitely better without the outline.

    There is no reason for them not to adopt that as their permanent look. Besides, I want to see the white ones!

  • leon | September 15, 2009 at 9:45 am |

    That first ticker item about the trip to the MLB offices is highly recommendable. (I’m not going to make a splendid splinter reference).

    http://snaggingbaseb...

  • MPowers1634 | September 15, 2009 at 9:58 am |

    [quote comment=”347881″]I never wear hats, but damn would I love to own some of those helmet hats.[/quote]

    I know Nike makes skull caps designed after many of their NCAA squads, however I have never seen NFL versions.

  • dwight | September 15, 2009 at 9:58 am |

    [/quote]
    If greatness is not a pre-requisite, as you say, why then are you forsaking your Texans. They’re not great, but you are giving up on them for their ‘constant suckage’. Why give up one loser for another?

    On another note, go with GB. Best fans, best ownership (ourselves), great uniforms, great history, awesome stadium. Can’t go wrong. Until you try and get season tickets. I’m number 56,000-some.

    -Greenie[/quote]

    Good question – I only watch/root for the Houston team b/c i moved to houston and they are on t.v. they are certainly not “my team”. It’s not the losing per se, but rather the inability to be relevant (for better or worse), even in Houston (seem to be more cowboys fans)

  • leon | September 15, 2009 at 9:59 am |

    Re: Nats green hats.

    It’s a good thing that V.J. Singh wasn’t wearing his Hamas jacket when he stopped over at Ben Gurion Airport on his way home to Fiji.

  • Rob | September 15, 2009 at 10:01 am |

    re: person looking for an official that had a 3 digit number last night.

    I don’t have any screengrabs, but there was a side judge who clearly wore #100 last night. He always came in to mark the spot of the ball.

    As my wife asked me last night why the refs were wearing orange… I immediately wondered how many other Uni Watchers were having that same discussion.

  • Rob | September 15, 2009 at 10:01 am |

    Forgot to mention – he was in the Pats-Bills game,

  • marc | September 15, 2009 at 10:07 am |

    LOVED the games last night… it was a visual orgy.

    Was anyone else bothered by the fact the Pats used Flying Elvis as their field graphic? It seemed REALLY out of place. They should have used an AFL logo instead, IMHO (hey, it was on the ref’s unis, so why not?).

  • Mark in Shiga | September 15, 2009 at 10:09 am |

    [quote comment=”347892″]re: person looking for an official that had a 3 digit number last night.

    I don’t have any screengrabs, but there was a side judge who clearly wore #100 last night. He always came in to mark the spot of the ball.[/quote]

    Awesome; I want to see him. Did they use special slightly-thinner digits to accommodate him, like Japanese baseball teams do? The regular refs don’t do this, or at least they didn’t until three or four years ago when the refs’ jerseys still looked decent.

  • Ry Co 40 | September 15, 2009 at 10:10 am |

    [quote comment=”347889″][/quote]
    If greatness is not a pre-requisite, as you say, why then are you forsaking your Texans. They’re not great, but you are giving up on them for their ‘constant suckage’. Why give up one loser for another?

    On another note, go with GB. Best fans, best ownership (ourselves), great uniforms, great history, awesome stadium. Can’t go wrong. Until you try and get season tickets. I’m number 56,000-some.

    -Greenie[/quote]

    Good question – I only watch/root for the Houston team b/c i moved to houston and they are on t.v. they are certainly not “my team”. It’s not the losing per se, but rather the inability to be relevant (for better or worse), even in Houston (seem to be more cowboys fans)[/quote]

    can i honestly say (before the comments section turns into a “who’s everybodys favorite team” section) that if you’re not passionate about a team at this point, then just watch as a casual fan. root for the best team to get better. or root for the underdog. no biggie, and nobody will hate you for it.

    me, on the other hand… i HATE 31 teams in the nfl and live and die by my team! lol

  • chance michaels | September 15, 2009 at 10:11 am |

    [quote comment=”347888″]That first ticker item about the trip to the MLB offices is highly recommendable. (I’m not going to make a splendid splinter reference).

    http://snaggingbaseb...
    All in all, that’s a pretty sharp looking division. A couple classics, a couple not-too-bads, no outright clunkers in the lot.

  • marc | September 15, 2009 at 10:12 am |

    [quote comment=”347856″]In light of the Texans’ constant suckage, I am recruiting a new team to root for. I have narrowed down the selections to:

    Bears
    Packers
    49ers
    Saints
    Browns
    Colts

    I have eliminated all others for various reasons, unis being a key factor. Please provide pros/cons as to why I should make your team “my team”. Thanks uniwatch![/quote]

    go with the browns… those of us in misery need all the company we can get.

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 10:12 am |

    [quote]That said, the Pats’ and Bills’ uniforms could be tweaked to make them even more awesome. As Phil pointed out, the blue stripe on the Patriots’ helmet would be one.[/quote]

    i did?

    as far as the awesomeness of last night, i enjoyed it very much…but im beginning to not-so-much like the idea of the throwback (these seemed to me more of a harkback) with the modern uni sets

    if you looked at my comp pic (and someone also posted same pic of brady, which was from 2002 thxgiving game)…you’ll note they’ve gone from almost full shoulder loops to truncated crap … the bills didn’t replicate their 64-65 uni properly, and while the chargers looked good (i counted, last night at least 8 differences between the current alt and the throwback), they could have selected another year (maybe oh…1960) to replicate; raiders (as has been mentioned) should also have gone all the way back to their first year

    don’t get me wrong, i’d take the bills and pats back in these full time in a heartbeat, exact replicas or not…but it’s becoming apparent that with the newer uniform cuts and technology, we’ll never see a real, true throwback uni set, and that’s kinda sad

    great stuff though…and a great way to kickoff the season

  • War Damn Eagle | September 15, 2009 at 10:17 am |

    [quote comment=”347886″]You know, if the Raiders used the old “shield” on the field as their yard markers [look at old pix of Raiders games and you’ll see ’em] then it would have been perfect. It was pretty close last night … they even have a fat coach just like Madden … just reminding fans of the days of many multi-purpose stadia …Are the Raiders the only one left in the No Fun League that plays on a baseball infield this time of year?[/quote]

    Dolphins

  • Peter S | September 15, 2009 at 10:17 am |

    RE: Glass cutters in the CFL

    I believe Mike Morreale, formerly of the Tiger Cats, wore them for a while in the late 90\’s early 2000\’s. They were really popular among touch and flag players for awhile when he was here. Before that I have no idea. Those ones were orange and were made specifically for the industry. I know there is a name brand version available in the sporting goods market.

  • Perry | September 15, 2009 at 10:18 am |

    Dwight,
    I’m not sure there’s really any excuse for rooting for anyone other than (1) the team from your original home, or (2) the team from your current home. Likewise, changing teams for any reason is seriously frowned upon in some circles. That said, this issue often comes up in various Premier League and other Euro soccer forums, where Americans with no geographic or family history links to any team are go looking for a team to support. The answer is always: You don’t choose your team, your team chooses you. It has to come from the heart, not the brain.

  • Paul Lukas | September 15, 2009 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment=”347872″]The rear collar memorial patch has been done before: in 2007-08 several of the ACC basketball teams used that location for their black band to memorialize the Virginia Tech shooting victims. UNC was just one of them that I remember of the top of my head. Here’s a link to a gallery showing how they used it:

    http://tarheelblue.c...

    Ah, yes, excellent point — thanks for the reminder!

  • M.Princip | September 15, 2009 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment=”347880″][quote comment=”347866″][quote comment=”347856″]In light of the Texans’ constant suckage, I am recruiting a new team to root for. I have narrowed down the selections to:

    Bears
    Packers
    49ers
    Saints
    Browns
    Colts

    I have eliminated all others for various reasons, unis being a key factor. Please provide pros/cons as to why I should make your team “my team”. Thanks uniwatch![/quote]

    I would seriously suggest one of these three teams for you; Patriots, Cowboys, or, Steelers. You would fit right in with most of their fans.[/quote]

    Dang Mike, we are not all like that. We have feelings you know. Some of us try real hard to move away from the BW stigma..

    (I know it was a backhanded slap at the OP, but it still hurts)

    /toungue-in-cheek[/quote]

    heh heh……nice.

  • MPowers1634 | September 15, 2009 at 10:20 am |

    [quote comment=”347888″]That first ticker item about the trip to the MLB offices is highly recommendable. (I’m not going to make a splendid splinter reference).

    http://snaggingbaseb...

    A fella who was recently renting one of my apartments is an accountant with MLB.

    Funny thing is, he doesnt seem too interested in the actual baseball part of his job.

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 10:20 am |

    [quote comment=”347892″]re: person looking for an official that had a 3 digit number last night.

    I don’t have any screengrabs, but there was a side judge who clearly wore #100 last night. He always came in to mark the spot of the ball.

    As my wife asked me last night why the refs were wearing orange… I immediately wondered how many other Uni Watchers were having that same discussion.[/quote]

    AFL logo was orange and black, wasn’t it?

    —Ricko

  • GoTerriers | September 15, 2009 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=”347886″]You know, if the Raiders used the old “shield” on the field as their yard markers [look at old pix of Raiders games and you’ll see ’em] then it would have been perfect. It was pretty close last night … they even have a fat coach just like Madden … just reminding fans of the days of many multi-purpose stadia …Are the Raiders the only one left in the No Fun League that plays on a baseball infield this time of year?[/quote]

    The Dolphins and Marlins still share Pro-Pla . . .Joe Rob . . .What’s it called now? Land Shark Stadium?

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 10:27 am |

    [quote comment=”347886″]You know, if the Raiders used the old “shield” on the field as their yard markers [look at old pix of Raiders games and you’ll see ’em] then it would have been perfect.[/quote]
    Dang, you beat me to it on the yard numbers!!

    I wanted to also suggest that the NFL force Bellecheck to wear suit and tie.

    Baseball infield: Miami also AFAIK.

  • The Jeff | September 15, 2009 at 10:29 am |

    I’m pretty sure they could do full shoulder stripes if they wanted to. Look at the Panthers.

    I think it’s a deliberate choice they’re making for whatever reason.

    Because I have nothing better to do…

    8 differences between the Chargers throwbacks and current uniform:

    1 – gray facemask
    2 – number font
    3 – tv number placement (shoulders vs sleeves)
    4 – helmet numbers
    5 – no blue behind the pants bolt
    6 – bolts outlined in single color vs 2 colors
    7 – no wordmark on jersey
    8 – black shoes vs white
    9 – bolts on jersey & pants are shaped differently

    Do I win anything? :D

  • marc | September 15, 2009 at 10:29 am |

    [quote comment=”347899″](the) raiders (as has been mentioned) should also have gone all the way back to their first year[/quote]

    Amen, Phil. I’ll definitely take what they gave me last night, but it would have been cool to see year one.

    Many are complaining about the heavy black stroke the Raiders had on their numbers. Graphically speaking, I think if it hadn’t been that strong, the silver numbers may not have been visible to those in the upper deck. The uni is more for the guy in the stands than the guy on his couch… that’s why the numbers on the front and back aren’t the tv numbers.

  • The Ol Goaler | September 15, 2009 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment=”347886″]You know, if the Raiders used the old “shield” on the field as their yard markers [look at old pix of Raiders games and you’ll see ’em] then it would have been perfect. It was pretty close last night … they even have a fat coach just like Madden … just reminding fans of the days of many multi-purpose stadia …Are the Raiders the only one left in the No Fun League that plays on a baseball infield this time of year?[/quote]
    I think Joe Robbie Stadium (or whatever they’re calling it this year) also forces the Dolphins to play on dirt… but since the infield is tucked into a corner of the football configuration, the dirt’s mainly on the sideline, as in this shot from 2002.

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 10:34 am |

    Most white helmets back then had a “cream” cast to them. Always figured it had something to do with sealant used. Figured it yellowed a bit over time, and the only ones on which it really showed were the whites.

    —Ricko

  • bill | September 15, 2009 at 10:34 am |

    [quote comment=”347877″]I agree with the nostalgia value of dirt infields. Got me to thinking:to what extent would they go? One broadcast in B&W with simplified graphics and old commercials? Too much outside the box?[/quote]

    I would not want to give up color but would love simplified graphics and old commercials. I recently enjoyed viewing a couple of games from the 1974 World Series on MLB network. The games were played at a quicker pace and Curt Gowdy was not obliged to promote NBC programming at every opportunity.

  • BroncosRandy | September 15, 2009 at 10:34 am |

    Wait til you get a load of The Denver Broncos uni’s

  • M.Princip | September 15, 2009 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment=”347902″]Dwight,
    I’m not sure there’s really any excuse for rooting for anyone other than (1) the team from your original home, or (2) the team from your current home. Likewise, changing teams for any reason is seriously frowned upon in some circles. That said, this issue often comes up in various Premier League and other Euro soccer forums, where Americans with no geographic or family history links to any team are go looking for a team to support. The answer is always: You don’t choose your team, your team chooses you. It has to come from the heart, not the brain.[/quote]

    So true Perry. Yet, there are those rare stray Cupid strikes, which happened to me, where this 8 year old boy fell in love with his team(2,700 miles away) solely because of their cool helmet , and eccentric/exciting playing style; circa 1977-78. Now, my team has had many changes, yet, I will always be devoted to them(insert anthemic music).

    Don’t know what it is that makes one devoted to their team, yet, I do know it can be magical.

  • Nick | September 15, 2009 at 10:41 am |

    Why do the Saints wear white at home in a dome? Heat obviously isn’t an issue, and the black and gold is such a classic look. I’m disappointed

    ______________________________________________

    I was at this past Sunday’s Saints game, as I have been to every game for the past many years.

    Since Jim Haslett (2000) The Saints have worn White at home about 35-40% of the time, with no real rhyme or reason.

    The Saints put out very little info on why they wear what they wear, and to my knowledge do not put out a uni schedule. They wear White or Black at home, with both Gold or Black pants. You show up at the Superdome nd you never know what they are going to wear until they come out for warmups.

    For the entire time from Bum Phillips’ second year (1982) through Mora and Ditka and Jim Haslett’s first year (2000) they wore Black for EVERY home game. For the Playoff game Haslett’s first year he wanted to wear White at home, and they did and they won the playoff game, so then Haslett wanted to wear White at home. They often wore Black toward the end of the season, and during the Haslett era they would start the season wearing White jerseys then switch to Black jerseys because Haslett was quoted as saying the players lobbied him to wear Black at home.

    I believe that they are going to wear White at home this year, for at least the entire first portion of their schedule – its just a vibe that I have given that it is consistent with what they have done for the past 8-9 years. Plus, they have worn White jerseys for both preseason games and the home opener vs. Detroit.

    More importantly, they have worn GOLD PANTS for EVERY GAME so far this season, including when wearing Black jerseys on the road this preseason. That may, just may mean that they have packed away the HORRIBLE Black unitard pants.

    I truly hope that they have – FOR GOOD !!!!

  • chance michaels | September 15, 2009 at 10:42 am |

    [quote comment=”347919″]Wait til you get a load of The Denver Broncos uni’s[/quote]
    Can’t wait. That’s a gorgeous color scheme, sadly unused in the pros.

  • Michael | September 15, 2009 at 10:43 am |

    [quote comment=”347873″]I only saw the Pats-Bills game and it was seriously the best looking uniform game I’ve seen in some time. The biggest exception was Belichick who looked like a jackass again.

    My other thought…why not some throwback uniforms for the cheerleaders?[/quote]
    Actually.. The Pats Cheerleaders WERE wearing throwback outfits last night.

    Here’s a link to a pic from their Halftime Ceremony for the 50th Season Team.

    http://www.patriots....

    What I find Completely strange about this is having the Old-Timer wearing the NEW uni I would have thought that they would have at least had each player in their period uni. (Thankfully Ben Coates didn’t have to wear the first Flying Elvis Jersey… http://www.patriots....)

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 10:46 am |

    [quote comment=”347915″][quote comment=”347899″](the) raiders (as has been mentioned) should also have gone all the way back to their first year[/quote]

    Amen, Phil. I’ll definitely take what they gave me last night, but it would have been cool to see year one.

    Many are complaining about the heavy black stroke the Raiders had on their numbers. Graphically speaking, I think if it hadn’t been that strong, the silver numbers may not have been visible to those in the upper deck. The uni is more for the guy in the stands than the guy on his couch… that’s why the numbers on the front and back aren’t the tv numbers.[/quote]

    Back at the start of ’63, Raider borders WERE that thick (see photos posted late last night) for exactly the reason you say. And they didn’t stay with the silver numbers, either, switching the fronts and backs to black during the season, largely because of readability issues on b&w TV.

    Shouldn’t this be more about the accuracy of the recreations than about criticizing or redesigning 50-year old uniforms? I mean, that’s a real fool’s errand, isn’t it?

    For example. both the Oilers (Hall of Fame Game) and Patriots socks stripes aren’t nearly as wide as the originals. Minor detail, and not making a big deal out of it, just saying I noticed.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 10:48 am |

    [quote comment=”347921″]Why do the Saints wear white at home in a dome? Heat obviously isn’t an issue, and the black and gold is such a classic look. I’m disappointed

    ______________________________________________

    I was at this past Sunday’s Saints game, as I have been to every game for the past many years.

    Since Jim Haslett (2000) The Saints have worn White at home about 35-40% of the time, with no real rhyme or reason.

    The Saints put out very little info on why they wear what they wear, and to my knowledge do not put out a uni schedule. They wear White or Black at home, with both Gold or Black pants. You show up at the Superdome nd you never know what they are going to wear until they come out for warmups.

    For the entire time from Bum Phillips’ second year (1982) through Mora and Ditka and Jim Haslett’s first year (2000) they wore Black for EVERY home game. For the Playoff game Haslett’s first year he wanted to wear White at home, and they did and they won the playoff game, so then Haslett wanted to wear White at home. They often wore Black toward the end of the season, and during the Haslett era they would start the season wearing White jerseys then switch to Black jerseys because Haslett was quoted as saying the players lobbied him to wear Black at home.

    I believe that they are going to wear White at home this year, for at least the entire first portion of their schedule – its just a vibe that I have given that it is consistent with what they have done for the past 8-9 years. Plus, they have worn White jerseys for both preseason games and the home opener vs. Detroit.

    More importantly, they have worn GOLD PANTS for EVERY GAME so far this season, including when wearing Black jerseys on the road this preseason. That may, just may mean that they have packed away the HORRIBLE Black unitard pants.

    I truly hope that they have – FOR GOOD !!!![/quote]

    As far back as their initial season, the Saints wore white at home.

  • The Jeff | September 15, 2009 at 10:49 am |

    [quote comment=”347923″]
    Actually.. The Pats Cheerleaders WERE wearing throwback outfits last night.

    Here’s a link to a pic from their Halftime Ceremony for the 50th Season Team.

    http://www.patriots....
    [/quote]

    I don’t know what the Patriot girls normally wear, but those things have the flying elvis on them, so they’re “throwback inspired” at best.

  • khinstorff23 | September 15, 2009 at 10:50 am |

    does anyone know of a website that i can use to look up which brand is sponsoring what schools?

  • khinstorff23 | September 15, 2009 at 10:52 am |

    specifically for college basketball

  • JTH | September 15, 2009 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”347920″][quote comment=”347902″]Dwight,
    I’m not sure there’s really any excuse for rooting for anyone other than (1) the team from your original home, or (2) the team from your current home. Likewise, changing teams for any reason is seriously frowned upon in some circles. That said, this issue often comes up in various Premier League and other Euro soccer forums, where Americans with no geographic or family history links to any team are go looking for a team to support. The answer is always: You don’t choose your team, your team chooses you. It has to come from the heart, not the brain.[/quote]

    So true Perry. Yet, there are those rare stray Cupid strikes, which happened to me, where this 8 year old boy fell in love with his team(2,700 miles away) solely because of their cool helmet , and eccentric/exciting playing style; circa 1977-78. Now, my team has had many changes, yet, I will always be devoted to them(insert anthemic music).

    Don’t know what it is that makes one devoted to their team, yet, I do know it can be magical. [/quote]
    Seriously, if you need a team to follow this year, the Bears might be a solid choice. You know, in a “horrible car crash on the expressway that you can’t help but rubberneck” type of way. Things could get very ugly and very intersting.

    Unless, of course, they break out this shit again, in which case, you should drop them like a 497-degree spud.

  • Mark in Shiga | September 15, 2009 at 10:54 am |

    [quote comment=”347902″]Dwight,
    I’m not sure there’s really any excuse for rooting for anyone other than (1) the team from your original home, or (2) the team from your current home.

    The answer is always: You don’t choose your team, your team chooses you. It has to come from the heart, not the brain.[/quote]

    I think the latter part of your philosophy doesn’t match with the first part.

    As a kid I was chosen to be a fan of the Cubs despite being surrounded by Mets fans (their ’86 arrogance probably had something to do with it). In basketball, on the other hand, I support the Knicks and Jets.

    Sometimes the home team pulls you in, sometimes not.

  • dwight | September 15, 2009 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment=”347902″]Dwight,
    I’m not sure there’s really any excuse for rooting for anyone other than (1) the team from your original home, or (2) the team from your current home. [quote]

    Boredome? Just need something to pay attention to on Sunday.

  • Giancarlo | September 15, 2009 at 10:56 am |

    [quote comment=”347899″]
    don’t get me wrong, i’d take the bills and pats back in these full time in a heartbeat, exact replicas or not…but it’s becoming apparent that with the newer uniform cuts and technology, we’ll never see a real, true throwback uni set, and that’s kinda sad
    [/quote]
    Why can’t we develop even newer technology that would let us construct a true throwback? I mean, if we can reconstruct a dinosaur with bits of DNA…

    Oakland-San Diego was the most gorgeous NFL game I’ve seen in YEARS. To say that the Chargers current uni improves upon what they wore last night is a truly bourbon-soaked opinion.

  • Paulie K | September 15, 2009 at 11:00 am |

    My one critique from last night’s game, what about the End Zones? The Patriots had the current logo. Would have been a great place to express some fun colorful designs. And last Thursday, Pittsburgh had text in one end zone and diagonal striping in the other. What gives?

  • Michael | September 15, 2009 at 11:04 am |

    [quote comment=”347926″][quote comment=”347923″]
    Actually.. The Pats Cheerleaders WERE wearing throwback outfits last night.

    Here’s a link to a pic from their Halftime Ceremony for the 50th Season Team.

    http://www.patriots....
    [/quote]

    I don’t know what the Patriot girls normally wear, but those things have the flying elvis on them, so they’re “throwback inspired” at best.[/quote]

    Agreed … Good Point. As for what they usually wear… http://www.patriots....

  • dwight | September 15, 2009 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”347933″]My one critique from last night’s game, what about the End Zones? The Patriots had the current logo. Would have been a great place to express some fun colorful designs. And last Thursday, Pittsburgh had text in one end zone and diagonal striping in the other. What gives?[/quote]

    what about coaches? shouldn’t they have worn suits or button up sweaters?

  • Jonathan Sluss | September 15, 2009 at 11:06 am |

    Dan Patrick’s poll of the day: what throwback should stay permanently?:

    http://sportsillustr...

    What Redskins throwback are we talking about?, the yellow helmet Lombardi era or the spearhead?

    Currently the Chargers not all that different uni is winning.

  • Al Gruwell | September 15, 2009 at 11:11 am |

    Marion (Iowa) High School and Vinton-Shellsburg High School are having a breast cancer awareness
    football game Friday night. Fans can buy pink t-shirts and both teams will wear pink socks.
    Marion’s colors are red and yellow, so that should look ewww, and V-S’s are black and gold (not better).

  • Nicholas | September 15, 2009 at 11:16 am |

    I may be the only one in the world, and I, as a Mainer, am a Patriots fan, but I think the Patriots’ current unis are much nicer than those throwbacks. Pat Patriot is fun nostalgia, but seems to me inappropriately cartoonish on a football helmet…I much prefer the sleek momentum of flying elvis. The red, too, just didn’t look good (maybe it was the fabric like Paul mentioned, maybe it just seemed to bright…). I know it’s borderline sacrilege on this site to say anything bad about throwbacks (esp. with sock stripes), but I want to go on record as saying that I’ll take the Pats’ current set.

  • leon | September 15, 2009 at 11:18 am |

    Dwight, Dwight, Dwight

    Here are a couple of ways you could go:
    You say there “seem to be more Cowboy fans”, so pick another NFC East team to adopt as your own just to piss them off. (I wish I could recommend the Skins here, but I’m afraid you will meet with much disillusionment until they get new ownership).

    Or; hold on for a year and become a charter fan of the LA Jaguars.

    But what you really should do if you’re just looking for something to do on Sundays: take up golf.

  • Giancarlo | September 15, 2009 at 11:18 am |

    [quote comment=”347936″]Dan Patrick’s poll of the day: what throwback should stay permanently?
    [/quote]
    There should be an all-of-the-above option.

  • JimV19 | September 15, 2009 at 11:18 am |

    [quote comment=”347933″]My one critique from last night’s game, what about the End Zones? The Patriots had the current logo. Would have been a great place to express some fun colorful designs. And last Thursday, Pittsburgh had text in one end zone and diagonal striping in the other. What gives?[/quote]

    They’ve been doing that for years. They share the field with the Pitt Panthers, so while both seasons are going on they have the stripes in one endzone. As soon as the Panthers have played their last home game they take away the stripes and put “Steelers” in the endzone.

    Personally, I’d love to see the stripes AND the name Pittsburgh in both endzones, then at midfield they could put the Steelers and Panthers helmets the way the Chiefs used to do at their old stadium. Don’t suppose you could whip that up, could you Phil?

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 11:22 am |

    [quote]Don’t suppose you could whip that up, could you Phil?[/quote]

    what’s that now? you want panthers & stillers helmets at midfield?

    shoot me an email…im very slow today

  • JTH | September 15, 2009 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment=”347938″]I may be the only one in the world, and I, as a Mainer, am a Patriots fan, but I think the Patriots’ current unis are much nicer than those throwbacks. Pat Patriot is fun nostalgia, but seems to me inappropriately cartoonish on a football helmet…I much prefer the sleek momentum of flying elvis. The red, too, just didn’t look good (maybe it was the fabric like Paul mentioned, maybe it just seemed to bright…). I know it’s borderline sacrilege on this site to say anything bad about throwbacks (esp. with sock stripes), but I want to go on record as saying that I’ll take the Pats’ current set.[/quote]
    I’m not going to argue with you, but you don’t think this is cartoonish?

    Which unis would you prefer if they wore the throwbacks, but they put Flying Elvis on the helmets instead of Pat Patriot?

    Personally, I always hated Pat Patriot, but I’ll take him over Flying Elvis any day.

  • JimV19 | September 15, 2009 at 11:25 am |

    [quote comment=”347926″][quote comment=”347923″]
    Actually.. The Pats Cheerleaders WERE wearing throwback outfits last night.

    Here’s a link to a pic from their Halftime Ceremony for the 50th Season Team.

    http://www.patriots....
    [/quote]

    I don’t know what the Patriot girls normally wear, but those things have the flying elvis on them, so they’re “throwback inspired” at best.[/quote]

    Since you asked, this is what they normally wear: http://www.fotbalame...
    Sometimes, newer is better. Not in this case, but with the Chiefs, definitely. http://i.a.cnn.net/s...

  • Perry | September 15, 2009 at 11:28 am |

    [quote comment=”347930″][quote comment=”347902″]Dwight,
    I’m not sure there’s really any excuse for rooting for anyone other than (1) the team from your original home, or (2) the team from your current home.

    The answer is always: You don’t choose your team, your team chooses you. It has to come from the heart, not the brain.[/quote]

    I think the latter part of your philosophy doesn’t match with the first part.

    As a kid I was chosen to be a fan of the Cubs despite being surrounded by Mets fans (their ’86 arrogance probably had something to do with it). In basketball, on the other hand, I support the Knicks and Jets.

    Sometimes the home team pulls you in, sometimes not.[/quote]

    The second part only applies, as I implied, when you have no natural geographic or other ties (as in the case of an American looking for a Premier League team). Otherwise, you really should go with the home team, although I know there are plenty of people like you who don’t, for whatever reason. I think it’s easier to do something like that now than when I was a kid in the 60s, when there was no internet or cable/satellite and before people moved around as much as they do now. You rooted for your home team because 1, they were who you saw and read about 90% of the time, and two, all your friends and family rooted for them. Nowadays you can follow any team no matter where you live, and lots of people live in cities other than where they’re from.

  • WSCopic | September 15, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”347934″][quote comment=”347926″][quote comment=”347923″]
    Actually.. The Pats Cheerleaders WERE wearing throwback outfits last night.

    Here’s a link to a pic from their Halftime Ceremony for the 50th Season Team.

    http://www.patriots....
    [/quote]

    I don’t know what the Patriot girls normally wear, but those things have the flying elvis on them, so they’re “throwback inspired” at best.[/quote]

    Agreed … Good Point.

    As for what they usually wear… http://www.patriots....

    All I know is that what the Patriot Gals had on last night reminded me of this…

    http://www.trojanwir...

    …which is a very, very good thing.

    :D

  • dwight | September 15, 2009 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”347939″]Dwight, Dwight, Dwight

    Here are a couple of ways you could go:
    You say there “seem to be more Cowboy fans”, so pick another NFC East team to adopt as your own just to piss them off. (I wish I could recommend the Skins here, but I’m afraid you will meet with much disillusionment until they get new ownership).

    Or; hold on for a year and become a charter fan of the LA Jaguars.

    But what you really should do if you’re just looking for something to do on Sundays: take up golf.[/quote]

    Now THAT’S the kind of smarmy (yet insightful) answer I expect from my fellow UWers!!!!! Unfortunately I’ve already eliminated all NFC East teams for various reasons.

  • ronnie poore | September 15, 2009 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”347922″][quote comment=”347919″]Wait til you get a load of The Denver Broncos uni’s[/quote]
    Can’t wait. That’s a gorgeous color scheme, sadly unused in the pros.[/quote]

    brown and yellow?!?!?!

    you must think that they are going with one of their previous orange unis. ixnay! they are going back to the beginning, complete with vertical striped sox:

    http://www.indenvert...

    http://www.logoshak....

  • ronnie poore | September 15, 2009 at 11:33 am |

    [quote comment=”347922″][quote comment=”347919″]Wait til you get a load of The Denver Broncos uni’s[/quote]
    Can’t wait. That’s a gorgeous color scheme, sadly unused in the pros.[/quote]

    brown and yellow?!?!?!

    oh, well-to each his own:

    http://www.indenvert...

    http://www.logoshak....

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 11:34 am |

    [quote comment=”347948″][quote comment=”347922″][quote comment=”347919″]Wait til you get a load of The Denver Broncos uni’s[/quote]
    Can’t wait. That’s a gorgeous color scheme, sadly unused in the pros.[/quote]

    brown and yellow?!?!?!

    you must think that they are going with one of their previous orange unis. ixnay! they are going back to the beginning, complete with vertical striped sox:

    http://www.indenvert...

    http://www.logoshak....

    no…im pretty sure chance is aware of the uni

  • mike | September 15, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    I have been lucky enough to go to both the NFL HQ and the MLB HQ (they are almost exactly across the street from each other)for work. The MLB offices really took great care to embrace the sport, even the cubiles were made with the pine to look like bats. The NFL HQ was much darker, a lot more leather…..not as impressive.

  • dwight | September 15, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    BTW – Tim Brando mentioned today on his radio show he watched the majority of both games last night b/c of the throwbacks.

  • Brad | September 15, 2009 at 11:41 am |

    I want to apologize for yesterday. It’s simply that I am a Poli-sci major and I have to listen to partisan bickering all day, and I use this site as an escape. I didn’t mean to tell you how to run your site Paul, I just don’t want to see one of my favorite sports-related webpages turn into another political debate site.

  • RedWing in Colorado | September 15, 2009 at 11:44 am |

    I too add to the acolades doled out for the unis last night. I’m not in love with any of them, but I was instantly engaged by the colors. The brightness is something that is sorely missing in all sports, but especially in the NFL. All the somber tones and “tough” black in designs make it boring IMHO.

    Even though the Raiders were playing, the Chargers Blue across the way and the officials in orange, made for a color soaked spectacle.

    I don’t need the teams to go back to these looks, but maybe update their looks with “older” colors

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 11:46 am |

    [quote comment=”347951″] The MLB offices really took great care to embrace the sport, even the cubiles were made with the pine to look like bats. [/quote]
    Ash?

    Hickory?

    And there had to be some leather in the MLB building, correct? (Except around the area dedicated to the White Sox.)

  • JimV19 | September 15, 2009 at 11:46 am |

    [quote comment=”347902″]Dwight,
    I’m not sure there’s really any excuse for rooting for anyone other than (1) the team from your original home, or (2) the team from your current home. Likewise, changing teams for any reason is seriously frowned upon in some circles. That said, this issue often comes up in various Premier League and other Euro soccer forums, where Americans with no geographic or family history links to any team are go looking for a team to support. The answer is always: You don’t choose your team, your team chooses you. It has to come from the heart, not the brain.[/quote]

    I gotta disagree on this one. I never subscribed to the fact that you have to root for the team where you grew up or where you live. This is a free country, after all. That may be where you reside, but where you feel “at home” is where you should claim your allegiance. If there is a place you love to visit, or a place where a friend or loved one lives, then those are valid reasons in my book.

    Another reason to pick any old team should resonate with this group more than anywhere else: If you don’t have any other reasons, pick your favorite uniforms. I did that with the Oilers back when they had blue helmets. I’ve liked the Giants ever since I saw old photos of them in their 50s unis. That’s why I like Florida Atlantic University now – I know very little about them, other than their awesome unis.

    Heck, you can pick a team for any reason – favorite player, coach (that’s why I love Penn State, ’cause of JoePa), you name it. Have fun with your search, Dwight, and may you find the team that fits you.

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 11:48 am |

    [quote comment=”347954″]I too add to the acolades doled out for the unis last night. I’m not in love with any of them, but I was instantly engaged by the colors. The brightness is something that is sorely missing in all sports, but especially in the NFL. All the somber tones and “tough” black in designs make it boring IMHO.

    Even though the Raiders were playing, the Chargers Blue across the way and the officials in orange, made for a color soaked spectacle.

    I don’t need the teams to go back to these looks, but maybe update their looks with “older” colors[/quote]
    I can live with the old helmet logos, etc.

    I don’t mind a few updates to the jersey stripes, etc. but IMHO yesterday’s look for both the Pats and Bills was superior to what they wear on a “normal” day.

  • chance michaels | September 15, 2009 at 11:48 am |

    [quote comment=”347950″][quote comment=”347948″][quote comment=”347922″][quote comment=”347919″]Wait til you get a load of The Denver Broncos uni’s[/quote]
    Can’t wait. That’s a gorgeous color scheme, sadly unused in the pros.[/quote]

    brown and yellow?!?!?!

    you must think that they are going with one of their previous orange unis. ixnay! they are going back to the beginning, complete with vertical striped sox:

    http://www.indenvert...

    http://www.logoshak....

    no…im pretty sure chance is aware of the uni[/quote]

    I’m perfectly aware of which uni they’re wearing.

    The original San Diego Padres uniforms were the best.

    Brown is a great color, rich and deep, and yellow is the perfect bright contrast. It’s also great with white – the name is wrong, but everything else is perfect.

  • latrell | September 15, 2009 at 11:50 am |

    Apparently, this guy had an issue with those AFL ref uniforms from last night:

    http://fansided.com/...

    I thought they were pretty sweet.

  • Bernard | September 15, 2009 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”347920″][quote comment=”347902″]Dwight,
    I’m not sure there’s really any excuse for rooting for anyone other than (1) the team from your original home, or (2) the team from your current home. Likewise, changing teams for any reason is seriously frowned upon in some circles. That said, this issue often comes up in various Premier League and other Euro soccer forums, where Americans with no geographic or family history links to any team are go looking for a team to support. The answer is always: You don’t choose your team, your team chooses you. It has to come from the heart, not the brain.[/quote]

    So true Perry. Yet, there are those rare stray Cupid strikes, which happened to me, where this 8 year old boy fell in love with his team(2,700 miles away) solely because of their cool helmet , and eccentric/exciting playing style; circa 1977-78. Now, my team has had many changes, yet, I will always be devoted to them(insert anthemic music).

    Don’t know what it is that makes one devoted to their team, yet, I do know it can be magical. [/quote]

    I’m always interested to learn why people believe the Steelers have a lot of bandwagon fans. Now I think I see where you’re coming from. I imagine, in your case, it has something to do with all the Black and Gold in this picture:

    http://static.panora...

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 11:51 am |

    [quote comment=”347946″]
    All I know is that what the Patriot Gals had on last night reminded me of this…

    http://www.trojanwir...

    …which is a very, very good thing.

    :D[/quote]

    There’s at least a couple of very, very good thing(s) in that picture. :-)

    No screen grabs from the Mich/USC Rose Bowl a few years ago?

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”347949″][quote comment=”347922″][quote comment=”347919″]Wait til you get a load of The Denver Broncos uni’s[/quote]
    Can’t wait. That’s a gorgeous color scheme, sadly unused in the pros.[/quote]

    brown and yellow?!?!?!

    oh, well-to each his own:

    http://www.indenvert...

    http://www.logoshak....

    1. I say again, a great deal of the appeal of some of these throwbacks IS how ghastly they were. “Oh, Lord, look what they USED to wear!!!” is part of the fun. At least it is if you get the whole concept. History is about accuracy, warts and all. Not about revising the past.

    2. Really tired of the stories that tell about how shoestring the early AFL was. Yeah, so? And Apple Computers began in someone’s garage. Yet in that case it stands for something good about the company and its growth. With AFL, though Instead of “look how far they came,” it’s always, “look how shitty they were in the beginning,” as if it’s either a) big news or b) a negative.

    It’s that front-runner mentality so rampant in sports and, frankly, among writers. That’s why I loved the Jets’ win in SBIII. On paper means nothing. That’s why they actually play the games.

    (btw, a loudmouth at work back then said, “The Jets are 100-1.” I said, “I’ll take $10 dollars of that. Even up. Screw the points.” I let him off the hook afterward, but he was a thousand dollars less full of himself, that’s for sure.

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”347944″]… but with the Chiefs, definitely. http://i.a.cnn.net/s...

    Annie!

  • JimV19 | September 15, 2009 at 11:56 am |

    Great bookends on the ticker today – the MLB offices and the baseball radio looked fantastic, and I love those helmet hats. I had one, but that foam tended to disintegrate over time. I’m thinking of DIYing one when I find a good hat.

  • Jeff P | September 15, 2009 at 11:58 am |

    Hmm. How about the Panthers? While I don’t like the black either, the whites and blues are things of beauty, and they’re the only NFL team that has full shoulder loops rather then the truncated crap, at least for most players.

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”347959″]Apparently, this guy had an issue with those AFL ref uniforms from last night:

    http://fansided.com/...

    I thought they were pretty sweet.[/quote]

    Yeah, that’s it, they wore those officials unis for their fashion appeal and to get that numbnuts “columnist’s” opinion of the way the AFL looked during the Eisenhower administration. (See point #1, post #106)

    “I dunno, General Custer really should lose the mullet look, I think.”

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 12:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”347966″]
    “I dunno, General Custer really should lose the mullet look, I think.”[/quote]
    “Abe, c’mon with the facial hair; you’ll never get elected with that beard!”

  • Paul Lukas | September 15, 2009 at 12:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”347966″][quote comment=”347959″]Apparently, this guy had an issue with those AFL ref uniforms from last night:

    http://fansided.com/...

    I thought they were pretty sweet.[/quote]

    Yeah, that’s it, they wore those officials unis for their fashion appeal and to get that numbnuts “columnist’s” opinion of the way the AFL looked during the Eisenhower administration. (See point #1, post #106)

    “I dunno, General Custer really should lose the mullet look, I think.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yeah, but come on, his Whattaburger comparison is pretty funny!

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 12:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”347965″]Hmm. How about the Panthers? While I don’t like the black either, the whites and blues are things of beauty, and they’re the only NFL team that has full shoulder loops rather then the truncated crap, at least for most players.[/quote]

    sadly, jeff…most of them have the truncated loops…although the qb and a certain high profile wide receiver do have them…

    check back this weekend for my take on them

    and i totally agree–those panther whites are a thing of beauty!

  • Ray D. | September 15, 2009 at 12:12 pm |

    Regarding the warning labels on/not on helmets, I would imagine that they opted for cream color lettering with a clear background vs. total removal. Teams I guess have the money to remove them and purchase replacement helmets, but removing that decal voids the warranty and *may* (I\’ll look into this more) strip Riddell of any responsibility in case of injury. So, I\’d imagine that those decals were there, but I may be wrong.

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”347968″][quote comment=”347966″][quote comment=”347959″]Apparently, this guy had an issue with those AFL ref uniforms from last night:

    http://fansided.com/...

    I thought they were pretty sweet.[/quote]

    Yeah, that’s it, they wore those officials unis for their fashion appeal and to get that numbnuts “columnist’s” opinion of the way the AFL looked during the Eisenhower administration. (See point #1, post #106)

    “I dunno, General Custer really should lose the mullet look, I think.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yeah, but come on, his Whattaburger comparison is pretty funny![/quote]

    I suppose. But if someone watching a production of Shakespeare’s “Julius Caesar” concluded, “This is so stupid, they’re all dressed like the toga party in ANIMAL HOUSE.” I’d question the insightfulness and relevance of that comparison, too. Know what I mean?

    —Ricko

  • JTH | September 15, 2009 at 12:16 pm |

    OK, so my Lambeau mini-review…

    First off, the pregame atmosphere is by far the best I’ve experienced in the NFL (not that I’ve been to all that many road games).

    The place is every bit as aesthetically pleasing as advertised. Even the men’s room I used was fairly pleasant.

    The Black Hawk flyover was very cool. Added bonus — The pilots walked right by us when we were hanging out on the concourse at halftime. Question: is Lambeau the last remaining big league stadium/arena that allows smoking pretty much anywhere on the concourse?

    The only real disappointment was that the fans (at least near me) weren’t really into singing “Beer Barrel Polka” and I really wish they would play the Packers’ actual fight song (rather than Todd Rundgren) after a score.

    I mentioned this to the guy sitting next to me and he said the Bears do that because they’re stuck in the past and the Pack are taking things into the 21st century. I told him he needs to check the copyright date on “Bang on the Drum All Day.”

    So yeah, the fans? TOO NICE! I was expecting some brutal treatment. I mean, I even caught hell when I went to see the Bears play in Jacksonville in 1995.

    People seemed to go out of their way to make us feel welcome all weekend even while they were talking shit. (OK, one exception — but he really doesn’t deserve mention).

    I guess there’s only so much anger to go around up there and lots of people had something else to be angry about.

    Unfortunately, I didn’t have my camera with me when I saw 15 or 20 Bears fans setting up their tailgate festivities. I’m not sure how many of them there were because I lost count at 15. I think it was a similar effect to the way the stripes of the zebra herd serve to confuse predators because all of these guys were wearing matching Zubaz pants. I repeat. They were ALL WEARING MATCHING ZUBAZ PANTS.

    It’s little consolation, but at least I got this photo.

    Here are some more: a couple shots of us with the stadium in the background. No, we weren’t all together.

    Nothing spectacular, but I’ve got a full album of pics here.

  • JohnnyO | September 15, 2009 at 12:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”347878″][quote comment=”347871″][quote comment=”347869″][quote comment=”347866″][quote comment=”347856″]In light of the Texans’ constant suckage, I am recruiting a new team to root for. I have narrowed down the selections to:

    Bears
    Packers
    49ers
    Saints
    Browns
    Colts

    I have eliminated all others for various reasons, unis being a key factor. Please provide pros/cons as to why I should make your team “my team”. Thanks uniwatch![/quote]

    I would seriously suggest one of these three teams for you; Patriots, Cowboys, or, Steelers. You would fit right in with most of their fans.[/quote]

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Not to laugh at you dwight, but that was comedy. I would have to encourage rooting for the horseshoes[/quote]

    That’s why I left the Browns, Saints, and Niners – and eliminated the Pats and Steelers, greatness is NOT a pre-requisite[/quote]

    If greatness is not a pre-requisite, as you say, why then are you forsaking your Texans. They’re not great, but you are giving up on them for their ‘constant suckage’. Why give up one loser for another?

    On another note, go with GB. Best fans, best ownership (ourselves), great uniforms, great history, awesome stadium. Can’t go wrong. Until you try and get season tickets. I’m number 56,000-some.

    -Greenie[/quote]

    The Green Bay Packers, founded in nineteen hundred and nineteen, is one of the most storied franchises in football history. The Pack can even trace their lineage to other semi-professional teams in Green Bay dating back to 1896. Curly Lambeau and George Calhoun started the Packers with funds given to them by their employer the Indian Meat Packing Co. The donation of $500 was given for uniforms and equipment. The Packers started with the colors Navy and Gold as an homage to Lambeau’s college, Notre Dame. Vince Lombardi changed the colors to green gold when he took over the helm in late 1959.

    The Green Bay Packers have won 12 championships including three Super Bowls. They have also not changed their uniforms drastically since the Lombardi era.

    The Packers are now the only publicly owned company with a board of directors in American professional sports. It doesn’t get any better than to have a team where the fans are the owners.

    In conclusion, the Packers have arguably the best fans in the world. Wisconsin people are so friendly, and being at historic Lambeau Field on game day is not surpassed by anything. Greenie has me beat on the season ticket list. I fall somewhere around 66,000. The current time frame for season tickets is a shade over 30 years. When looking for a team to cheer for, and be a part of, please consider one of the greatest franchises in sports history. Come join the Cheeseheads of the Frozen Tundra.

  • JohnnyO | September 15, 2009 at 12:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”347973″][quote comment=”347878″][quote comment=”347871″][quote comment=”347869″][quote comment=”347866″][quote comment=”347856″]In light of the Texans’ constant suckage, I am recruiting a new team to root for. I have narrowed down the selections to:

    Bears
    Packers
    49ers
    Saints
    Browns
    Colts

    I have eliminated all others for various reasons, unis being a key factor. Please provide pros/cons as to why I should make your team “my team”. Thanks uniwatch![/quote]

    I would seriously suggest one of these three teams for you; Patriots, Cowboys, or, Steelers. You would fit right in with most of their fans.[/quote]

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Not to laugh at you dwight, but that was comedy. I would have to encourage rooting for the horseshoes[/quote]

    That’s why I left the Browns, Saints, and Niners – and eliminated the Pats and Steelers, greatness is NOT a pre-requisite[/quote]

    If greatness is not a pre-requisite, as you say, why then are you forsaking your Texans. They’re not great, but you are giving up on them for their ‘constant suckage’. Why give up one loser for another?

    On another note, go with GB. Best fans, best ownership (ourselves), great uniforms, great history, awesome stadium. Can’t go wrong. Until you try and get season tickets. I’m number 56,000-some.

    -Greenie[/quote]

    The Green Bay Packers, founded in nineteen hundred and nineteen, is one of the most storied franchises in football history. The Pack can even trace their lineage to other semi-professional teams in Green Bay dating back to 1896. Curly Lambeau and George Calhoun started the Packers with funds given to them by their employer the Indian Meat Packing Co. The donation of $500 was given for uniforms and equipment. The Packers started with the colors Navy and Gold as an homage to Lambeau’s college, Notre Dame. Vince Lombardi changed the colors to green gold when he took over the helm in late 1959.

    The Green Bay Packers have won 12 championships including three Super Bowls. They have also not changed their uniforms drastically since the Lombardi era.

    The Packers are now the only publicly owned company with a board of directors in American professional sports. It doesn’t get any better than to have a team where the fans are the owners.

    In conclusion, the Packers have arguably the best fans in the world. Wisconsin people are so friendly, and being at historic Lambeau Field on game day is not surpassed by anything. Greenie has me beat on the season ticket list. I fall somewhere around 66,000. The current time frame for season tickets is a shade over 30 years. When looking for a team to cheer for, and be a part of, please consider one of the greatest franchises in sports history. Come join the Cheeseheads of the Frozen Tundra.[/quote]

    One small clarification… the Packers did introduce green in the uniforms before Lombardi, but was not permanently a color until his reign on the Pack.

  • Maks | September 15, 2009 at 12:22 pm |

    oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Bernard | September 15, 2009 at 12:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”347967″][quote comment=”347966″]
    “I dunno, General Custer really should lose the mullet look, I think.”[/quote]
    “Abe, c’mon with the facial hair; you’ll never get elected with that beard!”[/quote]

    That would truly be revisionist history! The real story is actually the opposite:

    http://en.wikipedia....

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 12:27 pm |

    Bad grass at that U2 concert in Soldier Field man….

    http://www.chicagobr...

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 12:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”347976″]
    That would truly be revisionist history! The real story is actually the opposite:

    http://en.wikipedia....

    Very, very early in his career Bob Newhart did a bit on how a speechwriter would have punched up the Gettysburg Address: my comment was a bit of a takeoff on that theme.

  • Maks | September 15, 2009 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”347892″]re: person looking for an official that had a 3 digit number last night.

    I don’t have any screengrabs, but there was a side judge who clearly wore #100 last night. He always came in to mark the spot of the ball.

    As my wife asked me last night why the refs were wearing orange… I immediately wondered how many other Uni Watchers were having that same discussion.[/quote]

    probably too many. 2 of my friends were asking me about Orange uniforms. was proud to share my insight. not often i have people who is interested in the slightest little detail.

  • chance michaels | September 15, 2009 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”347975″]oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g...
    Personally, I’ve always liked the name “Potomacs” should they lose the trademark on “Redskins.” Would allow them to keep their identity, plus there’s the local connection. And “Macs” would make for mighty fine headline fodder.

    The tribe is extant, but perhaps a deal could be worked out a la the Seminoles and FSU.

  • Hott Rodd | September 15, 2009 at 12:34 pm |

    Question for the DIYers and Color Purists, I have a DIY project in mind, but the closest color paint I can find to my two blue choices (Navy or Royal) is a Cobalt Blue. Is this an acceptable substitution?

  • chance michaels | September 15, 2009 at 12:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”347974″][quote comment=”347973″][quote comment=”347878″][quote comment=”347871″][quote comment=”347869″][quote comment=”347866″][quote comment=”347856″]In light of the Texans’ constant suckage, I am recruiting a new team to root for. I have narrowed down the selections to:

    Bears
    Packers
    49ers
    Saints
    Browns
    Colts

    I have eliminated all others for various reasons, unis being a key factor. Please provide pros/cons as to why I should make your team “my team”. Thanks uniwatch![/quote]

    I would seriously suggest one of these three teams for you; Patriots, Cowboys, or, Steelers. You would fit right in with most of their fans.[/quote]

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Not to laugh at you dwight, but that was comedy. I would have to encourage rooting for the horseshoes[/quote]

    That’s why I left the Browns, Saints, and Niners – and eliminated the Pats and Steelers, greatness is NOT a pre-requisite[/quote]

    If greatness is not a pre-requisite, as you say, why then are you forsaking your Texans. They’re not great, but you are giving up on them for their ‘constant suckage’. Why give up one loser for another?

    On another note, go with GB. Best fans, best ownership (ourselves), great uniforms, great history, awesome stadium. Can’t go wrong. Until you try and get season tickets. I’m number 56,000-some.

    -Greenie[/quote]

    The Green Bay Packers, founded in nineteen hundred and nineteen, is one of the most storied franchises in football history. The Pack can even trace their lineage to other semi-professional teams in Green Bay dating back to 1896. Curly Lambeau and George Calhoun started the Packers with funds given to them by their employer the Indian Meat Packing Co. The donation of $500 was given for uniforms and equipment. The Packers started with the colors Navy and Gold as an homage to Lambeau’s college, Notre Dame. Vince Lombardi changed the colors to green gold when he took over the helm in late 1959.

    The Green Bay Packers have won 12 championships including three Super Bowls. They have also not changed their uniforms drastically since the Lombardi era.

    The Packers are now the only publicly owned company with a board of directors in American professional sports. It doesn’t get any better than to have a team where the fans are the owners.

    In conclusion, the Packers have arguably the best fans in the world. Wisconsin people are so friendly, and being at historic Lambeau Field on game day is not surpassed by anything. Greenie has me beat on the season ticket list. I fall somewhere around 66,000. The current time frame for season tickets is a shade over 30 years. When looking for a team to cheer for, and be a part of, please consider one of the greatest franchises in sports history. Come join the Cheeseheads of the Frozen Tundra.[/quote]

    One small clarification… the Packers did introduce green in the uniforms before Lombardi, but was not permanently a color until his reign on the Pack.[/quote]

    True enough, although I’m pretty sure all previous shades were kelly green or even blue-green.

    Hunter green appears to be Vince’s innovation and his alone.

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 12:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”347973″]
    The Packers are now the only publicly owned company with a board of directors in American professional sports.[/quote]
    Didn’t the Celtics have a stock sale a few years back?

    AFAIK, the major difference for the Pack is that they’re legally set up as a not-for-profit, with that American Legion post scheduled to get any residual value.

  • Bernard | September 15, 2009 at 12:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”347978″][quote comment=”347976″]
    That would truly be revisionist history! The real story is actually the opposite:

    http://en.wikipedia....

    Very, very early in his career Bob Newhart did a bit on how a speechwriter would have punched up the Gettysburg Address: my comment was a bit of a takeoff on that theme.[/quote]

    Oh yes, I figured you were kidding. :) I just wanted to take the opportunity to share the story, which I never would’ve known myself were it not for the fact my girlfriend is from Westfield, NY.

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 12:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”347978″][quote comment=”347976″]
    That would truly be revisionist history! The real story is actually the opposite:

    http://en.wikipedia....

    Very, very early in his career Bob Newhart did a bit on how a speechwriter would have punched up the Gettysburg Address: my comment was a bit of a takeoff on that theme.[/quote]

    ABE LINCOLN’S PRESS AGENT.
    “What ABOUT the beard, Abe? (pause) You’re thinking of shaving it OFF? (sigh) Abe, we’ve done studies on that and… (listening) Okay, WHAT else, Abe? (listens) You’re not wearing the shawl? What ARE you wearing? A sort of ‘caridigan”? Listen, Abe, I’m gonna have to get back to you on that…”

    —Ricko

  • Frank from B-More | September 15, 2009 at 12:41 pm |

    Intteresting uniwatch night last night in the home. My wife, who is a relatively new football fan, hated the powder blues of the Chargers and couldn’t stand watching the Raiders play on a dirt infield. Needless to say as an old Baltimore Colts fan who watched games at Memorial Stadium I had to talk to her about how this made the game a true throw back. I also counseled her on her violation of Uniwatch law about never saying a disparaging word about the powder blues.
    One fault I have always had with the Pats is why they wore Red jerseys, since the Redcoats were the enemy in the Revolutionary war (I knew that history degree would come in handy)

  • JimV19 | September 15, 2009 at 12:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”347975″]oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Call them the Federals! Perfect, since they play at FedEx Field. Plus, they could unofficially be the Fedskins…

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 12:43 pm |

    “What ABOUT the speech? You… you TYPED it??? How many times have we told, Abe, ON THE BACKS OF ENVELOPES. Yes, I know it makes it harder to read that way. But it makes it look like you wrote it comin’ down on the train or something.”

  • M.Princip | September 15, 2009 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”347960″][quote comment=”347920″][quote comment=”347902″]Dwight,
    I’m not sure there’s really any excuse for rooting for anyone other than (1) the team from your original home, or (2) the team from your current home. Likewise, changing teams for any reason is seriously frowned upon in some circles. That said, this issue often comes up in various Premier League and other Euro soccer forums, where Americans with no geographic or family history links to any team are go looking for a team to support. The answer is always: You don’t choose your team, your team chooses you. It has to come from the heart, not the brain.[/quote]

    So true Perry. Yet, there are those rare stray Cupid strikes, which happened to me, where this 8 year old boy fell in love with his team(2,700 miles away) solely because of their cool helmet , and eccentric/exciting playing style; circa 1977-78. Now, my team has had many changes, yet, I will always be devoted to them(insert anthemic music).

    Don’t know what it is that makes one devoted to their team, yet, I do know it can be magical. [/quote]

    I’m always interested to learn why people believe the Steelers have a lot of bandwagon fans. Now I think I see where you’re coming from. I imagine, in your case, it has something to do with all the Black and Gold in this picture:

    http://static.panora...

    Perfect example, thanks Bernard. I only wish Seahawk fans had a mere 4 hour drive to their first Super Bowl. Interestingly though, with the Steeler’s history, and the way bandwagoners cling to glory’s past(trash talking safety nets), there probably would still be a greater number of so called Steeler fans.

  • The Jeff | September 15, 2009 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”347975″]oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Oh I hate how this “issue” keeps popping up. They’ve been the Redskins for over 70 years. No one thinks of a “redskin” as anything other than a football player from DC. Regardless of the origins of the name, it’s been in use for so long that it doesn’t have that connotation anymore.

  • JRJR | September 15, 2009 at 12:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”347981″]Question for the DIYers and Color Purists, I have a DIY project in mind, but the closest color paint I can find to my two blue choices (Navy or Royal) is a Cobalt Blue. Is this an acceptable substitution?[/quote]

    What medium are you using and what are you trying to reproduce? I think you will probably disappointed with cobalt blue to replace either navy or royal. It is much brighter, with more white and yellow tone. You might be able to mix cobalt with a black and burnt sienna to get an effect similar to navy. Navy is your darkest, then royal, then cobalt in terms of brightness. Feel free to email me for more info on various media. Acrylic navy will not look the same as RIT navy, etc.

  • JimV19 | September 15, 2009 at 12:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”347983″][quote comment=”347973″]
    The Packers are now the only publicly owned company with a board of directors in American professional sports.[/quote]
    Didn’t the Celtics have a stock sale a few years back?[/quote]

    I had stock in them almost 20 years ago. Very small piece – I eventually transferred it to a charity because I didn’t want to mess with the taxes on it. My brother got it for me, which was weird since he liked the Cavs and Lakers and I liked the Sixers and Cavs and we both hated the Celtics. In fact, the only time I ever liked Boston was when they had Ed Pinckney.

    There are other teams where you can buy stock. The Indians did that back when they were good. Don’t know if you can still participate, though.

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 12:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”347988″]”What ABOUT the speech? You… you TYPED it??? How many times have we told, Abe, ON THE BACKS OF ENVELOPES. Yes, I know it makes it harder to read that way. But it makes it look like you wrote it comin’ down on the train or something.”[/quote]
    Ah yes… thanks.

    I mostly remembered the part about “why are you saying four score and seven….”

  • mtjaws | September 15, 2009 at 12:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”347908″][quote comment=”347886″]…Are the Raiders the only one left in the No Fun League that plays on a baseball infield this time of year?[/quote]

    The Dolphins and Marlins still share Pro-Pla . . .Joe Rob . . .What’s it called now? Land Shark Stadium?[/quote]

    The Miami Hurricanes also share the stadium now too. I’d love to see what happens when the Marlins playoff games cause more scheduling nightmares this year and the next two.

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”347987″][quote comment=”347975″]oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Call them the Federals! Perfect, since they play at FedEx Field. Plus, they could unofficially be the Fedskins…[/quote]

    The Sentinels. Add some silver t, and adopt, those Pats throwbacks, get Shane Falco off his boat. Definitely hire those cheerleaders….

    –Ricko

  • RS Rogers | September 15, 2009 at 12:51 pm |

    I don’t understand how the helmet hats aren’t a permanent fixture. Not the originals, but maybe a New Era or Reebok version that wouldn’t turn to dust in the closet during the offseason. Surely they’d be huge sellers, at least at the stadium and team pro shops, where a lot of fans simply want to look like the team on the field. Heck, I’d probably still be a Vikings fan if I could wear a purple cap with a horn on each side. (Except I’d probably really be a Rams fan, since that is by far the coolest of the helmet hats, and like Dwight I’m at a point where something that trivial would probably be enough to secure my NFL fan loyalty.)

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 12:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”347986″] the Pats is why they wore Red jerseys, [/quote]
    That does remind me of a image from last night, when the director cut directly from the Patriots making a play in their red jerseys to their fans celebrating in BLUE jerseys…. :-)

  • Hott Rodd | September 15, 2009 at 12:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”347991″][quote comment=”347981″]Question for the DIYers and Color Purists, I have a DIY project in mind, but the closest color paint I can find to my two blue choices (Navy or Royal) is a Cobalt Blue. Is this an acceptable substitution?[/quote]

    What medium are you using and what are you trying to reproduce? I think you will probably disappointed with cobalt blue to replace either navy or royal. It is much brighter, with more white and yellow tone. You might be able to mix cobalt with a black and burnt sienna to get an effect similar to navy. Navy is your darkest, then royal, then cobalt in terms of brightness. Feel free to email me for more info on various media. Acrylic navy will not look the same as RIT navy, etc.[/quote]

    I will be spray painting a Refrigerator, so i don’t have much choice in terms of availability of paint, and or mixing of colors..

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 12:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”347993″][quote comment=”347988″]”What ABOUT the speech? You… you TYPED it??? How many times have we told, Abe, ON THE BACKS OF ENVELOPES. Yes, I know it makes it harder to read that way. But it makes it look like you wrote it comin’ down on the train or something.”[/quote]
    Ah yes… thanks.

    I mostly remembered the part about “why are you saying four score and seven….”[/quote]

    “You changed ‘four score and seven’ to ‘eighty-seven’? (exasperated). That was meant to be a ‘grabber’, Abe. Yes, I know it means the same thing, Abe. Abe, Abe…listen…that’s like Marc Antony saying, ‘Friends, Romans, countrymen…I got somethin’ I wanna tell ya.'”

    —Ricko

  • scott | September 15, 2009 at 12:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”347938″]I may be the only one in the world, and I, as a Mainer, am a Patriots fan, but I think the Patriots’ current unis are much nicer than those throwbacks. Pat Patriot is fun nostalgia, but seems to me inappropriately cartoonish on a football helmet…I much prefer the sleek momentum of flying elvis. The red, too, just didn’t look good (maybe it was the fabric like Paul mentioned, maybe it just seemed to bright…). I know it’s borderline sacrilege on this site to say anything bad about throwbacks (esp. with sock stripes), but I want to go on record as saying that I’ll take the Pats’ current set.[/quote]

    Me too. The red uniforms remind me of all the losing the Patriots did in the past; the Brady-era uniforms, by contrast, are the uniforms of a football dynasty.

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 12:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”347998″][quote comment=”347991″][quote comment=”347981″]Question for the DIYers and Color Purists, I have a DIY project in mind, but the closest color paint I can find to my two blue choices (Navy or Royal) is a Cobalt Blue. Is this an acceptable substitution?[/quote]

    What medium are you using and what are you trying to reproduce? I think you will probably disappointed with cobalt blue to replace either navy or royal. It is much brighter, with more white and yellow tone. You might be able to mix cobalt with a black and burnt sienna to get an effect similar to navy. Navy is your darkest, then royal, then cobalt in terms of brightness. Feel free to email me for more info on various media. Acrylic navy will not look the same as RIT navy, etc.[/quote]

    I will be spray painting a Refrigerator, so i don’t have much choice in terms of availability of paint, and or mixing of colors..[/quote]

    Remember, when spraying the inside, do NOT close the door behind you.

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 12:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”347999″]”You changed ‘four score and seven’ to ‘eighty-seven’? (exasperated). That was meant to be a ‘grabber’, Abe. [/quote]
    I guess the guy on the phone was supposed to be something of an “agent” or PR flack for Abe, wasn’t he?

    I don’t know why I remembered speechwriter.

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 12:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”347990″][quote comment=”347975″]oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Oh I hate how this “issue” keeps popping up. They’ve been the Redskins for over 70 years. No one thinks of a “redskin” as anything other than a football player from DC. Regardless of the origins of the name, it’s been in use for so long that it doesn’t have that connotation anymore.[/quote]

    doesn’t make it right tho

  • The Jeff | September 15, 2009 at 1:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”347998″]
    I will be spray painting a Refrigerator, so i don’t have much choice in terms of availability of paint, and or mixing of colors..[/quote]

    I don’t know how well it will work on a refrigerator, but Rustoleum has a line of spraypaint called Painter’s Touch. I know they have a navy blue.

    http://www.rustoleum...

  • Valjean | September 15, 2009 at 1:00 pm |

    Being a Raider fan of some 40 years I found last night was terrific nostalgia (for watching them and the other three) — and completely agree with Paul about the fun of watching some football scrumming in infield dirt — but …

    what was up with Oakland wearing white at home — in their home opener no less? (Sorry if this was already covered, I haven’t found it.) Having watched basically every Raider home game through the mid-60s to the early 80s, I never remember this happening. My pet theory is that the NFL thought the Raiders in white (with those lovely silver numbers) and Bolts in powder blue would look more “throwback-y”. Brings up a good question of throwback aesthetics vs. authenticity.

    And did the Raiders helmet numbers really look like this? Looks almost, (shudder) Steeler-like.

    And finally: anyone else notice on Paul’s “texture link” that uni for Cincy? Yow-sah! Orange jersey? Helmet stripe? Did they ever wear that?

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 1:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”348001″]
    Remember, when spraying the inside, do NOT close the door behind you.[/quote]
    But how else am I going to get the light bulb?

    If I leave the door open, the bulb gets hot and the paint won’t stick.

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 1:01 pm |

    JTH’s lambeau field review somehow got caught in the “spaminator” so i rescued it — go back up to post #116 if you missed it

  • JRJR | September 15, 2009 at 1:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”347998″][quote comment=”347991″][quote comment=”347981″]Question for the DIYers and Color Purists, I have a DIY project in mind, but the closest color paint I can find to my two blue choices (Navy or Royal) is a Cobalt Blue. Is this an acceptable substitution?[/quote]

    What medium are you using and what are you trying to reproduce? I think you will probably disappointed with cobalt blue to replace either navy or royal. It is much brighter, with more white and yellow tone. You might be able to mix cobalt with a black and burnt sienna to get an effect similar to navy. Navy is your darkest, then royal, then cobalt in terms of brightness. Feel free to email me for more info on various media. Acrylic navy will not look the same as RIT navy, etc.[/quote]

    I will be spray painting a Refrigerator, so i don’t have much choice in terms of availability of paint, and or mixing of colors..[/quote]

    Give this a shot.

    http://www.rustoleum...

  • JTH | September 15, 2009 at 1:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”348003″][quote comment=”347990″][quote comment=”347975″]oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Oh I hate how this “issue” keeps popping up. They’ve been the Redskins for over 70 years. No one thinks of a “redskin” as anything other than a football player from DC. Regardless of the origins of the name, it’s been in use for so long that it doesn’t have that connotation anymore.[/quote]

    doesn’t make it right tho[/quote]
    No. No, it doesn’t.

    And I think the argument that “no one thinks of a ‘redskin’ as anything other than a football player from DC” really misses the mark when this is the logo on the helmet.

  • JimV19 | September 15, 2009 at 1:04 pm |

    While searching for football fields, I came across this cool-looking soccer shirt: http://cescy.com/blo...

  • chance michaels | September 15, 2009 at 1:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”347990″][quote comment=”347975″]oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Oh I hate how this “issue” keeps popping up. They’ve been the Redskins for over 70 years. No one thinks of a “redskin” as anything other than a football player from DC. Regardless of the origins of the name, it’s been in use for so long that it doesn’t have that connotation anymore.[/quote]
    I’m afraid that you can only speak for yourself on that one.

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 1:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”348002″][quote comment=”347999″]”You changed ‘four score and seven’ to ‘eighty-seven’? (exasperated). That was meant to be a ‘grabber’, Abe. [/quote]
    I guess the guy on the phone was supposed to be something of an “agent” or PR flack for Abe, wasn’t he?

    I don’t know why I remembered speechwriter.[/quote]

    Yup, name of the routine (on the album, anyway) is “Abe Lincoln’s Press Agent”. Also a routine about Abner Doubleday calling a game company with his new invention. Might be on YouTube or some such place. Very funny. “Three strikes and you’re out and…three balls and you’re out? Not three balls, four balls. Why four balls, Mr. Doubleday? (pauses, laughs) Nobody’s ever asked you before?”

    —Ricko

  • JTH | September 15, 2009 at 1:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”348007″]JTH’s lambeau field review somehow got caught in the “spaminator” so i rescued it — go back up to post #116 if you missed it[/quote]
    Post got flagged as someone impersonating me since I was saying nice things about Packers fans?

  • RS Rogers | September 15, 2009 at 1:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”347990″][quote comment=”347975″]oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Oh I hate how this “issue” keeps popping up. They’ve been the Redskins for over 70 years. No one thinks of a “redskin” as anything other than a football player from DC. Regardless of the origins of the name, it’s been in use for so long that it doesn’t have that connotation anymore.[/quote]

    The whole argument that the name “Redskins” is completely harmless fun makes a lot of sense — provided that one is entirely ignorant of the history of the football team and of English usage.

    Plus, the controversy allows for the much more interesting conversation about what to call the team. I’d like Federals, if not for the USFL team of that name and the fact that burgundy and gold are very much not federal colors. And the point here should be to allow the team to retain as much of its current identity as possible, so the colors have to stay. So I fall back on Warriors, because it would allow the team to keep its colors and most of its Indian iconography. A return to the mohawk feather helmets (my favorite in NFL history) or the spear logo would be a perfect match for the Warriors name. It would tie in nicely with Washington’s significant military presence. Plus it’s alliterative, which is an underrated asset in team names.

  • Jeff P | September 15, 2009 at 1:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”347997″]I don’t understand how the helmet hats aren’t a permanent fixture. Not the originals, but maybe a New Era or Reebok version that wouldn’t turn to dust in the closet during the offseason. Surely they’d be huge sellers, at least at the stadium and team pro shops, where a lot of fans simply want to look like the team on the field. Heck, I’d probably still be a Vikings fan if I could wear a purple cap with a horn on each side. (Except I’d probably really be a Rams fan, since that is by far the coolest of the helmet hats, and like Dwight I’m at a point where something that trivial would probably be enough to secure my NFL fan loyalty.)[/quote]

    Well, Reebok is too busy making strech fit trucker hats with flames, and they have an exclusive contract so nobody like New Era or twin city can get on it.

    Which is, oddly enough, the reason I don’t own an NFL hat. (well, not completely true- I got a panthers adjustable wool hat as a gift the year they came into the league. I have it buried somewhere at home, the logo’s faded and the wool crown is rather fuzzy).

    Until they let twin city or New Era in on it, or start making a decent real fitted hat that’s classy and stylish, I ain’t buying one.

  • Hott Rodd | September 15, 2009 at 1:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”348001″][quote comment=”347998″][quote comment=”347991″][quote comment=”347981″]Question for the DIYers and Color Purists, I have a DIY project in mind, but the closest color paint I can find to my two blue choices (Navy or Royal) is a Cobalt Blue. Is this an acceptable substitution?[/quote]

    What medium are you using and what are you trying to reproduce? I think you will probably disappointed with cobalt blue to replace either navy or royal. It is much brighter, with more white and yellow tone. You might be able to mix cobalt with a black and burnt sienna to get an effect similar to navy. Navy is your darkest, then royal, then cobalt in terms of brightness. Feel free to email me for more info on various media. Acrylic navy will not look the same as RIT navy, etc.[/quote]

    I will be spray painting a Refrigerator, so i don’t have much choice in terms of availability of paint, and or mixing of colors..[/quote]

    Remember, when spraying the inside, do NOT close the door behind you.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Thanks Rick.. I’ll only be painting the outside though.

  • MPowers1634 | September 15, 2009 at 1:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”347995″][quote comment=”347987″][quote comment=”347975″]oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Call them the Federals! Perfect, since they play at FedEx Field. Plus, they could unofficially be the Fedskins…[/quote]

    The Sentinels. Add some silver t, and adopt, those Pats throwbacks, get Shane Falco off his boat. Definitely hire those cheerleaders….

    –Ricko[/quote]

    Right now, at this very moment, I am typing on a computer at Haverstraw Middle School where one of the Phys ed teachers is one Ed Ruppert, who is the eal life human being that Shane Falco’s character is based upon.

    http://www.redskinsc...

  • The Jeff | September 15, 2009 at 1:15 pm |

    Redskins… offensive?

    http://nbcsports.msn...

    If those numbers are anywhere close to accurate…

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 1:15 pm |

    so james…that you in #22 with the DIY shorts?

  • WVU Tom | September 15, 2009 at 1:15 pm |

    Long time reader, occasional commenter here…

    Just wanted to say I switched to Gmail a few years ago for both person and professional endeavors and haven’t looked back since.

    I loved the throwbacks last night was well, but was curious as to why the Raiders opted to wear white at home.

    Also, here’s a uni-related blog post that may interest Washington DC area hockey fans:
    http://onfrozenblog....

  • WSCopic | September 15, 2009 at 1:17 pm |

    That rocks, Powers.

    :D

  • Jeff P | September 15, 2009 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”347969″][quote comment=”347965″]Hmm. How about the Panthers? While I don’t like the black either, the whites and blues are things of beauty, and they’re the only NFL team that has full shoulder loops rather then the truncated crap, at least for most players.[/quote]

    sadly, jeff…most of them have the truncated loops…although the qb and a certain high profile wide receiver do have them…

    check back this weekend for my take on them

    and i totally agree–those panther whites are a thing of beauty![/quote]

    Huh. Didn’t get to watch them much last year (and probalby this year, being at school), but a lot more of them used to have the Steve Smith style loops.

    The real style with the QBs and Kickers is the best though.

    As for the column, let me guess- you’ll be complaining about the helmet stripes, or rather slashes? I kind of like them, but I can see why some might not. Really the only ‘tweak’ I would make would be to relegate the black to the third or ditch it completely.

  • Hott Rodd | September 15, 2009 at 1:18 pm |

    JRJR and The Jeff, thanks I’ll check out the rustoleum.

  • MPowers1634 | September 15, 2009 at 1:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”347961″][quote comment=”347946″]
    All I know is that what the Patriot Gals had on last night reminded me of this…

    http://www.trojanwir...

    …which is a very, very good thing.

    :D[/quote]

    There’s at least a couple of very, very good thing(s) in that picture. :-)

    No screen grabs from the Mich/USC Rose Bowl a few years ago?[/quote]

    Must…not…give…in….to song…girl….temptation…

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 1:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”348016″][quote comment=”348001″][quote comment=”347998″][quote comment=”347991″][quote comment=”347981″]Question for the DIYers and Color Purists, I have a DIY project in mind, but the closest color paint I can find to my two blue choices (Navy or Royal) is a Cobalt Blue. Is this an acceptable substitution?[/quote]

    What medium are you using and what are you trying to reproduce? I think you will probably disappointed with cobalt blue to replace either navy or royal. It is much brighter, with more white and yellow tone. You might be able to mix cobalt with a black and burnt sienna to get an effect similar to navy. Navy is your darkest, then royal, then cobalt in terms of brightness. Feel free to email me for more info on various media. Acrylic navy will not look the same as RIT navy, etc.[/quote]

    I will be spray painting a Refrigerator, so i don’t have much choice in terms of availability of paint, and or mixing of colors..[/quote]

    Remember, when spraying the inside, do NOT close the door behind you.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Thanks Rick.. I’ll only be painting the outside though.[/quote]

    Oh, okay. But don’t forget that for future reference. ;)

  • MPowers1634 | September 15, 2009 at 1:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”348019″]so james…that you in #22 with the DIY shorts?[/quote]

    Yeah, and he’s wearing the Nike Air Zoom Quad Turbo Force Chucks to boot.

  • JimV19 | September 15, 2009 at 1:25 pm |

    How cool would it have been if they played on this field last night?
    http://home.pacbell....

  • JAson | September 15, 2009 at 1:26 pm |

    For those of us still willing to admit that we are Bengal fans, we can sport a new version of the Helmet hat!

    http://proshop.benga...

  • LarryB | September 15, 2009 at 1:26 pm |

    All I know is for the first time ever I got the 1st post of the day.

    A night owl who just happened to be up this morning.

    Both games last night were fun to see. Uniform wise.

  • RedWing in Colorado | September 15, 2009 at 1:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”347990″][quote comment=”347975″]oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Oh I hate how this “issue” keeps popping up. They’ve been the Redskins for over 70 years. No one thinks of a “redskin” as anything other than a football player from DC. Regardless of the origins of the name, it’s been in use for so long that it doesn’t have that connotation anymore.[/quote]

    No way. Still has the connotation. Society would never allow a team to be the LA Spicks or the Atlanta N*****s. It is ridiculous that the courts have allowed this to go this far. The name defames Native Americans, and should be replaced, since their history on this continent sligtly supercedes the “70 years” Washington has been using this term to describe their football team.

    This is different from the FSU/Atlanta/Cleveland/Illinois situations, if only because the name is a defamatory one. There is no “Redskin Nation” of Native Americans.

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 1:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”348022″][quote comment=”347969″][quote comment=”347965″]Hmm. How about the Panthers? While I don’t like the black either, the whites and blues are things of beauty, and they’re the only NFL team that has full shoulder loops rather then the truncated crap, at least for most players.[/quote]

    sadly, jeff…most of them have the truncated loops…although the qb and a certain high profile wide receiver do have them…

    check back this weekend for my take on them

    and i totally agree–those panther whites are a thing of beauty![/quote]

    Huh. Didn’t get to watch them much last year (and probalby this year, being at school), but a lot more of them used to have the Steve Smith style loops.

    The real style with the QBs and Kickers is the best though.

    As for the column, let me guess- you’ll be complaining about the helmet stripes, or rather slashes? I kind of like them, but I can see why some might not. Really the only ‘tweak’ I would make would be to relegate the black to the third or ditch it completely.[/quote]

    Black was their original dark jersey. I remember thinking when they added the blue one, “Right, who wouldn’t wanna look like the Detroit Lions.” And at that time the Lions actually still won a game once in a while.

    Generally, I’m with you, though. Pick one of the other, bright blue or black. Never been a big fan of the “alt jersey” mentality, anyway. Only ones that seem to work are the Broncos’ orange (because it harks back to the Orange Crush look) and Eagles’ black with green pants. Normally don’t like all-dark, but that one looks good for me, for some reason.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | September 15, 2009 at 1:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”348026″][quote comment=”348019″]so james…that you in #22 with the DIY shorts?[/quote]

    Yeah, and he’s wearing the Nike Air Zoom Quad Turbo Force Chucks to boot.[/quote]
    Yep. Those bastards in Beaverton just couldn’t leave well enough alone when they bought Converse, could they?

  • bourbon soaked idiot | September 15, 2009 at 1:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”347924″][quote comment=”347915″][quote comment=”347899″](the) raiders (as has been mentioned) should also have gone all the way back to their first year[/quote]

    Amen, Phil. I’ll definitely take what they gave me last night, but it would have been cool to see year one.

    Many are complaining about the heavy black stroke the Raiders had on their numbers. Graphically speaking, I think if it hadn’t been that strong, the silver numbers may not have been visible to those in the upper deck. The uni is more for the guy in the stands than the guy on his couch… that’s why the numbers on the front and back aren’t the tv numbers.[/quote]

    Back at the start of ’63, Raider borders WERE that thick (see photos posted late last night) for exactly the reason you say. And they didn’t stay with the silver numbers, either, switching the fronts and backs to black during the season, largely because of readability issues on b&w TV.

    Shouldn’t this be more about the accuracy of the recreations than about criticizing or redesigning 50-year old uniforms? I mean, that’s a real fool’s errand, isn’t it?

    For example. both the Oilers (Hall of Fame Game) and Patriots socks stripes aren’t nearly as wide as the originals. Minor detail, and not making a big deal out of it, just saying I noticed.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yes, I am all for accuracy and think that throwback games should be as historically true as possible, but my point was that they are not beautiful. Design wise they are a mess. Just because they are 50 years old doesn’t mean they are beautiful. There were a lot of bad designs back in the day.

    Perfect example is Ottawa 67s and their barber pole sweaters. Yesterday people were upset that they wouldn’t be wearing them anymore. But lets face it they were ugly. And if a team came out with that design now most people on Uniwatch would hate it.

  • Bernard | September 15, 2009 at 1:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”347989″][quote comment=”347960″][quote comment=”347920″][quote comment=”347902″]Dwight,
    I’m not sure there’s really any excuse for rooting for anyone other than (1) the team from your original home, or (2) the team from your current home. Likewise, changing teams for any reason is seriously frowned upon in some circles. That said, this issue often comes up in various Premier League and other Euro soccer forums, where Americans with no geographic or family history links to any team are go looking for a team to support. The answer is always: You don’t choose your team, your team chooses you. It has to come from the heart, not the brain.[/quote]

    So true Perry. Yet, there are those rare stray Cupid strikes, which happened to me, where this 8 year old boy fell in love with his team(2,700 miles away) solely because of their cool helmet , and eccentric/exciting playing style; circa 1977-78. Now, my team has had many changes, yet, I will always be devoted to them(insert anthemic music).

    Don’t know what it is that makes one devoted to their team, yet, I do know it can be magical. [/quote]

    I’m always interested to learn why people believe the Steelers have a lot of bandwagon fans. Now I think I see where you’re coming from. I imagine, in your case, it has something to do with all the Black and Gold in this picture:

    http://static.panora...

    Perfect example, thanks Bernard. I only wish Seahawk fans had a mere 4 hour drive to their first Super Bowl. Interestingly though, with the Steeler’s history, and the way bandwagoners cling to glory’s past(trash talking safety nets), there probably would still be a greater number of so called Steeler fans.[/quote]

    I love it when people throw around the 4 hour drive, as if every fan in attendance that day drove from Pittsburgh. It looked to me like Raymond James was pretty full of Steelers fans last year too… I guess bandwagon fans don’t mind an 18 hour drive, either.

  • dgc | September 15, 2009 at 1:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”347975″]oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g...

    As Kornheiser has often remarked: Put a potato on the helmet.

  • Jeff P | September 15, 2009 at 1:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”348031″][quote comment=”348022″][quote comment=”347969″][quote comment=”347965″]Hmm. How about the Panthers? While I don’t like the black either, the whites and blues are things of beauty, and they’re the only NFL team that has full shoulder loops rather then the truncated crap, at least for most players.[/quote]

    sadly, jeff…most of them have the truncated loops…although the qb and a certain high profile wide receiver do have them…

    check back this weekend for my take on them

    and i totally agree–those panther whites are a thing of beauty![/quote]

    Huh. Didn’t get to watch them much last year (and probalby this year, being at school), but a lot more of them used to have the Steve Smith style loops.

    The real style with the QBs and Kickers is the best though.

    As for the column, let me guess- you’ll be complaining about the helmet stripes, or rather slashes? I kind of like them, but I can see why some might not. Really the only ‘tweak’ I would make would be to relegate the black to the third or ditch it completely.[/quote]

    Black was their original dark jersey. I remember thinking when they added the blue one, “Right, who wouldn’t wanna look like the Detroit Lions.” And at that time the Lions actually still won a game once in a while.

    Generally, I’m with you, though. Pick one of the other, bright blue or black. Never been a big fan of the “alt jersey” mentality, anyway. Only ones that seem to work are the Broncos’ orange (because it harks back to the Orange Crush look) and Eagles’ black with green pants. Normally don’t like all-dark, but that one looks good for me, for some reason.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Oh, I know the black was their original. I know it’s not BFBS, but the blue just looks much better, and certainly seems to be more popular when you see people wearing jerseys around.

  • JTH | September 15, 2009 at 1:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”348036″][quote comment=”348031″][quote comment=”348022″][quote comment=”347969″][quote comment=”347965″]Hmm. How about the Panthers? While I don’t like the black either, the whites and blues are things of beauty, and they’re the only NFL team that has full shoulder loops rather then the truncated crap, at least for most players.[/quote]

    sadly, jeff…most of them have the truncated loops…although the qb and a certain high profile wide receiver do have them…

    check back this weekend for my take on them

    and i totally agree–those panther whites are a thing of beauty![/quote]

    Huh. Didn’t get to watch them much last year (and probalby this year, being at school), but a lot more of them used to have the Steve Smith style loops.

    The real style with the QBs and Kickers is the best though.

    As for the column, let me guess- you’ll be complaining about the helmet stripes, or rather slashes? I kind of like them, but I can see why some might not. Really the only ‘tweak’ I would make would be to relegate the black to the third or ditch it completely.[/quote]

    Black was their original dark jersey. I remember thinking when they added the blue one, “Right, who wouldn’t wanna look like the Detroit Lions.” And at that time the Lions actually still won a game once in a while.

    Generally, I’m with you, though. Pick one of the other, bright blue or black. Never been a big fan of the “alt jersey” mentality, anyway. Only ones that seem to work are the Broncos’ orange (because it harks back to the Orange Crush look) and Eagles’ black with green pants. Normally don’t like all-dark, but that one looks good for me, for some reason.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Oh, I know the black was their original. I know it’s not BFBS, but the blue just looks much better, and certainly seems to be more popular when you see people wearing jerseys around.[/quote]
    I say go with the black, because when your team is called “Panthers” and you aren’t based in Florida there’s really only one other color that seems fitting.

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 1:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”348030″][quote comment=”347990″][quote comment=”347975″]oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Oh I hate how this “issue” keeps popping up. They’ve been the Redskins for over 70 years. No one thinks of a “redskin” as anything other than a football player from DC. Regardless of the origins of the name, it’s been in use for so long that it doesn’t have that connotation anymore.[/quote]

    No way. Still has the connotation. Society would never allow a team to be the LA Spicks or the Atlanta N*****s. It is ridiculous that the courts have allowed this to go this far. The name defames Native Americans, and should be replaced, since their history on this continent sligtly supercedes the “70 years” Washington has been using this term to describe their football team.

    This is different from the FSU/Atlanta/Cleveland/Illinois situations, if only because the name is a defamatory one. There is no “Redskin Nation” of Native Americans.[/quote]

    Let’s say you grew up watching old westerns on early TV, and heard about “The only good Indian is…” and heard someone like Slim Pickens, Rex Allen’s comedy sidekick in some of the last B-Westerns produced (also early 50s), spot three Indians who’d been ambushed on the trail and say, “Look, there’s three good Redskins”.

    Now let’s say a few years later you discover the pro team in the nation’s capital is called the “Redskins”. Even at the age of eight or nine, you think that just seems really…nasty and not right.

    Say what you will about the Native American nicknames. That’s by far the worst, compounded by the city it represents.

    And made even worse by the fact that George Preston Marshall, the guy who named them (while still in Boston), later said, “I was born and raised in Virginia, and as long as I own the team there will never be a Negro on the Redskins.” He said that in about 1958, btw.

    —Ricko

  • Ranagan | September 15, 2009 at 1:44 pm |

    Just saw this photo of Vinatieri in 2001 up on the new (and loathable, even for a Boston fan like myself) ESPNboston.com.

    What’s up with his planted foot? Is that shoe untied? Too big?

    Looks like he usually wears matching Reeboks when he kicks, though he’s worn mismatched pairs in the past…

    Any ideas?

  • Snowdan | September 15, 2009 at 1:44 pm |

    Two things:

    1) Redskins is nothing but a slur towards American Indians – but we’ve marginalized their culture so much they don’t have a voice to defend themselves.

    2) I hate the Packers, but I have nothing but good things to say about their fans and the tailgate experience – Wish the Vikings could replicate anything close to their games and stadium.

  • bourbon soaked idiot | September 15, 2009 at 1:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”348014″][quote comment=”347990″][quote comment=”347975″]oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Oh I hate how this “issue” keeps popping up. They’ve been the Redskins for over 70 years. No one thinks of a “redskin” as anything other than a football player from DC. Regardless of the origins of the name, it’s been in use for so long that it doesn’t have that connotation anymore.[/quote]

    The whole argument that the name “Redskins” is completely harmless fun makes a lot of sense — provided that one is entirely ignorant of the history of the football team and of English usage.

    Plus, the controversy allows for the much more interesting conversation about what to call the team. I’d like Federals, if not for the USFL team of that name and the fact that burgundy and gold are very much not federal colors. And the point here should be to allow the team to retain as much of its current identity as possible, so the colors have to stay. So I fall back on Warriors, because it would allow the team to keep its colors and most of its Indian iconography. A return to the mohawk feather helmets (my favorite in NFL history) or the spear logo would be a perfect match for the Warriors name. It would tie in nicely with Washington’s significant military presence. Plus it’s alliterative, which is an underrated asset in team names.[/quote]

    Why not go with Hogs?

  • Wally1912 | September 15, 2009 at 1:49 pm |

    I was looking through the Patriots photo gallery someone else linked to and I noticed the team practiced in throwback pants with red stripes on the outside and a blue stripe in the middle

    http://cachemediasrv...

    but wore pants with the stripe colors reversed last night.

    http://cachemediasrv...

  • Jeff P | September 15, 2009 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”348042″]I was looking through the Patriots photo gallery someone else linked to and I noticed the team practiced in throwback pants with red stripes on the outside and a blue stripe in the middle

    http://cachemediasrv...

    but wore pants with the stripe colors reversed last night.

    http://cachemediasrv...
    Wouldn’t be shocked if they were using them as practice pants as well as game pants on occasion just to keep costs down a little.

    How much do football pants run anyway?

  • The Jeff | September 15, 2009 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”348042″]I was looking through the Patriots photo gallery someone else linked to and I noticed the team practiced in throwback pants with red stripes on the outside and a blue stripe in the middle

    http://cachemediasrv...

    but wore pants with the stripe colors reversed last night.

    http://cachemediasrv...

    Um. Damn. I think that means the Pats uniforms were wrong then. Wow. How the hell did we all not see that?

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”348033″][quote comment=”347924″][quote comment=”347915″][quote comment=”347899″](the) raiders (as has been mentioned) should also have gone all the way back to their first year[/quote]

    Amen, Phil. I’ll definitely take what they gave me last night, but it would have been cool to see year one.

    Many are complaining about the heavy black stroke the Raiders had on their numbers. Graphically speaking, I think if it hadn’t been that strong, the silver numbers may not have been visible to those in the upper deck. The uni is more for the guy in the stands than the guy on his couch… that’s why the numbers on the front and back aren’t the tv numbers.[/quote]

    Back at the start of ’63, Raider borders WERE that thick (see photos posted late last night) for exactly the reason you say. And they didn’t stay with the silver numbers, either, switching the fronts and backs to black during the season, largely because of readability issues on b&w TV.

    Shouldn’t this be more about the accuracy of the recreations than about criticizing or redesigning 50-year old uniforms? I mean, that’s a real fool’s errand, isn’t it?

    For example. both the Oilers (Hall of Fame Game) and Patriots socks stripes aren’t nearly as wide as the originals. Minor detail, and not making a big deal out of it, just saying I noticed.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yes, I am all for accuracy and think that throwback games should be as historically true as possible, but my point was that they are not beautiful. Design wise they are a mess. Just because they are 50 years old doesn’t mean they are beautiful. There were a lot of bad designs back in the day.

    Perfect example is Ottawa 67s and their barber pole sweaters. Yesterday people were upset that they wouldn’t be wearing them anymore. But lets face it they were ugly. And if a team came out with that design now most people on Uniwatch would hate it.[/quote]

    Saying again, part of the appeal of these throwbacks IS that some of them are gruesome. You think the Broncos are wearing the brown-and-golds (including those socks) because they were classics of elegant, good-looking, universally loved uni design?

    —Ricko

  • dwight | September 15, 2009 at 1:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”347973″][quote comment=”347878″][quote comment=”347871″][quote comment=”347869″][quote comment=”347866″][quote comment=”347856″]In light of the Texans’ constant suckage, I am recruiting a new team to root for. I have narrowed down the selections to:

    Bears
    Packers
    49ers
    Saints
    Browns
    Colts

    I have eliminated all others for various reasons, unis being a key factor. Please provide pros/cons as to why I should make your team “my team”. Thanks uniwatch![/quote]

    I would seriously suggest one of these three teams for you; Patriots, Cowboys, or, Steelers. You would fit right in with most of their fans.[/quote]

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Not to laugh at you dwight, but that was comedy. I would have to encourage rooting for the horseshoes[/quote]

    That’s why I left the Browns, Saints, and Niners – and eliminated the Pats and Steelers, greatness is NOT a pre-requisite[/quote]

    If greatness is not a pre-requisite, as you say, why then are you forsaking your Texans. They’re not great, but you are giving up on them for their ‘constant suckage’. Why give up one loser for another?

    On another note, go with GB. Best fans, best ownership (ourselves), great uniforms, great history, awesome stadium. Can’t go wrong. Until you try and get season tickets. I’m number 56,000-some.

    -Greenie[/quote]

    The Green Bay Packers, founded in nineteen hundred and nineteen, is one of the most storied franchises in football history. The Pack can even trace their lineage to other semi-professional teams in Green Bay dating back to 1896. Curly Lambeau and George Calhoun started the Packers with funds given to them by their employer the Indian Meat Packing Co. The donation of $500 was given for uniforms and equipment. The Packers started with the colors Navy and Gold as an homage to Lambeau’s college, Notre Dame. Vince Lombardi changed the colors to green gold when he took over the helm in late 1959.

    The Green Bay Packers have won 12 championships including three Super Bowls. They have also not changed their uniforms drastically since the Lombardi era.

    The Packers are now the only publicly owned company with a board of directors in American professional sports. It doesn’t get any better than to have a team where the fans are the owners.

    In conclusion, the Packers have arguably the best fans in the world. Wisconsin people are so friendly, and being at historic Lambeau Field on game day is not surpassed by anything. Greenie has me beat on the season ticket list. I fall somewhere around 66,000. The current time frame for season tickets is a shade over 30 years. When looking for a team to cheer for, and be a part of, please consider one of the greatest franchises in sports history. Come join the Cheeseheads of the Frozen Tundra.[/quote]

    Nicely done.

  • JimV19 | September 15, 2009 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”348043″][quote comment=”348042″]I was looking through the Patriots photo gallery someone else linked to and I noticed the team practiced in throwback pants with red stripes on the outside and a blue stripe in the middle

    http://cachemediasrv...

    but wore pants with the stripe colors reversed last night.

    http://cachemediasrv...
    Wouldn’t be shocked if they were using them as practice pants as well as game pants on occasion just to keep costs down a little.

    How much do football pants run anyway?[/quote]
    As much as they legs inside them are running. ;)

  • Jeff P | September 15, 2009 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”348043″][quote comment=”348042″]I was looking through the Patriots photo gallery someone else linked to and I noticed the team practiced in throwback pants with red stripes on the outside and a blue stripe in the middle

    http://cachemediasrv...

    but wore pants with the stripe colors reversed last night.

    http://cachemediasrv...
    Wouldn’t be shocked if they were using them as practice pants as well as game pants on occasion just to keep costs down a little.

    How much do football pants run anyway?[/quote]
    Wait, misread the part about them being different. Perhaps home and away pants?

  • leon | September 15, 2009 at 2:10 pm |

    I will be spray painting a Refrigerator, so i don’t have much choice in terms of availability of paint, and or mixing of colors..

    Not putting an orange “72” on that also, are you?

  • JTH | September 15, 2009 at 2:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”348048″][quote comment=”348043″][quote comment=”348042″]I was looking through the Patriots photo gallery someone else linked to and I noticed the team practiced in throwback pants with red stripes on the outside and a blue stripe in the middle

    http://cachemediasrv...

    but wore pants with the stripe colors reversed last night.

    http://cachemediasrv...
    Wouldn’t be shocked if they were using them as practice pants as well as game pants on occasion just to keep costs down a little.

    How much do football pants run anyway?[/quote]
    Wait, misread the part about them being different. Perhaps home and away pants?[/quote]
    Not that this is a definitive reference, but compare the stripes on the pants of Jim Nance and Nick Buoniconti as they’re depicted here.

    Seems to back up your hypothesis.

  • Hott Rodd | September 15, 2009 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”348049″]I will be spray painting a Refrigerator, so i don’t have much choice in terms of availability of paint, and or mixing of colors..

    Not putting an orange “72” on that also, are you?[/quote]

    ummmm no.

    Big blue star is the plan.

  • Judy | September 15, 2009 at 2:18 pm |

    [quote]oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g…[/quote]

    How about Bullets? Oh wait….nevermind.

    With respect to those of you who posted to the contrary, I don’t think there’s any comparison between the Patriots’ uniform from last night and the crappy blue flying Elvis set. When I was young I drew all of the NFL helmets (well, my dad drew the helmet template and I did the logo inside, on lined notebook paper. What I wouldn’t give to have those back now!) and I hated drawing the Pat’s helmet – but it’s so much better looking than Flying Elvis, which looks like a USFL reject. Plus the red jerseys, the shoulder stripes (truncated or not)….gorgeous.

  • bourbon soaked idiot | September 15, 2009 at 2:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”348045″][quote comment=”348033″][quote comment=”347924″][quote comment=”347915″][quote comment=”347899″](the) raiders (as has been mentioned) should also have gone all the way back to their first year[/quote]

    Amen, Phil. I’ll definitely take what they gave me last night, but it would have been cool to see year one.

    Many are complaining about the heavy black stroke the Raiders had on their numbers. Graphically speaking, I think if it hadn’t been that strong, the silver numbers may not have been visible to those in the upper deck. The uni is more for the guy in the stands than the guy on his couch… that’s why the numbers on the front and back aren’t the tv numbers.[/quote]

    Back at the start of ’63, Raider borders WERE that thick (see photos posted late last night) for exactly the reason you say. And they didn’t stay with the silver numbers, either, switching the fronts and backs to black during the season, largely because of readability issues on b&w TV.

    Shouldn’t this be more about the accuracy of the recreations than about criticizing or redesigning 50-year old uniforms? I mean, that’s a real fool’s errand, isn’t it?

    For example. both the Oilers (Hall of Fame Game) and Patriots socks stripes aren’t nearly as wide as the originals. Minor detail, and not making a big deal out of it, just saying I noticed.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yes, I am all for accuracy and think that throwback games should be as historically true as possible, but my point was that they are not beautiful. Design wise they are a mess. Just because they are 50 years old doesn’t mean they are beautiful. There were a lot of bad designs back in the day.

    Perfect example is Ottawa 67s and their barber pole sweaters. Yesterday people were upset that they wouldn’t be wearing them anymore. But lets face it they were ugly. And if a team came out with that design now most people on Uniwatch would hate it.[/quote]

    Saying again, part of the appeal of these throwbacks IS that some of them are gruesome. You think the Broncos are wearing the brown-and-golds (including those socks) because they were classics of elegant, good-looking, universally loved uni design?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    We seem to be arguing similar viewpoints. My point is that people keep calling these designs things of beauty. They are not. It’s fun to watch the throwbacks but I don’t get why most people here think “old” and “classic” equals “good”.

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 2:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”348051″][quote comment=”348049″]I will be spray painting a Refrigerator, so i don’t have much choice in terms of availability of paint, and or mixing of colors..

    Not putting an orange “72” on that also, are you?[/quote]

    ummmm no.

    Big blue star is the plan.[/quote]

    why din’t ya just say so ;)

    get the pantone #s and take ’em to your paint store…im sure they can match ’em

    and if not, you can always go with fern green

  • leon | September 15, 2009 at 2:24 pm |

    Re:Washington Redskins
    Caveat:I have been a fan since 1961, but am not unsympathetic to those who find the name offensive. Here’s some history that doesn’t really “excuse” the name but can add a little perspective, I hope. We all know they were originally the Boston Braves and shared a stadium with the team of the same name (making for some great early season play with infields visible). They soon moved to Fenway Park and couldn’t play there with the name “Braves”. Hence, Redskins.

    As for a potential new name, there have been several mentioned that pop up from time to time. There is a school of thought that Daniel Snyder wants to build a domed stadium within the District limits and host the Super Bowl. If this seems likely, I think we can rule out any name that even remotely could be conceived as “racial” for a team playing in a stadium on federal land. If FedEx is still one of their big backers, Federals seems likely. I also suspect “Generals” will garner attention.

    I hope this was helpful. :)

  • JimV19 | September 15, 2009 at 2:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”348052″][quote]oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g…[/quote]

    How about Bullets? Oh wait….nevermind.

    With respect to those of you who posted to the contrary, I don’t think there’s any comparison between the Patriots’ uniform from last night and the crappy blue flying Elvis set. When I was young I drew all of the NFL helmets (well, my dad drew the helmet template and I did the logo inside, on lined notebook paper. What I wouldn’t give to have those back now!) and I hated drawing the Pat’s helmet – but it’s so much better looking than Flying Elvis, which looks like a USFL reject. Plus the red jerseys, the shoulder stripes (truncated or not)….gorgeous.[/quote]

    Hey, Flying Elvis was nowhere near as cool as the USFL logos! Arena football, now there’s a better comparison…

    I was just telling Phil how I used to draw football fields all the time. I did helmets, too, but sadly I don’t have them anymore.

    Anyone out there have a good picture of KC Municipal Stadium, when the Chiefs used to paint their helmet and the opponent’s helmet at midfield? I always thought that was cool.

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 2:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”348053″][quote comment=”348045″][quote comment=”348033″][quote comment=”347924″][quote comment=”347915″][quote comment=”347899″](the) raiders (as has been mentioned) should also have gone all the way back to their first year[/quote]

    Amen, Phil. I’ll definitely take what they gave me last night, but it would have been cool to see year one.

    Many are complaining about the heavy black stroke the Raiders had on their numbers. Graphically speaking, I think if it hadn’t been that strong, the silver numbers may not have been visible to those in the upper deck. The uni is more for the guy in the stands than the guy on his couch… that’s why the numbers on the front and back aren’t the tv numbers.[/quote]

    Back at the start of ’63, Raider borders WERE that thick (see photos posted late last night) for exactly the reason you say. And they didn’t stay with the silver numbers, either, switching the fronts and backs to black during the season, largely because of readability issues on b&w TV.

    Shouldn’t this be more about the accuracy of the recreations than about criticizing or redesigning 50-year old uniforms? I mean, that’s a real fool’s errand, isn’t it?

    For example. both the Oilers (Hall of Fame Game) and Patriots socks stripes aren’t nearly as wide as the originals. Minor detail, and not making a big deal out of it, just saying I noticed.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yes, I am all for accuracy and think that throwback games should be as historically true as possible, but my point was that they are not beautiful. Design wise they are a mess. Just because they are 50 years old doesn’t mean they are beautiful. There were a lot of bad designs back in the day.

    Perfect example is Ottawa 67s and their barber pole sweaters. Yesterday people were upset that they wouldn’t be wearing them anymore. But lets face it they were ugly. And if a team came out with that design now most people on Uniwatch would hate it.[/quote]

    Saying again, part of the appeal of these throwbacks IS that some of them are gruesome. You think the Broncos are wearing the brown-and-golds (including those socks) because they were classics of elegant, good-looking, universally loved uni design?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    We seem to be arguing similar viewpoints. My point is that people keep calling these designs things of beauty. They are not. It’s fun to watch the throwbacks but I don’t get why most people here think “old” and “classic” equals “good”.[/quote]

    Ah, yes, there you go. Definitely harmonizing, not singing different songs.

    —Ricko

  • rocketman | September 15, 2009 at 2:34 pm |

    It’s funny, and kind of tragic, that for the most part the best uniform designs are those from the late 50s and the 60s. Plus several clubs such as the Colts, Packers, and Jets wear what is esssentially a 60s uniform with some modifications. The heyday of uniform design was 40-50 years ago. My how far we’ve come.

  • Hott Rodd | September 15, 2009 at 2:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”348054″][quote comment=”348051″][quote comment=”348049″]I will be spray painting a Refrigerator, so i don’t have much choice in terms of availability of paint, and or mixing of colors..

    Not putting an orange “72” on that also, are you?[/quote]

    ummmm no.

    Big blue star is the plan.[/quote]

    why din’t ya just say so ;)

    get the pantone #s and take ’em to your paint store…im sure they can match ’em

    and if not, you can always go with fern green[/quote]

    The problem is that from the research i’ve done, appliances take specialized paint that comes in a limited scope. if anyone has a different experience please let me know.

  • Hott Rodd | September 15, 2009 at 2:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”348054″][quote comment=”348051″][quote comment=”348049″]I will be spray painting a Refrigerator, so i don’t have much choice in terms of availability of paint, and or mixing of colors..

    Not putting an orange “72” on that also, are you?[/quote]

    ummmm no.

    Big blue star is the plan.[/quote]

    why din’t ya just say so ;)

    get the pantone #s and take ’em to your paint store…im sure they can match ’em

    and if not, you can always go with fern green[/quote]

    However those pantone #s will come in handy for the rest of the room if Home depot has discontinued its team colors line. Thanks!

    (and when i do giants room i’ll use fern green.)

  • JK | September 15, 2009 at 2:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”347866″][quote comment=”347856″]In light of the Texans’ constant suckage, I am recruiting a new team to root for. I have narrowed down the selections to:

    Bears
    Packers
    49ers
    Saints
    Browns
    Colts

    I have eliminated all others for various reasons, unis being a key factor. Please provide pros/cons as to why I should make your team “my team”. Thanks uniwatch![/quote]

    I would seriously suggest one of these three teams for you; Patriots, Cowboys, or, Steelers. You would fit right in with most of their fans.[/quote]

    Not to mention Duke Basketball, Red Sox & Celtics.

  • leon | September 15, 2009 at 2:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”348060″][quote comment=”348054″][quote comment=”348051″][quote comment=”348049″]I will be spray painting a Refrigerator, so i don’t have much choice in terms of availability of paint, and or mixing of colors..

    Not putting an orange “72” on that also, are you?[/quote]

    ummmm no.

    Big blue star is the plan.[/quote]

    why din’t ya just say so ;)

    get the pantone #s and take ’em to your paint store…im sure they can match ’em

    and if not, you can always go with fern green[/quote]

    However those pantone #s will come in handy for the rest of the room if Home depot has discontinued its team colors line. Thanks!

    (and when i do giants room i’ll use fern green.)[/quote]

    Put a fresh bulb in that baby, too!

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 2:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”348060″](and when i do giants room i’ll use fern green.)[/quote]

    just sayin

  • Hott Rodd | September 15, 2009 at 2:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”348063″][quote comment=”348060″](and when i do giants room i’ll use fern green.)[/quote]

    just sayin[/quote]

    work filters. what is it?

    (the good news that this is all related to is that we are getting ready to close on our first house and my awesome wife is actually going to let me paint a room in Cowboys colors, and put a beer fridge in)

  • Gusto44 | September 15, 2009 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”348034″][quote comment=”347989″][quote comment=”347960″][quote comment=”347920″][quote comment=”347902″]Dwight,
    I’m not sure there’s really any excuse for rooting for anyone other than (1) the team from your original home, or (2) the team from your current home. Likewise, changing teams for any reason is seriously frowned upon in some circles. That said, this issue often comes up in various Premier League and other Euro soccer forums, where Americans with no geographic or family history links to any team are go looking for a team to support. The answer is always: You don’t choose your team, your team chooses you. It has to come from the heart, not the brain.[/quote]

    So true Perry. Yet, there are those rare stray Cupid strikes, which happened to me, where this 8 year old boy fell in love with his team(2,700 miles away) solely because of their cool helmet , and eccentric/exciting playing style; circa 1977-78. Now, my team has had many changes, yet, I will always be devoted to them(insert anthemic music).

    Don’t know what it is that makes one devoted to their team, yet, I do know it can be magical. [/quote]

    I’m always interested to learn why people believe the Steelers have a lot of bandwagon fans. Now I think I see where you’re coming from. I imagine, in your case, it has something to do with all the Black and Gold in this picture:

    http://static.panora...

    Perfect example, thanks Bernard. I only wish Seahawk fans had a mere 4 hour drive to their first Super Bowl. Interestingly though, with the Steeler’s history, and the way bandwagoners cling to glory’s past(trash talking safety nets), there probably would still be a greater number of so called Steeler fans.[/quote]

    I love it when people throw around the 4 hour drive, as if every fan in attendance that day drove from Pittsburgh. It looked to me like Raymond James was pretty full of Steelers fans last year too… I guess bandwagon fans don’t mind an 18 hour drive, either.[/quote]

    Exactly. People forget the Rams should have had a big home field advantage for Super Bowl 14, but it didn’t happen. That game was held at the Rose Bowl. Inevitably, like any sports team with a rich tradition of winning, there will be bandwagon fans. Jealous fans of other teams fail to realize the majority of Steelers fans across the country are actually from Pittsburgh, but were forced to leave the city during the bad economic times of the 1970s and 1980s.
    Have to laugh at that “clinging to the past” comment. I guess we shouldn’t remember the only franchise to win 4 super bowls in 6 years and back to back twice. Oh, and the present and future looks pretty good too. I think a 36 year old head coach, and a 27 year old quarterback who has outperformed John Elway at this stage in his career would agree.

  • rpm | September 15, 2009 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”347991″][quote comment=”347981″][/quote]

    What medium are you using and what are you trying to reproduce? I think you will probably disappointed with cobalt blue to replace either navy or royal. It is much brighter, with more white and yellow tone. You might be able to mix cobalt with a black and burnt sienna to get an effect similar to navy. Navy is your darkest, then royal, then cobalt in terms of brightness. Feel free to email me for more info on various media. Acrylic navy will not look the same as RIT navy, etc.[/quote]
    son of a saginaw fisherman, excellent advice.

    and a big fyi to party members, you won’t be getting anything jesco was on, they are going to austin texas. apparently a package didn’t arrive(and i believe him), one that i know i stuffed and sent too because it was an odd, and large request. anyway, that just might bankrupt/disillusion the revolution after this last order, but we will see. no i had no not responsible for disclaimer, nor would i hide behind it anyway. thank you usps for kicking me in the balls. fuuuuuck!

  • Steve Naismith | September 15, 2009 at 2:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”347970″]Regarding the warning labels on/not on helmets, I would imagine that they opted for cream color lettering with a clear background vs. total removal. Teams I guess have the money to remove them and purchase replacement helmets, but removing that decal voids the warranty and *may* (I\’ll look into this more) strip Riddell of any responsibility in case of injury. So, I\’d imagine that those decals were there, but I may be wrong.[/quote]
    This is an interesting take, but I can’t imagine removing a sticker would a) void a warranty or 2) that NFL teams even care about a warranty. Still, I’d love to know why the hell these stupid stickers can’t be affixed INSIDE the helmet.

  • Curtis | September 15, 2009 at 2:56 pm |

    Ray Elgaard and Jeff Fairholm of the Saskatchewan Roughriders started wearing the “glass cutter” gloves in mid to late 80s. Jim Sandusky, who played with Edmonton and BC took the idea of the sticky glass cutter material and made a tighter glove, which are the modern day “Cutter” brand gloves.

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 2:57 pm |

    [quote]work filters. what is it?[/quote]

    just u-tube vid…watch it when ya get home

  • M.Princip | September 15, 2009 at 3:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”348034″][quote comment=”347989″][quote comment=”347960″][quote comment=”347920″][quote comment=”347902″]Dwight,
    I’m not sure there’s really any excuse for rooting for anyone other than (1) the team from your original home, or (2) the team from your current home. Likewise, changing teams for any reason is seriously frowned upon in some circles. That said, this issue often comes up in various Premier League and other Euro soccer forums, where Americans with no geographic or family history links to any team are go looking for a team to support. The answer is always: You don’t choose your team, your team chooses you. It has to come from the heart, not the brain.[/quote]

    So true Perry. Yet, there are those rare stray Cupid strikes, which happened to me, where this 8 year old boy fell in love with his team(2,700 miles away) solely because of their cool helmet , and eccentric/exciting playing style; circa 1977-78. Now, my team has had many changes, yet, I will always be devoted to them(insert anthemic music).

    Don’t know what it is that makes one devoted to their team, yet, I do know it can be magical. [/quote]

    I’m always interested to learn why people believe the Steelers have a lot of bandwagon fans. Now I think I see where you’re coming from. I imagine, in your case, it has something to do with all the Black and Gold in this picture:

    http://static.panora...

    Perfect example, thanks Bernard. I only wish Seahawk fans had a mere 4 hour drive to their first Super Bowl. Interestingly though, with the Steeler’s history, and the way bandwagoners cling to glory’s past(trash talking safety nets), there probably would still be a greater number of so called Steeler fans.[/quote]

    I love it when people throw around the 4 hour drive, as if every fan in attendance that day drove from Pittsburgh. It looked to me like Raymond James was pretty full of Steelers fans last year too… I guess bandwagon fans don’t mind an 18 hour drive, either.[/quote]

    “I guess bandwagon fans don’t mind an 18 hour drive, either.”

    Why would they mind when they know there will be safety in numbers. I’m sure they’d have multiple points along the way to pick up those “terrible towels” also(marketing/merchandise). It’s like pop music, sort’ve nauseating this bandwagon phenomenon.

  • M.Princip | September 15, 2009 at 3:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”348065″][quote comment=”348034″][quote comment=”347989″][quote comment=”347960″][quote comment=”347920″][quote comment=”347902″]Dwight,
    I’m not sure there’s really any excuse for rooting for anyone other than (1) the team from your original home, or (2) the team from your current home. Likewise, changing teams for any reason is seriously frowned upon in some circles. That said, this issue often comes up in various Premier League and other Euro soccer forums, where Americans with no geographic or family history links to any team are go looking for a team to support. The answer is always: You don’t choose your team, your team chooses you. It has to come from the heart, not the brain.[/quote]

    So true Perry. Yet, there are those rare stray Cupid strikes, which happened to me, where this 8 year old boy fell in love with his team(2,700 miles away) solely because of their cool helmet , and eccentric/exciting playing style; circa 1977-78. Now, my team has had many changes, yet, I will always be devoted to them(insert anthemic music).

    Don’t know what it is that makes one devoted to their team, yet, I do know it can be magical. [/quote]

    I’m always interested to learn why people believe the Steelers have a lot of bandwagon fans. Now I think I see where you’re coming from. I imagine, in your case, it has something to do with all the Black and Gold in this picture:

    http://static.panora...

    Perfect example, thanks Bernard. I only wish Seahawk fans had a mere 4 hour drive to their first Super Bowl. Interestingly though, with the Steeler’s history, and the way bandwagoners cling to glory’s past(trash talking safety nets), there probably would still be a greater number of so called Steeler fans.[/quote]

    I love it when people throw around the 4 hour drive, as if every fan in attendance that day drove from Pittsburgh. It looked to me like Raymond James was pretty full of Steelers fans last year too… I guess bandwagon fans don’t mind an 18 hour drive, either.[/quote]

    Exactly. People forget the Rams should have had a big home field advantage for Super Bowl 14, but it didn’t happen. That game was held at the Rose Bowl. Inevitably, like any sports team with a rich tradition of winning, there will be bandwagon fans. Jealous fans of other teams fail to realize the majority of Steelers fans across the country are actually from Pittsburgh, but were forced to leave the city during the bad economic times of the 1970s and 1980s.
    Have to laugh at that “clinging to the past” comment. I guess we shouldn’t remember the only franchise to win 4 super bowls in 6 years and back to back twice. Oh, and the present and future looks pretty good too. I think a 36 year old head coach, and a 27 year old quarterback who has outperformed John Elway at this stage in his career would agree.[/quote]

    This is so typical, trying to make a quick counter point, whilst conveniently omitting my original point…. lol. I wasn’t denying, or, saying you shouldn’t remember the past. Only a dumbass bandwagoner would do that. I was saying, that the majority of bandwagon fans use the “glories of the past” as a safety net in their trash talking.

  • Gusto44 | September 15, 2009 at 3:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”348070″][quote comment=”348034″][quote comment=”347989″][quote comment=”347960″][quote comment=”347920″][quote comment=”347902″]Dwight,
    I’m not sure there’s really any excuse for rooting for anyone other than (1) the team from your original home, or (2) the team from your current home. Likewise, changing teams for any reason is seriously frowned upon in some circles. That said, this issue often comes up in various Premier League and other Euro soccer forums, where Americans with no geographic or family history links to any team are go looking for a team to support. The answer is always: You don’t choose your team, your team chooses you. It has to come from the heart, not the brain.[/quote]

    So true Perry. Yet, there are those rare stray Cupid strikes, which happened to me, where this 8 year old boy fell in love with his team(2,700 miles away) solely because of their cool helmet , and eccentric/exciting playing style; circa 1977-78. Now, my team has had many changes, yet, I will always be devoted to them(insert anthemic music).

    Don’t know what it is that makes one devoted to their team, yet, I do know it can be magical. [/quote]

    I’m always interested to learn why people believe the Steelers have a lot of bandwagon fans. Now I think I see where you’re coming from. I imagine, in your case, it has something to do with all the Black and Gold in this picture:

    http://static.panora...

    Perfect example, thanks Bernard. I only wish Seahawk fans had a mere 4 hour drive to their first Super Bowl. Interestingly though, with the Steeler’s history, and the way bandwagoners cling to glory’s past(trash talking safety nets), there probably would still be a greater number of so called Steeler fans.[/quote]

    I love it when people throw around the 4 hour drive, as if every fan in attendance that day drove from Pittsburgh. It looked to me like Raymond James was pretty full of Steelers fans last year too… I guess bandwagon fans don’t mind an 18 hour drive, either.[/quote]

    “I guess bandwagon fans don’t mind an 18 hour drive, either.”

    Why would they mind when they know there will be safety in numbers. I’m sure they’d have multiple points along the way to pick up those “terrible towels” also(marketing/merchandise). It’s like pop music, sort’ve nauseating this bandwagon phenomenon.[/quote]

    Hey, proceeds of the Terrible Towel go to charity, and it’s a great way to support Sixburgh.
    Diehard Steeler fans don’t need safety in numbers, either. I’ve proudly worn my gear in other cities, only dirty look I ever received was in Ohio……..

  • James Craven | September 15, 2009 at 3:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”347862″]“Nice pic of the numbers on the back of a ref’s uni:”
    http://cache.boston....

    The originals were dark blue with white trim, not “Chinese Red Orange” with blue trim.

  • M.Princip | September 15, 2009 at 3:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”348072″][quote comment=”348070″][quote comment=”348034″][quote comment=”347989″][quote comment=”347960″][quote comment=”347920″][quote comment=”347902″]Dwight,
    I’m not sure there’s really any excuse for rooting for anyone other than (1) the team from your original home, or (2) the team from your current home. Likewise, changing teams for any reason is seriously frowned upon in some circles. That said, this issue often comes up in various Premier League and other Euro soccer forums, where Americans with no geographic or family history links to any team are go looking for a team to support. The answer is always: You don’t choose your team, your team chooses you. It has to come from the heart, not the brain.[/quote]

    So true Perry. Yet, there are those rare stray Cupid strikes, which happened to me, where this 8 year old boy fell in love with his team(2,700 miles away) solely because of their cool helmet , and eccentric/exciting playing style; circa 1977-78. Now, my team has had many changes, yet, I will always be devoted to them(insert anthemic music).

    Don’t know what it is that makes one devoted to their team, yet, I do know it can be magical. [/quote]

    I’m always interested to learn why people believe the Steelers have a lot of bandwagon fans. Now I think I see where you’re coming from. I imagine, in your case, it has something to do with all the Black and Gold in this picture:

    http://static.panora...

    Perfect example, thanks Bernard. I only wish Seahawk fans had a mere 4 hour drive to their first Super Bowl. Interestingly though, with the Steeler’s history, and the way bandwagoners cling to glory’s past(trash talking safety nets), there probably would still be a greater number of so called Steeler fans.[/quote]

    I love it when people throw around the 4 hour drive, as if every fan in attendance that day drove from Pittsburgh. It looked to me like Raymond James was pretty full of Steelers fans last year too… I guess bandwagon fans don’t mind an 18 hour drive, either.[/quote]

    “I guess bandwagon fans don’t mind an 18 hour drive, either.”

    Why would they mind when they know there will be safety in numbers. I’m sure they’d have multiple points along the way to pick up those “terrible towels” also(marketing/merchandise). It’s like pop music, sort’ve nauseating this bandwagon phenomenon.[/quote]

    Hey, proceeds of the Terrible Towel go to charity, and it’s a great way to support Sixburgh.
    Diehard Steeler fans don’t need safety in numbers, either. I’ve proudly worn my gear in other cities, only dirty look I ever received was in Ohio……..[/quote]

    No no no……wow, you just don’t get it!!! Not safety as in, getting your ass kicked, yet, saftey as in; “I hope people like me and I’m afraid to be a loser? I better get a huge pickup truck with huge tires, and a hangin’ ball sack. Or, easier and cheaper, get a Steelers jersey.

  • rpm | September 15, 2009 at 3:32 pm |

    always loved when people get upset about “bandwagon” fans, as if anyone has the right to sanction if someone else can root for a team. when i was a kid, in addition to bert jones and my bawlmer coats, i rooted for the buccs and browns, i guess because i liked orange, still do. as i grew older, in addition to my geographic home teams i rooted for lots of teams here and there because they were compelling, or had players i liked like chuck muncie. don’t know if i would have called myself a fanatic, but i rooted for them. EVERYONE jumped onto the wagon of a team at some point since none of us owned pennants before our birth. it’s silly for anyone to try to qualify who gets to root for any team, or count years and notches like badges. dwight, root for whomever you want, but if the reason you are abandoning the texans is because they loose, you’re a big pussy.

  • Bernard | September 15, 2009 at 3:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”348074″][quote comment=”348072″][quote comment=”348070″][quote comment=”348034″][quote comment=”347989″][quote comment=”347960″][quote comment=”347920″][quote comment=”347902″]Dwight,
    I’m not sure there’s really any excuse for rooting for anyone other than (1) the team from your original home, or (2) the team from your current home. Likewise, changing teams for any reason is seriously frowned upon in some circles. That said, this issue often comes up in various Premier League and other Euro soccer forums, where Americans with no geographic or family history links to any team are go looking for a team to support. The answer is always: You don’t choose your team, your team chooses you. It has to come from the heart, not the brain.[/quote]

    So true Perry. Yet, there are those rare stray Cupid strikes, which happened to me, where this 8 year old boy fell in love with his team(2,700 miles away) solely because of their cool helmet , and eccentric/exciting playing style; circa 1977-78. Now, my team has had many changes, yet, I will always be devoted to them(insert anthemic music).

    Don’t know what it is that makes one devoted to their team, yet, I do know it can be magical. [/quote]

    I’m always interested to learn why people believe the Steelers have a lot of bandwagon fans. Now I think I see where you’re coming from. I imagine, in your case, it has something to do with all the Black and Gold in this picture:

    http://static.panora...

    Perfect example, thanks Bernard. I only wish Seahawk fans had a mere 4 hour drive to their first Super Bowl. Interestingly though, with the Steeler’s history, and the way bandwagoners cling to glory’s past(trash talking safety nets), there probably would still be a greater number of so called Steeler fans.[/quote]

    I love it when people throw around the 4 hour drive, as if every fan in attendance that day drove from Pittsburgh. It looked to me like Raymond James was pretty full of Steelers fans last year too… I guess bandwagon fans don’t mind an 18 hour drive, either.[/quote]

    “I guess bandwagon fans don’t mind an 18 hour drive, either.”

    Why would they mind when they know there will be safety in numbers. I’m sure they’d have multiple points along the way to pick up those “terrible towels” also(marketing/merchandise). It’s like pop music, sort’ve nauseating this bandwagon phenomenon.[/quote]

    Hey, proceeds of the Terrible Towel go to charity, and it’s a great way to support Sixburgh.
    Diehard Steeler fans don’t need safety in numbers, either. I’ve proudly worn my gear in other cities, only dirty look I ever received was in Ohio……..[/quote]

    No no no……wow, you just don’t get it!!! Not safety as in, getting your ass kicked, yet, saftey as in; “I hope people like me and I’m afraid to be a loser? I better get a huge pickup truck with huge tires, and a hangin’ ball sack. Or, easier and cheaper, get a Steelers jersey.[/quote]

    Wow… that smacks of a whole different type of elitism.

    That’s all for me. I’ll leave you to your (misguided, stereotypical, bitter) thoughts.

  • JimV19 | September 15, 2009 at 3:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”348075″]always loved when people get upset about “bandwagon” fans, as if anyone has the right to sanction if someone else can root for a team. when i was a kid, in addition to bert jones and my bawlmer coats, i rooted for the buccs and browns, i guess because i liked orange, still do. as i grew older, in addition to my geographic home teams i rooted for lots of teams here and there because they were compelling, or had players i liked like chuck muncie. don’t know if i would have called myself a fanatic, but i rooted for them. EVERYONE jumped onto the wagon of a team at some point since none of us owned pennants before our birth. it’s silly for anyone to try to qualify who gets to root for any team, or count years and notches like badges. dwight, root for whomever you want, but if the reason you are abandoning the texans is because they loose, you’re a big pussy.[/quote]

    Very well put, oh generalissimo of the stirrup revolution! That reminds me, how long do I have to decide if I want a Pirates or Senators ‘rup?

    Chuck Muncie, the pride of Uniontown, PA! http://static.nfl.co...
    Was he the inspiration for your choice of glasses? http://farm4.static....

  • JTH | September 15, 2009 at 3:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”348077″][quote comment=”348075″]always loved when people get upset about “bandwagon” fans, as if anyone has the right to sanction if someone else can root for a team. when i was a kid, in addition to bert jones and my bawlmer coats, i rooted for the buccs and browns, i guess because i liked orange, still do. as i grew older, in addition to my geographic home teams i rooted for lots of teams here and there because they were compelling, or had players i liked like chuck muncie. don’t know if i would have called myself a fanatic, but i rooted for them. EVERYONE jumped onto the wagon of a team at some point since none of us owned pennants before our birth. it’s silly for anyone to try to qualify who gets to root for any team, or count years and notches like badges. dwight, root for whomever you want, but if the reason you are abandoning the texans is because they loose, you’re a big pussy.[/quote]

    Very well put, oh generalissimo of the stirrup revolution! That reminds me, how long do I have to decide if I want a Pirates or Senators ‘rup?

    Chuck Muncie, the pride of Uniontown, PA! http://static.nfl.co...
    Was he the inspiration for your choice of glasses? http://farm4.static....
    Chuck Muncie was the reason I glommed onto the Chargers as a lad. I also wore my glasses when I played so he was a natural role model.

    Their unis at the time weren’t too shabby, either. Y’all can keep the powder blue or the navy. These are where it’s at for the Chargers in my book.

  • david | September 15, 2009 at 3:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”347870″]
    The Bills look better last night but that throwback while it may be historically acurate is a disaster. The helmet stripe dosen’t match the sleeve stripe which is different than the pants stripe and still different than the socks stripe.[/quote]

    Amen my friend same with the pat’s throwbacks… no harmony. Just because they are old doesn’t make them good. What makes a good uniform good is consistency through out on all unis like the florida gators uniforms. The stripes match all over… cant be said for the pats and bills uni’s which are messy.

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 3:58 pm |

    i always thought roberto got his occular inspiration from the big o

  • The Hemogoblin | September 15, 2009 at 3:58 pm |

    RE: The Bill Davidson memorial patches:

    Since I’m lazy as hell and don’t feel like sifting through all of the comments, didn’t one of the ACC basketball teams but a black memorial stripe on the back of their necks for someone?

  • pflava | September 15, 2009 at 4:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”348078″][quote comment=”348077″][quote comment=”348075″]
    Chuck Muncie, the pride of Uniontown, PA! http://static.nfl.co...
    Was he the inspiration for your choice of glasses? http://farm4.static....
    Chuck Muncie was the reason I glommed onto the Chargers as a lad. I also wore my glasses when I played so he was a natural role model.

    Their unis at the time weren’t too shabby, either. Y’all can keep the powder blue or the navy. These are where it’s at for the Chargers in my book.[/quote]

    Agreed. Those uniforms were the BOMB, and were my favorites as a kid.

  • rpm | September 15, 2009 at 4:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”348077″][quote comment=”348075″]always loved when people get upset about “bandwagon” fans, as if anyone has the right to sanction if someone else can root for a team. when i was a kid, in addition to bert jones and my bawlmer coats, i rooted for the buccs and browns, i guess because i liked orange, still do. as i grew older, in addition to my geographic home teams i rooted for lots of teams here and there because they were compelling, or had players i liked like chuck muncie. don’t know if i would have called myself a fanatic, but i rooted for them. EVERYONE jumped onto the wagon of a team at some point since none of us owned pennants before our birth. it’s silly for anyone to try to qualify who gets to root for any team, or count years and notches like badges. dwight, root for whomever you want, but if the reason you are abandoning the texans is because they loose, you’re a big pussy.[/quote]

    Very well put, oh generalissimo of the stirrup revolution! That reminds me, how long do I have to decide if I want a Pirates or Senators ‘rup?

    Chuck Muncie, the pride of Uniontown, PA! http://static.nfl.co...
    Was he the inspiration for your choice of glasses? http://farm4.static....

    don’t be silly, of cousre he was. i call them my chuck muncie’s, always have. when i found them in a second hand store i just about plotzed.

    you have until the end of next week on stirrup orders. i want to wait until the cubs/sox come in in case anybody is hesitant.

  • Greg V. | September 15, 2009 at 4:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”348028″]For those of us still willing to admit that we are Bengal fans, we can sport a new version of the Helmet hat!

    http://proshop.benga...

    I saw that hat at the Pro-Shop the other day. It would prevent us from wearing the official headwear of Bengals fans though.

    http://blogs.voices....

  • M.Princip | September 15, 2009 at 4:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”348078″][quote comment=”348077″][quote comment=”348075″]always loved when people get upset about “bandwagon” fans, as if anyone has the right to sanction if someone else can root for a team. when i was a kid, in addition to bert jones and my bawlmer coats, i rooted for the buccs and browns, i guess because i liked orange, still do. as i grew older, in addition to my geographic home teams i rooted for lots of teams here and there because they were compelling, or had players i liked like chuck muncie. don’t know if i would have called myself a fanatic, but i rooted for them. EVERYONE jumped onto the wagon of a team at some point since none of us owned pennants before our birth. it’s silly for anyone to try to qualify who gets to root for any team, or count years and notches like badges. dwight, root for whomever you want, but if the reason you are abandoning the texans is because they loose, you’re a big pussy.[/quote]

    Very well put, oh generalissimo of the stirrup revolution! That reminds me, how long do I have to decide if I want a Pirates or Senators ‘rup?

    Chuck Muncie, the pride of Uniontown, PA! http://static.nfl.co...
    Was he the inspiration for your choice of glasses? http://farm4.static....
    Chuck Muncie was the reason I glommed onto the Chargers as a lad. I also wore my glasses when I played so he was a natural role model.

    Their unis at the time weren’t too shabby, either. Y’all can keep the powder blue or the navy. These are where it’s at for the Chargers in my book.[/quote]

    I love that Goggles Pizano look as well; Joe Washington & Eric Dickerson preach on!!!

  • rpm | September 15, 2009 at 4:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”348080″]i always thought roberto got his occular inspiration from the big o[/quote]

    the friends of mine that don’t follow sports make that comparison.

  • Steve | September 15, 2009 at 4:08 pm |

    Living in Scotland all my life and following Celtic FC for three decades of my thirty four and a bit years, I’d say that they are “my” team and always will be for better or worse.

    However, I like to watch North American sports but it would be a lie to say that there’s anything like the same strong emotional attachment with teams I favour. Until recently, I defined my viewing by teams I didn’t like… whom, without naming names, seem to be on the universal hate list.

    As I’ve invested in some Seahawks gear in the last year, I’d pretty much say I’m a fan of that team. Reasons for picking them out of all others? I like the North West geographical location as it seems like some place I could live, the logo (old and new), the name and what seems from afar as a respect for their fans.

    I also dig the neon green trim. That swung it.

    Cool colours can’t be underestimated. When the NFL was first broadcast in the UK, the Raiders were the team of the playground!

  • Jim Bullard | September 15, 2009 at 4:08 pm |

    Paul,

    Could not disagree with you more about the baseball diamond at Oakland last night. It makes the entire franchise look amateurish to me. With so many people having High Def TV’s and the game being on a national primetime stage, I’m flabbergasted the NFL chose that game for the first MNF night of the season.

    It was so hidious to me, I had trouble watching it. I’m not exaggerating either.

  • Jeff P | September 15, 2009 at 4:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”348067″][quote comment=”347970″]Regarding the warning labels on/not on helmets, I would imagine that they opted for cream color lettering with a clear background vs. total removal. Teams I guess have the money to remove them and purchase replacement helmets, but removing that decal voids the warranty and *may* (I\’ll look into this more) strip Riddell of any responsibility in case of injury. So, I\’d imagine that those decals were there, but I may be wrong.[/quote]
    This is an interesting take, but I can’t imagine removing a sticker would a) void a warranty or 2) that NFL teams even care about a warranty. Still, I’d love to know why the hell these stupid stickers can’t be affixed INSIDE the helmet.[/quote]

    It does on hockey helmets. They come with certification stickers, and if you take those suckers off, they’re no longer certified, and they can’t be worn in some leagues. Also, if you get a serious injury the team is liable rather then the helmet manufacturer if the helmet is defective.

    Other things that void the certification include paint, stickers and tape that hasn’t been tested with the plastic of the helmet and certified with the adhesive on, and since there’s a $10,000 fee to certify any helmet configuration- yes, configuration, it’s not gonna ever be certified. And yes, configuration. Each Cage helmet combination must be tested individually if you want to certify the damned thing.

    So yes, if they take them off Riddel doens’t have any responsibility for what happens. However, I’m betting that they stay on there because equipment managers decide it’s just too much trouble to take them off.

  • rpm | September 15, 2009 at 4:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”348088″]Paul,

    Could not disagree with you more about the baseball diamond at Oakland last night. It makes the entire franchise look amateurish to me. With so many people having High Def TV’s and the game being on a national primetime stage, I’m flabbergasted the NFL chose that game for the first MNF night of the season.

    i couldn’t see the game because i don’t have cable, but this must be a generational thing, ’cause you’re nuts fella:) and what does high def have to do with anything? does dirt look different on my crap~ass set?

    It was so hidious to me, I had trouble watching it. I’m not exaggerating either.[/quote]

  • rpm | September 15, 2009 at 4:19 pm |

    god bless america, i broke it again.
    jim~
    i couldn’t see the game because i don’t have cable, but this must be a generational thing, ’cause you’re nuts fella:) and what does high def have to do with anything? does dirt look different on my crap~ass set?

  • JimV19 | September 15, 2009 at 4:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”348087″]Living in Scotland all my life and following Celtic FC for three decades of my thirty four and a bit years, I’d say that they are “my” team and always will be for better or worse.

    However, I like to watch North American sports but it would be a lie to say that there’s anything like the same strong emotional attachment with teams I favour. Until recently, I defined my viewing by teams I didn’t like… whom, without naming names, seem to be on the universal hate list.

    As I’ve invested in some Seahawks gear in the last year, I’d pretty much say I’m a fan of that team. Reasons for picking them out of all others? I like the North West geographical location as it seems like some place I could live, the logo (old and new), the name and what seems from afar as a respect for their fans.

    I also dig the neon green trim. That swung it.

    Cool colours can’t be underestimated. When the NFL was first broadcast in the UK, the Raiders were the team of the playground![/quote]

    I have a Celtic jersey myself, Steve. I miss Henrik Larsson and Maciej Zurawski.

    Hmm, the Celtic away jersey http://www.onionbag.... gives me an idea…Hey Phil, can you whip up the Hawks with blue and green hoops?

  • Tall Paul | September 15, 2009 at 4:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”347865″]I’d like to an official with a 3-digit number in one of these throwbacks.[/quote]

    Look at this video and pause it at the 54 second mark. It’s a little blurry, but it’s the best I’ve found so far… http://www.buffalobi...

  • Jim Bullard | September 15, 2009 at 4:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”348090″][quote comment=”348088″]Paul,

    Could not disagree with you more about the baseball diamond at Oakland last night. It makes the entire franchise look amateurish to me. With so many people having High Def TV’s and the game being on a national primetime stage, I’m flabbergasted the NFL chose that game for the first MNF night of the season.

    i couldn’t see the game because i don’t have cable, but this must be a generational thing, ’cause you’re nuts fella:) and what does high def have to do with anything? does dirt look different on my crap~ass set?

    It was so hidious to me, I had trouble watching it. I’m not exaggerating either.[/quote][/quote]

    Yeah, it probably is a generational thing, because my buddies also all remarked at hating seeing the infield on the gridiron.

    The HD does make a difference to me, and in the interest of full disclosure, I am an HD snob ever since getting one last year. Seeing beautiful grass in HD is awesome, seeing tampered baseball dirt is not in its place is not. Many of the teams who play in artificial turf stadiums look bad in HD too, the St. Louis Rams come to mind.

  • Jim | September 15, 2009 at 4:28 pm |
  • Steve Naismith | September 15, 2009 at 4:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”348089″]
    It does on hockey helmets. They come with certification stickers, and if you take those suckers off, they’re no longer certified, and they can’t be worn in some leagues. Also, if you get a serious injury the team is liable rather then the helmet manufacturer if the helmet is defective.

    Other things that void the certification include paint, stickers and tape that hasn’t been tested with the plastic of the helmet and certified with the adhesive on, and since there’s a $10,000 fee to certify any helmet configuration- yes, configuration, it’s not gonna ever be certified. And yes, configuration. Each Cage helmet combination must be tested individually if you want to certify the damned thing.

    So yes, if they take them off Riddel doens’t have any responsibility for what happens. However, I’m betting that they stay on there because equipment managers decide it’s just too much trouble to take them off.[/quote]

    Mass paranoia to the extreme. If you don’t realize you can get seriously hurt or possibly die by playing football or hockey, your head must be in the sand anyway. Again, I don’t understand why the Warning sticker can’t be on the inside… and I also have a VERY hard time believing that any US court would alter their judgment for liability on a particular case based on whether or not a freaking sticker was removed.

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 4:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”348093″][quote comment=”347865″]I’d like to an official with a 3-digit number in one of these throwbacks.[/quote]

    Look at this video and pause it at the 54 second mark. It’s a little blurry, but it’s the best I’ve found so far… http://www.buffalobi...

    nice!

    screen grab

  • Tall Paul | September 15, 2009 at 4:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”348093″][quote comment=”347865″]I’d like to an official with a 3-digit number in one of these throwbacks.[/quote]

    Look at this video and pause it at the 54 second mark. It’s a little blurry, but it’s the best I’ve found so far… http://www.buffalobi...

    This one is the same clip but much clearer…anywhere in there from the 1:00 to 1:03 mark… http://www.buffalobi...

  • Squiddie | September 15, 2009 at 4:34 pm |

    1. Bear Down, Chicago Bears (performed by Bryan Griffin of the Lyric Opera of Chicago)

    2. Chad Ocho Cinco was twittering about the unis last night. As he put it, “Man I’m more intersted in the damn uniforms the bills and pats have than the game”

    3. This is a long shot, but does anyone recognize the hat Norm Borlaug is wearing in this photo? It was probably taken after he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1970. Might be a non-sport had, but it looks familiar.

  • Steve Naismith | September 15, 2009 at 4:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”348099″]3. This is a long shot, but does anyone recognize the hat Norm Borlaug is wearing in this photo? It was probably taken after he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1970. Might be a non-sport had, but it looks familiar.[/quote]
    http://www.mickeyspl...

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 4:47 pm |

    Idiot on ESPN’s Sports Nation just went off about how horrible the AFL unis were on the officials Monday night. Said officials are “symbols of authority” blah blah blah, and should never dress like that.

    Well, thank god he’s on the case. Let’s send a strong letter to Joe Foss and back date it 50 years. Get this abhorrant sitation rectified.

    Then also asked, “What did fans think of those new Bills uniforms?” They were new?

    What a knothead. Totally doesn’t get it. His clear and thorough understanding (eyeroll)is what should be “rectified”.

    —Ricko

  • Brad | September 15, 2009 at 4:49 pm |

    Paul – ive got a gloves related question you can address; why do so many college and pro d-backs play with their gloves un-velcroed?

  • JTH | September 15, 2009 at 4:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”348099″]1. Bear Down, Chicago Bears (performed by Bryan Griffin of the Lyric Opera of Chicago)
    [/quote]
    One of my friends who made the trip up to Green Bay with me this past weekend was trying desperately to pull up that clip on his iPhone but apparently the network coverage was a bit lacking up there.

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 4:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”348094″][quote comment=”348090″][quote comment=”348088″]Paul,

    Could not disagree with you more about the baseball diamond at Oakland last night. It makes the entire franchise look amateurish to me. With so many people having High Def TV’s and the game being on a national primetime stage, I’m flabbergasted the NFL chose that game for the first MNF night of the season.

    i couldn’t see the game because i don’t have cable, but this must be a generational thing, ’cause you’re nuts fella:) and what does high def have to do with anything? does dirt look different on my crap~ass set?

    It was so hidious to me, I had trouble watching it. I’m not exaggerating either.[/quote][/quote]

    Yeah, it probably is a generational thing, because my buddies also all remarked at hating seeing the infield on the gridiron.

    The HD does make a difference to me, and in the interest of full disclosure, I am an HD snob ever since getting one last year. Seeing beautiful grass in HD is awesome, seeing tampered baseball dirt is not in its place is not. Many of the teams who play in artificial turf stadiums look bad in HD too, the St. Louis Rams come to mind.[/quote]

    “You mean the world as I know it isn’t the way it’s always been? You mean I should look at dirt and learn something about the history of this game on which I am, at the age of 27, already a consumate expert. Besides, anything that happened in the world before I was born is totally unimportant because, well, obviously…I wasn’t in it yet.”

  • rpm | September 15, 2009 at 4:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”348094″][quote comment=”348090″][quote comment=”348088″]Paul,

    Could not disagree with you more about the baseball diamond at Oakland last night. It makes the entire franchise look amateurish to me. With so many people having High Def TV’s and the game being on a national primetime stage, I’m flabbergasted the NFL chose that game for the first MNF night of the season.

    i couldn’t see the game because i don’t have cable, but this must be a generational thing, ’cause you’re nuts fella:) and what does high def have to do with anything? does dirt look different on my crap~ass set?

    It was so hidious to me, I had trouble watching it. I’m not exaggerating either.[/quote][/quote]

    Yeah, it probably is a generational thing, because my buddies also all remarked at hating seeing the infield on the gridiron.

    The HD does make a difference to me, and in the interest of full disclosure, I am an HD snob ever since getting one last year. Seeing beautiful grass in HD is awesome, seeing tampered baseball dirt is not in its place is not. Many of the teams who play in artificial turf stadiums look bad in HD too, the St. Louis Rams come to mind.[/quote]
    but when it rains or snows…awesome on dirt!!

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 5:00 pm |

    Oh, swell, Mr. Sports Nation just went off on how if you’re Einstein or someone you should leave you brain to science, not if you’re just a football player.

    Will someone please tell this schumck the reason players like Matt Birk are doing it is so that scientists/doctors can study, among other things, the affect of repeated concussions.

    Jesus, is this guy a loser. Do some homework, for Christ’s sake.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | September 15, 2009 at 5:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”348094″][quote comment=”348090″][quote comment=”348088″]Paul,

    Could not disagree with you more about the baseball diamond at Oakland last night. It makes the entire franchise look amateurish to me. With so many people having High Def TV’s and the game being on a national primetime stage, I’m flabbergasted the NFL chose that game for the first MNF night of the season.

    i couldn’t see the game because i don’t have cable, but this must be a generational thing, ’cause you’re nuts fella:) and what does high def have to do with anything? does dirt look different on my crap~ass set?

    It was so hidious to me, I had trouble watching it. I’m not exaggerating either.[/quote][/quote]

    Yeah, it probably is a generational thing, because my buddies also all remarked at hating seeing the infield on the gridiron.

    The HD does make a difference to me, and in the interest of full disclosure, I am an HD snob ever since getting one last year. Seeing beautiful grass in HD is awesome, seeing tampered baseball dirt is not in its place is not. Many of the teams who play in artificial turf stadiums look bad in HD too, the St. Louis Rams come to mind.[/quote]

    Still don’t see the big deal with HDTV. Then again I like a little hissing and popping on my records (kids, just picture a giant black CD), as long as they don’t skip. I also like listening to ball games on AM radio and my VCR’s still running fine. Although I’m not totally buried in the past – the iPod I got from Santa is pretty cool.

    Just to clarify, the Raiders ARE amateurish, no matter where they play. Actually, it was a great choice of venues, because kids, that’s the way the game used to be played. Teams had to (shudder) share fields instead of gouging the taxpayers for their own special stadium that sits idle most of the year. Maybe I’m biased because a muddy field made things a little more even for slowpokes like me, but why do today’s brats have to play on a pristine field? Yes, it’s fun watching speedsters, but it’s also fun watching a guy with good moves and balance staying on his feet while his defender slips to the ground, or vice versa.

    Man, I sound as old as Ricko. ;)

  • M.Princip | September 15, 2009 at 5:06 pm |

    I just have to point this out. Totally badass vintage 12 point suspension Ottawa Rough Riders helmet on auction.

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 5:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”348107″][quote comment=”348094″][quote comment=”348090″][quote comment=”348088″]Paul,

    Could not disagree with you more about the baseball diamond at Oakland last night. It makes the entire franchise look amateurish to me. With so many people having High Def TV’s and the game being on a national primetime stage, I’m flabbergasted the NFL chose that game for the first MNF night of the season.

    i couldn’t see the game because i don’t have cable, but this must be a generational thing, ’cause you’re nuts fella:) and what does high def have to do with anything? does dirt look different on my crap~ass set?

    It was so hidious to me, I had trouble watching it. I’m not exaggerating either.[/quote][/quote]

    Yeah, it probably is a generational thing, because my buddies also all remarked at hating seeing the infield on the gridiron.

    The HD does make a difference to me, and in the interest of full disclosure, I am an HD snob ever since getting one last year. Seeing beautiful grass in HD is awesome, seeing tampered baseball dirt is not in its place is not. Many of the teams who play in artificial turf stadiums look bad in HD too, the St. Louis Rams come to mind.[/quote]

    Still don’t see the big deal with HDTV. Then again I like a little hissing and popping on my records (kids, just picture a giant black CD), as long as they don’t skip. I also like listening to ball games on AM radio and my VCR’s still running fine. Although I’m not totally buried in the past – the iPod I got from Santa is pretty cool.

    Just to clarify, the Raiders ARE amateurish, no matter where they play. Actually, it was a great choice of venues, because kids, that’s the way the game used to be played. Teams had to (shudder) share fields instead of gouging the taxpayers for their own special stadium that sits idle most of the year. Maybe I’m biased because a muddy field made things a little more even for slowpokes like me, but why do today’s brats have to play on a pristine field? Yes, it’s fun watching speedsters, but it’s also fun watching a guy with good moves and balance staying on his feet while his defender slips to the ground, or vice versa.

    Man, I sound as old as Ricko. ;)[/quote]

    What is going to be interesting around here, with the Gophers back outdoors and the Twin soon to be, is if kids start understanding the weather doesn’t have to be perfect. Coaching over the years since the Metrodome was built, I have noticed that more and more kids thought a sprinkle should cancel Little League practice. Phone call: “It’s raining a little and kinda cloudy, Mr. Pearson. Are we still gonna have practice?” or worse “…my mom wants to know if we’re still gonna have practice.”

    Yes, lady, we are. Your kid won’t rust.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | September 15, 2009 at 5:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”348108″]I just have to point this out. Totally badass vintage 12 point suspension Ottawa Rough Riders helmet on auction.[/quote]

    That’s kicker Gerry Organ’s helmet! I want it.

  • Tall Paul | September 15, 2009 at 5:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”348098″][quote comment=”348093″][quote comment=”347865″]I’d like to an official with a 3-digit number in one of these throwbacks.[/quote]

    Look at this video and pause it at the 54 second mark. It’s a little blurry, but it’s the best I’ve found so far… http://www.buffalobi...

    This one is the same clip but much clearer…anywhere in there from the 1:00 to 1:03 mark… http://www.buffalobi...

    Phil: Thanks for putting the link to a screen grab from that first video link I posted; can you do that again for this second link? The numbers are much, much clearer on this one. Thanks!

  • Mike Engle | September 15, 2009 at 5:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”348081″]RE: The Bill Davidson memorial patches:

    Since I’m lazy as hell and don’t feel like sifting through all of the comments, didn’t one of the ACC basketball teams but a black memorial stripe on the back of their necks for someone?[/quote]
    Yes. All ACC teams had black strips for the Virginia Tech tragedy. Placement varied from team to team, and UNC placed theirs over the NOB.
    Pictured here:
    http://i.cdn.turner....

  • M.Princip | September 15, 2009 at 5:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”348106″]Oh, swell, Mr. Sports Nation just went off on how if you’re Einstein or someone you should leave you brain to science, not if you’re just a football player.

    Will someone please tell this schumck the reason players like Matt Birk are doing it is so that scientists/doctors can study, among other things, the affect of repeated concussions.

    Jesus, is this guy a loser. Do some homework, for Christ’s sake.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yea, agree Mr.Sports Nation’s clueless.

    I also find it very interesting in that Lofa Tatupu, who was one of the players who agreed to do this, started off his career wearing the newer technology(extended lower jaw shell) Riddell Revolution helmet, then, switched to the older model Riddell(VSR-4) and has used it ever since? There’s even the newest tech. helmet out by Riddell called the Speed(w/more anti concussive tecnhnology). Yet, Lofa still chooses to use the older model VSR-4? If he feels so strongly about football players and their concussions, what does this say on how feels about the newer technology helmets that are supposed to help eliminate them?

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 5:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”348111″][quote comment=”348098″][quote comment=”348093″][quote comment=”347865″]I’d like to an official with a 3-digit number in one of these throwbacks.[/quote]

    Look at this video and pause it at the 54 second mark. It’s a little blurry, but it’s the best I’ve found so far… http://www.buffalobi...

    This one is the same clip but much clearer…anywhere in there from the 1:00 to 1:03 mark… http://www.buffalobi...

    Phil: Thanks for putting the link to a screen grab from that first video link I posted; can you do that again for this second link? The numbers are much, much clearer on this one. Thanks![/quote]

    here

    i don’t think that second vid was different from the first … cuz it happened in the same time (0:55 seconds) as the first

    do you have another link?

  • glen | September 15, 2009 at 5:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”348099″]1. Bear Down, Chicago Bears (performed by Bryan Griffin of the Lyric Opera of Chicago)
    [/quote]

    I definitely thought that was a spoof and that it was will ferrell

  • Tall Paul | September 15, 2009 at 5:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”348114″][quote comment=”348111″][quote comment=”348098″][quote comment=”348093″][quote comment=”347865″]I’d like to an official with a 3-digit number in one of these throwbacks.[/quote]

    Look at this video and pause it at the 54 second mark. It’s a little blurry, but it’s the best I’ve found so far… http://www.buffalobi...

    This one is the same clip but much clearer…anywhere in there from the 1:00 to 1:03 mark… http://www.buffalobi...

    Phil: Thanks for putting the link to a screen grab from that first video link I posted; can you do that again for this second link? The numbers are much, much clearer on this one. Thanks![/quote]

    here

    i don’t think that second vid was different from the first … cuz it happened in the same time (0:55 seconds) as the first

    do you have another link?[/quote]

    At the 55 second mark it’s still blurry; just past that at the 1:00 mark it’s slower and clearer. Thanks.

  • JTH | September 15, 2009 at 5:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”348115″][quote comment=”348099″]1. Bear Down, Chicago Bears (performed by Bryan Griffin of the Lyric Opera of Chicago)
    [/quote]

    I definitely thought that was a spoof and that it was will ferrell[/quote]
    Did you think he was lip syncing or did you think that was him actually singing?

  • Les | September 15, 2009 at 5:38 pm |

    Hi

    Just seen the new Puma Ireland rugby kit http://www.irishrugb... on the IRFU website ,not a huge departure from what CCC have been doing infact if there was no logos on it I would have thought it was a CCC design, The jersey itself is OK probaby better than the previous design ,but the new National Crest is a Disgrace ,much prefairerd the traditional crest ,seems like a change for changes sake.

    Les

  • Tall Paul | September 15, 2009 at 5:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”348116″][quote comment=”348114″][quote comment=”348111″][quote comment=”348098″][quote comment=”348093″][quote comment=”347865″]I’d like to an official with a 3-digit number in one of these throwbacks.[/quote]

    Look at this video and pause it at the 54 second mark. It’s a little blurry, but it’s the best I’ve found so far… http://www.buffalobi...

    This one is the same clip but much clearer…anywhere in there from the 1:00 to 1:03 mark… http://www.buffalobi...

    Phil: Thanks for putting the link to a screen grab from that first video link I posted; can you do that again for this second link? The numbers are much, much clearer on this one. Thanks![/quote]

    here

    i don’t think that second vid was different from the first … cuz it happened in the same time (0:55 seconds) as the first

    do you have another link?[/quote]

    At the 55 second mark it’s still blurry; just past that at the 1:00 mark it’s slower and clearer. Thanks.[/quote]

    Think I found the problem…sorry about that, Phil. Try this link at the 1:02 mark. Thanks.

    http://www.buffalobi...

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 5:39 pm |

    [quote]At the 55 second mark it’s still blurry; just past that at the 1:00 mark it’s slower and clearer. Thanks.[/quote]

    sorry, im not seeing anything different (and at 1:00 to 1:03 is a different play)

    we’ll get a better pic at some point, but great spot on the :55 sec one

  • JTH | September 15, 2009 at 5:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”348109″]Coaching over the years since the Metrodome was built, I have noticed that more and more kids thought a sprinkle should cancel Little League practice. Phone call: “It’s raining a little and kinda cloudy, Mr. Pearson. Are we still gonna have practice?” or worse “…my mom wants to know if we’re still gonna have practice.”

    Yes, lady, we are. Your kid won’t rust.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    I’ll tell you from experience that if there’s even a drop of rain and you’ve got kids in some kind of outdoor activity, CALL TO CONFIRM.

    It’s happened to me more than once on days that no reasonable person would have cancelled practice. I leave work early, fight traffic, pick up my kid and take him to practice only to find out that it’s cancelled.

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 5:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”348119″]Think I found the problem…sorry about that, Phil. Try this link at the 1:02 mark. Thanks.

    http://www.buffalobi...

    yup…different vid

    grab 1

    grab 2

    nice work!

  • LM | September 15, 2009 at 6:00 pm |

    The cream tint to the Patriots white helmet has a very simple explanation.

    The team was wearing (non-painted) white color impregnated helmets.

  • Jim Bullard | September 15, 2009 at 6:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”348109″][quote comment=”348107″][quote comment=”348094″][quote comment=”348090″][quote comment=”348088″]Paul,

    Could not disagree with you more about the baseball diamond at Oakland last night. It makes the entire franchise look amateurish to me. With so many people having High Def TV’s and the game being on a national primetime stage, I’m flabbergasted the NFL chose that game for the first MNF night of the season.

    i couldn’t see the game because i don’t have cable, but this must be a generational thing, ’cause you’re nuts fella:) and what does high def have to do with anything? does dirt look different on my crap~ass set?

    It was so hidious to me, I had trouble watching it. I’m not exaggerating either.[/quote][/quote]

    Yeah, it probably is a generational thing, because my buddies also all remarked at hating seeing the infield on the gridiron.

    The HD does make a difference to me, and in the interest of full disclosure, I am an HD snob ever since getting one last year. Seeing beautiful grass in HD is awesome, seeing tampered baseball dirt is not in its place is not. Many of the teams who play in artificial turf stadiums look bad in HD too, the St. Louis Rams come to mind.[/quote]

    Still don’t see the big deal with HDTV. Then again I like a little hissing and popping on my records (kids, just picture a giant black CD), as long as they don’t skip. I also like listening to ball games on AM radio and my VCR’s still running fine. Although I’m not totally buried in the past – the iPod I got from Santa is pretty cool.

    Just to clarify, the Raiders ARE amateurish, no matter where they play. Actually, it was a great choice of venues, because kids, that’s the way the game used to be played. Teams had to (shudder) share fields instead of gouging the taxpayers for their own special stadium that sits idle most of the year. Maybe I’m biased because a muddy field made things a little more even for slowpokes like me, but why do today’s brats have to play on a pristine field? Yes, it’s fun watching speedsters, but it’s also fun watching a guy with good moves and balance staying on his feet while his defender slips to the ground, or vice versa.

    Man, I sound as old as Ricko. ;)[/quote]

    What is going to be interesting around here, with the Gophers back outdoors and the Twin soon to be, is if kids start understanding the weather doesn’t have to be perfect. Coaching over the years since the Metrodome was built, I have noticed that more and more kids thought a sprinkle should cancel Little League practice. Phone call: “It’s raining a little and kinda cloudy, Mr. Pearson. Are we still gonna have practice?” or worse “…my mom wants to know if we’re still gonna have practice.”

    Yes, lady, we are. Your kid won’t rust.

    —Ricko[/quote

    Those are some strange connections to make from my original comments. Not sure playing pee wee football in the rain really has much to do with my personal visual distate for seeing a baseball diamond on a football field.

    As for not seeing what the big deal about HD is, we’re clearly not operating on the same wavelengths at all.

  • Nick | September 15, 2009 at 6:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”347925″][quote comment=”347921″]Why do the Saints wear white at home in a dome? Heat obviously isn’t an issue, and the black and gold is such a classic look. I’m disappointed

    ______________________________________________

    I was at this past Sunday’s Saints game, as I have been to every game for the past many years.

    Since Jim Haslett (2000) The Saints have worn White at home about 35-40% of the time, with no real rhyme or reason.

    The Saints put out very little info on why they wear what they wear, and to my knowledge do not put out a uni schedule. They wear White or Black at home, with both Gold or Black pants. You show up at the Superdome nd you never know what they are going to wear until they come out for warmups.

    For the entire time from Bum Phillips’ second year (1982) through Mora and Ditka and Jim Haslett’s first year (2000) they wore Black for EVERY home game. For the Playoff game Haslett’s first year he wanted to wear White at home, and they did and they won the playoff game, so then Haslett wanted to wear White at home. They often wore Black toward the end of the season, and during the Haslett era they would start the season wearing White jerseys then switch to Black jerseys because Haslett was quoted as saying the players lobbied him to wear Black at home.

    I believe that they are going to wear White at home this year, for at least the entire first portion of their schedule – its just a vibe that I have given that it is consistent with what they have done for the past 8-9 years. Plus, they have worn White jerseys for both preseason games and the home opener vs. Detroit.

    More importantly, they have worn GOLD PANTS for EVERY GAME so far this season, including when wearing Black jerseys on the road this preseason. That may, just may mean that they have packed away the HORRIBLE Black unitard pants.

    I truly hope that they have – FOR GOOD !!!![/quote]

    As far back as their initial season, the Saints wore white at home.[/quote]

    True. The reason given back in 1967 was that there was an actual study conducted with the players wearing both the Black and White jerseys at noon on a sunny summer day, and the White jerseys were SEVEN DEGREES cooler for the players than the Black jerseys. (The Saints played outdoors at old Tulane Stadium until 1975, with early season games regularly played in 90 plus degree weather)

    There was also a mention by then-owner John Mecom at some point in 1968 or 1969 that he wanted the fans to se the other teams’ colors when they would come to New Orleans. Still, the Saints would wear Black jerseys for the last 2-3 home games, even back then.

    That is a lot more info than you ever hear from the Saints now regarding their uni choices.

    HERE IS WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE A GOOD JERSEY POLICY …

    Every team wears White jerseys at home to allow fans to see the other terams’ uni colors up close and in person, except against Division Rivals – who you play home and home – thus wearing dark at home vs those teams, who your fans should be thoroughly familiar with due to the annual televised road games.

    This way, you get variety, your get familiarity, and you get to see the greatest diversity of unis, without the monotony.

  • Jeff P | September 15, 2009 at 6:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”348096″][quote comment=”348089″]
    It does on hockey helmets. They come with certification stickers, and if you take those suckers off, they’re no longer certified, and they can’t be worn in some leagues. Also, if you get a serious injury the team is liable rather then the helmet manufacturer if the helmet is defective.

    Other things that void the certification include paint, stickers and tape that hasn’t been tested with the plastic of the helmet and certified with the adhesive on, and since there’s a $10,000 fee to certify any helmet configuration- yes, configuration, it’s not gonna ever be certified. And yes, configuration. Each Cage helmet combination must be tested individually if you want to certify the damned thing.

    So yes, if they take them off Riddel doens’t have any responsibility for what happens. However, I’m betting that they stay on there because equipment managers decide it’s just too much trouble to take them off.[/quote]

    Mass paranoia to the extreme. If you don’t realize you can get seriously hurt or possibly die by playing football or hockey, your head must be in the sand anyway. Again, I don’t understand why the Warning sticker can’t be on the inside… and I also have a VERY hard time believing that any US court would alter their judgment for liability on a particular case based on whether or not a freaking sticker was removed.[/quote]
    The reason is the padding. They’re only certified for a few years, and the stickers have dates.

    If you say “We can’t guarantee their effectiveness past two years” and warn people, if you take off the sticker you have no way to prove the helmet is still certified unless it’s a new model that hasn’t been around that long yet.

    And that is valid, at least with hockey helmets. The VN foam that’s been in them since time immortal does age and harden, and when it hardens it’s nowhere near as effective. The newer EPP foam doesn’t have that problem though, and for those helmet’s is kind of a crock.

    It’s really a “cover their ass for insurance” thing. It’s not a warranty against breakage, it’s so their insurance company doesn’t have to pay claims on helmets that aren’t nearly as effective as they were when they were new.

  • rpm | September 15, 2009 at 6:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”348085″][quote comment=”348078″][quote comment=”348077″][quote comment=”348075″]always loved when people get upset about “bandwagon” fans, as if anyone has the right to sanction if someone else can root for a team. when i was a kid, in addition to bert jones and my bawlmer coats, i rooted for the buccs and browns, i guess because i liked orange, still do. as i grew older, in addition to my geographic home teams i rooted for lots of teams here and there because they were compelling, or had players i liked like chuck muncie. don’t know if i would have called myself a fanatic, but i rooted for them. EVERYONE jumped onto the wagon of a team at some point since none of us owned pennants before our birth. it’s silly for anyone to try to qualify who gets to root for any team, or count years and notches like badges. dwight, root for whomever you want, but if the reason you are abandoning the texans is because they loose, you’re a big pussy.[/quote]

    Very well put, oh generalissimo of the stirrup revolution! That reminds me, how long do I have to decide if I want a Pirates or Senators ‘rup?

    Chuck Muncie, the pride of Uniontown, PA! http://static.nfl.co...
    Was he the inspiration for your choice of glasses? http://farm4.static....
    Chuck Muncie was the reason I glommed onto the Chargers as a lad. I also wore my glasses when I played so he was a natural role model.

    Their unis at the time weren’t too shabby, either. Y’all can keep the powder blue or the navy. These are where it’s at for the Chargers in my book.[/quote]

    I love that Goggles Pizano look as well; Joe Washington & Eric Dickerson preach on!!![/quote]
    hells yeah, joe washington was kick ass too!!!

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 6:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”348124″][quote comment=”348109″][quote comment=”348107″][quote comment=”348094″][quote comment=”348090″][quote comment=”348088″]Paul,

    Could not disagree with you more about the baseball diamond at Oakland last night. It makes the entire franchise look amateurish to me. With so many people having High Def TV’s and the game being on a national primetime stage, I’m flabbergasted the NFL chose that game for the first MNF night of the season.

    i couldn’t see the game because i don’t have cable, but this must be a generational thing, ’cause you’re nuts fella:) and what does high def have to do with anything? does dirt look different on my crap~ass set?

    It was so hidious to me, I had trouble watching it. I’m not exaggerating either.[/quote][/quote]

    Yeah, it probably is a generational thing, because my buddies also all remarked at hating seeing the infield on the gridiron.

    The HD does make a difference to me, and in the interest of full disclosure, I am an HD snob ever since getting one last year. Seeing beautiful grass in HD is awesome, seeing tampered baseball dirt is not in its place is not. Many of the teams who play in artificial turf stadiums look bad in HD too, the St. Louis Rams come to mind.[/quote]

    Still don’t see the big deal with HDTV. Then again I like a little hissing and popping on my records (kids, just picture a giant black CD), as long as they don’t skip. I also like listening to ball games on AM radio and my VCR’s still running fine. Although I’m not totally buried in the past – the iPod I got from Santa is pretty cool.

    Just to clarify, the Raiders ARE amateurish, no matter where they play. Actually, it was a great choice of venues, because kids, that’s the way the game used to be played. Teams had to (shudder) share fields instead of gouging the taxpayers for their own special stadium that sits idle most of the year. Maybe I’m biased because a muddy field made things a little more even for slowpokes like me, but why do today’s brats have to play on a pristine field? Yes, it’s fun watching speedsters, but it’s also fun watching a guy with good moves and balance staying on his feet while his defender slips to the ground, or vice versa.

    Man, I sound as old as Ricko. ;)[/quote]

    What is going to be interesting around here, with the Gophers back outdoors and the Twin soon to be, is if kids start understanding the weather doesn’t have to be perfect. Coaching over the years since the Metrodome was built, I have noticed that more and more kids thought a sprinkle should cancel Little League practice. Phone call: “It’s raining a little and kinda cloudy, Mr. Pearson. Are we still gonna have practice?” or worse “…my mom wants to know if we’re still gonna have practice.”

    Yes, lady, we are. Your kid won’t rust.

    —Ricko[/quote

    Those are some strange connections to make from my original comments. Not sure playing pee wee football in the rain really has much to do with my personal visual distate for seeing a baseball diamond on a football field.

    As for not seeing what the big deal about HD is, we’re clearly not operating on the same wavelengths at all.[/quote]

    Oh, man, LOL, I was just talking about a curious side effect of mud and not-so-great field conditions disappearing from what kids see on TV.

    —Ricko

  • Nick | September 15, 2009 at 6:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”347957″][quote comment=”347954″]I too add to the acolades doled out for the unis last night. I’m not in love with any of them, but I was instantly engaged by the colors. The brightness is something that is sorely missing in all sports, but especially in the NFL. All the somber tones and “tough” black in designs make it boring IMHO.

    Even though the Raiders were playing, the Chargers Blue across the way and the officials in orange, made for a color soaked spectacle.

    I don’t need the teams to go back to these looks, but maybe update their looks with “older” colors[/quote]
    I can live with the old helmet logos, etc.

    I don’t mind a few updates to the jersey stripes, etc. but IMHO yesterday’s look for both the Pats and Bills was superior to what they wear on a “normal” day.[/quote]

    I totally agree. The only improvement I would make is to tighten the space on the Bills sleeve stripes to make it more like the late 1960s-early 1970s. They would fit better on modern jerseys and the wide spacing looks too crappy given the thinness of the stripes.

    The Pats throwbacks are a 10,000 times better than the videogame unis they currently wear.

  • Nick | September 15, 2009 at 6:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”347995″][quote comment=”347987″][quote comment=”347975″]oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Call them the Federals! Perfect, since they play at FedEx Field. Plus, they could unofficially be the Fedskins…[/quote]

    The Sentinels. Add some silver t, and adopt, those Pats throwbacks, get Shane Falco off his boat. Definitely hire those cheerleaders….

    –Ricko[/quote]

    Definitely the cheerleaders. By the way, whatever happened to the cute bartender cheerleader that was Shane Falco’s love interest? I never saw her in anything else again. am I wrong, or just watching the wrong TV?

  • Greenie | September 15, 2009 at 6:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”348130″][quote comment=”347995″][quote comment=”347987″][quote comment=”347975″]oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Call them the Federals! Perfect, since they play at FedEx Field. Plus, they could unofficially be the Fedskins…[/quote]

    The Sentinels. Add some silver t, and adopt, those Pats throwbacks, get Shane Falco off his boat. Definitely hire those cheerleaders….

    –Ricko[/quote]

    Definitely the cheerleaders. By the way, whatever happened to the cute bartender cheerleader that was Shane Falco’s love interest? I never saw her in anything else again. am I wrong, or just watching the wrong TV?[/quote]

    Brooke Langston. Apparently been on Friday Night Lights lately….

    http://www.imdb.com/...

  • Nick | September 15, 2009 at 6:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”348088″]Paul,

    Could not disagree with you more about the baseball diamond at Oakland last night. It makes the entire franchise look amateurish to me. With so many people having High Def TV’s and the game being on a national primetime stage, I’m flabbergasted the NFL chose that game for the first MNF night of the season.

    It was so hidious to me, I had trouble watching it. I’m not exaggerating either.[/quote]

    Hey, that is their stadium. Would you rather they build ANOTHER Billion Dollar Stadium with PSL’s and special interstate ramps for the yuppie $400.00 a ticket scene-makers and price the last working class fan out of attending NFL games altogether.

    Look. It was a “Throwback” Game. That is the kind of field they used to play on, and we used to watch games played on. I wonder if that may have had something to do with scheduling the game there, on that date? We all grew up watching DOZENS of games every year played on such fields. Was it really that MISERABLE to see that again one more time ….. No, it wasn’t.

    As for the Raiders wearing White jerseys at home, it was discuissed on this site some time back that the Raiders would wear their Silver numeral/White jerseys at home for some if not all of this year to celebrate the 50th AFL anniversary. Because the “Throwback” uni in Black jerseys would only amount to changing the helmet sticker – a bit too minimal a change from the modern, traditional uni, they would wear something more identified with their NFL past (despite the uni really being in our collective conciousness from the George Blanda “Miracle Year” of 1970).

    I agree with Ricko that the Raiders, and all of the teams celebrating the AFL 50th, should have worn the actual 1960 year unis. The Raiders 1960 uni was a reasonably good and unique look. The 1960 Bills Silver & Blue would open some eyes, and let people know a forgotten part of their uni lore. It would have been a pretty good deal.

  • Giancarlo | September 15, 2009 at 6:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”348033″]
    Yes, I am all for accuracy and think that throwback games should be as historically true as possible, but my point was that they are not beautiful. Design wise they are a mess. Just because they are 50 years old doesn’t mean they are beautiful. There were a lot of bad designs back in the day.
    [/quote]
    But in the old days whenever a team came out with a mistake (Denver 1960) they had the decency to retire it after a year or two. Plus, do you really mean to say that there were “a lot of bad designs” in the 1960s? In the AFL/NFL I could count the bad ones on one hand easily. If you think the ones from last night were bad design (in their original form) then we just don’t see eye-to-eye.

  • bartusball | September 15, 2009 at 7:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”347857″]The throwbacks all around were nice. But can we please teach logo desigers, proofreaders, etc. what exactly constitutes an anniversary? It’s bad enough to say “50th anniversary” when you really mean “50th season” and there have been a slew of offenders over the years on that. But “50th anniversary season” (as printed on the AFL patches, field logos, etc.) is even worse. The AFL’s 50th anniversary of its first season is NEXT YEAR!! Their 50th season is this year. It’s the same principle as a person’s birthday. Not a hard concept, actually.[/quote]

    Yeah, even worse is when people call an event the “First Annual”. Huh? How about Inaugural!!!!
    It ain’t annual until you’ve done it more than once.

  • Graf Zeppelin | September 15, 2009 at 7:18 pm |

    Just picked up one of those Apollo 11 caps from the July 20 Astros game. VERY nice cap.

  • DW | September 15, 2009 at 7:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”347900″][quote comment=”347886″]You know, if the Raiders used the old “shield” on the field as their yard markers [look at old pix of Raiders games and you’ll see ’em] then it would have been perfect. It was pretty close last night … they even have a fat coach just like Madden … just reminding fans of the days of many multi-purpose stadia …Are the Raiders the only one left in the No Fun League that plays on a baseball infield this time of year?[/quote]

    Dolphins[/quote]

    Yeah, forgot about the Fish. Usually when I see the Jets at whatever the stadium is called now the Marlins season is over and the infield is filled with turf. Guess the Oakland-Alameda County Mausoleum will be the only one left with a baseball infield, soon.

  • Graf Zeppelin | September 15, 2009 at 7:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”347869″][quote comment=”347866″][quote comment=”347856″]In light of the Texans’ constant suckage, I am recruiting a new team to root for. I have narrowed down the selections to:

    Bears
    Packers
    49ers
    Saints
    Browns
    Colts

    I have eliminated all others for various reasons, unis being a key factor. Please provide pros/cons as to why I should make your team “my team”. Thanks uniwatch![/quote]

    I would seriously suggest one of these three teams for you; Patriots, Cowboys, or, Steelers. You would fit right in with most of their fans.[/quote]

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Not to laugh at you dwight, but that was comedy. I would have to encourage rooting for the horseshoes[/quote]

    Saints. It’s not far from you, no bandwagon issues, and most of all, you’ve just got to LOVE that town.

  • leon | September 15, 2009 at 7:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”348110″][quote comment=”348108″]I just have to point this out. Totally badass vintage 12 point suspension Ottawa Rough Riders helmet on auction.[/quote]

    That’s kicker Gerry Organ’s helmet! I want it.[/quote]

    Organ’s helmet = $750.00
    I’m calling my insurance carrier.

  • pflava | September 15, 2009 at 7:43 pm |

    I have to admit that I miss the character of the old municipal stadiums like Cleveland, Baltimore, Fulton County, Metropolitan, etc. There was something cool about the shared venues, even though it usually ended up being not so great for viewing either sport. You could always look forward to the early season games on the infield dirt, and could usually tell where it was just by the configuration if nothing else. They had a warmth and charm that the new, bland antiseptic football stadiums utterly lack. And I know the modern buildings have more bathrooms, luxury suites, better sightlines, etc., but I don’t give a shit about that since I’d never pay to go sit in one to begin with. My point is that, on t.v., I think the new places look like crap. Give me infield dirt through October over plastic fields any day. And think how much better it would be in January if we could get some snow and mud!

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 7:44 pm |

    [quote]Organ’s helmet = $750.00[/quote]

    dozen tulips=$20.00

    tulips on an organ=priceless

  • mike 2 | September 15, 2009 at 7:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”348136″][quote comment=”347900″][quote comment=”347886″]You know, if the Raiders used the old “shield” on the field as their yard markers [look at old pix of Raiders games and you’ll see ’em] then it would have been perfect. It was pretty close last night … they even have a fat coach just like Madden … just reminding fans of the days of many multi-purpose stadia …Are the Raiders the only one left in the No Fun League that plays on a baseball infield this time of year?[/quote]

    Dolphins[/quote]

    Yeah, forgot about the Fish. Usually when I see the Jets at whatever the stadium is called now the Marlins season is over and the infield is filled with turf. Guess the Oakland-Alameda County Mausoleum will be the only one left with a baseball infield, soon.[/quote]

    And the Rogers Centre, in a sense (not the full dirt infield but the sliding pits). Not too many multi-use stadiums left.

  • mike 2 | September 15, 2009 at 7:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”348138″][quote comment=”348110″][quote comment=”348108″]I just have to point this out. Totally badass vintage 12 point suspension Ottawa Rough Riders helmet on auction.[/quote]

    That’s kicker Gerry Organ’s helmet! I want it.[/quote]

    Organ’s helmet = $750.00
    I’m calling my insurance carrier.[/quote]

    One more reason to love the CFL – a placekicker wearing number 71

  • LarryB | September 15, 2009 at 7:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”348077″][quote comment=”348075″]always loved when people get upset about “bandwagon” fans, as if anyone has the right to sanction if someone else can root for a team. when i was a kid, in addition to bert jones and my bawlmer coats, i rooted for the buccs and browns, i guess because i liked orange, still do. as i grew older, in addition to my geographic home teams i rooted for lots of teams here and there because they were compelling, or had players i liked like chuck muncie. don’t know if i would have called myself a fanatic, but i rooted for them. EVERYONE jumped onto the wagon of a team at some point since none of us owned pennants before our birth. it’s silly for anyone to try to qualify who gets to root for any team, or count years and notches like badges. dwight, root for whomever you want, but if the reason you are abandoning the texans is because they loose, you’re a big pussy.[/quote]

    Very well put, oh generalissimo of the stirrup revolution! That reminds me, how long do I have to decide if I want a Pirates or Senators ‘rup?

    Chuck Muncie, the pride of Uniontown, PA! http://static.nfl.co...
    Was he the inspiration for your choice of glasses? http://farm4.static....

    Chuck Muncie from Uniontown, Pa. That is the area of SW Pa my parents were from. Brownsville area.

    How did Chuck end up at Cal anyhow?

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 7:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”348143″]How did Chuck end up at Cal anyhow?[/quote]

    from the always reliable wikipedia:

    “Muncie was born and raised in a coal-mining Pennsylvania town, as one of six children in a football-playing family. Muncie played during his sophomore year in high school, before an injury halted his career and he turned to basketball. Muncie got a scholarship to Arizona Western Junior College. While there, the coach of the football team was sufficiently impressed by Muncie’s talent that he convinced him to try out for football as well. Muncie did so, and made the team. He never played basketball for the school but was recruited by the University of California, Berkeley after one year.”

    so there you go

  • Graf Zeppelin | September 15, 2009 at 8:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”348037″][quote comment=”348036″][quote comment=”348031″][quote comment=”348022″][quote comment=”347969″][quote comment=”347965″]Hmm. How about the Panthers? While I don’t like the black either, the whites and blues are things of beauty, and they’re the only NFL team that has full shoulder loops rather then the truncated crap, at least for most players.[/quote]

    sadly, jeff…most of them have the truncated loops…although the qb and a certain high profile wide receiver do have them…

    check back this weekend for my take on them

    and i totally agree–those panther whites are a thing of beauty![/quote]

    Huh. Didn’t get to watch them much last year (and probalby this year, being at school), but a lot more of them used to have the Steve Smith style loops.

    The real style with the QBs and Kickers is the best though.

    As for the column, let me guess- you’ll be complaining about the helmet stripes, or rather slashes? I kind of like them, but I can see why some might not. Really the only ‘tweak’ I would make would be to relegate the black to the third or ditch it completely.[/quote]

    Black was their original dark jersey. I remember thinking when they added the blue one, “Right, who wouldn’t wanna look like the Detroit Lions.” And at that time the Lions actually still won a game once in a while.

    Generally, I’m with you, though. Pick one of the other, bright blue or black. Never been a big fan of the “alt jersey” mentality, anyway. Only ones that seem to work are the Broncos’ orange (because it harks back to the Orange Crush look) and Eagles’ black with green pants. Normally don’t like all-dark, but that one looks good for me, for some reason.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Oh, I know the black was their original. I know it’s not BFBS, but the blue just looks much better, and certainly seems to be more popular when you see people wearing jerseys around.[/quote]
    I say go with the black, because when your team is called “Panthers” and you aren’t based in Florida there’s really only one other color that seems fitting.[/quote]

    Hmmmm… I see….

  • LarryB | September 15, 2009 at 8:06 pm |

    My 2 cents on the Steelers and bandwagon fans. I know for afact that many of the Steeler fans in my area are bandwagon fans.

    My dad grew up in SW Pa and he always loved the Steelers. So as young kid because of my dad so did I. I have posted a picture of me and my Steeler yellow helmet with single black stripe and black jersey with yellow stripes. I got those for Christmas around 1961 or so.

    The Steelers stunk for over 40 years. Never even winning a division crown. My buddy was a huge Browns fan but he was a bragging big mouth kid so that turned me off to the Browns. It was not until later that my Ohio pride kicked in and I became a Browns fan. Of course a long time Buckeyes fan too.

    I am mile from the Pa line. And near Youngstown, Ohio. Youngstown is halfway between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. When Pittsburgh stunk they dod not have the fans in my area. I know guys who began liking the Steerlers because of the 1970’s

    I have to say I hate seeing Steeler flags and fans from Ohio.

    So the Browns came into the NFL and dominated from the beginning. The Steelers sucked. But now and I hate to say it. The Steelers have one of the best organizations in the NFL. The Browns had a moron up and move the team to Baltimore. Now the Browns are still trying to build a good team.

    For the longest time I never thought the Steelers would take the series lead. It was not until the move of the Browns and recent Steeler dominance that that has happened.

    Pro sports is all about who has good management and organization. I follow the NFL some. But to me it does not compare to college football.

    Anyhow in my area for sure the Steelers got a ton of new bandwagon fans.

  • JTH | September 15, 2009 at 8:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”348145″][quote comment=”348037″][quote comment=”348036″][quote comment=”348031″][quote comment=”348022″][quote comment=”347969″][quote comment=”347965″]Hmm. How about the Panthers? While I don’t like the black either, the whites and blues are things of beauty, and they’re the only NFL team that has full shoulder loops rather then the truncated crap, at least for most players.[/quote]

    sadly, jeff…most of them have the truncated loops…although the qb and a certain high profile wide receiver do have them…

    check back this weekend for my take on them

    and i totally agree–those panther whites are a thing of beauty![/quote]

    Huh. Didn’t get to watch them much last year (and probalby this year, being at school), but a lot more of them used to have the Steve Smith style loops.

    The real style with the QBs and Kickers is the best though.

    As for the column, let me guess- you’ll be complaining about the helmet stripes, or rather slashes? I kind of like them, but I can see why some might not. Really the only ‘tweak’ I would make would be to relegate the black to the third or ditch it completely.[/quote]

    Black was their original dark jersey. I remember thinking when they added the blue one, “Right, who wouldn’t wanna look like the Detroit Lions.” And at that time the Lions actually still won a game once in a while.

    Generally, I’m with you, though. Pick one of the other, bright blue or black. Never been a big fan of the “alt jersey” mentality, anyway. Only ones that seem to work are the Broncos’ orange (because it harks back to the Orange Crush look) and Eagles’ black with green pants. Normally don’t like all-dark, but that one looks good for me, for some reason.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Oh, I know the black was their original. I know it’s not BFBS, but the blue just looks much better, and certainly seems to be more popular when you see people wearing jerseys around.[/quote]
    I say go with the black, because when your team is called “Panthers” and you aren’t based in Florida there’s really only one other color that seems fitting.[/quote]

    Hmmmm… I see….[/quote]
    Oh, you just know they wanted to go with pink and didn’t have the balls to do it so they settled for the “more manly” plum color.

  • LarryB | September 15, 2009 at 8:09 pm |

    And thanks Phil for the Muncie info.

    Speaking of NFL series records. Is there any site to be found that has teams records head to head vs all the other NFL teams? I used ot get those small paperbacks that has Clevelands record all time vs Atlanta, Baltimore and so on.

    And how about teams all time WL records too? I know college football has several sites with all time WL records. Seems like the NFL info is harder to find.

  • Graf Zeppelin | September 15, 2009 at 8:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”348055″]Re:Washington Redskins
    Caveat:I have been a fan since 1961, but am not unsympathetic to those who find the name offensive. Here’s some history that doesn’t really “excuse” the name but can add a little perspective, I hope. We all know they were originally the Boston Braves and shared a stadium with the team of the same name (making for some great early season play with infields visible). They soon moved to Fenway Park and couldn’t play there with the name “Braves”. Hence, Redskins.

    As for a potential new name, there have been several mentioned that pop up from time to time. There is a school of thought that Daniel Snyder wants to build a domed stadium within the District limits and host the Super Bowl. If this seems likely, I think we can rule out any name that even remotely could be conceived as “racial” for a team playing in a stadium on federal land. If FedEx is still one of their big backers, Federals seems likely. I also suspect “Generals” will garner attention.

    I hope this was helpful. :)[/quote]

    YAY!

    GENERALS!

    YAY!

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 8:19 pm |

    I try to stay away from this political nonsense, but tonight I’ll chime in.

    [quote comment=”348030″]No way. Still has the connotation. Society would never allow a team to be the LA Spicks or the Atlanta N*****s. [/quote]
    Good-you said society. Stop right there.

    The Redskins put their reputation & their popularity on the line every day they use the name. They gladly take the risk. If “society” doesn’t like the name, they won’t support them. They continue to sell out the stadium, they get sponsorships (FedEx, etc.), they sell commercials on their radio broadcasts and TV doesn’t adjust the NFL contract by saying “we won’t pay market price for a Redskins game”. (For that matter, nobody who advertises on Fox, CBS, NBC and ESPN has pulled their commercials AFAIK.) So what is “society” saying?

    I’d love to see how many members of Congress and other governmental officals are season ticket holders. Those people are ELECTED by “society”.

    [quote comment=”348030″]It is ridiculous that the courts have allowed this to go this far.[/quote]

    What exactly should the courts do; and what sort of precedent will be set when they do whatever you think they “should” do?

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 8:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”348144″][quote comment=”348143″]How did Chuck end up at Cal anyhow?[/quote]

    from the always reliable wikipedia:

    “Muncie was born and raised in a coal-mining Pennsylvania town, as one of six children in a football-playing family. Muncie played during his sophomore year in high school, before an injury halted his career and he turned to basketball. Muncie got a scholarship to Arizona Western Junior College. While there, the coach of the football team was sufficiently impressed by Muncie’s talent that he convinced him to try out for football as well. Muncie did so, and made the team. He never played basketball for the school but was recruited by the University of California, Berkeley after one year.”

    so there you go[/quote]

    It also came out, many years later, well beyond the time anyone could do anything about it, that Muncie had told Cal coaches, “I’ll play for you as long as I didn’t have to go to class.”

    Munice never denied the story.

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 8:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”348085″]…Goggles Pizano…[/quote]

    LOL! That’s about a forty year-old reference.

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 8:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”348125″]

    True. The reason given back in 1967 was that there was an actual study conducted with the players wearing both the Black and White jerseys at noon on a sunny summer day, and the White jerseys were SEVEN DEGREES cooler for the players than the Black jerseys. (The Saints played outdoors at old Tulane Stadium until 1975, with early season games regularly played in 90 plus degree weather)[/quote]

    Somewhat related to this topic: was there any reason (besides televison) that the Buccaneers played at noon last Sunday? I think Jax will play at noon this Sunday too.

    Not good for the players, not good for the fans… silly IMHO. Those should be 3:00 games.

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 8:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”348131″][quote comment=”348130″][quote comment=”347995″][quote comment=”347987″][quote comment=”347975″]oh my… and if the courts DO think Redskins is defaming… what would their new mascot be?

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Call them the Federals! Perfect, since they play at FedEx Field. Plus, they could unofficially be the Fedskins…[/quote]

    The Sentinels. Add some silver t, and adopt, those Pats throwbacks, get Shane Falco off his boat. Definitely hire those cheerleaders….

    –Ricko[/quote]

    Definitely the cheerleaders. By the way, whatever happened to the cute bartender cheerleader that was Shane Falco’s love interest? I never saw her in anything else again. am I wrong, or just watching the wrong TV?[/quote]

    Brooke Langston. Apparently been on Friday Night Lights lately….

    http://www.imdb.com/...

    Also recently saw her in a (surprisingly) pretty good film on FX called PRIMEVAL (2007), about looking for Gustave, the legendary giant man-eating croc that supposedly has killed hundreds over the years in Burundi…and is still out there. Orlando Jones (also from THE REPLACEMENTS) is in it, too. She looks quite different. Still good, but different.

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 8:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”348065″]

    Exactly. People forget the Rams should have had a big home field advantage for Super Bowl 14, but it didn’t happen. That game was held at the Rose Bowl. [/quote]

    Here’s the huge difference: DETROIT SUCKS AT ANY TIME OF YEAR BUT ESPECIALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF WINTER. Tickets for the Ford Field game were available because nobody is going to party in Detroit in winter; sponsors, other teams, etc. stayed away in droves. Anyone could get a ticket cheap.

    No tickets available for LA because, well, PEOPLE WANT TO GO THERE IN THE WINTER BECAUSE IT’S WARM AND THEY CAN GOLF.

    Sorry. If you put the game in a place where nobody goes in the winter, tickets won’t be in demand. That’s the reality. If I want to go tobogganing, I can do it here-I don’t need to go to Detroit.

    Don’t put the game in Minnesota, don’t put the game in Detroit or Indy. Do that and you just might end up with a Steelers home game.

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 8:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”348150″]I try to stay away from this political nonsense, but tonight I’ll chime in.

    [quote comment=”348030″]No way. Still has the connotation. Society would never allow a team to be the LA Spicks or the Atlanta N*****s. [/quote]
    Good-you said society. Stop right there.

    The Redskins put their reputation & their popularity on the line every day they use the name. They gladly take the risk. If “society” doesn’t like the name, they won’t support them. They continue to sell out the stadium, they get sponsorships (FedEx, etc.), they sell commercials on their radio broadcasts and TV doesn’t adjust the NFL contract by saying “we won’t pay market price for a Redskins game”. (For that matter, nobody who advertises on Fox, CBS, NBC and ESPN has pulled their commercials AFAIK.) So what is “society” saying?

    I’d love to see how many members of Congress and other governmental officals are season ticket holders. Those people are ELECTED by “society”.

    [quote comment=”348030″]It is ridiculous that the courts have allowed this to go this far.[/quote]

    What exactly should the courts do; and what sort of precedent will be set when they do whatever you think they “should” do?[/quote]

    ok my $.02

    “redskins” as the previous poster you quoted had pointed out, is just about the most “hateful” racist term one can apply to native americans…if they wanted to go back to “braves” or were originally “just” the braves, i’d say maybe the PC bandwagonneers (lots of ‘bandwagon’ references today) were just puffing their chests (like those who oppose ANY references to native americans)

    the term ‘redskins’ however, should NOT be equated with ‘fighting sioux’, ‘seminoles’, ‘braves’, ‘fighting illini’, or plain old ‘indians’ — i won’t debate the merits of keeping or changing those names…

    but redskins is offensive, racist, hateful and hurtful

    it really, REALLY should be changed…like yesterday (despite what the courts have thus far ruled) and it shouldn’t take a lawsuit to make them do it

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 8:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”348157″]it really, REALLY should be changed…like yesterday (despite what the courts have thus far ruled) and it shouldn’t take a lawsuit to make them do it[/quote]

    As noted, if it was so hateful, etc. that society demanded that it be changed yesterday, it would have been done. Money talks.

    The elected representatives of society haven’t seen it as so hateful that they won’t be seen supporting the name.

    It hasn’t been changed. Yesterday or today. What does that tell you?

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 8:59 pm |

    Didn’t we go thru this with Vick a few weeks ago?

    If you don’t like Redskins, don’t support the team.

    If you don’t like Vick, don’t support the team.

    Same thing, no?

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 9:00 pm |

    [quote]was there any reason (besides televison) that the Buccaneers played at noon last Sunday? I think Jax will play at noon this Sunday too.

    Not good for the players, not good for the fans[/quote]

    WTF are you talking about…the bucs game was at 1:00 EDT…and raymond james is in the eastern time zone

    sucks for teams from the western zone (like the cards coming to jax this coming week) but how was that a big deal for dallas?

    do the bears ever play 12:00 (central) home games?lions, chiefs, pack, vikes? how is that any different? teams from the west come there don’t they?

  • Harvey Lee | September 15, 2009 at 9:02 pm |

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  • leon | September 15, 2009 at 9:08 pm |

    Somewhat related to this topic: was there any reason (besides televison) that the Buccaneers played at noon last Sunday? I think Jax will play at noon this Sunday too.

    Dude, turn that clock forward. Standard time doesn’t start until November 1.

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 9:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”348157″][quote comment=”348150″]I try to stay away from this political nonsense, but tonight I’ll chime in.

    [quote comment=”348030″]No way. Still has the connotation. Society would never allow a team to be the LA Spicks or the Atlanta N*****s. [/quote]
    Good-you said society. Stop right there.

    The Redskins put their reputation & their popularity on the line every day they use the name. They gladly take the risk. If “society” doesn’t like the name, they won’t support them. They continue to sell out the stadium, they get sponsorships (FedEx, etc.), they sell commercials on their radio broadcasts and TV doesn’t adjust the NFL contract by saying “we won’t pay market price for a Redskins game”. (For that matter, nobody who advertises on Fox, CBS, NBC and ESPN has pulled their commercials AFAIK.) So what is “society” saying?

    I’d love to see how many members of Congress and other governmental officals are season ticket holders. Those people are ELECTED by “society”.

    [quote comment=”348030″]It is ridiculous that the courts have allowed this to go this far.[/quote]

    What exactly should the courts do; and what sort of precedent will be set when they do whatever you think they “should” do?[/quote]

    ok my $.02

    “redskins” as the previous poster you quoted had pointed out, is just about the most “hateful” racist term one can apply to native americans…if they wanted to go back to “braves” or were originally “just” the braves, i’d say maybe the PC bandwagonneers (lots of ‘bandwagon’ references today) were just puffing their chests (like those who oppose ANY references to native americans)

    the term ‘redskins’ however, should NOT be equated with ‘fighting sioux’, ‘seminoles’, ‘braves’, ‘fighting illini’, or plain old ‘indians’ — i won’t debate the merits of keeping or changing those names…

    but redskins is offensive, racist, hateful and hurtful

    it really, REALLY should be changed…like yesterday (despite what the courts have thus far ruled) and it shouldn’t take a lawsuit to make them do it[/quote]

    Plus, as I noted, the owner who named them was an admitted racist, and southern proud of it.

    Should the court make them change the name? Probably not, but the team is in a tough situation. If they DO change it, it’s like admitting they know they should have done it long ago.

    And, of course, there’s that pesky “expense of changing it” thing. About only way it could happen at the team’s volition without a ton of downside PR, would be when a new ownership group came in.

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 9:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”348160″]WTF are you talking about..[/quote]

    See the “Sunny Summer Day” part of the comment. THAT’S WTF I’m talking about.

    [quote comment=”348160″]do the bears ever play 12:00 (central) home games?lions, chiefs, pack, vikes? [/quote]Why yes; yes they do.

    Thanks for asking. Always glad to share.

    [quote comment=”348160″]how is that any different?
    [/quote]
    Ninety degree days in September are slightly more rare here in Chicago than they are in either New Orleans, Tampa or Jacksonville this time of year. Not as taxing for players or fans (usually) in the Northern climes.

    Okay, my time for “Undies in a bunch Day” here at Uniblog is just about up. See ya later everyone.

  • MPowers1634 | September 15, 2009 at 9:23 pm |

    WOW…307 posts on a Tuesday…impressive!

    Anyway, this should make you all laugh…just got home from my daughters’ “Back To School Night” and me and a few other dads gave the principal, William Lee, a new nickname:

    http://www.insidesoc...

  • leon | September 15, 2009 at 9:25 pm |

    About only way it could happen at the team’s volition without a ton of downside PR, would be when a new ownership group came in.

    Keeping my fingers crossed.

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 9:26 pm |

    Yikes! Blockbuster’s closing 960 stores.
    Time to pick up those sports vides and films at a discount?

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 9:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”348164″]Plus, as I noted, the owner who named them was an admitted racist, and southern proud of it.[/quote]

    Yeah, but Ricko-which owner of the earlier era wasn’t a something-ist and/or a something-phobe?

    Read the books on Halas. His favorite insult of the day wouldn’t go over big today with… well a lot of people; but Elton John in particular.

    This just seems like a reach to me. If the guy (we’re talking George Preston Marshall, correct?) was contributing to the Black College Fund, does that change your opinion on “Redskins”?

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 9:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”348165″][quote comment=”348160″]WTF are you talking about..[/quote]

    See the “Sunny Summer Day” part of the comment. THAT’S WTF I’m talking about.

    [quote comment=”348160″]do the bears ever play 12:00 (central) home games?lions, chiefs, pack, vikes? [/quote]Why yes; yes they do.

    Thanks for asking. Always glad to share.

    [quote comment=”348160″]how is that any different?
    [/quote]
    Ninety degree days in September are slightly more rare here in Chicago than they are in either New Orleans, Tampa or Jacksonville this time of year. Not as taxing for players or fans (usually) in the Northern climes.

    Okay, my time for “Undies in a bunch Day” here at Uniblog is just about up. See ya later everyone.[/quote]

    ok, now you’re just being stupid

    i’d say ice cold days in green bay aren’t rare in december either, but fans don’t stay away (just ask johnny o who sat thru the giants/pack playoff game in early ’08 — or what about the “ice bowl” crowd or the bengals playoff game in the early 80’s against the chargers, where i believe it was -50 with the wind chill…granted, those were playoff games, but it’s still plenty cold — and the players deal with it

    pretty sure most fans would rather sit through a 90 degree florida day than a sub zero chicago day…and for what the players are getting paid, they should be able to play in 90 degree heat as well

    christ, i thought your point was about the unfairness of making a team from the west coming east to play the early game

    not about the poor fan who gets to watch football on a summer day

  • JTH | September 15, 2009 at 9:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”348166″]WOW…307 posts on a Tuesday…impressive!

    Anyway, this should make you all laugh…just got home from my daughters’ “Back To School Night” and me and a few other dads gave the principal, William Lee, a new nickname:

    http://www.insidesoc...
    And I’m sure it was the first time he’s heard that particular one, right?

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 9:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”348163″]Dude, turn that clock forward. Standard time doesn’t start until November 1.[/quote]

    Yeah yeah. Got it. This is an Eastern Time Zone-centric site. Okay, fine.

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 9:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”348170″]
    ok, now you’re just being stupid[/quote]

    Seriously, WTF are YOU talking about?

    When they were at Sun Devil Stadium, Arizona would have started their games at night in September if they could. They couldn’t. Only one time slot available for them. THEY KNEW THE HEAT OF THE DAY MADE A DIFFERENCE TO THE TEAM AND THE FANS.

    Tampa has two time slots available. They can go early or late, unless TV dictates otherwise.

    I’m sorry if you’re not understanding this. I simply can’t dumb it down any more for you.

  • leon | September 15, 2009 at 9:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”348172″][quote comment=”348163″]Dude, turn that clock forward. Standard time doesn’t start until November 1.[/quote]

    Yeah yeah. Got it. This is an Eastern Time Zone-centric site. Okay, fine.[/quote]

    Not so sure.
    If you got it, you wouldn’t have suggested any NFL game started at 12:00 noon, unless you were watching it in Bermuda. Were you watching it in Bermuda? Are you OK? Can you tell time? Are you on meds? Did you combine them with alcohol?
    I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt in a quasi-humorous manner, I thought. It has nothing to do with this being a site that originates in the east. Your original premise was just nonsense. Sorry, but it had to be said.

  • JTH | September 15, 2009 at 9:42 pm |

    OK, so society hasn’t demanded that the Redskins’ name be changed. Does that mean “separate but equal” and the Jim Crow laws were just fine and dandy until the 1960s because that’s when society finally demanded that those practices become a thing of the past?

  • MPowers1634 | September 15, 2009 at 9:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”348171″][quote comment=”348166″]WOW…307 posts on a Tuesday…impressive!

    Anyway, this should make you all laugh…just got home from my daughters’ “Back To School Night” and me and a few other dads gave the principal, William Lee, a new nickname:

    http://www.insidesoc...
    And I’m sure it was the first time he’s heard that particular one, right?[/quote]

    Ouch, you must still be pissed about the Quad Force Chucks comment!

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 9:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”348170″]christ, i thought your point was about the unfairness of making a team from the west coming east to play the early game[/quote]

    And how did you get this impression?

    Did you read the post? Did I mention west coast teams? Did you see the part about sun, heat, temperature differences?

    Enough with the “WTF” and “now you’re being stupid” stuff. Nobody needs that.

  • JTH | September 15, 2009 at 9:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”348176″][quote comment=”348171″][quote comment=”348166″]WOW…307 posts on a Tuesday…impressive!

    Anyway, this should make you all laugh…just got home from my daughters’ “Back To School Night” and me and a few other dads gave the principal, William Lee, a new nickname:

    http://www.insidesoc...
    And I’m sure it was the first time he’s heard that particular one, right?[/quote]

    Ouch, you must still be pissed about the Quad Force Chucks comment![/quote]
    Pissed? I wasn’t then and I’m not now.

    I’m just busting your balls.

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 9:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”348175″]OK, so society hasn’t demanded that the Redskins’ name be changed. Does that mean “separate but equal” and the Jim Crow laws were just fine and dandy until the 1960s because that’s when society finally demanded that those practices become a thing of the past?[/quote]
    No, everyone is entitled to their opinions on this issue. People didn’t like those laws before the 50’s/60’s. Same here.

    I’m just saying that when society does demand a change here (either thru the free market or elected officials) then it will get done.

    JTH, check out where I started here. It was in response to someone who referenced “society”.

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 9:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”348174″][quote comment=”348172″][quote comment=”348163″]Dude, turn that clock forward. Standard time doesn’t start until November 1.[/quote]

    Yeah yeah. Got it. This is an Eastern Time Zone-centric site. Okay, fine.[/quote]

    Not so sure.
    If you got it, you wouldn’t have suggested any NFL game started at 12:00 noon, unless you were watching it in Bermuda. Were you watching it in Bermuda? Are you OK? Can you tell time? Are you on meds? Did you combine them with alcohol?
    I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt in a quasi-humorous manner, I thought. It has nothing to do with this being a site that originates in the east. Your original premise was just nonsense. Sorry, but it had to be said.[/quote]

    There will be plenty of games that start at noon in Chicago this year Leon.

    There will be plenty of games that start at noon in Green Bay, Minnesota, St. Louis, New Orleans… everywhere in the Central Time Zone. You’re going the wrong way. Bermuda has nothing to do with this.

    No. It didn’t “have to be said”. Yeah, I can tell time. No, I’m not on meds. None of that had to be said. “Nonsense” didn’t have to be added.

    What the hell is it tonight? I should have gotten out when I said I was.

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 9:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”348169″][quote comment=”348164″]Plus, as I noted, the owner who named them was an admitted racist, and southern proud of it.[/quote]

    Yeah, but Ricko-which owner of the earlier era wasn’t a something-ist and/or a something-phobe?

    Read the books on Halas. His favorite insult of the day wouldn’t go over big today with… well a lot of people; but Elton John in particular.

    This just seems like a reach to me. If the guy (we’re talking George Preston Marshall, correct?) was contributing to the Black College Fund, does that change your opinion on “Redskins”?[/quote]

    I just know he stubbornly clung to not employing black ahletes long after his fellow owners had changed—and publicly proclaimed it as his personal policy.

    Baseball isn’t quite the same. Yes, it took the Red Sox a long time to bring Pumpsie Green up to the big club, but they at least had blacks in their farm system. Marshall couldn’t bring himself to pay money to a black athlete.

    There was a TON of coverage of Marshall’s attitude (which he never denied) when the ‘Skins had the first overall draft choice, and speculation was they’d actually pass on Syracuse’s Ernie Davis because of Marshall’s views.

    That was the 1962 draft, considerably later than 1947.

    Granted, they did take him with choice, and subsequently traded him to Cleveland (without signing him) for a package that included Bobby Mitchell, which broke the color barrier for the team. But the whole affair widely publicized Marshall’s stiff-spined aversion to the idea of a black player on the ‘Skins. Remember following the story in the papers before and after the draft.

    —Ricko

  • Hott Rodd | September 15, 2009 at 9:58 pm |

    Hey Phil? What if I need an accent wall?

  • ATLShaun | September 15, 2009 at 10:00 pm |
  • Traxel | September 15, 2009 at 10:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”348164″][quote comment=”348157″][quote comment=”348150″]I try to stay away from this political nonsense, but tonight I’ll chime in.

    [quote comment=”348030″]No way. Still has the connotation. Society would never allow a team to be the LA Spicks or the Atlanta N*****s. [/quote]
    Good-you said society. Stop right there.

    The Redskins put their reputation & their popularity on the line every day they use the name. They gladly take the risk. If “society” doesn’t like the name, they won’t support them. They continue to sell out the stadium, they get sponsorships (FedEx, etc.), they sell commercials on their radio broadcasts and TV doesn’t adjust the NFL contract by saying “we won’t pay market price for a Redskins game”. (For that matter, nobody who advertises on Fox, CBS, NBC and ESPN has pulled their commercials AFAIK.) So what is “society” saying?

    I’d love to see how many members of Congress and other governmental officals are season ticket holders. Those people are ELECTED by “society”.

    [quote comment=”348030″]It is ridiculous that the courts have allowed this to go this far.[/quote]

    What exactly should the courts do; and what sort of precedent will be set when they do whatever you think they “should” do?[/quote]

    ok my $.02

    “redskins” as the previous poster you quoted had pointed out, is just about the most “hateful” racist term one can apply to native americans…if they wanted to go back to “braves” or were originally “just” the braves, i’d say maybe the PC bandwagonneers (lots of ‘bandwagon’ references today) were just puffing their chests (like those who oppose ANY references to native americans)

    the term ‘redskins’ however, should NOT be equated with ‘fighting sioux’, ‘seminoles’, ‘braves’, ‘fighting illini’, or plain old ‘indians’ — i won’t debate the merits of keeping or changing those names…

    but redskins is offensive, racist, hateful and hurtful

    it really, REALLY should be changed…like yesterday (despite what the courts have thus far ruled) and it shouldn’t take a lawsuit to make them do it[/quote]

    Plus, as I noted, the owner who named them was an admitted racist, and southern proud of it.

    Should the court make them change the name? Probably not, but the team is in a tough situation. If they DO change it, it’s like admitting they know they should have done it long ago.

    And, of course, there’s that pesky “expense of changing it” thing. About only way it could happen at the team’s volition without a ton of downside PR, would be when a new ownership group came in.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Gettin in waaay late here, got 3 boys on 3 different teams each with practices tonight. Okay, I KINDLY disagree but am glad yesterdays political complainers aren’t here (or are they???) Oh yeah, they said they wouldn’t be back! Damn bandwagoneers. I’d never jup off the UW bandwagon! I bet they are still closet readers…

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 10:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”348173″][quote comment=”348170″]
    ok, now you’re just being stupid[/quote]

    Seriously, WTF are YOU talking about?

    When they were at Sun Devil Stadium, Arizona would have started their games at night in September if they could. They couldn’t. Only one time slot available for them. THEY KNEW THE HEAT OF THE DAY MADE A DIFFERENCE TO THE TEAM AND THE FANS.

    Tampa has two time slots available. They can go early or late, unless TV dictates otherwise.

    I’m sorry if you’re not understanding this. I simply can’t dumb it down any more for you.[/quote]

    while i will give you that a shaded field (which may be more likely at 4:00 than at 1:00 pm) is also likely to be cooler for approximately half the stadium, your knowledge of the weather is not quite correct

    it is frequently warmer at 4:00 pm than it is at 1:00, due to such things as dirunal heating, or, to put it in simpler terms for you “the hottest part of the day” is usually NOT at noon

    and i wasn’t arguing about sun devil stadium…i was speaking of florida, which, you may not be aware, frequently has THUNDERSTORMS in the later hours (not quite so much in the late summer and fall, but they still occur), again, due to dirunal heating and thermodynamics, neither of which are exactly conducive to the fans or the players

    i assume you have heard how the marlins “need” a dome and why the rays have one

    please don’t argue florida weather with me when discussing the start of football games

    again, you had a valid point when discussing west coast teams having to come east to play the early game; your point about florida start times in september carries no weight due to weather concerns

    if weather were such a big deal, every december game should either be played in a dome or below the 39° 43′ n parallel (that’s the mason-dixon line for you non east-coast centric folks)

    that’s not gonna happen either

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 10:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”348182″]Hey Phil? What if I need an accent wall?[/quote]

    fern green

    thanks, i needed that ;)

  • JTH | September 15, 2009 at 10:06 pm |

    Speaking of accent walls. Here’s the answer to last night’s burning question.

    Fern Green.

    Oh, wait. It’s copper spittoon.

    Pumpkin harvest?

    Burnt cantaloupe?

    Bonus points to anyone who can name that thing hanging from the shower head.

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 10:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”348181″]I just know he stubbornly clung to not employing black ahletes long after his fellow owners had changed—and publicly proclaimed it as his personal policy.

    Baseball isn’t quite the same. Yes, it took the Red Sox a long time to bring Pumpsie Green up to the big club, but they at least had blacks in their farm system. Marshall couldn’t bring himself to pay money to a black athlete.

    There was a TON of coverage of Marshall’s attitude (which he never denied) when the ‘Skins had the first overall draft choice, and speculation was they’d actually pass on Syracuse’s Ernie Davis because of Marshall’s views.

    That was the 1962 draft, considerably later than 1947.

    Granted, they did take him with choice, and subsequently traded him to Cleveland (without signing him) for a package that included Bobby Mitchell, which broke the color barrier for the team. But the whole affair widely publicized Marshall’s stiff-spined aversion to the idea of a black player on the ‘Skins. Remember following the story in the papers before and after the draft.[/quote]

    Sure. That’s fine. FWIW, I never compared him specifically to baseball or said anything about 1962 or 1947. (Hey, Marge Schott isn’t a big favorite with a lot of people and she was in the 1980’s. I don’t think that has anything to do with today either.)

    I’m just saying that throwing this out as a reason to talk about “Redskins” here in 2009 is a bit of a reach. If Marshall was the owner of the Bears, Giants, etc. his attitude about employing minorities would have been the same: someone else would have owned the Redskins and (IMHO) the odds are good that the nickname would be the same today.

    -Marshall started/stayed with the name.
    -The incredibly rich guy with the weird wraparound glasses (father of Ralph and John) stayed with the name.
    -Snyder is staying with the name.

    People don’t like the name; fine. But that idea stands or falls on its own here in the year 2009. Going back 2-3 owners (and over 30 years) doesn’t make it any better or worse of a nickname. JMHO.

    BTW: if he didn’t want black players, then he “paid the price” on the field by losing, right? It’s roughly the same thing today. Adopt/keep an unpopular nickname and you’ll pay the price at the box office or in the owner’s meetings.

  • ATLShaun | September 15, 2009 at 10:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”348187″]Speaking of accent walls. Here’s the answer to last night’s burning question.

    Fern Green.

    Oh, wait. It’s copper spittoon.

    Pumpkin harvest?

    Burnt cantaloupe?

    Bonus points to anyone who can name that thing hanging from the shower head.[/quote]

    FISH!

  • JTH | September 15, 2009 at 10:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”348189″][quote comment=”348187″]Speaking of accent walls. Here’s the answer to last night’s burning question.

    Fern Green.

    Oh, wait. It’s copper spittoon.

    Pumpkin harvest?

    Burnt cantaloupe?

    Bonus points to anyone who can name that thing hanging from the shower head.[/quote]

    FISH![/quote]
    The judges will accept that.

  • Gusto44 | September 15, 2009 at 10:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”348146″]My 2 cents on the Steelers and bandwagon fans. I know for afact that many of the Steeler fans in my area are bandwagon fans.

    My dad grew up in SW Pa and he always loved the Steelers. So as young kid because of my dad so did I. I have posted a picture of me and my Steeler yellow helmet with single black stripe and black jersey with yellow stripes. I got those for Christmas around 1961 or so.

    The Steelers stunk for over 40 years. Never even winning a division crown. My buddy was a huge Browns fan but he was a bragging big mouth kid so that turned me off to the Browns. It was not until later that my Ohio pride kicked in and I became a Browns fan. Of course a long time Buckeyes fan too.

    I am mile from the Pa line. And near Youngstown, Ohio. Youngstown is halfway between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. When Pittsburgh stunk they dod not have the fans in my area. I know guys who began liking the Steerlers because of the 1970’s

    I have to say I hate seeing Steeler flags and fans from Ohio.

    So the Browns came into the NFL and dominated from the beginning. The Steelers sucked. But now and I hate to say it. The Steelers have one of the best organizations in the NFL. The Browns had a moron up and move the team to Baltimore. Now the Browns are still trying to build a good team.

    For the longest time I never thought the Steelers would take the series lead. It was not until the move of the Browns and recent Steeler dominance that that has happened.

    Pro sports is all about who has good management and organization. I follow the NFL some. But to me it does not compare to college football.

    Anyhow in my area for sure the Steelers got a ton of new bandwagon fans.[/quote]

    LarryB, it’s time you faced the truth.Having been a Browns fan for many years, you fell into a trap of misinformation common to those Ohio teams who have never reached even a single Super Bowl. I can tell you’re bitter, the fact that Cleveland has gone since 1964 without a sports title is incredible, even worse than the Pirates losing streak. Bitter Ohio NFL fans always become bandwagon Ohio State fans, I guess you have to find a winner somewhere. Hey, this just in: winning a Super Bowl is a little more impressive than a mythical national title.
    Your first error was saying the Steelers were bad for over 40 years. Actually, it’s closer to 30 years, before the 1972 breakthrough season.It won’t be long before the Steelers surpass the Browns overall winning percentage, either. Bottom line, no one can make the argument that the Browns franchise can match what Pittsburgh has done. Six Super Bowls definitely trumps four regular NFL titles. And there has never been a Browns title team called one of the best ever. Since the 1970s, the Steelers’ accomplishments are more impressive than the New York Yankees in baseball because they haven’t had the huge advantage of outspending everyone else.
    Sorry LarryB, someone had to tell you the truth, I think Cleveland and Cincy are in for another bad decade. Sorry.

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 10:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”348185″]
    while i will give you that a shaded field (which may be more likely at 4:00 than at 1:00 pm) is also likely to be cooler for approximately half the stadium, your knowledge of the weather is not quite correct

    it is frequently warmer at 4:00 pm than it is at 1:00, due to such things as dirunal heating, or, to put it in simpler terms for you “the hottest part of the day” is usually NOT at noon

    and i wasn’t arguing about sun devil stadium…i was speaking of florida, which, you may not be aware, frequently has THUNDERSTORMS in the later hours (not quite so much in the late summer and fall, but they still occur), again, due to dirunal heating and thermodynamics, neither of which are exactly conducive to the fans or the players

    i assume you have heard how the marlins “need” a dome and why the rays have one

    please don’t argue florida weather with me when discussing the start of football games

    again, you had a valid point when discussing west coast teams having to come east to play the early game; your point about florida start times in september carries no weight due to weather concerns

    if weather were such a big deal, every december game should either be played in a dome or below the 39° 43′ n parallel (that’s the mason-dixon line for you non east-coast centric folks)

    that’s not gonna happen either[/quote]

    I really wish you could have read the original post.

    IIRC, my entire post read like this:

    Somewhat related to this topic: was there any reason (besides televison) that the Buccaneers played at noon last Sunday? I think Jax will play at noon this Sunday too.

    Not good for the players, not good for the fans… silly IMHO. Those should be 3:00 games.

    It’s right there at #297. I asked for a reason besides television. Nothing else.

    You could simply resonded by demonstrating your knowledge of meteorology without the “WTF” or “stupid” remarks: or the “don’t talk to ME about Florida weather” and “Mason Dixon line” stuff for that matter.

    And neither of us would have wasted a lot of time.

    Seriously-not everyone needs your lecture on the Mason Dixon line, or the “WTF” or “stupid” remarks. Every once in a while you run into someone who just doesn’t like that. I’m one of those people.

  • MPowers1634 | September 15, 2009 at 10:22 pm |

    I am no M. Princip, but I know helmets.

    In the fourth picture of this Forham/Rhode Island photo gallery, offensive lineman #53 is wearing an Schutt Air Advantage facemask on a DNA helmet…It looks incredibly strange.

    http://www.fordhamsp...
    http://www.fordhamsp...

    It reminds me of a pic that I sent of an Iona Prep High school player wearing a DNA mask on a Riddell VSR-4.

    http://i256.photobuc...

  • Gusto44 | September 15, 2009 at 10:24 pm |

    Oops, forgot about those two Bengal super bowl losses to San Fran in the 80’s. My bad

  • JimV19 | September 15, 2009 at 10:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”348124″][quote comment=”348109″][quote comment=”348107″][quote comment=”348094″][quote comment=”348090″][quote comment=”348088″]Paul,

    Could not disagree with you more about the baseball diamond at Oakland last night. It makes the entire franchise look amateurish to me. With so many people having High Def TV’s and the game being on a national primetime stage, I’m flabbergasted the NFL chose that game for the first MNF night of the season.

    i couldn’t see the game because i don’t have cable, but this must be a generational thing, ’cause you’re nuts fella:) and what does high def have to do with anything? does dirt look different on my crap~ass set?

    It was so hidious to me, I had trouble watching it. I’m not exaggerating either.[/quote][/quote]

    Yeah, it probably is a generational thing, because my buddies also all remarked at hating seeing the infield on the gridiron.

    The HD does make a difference to me, and in the interest of full disclosure, I am an HD snob ever since getting one last year. Seeing beautiful grass in HD is awesome, seeing tampered baseball dirt is not in its place is not. Many of the teams who play in artificial turf stadiums look bad in HD too, the St. Louis Rams come to mind.[/quote]

    Still don’t see the big deal with HDTV. Then again I like a little hissing and popping on my records (kids, just picture a giant black CD), as long as they don’t skip. I also like listening to ball games on AM radio and my VCR’s still running fine. Although I’m not totally buried in the past – the iPod I got from Santa is pretty cool.

    Just to clarify, the Raiders ARE amateurish, no matter where they play. Actually, it was a great choice of venues, because kids, that’s the way the game used to be played. Teams had to (shudder) share fields instead of gouging the taxpayers for their own special stadium that sits idle most of the year. Maybe I’m biased because a muddy field made things a little more even for slowpokes like me, but why do today’s brats have to play on a pristine field? Yes, it’s fun watching speedsters, but it’s also fun watching a guy with good moves and balance staying on his feet while his defender slips to the ground, or vice versa.

    Man, I sound as old as Ricko. ;)[/quote]

    What is going to be interesting around here, with the Gophers back outdoors and the Twin soon to be, is if kids start understanding the weather doesn’t have to be perfect. Coaching over the years since the Metrodome was built, I have noticed that more and more kids thought a sprinkle should cancel Little League practice. Phone call: “It’s raining a little and kinda cloudy, Mr. Pearson. Are we still gonna have practice?” or worse “…my mom wants to know if we’re still gonna have practice.”

    Yes, lady, we are. Your kid won’t rust.

    —Ricko[/quote

    Those are some strange connections to make from my original comments. Not sure playing pee wee football in the rain really has much to do with my personal visual distate for seeing a baseball diamond on a football field.

    As for not seeing what the big deal about HD is, we’re clearly not operating on the same wavelengths at all.[/quote]

    It’s just an evolving conversation.

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 10:26 pm |

    “responded”, not “resonded”

  • Ricko | September 15, 2009 at 10:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”348188″][quote comment=”348181″]I just know he stubbornly clung to not employing black ahletes long after his fellow owners had changed—and publicly proclaimed it as his personal policy.

    Baseball isn’t quite the same. Yes, it took the Red Sox a long time to bring Pumpsie Green up to the big club, but they at least had blacks in their farm system. Marshall couldn’t bring himself to pay money to a black athlete.

    There was a TON of coverage of Marshall’s attitude (which he never denied) when the ‘Skins had the first overall draft choice, and speculation was they’d actually pass on Syracuse’s Ernie Davis because of Marshall’s views.

    That was the 1962 draft, considerably later than 1947.

    Granted, they did take him with choice, and subsequently traded him to Cleveland (without signing him) for a package that included Bobby Mitchell, which broke the color barrier for the team. But the whole affair widely publicized Marshall’s stiff-spined aversion to the idea of a black player on the ‘Skins. Remember following the story in the papers before and after the draft.[/quote]

    Sure. That’s fine. FWIW, I never compared him specifically to baseball or said anything about 1962 or 1947. (Hey, Marge Schott isn’t a big favorite with a lot of people and she was in the 1980’s. I don’t think that has anything to do with today either.)

    I’m just saying that throwing this out as a reason to talk about “Redskins” here in 2009 is a bit of a reach. If Marshall was the owner of the Bears, Giants, etc. his attitude about employing minorities would have been the same: someone else would have owned the Redskins and (IMHO) the odds are good that the nickname would be the same today.

    -Marshall started/stayed with the name.
    -The incredibly rich guy with the weird wraparound glasses (father of Ralph and John) stayed with the name.
    -Snyder is staying with the name.

    People don’t like the name; fine. But that idea stands or falls on its own here in the year 2009. Going back 2-3 owners (and over 30 years) doesn’t make it any better or worse of a nickname. JMHO.

    BTW: if he didn’t want black players, then he “paid the price” on the field by losing, right? It’s roughly the same thing today. Adopt/keep an unpopular nickname and you’ll pay the price at the box office or in the owner’s meetings.[/quote]

    You’re right, it was ME who compared 1962 to 1947, to show that some people evidently learned nothing in 15 years.

    The background of the nickname and people behind it aren’t relevant in 2009? No, not legally. But that isn’t what I said.

    All I was getting at was that Marshall’s background puts some extra “eyeroll” into discussion of the nickname.

    —Ricko

  • leon | September 15, 2009 at 10:33 pm |

    was there any reason (besides televison) that the Buccaneers played at noon last Sunday? I think Jax will play at noon this Sunday too.

    The Bucs played in Tampa at 1:00. 1:00 in Tampa.
    The Panthers played in charlotte at 1. 1 in charlotte
    The Ravens played at 1. 1 in Balt.
    Falcons at 1 , etc.

    Just because you may be central time centric, if you look at the official NFL sched, these games are listed as having a 1:00 start time. As are all early games on any given sunday.
    for you to say that the Bucs started at 12:00 is wrong. If they move the city of Tampa into the central time zone ,then some of their games may start at 12:00. and your premise that it was any hotter last sunday in tampa than any of the other cities mentioned above is wrong.

    your suggestion that the start time was determined by television is no revelation.
    Other games were determined (rightly or wrongly to be a better fit for the 4:00 (3 central) games. And you’re right about Bermuda.

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 10:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”348197″]
    All I was getting at was that Marshall’s background puts some extra “eyeroll” into discussion of the nickname.[/quote]
    Yeah, but that’s the limit for me.

    Interesting-ultimately of no relevance.

    (And that probably sums up my entire evening on UniWatch.)

  • LI Phil | September 15, 2009 at 10:35 pm |

    anotherguy

    i apologize to you for the condescending tone i took … and no, i probably shouldn’t have said “WTF” or “you’re being stupid” — quite honestly i thought your original point was the unfairness (which i agree with) of making west coast teams come east for the early game…and i also apologize for misunderstanding the original premise of your post

    normally, i’d contact you via email, like i do with a good number of posters on here

    but since you’ve been posting on this board for nigh on a year without once having given a legitimate email address, i can only respond to you on the boards

    if you’d like to discuss anything with me, you know how to reach me…i doubt you will though

  • Jeff P | September 15, 2009 at 10:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”348158″][quote comment=”348157″]it really, REALLY should be changed…like yesterday (despite what the courts have thus far ruled) and it shouldn’t take a lawsuit to make them do it[/quote]

    As noted, if it was so hateful, etc. that society demanded that it be changed yesterday, it would have been done. Money talks.

    The elected representatives of society haven’t seen it as so hateful that they won’t be seen supporting the name.

    It hasn’t been changed. Yesterday or today. What does that tell you?[/quote]
    The society that does matter has objected. And filed several lawsuits.

    I’m sorry, but because a majority decides it doesn’t sound racist to them it makes it not racist? I guess that made ‘nigger’ perfectly acceptable in the 50’s, just because the majority decided it didn’t offend them?

    I’m sorry, the “society has deemed it acceptable” line is about the weakest I’ve ever heard. If history teaches us anything at all- anything- it’s that societies as a whole are a pretty poor judge of character and morality. Hell, it was only in the 1940s that a huge society deemed it perfectly acceptable to eradicate an entire religion. And a decent sized portion of our society agreed with them.

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 10:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”348198″]for you to say that the Bucs started at 12:00 is wrong.[/quote] Fine.

    I simply can’t tell you how much I look forward to correcting people all year long when they talk about a 1:00 game in Chicago. (This is where I want the “rolleyes” emoticon.

    [quote comment=”348198″]and your premise that it was any hotter last sunday in tampa than any of the other cities mentioned above is wrong.[/quote]

    I never forwarded that premise. Can you point out where you saw it?

    I only talked about Tampa. Primarily because that was the game I noticed during the early time slot Sunday.

    [quote comment=”348198″]your suggestion that the start time was determined by television is no revelation.[/quote]

    I never said it was. As a matter of fact, I specifically asked for any reason BESIDE television.

    [quote comment=”348198″]And you’re right about Bermuda.[/quote]

    Trust me old friend, I knew that already.

    As noted above, there are a lot of people who don’t need the “meds” “alcohol” “can you tell time?” crap.

  • JimV19 | September 15, 2009 at 10:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”348146″]My 2 cents on the Steelers and bandwagon fans. I know for afact that many of the Steeler fans in my area are bandwagon fans.

    My dad grew up in SW Pa and he always loved the Steelers. So as young kid because of my dad so did I. I have posted a picture of me and my Steeler yellow helmet with single black stripe and black jersey with yellow stripes. I got those for Christmas around 1961 or so.

    The Steelers stunk for over 40 years. Never even winning a division crown. My buddy was a huge Browns fan but he was a bragging big mouth kid so that turned me off to the Browns. It was not until later that my Ohio pride kicked in and I became a Browns fan. Of course a long time Buckeyes fan too.

    I am mile from the Pa line. And near Youngstown, Ohio. Youngstown is halfway between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. When Pittsburgh stunk they dod not have the fans in my area. I know guys who began liking the Steerlers because of the 1970’s

    I have to say I hate seeing Steeler flags and fans from Ohio.[/quote]

    Well, some aren’t bandwagoners, so don’t assume – just fly your Browns flag and let others do what they want.

    My parents grew up in SW PA, near Chuck Muncie’s Uniontown. I traveled there every year as a kid and had lots of fun playing with my cousins who still live there. That, and the fact that I need to have SOMETHING I can agree on with my dad is why I am a Steelers fan, win or lose. I stuck with them in the David Woodley/Bubby Brister years, even when the Browns beat them 51-0 at home.

    Not that I need to explain myself. After all, as I said earlier, this is a free country, and you can root for any team, wherever you live. I don’t owe the Browns my allegiance just because I live in Ohio. I don’t even owe Akron U. my allegiance just because I went to school there. They gave me an education, I paid my tuition in full, we’re even. If I want to root for Penn State now, then God bless America I will.

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 10:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”348200″]
    i apologize [/quote]

    Fair enough IMHO right there.

    And the same from me back to you.

    FWLIW: I probably started here maybe around March Madness of this year.

  • anotherguy | September 15, 2009 at 10:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”348201″]

    I guess that made ‘nigger’ perfectly acceptable in the 50’s, just because the majority decided it didn’t offend them?

    [/quote]
    No.

    But it changed (in general usage in language) when it did.

    We’re talking about a legal remedy. IMHO, Congress is the best place for that.

  • ATLShaun | September 15, 2009 at 10:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”348190″][quote comment=”348189″][quote comment=”348187″]Speaking of accent walls. Here’s the answer to last night’s burning question.

    Fern Green.

    Oh, wait. It’s copper spittoon.

    Pumpkin harvest?

    Burnt cantaloupe?

    Bonus points to anyone who can name that thing hanging from the shower head.[/quote]

    FISH![/quote]
    The judges will accept that.[/quote]

    thats actually a pretty neat idea

  • Gusto44 | September 15, 2009 at 11:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”348203″][quote comment=”348146″]My 2 cents on the Steelers and bandwagon fans. I know for afact that many of the Steeler fans in my area are bandwagon fans.

    My dad grew up in SW Pa and he always loved the Steelers. So as young kid because of my dad so did I. I have posted a picture of me and my Steeler yellow helmet with single black stripe and black jersey with yellow stripes. I got those for Christmas around 1961 or so.

    The Steelers stunk for over 40 years. Never even winning a division crown. My buddy was a huge Browns fan but he was a bragging big mouth kid so that turned me off to the Browns. It was not until later that my Ohio pride kicked in and I became a Browns fan. Of course a long time Buckeyes fan too.

    I am mile from the Pa line. And near Youngstown, Ohio. Youngstown is halfway between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. When Pittsburgh stunk they dod not have the fans in my area. I know guys who began liking the Steerlers because of the 1970’s

    I have to say I hate seeing Steeler flags and fans from Ohio.[/quote]

    Well, some aren’t bandwagoners, so don’t assume – just fly your Browns flag and let others do what they want.

    My parents grew up in SW PA, near Chuck Muncie’s Uniontown. I traveled there every year as a kid and had lots of fun playing with my cousins who still live there. That, and the fact that I need to have SOMETHING I can agree on with my dad is why I am a Steelers fan, win or lose. I stuck with them in the David Woodley/Bubby Brister years, even when the Browns beat them 51-0 at home.

    Not that I need to explain myself. After all, as I said earlier, this is a free country, and you can root for any team, wherever you live. I don’t owe the Browns my allegiance just because I live in Ohio. I don’t even owe Akron U. my allegiance just because I went to school there. They gave me an education, I paid my tuition in full, we’re even. If I want to root for Penn State now, then God bless America I will.[/quote]

    Wow, a David Woodley reference, Todd Blackledge was also a Steeler in that era. 1985-86 and 1988 were extremely rare losing seasons, but 1989 was one of my favorite Steeler teams. You’re right, the Steelers lost big to Cleveland that year, and the Bungles blew them out the following week, 42-10. Incredibly, Chuck Noll righted the ship, and Pittsburgh earned a Wildcard playoff berth. Then, they upset Houston at the Astrodome, and came within two points of beating eventual AFC champ Denver at Mile High Stadium. Merril Hoge ran for over 100 yards in bothe playoff contests.

  • JimV19 | September 15, 2009 at 11:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”348191″][quote comment=”348146″]Bitter Ohio NFL fans always become bandwagon Ohio State fans, I guess you have to find a winner somewhere. Hey, this just in: winning a Super Bowl is a little more impressive than a mythical national title.[/quote]

    At least they beat Miami to do it, though. I wouldn’t say always, but there are lots of OSU bandwagoners, even amongst my fellow Akron grads and Kent State grads. The Cleveland media fawn all over Overrated State University, to the point that you’re seen as an alien if you don’t jump on the wagon. Now I don’t know which ones are the real fans (well two cousins went there, so I know they’re real), so when I see an OSU flag or item of clothing I just say to each his own and quietly hum the Michigan fight song to myself. Gotta learn Penn State’s someday…

  • mike 2 | September 15, 2009 at 11:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”348205″][quote comment=”348201″]

    I guess that made ‘nigger’ perfectly acceptable in the 50’s, just because the majority decided it didn’t offend them?

    [/quote]
    No.

    But it changed (in general usage in language) when it did.

    We’re talking about a legal remedy. IMHO, Congress is the best place for that.[/quote]

    Congress already did speak. They said you can’t have a trademark if it is disparaging or defamatory (I forget the exact words). Now its up to the courts to decide. Congress isn’t in the business of deciding individual disputes, just making the rules.

    In fact, the courts did decide (in 1999) that the Redskins trademark is disparaging, but threw the case out because the plaintiffs took too long to bring it.

    No court is being asked to change the name of the team, the only issue is whether they can keep the trademark. If they lose the trademark they can keep the name but they can’t prevent anyone else from using it. Everyone and their dog can make and sell Redskins merchandise and the team and league don’t get a cut. Which is a pretty good incentive to change the name, though not a legal requirement.

  • Gusto44 | September 15, 2009 at 11:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”348209″][quote comment=”348205″][quote comment=”348201″]

    I guess that made ‘nigger’ perfectly acceptable in the 50’s, just because the majority decided it didn’t offend them?

    [/quote]
    No.

    But it changed (in general usage in language) when it did.

    We’re talking about a legal remedy. IMHO, Congress is the best place for that.[/quote]

    Congress already did speak. They said you can’t have a trademark if it is disparaging or defamatory (I forget the exact words). Now its up to the courts to decide. Congress isn’t in the business of deciding individual disputes, just making the rules.

    In fact, the courts did decide (in 1999) that the Redskins trademark is disparaging, but threw the case out because the plaintiffs took too long to bring it.

    No court is being asked to change the name of the team, the only issue is whether they can keep the trademark. If they lose the trademark they can keep the name but they can’t prevent anyone else from using it. Everyone and their dog can make and sell Redskins merchandise and the team and league don’t get a cut. Which is a pretty good incentive to change the name, though not a legal requirement.[/quote]

    If the Washington Redskins were indeed forced to change their nickname, can’t think of a better replacement than Bullets! A Washington Bullets football uniform has potential, you’d have to place bullets on both the helmet and jersey/pants.

  • Chuck | September 16, 2009 at 12:17 am |

    [quote comment=”348139″]I have to admit that I miss the character of the old municipal stadiums like Cleveland, Baltimore, Fulton County, Metropolitan, etc. There was something cool about the shared venues, even though it usually ended up being not so great for viewing either sport. You could always look forward to the early season games on the infield dirt, and could usually tell where it was just by the configuration if nothing else. They had a warmth and charm that the new, bland antiseptic football stadiums utterly lack. And I know the modern buildings have more bathrooms, luxury suites, better sightlines, etc., but I don’t give a shit about that since I’d never pay to go sit in one to begin with. My point is that, on t.v., I think the new places look like crap. Give me infield dirt through October over plastic fields any day. And think how much better it would be in January if we could get some snow and mud![/quote]

    great post! I could not agree more. I loved the old Cleveland Municipal Stadium!

  • ballzy | September 16, 2009 at 12:19 am |
  • rpm | September 16, 2009 at 12:53 am |

    [quote comment=”348158″][quote comment=”348157″]it really, REALLY should be changed…like yesterday (despite what the courts have thus far ruled) and it shouldn’t take a lawsuit to make them do it[/quote]

    As noted, if it was so hateful, etc. that society demanded that it be changed yesterday, it would have been done. Money talks.

    The elected representatives of society haven’t seen it as so hateful that they won’t be seen supporting the name.

    It hasn’t been changed. Yesterday or today. What does that tell you?[/quote]

    tells me people are dumb.

  • sportability | September 16, 2009 at 1:14 am |

    With regards to coincidence or parental planning, it was definitely parental planning… check out his hometown.

  • JimV19 | September 16, 2009 at 2:42 am |

    [quote comment=”348211″][quote comment=”348139″]I have to admit that I miss the character of the old municipal stadiums like Cleveland, Baltimore, Fulton County, Metropolitan, etc. There was something cool about the shared venues, even though it usually ended up being not so great for viewing either sport. You could always look forward to the early season games on the infield dirt, and could usually tell where it was just by the configuration if nothing else. They had a warmth and charm that the new, bland antiseptic football stadiums utterly lack. And I know the modern buildings have more bathrooms, luxury suites, better sightlines, etc., but I don’t give a shit about that since I’d never pay to go sit in one to begin with. My point is that, on t.v., I think the new places look like crap. Give me infield dirt through October over plastic fields any day. And think how much better it would be in January if we could get some snow and mud![/quote]

    great post! I could not agree more.

    I loved the old Cleveland Municipal Stadium![/quote]

    Ditto, almost as nice as the old Coliseum!

  • steve | September 16, 2009 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”347894″]LOVED the games last night… it was a visual orgy.

    Was anyone else bothered by the fact the Pats used Flying Elvis as their field graphic? It seemed REALLY out of place. They should have used an AFL logo instead, IMHO (hey, it was on the ref’s unis, so why not?).[/quote]

    I agree!!! The field logo and the inflatable helmet they ran out of. I’ve become quite the stickler since readnig this site