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Lance a Lot

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[Editor’s Note: Uni Watch bench coach emeritus Bryan Redemske checks in today to bring us up to date on the cycling scene. — PL]

By Bryan Redemske

Hey, Lance Armstrong is back — you may have heard about that. His comeback with Team Astana started in January at the Tour Down Under in Australia and continued last week at the Tour of California.

Since he’s, well, Lance, both races enjoyed record crowds and heightened media exposure, which made some uni-related oddities a lot more noticeable.

Lance has always lived by his his own set of uni rules (he wore three different lids in his final Tour de France alone), but this comeback has taken things even further. In training, Lance wears full Livestrong kit, rather than the Astana kit worn by his teammates. And this is the team-issue Astana helmet … which Lance doesn’t wear. He’s worn a pair of Livestrong-branded lids so far — one with more yellow than the other. Note also the visor on that second one. That model (Giro Ionos) isn’t available — or even compatible — with a visor. More custom work, to be sure.

The weather was pretty brutal for the first few days in California, which brought out vests, jackets and everything short of snowmobile suits. Most riders went for a team-colored vest or jacket, but Lance did not. Not even close. He also opted for black Nike arm and knee warmers, rather than team-issue navy blue.

Lance’s bike was different from his teammates’, too. That’s been one of his hallmarks for a number of years — he’s always had three or four different paint jobs on hand. Astana’s Levi Leipheimer (who won the race) had a special paint job on his time trial bike as well. That’s a bear, by the way, on the frame — Leipheimer lives in California (though he’s actually from Montana).

Finally, there’s the yellow band on the left cuff of Astana’s jersey and shorts. It symbolizes the Livestrong band, which was present through all three years of Lance’s Discovery Channel sponsorship, and is now on the Astana kit this season (but not last season). But Lance’s bands actually say Livestrong. They didn’t in the Tour Down Under, however.

In non-Lance news:

• Check out the writing on the left leg of this Cervelo TestTeam rider. That says “Innovate, Sacrifice, Unite, Succeed.” The interesting part is the orientation — it’s right-side up to the wearer only.

• Team Columbia-High Road (formerly T-Mobile) wore two different styles of shorts. One was mostly white, one had more black. Neither helped take attention away from those stupid jersey abs.

• Rock Racing, the team that had nearly two dozen different kits last season (viewable — and available for purchase — here), is back. Rumors flew all winter about whether the team would even start the season. So the theme is “Rock’s Not Dead.” OK … but maybe there should have been more consideration toward word placement. Having “dead” scrawled across my junk wouldn’t be the first choice. Plus, the kit design in general kind of makes them look like clowns.

• Frank Schleck’s Luxemborg national champion jersey (center) is one of the few that look awesome with a team logo. Here’s the standard Saxo Bank (formerly CSC) kit. Combining a national champion’s colors with a team kit rarely works so well. We’re looking at you, Rock Racing. That’s U.S. national champion Tyler Hamilton at the front, by the way. The stars and stripes are in there somewhere.

Ah, the crack of the ball on the bat, the prick of the syringe on the butt cheek…: Paul here. My annual spring training roundup column is up now on Page 2. This column also includes the first working installment of the long-planned Uni Watch Glossary, which I’ll later make into a permanent page on this site.

Raffle Results: That’s right, you didn’t win again — unless your name is Steve Seager, that is.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Classic Old School Gear prexy Alain Nana-Sinkam was recently hired for a project by Kansas State: “Their Marketing and Promotions Director saw my ad on Uni Watch and e-mailed me mid-January about making jerseys for four players whose jersey numbers would be retired at the end of the season,” writes Alain. “There are two women (Priscilla Gary and Tammie Romstad) and two men ( Willie Murrell and Mitch Richmond). The jerseys we did were based on photos and other research and are meant to match what the players wore during their careers.” … The Arkansas baseball teams has unveiled four new uni designs, two of which are shown here and here (with thanks to Charlie Shields). … Good spot by Shawn Bleiler, who notes that the current Eastbay and Modell’s catalogs are using the same cover photo. … Soccer note from Patrick Runge, who writes: “Crystal Palace rolled out a series of choices for next year’s kit design. The fans were less than pleased, a local paper ran a mildly critical article, and now the team is boycotting the paper.” And now the fans have come up with their own design proposal. … Kenn Tomasch notes that the Houston Dynamo were wearing a black armband the other day, but he’s not sure who it was memorializing. … The Women’s Professional Soccer league should be out of business within, what, four months or so, right? So take a look at their uniforms (several of which feature skirts) while you can. … Oh, but wait, it turns out that the skirts won’t be worn in games because the league will fold before any games are played (thanks to Craig Justice for that clarification). … And there’s some further analysis of the WPS uniforms here and here. … The Marquette women’s hoops team wore collared, sleeved throwback tops (but not shorts) on Saturday, but only for warm-ups (with thanks to Blain Fowler). … If you normally pull your pant cuffs down over your heels, what do you do for footwear-free sliding drills? Pull your cuffs down over the heels of your socks (good find by Phil Johnson). … Uni number news from Yankees camp, where Brett Tomko is now wearing No. 28 and Melky Cabrera has No. 53 (with thanks to Stephen King). … Speaking of uni numbers, Jose Valentin is in Mets camp as a non-roster invitee and is wearing No. 99. I’m not positive about this, but I think that’s because 9 + 9 = 18, which was Valentin’s number back in his first stint with the Mets. That number is now worn by Jeremy Reed. … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: Not sure if I’ve ever seen a pennant design like the one shown here. … Lots of photos of Auburn’s new retro-styled baseball uniforms here (with thanks to Jonathon Binet). … The best uniforms I’ve seen so far this year can be found in this comic (genius find by Larry Torrez). … “Looks like the Cubs may have switched back to traditional helmets,” says Bryan, who’s really back in force today. “Either that, or they don’t ship Cool-Flo helmets to Arizona. That seems unlikely, given the rest of the stuff that gets shipped.” … Thomas Miller, who’s the assistant minor league equipment manager for the Milwaukee Brewers and Nashville Sounds, sent along some pics of the team’s minor league complex, where they have framed jerseys of all the Brewers affiliates. … FNOB alert, of sorts (with thanks to Dan Cichalski). … Kenny Crookston snagged this for two bucks at a thrift store. “Not exactly uni-related,” he says, “except that I plan on wearing it to the Indians’ home opener on April 10th.” … You may have heard and/or seen that Rich Eisen ran a 40-yard “dash” while weaing a suit at the NFL combine the other day. What you might not have noticed (but Chris Flinn did) is that the old NFL logo appears at the very beginning of the video segment — which is particularly odd given that this footage is from the NFL Network. … Bosox minor leaguer Ryan Khoury wore a plain double-flapped helmet in last night’s spring training game against the Twins (screen grab courtesy of Nick Hanson). … Mirko Vucinic got caught on-camera making some extracurricular adjustments the other day (with thanks to Matt Beaudin). … Everything from here to the end of the Ticker is from Phil: In a shocking display of misplaced financial priorities, a Cincinnati elementary school is taking funds that were budgeted for buying basketball uniforms and using them to help a sick kid. … The Bobcats’ D-League affiliate will dangle the NBA carrot in front of its players’ noses on Saturday by having them wear Bobcats uniforms. … The Illinois hoops team has already announced that it won’t have NOBs next season. … Hey, wait, here’s one more WPS uniform. Oops, it’s actually the latest Oregon cheeleading outfits, coming soon to a Girls Gone Wild video near you.

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Steeltown-Bound: By the time you read this, I’ll be on my way to Pittsburgh. Phil will be handling the site from now through next Monday (thanks, buddy). All e-mail sent to the usual Uni Watch address will be forwarded to him, or you can send him Ticker contributions directly.

Hope to see lots of you on Sunday, 1pm, at Max’s. Rob Ullman (who hails from Pittsburgh but now lives in Virginia) sent me a small batch of these Steeler Girl decals to distribute at the shindig. First come, first served, so it’ll pay to arrive early. Too bad this auction won’t end until after the party, but one of your Pittsburghers out there really ought to bid on it anyway.

 

105 comments to Lance a Lot

  • smitty | February 26, 2009 at 6:44 am |

    that’s LuxemboUrg please. Hey, it’s a little country but they like to spell it that way.

  • Ry Co 40 | February 26, 2009 at 8:19 am |

    great post bryan!

    “Lance has always lived by his his own set of uni rules”

    hockey’s version of that, sort of, would HAVE to go to teemu selanne. look up pictures of him and it seems he’s almost ALWAYS using different equipment. this year alone i’ve seen him wear both mission and nike/bauer gloves. i’ve seen him use warrior, rbk, AND a nike/bauer stick. 2 different models of nike/bauer skates. he sticks with that jofa helmet though, i’ll give him that. in a sport with some of the most superstitious and picky humans, selanne seems to just grab whatever and go! anybody else notice this?

  • LI Phil | February 26, 2009 at 8:21 am |

    [quote]Kenn Tomasch notes that the Houston Dynamo were wearing a black armband the other day, but he’s not sure who it was memorializing[/quote]

    the armbands are supposedly for brian holden, but they’re really for the WPSL, no? ;)

  • JTH | February 26, 2009 at 8:22 am |

    GAH! This Arkansas baseball uni looks great except for three things that completely ruin it for me. (And I’m not even talking about the Adidas logo)

    1) The logo is on the right and the number is on the left. Why?
    2) Aforementioned logo and number are at different heights on the jersey. Why?
    3) The sleeve patch is on the right sleeve, not the left. Again, why?

    It almost looks like the image was flipped.

  • the rAKe | February 26, 2009 at 8:37 am |

    [quote comment=”316366″][quote]Kenn Tomasch notes that the Houston Dynamo were wearing a black armband the other day, but he’s not sure who it was memorializing[/quote]

    the armbands are supposedly for brian holden, but they’re really for the WPSL, no? ;)[/quote]
    The announcers for the “Champion’s League” match said that the light blue band on the bottom of the left sleeve was for Brian Holden. The black armbands were only worn by a few players. No mention of the black armbands.

  • Scott | February 26, 2009 at 8:42 am |

    Phil, while in Pittsburgh, see whether you can get the Rooneys to revert back to the pre 1997 jerseys (back to the traditional block numbers), which Nike pushed on the Stillers.

    There are online petitions out there to restore back to that uniform – with over 1000 signatures.

  • Bob A | February 26, 2009 at 9:03 am |

    Hey Phil, the last links (Illinois and Oregon c’leaders), run together. Please fix it so I don’t have to google ‘Oregon cheerleaders” here at work. ;-)

  • Glen | February 26, 2009 at 9:06 am |

    Photo album of Indiana State’s powder blue baseball jerseys

    http://www.gosycamor...

  • KT | February 26, 2009 at 9:24 am |

    I saw black armbands on all the Dynamo players except Pat Onstad. It would make no sense for part, but not all, of a team to wear black armbands to memorialize someone (though, again, what happened to Onstad’s, I don’t know.)

    Most MLS teams won’t play a competitive match for at least another month, but the Dynamo, who wore black armbands to honor Brian Holden, had a chance to do something special Tuesday.”

    The baby blue or grey left sleeve looks to have been a design choice, not a memorial.

    And the Eisen thing may not have happened this week, given that him running the 40 in a suit is the cover of his book, Total Access, which came out in October 2007. Which would explain the logo.

  • KT | February 26, 2009 at 9:25 am |

    Oh, my bad. I didn’t realize that running the 40 in a suit is something that tool does every year. I wouldn’t watch the Combine if you threatened to put my head in an actual wheat combine.

  • Mike | February 26, 2009 at 9:27 am |

    Is that a four-leaf clover on the Dodgers St. Paddy’s jersey (in the Page 2 article)? Irish Shamrocks have 3 leaves, not four.

  • Bernard | February 26, 2009 at 9:29 am |

    [quote comment=”316369″]Phil, while in Pittsburgh, see whether you can get the Rooneys to revert back to the pre 1997 jerseys (back to the traditional block numbers), which Nike pushed on the Stillers.

    There are online petitions out there to restore back to that uniform – with over 1000 signatures.[/quote]

    I consider myself to be something of a traditionalist (and a huge Steelers fan), so I’m a little surprised that I’m putting this in print. But I like the jerseys with the new number font. I don’t prefer them, but I like them. I even like the chest patch. I think it’s a pretty clean look.

  • LI Phil | February 26, 2009 at 9:30 am |

    [quote comment=”316370″]Hey Phil, the last links (Illinois and Oregon c’leaders), run together. Please fix it so I don’t have to google ‘Oregon cheerleaders” here at work. ;-)[/quote]

    fixed. thanks

  • u2-horn | February 26, 2009 at 9:30 am |

    I don’t think the Rangers have busted out any CoolFlo helmets yet either….

  • kj | February 26, 2009 at 9:49 am |

    What’s with all the WPS hate, eh?

  • KT | February 26, 2009 at 9:50 am |

    Last things:

    1.It’s not the WPSL, it’s just WPS. Our soccer leagues, for some reason, like to complicate their lives by adopting unconventional names/abbreviations.

    2.While its long-term prospects are subject to the same challenges that any women’s niche sports league that’s not propped up by the largesse of David Stern, they’re unlikely to fold before playing a game (first game 3/29). This is good because I’m hoping for some work from them this summer.

  • timmy b | February 26, 2009 at 9:54 am |

    [quote comment=”316375″][quote comment=”316369″]Phil, while in Pittsburgh, see whether you can get the Rooneys to revert back to the pre 1997 jerseys (back to the traditional block numbers), which Nike pushed on the Stillers.

    There are online petitions out there to restore back to that uniform – with over 1000 signatures.[/quote]

    I consider myself to be something of a traditionalist (and a huge Steelers fan), so I’m a little surprised that I’m putting this in print. But I like the jerseys with the new number font. I don’t prefer them, but I like them. I even like the chest patch. I think it’s a pretty clean look.[/quote]

    Y’know what, Bernard? I’m with ya! I like the look. A bit disctinctive, and now they’ve won 2 super bowl wearing the rounds.

  • Hott Rodd | February 26, 2009 at 10:14 am |

    [quote comment=”316377″]I don’t think the Rangers have busted out any CoolFlo helmets yet either….[/quote]

    Considering it’s been in the High 80’s here the past few days, I would say if they are going to be worn, they will be worn soon.

  • Smail | February 26, 2009 at 10:26 am |

    That pennant reminds me of a military/Civil War era cavalry pennant.

  • War Damn Eagle | February 26, 2009 at 10:29 am |

    [quote comment=”316381″][quote comment=”316377″]I don’t think the Rangers have busted out any CoolFlo helmets yet either….[/quote]

    Considering it’s been in the High 80’s here the past few days, I would say if they are going to be worn, they will be worn soon.[/quote]

    I don’t think those red/blue cool-flo helmets are ever going to see the light of day. I’m willing to bet the players hate them, and have probably refused to wear such a ridiculous look. It’s the dumbest looking helmet since this:

    http://z.lee28.tripo...

  • Ricko | February 26, 2009 at 10:31 am |

    Well, those of you near a TV at midday, enjoy the Astros and Braves on ESPN.

    You lucky devils.

    —Ricko

  • War Damn Eagle | February 26, 2009 at 10:36 am |

    Some of the Yankees wore the BP caps yesterday, and some wore the regular game caps (cough, Jeter, cough). Jeez, people, pick a hat, I don’t care which, and have everybody wear it – that’s why they call it a “uniform.” Also, Kei Igawa pitched with sunglasses.

    http://sports.yahoo....

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • War Damn Eagle | February 26, 2009 at 10:38 am |

    It’s stupid. Wear the same hat!

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • David | February 26, 2009 at 10:58 am |

    Those were the best Oregon uni\’s ever. Probably the only ones worth looking at too.

  • ScottMason | February 26, 2009 at 11:09 am |

    Iowa broke out its road blacks last night at Michigan State. No screen grabs, but I can tell you that you could not read their numbers. Jerseys are black…numbers are black with thin gold outline. Terrible.

  • Jeff P | February 26, 2009 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”316385″]Some of the Yankees wore the BP caps yesterday, and some wore the regular game caps (cough, Jeter, cough). Jeez, people, pick a hat, I don’t care which, and have everybody wear it – that’s why they call it a “uniform.” Also, Kei Igawa pitched with sunglasses.

    http://sports.yahoo....

    http://sports.yahoo....

    I would guess that Jeter just hates the strech fit. I certainly don’t blame him, I can never wear those comfortably. Part of it is a small head that they’re not well built for, but the feel of a stretchy hat is different on the head.

    And I haven’t worn that exact model, but the New era strech fit I have is extremely uncomfortable due to the stiffness of the embroidery on the front.

    It’s spring training. Relax. When it matters they’ll all be wearing the same hat in games with the exception of a few with gray underbills and wool caps. Until then, I’m not going to blame a guy for wearing a hat he’s comfortable in.

    The other question is what’s the point of having a BP or spring training cap now anyway (other then money, which I know is the primary reason)? The new 5950 has all the performance properties of the other hats now.

  • Johnny O | February 26, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    No mention of the Brewers change to their BP hats this year?

    Also, The Brewers All-Star RF, Corey Hart, is sporting a new tattoo on his right forearm.
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Anyways, I was just wondering after seeing the Texas Ranger’s BP uni’s, how many teams have a patch on their BP uni?

  • The Hemogoblin | February 26, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    Why the hell am I up so early?

    Oh, that’s right. The idiots who live in my hall can’t keep it clean, so now we’re each facing $50 in charges.

  • peter | February 26, 2009 at 11:51 am |

    [quote comment=”316378″]What’s with all the WPS hate, eh?[/quote]

    http://en.wikipedia....

    It’s not hate…it’s reality…if WNBA is treading water…Women’s soccer doesn’t have any chance in the near future…

    It’s like women’s hockey…sure it’s there…but to be honest, unless someone I know is playing…I have zero interest in watching or spending my dollars…

  • Teebz | February 26, 2009 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”316385″]Some of the Yankees wore the BP caps yesterday, and some wore the regular game caps (cough, Jeter, cough). Jeez, people, pick a hat, I don’t care which, and have everybody wear it – that’s why they call it a “uniform.” Also, Kei Igawa pitched with sunglasses.

    http://sports.yahoo....

    http://sports.yahoo....

    If I were playing, I’d be going Jeter’s route.

    Eff the special hats for spring training/BP. And while we’re at it, screw the BP jerseys too. I’m a baseball player. Give me what I’m going to be wearing on the field.

    You want me to sell more merchandise? Get MLB to send me a contract to pimp this crap that no one buys. Otherwise, give me a gamer if I’m playing in the game. That’s what people buy, and that’s what they want to see me in.

  • DJ | February 26, 2009 at 11:52 am |

    It’s the dumbest looking helmet since this:

    http://z.lee28.tripo

    At least the Expos’ helmet matched the cap.

  • Chip | February 26, 2009 at 11:57 am |

    I don’t think that picture is of the Rangers BP jersey. That looks more like the cool-base alternate. The buttons go all the way down and the underarm gussets look more like the alt jersey.

  • Patrick | February 26, 2009 at 12:03 pm |

    I love that Arkansas “A” uni and the Auburn throwbacks (except for the annoying adidas and UA logos). And those college guys actually know how to wear their pants, for the most part.

  • jesse | February 26, 2009 at 12:05 pm |

    I agree w/Teebz. All the spring training/BP gear is straight garbage.

  • Ricko | February 26, 2009 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”316397″]I agree w/Teebz. All the spring training/BP gear is straight garbage.[/quote]

    Yeah, but we kinda give it a pass when we’re sitting waiting for from 6-8″ inches of snow and lousy commute home (such as today in MSP).

    Garbage or not, somewhere someone’s playing baseball on green grass under blue sky.

    —Ricko

  • chance | February 26, 2009 at 12:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”316390″]No mention of the Brewers change to their BP hats this year?
    [/quote]

    We talked about it a couple days ago, including the tidbit that the MLB shop is still selling the old ones, though only in Small/Medium, probably until they unload the old stock.

  • JTH | February 26, 2009 at 12:21 pm |

    Featheredge: another striping style for the glossary.

    Or is it feather edge?

    Feather-edge?

  • Teebz | February 26, 2009 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”316398″][quote comment=”316397″]I agree w/Teebz. All the spring training/BP gear is straight garbage.[/quote]

    Yeah, but we kinda give it a pass when we’re sitting waiting for from 6-8″ inches of snow and lousy commute home (such as today in MSP).

    Garbage or not, somewhere someone’s playing baseball on green grass under blue sky.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    If we give it a pass, then we’re ok’ing mediocrity.

    Give me the real thing – real baseball. Not some clowns dressed up in gear no one wants.

    I’m in colder weather than you, Ricko, and I don’t accept spring training as baseball. It’s Club Med for veterans while young guys bust their asses for a real jersey.

    Let them wear the real thing. A sense of pride does wonders for confidence and effort.

  • jesse | February 26, 2009 at 12:35 pm |

    As has been discussed before, the BP gear has been produced to make money, that’s it. It looks like trash, and really, when was the last time you have seen a fan at a stadium or somewhere else either wearing/purchasing it?

  • Andy11 | February 26, 2009 at 12:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”316401″][quote comment=”316398″][quote comment=”316397″]I agree w/Teebz. All the spring training/BP gear is straight garbage.[/quote]

    Yeah, but we kinda give it a pass when we’re sitting waiting for from 6-8″ inches of snow and lousy commute home (such as today in MSP).

    Garbage or not, somewhere someone’s playing baseball on green grass under blue sky.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    If we give it a pass, then we’re ok’ing mediocrity.

    Give me the real thing – real baseball. Not some clowns dressed up in gear no one wants.

    I’m in colder weather than you, Ricko, and I don’t accept spring training as baseball. It’s Club Med for veterans while young guys bust their asses for a real jersey.

    Let them wear the real thing. A sense of pride does wonders for confidence and effort.[/quote]

    Although spring training is “real baseball” I guess, I wouldn’t consider it to be “real competition”. Spring training is mediocre baseball. It’s essentially a series of scrimmages, right? Games that don’t count? Why should they wear their competition jerseys for these scrimmages? Batting practice is…practice. Why should they wear their jerseys for practice? Who cares what they wear during scrimmages and practice? I don’t think these guys need to have their teams’ real game jerseys on every time they set foot on a baseball field.

  • Teebz | February 26, 2009 at 12:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”316403″]It’s essentially a series of scrimmages, right? Games that don’t count? Why should they wear their competition jerseys for these scrimmages? Batting practice is…practice. Why should they wear their jerseys for practice? Who cares what they wear during scrimmages and practice? I don’t think these guys need to have their teams’ real game jerseys on every time they set foot on a baseball field.[/quote]

    Because they’re competing for a job?

    Practices are a completely different thing. Charging money to watch guys play in scrubs is another.

  • Ricko | February 26, 2009 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”316401″][quote comment=”316398″][quote comment=”316397″]I agree w/Teebz. All the spring training/BP gear is straight garbage.[/quote]

    Yeah, but we kinda give it a pass when we’re sitting waiting for from 6-8″ inches of snow and lousy commute home (such as today in MSP).

    Garbage or not, somewhere someone’s playing baseball on green grass under blue sky.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    If we give it a pass, then we’re ok’ing mediocrity.

    Give me the real thing – real baseball. Not some clowns dressed up in gear no one wants.

    I’m in colder weather than you, Ricko, and I don’t accept spring training as baseball. It’s Club Med for veterans while young guys bust their asses for a real jersey.

    Let them wear the real thing. A sense of pride does wonders for confidence and effort.[/quote]

    LOL. Just saying that at first it’s such a great, welcome sign of warm weather that it usually takes a couple weeks for the BP stuff to get annoying to me. But then it does, definitely, and I stop giving it a pass. Know what I mean?

    It’s that initial primal reaction, I guess.
    “Look, Gorg, sun come BACK!!!”
    Two weeks later…
    “Unnnn, why wear ugly blue shirt?”

    —Ricko

  • chance | February 26, 2009 at 1:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”316402″]As has been discussed before, the BP gear has been produced to make money, that’s it. It looks like trash, and really, when was the last time you have seen a fan at a stadium or somewhere else either wearing/purchasing it?[/quote]
    If people didn’t buy it, the teams wouldn’t sell it.

  • Hott Rodd | February 26, 2009 at 1:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”316398″][quote comment=”316397″]I agree w/Teebz. All the spring training/BP gear is straight garbage.[/quote]

    Yeah, but we kinda give it a pass when we’re sitting waiting for from 6-8″ inches of snow and lousy commute home (such as today in MSP).

    Garbage or not, somewhere someone’s playing baseball on green grass under blue sky.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    And our sky IS a gorgeous blue today Ricko :-)

    What’s snow?

  • LI Phil | February 26, 2009 at 1:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”316406″][quote comment=”316402″]As has been discussed before, the BP gear has been produced to make money, that’s it. It looks like trash, and really, when was the last time you have seen a fan at a stadium or somewhere else either wearing/purchasing it?[/quote]
    If people didn’t buy it, the teams wouldn’t sell it.[/quote]

    maybe if teams didn’t sell it, people wouldn’t buy it

  • mike 2 | February 26, 2009 at 1:50 pm |

    http://farm4.static....

    From today’s column – do I see that right, did the Giants also add a yellow drop shadow to the orange letters? Yellow isn’t a Giants colour.

  • JTH | February 26, 2009 at 1:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”316408″][quote comment=”316406″][quote comment=”316402″]As has been discussed before, the BP gear has been produced to make money, that’s it. It looks like trash, and really, when was the last time you have seen a fan at a stadium or somewhere else either wearing/purchasing it?[/quote]
    If people didn’t buy it, the teams wouldn’t sell it.[/quote]

    maybe if teams didn’t sell it, people wouldn’t buy it[/quote]
    Sounds a lot like the debate about whether or not high schools should provide condoms for students.

  • Pete Puma | February 26, 2009 at 1:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”316392″][quote comment=”316378″]What’s with all the WPS hate, eh?[/quote]

    http://en.wikipedia....

    It’s not hate…it’s reality…if WNBA is treading water…Women’s soccer doesn’t have any chance in the near future…[/quote]

    Sure, because there’s no chance anyone there will have learned from the previous group’s mistakes.

    Personally I think soccer jokes are completely hack nowadays, especially on a board like this when you consider all the colors, styles, looks etc in the game. I also don’t know why Paul has to be so snide about WPS. This isn’t him disrespecting one team’s uniform… this is him burying an entire sports league, period. Before they’ve even played one game. I’ve never seen him do that to any other sport, and I think it’s pretty pathetic on his part.

  • timmy b | February 26, 2009 at 2:00 pm |

    This I didn’t know…

    MLB Network just ran a film on the 1959 Dodgers-White Sox World Series. For the occasion, the Sox wore WHITE socks, as opposed to their navy stirrups during the regular season. This I did know.

    What I DID NOT know was that for game 5 in LA and game 6 back in Chicago was that the Sox reverted back to the navy socks!!

    Love finding things out like that every now and then!

  • Teebz | February 26, 2009 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”316405″]
    LOL. Just saying that at first it’s such a great, welcome sign of warm weather that it usually takes a couple weeks for the BP stuff to get annoying to me. But then it does, definitely, and I stop giving it a pass. Know what I mean?

    It’s that initial primal reaction, I guess.
    “Look, Gorg, sun come BACK!!!”
    Two weeks later…
    “Unnnn, why wear ugly blue shirt?”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh, for sure. I thought you were saying something like “any baseball is better than no baseball. Gimme spring training any day of the week”. LOL

  • Johnny O | February 26, 2009 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”316399″][quote comment=”316390″]No mention of the Brewers change to their BP hats this year?
    [/quote]

    We talked about it a couple days ago, including the tidbit that the MLB shop is still selling the old ones, though only in Small/Medium, probably until they unload the old stock.[/quote]

    Sorry Chance. I meant to ask why it wasn’t mentioned in the ESPN column today.

  • Teebz | February 26, 2009 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”316410″][quote comment=”316408″][quote comment=”316406″][quote comment=”316402″]As has been discussed before, the BP gear has been produced to make money, that’s it. It looks like trash, and really, when was the last time you have seen a fan at a stadium or somewhere else either wearing/purchasing it?[/quote]
    If people didn’t buy it, the teams wouldn’t sell it.[/quote]

    maybe if teams didn’t sell it, people wouldn’t buy it[/quote]
    Sounds a lot like the debate about whether or not high schools should provide condoms for students.[/quote]

    Actually, it’s totally different.

    Baseball is saturating a market with crap that only a few buy and wear. If they had never started producing it, fans would still wear their team colours, not some crappy BP jersey. Sure, they sell one or two units, but why bother at all when no one sees them or buys them after spring training?

    It’s like practice jerseys for NHL teams. They aren’t sold in mass quantities because people rarely see them. Practices aren’t covered like the regular games are, so why bother marketing practice jerseys except for those that truly want them?

    NHL teams play in real jerseys during preseason games. NFL team do so as well.

    Why does MLB have to be different if we see the regular jerseys 162 times per year?

  • JTH | February 26, 2009 at 2:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”316412″]This I didn’t know…

    MLB Network just ran a film on the 1959 Dodgers-White Sox World Series. For the occasion, the Sox wore WHITE socks, as opposed to their navy stirrups during the regular season. This I did know.

    What I DID NOT know was that for game 5 in LA and game 6 back in Chicago was that the Sox reverted back to the navy socks!!

    Love finding things out like that every now and then![/quote]
    Did they say that the stirrups were navy? They were wearing black & red in 1959, weren’t they?

  • diz | February 26, 2009 at 2:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”316411″][quote comment=”316392″][quote comment=”316378″]What’s with all the WPS hate, eh?[/quote]

    http://en.wikipedia....

    It’s not hate…it’s reality…if WNBA is treading water…Women’s soccer doesn’t have any chance in the near future…[/quote]

    Sure, because there’s no chance anyone there will have learned from the previous group’s mistakes.

    Personally I think soccer jokes are completely hack nowadays, especially on a board like this when you consider all the colors, styles, looks etc in the game. I also don’t know why Paul has to be so snide about WPS. This isn’t him disrespecting one team’s uniform… this is him burying an entire sports league, period. Before they’ve even played one game. I’ve never seen him do that to any other sport, and I think it’s pretty pathetic on his part.[/quote]

    a league != a sport,

  • peter | February 26, 2009 at 2:15 pm |

    Teebz:

    Would you say this is a reliable shop for jersey’s…I just found it last night and thought some of the prices are either a good find…or these are knockoffs….

    [quote comment=”316411″][quote comment=”316392″][quote comment=”316378″]What’s with all the WPS hate, eh?[/quote]

    http://en.wikipedia....

    It’s not hate…it’s reality…if WNBA is treading water…Women’s soccer doesn’t have any chance in the near future…[/quote]

    Sure, because there’s no chance anyone there will have learned from the previous group’s mistakes.

    Personally I think soccer jokes are completely hack nowadays, especially on a board like this when you consider all the colors, styles, looks etc in the game. I also don’t know why Paul has to be so snide about WPS. This isn’t him disrespecting one team’s uniform… this is him burying an entire sports league, period. [/quote]

    Paul isn’t burying it…..its just not a good time to start something new like this…I follow Major League Lacrosse….but outside of its limited markets, its a dying product.

    I personally find the skirts furthering sexist views, and until women compete directly with men, or a Major sports league (like the NBA, when they supported the WNBA at first) takes on a role like this…it’s just setting up for failure, and then sites and forums like this, kind of give a tip of the cap to these fallen leagues (Like the XFL, terrible product, WFL,National Women’s Hockey League….these are not solid products that people want to see.

    And soccer jokes will never get old…

  • JTH | February 26, 2009 at 2:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”316416″]
    Did they say that the stirrups were navy? They were wearing black & red in 1959, weren’t they?[/quote]
    Never mind. They indeed were wearing black rather than navy from 1949-1963:

    These black uniforms became the basis for the reintroduction of the Old English Sox logo in 1990. However, 1949’s Old English logo has enjoyed more longevity than the black uniform color did! Black was replaced after 1963.

  • Teebz | February 26, 2009 at 2:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”316418″]Teebz:

    Would you say this is a reliable shop for jersey’s…I just found it last night and thought some of the prices are either a good find…or these are knockoffs….[/quote]

    Shoot me the link, Peter. :o)

  • Jake | February 26, 2009 at 2:34 pm |

    Sorry to jump into the middle of the discussion about BP/Spring training uniforms

    NFL preseason games are played primarily in the team’s home stadium, not the site of their training camp, which spring training essentially is. When the Steelers and Ravens scrimmage in Latrobe (which people certainly come to watch) they do not suit up in their regular season jerseys for the occasion. Instead they wear practice jerseys.

    I would assume that the same holds true for NHL preseason games, played in the actual arenas that each team uses for their home competitions. It would then make sense that both football and hockey teams would wear the ‘real thing’ for all games played in their respective stadia.

    MLB teams wear team issued ‘practice gear’ for a series of televised practices or training sessions. I do not see a need for full regular season uniforms for these games…nothing more than a televised scrimmage. I see spring training games as inherently different than NFL/NHL preseason games, but much more comparable to scrimmages.

  • Teebz | February 26, 2009 at 2:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”316421″]Sorry to jump into the middle of the discussion about BP/Spring training uniforms

    NFL preseason games are played primarily in the team’s home stadium, not the site of their training camp, which spring training essentially is. When the Steelers and Ravens scrimmage in Latrobe (which people certainly come to watch) they do not suit up in their regular season jerseys for the occasion. Instead they wear practice jerseys.

    I would assume that the same holds true for NHL preseason games, played in the actual arenas that each team uses for their home competitions. It would then make sense that both football and hockey teams would wear the ‘real thing’ for all games played in their respective stadia.

    MLB teams wear team issued ‘practice gear’ for a series of televised practices or training sessions. I do not see a need for full regular season uniforms for these games…nothing more than a televised scrimmage. I see spring training games as inherently different than NFL/NHL preseason games, but much more comparable to scrimmages.[/quote]

    A scrimmage is a practice. You don’t keep score, and you don’t charge fans to attend.

    A game is a game. You keep score, and you charge fans to attend.

    Big difference. It doesn’t matter where it is played. If you charge people to attend and you keep score, you come out in game uniforms. If you come out in sweats and scrubs, you don’t charge the fans any money and you don’t keep score.

  • peter | February 26, 2009 at 2:49 pm |

    Sorry Teebz…got caught up in my rant…

    http://www.russianho...

    specifically:
    http://www.russianho...

    Traktor Chelyabinsk Road Jersey

  • Teebz | February 26, 2009 at 2:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”316423″]Sorry Teebz…got caught up in my rant…

    http://www.russianho...

    specifically:
    http://www.russianho...

    Traktor Chelyabinsk Road Jersey[/quote]

    These guys… oi vay.

    Ok, here’s what their website says:

    “There is a chance of a shipping delay for many reasons such as equipment breakdown at the factory, Labor slow downs, truck or aircraft problems, and Russian or US Custom delays. As with any item you order on line, there is a chance jersey is just not shipped to us.”

    While I realize that they have no control over the suppliers, I’m always hesitant to order from a company who says “If you do not feel you want to risk a slow delivery or possible not getting it at all, then please do not order”.

    However, the jerseys they describe do sound authentic. Names are normally sublimated onto the jerseys rather than stitched on. The fabric is also different than what we’re used to by North American standards.

    All in all, it’s caveat emptor.

  • peter | February 26, 2009 at 2:59 pm |

    I got the same vibe when I read that originally…I order a watch from Moscow and I got it 4 months later…just the price is really good…

    Thanks for your input!!

  • I. C. London | February 26, 2009 at 3:01 pm |

    Too much time on Lance Armstrong and not enough time about sports. Sorry, but this is miniscule compared with basketball, baseball, etc.

  • chance | February 26, 2009 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”316415″]Baseball is saturating a market with crap that only a few buy and wear. If they had never started producing it, fans would still wear their team colours, not some crappy BP jersey. Sure, they sell one or two units, but why bother at all when no one sees them or buys them after spring training?
    [/quote]
    I’ll say it again – if people weren’t buying them, the teams wouldn’t be selling them.

    MLB isn’t in the habit of producing merchandise for a hobby. Had the BP stuff not sold, they would have dropped it long ago. The facts that you’re seeing these things year after year after year, and that the line expands, ought to tell us how well they actually sell.

    FWIW, I don’t like the concept either. But a lot of people must.

  • Teebz | February 26, 2009 at 3:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”316427″]
    FWIW, I don’t like the concept either. But a lot of people must.[/quote]

    Or the teams and players do… since they are the only people in Arizona and Florida I’ve seen wearing the merch.

  • Tall Paul | February 26, 2009 at 3:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”316426″]Too much time on Lance Armstrong and not enough time about sports. Sorry, but this is miniscule compared with basketball, baseball, etc.[/quote]

    Probably why it only takes the Uniwatch Blog main entry spot once or twice a year. As long as the entries are pretty much proportional to their place in the sporting world then I don’t have a problem with it at all.

    If I only wanted to discuss baseball I’d find a baseball site; this being a sports uniform site I believe (and obviously Mr. Lukas does, too) that cycling uniforms have their place in the realm of discussion.

    Personally, I am a soccer fan…but I don’t expect a disproportionate amount of time be spent discussing soccer unis on here. They definitely have their place in the hierarchy of things and shouldn’t be ignored…but I would expect that baseball, basketball, football, and hockey uni discussions would be the rule.

    I can live with the soccer jokes…makes me laugh even though I’ve played for 35 years and wish soccer could grab a larger audience in America other than with kids ages 3-18…who don’t have any spending power.

    Bryan: nice of you to drop in again. Don’t stay away too long.

  • chance | February 26, 2009 at 3:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”316428″][quote comment=”316427″]
    FWIW, I don’t like the concept either. But a lot of people must.[/quote]

    Or the teams and players do… since they are the only people in Arizona and Florida I’ve seen wearing the merch.[/quote]
    Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. The BP line has been expanding in MLB shops, and it’s not because Bud has a yen for space-age fabrics.

  • Greg V. | February 26, 2009 at 3:47 pm |

    I like the idea of BP uniforms in baseball. I’m sure it is mostly done for merchandising reasons but I like to think that a player has to make a major league roster before being priveledged enough to wear a major league uniform.

  • Jeff Mayer | February 26, 2009 at 3:48 pm |

    Luxembourg’s national championship kit always looks good with a sponosor’s logo, thanks to the white stripe in the middle of the nations’s flag. Personally, I love the job Slipstream did with Dave Z’s US Champion TT skinsuit. Love the red and white argyle!

  • Teebz | February 26, 2009 at 3:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”316430″][quote comment=”316428″][quote comment=”316427″]
    FWIW, I don’t like the concept either. But a lot of people must.[/quote]

    Or the teams and players do… since they are the only people in Arizona and Florida I’ve seen wearing the merch.[/quote]
    Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. The BP line has been expanding in MLB shops, and it’s not because Bud has a yen for space-age fabrics.[/quote]

    Who says anything about anecdotes? Look at the crowds in any baseball stadium. I’d say the majority of BP costumes are worn on-field, not off of it*.

    *All-Star Game not inclusive.

  • chance | February 26, 2009 at 3:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”316433″][quote comment=”316430″][quote comment=”316428″][quote comment=”316427″]
    FWIW, I don’t like the concept either. But a lot of people must.[/quote]

    Or the teams and players do… since they are the only people in Arizona and Florida I’ve seen wearing the merch.[/quote]
    Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. The BP line has been expanding in MLB shops, and it’s not because Bud has a yen for space-age fabrics.[/quote]

    Who says anything about anecdotes? Look at the crowds in any baseball stadium. I’d say the majority of BP costumes are worn on-field, not off of it*.

    *All-Star Game not inclusive.[/quote]

    Um, that would be the anecdotal evidence. We can talk about what we see or don’t see, but when MLB expands a line you know that somebody’s buying it.

  • Dan King | February 26, 2009 at 4:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”316411″][quote comment=”316392″][quote comment=”316378″]What’s with all the WPS hate, eh?[/quote]

    http://en.wikipedia....

    It’s not hate…it’s reality…if WNBA is treading water…Women’s soccer doesn’t have any chance in the near future…[/quote]

    Sure, because there’s no chance anyone there will have learned from the previous group’s mistakes.

    Personally I think soccer jokes are completely hack nowadays, especially on a board like this when you consider all the colors, styles, looks etc in the game. I also don’t know why Paul has to be so snide about WPS. This isn’t him disrespecting one team’s uniform… this is him burying an entire sports league, period. Before they’ve even played one game. I’ve never seen him do that to any other sport, and I think it’s pretty pathetic on his part.[/quote]

    actually paul stole the crossed out part from the comments yesterday. and its not like he only made fun of soccer today, look at the baseball entry.

    i don’t mind the soccer jokes, because i realize, for the most part, they’re from arrogant pricks that know nothing about the game, besides that its not baseball or american football. i love the game and always will but if some jerk thinks he needs to make fun of it? so what. i’ve played fringe sports my whole life. let people make fun, because they don’t know what they’re missing

  • Dan King | February 26, 2009 at 4:02 pm |

    oops, meant to add this: sorry i’m from a part of the country, i.e. ohio, where football is god in the fall and basketball in the winter, and everything else doesn’t matter.

  • Teebz | February 26, 2009 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”316434″]
    Um, that would be the anecdotal evidence. We can talk about what we see or don’t see, but when MLB expands a line you know that somebody’s buying it.[/quote]

    I don’t care who is buying it. Spring training games are games, so all players should be in game dress. No exceptions.

    Why do we pander to the mediocre when we demand the best? Why do they need to introduce a whole new line of products at all? Were official jerseys too expensive to keep and maintain for all of spring training?

  • jesse | February 26, 2009 at 4:29 pm |

    the BP stuff is merchandised, with the marketing personnel at MLB properties basically trying to ram it down consumers throats. The stuff is made with the hopes of selling it. As I said earlier, as far as I can tell (anecdotal or not)nobody buys that stuff. I see plenty of people wearing 5950’s, jerseys, t-shirts, but haven’t heard/seen anyone rushing out to get the “hot new BP gear”

  • timmy b | February 26, 2009 at 4:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”316419″][quote comment=”316416″]
    Did they say that the stirrups were navy? They were wearing black & red in 1959, weren’t they?[/quote]
    Never mind. They indeed were wearing black rather than navy from 1949-1963:

    These black uniforms became the basis for the reintroduction of the Old English Sox logo in 1990. However, 1949’s Old English logo has enjoyed more longevity than the black uniform color did! Black was replaced after 1963.[/quote]

    JTH,
    Thanks for clearing up the black instead of navy thing.

    First, no, nothing was mentioned about the White Sox’ socks in the film (Narrated by Vin Scully). Stuff about unis was never mentioned in the day. I just assumed they were navy instead of black. I think of the 8 AL teams in 1959, the base color for 6 of the 8 was navy. Just the O’s and White Sox wore black. Kind of a drab league, if you ask me.

    But I had thought before I saw the film today that the Sox wore the new white socks (with red stripes) for all six games of the ’59 WS instead of only the first four.

    So, I found out two things today! :)

  • muddlehead | February 26, 2009 at 4:44 pm |

    enough lance. more levi.

  • chance | February 26, 2009 at 4:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”316438″]the BP stuff is merchandised, with the marketing personnel at MLB properties basically trying to ram it down consumers throats. The stuff is made with the hopes of selling it. As I said earlier, as far as I can tell (anecdotal or not)nobody buys that stuff. I see plenty of people wearing 5950’s, jerseys, t-shirts, but haven’t heard/seen anyone rushing out to get the “hot new BP gear”[/quote]
    So if people aren’t buying it, why does the line expand every year?

    I’d wager that most of the people buying it aren’t buying it because it’s the “hot new BP gear”, but because it looks more like a fashion line.

  • jesse | February 26, 2009 at 5:04 pm |

    I would buy into the fashion argument. That being said, the merch isn’t seen that often on fans.

  • JTH | February 26, 2009 at 5:11 pm |
  • Brian Castile | February 26, 2009 at 5:14 pm |

    I just saw a story on the Yankee’s web site in Bryan Hoch’s blog. The Yankees are going to wear a patch on the BACK of their hats to commemerate their first season in the new Yankee Stadium. It will incoporate the MLB logo as well. Isn’t the patch on the jersey enough? Just another marketing ploy I guess. It must be too big to put on the side.

  • Jeff P | February 26, 2009 at 5:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”316444″]I just saw a story on the Yankee’s web site in Bryan Hoch’s blog. The Yankees are going to wear a patch on the BACK of their hats to commemerate their first season in the new Yankee Stadium. It will incoporate the MLB logo as well. Isn’t the patch on the jersey enough? Just another marketing ploy I guess. It must be too big to put on the side.[/quote]

    No, it’s a different one. It was mentioned briefly here at one point, can’t find it though. It should look great. May force me to buy a new cap.

    Doesn’t look too big though. I think they just wanted a cleaner look.

    Anyone have that floating around?

  • Bryan Redemske | February 26, 2009 at 5:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”316440″]enough lance. more levi.[/quote]

    I mentioned the one unique thing Levi has done in the last three years. He’s boring, save the attack on Stage 2 last week.

  • BirghFan | February 26, 2009 at 5:49 pm |

    NFL preseason games are played primarily in the team’s home stadium, not the site of their training camp, which spring training essentially is. When the Steelers and Ravens scrimmage in Latrobe (which people certainly come to watch) they do not suit up in their regular season jerseys for the occasion. Instead they wear practice jerseys.

    The Steelers have never scrimmaged with the Ravens. More than a decade ago, they scrimmaged with the Redskins and Bills, where they wore practice gear, but they haven’t practiced with another team since.

    Unlike other sports, pre-season baseball games aren’t treated like regular season games (with the exception of a few at-the-regular-ballpark games at the end of spring training). The Florida and Arizona parks are much more intimate, tickets are cheaper, players who’ve left the game run on the warning track, and the whole atmosphere is much more relaxed. Some teams do wear regular jerseys, while many others wear BP shirts. Temperatures are much more pleasant than up north, and it’s a lot more fun than exhibition football.

  • Wollen1 | February 26, 2009 at 5:52 pm |

    Wait a minute. I thought the Bobcats were a D League team.

  • Jefferson D | February 26, 2009 at 5:54 pm |

    Ex-Bulls guard and broadcaster Norm Van Lier died today in his home. Expect a black band on the Bulls jerseys.
    http://www.usatoday....

  • Jeff W | February 26, 2009 at 6:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”316446″][quote comment=”316440″]enough lance. more levi.[/quote]

    I mentioned the one unique thing Levi has done in the last three years. He’s boring, save the attack on Stage 2 last week.[/quote]

    You forget the treatment of his US champ jersey with Astana. A travesty, but an interesting travesty.

  • Michael Emody | February 26, 2009 at 6:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”316439″][quote comment=”316419″][quote comment=”316416″]
    Did they say that the stirrups were navy? They were wearing black & red in 1959, weren’t they?[/quote]
    Never mind. They indeed were wearing black rather than navy from 1949-1963:

    These black uniforms became the basis for the reintroduction of the Old English Sox logo in 1990. However, 1949’s Old English logo has enjoyed more longevity than the black uniform color did! Black was replaced after 1963.[/quote]

    JTH,
    Thanks for clearing up the black instead of navy thing.

    First, no, nothing was mentioned about the White Sox’ socks in the film (Narrated by Vin Scully). Stuff about unis was never mentioned in the day. I just assumed they were navy instead of black. I think of the 8 AL teams in 1959, the base color for 6 of the 8 was navy. Just the O’s and White Sox wore black. Kind of a drab league, if you ask me.

    But I had thought before I saw the film today that the Sox wore the new white socks (with red stripes) for all six games of the ’59 WS instead of only the first four.

    So, I found out two things today! :)[/quote]

    It seems to me that “navy” and “black” were considered the same thing in some camps, back in the 50’s. The other six teams you mentioned, while wearing dark blue, weren’t considered “navy”, which is almost indistinguishable from black in most lighting situations. My 59 Sox cap, though a replica from Cooperstown, reveals a distinct blue tint in bright light. I thought it was supposed to be black, too, and it sure looks black most of the time… Quality color photo’s from the early 60’s reveal the navy tint in some undershirts, caps, lettering, and then other things seem to be black as black can be. (Like her heart… nevermind.) Just some things I’ve noticed about navy blue in the 50s-60s.

  • scott | February 26, 2009 at 7:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”316442″]I would buy into the fashion argument. That being said, the merch isn’t seen that often on fans.[/quote]

    I do remember seeing several fans sporting this BP cap, as well as the one the A’s had with the elehpant wearing sunglasses:

    https://www.hatland....

  • Jeremy Brahm | February 26, 2009 at 7:30 pm |

    I thought that Bryan’s article today was an interesting diversion. Cycling teams have always had interesting designs, but as Paul would like to say, they are sponsor laden corporate shrills.

    In certain sports, it is almost impossible to break the sponsor and team apart. Cycling has national champions and yet as professionals it is sponsored and that is where things get odd, an Australian champion riding for a French agricultural bank? Does he get a green uniform or is it white with gold and green lines, but then where does the sponsorship logo go?

    As American sports fans, we love our big four sports and college sports as well. I still follow my teams, but as I have had more and more international friends from high school, college and work, I have gravitated a little more to soccer. The teams also have great stories about how their colors came about, like Boca Juniors in Argentina who saw a ship with a Swedish flag and chose that for their colors. Boavista in Portugal with the black and white checkers. Monaco with a divided white and red uniform in France.

    These other sports give uniwatch an additional feel because uniforms are necessary in all sports. Test cricket uniforms are pretty boring, but put them in their one day international pajamas and you’ve got something to talk about.

    When Paul, Bryan, Ricko and others give some interesting stories like the old pictures, the DIY stuff, I think that most of us are amazed at the things that we see. Even myself, I’ll look for something and find something that I was not expecting. The Hiroshima Toyo Carp manhole cover was totally unexpected when I found it.

    http://blogs.statrav...

    It just gives us some spice to life in these dark times. That’s why you come to the blog.

  • Adam | February 26, 2009 at 7:40 pm |

    Dont know why im in a “jordan mood” today, but i figure with the wealth of uni-related knowledge here id try to get a few questions answered.

    Q1 – wikipedia lists jordan’s numbers as 23, 45, 9, and 5. 23 and 45 were obviously with the bulls (as was 12, if only for a game) and i know he wore 9 during the olympics… so that just leaves this pesky 5. he had 23 in high school and at UNC, does anyone know when/if he wore #5?

    Q2 – does anyone know if another bulls player has wore #45 since michael went back to 23? is it unofficially retired or are guys just not wearing it to avoid being compared to mike? im just wonderign since hinrich may be the only player to wear a the same number as mike, after mike wore it.

  • Duncan | February 26, 2009 at 8:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”316409″]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3496/3295730916_7e642c5f8f_o.png

    From today’s column – do I see that right, did the Giants also add a yellow drop shadow to the orange letters? Yellow isn’t a Giants colour.[/quote]

    I think it may actually be gold. The home jerseys have a similar drop-shadow. As seen here:
    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    You know, cause they’re the “gold” standard in baseball because of all the championships….uh….right.

  • =bg= | February 26, 2009 at 9:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”316389″][quote comment=”316385″]Some of the Yankees wore the BP caps yesterday, and some wore the regular game caps (cough, Jeter, cough). Jeez, people, pick a hat, I don’t care which, and have everybody wear it – that’s why they call it a “uniform.” Also, Kei Igawa pitched with sunglasses.

    http://sports.yahoo....

    http://sports.yahoo....

    I would guess that Jeter just hates the strech fit. I certainly don’t blame him, I can never wear those comfortably. Part of it is a small head that they’re not well built for, but the feel of a stretchy hat is different on the head.

    And I haven’t worn that exact model, but the New era strech fit I have is extremely uncomfortable due to the stiffness of the embroidery on the front.

    It’s spring training. Relax. When it matters they’ll all be wearing the same hat in games with the exception of a few with gray underbills and wool caps. Until then, I’m not going to blame a guy for wearing a hat he’s comfortable in.

    The other question is what’s the point of having a BP or spring training cap now anyway (other then money, which I know is the primary reason)? The new 5950 has all the performance properties of the other hats now.[/quote]

    Kei Igawa. Now, I don’t know anything about the Yankees roster other than the big names- but that’s the guy who was really nailed in the Torre book as being absolutely pathetic. Gonna look up his stats…

  • Kek | February 26, 2009 at 9:38 pm |

    Sorry I’m a day late on this one, but work had me out on the road yesterday and today and I’m just getting caught up with things now.

    Regarding yesterday’s post and Macho Harris, what about Pac Man Jones: http://cache.deadspi...

    I think that if a player has a nickname that really has overtaken their given name, it’s cool to use that as the initial.

    Seeing the first eastbay catalog of the baseball season brings back great memories of picking out new gear for the season to come.

  • Anon | February 26, 2009 at 9:59 pm |

    UAB having a “gold rush” against Memphis tonight. Nothing special outside of the gold shirts for the fans, but at least it’s more creative than an “insert color here”-out

  • Tall Paul | February 26, 2009 at 10:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”316454″]Dont know why im in a “jordan mood” today, but i figure with the wealth of uni-related knowledge here id try to get a few questions answered.

    Q1 – wikipedia lists jordan’s numbers as 23, 45, 9, and 5. 23 and 45 were obviously with the bulls (as was 12, if only for a game) and i know he wore 9 during the olympics… so that just leaves this pesky 5. he had 23 in high school and at UNC, does anyone know when/if he wore #5?

    Q2 – does anyone know if another bulls player has wore #45 since michael went back to 23? is it unofficially retired or are guys just not wearing it to avoid being compared to mike? im just wonderign since hinrich may be the only player to wear a the same number as mike, after mike wore it.[/quote]

    Here’s a pic of Jordan wearing number 35 with the Scranton Scorpions: http://en.wikipedia....

  • James Craven | February 26, 2009 at 10:25 pm |

    Don’t you mean the Scottsdale Scorpians? http://en.wikipedia....

  • Matt | February 26, 2009 at 10:30 pm |

    I’m a big Yankees fan, but the blurb on this blog (on the Yankees’ cap) has to be one of the worst ideas yet.

    http://slidingintoho...

  • A2 | February 26, 2009 at 11:10 pm |

    About the BP gear…
    I believe that the BP stuff is offered more as an alternative to official gear, mainly the hats. I am not saying that the hats are more popular, but just simply there to compete with the 5950’s, just like the many choices of caps you find at the ballpark or at sports stores. Even though the 5950’s probably sell way more, the BP’s (3930) still probably sell well. The hat is stretch-fit, which is usually, but not always, more comfortable than a fitted cap. Also, i’ve seen plenty of people who wear the BP caps, both to baseball games, but especially if they are out shopping, or just being out in public. While the 5950’s may be the top selling/worn hat, their is still a fan base of people who would rather wear the BP cap of their favorite team than an offical one.

  • John | February 26, 2009 at 11:39 pm |

    It looks like the angels have added a new sleeve patch …

    http://cache3.asset-...

    but only Vladimir’s wearing it …

    http://cache4.asset-...

  • Max | February 27, 2009 at 12:32 am |

    that lance armstrong stuff is some booooooring crap.

  • Jefferson D | February 27, 2009 at 12:56 am |

    [quote comment=”316449″]Ex-Bulls guard and broadcaster Norm Van Lier died today in his home. Expect a black band on the Bulls jerseys.
    http://www.usatoday....

    And now news comes out of Johnny Red Kerr passing tonight. Tough times to be a Bulls fan. I wonder how they will treat this.
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Tall Paul | February 27, 2009 at 2:14 am |

    [quote comment=”316460″]Don’t you mean the Scottsdale Scorpians?

    http://en.wikipedia....

    Like I said…but failed to type.

    Thanks for the assist.

  • chance | February 27, 2009 at 9:54 am |

    [quote comment=”316451″][quote comment=”316439″][quote comment=”316419″][quote comment=”316416″]
    Did they say that the stirrups were navy? They were wearing black & red in 1959, weren’t they?[/quote]
    Never mind. They indeed were wearing black rather than navy from 1949-1963:

    These black uniforms became the basis for the reintroduction of the Old English Sox logo in 1990. However, 1949’s Old English logo has enjoyed more longevity than the black uniform color did! Black was replaced after 1963.[/quote]

    JTH,
    Thanks for clearing up the black instead of navy thing.

    First, no, nothing was mentioned about the White Sox’ socks in the film (Narrated by Vin Scully). Stuff about unis was never mentioned in the day. I just assumed they were navy instead of black. I think of the 8 AL teams in 1959, the base color for 6 of the 8 was navy. Just the O’s and White Sox wore black. Kind of a drab league, if you ask me.

    But I had thought before I saw the film today that the Sox wore the new white socks (with red stripes) for all six games of the ’59 WS instead of only the first four.

    So, I found out two things today! :)[/quote]

    It seems to me that “navy” and “black” were considered the same thing in some camps, back in the 50’s. The other six teams you mentioned, while wearing dark blue, weren’t considered “navy”, which is almost indistinguishable from black in most lighting situations. My 59 Sox cap, though a replica from Cooperstown, reveals a distinct blue tint in bright light. I thought it was supposed to be black, too, and it sure looks black most of the time… Quality color photo’s from the early 60’s reveal the navy tint in some undershirts, caps, lettering, and then other things seem to be black as black can be. (Like her heart… nevermind.) Just some things I’ve noticed about navy blue in the 50s-60s.[/quote]

    Heck, you see it today – many clothing manufacturers make black dye by darkening another color. It’s been a long time since I worked retail, but as late as the mid-1990s a “black” pair of Dockers were actually very, very, very, very dark navy. A black pair of Haggar slacks were very dark brown, etc. Not very noticable on their own, until you lay them next to each other in decent light (or somebody went out on the street wearing ablack Dockers sportcoat with black Farah trousers).

    So it wouldn’t surprise me if team suppliers did this. Add fifty years, and the black fades into navy blue.

  • chance | February 27, 2009 at 9:56 am |

    [quote comment=”316462″]About the BP gear…
    I believe that the BP stuff is offered more as an alternative to official gear, mainly the hats. I am not saying that the hats are more popular, but just simply there to compete with the 5950’s, just like the many choices of caps you find at the ballpark or at sports stores. Even though the 5950’s probably sell way more, the BP’s (3930) still probably sell well. The hat is stretch-fit, which is usually, but not always, more comfortable than a fitted cap. Also, i’ve seen plenty of people who wear the BP caps, both to baseball games, but especially if they are out shopping, or just being out in public. While the 5950’s may be the top selling/worn hat, their is still a fan base of people who would rather wear the BP cap of their favorite team than an offical one.[/quote]

    I do tend to see a fair amount of 39thirties on the streets of New York.

    Then again, I also see quite a few BP jerseys bring worn. But again, I think that’s more fashion statement than “I want to wear the authentics” (navy jersey being more versatile in your wardrobe than either gray or pinstriped white).

    Regardless, their continued and expanding presence is pretty good evidence that people are indeed buying them.