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The Hockey Wing Speaks, Part I

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By Phil Hecken (with a Huge Assist from Teebz)

A few weeks ago, Sports Illustrated came out with a “ranking” of the new NHL third (alternate) uniforms. Many of us, particularly members of the UW Hockey Wing, disagreed with those assessments. With that in mind, I sought out members of that forgotten branch of the UW world, along with Hockey Wing President, Teebz, to compile a much more accurate listing of those thirds. The rankings have been derived by taking the responses I received to my survey, and averaged to come up with a rank. We’ll list them in reverse chronological order (worst to first) over the weekend, beginning with 19-10 on Saturday, and 9-1 on Sunday, along with comments from those who participated in the survey. Big thanks to everyone who submitted their lists! If I somehow forgot you, I apologize. And be sure to check out Teebz’ blog if you get the chance. Absolutely amazing stuff there! — Phil

First, I want to say thanks to Phil for putting this whole thing together. While I know some of you cringe whenever the hockey wing starts blabbing, I’ve always maintained that hockey sweaters/jerseys are the best uniforms in sports. However, as we’ve seen over the last few years with the introduction of Reebok’s designs, there have been some very questionable and very poor designs that have been put out on the ice. Thanks to Phil’s yeoman work, the hockey wing has tabulated the results of some informal polling, and we present to you the 19 alternate uniforms that the NHL unveiled this season from worst to first. I’ll be making a number of comments throughout the article, so please be gentle in destroying my credibility. Enjoy, and I look forward to the comments! — Teebz

And with that, President Teebz and Phil give you…the Worst Alternates of 2008-09. Agree? Disagree? Think we’re full of shit? Be sure to let us know what YOU think!

#19: San Jose Sharks: The blackest of the black jerseys was showcased by the San Jose Sharks. The black jersey doesn’t bother Teebz, as seen before on the Sharks, but the complete sell-out of an entire uniform set does. Naming these uniforms “BlackArmor” to help promote a portable hard drive made by Seagate, a partner with the Sharks, is the equivalent to European hockey jerseys. Why not just sublimate “Seagate Systems” on the back hem? As a North American professional sports team, selling an entire set of uniforms to a company is the lowest move one can make, and San Jose gets the lowest position for it. Jim Thorburn weighs in with this: “Pretty sure how the brainstorming for this uni went: Guy #1: SHIT! We forgot to make our third jersey for this year and the design is due in 30 seconds. Guy #2: QUICK! Just take our current jersey, make it black and add a tail to our logo! BAM! Done!” Not everyone hates the new Sharks unis, however. Matthew Lepke lets it be known that, “The BlackArmour thing never bothered me. It’s Silicon Valley, and I write this at a computer set up with three Seagate drives — so maybe my brand loyalty is blinding me. I really liked the original black alternate — the teal and white offset the black body well. Not having a stripe at the hem has always bugged me with this uni, though — it leaves the sweater looking unbalanced, especially when worn by anyone off-ice.”

#18: Atlanta Thrashers: The University of Atlanta Thrashers really went for a collegiate look. Not only does it appear that they’re using basketball jerseys, but there are almost no design aspects that anyone can work with. Simply put – horrible. Why couldn’t they do something like this? (credit Teebz for that mockup!) UW reviewers were not kind. Jay Palmer states, “Do I really need to tell you why this is possibly the ugliest uniform of all time (in ANY sport)? I don’t even know where to begin (other than firing the designer)…so use your imagination and pretend that each player is skating in their underwear; at least that would be an improvement.” Daniel McCue agrees, “I think this sweater is a metaphor for the franchise. Atlanta and hockey fans deserve better.” Johnny Flanagan hates it as well, “This is awful. Simply awful. The shoulder logos are stupid, the chest logo looks awful, the sleeves look ridiculous, and the colors are simply not nice to look at. How did this happen!??! I’m surprised they didn’t make this jersey black. Imagine that!”

#17: Carolina Hurricanes: Red and white? Ok. A touch of black? No problem. But to go completely black and incorporate gray as a secondary colour? Epic fail. Anyone who blacks out their primary logo deserves a failing mark, and that’s exactly what Carolina has earned with this alternate jersey. Oh, and try using a little colour (Teebz’ rendering again). Johnny Flanagan opines, “This jersey wins the prize, for being the worst alternate in all of hockey. First, it’s black. Secondly, I understand what they are trying to do with the main logo, but what’s the point in the triangle behind it? Thirdly, you can’t really see the shoulder logos…Looks like bird shit. The design across the bottom is ridiculous…There is no silver square hurricane flag. It looks like a Mexican Indian design, not the bottom of an NHL hockey jersey. Awful, awful, awful.” A little kinder was Jim Wooley, who simply states, “Apparently they should have two flags as the logo, but still, it’s a bit of a bore.” Jim Thorburn, however, was not: “Carolina Tropical Storms! If you’re going to use a flag as your secondary logo at least make sure it’s the RIGHT FUCKING FLAG! And did they run out of red dye for the bottom? The gray squares just seems out of place to me…Should have thrown Hartford a bone and did a Whalers throwback, but coming from an organzation that uses the wrong flag, they probably would have used a dolphin and not even noticed…”

#16: Ottawa Senators: A nickname? Really? That’s the best the Senators could do? For a team with a rich history of prominent sweaters, why not use their secondary logo of the “O” like they did in the 1930s? Or perhaps one of the logo patents they registered in Canada? Nothing says “beer league” like a nickname. Sam Barbour feels “It’s black. It has a lot of random color blocking in red and white, creating a random whirl of colors on the ice. The crest is a boring wordmark, and it’s an abbreviation of the team name. Ottawa has two perfectly good Senator logos — use them.” Andrew Merritt was more emphatic in his description: “Worst. Decision. Ever. The Sen’s have such a great color scheme, and a mascot that lends to plenty of great options — hell, even setting up a contract with Warner Brothers and going with a black-crimson-white Marvin the Martian would have been cool. Instead, we get what looks at best like one of those knockoff ‘fan jerseys‘ clueless parents buy for their kids because ‘it looks sharp.’ Hey Sens, you see that flag you’ve got on the shoulders? Next time, USE THAT!”

#15: Phoenix Coyotes: Teebz is a fan of the sand and brick red colours they have in their colour scheme, so someone needs to explain to him why they went black. The new shoulder patch is alright, but what is that thing on the front? Border collie? A rabid animal? A Red fox? Luke Mohammed remarks, “An ugly logo, as well as going black for the sake of black = ugly. Plus, two different shoulder patches, come on. They also wear it with their red helmets.” Jim Borwick agrees with the anti-black sentiment, “‘Hey, lets use black and a logo that kinda looks like our primary logo but is a bit different.’ Bad idea.” Jim Wooley simply asks, “Is that roadkill on the front?”

#14: Tampa Bay Lightning: The good on this jersey is the return to the blue colour. The bad is the nickname. The Tampa Bay Bolts? We’re sorry, but the franchise is called the “Lightning“. Always has been. Always will be. Whoever thought putting “Bolts” on the jersey needs a kick in the nuts-and-bolts. Matthew Lepke states, “Ugh. Lee. Ugly. This is what casual hockey fans and other non-initiates think of when they think Florida hockey? It’s too bad; I liked the updated logo. How much does one venture to guess that the same designers on this project were given the Ottawa job? This sweater wouldn’t pass for a senior league team, let alone an NHL club. I really don’t like the half-moon stripes on either side of the chest; will someone please make them go away? The stripes on the sleeves don’t match the body hem stripes, and this looks dumb. I’m glad Melrose doesn’t have to coach a team that occasionally looks this bad.” Less effusive in his praise was Daniel McCue, who remarks “‘BOLTS’ Really? Maybe they blew their design budget on Mike Smith’s new ‘Saw‘ helmet.” Finally, some good news, as Jim Borwick feels “This uni had the most imagination put into it. Team nickname, new colour — too bad they used such a cartooney typeface. Why not lose the side piping and put a bolt down the front? Shazam! That’d be nice.”

#13: Dallas Stars: We’re almost certain that if you create a white jersey in the same design as your home jersey, you have a road jersey. But Dallas calls it their “alternate jersey“. Wouldn’t this jersey be an alternate since it, y’know, looks different than the other two? Sam Barbour feels “SI put these at the bottom of their list, and I’ll admit that they are pretty boring. But it’s white: plain and refreshing. They could have done worse. I’ve always liked the Stars’ colors and striping pattern, and I do here as well.” Luke Mohammed doesn’t understand “Why people hate this jersey. Here are their complaints: ‘It’s boring‘…ok, the other end of the spectrum is to be busy/ugly. ‘They’re white’…if they weren’t white they could be black; wait, everyone hates black jerseys though. ‘They’re made for the road, which is bad marketing’…Shame on them for not doing everything for money. What type of asshole in this day and age doesn’t do something to maximize their money? These jerseys are simple, sharp and classy.”

#12: Los Angeles Kings: Instead of playing like a good team, the Kings decided to pretend to dress like one. This is a great uniform. This is a cheap, $1-bargain-bin knock-off. See the difference? Bonus marks, however, for bringing back the mid-90s helmet stickers. Jay Palmer thinks “Maybe the Kings will win games because opponents will fear being touched by the repulsiveness that is this jersey. Shoulder yolks (sic) should end at the shoulders…not go all the way down to the wrist. The crest doesn’t work at all and quite frankly the rest of the uniform is just ‘blah.'” Andrew Merritt thinks “The Kings have sucked pretty hard since switching to the purple, so I don’t have a problem with harkening back to the Gretzky-era colors. The front crest is a little blah, but it still mostly works. It could have been a lot worse, and it doesn’t use any obvious purple, which is a huge plus.” Johnny Flanagan isn’t enamored with the “Stupid, boring logo. Who’s idea was it to have the letters ‘L.A.’ and a crown, inside home plate??? They were trying to have a clean, strong ‘shield’ type of design. It came out looking simply stupid. The only way it could be worse is if they loaded it up with a bunch of purple.”

#11: Buffalo Sabres: Does it bother anyone else that the Sabres took a classic jersey from the 1980s, and replaced it with a hybrid of their new garbage? Bring back the royal blue and yellow! That’s how the Sabres should look – not this garbage with the navy and gray piping! Andrew Merritt likes them: “About as perfect as you’re going to see. The old logo and jersey never should have gone anywhere, and while the Buffa-Slug is still a disgrace, at least there’s some solace to be had in the Sabres’ classic third. My bet is that within two years, the third takes over as the home sweater, and with it comes a Stanley Cup. OK, the cup may take three years.” Matthew Lepke is amazed “How much Buffalonians have adopted the Buffa-Slug. On a recent trip to the city, I was pleasantly surprised to see how many people wore their team’s colors about town and on gameday, even if the new logo seems sub-par. Perhaps it’s a cathartic thing, as everyone looks to forget the dark days when the team was in bankruptcy after the Rigas family disaster, and a new look signifies the breath of life owner Tom Golisano brought to WNY (Western New York). Regardless, I’ve always been a big fan of the classic swords-and-charging-buffalo logo, and this is a solid update to that icon. I really dislike the strange silver half-circles at either side of the chest, and feel the same for the silver under the armpits, but barring these facets, I’m happy to see the Sabres once more wearing the blue and gold.” Jim Borwick feels the Sabres “coulda been a contender but adding the side piping and the ridiculous upper jersey number wrecks this one for me. Why do you need another small number less than 6 inches from the one on the sleeve?”

#10: Boston Bruins: Why do teams with black jerseys introduce black alternate jerseys? The Bruins could have done so much more with all the past jerseys they’ve had. We’re not saying they should have gone yellow like they did once, but why not a hybrid of a Bobby Orr/Cam Neely white jersey with an angry bear? (mockup: credit Teebz) Daniel McCue thinks there’s “Too much black. A yellow yoke (like the kid in the left side of the frame of the header) would move this up. I’m okay with a deviation from the ‘Spoked B.’ The NHL needs New England to care about hockey again.” Jim Thorburn opines, “If I saw the bear head make a reappearance on a BOS uni this year, I probably would have shot my TV every time I saw it. When organizations use logos they have in the past (plus it’s on their shoulders currently) show they are proud of their history. This is one of the few teams I give a ‘pass’ to for using a black third because they have always used black as one of their primary colors. Good uni, and glad they kept the ‘Spoked B’ within eyes reach and placed it on the shoulder. Maybe they could have used striping on the bottom hemline but I am happy the way it is now.” Jim Wooley was somewhat non-plussed: “I would have preferred a late 60s/early 70s throwback, but this is a nice look.”

Well, that’s the first batch. Let’s have at it!

 

182 comments to The Hockey Wing Speaks, Part I

  • Ryan B | December 20, 2008 at 8:12 am |

    I know it’s been stated ad infinitum around here, but the Canes can’t do a Whalers throwback third – they don’t own the logos or the identity. We, the people of the state of Connecticut, do. It was part of the deal when the Whale left for Tobacco Road.

  • JTH | December 20, 2008 at 8:31 am |

    So I’m at a party last night (yes, really) and the host digs out this photo he took at game 6 of the NLCS shortly before the incident that shall not be discussed here. Mark Prior is pitching to Juan Pierre. I point out that the real oddity about the picture is that it’s a rare instance of both pitcher and batter wearing honest-to-goodness stirrups.

    The reaction I was fully prepared to deal with was blank “what the fuck is wrong with you?” stares all around. Instead, one of the other guests says to me, “Uh, OK, Mr. Uni Watch.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    It’s like, how much more black purple could this be? and the answer is none… none more black purple.

    (Yes, the sled is also purple, although it looks blue in the photo. I took it with my phone around sunset so the colors are a bit off.)

  • Matt | December 20, 2008 at 8:34 am |

    Why does it seem like you guys have no knowledge about hockey? Some of the comments make no sense… how you could think the Kings only recently added purple to their colour scheme show absolute ignorance to the history of the club. Some of the other comments also raise eyebrows.

    BTW, the single flag means “Storm Warning” so it is correct for the Hurricanes’ identity. It can mean Tropical Storm or Hurricane, depending on what hits.

  • Scott | December 20, 2008 at 9:30 am |

    And another thing about the Hurricanes …

    The reason there’s a triangle behind the flag in that secondary logo is in honor of the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill region, home to the Research Triangle Park. A little bit of homework and you’d know the region is referred to as “The Triangle.”

    You’re a little harsh with the ‘Canes comments, it’s a clean, sharp look at certainly COULD use a few tweaks, but as far as stupid black alts go, it’s serviceable. But the Thrashers, et al, are absolutely abysmal.

  • Mike Miller | December 20, 2008 at 9:32 am |

    Paul’s least favorite football game of the year comes on at 11 a.m. the DIII Football Championship, once again featuring Wis.-Whitewater and Mount Union. Black and Purple for EVERYONE!

    http://www.d3footbal...

    Also, non uni-related…Today is the last day of the RCA/Hoosier Dome, it will be imploded any minute now (supposed to happen at 9 a.m. ET)

    http://www.indystar....

  • John Baranowski | December 20, 2008 at 9:39 am |

    come on guys, some of those comments are completely out to lunch, and then you miss some HUGE things. For instance, Tampa Bay has a butt logo. http://www.icethetic...
    spend some time at Icethetics.info. I am a HUGE sweater traditionalist, and a collector of 79 hockey jerseys. I agree with a number of your rankings, but come on.

    Ottawa’s shoulder patch is not a flag! It’s a salute to the original senators, who wore barber-pole sweaters.

    Nothing is worse than the atlanta jersey. you had the description exactly right. the sharks phoned it in, and the naming rights blow, but there is no way you can justify it being worse than those maroon monstrocities.

    There are a lot of little things I hate about the sabres 3rd, having seen it live last night, i can justify those claims. The random stopping of the piping is worse than the piping itself (at least tampa bay’s goes the whole way around), the numbers muddle up the middle, and the yellow of the numbers is slightly darker than that of the striping…but this far down?! most places are ranking it 2nd (behind only the penguins), so this is rediculous.

    The kings switching to purple?! um…the original kings colors were purple and gold…

    Carolina is bad, but really, worse than Sens and Bolts?

    You guys disappoint me.

  • Peter | December 20, 2008 at 9:41 am |

    Dock Ellis has left the building…

    http://en.aikipedia....

    (I love the Jay Kaplan art)

  • BigMatt | December 20, 2008 at 9:51 am |

    Its really no surprise with Reebok in charge! They have never created anything that looks good.
    If only NIKE was still in hockey…

  • Shane | December 20, 2008 at 9:55 am |

    Agreed with Jim on the Bruins alt. Those yellow sweaters from the 60s were great. The Providence Bruins wore them as thirds (with a spoked P, obviously) a few years back.

  • JTH | December 20, 2008 at 10:24 am |

    OK, two things:
    [quote]how you could think the Kings only recently added purple to their colour scheme show absolute ignorance to the history of the club.[/quote]
    And
    [quote]The kings switching to purple?! um…the original kings colors were purple and gold…[/quote]
    This is the exact quote (I added the bold):

    “The Kings have sucked pretty hard since switching to the purple, so I don’t have a problem with harkening back to the Gretzky-era colors.”

    True or false?

    A)In the 40s, 50s & 60s, the White Sox had black as a primary color. True.

    B) The Sox switched from a navy and red color scheme to silver and black in 1990. True.

    Does A somehow render B false? No.

    Same holds true for the Kings. They switched to purple after several years without it in their color scheme. Nobody’s saying they never wore purple in the past.

  • Marty | December 20, 2008 at 10:30 am |

    Atlanta’s sweater is way, way, way the worst. It’s up there with the late-nineties’ Houston Rockets.
    How did the the stockings, or legging, go unmentioned?

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 10:37 am |

    [quote comment=”306556″]
    You guys disappoint me.[/quote]

    When Phil asked for opinions to be sent in, where were you?

    Right. Who’s next in line?

  • David Murphy | December 20, 2008 at 10:38 am |

    This Atlanta resident certainly agrees about the Thrashers alt…unbelievably bad! Those poor Thrashers! And Paul, even though I remain a daily reader, sorry for not posting much!

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment=”306561″]Atlanta’s sweater is way, way, way the worst. It’s up there with the late-nineties’ Houston Rockets.
    How did the the stockings, or legging, go unmentioned?[/quote]

    The uniform itself is a travesty, so we’d be beating a dead horse if we focused on how bad the socks are. LOL

  • Mark K | December 20, 2008 at 10:39 am |

    I agree with the middle-of-the-road ranking for Buffalo. The only reason people like them so much is because they don’t have a banana slug on them. Gray pit stains, stupid piping, and the “updated” blurrified logo make them avarage at best.

    Another missed opportunity.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment=”306565″]I agree with the middle-of-the-road ranking for Buffalo. The only reason people like them so much is because they don’t have a banana slug on them. Gray pit stains, stupid piping, and the “updated” blurrified logo make them avarage at best.

    Another missed opportunity.[/quote]

    I believe that’s precisely what landed them where they did, Mark. A few of the voters had them ranked high, but the majority of voting put them in the middle of the pack.

  • The Ol Goaler | December 20, 2008 at 10:55 am |

    I have no idea why Reebok insists on funk-john underarm circles and the unspeakable “Bettman Bib”YUCK!!!

    And maybe it’s just me, but the Dallas Stars seem to be screaming, “WE SHOULD STILL BE WEARING WHITE SWEATERS AT HOME, DAMMIT!!!!” Ah, well…

  • Beno | December 20, 2008 at 10:57 am |

    Overall I guess I’d pretty much agree with the rankings so far. I think the only reason that Atlanta’s isn’t the worst is because I’d say its an improvement over their actual home jersey, as sad as that is to say. And since everyone is harping on team histories, the Bruins logo in their alt is one of their original logos, so in some respect I guess I don’t have as much problem with that jersey. Something does need to be done to break up all that black though. To be honest, of all the alt jerseys out, I don’t know that I really like any of them. It seems most of the teams just felt the need to have one for the sake of it, and they all pretty much failed at whatever they were trying to do.

  • kj | December 20, 2008 at 11:11 am |

    Yes, I get the whole having a black alternate is bad, but at least the teams that have introduced them recently already had black as part of their color scheme.

    Then again, we know that everything made after about 1965 is bad, so what other review could be expected of any of the new thirds?

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”306569″]Yes, I get the whole having a black alternate is bad, but at least the teams that have introduced them recently already had black as part of their color scheme.

    Then again, we know that everything made after about 1965 is bad, so what other review could be expected of any of the new thirds?[/quote]

    Why is 1965 a banner year? There were only six teams to speak of at that time, none of which had a primary colour of black.

    1967 introduced a variety of colours to the NHL spectrum. The same can be said for the 1979 WHA-NHL merge. If you’ll notice, most of the voters wanted returns to the 1960-1980 jerseys.

  • RugbyJosh | December 20, 2008 at 11:16 am |

    Man some of those designs are SO bad – especially the “Bolts” and the “Sens” – but I’m not sure it’s fair to criticize Ottawa for going with an edgy design when they could have done something retro, and then criticizing the way that the Sabres tried to do something retro. I think a good question for a future posting would be: has there even been a **perfect** alternate or third jersey? I’d exclude throwbacks from this question because the best way to do a throwback would be to do it just like the original. Does anyone have any favorite jersey that is supposed to riff of a current design without being completely historically-based?

  • mark | December 20, 2008 at 11:17 am |

    Phil, Teebz…

    Once again a ‘meaty’ Saturday column. Thank you… I like the old purple/yellow Kings sweaters of the R. Vechon(sp)era. That one should be their Alt jersey…IMO

  • jon | December 20, 2008 at 11:17 am |

    does anyone else think it kinda goes against the “aesthetics” part of this page to rank a uniform last simply because it has ties to corporate marketing? most people dont know about that outside of this blog and even fewer care whatsoever. aesthetically, that sharks sweater certainly is not the worst in the league. im willing to say it should be up much, much higher, even though it is one of too many black alts (coming from someone who likes black, even i say there are too many black alts). aesthetically, its a pretty good look. i dont care about the corporate background of it. and i believe most people in san jose would agree.

  • Tom V | December 20, 2008 at 11:19 am |

    I loved the Bruins yellow alternate from a few years back. It was just a good looking sweater that for once was done right, without a wordmark on the chest at all. If you knew that jersey, you knew who the team was.

    Tampa’s got an alternate logo that would have been a great front chest logo, its a lightning bolt over the state of florida. Thats it, again, no word mark at all, I got a hat with the logo and its perfect, all it needs to be.

    Am curious to see how the Islanders end up in this survey, theirs is not so much an alternate jersey but a throwback, so low on the creativity meter but high on the historic level and good looks. Gets a nice royal blue back in the game, and again, good color, low creativity, but the Islanders have already gone the creative route once…I believe they jailed the guy who was GM during that reign. (They say for embezzlement but I think it may have been the design…)

  • Jim McCue | December 20, 2008 at 11:19 am |

    Thanks to the people who took the time to provide comments to Phil in order to compile a weekend-long hockey-fest. I enjoy hockey, but do not get the time to dissect all of the alts.

    I am an unfortunate owner of a Kings Burger Kings alt (I believe that it was on a major clearance when I bought it – or I was drunk), so I always love it when that awful sweater gets linked with comments of ridicule.

    Now I just need to figure out if Daniel McCue is some distant cousin of mine.

  • Robert in Dallas | December 20, 2008 at 11:20 am |

    I am not a hockey guy and usually just skim the hockey-related topics, but I read this one from top to bottom. Superb job. Give yourselves not one, but two, gold stars.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 11:22 am |

    [quote comment=”306573″]does anyone else think it kinda goes against the “aesthetics” part of this page to rank a uniform last simply because it has ties to corporate marketing? most people dont know about that outside of this blog and even fewer care whatsoever. aesthetically, that sharks sweater certainly is not the worst in the league. im willing to say it should be up much, much higher, even though it is one of too many black alts (coming from someone who likes black, even i say there are too many black alts). aesthetically, its a pretty good look. i dont care about the corporate background of it. and i believe most people in san jose would agree.[/quote]

    Absolutely not. Is it aesthetically wrong to paste advertisements all over your uniform? The Sharks sold out their entire set of uniforms to a partner. Are they that deep in the red?

    I understand the partnership with Seagate, but, as you said, “most people dont know about that outside of this blog and even fewer care”, so why sell out at all then?

    Ask yourself the basic question that this entire article was written on: is it good, or is it stupid? The Sharks’ BlackArmor is the pinnacle of stupidity since “most people don’t know about that outside of this blog and even fewer care”.

  • =bg= | December 20, 2008 at 11:26 am |

    Going off the reservation here. Not a hockey guy, tho the Sharkies look cool.

    Why on earth is THE LAST EVER HOME GAME PLAYED AT TEXAS STADIUM UNLESS THERES A MIRACLE AND THEY PLAY AT HOME AS A WILDCARD, NOT BEING SHOWN ON CABLE, AND IS ON THAT WRETCHED NFL NETWORK THAT NO ONE WATCHES????????????

  • Ted | December 20, 2008 at 11:33 am |

    [quote comment=”306553″]

    BTW, the single flag means “Storm Warning” so it is correct for the Hurricanes’ identity. It can mean Tropical Storm or Hurricane, depending on what hits.[/quote]

    Um actually you are wrong on this one, single flag does mean storm warning, a double flag is Hurricane Warning or Hurricane.

    After serving 20 years in the Coast Guard I am pretty sure I am able to correct your fact.

    Sorry no cookie

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 11:33 am |

    [quote comment=”306578″]Going off the reservation here. Not a hockey guy, tho the Sharkies look cool.
    [/quote]

    I’ll admit that I’m not a fan of the black uniforms, and the Sharks had done a black alternate before, so I’m ok with their look. It was a decent update to a cartoony logo. The problem is that they sold out. This is not an NHL jersey, nor should it ever be.

  • fluxcap | December 20, 2008 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment=”306578″]Going off the reservation here. Not a hockey guy, tho the Sharkies look cool.

    Why on earth is THE LAST EVER HOME GAME PLAYED AT TEXAS STADIUM UNLESS THERES A MIRACLE AND THEY PLAY AT HOME AS A WILDCARD, NOT BEING SHOWN ON CABLE, AND IS ON THAT WRETCHED NFL NETWORK THAT NO ONE WATCHES????????????[/quote]

    The Cowboys can’t have a home Wildcard game, the only way they can have another home game would be the NFC Championship Game

  • Harpa | December 20, 2008 at 11:38 am |

    Am watching the WakeForest/Navy game, and wondering — isn’t there some NCAA rule about the level of contrast between unis? Both teams have light jerseys & dark pants…

  • Ted | December 20, 2008 at 11:41 am |

    Well being a hockey guy, and I haven’t googled this yet but when the hell did hockey, ok baseball too, start with this alternate jersey thing?

    Seriously there have been some horrid alternate jerseys out there.

    I agree with the Kings 1 dollar knock of statement.

    The Sharks third uni absolutely is trash. They could have gone completely off the reservation (sorry loved that statement so will use it here) and come up with some variation of the Oakland/California/Northern California Golden Seals jerseys of the expansion era.

    The Bruins, (and this from a displaced New Englander) should have just gone with a throw back jersey and not done the black alternate as their third jersey.

  • Brandon | December 20, 2008 at 12:01 pm |

    As to the Lightning. Here in Tampa the tv,radio and print media have been calling the team the Bolts since ’92. I rarely use it but on occasion I do. I would have preffered the secondary logo on the blue they chose to use.

  • ToasterPoodle | December 20, 2008 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”306582″]Am watching the WakeForest/Navy game, and wondering — isn’t there some NCAA rule about the level of contrast between unis? Both teams have light jerseys & dark pants…[/quote]

    also, Navy is in their USMC inspired unis again today

  • Jason | December 20, 2008 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”306583″]Well being a hockey guy, and I haven’t googled this yet but when the hell did hockey, ok baseball too, start with this alternate jersey thing?

    Seriously there have been some horrid alternate jerseys out there.

    I agree with the Kings 1 dollar knock of statement.

    The Sharks third uni absolutely is trash. They could have gone completely off the reservation (sorry loved that statement so will use it here) and come up with some variation of the Oakland/California/Northern California Golden Seals jerseys of the expansion era.

    The Bruins, (and this from a displaced New Englander) should have just gone with a throw back jersey and not done the black alternate as their third jersey.[/quote]

    i believe it started in 1995-1996, teams like anahiem, los angeles, boston, vancouver, pittsburgh, and st.louis (never worn)came out with third jerseys. All of those third jerseys were absolutely awful and will (hopefully) never be seen again.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 12:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”306583″]Well being a hockey guy, and I haven’t googled this yet but when the hell did hockey, ok baseball too, start with this alternate jersey thing?
    [/quote]

    It depends. Montreal was wearing a third sweater in 1946-47, and Toronto introduced both a dark blue and white sweater in 1927-28 when only one sweater was the norm. The New York Americans had two sweaters in the 1933-34, and Detroit followed suit the next season.

    Boston officially introduced the first alternate sweater, I believe, in 1955-56 when they added a yellow sweater to their uniform sets. In 1957-58, this yellow sweater replaced the black sweater until the 1959-60 season. Boston had three sweaters until 1965-66 when the black sweater was eliminated from the uniform set again. In 1967-68, the Bruins eliminated the yellow sweater, and brough back the black home sweater.

    The 1981-82 Pittsburgh Penguins were the next team to adopt three sweaters for use throughout the season when they introduced a yellow-based jersey to their uniform set. The yellow jersey lasted until the 1985-86 season.

    The official outbreak started in 1995-96 when Anaheim introduced the Wild Wing jersey, Boston introduced the Pooh Bear jersey, LA introduced the Burger King jersey, Pittsburgh introduced Robo-Penguin, and Vancouver had the red-and-black skate alternate.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 12:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”306584″]As to the Lightning. Here in Tampa the tv,radio and print media have been calling the team the Bolts since ’92. I rarely use it but on occasion I do. I would have preffered the secondary logo on the blue they chose to use.[/quote]

    That’s fine. Anyone can call them the “Bolts” in their writing or reporting. The Lightning cannot control that.

    But when you’re on the ice in a professional sports league, you are your professional name. Otherwise, we’d have the “Avs”, “Wings”, “Habs”, “Isles”, “Yotes”, “Pens”, “Buds”, “Nucks”, and “Caps” on the ice as well.

  • Chad | December 20, 2008 at 12:10 pm |

    Football engineering at Carnegie Mellon
    http://www.post-gaze...

  • Ricko | December 20, 2008 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”306582″]Am watching the WakeForest/Navy game, and wondering — isn’t there some NCAA rule about the level of contrast between unis? Both teams have light jerseys & dark pants…[/quote]

    What channel is that on? I’m getting some guys in band uniforms against a team that evidently is playing…well, topless.

    Must the Shirts & Skins Bowl.

    —Ricko

    (Good job on the jersey analysis, LI Phil and Teebz. I won’t comment cuz my grumpy old school mind can’t get past, “Why everybody gotta have an ‘alt’ jersey, anyway?'” Yankees, for example—whose unis eveyone applauds as “classic”—don’t seem to feel the retail compulsion to add an “alt”. I can see a great throwback like the Red Wings, but I suppose if you HAVE no tradition you can always opt for a gimmick. “Our tradition? Shallowness and marketing, can’t you tell?”).

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 12:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”306590″][quote comment=”306582″]Am watching the WakeForest/Navy game, and wondering — isn’t there some NCAA rule about the level of contrast between unis? Both teams have light jerseys & dark pants…[/quote]

    What channel is that on? I’m getting some guys in band uniforms against a team that evidently is playing…well, topless.

    Must the Shirts & Skins Bowl.

    —Ricko

    (Good job on the jersey analysis, LI Phil and Teebz. I won’t comment cuz my grumpy old school mind can’t get past, “Why everybody gotta have an ‘alt’ jersey, anyway?'” Yankees, for example—whose unis eveyone applauds as “classic”—don’t seem to feel the retail compulsion to add an “alt”. I can see a great throwback like the Red Wings, but I suppose if you HAVE no tradition you can always opt for a gimmick. “Our tradition? Shallowness and marketing, can’t you tell?”).[/quote]

    That’s what I want to hear! Give us your thoughts, Sir Ricko! I don’t have any pennies for those thoughts on me, though. ;o)

  • Sebs | December 20, 2008 at 12:17 pm |

    It’s too bad most judgments passed on uniforms are done by 14 year old boys. That’s why the Broncos and Bucs usually lead in kewl points. And why something as simple and nice as the Dallas Stars’ white jersey is rated far too low. Sorry it doesn’t have 3d numbers and multicolored paneling or over-striping.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 12:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”306592″]It’s too bad most judgments passed on uniforms are done by 14 year old boys. That’s why the Broncos and Bucs usually lead in kewl points. And why something as simple and nice as the Dallas Stars’ white jersey is rated far too low. Sorry it doesn’t have 3d numbers and multicolored paneling or over-striping.[/quote]

    Or how it is a replica of their home jersey, making it a perfect road jersey rather than an alternate.

    Or how the Stars have a rich history of uniform options.

    Or how their current road jersey would be better served as an alternate.

    Or how they could be mistaken for the University of Dallas.

  • Ryan | December 20, 2008 at 12:19 pm |

    Is it just me or is there something just wrong about seeing the Navy student body in full military dress with big yellow foam fingers?

  • MPowers1634 | December 20, 2008 at 12:22 pm |

    Today’s entry :(

    I miss Bryan:

    http://bigheadnyc.co...

  • Johnny F. | December 20, 2008 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”306588″][quote comment=”306584″]As to the Lightning. Here in Tampa the tv,radio and print media have been calling the team the Bolts since ’92. I rarely use it but on occasion I do. I would have preffered the secondary logo on the blue they chose to use.[/quote]

    That’s fine. Anyone can call them the “Bolts” in their writing or reporting. The Lightning cannot control that.

    But when you’re on the ice in a professional sports league, you are your professional name. Otherwise, we’d have the “Avs”, “Wings”, “Habs”, “Isles”, “Yotes”, “Pens”, “Buds”, “Nucks”, and “Caps” on the ice as well.[/quote]

    Well said. It’s like an imaginary “professionalism” line was crossed, in an effort to sell something new. It screams “gimmick”. Have “Bolts” and “Sens” designer jerseys available in retail stores, so toolbags can buy them if they so choose. But don’t force them on to the ice. It’s classless.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”306595″]Today’s entry :(

    I miss Bryan:

    http://bigheadnyc.co...

    Anytime there are 3000 lines of Nike shoe talk, and improperly linked HTML coding. :(

    LOL… kidding, Powers. But you should like this kind of hockey talk. Nike was a major player in the introduction of alternate uniforms in hockey.

  • Johnny F. | December 20, 2008 at 12:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”306593″][quote comment=”306592″]It’s too bad most judgments passed on uniforms are done by 14 year old boys. That’s why the Broncos and Bucs usually lead in kewl points. And why something as simple and nice as the Dallas Stars’ white jersey is rated far too low. Sorry it doesn’t have 3d numbers and multicolored paneling or over-striping.[/quote]

    Or how it is a replica of their home jersey, making it a perfect road jersey rather than an alternate.

    Or how the Stars have a rich history of uniform options.

    Or how their current road jersey would be better served as an alternate.

    Or how they could be mistaken for the University of Dallas.[/quote]

    Considerding this: http://nhl.imageg.ne...

    or this:
    http://www.taitlifto...

    It should be viewed as a step in the right direction.

    Personally, I’d like to see the Stars with home greens, road whites, and the black as an alt (if you absolutely HAVE to have it).

  • MPowers1634 | December 20, 2008 at 12:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”306597″][quote comment=”306595″]Today’s entry :(

    I miss Bryan:

    http://bigheadnyc.co...

    Anytime there are 3000 lines of Nike shoe talk, and improperly linked HTML coding. :(

    LOL… kidding, Powers. But you should like this kind of hockey talk. Nike was a major player in the introduction of alternate uniforms in hockey.[/quote]

    A bit o’ ball breakage, perhaps?

    It’s a dollup of venting against anything snow or ice-related.

    Last night:

    1. My house
    2. My WW2 Vet Neighbor’s house
    3. My neighbor across the street
    4. My wife’s grandfather’s house
    5. The Building we own
    6. My father-in-law’s house

    And like the Stephen King novel IT, I had to do the whole thing again today!

    So, if it’s all the same, you canucks can keep your f’ing snow and ice.

    Continue…

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 12:41 pm |

    [quote comment=\”306599\”]
    So, if it’s all the same, you canucks can keep your f’ing snow and ice.

    Continue…[/quote]

    Or you could move to, say, Florida? LOL

    I’m not breaking your balls, per se. I’m just pointing out that we all have our likes and dislikes. I do read and click on the links in your articles just so I know what you’re talking about.

    Besides, Nike introduced a pile of skate options and some new technology in skates as well. That’s footwear. :o)

  • Marcus Ramsey | December 20, 2008 at 12:48 pm |

    I think when your last alt jersey looked like a diagram of female genitalia you try to play it pretty close to the chest.

    Around Dallas it seems like everyone is pretty indifferent towards it, all the fans at the game wear old Stars jerseys or the new black one. Rarely is there either white one.

    I do not know if it has been mentioned here before but one thing I do not like is the shoulder patch. It looks like it is just the logo, but when you see it up close it has glitter on it.

  • Shane | December 20, 2008 at 12:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”306567″]funk-john[/quote]

    That’s a new one on me.

  • Johnny F. | December 20, 2008 at 1:04 pm |

    Speaking about hockey, let’s have a shout out to the motherland….

    Check out this beautiful 1954 Soviet sweater…it’s not the color you’d expect to see:

    http://bp3.blogger.c...

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 1:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”306603″]Speaking about hockey, let’s have a shout out to the motherland….

    Check out this beautiful 1954 Soviet sweater…it’s not the color you’d expect to see:

    http://bp3.blogger.c...

    Nice! I like, Johnny. Some of the old Soviet sweaters/jerseys are excellent, despite what they stand for.

  • zac | December 20, 2008 at 1:05 pm |

    i actually read all the time but never really comment, just wanted to say thanks for the list so far, good to see someone is paying attention to this great sport. only two comments, first, i love the buffalo jerseys, the color change doesnt bother me and it does look damn sharp on the ice.

    lastly as a lightning fan (unfortunately) good to see someone ripping the use of “bolts” on the front of their jerseys, not once at a game have i ever heard the term “bolts” coming from a fan, the local media has done nothing but rave about the alt, i actually love the blue but it looks halfway done because the bottoms are still black, hopefully they get fix it for next year ( along with the team ) . thanks again looking forward to part 2.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 1:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”306605″]i actually read all the time but never really comment, just wanted to say thanks for the list so far, good to see someone is paying attention to this great sport. only two comments, first, i love the buffalo jerseys, the color change doesnt bother me and it does look damn sharp on the ice.

    lastly as a lightning fan (unfortunately) good to see someone ripping the use of “bolts” on the front of their jerseys, not once at a game have i ever heard the term “bolts” coming from a fan, the local media has done nothing but rave about the alt, i actually love the blue but it looks halfway done because the bottoms are still black, hopefully they get fix it for next year ( along with the team ) . thanks again looking forward to part 2.[/quote]

    Glad to have you, Zac. There’s lots of open seats in the hockey wing, so don’t be a stranger. Pipe up when you want! :o)

  • zac | December 20, 2008 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”306606″][quote comment=”306605″]i actually read all the time but never really comment, just wanted to say thanks for the list so far, good to see someone is paying attention to this great sport. only two comments, first, i love the buffalo jerseys, the color change doesnt bother me and it does look damn sharp on the ice.

    lastly as a lightning fan (unfortunately) good to see someone ripping the use of “bolts” on the front of their jerseys, not once at a game have i ever heard the term “bolts” coming from a fan, the local media has done nothing but rave about the alt, i actually love the blue but it looks halfway done because the bottoms are still black, hopefully they get fix it for next year ( along with the team ) . thanks again looking forward to part 2.[/quote]

    Glad to have you, Zac. There’s lots of open seats in the hockey wing, so don’t be a stranger. Pipe up when you want! :o)[/quote]

    it does feel lonely being a hockey fan nowdays huh. damn the monopoly known as espn. props for the mockups as well.

  • LI Phil | December 20, 2008 at 1:17 pm |

    thanks to all who have commented so far…but everyone give a huge shout out to teebz for his yeoman work on this (and tomorrow’s) column…you may not agree with the rankings (they were actually not teebz’ and mine, but an average of the small survey, as we pointed out)…

    and personally, i’d have ranked them a little differently, myself

    but hey, im not a hockey guy (at least, not like many of you are)…

    thanks for all the comments!

  • Johnny F. | December 20, 2008 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”306604″][quote comment=”306603″]Speaking about hockey, let’s have a shout out to the motherland….

    Check out this beautiful 1954 Soviet sweater…it’s not the color you’d expect to see:

    http://bp3.blogger.c...

    Nice! I like, Johnny. Some of the old Soviet sweaters/jerseys are excellent, despite what they stand for.[/quote]

    They sure are. Some very classic designs.

    And kudos, Teebz, for one heckuva job this weekend (and just about everyday, when you grace us with your hockey…and general.. knowledge). Phil deserves beaucoup credit as well. Not just for his awesome, content-filled weekend contributions, but for the full-canvassed UW approach he brings. It just keeps getting better and better.

    As far as the hockey content goes… Hockey fans may not be the majority, but they are a devoted and passionate group. I’m proud to be part of the group, and am very much looking forward to tomorrow’s installment as well!

  • interlockingtc | December 20, 2008 at 1:41 pm |

    What a great post today. I love this kind of stuff.

    But I do not love contemporary hockey jersey designs. The designs are lazy, unimaginative and colorless. Black, black, black…..sigh. And where color is used, nightmarish (ie, Atlanta). [Speaking of Atlanta…Thrashers, look back at the old Flames jersey. It is perfection. Let it influence you next time you re-design…which, hopefully will be tomorrow].

    Yes, you can call me grandpa, but give me the late ’70’s models where one finds style, color, hem stripes and block numbers.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 1:41 pm |

    I guess I should offer my speech as well.

    First, I want to thank everyone who voted, and all of you who add continually to the daily chatter on Uni Watch. For those of you who didn’t vote, that’s ok too. Hockey, like soccer, is a truly global sport, and that’s what makes it so special.

    Without the information exchanged here, none of us would be as knowledgeable as we are, so it’s a great community with all walks of life. I am truly thankful for all of you and the laughs and knowledge you’ve given to me on a variety of sports and topics.

    Secondly, Phil, a huge thanks to you for undertaking this project. And thanks for asking me to be a part of it. I enjoyed every second of it.

    And third, Paul, thanks for the daily articles. I know hockey isn’t your cup of tea, but you let us babble about it, and I’m grateful for that. Thanks!

  • Brandon | December 20, 2008 at 1:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”306588″][quote comment=”306584″]As to the Lightning. Here in Tampa the tv,radio and print media have been calling the team the Bolts since ’92. I rarely use it but on occasion I do. I would have preffered the secondary logo on the blue they chose to use.[/quote]

    That’s fine. Anyone can call them the “Bolts” in their writing or reporting. The Lightning cannot control that.

    But when you’re on the ice in a professional sports league, you are your professional name. Otherwise, we’d have the “Avs”, “Wings”, “Habs”, “Isles”, “Yotes”, “Pens”, “Buds”, “Nucks”, and “Caps” on the ice as well.[/quote]

    Teebz, how do you explain these teams of the past?
    Knickerbockers, Red Stockings, & White Stockings granted different sports all together. But sometimes the nicknames of teams names end up being the team name. Not saying this is the case down here.

  • Brandon | December 20, 2008 at 1:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”306594″]Is it just me or is there something just wrong about seeing the Navy student body in full military dress with big yellow foam fingers?[/quote]

    It’s just you. Nothing wrong with that at all. Are they just supposed to stand there at attention all game long?

  • Jack H. | December 20, 2008 at 1:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”306588″][quote comment=”306584″]As to the Lightning. Here in Tampa the tv,radio and print media have been calling the team the Bolts since ’92. I rarely use it but on occasion I do. I would have preffered the secondary logo on the blue they chose to use.[/quote]

    That’s fine. Anyone can call them the “Bolts” in their writing or reporting. The Lightning cannot control that.

    But when you’re on the ice in a professional sports league, you are your professional name. Otherwise, we’d have the “Avs”, “Wings”, “Habs”, “Isles”, “Yotes”, “Pens”, “Buds”, “Nucks”, and “Caps” on the ice as well.[/quote]

    There are certain of those nickmames, though, that I think sound more acceptable and actually kinda sound professional. “Avs” and “Wings” and “Habs” or “Caps” are sorta common;y accepted now anyway (didn’t the “Caps” use the nickname on their jersey a while ago?), but “Nucks”? Or “Yotes”? Those just sound stupid.

  • Dustin | December 20, 2008 at 2:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”306553″]Why does it seem like you guys have no knowledge about hockey? Some of the comments make no sense… how you could think the Kings only recently added purple to their colour scheme show absolute ignorance to the history of the club. Some of the other comments also raise eyebrows.

    BTW, the single flag means “Storm Warning” so it is correct for the Hurricanes’ identity. It can mean Tropical Storm or Hurricane, depending on what hits.[/quote]

    I know it’s only Wikipedia, but the listing on there says single is for a watch and double is for a warning. The way they’re playing right now, a single flag is right because they’re not putting any fear into me. If they are wrong and I am a fool for quoting them, please correct it.

    [quote comment=”306558″]Its really no surprise with Reebok in charge! They have never created anything that looks good.
    If only NIKE was still in hockey…[/quote]

    Yeah, if NIKE was still in hockey, last time I checked, they technically are still in hockey, but just not in the NHL. Also, they didn’t really force any design changes (there were a few teams, like the Blackhawks, that used them. I believe the Flyers might have as well).

    [quote comment=”306595″]Today’s entry :(

    I miss Bryan:

    http://bigheadnyc.co...

    Yes, he did add a different flavor to the blog, but he’s not here anymore. I appreciate that we do occasionally bring up hockey, especially this year being the first year of alternates with the (dull) EDGE jerseys. You can check your RSS feed and if you don’t like the title, you don’t have to read it.

    On alternate jerseys, I was at my most impressionable time during the early mid-90’s, also when I started getting deep into hockey. I actually liked the green/black star Star’s alternate. Yes, simple is good, but if you’re lacking any contrast (like white-dominated stripes on a white jersey, or black top, socks and breezers), you aren’t that good of a jersey in my opinion (even the Canadiens and Rangers never match jersey with breezers when I watched).

    I like black as a design element, but I don’t like it as much as the base of the design (unless it’s officially one of your colors upon inception, not modified to include it). I’m also not a fan of using the same color or jersey for your alternate than what you use for home/road already (one exception is the Leafs’ alternates).

    Another thing that I appreciate is using the primary logo as a shoulder patch and using the normal secondary on the chest on the alternates (or using a new identity, such as the Flames’ horse head or the Stars Taurus constellation on the front, as long as you keep the main identity on the shoulders).

    I apologize for not seeing the original call for opinions (I’ve been on a huge deadline lately). I would have gladly thrown my two cents in there, whether anyone would agree with me or not (I respect other people’s opinions as long as it doesn’t get to a fight of insults).

    Phil, Teebz, thanks for bringing the spotlight onto hockey, even if it’s just for one weekend. Another resource to check out is Icethetics.info for his rankings. It’s interesting to see the three compared against each other.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”306614″][quote comment=”306588″][quote comment=”306584″]As to the Lightning. Here in Tampa the tv,radio and print media have been calling the team the Bolts since ’92. I rarely use it but on occasion I do. I would have preffered the secondary logo on the blue they chose to use.[/quote]

    That’s fine. Anyone can call them the “Bolts” in their writing or reporting. The Lightning cannot control that.

    But when you’re on the ice in a professional sports league, you are your professional name. Otherwise, we’d have the “Avs”, “Wings”, “Habs”, “Isles”, “Yotes”, “Pens”, “Buds”, “Nucks”, and “Caps” on the ice as well.[/quote]

    There are certain of those nickmames, though, that I think sound more acceptable and actually kinda sound professional. “Avs” and “Wings” and “Habs” or “Caps” are sorta common;y accepted now anyway (didn’t the “Caps” use the nickname on their jersey a while ago?), but “Nucks”? Or “Yotes”? Those just sound stupid.[/quote]

    No, the Capitals have used “Capitals” on all jerseys when it came to wordmarks.

    “Habs” is actually a misnomer for the Canadiens. Les Habitants were the name of the settlers in French Montreal, and the Clube Athlétique de Canadien were marketed as the French-Canadian hockey club, whereas the Maroons and Wanderers were marketed as to Anglo-Montreal. People started calling the Canadiens “Les Habitants” due to their devoted following in French Montreal because of all the Frenchmen on the team.

    The name was first associated with the club when a Montreal newspaper reporter published a story on the Canadiens and referred to them as “la clube de hockey des Habitants”.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 2:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”306595″][quote comment=”306558″]Its really no surprise with Reebok in charge! They have never created anything that looks good.
    If only NIKE was still in hockey…[/quote]

    Yeah, if NIKE was still in hockey, last time I checked, they technically are still in hockey, but just not in the NHL. Also, they didn’t really force any design changes (there were a few teams, like the Blackhawks, that used them. I believe the Flyers might have as well).[/quote]

    They were involved with the Ducks, and actually presented two alternate jerseys for the Anaheim Mighty Ducks: home and away. Nike was trying to expand the merchandising for the team, and introduced an alternate set of uniforms to be worn.

    They also dressed the Sharks, and came up with an alternate for the San Jose club. The Red Wings, Flyers, and Blackhawks were also Nike teams.

    Nike also had the pleasure of dressing the Oilers for a few years in the mid-1980s. Here’s an Andy Moog jersey with the familiar swoosh.

  • =bg= | December 20, 2008 at 2:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”306581″][quote comment=”306578″]Going off the reservation here. Not a hockey guy, tho the Sharkies look cool.

    Why on earth is THE LAST EVER HOME GAME PLAYED AT TEXAS STADIUM UNLESS THERES A MIRACLE AND THEY PLAY AT HOME AS A WILDCARD, NOT BEING SHOWN ON CABLE, AND IS ON THAT WRETCHED NFL NETWORK THAT NO ONE WATCHES????????????[/quote]

    The Cowboys can’t have a home Wildcard game, the only way they can have another home game would be the NFC Championship Game[/quote]

    that’s why the word ‘miracle’ is included.

  • pete | December 20, 2008 at 2:30 pm |

    Bring back Bryan. This is a lame entry.

  • somethings on my shoe | December 20, 2008 at 2:34 pm |

    I’m a fourth generation native Floridian who believes that the winter is just some fairy tale parents tell their kids about to keep them from traveling to far from home so excuse my ignorance on the subject of hockey, but why the tape around the leg warmers? I assume it’s there to keep them up but couldn’t this work with something internal like elastic or velcro?

  • Kevin | December 20, 2008 at 2:37 pm |

    I think! that you use too many! exclamation marks and BLOCK CAPITALS! in your writing! Although I fundamentally cannot! disagree! with your OPINIONS!

  • K Dawg | December 20, 2008 at 2:40 pm |

    great job with the larger weekend entries, LI Phil. Especially with these being hockey-related.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”306619″]Bring back Bryan. This is a lame entry.[/quote]

    So when Bryan devoted his weekends to sports other than baseball and football, you were paying attention, right? Because I’m pretty sure he did.

    Let’s see here. So far, Phil’s list of weekend entries has been the following:

    – the Miracle at Meadowlands
    – LPGA golf and Annika Sorenstam
    – Bronko Nagurski and his impact on football
    – the Preston Rivulettes hockey team
    – color vs. color in the NCAA
    – Army vs. Navy and a breakdown of their uniforms
    – the “Greatest Game Ever Played”
    – baseball uniforms from the early 1900s
    – NHL alternate uniforms

    Thanks for stopping by. As much as I respect Bryan’s work, Phil is certainly holding his own.

  • Daniel | December 20, 2008 at 2:44 pm |

    Why are all the comments tearing apart the design of the alts EXCEPT the Stars, where it’s being defended?

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 2:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”306620″]I’m a fourth generation native Floridian who believes that the winter is just some fairy tale parents tell their kids about to keep them from traveling to far from home so excuse my ignorance on the subject of hockey, but why the tape around the leg warmers? I assume it’s there to keep them up but couldn’t this work with something internal like elastic or velcro?[/quote]

    The tape secures the shin pads underneath the sock. When the socks move, the shin pads move underneath as well, so the tape is used to hold the shin pad and sock in place.

    If there was velcro on the inside of the sock, there’s a good chance the shinpad will move if the sock moves.

    It’s like when players in baseball use elastics to hold their socks up when they go for the short pants look – the socks stay where they are because they are secured much better.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 2:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”306624″]Why are all the comments tearing apart the design of the alts EXCEPT the Stars, where it’s being defended?[/quote]

    I dislike the new Stars jersey. On my own personal voting card, I had them in at #15, just ahead of the Senators, and just behind the Lightning.

    Personally, they created a road jersey – something that should have been done over a year ago. Thanks for playing catch-up, Stars.

  • timmy b | December 20, 2008 at 2:57 pm |

    classic throwbies I’d like to see in the NHL:

    Bruins wearing some form of brown that they wore in the 20’s & early 30’s.

    Jackets saluting the old AHL monaculed Cleveland Baron logo.

    Red Wings generic whites that they wore from the 30’s thru the mid-50’s.

    Oilers in their original Alberta Oilers get up from the WHA.

    Kings in the all yellow from head to ankle.

    Rangers in those mid-70’s contraptions.

    The Pens wearing the original mid-20’s Pirates NHL yellow jersey.

    Blues with the mid-80’s arched “BLUES” over the small blue note

    The Leafs sporting any variation of the St. Pats sweaters from the 20’s.

    …among others

  • Jim BC | December 20, 2008 at 3:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”306623″][quote comment=”306619″]Bring back Bryan. This is a lame entry.[/quote]

    So when Bryan devoted his weekends to sports other than baseball and football, you were paying attention, right? Because I’m pretty sure he did.

    Let’s see here. So far, Phil’s list of weekend entries has been the following:

    – the Miracle at Meadowlands
    – LPGA golf and Annika Sorenstam
    – Bronko Nagurski and his impact on football
    – the Preston Rivulettes hockey team
    – color vs. color in the NCAA
    – Army vs. Navy and a breakdown of their uniforms
    – the “Greatest Game Ever Played”
    – baseball uniforms from the early 1900s
    – NHL alternate uniforms

    Thanks for stopping by. As much as I respect Bryan’s work, Phil is certainly holding his own.[/quote]
    I personally think Phil is the King! Great job on #’s 10-19 Phil/Teebz – looking forward to tomorrow’s entry. Hockey rules!

  • Jim BC | December 20, 2008 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”306626″][quote comment=”306624″]Why are all the comments tearing apart the design of the alts EXCEPT the Stars, where it’s being defended?[/quote]

    I dislike the new Stars jersey. On my own personal voting card, I had them in at #15, just ahead of the Senators, and just behind the Lightning.

    Personally, they created a road jersey – something that should have been done over a year ago. Thanks for playing catch-up, Stars.[/quote]
    Teebz – I had the Stars at #19 – it just isn’t working for me.

  • Jim Bullard | December 20, 2008 at 3:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”306598″][quote comment=”306593″][quote comment=”306592″]It’s too bad most judgments passed on uniforms are done by 14 year old boys. That’s why the Broncos and Bucs usually lead in kewl points. And why something as simple and nice as the Dallas Stars’ white jersey is rated far too low. Sorry it doesn’t have 3d numbers and multicolored paneling or over-striping.[/quote]

    Or how it is a replica of their home jersey, making it a perfect road jersey rather than an alternate.

    Or how the Stars have a rich history of uniform options.

    Or how their current road jersey would be better served as an alternate.

    Or how they could be mistaken for the University of Dallas.[/quote]

    Considerding this: http://nhl.imageg.ne...

    or this:
    http://www.taitlifto...

    It should be viewed as a step in the right direction.

    Personally, I’d like to see the Stars with home greens, road whites, and the black as an alt (if you absolutely HAVE to have it).[/quote]

    I always liked the green jerseys with the star cutout design, I thought it was unique, and any team adopting green (an underused color in professional sports in my opinion) is a good thing.

    What they should have done is design a Northstars throwback, those were really sweet.

  • Johnny F. | December 20, 2008 at 3:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”306626″][quote comment=”306624″]Why are all the comments tearing apart the design of the alts EXCEPT the Stars, where it’s being defended?[/quote]

    I dislike the new Stars jersey. On my own personal voting card, I had them in at #15, just ahead of the Senators, and just behind the Lightning.

    Personally, they created a road jersey – something that should have been done over a year ago. Thanks for playing catch-up, Stars.[/quote]

    Personally, I had the Stars 3rds # 12 out 19. I think they aren’t being attacked as frequently as the others, b/c they aren’t really that offensive. Simple,yes. Boring? Maybe. Should this jersey have already existed? Probably. But they are definitely less polarizing than some of the hideous ones (Atlanta, Carolina), and less discussion-worthy than some of the interesting/good ones to be discussed tomorrow. Also, with some of the garbage Stars alts in years past…. I suppose an upgrade is an upgrade.

    Whip cream on shit, anyone?

  • Johnny F. | December 20, 2008 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”306630″][quote comment=”306598″][quote comment=”306593″][quote comment=”306592″]It’s too bad most judgments passed on uniforms are done by 14 year old boys. That’s why the Broncos and Bucs usually lead in kewl points. And why something as simple and nice as the Dallas Stars’ white jersey is rated far too low. Sorry it doesn’t have 3d numbers and multicolored paneling or over-striping.[/quote]

    Or how it is a replica of their home jersey, making it a perfect road jersey rather than an alternate.

    Or how the Stars have a rich history of uniform options.

    Or how their current road jersey would be better served as an alternate.

    Or how they could be mistaken for the University of Dallas.[/quote]

    Considerding this: http://nhl.imageg.ne...

    or this:
    http://www.taitlifto...

    It should be viewed as a step in the right direction.

    Personally, I’d like to see the Stars with home greens, road whites, and the black as an alt (if you absolutely HAVE to have it).[/quote]

    I always liked the green jerseys with the star cutout design, I thought it was unique, and any team adopting green (an underused color in professional sports in my opinion) is a good thing.

    What they should have done is design a Northstars throwback, those were really sweet.[/quote]

    Yea, Jim, the NStars throwbacks are cool. Same goes for green jerseys. I could see a nice, green jersey with in a classic Minny NStar style that would be wonderful.

    Anyone on here know what the Dallas Stars’ limits are, regarding likeness to the Minny NStars jerseys/logos? Is there contractual limits, like the Hartford/Carolina scenario?

  • Apar | December 20, 2008 at 3:26 pm |

    While I completely and totally disagree with the rankings (seriously, that Sabres jersey is like your wife wearing a translucent mask of her own features-close but wrong and evil), I am thankful to all of those who took part in pulling this together.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 3:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”306632″]
    Yea, Jim, the NStars throwbacks are cool. Same goes for green jerseys. I could see a nice, green jersey with in a classic Minny NStar style that would be wonderful.

    Anyone on here know what the Dallas Stars’ limits are, regarding likeness to the Minny NStars jerseys/logos? Is there contractual limits, like the Hartford/Carolina scenario?[/quote]

    No limit, from what I understand, as Tom Hicks bought and moved the franchise.

    I think a lot of Minnesota fans would be angered if Hicks decided to use the North Stars’ look in Dallas, though. There’s still a soft spot for the North Stars in Minny from what I understand.

  • asufanwithbagoverhead | December 20, 2008 at 3:43 pm |

    Fresno State going BLOB (bowl logo on back) in the New Mexico Bowl.
    no pics though

  • Tim | December 20, 2008 at 3:46 pm |

    haven’t been able to check this site regularly since I’ve been in Europe, but I was sent this and thought it was pretty awesome

    Casey at the Bat done entirely on old baseball cards. The Billy Ripken card even makes an appearance:

    http://baseballcardb...

  • Ryan B | December 20, 2008 at 4:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”306634″][quote comment=”306632″]
    Yea, Jim, the NStars throwbacks are cool. Same goes for green jerseys. I could see a nice, green jersey with in a classic Minny NStar style that would be wonderful.

    Anyone on here know what the Dallas Stars’ limits are, regarding likeness to the Minny NStars jerseys/logos? Is there contractual limits, like the Hartford/Carolina scenario?[/quote]

    No limit, from what I understand, as Tom Hicks bought and moved the franchise.

    I think a lot of Minnesota fans would be angered if Hicks decided to use the North Stars’ look in Dallas, though. There’s still a soft spot for the North Stars in Minny from what I understand.[/quote]

    I thought it was Norm Green that moved the Stars from Minnesota.

  • Ricko | December 20, 2008 at 4:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”306637″][quote comment=”306634″][quote comment=”306632″]
    Yea, Jim, the NStars throwbacks are cool. Same goes for green jerseys. I could see a nice, green jersey with in a classic Minny NStar style that would be wonderful.

    Anyone on here know what the Dallas Stars’ limits are, regarding likeness to the Minny NStars jerseys/logos? Is there contractual limits, like the Hartford/Carolina scenario?[/quote]

    No limit, from what I understand, as Tom Hicks bought and moved the franchise.

    I think a lot of Minnesota fans would be angered if Hicks decided to use the North Stars’ look in Dallas, though. There’s still a soft spot for the North Stars in Minny from what I understand.[/quote]

    I thought it was Norm Green that moved the Stars from Minnesota.[/quote]

    And don’t think for a second that hockey fans here have forgotten that. Dallas Stars going with a North Stars uni would pick at a major scab. Just as likely the Wild going with a Stars look would have the same effect. I think the NHL is, wisely, just deciding to not go there, one way or another.

    —Ricko

  • Bob Andrews | December 20, 2008 at 4:20 pm |

    I always say “The Bills have the worst uni in history” but when I’m reminded of the LA ‘Burger King’ sweater I realize that nothing can possibly touch that for ugliness. Nothing. Not the Bills, the mis-matched Wizards, the Blues’ horn sweater. Not even the worst Oregon combo (pick yours here). Nothing. Some of today’s alts are dull, a few are ugly but the ‘Burger King’ sweater set a bar so high that it can only be approached, never exceeded.

    Great entry today, btw. Makes my Hockey Wing stool a little more comfy.

  • LI Phil | December 20, 2008 at 4:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”306623″][quote comment=”306619″]Bring back Bryan. This is a lame entry.[/quote]

    So when Bryan devoted his weekends to sports other than baseball and football, you were paying attention, right? Because I’m pretty sure he did.

    Let’s see here. So far, Phil’s list of weekend entries has been the following:

    – the Miracle at Meadowlands
    – LPGA golf and Annika Sorenstam
    – Bronko Nagurski and his impact on football
    – the Preston Rivulettes hockey team
    – color vs. color in the NCAA
    – Army vs. Navy and a breakdown of their uniforms
    – the “Greatest Game Ever Played”
    – baseball uniforms from the early 1900s
    – NHL alternate uniforms

    Thanks for stopping by. As much as I respect Bryan’s work, Phil is certainly holding his own.[/quote]

    hey! don’t forget my first uniform and women’s field hockey

    and to the person who didn’t like today’s entry, if there is a topic which you’d like me to cover, you can reach me at: phecken(at)yahoo(dot)com

    and bryan did a great job, yes…he was underappreciated and unfairly raved upon, imho…we all owe him a tremendous amount of gratitude (and vinny too)

  • BuckeyeMark | December 20, 2008 at 4:28 pm |

    major uni stuff going on in the Texas 5A state championship game. Wylie High School’s QB has all kinds of wrinkles in his big W sticker on his helmet (you can’t get his helmet sticker on right for the championship game?). Wylie also wears the word AHMO on the front of their jerseys instead of “Wylie.” AHMO is a word like “mojo” – basically is their cheer. UIL officials wearing hats with a huge UIL logo on them (and a swoosh of course).

    can’t do screen grabs but it’s on Fox Sports Southwest and assorted affiliates right now.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 4:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”306637″][quote comment=”306634″][quote comment=”306632″]
    Yea, Jim, the NStars throwbacks are cool. Same goes for green jerseys. I could see a nice, green jersey with in a classic Minny NStar style that would be wonderful.

    Anyone on here know what the Dallas Stars’ limits are, regarding likeness to the Minny NStars jerseys/logos? Is there contractual limits, like the Hartford/Carolina scenario?[/quote]

    No limit, from what I understand, as Tom Hicks bought and moved the franchise.

    I think a lot of Minnesota fans would be angered if Hicks decided to use the North Stars’ look in Dallas, though. There’s still a soft spot for the North Stars in Minny from what I understand.[/quote]

    I thought it was Norm Green that moved the Stars from Minnesota.[/quote]

    Good call, Ryan. I got a little ahead of myself there.

  • mike 2 | December 20, 2008 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”306627″]classic throwbies I’d like to see in the NHL:

    Bruins wearing some form of brown that they wore in the 20’s & early 30’s.

    Jackets saluting the old AHL monaculed Cleveland Baron logo.

    Red Wings generic whites that they wore from the 30’s thru the mid-50’s.

    Oilers in their original Alberta Oilers get up from the WHA.

    Kings in the all yellow from head to ankle.

    Rangers in those mid-70’s contraptions.

    The Pens wearing the original mid-20’s Pirates NHL yellow jersey.

    Blues with the mid-80’s arched “BLUES” over the small blue note

    The Leafs sporting any variation of the St. Pats sweaters from the 20’s.

    …among others[/quote]

    The Leafs did a St. Pats throwback a few years ago – brown pants and all. It was interesting to look at, not sure how it would look full-time

    http://www.jamd.com/...

    Great post btw – certainly a lot to think about.

  • Zach R. | December 20, 2008 at 4:40 pm |

    Just started watching the MagicJack St. Petersburg Bowl…South Florida came out for warmups in Gold Helmets and Switched to White Helmets for the game..no caps but i like the helmets

  • Zach R. | December 20, 2008 at 4:42 pm |

    Watching the St. Petersburg Bowl right now…South Florida warmed up in Gold helmets and made the switch to White Helmets for the game…no caps sorry

  • Beardface | December 20, 2008 at 4:43 pm |

    Wow… the analysis of the Carolina Hurricanes is wrong and/or ignorant and stupid in so many ways.

    Why the triangle? Because they are located near the Research Triangle Park of NC. The biggest research center on the east coast.

    Why the one flag? In some areas, namely North Carolina, where the team plays, the single flag declares Hurricane Watch. Double flags mean Hurricane Warning. Also, the double-flag look would look stupid as a hockey logo.

    As for using the Whalers. Yea, would be nice, but the city of Hartford owns ALL Whalers logos. The Canes are not permitted to use it.

    For a self-proclaimed hockey guru that Teebz is, he sure is dumb as shit when he comes out and rants like this without knowing what the fuck he’s talking about.

  • LI Phil | December 20, 2008 at 4:46 pm |

    [quote]For a self-proclaimed hockey guru that Teebz is, he sure is dumb as shit when he comes out and rants like this without knowing what the fuck he’s talking about.[/quote]

    lets keep this civil, shall we?

    you’re more than entitled to your opinion, and we welcome it, but one more post like that and it will be your last, k?

  • MPowers1634 | December 20, 2008 at 4:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”306639″]I always say “The Bills have the worst uni in history” but when I’m reminded of the LA ‘Burger King’ sweater I realize that nothing can possibly touch that for ugliness. Nothing. Not the Bills, the mis-matched Wizards, the Blues’ horn sweater. Not even the worst Oregon combo (pick yours here). Nothing. Some of today’s alts are dull, a few are ugly but the ‘Burger King’ sweater set a bar so high that it can only be approached, never exceeded.

    Great entry today, btw. Makes my Hockey Wing stool a little more comfy.[/quote]

    It would be more comfy, if you’d turn it over and get Teebz, Jim, and Phil off of the other legs!

  • MPowers1634 | December 20, 2008 at 5:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”306600″][quote comment=\”306599\”]
    So, if it’s all the same, you canucks can keep your f’ing snow and ice.

    Continue…[/quote]

    Or you could move to, say, Florida? LOL

    I’m not breaking your balls, per se. I’m just pointing out that we all have our likes and dislikes. I do read and click on the links in your articles just so I know what you’re talking about.

    Besides, Nike introduced a pile of skate options and some new technology in skates as well. That’s footwear. :o)[/quote]

    Hey, I’m making progress…the other night I asked the Hockey Wing about possibly buying tickets to a Rangers-Habs game!

  • Ricko | December 20, 2008 at 5:12 pm |

    Hey, Teebz….check your email.

    —Ricko

  • Johnny F. | December 20, 2008 at 5:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”306646″]Wow… the analysis of the Carolina Hurricanes is wrong and/or ignorant and stupid in so many ways.

    Why the triangle? Because they are located near the Research Triangle Park of NC. The biggest research center on the east coast.

    Why the one flag? In some areas, namely North Carolina, where the team plays, the single flag declares Hurricane Watch. Double flags mean Hurricane Warning. Also, the double-flag look would look stupid as a hockey logo.

    As for using the Whalers. Yea, would be nice, but the city of Hartford owns ALL Whalers logos. The Canes are not permitted to use it.

    For a self-proclaimed hockey guru that Teebz is, he sure is dumb as shit when he comes out and rants like this without knowing what the fuck he’s talking about.[/quote]

    It’d be easier to take Beardface serious, if he wasn’t defending the damn ugliest jersey in hockey (although, Uniwatch wouldn’t be anywhere near what it is, without imput from ALL readers…so Thanks for the input!).

    Personally, I could care less what the triangle means… it looks stupid (and I wonder if there’s some corporate ties to its inclusion). Aesthetically,it looks awful. And the irony of what a “hurricane watch” flag means, when related to a hockey jersey, is funny. “Oh no…I see the hurricane watch flag…that means in 36 hours, we might experience hurricane conditions”. Intimidating. Also, Mr. Beard, can you explain the asinine silver flags across the bottom? Or the bird shit-loking hurricane swirls on the shoulders? Or their need to jump on the “black jersey” bandwagon?

    In closing, Teebz kicks ass. Just wanted to add that.

  • Ricko | December 20, 2008 at 5:29 pm |

    Might also want to check whether it was Teebz who made a comment or whether he was quoting remarks from the UW poll.

  • Kevin Z. | December 20, 2008 at 5:35 pm |

    It’s hard to take the third jersey ranking seriously when the Thrashers aren’t the worst in the list. Those jerseys are abysmal and in the running for worst NHL uniforms ever. I don’t understand why there is so much hatred for black uniforms on Uni Watch. I agree that True Mets are Blue Mets, but black has always been a Sharks color and those original black unis have always been one of my favorite recent hockey jerseys. What color should the thirds have been if not black? And what other logo would have gone on the front? When the Sharks redesigned their logos with Rbk Edge, they included like 4 logos so creating a new one just for the third jersey — like the Coyotes did — would have made no sense for SJ. The leaping shark made sense as a way to get a different logo on a Sharks sweater.

  • Johnny F. | December 20, 2008 at 5:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”306652″]Might also want to check whether it was Teebz who made a comment or whether he was quoting remarks from the UW poll.[/quote]

    Yep- he was definitely attacking at least one part of something I said, not Teebz.

  • Johnny F. | December 20, 2008 at 5:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”306653″]It’s hard to take the third jersey ranking seriously when the Thrashers aren’t the worst in the list. Those jerseys are abysmal and in the running for worst NHL uniforms ever. I don’t understand why there is so much hatred for black uniforms on Uni Watch. I agree that True Mets are Blue Mets, but black has always been a Sharks color and those original black unis have always been one of my favorite recent hockey jerseys. What color should the thirds have been if not black? And what other logo would have gone on the front? When the Sharks redesigned their logos with Rbk Edge, they included like 4 logos so creating a new one just for the third jersey — like the Coyotes did — would have made no sense for SJ. The leaping shark made sense as a way to get a different logo on a Sharks sweater.[/quote]

    I agree with you a bit, in regard to the Sharks uni. I had it listed at #13 out of 19 (and for that matter, I had the Coyotes at #16 out of 19). So, I see your points there. The “black armour” jerseys got a tougher rating here, than the average sports fan crowd, b/c UniWatchers were all over the Seagate promotion story…which pissed a bunch of us off. Couple that with the all-black,and the mob-mentality kicked in and dropped that jersey to last. I think it was a combination of those things, more than purely aesthetics, that dropped the Sharks jersey to the bottom (fair or not…but hey, rankings are made to debate!). Personally, I think the logo itself is fine…maybe even pretty good..but it’s everything else around it. For me, the Hurricanes, Thrashers, Sens, Coyotes, Kings and Lightning were all worse.

  • Jamie | December 20, 2008 at 6:02 pm |

    I really like South Florida’s white helmets/pants. Awesome.

  • jon | December 20, 2008 at 6:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”306570″][quote comment=”306569″]Yes, I get the whole having a black alternate is bad, but at least the teams that have introduced them recently already had black as part of their color scheme.

    Then again, we know that everything made after about 1965 is bad, so what other review could be expected of any of the new thirds?[/quote]

    Why is 1965 a banner year? There were only six teams to speak of at that time, none of which had a primary colour of black.

    1967 introduced a variety of colours to the NHL spectrum. The same can be said for the 1979 WHA-NHL merge. If you’ll notice, most of the voters wanted returns to the 1960-1980 jerseys.[/quote]

    i dont think that quote was specifically for hockey, i think it was about the mob mentality of this site. it seems like if it was desinged after 1965, everyone here hates it because “its not traditional.” i get sick of seeing every new jersey in any sport thats not a throwback get slammed when i read this. i read the site to see whats new in the uniform world, but it seems like whenever there is something new, it gets marked here as bad. also, it seems like anything that has any hint of a corporate tie gets tagged as evil, which, im sorry, is bullshit. since when is sponsoring a uniform set (that does not include any sort of logo of the company, may i add) a horrible thing to do? i would be as angry as the rest of you if ads actually did appear on uniforms, but if they dont appear on it i can just ignore the corporate tie-in and move on. and i know all im gonna see in response to this is “well if you dont like it, read somewhere else.” but like i said, i read to find out about new uniforms months before i normally would. and whenever i express an opinion about any modern jersey i have like nine people telling me im out of my fucking mind just because it doesnt look retro or “traditional.” in my opinion, “traditional” tends to look great, but it has its place. i certainly dont want to see every college football team look like alabama or penn state. that would suck. but i also wouldnt want them all to look like oregon. that would suck too.

  • BurghFan | December 20, 2008 at 6:09 pm |

    Man some of those designs are SO bad – especially the “Bolts” and the “Sens” – but I’m not sure it’s fair to criticize Ottawa for going with an edgy design when they could have done something retro, and then criticizing the way that the Sabres tried to do something retro.

    The criticism is that the Sabres took a perfectly good throwback and added extra colors and stripes. Even then, it still ranked 11th. It’s no coincidence that most of tomorrow’s entries will be throwbacks.

  • something is on my shoe | December 20, 2008 at 6:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”306656″]I really like South Florida’s white helmets/pants. Awesome.[/quote]

    Huge upgrade.

  • Ian | December 20, 2008 at 6:13 pm |

    At least we don’t have to see this excuse for a logo anymore: http://i171.photobuc...

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 6:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”306657″][quote comment=”306570″][quote comment=”306569″]Yes, I get the whole having a black alternate is bad, but at least the teams that have introduced them recently already had black as part of their color scheme.

    Then again, we know that everything made after about 1965 is bad, so what other review could be expected of any of the new thirds?[/quote]

    Why is 1965 a banner year? There were only six teams to speak of at that time, none of which had a primary colour of black.

    1967 introduced a variety of colours to the NHL spectrum. The same can be said for the 1979 WHA-NHL merge. If you’ll notice, most of the voters wanted returns to the 1960-1980 jerseys.[/quote]

    i dont think that quote was specifically for hockey, i think it was about the mob mentality of this site. it seems like if it was desinged after 1965, everyone here hates it because “its not traditional.” i get sick of seeing every new jersey in any sport thats not a throwback get slammed when i read this. i read the site to see whats new in the uniform world, but it seems like whenever there is something new, it gets marked here as bad. also, it seems like anything that has any hint of a corporate tie gets tagged as evil, which, im sorry, is bullshit. since when is sponsoring a uniform set (that does not include any sort of logo of the company, may i add) a horrible thing to do? i would be as angry as the rest of you if ads actually did appear on uniforms, but if they dont appear on it i can just ignore the corporate tie-in and move on. and i know all im gonna see in response to this is “well if you dont like it, read somewhere else.” but like i said, i read to find out about new uniforms months before i normally would. and whenever i express an opinion about any modern jersey i have like nine people telling me im out of my fucking mind just because it doesnt look retro or “traditional.” in my opinion, “traditional” tends to look great, but it has its place. i certainly dont want to see every college football team look like alabama or penn state. that would suck. but i also wouldnt want them all to look like oregon. that would suck too.[/quote]

    I was just interested in why 1965 was picked. You have a point, and you presented it well, Jon. No problem with that whatsoever. :o)

    Again, it’s all about individual tastes and likes/dislikes. One voter ranked St. Louis first, while another had St. Louis down around the 11 or 12 spot.

    That’s what makes this discussion so good – we all have opinions. Some just go about expressing them like they’re logging onto Uni Watch from prison.

  • JTH | December 20, 2008 at 6:22 pm |

    I think I’ve come around on the whole “Black Armor” thing. At first I thought it was a travesty, but now I really don’t care. It certainly doesn’t affect my opinion of the sweater one bit.

    Really, the more I think about it, it’s less offensive than watching the “Southwest Airlines Home Run Replay” or the “Call to the Pen, brought to you by Verizon Wireless” in every baseball game.

    A couple weeks back, I posted a comment with my rankings of the third jerseys and I put the Sharks in the lower-middle tier. I’m sticking with that assessment.

  • jon | December 20, 2008 at 6:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”306661″][quote comment=”306657″][quote comment=”306570″][quote comment=”306569″]Yes, I get the whole having a black alternate is bad, but at least the teams that have introduced them recently already had black as part of their color scheme.

    Then again, we know that everything made after about 1965 is bad, so what other review could be expected of any of the new thirds?[/quote]

    Why is 1965 a banner year? There were only six teams to speak of at that time, none of which had a primary colour of black.

    1967 introduced a variety of colours to the NHL spectrum. The same can be said for the 1979 WHA-NHL merge. If you’ll notice, most of the voters wanted returns to the 1960-1980 jerseys.[/quote]

    i dont think that quote was specifically for hockey, i think it was about the mob mentality of this site. it seems like if it was desinged after 1965, everyone here hates it because “its not traditional.” i get sick of seeing every new jersey in any sport thats not a throwback get slammed when i read this. i read the site to see whats new in the uniform world, but it seems like whenever there is something new, it gets marked here as bad. also, it seems like anything that has any hint of a corporate tie gets tagged as evil, which, im sorry, is bullshit. since when is sponsoring a uniform set (that does not include any sort of logo of the company, may i add) a horrible thing to do? i would be as angry as the rest of you if ads actually did appear on uniforms, but if they dont appear on it i can just ignore the corporate tie-in and move on. and i know all im gonna see in response to this is “well if you dont like it, read somewhere else.” but like i said, i read to find out about new uniforms months before i normally would. and whenever i express an opinion about any modern jersey i have like nine people telling me im out of my fucking mind just because it doesnt look retro or “traditional.” in my opinion, “traditional” tends to look great, but it has its place. i certainly dont want to see every college football team look like alabama or penn state. that would suck. but i also wouldnt want them all to look like oregon. that would suck too.[/quote]

    I was just interested in why 1965 was picked. You have a point, and you presented it well, Jon. No problem with that whatsoever. :o)

    Again, it’s all about individual tastes and likes/dislikes. One voter ranked St. Louis first, while another had St. Louis down around the 11 or 12 spot.

    That’s what makes this discussion so good – we all have opinions. Some just go about expressing them like they’re logging onto Uni Watch from prison.[/quote]

    thank you teebz. i feel a lot more welcome. i really appreciate it. props to you and phil for the article. i may not agree with everything but it was well done. from another hockey guy and former player, thanks.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 6:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”306649″]
    Hey, I’m making progress…the other night I asked the Hockey Wing about possibly buying tickets to a Rangers-Habs game![/quote]

    Did you buy in for the game, Matt? I really hope you did. MSG is one of the meccas in the hockey world, and seeing those two legendary teams is like a dream come true for this kid.

  • Scott | December 20, 2008 at 6:30 pm |

    Yeah, South Florida went with a retro look to harken back to their “old” days …oh yeah, there ARE NO old days for USF. They’re what, 10 yrs. old as a football program?

    PS – Dude, Johnny F, how many times do we have to post the reason behind the triangle? No, there’s no corporate tie to it, it’s the name of the region! (see post #4) Pay attention, ha!

  • Johnny F. | December 20, 2008 at 6:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”306664″][quote comment=”306649″]
    Hey, I’m making progress…the other night I asked the Hockey Wing about possibly buying tickets to a Rangers-Habs game![/quote]

    Did you buy in for the game, Matt? I really hope you did. MSG is one of the meccas in the hockey world, and seeing those two legendary teams is like a dream come true for this kid.[/quote]

    It really is. And as hockey guys stuck in the northeast, it’s also really worth taking the trip to see a Habs game in Montreal. A few years ago, I saw Habs-Rangers in Montreal (same weekend as a Montreal Rolling Stones Concert @ the Bell Centre), and it was an AWESOME experience. I stayed in the Marriott Chateau Champlain (4 or 5 star) with a couple buddies, for about $39/night (same hotel the Stones stayed in…2 mins from the Bell Centre). About a 6-hour drive, without rushing, from where I am. Lodging up there, this time of year is good and cheap as well, just bring your warmest winter parka. It’s neat being in a place that lives, breathes, and has so much respect for hockey.

  • Scott W. | December 20, 2008 at 6:38 pm |

    First of all, I love the post, and all the effort that went into it

    Secondly… Sharks behind the Thrashers? Wow. Those atlanta unis are the worst thing to happen to the city since General Sherman. The sharks jersey doesn’t actually say anything about blackarmor or seagate ON the uniform, so what exactly are we ranking here? uniforms? …hardly

    Here’s a theory: if you polled ONLY the team’s fans about the uniforms, and asked, “Do you LOVE the new uniforms?”, the percentage of sharks fans to say yes would be a lot higher than other teams. For example, I bet if you polled Dallas, TB, or Atlanta, the percentage would be about 20% lower than that of sharks fans.

    I know that has absolutely nothing to do with this ranking, haha, because it’s an unbiased outlook on the APPEARANCE of the jersey, not a fan popularity contest (although that’s the point of alternate jerseys, isn’t it? hm…), but i think it’d be an interesting way of ranking the jerseys

  • Johnny F. | December 20, 2008 at 6:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”306665″]Yeah, South Florida went with a retro look to harken back to their “old” days …oh yeah, there ARE NO old days for USF. They’re what, 10 yrs. old as a football program?

    PS – Dude, Johnny F, how many times do we have to post the reason behind the triangle? No, there’s no corporate tie to it, it’s the name of the region! (see post #4) Pay attention, ha![/quote]

    Shit, man! Looooong day for me. Thanks for putting it nicely, Scotty!

  • swilson160 | December 20, 2008 at 6:39 pm |

    1. Those white USF helmets look nice, better than the gold ones. I would replace the single green stripe with a green/gold/green triple stripe and then put a similar green/gold/green stripe on the white pants as well. Also, the helmet number on the back should be in their custom font (and in green with white and gold outlines) instead of solid green varsity block. Otherwise, beautiful.

    2. The turf at the Trop looks really odd anyway, but even stranger for a football game–it looks like they got a light dusting of snow on most of the field.

    3. Good job on the hockey piece, Teebz. I don’t agree with everything, but having the info collected and analyzed is nice and a great source for debate (even if some fourth-grade “contributors” on here treat you criticizing a jersey like you insulted their mother).

    4. No offense to Bryan, but I’ll take LI Phil’s substantive, thoughtful weekend posts over Bryan’s photos of crying kids and snarky one-liners any day.

    5. I would like the San Jose External Hard Drives’ jerseys just fine if it weren’t for the sponsorship element. Most black alts are either black versions of the home jersey or have much unnecessary piping–the simple near-solid black looks different and makes an impression. But the fact that they were designed this way to make the players look like one of these on skates is just ridiculous–the sleeve and leg stripes even seem designed to mimic the teal status lights on the drive.

    6. I’ll say one thing nice about the otherwise-disasters that are the Thrashers’ jerseys. I like the idea behind the large white portion of each sleeve–reminds me a bit of the old New York Jets’ uniforms (back when football uniforms had long sleeves). I’d like to see someone else crib that design element and use it for good instead of evil.

    7. Other jersey thoughts…

    Hurricanes: I like the gray and the shoulder logo treatment; it makes me think of storm clouds.

    Senators: The use of nickname is bad enough, but their treatment of the nickname is bush league. They could have gone diagonal with “Senators” in their standard script and it would have been pretty cool.

    Coyotes: I like the contrast of the brick helmets and pants with the black jersey–it gives this a different look than other black jerseys–but they didn’t need to use black. I would have liked to see a sand alt with brick shoulder yokes, helmets and pants.

    Lightning: Blue is good. “Bolts” is not. I like the idea of just a lightning bolt, or the Florida logo. Also, couldn’t the Lightning get away with a dark silver/gray jersey? That (with blue as a secondary color and black and white as accents) would be cool and different.

    Stars: Boring. I can’t imagine buying one of those–it looks like a baggy long-sleeved t-shirt. I liked the Star design, and with green and gold there are so many more visually engaging things they could do with it, and using the star as a design element.

    Kings: Grew up in Gretzky’s LA, so I love the black and silver. Too much piping, though, and I don’t like the logo. Add more silver (including flipping the number colors), kill some piping, and try updating the old Kings’ logo with the current fonts and crown.

    Sabres: No problem with the old logo in the new colors–I like the navy and yellow. Lose a bit of piping and the front numbers, but otherwise good.

    Bruins: I just don’t like that logo, even if it is classic. Not sure where to go with the Bruins, but a yellow version of the current jersey wouldn’t hurt.

    8. Boo, Seattle snowstorms. This city is comically unprepared for this kind of weather. Sorry for the long post, but I am marooned at home (crappy FWD Saturn coupe w/o chains + apartment at bottom of icy hill = long UniWatch missives) and have nothing else to do.

  • Scott W. | December 20, 2008 at 6:39 pm |

    and this ranking is supposed to be unbiased, and i am a sharks fan… but i’m just throwin in my two cents

  • JTH | December 20, 2008 at 6:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”306625″][quote comment=”306620″]I’m a fourth generation native Floridian who believes that the winter is just some fairy tale parents tell their kids about to keep them from traveling to far from home so excuse my ignorance on the subject of hockey, but why the tape around the leg warmers? I assume it’s there to keep them up but couldn’t this work with something internal like elastic or velcro?[/quote]

    The tape secures the shin pads underneath the sock. When the socks move, the shin pads move underneath as well, so the tape is used to hold the shin pad and sock in place.

    If there was velcro on the inside of the sock, there’s a good chance the shinpad will move if the sock moves.

    It’s like when players in baseball use elastics to hold their socks up when they go for the short pants look – the socks stay where they are because they are secured much better.[/quote]
    Another good reason for tape: when the socks
    A) are hand-me-downs from an older kid
    B) have elastic that’s pretty much dead
    Tape’s pretty much the only way they’re staying up at all.

  • Mark K | December 20, 2008 at 6:45 pm |

    Teebz- nice job with the rankings. I didn’t send anything in because, well… I was lazy.

    Since there’s so much Stars talk, I always thought that since they dropped the “North” from their name when they were still in MN that maybe they should’ve changed their name to the Dallas Lone Stars after they moved. Maybe go with a Texas flag type design in red-white-blue.

    ok- that’s what I’ll do if I ever buy them.

  • JTH | December 20, 2008 at 6:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”306671″]A) are hand-me-downs from an older kid[/quote]
    I meant a kid who was older when he was using them. Obviously, hand-me-down socks would come from an older kid.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 6:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”306646″]
    For a self-proclaimed hockey guru that Teebz is, he sure is a great guy when it comes to acknowledging that I, Beardface, have an opinion like everyone else. If only I were more mature than looking like a four year-old throwing a tantrum, I might have been included in the discussion regarding the alternate jerseys rather than being left at the end of the bench to wallow in my hatred of him.[/quote]

    Beardface, you have every right to defend the Hurricanes’ alternate jersey. If you like it, good for you. The fact of the matter is that of the dozen people who voted, Carolina was waaayyyy down on the list. I didn’t put them there, Phil didn’t put them there. If you have a problem with the way the votes ended up, I can’t change that. That’s how it played out.

    In terms of your personal attacks on me, grow up. I also took the liberty of fixing your incorrect and largely misconstrued statement of hatred for me.

    You’re welcome.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 6:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”306667″]First of all, I love the post, and all the effort that went into it

    Secondly… Sharks behind the Thrashers? Wow. Those atlanta unis are the worst thing to happen to the city since General Sherman. The sharks jersey doesn’t actually say anything about blackarmor or seagate ON the uniform, so what exactly are we ranking here? uniforms? …hardly

    Here’s a theory: if you polled ONLY the team’s fans about the uniforms, and asked, “Do you LOVE the new uniforms?”, the percentage of sharks fans to say yes would be a lot higher than other teams. For example, I bet if you polled Dallas, TB, or Atlanta, the percentage would be about 20% lower than that of sharks fans.

    I know that has absolutely nothing to do with this ranking, haha, because it’s an unbiased outlook on the APPEARANCE of the jersey, not a fan popularity contest (although that’s the point of alternate jerseys, isn’t it? hm…), but i think it’d be an interesting way of ranking the jerseys[/quote]

    Well said, Scott. Excellent points.

    Again, I don’t have a problem with the jersey being black. I simply think that the Sharks could have called it “a black alternate jersey” without having to sell units for Seagate. Selling out is the epitome of what is wrong with those jerseys.

    I like the logo. It’s says “Sharks” like nothing else does. They just didn’t need Seagate’s marketing team in on this one. Let Seagate sell their own portable hard drives.

    Going back to a previous comment, “most people dont know about that outside of this blog and even fewer care whatsoever” making it a failure of the “is it good or is it stupid” question.

    And that’s what this whole experiment boiled down to – Paul’s eternal question.

  • scott | December 20, 2008 at 6:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”306590″][quote comment=”306582″]Am watching the WakeForest/Navy game, and wondering — isn’t there some NCAA rule about the level of contrast between unis? Both teams have light jerseys & dark pants…[/quote]

    What channel is that on? I’m getting some guys in band uniforms against a team that evidently is playing…well, topless.

    Must the Shirts & Skins Bowl.

    —Ricko

    (Good job on the jersey analysis, LI Phil and Teebz. I won’t comment cuz my grumpy old school mind can’t get past, “Why everybody gotta have an ‘alt’ jersey, anyway?'” Yankees, for example—whose unis eveyone applauds as “classic”—don’t seem to feel the retail compulsion to add an “alt”. I can see a great throwback like the Red Wings, but I suppose if you HAVE no tradition you can always opt for a gimmick. “Our tradition? Shallowness and marketing, can’t you tell?”).[/quote]

    How often have the Yankees worn an alt jersey or throwback in a game? I remember several years ago, when the Tigers were still playing at Tiger Stadium, that the Yankees agreed to wear Negro League uniforms while the Tigers wore Detroit Stars jerseys.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 7:13 pm |

    Alternate on alternate tonight in Pittsburgh.

    Pittsburgh’s baby blue uniforms vs. Toronto’s throwback alternate uniforms.

    This is a visual treat. Thanks, Hockey Night In Canada!

  • something is on my shoe | December 20, 2008 at 7:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”306673″][quote comment=”306671″]A) are hand-me-downs from an older kid[/quote]
    I meant a kid who was older when he was using them. Obviously, hand-me-down socks would come from an older kid.[/quote]

    I wonder why they can’t incorporate all the padding in compression pants’ compartments, kind of like they do in the basketball and football.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 7:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”306677″]Alternate on alternate tonight in Pittsburgh.

    Pittsburgh’s baby blue uniforms vs. Toronto’s throwback alternate uniforms.

    This is a visual treat. Thanks, Hockey Night In Canada![/quote]

    And Marc-Andre Fleury has an incredible new throwback mask on. It’s quite vivid.

  • Mark K | December 20, 2008 at 7:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”306677″]Alternate on alternate tonight in Pittsburgh.

    Pittsburgh’s baby blue uniforms vs. Toronto’s throwback alternate uniforms.

    This is a visual treat. Thanks, Hockey Night In Canada![/quote]

    I’m anticipating Pitt being #1 on the list tomorrow. I’d give it perfect marks if it didn’t have the Bettman bib hem under the bottom stripes.

    So close.

    I’m watching the Habs game- same hem problem with them. Have they ever had a bad uni??

  • JTH | December 20, 2008 at 7:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”306679″][quote comment=”306677″]Alternate on alternate tonight in Pittsburgh.

    Pittsburgh’s baby blue uniforms vs. Toronto’s throwback alternate uniforms.

    This is a visual treat. Thanks, Hockey Night In Canada![/quote]

    And Marc-Andre Fleury has an incredible new throwback mask on. It’s quite vivid.[/quote]
    Thanks for the info — definitely a pleasant visual.

    BTW, those of us south of the border can watch the game on the NHL Network.

  • Ricko | December 20, 2008 at 7:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”306679″][quote comment=”306677″]Alternate on alternate tonight in Pittsburgh.

    Pittsburgh’s baby blue uniforms vs. Toronto’s throwback alternate uniforms.

    This is a visual treat. Thanks, Hockey Night In Canada![/quote]

    And Marc-Andre Fleury has an incredible new throwback mask on. It’s quite vivid.[/quote]

    Oh, sure, THAT game couldn’t be on Versus.

  • BuckeyeMark | December 20, 2008 at 7:29 pm |

    someone else mentioned it – but what’s up with the truf at the Trop? USF and Memphis are playing on a field that looks like it has snow on it — in Florida and in a dome!

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 7:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”306680″]
    I’m watching the Habs game- same hem problem with them. Have they ever had a bad uni??[/quote]

    Not that I’ve seen. The six jerseys they plan on using for their throwback games are about a gorgeous as hockey gets.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 7:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”306684″][quote comment=”306680″]
    I’m watching the Habs game- same hem problem with them. Have they ever had a bad uni??[/quote]

    Not that I’ve seen. The six jerseys they plan on using for their throwback games are about as gorgeous as hockey gets.[/quote]

    Damned typos. ;o)

  • =bg= | December 20, 2008 at 8:07 pm |

    I like the Black Armor idea. The Sharkies are dead-on in the middle of Silicon Valley. They play @ the HP Pavilion (an excellent corporate tie in, no?) aka the Shark Tank. Seagate doesn’t have a logo on the jersey, do they? Of course not. Now THAT would cross the line. Although I bet before too long, cause money talks…I bet we will see some type of non-gear related logo on major sports unis. RKB, swoosh, Adidas- no problem with them. Just like Ford can put a padge on the grille of a Mustang, Nike can brand it’s own shirt. Why not? But the day I see the Golden Arches on the sleeve of an NFL jersey…..

  • =bg= | December 20, 2008 at 8:08 pm |

    PS this is really funny.
    “5. I would like the San Jose External Hard Drives’ jerseys just fine if it weren’t for the sponsorship element”

  • Sutton Smith | December 20, 2008 at 8:17 pm |

    Color on color alert: UD hosting UNC Greensboro. Note the Marian Blue unis on the Flyers. (Just like the treatment Paul hooked up for my membership card!) Beautiful.

  • =bg= | December 20, 2008 at 8:18 pm |

    Cowboys – Ravens here live on the Interwebs:

    http://static.nfl.co...

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 8:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”306686″]I like the Black Armor idea. The Sharkies are dead-on in the middle of Silicon Valley. They play @ the HP Pavilion (an excellent corporate tie in, no?) aka the Shark Tank. Seagate doesn’t have a logo on the jersey, do they? Of course not. Now THAT would cross the line. Although I bet before too long, cause money talks…I bet we will see some type of non-gear related logo on major sports unis. RKB, swoosh, Adidas- no problem with them. Just like Ford can put a padge on the grille of a Mustang, Nike can brand it’s own shirt. Why not? But the day I see the Golden Arches on the sleeve of an NFL jersey…..[/quote]

    The difference is that Ford makes the Mustang. Seagate produces computer equipment, not hockey gear.

    Does Seagate sell Sharks’ merchandise? Probably not.

  • Ryan | December 20, 2008 at 8:21 pm |

    First post here, great to see so much hockey talk round here. its refreshing.
    Lookin forward to tom.

    And just putting this out there for everyone hating/questioning the Canes logo, the wrong or not enough flag arguments, etc.,
    am I the only one who looks at the stick BENDING in the wind and flag flapping and think, the other flag has blown off from severe weather conditions mostly similar to a, y’know, Hurricane?

    I’m by no means a canes fan, but its been my observation since they switched the name and uni’s

  • =bg= | December 20, 2008 at 8:23 pm |

    Cowboys with TX Stadium patch on. PS, this is the first time I watched the NFL.com feed. They cut from the game to show a bunch of interviews. What’s the deal?

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 8:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”306691″]First post here, great to see so much hockey talk round here. its refreshing.
    Lookin forward to tom.

    And just putting this out there for everyone hating/questioning the Canes logo, the wrong or not enough flag arguments, etc.,
    am I the only one who looks at the stick BENDING in the wind and flag flapping and think, the other flag has blown off from severe weather conditions mostly similar to a, y’know, Hurricane?

    I’m by no means a canes fan, but its been my observation since they switched the name and uni’s[/quote]

    Welcome to the site, Ryan! Thanks for “breaking your silence”! Feel free to add more comments whenever!

    As for your theory… highly plausible. It’s a stretch, but it has legs. ;o)

  • JTH | December 20, 2008 at 8:45 pm |

    By the way, Teebz (and Phil and all the other contributors to the post), nice job.

    I also like the way you’re taking such an active role in the comments today.

  • =bg= | December 20, 2008 at 8:49 pm |

    http://img.photobuck...

    TX Stadium logo patch

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 9:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”306694″]By the way, Teebz (and Phil and all the other contributors to the post), nice job.

    I also like the way you’re taking such an active role in the comments today.[/quote]

    I figured that I’d stand and take the bullets. ;o)

    Honestly, what good is it if a contributor runs and hides? I like the conversations, and I will try to defend my views as best as I can.

    As long as there’s a discussion, I’ll contribute. Thanks for being a part of the festivities today, JTH. Great comments all day from everyone!

  • MPowers1634 | December 20, 2008 at 9:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”306664″][quote comment=”306649″]
    Hey, I’m making progress…the other night I asked the Hockey Wing about possibly buying tickets to a Rangers-Habs game![/quote]

    Did you buy in for the game, Matt? I really hope you did. MSG is one of the meccas in the hockey world, and seeing those two legendary teams is like a dream come true for this kid.[/quote]

    It’s a promotion for the hockey team at the school where I teach.

    For 50 bucks, I think I’ll do it!

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 9:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”306698″][quote comment=”306664″][quote comment=”306649″]
    Hey, I’m making progress…the other night I asked the Hockey Wing about possibly buying tickets to a Rangers-Habs game![/quote]

    Did you buy in for the game, Matt? I really hope you did. MSG is one of the meccas in the hockey world, and seeing those two legendary teams is like a dream come true for this kid.[/quote]

    It’s a promotion for the hockey team at the school where I teach.

    For 50 bucks, I think I’ll do it![/quote]

    Right on! You’ll enjoy it. Montreal can move the puck really well, and the Rangers are a decent team.

    If I can find a feed, I’ll look for you in the crowd!

  • Sammy | December 20, 2008 at 9:40 pm |

    The Sharks shouldn’t be so low. They’re not ugly, or anything significantly worse than some of the thirds ahead of them. To me, the branding is no worse than many of the other promotions teams do. Pretty much everything at any sporting even is “presented by” or “brought to you by” whatever. As long as there is no advertisement directly on the uniform, I see no problem with it, except for the slippery slope argument…

    By the way, Phil, Teebz and the editors (lol)…my name is Sammy Barbour, not Sam. Never, ever Sam. Thanks for quoting me!

  • Johnny F. | December 20, 2008 at 9:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”306699″][quote comment=”306698″][quote comment=”306664″][quote comment=”306649″]
    Hey, I’m making progress…the other night I asked the Hockey Wing about possibly buying tickets to a Rangers-Habs game![/quote]

    Did you buy in for the game, Matt? I really hope you did. MSG is one of the meccas in the hockey world, and seeing those two legendary teams is like a dream come true for this kid.[/quote]

    It’s a promotion for the hockey team at the school where I teach.

    For 50 bucks, I think I’ll do it![/quote]

    Right on! You’ll enjoy it. Montreal can move the puck really well, and the Rangers are a decent team.

    If I can find a feed, I’ll look for you in the crowd![/quote]

    Def. 2 of the top-5 in the East, and 2 of the top-10 in the entire NHL. Mix in the fact that it’s an “Original 6″ matchup”,and it’s taking place in Madison Square Garden….I can’t think of a better way to spend a winter evening.

    Well, I can, but that’s not uniwatch appropriate!

  • Abe | December 20, 2008 at 9:48 pm |

    I don’t get the hate for the 90s-00s Bruins alts. I thought they were really nice. It was a good design, no weird fonts or anything, and the bear logo was nice on the front I thought. It was different, which is more than you can say for their new ones. The new ones are just boring.

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 9:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”306700″]The Sharks shouldn’t be so low. They’re not ugly, or anything significantly worse than some of the thirds ahead of them. To me, the branding is no worse than many of the other promotions teams do. Pretty much everything at any sporting even is “presented by” or “brought to you by” whatever. As long as there is no advertisement directly on the uniform, I see no problem with it, except for the slippery slope argument…

    By the way, Phil, Teebz and the editors (lol)…my name is Sammy Barbour, not Sam. Never, ever Sam. Thanks for quoting me![/quote]

    That slippery slope has to start somewhere, and I’d rather not blame the Sharks for that. ;o)

    I made the changes on my site, Sammy, and I’ll make sure Phil updates here. Thanks for the clarification!

  • LI Phil | December 20, 2008 at 9:55 pm |

    [quote]I’ll make sure Phil updates here. Thanks for the clarification![/quote]

    i’ll make the changes for tomorrow’s quotes

    (thanks for pointing that out)

  • Teebz | December 20, 2008 at 10:00 pm |

    As I sit here waiting for my hockey game to begin – which has been pushed back due to the peewee hockey tournament I’m watching – I feel the need to say that this has been a great day of chatter. :o)

  • Jim BC | December 20, 2008 at 10:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”306706″]As I sit here waiting for my hockey game to begin – which has been pushed back due to the peewee hockey tournament I’m watching – I feel the need to say that this has been a great day of chatter. :o)[/quote]
    Agreed – nothing like some hockey talk to get things going. Great job today Teebz.

  • aflfan | December 20, 2008 at 10:35 pm |

    As a long time hockey fan (since the early 70’s) when I was under 10 and I will even admit to rooting for the Red Wings during the Dead Thing 16 win days, I enjoyed today’s column.

    I also remember the 1970’s LA Kings in all yellow.

    http://www.icejersey...

    I remember in high school or college reading an article (I think in The Hockey News) after Burce McNall had taken the Kings over that in doing his research after buying the team that the crown on the front of the old yellow jersies was actually a queen’s crown. Always found that funny.

  • aflfan | December 20, 2008 at 10:37 pm |

    I don’t think I have seen Arizona this season. Is that a regular scheme for them in football? All Red.

  • Johnny F. | December 20, 2008 at 10:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”306703″]I don’t get the hate for the 90s-00s Bruins alts. I thought they were really nice. It was a good design, no weird fonts or anything, and the bear logo was nice on the front I thought. It was different, which is more than you can say for their new ones. The new ones are just boring.[/quote]

    I’m with ya, Abe. I think it’s better than the ranking above as well.

    I had the Bruins #6 out of 19. I love bear logo, and the general design. I thought the only way it would have been better, is if it wasn’t black. Can you imagine that jersey, in the classic “Bruin yellow”? Awesome. Just switch some of the yellow and black, and in my opinion you’d have a great, classic-looking alt.

  • subway | December 20, 2008 at 10:43 pm |

    Wow, what an entry today. I’m sorry I didn’t see UW the day Phil asked us for our list. Just wanted to add my 2 cents on the Thrashers- Its not the worst I’ve ever seen but I’d like them to pick a primary color and stick with it. Plus drop a couple of colors, you don’t need five or six colors on a uni of any sport.

    Teebz-a little while back you asked us who were the two players in the outdoor legends game who didn’t win the Cup. What was the answer?

  • LI Phil | December 20, 2008 at 10:59 pm |

    [quote]Phil, Teebz, thanks for bringing the spotlight onto hockey, even if it’s just for one weekend.[/quote]

    i can assure you it won’t be just one weekend, but it won’t be every weekend…it’s just that in the world of uni watching, the addition of 19 new alternates is pretty huge, no matter what the sport (17 if you discount the pens/sabes did break out almost exact approximations of these sweaters & unis in last year’s winter classic)

    i’ll ask teebz back to help me out with a preview of this year’s winter classic @ wrigley, and we’ll also do an ASG overview…

    but i want to try to tackle as many sports unis as possible, and i welcome any and everyone’s input…so if there’s a sport you feel just doesn’t get the coverage it deserves (*coughsoccercough*), let me know and i’ll be happy to more fully explore it

  • Jim Sherbert | December 20, 2008 at 11:19 pm |

    Thanks for doing a hockey spot. In my opinion, hockey is THE sport for UniWatching.

    But… (there’s always a but, isn’t there?), I’m absolutely flummoxed at the criticism of the Bruins jersey. I have my problems with UniWatch from time to time, and they stem from the lemming-like nature of its followers, sadly. A long time ago, UniWatch threw down the gauntlet against black alternates, the color purple, and yes, Nike. That’s one man’s (Paul) opinion, but for Pete’s sake people, let’s have an ounce of original thought. I’m not even a Bruins fan, but that jersey is absolutely gorgeous. It’s distinct, crisp, the yellow jumps out at you, and the team just looks plain good in them. Shouldn’t we judge uniforms on their own merit, not on what we think “should have been”? Taken on its own, that Bruins jersey is perfect.

    Of course, guessing at the rest of the rankings, and reading through these comments, it seems that the throwbacks rule the day. Eh… nostalgia is fine, but not nostalgia for the sake of nostalgia.

    Oh well, as usual, I’ll keep reading!

  • Jim Sherbert | December 20, 2008 at 11:22 pm |

    And not to pile on, but that mock-up would have been mock-ed by all. Oy… I can only imagine the hubbub.

  • Andrew Merritt | December 20, 2008 at 11:42 pm |

    Just wanted to thank Phil and teebz for this whole deal, and for including my thoughts on a few. Thankfully, someone already stood up for me, but for the record, I’m fully aware of what the Kings looked like before they went to silver and black. They’ve still sucked ever since they ditched silver and black. There is no mutual exclusivity here.

    Oh, and the Hurricanes’ triangle is stupid. I don’t care if it DOES have a meaning and back story. It’s stupid looking, and that’s the point of this whole exercise.

  • Johnny F. | December 21, 2008 at 12:03 am |

    [quote comment=”306716″]Just wanted to thank Phil and teebz for this whole deal, and for including my thoughts on a few. Thankfully, someone already stood up for me, but for the record, I’m fully aware of what the Kings looked like before they went to silver and black. They’ve still sucked ever since they ditched silver and black. There is no mutual exclusivity here.

    Oh, and the Hurricanes’ triangle is stupid. I don’t care if it DOES have a meaning and back story. It’s stupid looking, and that’s the point of this whole exercise.[/quote]

    Me and you, sir, see eye to eye.

    I would just like to say that this is my last post of the evening…. thanks to everyone for a wonderful discussion. Also, thanks to Phil & Teebz, for allowing some of my quotes to accompany your genius on the main entry today.

    Can’t wait for tomorrow’s!

  • Paul Barrett | December 21, 2008 at 12:06 am |

    please tell me someone got the screen grab of Baltimore’s two “McClain” NOB’s!?!?!? The McClain of the Le’Ron variety had a c that was a normal script and the McClain of the Jameel variety had a superscript c.

  • Paul Barrett | December 21, 2008 at 12:11 am |

    [quote comment=”306719″]please tell me someone got the screen grab of Baltimore’s two “McClain” NOB’s!?!?!? The McClain of the Le’Ron variety had a c that was a normal script and the McClain of the Jameel variety had a superscript c.[/quote]

    got em switched, here’s the pics:
    http://farm4.static....

    http://farm4.static....

  • Jordan Pope | December 21, 2008 at 12:28 am |

    [quote comment=”306709″]I don’t think I have seen Arizona this season. Is that a regular scheme for them in football? All Red.[/quote]

    I may be mistake but i believe the Red jersey is their regular home jersey…not with the red pants though.

  • Dylan | December 21, 2008 at 12:46 am |

    arizona and fresno st. were in all red today, they looked almost exactly the same if not for the logo differences.
    nice job on the third jersey rankings, except i’d switch san jose and atlanta. but only because i could have done a better job on atlanta’s third jersey. san jose’s jersey looks fine but their corporate sell out puts them in the last (or IMO the second to last) spot on the rankings. does anyone really not like the yellow/gold bits in the sharks reg. jerseys? i liked the old ones much better, the teal one was my first hockey jersey in fact, got it at chelsea piers

  • Kek | December 21, 2008 at 1:18 am |

    Yeah, that Pens/Maple Leafs game was visually appealing. Even moreso when the HD channel FINALLY worked (starting in the 2nd period)

    However, the outcome of the game, much less appealing to me!

    Teebz, Phil and all that particpated, great job in today’s post.

    I hope the Pens’ jersey is high on the list tomorrow!

  • Chad | December 21, 2008 at 1:22 am |

    al capone at a baseball game http://i42.tinypic.c...

  • Teebz | December 21, 2008 at 1:32 am |

    [quote comment=”306711″]Wow, what an entry today. I’m sorry I didn’t see UW the day Phil asked us for our list. Just wanted to add my 2 cents on the Thrashers- Its not the worst I’ve ever seen but I’d like them to pick a primary color and stick with it. Plus drop a couple of colors, you don’t need five or six colors on a uni of any sport.

    Teebz-a little while back you asked us who were the two players in the outdoor legends game who didn’t win the Cup. What was the answer?[/quote]

    It was three, actually. Russ Courtnall and Steve Penney of the Canadiens, and Ron Chipperfield of the Oilers. :o)

  • Ben K | December 21, 2008 at 1:34 am |

    Arizona wore all red at home against Cal and USC.

  • Teebz | December 21, 2008 at 1:38 am |

    [quote comment=”306713″]Thanks for doing a hockey spot. In my opinion, hockey is THE sport for UniWatching.

    But… (there’s always a but, isn’t there?), I’m absolutely flummoxed at the criticism of the Bruins jersey. I have my problems with UniWatch from time to time, and they stem from the lemming-like nature of its followers, sadly. A long time ago, UniWatch threw down the gauntlet against black alternates, the color purple, and yes, Nike. That’s one man’s (Paul) opinion, but for Pete’s sake people, let’s have an ounce of original thought. I’m not even a Bruins fan, but that jersey is absolutely gorgeous. It’s distinct, crisp, the yellow jumps out at you, and the team just looks plain good in them. Shouldn’t we judge uniforms on their own merit, not on what we think “should have been”? Taken on its own, that Bruins jersey is perfect.[/quote]

    I think people just wanted more yellow and less black, Jim. Hockey seems to be following football’s trend in incorporating as many black uniforms as possible.

    For a team like the Bruins who have sported all yellow jerseys as their primary road jerseys twice in history, there’s no need for two black jerseys. This team has had more options than any for a throwback or a hybrid of throwbacks.

    As Timmy B stated, even a throwback to the brown Bruins jerseys would have been a very different look. And isn’t that what an alternate jersey is supposed to be – something different?

    But again, we’re all different, and that’s why this was done. Opinions may differ, but we all like what we do, and there’s nothing wrong with that. :o)

  • Mark K | December 21, 2008 at 2:39 am |

    [quote comment=”306712″]i can assure you it won’t be just one weekend, but it won’t be every weekend…it’s just that in the world of uni watching, the addition of 19 new alternates is pretty huge, no matter what the sport (17 if you discount the pens/sabes did break out almost exact approximations of these sweaters & unis in last year’s winter classic)[/quote]

    Except the Sabres thirds are nothing like the Winter Classic jerseys. If they were they’d appear on Sunday’s list.

  • brad northstar | December 21, 2008 at 3:22 am |

    major uni stuff going on in the Texas 5A state championship game…Wylie also wears the word AHMO on the front of their jerseys instead of “Wylie.” AHMO is a word like “mojo” – basically is their cheer.
    The AHMO thing was covered in this 2006 post and comments:

    http://www.uniwatchb...

  • Peanbo | December 21, 2008 at 3:25 am |

    The trouble with the Sharks is that they have no classic uniform to reuse or modify. (Their old unis are too recent and too homely too be considered “classic.”) I don’t think bringing back anything from the California Seals is a good idea (jerseys too ugly, team too wretched).

    There was supposed to be a team in the (long defunct) World Hockey Association called the San Francisco Sharks. But the team moved to Canada before play ever started and became the Nordiques. A team in Los Angeles then picked up the name. The Los Angeles Sharks actually played for a couple seasons and had pretty decent uniforms.

    A link to those old WHA unis can be found on this blog’s main page. But here it is again:

    http://whauniforms.c...

    Look for the “Los Angeles Sharks” in either of the first two seasons. Somebody tell me that’s not a bad looking uniform!

    Why can’t the Sharks do something with this? I think it’d be great.

  • Scott W. | December 21, 2008 at 5:49 am |

    Teebz–I love the comment activity, and thanks for taking mine the right way (some people take things WAY too personally on the comment board, but i won’t go there). I dig the Hockey Wing

  • Ted | December 21, 2008 at 12:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”306587″][quote comment=”306583″]Well being a hockey guy, and I haven’t googled this yet but when the hell did hockey, ok baseball too, start with this alternate jersey thing?
    [/quote]

    The official outbreak started in 1995-96 when Anaheim introduced the Wild Wing jersey, Boston introduced the Pooh Bear jersey, LA introduced the Burger King jersey, Pittsburgh introduced Robo-Penguin, and Vancouver had the red-and-black skate alternate.[/quote]

    Thanks Teebz. Was sorta looking for the “official recent incarnation of this” The late era NY Americans alternates were great as was pretty much anything Montreal has come up with (and this from a Bruins fan).

  • Andy | December 21, 2008 at 1:19 pm |

    I understand why you ranked the Sharks last, on principle, but on a pure ugliness level, the Thrashers win hands down. I ranked it number ten on my list of Top Ten Ugliest NHL Jerseys of All-Time.

  • Bill Fenbers | December 21, 2008 at 8:39 pm |

    One word to describe the unis Southern Miss is wearing for the New Orleans Bowl……..UGH!!!

  • mtjaws | December 22, 2008 at 12:18 am |

    Excellent thoughts on the hockey alts. Very fun reading this stuff. I have a few comments:

    1. I do hate the use of Sens and Bolts on the uniforms. Sure they are nicknames, but those suggested logos would certainly look more appealing.

    2. Seeing Carolina’s triangle, I always think of this NCAA logo:
    http://www.footballf...

    3. USF’s white helmets looked good, but reminded me too much of Marshall.
    http://www.marshall....

    Now it’s on to the top 9!

  • mah jong | December 22, 2008 at 1:49 am |

    well i like the sharks 3rds, but I do hate how they sold them out. I was there when they wore them 4 the 1rst time, and all they did all game was advertise ‘black armor’. They had a pregame show detailing ‘the history of the sharks jerseys’ where they put JEremy Roenick on camera to advertise the jersey (and as those of you that live in SJ know, they only bring JR out to advertise when theyre really serious) Nothing but a big marketing scam for seagate. But I still think the sharks should be higher on this list