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It’s Impolite To Stare

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Yeah … Paul’s still gone. No, wait! He’s back today. But I might be back tomorrow anyway. You know, for fun.

I gotta say this picture took me aback when I first saw it. Not exactly something you see every day. That’s marathon swimmer Natalie du Toit of South Africa in the middle, which brings me to this: what’s the deal with South African athletes missing appendages? Oscar Pistorius, the sprinter who sued for the right to qualify for Beijing (but didn’t qualify), is from South Africa, too. What’s going on down there?

Joking aside, for now, you can see the Speedo LZR on all three swimmers. In cycling, aero equipment (helmets, special wheels, etc.) pays off more the longer you ride, obviously. I wonder if it’s the same for marathon swimming, when the LZR could mean minutes — lots of them — compared to .01 seconds in the pool.

Quick! Someone get some research going, pronto.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Dwight Howard is so anti-Nike, he won’t even wear practice gear. Or, he could be under contract with Adidas. Either one. As spotted by Rob Montoya in an ESPN video. Note also, he’s wearing Dr. Dre’s new Beat headphones. … Matt Powers was picking up his daughter at a friend’s house and snapped a shot of this photo on the mantle. “It turns out that the friend’s father was a running back at Princeton during the early 70’s (Letterwinner ‘73). What is even more cool, is that I’ve known him for some time and he has never once mentioned it!” … This trainwreck was in the comments last night. Credit to Glynn McGehee on this one. … Got a dispatch from Susan Freeman, who attended the first Texans preseason game. First, the old NFL logo won’t die, which is a good thing. Second, the NFL has completely whored itself out to Reebok, which we knew, but perhaps not to that extent. But wait, the new NFL logo is here, too. And, finally, socks in shambles near the end of the game. … Here’s an approximation (read: replica, at least) of what the new Adidas-tagged Michigan hockey jerseys will look like, with thanks to Craig Barker. … The Spanish synchronized swimming team is getting totally hosed. They can’t use their light-up suits. Boo! Thanks to Jeremy Brahm, who also sent this article about sexy table tennis unis. No, really. … Jonathan Sluss notes that Virginia Tech is going to have a white out for the home opener. That means the team is going white, too — with a mishmash of unis from the past. This shows that white helmet in original action — but note the different stripes on all the VT guys. … Possible new LA Kings alternate logo here. … Jeff Rinker picked up this postcard at Givens Hot Springs in Idaho while on a Boy Scouts campout. It’s the 1914 Murphy, Idaho, baseball team. … Sean McCall checked in with a couple of cool non-sports links — the first is a pile (in PDF form) of 1970s logos, while the second has a bunch of car badges. … How long have the Colts used this (scroll down) terrible helmet rendering for press conferences? Nick Church wants to know. … Also from Nick, there’s consternation over the rebranding of Western Kentucky University as, simply, WKU. Specifically, people are whacked out about how gigantic the center-court logo is. … Finally, happy birthday to my son, who turns 1 today.

 

194 comments to It’s Impolite To Stare

  • Kek | August 20, 2008 at 7:29 am |

    why is the int’l three-point line on the WKU court?

  • John T | August 20, 2008 at 7:39 am |

    Don’t know if this was touched on yesterday. Sandra Richards compression sock came down to her ankle during her 400 mtr final

    http://www.thefirstp...

    Heard a commentator over here (Ireland) state that this could have bothered her during the race. And she started losing speed just after that happened, coincidence?

  • Ricko | August 20, 2008 at 7:39 am |

    http://i256.photobuc...

    Always thought that was a better treatment of tiger stripes on helmet than the Bengals’. Well, other than it looks a little like a Bugle (that’s a snack food; I say that cuz I’m pretty sure no one here is familiar with junk food, LOL).

  • billy | August 20, 2008 at 7:39 am |

    The Beat headphones were a gift to the entire “Redeam Team” from LeBron James prior to the Olympics

  • Ricko | August 20, 2008 at 7:43 am |

    [quote comment=”285386″]http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh169/mpowerrs1634/DSC01997.jpg

    Always thought that was a better treatment of tiger stripes on helmet than the Bengals’. Well, other than it looks a little like a Bugle (that’s a snack food; I say that cuz I’m pretty sure no one here is familiar with junk food, LOL).[/quote]

    Hmmm…both teams in dark jerseys (Harvard being the opposition). Obviously a game that wasn’t televised. Good for them, Harvard and Princeton have a long traditon of playing each other or something, don’t they?

    (rolls eyes)

  • ryan c #40 | August 20, 2008 at 7:45 am |

    south africa has a lot of these:

    http://imagecache2.a...

    HAPPY B-DAY to your son!!!

  • Ricko | August 20, 2008 at 7:46 am |

    [quote comment=”285389″][quote comment=”285386″]http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh169/mpowerrs1634/DSC01997.jpg

    Always thought that was a better treatment of tiger stripes on helmet than the Bengals’. Well, other than it looks a little like a Bugle (that’s a snack food; I say that cuz I’m pretty sure no one here is familiar with junk food, LOL).[/quote]

    Hmmm…both teams in dark jerseys (Harvard being the opposition). Obviously a game that wasn’t televised. Good for them, Harvard and Princeton have a long traditon of playing each other or something, don’t they?

    (rolls eyes)[/quote]

    Ooops, self correction here. Not Harvard. Only one stripe on helmet, no white centerstripe pants. Don’t know who it is.

    Penn, maybe? Or Brown? Anyone?

  • ryan c #40 | August 20, 2008 at 7:52 am |

    “south africa has a lot of these:

    http://imagecache2.a…”

    …but actually it was a scooter accident. glad to see she’s still out there though!!!

  • John T | August 20, 2008 at 7:54 am |

    [quote comment=”285387″]Don’t know if this was touched on yesterday. Sandra Richards compression sock came down to her ankle during her 400 mtr final

    http://www.thefirstp...

    Heard a commentator over here (Ireland) state that this could have bothered her during the race. And she started losing speed just after that happened, coincidence?[/quote]

    sorry about link, try here
    http://www.flickr.co...

  • who cares | August 20, 2008 at 8:11 am |

    [quote comment=”285387″]Don’t know if this was touched on yesterday. Sandra Richards compression sock came down to her ankle during her 400 mtr final

    http://www.thefirstp...

    Heard a commentator over here (Ireland) state that this could have bothered her during the race. And she started losing speed just after that happened, coincidence?[/quote]

    She did complain of cramping in the post-race interview but the announcers didn’t seem convinced it wasn’t just her coming off the blocks too fast and running out of gas.

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 8:23 am |

    [quote]Harvard and Princeton have a long traditon of playing each other or something, don’t they?[/quote]

    who?

  • Zach Smith | August 20, 2008 at 8:35 am |

    [quote comment=”285383″]why is the int’l three-point line on the WKU court?[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure all of NCAA men’s basketball is moving to that 3 point line this year.

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 8:44 am |

    [quote comment=”285396″][quote comment=”285383″]why is the int’l three-point line on the WKU court?[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure all of NCAA men’s basketball is moving to that 3 point line this year.[/quote]

    correct…on may 3, 2007, the NCAA men’s basketball rules committee passed a measure to extend the distance of the men’s three-point line a foot back to 20’9″…effective for the 2008-09 season

    i think the women’s line is staying the same (like 19’9″)…so that’ll be interesting

  • Taha | August 20, 2008 at 9:01 am |

    I don’t get it. Can someone explain what a chamois or rag has to do with hilltoppers? or is that a scarf that you wear on top of the hill because it’s chilly? that sounds an awful lot like that Greek guy trying to say “kimono” is a Greek word.

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 9:10 am |

    [quote comment=”285398″]I don’t get it. Can someone explain what a chamois or rag has to do with hilltoppers? or is that a scarf that you wear on top of the hill because it’s chilly? that sounds an awful lot like that Greek guy trying to say “kimono” is a Greek word.[/quote]

    it’s edgar diddle‘s red towel

    now…what that actually has to do with a ‘hilltopper’ is not something im prepared to answer…

    they do have a really cool mascot tho

  • Stephen | August 20, 2008 at 9:11 am |

    you know, looking at the new Georgia Tech swag, I gotta say, as bad as the football unis are, I actually don’t mind most of the rest of it. And, probably because I am a die-hard Tech fan, but the gold top/white bottom combo on the football uni is actually OK (still not digging the white ones, though). I think that horizontal chest stripe needs to go, and I wish they would have used regular stripes on the pants instead of those funky ones, but not too bad overall. I love the return to Old Gold.

    I still don’t get the pink for the lady’s hoops, but whatever.

    ~E~

  • Billy | August 20, 2008 at 9:13 am |

    Comparing the old and new court from that link, it appears that the WKU logo is the same size as it was before, if its bigger, its only slightly.

    I don’t understand why a ton of schools have chosen to blow up the center court logos in the past few years though.

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 9:13 am |

    even this blurb on coach diddle and the red towel don’t ‘splain how it relates to a hilltopper…but i guess that’s the point…it doesnt

  • Kevin from Ohio in Virginia | August 20, 2008 at 9:14 am |

    South African swimmers with missing limbs?

  • Johnny O | August 20, 2008 at 9:16 am |

    Aside from the awful stripes under the arm pits, the USA Men’s basketball jerseys are really starting to grow on me. I actually kind of like them. At least the white ones. Anyone else feel the same way? Or am I the only one here?

    http://farm4.static....

  • al | August 20, 2008 at 9:17 am |

    The Ga Tech volleyball uni’s are nice

  • Rick | August 20, 2008 at 9:17 am |

    With all the talk and technology breakthroughs with the LZR swim suits, how come track and field seems so out of touch? In a sport where speed is key and wins can come by hundredths of seconds, I have never seen so much stuff. Between the safety pinned on paper numbers which seem to act like parachutes on their backs, the long necklaces that bang in their faces, the Nike billboards on their arms and legs (I mean compression sleeves), it seems like all that stuff would slow them down. Any extra weight would be detrimental to their speed let alone at least distracting to them when they run.

    I know the shoes and uniforms have gotten lighter and better, but that doesn’t help much when you are weighing yourself down with all this extra stuff. If you have to tuck your extra long necklace into your sports bra strap, maybe you should just take it off. I’m not seeing a lot of common sense among these athletes. You would think the coaches or their Olympic committees would restrict such extraneous items, but I guess fashion comes first.

  • MPowers1634 | August 20, 2008 at 9:19 am |

    [quote comment=”285389″][quote comment=”285386″]http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh169/mpowerrs1634/DSC01997.jpg

    Always thought that was a better treatment of tiger stripes on helmet than the Bengals’. Well, other than it looks a little like a Bugle (that’s a snack food; I say that cuz I’m pretty sure no one here is familiar with junk food, LOL).[/quote]

    Hmmm…both teams in dark jerseys (Harvard being the opposition). Obviously a game that wasn’t televised. Good for them, Harvard and Princeton have a long traditon of playing each other or something, don’t they?

    (rolls eyes)[/quote]

    I noticed the drak jersey conundrum as well.

    What was more interesting to me was the long sleeves on the jersey, complete with stripes.

  • Kek | August 20, 2008 at 9:20 am |

    [quote comment=”285397″][quote comment=”285396″][quote comment=”285383″]why is the int’l three-point line on the WKU court?[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure all of NCAA men’s basketball is moving to that 3 point line this year.[/quote]

    correct…on may 3, 2007, the NCAA men’s basketball rules committee passed a measure to extend the distance of the men’s three-point line a foot back to 20’9″…effective for the 2008-09 season

    i think the women’s line is staying the same (like 19’9″)…so that’ll be interesting[/quote]
    Wow, I totally missed that. I know int’l lines have been used in the past in exhibitions but since that was a new floor I thought it stood out a little.

    That’s a great move if you ask me. NCAA basketball, although far superior to the pro game in my eyes, has lost a lot of luster because of the gimme that the three-point line has become.

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 9:24 am |

    [quote comment=”285404″]Aside from the awful stripes under the arm pits, the USA Men’s basketball jerseys are really starting to grow on me. I actually kind of like them. At least the white ones. Anyone else feel the same way? Or am I the only one here?

    http://farm4.static....

    i think there’s some kind of new dictum on UW….if you can’t say something snarky about nike, don’t say anything at all…to wit…a comment beneath yours sums up this anti-swoosh mentality:

    [quote]Nike billboards on their arms and legs (I mean compression sleeves)[/quote]

    see…that’s how you have to approach anything nike makes…it cannot possibly benefit the athlete, but is merely ad space

  • Kevin from Ohio in Virginia | August 20, 2008 at 9:30 am |

    South African swimmers missing limbs?
    Must be something in the water…

  • Anthony Verna | August 20, 2008 at 9:41 am |

    “And we were swimming in the water with no hands…”
    Charlotte Martin

  • Johnny O | August 20, 2008 at 9:42 am |

    [quote comment=”285409″][quote comment=”285404″]Aside from the awful stripes under the arm pits, the USA Men’s basketball jerseys are really starting to grow on me. I actually kind of like them. At least the white ones. Anyone else feel the same way? Or am I the only one here?

    http://farm4.static....

    i think there’s some kind of new dictum on UW….if you can’t say something snarky about nike, don’t say anything at all…to wit…a comment beneath yours sums up this anti-swoosh mentality:

    [quote]Nike billboards on their arms and legs (I mean compression sleeves)[/quote]

    see…that’s how you have to approach anything nike makes…it cannot possibly benefit the athlete, but is merely ad space[/quote]

    My comment was defiantly not meant to bash Nike at all. I don’t like everything Nike does, i.e. the “chicken pox” baseball shirts and “ram horn” basketball uni’s… but there are some things I like, i.e. the SOD and most of their shoes.

    I was just pointing out one thing I didn’t like about the USA uni’s. To be honest, there are rare times where someone can’t pick out one thing wrong with a uni, no uni is perfect… well except these of course (but, I am very biased) :

    http://cache.daylife...

  • Anthony Verna | August 20, 2008 at 9:43 am |

    [quote comment=”285408″]That’s a great move if you ask me. NCAA basketball, although far superior to the pro game in my eyes, has lost a lot of luster because of the gimme that the three-point line has become.[/quote]

    I’m with you completely on the ease of the three-point shot and the further the line is, the better basketball will be.

    (I’d even argue that the NBA should make it further back and scrap a side three-point shot.)

  • Jon | August 20, 2008 at 9:52 am |

    Very true, and on the same point, what does a red version of McDonald’s Grimace have to do with “Hilltoppers?”

    [quote comment=”285402″]even this blurb on coach diddle and the red towel don’t ‘splain how it relates to a hilltopper…but i guess that’s the point…it doesnt[/quote]

  • Kek | August 20, 2008 at 9:52 am |

    [quote comment=”285413″][quote comment=”285408″]That’s a great move if you ask me. NCAA basketball, although far superior to the pro game in my eyes, has lost a lot of luster because of the gimme that the three-point line has become.[/quote]

    I’m with you completely on the ease of the three-point shot and the further the line is, the better basketball will be.

    (I’d even argue that the NBA should make it further back and scrap a side three-point shot.)[/quote]
    Part of me says just move the NCAA line back to the NBA but I do think that it’s OK to have a shorter shot than the pros so if you move on, you progress up.

    I wouldn’t be opposed to NCAA moving back to a uniform 22′ like the NBA attempted some years back. What would be interesting there would be the adjustment down to the int’l line for all the guys that play overseas rather than in the NBA after their college careers.

    Overall, I’m old school in that I could do without the 3-point basket at all. It killed the intermediate jump shot and lets teams with inferior athletic ability gun their way back into games. At the college level it’s almost as if no lead is safe.

    I also dislike interleague baseball, instant replay in any sport, and shootouts in hockey!

    Not to mention forms of overtime in football like college and most HS ball. To me, the perfect system would be the NFL MINUS the sudden death. Give the other team one chance to score.

    Rant…over

  • Rick | August 20, 2008 at 9:56 am |

    It was just a joke. Calm down LI Phil. Instead of trying to start another boring argument like the ones that have been going on the last couple of days, how about make an intelligent response to the point of my original post? I just happened to notice while watching Sanya Richards last night that everyone in the world is trying for less clothing and she has more accessories than Paris Hilton. I guess it didn’t help her much because she ran out of gas at the end of the race and watched everyone pass her by.

  • fc | August 20, 2008 at 10:02 am |

    Praise to the NFL for the new logo. Newer logos >>>> old logos.

  • big matt | August 20, 2008 at 10:13 am |

    I like the USA bb uniforms, especially the tribal print on the back! Very cool! And the team slogan “United We Rise” is, to me, very inspiring.
    Oh, and PS, I generally love Nike. I was very depressed to learn that my Hoosiers resigned with Adidas for another 8 years.

  • Urban Runoff | August 20, 2008 at 10:16 am |

    The yellow Michigan jersey with the New York Rangers-style diagonal lettering is awesome. I’d like to see that in blue, too.

    Does everyone hate the new NFL logo? –Runoff

  • chance | August 20, 2008 at 10:18 am |

    [quote comment=”285410″]South African swimmers missing limbs?
    Must be something in the water…
    [/quote]

    I’ve done that in South Africa. Unspeakably cool.

    But who knew? I could have become an Olympian….

  • chance | August 20, 2008 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment=”285419″]The yellow Michigan jersey with the New York Rangers-style diagonal lettering is awesome. I’d like to see that in blue, too.

    Does everyone hate the new NFL logo? –Runoff[/quote]

    Not me. I think it’s an upgrade. It’s not perfect – the letters need tweaking – but much improved all around.

  • Chris Mycoskie | August 20, 2008 at 10:26 am |

    PRESS RELEASE FROM THE NEW ORLEANS HORNETS:
    Please note that today’s logo and uniform launch at Tipitina’s (French Quarter) at 2 p.m. central will be broadcast on Hornets.com in a live stream. Tune in to be the first to see the updated logos and new uniforms modeled by Hornets forwards Morris Peterson and Julian Wright. Each of the updated designs was inspired by the New Orleans culture, architecture and future and marks an exciting new chapter for the Hornets organization!

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 10:31 am |

    [quote]It was just a joke. Calm down LI Phil.[/quote]

    i know it was a joke…so was my response

    as far as an intelligent argument about all the accessories these runners wear, i agree with you and the point it well taken…it gets to the point where it seems all those technological advances (a/k/a bling) may, in fact, be detrimental to the wearer…

    as to the compression sleeves, however, i do take issue…there is apparently some bullshit junk actual science behind them, and nike is NOT the only one making them…my point, and one douggie (kek) has been trying (and i guess, quite unsuccessfully) is that ANY time an article of clothing, or an accoutrement (sweat, elbow, bicep band; titanium necklace, etc.) is pointed out for being, shall we say, superficial, it seems it’s ONLY nike that gets pointed out and bashed…to the point that our leader calls it the mark of the beast and most thought certainly not all, minions readers feel it’s fun to pile on…just because it may endear them to the swoosh-hating legions who hinge on every word PL says

    im not grouping you into this category, but it just is really beginning to bug me when every comment that is negative just seems to be directed against the swoosh

    do i feel nike is overboard on a LOT of their shit? absolutely…but so too are the 3 stripes, UA, phiten, RL (did anyone catch who made our opening ceremony outfits?–although PL did bash them rightfully in his piece on the mothership) and countless others…but it seems nike is always the culprit, always at fault, etc.

    and johnny okray…i know you were being complimentary to nike…that’s why i was somewhat shocked…and yes, i DO like the mens hoop unis…quite a bit…although i could certainly do without that weird, two-tone material on the backs of the jerseys

    but i guess we’re never going back to this

  • ben | August 20, 2008 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment=”285412″][quote comment=”285409″][quote comment=”285404″]Aside from the awful stripes under the arm pits, the USA Men’s basketball jerseys are really starting to grow on me. I actually kind of like them. At least the white ones. Anyone else feel the same way? Or am I the only one here?

    http://farm4.static....

    i think there’s some kind of new dictum on UW….if you can’t say something snarky about nike, don’t say anything at all…to wit…a comment beneath yours sums up this anti-swoosh mentality:

    [quote]Nike billboards on their arms and legs (I mean compression sleeves)[/quote]

    see…that’s how you have to approach anything nike makes…it cannot possibly benefit the athlete, but is merely ad space[/quote]

    My comment was defiantly not meant to bash Nike at all. I don’t like everything Nike does, i.e. the “chicken pox” baseball shirts and “ram horn” basketball uni’s… but there are some things I like, i.e. the SOD and most of their shoes.

    I was just pointing out one thing I didn’t like about the USA uni’s. To be honest, there are rare times where someone can’t pick out one thing wrong with a uni, no uni is perfect… well except these of course (but, I am very biased) :

    http://cache.daylife...

    I think Nike did a GREAT job on the Team USA design. They are modern, but nothing stands out like crazy on the jersey. The tribal thing is kinda funky on the back, but it is subtle enough to where most people dont even realize its there. At least Nike did a better job than Champion did http://i.cdn.turner....

  • Evan | August 20, 2008 at 10:55 am |

    Anyone watch the Colbert Report last night. He interviewed the writer of this book http://search.barnes...
    and it made me think of this site.

  • Ed | August 20, 2008 at 11:04 am |

    If the IOC has a ban on national sports federation emblems on Olympic team uniforms, how did the 1992 Dream Team get away with this? (aside from being super-mega-awesome, of course…)

    Also, has anyone noticed that the star-and-ball logo on the Redeem Team’s shorts is from the USA Basketball federation logo? Does this count as a violation as well?

  • Kek | August 20, 2008 at 11:22 am |

    my point, and one douggie (kek) has been trying (and i guess, quite unsuccessfully) is that ANY time an article of clothing, or an accoutrement (sweat, elbow, bicep band; titanium necklace, etc.) is pointed out for being, shall we say, superficial, it seems it’s ONLY nike that gets pointed out and bashed

    What? Phil, I had no idea I’m losing the battle. [sarcasm]

    That Johnny Poontang fellow, who probably was a troll since we haven’t seen the name since, made some valid points (although I wouldn’t have worded some of them too strongly). Especially since I did appreciate Bryan actually engaging in a dialogue with me (even though I could have done without the smartass “I don’t need to convince anybody — least of all, you.” comment, but whatever, I’m a big boy I can take it). Not that Paul doesn’t do this but can have a tendency to shut the debate down quicker.

    Also Bryan deserves some respect for the “Playing Nice” comment yesterday. I’m not sure if anyone mentioned or noticed that in yesterday’s comments.

    Great job while Paul’s been out, despite my normal complaints this is still the best blog out there.

  • chance | August 20, 2008 at 11:25 am |

    [quote comment=”285422″]PRESS RELEASE FROM THE NEW ORLEANS HORNETS:
    Please note that today’s logo and uniform launch at Tipitina’s (French Quarter) at 2 p.m. central will be broadcast on Hornets.com in a live stream. Tune in to be the first to see the updated logos and new uniforms modeled by Hornets forwards Morris Peterson and Julian Wright. Each of the updated designs was inspired by the New Orleans culture, architecture and future and marks an exciting new chapter for the Hornets organization![/quote]

    So we’ll see a better version and not the bad Flash trace that’s been floating around. Good.

    Still wish that they had just adopted the Fleur de Bee.

  • Rick | August 20, 2008 at 11:32 am |

    Why do track and field athletes even need those paper numbers? I know they always had them, but come on it’s 2008 and the Olympics! Haven’t they come up with a better way yet? The swimmers do not have numbers, yet they are able to keep track of them. Same with the gymnasts. It just seems silly with all the money and research that I’m sure was put into those uniforms and they go along and attach paper numbers to them with safety pins. That definitely can’t help performance or comfort.

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 11:33 am |

    [quote] did appreciate Bryan actually engaging in a dialogue with me (even though I could have done without the smartass “I don’t need to convince anybody — least of all, you.” comment, but whatever, I’m a big boy I can take it). Not that Paul doesn’t do this but can have a tendency to shut the debate down quicker.

    Also Bryan deserves some respect for the “Playing Nice” comment yesterday. I’m not sure if anyone mentioned or noticed that in yesterday’s comments.

    Great job while Paul’s been out, despite my normal complaints this is still the best blog out there.[/quote]

    i agree…bryan has being doing a stellar job

    despite calling me “a-hole” on monday…but i know it’s all in good fun, and i’ve certainly been called worse

    /happy b-day to yer boy, bry!

  • mike 2 | August 20, 2008 at 11:33 am |

    In the ticker item on the L.A. Kings possible new logo, there’s also reference to an Edmonton Oilers’ 30th anniversary logo

    http://i218.photobuc...

    “30 years of Oilers Hockey” “Est 1979”

    Am I missing something here? They were established in 1972 in the WHA. I know when they joined the NHL they were technically considered expansion franchises but this is just strange.

    I know the Winnipeg Jets always referred to their founding in 1972 (including the patch they wore in their final season with all three logos).

  • Johnny Poontang | August 20, 2008 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment=”285427″]What? Phil, I had no idea I’m losing the battle. [sarcasm]

    That Johnny Poontang fellow, who probably was a troll since we haven’t seen the name since, made some valid points (although I wouldn’t have worded some of them too strongly). Especially since I did appreciate Bryan actually engaging in a dialogue with me (even though I could have done without the smartass “I don’t need to convince anybody — least of all, you.” comment, but whatever, I’m a big boy I can take it). Not that Paul doesn’t do this but can have a tendency to shut the debate down quicker.

    Also Bryan deserves some respect for the “Playing Nice” comment yesterday. I’m not sure if anyone mentioned or noticed that in yesterday’s comments.

    Great job while Paul’s been out, despite my normal complaints this is still the best blog out there.[/quote]

    Oh I can assure you Johnny Poontang is not a troll. As I had stated earlier, I love this site and find it to be an amazing fountain of information.

  • Ricko | August 20, 2008 at 11:38 am |

    Mission Reds were mentioned the other day.

    Just got an email from ebbets field flannels.

    http://www.ebbets.co...

  • scott | August 20, 2008 at 11:41 am |

    Boston Globe article on athlete from Bahrain:

    http://www.boston.co...

  • LarenR | August 20, 2008 at 11:43 am |

    Re: Nike basketball uniforms

    I actually like them a lot. On my old, non-HD TV you can’t really make out the graphic on the back. And other than that weirdness, I think they are quite clean and classic.

    As for the “Nike Bashing,” I think it may have turned into a case of the Volvo Effect, where it’s not that Nike gets criticized more than other outfits, it’s just that folks have become hypersensitive to it and react with more vitriol than when someone points out Logo Creep ™ on a Champion jersey, or whatever. (e.g. Just today, Bryan mentioned the NFL “completely whored itself out to Reebok” and there is no Reebok-bashing uproar).

  • Ricko | August 20, 2008 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment=”285431″]In the ticker item on the L.A. Kings possible new logo, there’s also reference to an Edmonton Oilers’ 30th anniversary logo

    http://i218.photobuc...

    “30 years of Oilers Hockey” “Est 1979”

    Am I missing something here? They were established in 1972 in the WHA. I know when they joined the NHL they were technically considered expansion franchises but this is just strange.

    I know the Winnipeg Jets always referred to their founding in 1972 (including the patch they wore in their final season with all three logos).[/quote]

    Oilers disavowing any affiliation with the WHA? Just gonna claim NHL status from the beginning?

    Well, what the hell, revisionist history seems to be okay in regard to everything else in world, guess it’s harmless as far that organization wanting to ignore its own reality.

    Knowing the original ownership group’s way of looking at things, it doesn’t surprise me.

  • Teebz | August 20, 2008 at 11:46 am |

    [quote comment=”285431″]In the ticker item on the L.A. Kings possible new logo, there’s also reference to an Edmonton Oilers’ 30th anniversary logo

    http://i218.photobuc...

    “30 years of Oilers Hockey” “Est 1979”

    Am I missing something here? They were established in 1972 in the WHA. I know when they joined the NHL they were technically considered expansion franchises but this is just strange.

    I know the Winnipeg Jets always referred to their founding in 1972 (including the patch they wore in their final season with all three logos).[/quote]

    In 1972, the Oilers were established as the Alberta Oilers, not the Edmonton Oilers. Because they changed their designation, they technically didn’t exist in the WHA until 1973.

    It’s the same for the New Jersey Devils. They don’t include the times they were the Kansas City Scouts or Colorado Rockies in banner years. The Dallas Stars don’t include their time in Minnesota in their banner years either.

    It’s all a pile of technicalities, but the devil is in the details.

  • Brad | August 20, 2008 at 11:46 am |

    The Princeton game photo is against Rutgers at the late, great Palmer Stadium, circa 1972-73 – I was at the game both years. Rutgers played the Tigers in the first game of the season at the bigger stadium in Princeton from 1954-75 (the 1969 “Centennial Game” was played at Rutgers), and often times in the late 60’s and early ’70’s wore its home red jerseys while Princeton wore its traditional black. However, in 1974 Princeton wore white at home against RU wearing red, one of the few times ever in school history. The teams stopped playing in 1980.

  • jesse | August 20, 2008 at 11:52 am |

    This is obviously fake, but it is kind of an interesting look.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 11:53 am |

    [quote]Bryan mentioned the NFL “completely whored itself out to Reebok” and there is no Reebok-bashing uproar[/quote]

    and who owns reebok?

    i’ll leave the nfl & nhl uni bashing to others [i think teebz likes the new NHL duds tho :o)]…

    you’re perhaps right about the “volvo effect” as it pertains to nike, but it just SEEMS (there’s that word again) that, due to the blog owner’s vitriol for the mark of the beast, readers love to jump on the anti-swoosh bandwagon…i know 3 stripes/rbk get their due trashing, but it often comes at the hands of the UW community, rather than the owner…

    when nike is bashed, however, it always seems that there is a certain tacit approval of it from the higher ups…and that no nike-basher will go punished for his transgressions, whereas anyone who gives due grief to mr. lukas for his disdain for the greek goddess of victory, we are told to settle down…

    i know i know…it’s his blog…i can see the red x…if i don’t like it i can post elsewhere…purple and nike are bad…purple and nike are bad…purple and nike are bad…

  • MPowers1634 | August 20, 2008 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment=”285391″][quote comment=”285389″][quote comment=”285386″]http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh169/mpowerrs1634/DSC01997.jpg

    Always thought that was a better treatment of tiger stripes on helmet than the Bengals’. Well, other than it looks a little like a Bugle (that’s a snack food; I say that cuz I’m pretty sure no one here is familiar with junk food, LOL).[/quote]

    Hmmm…both teams in dark jerseys (Harvard being the opposition). Obviously a game that wasn’t televised. Good for them, Harvard and Princeton have a long traditon of playing each other or something, don’t they?

    (rolls eyes)[/quote]

    Ooops, self correction here. Not Harvard. Only one stripe on helmet, no white centerstripe pants. Don’t know who it is.

    Penn, maybe? Or Brown? Anyone?[/quote]

    My friend actualli lettered in 1971 and 1972.

    According to the Helmet Project:

    http://www.nationalc...

    The only Ivy league team it could have been was Cornell.

    However, here are the schedules and results for those two years:

    1971
    Coach: Jake McCandless
    Captain: Robert Wolfe
    Overall: 4-5; Ivy: 3-4
    RUTGERS L 18-33
    Columbia L 20-22
    Cornell L 8-19
    COLGATE W 35-12
    PENNSYLVANIA W 31-0
    BROWN W 49-21
    Harvard W 21-10
    YALE L 6-10
    DARTMOUTH L 7-33

    1972
    Coach: Jake McCandless
    Captain: Michael L. Kincaid
    Overall: 3-5-1; Ivy: 2-4-1
    RUTGERS W 7-6
    COLUMBIA T 0-0
    Dartmouth L 14-35
    COLGATE L 26-35
    Pennsylvania L 10-15
    BROWN W 31-10
    HARVARD W 10-7
    Yale L 7-31
    CORNELL L 15-22

    What team was Princeton playing?

  • duckstyle | August 20, 2008 at 11:58 am |

    [quote comment=”285440″][quote]Bryan mentioned the NFL “completely whored itself out to Reebok” and there is no Reebok-bashing uproar[/quote]

    and who owns reebok?

    i’ll leave the nfl & nhl uni bashing to others [i think teebz likes the new NHL duds tho :o)]…

    you’re perhaps right about the “volvo effect” as it pertains to nike, but it just SEEMS (there’s that word again) that, due to the blog owner’s vitriol for the mark of the beast, readers love to jump on the anti-swoosh bandwagon…i know 3 stripes/rbk get their due trashing, but it often comes at the hands of the UW community, rather than the owner…

    when nike is bashed, however, it always seems that there is a certain tacit approval of it from the higher ups…and that no nike-basher will go punished for his transgressions, whereas anyone who gives due grief to mr. lukas for his disdain for the greek goddess of victory, we are told to settle down…

    i know i know…it’s his blog…i can see the red x…if i don’t like it i can post elsewhere…purple and nike are bad…purple and nike are bad…purple and nike are bad…[/quote]

    Lets not get all crazy now. Purple is bad.

  • Kek | August 20, 2008 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”285432″][quote comment=”285427″]What? Phil, I had no idea I’m losing the battle. [sarcasm]

    That Johnny Poontang fellow, who probably was a troll since we haven’t seen the name since, made some valid points (although I wouldn’t have worded some of them too strongly). Especially since I did appreciate Bryan actually engaging in a dialogue with me (even though I could have done without the smartass “I don’t need to convince anybody — least of all, you.” comment, but whatever, I’m a big boy I can take it). Not that Paul doesn’t do this but can have a tendency to shut the debate down quicker.

    Also Bryan deserves some respect for the “Playing Nice” comment yesterday. I’m not sure if anyone mentioned or noticed that in yesterday’s comments.

    Great job while Paul’s been out, despite my normal complaints this is still the best blog out there.[/quote]

    Oh I can assure you Johnny Poontang is not a troll. As I had stated earlier, I love this site and find it to be an amazing fountain of information.[/quote]
    Apologies Johnny, I only thought this because I hadn’t seen your name before. Like I said, I agree with premise, that folks that disagree with Paul tend to get ganged up on. I know I got a slap on the wrist back in the day when I made a “dittohead” comment.

    Sorry for the misunderstanding on my part.

  • Brendan | August 20, 2008 at 12:02 pm |

    “Here’s an approximation (read: replica, at least) of what the new Adidas-tagged Michigan hockey jerseys will look like, with thanks to Craig Barker.”

    Ugh. This means they’re now part of the “City (and now school) Name at Home and Team Name on the Road Club,” joining the Dallas Stars and San Jose Earthquakes (and partial member Vancouver Canucks). This is a trend that needs to be stopped.

  • Chad | August 20, 2008 at 12:04 pm |

    have these japanese soccer unis been mentioned yet http://www.youtube.c...

  • Teebz | August 20, 2008 at 12:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”285440″]
    and who owns reebok?

    i’ll leave the nfl & nhl uni bashing to others [i think teebz likes the new NHL duds tho :o)]…
    [/quote]

    I’m not a fan of the new Rbk uniforms, and believe that they should return to CCM’s uniform styles. “6% less drag” is nothing to redesign the wheel over. Some look respectable, but why change just for the sake of change?

    I do, however, have a serious problem with the added “design” elements that Nike introduced that CCM copied that Reebok bought and continues to use.

    And that’s where the problem lies. Nike is a trailblazer when it comes to innovation. I have absolutely no complaints with the majority of their products, but I do have a problem with their branding of everything they have a fingerprint on. And since they started the trend, the other manufacturers have to follow suit in order to retain their share of the market.

    The whole thing is a dog-eat-dog industry where one company tries to one-up everyone else until the product is placed on the back-burner to corporate identity. As for finger pointing and blame-gaming, I know it isn’t solely Nike’s doing, but they are the biggest dog in the yard when it comes to this sort of non-subtle subliminal advertising of their own brand.

  • jesse | August 20, 2008 at 12:07 pm |

    when nike is bashed, however, it always seems that there is a certain tacit approval of it from the higher ups

    Oh my god. Do you understand that Nike is a corporation, not a seven year child that cries herself to sleep every night when somebody makes fun her? It’s a big giant entity that has no feelings. Assuming for a second that you are absolutely right, and Nike is unfairly bashed, abused and slandered on this board. Seriously, who gives a shit? Nike sure doesn’t, so why the hell should you?

    Were talking about uniforms here, which is like half a step below practice. Please try to save your moral outrage for something else. Preferably something that matters.

  • Mr. Met | August 20, 2008 at 12:10 pm |

    I haven’t picked up the last few editions of Madden, but since when did Reebok’s logo start getting plastered all over the cleats? I remember the shoes just used to be generic…

    http://assets.nydail...

  • Johnny Poontang | August 20, 2008 at 12:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”285443″]Apologies Johnny, I only thought this because I hadn’t seen your name before. Like I said, I agree with premise, that folks that disagree with Paul tend to get ganged up on. I know I got a slap on the wrist back in the day when I made a “dittohead” comment.

    Sorry for the misunderstanding on my part.[/quote]

    No apologies necessary. Just think of me as one of those “long-time listeners, first-time callers” type.

    I think this website is great. Sometimes there are things that I have questions about and almost on cue someone asks the question, so why bother doubling up on the same topic?

    I also like Paul’s Page 2 stuff, although I think sometimes I feel it tends to get a bit pretentious and tries a bit too hard to be witty. Sort of like the Ticker, now that I think about it.

    And on that note, Bryan has done a bang-up job in his absence. Kudos to you, sir.

  • Jim | August 20, 2008 at 12:18 pm |

    why hasn’t this site(writers, not fans) done a little report on the new Timberwolves unis? Is Paul waiting until every NBA has introduced their new duds for this upcoming season?

    Also, is there any rhyme or reason to Japan’s “galaxy” uniform?

  • Johnny Poontang | August 20, 2008 at 12:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”285442″]Lets not get all crazy now. Purple is bad.[/quote]

    That’s your opinion, which you’re certainly entitled to. Some of us don’t quite have the aversion to purple as you and your messiah.

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote]Assuming for a second that you are absolutely right, and Nike is unfairly bashed, abused and slandered on this board.[/quote]

    i don’t have to assume…it is

    [quote]Seriously, who gives a shit? Nike sure doesn’t, so why the hell should you?[/quote]

    it’s not like im here trying to defend nike, im simply trying to point out the (a)hypocrisy of those who SOLELY bash nike when there are plenty of other uni-makers who are equally as “bad” in their branding (not uni-styles…that’s another point altogether), if not worse and (b) it gets tiresome when not only is there an anti-swoosh comment in the main article or ticker…but that’s ok…it’s paul’s board, and if he gets off on that, it’s his prerogative…it’s (as johnny poontang so eloquently pointed out the other day):

    [quote]The other one who also posts in a baby-shit colored box, Paul Lukas, would have told you you were wrong then told you to pipe down and ordered you to stop talking about it any further.

    Then shortly after that his followers would have been forced to pull themselves away from weaning on his teat long enough to tell you that this is Paul’s website and he can say and do whatever he wants.[/quote]

    well said johnny…

    it bothers me when the minions parrot paul’s anti-nike stance for no other apparent reason than because they must feel it’s fun to dis nike

    [quote]Were talking about uniforms here, which is like half a step below practice. Please try to save your moral outrage for something else.[/quote]

    practice? we’re talkin’ practice…not a game…practice

    i’ll save my moral outrage for the actual UNIFORM nike puts out, rather than bitching about a tiny logo (which IMHO is permissible, since they made the goddam thing) somewhere on that uniform…k?

  • Ricko | August 20, 2008 at 12:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”285437″][quote comment=”285431″]In the ticker item on the L.A. Kings possible new logo, there’s also reference to an Edmonton Oilers’ 30th anniversary logo

    http://i218.photobuc...

    “30 years of Oilers Hockey” “Est 1979”

    Am I missing something here? They were established in 1972 in the WHA. I know when they joined the NHL they were technically considered expansion franchises but this is just strange.

    I know the Winnipeg Jets always referred to their founding in 1972 (including the patch they wore in their final season with all three logos).[/quote]

    In 1972, the Oilers were established as the Alberta Oilers, not the Edmonton Oilers. Because they changed their designation, they technically didn’t exist in the WHA until 1973.

    It’s the same for the New Jersey Devils. They don’t include the times they were the Kansas City Scouts or Colorado Rockies in banner years. The Dallas Stars don’t include their time in Minnesota in their banner years either.

    It’s all a pile of technicalities, but the devil is in the details.[/quote]

    They’ve always been in Edmonton, though, and always been the Oilers. Wouldn’t that be a bit like the Angels deciding to claim they have existed only since they used the name “Anaheim” somewhere in their name…and therefore don’t have to admit they were a lowly expansion team in 1961? Or were once owned by some “movie cowboy”?

    I mean, it is what is…isn’t it?

  • Bryan | August 20, 2008 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”285439″]This is obviously fake, but it is kind of an interesting look.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Why is it a fake?

  • Brad | August 20, 2008 at 12:24 pm |

    http://i256.photobuc

    Always thought that was a better treatment of tiger stripes on helmet than the Bengals’. Well, other than it looks a little like a Bugle (that’s a snack food; I say that cuz I’m pretty sure no one here is familiar with junk food, LOL).

    Hmmm…both teams in dark jerseys (Harvard being the opposition). Obviously a game that wasn’t televised. Good for them, Harvard and Princeton have a long traditon of playing each other or something, don’t they?

    (rolls eyes)

    Ooops, self correction here. Not Harvard. Only one stripe on helmet, no white centerstripe pants. Don’t know who it is.

    Penn, maybe? Or Brown? Anyone?

    My friend actualli lettered in 1971 and 1972.

    According to the Helmet Project:

    http://www.nationalc

    The only Ivy league team it could have been was Cornell.

    However, here are the schedules and results for those two years:

    1971
    Coach: Jake McCandless
    Captain: Robert Wolfe
    Overall: 4-5; Ivy: 3-4
    RUTGERS L 18-33
    Columbia L 20-22
    Cornell L 8-19
    COLGATE W 35-12
    PENNSYLVANIA W 31-0
    BROWN W 49-21
    Harvard W 21-10
    YALE L 6-10
    DARTMOUTH L 7-33

    1972
    Coach: Jake McCandless
    Captain: Michael L. Kincaid
    Overall: 3-5-1; Ivy: 2-4-1
    RUTGERS W 7-6
    COLUMBIA T 0-0
    Dartmouth L 14-35
    COLGATE L 26-35
    Pennsylvania L 10-15
    BROWN W 31-10
    HARVARD W 10-7
    Yale L 7-31
    CORNELL L 15-22

    What team was Princeton playing?

    Please see my Post #54. One correction it is circa 1971-72 as opposed to 72-73.

  • Jim W | August 20, 2008 at 12:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”285453″][quote comment=”285437″][quote comment=”285431″]In the ticker item on the L.A. Kings possible new logo, there’s also reference to an Edmonton Oilers’ 30th anniversary logo

    http://i218.photobuc...

    “30 years of Oilers Hockey” “Est 1979”

    Am I missing something here? They were established in 1972 in the WHA. I know when they joined the NHL they were technically considered expansion franchises but this is just strange.

    I know the Winnipeg Jets always referred to their founding in 1972 (including the patch they wore in their final season with all three logos).[/quote]

    In 1972, the Oilers were established as the Alberta Oilers, not the Edmonton Oilers. Because they changed their designation, they technically didn’t exist in the WHA until 1973.

    It’s the same for the New Jersey Devils. They don’t include the times they were the Kansas City Scouts or Colorado Rockies in banner years. The Dallas Stars don’t include their time in Minnesota in their banner years either.

    It’s all a pile of technicalities, but the devil is in the details.[/quote]

    They’ve always been in Edmonton, though, and always been the Oilers. Wouldn’t that be a bit like the Angels deciding to claim they have existed only since they used the name “Anaheim” somewhere in their name…and therefore don’t have to admit they were a lowly expansion team in 1961? Or were once owned by some “movie cowboy”?

    I mean, it is what is…isn’t it?[/quote]

    I agree – it’s a bit odd and they’ve always used 78/79 as the base year – Chris Creamer has the 10th and 25th Anniversary patches here:

    http://www.sportslog...

    http://www.sportslog...

    And here’s the Jet’s 10th Anniversary which makes way more sense:

    http://www.sportslog...

  • Jim | August 20, 2008 at 12:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”285450″]why hasn’t this site(writers, not fans) done a little report on the new Timberwolves unis? Is Paul waiting until every NBA has introduced their new duds for this upcoming season?

    Also, is there any rhyme or reason to Japan’s “galaxy” uniform?[/quote]

    OK, got to change my ‘handle’ Too many Jim’s (imagine that)

    I know i’ve said it before, but this time I will do it…

    maybee something to do with hockey…

  • Ricko | August 20, 2008 at 12:30 pm |

    Remembering thinking at the time that those Princeton unis were a really great combination of old school (meaning the jerseys) with the contemporary look of the time. Only the body of the road jerseys was white, sleeves remained fully black with orange stripes.

    Good recipe: Take one highly recognizable vintage element and weave it into a uni suitable for the present era.

    Come to think of it, still haven’t seen a better one. Not in football.

    —Ricko

  • Kek | August 20, 2008 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”285454″][quote comment=”285439″]This is obviously fake, but it is kind of an interesting look.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Why is it a fake?[/quote]
    A. Van Slyke was long gone before the bucs introduced a vest.

    B. That vest has never existed. It is simply the away jersey from ’91-’96 (actually the script Pittsburgh debuted in ’90 but was still a pullover) with no sleeves. The Bucs didn’t introduce a vest until 2001 with opening of PNC Park

  • duckstyle | August 20, 2008 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”285451″][quote comment=”285442″]Lets not get all crazy now. Purple is bad.[/quote]

    That’s your opinion, which you’re certainly entitled to. Some of us don’t quite have the aversion to purple as you and your messiah.[/quote]

    Yes it is my opinion, and it was also a joke. Now why don’t you lay off the prick juice for a minute and not assume I bow down to everything the writier of the blog says. I just happen to agree that purple is an ugly color, that ok with you, or do you need to add in an extra attempts to seem “holier than thou”? Seriously, who kicked your dog? Why are you so hell bent on attacking everyone here?

  • Mr. Met | August 20, 2008 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”285454″][quote comment=”285439″]This is obviously fake, but it is kind of an interesting look.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Why is it a fake?[/quote]

    [a] MLB jerseys have NEVER had a manufacturer’s logo at the base of the neck. They started putting the MLB logo there in 2000, I think.

    [b] Bucs didn’t adopt the vests until 2001; Van Slyke was long retired by that point.

    [c] The number font may be wrong as well:

    http://www.fsu.edu/~...

  • u2-horn | August 20, 2008 at 12:32 pm |

    [quote]Second, the NFL has completely whored itself out to Reebok, which we knew, but perhaps not to that extent.[/quote]

    Is there a link missing in there?

  • Jim W | August 20, 2008 at 12:33 pm |

    OK, got to change my ‘handle’ Too many Jim’s (imagine that)

    I know i’ve said it before, but this time I will do it…

    maybee something to do with hockey…[/quote]

    OK – I’ll do the same… sorry about the non-creativity – I’ll have to think of something (How about “The UW Poster Formerly Known as Jim W”?

  • Johnny Poontang | August 20, 2008 at 12:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”285460″][quote comment=”285451″][quote comment=”285442″]Lets not get all crazy now. Purple is bad.[/quote]

    That’s your opinion, which you’re certainly entitled to. Some of us don’t quite have the aversion to purple as you and your messiah.[/quote]

    Yes it is my opinion, and it was also a joke. Now why don’t you lay off the prick juice for a minute and not assume I bow down to everything the writier of the blog says. I just happen to agree that purple is an ugly color, that ok with you, or do you need to add in an extra attempts to seem “holier than thou”? Seriously, who kicked your dog? Why are you so hell bent on attacking everyone here?[/quote]

    “Why don’t you lay off the prick juice”? “Who kicked your dog”? And I’m “hell bent” on attacking people?

    And it’s OK if you think that purple is an ugly color. Whether it’s OK with me is irrelevant. Again, that’s your opinion, which you’re certainly entitled to. And again, some of us don’t quite have the aversion to purple as you and your messiah.

  • Mikee | August 20, 2008 at 12:36 pm |

    “What’s going on down there?” Classic quote!

    That VA Tech promotion is not very PC but those helmets rock…

  • jesse | August 20, 2008 at 12:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”285461″][quote comment=”285454″][quote comment=”285439″]This is obviously fake, but it is kind of an interesting look.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Why is it a fake?[/quote]

    [a] MLB jerseys have NEVER had a manufacturer’s logo at the base of the neck. They started putting the MLB logo there in 2000, I think.

    [b] Bucs didn’t adopt the vests until 2001; Van Slyke was long retired by that point.

    [c] The number font may be wrong as well:

    http://www.fsu.edu/~...

    It looks like the number font is wrong for 1990, but not for 2001. I really liked that “Pittsburgh” pullover, I’m not sure if I like this vest better than the current one though.

  • Mr. Met | August 20, 2008 at 12:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”285466″]It looks like the number font is wrong for 1990, but not for 2001. I really liked that “Pittsburgh” pullover, I’m not sure if I like this vest better than the current one though.[/quote]

    Oops, that’s what I meant. The number font would be wrong for a Van Slyke jersey, but not for the vests.

  • Teebz | August 20, 2008 at 12:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”285453″]
    They’ve always been in Edmonton, though, and always been the Oilers. Wouldn’t that be a bit like the Angels deciding to claim they have existed only since they used the name “Anaheim” somewhere in their name…and therefore don’t have to admit they were a lowly expansion team in 1961? Or were once owned by some “movie cowboy”?

    I mean, it is what is…isn’t it?[/quote]

    Considering the history they had in the WHA, perhaps they just want to forget it ever happened? ;o)

    Seriously, I can’t explain why they let go of their WHA history, but the Jets were the one team that everyone in Winnipeg loved. It might have been due to that Hull guy bringing respectability to the franchise, but the Jets were huge as a WHA team.

    Secondly, the ownership group changed hands in the offseason between the 77-78 and 78-79 seasons. Nelson Skalbania sold the team to Peter Pocklington, and he carried the team into the NHL. Since the majority of anniversaries coincided with Pock’s purchase and move to the NHL after the WHA folded, it might be easier to carry on the timeline than to disrupt a pile of historical chronological landmarks.

    Just another take on it, though.

  • Mr. Met | August 20, 2008 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”285466″]It looks like the number font is wrong for 1990, but not for 2001. I really liked that “Pittsburgh” pullover, I’m not sure if I like this vest better than the current one though.[/quote]

    What’s more disturbing is the trend towards listing anything that has sewn-on numbers as “authentic”, even though clearly it is not.

    Caveat emptor.

  • jesse | August 20, 2008 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”285466″][quote comment=”285461″][quote comment=”285454″][quote comment=”285439″]This is obviously fake, but it is kind of an interesting look.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Why is it a fake?[/quote]

    [a] MLB jerseys have NEVER had a manufacturer’s logo at the base of the neck. They started putting the MLB logo there in 2000, I think.

    [b] Bucs didn’t adopt the vests until 2001; Van Slyke was long retired by that point.

    [c] The number font may be wrong as well:

    http://www.fsu.edu/~...

    It looks like the number font is wrong for 1990, but not for 2001. I really liked that “Pittsburgh” pullover, I’m not sure if I like this vest better than the current one though.[/quote]

    Ugh…the bid is already for that, is there anything you can do to warn them? That is not an authentic jersey, and somebody is paying a premium for it like it is.

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    Not sure if this has been posted before, but PLEASE HELP BANISH THE AWFUL ALL-BROWN PANTS worn Monday night by the Cleveland Browns.

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  • Bryan | August 20, 2008 at 12:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”285466″][quote comment=”285461″][quote comment=”285454″][quote comment=”285439″]This is obviously fake, but it is kind of an interesting look.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Why is it a fake?[/quote]

    [a] MLB jerseys have NEVER had a manufacturer’s logo at the base of the neck. They started putting the MLB logo there in 2000, I think.

    [b] Bucs didn’t adopt the vests until 2001; Van Slyke was long retired by that point.

    [c] The number font may be wrong as well:

    http://www.fsu.edu/~...

    It looks like the number font is wrong for 1990, but not for 2001. I really liked that “Pittsburgh” pullover, I’m not sure if I like this vest better than the current one though.[/quote]
    thanks

  • chance | August 20, 2008 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”285464″][quote comment=”285460″][quote comment=”285451″][quote comment=”285442″]Lets not get all crazy now. Purple is bad.[/quote]

    That’s your opinion, which you’re certainly entitled to. Some of us don’t quite have the aversion to purple as you and your messiah.[/quote]

    Yes it is my opinion, and it was also a joke. Now why don’t you lay off the prick juice for a minute and not assume I bow down to everything the writier of the blog says. I just happen to agree that purple is an ugly color, that ok with you, or do you need to add in an extra attempts to seem “holier than thou”? Seriously, who kicked your dog? Why are you so hell bent on attacking everyone here?[/quote]

    “Why don’t you lay off the prick juice”? “Who kicked your dog”? And I’m “hell bent” on attacking people?

    And it’s OK if you think that purple is an ugly color. Whether it’s OK with me is irrelevant. Again, that’s your opinion, which you’re certainly entitled to. And again, some of us don’t quite have the aversion to purple as you and your messiah.[/quote]

    He’s saying that the cult jokes are old. You probably don’t realize it, but it’s pretty standard for people to come here and make cracks about lemmings or marching in lock-step. Your jokes about minions and messiahs are only the latest.

    It’s silly, it’s boring, and it’s not productive.

  • Nate | August 20, 2008 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”285400″]you know, looking at the new Georgia Tech swag, I gotta say, as bad as the football unis are, I actually don’t mind most of the rest of it. And, probably because I am a die-hard Tech fan, but the gold top/white bottom combo on the football uni is actually OK (still not digging the white ones, though). I think that horizontal chest stripe needs to go, and I wish they would have used regular stripes on the pants instead of those funky ones, but not too bad overall. I love the return to Old Gold.

    I still don’t get the pink for the lady’s hoops, but whatever.

    ~E~[/quote]
    It looks like the baseball unis are the same design as the LLWS USA teams are wearing.

  • Ricko | August 20, 2008 at 12:53 pm |

    “Since the majority of anniversaries coincided with Pock’s purchase and move to the NHL after the WHA folded, it might be easier to carry on the timeline than to disrupt a pile of historical chronological landmarks.”

    Speaking of technicalities, did the WHA fold and the Jets, Oilers, Nordiques and Whalers wander around looking for a place to go?

    Always thought it was a “merger” in the sense the NBA-ABA merger involved a few teams in coming in and few being left by the wayside.

    I just think it’s SO nouveau riche. “Oh, my, no, my parents didn’t live in a trailer until oil was discovered in our water well. I grew up in the Hampton’s.” wink-wink

  • E_Ro | August 20, 2008 at 12:54 pm |

    “Michigan’s new replica Adidas sweaters”

    As someone who has been very disappointed in the U-M nike replica sweater quality, these michigan adidas sweaters look pretty good, hell they even come with a ccha logo properly stitched in.

    I’m interested to see if they’ll stick with Bauer as their equipment supplier now that Nike Bauer are separate.

    [quote comment=”285419″]The yellow Michigan jersey with the New York Rangers-style diagonal lettering is awesome. I’d like to see that in blue, too.
    Runoff[/quote]

    U-M started wearing the diagonal lettering during the 2006-2007 year. I was very happy to see them can the “michigan” script. I do like those new whites though.

  • Johnny Poontang | August 20, 2008 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”285473″]He’s saying that the cult jokes are old. You probably don’t realize it, but it’s pretty standard for people to come here and make cracks about lemmings or marching in lock-step. Your jokes about minions and messiahs are only the latest.

    It’s silly, it’s boring, and it’s not productive.[/quote]

    I get it. Sort of when someone expresses a different opinion than the masses and someone jumps on with “this guy just doesn’t ‘get it'”. I mean, if anything is an old joke, certainly that qualifies. And let me also point out that assailing someone who doesn’t agree with your opinion as “not ‘getting it'” is silly, boring and not productive as well.

    The day you guys stop responding to contrary opinions with “he doesn’t ‘get it'” is the day that you guys stop getting called lemmings, a cult, etc. But seeing as how it’s not going to happen anytime soon, then I suppose we both just have to deal with it, hmmm?

    Thanks for clearing that up, though.

  • Nate | August 20, 2008 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”285448″]I haven’t picked up the last few editions of Madden, but since when did Reebok’s logo start getting plastered all over the cleats? I remember the shoes just used to be generic…

    http://assets.nydail...
    Pretty recently. I have Madden 06 and the shoes don’t have Reebok logos on them.

  • James Craven | August 20, 2008 at 12:58 pm |

    As for the Spanish synchronized swimmers, quoting Craig Charles from his stint as the host of Takeshi’s Castle (better known in the USA as MXC) in the UK:

    [quote]“If one synchronized swimmer drowns, do they all have to drown? Answers on a postcard, please.”[/quote]

  • My Name is Not Earl | August 20, 2008 at 1:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”285426″]If the IOC has a ban on national sports federation emblems on Olympic team uniforms, how did the 1992 Dream Team get away with this? (aside from being super-mega-awesome, of course…)
    [/quote]

    Who’s the skinny guy between Mullin and Daly in the photo?

  • chance | August 20, 2008 at 1:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”285477″][quote comment=”285473″]He’s saying that the cult jokes are old. You probably don’t realize it, but it’s pretty standard for people to come here and make cracks about lemmings or marching in lock-step. Your jokes about minions and messiahs are only the latest.

    It’s silly, it’s boring, and it’s not productive.[/quote]

    I get it. Sort of when someone expresses a different opinion than the masses and someone jumps on with “this guy just doesn’t ‘get it'”.

    I mean, if anything is an old joke, certainly that qualifies. And let me also point out that assailing someone who doesn’t agree with your opinion as “not ‘getting it'” is silly, boring and not productive as well.

    The day you guys stop responding to contrary opinions with “he doesn’t ‘get it'” is the day that you guys stop getting called lemmings, a cult, etc. But seeing as how it’s not going to happen anytime soon, then I suppose we both just have to deal with it, hmmm?

    Thanks for clearing that up, though.[/quote]

    “getting it” is tongue in cheek. That’s why people use the little (TM) symbol. Maybe that doesn’t come through on a message board. If your comments were intended to be as such, they don’t come through that way either (although based on your response, they weren’t).

    Paul has strong opinions. We joke about them, even if we don’t share them. I, for one, don’t have any strong feelings about purple. But we recognize that this is his site, his rules. One of those “If I Ran The World” goofs, except here it’s true for him.

    We can disagree with him without namecalling, or being called names in return.

    Tends to beg the question, though – if you are so bothered by the basic premise of this site, why invest so much energy in it?

  • Mr. Met | August 20, 2008 at 1:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”285470″]

    Ugh…the bid is already for that, is there anything you can do to warn them? That is not an authentic jersey, and somebody is paying a premium for it like it is.[/quote]

    Sadly. I don’t think these bidders would even care. Somehow, “sewn-on lettering” has become the new word for “authentic”. I could just imagine a conversation between the winning bidder and his Uniwatch-reading friend:

    “Hey, I got this AUTHENTIC Andy Van Slyke jersey on eBay! Isn’t it sweet?”

    “Dude, that’s not authentic. That Russell logo doesn’t belong on the neck, the Pirates didn’t wear vests when Slick played for them and the number font is wrong as well”.

    “Yeah, but the letters are SEWN-ON, dude. That makes it authentic!”

    “*Sigh*, dude, those letters are glued-on.”

    “Listen, I… wait, what?”

  • Jim W | August 20, 2008 at 1:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”285468″][quote comment=”285453″]
    They’ve always been in Edmonton, though, and always been the Oilers. Wouldn’t that be a bit like the Angels deciding to claim they have existed only since they used the name “Anaheim” somewhere in their name…and therefore don’t have to admit they were a lowly expansion team in 1961? Or were once owned by some “movie cowboy”?

    I mean, it is what is…isn’t it?[/quote]

    Considering the history they had in the WHA, perhaps they just want to forget it ever happened? ;o)

    Seriously, I can’t explain why they let go of their WHA history, but the Jets were the one team that everyone in Winnipeg loved. It might have been due to that Hull guy bringing respectability to the franchise, but the Jets were huge as a WHA team.

    Secondly, the ownership group changed hands in the offseason between the 77-78 and 78-79 seasons. Nelson Skalbania sold the team to Peter Pocklington, and he carried the team into the NHL. Since the majority of anniversaries coincided with Pock’s purchase and move to the NHL after the WHA folded, it might be easier to carry on the timeline than to disrupt a pile of historical chronological landmarks.

    Just another take on it, though.[/quote]

    And a good take it is Teebz – I had another quick look at Chris Creamer’s site – the Jets, Whalers and Nords all did the 10th Anniversary patch in 81/82 so it must be a Pock thing in Edmonton.

  • big matt | August 20, 2008 at 1:07 pm |

    I get it. Sort of when someone expresses a different opinion than the masses and someone jumps on with “this guy just doesn’t ‘get it'”.

    I mean, if anything is an old joke, certainly that qualifies. And let me also point out that assailing someone who doesn’t agree with your opinion as “not ‘getting it'” is silly, boring and not productive as well.

    The day you guys stop responding to contrary opinions with “he doesn’t ‘get it'” is the day that you guys stop getting called lemmings, a cult, etc. But seeing as how it’s not going to happen anytime soon, then I suppose we both just have to deal with it, hmmm?

    Thanks for clearing that up, though.[/quote]

    I get it. Sort of when someone expresses a different opinion than the masses and someone jumps on with “this guy just doesn’t ‘get it'”.

    I mean, if anything is an old joke, certainly that qualifies. And let me also point out that assailing someone who doesn’t agree with your opinion as “not ‘getting it'” is silly, boring and not productive as well.

    The day you guys stop responding to contrary opinions with “he doesn’t ‘get it'” is the day that you guys stop getting called lemmings, a cult, etc. But seeing as how it’s not going to happen anytime soon, then I suppose we both just have to deal with it, hmmm?

    Thanks for clearing that up, though.[/quote]

    LOL!! Amen. My thoughts exactly. In fact, I have been WARNED in a private email from the Messiah not to be critical of his beliefs or those of his followers.

  • big matt | August 20, 2008 at 1:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”285477″][quote comment=”285473″]He’s saying that the cult jokes are old. You probably don’t realize it, but it’s pretty standard for people to come here and make cracks about lemmings or marching in lock-step. Your jokes about minions and messiahs are only the latest.

    It’s silly, it’s boring, and it’s not productive.[/quote]

    I get it. Sort of when someone expresses a different opinion than the masses and someone jumps on with “this guy just doesn’t ‘get it'”.

    I mean, if anything is an old joke, certainly that qualifies. And let me also point out that assailing someone who doesn’t agree with your opinion as “not ‘getting it'” is silly, boring and not productive as well.

    The day you guys stop responding to contrary opinions with “he doesn’t ‘get it'” is the day that you guys stop getting called lemmings, a cult, etc. But seeing as how it’s not going to happen anytime soon, then I suppose we both just have to deal with it, hmmm?

    Thanks for clearing that up, though.[/quote]

    LOL!! Amen. My thoughts exactly. In fact, I have been WARNED in a private email from the Messiah not to be critical of his beliefs or those of his followers.

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 1:19 pm |

    anyone see the “I WON’T CHEAT” patch being worn on the LLWS participants’ sleeves?
    (full story)

    i hope we can discuss some of the aspects of the LLWS some day…still not sure why it’s verboten

  • Jim MI (longtime poster, formally on of many Jims) | August 20, 2008 at 1:23 pm |

    New Handle

    Kind of a play on words, if you say it fast sounds like ‘Jimmy’ Some of my family still call me ‘Jimmy’ from when I was younger.

    And MI shows what state I live in.

    Unoriginal, i know, but gets the job done.

  • Mike Engle | August 20, 2008 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”285480″][quote comment=”285426″]If the IOC has a ban on national sports federation emblems on Olympic team uniforms, how did the 1992 Dream Team get away with this? (aside from being super-mega-awesome, of course…)
    [/quote]
    #10? That’s Clyde Drexler. Behind him is #14 Charles Barkley.
    Who’s the skinny guy between Mullin and Daly in the photo?[/quote]

  • Kek | August 20, 2008 at 1:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”285466″][quote comment=”285461″][quote comment=”285454″][quote comment=”285439″]This is obviously fake, but it is kind of an interesting look.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Why is it a fake?[/quote]

    [a] MLB jerseys have NEVER had a manufacturer’s logo at the base of the neck. They started putting the MLB logo there in 2000, I think.

    [b] Bucs didn’t adopt the vests until 2001; Van Slyke was long retired by that point.

    [c] The number font may be wrong as well:

    http://www.fsu.edu/~...

    It looks like the number font is wrong for 1990, but not for 2001. I really liked that “Pittsburgh” pullover, I’m not sure if I like this vest better than the current one though.[/quote]
    I too liked that “Pittsburgh” pullover, and the buttons that followed. I have a Jim Leyland #10 and used to have the old starter dugout jacket based on it. I loved that jacket!

    I sported the Leyland jersey at RFK the first time the Bucs played the Nats and got more comments on that jersey than on any other jersey I ever have worn (the Rams Namath was a close second)

    In other jersey talk, I saw my first SATAN #81 Pens jersey during a Steelers’ pregame tailgate a few weeks back. Good looking jersey, but I don’t see him staying around for more than one season.

  • Jim MI (longtime poster, formally on of many Jims) | August 20, 2008 at 1:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”285489″][quote comment=”285466″][quote comment=”285461″][quote comment=”285454″][quote comment=”285439″]This is obviously fake, but it is kind of an interesting look.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Why is it a fake?[/quote]

    [a] MLB jerseys have NEVER had a manufacturer’s logo at the base of the neck. They started putting the MLB logo there in 2000, I think.

    [b] Bucs didn’t adopt the vests until 2001; Van Slyke was long retired by that point.

    [c] The number font may be wrong as well:

    http://www.fsu.edu/~...

    It looks like the number font is wrong for 1990, but not for 2001. I really liked that “Pittsburgh” pullover, I’m not sure if I like this vest better than the current one though.[/quote]
    I too liked that “Pittsburgh” pullover, and the buttons that followed. I have a Jim Leyland #10 and used to have the old starter dugout jacket based on it. I loved that jacket!

    I sported the Leyland jersey at RFK the first time the Bucs played the Nats and got more comments on that jersey than on any other jersey I ever have worn (the Rams Namath was a close second)

    In other jersey talk, I saw my first SATAN #81 Pens jersey during a Steelers’ pregame tailgate a few weeks back. Good looking jersey, but I don’t see him staying around for more than one season.[/quote]

    Yeah when I look to get a new hockey jersey, I look for longevity of the player. Always wonder if some people regret their jersey selections sometimes.

    I’ve seen a guy around Joe Louis Arena (Red Wings home ice) with a Bertuzzi Red Wings jersey. Always wanted to ask him how he felt about that. See a random Clark (Wendel Clark) Wings jersey too every now and then.

  • Craig D | August 20, 2008 at 1:42 pm |

    Do they make a “Non Uni Related Content” filter? Im Kidding!! Ha! I’ll be here all week. Please don’t bash me.

    Oh yeah…Browns in brown pants…played like they crapped in them….let’s never speak of them again. (Uni related content…you know…so I don’t get filtered)

  • MPowers1634 | August 20, 2008 at 1:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”285455″]http://i256.photobuc…

    Always thought that was a better treatment of tiger stripes on helmet than the Bengals’. Well, other than it looks a little like a Bugle (that’s a snack food; I say that cuz I’m pretty sure no one here is familiar with junk food, LOL).

    Hmmm…both teams in dark jerseys (Harvard being the opposition). Obviously a game that wasn’t televised. Good for them, Harvard and Princeton have a long traditon of playing each other or something, don’t they?

    (rolls eyes)

    Ooops, self correction here. Not Harvard. Only one stripe on helmet, no white centerstripe pants. Don’t know who it is.

    Penn, maybe? Or Brown? Anyone?

    My friend actualli lettered in 1971 and 1972.

    According to the Helmet Project:

    http://www.nationalc

    The only Ivy league team it could have been was Cornell.

    However, here are the schedules and results for those two years:

    1971
    Coach: Jake McCandless
    Captain: Robert Wolfe
    Overall: 4-5; Ivy: 3-4
    RUTGERS L 18-33
    Columbia L 20-22
    Cornell L 8-19
    COLGATE W 35-12
    PENNSYLVANIA W 31-0
    BROWN W 49-21
    Harvard W 21-10
    YALE L 6-10
    DARTMOUTH L 7-33

    1972
    Coach: Jake McCandless
    Captain: Michael L. Kincaid
    Overall: 3-5-1; Ivy: 2-4-1
    RUTGERS W 7-6
    COLUMBIA T 0-0
    Dartmouth L 14-35
    COLGATE L 26-35
    Pennsylvania L 10-15
    BROWN W 31-10
    HARVARD W 10-7
    Yale L 7-31
    CORNELL L 15-22

    What team was Princeton playing?

    Please see my Post #54. One correction it is circa 1971-72 as opposed to 72-73.[/quote]

    1. Sorry for not reading a few posts befor mine!
    2. Great First-Hand info, Brad…that is some coincidence…the player was Larry Chollet.
    3. After looking thorugh the Helmet Project, I concluded that it could only be Cornell, Colgate, or Rutgers!

  • Jim MI (longtime poster, formally on of many Jims) | August 20, 2008 at 1:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”285490″][quote comment=”285489″][quote comment=”285466″][quote comment=”285461″][quote comment=”285454″][quote comment=”285439″]This is obviously fake, but it is kind of an interesting look.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Why is it a fake?[/quote]

    [a] MLB jerseys have NEVER had a manufacturer’s logo at the base of the neck. They started putting the MLB logo there in 2000, I think.

    [b] Bucs didn’t adopt the vests until 2001; Van Slyke was long retired by that point.

    [c] The number font may be wrong as well:

    http://www.fsu.edu/~...

    It looks like the number font is wrong for 1990, but not for 2001. I really liked that “Pittsburgh” pullover, I’m not sure if I like this vest better than the current one though.[/quote]
    I too liked that “Pittsburgh” pullover, and the buttons that followed. I have a Jim Leyland #10 and used to have the old starter dugout jacket based on it. I loved that jacket!

    I sported the Leyland jersey at RFK the first time the Bucs played the Nats and got more comments on that jersey than on any other jersey I ever have worn (the Rams Namath was a close second)

    In other jersey talk, I saw my first SATAN #81 Pens jersey during a Steelers’ pregame tailgate a few weeks back. Good looking jersey, but I don’t see him staying around for more than one season.[/quote]

    Yeah when I look to get a new hockey jersey, I look for longevity of the player. Always wonder if some people regret their jersey selections sometimes.

    I’ve seen a guy around Joe Louis Arena (Red Wings home ice) with a Bertuzzi Red Wings jersey. Always wanted to ask him how he felt about that. See a random Clark (Wendel Clark) Wings jersey too every now and then.[/quote]

    Although I was very tempted to buy a ‘Lindros’ Quebec Nordiques jersey once, just for spite. I hate it when draft picks try to pick what team they want to play for (Lindros, Manning, Elway). Teams pick the draft picks, not the other way around. You should be happy you are playing in a professional league.

  • Mike Engle | August 20, 2008 at 1:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”285486″]anyone see the “I WON’T CHEAT” patch being worn on the LLWS participants’ sleeves?
    (full story)
    Notice how the i in “I Won’t Cheat” is in lowercase, while the rest in ALL CAPS? Wow. Brain trust over-thought that one. Is it a symbol of “I am not bigger than the game, thus I will not cheat it?” Or is it a sly ad for Steve Jobs’ iCompany, makers of iPods, iMacs, and iPhones?
    i hope we can discuss some of the aspects of the LLWS some day…still not sure why it’s verboten[/quote]

  • Ed | August 20, 2008 at 1:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”285480″][quote comment=”285426″]If the IOC has a ban on national sports federation emblems on Olympic team uniforms, how did the 1992 Dream Team get away with this? (aside from being super-mega-awesome, of course…)
    [/quote]

    Who’s the skinny guy between Mullin and Daly in the photo?[/quote]
    Isn’t that Spud Webb?

  • Mike Engle | August 20, 2008 at 1:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”285494″][quote comment=”285486″]anyone see the “I WON’T CHEAT” patch being worn on the LLWS participants’ sleeves?
    (full story)

    i hope we can discuss some of the aspects of the LLWS some day…still not sure why it’s verboten[/quote][/quote]
    Formatting error. I’ll try that again.
    Notice how the i in “I Won’t Cheat” is in lowercase, while the rest in ALL CAPS? Wow. Brain trust over-thought that one. Is it a symbol of “I am not bigger than the game, thus I will not cheat it?” Or is it a sly ad for Steve Jobs’ iCompany, makers of iPods, iMacs, and iPhones?

  • Mike Engle | August 20, 2008 at 1:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”285495″][quote comment=”285480″][quote comment=”285426″]If the IOC has a ban on national sports federation emblems on Olympic team uniforms, how did the 1992 Dream Team get away with this? (aside from being super-mega-awesome, of course…)
    [/quote]
    I said, Drexler.
    Who’s the skinny guy between Mullin and Daly in the photo?[/quote]
    Isn’t that Spud Webb?[/quote]

  • jesse | August 20, 2008 at 1:53 pm |

    In other jersey talk, I saw my first SATAN #81 Pens jersey during a Steelers’ pregame tailgate a few weeks back. Good looking jersey, but I don’t see him staying around for more than one season.

    Yeah when I look to get a new hockey jersey, I look for longevity of the player. Always wonder if some people regret their jersey selections sometimes.

    I don’t necessarily look for longevity of the player, but I look for certain “timeless historical relevance”. If there is something special about the jersey, it would be okay, even if the guy only played one year.

    I have a 75th anniversary Steeler jersey that I like better than just a regular jersey for just that reason, I think it will hold up even if Troy Polamalu never plays another down for the Steelers. Although, I did make sure he signed a contract extension before I bought it.

    There is just a morass of grey area, and a touch of risk, in jersey purchasing. IMO that’s part of the fun.

  • Kek | August 20, 2008 at 1:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”285498″]In other jersey talk, I saw my first SATAN #81 Pens jersey during a Steelers’ pregame tailgate a few weeks back. Good looking jersey, but I don’t see him staying around for more than one season.

    Yeah when I look to get a new hockey jersey, I look for longevity of the player. Always wonder if some people regret their jersey selections sometimes.

    I don’t necessarily look for longevity of the player, but I look for certain “timeless historical relevance”. If there is something special about the jersey, it would be okay, even if the guy only played one year.

    I have a 75th anniversary Steeler jersey that I like better than just a regular jersey for just that reason, I think it will hold up even if Troy Polamalu never plays another down for the Steelers. Although, I did make sure he signed a contract extension before I bought it.

    There is just a morass of grey area, and a touch of risk, in jersey purchasing. IMO that’s part of the fun.[/quote]
    Yeah, but they’re wearing that jersey, sans the 75th anniverary patch this year. But your point is well taken that Troy was around for that year that the jersey was worn.

  • jesse | August 20, 2008 at 2:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”285499″][quote comment=”285498″]In other jersey talk, I saw my first SATAN #81 Pens jersey during a Steelers’ pregame tailgate a few weeks back. Good looking jersey, but I don’t see him staying around for more than one season.

    Yeah when I look to get a new hockey jersey, I look for longevity of the player. Always wonder if some people regret their jersey selections sometimes.

    I don’t necessarily look for longevity of the player, but I look for certain “timeless historical relevance”. If there is something special about the jersey, it would be okay, even if the guy only played one year.

    I have a 75th anniversary Steeler jersey that I like better than just a regular jersey for just that reason, I think it will hold up even if Troy Polamalu never plays another down for the Steelers. Although, I did make sure he signed a contract extension before I bought it.

    There is just a morass of grey area, and a touch of risk, in jersey purchasing. IMO that’s part of the fun.[/quote]
    Yeah, but they’re wearing that jersey, sans the 75th anniverary patch this year. But your point is well taken that Troy was around for that year that the jersey was worn.[/quote]

    It’s just the road white Steeler jersey, not the black throwback. IMO the patch makes different it and just a little bit cooler.

  • Kerry P | August 20, 2008 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”285422″]PRESS RELEASE FROM THE NEW ORLEANS HORNETS:
    Please note that today’s logo and uniform launch at Tipitina’s (French Quarter) at 2 p.m. central will be broadcast on Hornets.com in a live stream. Tune in to be the first to see the updated logos and new uniforms modeled by Hornets forwards Morris Peterson and Julian Wright. Each of the updated designs was inspired by the New Orleans culture, architecture and future and marks an exciting new chapter for the Hornets organization![/quote]
    Thanks for the heads up on the Hornets! Is this the Chris Mycoskie from the news in Baton Rouge?

  • MPowers1634 | August 20, 2008 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”285497″][quote comment=”285495″][quote comment=”285480″][quote comment=”285426″]If the IOC has a ban on national sports federation emblems on Olympic team uniforms, how did the 1992 Dream Team get away with this? (aside from being super-mega-awesome, of course…)
    [/quote]
    I said, Drexler.
    Who’s the skinny guy between Mullin and Daly in the photo?[/quote]
    Isn’t that Spud Webb?[/quote][/quote]

    The “Not as Much as Usual” Round Mound of Rebound

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”285496″][quote comment=”285494″][quote comment=”285486″]anyone see the “I WON’T CHEAT” patch being worn on the LLWS participants’ sleeves?
    (full story)

    i hope we can discuss some of the aspects of the LLWS some day…still not sure why it’s verboten[/quote][/quote]
    Formatting error. I’ll try that again.
    Notice how the i in “I Won’t Cheat” is in lowercase, while the rest in ALL CAPS? Wow. Brain trust over-thought that one. Is it a symbol of “I am not bigger than the game, thus I will not cheat it?” Or is it a sly ad for Steve Jobs’ iCompany, makers of iPods, iMacs, and iPhones?[/quote]

    nope…but you are correct about the lower case i

    apparently it’s some kind of anti-baroid/mac deal

  • Teebz | August 20, 2008 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”285475″]”Since the majority of anniversaries coincided with Pock’s purchase and move to the NHL after the WHA folded, it might be easier to carry on the timeline than to disrupt a pile of historical chronological landmarks.”

    Speaking of technicalities, did the WHA fold and the Jets, Oilers, Nordiques and Whalers wander around looking for a place to go?

    Always thought it was a “merger” in the sense the NBA-ABA merger involved a few teams in coming in and few being left by the wayside.

    I just think it’s SO nouveau riche. “Oh, my, no, my parents didn’t live in a trailer until oil was discovered in our water well. I grew up in the Hampton’s.” wink-wink[/quote]

    In terms of the merger, the NHL and WHA agreed to merge in early 1979. Under the terms of the agreement, the NHL decided that the four most-stable franchises would join the NHL: Edmonton, Hartford (New England), Winnipeg, and Quebec. Cincinnati and Birmingham were paid $1.5 million apiece. Under the conditions of the deal, the NHL would never recognize any WHA achievements as being legitimate pro hockey achievements (which would explain Edmonton’s resetting of the clock in their history).

    Ironically, the NHL vote for the merger went down in a 12-for vs. 5-against vote. Boston voted against due to sharing their market with Hartford. Los Angeles and Vancouver voted against over fears of losing home dates against the eastern teams like Montreal, Boston, and the NYR. Montreal and Toronto voted against because their share of the Hockey Night In Canada money would now be split five ways instead of two. Harold Ballard of the Leafs also voted against the merge because of his hatred of the WHA. Several of the WHA teams signed players from the Leafs as they had grown tired of Ballard’s penny-pinching ways.

  • S. Bennett | August 20, 2008 at 2:14 pm |

    quote comment=”285498″]In other jersey talk, I saw my first SATAN #81 Pens jersey during a Steelers’ pregame tailgate a few weeks back. Good looking jersey, but I don’t see him staying around for more than one season.

    Yeah when I look to get a new hockey jersey, I look for longevity of the player. Always wonder if some people regret their jersey selections sometimes.

    I don’t necessarily look for longevity of the player, but I look for certain “timeless historical relevance”. If there is something special about the jersey, it would be okay, even if the guy only played one year.

    I have a 75th anniversary Steeler jersey that I like better than just a regular jersey for just that reason, I think it will hold up even if Troy Polamalu never plays another down for the Steelers. Although, I did make sure he signed a contract extension before I bought it.

    There is just a morass of grey area, and a touch of risk, in jersey purchasing. IMO that’s part of the fun.[/quote]

    That’s why I fly close to the coast. The classics never let you down. Bossy away, Nystrom home.

    SB

  • Johnny Poontang | August 20, 2008 at 2:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”285481″]Tends to beg the question, though – if you are so bothered by the basic premise of this site, why invest so much energy in it?[/quote]

    I’m not bothered by the basic premise of this site. As a tool for uniform research and discussion, it’s invaluable. And I don’t “invest” anything into this site. If anything, I do my investing with money, not emotionally or energetically into a website.

    What I commented on yesterday was how Bryan runs this site differently from Paul. He chooses to discuss matters, even those that he does not agree with or those that get off topic. The back-and-forth discussion yesterday ran its course without Bryan having to get pissy and tell people to drop it, that he was going to delete their posts, or that he was going to ban someone from posting. Yes, he got close to it, and may have impliedly threatened it, but in the end, everyone knew he was in control, said their piece and moved on. And, amazingly enough, the Uniwatch World didn’t end. For my troubles, I get called “blind”. For what? Even today I have no clue, because the poster decided to begin talking about Nike, which was something that I didn’t even allude to in my post. Hell, maybe that was the problem: The fact that I didn’t bash Nike in my post. In fact, I later pointed out that I totally agreed with the points he made in his post, but my post had nothing to do with Nike or what he was talking about.

    Yes I “get it” (Jesus, now you people even have me saying it), it’s Paul’s website, it’s his own little slice of heaven, he runs the show, blah blah blah blah blah. On the other hand, I don’t know about you, but I don’t like having anyone, regardless of who it is, telling me to shut up and not discuss something because he doesn’t like the topic. That’s just me, that’s just my attitude, and it’s an attitude that has served me well, extremely well, throughout my entire life and career. You see an element in a little league uniform that you want to discuss? Bring it up! Oh wait a minute, Paul doesn’t want to talk about it. Paul thinks little leaguers are getting way too much coverage in the media. Paul has banned all little league talk on this forum. Are you serious? FUCK PAUL. Does this guy actually think a uniform discussion on an obscure blog is going to somehow aid in little leaguers over-exposure in the media? Does he think that someone asking what some patch on some kids’ uniform stands for is somehow perpetuating a deluge of media coverage on little leaguers? But sure enough, someone dared to ask a question early in the week and the response that came back was “Paul said we’re not allowed to discuss the LLWS”. You all do a far better job than anyone else can perpetuating the idea that you march in-step with Paul Lukas. What’s the worst thing that can happen? Your posts gets deleted? You get banned from posting for a couple of days? Granted, I realize that for some of you there is nothing more exciting in your lives than Uniwatchblog.com, but it’s not the end of the world. Not by a longshot.

    Maybe some of you don’t like confrontation. Maybe some of you agree with everything that Paul says. Fine. Whatever floats your boat. But just because it’s his website doesn’t make it right. And it’s a credit to Bryan that he has chosen to do the opposite and let people say their piece instead of silence them. And then to actually apologize to someone for getting testy with them was just an all-around classy move, something that in my opinion we wouldn’t see Paul do.

    And on that note, thank you Bryan for letting me say my piece. I expect the hateful, sarcastic and “witty” remarks to start shortly.

  • big matt | August 20, 2008 at 2:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”285506″][quote comment=”285481″]Tends to beg the question, though – if you are so bothered by the basic premise of this site, why invest so much energy in it?[/quote]

    I’m not bothered by the basic premise of this site. As a tool for uniform research and discussion, it’s invaluable. And I don’t “invest” anything into this site. If anything, I do my investing with money, not emotionally or energetically into a website.

    What I commented on yesterday was how Bryan runs this site differently from Paul. He chooses to discuss matters, even those that he does not agree with or those that get off topic. The back-and-forth discussion yesterday ran its course without Bryan having to get pissy and tell people to drop it, that he was going to delete their posts, or that he was going to ban someone from posting. Yes, he got close to it, and may have impliedly threatened it, but in the end, everyone knew he was in control, said their piece and moved on. And, amazingly enough, the Uniwatch World didn’t end. For my troubles, I get called “blind”. For what? Even today I have no clue, because the poster decided to begin talking about Nike, which was something that I didn’t even allude to in my post. Hell, maybe that was the problem: The fact that I didn’t bash Nike in my post. In fact, I later pointed out that I totally agreed with the points he made in his post, but my post had nothing to do with Nike or what he was talking about.

    Yes I “get it” (Jesus, now you people even have me saying it), it’s Paul’s website, it’s his own little slice of heaven, he runs the show, blah blah blah blah blah. On the other hand, I don’t know about you, but I don’t like having anyone, regardless of who it is, telling me to shut up and not discuss something because he doesn’t like the topic. That’s just me, that’s just my attitude, and it’s an attitude that has served me well, extremely well, throughout my entire life and career. You see an element in a little league uniform that you want to discuss? Bring it up! Oh wait a minute, Paul doesn’t want to talk about it. Paul thinks little leaguers are getting way too much coverage in the media. Paul has banned all little league talk on this forum. Are you serious? FUCK PAUL. Does this guy actually think a uniform discussion on an obscure blog is going to somehow aid in little leaguers over-exposure in the media? Does he think that someone asking what some patch on some kids’ uniform stands for is somehow perpetuating a deluge of media coverage on little leaguers? But sure enough, someone dared to ask a question early in the week and the response that came back was “Paul said we’re not allowed to discuss the LLWS”. You all do a far better job than anyone else can perpetuating the idea that you march in-step with Paul Lukas. What’s the worst thing that can happen? Your posts gets deleted? You get banned from posting for a couple of days? Granted, I realize that for some of you there is nothing more exciting in your lives than Uniwatchblog.com, but it’s not the end of the world. Not by a longshot.

    Maybe some of you don’t like confrontation. Maybe some of you agree with everything that Paul says. Fine. Whatever floats your boat. But just because it’s his website doesn’t make it right. And it’s a credit to Bryan that he has chosen to do the opposite and let people say their piece instead of silence them. And then to actually apologize to someone for getting testy with them was just an all-around classy move, something that in my opinion we wouldn’t see Paul do.

    And on that note, thank you Bryan for letting me say my piece. I expect the hateful, sarcastic and “witty” remarks to start shortly.[/quote]
    I agree!

  • Jim MI (longtime poster, formally on of many Jims) | August 20, 2008 at 2:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”285505″]quote comment=”285498″]In other jersey talk, I saw my first SATAN #81 Pens jersey during a Steelers’ pregame tailgate a few weeks back. Good looking jersey, but I don’t see him staying around for more than one season.

    Yeah when I look to get a new hockey jersey, I look for longevity of the player. Always wonder if some people regret their jersey selections sometimes.

    I don’t necessarily look for longevity of the player, but I look for certain “timeless historical relevance”. If there is something special about the jersey, it would be okay, even if the guy only played one year.

    I have a 75th anniversary Steeler jersey that I like better than just a regular jersey for just that reason, I think it will hold up even if Troy Polamalu never plays another down for the Steelers. Although, I did make sure he signed a contract extension before I bought it.

    There is just a morass of grey area, and a touch of risk, in jersey purchasing. IMO that’s part of the fun.[/quote]

    That’s why I fly close to the coast. The classics never let you down. Bossy away, Nystrom home.

    SB[/quote]

    I have:

    DET (white) Fedorov
    MON (white) Lafleur (NNOB)
    BOS (white 70’s era) Orr (NNOB)
    CHI (red) Blank (will be Chelios)
    TOR (white) Blank (will be Domi)
    PIT (white, triangular penguin head logo) Lemieux
    BUF (white, with black/red buffalo head logo)
    UofM (yellow, or maize)

    Want a North Stars and old school red and green NJ Devils…

  • Ed | August 20, 2008 at 2:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”285497″][quote comment=”285495″][quote comment=”285480″][quote comment=”285426″]If the IOC has a ban on national sports federation emblems on Olympic team uniforms, how did the 1992 Dream Team get away with this? (aside from being super-mega-awesome, of course…)
    [/quote]
    I said, Drexler.
    Who’s the skinny guy between Mullin and Daly in the photo?[/quote]
    Isn’t that Spud Webb?[/quote][/quote]

    I thought the question of “Who’s the skinny guy,” was referring to the trimmer-than-today Mr. Barkley. My inquiry confusing him with Mr. Webb was also clearly in jest.

  • Hurnf | August 20, 2008 at 2:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”285422″] Each of the updated designs was inspired by the New Orleans culture, architecture and future and marks an exciting new chapter for the Hornets organization![/quote]

    Does that mean there will be blurry aureolas in the motif?

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 2:31 pm |

    wow mr. tang…stones you have…im not so sure about future posting privileges though

    i still am wondering why discussing the LLWS is forbidden (or if not forbidden, why there will be no main stories or ticker items)…

    i did kind of allude to it monday…(the response came in post 141:…

    [quote]No LLWS. Come on, you know that. I don’t have time to deliver my entire manifesto on the subject.[/quote]

    im fine if the subject is off-limits, but, and im dead serious here…i would like to know why

    thanks

  • Bryan Redemske | August 20, 2008 at 2:33 pm |

    JP — you’re welcome. I don’t think I’ve done anything above and beyond in the last few days, but thanks regardless.

    As a point of clarification, I should say this: You’re not prohibited from discussing the LLWS. Go nuts, actually. There just won’t be any official Uni Watch tan-box commentary on it. That’s Paul’s choice, and an event I probably would have ignored anyway. It’s hard to find uni-oddities when everybody in the entire tournament is wearing the same stuff.

    So, again, talk about whatever you wish. But let’s steer it away from Paul’s opinions and policies.

  • Teebz | August 20, 2008 at 2:40 pm |

    I’m not going to quote the whole thing, Johnny, but here’s a comment from Adidas’ CFO, Dean Hawkins:

    “Our biggest asset isn’t on our balance sheet, and that’s our brand.”

    That’s the problem. It’s not solely a Nike problem whatsoever. It’s the entire sports industry, from athletes looking for endorsement deals to companies branding everything an athlete touches to dressing the entire world in “Three Stripes” or the Swoosh or the interlocking UA.

    While what Mr. Hawkins said is entirely true for their market presence, they go about marketing their business to the public through as much advertising as possible on everything they can acquire.

    Mark Millman, president of Millman Search Group Inc. (a national retailing consulting group), recently said, “Everyone is doing it. If you don’t do it, you’re dead in the water.”

    Nike is the industry leader in marketing itself and its brands. There is no question about that. But it’s a double-edged sword. When does “just enough” marketing become “oversaturation”? And if one is doing it, everyone is taking the next step forward to outdo what has already been done.

    Again, I don’t fault Nike for being a leader in sports apparel and equipment, especially in innovation and R&D. But I do fault them for spending more on marketing than they do on R&D.

    However, Nike is not solely to blame. They are simply the biggest dog in the yard when it comes to this situation, and the most easily identifiable. Everything sort of gets lumped together in the generalization, but that’s the problem with the generalization on this site as well.

    Does that make sense as to how I view it?

  • Rick | August 20, 2008 at 2:41 pm |

    Hornets Unveil New Logo, Colors, Uniforms

    That’s the title of the article on the Hornet’s website. A little deceiving isn’t it. They didn’t really change anything, just tweaked it a little. The logo still looks like a children’s cartoon. I know its New Orleans and stuff, but the colors of teal, gold and purple is a little too much to handle. It would have been nice to see maybe a change to black and gold with a tiny accent of teal. It would look more like a hornet and still keep a link to the past and NO color.

  • Nuff | August 20, 2008 at 2:44 pm |

    This used to be such a good place to visit. Seems like all these people woke up and somebody pee’d on their cornflakes and now they have to take it out on everybody else. I have had enough…done with visiting here.

  • Teebz | August 20, 2008 at 2:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”285515″]This used to be such a good place to visit. Seems like all these people woke up and somebody pee’d on their cornflakes and now they have to take it out on everybody else. I have had enough…done with visiting here.[/quote]

    I thought there was something wrong with my cereal this morning, but I couldn’t identify what it was. ;o)

  • MPowers1634 | August 20, 2008 at 2:47 pm |

    JP,

    I admire your passion!

    But back to unis:

    Why doesn’t the Redeem Team have a Third Red Uni set?

  • Ed | August 20, 2008 at 2:50 pm |

    I don’t know why exactly Paul and/or uniwatchblog do not post items on the LLWLS, but my guess it is because they are Children! Imagine, when you were in little league, if everyone in the stands started gossiping about the positioning of your iron-on NOB and number and the mismatched stripes on your stirrups. Now multiply that by number of hits on this blog. That’s alot of pressure to be putting on these kids. Should they face any criticism because the parents, coaches, TV networks, sponsors, and/or major athletic manufacturers didn’t get it just right. Think about it.

  • Bryan Redemske | August 20, 2008 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”285516″][quote comment=”285515″]This used to be such a good place to visit. Seems like all these people woke up and somebody pee’d on their cornflakes and now they have to take it out on everybody else. I have had enough…done with visiting here.[/quote]

    I thought there was something wrong with my cereal this morning, but I couldn’t identify what it was. ;o)[/quote]

    While I’m fairly certain nobody peed on my cereal, I did notice the orange juice container was lighter. That would explain a lot.

  • jesse | August 20, 2008 at 2:51 pm |

    I don’t necessarily look for longevity of the player, but I look for certain “timeless historical relevance”. If there is something special about the jersey, it would be okay, even if the guy only played one year.

    There is just a morass of grey area, and a touch of risk, in jersey purchasing. IMO that’s part of the fun.

    That’s why I fly close to the coast. The classics never let you down. Bossy away, Nystrom home.

    My collection, such as it is, is small, but I’m proud of it.

    M&N Eagles 1960 Tommy McDonald (White)
    M&N Cubs 1976 Bill Matlock (Powder blue, no stripes)
    M&N (Upper Deck Yankees classic trade in) Yankees 1978 Sparky Lyle #28 (Grey)
    M&N Steelers 1975/76 Rocky Blier (Black)
    Reebok (Authentic) Steelers 2007 Troy Polamalu (white)
    Majestic (authentic) Yankees 2008 #11 (Pinstripe)
    Game worn Penn State 2006 #80 Blue
    Game Worn Pirates 2006 Brain Cox (third base coach) Grey
    Game Issue Pirates 2005 Paul Stewart (who the hell knows?) Alternate/black

  • Jim MI (longtime poster, formally on of many Jims) | August 20, 2008 at 2:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”285519″][quote comment=”285516″][quote comment=”285515″]This used to be such a good place to visit. Seems like all these people woke up and somebody pee’d on their cornflakes and now they have to take it out on everybody else. I have had enough…done with visiting here.[/quote]

    I thought there was something wrong with my cereal this morning, but I couldn’t identify what it was. ;o)[/quote]

    While I’m fairly certain nobody peed on my cereal, I did notice the orange juice container was lighter. That would explain a lot.[/quote]

    I didn’t eat breakfest this morning… so what does that mean?

  • Brad | August 20, 2008 at 3:00 pm |

    Remembering thinking at the time that those Princeton unis were a really great combination of old school (meaning the jerseys) with the contemporary look of the time. Only the body of the road jerseys was white, sleeves remained fully black with orange stripes.

    Good recipe: Take one highly recognizable vintage element and weave it into a uni suitable for the present era.

    Come to think of it, still haven’t seen a better one. Not in football.

    —Ricko

    Ricko,

    Couldn’t have said it better myself. I grew up in Princeton in the 1960’s and was a uniform nut, kept some notes, but no drawings. I did not miss a Princeton home football game from 1965-74 before going away to college. I always thought the Princeton road uniforms from that era were the best in the country.
    Here’s a link to the road jersey before the aforementioned 1969 Centennial Game between Princeton and Rutgers:
    http://scarletknight...

    Both teams wore the “100” decal on their helmets, and ironically, the 1969 helmet image is missing from the Princeton list at the great helmet project site linked here:
    http://www.nationalc...

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 3:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”285518″]I don’t know why exactly Paul and/or uniwatchblog do not post items on the LLWLS, but my guess it is because they are Children! Imagine, when you were in little league, if everyone in the stands started gossiping about the positioning of your iron-on NOB and number and the mismatched stripes on your stirrups. Now multiply that by number of hits on this blog. That’s alot of pressure to be putting on these kids. Should they face any criticism because the parents, coaches, TV networks, sponsors, and/or major athletic manufacturers didn’t get it just right. Think about it.[/quote]

    im pretty certain not one LLWSer reads UW, or if they did, then they’d know how to properly wear their uni…

    nay, i think ESPN may have a fair amount of responsiblity in this area of “exposing” these poor little children

    and WHEN i was in little league, 10,000 years ago…i damn sure wore my uniform properly, including stirrups and i only WISHED there was a site like UW…or the internet…or cable tv…or touchtone phones…or cds…anything besides 8 tracks and ditto machines…god i hated those

    but yeah…it’s definitely UW’s responsibility to protect the poor children from overexposure in this big bad world

    yeah…that’s definitely it

  • =bg= | August 20, 2008 at 3:02 pm |

    http://sports.yahoo....

    Players underwear gets coach kicked out

  • douglas | August 20, 2008 at 3:08 pm |

    Watching sweden v france on tv. Both with new _ gorgeous _ uniforms. It’s about time national teams change their kits between seasons, not in january.Or maybe it’s due to their poor euro performances this summer. Swede has a retro laced collar and a nice watermark in the back. France has a two tone powder-royal blue horizontally stripped jersey but with ugly shorts

  • Bryan Redemske | August 20, 2008 at 3:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”285523″][quote comment=”285518″]I don’t know why exactly Paul and/or uniwatchblog do not post items on the LLWLS, but my guess it is because they are Children! Imagine, when you were in little league, if everyone in the stands started gossiping about the positioning of your iron-on NOB and number and the mismatched stripes on your stirrups. Now multiply that by number of hits on this blog. That’s alot of pressure to be putting on these kids. Should they face any criticism because the parents, coaches, TV networks, sponsors, and/or major athletic manufacturers didn’t get it just right. Think about it.[/quote]

    im pretty certain not one LLWSer reads UW, or if they did, then they’d know how to properly wear their uni…

    nay, i think ESPN may have a fair amount of responsiblity in this area of “exposing” these poor little children

    and WHEN i was in little league, 10,000 years ago…i damn sure wore my uniform properly, including stirrups and i only WISHED there was a site like UW…or the internet…or cable tv…or touchtone phones…or cds…anything besides 8 tracks and ditto machines…god i hated those

    but yeah…it’s definitely UW’s responsibility to protect the poor children from overexposure in this big bad world

    yeah…that’s definitely it[/quote]

    On the other hand, I got so much shit for posting a picture of a high school kid with clown make up, how could I possibly critique an even younger kid?

    Actually (for me, at least), it’s about companies profiting on the backs of little kids who are suddenly thrown into a giant hype machine. Paul laid his out feelings on Thursday before he left. I’m sure he’d answer any questions you have.

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 3:14 pm |

    [quote]I got so much shit for posting a picture of a high school kid with clown make up, how could I possibly critique an even younger kid[/quote]

    that was quite possibly the best post and resultant comments EVER on UW…

    /just sayin

  • Ed | August 20, 2008 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”285523″]

    and WHEN i was in little league, 10,000 years ago…i damn sure wore my uniform properly, including stirrups and i only WISHED there was a site like UW…or the internet…or cable tv…or touchtone phones…or cds…anything besides 8 tracks and ditto machines…god i hated those

    [/quote]

    I miss the ditto machines. I tell you, there is no high quite like the high you get from huffing your social studies quiz.

  • S. Bennett | August 20, 2008 at 3:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”285518″]I don’t know why exactly Paul and/or uniwatchblog do not post items on the LLWLS, but my guess it is because they are Children! Imagine, when you were in little league, if everyone in the stands started gossiping about the positioning of your iron-on NOB and number and the mismatched stripes on your stirrups. Now multiply that by number of hits on this blog. That’s alot of pressure to be putting on these kids. Should they face any criticism because the parents, coaches, TV networks, sponsors, and/or major athletic manufacturers didn’t get it just right. Think about it.[/quote]

    That’s not a slight against the kids. That’s a swipe against manufacturers. If the grand poo-bah stands by his number 2 when a kid is highlighted on the weekend blog, this reeks of double standard.

    And I’m not putting a penny into the UniWatch membership scheme until I can get a purple card.

    SB

  • Ed | August 20, 2008 at 3:20 pm |
  • jesse | August 20, 2008 at 3:21 pm |

    Has anybody ever watched a LLWS game and not thought to themself, “I think this may be just a little bit too much for a 12 year old”?

    I can see not wanting to add to that pressure, although boycotting talking about their uniforms will bring about as much change as “Free Tibet” bumper sticker.

  • Jim MI (longtime poster, formally on of many Jims) | August 20, 2008 at 3:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”285531″]Has anybody ever watched a LLWS game and not thought to themself, “I think this may be just a little bit too much for a 12 year old”?

    I can see not wanting to add to that pressure, although boycotting talking about their uniforms will bring about as much change as “Free Tibet” bumper sticker.[/quote]

    Everytime I see it on ESPN I wonder why the hell is it on TV. It’s little leaguers, it’s like watching the best 12 year olds play youth basketball, doesn’t make sense to me.

  • Alex | August 20, 2008 at 3:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”285447″]when nike is bashed, however, it always seems that there is a certain tacit approval of it from the higher ups

    Oh my god. Do you understand that Nike is a corporation, not a seven year child that cries herself to sleep every night when somebody makes fun her? It’s a big giant entity that has no feelings. Assuming for a second that you are absolutely right, and Nike is unfairly bashed, abused and slandered on this board. Seriously, who gives a shit? Nike sure doesn’t, so why the hell should you?

    Were talking about uniforms here, which is like half a step below practice. Please try to save your moral outrage for something else. Preferably something that matters.[/quote]

    AMEN TO THAT BROTHER!!!

    Thank you for some much-needed perspective!

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 3:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”285531″]Has anybody ever watched a LLWS game and not thought to themself, “I think this may be just a little bit too much for a 12 year old”?[/quote]

    no

  • jaye | August 20, 2008 at 3:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”285531″]Has anybody ever watched a LLWS game and not thought to themself, “I think this may be just a little bit too much for a 12 year old”?

    I can see not wanting to add to that pressure, although boycotting talking about their uniforms will bring about as much change as “Free Tibet” bumper sticker.[/quote]

    I have two boys in LL who find the series boring. They watch the first couple of games and usually end up ragging on the uniform color combos. They both think that older kids, like the junior league (13/14) or the senior league should be the focus of the series since the level of play would be more interesting. I teased them, saying they’re jealous that their teams didn’t make it. “Yeah, mom, like we wanna strike out and see it on SportsCenter all day.”

  • Kerry P | August 20, 2008 at 3:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”285514″]Hornets Unveil New Logo, Colors, Uniforms

    That’s the title of the article on the Hornet’s website. A little deceiving isn’t it. They didn’t really change anything, just tweaked it a little. The logo still looks like a children’s cartoon. I know its New Orleans and stuff, but the colors of teal, gold and purple is a little too much to handle. It would have been nice to see maybe a change to black and gold with a tiny accent of teal. It would look more like a hornet and still keep a link to the past and NO color.[/quote]
    Why black and gold? That color combination has no real significance in the city except for the Saints. If you want a REAL change that identifies the team with the city, why not changing the teal to green? Go back to THIS color combination that has a REAL connection with the city.

  • Kerry P | August 20, 2008 at 3:54 pm |

    The response should have looked like this:

    Why black and gold? That color combination has no real significance in the city except for the Saints. If you want a REAL change that identifies the team with the city, why not changing the teal to green? Go back to THIS color combination that has a REAL CONNECTION with the city.

  • David | August 20, 2008 at 4:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”285474″][quote comment=”285400″]you know, looking at the new Georgia Tech swag, I gotta say, as bad as the football unis are, I actually don’t mind most of the rest of it. And, probably because I am a die-hard Tech fan, but the gold top/white bottom combo on the football uni is actually OK (still not digging the white ones, though). I think that horizontal chest stripe needs to go, and I wish they would have used regular stripes on the pants instead of those funky ones, but not too bad overall. I love the return to Old Gold.

    I still don’t get the pink for the lady’s hoops, but whatever.

    ~E~[/quote]
    It looks like the baseball unis are the same design as the LLWS USA teams are wearing.[/quote]

    Anyone else notice that the uniforms shown on the banner in the first slide (women’s basketball excepting) are not the ones modeled in the fashion show it advertises? The men’s basketball jersey looks like the set from the 2004-05 seasons, while the football top seems to follow a design from earlier in the decade (number font especially). Not sure about volleyball, but it’s definitely different from the one shown a few slides later.

  • Flip | August 20, 2008 at 4:12 pm |

    Mr. Redemske, thank you for maintaining the site this week. I believe you said last week that you now work days. How much work you getting done?

  • Paul Lukas | August 20, 2008 at 4:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”285531″]Has anybody ever watched a LLWS game and not thought to themself, “I think this may be just a little bit too much for a 12 year old”?

    I can see not wanting to add to that pressure, although boycotting talking about their uniforms will bring about as much change as “Free Tibet” bumper sticker.[/quote]

    Believe me, I’m fully aware that it won’t bring about any change — it’s not that kind of boycott. It’s just that I think the LLWS is a bad bad for kids and bad for sports, and I therefore prefer not to participate in it in any way.

    Yes: Hi, I’m back.

    Glad everyone’s been enjoying Bryan’s work — please give him an added round of applause (with bonus birthday applause for his tike).

    As for those of you who think I sometimes shut down debate on certain topics sooner than you’d like, the main reason for the quick hook on certain discussions is that we’ve been thru them all a gazillion times already. When you say Bryan “at least engages in a dialogue” on this or that, you’re forgetting that I’ve engaged in the same set of dialogues dozens and in some cases hundreds of times. You’ll have to forgive me if there are certain topics I don’t feel like revisiting yet againandagainandagain.

    As for the notion that people who agree with me are “cultists” or “lemmings” or whatever, that’s both rude and reductive. Uni Watch is a niche project with a niche audience. It makes sense that many of the people who read this site would agree with many of my opinions. Case in point: A few nights ago I was in a bar in Washington state, glanced up at at the TV, and nearly spit out my beer when I saw the Browns wearing those dark pants (I hadn’t been reading this site, so I didn’t know the pants had been announced ahead of time). First thing I said was, “Wow, those pants really need some stripes or piping.” Having now read the comments, I see many of you feel similarly. Does that mean I’m the “messiah” and you’re all “ass-kissers”? No — it just means many people here have similar sensibilities. Live with it.

    Incidentally, when “Johnny Poontang” posts here, his fake e-mail address is Lukasisadouche@aol.com. Fun!

  • Jonathan Sluss | August 20, 2008 at 4:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”285517″]JP,

    I admire your passion!

    But back to unis:

    Why doesn’t the Redeem Team have a Third Red Uni set?[/quote]

    Nike has tended in the past to outfit USA’s mens’ teams in blue for their dark uniforms and womens’ teams in red. I’m not sure if that’s official Nike policy but you can see it in Basketball, Soccer (the exception being the men’s “Don’t Tread on Me” jerseys worn before the ’06 World Cup), and Softball (baseball wears Majestic, so there is no Men’s equivalent here)

  • vpofbeer | August 20, 2008 at 4:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”285537″]The response should have looked like this:

    Why black and gold? That color combination has no real significance in the city except for the Saints. If you want a REAL change that identifies the team with the city, why not changing the teal to green? Go back to THIS color combination that has a REAL CONNECTION with the city.[/quote]

    Agreed. They could at least bring out an throwback alt in that motif. It would certainly beat the current “Mardi Gras Gold” 3rd jerseys which, although it gives me occasion to break out my Jordan I’s in the yellow/black colorway, I could live without.

    That said, the new home unis look really good, but I hate the road unis. I think it’s the white trim.

  • Chad | August 20, 2008 at 4:35 pm |

    it’s been a while since the TM discussion but check out how many TMs are on this blanket http://www.mentalflo...
    came from this article on mascot origins http://www.mentalflo...

  • Ed | August 20, 2008 at 4:36 pm |

    Welcome back, Paul! Not to hit you all at once, but what happening with the Google search and index functions? Any updates on that issue?

  • Paul Lukas | August 20, 2008 at 4:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”285544″]Welcome back, Paul! Not to hit you all at once, but what happening with the Google search and index functions? Any updates on that issue?[/quote]

    Should have been fixed (by Google) by now, and I’m disappointed to see that that’s not the case. Earlier today I asked John to investigate.

  • caknuck | August 20, 2008 at 4:47 pm |

    According to this site, the Titans could have some interesting FNOB issues this year. Hell, with two Chris Davises on the roster, we may see the precedent-setting FNAIOB (First Name And Initial On Back).

    I suppose it could be worse… at least their last name isn’t “Houshmandzadeh”

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 4:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”285546″]According to this site, the Titans could have some interesting FNOB issues this year. Hell, with two Chris Davises on the roster, we may see the precedent-setting FNAIOB (First Name And Initial On Back).

    I suppose it could be worse… at least their last name isn’t “Houshmandzadeh”[/quote]

    they sure do look alike

  • Cosmo | August 20, 2008 at 5:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”285547″][quote comment=”285546″]According to this site, the Titans could have some interesting FNOB issues this year. Hell, with two Chris Davises on the roster, we may see the precedent-setting FNAIOB (First Name And Initial On Back).

    I suppose it could be worse… at least their last name isn’t “Houshmandzadeh”[/quote]

    That site is wrong in some regards, but there are 2 Chris Davises, #’s 16 & 17:

    http://www.titansonl...

    http://www.titansonl...

    they sure do look alike[/quote]

  • Cosmo | August 20, 2008 at 5:02 pm |

    Wow, my comment ended up in between the last two in my post. My bad Phil, didn’t mean to have it look like I stole your quick-witted line.

  • Mark Mc | August 20, 2008 at 5:15 pm |

    Wow. Way to go Virginia Tech. Get that crowed ramped up for the big game against…Furman. Whatever it takes to sell tickets though.

  • =bg= | August 20, 2008 at 5:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”285540″][quote comment=”285531″]Has anybody ever watched a LLWS game and not thought to themself, “I think this may be just a little bit too much for a 12 year old”?

    I can see not wanting to add to that pressure, although boycotting talking about their uniforms will bring about as much change as “Free Tibet” bumper sticker.[/quote]

    Believe me, I’m fully aware that it won’t bring about any change — it’s not that kind of boycott. It’s just that I think the LLWS is a bad bad for kids and bad for sports, and I therefore prefer not to participate in it in any way.

    Yes: Hi, I’m back.

    Glad everyone’s been enjoying Bryan’s work — please give him an added round of applause (with bonus birthday applause for his tike).

    As for those of you who think I sometimes shut down debate on certain topics sooner than you’d like, the main reason for the quick hook on certain discussions is that we’ve been thru them all a gazillion times already. When you say Bryan “at least engages in a dialogue” on this or that, you’re forgetting that I’ve engaged in the same set of dialogues dozens and in some cases hundreds of times. You’ll have to forgive me if there are certain topics I don’t feel like revisiting yet againandagainandagain.

    As for the notion that people who agree with me are “cultists” or “lemmings” or whatever, that’s both rude and reductive. Uni Watch is a niche project with a niche audience. It makes sense that many of the people who read this site would agree with many of my opinions. Case in point: A few nights ago I was in a bar in Washington state, glanced up at at the TV, and nearly spit out my beer when I saw the Browns wearing those dark pants (I hadn’t been reading this site, so I didn’t know the pants had been announced ahead of time). First thing I said was, “Wow, those pants really need some stripes or piping.” Having now read the comments, I see many of you feel similarly. Does that mean I’m the “messiah” and you’re all “ass-kissers”? No — it just means many people here have similar sensibilities. Live with it.

    Incidentally, when “Johnny Poontang” posts here, his fake e-mail address is Lukasisadouche@aol.com. Fun![/quote]

    “Reductive.”
    Gonna have to look THAT one up.

  • Jmart | August 20, 2008 at 5:21 pm |

    Not sure if anyone has mentioned this already, but last night during the Yankees-Jays game one of the Yankee ball boys was wearing a number 42 jersey. I wonder if the team lost his jersey and he wore a mariano rivera or what becausei dont think ball boys wear numbers at all

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 5:26 pm |

    [quote]A few nights ago I was in a bar in Washington state, glanced up at at the TV, and nearly spit out my beer when I saw the Browns wearing those dark pants (I hadn’t been reading this site, so I didn’t know the pants had been announced ahead of time).[/quote]

    no internet in washington?

    [quote]First thing I said was, “Wow, those pants really need some stripes or piping.”[/quote]

    oh c’mon…we know the FIRST thing you said was, “those pants look like shit” ;)

    [quote]Having now read the comments, I see many of you feel similarly. Does that mean I’m the “messiah” and you’re all “ass-kissers”? No — it just means many people here have similar sensibilities. Live with it.[/quote]

    fair point…i wonder how many people would have agreed (or disagreed) with your opinion had you given it first…IOW…had you loved the pants sans piping, i am wondering how many people would have loved that look too, as opposed to the many who felt they needed something…be it stripes, piping, or…i don’t know…white

  • Stevo | August 20, 2008 at 5:38 pm |

    I was watching Men’s Beach Volleyball last night (kicking off the Late Night coverage as usual), and the US guys were playing a team from (the former Soviet Republic of) Georgia. The team itself was basically a couple of Brazilians who weren’t good enough to qualify from their homeland, so they became Georgian Citizens and kinda backdoored into the Olympics.

    Now, I can’t remember the entire story of this, but the “Georgians” somehow came to enter the Olympic Games with the names Geor and Gia, meaning that their names shows up on the TV graphics as “Geor/Gia”.

  • Jet | August 20, 2008 at 5:51 pm |

    Dammit, I gotta have me one of those 1914 Murphy, Idaho baseball unis!!!!

    -Jet

  • Teebz | August 20, 2008 at 5:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”285540″]
    Incidentally, when “Johnny Poontang” posts here, his fake e-mail address is Lukasisadouche@aol.com. Fun![/quote]

    At least he took the time to spell your name right – Lukas vs. Lucas – on his faux email account. ;o)

  • Kek | August 20, 2008 at 8:50 pm |

    Paul, I’m just curious, did you have a bad experience growing up with little league? I’m only asking because you seem very passionate on the topic in a way a lot of people I grew up with are. Most of those folks were involved with situations that were bad like parents/coaches being overbearing, putting too much pressure on the kids, getting wrapped up in political nonsense (this guy’s son made all stars but mine didn’t, etc)

    Believe me, I had my fights with my pops (may God rest his soul) and had some rough patches were baseball really wasn’t fun. I played baseball in one form or another from age 6 to 20. It was around the time I was 16 my old man said “I’m done saying anything, I’m just going to watch you play (and this was from a guy that actually left games before they were over if he was displeased with my performance–funny ’cause many times after he’d left I’d makie a big play in the field or get a big hit.) And except for a few rare occasions he kept his word. Although he didn’t see my play my two years in college, he pretty much didn’t bug through the end of my HS career.

    I’m not tring to pry or antyhing, just getting perspective and if you’d rather not answer i understand. I just wanted to get some perspective before I said something like I felt your opinion was irrational.

    Personally, I think it must be a thrill for the teams to play in Williamsport and have the chance to get on ESPN. I can see the school of thought that its too much too soon (and I think they are having kids throw breaking balls way too early) but there’s also something to be said about kids making memories that will last a lifeteime and that no one can ever take away. I think of the stories like Chirs Drury or Lloyd McClendon and that’s what the LLWS is all about.

  • Ricko | August 20, 2008 at 9:04 pm |

    re: LLWS (and this will be my only post on the subject).

    No, never think they’re being abused or exploited. I always think, “Wow, what a high it must be for them to know their game is on ESPN.”

    I would LOVE to coach a bunch of kids that excited about playing, that focussed.

    Remember these aren’t the kids you’ll find on a Tuesday evening in your neighborhood. These are, in large part, the best of the best, not the end-of-bench, part-time rightfielder who hopes no one hits the ball to him in a close game. These kids are confident. They know they can play, and they have the record to prove it.

    Of the really skilled kids I have coached, I believe every single one of them would think having a game on TV would be “cool”. Watch the ones interviewed on ESPN. Generally speaking, they don’t look scared or overwhelmed. A little nervous, maybe, sometimes tongue-tied…but they watch Baseball Tonight and SportsCenter. Most of them kinda know the drill.

    And, yes, they’re only 12, some 13. But the pitcher holding back tears because he just allowed five straight hits isn’t feeling any worse because it’s happening on TV. He’d have reacted the same way in a district title game back in Billings or someplace.

    As to whether they’re exploited…well, then so is every other amateur athlete whose competition is televised nationally.

    Worried about striking out on TV? Well, most kids would say that’s better than never having been on TV at all. Besides, any decent player should have had a coach who taught him that anyone who plays baseball is gonna do three things for sure: strike out, make errors and get hit by a pitch. If you can’t accept those realities, then better not to play.

    (Unless you’re Joe Mauer, of course, who struck out only once in his entire four-year high school career, and that was on a foul tip into the catcher’s glove.)

    I have also found that, in the long run, parents take the losses harder than the kids. The kids seem to grasp that only one team is gonna win it all, and they can live with that.

    And while it’s tough to watch a kid in agony after he messes up, give ESPN credit. They rarely stay with those images too long (and virtully NEVER replay them), instead focussing far more on the pure joy on the faces of the kids who have just made great defensive plays, delivered important hits or pitched beautifully.

    I may be in the minority, but I love watching the LLWS every year, because its fun to see kids do something because they absolutely freakin’ LOVE it…even it means they take a third strike at the wrong time on national televison.

    As to unis…I think the kids wear what they see the big guys wear on TV. Although there is a much greater mix of high and low pants in the regionals than after they get to Williamport, where low seems to be the order of things…and that’s too bad.

  • Phil | August 20, 2008 at 9:22 pm |

    Those Browns unis might not have looked so bad if they would have worn their striped socks that they sometimes wear with their road unis. By the Paul when are you coming out with the NFL season preview come.

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 9:22 pm |

    great story douggie…i’d like to hear paul’s answer

    while my LL experience was far from traumatic (umpiring from 7th-12th grade was far more scarring…and why to this day i have the utmost respect for blue), i can see how the youth of today, where everyone wins a medal, could have a tough time…though i was quite skilled (was drafted into the major leagues in 4th grade–do they still have that designation any more???–and that first year i played my 2 innings in left field and got my one AB), i was good but not great, but was starting shortstop in 5th & 6th, making the AS team both years…was pretty competitive, and we failed to advance out of the first round each year (in large part because the coach, each year, insisted on starting his kid even though clearly not the best player/pitcher we had…but that’s another story)

    anyhoo…our village had 2 leagues, and in the other league, as fate would have it, a LOT of the boys were younger…but because of their late-in-the-year birthdays, could play an “extra” year…they were REALLY good, and when we were all in 7th grade (they were still permitted to play in LL due to their birthdays), that team advanced all the way to county and i think states…so…

    i’ve always followed and been fascinated by the LLWS (in fact, a guy i went to college with had a brother who played for trumbull, ct. in 1989…i always thought it was the COOLEST thing, and wished i was on a team talanted enough to go somewhere…i never thought of the kids as exploited, and except for the dick managers who insisted their kid was better than anyone else, always found it fair and pure…we didn’t play for money, we played for love and pride…yeah, there was crying when we lost, but hey…that’s fuckin life…you learn more life-lessons on the diamond than playing atari/intellivision and now texting/updating your facebook page

    never viewed anyone as being exploited, used as a pawn, or a piece of meat…but rather just ‘one of those things’ that hopefully taught a boy to become a man…ya know…in life there’s winners and losers…and you don’t wanna be a loser, but, shit, unless your name is eldrick, you learn that you lose more than you win…there may be crying in baseball, but not everyone gets a goddam ribbon

    ok…so…to make this uni related, i know the unis are pretty standard, but i was hoping maybe one day the UW management could i donno…maybe devote a half page to it…

    guess not

    but i would love to hear whether paul maybe had a bad experience with LL away back when

  • LI Phil | August 20, 2008 at 9:27 pm |

    ok…typed and posted that diatribe before i had seen and read ricko’s fine response…

    well said, also, mr. pearson

  • Phil | August 20, 2008 at 9:27 pm |

    Woops meant to post that comment on the last article.

  • Dixie Man 1957 | August 20, 2008 at 9:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”285530″]Does anyone remember this one?[/quote]

    That, my friends, is a CLASSIC!!!

  • Paul Lukas | August 20, 2008 at 9:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”285560″]Paul, I’m just curious, did you have a bad experience growing up with little league?[/quote]

    Loved Little League. Got nothing against it. I’m not even against the LLWS per se — just opposed to how it’s handled by the media. Putting a radar gun on a 12-year-old’s pitches? Obscene. Having a multi-person announcing crew dissecting each aspect of a game played by elementary school kids? It’s not child abuse, but it can’t be healthy. And the mere fact that the kids are on TV affects how they behave, because they emulate the most cliched behavior of “real” athletes. Why can’t a bunch of kids just play, without all the cameras and interviews and graphics and nonsense?

    It’s a symptom of something badly, badly broken in our culture, where any competition is given the ESPN treatment and the lines between “reality” and “reality TV” become increasingly blurred. I find the whole thing extremely depressing.

  • Dixie Man 1957 | August 20, 2008 at 9:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”285540″][quote comment=”285531″]Has anybody ever watched a LLWS game and not thought to themself, “I think this may be just a little bit too much for a 12 year old”?

    I can see not wanting to add to that pressure, although boycotting talking about their uniforms will bring about as much change as “Free Tibet” bumper sticker.[/quote]

    Believe me, I’m fully aware that it won’t bring about any change — it’s not that kind of boycott. It’s just that I think the LLWS is a bad bad for kids and bad for sports, and I therefore prefer not to participate in it in any way.

    Yes: Hi, I’m back.

    Glad everyone’s been enjoying Bryan’s work — please give him an added round of applause (with bonus birthday applause for his tike).

    As for those of you who think I sometimes shut down debate on certain topics sooner than you’d like, the main reason for the quick hook on certain discussions is that we’ve been thru them all a gazillion times already. When you say Bryan “at least engages in a dialogue” on this or that, you’re forgetting that I’ve engaged in the same set of dialogues dozens and in some cases hundreds of times. You’ll have to forgive me if there are certain topics I don’t feel like revisiting yet againandagainandagain.

    As for the notion that people who agree with me are “cultists” or “lemmings” or whatever, that’s both rude and reductive. Uni Watch is a niche project with a niche audience. It makes sense that many of the people who read this site would agree with many of my opinions. Case in point: A few nights ago I was in a bar in Washington state, glanced up at at the TV, and nearly spit out my beer when I saw the Browns wearing those dark pants (I hadn’t been reading this site, so I didn’t know the pants had been announced ahead of time). First thing I said was, “Wow, those pants really need some stripes or piping.” Having now read the comments, I see many of you feel similarly. Does that mean I’m the “messiah” and you’re all “ass-kissers”? No — it just means many people here have similar sensibilities. Live with it.

    Incidentally, when “Johnny Poontang” posts here, his fake e-mail address is Lukasisadouche@aol.com. Fun![/quote]

    Paul,

    WELCOME BACK…!!!

  • Jonee | August 20, 2008 at 9:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”285561″]re: LLWS (and this will be my only post on the subject).

    No, never think they’re being abused or exploited. I always think, “Wow, what a high it must be for them to know their game is on ESPN.”

    I would LOVE to coach a bunch of kids that excited about playing, that focussed…[/quote]

    See? Rational debate works like a charm. In my eyes, the hype surrounding the LLWS has seemed to have died down a bit the last couple years, thankfully. I know when I was 12, I couldn’t have handled being on ESPN very well. It would have freaked me out.
    And, I kind of dug the plain brown Browns pants. I’m thankful there was no UPS logo on them, so I voted for them in that poll. Take that! But, I would be curious to see them with a stripe. Really, they should go back to the orange. Browns orange is the perfect shade of that color, in my opinion.

  • Beardface | August 20, 2008 at 10:14 pm |

    So the New Orleans Hornets are changing up their look by going back to the original teal and purple of the Charlotte Hornets days?

    Wow, what an Earth shattering change

  • Beardface | August 20, 2008 at 10:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”285550″]Wow. Way to go Virginia Tech. Get that crowed ramped up for the big game against…Furman. Whatever it takes to sell tickets though.[/quote]
    Considering tickets were sold out long before this was announced, I highly doubt that is the driving force here…

    Perhaps it might have to do with wearing some totally kickass throwback uniforms on the field… (ones I hope turn into the full-time unis)

  • Kek | August 20, 2008 at 10:20 pm |

    Ricko, LI Phil and Paul, all extremely well-stated. Intelligent debate at its best.

    And Paul, I tried very hard to word my question to you properly as it’s hard to convey thoughts/feelings sometimes over these internets. From your response I see that you got that. I didn’t want to come off like I was saying “Oh, your Dad yelled at you and now you hate LL” or “you were a scrub and struck out all the time and cried all the way home”

    I appreciate the response and while I don’t agree with your opinion, I respect the point.

  • Hood | August 20, 2008 at 10:20 pm |

    Photo of new Hawaii football unis http://www.honolulua...

  • Robert | August 20, 2008 at 10:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”285575″]Photo of new Hawaii football unis http://www.honolulua...

    While I find the new Hawaii uniforms to be ugly as sin, to the extent that they typeface and the details are reflective of Hawaii’s unique history and culture (are they?), then I reluctantly support the look for its originality.

    On the other hand, if the uniforms look weird just for the sake of being weird (see Oregon), then I will declare them to be flat-out bad.

  • Scott N. | August 20, 2008 at 10:45 pm |

    [quote comment=\”285461\”][quote comment=\”285454\”][quote comment=\”285439\”]This is obviously fake, but it is kind of an interesting look.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Why is it a fake?[/quote]

    [a] MLB jerseys have NEVER had a manufacturer\’s logo at the base of the neck. They started putting the MLB logo there in 2000, I think.

    [b] Bucs didn\’t adopt the vests until 2001; Van Slyke was long retired by that point.

    [c] The number font may be wrong as well:

    http://www.fsu.edu/~...

    Actually, when the Reds had vests, the manufacturer\’s logo appeared at the base of the neck because there wasn\’t a sleeve to put it on, so this is probably the same idea.

    Can\’t explain why it\’s a vest, though, since the Pirates didn\’t start wearing those until 2001. As stated, Van Slyke was retired as a player by then and the Detroit Tigers\’ web site says his current job with the Tigers is his first professional coaching gig. That eliminates a coaching stint as a reason for this jerey existing.

    Unless this jersey was made for Van Slyke to wear for some kind of old-timer\’s game, it\’s not authentic.

  • Zack Tanner | August 20, 2008 at 11:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”285578″][quote comment=\”285461\”][quote comment=\”285454\”][quote comment=\”285439\”]This is obviously fake, but it is kind of an interesting look.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Not to mention that the script used for the word “Pittsburgh” never appeared like that on a vest, only on the old pinstriped road jerseys from the 90’s.

    Why is it a fake?[/quote]

    [a] MLB jerseys have NEVER had a manufacturer\’s logo at the base of the neck. They started putting the MLB logo there in 2000, I think.

    [b] Bucs didn\’t adopt the vests until 2001; Van Slyke was long retired by that point.

    [c] The number font may be wrong as well:

    http://www.fsu.edu/~...

    Actually, when the Reds had vests, the manufacturer\’s logo appeared at the base of the neck because there wasn\’t a sleeve to put it on, so this is probably the same idea.

    Can\’t explain why it\’s a vest, though, since the Pirates didn\’t start wearing those until 2001. As stated, Van Slyke was retired as a player by then and the Detroit Tigers\’ web site says his current job with the Tigers is his first professional coaching gig. That eliminates a coaching stint as a reason for this jerey existing.

    Unless this jersey was made for Van Slyke to wear for some kind of old-timer\’s game, it\’s not authentic.[/quote]

  • Zack Tanner | August 20, 2008 at 11:25 pm |

    Well, don’t know why my text didn’t copy over. but it is clearly a fake because the Pirates never used that “Pittsburgh” script on any jersey but their pinstriped roadies from the 90’s.

  • Jim W | August 21, 2008 at 12:57 am |

    From nba.com/hornets:

    “The Hornets primary logo has been enhanced with the team’s new colors: Creole blue, a deeper, more passionate purple and Mardi Gras gold.”

    Purple… passionate? Uh oh…

  • Mike Engle | August 21, 2008 at 1:22 am |

    [quote comment=”285581″]From nba.com/hornets:

    “The Hornets primary logo has been enhanced with the team’s new colors: Creole blue, a deeper, more passionate purple and Mardi Gras gold.”

    Purple… passionate? Uh oh…[/quote]
    Not only that, but “the Hornets are the only team to wear their home city at home and on the road.” Really, New York?

  • Mike Gocsik | August 21, 2008 at 6:33 am |

    1860s-style baseball teams will play at Sauder Village

    A Barbershop Sing and Baseball Game are scheduled from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. Saturday at Sauder Village in Archbold, Ohio. The Southern Gateway Chorus will harmonize, and the Cincinnati Southern Gateway Chorus will celebrate its 50th year. In the afternoon the Great Black Swamp Frogs Base Ball Club of 1860 will take on the Ohio Village Muffins. Teams will dress in period uniforms and play by the rules of that era.

  • Rick | August 21, 2008 at 10:12 am |

    RE: Why black and gold?

    I just thought it would look more like a hornet and less like a Disney character. They could use the “yellowish gold” rather than “gold gold”.