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Underbill Update No. 389

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As most of you know, I’ve been mildly obsessed this season with the growing phenomenon of MLB players who write things under their cap visors. (For those who missed it, here’s the ESPN column I devoted to this topic a few months back.) Then, in a separate underbill development, a few weeks ago I passed along news from a National League source who said there would be changes to all MLB caps next year — including a switch from gray underbills to black.

I originally assumed there was no connection between these two stories, and that the switch to black was due to the increasingly popular school of thought that black underbills are better for reducing glare. But last week on Chris Creamer‘s message boards, buried in the midst of a long discussion of the Diamondbacks’ new logos (which I’ll have more to say about soon, promise), there was this:

A friend inside MLB said that the inscriptions by players (number, initials, etc.) are getting out of hand, and changing the underbill [to black] was one way to eliminate the problem without getting into potential backlash from players and media.

Faaaaaascinating. If this is true, it raises some interesting points:

• Black brims wouldn’t eliminate underbill inscriptions, since players could still use silver Sharpies (although I agree that fewer players would do that, because there’s just something counterintuitive about writing on a black surface).

• Why is the MLB office so worked up about underbill scribblings anyway? Assuming you can see them at all, they’re usually illegible, so what’s the problem? They’re a charming quirk, and are among the very few ways that a player can personalize his uniform without being all “Look at me!” about it. Eliminating them — or trying to — is a short-sighted move.

• Whether it’s the White House or the MLB office, anytime someone is paranoid about “media backlash,” it’s a pretty safe bet they’re doing something stupid.

Meanwhile, we can add two more players to the ranks of the underbill scribblers. The first is Nationals reliever Jon Rauch, who’s got something fairly elaborate — although it’s not clear what — written on his home and road caps. The second is Cleveland’s Shin-Soo Choo (already notable for his double-flapped batting helmet), whose underbill notation appears to be written in Korean. If the closing days of this season really do constitute the twilight of the gray underbill, Rauch and Choo may go down as the last players to take full advantage of it.

(The Choo pics, incidentally, are courtesy of Toronto photographer Aaron Reynolds, who’s generously offered to make his vast photo archive available for Uni Watch research purposes — thanks, man!)

Uni Watch News Ticker: We weren’t the only ones talking about logo leaks yesterday — look here. … Bryan Redemske has gotten an advance copy of this book (due out in about three weeks) and says the photos feature some fantastic uni details, including a shot of Honus Wagner with a little “P P” collar embroidery — never seen that before. Full report to follow when I can get my hands on a copy. … Monday’s nomination for the worst prep uniform ever brought several competing picks, the most notable of which was Riverside High in South Carolina (props to Ronnie Poore). … Speaking of high school teams, great article here about high school teams that use college or pro helmet logo designs (with thanks to P.J. Mallardi). … Notes you may have missed from yesterday’s Comments section: Rice players will wear a “39” helmet decal for the rest of the season, in memory of teammate Dale Lloyd, who died on Sunday (with thanks to Richard Grossman). … And Adam Denob noticed that Panthers kicker John Kasey was wearing a watch in Sunday’s game against Tampa.

 

144 comments to Underbill Update No. 389

  • Tom | September 27, 2006 at 9:15 am |

    Cool article about the high school uniforms using pro and college logos. I always preferred seeing schools with original logos as opposed to just taking a well known logo and changing it to your own school colors. Of course, my old high school hit a double whammy on this one, going from the Michigan Wolverines styled helmet to the Florida State arrow, just in green and yellow instead of blue and maize or garnet and gold.

  • Dan Julien | September 27, 2006 at 9:23 am |

    Hey guys…not sure why the underbill is such an issue but maybe it’s cause of uniformity of uniforms :). I’m throwing out a challenge to anyone who wants to spread their artistic talents, I need a banner for my website that’s creative and I just suck at graphic design. So anyone who wants to do something creative and get a permenant link on my page, check it out http://bvtn.blogspot... and e-mail me to find out what I’d like on it danieljulien@hotmail.com

  • nybatt | September 27, 2006 at 9:31 am |

    is the fricking underbill scribbling desecrating the baseball uniform as much as the pajama-pant plague?? jeez….

    in nhl news……

    watching “my” ny rangers the other night I noticed that the player’s names were not stitched on in the usual tackle twill lettering.. instead, for pre-season they use the cheap-o iron-on variety… I can reacall this being used in the past couple of years as well…..looks very tacky, but I guess I understand the reality that most will not be on the regular season roster… even the vets have the “lee press-on lettering”…..

  • Dane | September 27, 2006 at 9:34 am |

    From yesterday: David Carr does wear his wedding ring, and tapes over it as seen in this picture:
    http://images.tsn.ca...

    When I was in high school, the Pittsburgh Maulers spent their one season in the USFL. They practiced at an empty school in our district. When the Maulers closed up shop, they donated their uniforms – and everything else (weights, practice gear) to the district. Fortunately both teams wore PURPLE, so it was a smooth transition.
    http://www.oursports...

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | September 27, 2006 at 9:34 am |

    FROM YESTERDAY…
    [quote comment=”10701″][quote comment=”10651″]Watching the MNF game last night and Reggie Bush’s jersey kept bothering me.

    I didn’t realize the problem until the post game.

    this shows what the other guys have. Look closely at the seam where the shoulder material meets the panel with the numbers on it. It makes a straight line across the jersey right through the nfl equip patch.
    Reggie’s jersey has a different seam pattern here and, here too[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure that’s been happening since Reebok took over the NFL. It’s a little annoying to see a team uniform that’s not uniform. The worst perpetrators are the Seahawks (compare these to this and this) and Titans (compare this to this). Since those teams have unique shoulder yoke designs, it is much more noticable and annoying.
    [/quote]

    i believe that this is done intentionally. if you notice, the jersey “template” differs based on position played. skill positions have a different jersey template than say, those in the trenches. why? i would say simply because their equipment must react differently to the kind of play their position warrants. just like players gloves differ, shoulder pads, facemasks, knee braces, shoes, etc.

  • dp | September 27, 2006 at 9:42 am |

    Not related but big news if true: Terrell Owens reportedly attempted suicide?
    Was on the news just a second ago..

  • Matt | September 27, 2006 at 9:48 am |

    Couldn’t get a screen capture of it, but last night in the Astros/Pirates game, Mike Lamb of the Astros was jogging back to the dugout at the end of the first inning and it looked like his nameplate was only sewn on the sides and not the top or bottom, so it was just flapping in the breeze.

  • Tim B | September 27, 2006 at 9:48 am |

    i am pretty sure this has been either mentioned by paul or in these comments in the past, but when googling a few of those florida HS uniform’s, this came up. funny, but also at times weird, to see different color combos for the helmets you know.

    http://football.bvhs...

  • Richard | September 27, 2006 at 9:49 am |

    from espn re: TO

    TO update

  • Chad Edwards | September 27, 2006 at 9:49 am |

    Looking at photos today of kickers and their quirks, i’ve noticed the following.

    Vanderjagt is the only kicker to wear a towel.
    http://us.i1.yimg.co...

    Gramatica wears his ring even in Training Camp
    http://us.news2.yimg...

    Ryan Lindell is a ring guy
    http://us.i1.yimg.co...

  • Kenny | September 27, 2006 at 9:50 am |

    [quote comment=”10724″]Not related but big news if true: Terrell Owens reportedly attempted suicide?
    Was on the news just a second ago..[/quote]

    This article was posted on ESPN.com also…there is a video with Ed Werder reporting, but I don’t have audio on my computer at work, so I’m not sure what he’s saying…very unfortunate if true…although Big Tuna said the pain killers made him sick and I also heard he had an allergic reaction
    T.O. apparent suicide attempt

  • ESS | September 27, 2006 at 10:00 am |

    Very interesting article on HS football teams copying college and NFL team logos.

    Does anyone know how colleges can “copy” each other, without there being the usual cease and desist letters flying around? For instance Michigan, Princeton and Delaware?

  • Matt | September 27, 2006 at 10:01 am |

    Wisconsin’s Motion W has spread across state HS athetics like a rash. Schools without a W inital try their best to recreate the font for V, ND, and H (if memory serves) with questionable results. Even my alma mater traded in its stately block W logo to copycat the Badgers.

    What can I say…teenage kids are fools with no respect for tradition. And would they please get off my damn lawn?

  • AMS | September 27, 2006 at 10:03 am |

    now this is an original helmet design for a HS team. i sorta like it…

    http://football.bvhs...

  • Matt | September 27, 2006 at 10:07 am |

    my former high school copies Notre Dame, and its a public school…

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | September 27, 2006 at 10:09 am |

    god i hope this site doesnt turn into “talk about t.o. day”. it will be enough just listening to the herd, dan patrick, and the sportsbash dominate it.

  • Adam | September 27, 2006 at 10:13 am |

    [quote comment=”10726″]i am pretty sure this has been either mentioned by paul or in these comments in the past, but when googling a few of those florida HS uniform’s, this came up. funny, but also at times weird, to see different color combos for the helmets you know.

    http://football.bvhs...

    There are “High School Helmet Projects” floating around for several states, all using similar templates. The original “Helmet Project” outlines virtually every pro and college helmet that’s ever existed. You can link to nearly all of them here.

  • Kenny | September 27, 2006 at 10:15 am |

    [quote comment=”10732″]now this is an original helmet design for a HS team. i sorta like it…

    http://football.bvhs...

    I’m having a hard time figuring out if it is a deer antler or flame

    My H.S. has an original (as far as I know) and I was/am a big fan of it LP Lancers

    [quote comment=”10734″]god i hope this site doesnt turn into “talk about t.o. day”. it will be enough just listening to the herd, dan patrick, and the sportsbash dominate it.[/quote]

    Same here, he doesn’t need anymore attention

  • Adam | September 27, 2006 at 10:20 am |

    [quote comment=”10735″]
    There are “High School Helmet Projects” floating around for several states, all using similar templates. The original “Helmet Project” outlines virtually every pro and college helmet that’s ever existed. You can link to nearly all of them here.[/quote]

    Note: You’ll have to scroll WAY down the page to find the High School listings. Also, the Missouri Helmet Project includes a subsite with about 250 helmets from Illinois.

  • Lincoln | September 27, 2006 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=”10739″][quote comment=”10735″]
    There are “High School Helmet Projects” floating around for several states, all using similar templates. The original “Helmet Project” outlines virtually every pro and college helmet that’s ever existed. You can link to nearly all of them here.[/quote]

    Note: You’ll have to scroll WAY down the page to find the High School listings. Also, the Missouri Helmet Project includes a subsite with about 250 helmets from Illinois.[/quote]

    Just looking through the Illinois helmets shows you how many schools use NFL and college logos. WOW!!

  • DenverGregg | September 27, 2006 at 10:46 am |

    My HS used Air Force’s helmet decal but on a yellow helmet and one big rival had the ’70s Atlanta Falcons helmet with colors reversed.

    Weird note: in and around Denver Budweiser has posters, banners and mirros displayed on and in bars that show the various helmet designs used by the Broncos over the years. The designer must be a UniWatch type as they included the late ’60s blue design with a gray facemask separately from the same design with the white facemask that came a bit later. Sad that my team has never had a very good looking helmet.

  • Nolan | September 27, 2006 at 10:49 am |

    [quote comment=”10723″]FROM YESTERDAY…
    [quote comment=”10701″][quote comment=”10651″]Watching the MNF game last night and Reggie Bush’s jersey kept bothering me.

    I didn’t realize the problem until the post game.

    this shows what the other guys have. Look closely at the seam where the shoulder material meets the panel with the numbers on it. It makes a straight line across the jersey right through the nfl equip patch.
    Reggie’s jersey has a different seam pattern here and, here too[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure that’s been happening since Reebok took over the NFL. It’s a little annoying to see a team uniform that’s not uniform. The worst perpetrators are the Seahawks (compare these to this and this) and Titans (compare this to this). Since those teams have unique shoulder yoke designs, it is much more noticable and annoying.
    [/quote]

    i believe that this is done intentionally. if you notice, the jersey “template” differs based on position played. skill positions have a different jersey template than say, those in the trenches. why? i would say simply because their equipment must react differently to the kind of play their position warrants. just like players gloves differ, shoulder pads, facemasks, knee braces, shoes, etc.[/quote]

    I thought about that but the player I noticed that didn’t match Bush was Joe Horn. Also, Drew Brees and this guy don’t have their jersey cut like that either. The Vince jersey is the best photo to show the cut I was talking about.

    I think it just comes down to the shape of the player and how tight they want their jersey. The only problem is they look like two different jerseys.

    Also, the Bengals orange yoke shows how different size players need different tailoring.

    It seems that every jersey in the league is custom fit to the player. Are these alterations done “in house” or does reebok do it?

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | September 27, 2006 at 11:05 am |

    article up on page 2 about the playstation nba 07 video game.
    kobe is on the cover with #24
    http://espn.go.com/p...
    and a screen cap
    http://espn.go.com/p...

    also notice the detail on the ball. it even follows the new panel system.
    http://dsp.imageg.ne...

    i wonder if it has his new forearm tattoo.
    http://images.sports...
    http://d.yimg.com/us...

  • Ian K | September 27, 2006 at 11:08 am |

    [quote comment=”10722″]From yesterday: David Carr does wear his wedding ring, and tapes over it as seen in this picture:
    http://images.tsn.ca...
    [/quote]

    Does David Carr wear his ring with tape over it, or do you think he wears white tape in place of it? I would think that would be safer and it still gets the point across.

  • Burrill | September 27, 2006 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment=”10733″]my former high school copies Notre Dame, and its a public school…[/quote]

    About a decade ago, my local high school football team (Chelsea, MI) changed its uniforms to a very ND-like look. It wasn’t a radical departure; the old uniforms had dark blue jerseys and mustard yellow pants, so the jerseys aren’t too different. And the helmets have always been gold. (Sorry — I don’t know if there are any online pictures of the old jerseys. I started photographing the team only last year.)

    I don’t know if they consciously emulated Notre Dame’s look, or if it was coincidental. But I think they look good on the field.

  • Richard | September 27, 2006 at 11:15 am |

    is it me (or my co-workers), or does it sound like I was the one who killed the Rice football player…

    I appreciate the note, but Paul, can you update this so it does not sound like I am going to be implicated in a felony…

  • JJ | September 27, 2006 at 11:16 am |

    Concerning Choo’s underbill, the legible part simply reads, “I love you.” To whom he makes it out, I don’t know. Truly offensive, eh?

  • Forrest | September 27, 2006 at 11:16 am |

    More decal news: The University of Northern Colorado will have a memorial sticker in their game Thursday against Weber State in ESPNU. It will memorialize Sam Safken, who died last week after a battle with cancer.
    No pictures yet-they should come Thursday.

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | September 27, 2006 at 11:19 am |

    Richard,
    We know you are in there. Come out with your hands behind your head, walk slowly, and don’t try anything funny.

  • Paul Lukas | September 27, 2006 at 11:20 am |

    [quote comment=”10744″]It seems that every jersey in the league is custom fit to the player. Are these alterations done “in house” or does reebok do it?[/quote]

    Reebok offers a variety of tailoring/construction templates and tries to offer each player as close to a custom fit as possible. Most teams do additional customizing in-house, although it isn’t always visible. I wrote about one such example last year.

  • Richard | September 27, 2006 at 11:21 am |

    [quote comment=”10753″]Richard,
    We know you are in there. Come out with your hands behind your head, walk slowly, and don’t try anything funny.[/quote]

    jeez, I swear I was in Massachusetts the whole time…never been to Texas, because you don’t mess with Texas.

  • Paul Lukas | September 27, 2006 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment=”10750″]Concerning Choo’s underbill, the legible part simply reads, “I love you.”[/quote]

    Wait, you mean you’ve just translated the Korean notation? Awesome! I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating: Uni Watch readers are soooooooo amazing.

  • Dan B-P | September 27, 2006 at 11:28 am |

    At first I was surprised this story didn’t make the Florida article on logos, but then I remembered where the team involved was from…

    In the mid-1990s, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers were looking to crack down on unlicesned use of their creamsicle-era Buccaneer Bruce logo. They turned their attention to Beloit College, a Division III school in southern Wisconsin with an enrollment of 1300 (including my brother). Beloit’s teams go by the name Buccaneers as well, and their logo happens to look a lot like a mirrored version of Bucco Bruce. Tampa Bay was going to take legal action until it was discovered that Beloit College had been using the logo since well before 1976, the year the NFL expanded for the Bucs. Tampa Bay retracted its claim and slunk off to redesign their entire uniform, while Beloit’s teams still use this logo (on admittedly unpleasant unis) to this day.
    Can’t find any real confirmation of this online (I doubt Tampa Bay would want to publicize it), but I heard it from a few sources growing up.

  • Jason | September 27, 2006 at 11:35 am |

    On the high school logo front, there was a high school near my hometown that was the “Fighting Kellys” and used Notre Dame’s mascot logo, facing it the other direction. Word has it that Notre Dame gave them a ‘cease and desist’ order.

    The school where I used to teach took Wisconsin’s motion ‘W’ and made the middle ‘prong’ a point, rather than blocked off like UW’s. I guess they assumed it was changed enough but there was no question was it was patterned after.

  • Chad Edwards | September 27, 2006 at 11:36 am |

    My high school has a very good design IMO. Classic and Simple (aside from the navy/navy)

    home
    http://www.tmnews.co...

    away
    http://www.tmnews.co...

    Our school nickname is “stars.” we logo looks like the Cowboys logo, but it’s not quite the same…it’s unique to us.

  • David | September 27, 2006 at 11:39 am |

    I think it is interesting to see the high school logos that are stolen from non-football sports. There is a Georgia team with an NHL logo on the page here:

  • David | September 27, 2006 at 11:40 am |

    link

    here

  • Chad Edwards | September 27, 2006 at 11:41 am |

    Also, thre’s a high school in Indy named Cathedral. They copy Notre Dame exactly. Logo, name, jerseys, it’s all a complete copy. And the #1 team in the state, Warren Central completly rips off Wisconsin’s “W”

  • Matt | September 27, 2006 at 11:44 am |

    I wonder if the Arizona/Louisville Cardinals ever go after the millions of teams with similar Cardinals logos…

  • Peter | September 27, 2006 at 11:49 am |

    It looked liked Dusty Baker had something on his underbill during his pregame press conference yesterday at Wrigley. However, I don’t have any photographic evidence of this.

  • Johnny | September 27, 2006 at 11:51 am |

    Pity on the black underbills; I excitedly bought and wore a new M’s cap all summer with the black underbill, only to discern it’s just not as aesthetically balanced as the old grey underbills. Plus the grey underbill matches road-grey unis wonderfully. Wonder if the classic uni teams like the Yankees and Tigers will fight the new underbills.

  • Adam | September 27, 2006 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment=”10757″]At first I was surprised this story didn’t make the Florida article on logos, but then I remembered where the team involved was from…

    In the mid-1990s, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers were looking to crack down on unlicesned use of their creamsicle-era Buccaneer Bruce logo. They turned their attention to Beloit College, a Division III school in southern Wisconsin with an enrollment of 1300 (including my brother). Beloit’s teams go by the name Buccaneers as well, and their logo happens to look a lot like a mirrored version of Bucco Bruce. Tampa Bay was going to take legal action until it was discovered that Beloit College had been using the logo since well before 1976, the year the NFL expanded for the Bucs. Tampa Bay retracted its claim and slunk off to redesign their entire uniform, while Beloit’s teams still use this logo (on admittedly unpleasant unis) to this day.
    Can’t find any real confirmation of this online (I doubt Tampa Bay would want to publicize it), but I heard it from a few sources growing up.[/quote]

    A few years back I worked as the play-by-play guy for Monmouth College, one of Beloit’s conference foes. I remember the Bucs having easily the worst uniforms we encountered that season, though I didn’t know they had original claim to the logo.

  • redhotfro | September 27, 2006 at 11:56 am |

    What’s next? Is Penn State going to go after high schools with a navy stripe on their helmet? Maybe Nebraska can sue a high school for using a capital ‘N’ on their helmet. Is it enough that these schools are making money off athletes that they must threaten high schools with frivolous lawsuits over thus use of a helmet decal?

  • Jeff | September 27, 2006 at 12:01 pm |

    Though it was cool to see a HS football logo inspired by an NBA team!

    http://football.bvhs...

  • 13monkeys | September 27, 2006 at 12:02 pm |

    Forgive me if this has already been discussed:

    I was playing EA Sports NHL07 the other day and was psyched to see that players had umlauts and accents appropriately placed on their nameplates.
    Is this something that the real NHL is implementing or just a cool game thing? I’ve tried to find pre-season photos of the players I noticed in game, Holmstrom, Lidstrom, Naslund, but have been unsucessful so far.

  • Lincoln | September 27, 2006 at 12:05 pm |

    I live in the Aurora, Illinois area (though not originally from here). Upon perusing the Illinois helmet project page, I thought Aurora West’s take on the Wisconsin logo was pretty damn cool. That is a great site.

  • Lincoln | September 27, 2006 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”10771″]I live in the Aurora, Illinois area (though not originally from here). Upon perusing the Illinois helmet project page, I thought Aurora West’s take on the Wisconsin logo was pretty damn cool. That is a great site.[/quote]

    Sorry, the link didn’t work like I expected. You have to click on the “Other Helmets Menu”, then click on the “Illinois HS Helmets”. Aurora West is in the fourth row, second from the left.

  • Rich | September 27, 2006 at 12:12 pm |

    All this time I’ve figured that high school teams using re-colored (or not) pro and college logos and helmet decals fell under fair use by an education institution or something of the sort.

  • Jonathon | September 27, 2006 at 12:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”10766″]Pity on the black underbills; I excitedly bought and wore a new M’s cap all summer with the black underbill, only to discern it’s just not as aesthetically balanced as the old grey underbills. Plus the grey underbill matches road-grey unis wonderfully. Wonder if the classic uni teams like the Yankees and Tigers will fight the new underbills.[/quote]

    The Tigers might not mind the black underbills. They let Kenny Rogers wear it. Or to be more precise, they let Rogers wear his performance 3930 BP caps during regular games. He blacks out the colored stripe in the bill. You can tell, b/c 3930’s have a lower profile, and a dark underbill.

    Tigers’ road 3930 with orange stripe:
    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    Kenny Rogers wearing home 3930 during a game:
    http://sports.yahoo....

    Kenny wearing the road 3930 during a game:
    http://sports.yahoo....

    I guess he has an aversion to wool. Probably just uses a black or navy sharpie to darken the brim.

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | September 27, 2006 at 12:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”10769″]Though it was cool to see a HS football logo inspired by an NBA team!

    http://football.bvhs...

    it is cool to see other sport team logos incorporated in HS or college but, i dont get that one. if the logo is adopted from the houston rockets, then it is safe to assume that the logo represents a capital R and a capital H, right? the high school there is the miami central rockets. i dont get where the H comes in.
    its like having san diego’s interlocking SD as your logo if your team name is the spartans…the other letter is just hanging there!

  • Lincoln | September 27, 2006 at 12:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”10774″]All this time I’ve figured that high school teams using re-colored (or not) pro and college logos and helmet decals fell under fair use by an education institution or something of the sort.[/quote]

    Definitely not. If there is money to made, there is no “free use”. But, if you read the article Paul linked to, Kansas State allows high school to use their logo for $1.00.

  • TBDRO | September 27, 2006 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”10757″]At first I was surprised this story didn’t make the Florida article on logos, but then I remembered where the team involved was from…

    In the mid-1990s, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers were looking to crack down on unlicesned use of their creamsicle-era Buccaneer Bruce logo. They turned their attention to Beloit College, a Division III school in southern Wisconsin with an enrollment of 1300 (including my brother). Beloit’s teams go by the name Buccaneers as well, and their logo happens to look a lot like a mirrored version of Bucco Bruce. Tampa Bay was going to take legal action until it was discovered that Beloit College had been using the logo since well before 1976, the year the NFL expanded for the Bucs. Tampa Bay retracted its claim and slunk off to redesign their entire uniform, while Beloit’s teams still use this logo (on admittedly unpleasant unis) to this day.
    Can’t find any real confirmation of this online (I doubt Tampa Bay would want to publicize it), but I heard it from a few sources growing up.[/quote]
    I find that hard to believe. “Bucco Bruce” was designed by Lamar Sparkman, an artist and cartoonist for the Tampa Tribune. Somehow I don’t think the Buccaneers “borrowed” the logo from Beloit…

  • Jason | September 27, 2006 at 12:24 pm |

    The Milwaukee Bucks are unveiling new (purple-free) uniforms tomorrow at a season ticket holder function. Anyone have any leaks about those?

  • jesse | September 27, 2006 at 12:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”10768″]What’s next? Is Penn State going to go after high schools with a navy stripe on their helmet? Maybe Nebraska can sue a high school for using a capital ‘N’ on their helmet. Is it enough that these schools are making money off athletes that they must threaten high schools with frivolous lawsuits over thus use of a helmet decal?[/quote]

    Not for using a navy stripe but for use of its copyrighted images and logos…Penn State is very protective of those images and I know they have sent cease and desist letters to High Schools (Permian High School, of Friday Night Lights fame, used to use the chipmunk Lion logo). Incidentally, “Penn State” is trade mark of the Pennsylvania State University and can’t be used on a t-shirt without the permission of the University. Notre Dame cannot copyright Navy Blue, Gold or helmets with nothing on them; hence they are fair game to your local high school.

    Duquesne University and the Detroit Tigers had protracted litigation over the use of the script D, based primarily over who used it first. It settled when they agreed the script D’s they were using were slightly different. For similar reasons there can be no litigation over the use of the “winged” design favored by Princeton and Michigan, since both schools have used it for so long, although as any uniwatch reader knows, Princeton used it first.

    On another (similar) matter, I believe that the Seahawks and Eagles and Tampa all created new colors for the express purpose of obtaining legal protection for the use of that color. While you can’t patent Navy Blue, you protect “Seahawk Blue”, if you can prove you invented it. I notice this because I live in Pittsburgh which is rife with Black and Yellow hats that simply say “Pittsburgh”, which is perfectly legal under copyright laws. Because the name of a city, or common colors such as Black and Yellow cannot be protected under trademark or copyright laws.

  • Elwood | September 27, 2006 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”10768″]What’s next? Is Penn State going to go after high schools with a navy stripe on their helmet? Maybe Nebraska can sue a high school for using a capital ‘N’ on their helmet. Is it enough that these schools are making money off athletes that they must threaten high schools with frivolous lawsuits over thus use of a helmet decal?[/quote]

    Trademark holders have to defend their trademarks or risk losing them. They are not frivolous lawsuits.

    I also doubt that Penn State has a trademark for a stripe or that Nebraska has a trademark for a simple block N.

  • a arauz | September 27, 2006 at 12:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”10765″]It looked liked Dusty Baker had something on his underbill during his pregame press conference yesterday at Wrigley. However, I don’t have any photographic evidence of this.[/quote]
    It was probably his resume as his days destroying the cubbies’ pitching staff are dwindling down.

  • a arauz | September 27, 2006 at 12:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”10769″]Though it was cool to see a HS football logo inspired by an NBA team!

    http://football.bvhs...
    If they ever decide on a remake of the Kurt Russell/Robin Williams movie (time of their lives???). they could use these helmets, their high school team was the Rockets’, right?
    anyone… anyone…. buehler… beuhler… buehler….

  • skott | September 27, 2006 at 12:42 pm |

    copying: didn’t the guy from princeton go to michigan and take the helmet logo w/ him?
    all of those H.S. teams are biting on Princeton, not Michigan.

    SIDENOTE:

    maybe you should do a bit about what uni’s should change and to what?

    i love the old Patriots logo, but still kinda like the new one…but i HATE the silver helmets…how could we discuss what we’d change about current logos in a constructive way?

  • Pat | September 27, 2006 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”10768″]What’s next? Is Penn State going to go after high schools with a navy stripe on their helmet? Maybe Nebraska can sue a high school for using a capital ‘N’ on their helmet. Is it enough that these schools are making money off athletes that they must threaten high schools with frivolous lawsuits over thus use of a helmet decal?[/quote]
    I don’t think any of these schools really care about teams using the logos on their helmets but when the booster clubs start selling t-shirts, it becomes another matter with lots of people getting involved.

    http://129.130.29.13...

  • Peter Wunsch | September 27, 2006 at 12:47 pm |

    watching “my” ny rangers the other night I noticed that the player’s names were not stitched on in the usual tackle twill lettering.. instead, for pre-season they use the cheap-o iron-on variety… even the vets have the “lee press-on lettering

    Of course these are the same Rangers who force season ticketholders to purchase 3 exhibition games and pay full price for them while using minor leaguers in the game.

    Also, Reggie Roby always wore a watch while punting. One of the TV announcers stated that he did it to time how long his punts were airborne.

  • Chad | September 27, 2006 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”10776″][quote comment=”10769″]Though it was cool to see a HS football logo inspired by an NBA team!

    http://football.bvhs...

    it is cool to see other sport team logos incorporated in HS or college but, i dont get that one. if the logo is adopted from the houston rockets, then it is safe to assume that the logo represents a capital R and a capital H, right? the high school there is the miami central rockets. i dont get where the H comes in.
    its like having san diego’s interlocking SD as your logo if your team name is the spartans…the other letter is just hanging there![/quote]

    Huh, I never realized that was an HR until now, thanks for pointing it out!

  • Michael | September 27, 2006 at 12:52 pm |

    I’ve heard of some high schools here in GA somehow buying the rights to use modified versions of certain team’s logos. One instance I know of is Oglethorpe County using the Patriots ‘Flying Elvis’ logo http://www.oglethorp... notice how the logo is all over the web site lol. I became aware of this through family connections that worked in that school system for 30 plus years. So there seems to be some sort of legal process to use a logo if the owner of that logo is willing to allow a high school to use it. Personally I’d prefer to see schools with there own original logos if possible rather than modifying an existing one.

  • Buckeye Mike | September 27, 2006 at 1:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”10730″]Very interesting article on HS football teams copying college and NFL team logos.

    Does anyone know how colleges can “copy” each other, without there being the usual cease and desist letters flying around? For instance Michigan, Princeton and Delaware?[/quote]

    As much as I HATE Michigan, the reason Delaware has the same helmets and unis is b/c one of there coaches came from UM, either as a couch or assist. or maybe even player, i’m not sure without looking it up, that much I know. ok, so I looked it up, his name was David M. Nelson and u can read about it here. But like Beano Cook said, “Michigan has the best helmets, but like Germany, it will find a way to lose”

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | September 27, 2006 at 1:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”10783″][quote comment=”10769″]Though it was cool to see a HS football logo inspired by an NBA team!

    http://football.bvhs...
    If they ever decide on a remake of the Kurt Russell/Robin Williams movie (time of their lives???). they could use these helmets, their high school team was the Rockets’, right?
    anyone… anyone…. buehler… beuhler… buehler….[/quote]

    dude! the best of times! a great movie! one of my all time favorites!

    i always thought that taft’s rival (bakersfield) was to be based on legendary ohio powerhouse massilon, but its not.

    interesting uni nugget on this movie, reno hightower (russell) was famous in high school for wearing white shoes to play (very joe namath if you ask me). in the rematch, he comes out in the first half in black spikes, sucks, and after a deluge, comes out for the 2nd half wearing the white shoes. at which point one of the townies says “look! he’s wearing his white shoes!”

  • MetsfanAZ | September 27, 2006 at 1:06 pm |

    How about the “G” for Green Bay, Georgia and Grambling? Who had it first? Does anyone else have it?

  • Adam | September 27, 2006 at 1:06 pm |

    TriCity, a Georgia HS football team using a baseball logo.

  • Adam | September 27, 2006 at 1:11 pm |

    On a second run-through of the Georgia site, I found three other schools using a modification of the Twins’ “interlocking TC” logo.

  • tim | September 27, 2006 at 1:19 pm |

    I’m gonna ask the obvious question posed by today’s events.

    When T.O. gets back on the field are they going to keep him away from shoe laces and belts? He’s gonna look pretty weird with velcro cleats.

  • Kevin | September 27, 2006 at 1:19 pm |

    Some Nationals relievers have their nicknames either written or burned on their cap underbills. I think this was former bullpen coach John Wetteland’s innovation. Rauch’s says “Wookiee,” although I’m not sure he has it spelled correctly. Chad Cordero’s says “Chief.” I’m not sure whether the other bullpen guys have nicknames and if they still do this since Wetteland got fired in June.

  • Brian from Short Island | September 27, 2006 at 1:20 pm |

    My HS doesn’t have a football team, but my local HS uses Alabama uniforms in Maroon (not crimson!), school name in block letters above the numbers. Helmet decals are your uniform number. Classy IMO.

  • Jonathon | September 27, 2006 at 1:30 pm |

    Tuscaloosa County also uses the TC logo.

    Go to 6A, Region 5

    http://www.mysportsp...

  • Rich | September 27, 2006 at 1:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”10783″][quote comment=”10769″]Though it was cool to see a HS football logo inspired by an NBA team!

    http://football.bvhs...
    If they ever decide on a remake of the Kurt Russell/Robin Williams movie (time of their lives???). they could use these helmets, their high school team was the Rockets’, right?
    anyone… anyone…. buehler… beuhler… buehler….[/quote]

    The movie is “The Best of Times”

  • Ian K | September 27, 2006 at 1:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”10777″][quote comment=”10774″]All this time I’ve figured that high school teams using re-colored (or not) pro and college logos and helmet decals fell under fair use by an education institution or something of the sort.[/quote]

    Definitely not. If there is money to made, there is no “free use”. But, if you read the article Paul linked to, Kansas State allows high school to use their logo for $1.00.[/quote]

    Back in 2000, Kansas State sued a high school from my hometown of Flower Mound, TX over use of their Powercat logo. K State uses purple while the school (Flower Mound High Jaguars) used navy & gold, and added whiskers and spots. Here is their version of the Powercat logo.

    With all the borrowed logos from pro and college, it surprised me when K State pressed with litigation. The school had only been open for 6 months and had to change their uniforms and re-floor the gym with a different logo.

    Of interest to me is how their new helmet logo resembles the NY Jets helmet logo. No lawsuit from the Jets though…

    Luckily I went to crosstown Marcus High School, where we had our own idea of what a “good logo” is. Luckily the uniform looks like this.

    Here’s the story from January 20, 2000. I was unable to link using a cached Google page though:
    http://www.google.co...

  • Kim | September 27, 2006 at 1:35 pm |

    The Washington Post’s DC Sports Bog (don’t ask) has mention of a Washington Wizards ‘Alternate Road’ uni for the upcoming season. Black and gold. Who else is worried?

    http://blog.washingt...

  • Michael | September 27, 2006 at 1:46 pm |

    The oval G was originated by the Green Bay Packers then in the sixties Vince Dooley had an athletic department employee modify it for UGA’s use. Later on Green Bay gave UGA & Grambling the permission to use it.

    Another interesting case of a high school team using a college or NFL logo is the Grayson Rams, there helmet has the famous Ram horns & the secondary logo is the oval G. http://www.graysonra...

  • Barney | September 27, 2006 at 1:52 pm |

    Paul may be happy to now that Bishop Guertin High School in Nashua NH uses Packers replica uniforms. In fact, when the school started in the early 60’s, the Packers donated the uniforms. Urban legend has it that former Lions QB Greg Landry of Nashua was the go between to make this happen. The only drawback is that Bishop Guertin’s nickname is the Cardinals (Catholic connection: Bishop, Cardinal, duhh) and they occasionally slap a red replica cardinals logo on their uniforms.

  • a arauz | September 27, 2006 at 2:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”10795″]I’m gonna ask the obvious question posed by today’s events.

    When T.O. gets back on the field are they going to keep him away from shoe laces and belts? He’s gonna look pretty weird with velcro cleats.[/quote]
    I propose a T.O.-free zone here today… can anyone second that motion? :)

  • Kenny | September 27, 2006 at 2:07 pm |

    This was pretty cool I wonder if anyone has ever thought of actually using these for a H.S. football team

  • todd krevanchi (krvanch) | September 27, 2006 at 2:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”10804″]The Washington Post’s DC Sports Bog (don’t ask) has mention of a Washington Wizards ‘Alternate Road’ uni for the upcoming season. Black and gold. Who else is worried?

    http://blog.washingt...

    hmm, i can hear people hitting photoshop creating that wizards uni…

    other alternate nba news, i really dig that red nets alternate that was posted yesterday by michael…

    [quote comment=”10618″]
    The Nets have New Red Alternates.[/quote]

  • Phil | September 27, 2006 at 2:09 pm |

    Why just today. T.O. Free forever !!

  • Teebz | September 27, 2006 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”10802″][quote comment=”10783″][quote comment=”10769″]Though it was cool to see a HS football logo inspired by an NBA team!

    http://football.bvhs...
    If they ever decide on a remake of the Kurt Russell/Robin Williams movie (time of their lives???). they could use these helmets, their high school team was the Rockets’, right?
    anyone… anyone…. buehler… beuhler… buehler….[/quote]

    The movie is “The Best of Times”[/quote]

    And I’ll follow the movie aesthetics up with “Bueller”, not Buehler. :o)

  • Pat | September 27, 2006 at 2:14 pm |

    Can we all atleast agree that copyright infringement is okay in atleast one case.

    http://upload.wikime...

  • specs | September 27, 2006 at 2:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”10809″]This was pretty cool I wonder if anyone has ever thought of actually using these for a H.S. football team[/quote]

    That is a cool idea to create MLB football helmets, if for nothing else than to see what they look like. But I thought they really messed some of them up. Why would the Pirates have metallic gold helmets instead of black or yellow? And I can’t imagine the Tigers using the D with the tiger instead of the old English D.

  • Kenny | September 27, 2006 at 2:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”10814″][quote comment=”10809″]This was pretty cool I wonder if anyone has ever thought of actually using these for a H.S. football team[/quote]

    That is a cool idea to create MLB football helmets, if for nothing else than to see what they look like. But I thought they really messed some of them up. Why would the Pirates have metallic gold helmets instead of black or yellow? And I can’t imagine the Tigers using the D with the tiger instead of the old English D.[/quote]

    Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I would have also like to see this Birds on Bat than this STL. There were some other I didn’t prefer either.

  • Sebastian | September 27, 2006 at 2:35 pm |

    [/quote]

    The Tigers might not mind the black underbills. They let Kenny Rogers wear it. Or to be more precise, they let Rogers wear his performance 3930 BP caps during regular games. He blacks out the colored stripe in the bill. You can tell, b/c 3930’s have a lower profile, and a dark underbill.

    Tigers’ road 3930 with orange stripe:
    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    Kenny Rogers wearing home 3930 during a game:
    http://sports.yahoo....

    Kenny wearing the road 3930 during a game:
    http://sports.yahoo....

    I guess he has an aversion to wool. Probably just uses a black or navy sharpie to darken the brim.[/quote]

    Finally! Kenny Rogers’ hat has been bothering me all season since he’s been with the Tigers. I couldn’t figure out if it was just a batting practice cap or if it was something else that was specially made. thanks for the clarification

  • Sebastian | September 27, 2006 at 2:53 pm |

    Oops I totally messed up that quote – it’s from post 49 btw. sorry about that

  • James | September 27, 2006 at 3:02 pm |

    Hey Adam Denob: Its spelled KASAY [end of comment deleted, knock it off -webmaster edit]

  • Steve | September 27, 2006 at 3:05 pm |

    I have SI’s “The Football Book.” It is pretty detailed and interesting. Of course, lots of vintage photographs that are handy for reference. I hope their baseball version is as good.

  • Steve | September 27, 2006 at 3:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”10803″][quote comment=”10777″][quote comment=”10774″]All this time I’ve figured that high school teams using re-colored (or not) pro and college logos and helmet decals fell under fair use by an education institution or something of the sort.[/quote]

    Definitely not. If there is money to made, there is no “free use”. But, if you read the article Paul linked to, Kansas State allows high school to use their logo for $1.00.[/quote]

    Back in 2000, Kansas State sued a high school from my hometown of Flower Mound, TX over use of their Powercat logo. K State uses purple while the school (Flower Mound High Jaguars) used navy & gold, and added whiskers and spots. Here is their version of the Powercat logo.

    With all the borrowed logos from pro and college, it surprised me when K State pressed with litigation. The school had only been open for 6 months and had to change their uniforms and re-floor the gym with a different logo.

    Of interest to me is how their new helmet logo resembles the NY Jets helmet logo. No lawsuit from the Jets though…

    Luckily I went to crosstown Marcus High School, where we had our own idea of what a “good logo” is. Luckily the uniform looks like this.

    Here’s the story from January 20, 2000. I was unable to link using a cached Google page though:
    http://www.google.co...“[/quote]

    The Marchus uniform looks better than the logo. But even it is a copy of the old Ohio State uniform.

  • Matthew | September 27, 2006 at 3:40 pm |

    My high school’s mascot is the Eagles, so they copy the basic outline of the Philaedelphia Eagles uniforms, only in red in white.

    They uniforms used to be maroon and white (home jerseys solid red-maroon jerseys and white pants, reverse for road uniforms…very classy), but much to my dismay I have discovered in the 5 1/2 years since I graduated that they are now supplied by Adidas and have horrific red swathes over the shoulders of an otherwise white jersey which can be sort of seen here: http://www.sths.org/...

    It was all this talk of High School uniforms that caused me to look up my alma mater’s uniforms and now I wish I hadn’t. Ignorance was bliss.

  • Nik | September 27, 2006 at 4:06 pm |

    My high school has a similar logo to the New England Patriots.

    I’m not sure when the Patriots started using their new logo, but my school opened in 1992, and I think they had that logo the whole time.

    I don’t know for sure though. I was 8.

    They are the Champlin Park Rebels, if anyone cares to search.

  • Minna H | September 27, 2006 at 4:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”10819″]Hey Adam Denob: Its spelled KASAY you idiot[/quote]

    Hey, James, there’s no need for name-calling. Come on, now.

    My high school football team: Irondale Knights. Classy, even with the monochrome look. However, I don’t know what the hell is up with this. I think they are dancers for the marching band. What the?

  • Chip Bell | September 27, 2006 at 4:17 pm |

    I just got a new Star Struck catalog. On page 29 is a new jacket from Majestic called “Alternate Color Premier Jacket”. They have a navy blue Cardinals jacket, the Braves and Pirates jackets are red. The Cubs, Yankees, Red Sox and White Sox jackets are gray. And the Mets alternate color is blue.

  • James | September 27, 2006 at 4:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”10826″][quote comment=”10819″]Hey Adam Denob: Its spelled KASAY you idiot[/quote]

    Hey, James, there’s no need for name-calling. Come on, now.

    My high school football team: Irondale Knights. Classy, even with the monochrome look. However, I don’t know what the hell is up with this. I think they are dancers for the marching band. What the?[/quote]

    Sure there is, that idiot mispelled the name.

    Actually, Adam will be a groomsman in my upcoming wedding so it was all in fun. He has already called me about it. And besides, he already knows he’s an idiot.

    [Don’t do it here, no one knows you know him -webmaster edit]

  • Warren Thompson | September 27, 2006 at 4:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”10790″][quote comment=”10730″]Very interesting article on HS football teams copying college and NFL team logos.

    Does anyone know how colleges can “copy” each other, without there being the usual cease and desist letters flying around? For instance Michigan, Princeton and Delaware?[/quote]

    As much as I HATE Michigan, the reason Delaware has the same helmets and unis is b/c one of there coaches came from UM, either as a couch or assist. or maybe even player, i’m not sure without looking it up, that much I know. ok, so I looked it up, his name was David M. Nelson and u can read about it here. But like Beano Cook said, “Michigan has the best helmets, but like Germany, it will find a way to lose”[/quote]

    Keep in mind that the old Princeton/Michigan winged helmet with three front-to-back stripes was leather, and the wings and stripes were actually additional pieces of leather stitched onto the shell.

    And BTW I believe the U. of Delaware sports a slightly lighter shade of blue than Michigan’s virtually navy tone.

  • Rich | September 27, 2006 at 4:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”10829″][quote comment=”10826″][quote comment=”10819″]Hey Adam Denob: Its spelled KASAY you idiot[/quote]

    Hey, James, there’s no need for name-calling. Come on, now.

    My high school football team: Irondale Knights. Classy, even with the monochrome look. However, I don’t know what the hell is up with this. I think they are dancers for the marching band. What the?[/quote]

    Sure there is, that idiot mispelled the name.

    Actually, Adam will be a groomsman in my upcoming wedding so it was all in fun. He has already called me about it. And besides, he already knows he’s an idiot.[/quote]

    Looks like she’s part of the flag corps. It’s not unusual for them to have different color outfits and/or flags than the regular school colors, at least for my school. (I don’t know about PINK though!)

  • Minna H | September 27, 2006 at 4:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”10829″]
    Sure there is, that idiot mispelled the name.

    Actually, Adam will be a groomsman in my upcoming wedding so it was all in fun. He has already called me about it. And besides, he already knows he’s an idiot.[/quote]

    Oops! It’s hard to read tone on a board, and we’ve had some name-calling in the past. Glad to know it’s just good-natured ribbing between friends. Carry on, and congrats on your upcoming nuptials, James. May you critique unis with your bride for many years to come.

  • Warren Thompson | September 27, 2006 at 4:30 pm |

    The original winged helmet with stripes was simply the design of a leather helmet. Princeton apparently was the first venue to paint the design in contrasting colors. The same manufacturer, as I recall, also made a similar model featuring the wings sans the stripes. Michigan State used the latter, again, as I recall, in their final years wearing black and gold and early years with green and white. In both color combinations, these helmets had a block-S on the wings.

  • Minna H | September 27, 2006 at 4:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”10833″]
    Looks like she’s part of the flag corps. It’s not unusual for them to have different color outfits and/or flags than the regular school colors, at least for my school. (I don’t know about PINK though!)[/quote]

    Rich, I figured it was something like that (had an ex in marching band, so I know more aboout them than I would prefer), but the horrors! That outfit—including makeup—is like my worst nightmare come true!

  • ESS | September 27, 2006 at 4:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”10830″][quote comment=”10790″][quote comment=”10730″]Very interesting article on HS football teams copying college and NFL team logos.

    Does anyone know how colleges can “copy” each other, without there being the usual cease and desist letters flying around? For instance Michigan, Princeton and Delaware?[/quote]

    As much as I HATE Michigan, the reason Delaware has the same helmets and unis is b/c one of there coaches came from UM, either as a couch or assist. or maybe even player, i’m not sure without looking it up, that much I know. ok, so I looked it up, his name was David M. Nelson and u can read about it here. But like Beano Cook said, “Michigan has the best helmets, but like Germany, it will find a way to lose”[/quote]

    Keep in mind that the old Princeton/Michigan winged helmet with three front-to-back stripes was leather, and the wings and stripes were actually additional pieces of leather stitched onto the shell.

    And BTW I believe the U. of Delaware sports a slightly lighter shade of blue than Michigan’s virtually navy tone.[/quote]

    Here is UD’s helmet. Being a season ticket holder I can tell you they are very close to Michigan’s helmet color. The blue in the jersey and the yellow in the pants are nowhere near the maize and blue.

  • tyler durden as krvanch | September 27, 2006 at 4:45 pm |

    I am Jack’s incessant need for uniform minutiae.

  • Jeff E. | September 27, 2006 at 4:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”10814″][quote comment=”10809″]This was pretty cool I wonder if anyone has ever thought of actually using these for a H.S. football team[/quote]

    That is a cool idea to create MLB football helmets, if for nothing else than to see what they look like. But I thought they really messed some of them up. Why would the Pirates have metallic gold helmets instead of black or yellow? And I can’t imagine the Tigers using the D with the tiger instead of the old English D.[/quote]

    I initially thought that too about the Tigers helmut, but after looking at it more, I like it. It reminds me a of the old Denver Broncos helmut with the big “D” and the horse in the middle of it. I think the Tigers used that logo on their road hats (or maybe it was their BP hat) a few years ago.

  • Frank Mercogliano | September 27, 2006 at 5:00 pm |

    I hope this doesn’t get lost, but here’s a great THROWBACK ALERT. Montana State (the I-AA team that beat Colorado) celebrated their 1976 Division II National Championship squad with throwbacks…

    They normally wear this…

    http://www.bobcatnat...

    …which despite the blue on blue looks pretty good (and their helmets rock).

    But against Eastern Washington on Saturday, they went back to these sweet deals…

    http://www.bobcatnat...

    Pretty good recreation, and nice job of removing all the logos and stuff off the helmets to get them to the 1976 gold version.

    Frank

  • Dave | September 27, 2006 at 5:04 pm |

    I always thought it was interesting that Eastern Michigan borrowed helmet designs from three different NFL teams over the years.
    1967-75: Packers
    1993-95: Eagles
    2000-01: Jets

    Go to this site, click on Mid American Western Division, and scroll down to see the historical EMU helmet.

  • James | September 27, 2006 at 5:12 pm |

    Did that high school kid spil orange juice onto his USFL uniform before the game?

  • Warren Thompson | September 27, 2006 at 5:21 pm |

    [quote]Here is UD’s helmet. Being a season ticket holder I can tell you they are very close to Michigan’s helmet color. The blue in the jersey and the yellow in the pants are nowhere near the maize and blue.[/quote]

    Sorry. I should have said I was referring to the jersey color. (And I wonder why the helmet blue and jersey blue don’t match. I noticed that a number of years ago when I watched the ‘Hens while on sabbatical at UD.)

  • Warren Thompson | September 27, 2006 at 5:26 pm |

    Kindly forgive the double post above. Obviously, I did something wrong.
    [Fixed. -webmaster edit]

  • Jill | September 27, 2006 at 5:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”10826″]

    My high school football team: Irondale Knights. Classy, even with the monochrome look. However, I don’t know what the hell is up with this. I think they are dancers for the marching band. What the?[/quote]

    They should pair that skirt with one of those pink ‘ladies’ NFL shirts (I can’t call them jerseys.)

  • Warren Thompson | September 27, 2006 at 5:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”10842″]I hope this doesn’t get lost, but here’s a great THROWBACK ALERT. Montana State (the I-AA team that beat Colorado) celebrated their 1976 Division II National Championship squad with throwbacks…

    They normally wear this…

    http://www.bobcatnat...

    …which despite the blue on blue looks pretty good (and their helmets rock).

    But against Eastern Washington on Saturday, they went back to these sweet deals…

    http://www.bobcatnat...

    Pretty good recreation, and nice job of removing all the logos and stuff off the helmets to get them to the 1976 gold version.

    Frank[/quote]

    The “throwbacks” look vastly better, though the shiny gold helmet clashes with the yellowish numbers and pants. Sport one or the other, but — jeez! — not both.

  • frankenslade | September 27, 2006 at 5:49 pm |

    Just learned about this blog. Fantastic! I’ve been a fan of the ESPN.com pieces. Good to see a mention of the double-flap batting helmet. My son and I were wondering the other day if anyone beside the Phils’ Shane Victorino sports this look. Most of the Phillies wear those newfangled helmets with the side vents, but I guess that company doesn’t make a double-flap version. Victorino looks like he picked up a helmet from a Little League team. I’m all for the double-flaps!

  • Steve-O | September 27, 2006 at 5:57 pm |

    hey paul, i love your site!!! and all you fellow uni-watch bloggers, you guys are awesome!! i just have one suggestion. paul, would you please write an article about the different facemask football players wear?? thanx.

  • Andy Head | September 27, 2006 at 6:03 pm |

    For any WHL enthusiasts out there… the Everett Silvertips have announced that they will unveil a new alternate jersey on Saturday. Supposedly it will be the team’s forest green color with their alternate “claw E” logo on the front. I’ll post pictures next week…

  • Dane | September 27, 2006 at 6:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”10747″][quote comment=”10722″]From yesterday: David Carr does wear his wedding ring, and tapes over it as seen in this picture:
    http://images.tsn.ca...
    [/quote]

    Does David Carr wear his ring with tape over it, or do you think he wears white tape in place of it? I would think that would be safer and it still gets the point across.[/quote]

    I do remember first hearing this story during the NFL Draft when he went first overall. If you Google “David Carr wedding ring”, you’ll find several postings that say that he does indeed wear the ring under the tape.

  • justin | September 27, 2006 at 6:11 pm |

    As an Everett, WA resident, I look forward to the new alternate jersey for the ‘Tips. I don’t particularly care for the ‘tree lined’ trim on their current jerseys.

  • justin | September 27, 2006 at 6:18 pm |

    Sorry for another post on a minor league hockey team, but here is the link to the article from the Everett Silvertips website regarding the new jerseys. Apparently, they are going to be the first team with TWO alternate jerseys. I assume they will be the same, one white, one green. We’ll see…

    Click here.

  • Timmy B | September 27, 2006 at 7:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”10809″]This was pretty cool I wonder if anyone has ever thought of actually using these for a H.S. football team[/quote]

    Those are cool. In my opinion the Braves, Orioles, Astros, Dodgers, A’s, Yankees, and Marlins helmets are the best of the lot. And I’d like to see the uniform that would go with the Mets helmet. Wooooooooooo…….

  • Elliott | September 27, 2006 at 7:18 pm |

    My high school, the A.E. Stevenson Patriots (who are going to win state), uses the current and old New England Patriots logos in green and gold. I don’t know if we use one or the other in games, but I have definantly seen both in the halls and stuff.
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  • Elliott | September 27, 2006 at 7:19 pm |
  • John Ekdahl | September 27, 2006 at 7:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”10863″]My high school, the A.E. Stevenson Patriots (who are going to win state), uses the current and old New England Patriots logos in green and gold. [/quote]
    No offense, but how can a school have green and gold as colors and “patriots” as a mascot?

  • Warren Thompson | September 27, 2006 at 7:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”10849″]Kindly forgive the double post above. Obviously, I did something wrong.
    [Fixed. -webmaster edit][/quote]

    Thanks, “webmaster edit” ….

  • Elliott | September 27, 2006 at 7:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”10865″][quote comment=”10863″]My high school, the A.E. Stevenson Patriots (who are going to win state), uses the current and old New England Patriots logos in green and gold. [/quote]
    No offense, but how can a school have green and gold as colors and “patriots” as a mascot?[/quote]

    When we were founded, the board was voting on green and gold for the Packers and blue and orage for the Bears. Swear to god. (Funny thing is, we’re in Chicago)

  • Kyle | September 27, 2006 at 7:54 pm |

    My old HS football team wears the Philadelphia Eagles’ eagle head logo in red white and blue (plus some nasty monochrome unis)

    Anybody watching the Nationals – Phillies game know what’s going on with Ryan Zimmerman’s undershirt? It looks like it’s made out of fish scales or something.

  • Kyle | September 27, 2006 at 7:56 pm |

    whoops…i messed something up on that last post. Somehow that text ended up being the link to my HS football team. The comment about zimmerman was separate.

  • Mikey | September 27, 2006 at 8:18 pm |

    Paul,
    As a Espn.com page2 contributer, what is your take on the Jason Whitlock departure and subsequent removal from all Espn on air appearences? Seems like there is some serious hard feelings.

    This is his article in the KC Star

  • Minna H | September 27, 2006 at 8:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”10851″][quote comment=”10826″]

    My high school football team: Irondale Knights. Classy, even with the monochrome look. However, I don’t know what the hell is up with this. I think they are dancers for the marching band. What the?[/quote]

    They should pair that skirt with one of those pink ‘ladies’ NFL shirts (I can’t call them jerseys.)[/quote]

    Jill, thanks for that horrible image which is permanently branded on my brain. Hey, maybe you and I could whip up a couple of those costumes and be the Uni Watch Cheer Team!

    *Crickets chirping*

    On second thought, maybe not…

  • Kyle | September 27, 2006 at 8:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”10871″]Paul,
    As a Espn.com page2 contributer, what is your take on the Jason Whitlock departure and subsequent removal from all Espn on air appearences? Seems like there is some serious hard feelings.

    This is his article in the KC Star[/quote]

    Shame on you ESPN

  • Paul Lukas | September 27, 2006 at 8:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”10871″]Paul, As a Espn.com page2 contributer, what is your take on the Jason Whitlock departure and subsequent removal from all Espn on air appearences?[/quote]

    Aside from what’s already been made public, I know exactly zero about that situation. Aside from trading occasional “Nice column!” emails with Jim Caple, I don’t really communicate with the other P2 writers. I don’t mean that I avoid them, or that they avoid me (not to my knowledge, at least) — I just mean we’re not all one big chummy social club or anything like that. This is pretty typical of freelance contributors. I write for a lot of magazines and newspapers, but for the most part I only know the editors I work with, not the other writers.

  • Gerry | September 27, 2006 at 8:48 pm |

    I was pretty proud of my old high school colors and uni’s, so I went to check on what the uniforms look like now.
    WHOA!!! Not at all what I was expecting…scroll through the pictures to check more pics

    Go Blades!

  • Dan from PC | September 27, 2006 at 8:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”10865″][quote comment=”10863″]My high school, the A.E. Stevenson Patriots (who are going to win state), uses the current and old New England Patriots logos in green and gold. [/quote]
    No offense, but how can a school have green and gold as colors and “patriots” as a mascot?[/quote]

    Ek,

    My high school (Ward Melville High School in Suffolk County NY if you wanna check it out on the NY Helmet page) also goes with green and gold colors with the Patriot mascot…my Junior year 5 years ago, we unveiled new unis using the Elvis Patriot head…thankfully those logos never made it to our baseball team which i was a part of…we had sweet grey vests with green shirts

  • concealed78 | September 27, 2006 at 9:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”10733″]my former high school copies Notre Dame, and its a public school…[/quote]

    My former high school used West Virginia’s WV sans the left serif, and uses green and yellow instead. My stupid Chicago suburb former high school intentionally picked Green Bay Packers colors. **spits**

  • Baines | September 27, 2006 at 9:46 pm |

    Zach Duke of the Pirates is also another pitcher that you can add to the ranks of those who write on their underbills. For photos of this, check out the link, and click the photo gallery option on the page.

    Link

  • Vincent A. Cipollone | September 27, 2006 at 10:00 pm |

    Broward County, Florida is the capital of stolen helmet logos.

    Here’s another team with Patriot logos on their helmets:
    Dillard High

    Here’s a baseball logo on the helmet:
    Plantation High

    The Michigan State Spartans’ logo is on the team with the blue helmets:
    Hollywood Hills High

    The Pittsburgh Panthers’ logo is on the silver helmets:
    Dillard High

    Actually, that game is the Stolen Logo Bowl… Sorry, I’ll get back to the posting of pictures…

    Not sure why, but Dillard High has different helmets here.

  • Plasters | September 27, 2006 at 10:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”10865″][quote comment=”10863″]My high school, the A.E. Stevenson Patriots (who are going to win state), uses the current and old New England Patriots logos in green and gold. [/quote]
    No offense, but how can a school have green and gold as colors and “patriots” as a mascot?[/quote]

    http://gomason.cstv....

  • C.J. Andringa | September 27, 2006 at 11:32 pm |

    My nominee for sweetest high school helmet design is the St. Paul Swordsmen of Santa Fe Springs, Calif.

    Plain white helmet, old-school numbers on the sides, but the unique thing is the center “stripe” — it’s actually a sword graphic, running front to back.

    Picture of the back here, on the left edge of the pic. Note the sword handle at the base of the helmet.

    Picture of the front here, lower center. The sword tip is the front of the “stripe.”

  • Bryan S | September 28, 2006 at 12:04 am |

    More Nationals honoring injured Nick Johnson tonight: Brian Schneider, Austin Kearns, and Robert Fick are all wearing Johnsons’s #24 Under Armour wrist bands (and Fick is clad in some nice stirrups.)

  • Scott W | September 28, 2006 at 12:18 am |

    [quote comment=”10833″]

    Looks like she’s part of the flag corps. It’s not unusual for them to have different color outfits and/or flags than the regular school colors, at least for my school. (I don’t know about PINK though!)[/quote]

    I’ve never really heard of it as the “flag corps.” Every marching band I’ve seen (high school, college, drum corps) has referred to them as the “color guard.” this was true at my high school. i was in the marching band for four years there. I’m currently in the San Jose State Spartan Marching Band .

    And sadly, yes, I do have a friend in the University of “Ugly Uniform” Oregon Marching Band.

    If you guys ever need a marching band resident expert, I’m your man.

    And don’t start with those “One time, at band camp…” jokes. TRUST ME, I’ve heard ’em all.

  • Ian K | September 28, 2006 at 12:25 am |

    [quote comment=”10893″]More Nationals honoring injured Nick Johnson tonight: Brian Schneider, Austin Kearns, and Robert Fick are all wearing Johnsons’s #24 Under Armour wrist bands (and Fick is clad in some nice stirrups.)[/quote]

    Fick’s stirrups are sweet! I got some good screen grabs, sort of. By screen grabs I mean pausing the Tivo and snapping a photo off my awesome new 42″ plasma:
    Fick at bat
    Fick rounding first

  • Paul Lukas | September 28, 2006 at 12:41 am |

    [quote comment=”10895″]Fick’s stirrups are sweet![/quote]

    Indeed. He also has his pants exactly right. But for the record, Fick always wears stirrups, not just when Nick Johnson is injured.

  • Wayne | September 28, 2006 at 12:57 am |

    I know Paul has been mentioning underbill messages for a while now, but I don’t remember anyone mentioning that Hideo Nomo used to have “#16” inscribed on the side of his hat’s underbill. I noticed this back in 1996 and copied him by writing Ray Lankford’s number (also #16)on the underbill of my Cardinals hat. This, of course, was done when Ray was good and my favorite player.

  • Buckeye Mike | September 28, 2006 at 1:46 am |

    [quote comment=”10895″]

    Fick’s stirrups are sweet! I got some good screen grabs, sort of. By screen grabs I mean pausing the Tivo and snapping a photo off my awesome new 42″ plasma:
    [/quote]

    Geez, no need to rub it in on that plasma thing. man, now i am all upset! so this mean we are having the Uni Watch Super Bowl Party at your place?

  • Tape | September 28, 2006 at 9:43 am |

    [quote comment=”10771″]I live in the Aurora, Illinois area (though not originally from here). Upon perusing the Illinois helmet project page, I thought Aurora West’s take on the Wisconsin logo was pretty damn cool. That is a great site.[/quote]

    The best football helmet I have ever seen is also on the Illinois HS page of that site. Vernon Hills has the Van Halen logo on their helmet. ROCK!!

  • Tape | September 28, 2006 at 10:15 am |

    [quote comment=”10890″]Here’s a baseball logo on the helmet:
    Plantation High[/quote]

    …ignoring that the Chicago Bears use the same logo and are a football team.

  • Vincent A. Cipollone | September 28, 2006 at 7:44 pm |

    Yeah, I know the Bears have the same logo but the team colors made me immediately think of the Reds.

  • Nick | September 29, 2006 at 1:46 pm |

    The first high schoo,I went to used two obviously college logos for our football teams. The first year we used the Wisconsin “W” in blue (Washington high school) and the second year we used the Hawkeye logo as an eagle. Another interesting note is that in the movie “Friday Night Lights” you can see Permian shirts with the Penn State logo when they are lifting weights.