Baseball Cathedrals, Volume II

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By Phil Hecken

And now, for Volume II of “Baseball Cathedrals,” which details the wonderful twitter account (@MLBCathedrals) maintained by Mark Anderson. If you missed the first part, please click here. And if you haven’t already begun following that account, at least give it a look right now. You won’t be disappointed. Below, please click on any image to enlarge.

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Uni Watch: Where do you find your photos, and is there any limitation due to the fact that Twitter requires brevity?

Mark Anderson: I’ve had the same formula from the beginning: start with a high quality photograph that I dig out of archives, like this, by famed photographer Leslie Jones, at the online Boston Public Library. I try describe as much as possible about each photograph within the 140 character limit (less with the photo).

UW: It seems like you tend to focus on the older (and sometimes … well oftentimes) defunct or demolished parks. Do you like the older ones, or is there a reason for this?

MA: If you’ve followed @MLBcathedrals long, you’ll notice about 90% of the posts are from ballparks in the past or long ago photos from current parks. There are a multitude of reasons for this.

UW: Such as?

MA: While I do cover newer parks, photos of those are easy to come by. Baseball fans may see hundreds if not thousands of images of them a year. My favorites are rare high quality photographs of past significant events. I’m particularly fond of the classic ballparks because of the upper decks that were right on top of the field, the uncontrived quirkiness that was forced upon them because of the limited space they had to build within a small city block, and the evolution of the classic parks (most of which started small and kept expanding).

UW: I totally agree!

MA: Photos from classic ballparks are more than just photos of ballparks but, are a time stamp in American history. If you pay attention you can learn about how people dressed in a particular era. The significance and evolution of the automobile. The history of Advertising. The evolution of construction techniques, machinery, and materials. Ballpark priorities (more parking in the 50’s and 60’s, suites, domes, artificial turf, multipurpose stadiums, back to grass, baseball only ballparks) to the evolution of the scoreboard and video displays. There’s plenty you can learn from a ballpark and its history.

UW: And you try to incorporate all those things into your tweets…

MA: At @MLBcathedrals I try to point all these things, for instance, people might not know that there were a handful of ballparks that higher wall than the Green Monster at Fenway Park. They might not know that the Green Monster itself at one time had seats in front of it, an incline in front of it and, was plastered with advertisements. Wrigley Field didn’t get it’s famed centerfield bleachers and ivy until 1937.

UW: Ah, Wrigley. Celebrating a century this season.

MA: The Cubs will be celebrating Wrigley Field’s 100th anniversary this year. As you know already this is their logo and patch they are going to wear for the event

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The problem I have with this patch is that the Cubs did not build Wrigley Field. They didn’t even move in until 1916. Wrigley Field was built by the Chicago Whales of the short-lived Federal League. They really should have honored the Whales on this patch too.

UW: Good point.

MA: I came up with this idea to honor the Whales by placing a subtle Whales logo in the left hand corner (bottom logo) @AsFanByDesign put the whale in there for me. The Cubs, of course, ignored me, because like most baseball clubs they stupidly put out merchandise the same day they announce a logo or uniform change, without waiting to get some feedback.

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UW: Wow! Cool idea. OK, lets get into some of your “favorites.” What pictures would fit this description. You’ve sent me some pics, so I’ll post them below and I’ll let you describe them.

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MA: I like to highlight photos that are not only of high quality and that are rare, but show a period of ballpark history that were not seen before or will not be seen again, for example, the shot above shows Polo Grounds during the 1923 season in which they expanded the grandstands all the the way around to centerfield. It was also the the same year that the Yankees moved out of Polo Grounds into brand new Yankee Stadium which can be seen, for this brief period of time from Polo Grounds (righthand corner).

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MA: Some of the most popular photos are the ones that not only show something unique but, one that show people something they may not known about or seen before like this shot of the old San Diego Padres dugout in Qualcomm Stadium. It still exists however, it’s now buried under permanent seating built for the NFL’s Chargers.

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MA: Some people don’t realize that a lot of the “quirky” features we see in the newer retro parks are inspired from classic parks that don’t exist anymore. If you you look closely at this late 1960’s shot of Crosley Field in Cincinnati you’ll notice the slope in left field that existed the entire life of this park (1912-1970). Fenway Park also had a ten foot embankment, in front of what is know known as the, “Green Monster,” (called, “Duffy’s Cliff”) until 1933. It is no doubt that Tal’s Hill at Minute Maid Park in Houston was inspired by these.

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MA: Over the years there have been some funky proposed ballpark/stadiums. This one* over the Monongahela River in Pittsburgh probably takes the cake. (*1960’s multipurpose proposal to replace Forbes Field and be the new home for both the Pirates and Steelers.)

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MA: Sometimes a photo just speaks for itself, like this one of Oakland (Pittsburgh) in 1968 two years before the Pirates abandoned Forbes Field (pictured above) for Three Rivers Stadium. This photo is also a good representation of how ballparks used to be settled into neighborhoods and not the suburbs or even downtown. It also shows a now demolished Pitt Stadium, the now demolish Igloo (Penguins) and the Cathedral of Learning where this famous photograph (below) was taken during the 1960 World Series.

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MA: These two shots show the overhang at Tiger Stadium (10 feet) and the Left Field overhang at Polo Grounds (21 Feet). There’s a slight overhang at Chase Field, Minute Maid Park, and Target Field. There was one at Citi Field until they brought the fences in. None of them compare to (Tiger Stadium and Polo Grounds). The new retro parks surely got their overhang inspiration from them too.

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MA:This 1970’s photo shows Camden Yards when Camden Yards was a railroad yard and not ballpark. The current Oriole Park at Camden Yards sits just to the west of the B&O Warehouse which has been there for decades.

I like to show photos of places where ballparks sit before there was a ballpark there, construction photos, and, sadly, demolition, photos.

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MA: This is Busch Stadium II, the year it opened, 1966. Most of us agree that it’s a good thing that the era of the multipurpose, cookie cutter, artificial turf stadiums are over, however I always get a huge response to these. Not many in our audience went to Ebbets Field or Shibe Park, but, many did spend time in these cookie cutters and have fond memories of them*.

*I hear all the time how people grew up in these ballparks. How they spent time with their parents, how they spent time at these with their children. So far this has been the biggest benefit to doing this account. Hearing these stories of loved ones that might not be here anymore. How the photos I tweet out remind them of those good times they shared.

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UW: Wow! Thanks (again) Mark. Super, super stuff.

Readers, I hope you’ve enjoyed this interview/exploration with Mark Anderson of @MLBCathedrals. Please make sure to thank him below in the comments, and even better, give him a follow on Twitter!

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Queens Baseball Convention

As I’m sure most of you are aware (and if you’ve read Uni Watch at all in the past two weeks or so…you are), yesterday was the First Annual Queens Baseball Convention, held at McFadden’s in Shea Citi Field. As promised, it was a gathering of I’d say 1,000 or so Mets fans, despite the rather crummy weather, and it was great. Although he’s not the sole person responsible, a HUGE HUGE tip of the cap has to go to Shannon Shark, friend of UW (and purveyor of Mets Police), who really did an outstanding job with the whole she-bang.

There were some media there, and the Queens Courier did a small piece on it. A bunch of mascots, including Mr. Met, were there, and there were panels galore among the many attractions.

Paul’s portion, of course, was one of the highlights of the event, and he assembled a crack panel of uniform experts that included himself, Todd Radom, Jon Springer, Russ Gompers and Mike Cesarano. I was lucky enough to join those guys. Here’s a better look at the panel:

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L-R: Phil Hecken, Jon Springer, Russ Gompers, Mike Cesarano, Todd Radom, Paul Lukas

Our discussion, which was (shockingly) on Mets uniforms and uniform history, lasted just over an hour and it could have gone on for a good three hours — it really was a spirited conversation, and included a bunch of give and take, plus Paul engaged the audience with a goodly amount of Q & A.

Todd had a BIG surprise for the audience, which even the Mets weren’t aware of — he’d found an archived article from The Sporting News that noted the original Mets logo might very well have ended up being rendered in PINK AND BLACK. Below is the article and a rendering Todd whipped up to show how that might have looked (click on either to enlarge):

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Pretty neat, huh? You can read all about that and more on Todd Radom’s blog (you should probably just go ahead and bookmark ToddRadom.com anyway). Following this discovery, Todd gave a spirited talk on logos, prototypes and other uni design features.

Russ next discussed his work as the head of “Sticthes,” the shop that does all the Mets’ sewing and embroidery, and his bit was both interesting and informative. Jon had a segment later on discussing Mets numerology.

The rest of the panel was spent discussing topics near and dear to any Uni Watcher’s heart (or at least those of us who are baseball fans), and included a discussion on whether or not the Mets’ original uniforms, in particular the pinstripes, were either an “ode” or a shout out to the Yankees. Both the panel and the audience were mixed. Mike was the strongest in his belief that the pins were, indeed, ‘taken’ from the Yanks. Most of us disagreed, and as Paul pointed out, about half the teams in 1962 had home pinstripe unis. Personally, I think the idea that the pins came about because of the Yankees wore them is almost an urban myth, much the way some still think the Yankees added pinstripes to make Babe Ruth look thinner. We also had a great discussion on whether NNOB or NOBs are preferable — and should the Mets return to NNOB (as they were originally and as they did on the home unis in 1999). Again, Paul polled the audience and they were split about 50/50 on that as well. Other topics included pullovers versus button-fronts.

Interestingly, and again, not shockingly, many of the audience members were wearing Mets jerseys from pretty much every year in their history. Several wore the 1993-94 jersey, which marked the only time in their history when the “Mets” script had a “tail.” That jersey ended up being discussed in no small detail. Also discussed were the 1978-82 jersey, which was the first pullover the Mets wore, and which also was the first time the Mets wore nameplates, a practice that continued through 1986 (as opposed to being directly-sewn). Needless to say, Russ had a LOT to say in this area (and he also weighed heavily in the NOB vs. NNOB discussion — obviously he favors NOB because it “means more work for me” — that line got a laugh).

The discussion, and the Q&A with the audience easily could have gone on for another two hours, but after our allotted time, we had to exit the stage. Paul did a MAGNIFICENT job as moderator (and he continues to awe with his encyclopedic knowledge of all things uni). As we were about to depart, one of the audience members, Mark Healey, asked about the famous “prototype” that Paul had unearthed and posted on UW a while back. It’s worth a repost now:

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You will note that the design being held by Casey Stengel actually featured a “tail” on the “Mets” script (much like they ended up using in 1993-4), and the stirrups had stripes. Unfortunately, we didn’t have that picture at our disposal at the time, but we mentioned it would be posted on UW so anyone who was curious could see it.

OK. I’ve rambled on LONG enough about the QBC and Paul’s panel. I was both flattered and honored to even be considered for such an amazing gathering of uni minds. Each one of those guys really REALLY knows his stuff, and it was awesome that Paul was able to put it all together. Great stuff, buddy.

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We have another new set of tweaks, er…concepts today. After discussion with a number of readers, it’s probably more apropos to call most of the reader submissions “concepts” rather than tweaks. So that’s that.

So if you’ve concept for any sport, or just a tweak or wholesale revision, send them my way.

Please do try to keep your descriptions to ~50 words (give or take) per image — if you have three uniform concepts in one image, then obviously, you can go a little over, but no novels, OK? OK!. You guys have usually been good with keeping the descriptions pretty short, and I thank you for that.

Like the colorizations, I’m going to run these as inline pics — click on each one to enlarge.

And so, lets begin:

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We begin today with Paul Lee, with a teensy weensy tweak:

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Phil,

Shouldn’t the Brooklyn Nets jersey have red numbers?

Paul Lee

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Next up is Bryan Moss with some Arizona Cardinals concepts:

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Cardinals Redesign Alt Uni - Bryan Moss

Phil,

Here is my Cardinals Redesign Project. I have three uniforms red (home) white (away) gray (alt). I did mean for the gray on the alternate to be darker than the regular gray. Also since there are no red pants there will be no blood clots on the field! Thank You!

Roll Tide
Bryan

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We close today with Josh Escobar (who you may remember for his wonderful drawings), who is back with a Stanford Cardinal concept:

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Hey Phil,

Hi it’s Josh. It’s been awhile since I sent in a uni-concept. This uni is a modern version of the 1930 Stanford football uniform. Since the NFL has the one helmet shell thing going on, I tried doing a college one.

Josh

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And that’s it for today. Back with more next time.

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Too Good…

for the Ticker

Got an e-mail from Leo Strawn, and like a couple he has sent in the past, this one is simply too good (and a bit too long) for the ticker. Here’s Leo, with a preview of the modified NFL logo in 1967 NFL Championship:

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I was watching a video on the Ice Bowl, and noticed something peculiar on the Lambeau Field turf. The NFL shield in 1967 had vertical stripes behind the “NFL” lettering (which was dropped in 1969 for the anniversary logo, and in 1970 for first full year of the NFL/AFL merger). The “NFL” letters were made thicker beginning in 1969.

At about 6:06 of the aforementioned video, there is a shot of the NFL shield with the blue field of stars, but rather than a blue outline around the lettering and stripes, the outline is red, while the stripes are missing and the placement of the stars and thickness of the lettering appears to be much closer to the after-merger logo of 1970 than the pre-merger logo still in use during the 1967 (and subsequent 1968) season.

At about 6:13, just prior to the end of this video, as the camera has panned back, some unusual Packer and Cowboy logos can be seen on either side of the NFL shield. This yellow elliptical Packers “G” is among the unusual Green Bay logos I’ve come across with the past few months, including two instances of the football shaped “G” in green.

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Sweet find, Leo. OK, now onto the ticker…

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ticker 2Uni Watch News Ticker: Not a lot of submissions from yesterday, so it’s Old School ticker today.

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We’ll have a bunch of stuff from Brinke in this ticker, but he’s doing “this story for Cute Overload. It has jerseys and helmets!” Also from =BG=, here’s a set of photos of the new Levi’s Stadium, as it’s being put together. … Regarding the ticker item on the transparent hockey boards the other day, the old St Paul Saints of the WHA had those in the St Paul Civic Center back in the 1970’s. Here’s another shot (thanks to Tom Pederson). … The Ice Flyers of the SPHL are celebrating their 5th anniversary this week and this is what they are wearing. “It looks great right?” says Ryan Bohannon, “But then they smear feces all over the back with mirrored numbers. Why God? Why?” … New shoes for Radamel Falcao and Sergio Aguero. These should be the ones they will wear at the world cup (nice find by Fernando Cardenas Sanchez). … Here’s another nice size fan picture of the 2014 Cubs throwbacks, taken at Friday’s fan convention (submitted by Dave Flapan, who didn’t take the pic itself). … Unable to contain themselves, Nike has already set up sales for jerseys of the NFC Champion (whoever that may be). … Unsurprisingly, there are some NBAers who don’t like sleeved jerseys, but they’ll trooper-on, saying they’ll just “take some getting used to.” … There are good jersey mashups, and bad mashups, but with HDIC in Lloydminster, Alberta (The Border Town, Alberta/ Saskatchewan), host Ron MacLean is wearing an Edmonton Oilers/Saskatchewan Rough Riders frankenjersey. Says John Muir, “My god.” … More on the Raider glare. Brian Molinet says he found this on UW a while back. “It’s Ben Davidson’s helmet. I’m a lifelong raider fan and never noticed this. I felt miserable.” … Ryan Perkins sent in these two photos, with the line, “From the game that never was.” And what was that game? Read this. … “The Giants are doing this giveaway on 4-10,” writes Brinke. “And good riddance, I might add.” … Kevin Warby writes, “Don’t know if ya saw these, thought I’d share. Teams in a Alberta Junior League. Don Cherry inspired.” … The UMd flag cleats in the lower left of this photo are “pretty wild.” (h/t Matt Aber). … Check out the unis Youngstown State University wore last night (thanks to Joseph Gerard). … OOOOoooohhhh — check out this “Minimalist Ballparks artwork (great find by Marc Viquez). … Um — Edmond Wilson asks, “What do you think about this uniform look?” … The Charlotte Hornets haven’t even revealed their unis yet, but that hasn’t stopped them from pushing the merch (thanks to Mark Collins). … And finally, there was some question yesterday as to the “bobblehead” (and other giveaway) schedule for the Cubs. Thanks to Matthew Robins here it is.

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OK, boys and girls, that will do it for today. Sorry for rambling on about the QBC, but it was really a great experience — thanks again to Paul for including me on his panel. Hopefully I didn’t steal any thunder for something he’ll probably want to follow-up on tomorrow.

The best Sunday in the NFL is here today — the Conference Championship games — which are usually better than the Super Bowl, and certainly with about 1/100th of the hype and drag. Pats & Broncos (have Peyton & Brady ever faced each other?) get the 3:00 (ET) game, followed by the Seahawks & 49ers at 6:30.

You guys have a great week and I’ll catch you next weekend.

Follow me on Twitter @PhilHecken.

Peace.

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“That uniform worn by MacLean was pretty much the worst thing I have ever seen. And I’ve seen a lot of bad uniforms.”
–Teebz

 

48 comments to Baseball Cathedrals, Volume II

  • Phantom Dreamer | January 19, 2014 at 7:29 am |

    “Pullovers versus button-fronts”. This is what I’m interested in.

    • Chimp | January 19, 2014 at 12:45 pm |

      Pullovers!

  • Hodges14 | January 19, 2014 at 7:50 am |

    Phil (and PL) I enjoyed the QBC immensely (as did my cousin) I missed the uni panel but I was glad to stick in a few minutes of chatting with you guys. Hope there’s another QBC next year. I’ll definitely be attending if there is.

  • Darren | January 19, 2014 at 8:10 am |

    Busch Stadium II did not have artificial turf until I believe 1970. Possibly 1971. I know it had grass during the 1967 and 1968 World Series. with a patch of turf covering the top of the automatic tarp.

    • Randy Rollyson | January 19, 2014 at 10:44 am |

      You are on the money. Busch II didn’t have artificial turf when it opened.

      • Chimp | January 19, 2014 at 12:44 pm |

        Nor when it closed.

        Wish they would have fixed up Busch II instead of tearing it down. That roof with all the little arches was fantastic.

  • timmy b | January 19, 2014 at 8:16 am |

    If I may, please let me expand on Leo Strawn’s findings on the NFL Shield.

    The NFL shield, based on the media guide cover for the 1965 Championship Game had the red pinstripes superimposed through the “NFL” lettering. This would indicate to me that this logo was what the NFL used officially through the 1965 season.

    Based on the ID’s used in the Super Bowl I program, the NFL dropped the pinstripes in the lower white portion of the shield and thickened substantially the “NFL” lettering. This would be for the 1966 season.

    In 1969, the NFL adopted the one-off “50/NFL” logo, where the white “50” was placed in the blue portion of the shield, replacing the white stars and football. This logo and the 1966 logo were interchangeable.

    From 1970 through 1980, again based on usage in the Super Bowl programs for each season, the 1966 NFL shield was in use.

    In the Super Bowl XVI program, the shield received a slight, but noticeable face lift. The upper left and upper right points of the shield of the 1966-1980 shield had a very slight flared edge. The new shield eliminated those flared edges. Also, the blue outline over the white field that had the “NFL” lettering was thickened noticeably. This would indicate that this updated logo began its usage in 1981.

    So, in summation:
    19?? – 1965: NFL shield with pinstripes.
    1966 – 1980: NFL shield with no pinstripes.
    1981 – 2007: NFL shield with thicker blue border.
    2008 – present: NFL shield with 8 stars and revised NFL font.

    Special NFL logo uses:
    1969: 50/NFL shield used interchangeably with 66-80 shield.
    1994: 75/NFL diamond logo used interchangeably with 81-07 shield.

    As for the NFL shield at midfield for the 1966 NFL Championship Game, with a RED border, I wouldn’t read anything into that, just a quirk perhaps, or maybe a way to show off the new color TV for your neighbors.

    Hope this helps.

    • 1vox | January 19, 2014 at 12:47 pm |

      excellent!

      i have a 1953 nfl guide with the stripes, so it went back that far, at least…but i didn’t think i recalled seeing that logo as a kid…i’m 53, so i watched afl and nfl as a lad, and didn’t recall ever seeing that…but, i was young, so i just wrote it off as not noticing in the midst of the excitement that surrounded the merger…

      thanks for the info, timmy!

      • Rob H. | January 19, 2014 at 2:54 pm |

        According to this 2007 USA Today article from around the time they announced the last change to it, “The shield logo was first used around 1940, two decades after the NFL’s founding in 1920.”

        http://usatoday30.us...

        • 1vox | January 19, 2014 at 2:59 pm |

          ah, more good info…creamer’s site needs an update on those shields…

          this is the cover of the 1953 yearbook i have, when the stripes were VERY prominently featured on the shield…

          http://www.flickr.co...

    • Tom Farley | January 19, 2014 at 1:59 pm |

      The clip is from “Lombardi,” the 1968 film by NFL Films which was shown in prime time on Sept. 15, 1968.

      The logos in question as the camera pulls away — presumably while mounted in a helicopter — are not from Lambeau Field. They’re from the Cotton Bowl and the previous season’s NFL Championship Game, as Timmy points out. They used some of this low-aerial footage in “They Call It Pro Football,” which was produced after the 1966 season and before the ’67 season.

      • 1vox | January 19, 2014 at 2:56 pm |

        thanks for that too!

        i actually wondered how they got those painted onto the field in green bay during that period of intense cold (paints in the ’60s weren’t made to cure in temps below 50°)…what you said there answers that question…

  • Joseph Gerard | January 19, 2014 at 8:41 am |

    Nice to cover my alma mater Phil. This is what my Penguins usually wear so it was nice to see them go to a minimalist approach. And a win over Detroit Mercy to boot. Go Guins!

  • Chris Heintzelman | January 19, 2014 at 8:48 am |

    YSU uniforms are gorgeous, so simple yet perfect. Very nice

  • DJ | January 19, 2014 at 9:04 am |

    Darren is correct; that photo of old Busch Stadium was not taken in 1966. Note the cylindrical tower in the background. That was a hotel which was not completed until 1968:

    http://en.m.wikipedi...

    • Darren | January 19, 2014 at 9:17 am |

      Good eye, DJ. Didn’t notice the hotel.

      • DJ | January 19, 2014 at 10:14 am |

        Well, the only reason I noticed the hotel is because I’ve stayed there, twice. It’s not bad; good location in relation to the Arch and the ballpark (then and now). Your deduction was better, as it made dating the picture more accurate (the turf came after the hotel).

  • Ken | January 19, 2014 at 9:27 am |

    I can’t say enough good things about the old ballpark photos! The photo of the Braves-A’s World Series, offered as proof of bleachers in front of the Green Monster, is more likely a photo of Shibe Park in Philadelphia during the 1914 World Series. I don’t believe the Braves were ever a tenant of Fenway Park. Also, the scoreboard shows Boston as the visiting team, and Philadelphia at home. Anyone?

    • Stan Bunting | January 19, 2014 at 10:08 am |

      That is Fenway.

      The Braves played the 1914 World Series at Fenway for the additional capacity.

      The score is from Game 3 which was in Boston.

      • Ken | January 19, 2014 at 10:39 am |

        Thanks, Stan. I appreciate the clarification!

  • JTH | January 19, 2014 at 10:05 am |

    Little known fact: 5 is the smeared feces anniversary.

    And Phil, first annual? Tsk, tsk…

  • dgags | January 19, 2014 at 10:31 am |

    The Wrigley Field photo link is actually a picture of Wrigley Field in Los Angeles (home to the PCL Angels, the 1961 AL Angels, and “Home Run Derby”). Cool picture, though, that I’ve never seen before…and the bleachers and ivy really were late arrivals in the Chicago Wrigley.

    • Matt Thomas | January 23, 2014 at 11:27 pm |

      The photo of Wrigley Field is indeed that of Los Angeles (42nd & Avalon). The clock tower off the first base side of home is the giveaway. I used to work in that neighborhood, there are no artifacts of the ballpark remaining and it is really not recommended to go looking.

      The ivy at Chicago’s Wrigley Field was added in the 1930’s and one of the grounds crew to add it was none other than Bill Veeck.

      http://sabr.org/biop...

      Cheers!

  • Art | January 19, 2014 at 10:43 am |

    Great job, Mark. As a person who has taught history and a baseball fan, I truly appreciate these photos and the memories that are shared by them. Paul, thanks for working with Mark.

  • Steve D | January 19, 2014 at 11:00 am |

    Also discussed were the 1978-82 jersey, which was the first pullover the Mets wore, and which also was the only time the Mets wore nameplates (as opposed to being directly-sewn).

    That is not totally correct. The Mets wore nameplates, home and away, through the 1986 World Series. Here is what the 1986 jersey looked like

    http://sports.mearso...

    Starting in 1987, they went to direct-sewn on both home and away. I actually liked the nameplates on the home jersey…it defined the name from the pinstripes.

    Sounds like a great Mets uni panel. For personal reasons, I would not attend it.

  • Lou | January 19, 2014 at 11:21 am |

    Small correction Phil. The Mets actually wore name plates through the 1986 season. Check the picture of Jesse Orosco at the end of the 1986 World Series.

    • Phil Hecken | January 19, 2014 at 11:30 am |

      You’re totally correct — my bad, and I should have remembered that — text changed now.

  • Chimp | January 19, 2014 at 12:29 pm |

    Good stuff today!

    I never knew there was a plan to build Three Rivers *over* one of the rivers. Don’t know if that was the best idea, but it’s the most interesting I’ve seen.

    I miss Three Rivers and Busch II, but the other cookie cutters, not so much. I really miss Tiger Stadium, too.

    Bryan Moss – female cardinals are gray, so I doubt you’ll ever see the AZ Cards in that color. Then again, the baseball Cards wear gray, so maybe you will. I don’t know. Anyway, nice designs by you and the other tweakers.

    • Bryan | January 19, 2014 at 2:36 pm |

      Oh I did not know that!

  • quiet seattle | January 19, 2014 at 12:41 pm |

    “…uncontrived quirkiness….”

    That’s an elusive beast these days.

    Which leads me to ask: Did those old ballparks which featured sloped grounds near the fence do so out of necessity?

    • NinerEd | January 19, 2014 at 12:53 pm |

      IIRC, the left field area at Crosley was not at street level. The terrace sloped up towards street level.

      • 1vox | January 19, 2014 at 3:42 pm |

        yes, here’s a great shot of crosley, and you can see plainly that it is built below street level…

        http://www.aplusspor...

  • Trucker | January 19, 2014 at 1:19 pm |

    Loved seeing the old stadiums. In my job, i go downtown in a lot of cities. I wish I could have seen the old MLB Cathedrals.

  • Bromotrifluoromethane | January 19, 2014 at 2:18 pm |

    Since I usually only get to a full week of UW on Sunday’s I’m a day late but you’ll all still think I’m just as weird for saying it.
    The only one of those Cubs alts that I like is that 90’s blue one. I loved that look for them. In fact I wish they would keep the current blue alt as a home only alt and bring this blue alt back for the road along with bringing that style road look back. It looks much better than the generic right from a 1950’s catalog looking road gray they’ve worn the last few years… But then again I liked the Isle’s fishsticks look as well so you know how weird my tastes can be.

  • umplou | January 19, 2014 at 3:39 pm |

    One of the misconceptions today about the old parks, is that they were ‘downtown’ – actually almost all of them were in neighborhoods relatively far from the CBD of most cities. Most of those built before WWII were located near the main transportation of the day, trolley lines – or in the case of New York, elevated or subway lines were factors also.

    The problems started when right before WWII, the trolley lines started to disappear, and cars became more important, that the troubles started in their various neighborhoods. And of course, no or very little parking facilities had been built. The buses that replaced the trolleys in many cases, were never an adequate replacement, as they were/are much slower.

    At least the new parks being built today, which ARE built downtown ‘like they used’, have better non-auto transportation options than the old cookie cutters.

  • Havl | January 19, 2014 at 4:27 pm |

    Can someone explain “Raider glare” to me?

    • Rob H. | January 19, 2014 at 4:31 pm |

      The little white simulated glare marks on the helmet of the little dude on the Raider helmet… When did it first appear, etc. was discussed here the last few days.

  • Adam T | January 19, 2014 at 8:42 pm |

    So I think most people will agree that the mono-black Panthers uniform is not the greatest NFL uniform of all-time, but I have to admit, it’s decent. The Jaguars, Saints, Ravens, and Bengals wear mono-black paired with black socks, and I think most people will agree the response to the unis is somewhere between “meh” and “bleh” or a combination of the two. Then here come the Panthers wearing mono-black with those gorgeous Carolina blue socks and POW!… a sharp looking set. I know this has nothing to do with today’s post, but I had to comment on this where I know people will understand why this was on my mind for no reason.

  • Dumb Guy from his iPad | January 19, 2014 at 9:11 pm |

    Cardinals are red.

  • Teebz | January 19, 2014 at 9:25 pm |

    Ok, I’ve been out and about today, but there are a few major things I need to point out.

    1. QOTD: thanks, Phil. That jersey mash-up by MacLean might be the worst seen yet. Football and hockey? No. Nononononono.

    2. The Saskatchewan CFL team is the Roughriders. One must know his enemy to defeat them. LOL. The Ottawa CFL team was the Rough-space-Riders.

    3. The Don Cherry-inspired uniforms are not correct. The one on the left is a Cherry-inspired uniform, and it was worn by the Lloydminster Bobcats of the Alberta Junior Hockey League (AJHL).

    4. The uniform on the right is a Ron MacLean-inspired uniform, and it was worn by the officials. Ron MacLean is an amateur official with Hockey Canada, officiating mostly games in Ontario when he’s not doing HNIC broadcasts. The refs wore the uniforms with the orange armbands while the linesmen wore black-and-white stripes.

    5. Hockey Day in Minnesota happened yesterday, and there was a ton of stuff happening. Pond Hockey Championships (so much fun when we went), lots of hockey games, and some nice throwbacks worn by the teams. That’s the Elk River Elks girls’ high school team. Those jerseys can be found at Vintage Minnesota Hockey.

    6. Elk River hosted the HDIM event yesterday, and the girls’ team above played the Anoka Tornadoes. Anoka used to wear the Oakland Atheltics’ logo, but now wear the Atlanta Flames’ logo. Originality, anyone?

    Ok, that should do it. Great interview today, Phil!

  • Graf Zeppelin | January 19, 2014 at 10:02 pm |

    OK, Uni Watchers. Your Super Bowl uni minutiae for XLVIII:

    The AFC is the home team this year, so the Broncos will likely wear orange in the Super Bowl. The Broncos are 0-3 in orange, 1-1 in white, and 1-0 in navy blue in Super Bowl games. The only other team to wear three different colors (i.e., two different colors plus white) in Super Bowl games is the Patriots.

    The Broncos are the first team to change the primary color of their home (i.e., colored) jersey after winning the Super Bowl, and then get back to the Super Bowl. They’re the first team to play in the Super Bowl wearing one color, then play in the Super Bowl wearing a different color, then play in the Super Bowl wearing the first color again. They’re also the first team to play in two Super Bowls wearing two different primary jersey colors with a uniform design that is otherwise the same.

    Not much uni-notable surrounding the Seahawks. They’re the second team to lose one (and only one) Super Bowl in one uniform set, then go back to the Super Bowl in a different uniform set (the other was the Patriots, who did it twice). They’re also the second team to use a single decal (or decals) to create mirror images on either side of the helmet, the other being the Bengals.

    This is the 11th Super Bowl in which neither team’s helmet logo contains any letters of the alphabet. The Broncos are the only team to play in different Super Bowls with and without letters in their helmet logos. For the record, teams with letters in their logos are 20-9 in Super Bowls against teams without.

    Peyton Manning’s #18 and Russell Wilson’s #3 represent the largest difference between numbers worn by starting QBs in a Super Bowl game, 15. The previous record was 12, way back in Super Bowl II, in which Green Bay’s Bart Starr wore #15 and Oakland’s Daryle Lamonica wore #3. Wilson ties Lamonica for the lowest number worn by a starting QB in the Super Bowl. The only other difference of 10 or more was in Super Bowl XXII, Doug Williams #17 vs. John Elway #7.

    Peyton Manning is the only QB to start in a Super Bowl wearing #18. The only QB to start a Super Bowl wearing a higher number was Johnny Unitas, #19 in Super Bowl V.

    QBs wearing double-digit numbers are 12-10 in Super Bowl games against QBs wearing single-digit numbers.

    • Graf Zeppelin | January 19, 2014 at 10:46 pm |

      Correction: One other team lost one Super Bowl in one uni set and then went back to the Super Bowl in a different set: the Redskins. They and the Broncos are the only teams to play in the Super Bowl in 2 different uniforms with the same helmet (if you count the current orange as a different uniform from the navy version, and if you don’t count the 49ers wearing throwbacks in SB XXIX).

  • hmich176 | January 20, 2014 at 1:33 am |

    Whenever I look at pictures of the cookie-cutter stadiums, it reminds me that there’s a good chance that once the current slate of stadiums approach their time of being replaced, we’ll probably see some of them return, in the nostalgic manner in which we saw the classic style ballpark seen in places like Baltimore and Pittsburgh.

    • Graf Zeppelin | January 20, 2014 at 8:36 am |

      Maybe. The only way that happens, I think, is if construction technology advances to the point where huge sections of seats can be mechanically re-configured (Transformers-style) to provide ideal sight lines for both football and baseball.

      The problem with the “cookie-cutter” stadiums (among other things) was that they attempted to accommodate two sports, baseball and football, whose fields are designed and configured very, very differently (unlike, e.g., football and soccer, or basketball and hockey) and call for very different ideal sightlines, and the structures themselves were limited as to what they could do to reconfigure the seating for one or the other. The inevitable result was that they weren’t particularly good venues for watching either sport, as accommodating one necessitated compromises for the other.

      The only way we’ll see multipurpose stadiums again is if advances in materials and mechanical engineering make it possible to build a facility whose entire seating area can be reconfigured to optimize sightlines for both sports from every (or practically every) seat.

      • hmich176 | January 21, 2014 at 12:57 am |

        What I mean by it is that I could see it being built as a single-purpose stadium. I think it would only work in football though. For a Steelers game, I think I’d take Three Rivers over Heinz Field any day of the week. Not by a lot, but I’d still take it.

  • Derek Dust | January 20, 2014 at 2:49 pm |

    That Busch Stadium 2 photo is circa 1973 or so….

    Great article….

  • Jen Hayden | January 20, 2014 at 5:23 pm |

    The Minimalist Ball Parks series was highlighted a bit ago. I bought 3 of his prints for Christmas presents.

  • Newt | January 21, 2014 at 11:29 am |

    i went to wriggly field this past year for the first time. awesome experience

    someone was saying they are building parking garages next to some of the taverns off the street home plate is on. who knows