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Paul here, pinch-hitting for Phil, who’s taking a well-deserved breather. As he mentioned at the end of yesterday’s post, the Jazz unveiled a new alternate uniform on Friday. Oddly, they used cheap-ass replicas for the unveiling event. Ditto for the jersey they showed on their Twitter feed. The photos you see above are the real magilla — I took them myself at the NBA offices on Thursday.

As Chris Creamer pointed out on his blog the other day, the new uni isn’t an exact throwback to the team’s early-1980s look. I liked that old design, but I like this new one even better — very nice. They’ll wear it for their home opener on Dec. 30 and then wear it occasionally on the road.

While we’re at it, here are the Kings’ new black alts, which I mentioned very briefly in Friday’s Ticker:

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As you might imagine, I’m not as fond of this one, for a variety of reasons (old-school chest insignia + newfangled number font = ewww). But I’ll say this: In person, the silver outlining on the chest insignia really pops — much more so than in my crappy photos. I doubt the effect will fully translate to television, but let’s put it this way: If you’re stuck on the subway next to someone wearing this jersey, it probably won’t look quite as bad in person as you might think.

Now then, a few uni-related notes from yesterday:

• Army and Navy both looked good — especially Army. Tons of additional photos here.

• In college hoops, Cincinnati wore NNOB throwbacks and striped socks for yesterday’s game against Xavier, but all anyone will remember is the stupid-ass brawl at the end of the game.

• BYU and Utah went color vs. color, and I think it looked pretty good. Well, except for all the clutter on that BYU jersey, what with the flag, the NCAA authentication patch, the conference patch, and the swooshstika.

• But Saturday’s top uni moment came at the Heisman ceremony, where Robert Griffin III wore these Superman socks (with a cape!):

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Looks like Griffin was wearing these knee-highs and let them droop a bit. (Great job by Jim Mancari to snap that photo, and big thanks to Phil for forwarding it my way.)

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Uni Watch News Ticker, Rare Sunday Edition: Hmmm, think there’s enough bling on this Ohio jersey? (From Jay Hill.) … Missouri backup QB Ashton Glaser has given us a sneak peek at next season’s uniforms. I think I speak for everyone here when I say we all could have waited. … Here’s the latest case of high school teams being penalized for violating seemingly arbitrary uniform rules (from Jim Stone). … Here’s something I’ve never seen before: a gumball helmet standings display sponsored by a whiskey company (thanks, Kirsten). … Reprinted from Friday’s comments: When the Marlins introduced Mark Buehrle the other day, they used an upside-down 9 instead of a 6 on his jersey. … Finally, a stadium named after uniforms — sort of (from Chris Diserio). … The Library of Congress has acquired a huge trove of sports recordings (from Blair Thompson). … Auburn and UVA will go color vs. color in the Chicken Sandwich Bowl (from Jeremy S. Fallis). … Hey, speaking of which, the Chicken Sandwich folks appear to have hit a new low. Having now offended gays, atheists, Asians, kale eaters, T-shirt makers, and people who opposed to douchebaggy college football bowl names, who will they piss off next? What an excellent company for the NCAA to be doing business with! … PATCO — that’s the transit system in Philly and southern New Jersey — has let its riders pick the system’s new colors (Jeremy Fallis again). … Here are the pads that the Rangers’ goalies will have for the Winter Classic. “I wish Henrik had opted for the classic brown like Marty,” says Luke Rosnick. … Check out this shot of Grover Cleveland Alexander during his Phillies days. Did they have a dot on their brims, or was GCA a few decades ahead of the trend for leaving stickers on caps? … Here are the stories behind the Norfolk Admirals’ goalie masks (from Tris Wykes). … Cameron Ilich likes to design basketball courts — but not exclusively for basketball teams. … Someone should snap up these mini bullpen carts (from Casey Littmann). … Speaking of bullpen carts, check out this great photo of the Orioles’ four 1971 20-game winners posing with a bullpen buggy. Note that Mike Cuellar is wearing the Frank Robinson-style extendo-stirrups (big thanks to Dave Holland). … The Arab Games have started in Qatar, and Egypt’s basketball team has a very Heat-ish chest insignia (from Gabriel Luis Manga). … Mary Hassett notes that with the Angels having traded away Jeff Mathis and then signed Albert Pujols, the uni number 5 on the Halos has pretty much gone from zero to hero. Any other examples of a specific uni number on a team’s roster undergoing such a radical reversal of fortune? … If you’re into custom soccer cleats and the day-glo trend, you’ll love this (from Kenny Loo). … Paul Pass spotted something interesting: Maine’s football helmets have a little upward arrow to the left of their nose bumpers. Anyone know the story behind that? … Doozy of a screen shot from Jason Lord, who spotted a Grayson (Georgia) High School football player with some serious decal/paint issues. “This has been an epidemic amongst many high school teams in Georgia, particularly those with gold-painted helmets,” he says.

 

161 comments to Green Giants

  • The Jeff | December 11, 2011 at 8:38 am |

    Throwback/fauxback whatever it is, I still think those Jazz jerseys would be better if it had white numbers with yellow shadowing to match the Jazz wordmark.

    • Phillip | December 11, 2011 at 8:50 am |

      I like it. Probably better to differentiate the number from the logo – goes nicely with the gold trim.

      This jersey reminds me of the mid 90′s Sonics overhaul, which was several autumn colors.

      • concealed78 | December 11, 2011 at 10:01 am |

        Agreed. I think the lack of trim makes it more clean & stand out more, and doesn’t make it bulky. Not everything needs trim, and yellow seems to be a color to leave alone.

        That green tho, it looks kinda dreary and dark grayish.

    • Matt Beahan | December 11, 2011 at 10:28 am |

      I’m cool with the numbers, but I think the side panels should have been white or yellow. There’s not enough contrast between the dark green and blue for my tastes.

      • Wheels | December 11, 2011 at 11:00 am |

        They should just ditch the side panels on the jersey. The shorts are good.

        • POINT 3 Basketball | December 11, 2011 at 4:14 pm |

          These new Jazz uni’s are ok. Isn’t it about time, though, that they stopped playing games, and simply returned to the uni they rocked in the 80′s? (The one that Mark Eaton used to look so handsome in.)

        • Wheels | December 11, 2011 at 5:32 pm |

          Now you’re talking.

  • Phillip | December 11, 2011 at 8:42 am |

    BOUGHT! Ghostbusters Hockey Jersey: http://davesgeekyide...

    • Tony C. | December 11, 2011 at 4:52 pm |

      want!

  • Dumb Guy at home | December 11, 2011 at 8:44 am |

    Jazz jerseys: HATE the way the blue disappears on the green.

    Maine’s nosebumper arrow: This Side Up?

    • Winter | December 11, 2011 at 10:37 am |

      Blue? There’s blue on there?

      • Mike Engle | December 11, 2011 at 11:32 am |

        Yeah, the navy almost looks purple. Because the jerseys, as a whole, look SO much like the oldies, I always have to tell myself, “They are navy, don’t trust your instincts.”

        • Winter | December 11, 2011 at 12:19 pm |

          I thought the official team colors were purple, gold, green & white. Why would there be navy on there?

        • DJ | December 11, 2011 at 12:26 pm |

          Because when the Jazz re-did their colors, logos, and uniforms, they replaced purple with navy blue.

        • The Jeff | December 11, 2011 at 12:31 pm |

          I think you might be right Winter.

          Based on some paintshop color matching, the Jazz are using a really really really bluish shade of purple, not navy.

        • Winter | December 11, 2011 at 12:32 pm |

          Huh.

          I honestly couldn’t tell that was navy.

          Still looks purple to me.

        • The Jeff | December 11, 2011 at 12:38 pm |

          The color on the uniform in today’s photos *is* purple. The official Jazz logo is much more bluish, but still has a bit of red in it’s RGB code.

          Wikipedia also says that the Jazz colors are purple, green, gold & white, not that Wiki is always entirely accurate of course.

        • MEANS | December 12, 2011 at 9:51 am |

          nope the Jazz color is Navy

  • scott | December 11, 2011 at 8:48 am |

    I’ve had nothing but positive experiences when I’ve been to Chik-fil-A. In fact, it seems they go out of their way to hire employees who respect their customers.

    • Phil Hecken | December 11, 2011 at 8:59 am |

      no way…halliburton’s customer service reps and nike’s salespeople are way better — those must be outstanding companies

      • The Jeff | December 11, 2011 at 9:10 am |

        You’re supposed to be away from here doing “important” things with that other job…. you’re not allowed to post today.

        • Phil Hecken | December 11, 2011 at 10:31 pm |

          yeah…i know…took me till about 20 minutes ago, but im happy to report that my seventeen and a half page (single spaced) final project and 41 slide ppoint are now both complete

          and i have to say, i kicked some ass and took some names with this bad boy one

          thanks for keeping me in line THE…

    • JTH | December 11, 2011 at 9:01 am |

      I think I ate at one once, in like 1990. The experience was not life-changing.

      Anyway, I see where you’re going with this. It sounds like this incident was the work of ONE ignorant douchebag, not the actions of “the chicken sandwich folks” AKA the company itself.

      • The Jeff | December 11, 2011 at 9:09 am |

        Yeah… that’s one waiter/waitress, not a company thing. You really can’t blame Chicken Sandwich Inc. for the occasional employee being a racist asshole.

        • scott | December 11, 2011 at 9:12 am |

          Exactly. A company that employs thousands of people can’t be responsible for the actions of an individual. I get, though, that Chik-fil-A is one of the political left’s favorite targets. I guess that’s why Chik-fil-A largely stays out of the Northeast; why bother when you’re going to have people outside protesting.

        • Phil Hecken | December 11, 2011 at 9:19 am |

          “A company that employs thousands of people can’t be responsible for the actions of an individual.”

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          no, not at all

          they probably can’t fire him/her or anything…why should they?

        • The Jeff | December 11, 2011 at 9:30 am |

          What makes you think that person won’t get fired if they figure out who it was?

          The thing with having that many employees is that stuff like this can fly under the radar pretty easily. It’s not that the company supports that kind of thing, they just don’t typically know about it.

          Heck, a few years ago, I was personally responsible for getting someone fired – they thought they were being funny and told a few racist jokes to me, I reported them. Had I said nothing, then nothing would have happened. You really can’t blame the company for the actions of individuals, at least not at that level. We’re talking about the lowest tier employees, not management or executives.

        • Paul Lukas | December 11, 2011 at 9:34 am |

          You really can’t blame Chicken Sandwich Inc. for the occasional employee being a racist asshole.

          Or for being anti-gay. Or for filing a bullying harrassment lawsuit against a T-shirt maker. Or for ruining the name of a perfectly good football game….

          Yup, they’re all just isolated incidents.

        • Trevor | December 11, 2011 at 9:40 am |

          Sure you can, this website does it all the time. Paul picks a company and rips on it non-stop while ignoring other companies that do the same things or have the same things happen. Great website, but could be much better without all of the biased “douchebaggery.”

        • scott | December 11, 2011 at 9:43 am |

          Bottom line is you don’t like the company’s politics and Christian beliefs.

        • Paul Lukas | December 11, 2011 at 9:46 am |

          You know, there’s nothing Christian or political about that lawsuit they filed against the “Eat More Kale” guy. There’s nothing Christian or political about this “Ching” and “Chong” incident. You say I’m the one with a fixed mindset, but it seems to me that YOU’RE the one who’s stuck in a fixed mindset about this company while new evidence of their asshole-ishness piles up every day.

        • The Jeff | December 11, 2011 at 9:51 am |

          There’s a difference between company policies and individual employee actions.

          The T-shirt lawsuit is a legitimate thing to dislike them for. One employee being a racist is not.

        • Paul Lukas | December 11, 2011 at 10:00 am |

          There’s a difference between company policies and individual employee actions.

          In a vacuum, yes. But we’re not operating in a vacuum; we’re operating in an informed context — a context in which we know that the company has a history of discriminatory behavior. So it’s fair to wonder if the “individual employee actions” are a function of the corporate culture.

    • concealed78 | December 11, 2011 at 10:15 am |

      I know this was brought up before, but their closed-Sunday policy just seems like bad/stupid business sense. Maybe because I’m all Yankee Beans here in old Midwestern farmland suburbia, but Sunday is (probably behind Saturday) as the busiest day for retail activity & most people are off work. I don’t get what depriving people of certain goods & services on a given day accomplishes. To me, it’s just unnecessary. You want to make money? – have decent hours & great customer service. Should be Business 101.

      • Paul Lukas | December 11, 2011 at 10:22 am |

        For the record, I have no trouble defending them (or anyone) on this point. They can be open whenever they choose. They’re not “depriving” anyone of anything (not unless people have an entitlement to corporate chicken sandwiches, which they don’t). It doesn’t have to make sense to you, as long as it makes sense to THEM. If you think it’s silly, that’s one thing; but I don’t think you can say it’s wrong or bad or otherwise objectionable.

        None of which excuses all the other stuff, of course.

        • concealed78 | December 11, 2011 at 11:02 am |

          Understood. Of course I meant bad/stupid/silly on a business level, not a personal/moral/religious level. I meant depriving as like “specific food”, or like no mail or no hard liquor in Texas on Sundays; etc. Not crucial of course, but a minor hangup & slight inconvenience.

          E.g., if I had a Heating & Air Conditioning company [be it SoCal or Maine], I’d be on call 24/7; even on Christmas, because stuff breaks at any time. Maybe I have misplaced priorities, but I just question it when people say “do we really need Walmart open on Christmas at 10am?” (yes, why not?) because not everyone falls under the Xmas leaf. Reading about the US Post Office, I think what they’re planning of lesser hours & higher costs is only going to make it even worse & less financially viable, and a recipe for disaster.

        • Saru | December 11, 2011 at 1:52 pm |

          “Yup, they’re all just isolated incidents.”

          As an Asian, I just want to say up yours, Paul. However bad company management is, the actions of one employee shouldn’t reflect on the organization. But then, I think I can speak for myself and don’t need you to do that.

    • aaron | December 11, 2011 at 10:36 am |

      Scott -
      I completely agree with you. The employees are always the most ‘happy-to-be-there’, helpful, and courteous fast food employees around. There is always an idiot in the bunch, but having said that I thought it is important to point out the fact that the employee most likely did not make up those names. I frequent a few different locations around town and each ‘Team Member’ ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS asks for a name to put on the order.
      I thought I read in this tread someone mention that this location is in an area with a high Asian population…if that is true, I’d have to think there is a real chance people with those names actually placed an order. Having said that, the employee is a douche for taking pictures obviously thinking it was funny.

    • elgato11x | December 11, 2011 at 12:40 pm |

      I’ve never had an issue with my local Chick-fil-a, the employees are always nice, the food is always good (although overpriced IMO) and not to mention they sponsor a lot of youth and high school sports in my area, so I don’t have a problem giving them my business. If anyone wants to stop eating there because 1 guy in California called some people a name, more power to them.

    • odessasteps | December 11, 2011 at 2:41 pm |

      It always creeps me out that they say “how may I serve you?” as a greeting. For me, most employees also give off that “creepy overly friendly religious” vibe.

      I do love the waffle fries though.

  • Oakville Endive | December 11, 2011 at 8:49 am |

    The gradual, protracted long dance that the Los Angeles Kings and the Sacramento Kings appear to be engaged in, to eventually wear the same uniform, continues……….

    Admittedly I live in a hockey city, so not sure this applies to other non contending NBA cities, but the interest in Toronto for the NBA is at an all time low (relative to the years they have had a franchise) in my opinion.

  • Patrick Mackin | December 11, 2011 at 8:56 am |

    The Maine helmet bumper arrows are simply a “this end goes up” reminder. :-)

  • Kyle Allebach | December 11, 2011 at 9:00 am |

    That stadium named after uniforms link sends me to the upside down 6 marlins pic.

  • Jodi | December 11, 2011 at 9:19 am |

    The upward arrow on Maine’s Helmet is in memory of former coach Jeff Cole
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    Also carved into the rock in the entrance to the field

    • JTH | December 11, 2011 at 10:05 am |

      Interesting. Too bad the reason for putting the stickers next to the nose bumpers isn’t explained. It seems like such an odd place to put a memorial decal.

      • Paul Lukas | December 11, 2011 at 10:10 am |

        Some emails I’ve just received explain the arrow like so:

        “The arrow is a memorial patch Coach Cosgrove as continued to use as Jeff’s message to all was to live life in one direction (UP), no matter what the struggles one has in front of them.”

  • Vincent | December 11, 2011 at 10:21 am |

    Maybe not as strong as the Mathis/Pujols stuff, but I have to admit I was pretty pleased the day Mark Teixeira replaced Jason Giambi as n°25 of the Yankees.

    • Mike Engle | December 11, 2011 at 11:44 am |

      For the Habs, James Wisniewski did more good in his half-season in #20 than the previous #20 (Ryan O’Byrne) will ever accomplish in the NHL. (Although this is not an immediate succession like Giambi/Tex or Mathis/Pujols. O’Byrne was traded away, and #20 was left unused until Wiz arrived.)

    • Caleb Yorks | December 11, 2011 at 3:08 pm |

      How about the #25 with the Cards, Greg Jefferies to Mark McGwire. It was a couple of years in between, but still radical.

  • Winter | December 11, 2011 at 10:33 am |

    I thought the Mizzou uniform thing had been debunked.

    • Paul Lukas | December 11, 2011 at 10:38 am |

      If so, I missed that — sorry. Further info..?

      • Winter | December 11, 2011 at 10:45 am |

        http://www.tigerboar...

        According to the folks at Tigerboard, it was posted on Ebay a couple of weeks ago as something an individual had made up.

        But hey, I’m just going off what I read. No one’s told me directly.

    • Jordan Pope | December 11, 2011 at 1:20 pm |

      My guess is that the uniform shown in the picture is a Nike Team Sample Jersey. Nike commonly creates these jerseys to show the different designs available for purchase through a Nike Team dealer.

  • CMax37 | December 11, 2011 at 10:40 am |

    The blatant racism is wrong without anything that could or should be used to justify it. The article is dated for yesterday, and I wonder if it was reported to the Chicken Shack people first. The employee needs to be gone, and the Peach Bowl name returned. As far as their other politics, as ignorant as I think they are, companies everyday back their beliefs with their money. The other companies just subscribe to a more accepted (Left leaning) thought process. The article shows its bias as well by refering to them as “Godboy”. Isn’t that a jab at Christians? Why hasn’t the writer been taken to task?

    • Rick | December 11, 2011 at 11:24 am |

      Seems to me that atheism has become, over the years, Atheism (capital A), organized and behaving almost as a religion itself.

      A while back, being an athesist simply was the personal conviction that you didn’t believe in a higher power.

      Now, it seems, to be an Atheist means you must also spend great deal of time being outspokenly anti-Christian or anti-religion. You can’t just be an atheist, you have to support and promote Atheism.

      No longer is it a personal belief (or lack of belief) but a movement it itself, seeking converts almost as determinedly as any religious group.

      I figure we’re about a decade (or less) away from Atheist speakers on late night TV asking for contributions to “help us continue our work.”

      (Note: I am FAR from being any kind of practicing Christian, this is just something I’ve noted over the past 45 years or so. You see elements of the same basic trait everywhere, namely “I’m right and you’re not.” Check politicians these days if you think that isn’t true)

      • nature without man | December 11, 2011 at 11:50 am |

        Deep down, we are all the same religion. We are all “No Clueists.”

      • The Jeff | December 11, 2011 at 11:57 am |

        Once one decides that God is just as fictional as the Tooth Fairy, it’s really hard not to look down on people that believe. When those who still believe are in positions to pass laws based on those beliefs, it’s even harder not to speak out against it.

        Forgive me for being blunt and a bit rude… But basically, we atheists feel that openly religious people are stupid. To us, ridiculing someone who believes in God is on the same level as ridiculing someone who thinks the Earth is flat or that the moon is made of cheese.

        /and this is really the wrong place for this topic

        • Rick | December 11, 2011 at 12:26 pm |

          Thereby proving my point.
          You can’t just have your opinion.

          To be an Athesist now is to practice Atheism, which means you simply MUST deride the opinion/beliefs of others. Comes with the territory. It’s expected of you. Very close to organized non-religion.

          But, isn’t your belief that you somehow have greater insight into the ultimate workings of the universe just as arrogant as those you deride?

          Please explain the difference, other than saying you know better than them…because at this point there is no way of proving which belief is accurate. Or maybe neither of them is. That’s a possibility, too.

          Do wear hear agnostics making this much noise?

          No. Atheism has become a group to which many espouse a kind of membership, with a commitment to expanding the group.

          And that, again, is precisely what I was saying I have watched develop over the past 40 years or so.

        • Paul Lukas | December 11, 2011 at 12:56 pm |

          I think what you’re really seeing, Rick, is a group that — like many minority groups — has become more vocal in claiming its Constitutional rights. Freedom *from* religion is enshrined in the First Amendment just as solidly as freedom *of* religion.

        • Rick | December 11, 2011 at 1:22 pm |

          “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

          Where’s the “from religion”?

          Just being difficult. :)

          I have NO problem with someone not believing, or not knowing. What’s interesting is that capital A Atheism seems to believe its chief duty to put everyone else’s beliefs down. Seems to be its reason to exist. Doesn’t seem to stand FOR much, just AGAINST everything.

          Now, if they’re espousing Free Thought, go for it. But that wouldn’t mean an intrinsic imperative to shoot holes in the thoughts of others, would it? Because that would be contrary to the concept of Free Thought.

          As to being a minority group (in its socio-political sense), at what point have atheists been persecuted or deprived of their rights? A Christmas tree in a mall in December if forcing them to believe? Having to drive past a church is a de facto suggestion they MUST attend? Someone doesn’t want to sing “God Bless America” at a ballpark? So don’t sing it.

          Wow, a society has a prevalent religion. Where is there NOT such a society? Think we can walk down a street in Tehran and not identify the prevalent religion there? There, Anglos are a minority. That’s kinda how life works.

          People have long been welcome in the this country with the pluralist promise their belief systems will assimilated. Not accommodated. We have never said we’d set aside or minimize our touchstones if the newcomers didn’t care for them.

        • Paul Lukas | December 11, 2011 at 1:31 pm |

          As to being a minority group (in its socio-political sense), at what point have atheists been persecuted or deprived of their rights?

          • They have to look at “In God We Trust” on their nation’s currency.

          • They and their children must recite “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance. (Yes, I know, it isn’t technically mandatory, but a roomful of people reciting the Pledge is inherently coercive.)

          • They routinely have to deal with public school officials who want to instill school prayer (I’m not talking about private schools, which can do whatever they like), judges who want to post the Ten Commandments in their courtrooms and in other public spaces, etc.

          • They have to deal with public health policy being debated in religious terms.

          And so on. The issue isn’t whether religion is a good thing or a bad thing; the issue is whether the First Amendment and Article VI, paragraph 3, guarantee us freedom from state-sponsored religion. Which they most assuredly do.

          As for “persecution,” Rick, you’re old enough to remember Madalyn Murray O’Hair, who was routinely known as “the most hated woman in America.”

        • The Jeff | December 11, 2011 at 1:38 pm |

          “As to being a minority group (in its socio-political sense), at what point have atheists been persecuted or deprived of their rights?”

          Try “blue laws” Rick. There’s also that whole 50′s witchhunt which gave us “In God We Trust” on our money because a few powerful idiots thought that Atheism = Communism. And while there wasn’t any real effect, we also had our previous President make a statement that implied that Atheists shouldn’t be citizens.

          Atheists are the one minority that it’s still socially acceptable to discriminate against.

        • Rick | December 11, 2011 at 1:49 pm |

          So, if I go live in Tehran, I should expect them to stop celebrating Ramadan just because I’m there now?

          I agree with you on school prayer, and am a staunch and fervent believer in separation of church and state. I want NO ONE telling me what I should, or should not, believe.

          But, every country has some degree of religious underpinning, both political and cultural (you’ve been to Ireland or Mexico, for example, I’m sure) and the vast majority of the general populace has shared beliefs and holidays…and sometimes there are small things about which you just shrug your shoulders, and move on…because they’re endemic to the human experience.

          And they don’t require telling every individual how wrong they are.

        • Rick | December 11, 2011 at 1:55 pm |

          When exactly have you been discriminated against because of your Atheism, The Jeff?

          Under the law, that is?

          Been threatened? Denied a job? Or an apartment?

          Seriously, I’m interested in your definition of being discriminated against.

          Cuz, y’know, having to see a wreath on someone’s door or watch Tim Tebow tebow doesn’t count.

        • Winter | December 11, 2011 at 1:56 pm |

          “There, Anglos are a minority.”

          Rick, I’m just kind of surprised that you seem to equate Anglos with Christians.

          There’s really no correlation there.

        • Rick | December 11, 2011 at 1:59 pm |

          Also, you offered two examples of what was.

          Between you and me, I remember those quieter Sundays when everything was closed. I don’t agree with the reason for it, but it was kinda nice when everyone just slowed the hell down and took a deep breath for day.

          Don’t expect you to understand it, or appreciate it, but it really was quite pleasant. Frustrating, yeah, if you had a ton of stuff to get done on the weekend, but once you learned to plan for it, it made Sundays incredibly relaxing.

        • Rick | December 11, 2011 at 2:00 pm |

          Nah, just used Anglos to mean “out of towners”. :)

        • The Jeff | December 11, 2011 at 2:08 pm |

          Honestly Rick, I haven’t reallybeen discriminated against… because in the real world I try to avoid bringing it up. But that’s the whole problem, isn’t it? I can’t proudly say I DON’T BELIEVE IN GOD in public. Our society dictates that everyone believes in God in some way. I honestly feel that I need to hide my lack of belief in order to blend in. I’ve had a few occasions where people have asked me what I’m doing for Christmas, I’ve told them I don’t celebrate, they ask why, I admit my Atheism, and they shun me, or they want me to go to church with them so I can be saved or whatever.

          Maybe I’m not being officially discriminated against, but I definitely feel like an outcast.

        • Rick | December 11, 2011 at 2:10 pm |

          Madalyn Murray O’Hair?

          Man, she was poster child for capital A Atheism.

          “We’re right and all of you are wrong,” was the impression she created (you’re gonna have to trust me on this because I lived through it…and in many, many areas agreed with her).

          Had her campaign been clearly based on Free Thought (as I mentioned earlier) she’d have gained a whole lot more respect…or at least significantly less criticism.

          We used to talk about her in college, trying to figure out why she was so determinedly strident and anti-Christian, when talking about Free Thinking (and spending zero time pointing to the error of others’ ways) would seem to have given her a broader base.

          And again, the fact that SHE got flak doesn’t mean individual atheists suffered.

        • Rick | December 11, 2011 at 2:19 pm |

          Want to hear how I went round and round with my last girlfriend, who believed the creation of the earth took exactly six days? Or with my current co-worker who says there’s no way dinosaurs could have lived 65 million years ago because the earth isn’t CLOSE to that old? That carbon-dating is a trick God put here to test our Faith?

          “…or they want me to go to church with them so I can be saved or whatever.”

          Well, that’s just annoying. Not being discriminated against.

          And isn’t that just the flip side of when you say God is no more real than the Tooth Fairy and it’s hard not to look down on people who believe? I mean, you’re advocating your belief, and they theirs. Everyone wants to convince the other side.

          And that’s really that’s all I’ve been saying. Atheism has gone from, “Well, I just don’t believe” to one step short of having its own flag and meeting halls with songs n’ stuff, and running TV spots about “Why you’re all stupid.”

        • name redacted | December 11, 2011 at 5:27 pm |

          Don’t they throw you out of Yankee Stadium if you don’t observe God Bless America?

          I happen to work with a lot of conservative people, both politically and religiously. And I know to keep quiet about opposing viewpoints, lest it effect my ability to do my job correctly and/or the possibility for promotion.

          Just like Christians have tons of people whose intolerance and prostilatizing give their religion a bad name, it seems that aggressive atheists, such as Christopher Hitchens and Ricky Gervais, can do the same.

          /atheist who is a fan of both, but not for those reasons

        • Ricko | December 11, 2011 at 6:40 pm |

          If someone gets thrown out of Yankee Stadium for not singing, I hope they sue the club’s ass off and win a huge settlement.

          But I also hope they weren’t standing there shouting, “I don’t have to sing this, and all you people who do sing it are low brows who obviously don’t have a mind as brilliant and all knowing as mine.”

        • Brian | December 11, 2011 at 11:38 pm |

          “They have to deal with public health policy being debated in religious terms.”

          Please don’t tell me this is about abortion. Because the killing of a human being with arms and legs and an independent beating heart has nothing to do with religion.

      • concealed78 | December 11, 2011 at 12:05 pm |

        I think atheism/agnostic/non-religion/indifference is definitely on the upward swing in these modern & disconnected times. I think your point of it becoming Atheism is due to responding to fierce Christian onslaught and the irony of a lack of tolerance, and some are very vigilant and it only drives an instinctive counter defense mechanism by Atheists. I think what the hardcore-Christians have been doing in the past (the lifestyle, the protests & judgements, the TV channels, etc) just isn’t going to fly under the radar or be as generally accepted like it used to as society evolves.

        I’ve often joked about “attending to agnostic dismissive sermon & non-prayer church” but I guess it does actually exist. Tho there’s a group for everybody now.

        Anyways, we’re all posting on a Sunday morning at that. LOL

  • Jim Vilk | December 11, 2011 at 11:06 am |

    Love the new Jazz jersey. But then, I also loved the cheap-ass replicas.

    I don’t mind the number font on the Kings jersey. Instead, my equation would be (old-school chest insignia + newfangled SK logo = ewww)

    And I’d wear that Bub’s Pub broomball jersey.

    • Jim Vilk | December 11, 2011 at 11:10 am |

      To clarify, another equation would be
      (Kings uni – newfangled SK logo = I’d wear that)

      Enjoy your Sunday, folks.

      • concealed78 | December 11, 2011 at 11:23 am |

        I think mixing the old Kings graphics with the new colors just looks bad & like pandering. It comes off as a fashion jersey or an identity crisis than anything.

  • daveclt | December 11, 2011 at 11:19 am |

    I miss the old Uni Watch, where the focus was on uniforms. Somewhere along the way, this blog took a bad left turn.

    • concealed78 | December 11, 2011 at 11:27 am |

      Did I miss the lead story on today’s entry or something, but isn’t it two brand new uniforms?

      And the Ticker has been a sports news/random personal interest standard all the way back to May 2006.

    • Kyle Allebach | December 11, 2011 at 11:40 am |

      It’s Paul’s blog. If you don’t like it, you don’t have to read it.

      Also, the lead story was uniform based. In fact, I’m pretty sure all of his lead stories have been uniform based.

    • Paul Lukas | December 11, 2011 at 12:03 pm |

      One item buried in the Ticker — with a link you didn’t have to click on — ruined everything for you? You must find life very challenging if you demand that every aspect of it be 100% exactly the way you want it to be.

    • Bernard | December 11, 2011 at 12:10 pm |

      I think your life took a bad left turn when you decided to get out of bed this morning and continue breathing.

    • The Jeff | December 11, 2011 at 12:14 pm |

      That bad turn was probably at Albuquerque. Bugs always got that wrong too…

    • =bg= | December 11, 2011 at 12:18 pm |

      The Intertubes have a billion other sites. Go check them out…all of them…and then report back here, pronto.

    • BigChief | December 11, 2011 at 3:37 pm |

      I agree, Dave. I enjoy reading about uniforms, but I think I’ll go somewhere that doesn’t have a regular sprinkling of left-wing bullshit.

      • Graf Zeppelin | December 11, 2011 at 4:41 pm |

        I take it an occasional sprinkling of right-wing bullshit wouldn’t bother you?

      • Phil Hecken | December 11, 2011 at 11:50 pm |

        im sure it’s too late now for anyone to see this, but what really is beginning to chafe my ass, especially nowadays is this entire either/or that both parties are setting up

        i don’t consider athiesm or opposition to christianity, in any of its myriad forms, to be “left-wing” and as someone whose economic views skew libertarian to “conservative” (if you must label everything), my social values most definitely are *not* what evangelicals or other right-wing nuts (labels again) necessarily favor…

        as far as right-wing, left-wing “bullshit” … you might be surprised how a number of us feel about having any bullshit shoved in our faces

        there is nothing wrong with ‘athiests’ just as much as there is nothing wrong with christians, jews, muslims, hindus (wait, is that a religion?) or any other type of person who either chooses to practice or not to practice

        anything

        but if you’re going to base a philosophy for a corporation on a theology, and you’re pretty in your face about it in a lot of ways, or you support causes you have no business (literally) supporting…then don’t be surprised if someone calls bullshit on you

        and don’t forget, IGWT and “under god” were NOT originally parts of our coin/paper or the pledge of allegiance

        why there was any necessity to add either is still beyond me…oh that’s right, to prove we’re better than those goddam godless commie pricks

  • Kyle Allebach | December 11, 2011 at 11:32 am |

    Apparently, FedEx Fueld will still say ARMY and NAVY in the end zones from yesterday’s game.

    • Wheels | December 11, 2011 at 12:21 pm |

      Damn, that’s slack.

      • Steve | December 11, 2011 at 2:18 pm |

        What’s slack is the Skins wearing those damn white pants again.

        • Rick | December 11, 2011 at 2:41 pm |

          That’s a tough one. Everyone loves the golds now apparently, and they weren’t badly thought of in their original time….though they were seen as part of the painfully obvious Packer knockoff that accompanied the arrival of Lombardi.

          Plus, they weren’t designed to go with the the White over Burgundy and Burgundy over White set introduced in… 1979, was it?

          How’s that for ambivalence?

  • =bg= | December 11, 2011 at 11:41 am |

    love the ticker today~ can Phil start one for Sat/Sun’s?

  • AOKW | December 11, 2011 at 12:00 pm |

    Looks like Mizzou might have done a little copy catting with their new jerseys. A small NAIA school, Ottawa University (I’m a former student and football player), in Kansas has the exact same jersey but is simply missing the shoulder stripes. But fair is fair, Mizzou stole our jerseys, and we stole their offense in 2008, allowing us to rise in the NAIA ranks. Maybe our jerseys will help them do the same in the SEC!

    Here’s Ottawa’s from 2010:
    http://www.facebook....

    Here’s Mizzou’s alleged new jersey:
    http://farm8.static....

    • Connie | December 11, 2011 at 1:50 pm |

      Whoa! That’s ridiculous copy-catting. Have you Ottawans raised a fuss? If you haven’t, please consider.

      • The Jeff | December 11, 2011 at 2:16 pm |

        Meh, it’s the Pro Combat 2009 template. They just both wear the same colors. One jersey’s got sleeve stripes, the other doesn’t. There’s no deliberate copycat attempt. You might as well claim the Ravens are copycatting the Steelers because they both use black helmets.

        • Connie | December 11, 2011 at 3:09 pm |

          I’ll say most anything to stir up a fight.

        • AOKW | December 11, 2011 at 8:25 pm |

          I just that maybe they might do something a bit more original for a DI. Missouri’s last template was a groundbreaking one, whether people like the jersey or not, and I was just expecting more from them. They must be going away from the truer gold they used on their helmets and going more to a varsity yellow.

    • Kevin | December 12, 2011 at 12:08 pm |

      Those are NOT the new Missouri unis…or at least they probably aren’t. That exact template is what Nike uses for uniform shows. Expect a different type of yellow and a little more splash.

  • Rick | December 11, 2011 at 12:52 pm |

    Speaking of jerseys, anyone else really like with the Cincinnati basketball coach had to say in his post-game news conference last night (starts at 3:23)?
    http://espn.go.com/m...

    As opposed to Xavier’s version of it…
    http://www.youtube.c...

    • Rick | December 11, 2011 at 12:54 pm |

      crap. Click on “Cincy-XU brawl” for Cincy coach at 3:23.

  • Paul Lukas | December 11, 2011 at 1:38 pm |

    I have to go bowling in New Jersey now (much to everyone’s relief, I’m sure). Back in time for tonight’s Giants game.

  • Wheels | December 11, 2011 at 1:58 pm |

    The Chiefs shouldn’t wear white socks with their white jerseys and pants.

    • timmy b | December 11, 2011 at 4:40 pm |

      Agreed.
      Not to mention their white cleats.

  • NinerEd | December 11, 2011 at 2:11 pm |

    How about Ben Clyde, who averaged 2.9 ppg in 25 games for the Boston Celtics in 1974-75. He was the last guy to wear No. 33 before the Hick from French Lick.

  • odessasteps | December 11, 2011 at 2:42 pm |

    X-mas tree related kits for Werder Bremen this year

    http://www.football-...

    • timmy b | December 11, 2011 at 4:39 pm |

      I noted that in yesterday’s posts.

      Werder has been doing that for the last several seasons in their last home game prior to the Bundesliga’s winter break.

  • Geeman | December 11, 2011 at 2:54 pm |

    Phil: I skipped over all the political nonsense above, but just wanted to let you know how much this naval officer enjoyed your excellent post on the Army-Navy game yesterday. I’m a traditional uni guy, but I loved both uniforms, as did my fiance and one of my Marine officer buddies. My dad, however, preferred the old school navy blue and gold for Navy. Go Navy!

  • Johnny O | December 11, 2011 at 2:55 pm |

    Brewers added a home run database on the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel website. It is pretty damn all inclusive (Miller Park era)

    http://data.jsonline...

  • Rick | December 11, 2011 at 3:24 pm |

    Joe Webb, playing for benched Christian Ponder, just ran 65 yards for a TD.

    Hmmm…might be a decent backup for Tebow. Y’know, if the Broncos really do comment to their current style offense.

    I’ve asked this before. Seeing Webb always makes me think that I can’t recall too many successful NFL QBs who wore #14, but there must be some. Craig Morton with Dallas would be one, I suppose. Y.A. Tittle, too.

    • Wheels | December 11, 2011 at 3:40 pm |

      Dan Fouts.

      • Ricko | December 11, 2011 at 3:57 pm |

        Thank you. I know there’s one I always forget, and he’s the one.

        Ken Anderson, too (y’know, being reminded of a freezing cold day in Cincinnati).

    • Graf Zeppelin | December 11, 2011 at 4:39 pm |

      Fouts, Anderson & Graham immediately leapt to mind. Also, Y.A. Tittle. Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl but was never a great QB; he wore #14 for several teams. Chuck Fusina played in all three USFL championship games, winning the last two, with the Philadelphia/Baltimore Stars.

      Frank Reich was a terrific backup wearing #14 for the Bills. Steve Grogan was decent for a good number of years. Cody Carlson was an OK backup with the Oilers. Richard Todd had a couple of good years with the Jets.

      On the other hand, Vinny Testaverde wore #14 with Tampa Bay and never distinguished himself there. Ty Detmer wore #14 for the Eagles, Lions and Cardinals. And one of the worst QB busts ever, Todd Blackledge, wore #14 for two teams.

    • traxel | December 11, 2011 at 6:37 pm |

      Ryan Fitzpatrick. Andy Dalton.

      • Ricko | December 11, 2011 at 7:03 pm |

        Ah-ha. It’s making a comeback.
        Of sorts.

      • StLMarty | December 11, 2011 at 11:27 pm |

        Richard Todd?

  • Greenie | December 11, 2011 at 3:26 pm |

    Just announced, Octavio Dotel signs a 1-yr deal with the Detroit Tigers, his 13th team in MLB, breaking a record he shared with Matt Stairs, Ron Villone & Mike Morgan. Another couple seasons and he could have pitched for half the entire league.

    http://sports.yahoo....

    • Rick | December 11, 2011 at 3:39 pm |

      Interesting you bring that up. Just the other day I was wondering if anyone has a higher percentage, league-wide, than QB Matt Dunigan in the CFL?

      Played, and started, for five teams: Edmonton, British Columbia, Toronto, Winnipeg and Hamilton. Depending on the year, was an eight- or nine-team league.

      And, just to make it really over the top, he actually played for a sixth team. During the time when the CFL had teams in the U.S., he was QB for Birmingham.

      • Mike Engle | December 11, 2011 at 4:50 pm |

        Ron Ullman did a comic about a guy who played for every single Original-6 team before 1967. Yep, that’s a man who collected a paycheck (or a cup of coffee) from 100% of possible NHL teams during his years of activity. His name escapes me though.

        • Matthew Radican | December 11, 2011 at 5:39 pm |

          One site said that it never happened:
          http://wiki.answers....

          Wikipedia states that only one player, Vic Lynn, did play for all 6 teams:
          http://wiki.answers....

          That kind of useless-to-know shit fascinates me.

    • Mike 2 | December 11, 2011 at 5:30 pm |

      Damon Allen had a higher percentage than Matt Dunigan – Allen played for 7 CFL teams (6 of the 9 Canadian teams, plus Memphis).

      Vic Lynn is the only guy to have played for all six Original Six teams – though it looks like he only played 6 games combined for NYR, Detroit and Montreal.

      • Ricko | December 11, 2011 at 6:33 pm |

        Forgot about Damon Allen.
        Thanks.

    • Patrick_in_MI | December 12, 2011 at 12:51 am |

      Should be interesting to see what sort of striped hosiery Mr. Dotel will be showing off for the Detroit nine next year.

  • JimWa | December 11, 2011 at 4:13 pm |

    I am not a fan of color-over-color monochrome informs. However, it seems less offensive with the Broncos than it does with most teams, perhaps because of the massive florescent swoosh-tip going down the leg.

  • AUHookd | December 11, 2011 at 4:46 pm |

    Found yesterday’s SWAC championship uni matchup rather interesting: http://photos.al.com...

    Hope it isn’t too politically incorrect to point out that HBCUs seem to take more design chances with their football unis. In this case, I think the Alabama A&M jerseys make sense and look pretty darned decent (pit stains notwithstanding). Grambling? Um, not a fan.

  • Tony C. | December 11, 2011 at 4:58 pm |

    i wish more bowl games would be played color v color uni. just think how great this year’s Gator Bowl would look with the Buckeyes in their scarlet unis and the Gators in their blue unis..

  • Wheels | December 11, 2011 at 5:51 pm |

    The Broncos uniforms are the genesis of tasteless modern uniform design.

    • SoCalDrew | December 11, 2011 at 7:42 pm |

      +1

  • =bg= | December 11, 2011 at 7:10 pm |

    speaking of the Broncos, they score 10 pts in last 150 seconds including a FIFTY NINE YARD FG with 03 left..they go into OT.

    I’ve never seen anything like this.

    • Shane | December 11, 2011 at 7:58 pm |

      I lost a bet at the bar on that FG, dammit.

  • =bg= | December 11, 2011 at 7:22 pm |

    Broncos win in OT. I grew up with the original Captain Comeback, Roger Staubach. But Tebow’s amazing.

    • Tim E. O'B | December 11, 2011 at 8:12 pm |

      This had nothing to do with Tebow, he only completed passes when the bears were playing their safeties were 25 yards off the line and Marion Barber lost the game for the bears twice.

      You sir, just like all the other Tebow fans, are football idiots.

      • Pat | December 11, 2011 at 8:31 pm |

        7-1. That’s all I have to say about that.

      • =bg= | December 11, 2011 at 8:35 pm |

        @ Tim E. O’B:

        I’d watch who you’re calling an idiot.

        • Tim E. O'B | December 11, 2011 at 10:02 pm |

          Just in case it wasn’t clear, I meant you.

      • Ricko | December 11, 2011 at 8:45 pm |

        By the same token, if we deny the kid’s ability to step up and deliver in clutch moments (even though, yes, the whole thing has been set up by an excellent defense and sometimes incredible, flat-out dumb luck, neither of which have anything to do with him), then we don’t know much about football, either. Because he just as easily could go face down in his hoagie, but he hasn’t.

        Every once in a while athletes come along and, for a period of time, seem to do amazing things in extraordinary moments.

        Better to just sit back and watch the show, and see how long the “karma” holds than bitch about it. That’ll a) keep us from getting all twisted up about it, and b) help us enjoy something people will be talking about for a long time.

        Kinda like that famous stretch George Blanda had with the Raiders. Sure, some could say, “Well, he’s just kicked some field goals and threw a few TD passes.” And, while that’s true, he’s still the one who did it. And it still was fun to watch it play out.

        • Johnny O | December 11, 2011 at 9:33 pm |

          The Bears, like six other teams this year, have been Tebowed. The only “idiots” are the non-believers. Will this offense work next year? Maybe not. But, the time is now, and the time is “Tebow time”.

    • Tim E. O'B | December 11, 2011 at 10:10 pm |

      Everyone remember that Kyle Orton went 6-0 with this team just two seasons ago.

      Tebow is a terrible quarterback. Defenses have already caught up to him, unfortunately Marian Barber decided to lose this game twice.

      Matthew 6:1-3

      • Kyle Allebach | December 11, 2011 at 10:18 pm |

        Defenses have yet to catch him if he’s 7-1 as a starter.

        This spread-offense, wobbly throwing southpaw will probably stop winning sometime in the post-season, but it’s still pretty amazing to watch the Bronco’s pull out 4th quarter/OT wins almost every week.

        I just wish they would wear a better looking uniform while doing it.

      • Ricko | December 11, 2011 at 10:22 pm |

        They give style points in pro football now?

        Wait’ll a Russian or French judge gets at him, huh.
        That’ll fix his wagon.

      • =bg= | December 11, 2011 at 10:31 pm |

        @ Tim E. O’B-

        Whatever dude.

        You’re simply not worth my time.

        • traxel | December 11, 2011 at 11:01 pm |

          Yep. Disagreeing does not have to end up in name calling. Seriously cheapens the site.

      • George N. | December 11, 2011 at 11:11 pm |

        I think teams need to realize that if you’re playing your normal defensive schemes for 58 minutes and making Tebow look bewildered and clueless out there, WHY IN GOD’S NAME WOULD YOU SWITCH TO A PREVENT SCHEME IN THE LAST 2 MINUTES AND ALLOW HIM TO MARCH DOWN THE FIELD AT LEISURE?

        With 2 minutes left, every single team in his 7-1 run has opted to give his receivers a 10-yard cushion and not rush the QB in fear of giving up a huge running play. So instead Tebow just dinks and dunks them to death and next thing you know he’s picked up 80 yards or so in the span of 2 minutes, leaving YOUR offense no time to do anything when the Broncos inevitably score.

        • Kyle Allebach | December 11, 2011 at 11:13 pm |

          Damned if you do, damned if you don’t, I suppose…

  • Bromotrifluoromethane | December 11, 2011 at 7:37 pm |

    Dear Kansas City Chiefs,

    This looks horrible:
    http://www.mysananto...

    Please stick with this much better look:
    http://images.pictur...

    • concealed78 | December 12, 2011 at 6:52 am |

      I prefer the white pants – it really makes the red & gold stripes & numbers pop and the red helmet is key.

      I can’t think of a single instance where red pants (which looks really bright & bloody) in any context at all looks good.

  • Shane | December 11, 2011 at 7:59 pm |

    I haven’t seen it, but Grantland’s Katie Baker was just tweeting about Henrik Lundqvist’s leg pad getting ripped and the NYR equipment guys sewing it back up.

    https://twitter.com/...

  • Pat | December 11, 2011 at 8:29 pm |

    So my wife just said when the Giants cam on the screen, “Man their uniforms are tight! Did someone order them the wrong size or something?” Enough said.

  • Steve | December 11, 2011 at 9:31 pm |

    Does anybody know why the Giants are the only team in the league with those awesome facemasks?

    • Myron Y | December 11, 2011 at 10:22 pm |

      If you are referring to the Tuck mask, it was created so it would be more difficult for defenders to accidentally get their fingers caught in the bars, twist his neck, and aggravate his neck injury. Other players liked it and have chosen to use it….

  • Kyle Allebach | December 11, 2011 at 10:06 pm |

    I came to Uni Watch for the Uni News, but stayed for the comments on Chik-Fil-A and Religion.

    Sometimes this site is just too much fun.

  • Phil Hecken | December 11, 2011 at 11:56 pm |

    hey brinke…

    HOW BOUT DEM…

    061029_new_york_giants_logo3

    suck it, america’s team

    • Tim E. O'B | December 12, 2011 at 12:30 am |

      Damn you PHIL! The bears coulda used a giants loss.

      Who am i kidding, Barber ended the bears season today. Fuck the cowboys. fuck em right in their ass.

    • concealed78 | December 12, 2011 at 6:59 am |

      lol Phil…. so much my own silly conceived notion that we should check our team alliances at the door for Uni Watch for the sake of civility & critiquing objectivity =P

      I’m not pissed at Tebow or the Cowboys because the Bears season was built on a faulty philosophy & has been living off luck the past 2 seasons. They may still end up making the playoffs @ (maybe) 9-7, but they won’t advance. The way they’ve been losing games is nothing short of gross incompetence that you have to find comical.

  • Mdb | December 12, 2011 at 12:37 am |

    Tim E. O’B… You’re an idiot for not recognizing tebows talent, determination, and ability to WIN. From one tebow fan to another I got your back =Bg=

    • Tim E. O'B | December 12, 2011 at 12:44 am |

      Remember everyone sucking Vince Young’s dick? How did that work out?

      Kyle Orton?

      Kolb?

      Cassel?

      Being a ‘winner’ is only a true when you’re winning. Being a good QB is something that never waivers from game to game, pass to pass.

      Tebow is bad at quarterbacking (hes a fantastic fullback), and if you cant see that, you either are in denial or have a terrible football IQ.

  • Andrew Seagraves | December 12, 2011 at 1:00 am |

    Currently watching the UNC-Chapel Hill/UNC-Charlotte national championship – looks close (I say close) to what a Man City (if they went mono baby blue)/Celtic FC game. Only Charlotte’s numbers are a bit less readable than Celtics.

    • Andrew Seagraves | December 12, 2011 at 1:02 am |

      In association football, that is

  • Kelley | December 12, 2011 at 8:05 pm |

    Any other examples of a specific uni number on a team’s roster undergoing such a radical reversal of fortune? …

    2007 Tampa Bay Devil Rays #3 Jorge Cantu
    2008 Tampa Bay Rays #3 Evan Longoria

    Not only did the team undergo a significant identity overhaul in the offseason, but the number itself was re-assigned when, first, Cantu was traded before the 2007 trading deadlin, and then Evan Longoria debuted in April 2008.

    In 4 seasons and 332 games with the Devil Rays, Cantu hit 44 home runs with 200 RBI and 142 runs. He hit .272 with an OPS of .756, which adds up to reasonable production, but nothing you’d build a franchise around. Cantu’s similarity scores include Garrett Atkins, Fernando Tatis, and Chris Sabo.

    After the franchise image makeover, Longoria debuted with a Rookie of the Year season, has since netted 3 All-Star bids, Silver Slugger, Gold Glove, a record-setting postseason debut, and the following numbers over his 4 seasons with Tampa Bay: In 563 games, he’s hit 113 HR, 401 RBI, 341 R, with a .274 BA and .874 OPS. Longoria’s similarity scores to this point include Scott Rolen, Gary Sheffield, and Jim Thome.

    I’d argue that the improved performance, hardware (which was completely new for the franchise, having never won an award before Longo’s ROY), and postseason appearances, make the makeover of #3 symbolic of the makeover of the franchise as a whole.

  • RCJ | December 13, 2011 at 4:56 pm |

    Sounds like someone is massively jumping on the assumptive bandwagon with regard to Chik-Fil-A. Oh no, they’re a Christian company – how EVIL! It offends the defenseless atheists that people have other points of view. And how awful that one individual store donated chicken to a church event that included an anti-gay marriage message. Up in arms! From all that we can assume that one individual douche was forced at gunpoint to make asian jokes.

    Get off your liberal horse. Its obnoxious.