Auction Action

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Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving, as I did. In between bites of turkey and stuffing, my brother informed me that he’s become a soccer fan, which was a bit of a stunner. This may end up changing our family dynamic for years to come.

Meanwhile: I’ve fallen behind on recent auction items (most of them recommended by the increasingly indispensable Mike Hersh). So today’s entry, covering items from the recently completed Legendary Auctions catalog and the current Leland’s catalog, is a bit longer than usual. Let’s get started:

• Here’s an interesting women’s chest protector, complete with breast pads.

• It’s not often that you see 1920s baseball equipment ads in color.

• Oh baby, look at these awesome little die-cut baseball figurines from 1888!

• Interesting to see that George Halas’s sporting goods company was supplying uniforms to the Cubs.

• Here’s a weird one: a set of baseball cards featuring injuries. Sort of Charles Addams-esque.

• Love the little illustrations along the top and bottom of this bubble gum wrapper.

• If you like the old bib-style jerseys from the 1800s, you’ll never find a nicer specimen than this one.

• If you click on the second and fourth photos of Jim Marshall’s Pro Bowl helmet, you can see the ghosted outlines of his Vikings horns.

• There’s something amusing about Mickey Mantle serving as the pitchman for a guide to healthy living. As a bonus, the “Glad You’re an American?” page provides some very amusing propaganda.

• You can never have too many satin Dodgers uniforms.

• For that matter, you can never have too many satin Dodgers Japanese robes!

Best. Ticket. Stub. Ever.

• We’ve seen all sorts of cold-weather dugout garments over the years, but I’ve never seen anything like this full-length Dodgers overcoat.

• If Red Sox pitchers can’t drink beer during ballgames anymore, maybe they can sneak a bottle of this stuff into their jackets.

• I love the ticket stubs from this San Francisco Seals tour of Japan. Lots of related items, all of them sensational, here, here, and here.

• Harlem Globetrotters jerseys are usually blue, so I snapped to attention when I saw this white one. And look at those amazing stirrups! Magnificent.

• Wilt Chamberlain supposedly didn’t like the nickname Wilt the Stilt, but that didn’t stop him from calling his record label Stilt Records.

• Not sure I’ve ever seen old football friction strips in this pattern before. Very nice.

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Black Friday Surprise: The Indians have just announced some alterations to their home and navy alternate jerseys. The new navy strikes me as a significant upgrade (I hated all that white space). As for the home, I definitely like the elimination of the outlining on the script. I’m a little disappointed in the loss of the headspoon, but it’s not a major tragedy. Overall: Good.

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Uni Watch News Ticker: I think Niners receiver Michael Crabtree has officially set the record for the most ridiculous pants/socks combo. … New mascot in the works for Syracuse (from Sean Keeley). … UCLA will be wearing solid-white uniforms — including white helmets — for Saturday night’s game against USC. … The Polish eagle has been returned to the country’s soccer jersey (from Bill Radocy). … Here’s a good view of the design evolution of the UGA bulldog — complete with logo creep in the most recent iteration. … Gazoo update: A little birdie tells me Rawlings may unveil a new version of the S100 helmet at MLB’s winter meetings. … Andrew McKillop found some shots of Joe Theismann and an Redskins lineman wearing red shoes in 1977. … Click on the thumbnail to see this awesome ABA serving tray (big thanks to Bruce Menard). … Xmas-themed jerseys for the Wilkes-Barre Pens (thanks, RyCo). … Some serious striping being worn by Oswego hockey. The sock stripes are particularly interesting — you don’t usually see hockey stripes going up over the knee like that. I like! (From Steve Haryan.) … Mike Hersh recently acquired a 1970 Cooper hockey catalog with some sensational helmet and mask listings. … The Rangers will finally unveil their Winter Classic jersey on Monday. … There are Flyers fans, and then there’s an actual Flyers fan, as seen in the background here (good spot by Marc Malfara). … Remember those Radford basketball jerseys with the big “RU” mistakenly placed above the NOB? They’ve “solved” that problem by covering up the offending letters with the biggest American flag patch ever to appear on a uniform (big thanks to Michael Kinney and Chad Back). … In case you were lucky enough to miss it on Wednesday night, the Islanders’ alternate uni design made its on-ice debut, and it looked even worse than you probably expected. … Honestly, why doesn’t everyone wear striped socks already? … Matt Wilson was watching the 1988 Ohio State/Michigan game and noticed Leroy Hoard wearing some sort of plastic attachment on his facemask. … Shorpy scores again.

 

138 comments to Auction Action

  • Kyle Allebach | November 25, 2011 at 7:29 am |

    Don’tcha mean Ted Ginn? The all-white legs looked like crap. Also, you there a nice pic of a super-strechie Alex Smith.

    • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 10:33 am |

      That’s style common to the 70s and 80s. I could probably post photos of at least 50 different NFL players who typically opted for the white, or nearly all white, legs look. Did post a few late last night. Was so common it didn’t look odd. In that era, what looked odd was someone wearing short white crews.

      These days some go all color (Chiefs David Boe a couple weeks ago, for ex.), or color from knee to top of shoes. That’s almost an even older look, going back to the 20s and high tops with not white crews showing.

      Styles change, is all I’m saying.

      Plus, it’s almost December and NFL players consistently start messing with stuff like that late in the season. Don’t know if it’s the colder weather or boredom, but it happens every year.

      One other point worth making: Last night it looked like all the 49er receivers (Ginn, Crabtree, Edwards and the TEs) opted for the same sort of look. So it may have had a least a bit of “team” in it, and not so much look at ME.

      Remember when Randy Moss and the Viking receivers all went with Afros for a game or two? “America’s Finest Receiver On Sunday” (or in one case, Saturday because it was, yes, December).

      • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 10:49 am |

        should be “Receivers (plural) on Sundays”.
        Was the whole bunch, not only Moss.

    • Kyle Allebach | November 25, 2011 at 4:54 pm |

      Okay. I thought it was a fairly recent thing to go all-white. What are the colored socks anyway? Are they actually socks, or just leg-warmers, like on Frank Gore?

  • Fran | November 25, 2011 at 7:40 am |

    Georgia’s not the only one with logo creep, from the article on the new Syracuse Mascot
    “The Nike Swoosh is new, and I’m sure you’ve already noticed that. Just know it could have been worse”

    • James Craven | November 25, 2011 at 9:35 am |

      Of course, both Karl Ravich and Charlie Steiner will continue to deliver left hooks and now they have an additional reason.

  • Pierre | November 25, 2011 at 7:58 am |

    The photos of the Jim Marshall Pro Bowl helmet illustrate what I have said about how the inside of Riddell helmets used to be neatly painted gray (perhaps it was just primer), without sloppy overspray of the exterior color such I recently saw on the inside of a Saints helmet. The attention to detail on Pro Bowl helmets, which were repainted for one-time use only, is impressive.

  • Mark in Shiga | November 25, 2011 at 7:59 am |

    Those Radford jerseys look truly terrible. As aa Rutgers alum I’m terrified that people might think, given the initials and the colors, that they’re ours!

    Here’s a good rule. Don’t put anything above the number on the back of a jersey. Even if you insist on having NOBs, put nothing above that.

    • Simply Moono | November 25, 2011 at 8:06 am |

      “Here’s a good rule. Don’t put anything above the number on the back of a jersey. Even if you insist on having NOBs, put nothing above that.”

      Here’s another good rule. Don’t use screenprinted graphics. If the graphics were tackle twill, then all they would need is a seam ripper. Plus, tackle twill owns screenprint. Period.

      • Mark in Shiga | November 25, 2011 at 8:53 am |

        That’s a good point; tackle twill looks awesome. I can barely look at the iron-on numbers of the 1980s NFL. It just looks so shiny and wrong (except the the 49ers; I think they never left the twill tradition).

        • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 10:41 am |

          49ers had a stripeless (and TV numberless) red mesh hot weather jersey with screened numbers in the early 70s…when lots of other teams did, too.

          I’d always thought it was only the Steelers and Raiders who never wavered from tackle twill, but I think someone mentioned that’d I’d missed a non-tackle twill for one of them (can’t remember the specifics, though).

  • Simply Moono | November 25, 2011 at 8:10 am |

    The link to the satin Dodgers Japanese robe leads to the satin jersey, and the Stilt records link leads to the Globetrotters uni.

    • Paul Lukas | November 25, 2011 at 8:42 am |

      Thanks. Both now fixed.

  • JAson | November 25, 2011 at 8:30 am |

    The Indians changed their piping and finally got rid of the superfluous white layer in their wordmark.

    http://view.ed4.net/...

    • Flip | November 25, 2011 at 9:46 am |

      Two thumbs up.

      • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 10:42 am |

        Indeed. Nice, clean look.

        • chuck | November 25, 2011 at 5:16 pm |

          The Indians team web site also states that the home alt cream jersey will have a slight reduction on the font size of the Cleveland lettering. I am guessing this is a typo, they mean Indians lettering.

    • metimoteo | November 25, 2011 at 10:54 am |

      Two thumbs down! I like the “head-spoon” and the white highlighting. To each his own, I suppose. There’s no need to change what isn’t broken.

      • Flip | November 25, 2011 at 11:45 am |

        Sorry, but the head spoon has become a baseball cliche. The Tigers, Red Sox and Braves can keep it, but otherwise it’s taking on a minor league look.

        • scott | November 25, 2011 at 12:30 pm |

          If anything’s a baseball cliche, it’s the softball tops – which are truly an amateur look. I’d give the changes a thumbs up if they had eliminated that entirely from the wardrobe.

        • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 1:14 pm |

          It’s been around for 50 years, at least.

          That make it a cliche, or just a standard?

        • concealed78 | November 25, 2011 at 1:43 pm |

          I don’t see how headspoon (looks more like “bentspoon”, or whatever the hell we’re calling it) is anymore cliche than pinstripes. Basically uni trim breaks down into: nothing/plain solid, headspoon / placket and/or sleeve piping, pinstripes, collar and/or sleeve stripes/trim, or a sleeveless variation of these. Nobody wants to put on sleeve/shoulder racing stripes. There’s only so many things you can do to a baseball jersey without the NFL / NHL cutouts & fashion design horrors.

          Pinstripes with headspoon/placket piping is a look I really like but is really dated.

        • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 2:14 pm |

          How ’bout we call it piping?

          a) That’s what it is (walk into a Hancock Fabrics or some such and ask for “piping” and that’s what you’ll get).

          b) That what it’s been called in terms of describing baseball uniforms for 70 years or more. Piping refers to trim on the placket. Striping is something else.

          Not difficult terminology to embrace. Or are we in Trekkie world where we need to know (or invent) the Klingon terms?

        • Arr Scott | November 25, 2011 at 2:27 pm |

          I would add one more category, which is also currently unused. It’s the headspoon plus sleeve-edge piping connected by shoulder stripes. Most famously worn in the big leagues by the Cardinals, but probably best known now in association with the Negro Leagues. So I propose the name Graysing Stripes. Somebody needs to bring that pattern back; either St. Louis or Washington could pull it off within the context of current unis/logos.

        • Arr Scott | November 25, 2011 at 2:27 pm |

          Graysing Stripes, or Homesteadspoon.

      • Jet | November 25, 2011 at 2:09 pm |

        Ditto, I liked the headspoon piping. Too plain now. Oh well.

        -Jet

    • concealed78 | November 25, 2011 at 11:09 am |

      Back to the future in the 1994 script. Tho I think it’s much better – that script is way too thick & clunky to warrant double trim (me and double trim seem to have a problem apparently, it usually never works).

    • pushbutton | November 25, 2011 at 11:18 am |

      Script is too thick. I don’t like script for that team, anyway.

      If headspoons are going the way of BFBS that’s a good trend (no net loss, placket people, SD has your back). Spare the ‘spoon!

      • jfi | November 25, 2011 at 11:46 am |

        I think these changes are fine but I think the whole Indians uniform family is a mess. Different shades of blue, inconsistent logos, etc. I think back 4-5 years ago they had a much more consistent and “identifiable as Indians” set…

        • Wheels | November 25, 2011 at 12:36 pm |

          Agreed.

    • Pat | November 25, 2011 at 5:22 pm |

      Really? They just moved further down my list for becoming too plain.

  • Jack | November 25, 2011 at 8:36 am |

    I just got a black Friday email from the Indians pushing yet another year’s change in home uniform tops. Can’t say either the home or alt navy tops thrill me.

    • Paul Lukas | November 25, 2011 at 8:39 am |

      Yes, new Indians jerseys, just now announced. I’ve added this to today’s entry — scroll up to the Chief Wahoo icon for details.

  • teenchy | November 25, 2011 at 9:09 am |

    A fellow Georgia alum sent me that NYT article featuring the Ugas. To call what’s happened “design evolution” seems a bit of a misnomer when it’s really not the breed that’s evolved but what one person has decided an example of the breed should look like.

    Sonny Seiler has turned the Ugas into the Habsburgs of college mascots.

  • Arr Scott | November 25, 2011 at 9:17 am |

    Possible event of world-historical significance: Is this the first time Paul has used the word “headspoon”? As recently as last week, Paul was still using technical terms like collar-and-placket piping instead. Someone call the OED!

    • Paul Lukas | November 25, 2011 at 9:25 am |

      Is this the first time Paul has used the word “headspoon”?

      Indeed it is. Still not in love with it, but trying it on for size. An experiment, the results of which are still being calculated.

      • fiesta | November 25, 2011 at 12:22 pm |

        I wasn’t sure what was meant at first, having never heard the term before…what kind of very specific design lingo is Paul using? Aha, now I get it.

        • chuck | November 25, 2011 at 10:55 pm |

          I always call them pajama tops! I am so glad the Tribe has ditched the piping!

      • Arr Scott | November 25, 2011 at 2:30 pm |

        Not my favorite word, aesthetically, but it is so precisely apt and answers the need for a word that doesn’t otherwise exist. Makes it a near-perfect neologism.

      • Rob S | November 25, 2011 at 4:12 pm |

        Sounds ridiculous.

        Makes me think of “spoonheads”, an in-universe derogatory term for the Cardassians on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.

  • Patrick_in_MI | November 25, 2011 at 9:20 am |

    Paging Mark in Shiga or Jeremy B…I’m interested in what the Japanese characters spell out on that robe.

    Looks like a shrewd move by O’Malley, the goodwill tour of Japan before they even moved to LA. Practically guaranteed a future fanbase.

    Catch of the Day a rerun already?

    I really want fish sticks for dinner now.

    • Paul Lukas | November 25, 2011 at 9:26 am |

      Catch of the Day a rerun already?

      Huh?

      • Arr Scott | November 25, 2011 at 2:32 pm |

        COtD feels like a Beer Frame cover story, which makes it the treat of the day for me. Great stuff. Especially interesting to see how the proportions of several still-popular candy bars have changed. The more brick-like shape of Milky Way, for example, looks tastier than the modern version.

      • Patrick_in_MI | November 25, 2011 at 6:03 pm |

        That CoTD has been the candy wrappers ad for 2 or 3 days now, at least on my PC.

    • Mark in Shiga | November 25, 2011 at 9:34 am |

      Patrick, happy to oblige!

      It says ‘Hodges’ (ホッジス) and ‘Dodgers’ (ドジャース).

      They should have put his number 14 (十四 or 一四) on the back in Japanese too; that would have been perfect.

  • Mike Edgerly | November 25, 2011 at 9:20 am |

    Man that Shorpy pic is so cool…I was motivated to go to Google Street view and find the spot, but someone in the Shorpy comments beat me to it!

    • Chris Holder | November 25, 2011 at 9:39 am |

      Shorpy is in my Top 5 of best internet sites. Love it.

    • LarryB | November 25, 2011 at 12:45 pm |

      I wondered what team the players were on. I see there is a Minot State college team. And Minot high school colors are sort of like Minnesota Gophers now.

      Minot State maybe be red white and black.

  • Chicago Shep | November 25, 2011 at 9:22 am |

    Great find on the Halas Cubbies uniform!

    I wish Santa would help it find its way to my house!

  • nico | November 25, 2011 at 9:36 am |

    Buffa-slug alive and well!
    Thanks to the folks at WSC.co.uk, check this out:

    http://en.wikipedia....

    enjoy!

    • Jet | November 25, 2011 at 2:10 pm |

      What the????

      -Jet

  • Chris Holder | November 25, 2011 at 9:38 am |

    Looks like UGA has, like most Americans, been getting a little pudgier over the years, eh?

    Those Indians uniforms are a BIG improvement to my eyes. I don’t know why exactly, but that superfluous white outlining on the old jerseys made them look like something a little league team would wear. I agree with Paul that the “headspoon” should have stayed, but still. The word mark is a 100% improvement, and the navy top looks downright GORGEOUS. As a Braves fan, I wish our navy jersey could look that good, instead of the steaming hot mess of UGA excrement that it is.

  • Matt Beahan | November 25, 2011 at 10:08 am |

    Check out the UltraStripe pattern (better known as Rainbow Guts/Tequila Sunrise) on this Dr. J jersey:
    http://monthly.scpau...

    Never seen the pattern repeat like this. It’s similar to the unis worn by the mid-80s Tracer/Phillips Milano team in the Italian league (which were themselves just recoloured versions of the Milwaukee Bucks’ ’77-85 unis)…

  • Terence M.K. | November 25, 2011 at 10:15 am |

    “Some serious striping being worn by Oswego hockey. The sock stripes are particularly interesting — you don’t usually see hockey stripes going up over the knee like that. I like! (From Steve Haryan.)”

    Well, the Sabres used to pull it off beeeeyooootifully!

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    http://www.hhof.com/...

    • Phil Hecken | November 25, 2011 at 10:29 am |

      good call, mr. snuggles teaemmque…

      the sabres homes (yes, when you wore white at home, as god intended) always used to completely fuck with my OCD however, as the blue-white-gold-white-blue on the sweater didn’t match the gold-white-blue-white-gold on the hem and the socks

      see?

      the roadies, however, were nothing short of awesome

      • BrianC | November 25, 2011 at 10:41 am |

        I’m told that the mismatched waist striping vs. sleeve striping was a mistake by the manufacturer that was too late to correct.

        For the record, when I was playing, our team wore Sabres jerseys with matching sleeve and waist stripes. One of the best uniforms ever!

        Now the Sabres just have to get rid of the apron strings and front numbers (and switch back to royal blue) and all will be right in Buffalo.

        • Phil Hecken | November 25, 2011 at 10:59 am |

          “I’m told that the mismatched waist striping vs. sleeve striping was a mistake by the manufacturer”

          ~~~

          yeah, i’ve heard that too…not sure if it’s urban legend, fact or just one of those, “meh, no one’s gonna notice that little screwup” type-things…

          all i know is, it COULD have been corrected and later on, it was

          just one of those quirky things that we love about uniform watching

        • Mike Engle | November 25, 2011 at 11:55 am |

          We heard that from Terry Proctor. He was working in Upstate NY at that time. It was (technically) a mistake, but the Sabres decided it looked fine anyway and went with it.

        • Rob S | November 25, 2011 at 5:49 pm |

          In my opinion, they “corrected” it the wrong way; they should’ve gone gold-blue-gold instead of blue-gold-blue (white spacing and silver trim notwithstanding).

    • BrianC | November 25, 2011 at 10:33 am |

      The original versions had three sets of stripes, a la Toronto:

      http://www.buffalosp...

      • Jet | November 25, 2011 at 2:13 pm |

        Yeah, this is the version I was hoping would be referred to although that last link in Phil’s post does show Larry Carriere in the road threads with the three-set version. THAT was some serious stripe-age.

        -Jet

  • dgm | November 25, 2011 at 10:20 am |

    the question is, paul, which team does your brother now support?

  • BrianC | November 25, 2011 at 10:35 am |

    The Islanders, not content to go back to their classic look (after the Gorton’s Fisherman and the Reebok harlequin costumes) have to have at least one “gag a maggot” uniform…

    • inkracer | November 25, 2011 at 11:22 am |

      The Islanders 3rd sweaters look anything but good buy themselves, but they look that much worse when paired with a good, clean sweater like that of the Flyers.

      • Jet | November 25, 2011 at 2:15 pm |

        I thought the sweaters looked puke-inducing on their own, but coupled with the pants and that offsetting triangle that the sweater and pants form… ye gods, this is an abomination of epic proportions. I’ll take fish sticks over this buffoonery any day…

        -Jet

  • =bg= | November 25, 2011 at 10:42 am |

    Those Theismann shoes look self-colored to me.

    • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 10:47 am |

      Was a year (possibly two) when all the ‘Skins wore either burgundy or white shoes. Maker-marks on the burgundy shoes were cheddar. Late in the gold pants era.

      Manufacturers were different, too. I remember Adidas, Puma and Riddell being worn be different players. But I don’t know if they were special order or the equipment guys colored them.

  • Keith | November 25, 2011 at 10:46 am |

    Wow, that old Cooper hockey catalog… my first helmet was an SK120!

  • Tim E. O'B | November 25, 2011 at 10:57 am |

    Happy Evacuation Day, errybody.

  • LarryB | November 25, 2011 at 12:40 pm |

    Those baseball die-cut figurines are sweet.

    Why on earth would UCLA wear all whites screwing up a great color on color game?

    • Geeman | November 25, 2011 at 12:43 pm |

      Why on earth would they great rid of one of the best helmets and uniforms in college football? Stupidity written all over it.

      • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 1:28 pm |

        Stupidity and gimmickry.

      • Geeman | November 25, 2011 at 1:44 pm |

        Should have been “get rid of.” Sorry for the error.

    • Komet17 | November 25, 2011 at 4:46 pm |

      The beginning of WFWS? (White for White’s Sake.)

  • Wheels | November 25, 2011 at 12:50 pm |

    The Wilt the Stilt label on that 45 is awesome. The legs even have kneepads.

  • Wayne | November 25, 2011 at 1:45 pm |

    Minot, ND! My hometown! The photo looks like they’re in downtown.

  • Rob H. | November 25, 2011 at 1:56 pm |

    Haven’t catchers been wearing helmets almost as long as batters? I am watching highlights of 1983 World Series on MLB network right now and it looks like Rick Dempsey didn’t wear a helmet under his catcher’s mask. (The Phillies’ catcher is wearing one, however.)

    • Mike Engle | November 25, 2011 at 2:01 pm |

      Nope, because they were originally BATTING helmets. Johnny Bench is considered the first hard hat-wearing catcher, and Rick Dempsey was indeed the last one to insist on his normal field cap. (It’s against the rule nowadays, as Dempsey was the last one in the grandfather clause to retire. Making him the Craig McTavish of fielding catchers.)

      • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 2:36 pm |

        Yeah, it was maybe twenty years (or more?) after batting helmets were first introduced that catchers began wearing hardhats.

  • Mike Engle | November 25, 2011 at 2:13 pm |

    Re: Indians’ changes. I miss the headspoon, but definitely a net upgrade for simplifying the script. But what on earth do we call that neck-only piping? And how fashionable has that been of late? I remember it was a new thing with San Francisco, but lately Washington has adopted it, and also Pittsburgh and now Cleveland…lots of monkey-see-monkey-do.

    • Wheels | November 25, 2011 at 2:35 pm |

      Could call it Ring Around the Collar.

      • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 2:46 pm |

        Yeah, that’s a bit new.

        With Giants it was tri-color striping.

        Piping, when describing baseball unis, has meant a single narrow braid on the edge of the placket (not gonna repeat everything I said in a comment above).

        • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 2:54 pm |

          Pretty sure that, strictly speaking, piping is sewn into the seam, between two sections of the garment.

          Striping is sewn onto the garment.

  • Jet | November 25, 2011 at 2:16 pm |

    Paging Mr. Marshall – we now need Globetrotters stirrups and Oswego hockey stirrups. Get to it.

    -Jet

    • Phil Hecken | November 25, 2011 at 3:03 pm |

      well, when you ask so nicely like that, i’m sure he’ll get right on it

    • LarryB | November 25, 2011 at 3:05 pm |

      Phil is Robert’s Ohio State Michigan column still on for tomorrow? Unless you want to keep it quiet.

      • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 3:20 pm |

        The “50 Years Ago This Weekend” is Ohio State at Michigan.
        That much I know for sure.

        • LarryB | November 25, 2011 at 3:25 pm |

          I saw the Texas A&M Texas from yesterday. Those are so cool as I have said many times. To think you saved those and even did them in 1961.

        • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 3:50 pm |

          Thanks.
          Just meant it looks like a lot of OSU-Michigan material tomorrow.

        • Phil Hecken | November 25, 2011 at 5:09 pm |

          larry…

          yes (i hope)…he’s only had 2 months to prepare for this but i haven’t rec’d anything yet…but that’s the plan

          50 years ago is all set

          and last night’s horns/aggies game is, unless pride takes a backseat, then END of the third longest running rivalry game in college football, seein’ as how the aggies are moving to the SEC

          very depressing knowing that won’t be a t-giving day staple anymore

      • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 5:53 pm |

        Hey, Larry B…nice shot of the uni to which the Steelers throw back…vs. Giants (in what they pretty much wear now) at the Yale Bowl…
        http://www.fanbase.c...

        • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 5:54 pm |

          Well, I think that’s the Yale Bowl, anyway.

        • Phil Hecken | November 25, 2011 at 6:12 pm |

          giants only played in the yale bowl during 1973-74…and im guessing that’s NOT the year that picture is from

          also, even in warm weather, didn’t the giants wear blue at “home”? besides forbes field & 3 rivers (and now the ketchup bottle), where else did the stillers play?

          didn’t they play a bunch of games in pitt stadium? is that possible where that is?

        • Phil Hecken | November 25, 2011 at 6:46 pm |

          here’s another photo from that same game (im guessing)…and that’s sam huff, who played for the g-men from 56-63…layne played for the stillers from 58-62…so it’s sometime in that timeframe…and the g-men played their home games in yankee stadium during those years

          stillers played in forbes field until 63, and in pitt stadium until 69, but split forbes and pitt from 58-63…

          so i gotta guess that’s pitt stadium

          agree? disagree?

        • BurghFan | November 25, 2011 at 7:14 pm |

          That could well be Pitt Stadium, which was the Steelers’ primary home in the 1960s.

        • BurghFan | November 25, 2011 at 7:24 pm |

          (My comment was written before I saw Phil’s.)

        • Phil Hecken | November 25, 2011 at 7:26 pm |

          sure it was, jerry, sure it was ;)

          thanks for the nice words yesterday, btw…hope your turkey day was a good one

        • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 7:51 pm |

          Didn’t Giants used to play at least one preseason game at the Yale Bowl every year?

          That why I thought perhaps it was.

          And I wasn’t sure when the Steelers played where.

        • timmy b | November 25, 2011 at 8:11 pm |

          That is 100% Pitt Stadium. Thinking either from 1960 or 1961.

        • LarryB | November 25, 2011 at 8:39 pm |

          That is a nice one. I liked those Steeler unis. I still have that Steeler helmet with no logo on from a Christmas present when I was a kid. My dad loved the Steelers. I liked them as a kid because of my dad.
          Not anymore.

        • Jim Vilk | November 25, 2011 at 10:37 pm |

          That’s 1000% Pitt Stadium. The Life archives had that photo, and if you see it enlarged, the scoreboard has a golden “Pitt” and a generic “NY.”

          Plus, note the high wall. I believe the Yale Bowl has concrete steps every few sections coming all the way down to field level. Just a smooth wall in that photo.

          Also, note the buildings. Now note the buildings in this photo.
          http://football.ball...

        • Jim Vilk | November 26, 2011 at 12:09 am |
  • nobody | November 25, 2011 at 3:30 pm |

    Why are Arkansas coaches wearing an 88 ribbon?

    • Silver Creek Doug | November 25, 2011 at 4:05 pm |

      In honor of Garrett Uekman, a redshirt freshman TE who died on Sunday. Coroner found a previously undiscovered heart condition.

      On of his teammates, a fellow TE, is wearing his number 88 with NNOB as a tribute.

      • Phil Hecken | November 25, 2011 at 5:11 pm |

        be kinda freaky if he wore uekman’s NOB

  • James Craven | November 25, 2011 at 4:08 pm |

    Illinois hoopsters just won Cancun Classic, and many of them were “de-swooshed” on the jerseys.

  • Mike Engle | November 25, 2011 at 5:24 pm |

    NHL.com today, picture of Bruins/Wings. Did not know that Ian White is currently sporting the rare half-shield AND jaw piece on his helmet.

  • Kyle Allebach | November 25, 2011 at 5:27 pm |

    If the socks need to be half-white half color, why doesn’t the NFL mandate that players have to wear a one-piece sock that is half-white half-color.

    And then sell the contract to make the socks to one company so the NFL can make bank off of this “revolutionary” idea. /sarcasm

    • Phil Hecken | November 25, 2011 at 5:49 pm |

      the anachronistic low-whites really need to be jettisoned…i’ll say this for the college game, they at least get this right

      seriously, if teams are going to dress in monochrome, shouldn’t the socks NOT have to be white? looks especially bad when teams wear black shoes

    • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 5:58 pm |

      Team issue NFL socks ARE one piece with white at the bottom.
      Have been for decades.

    • Wheels | November 25, 2011 at 6:42 pm |

      A standard needs to be enforced, whatever that standard is. The jumbles array of sock stylings in the pros is a mess.

      • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 7:09 pm |

        As long as the players are willing to pay the fines, it will continue. The fines go to charity, so they are tax deductions for the individual players.

        And frankly, there is only a number so high the league can attempt to enforce.

        What they gonna do, make every uni violation a $50,000 fine?
        Or disqualify a player from the game, costing him a game check?
        Pretty sure they’d hear from the Players Association on either of those.

        Never bothered me. I liked being able to recognize, say, Cliff Branch immediately because he was the Raider WR in white kneehighs and white shoes.

        It’s all what we’re used to, I guess.

        • Phil Hecken | November 25, 2011 at 7:17 pm |

          “I liked being able to recognize, say, Cliff Branch immediately because he was the Raider WR in white kneehighs and white shoes.”

          ~~~

          might have been easier, although probably a bit too obvious, if he’d just held up a sign that said “LOOK AT ME”

          that’s part of the problem with “team” sports — there are ‘stars’ who (probably rightfully so) scream out for attention…and obviously, in football, there are going to be skill players who are arguably more important than position players…

          but it takes 11 men on each side of the ball to function as a team … montana to rice never happens if joe spends the entire game on his ass because of the o-line not keeping the defense away…

          so…as much as it may be fun/convenient/unique/kinda cool/whatever to have individuals styling on the field, to my mind (and eye), this is showboating

          dress like everyone else on your team, not as you please

        • Wheels | November 25, 2011 at 7:56 pm |

          Ricko, if it’s ok to call you by name as you are an important fixture here and I enjoy and respect your fine contributions to the site, I seem to remember a scant 10-15 years ago that the NFL more stringently upheld uniform standards, particularly with regard to socks. However, that still allowed players who wished to express their individuality to do so within the constraints of uniform standards, if intelligently done with creative subtlety. Deion Sanders was the perfect example of this.

        • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 8:03 pm |

          Ah, you don’t remember the era.
          Such things were left up to players on most teams, and a few teams (Vikings, for one) held to uniformity.

          Until the Dolphins went to all white, Kiick wore white shoes, Csonka usually wore black. Warfield white, Griese black. Look at photos of the Duane Thomas and Garo Super Bowls, for example

          Raiders? Biletnikoff black with white tape over instep. Stabler black. Casper black. Hubbard and Van Eeghen black with ankles wrapped in white. Branch wore white shoes, as did Davis, Atkinson and Tatum. Raymond Chester wore silver adidas for at least one game, as I recall.

          Maynard and Namath wore white. Vernon Studdard wore kelly green.

          Giants? Spider Lockhart in white. Pete Athas and Ron Johnson royal blue. Most of other Giants in black.

          Wasn’t seen as look at me. Was a different era. Was just “personal expression” or “let the player decided.” It was, however, that era that ushered in the NFL’s quasi-military attitude toward such things…and brought us uni-cops.

          Unless, of course, it’s a league-wide promotion. Y’know, with pink or something that looks really good on every team.

        • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 8:12 pm |

          Wheels, you’re absolutely right.

          But 10-15 years ago a $5,000 or $10,000 fine meant more to players cuz they didn’t make as much money.

          Now they drop that in one night in a strip club.

          I remember reading, about five years ago, that the Vikings has signed a free agent DB, with a $2 million signing bonus. They said he had a chance to “contend for a starting job.” Two million bucks up front for someone who MIGHT be good enough to start?

          As I said, for someone who wants to wear his socks high and has that kind of money, he’s gonna see a five-grand fine that as chump change…and as a measure of how much money he has that he can not be bothered by it.

          “Five-grand? Ah, who cares, I got a lot of money.”

          I find THAT kind of “look at me” considerably more annoying than high white socks.

        • Andy | November 25, 2011 at 8:31 pm |

          I’d rather see a crazy array of shoes than a crazy array of socks. Soccer has total uniformity with regard to socks, and total un-uniformity with regard to shoes, and I think I prefer the soccer approach.

        • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 8:48 pm |

          Please understand, not advocating anything.

          Just saying is nothing I haven’t seen before.
          For a least a decade, maybe two.

        • Wheels | November 25, 2011 at 9:09 pm |

          I get you, but I just want to say this. Yes, the attitude of “Twenty-grand? Please… I wipe my ass with that kind of money” is supremely irksome. Thus, much like imposing economic sanctions on some tyrannical foreign regime, I believe that fining the modern athlete for uniform infractions has become ineffectual and largely symbolic.

          But in my opinion I wish something could be done because the status quo does not look pleasing to my eye. In the high-white socks case, I see a clear difference between the guys who did it, in say the 70′s and 80′s, and the guys who did it last night.

          The main difference is that the guys doing it back in the day looked GOOD. They wore those high whites with style, reflecting a swinging attitude of the era. They also appear to simply just be wearing long socks jacked up pretty darn high… but not ridiculously over the knee connected to biker shorts.

          Players right now have all kinds of garbage sewn directly into the pants, or floating independently over the calf… a Byzantine collection of tape, socks, wraps, spandex, and who knows what else. To me it looks like crap. But hey, different strokes for different folks.

          I certainly don’t have the answer on how to enforce uniform standards in today’s NFL in light of certain realities. I just wish something could be done because it looks really bad out there.

        • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 10:03 pm |

          No argument here.

  • Simply Moono | November 25, 2011 at 7:24 pm |

    A waist-shot teaser for tomorrow’s Trojan Condoms v. Boston Bruins game.

    • Rob S | November 25, 2011 at 9:27 pm |

      More like a waste-shot teaser. Big freakin’ deal.

      Now, if Adidas can somehow get proper UCLA stripes on the Bruins’ unis, then and only then will I be truly impressed. As it stands, though, I seriously, seriously doubt that’ll happen.

      • The Jeff | November 25, 2011 at 10:42 pm |

        Even if Adidas is capable of that, which I’m really doubting… UCLA in all-white is going to look stupid as hell.

        The “Stormtrooper uniform” trend is just as bad as the BFBS trend.

        • Phil Hecken | November 25, 2011 at 11:48 pm |

          how was work today?

        • The Jeff | November 26, 2011 at 12:10 am |

          Not that bad, actually.

          The whole black friday sale thing was a disorganized mess…. but I didn’t have to deal with most of it.

          The place I’m at doesn’t really get the rampaging stampedes, trampling deaths and customers using pepper spray that put Wal-mart in the news every year. It’s busy and a bit chaotic, but it’s not that insane.

          /The reason I haven’t been posting as much lately is Skyrim, not work. It’s nice to know you care though. ;)

        • Phil Hecken | November 26, 2011 at 12:26 am |

          skyrim?

          is that the thing from those terminator movies?

        • The Jeff | November 26, 2011 at 12:43 am |

          No, it’s got nothing to do with Terminators (and the 3rd & 4th movies should have never been made anyway). It’s kinda like World of Warcraft, only single player and better.

          Besides, you should be happy that I’m occupied with killing video game dragons instead of arguing about yellow & gold or complaining about gray facemasks.

          /and did you get the files I sent a couple weeks ago?

        • Phil Hecken | November 26, 2011 at 12:47 am |

          yeah

          i got a lotta things in the queue

          that’s one of several

          /what the hell is world of warcraft?

  • Tim H | November 25, 2011 at 10:34 pm |

    OK, I may be a bit late to the party on this one. Earl Bennett gets hit with a fine twice and told he’ll get pulled from the game the next time he sports his all orange shoes but, Brandon Marshall can sport these…http://scores.espn.g...…and no mention of even a warning. What’s up with that?

    • 5haun | November 25, 2011 at 11:58 pm |

      Also, Marshawn Lynch has been wearing these snot green cleats:
      http://www.google.co...

  • Andrew Seagraves | November 25, 2011 at 10:42 pm |

    Paul;

    Watching you right now on the top 10 football uniforms on NFL Network – it’s fun to see everyone talk about unis on the network. Good stuff! Enjoying to info you’re adding to the show.

    • Andrew Seagraves | November 25, 2011 at 10:44 pm |

      “Enjoying THE info you’re adding…”

      -3 points on the spelling error to me!

    • Wheels | November 25, 2011 at 10:57 pm |

      Ha I’ve never seen this before… there’s Paul Lukas!

  • Joe | November 25, 2011 at 11:20 pm |

    I wonder if the new Indians uniforms will lead to a consistent ‘s’ on the script. Before this change, the embroidered script ‘s’ had a loop inside it, but the printed version did not.

    Either way, changes are an A. Switching to red piping, belt, and under sleeves would have made this uni an A+, and I think its time to say goodbye to the navy top; dark blue MLB tops are becoming cliché.

  • Ricko | November 25, 2011 at 11:38 pm |

    Well, I guess this establishes Notre Dame has this kelly jersey with shoulder loops by 1961.
    http://www.bluegrays...

    Wonder when and if they wore it. I had the impression that until from ’60 through ’62, the home shoulder looped jersey worn was the navy one with the gold-white stripes…
    http://www.krakov.ne...

  • KB | November 26, 2011 at 2:47 am |

    The “I” on the Cleveland jerseys looks a little bit like a lowercase “g.”

  • Phil Hecken | November 26, 2011 at 3:31 am |

    just for the record (and for the record–latest post ever posted for the am)…

    robert just turned in a masterpiece…