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There’s No Service Like Wire Service, Vol. 16

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Back with another round of sensational wire service photos. Almost all of these were submitted by Mike Hersh. Dig:

• So many noteworthy little details in this 1940 photo of George Susce: the logo-free cap (the Browns wore that style from 1940-46), all those seams on the jacket (including what appears to be a pair of patch pockets!), the uni number on the left sleeve, the zipper-front jersey with the bottom of the placket piping just barely tucked into the pants, the off-center belt buckle, the colored belt loop, the little white lines at all the points where the letters on the felt logo intersect — a gold mine of uni watching in one photo!

• I always think it’s weird when a minor league team wears the logo of its MLB parent club. Like, the Salt Lake City Bees were a Cubs farm team back in the mid-’60s, but shouldn’t they have had their own sleeve patch instead of a Cubbie patch? Yes, I realize it’s probably a repurposed Cubs jersey, but still — they swapped out the lettering, so couldn’t they have swapped out the patch too?

• I’ve seen lots of photos of U.S. military baseball teams, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Canadian Army or Canadian Air Force squad before. Both of those shots are from the 1940s.

• Love the stencil-lettered equipment bag in this short of Hoyt Wilhelm. Also kinda funny to see him wearing dress slacks with a standard fungo undershirt.

• I never get tired of photos of footballs being stitched up.

• Vaguely related: According to the caption in this shot, a lot of Wilson footballs sold at retail in 1985 were actually Super Bowl rejects.

• Man, they don’t make groundskeepers with names like “Cornbread” anymore.

• The Tigers’ history of mismatched “D” logos dates back at least to 1927.

• Interesting helmet display from the buildup to Super Bowl XVI. What logo is that on the real helmet in the foregound — the Silverdome logo?

• Apparently Northwestern was using sensor-equipped football helmets to help research head injuries back in 1972.

• Baseball and jai alai, two great tastes that taste great together.

• Did you know there was a semi-pro female hockey player, playing in a men’s league, back in 1969? Lefty, too. I’m assuming she wore a mask in the games.

• Hey, Joe Skiba, bring back these awesome Giants practice shirts! Photo’s from 1946.

• Kinda surprised the Reds were using drop-shoulder undershirts — very unusual style for that period. Love the striped stirrups too, but you already knew that.

• Here’s an idea that I assume never caught on: cleats on a rotating platform set into the sole.

• Look at the center button on Satch’s jersey — those look like the knobby/nubby buttons you sometimes see on corduroy blazers and such. Never seen anything like that on a baseball jersey. No such issues for Diz, since he’s wearing a zipper-front.

• I bet reader Doug Keklak, who hails from Johnstown, Pa., will be interested in this photo from the 1987 NFL strike. Lots of additional pics from that strike, all quite interesting, here, here, here, here, and here.

•  Last but not least, my obsession with early earflaps continues with this shot. It’s not clear if this helmet was ever worn in a regular season game (I’m betting not). Looks so Little League, no? Also, so weird to see Don Newcombe in a Reds uni! Also-also, looks like Newk’s “C” logo was getting pretty dang tattered. (Thanks to Bruce Menard for finding this one.)

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Collector’s Corner, by Brinke Guthrie

I’ve been expanding my search criteria in eBay, peering into different categories, so you’ll occasionally see older items here. Like Forrest once said, “You never know what you’re gonna get.”

• Mark McCracken sent in this Tampa Bay Rowdies T-shirt.

• I never knew this old Cowboys mascot character was called “Cowboy Joe.”

• Pick any two NFL Gatorade bottle caps, right here.

• Terrific 1970s Chicago Fire logo patch from the WFL. Let’s not forget the Portland Storm, either.

• Can’t say I’ve seen this Washington Senators logo before.

• Here’s a great Indy Racers WHA pennant. They shared Market Square Arena with the Pacers (a Mets/Jets naming thing).

• What is it about Cleveland teams putting the team name first and the city name second? Same thing with this WHA team.

• Not sure what this is, but it’s old and it’s Mets, and so PL will want it.

Seen something on eBay that you think would make good Collector’s Corner fodder? Send your submissions here.

And speaking of eBay-ish collectibles: Reader Paul “Tall Paul” Deaver has three sets of sports pencils that he plans to sell on eBay, but he wanted to offer them first to the Uni Watch community. The three sets are:

• MLB pencils from 1993, all the NL teams and 12 of the 14 AL teams (Yanks and Brewers missing). $20 + $2 shipping.

• NFL pencils from late 1980s or early ’90s, all NFC teams except the Cowboys (also note the damaged Redskins pencil and that there’s an extra Eagles pencil that has been sharpened and also has someone’s initials on it at the top) and all AFC teams except the Chiefs. $20 + $2 shipping.

• AFC pencils from the late 1980s or early ’90s (different design than the ones shown above), all teams except Dolphins, Bengals, Chiefs, and Seahawks. $10 + $2 shipping.

If you’re interested in acquiring these, or if you have further questions, feel free to contact Paul directly.

Uni Watch News Ticker: I like green and I like stripes, but Sunday’s friendly match between Celtic FC and the Seattle Sounders might have been a bit much, even for me (with thanks to Alex Washburn). ”¦ Michael Meihls found a 2009 photo of Browns kicker Phil Dawson wearing Phiten-branded socks in practice. First time I’ve seen an NFL player wearing them. ”¦ As many readers have noted, several Rays are still wearing the striped stirrups, but with navy sannies instead of white, creating a solid-stocking effect. ”¦ Nice gallery of Tour de France footwear here. “I like Bradley Wiggins’s British flag design,” says Sean Clancy. “Too bad there aren’t any black shoes. You don’t see those among the pros so much nowadays.” ”¦ Here’s a really interesting article about a pioneering new factory that’s making NCAA-licensed apparel in the Dominican Republic under a non-sweatshop policy. ”¦ Major furry-fetish implications now that a new line of college mascotwear is launching. Further info here, and a web site-in-progress here. ”¦ “TCU is going to the Nike Pro Combat template from last season, but with the frog skin replaced with black,” reports Jeff Gdula. Here’s the solid-white road version. ”¦ Some tremendous neon signage featured halfway down this page (thanks, Kirsten). ”¦ Aaron Stilley has conducted an excellent interview with the guy who’s created most of the Royals’ KC Monarchs throwbacks over the years. ”¦ Brinke sent along a great list of athlete-owned restaurants that have closed. ”¦ Have the Heat always styled their team name as all-caps, or is that I just never visited their web site before? (As noted by Chris Plasencia.) ”¦ My latest great hosiery hope: Domonic Brown, a prospect in the Phillies system (with thanks to Ross Yoshida). ”¦ Here’s a funny one: Texas Tech appears to have poached a Nebraska crowd photo in an artist’s rendering of their stadium expansion (with thanks to Chris Haar). ”¦ I asked Joe Skiba if the Giants would be wearing a memorial patch for Bob Sheppard. His response: “That’s a very interesting question.” He wouldn’t say more, but I suspect something is in the works. ”¦ Kyle Mann was watching last night’s Nats/Reds game and noticed that Joel Peralta kept tugging on his right sleeve so that it bunched up at the shoulder. If he likes a shorter sleeve on his pitching arm, he should get his jersey tailored that way, à la former pitcher/bigot Todd Jones. … There’s a new book with an interesting concept: aerial photos of Brazilian soccer fields (thanks, Kirsten). ”¦ The Eau Claire Express — a summer league team in Wisconsin — wore beautiful 1952 Eau Claire Bears throwbacks last Saturday. “That was the first professional team Henry Aaron played for,” notes Lukas Hoffland. ”¦ Very tasty Loyola Marymount baseball jersey available here. ”¦ Check out this crazy helmet that’s gonna be worn by Jimmie Johnson for this weekend’s Brickyard 400. “It goes over the early history of the track,” explains Jory Fleischauer. ”¦ Black-vs.-black games in the minors: Lake Elsinore Storm and Modesto Nuts last Saturday, and Fresno Grizzlies vs. Salt Lake Bees last night (with thanks to Nick Britton and Aaron Wiens, respectively). … A Getty Images photographer has been sacked after he was caught Photoshopping an image of golfer Matt Bettencourt. Further info here.

FWHA! Update: New post over at my other site.

 
  
 
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    re: the rotating cleats – there was a brand i remember seeing in the 80’s, the name escapes me, that had a regular hard-plastic sole and cleats on the heel but in front had a sort of plastic spike in a circle that was meant to be for a pivot.

    The brand was “Swivler.” The horseshoe-shaped rear cleats were made that way to prevent the heel from locking into the turf. We sold quite a few pair of Swivler shoes to Rochester-area high schools in the 1970s. But the big drawback to the concept was that mud and other debris got under the round cleat wheel and prevented its smooth operation. If enough mud got under that wheel a lot of them broke off. In theory it was a good idea but the technology didn’t allow it to be foolproof.

    I was going to ask about those. I still remember the ad in Football Digest from 1988, ’89, or ’90 that had a photo from an NFL game, with a little zoomed-in inset to show that the player was wearing the cleats.

    I also remember that magazine because, even though it just reprinted newspaper stories from around the country, they printed the letter to the editor my 10-year-old self wrote to them to correct an article that mis-stated Roger Craig’s statistics.

    Tanel was a cleat brand of the late 80’s-early 90’s that used the circular cleats in the front. No ratation, though.

    There were a range of soccer boots with the rotating panel in the UK back in the late 70s/early 80s. They didn’t take off, due to them causing numerous ankle/knee injuries…

    asked it yesterday, but late, figured I’d give it a go again:

    what’s the site that sells footballs that are made and look/feel the same as vintage footballs…I believe they sell vintage looking baseballs as well.

    Paul,

    I can confirm the new TCU uniforms. The company I work for has been working on TCU’s football campaign this year, including a commercial shoot. During the shoot, the Horned Frogs wore the home unis posted here. In addition to switching to black pants, they’ve gone back to their standard purple helmet instead of the frog-skin patterned one from last season.

    Not positive publicly leaking information that’s not been released by TCU yet is a great idea.

    Better get on Eastbay too, since they already have a replica for sale. If TCU were gonna announce it, they would have by now. Besides, it’s not like the uniforms are “new.”

    I know not many people will agree with me, but I LOVED the TCU Pro Combat helmet and am incredibly disappointed that they will not adopt it full-time. I’m fine with the removal of the scale pattern on the pants, but that helmet was a thing of beauty.

    Here is an article examining the best and worst of the Premier League jerseys for the coming season: link
    I like the white Tottenham the best.

    Agreed on Spurs home, clearly the best of the bunch this season. I can’t stand Chelsea, but their away shirt isn’t that terrible (certainly not the worst).And the pink Everton shirt isn’t bold (many sports teams have used pink, charitable or not, in the past few years) it’s just poorly done. The blue banner across the top and pink crest/logo just doesn’t work.

    Better pink shirts/jerseys…

    Middlesex Cricket Club
    link (with sweater vests!)

    Palermo (1970’s)
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    Those pinks are much better looking than the Everton shirt. Do you know of any other pink jerseys or uniforms?

    Cool collection of NASL jerseys here: link

    There are also links to MISL, ABA, WFL, NFL, and MLB collections at the top of the page.

    A real whirlwind of emotions in today’s Ticker.

    I got so excited when I read “TCU is going to the Nike Pro Combat template from last season”, only to have that excitement shattered when the sentence continued with ” but with the frog skin replaced with black,”. I loved their Pro Combat set. At LEAST bring back the frogskin helmet with the blood stripes…

    However, my spirits were lifted somewhat by this:

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    Being the race fan that I am, how can you create a helmet montage to the early history of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, and leave out the Marmon Wasp, the car driven to the 1st Indianapolis 500 victory?

    Color- link

    In Action- link

    The Pacers and Racers did rhyme, but you have to admit, there’s good reason to call an Indianapolis team “Racers,” given Indy’s history with auto racing. The rhyme was probably what sealed the deal, but it wasn’t out of the blue.

    At least “Racers” makes sense. What is a “Pacer” anyway (other than <a href="link)? Good thing they didn’t have more teams named this way or else we may have had the “Bracers,” “Facers,” “Lacers,” “Macers,” or “Tracers.”

    Dammit, how the hell do you add a link with this new format? Here’s the link I failed miserably at adding thereby ruining the “joke:”

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    Pacers were named after a combination of the state’s history with the harness racing pacers and the pace car used for the running of the Indianapolis 500. Still not a great nickname, but I always loved the and and ball logo they used pre 1991.

    Yes, that was a really good logo.

    If you read “Loose Balls” by Terry Pluto, someone (Mike Storen, probably) is quoted as saying there was a harness racing homage and a pace car homage and also that they wanted the team to “set the pace” in professional basketball.

    Given the names that have come after “Pacers” in the NBA, you have to admit, at least it’s neither cheesy nor derivative.

    Paul- Did you also note that the gorgeous Browns jacket emblem was actually wool chenille (like a varsity letter) and that the sleeves appear to be suede leather? And it looks like the body of the jacket is made from knitted wool like a cardigan sweater. I enlarged the photo to 200% and you can clearly see the ribbing of a knitted fabric. Regular wool melton cloth that was used for jackets was woven with no ribbing present.
    Any way you look at it this is one classic jacket and deserves to be in the Uniwatch Hall of Fame.

    “Any way you look at it this is one classic jacket and deserves to be in the Uniwatch Hall of Fame.”

    Now there’s an idea for ya, Paul… a UW HOF. Images of exceptional articles of official clothing from throughout sports history. The textures. The colors. The stripes, my God, the STRIPES!!

    It is a beautiful jacket.

    Mitchell and Ness link, but presuming that this particular jacket is what they were trying to replicate, it’s missing some of the key details.

    Doesn’t have the shoulder inserts, the pockets are all wrong, and the monogram doesn’t have the white lines were the letters overlap (the best part).

    In addition, note the diferences between the two StL emblems.

    It’s hard for me to correlate the huge price with the inaccurate “reproduction” shown so well here.

    How many minor league teams today still wear a patch for their major league affiliate, even when their uniforms are distinct and not repurposed? I don’t really have a problem with it, since it gives fans an understanding they are seeing players in a specific farm system.

    I recently went to a Salt Lake Bees-Las Vegas 51’s double header. I noticed that the Bees wear an Angels logo on their right sleeve. The 51’s (a Blue Jays affiliate) wear no such designation.

    The Durham Bulls wear the manta ray sleeve patch that the big league Rays wear, or at least they did last season.

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    “I like green and I like stripes, but Sunday’s friendly match between Celtic FC and the Seattle Sounders might have been a bit much”

    The Sounders weren’t wearing green, they were wearing “electricity”!

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    For such a popular team, they have the WORST colors and branding. Every time they step on the field I’m reminded of the Jetsons.

    Good thing that Celtic didn’t wear their change strip…

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    While I don’t like the “electricity” kit, I love their regular colors. You see them and you instantly know what team it is.

    And at least ‘electricity’ pairs nicely with the green. We could be looking at neon pink or neon orange here and really barfing. I like the neon yellow, if not only because it’s unique, even though it can be a little tough on the eyes for some. The Sounders branding is great, though. I don’t know where that comment comes from. Solid logo, good ad campaigns, and look what they have to show for it: a good following and one of the MLS’s better fanbases! Imagine that.

    Don’t get me wrong, they’ve done a wonderful job introducing and then selling that team to Seattle. Real success story. My question is, will that color scheme stand the test of time? I think in ten years we could be looking back at that sea foam green like we did copper, teal, black and purple from the 90s.

    And I and have to stand by my opinion that this is an awful, awful home soccer kit…

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    Part of that is the fault of adidas, who have made terrible stuff lately. Though they did make this green shirt, which is much nicer than Seattle’s…

    Plymouth Argyle
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    I’d tend to agree – anything called “rave green” is bound to date quickly. Not to worry, they’ll settle on a better color scheme eventually.

    Logo-creepy: This morning’s AM New York photoshopped a bunch of corporate sponsors onto link… Doesn’t seem right considering the Yanks are sporting multiple memorial patches right now…

    A Nike logo on a Yankees jersey? I bet George would be …

    … never mind. Too soon …

    Really poor taste, IMO, especially since one or two of those photoshopped logos are in the location of The Boss’ memorial patch.

    From Collector’s Corner: “What is it about Cleveland teams putting the team name first and the city name second? Same thing with this WHA team.”

    My guess is either a.) Happenstance, or b.) It was the 70s and rumors were flying about team relocation. Perhaps it was to place more emphasis on the team than the city affiliation. The Crusaders moved to Minnesota and the Indians were, on more than one occasion, rumored to be headed to Florida.

    Been discussed here before.

    All three teams were owned by Nick Mileti at the time, so it’s entirely logical (especially considering the other similarities in the design styles) that they were put together by the same artist or design studio.

    —Ricko

    Wow! The memories of the Strike of ’87! That’s an awesome photo, but I find it a little funny because even though Johnstown has the rich steel/coal tradition and is very pro-union to this day, I really don’t remember there being that big of an uproar when the scabs came to town to practice. I think a lot of people, including my father a teacher and former steelworker before then and as pro-union as they came, didn’t necessarily consider the NFL player a “laborer”.

    In fact, I remember having a t-shirt that said “Johnstown Steelers, Strike of ’87” so not only was there general apathy about the union spat and scab issue, but we were relishing in the fact that the team was using our hometown as an outpost. I mean, we patronized people that were making money off of a labor dispute with crappy t-shirts!

    I came across this in the SI Vault that suggests the team moved operations east thinking the players wouldn’t drive 70 miles to picket: link although that had something to do with it, they were probably just looking for a facility to practice in a closed off area.

    That’s what they found in the Point Stadium. I can clearly remember my junior high bus driving past the stadium while they were practice. I recall a bunch of us booing, not necessarily at the union issue (which we were too young to grasp) but at the fact that the team was really going through a bad period.

    Great photo!

    Sorry to nitpick, but before playing Class C ball for Braves in 52, Aaron had played professionally for both Mobile Black Bears and Indianapolis Clowns.

    True enough. I think he meant “first Organized Baseball team.”

    Love those throwbacks. Think the Express missed a real opportunity when they decided not to brand themselves along those lines, playing up the connection to the best ballplayer their city ever saw.

    Yep, that’s what I meant to say (this is Lukas Hoffland, the guy who submitted the Bears’ pic) — first Minor League team on the way to the majors. I suppose a quick ‘Net perusal would’ve given me the correct info!

    And yeah, I’ve always wondered why the Express went with, well, the “Express” and not the Bears. We do still have an Eau Claire Bears team in town (an amateur club that plays local teams), but I can’t imagine that would’ve been a barrier to brining back the name & unis. Maybe because the “EC” logo on the hats (the one also one the front of Carson Park) is owned by someone else? Or, as I suspect, maybe because they wanted an entirely new image for baseball in Eau Claire, nothing old-fashioned (or confusing for younger folks who only knew the Bears as that aforementioned amateur team)? The Express have proven quite popular, which is a major accomplishment in and of itself for organized sports in Eau Claire, but I do agree that going with the Bears (and their unis) would’ve been the ideal.

    I love the pics of the Giants practice jerseys and Satchel paige….color anyone?

    Regarding the new factory in Dominican Republic….great idea and a nice story. Let’s see how long it can stay in business.

    go for it (and send it to paul — i’ll do the same) — i can’t do it until tonight anyway;

    So since it has been proven on this site, that we sometimes confuse Blue and Red in old black n white pics…. was that Giants practice Jersey blue or red….you would automatically think its blue….but maybe not?

    That “Tampa Bay Rowdies” T-shirt on Collectors Corner is as fake as they come.

    Definitely a knockoff.

    Oddly enough, the “Rowdies” name and logo is still tied up in litigation, I believe. I actually got a t-shirt from what was Section219.com (don’t know what it is now) before they announced the name was coming back in the 2nd division, it’s very nice. But the team had to call itself “FC Tampa Bay” because they can’t sell anything that has the name “Rowdies” on it or have that on their uniforms or anything until they get it sorted.

    Just a note, in the curious logic of hockey and things Canadien, a left-handed goalie is known as “full-right”, a right-handed goalie is “regular”.
    I’m full-right, myself. Nothing that weird here – the land of “southpaws”.

    I don’t think its possible to be nattily-attired than George Susce in that 1940’s Brown garb. Monumental, phenomenal, and all the other adjectives…

    -Jet

    Today’s Ticker features the zenith and nadir of sports aesthetics.

    The aerial photos of the Brazilian soccer fields are exhilarating and uplifting and poignant.

    The photos of the minor league Black On Black games are depressing and disheartening and unforgivable.

    Also: I love that funny little Senators logo in the Collector’s Corner–even though it’s probably some old bread company giveaway rendition or something.

    Thanks for the link to my interview, Paul.

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    To nitpick a little, the Eau Claire Bears were not quite Hank Aaron’s first professional team. He played briefly with the Indianapolis Clowns before being signed by the Braves. (Wikipedia also says he was payed to play for an independent team in Mobile before that.)

    I have a Miami Heat program from 2008 and they use the all-caps HEAT styling throughout the program. Not sure how far back the practice goes.

    Having covered them when they first started playing in the NBA, I believe they did it from startup as well.

    HEAT is in all-caps because it stands for “Help Earn A Title.” LeBron decrypted that message subconsciously and therefore was forced to join Miami against his will (or knowledge).

    I’d vote for the Heat and the Clippers ass worst uni logos, since Toronto got rid of that cartoon dino. But I’m no hoops fan, so I know nothing, basically.

    For what its worth, and I’ve never understood why, but whenever I’ve seen PETCO, as in PETCO park, it is always written in all caps in every publication.

    While searching for an answer to your question, Google led me to this site:

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    What’s with the creepy logo creep? At first I figured it was a scan of a giveway or something, but the marks not in a typcial place from a marketing perspective, and the graphic is even copywrited! Very odd.

    Check out the eyes on the ump in the picture of the Rays.

    Somebody’s sneaking a little peek, if you ask me.

    He’s trying to figure out how the hell anyone thinks a navy stirrup over a navy sani (or other sock) is any kind of traditional baseball look.

    So going completely overly-politically-correct isn’t just an American pastime …

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    (meaning: Those things are really annoying and we don’t want to hear them!!!)

    A quick skim didn’t show anyone having answered the question, so yes, that is the Silverdome logo on the helmet.

    Kind of surprised to see a few positive comments today about TCU’s super-shitty combat uniforms. Purple and black do not work together. Ever. See TCU’s previous uniforms for an example. But congrats to them for managing to somehow downgrade from a uniform that was already pretty wretched.

    If you think Celtic v Sounders is overly green, then you’ll also love the Celtic-Sporting game on Wednesday. Both teams wear green hoops. Would be funny if they both wore their primary shirts and watch the ensuing madness.

    Re: Man, they don’t make groundskeepers with names like “Cornbread” anymore.

    That’s because white people cant call black people whatever they want anymore…

    Nah… it’s just that we’re just not creative enough to keep up with great names like “Snoop Doggy Dogg” or “Ol’ Dirty Bastard.” The best we can come up with is stuff that makes a 14 year old titter, like “The Big Unit.”

    (Titter. Hehe.)

    1960s Lodi Crushers, recycled with original Cubs sleeve patch:
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    …and with some photoshopping, the Lodi Crushers became the only known jersey from the Bakersfield Chimps:
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    Tomorrow, 7/21 is the Brooklyn Cyclones “Jersey? Sure!” Night. Details here.

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    Check out the jersey they are giving away to the 1st 2,500 fans.
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    How can you go wrong with a fist-pumping seagull?

    KCAI is flying the pineapple in for a second interview, chicago has one week to make a comback, or it will be kansas city for the win, and you’ll be calling me the link by the end of august. i am sorry chicago, after all that we’ve been threw, i, i, i, i will make it up to you, i promise to. after all that’s been said and done, you’re just the part of me i can’t let go…sad leaving town guitar solo.

    OK, I WAS a little too busy today to comment, until I heard those lyrics. GREAT song, and until Chicago and the Moody Blues are inducted into the Rock Hall of Fame, it isn’t a true HOF.

    Check out this Chicago video from 1977. Guitar player is wearing a sweet St. Louis Blues jersey.

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    looking forward to the colorization of the Browns jacket by Phil or Marc

    So,e good pictures as always in this latest batch.

    Alright, while I’m here…

    Love those NY Giants practice shirts.

    If the lockout happens, make this link into a shirt and I’d wear that.

    “What is it about Cleveland teams putting the team name first and the city name second?”
    Probably because back then, people were used to seeing the name Cleveland at the bottom…of everything. ;)

    I’d rather see the frog skin return to the TCU unis. At least it wasn’t FSFFSS.

    The Brazilian aerial photos were very cool. Loved that first one with the angled field. We going to see that field at the next World Cup?

    Could that “Cubbie” logo actually be slightly modified to be a bee? The folds of the jersey don’t show whether there are ears or not to be sure, but to me it looks like the chin extends outside of circle more than on the bear link.

    Not understanding why “Pacers” makes sense for Indiana is right up there with the person who once posted here that, “You don’t see a lot of Bulls around Chicago.”

    Maybe check a little bit about the history of a city or state first? Y’know, see if there’s actually something you don’t know after all.

    —Ricko

    I can confirm the helmet logo is indeed for the Silverdome. link

    I live in Pontiac and work right across the street from the ‘dome. Damned if I can’t find a logo online yet though!

    A little leg work, or rather finger work, pays off. Silverdome logo from a sign inside the building:

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    For those of us who don’t think superhero comics are lame, check out the guys dressed as golden age DC characters at San Diego’s ComicCon:
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    I’d wear the unis on either side of the Atom, who unfortunately is obscuring my favorite hero, the original Dr. Mid-Nite:
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