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In Which I Totally Geek Out Over a Tiny Thing Nobody Else Will Care About

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Last Thursday I wondered if the uniform shown in this ad might be the 2011 NBA All-Star uni. And now it turns out that it is.

I don’t generally get too worked up one way or the other about all-star designs, so let’s quickly tick off the notable points: They’re gonna be going color-on-color again; the L.A. skyline in the lettering is kinda weird; looks like they’re planning some snazzy metallic tone for the uni numbers; and so on. Whatever.

I’m more interested in the wording of the insignia. Seriously, “The East”? “The West”?

There are some types of terminology in this world that are greatly enhanced by tacking on the definite article — diseases, for example (the gout, the clap, the pigthrax). Similarly, in Ball Four, Jim Bouton noted that when ballplayers discussed a woman’s legs, they’d describe her as having “the good wheels” or “the bad wheels,” as the case might be. And I’ve found that you can let some of the air out of certain over-hyped internet phenomena by referring to them as, say, “the Twitter” or “the Facebook.”

But for a chest insignia? Nuh-uh (well, with one notable exception). It’s bad enough when we have stuff like “Los Mets” — we don’t need to start adding “The” to team jerseys.

Which brings up a question: Aside from the assorted “Los” examples and the above-referenced Golden State jersey, has the definite article ever appeared before on a professional team jersey? I say professional because things like this have begun showing up in “the” college ranks, and I suspect we’ll be seeing more of it in “the” NCAA. But hey, college is for 20-year-olds. I’d like to think we could avoid such antics at “the” pro level.

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Uni Watch Resarch Project: Oh man, that Ricko. Just when you think he’s pulled every conceivable rabbit out of all of his hats, he tops himself. Check it out the gauntlet he threw down in last night’s comments:

Sometime in the mid-’70s — it would’ve been 1975 or later — I was helping a friend move on a Saturday afternoon. We stopped at a neighborhood bar for a burger and beer. On the TV, the network game of the week, the Rangers were playing at Tiger Stadium.

I did sort of a double-take, because the Rangers were wearing their white home pants with their powder blue road jerseys. Don’t know how often they did that, but I definitely know they did it at least that one time. Looked for photos the next day and thereafter but never found any.

Can someone run down a photo from that game? A black-and-white will do, because even that would enable us to confirm the difference between the jersey and pant colors.

The funny thing, of course, is that pairing a powder blue top with white pants is exactly what the Royals and Rays do nowardays (which kinda makes me wonder why Ricko never mentioned the Rangers episode when KC and Tampa debuted their powder blue alt jerseys, but whatever). Anyway, this sounds like a case worth cracking, so someone please start researching when the Rangers went to Detroit for a weekend series in 1975ish and take it from there. There’s a free Uni Watch T-shirt waiting for the first reader who can punch Ricko’s ticket on this one.

Sock Giveaway Reminder: I’m currently giving away a pair of very cool soccer-inspired socks. Details here.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Here’s the latest article about minor leaguers complaining about the S100 (with thanks to Jason Hillyer, who also sent me a photo of a guy whose future looks, uh, bright). … Here’s a better view of Ruben Tejada’s scoreboard photo. “If he doesn’t do his eyebrows, then I am Queen of England,” says Stan Olechowski. … In my recent interview with Bengals helmet designer Bruce Claypool, Bruce mentioned that he didn’t even have a Bengals helmet. That situation has now been rectified, as he just received a helmet from Bengals honcho Mike Brown himself. … Did you hear about the three-way on the baseball diamond? No, not a sexual encounter (get your brain out of the gutter, Huening). I’m referring to the three-way exhibition game played by the Dodgers, Giants, and Yanks in 1944. It was a war bonds fund-raiser, and you can see the program from the game — including yet another Willard Mullin cover illustration — here. “According to pp. 107-9 of this book, the Dodgers and Yankees shared the visiting clubhouse AND the dugout during the game,” says John Saiz. “For the three innings the two teams played each other, they shared the dugout at the same time!” Now if we could just find a box score. … Excellent observation by Brooks Simpson, who notes that the crest on the Islanders’ original white jerseys had a blue border that’s missing from the team’s new throwback road whites. “They’ve simply taken the crest from the retro third jersey and placed it, unmodified, on the white jerseys, so the outer ring is white,” he says. “Looks like the old crests on many a replica jersey sold in the 1970s and ’80s.” … Hmmm, uni number or pause button? (Thanks, Brinke.) … Nice to see Nike is upholding its high labor standards (with thanks to Alex Higley). … You know how football players like Devin Hester sometimes double up on their socks? Uruguay’s keeper, Fernando Muslera, appears to have done the same thing (as noted by David Muir). … Have I mentioned lately that button-front jerseys can look really stupid? (Good spot by Bob Harrison.) … I’m totally gonna be bidding on this Pepsi driver’s uniform catalog. … I’ll be busy helping out my Mom with a few projects out on Long Island today, so Phil will have the keys. Treat him right — thanks.

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Uni Watch 2.0 Update: Aside from few very minor hiccups, the new version of the site has been humming along quite nicely. But there’s been some debate over the new format of the comments section, which some readers say they like and others say they hate. I’d like to get a better sense of what you’re all thinking about this one, so I asked poll-meister James Huening to whip up the following survey:


Thanks in advance for your feedback, and über-thanks to James for his polling assistance.

 

170 comments to In Which I Totally Geek Out Over a Tiny Thing Nobody Else Will Care About

  • Bernard | June 29, 2010 at 8:28 am |

    I like “The East” and “The West” here. I wouldn’t want it for the NHL, or baseball or football (“The National” and “The American”), but I think it speaks to the whole East Coast/West Coast thing in a way that works for the NBA.

  • JB Early | June 29, 2010 at 8:31 am |

    Since I somehow didn’t “see” the Comments button yesterday… let me saw retroactively; regarding those Stars & Stripes unis worn by the Springfield Cardinals –
    Holy Toledo! not sure if I like them 100% but they sure are something.

    As for that NYC 3way ballgame. I’d read about it. But must’ve been really weird playing it.

    • JB Early | June 29, 2010 at 12:00 pm |

      See? saw! speaking of which, I come from the best/worst “The” place – the Bronx. Hate now. Save time later. . ..

  • pk | June 29, 2010 at 8:31 am |

    “but I think it speaks to the whole East Coast/West Coast thing in a way that works for the NBA.”

    Sure, Indiana, Chicago, OKC, Detroit, Milwaukee, etc. all love being associated with the coasts! Just ask any Mid-Westerner…

    • LI Phil | June 29, 2010 at 8:36 am |

      not quite sure that’s what he meant

      • Bernard | June 29, 2010 at 9:11 am |

        Yeah, I guess I wasn’t very clear. The NBA, moreso than the other major professional leagues, embraces hip hop culture, and the East Coast/West Coast dynamic is a part of that. They clearly couldn’t say “East Coast” or “West Coast” for the reasons you give, pk. But I think dt183 (below) sums up the compromise nicely.

  • Geeman | June 29, 2010 at 8:34 am |

    Ricko mentioned that Rangers uniform story last summer, I believe. It was a Billy Martin give-em-hell moment or something.

    While someone is tracking down the photo of that game, dig into the archives for July 1977 and June 1978 and find the pinstripes-on-pinstripes game between the Mets and Pirates. I would, but the city library here does not have the New York papers on microfilm.

    • dt183 | June 29, 2010 at 9:04 am |

      Billy Martin managed the Rangers in 1974 and 1975, but they didn’t go powder blue until 1976.

      • marc | June 29, 2010 at 9:59 am |

        Man, I completely forgot Billy managed the Rangers.

  • Geeman | June 29, 2010 at 8:34 am |

    I am going to start posting comments in the old format anyway, just so I can follow myself.

  • dt183 | June 29, 2010 at 8:37 am |

    “The East/The West” is just following along with folks saying they’re from “The Lou” (St Louis), “The ATL” (Atlanta), “The (fill-in-the-blank-Area-Code)”, etc.

    • JamesP. | June 29, 2010 at 8:55 am |

      They have been calling St Louis “The Lou” for a few years now. Even have shirts saying it. Not being a native, I laugh when I hear it because it is a very fitting name…

      …even saw one that said “Flush The Lou!”

      • The Ol Goaler | June 29, 2010 at 9:21 am |

        I grew up in St. Louis (never “St. Louie”!), but moved to Arkansas after graduating from Mizzou in 1975; I missed out on the advent of calling the city “The Lou”… as a current resident of the cultural center of the Universe (just ask our mayor!), Jonesboro, Arkansas, I’m dreading the advent of “The Boro”…

        • Ry Co 40 | June 29, 2010 at 10:14 am |

          for pittsburgh, i try to use “the burgh” as little as humanly possible!

  • Robert Eden | June 29, 2010 at 8:43 am |

    It is nice to see a poll in today’s entry, even if it was only about the comments section. Polls on other important topics of the day would be a nice addition.

  • RS Rogers | June 29, 2010 at 8:51 am |

    I dig the new favicon, but I’d like it even more if there were something inside the glass – that is, if it resembled the new logo more. The glass by itself just doesn’t quite speak to me of uniwatchiness. Then again, successful brand-establishment can take time, so perhaps in three months time the sight of any magnifying glass anywhere will make me think, “Ah, Uni Watch!”

    • Mark Richter | June 29, 2010 at 9:01 am |

      I understand that the magnifying glass is now the centerpiece of the masthead, but I miss the stirrup favicon!

    • Ry Co 40 | June 29, 2010 at 10:12 am |

      yeah, could we squeeze more into that 1/8″ x 1/8″ area please? hahaha j/k

      • RS Rogers | June 29, 2010 at 11:07 am |

        I know! I felt like a bit of a tool even writing the words “more” and “favicon” in the same sentence. But still, there a lot of favicons pack a lot more visual information into that tiny space much more effectively. Some examples:

        http://www.sitepoint...

        If the White House can get the entire Great Seal of the United States into its favicon, surely Uni Watch can have a stronger one.

  • RS Rogers | June 29, 2010 at 8:54 am |

    Even counting Golden State and various ethnic heritage jerseys, has an indefinite article ever appeared on a jersey?

  • dt183 | June 29, 2010 at 8:57 am |

    Rangers played at Tigers on May 10 1975 on NBC’s game of the week.

    There are some pics of that game in this album

    http://picasaweb.goo...

  • Andy | June 29, 2010 at 8:57 am |

    As long as we’re not on the brink of a ‘the’ trend, I think it’s okay as a little one-off, change of pace sort of thing here.

  • Mark K | June 29, 2010 at 8:58 am |

    The only thing I don’t like about the comments is that I miss replies to posts “up above”.

    The East and The West are The Worst. It just follows the trend of being from The 619. Or The Wherever.

    • Andy | June 29, 2010 at 10:23 am |

      I disagree. When talking about the conferences, we colloquially refer to them as ‘the East’ and ‘the West,’ as in, “The Celtics were the best team in the East during their playoff run, but they couldn’t close the deal against the Lakers, who were the West’s most powerful team all season long.” “James had a triple double for the East on his way to All-Star Game MVP honors.”

      • Andy II | June 29, 2010 at 12:40 pm |

        When talking about teams we do the same. I’ll quote you directly, ” “The Celtics were the best team…” and “…against the Lakers….” Does that mean adding THE above franchise names is acceptable?

        • JimWa | June 29, 2010 at 1:30 pm |

          Hey! I think Cubs actually got something right! They tried to eliminate this whole argument decades ago!

          http://thephillyphou...

  • dt183 | June 29, 2010 at 9:03 am |

    Here’s a pic of the May 1975 game. Doesn’t look like white pants. However, the Rangers didn’t go to Powder Blues until 1976.

    http://2.bp.blogspot...

    • LI Phil | June 29, 2010 at 9:10 am |

      not true…they sported the powder roads starting in 1975

      • dt183 | June 29, 2010 at 2:33 pm |

        ah, then dressed to the nines is wrong on that one

        • dt183 | June 29, 2010 at 2:36 pm |

          you sure about that Phil?

        • dt183 | June 29, 2010 at 2:40 pm |

          yup, you’re right and dressed to the nines is wrong. they have it as a gray jersey:

          http://exhibits.base...

          while it actually was powder blue

          http://farm4.static....

          (that was the only year the Rangers wore the big block TEXAS like that.

        • JTH | June 29, 2010 at 4:43 pm |

          Here’s another.

  • The Jeff | June 29, 2010 at 9:06 am |

    For obvious reasons, I have no problem with them using The East and The West on all-star jerseys.

    I wouldn’t want to see any real teams doing that though.

  • dwight | June 29, 2010 at 9:09 am |

    I recall watching a Long Beach State b-ball game a few years ago, and them having “The Beach” on the floor. Couldn’t find that but here’s a shot from Creamer’s site:

    http://www.sportslog...

  • The Jeff | June 29, 2010 at 9:11 am |

    …and I’m really not liking the new quote format. It makes it far too easy to miss replies.

  • Austin Gray | June 29, 2010 at 9:21 am |

    I don’t have an example of “the” appearing on any jerseys, but I do have a semi-related awkward grammatical uni memory. I believe it was in the last decade, but University of Louisiana – Lafayette made an improbable run in the College World Series, and one of their games was televised. I recall that their uniforms said “Louisiana’s Ragin’ Cajuns” with “Louisiana’s” appearing in script and “Ragin’ Cajuns” appearing the tail of the “s” in “Louisiana’s.” It just seemed odd to say “Louisiana’s” instead of “Louisiana” and to purposefully avoid referencing Lafayette. I’ll see if I can find a pic – or who knows…maybe they still do this.

    • hugh.c.mcbride | June 29, 2010 at 2:33 pm |

      I noticed this during the NCAA Women’s Softball World Series. Here’s one photo — not the clearest view, but a close look shows both the “apostrophe s” at the end of the school name and the “Ragin Cajuns” in the tail of the “s.”

    • JamesP. | June 29, 2010 at 4:20 pm |

      This was an early attempt for ULL to try and market themselves as THE University of Louisiana. Now, that’s how you’ll see them…even though ESPN laughed at their Media Relations guy before a televised game last year. They wanted to be UL and were told that they were going to be ULL end of story.

      My parents live near ULL and they have seen and heard people themselves “THE University”, and “THE University of Louisiana Ragin’ Cajuns”.

    • Kerry P | June 29, 2010 at 4:36 pm |

      Sad but true. People in Lafayette and ULL alumni refer to the school simply as “UL.” They get extremely aggitated by people that insist to use the “ULL” moniker. But, it makes sense since there is also a University of Louisiana at Monroe or ULM. Of course, most of us like to call it “Oo la la.”

      • JamesP. | June 29, 2010 at 5:26 pm |

        I graduated from Louisiana Tech University–main interstate rival to both schools, and I still call them USL and NLU…when I have to be nice. ULL and ULM are both names that were given to them because of the increased push of the University of Louisiana name back in the 90s. “Ooo La La” and “Ooo La Moo” had bad athletic programs and thought the name change would fix things. All it did was give us a quick way to talk about them both: UL-U Pick’em. Thanks ESPN Collage Football!

  • Geeman | June 29, 2010 at 9:21 am |

    Some nice looking college unis here.

    http://sportsillustr...

    Has anyone noticed that the UCLA batting helmets appear lighter than the helmets the catcher and base coaches wear? Carolina blue as opposed to, say, Dodger blue. Kind of like the Florida blue helmet in one of the pics in the link above.

    • Geeman | June 29, 2010 at 9:23 am |

      Here’s a good pic, and it’s not the lighting.

      http://www.kansascit...

      • Ry Co 40 | June 29, 2010 at 10:22 am |

        i love the flat-finished helmet! part of me wishes the pirates would go that route… that “P” would jump right out!

        actually, wouldn’t it be cool if the steelers and penguins adopted that look too?

        • Andy | June 29, 2010 at 10:26 am |

          Flat finish helmets are definitely not a good idea in football (increases the risk of hard and/or concussive head injuries) but for baseball and hockey it’s probably okay.

        • Jordan | June 29, 2010 at 4:41 pm |

          @Andy
          How does paint affect the helmet construction and/or the padding inside? (Not sarcastic; definitely naive and curious)

        • JamesP. | June 29, 2010 at 5:30 pm |

          Jordan: The high gloss look is from the impact resistant poly-resin coating applied to a helmet to make it shine. It is not a very thick layer, hence the dings and scratches you will see. It does add a little bit of protection from breaking, but they can still break with enough impact.

  • Sarran | June 29, 2010 at 9:28 am |

    It is amazing how much work uniforms have changed too. I have Pepsi in my restaurant and my, is that nothing close to what they wear now. But so has everything else in this world of ours.

  • traxel | June 29, 2010 at 9:33 am |

    I still like going to the bottom of the comments to see what’s new. Not having to search above to see what the popular thread seems to be. The old way might have been repetitive, but it moved the active threads to the bottom so you could easily see what people were hitting on. I liked that. But if that’s not the way of the future, I’ll adjust.

  • Graf Zeppelin | June 29, 2010 at 9:40 am |

    If memory serves, the USFL’s Chicago Blitz helmet decal said “the Blitz” in one of their two years. Checking for pics…

  • Graf Zeppelin | June 29, 2010 at 9:44 am |
  • ren | June 29, 2010 at 9:46 am |

    i dont know what to call them, but detriots injury crew (i guess) is wearing the EH memorial patch.. never seen this before
    http://mlb.mlb.com/v...

    • Nick | June 29, 2010 at 1:21 pm |

      injury crew?? how about training staff

  • Richard | June 29, 2010 at 9:49 am |

    Presumably The Citadel uses “the” regularly on uniforms.

    It would be a disappointment if they didn’t.

    • Geeman | June 29, 2010 at 9:51 am |

      They do.

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  • Brad | June 29, 2010 at 9:59 am |

    My two cents: I wish the comments were numbered once again, it made it easy to find certain comments by remembering the number.
    I do like the site’s new look. Thanks.

    • Broadway Connie | June 29, 2010 at 10:05 am |

      Agree w Brad.

    • M.Princip | June 29, 2010 at 10:25 am |

      I agree with Brad, and I have a feeling most people would love to see the new look format, yet included numbered hyperlinks to mark original posts. Easier said than done, I know. Yet, as Traxel said at…???….oh, I forgot where he said it at ;o), yet it was something like, “….if it’s not the way of the future, I’ll adapt.”

    • Skycat | June 29, 2010 at 1:41 pm |

      It would really be neat if new comments could be displayed in a different color when you refresh the screen.

  • Mark in Shiga | June 29, 2010 at 10:01 am |

    Definite articles on jerseys: if we count sponsors (and we really, really shouldn’t), Fiorentina in the Italian Serie A used to have the newspaper “La Nazione” on the front of their jerseys for years.

  • Peter | June 29, 2010 at 10:16 am |

    How long is it before we see those adidas stripes on the actual uniforms of NBA teams? It seems that they are creeping in to to the NBA through all-star unis and warm-up clothing and are bound to appear on the jerseys. Manufacturer-driven designs probably would be a step in the wrong direction for the league, but it looks tolerable on soccer jerseys, so who knows.

  • The Jim Vilk | June 29, 2010 at 10:25 am |

    The Jeff said:

    “For obvious reasons, I have no problem with them using The East and The West on all-star jerseys.
    I wouldn’t want to see any real teams doing that though.”

    I was hoping you’d post today, ’cause you’re the first person I thought of when I saw those jerseys. :)

    I think I agree – for an All-Star Game it’s OK.

    • LI Phil | June 29, 2010 at 10:38 am |

      HAH…when THE jeff first posted, i thought “oh…he likes hip-hop” (that’s why he likes the new jerseys)…

      then i though “oh, he likes color on color”

      took me a minute to realize it was for…

      THE jeff

    • JTH | June 29, 2010 at 11:02 am |

      I’d imagine this li’l fella approves as well.

      • The Cheat | June 29, 2010 at 4:43 pm |

        More trophies for the Chort!

        • James Craven | June 30, 2010 at 11:18 pm |

          And that means a lot of prablims!

    • marc | June 29, 2010 at 11:58 am |

      LOL… “The Jim Vilk.” Nice one.

  • ClubMedSux | June 29, 2010 at 10:26 am |

    I was so shocked by the overall simple design of the all-star jerseys that I didn’t even notice the “the” at first. A definite step in the right direction for the NBA if that’s the worst feature of the jersey.

  • Jim Vilk | June 29, 2010 at 10:28 am |

    Wonder if the Buckeyes will put a T at midfield instead of the usual O…you know, since they’re THE Ohio State University…

    • marc | June 29, 2010 at 11:59 am |

      Pronounced, of course, “THEE.”

    • marc | June 29, 2010 at 12:01 pm |

      Oh yeah, and don’t forget they might need some ellipses for that slight pause after “THE.”

    • The Jeff | June 29, 2010 at 12:38 pm |

      That’d work… then maybe they could get the band to spell something other than just Ohio.

      You almost have to feel bad for poor neglected Ohio University, or at least wonder why the big rivalry is with Michigan, and not Michigan State.

  • Geeman | June 29, 2010 at 10:45 am |

    Peter said:

    How long is it before we see those adidas stripes on the actual uniforms of NBA teams? It seems that they are creeping in to to the NBA through all-star unis and warm-up clothing and are bound to appear on the jerseys. Manufacturer-driven designs probably would be a step in the wrong direction for the league, but it looks tolerable on soccer jerseys, so who knows.

    ***

    UCLA baseball uniforms have three stripes on the back collar, in blue and gold.

  • Jet | June 29, 2010 at 10:47 am |

    Re: the comments…

    The new look is cleaner, easier to read.

    I miss the numbered posts, made it easy to find where I’d left off.

    Not sure if I understand what the controversy is about — with the new version, if someone makes a post at 9:30 a.m., and I reply to it at 3:30 p.m., my reply will appear up at the top of the page under his original post, instead of at the bottom as the most recent post??? If so, then I prefer the original version.

    • LI Phil | June 29, 2010 at 11:04 am |

      yes

      • Jet | June 29, 2010 at 11:15 am |

        thanks. I voted for the second choice but in actuality I would like the new look with the old format of numbered posts, with the most recent post at the bottom of the page.

        -Jet

  • Jet | June 29, 2010 at 10:49 am |

    Oh, one other thing about the comments. I don’t like the button to add comments is in small light-gray lettering at the bottom of the day’s column. I think it would be very easy for newcomers to miss and they might not even discover that you can leave comments. I think you need a bigger, more visible “COMMENTS” button.

    -Jet

    • JTH | June 29, 2010 at 11:07 am |

      You’re at least the second person to mention a comments button today. Where is this button?

  • JTH | June 29, 2010 at 10:49 am |

    Anyone else find it interesting that the players featured for the all-star jersey preview are Kobe Bryant and Derrick Rose?

    And why is Dwight Howard wearing Rose’s number in that adidas ad? I’m guessing they only made up one The East jersey and it had #1 on it, but Rose’s number is the one that’s completely obscured, not Howard’s.

    I can see why they wouldn’t want to do the seemingly obvious thing and go with a #6/The East jersey since LeBron could end up on a The West team next year. Still, I find it odd that they’d go with Rose as their The East jersey, since he’s only been an all-star once and he wasn’t a starter.

  • Christopher | June 29, 2010 at 11:02 am |

    which kinda makes me wonder why Ricko never mentioned the Rangers episode when KC and Tampa debuted their powder blue alt jerseys, but whatever

    It looks like he did mention it back in April 2009 in the AL Power Blue review.

    I’ve searched through the Dallas Morning News’s archives for 1975, 1976, and 1977 and checked out all Rangers games played in Detroit for pictures but did not find any instances in which Texas wore the powder blues over home whites.

    • Valjean | June 29, 2010 at 2:29 pm |

      Courtesy of Retrosheet, the dates from ’75 to ’79 when the Rangers were at Detroit (in case anyone more energetic than me wants to save this step …):

      1975
      May 9-11
      August 11-13

      1976
      April 23-24
      August 9, 10 (DH), 11

      1977
      May 3
      August 5 (DH), 6, 7

      1978
      April 22, 23 (DH)
      August 8, 9

      1979
      April 7 (one game again – opening day, unlikely)
      August 7 (DH), 8 (DH), 9

      Gotta love those old consistent schedules. My bet on the white pants is either a laundry mix-up or ran out of clean road pants in that last 5 game (!) make-up series in ’79. Lots of doubleheaders too.

      • Valjean | June 29, 2010 at 4:18 pm |

        OK, a little more energetic — Ricko probably already knows this, but in case it helps anyone else: the Saturdays within the time range above:

        10 May 1975
        24 April 1976
        6 August 1977
        22 April 1978
        7 April 1979

        Neatly, one per year. Gotta be one of those, right?

  • Jet | June 29, 2010 at 11:10 am |

    Not an example of “the” appearing on a jersey, but I was a huge California Golden Seals fan and I recall there was a cartoon logo that said “The Seals.” Can’t seem to find it online, will have to check if I still have a sticker of it at home. It was a cartoon-drawn player coming towards you and “Seals” was in their logo font style.

    -Jet

  • Jet | June 29, 2010 at 11:12 am |

    JTH said: “You’re at least the second person to mention a comments button today. Where is this button?”

    I’m not using the right terminology; by button I mean the light-gray lettering at the bottom of the day’s column that says “COMMENTS.” I think it should be larger and more visible and have a graphic “button” to click on instead of just light-gray type. I think it’s too easy to miss for a newcomer.

    -Jet

    • JTH | June 29, 2010 at 11:19 am |

      Ah, I see what you mean. If you just to to the main uniwatchblog.com page, you might not even notice that comments are available. It just appears as a series of posts

      I guess I wasn’t thinking about that scenario because I always go directly to the new post via live bookmark and the comments are already visible so there’s nothing to click.

  • Geeman | June 29, 2010 at 11:17 am |

    Christopher said:

    which kinda makes me wonder why Ricko never mentioned the Rangers episode when KC and Tampa debuted their powder blue alt jerseys, but whatever
    It looks like he did mention it back in April 2009 in the AL Power Blue review.

    I’ve searched through the Dallas Morning News’s archives for 1975, 1976, and 1977 and checked out all Rangers games played in Detroit for pictures but did not find any instances in which Texas wore the powder blues over home whites.

    ***
    http://farm4.static....

    Interesting discussion of the three generations of Twins helmets in that post. As I recall, several teams wore helmets that were essentially “third” hats at the time (Milwaukee and Seattle come to mind). In other words, they had a home hat, a road hat, and a helmet that matched neither. Instead of meatching home and road hats, they came up with one helmet different from both. The Twins came up with third hat (which Joe Mauer now wears as a catcher’s helmet) when they went to separate home and road hats. But then they inexplicably went to one helmet that matched the home (but not road) hat. Ricko could provide more detail, I’m sure. . . .

    Where was that Texas-Detroit game played?

    • Ricko | June 29, 2010 at 11:26 pm |

      As to Twins batting helmets (and I’m doing this from memory so it may be off in specifics, but it generalities are pretty close to how it went).

      First year of doubleknits (no more pins at home), the roads were gray and they continued to wear the all-navy helmet, which matched their hats both home and road.

      The following year they changed to powder blue roads. I think it was then that the tri-color batting helmet debuted…even though they continued to wear navy hats both home and road. If not that year, then shortly thereafter.

      When they added the red-crown home hats, the tri-color helmet “solved” the problem of matching helmets to the different home and road hats, by matching neither, by being a kind of “third” hat.

      When they scrapped the navy hats and went to the red-crown hats both home and road, they then changed to red batting helmets with a navy visor full-time.

      As I said, that’s fairly close to how it played out.

      Why Mauer still wears the tri-color to catch, I honestly don’t know. Maybe he just asked if could because he remembered that helmet from his childhood.

      Which makes it kinda like a goaltender’s custom-painted mask, doesn’t it.

      —Ricko

  • Harmy G | June 29, 2010 at 11:23 am |

    What about “Prom” vs “The Prom”? I hate hearing just “Prom.”

    • Brian | June 29, 2010 at 11:37 am |

      Amen to that! Where the hell did the whole “Prom” thing come from?

      I grew up outside of Philly, and it was always “The Prom”. I didn’t hear it said the other way until I moved to North Carolina…

      • JimWa | June 29, 2010 at 1:46 pm |

        Only time I ever hear Prom with a The in front of it was when Senior or Junior were in the middle of it all.

        • Michael Emody | June 29, 2010 at 3:01 pm |

          But it should be: “The Prom”, right? I was watching some crap on tv this morning and the announcer said, “… he died in hospital.” Uh, you mean he died in THE hospital, right?

  • interlockingtc | June 29, 2010 at 11:45 am |

    dt183’s link may not provided us with evidence of Ricko’s powder blue Rangers game, but it was worth clicking on for this…

    http://picasaweb.goo...

    Man, I sure loved that original Islanders home jersey. And the blue border makes a huge difference.

    I like the site’s new look, but not the comment format. I find it a little frustrating. But… I suppose I’ll get used to it.

    –the interlockingtc

  • tosaman | June 29, 2010 at 11:48 am |

    UniWatch name check in this blog post: http://www.wezen-bal...

    The writer did something kinda interesting — he took the Dressed to the Nines images and ‘averaged’ them by year to come up with a ‘typical’ baseball uniform for the year. It’s been previously noted here that Dressed to the Nines isn’t perfrect, but I did see the sanis becoming more visible in the ’60s and disappering altogether in the 2000s.

    • tosaman | June 29, 2010 at 12:22 pm |

      Guess I’m not so perfrect either…

      • JTH | June 29, 2010 at 2:30 pm |

        OK, now why the hell is this comment always at the bottom?

        • JTH | June 29, 2010 at 2:31 pm |

          The “this comment” I was referring to was tosaman’s “Guess I’m not so perfrect either…” since my reply does not appear to be formatted as a reply.

        • Bernard | June 29, 2010 at 2:51 pm |

          This is kinda how I’m feeling right now…

          http://www.youtube.c...

        • Schmeltzer | June 29, 2010 at 5:47 pm |

          Hi. Disregard this. I’m wondering about this new reply format. Will this go inline with the comments or will this go to the bottom.

  • Jon Horton | June 29, 2010 at 12:00 pm |

    Re: The “THE”

    I haven’t seen this posted, so I will mention this part. Californians have a nagging affinity for calling their highways by things like “The 5” and “The 405” and “The 509.” No where else do I hear people do this.

    Living here in Washington, where we are very sensitive to “the California invasion” when we hear someone give or get directions and say “The 5,” it is an INSTANT giveaway.

    So when I saw “THE EAST” and “THE WEST,” it came as no surprise to me that his game was going to be in LA, where it will probably be called “The All Star” played at “Staples” where by the way, the people at Fox (which broadcasts the Kings, Clippers and Lakers home broadcasts) have been giving expressed instructions never to put the word “THE” in front of so as to show off the brand name “Staples.” That was easy.

    The More You Know…

    • Andy II | June 29, 2010 at 12:46 pm |

      Half true Jon, but it’s only Southern Californians (we also somewhat uniquely use names like the San Diego Freeway). The 101 is 101 in San Francisco – trivial reason number 4,394,766 why they have a grudge with LA. The 110 was America’s first freeway, so I say we get first dibs on what to call it.

    • Mark K | June 29, 2010 at 2:20 pm |

      In Buffalo it’s THE 290 and THE 190 but 60 miles east in Rochester it’s just 390 and 590.

      • DenverGregg | June 29, 2010 at 2:37 pm |

        . . . the weirdest highway nomenclature is when people add “I” in front of a numbered highway that isn’t part of the interstate system. I’ve heard people call the Boulder Turnpike (a/k/a US 36) “I-36” as if it were a bingo number. Vastly prefer “the #” to “I-#”.

        • Michael Emody | June 29, 2010 at 3:04 pm |

          The “I” thing is big in Texas, i.e. “I-35.”

        • Andy | June 29, 2010 at 3:28 pm |

          But I-35 is part of the Interstate Highway system. It goes from Laredo all the up to Minnesota. It’s fine to call an actual Interstate Highway “I-XX,” but it’s when people start calling regular U.S. Highways “I-XX” that get’s on the nerves. Think about the famous [former] Route 66, also known as U.S. Hwy 66. It would be like calling it “I-66.” These roads are more commonly (and properly) called either simply by the number, “I’m taking 20 from the East side into downtown.” or “Route-XX,” “You need to get on Route 6 and take it east. Then you’ll run right into I-90.” We use the same nomenclature for the State Highways here as well.

        • Michael Emody | June 29, 2010 at 7:15 pm |

          You’re right, Andy, that is annoying. Most people don’t know the difference between Interstate and the old “US” highway systems. Add state highway signs in black and white, and no one notices the difference.

        • James Craven | June 30, 2010 at 11:20 pm |

          Here in Philly, I-95 is the Delaware Expressway, and I-76 is the Schuylkill (pronounced “School-kill”) or “Sure Kill” Expressway.

    • Mark M | June 29, 2010 at 6:08 pm |

      I have never encountered a non-Interstate being called “I-XX” but it is so wrong to do it.

      The Interstate system reused road numbers, to residents of Northern Virginia “I-66” is a traffic-choked piece of hell, while “Route 66” is an overly-romanced abandoned highway in across the West.

      Oh, and my sister has been in Phoenix long enough to start calling every major road “The 10” and “The 60.” I assumed it was a western thing.

  • jesse | June 29, 2010 at 12:02 pm |

    here’s a picture of rangers in DARK blue top with white pants. no idea if its a home game or not. jim sundberg, picture on the bottom right. possible it was a dark blue on the road and not powder blue?

    http://webzoom.freew...

    • EMD | June 29, 2010 at 12:45 pm |

      That’s waaaay beyond the 1975-76 era Rangers which wore all white and all powder blue.

  • dgc | June 29, 2010 at 12:07 pm |

    Don’t mind the nested comments, but would like some way to quickly see if there are newer comments above. Maybe I’m just too used to the “z” functionality on the SBNation blogs.

    • EMD | June 29, 2010 at 12:45 pm |

      I’ve started ‘z’-ing every site I go to, only to be dismayed when it doesn’t work.

  • denverbuckeye | June 29, 2010 at 12:57 pm |

    at least it’s not Da’ East and Da’ West. . .

  • Ryan B. | June 29, 2010 at 1:28 pm |

    Don’t think anyone’s mentioned this yet today, but during the TV coverage of last night’s Nats-Braves game, Stephen Strasburg’s uniform top looked a lot darker than his pants.

    Tried to see if that perspective carried over into photography, but the best pic I could find is inconclusive.

    Anyone else notice this?

    • RS Rogers | June 29, 2010 at 10:07 pm |

      One, his jersey appears to be a lot sweatier than his pants. Wetter equals darker. Two, they’re made of different materials. He’s wearing the Cool Base jersey, while the pants appear to be normal poly numbers. The two uni types do look different depending on the lighting to begin with, plus the Cool Base is thinner, and often has less brightness.

  • David Stagg | June 29, 2010 at 1:44 pm |

    I think this is an obvious reference to the NBA actively working to frame their special events with the article “The”; it goes hand-in-hand with them trying to assert the phrase “The Finals” into any sports fan’s lexicon.

    You’ve even referenced this in one of your previous posts from June 14:

    “…and trying to brand ‘The Finals’ has always struck me as willful, bordering on wishful.”

    reference

    Just add one more thing (“The East” and “The West”) they’re “willfully” and “wishfully” trying to brand.

  • JimWa | June 29, 2010 at 1:44 pm |

    1. Comments: I just used my lunch hour to go through and seek out new replies to old comments that I’d read earlier in the day. I really prefer to use my work hours to do this, so I can be more productive on my lunches. I think I’d like a hybrid (if possible, where the replies go back to the bottom, but ONLY quote the specific remark they asked to reply to. If I want to review the whole thread, I’ll go back myself.

    2. NBA All-Star jerseys: Surprised nobody has mentioned this – The jerseys for The East jerseys have a clearly black shadow with a definitive stopping point. The jerseys for The West have more of a true shadow – still a reddish hue and blurred ending points. Odd for jerseys that mirror one another in every other way stylistically to have very different shadows.

    3. I can’t wait to back to Chicago this weekend, so I can pick up some pop at The Jewels.

    • Andy | June 29, 2010 at 2:12 pm |

      I think the shadow on the east jersey is dark blue, and i think the fuzziness of the shadow on the West pic is just poor quality creeping in.

      • Andy | June 29, 2010 at 2:14 pm |

        Yes. the whole rest of the identity is done in two-tone red and two-tone blue, so I’m guessing the East shadow is dark blue.

  • JTH | June 29, 2010 at 2:29 pm |

    Anyone here from The Woodlands, TX?

    • dt183 | June 29, 2010 at 2:41 pm |

      why?

      • Andy | June 29, 2010 at 3:30 pm |

        Because the theme of today’s post is apparently ‘To THE, or not to THE.’

        • James Craven | June 30, 2010 at 11:21 pm |

          ^ POST O’ THE DAY WINNAH! ^

  • Glenn | June 29, 2010 at 2:40 pm |

    Gotta love that according to the poll, half the visitors never even read the drivel that you hayseeds post on here. Just wanted to point that out.

  • Michael Emody | June 29, 2010 at 2:53 pm |

    I’m fine with the new format. However, the links (in the comment section) do not open in a new page, as they did in the old format. Reloading UniWatch on each flip back can take a few moments. Yes, I could hold the Apple/command/whatever button down when clicking on a link, but I’m usually just waking up when I first scroll thru the comments, and it seems like such a major effort… (waaa….)

    • M.Princip | June 29, 2010 at 3:30 pm |

      Yea, I can’t find the links, or the ‘Uniwatch Recommends’ anymore?

      • Schmeltzer | June 29, 2010 at 5:50 pm |

        I’m also wondering how you folks are getting your comments in line with the original message. It looks like this one is going to be because I clicked “Reply” to one of the previous replies. But if I click Reply at the top of a message, my reply ends up at the bottom of the comments. Confused…

  • timmy b | June 29, 2010 at 3:18 pm |

    Hope this doesn’t get lost in the shuffle, but…

    Per The New York Times July 18, 1977 edition, there are pics of the Pirates wearing the white (with “pinstripes”) tops and bottoms at Shea on 7/17 against the Mets. It was a doubleheader and the Bucs are wearing the black pillbox caps. I am not sure which game this was; game 1 or game 2.

    Two days earlier (7/15), the Bucs and Mets also played a twinbill and in the opening game (per the 7/16/77 NYT), the Pirates have on the “pins” tops with black pants and yellow caps and stirrups.

    Hope this helps.

  • timmy b | June 29, 2010 at 3:22 pm |

    Let me try this again…

    On July 17, 1977, the Pirates wore all white with “pinstripes” in at least one game AT SHEA against the Mets. There is photo documentation on page 19 in the July 18, 1977 edition of the New York Times. The Pirates played a doubleheader, but I didn’t get which game they wore the all pins. They did wear their black caps. The Bucs and Mets split the DH.

    Hope this helps.

    • Geeman | June 29, 2010 at 3:36 pm |

      Nice work! Yo, yo, LI Phil — tkae note, bro.

      • Geeman | June 29, 2010 at 3:38 pm |

        I mean take note. So excited my fingers were trembling.

  • Geeman | June 29, 2010 at 3:37 pm |

    timmy B said:

    Let me try this again…

    On July 17, 1977, the Pirates wore all white with “pinstripes” in at least one game AT SHEA against the Mets. There is photo documentation on page 19 in the July 18, 1977 edition of the New York Times. The Pirates played a doubleheader, but I didn’t get which game they wore the all pins. They did wear their black caps. The Bucs and Mets split the DH.

    Hope this helps.

    ***

    Again, great work. Memory did not fail1 Hey Phil — tell that Easter Bunny to send the basket of candy my way.

    • Geeman | June 29, 2010 at 3:41 pm |

      timmy B — any way you can send us pics? This a find akin to the Indians’ red/white/blue mashups from last summer and the A’s all-gold the other day. Awesome.

    • traxel | June 29, 2010 at 10:15 pm |

      I’m confused. Did you mean they wore this

      http://media.photobu...

      Or they wore this top with the pinstriped pants (or vice versa)?

      http://www.checkoutm...

  • Giancarlo | June 29, 2010 at 3:47 pm |

    Spain/Portugal looking awesome uni-wise.

  • Bob from Akron | June 29, 2010 at 5:05 pm |

    Not uniform related, but how about a little music from The The?

  • Bart | June 29, 2010 at 5:17 pm |

    As a diehard Islanders fan, I was disappointed (yet not surprised) they managed to screw up the logo on the new white road jerseys. I noticed it Friday night when they unveiled them. I’d love to know why they didn’t use the blue border around the logo. The white trim on a white jersey does look ridiculous.

    • Jet | June 29, 2010 at 7:16 pm |

      This kind of laziness bugs me to no end, but it seems teams are committing gaffes like this. Inexcusable!

      -Jet

  • Geeman | June 29, 2010 at 6:23 pm |

    Is anyone following Timmy B’s find on the pins-on-pins affair at Shea? BUELLER? It’d be nice to have pics. Ricko, Phil, Paul — any response? Haven’t we talked about this for about two years now? I was just too lazy to go look it up, but my memory did not fail me.

  • Samuel Lam | June 29, 2010 at 6:31 pm |

    Don’t know if this was mentioned yet, but the Cowboys could be ditching their home pants (the green/silver) looking one.

    http://blogs.dallaso...

    • =bg= | June 29, 2010 at 11:48 pm |

      They need to update the white jerseys too- put stars on the sleeves like the blue ones. And make the blue all one shade. Finally.

  • JimWa | June 29, 2010 at 6:39 pm |

    Also … What’s with The West team’s shout out to the Randy Johnson-years’ Houston Astros?

  • Jim Vilk | June 29, 2010 at 6:41 pm |

    Forgot to do my review of today’s featured jersey.

    I’d wear the that.

  • Jet | June 29, 2010 at 6:50 pm |

    I found an example of the “THE SEALS” logo I referenced earlier. They only used this on some merchandising items like this beer pub sign
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    although this is a very unusual item that I’ve never seen before, no indication whether it was an official souvenir item back in the day or a new manufactured product.

    Meanwhile there were other versions of the same design with the skater and the word “SEALS” which had “California Golden” instead of “THE”…

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    -Jet

  • Jet | June 29, 2010 at 6:51 pm |

    I just found an even better version of the “THE SEALS” logo, this was definitely an official merchandise item from the team…

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    -Jet

  • Jet | June 29, 2010 at 6:58 pm |

    Whew, I thought I had seen every California Golden Seals item there is, but check out this Sparky the Seal shirt from 1974 on Ebay — the Sparky cartoon character was designed by Charles M. Schulz of Peanuts fame by the way, who was a big Seals fan!!!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    -Jet

  • LI Phil | June 29, 2010 at 7:27 pm |

    Geeman said:

    Nice work! Yo, yo, LI Phil — tkae note, bro.

    i never said such an ensemble didn’t exist…you’d think that the bucs wore so many mix and matches over the years they’d match up against another pins wearing team at least once

    still waiting for visuals

    as long as we’re searching for pics of games, here’s one i remember i’ve never seen a photo of (not that i’ve tried particularly hard to find it)…but im almost positive the yankees played a game, with the gambler pitching, in which they wore a black uni — they may have been playing as the new york black yankees — now, maybe i dreamed it, and i’ve never found a pic, but i’d swear they wore it one time

    so in theory, we have one white whale down…next up, rangers powder over white pants; then injuns all blue (probably from the 1975 or 1977 ASG), and finally the pre-season blue pony from the denver football club

    • Geeman | June 29, 2010 at 7:34 pm |

      Phil — yesterday you said the Easter Bunny and Santa were on the same list as the all-pins affair. ;)

      Anyway, can’t wait for visuals. But it’s nice to remember accurately a strange memory from when you were a kid.

      • Geeman | June 29, 2010 at 7:37 pm |

        I’m sorry, you said Easter Bunny and tooth fairy. Here’s the quote:

        ***

        coming summer 2010:

        1) indians wearing all blue uni

        2) bucs vs. mets @ shea with both teams in pins

        3) blue broncos helmet

        4) the easter bunny & tooth fairy

        ***

        I have no chips in the game for Nos. 1, 3, and 4, but you know what Ricko says about No. 3. I don’t see why No. 1 isn’t possible; we’ll just need someone to do a Tribe tracker. Just like last summer, who knows what we’ll find.

        • Geeman | June 29, 2010 at 7:38 pm |

          And if we can’t get someone to get visuals of the all-pins affair, I’ll run over to the university library and see if it has the Times on microfilm.

          Off to watch the CWS!

      • LI Phil | June 29, 2010 at 7:38 pm |

        not santa — the tooth fairy…and we all know she he exists

    • traxel | June 30, 2010 at 6:18 am |

      http://paulsrandomst...

      Here you go. Pins on Pins.

      • Geeman | June 30, 2010 at 8:41 am |

        No, that’s not it. They wore pinstripe jerseys and pants, and it was a night game.

  • Paul Lukas | June 29, 2010 at 7:53 pm |

    Been away all day, just got home and cued up the Rays/Bosox game. Looks like few if any of the Rays are wearing the striped hose tonight.

  • kmack | June 29, 2010 at 8:34 pm |

    South Carolina’s home uni’s (pinstriped, red I believe it is) suffer from pinstripus interruptus (I think that’s what it’s called on here, right?) with their NOB nameplate (solid white).

    The play by play announcer, Mike Patrick, also just commented on how beautiful both team’s uniforms are. Said something close to “Doesn’t look like a prison softball team that you sometimes see nowadays.”

    • kmack | June 29, 2010 at 8:45 pm |

      Also found it interesting that both teams have chosen to put the CWS patch on their jerseys, but only South Carolina has put it on their hats (both hats at that, a black away cap and red(ish) maroon one). UCLA hasn’t added the patch to their caps.

      I asked about the faux button fronts on UA jerseys yesterday and Paul informed me that that is the only style UA makes, but South Carolina, at least for their home unis, must be wearing a jersey that is a few years old because I spotted an extra “o” in the “Carolina” that they have across their chest. Wasn’t extreme, but could still tell and see where they are supposed to overlap when buttoned.

  • LI Phil | June 29, 2010 at 8:38 pm |

    “Doesn’t look like a prison softball team that you sometimes see nowadays.”

    he would know?

  • LI Phil | June 29, 2010 at 10:04 pm |

    hey GEEMAN

    check your email

    • Geeman | June 30, 2010 at 8:40 am |

      Sorry — I was using an old e-mail address and can’t get it anymore. But I heard Mike Patrick’s comment last night and thought of you.

  • b-t-p-h | June 29, 2010 at 11:04 pm |

    Not just any Citadel…
    http://img803.images...

  • traxel | June 29, 2010 at 11:08 pm |

    So the Pirates wore these combos:
    Yellow over yellow http://2.bp.blogspot...
    White over white http://www.checkoutm...
    Pins over pins http://www.checkoutm...
    Black over black http://www.pghsports...
    Black over yellow http://www.beckett.c...
    Yellow over black http://www.checkoutm...
    Yellow over pins http://paulsrandomst...
    Pins over yellow http://i.cdn.turner....

    Can’t find:
    Pins over black
    Black over pins
    White with anything but white

    • Geeman | June 30, 2010 at 8:38 am |

      Ricko has all nine combinations on a flyer that he put together. They mixed and matched the pinstripes with the gold and black jerseys and pants, but never mixed the whites with the golds and blacks.

      • Bill Scheft | June 30, 2010 at 3:09 pm |

        Wasn’t there a plan afoot to one game have each of the starting nine in a different uni combo?

  • mtjaws | June 30, 2010 at 12:33 am |

    On one hand, I like how nested comments keep conversations together. But I don’t like how newest comments don’t appear at the bottom, forcing the reader to revisit all earlier comments to see if anything is new (during the talkative day). That is the main reason why I’d like them to just return to regular chronological order.

    In one of the last versions of the site before the update, when someone replied to an earlier message, if you clicked on who was replied, the page would jump up to that comment, in case you wanted to see where/when that was said. That was very helpful, and kinda relates to nesting, without the nest. Hopefully that can return if nesting is removed.

    Numbered comments would help too, because that was easy to remember when we revisit to read more comments.

    And finally, I wish the hyperlinks would open up in a new Tab, instead of hijacking this current page. All of links in the main article open in new tabs, but the links in the comments all use this same tab/window. I don’t know how the old system managed to open new tabs every time, but that would be very user-friendly.

    Thanks for asking what is preferred, or disliked, at the moment.

  • mtjaws | June 30, 2010 at 12:37 am |

    And I found another college that has used “The” on a uniform. Indian River State College here in Florida, which has the nickname, “The River”, even though their mascot is (the) Pioneers.

    http://media.tcpalm....

  • der rpm | June 30, 2010 at 1:02 am |

    you still up ricko? i used the tempalte for the upcoming 4th of july bags cards, and came up with two versions, one and two

  • Jim P | June 30, 2010 at 2:51 am |

    Has anyone seen/mentioned these pants for Clemson as seen in NCAA Football 11?

    http://image.gamespo...

  • Terry D. | June 30, 2010 at 3:17 am |

    I think those are their Pro Combat pants from last season.

  • Josh C. | June 30, 2010 at 11:42 am |

    I really like the look of the all star uni’s. Clean and crisp. It would be better without the skyline.. any of that “effect” designers try to incorporate is always ridiculous. It never shows up unless you are literally holding the uni in your hand. Nice work though.