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Stolen Signs, Recovered Memories

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Two years ago I showcased Mark Penxa and his beautiful series of “Stealing Signs” baseball watercolors. Now he’s created a hockey version of “Stealing Signs,” and as you can see above, he hasn’t lost his touch.

I was going to write about Mark’s new project, but it occurred to me that it might be more interesting to have him write something himself. He readily agreed, and I love what he’s come up with, not least because his writing style is much more stream-of-consciousness than my more linear style. I think you’ll find it really interesting. Enjoy. — Paul

You and I are Stealing Signs

By Mark Penxa

Ernie Harwell died today and all I that I can think about are cheese and mustard sandwiches.

When I learned of his passing, I had two very vivid and immediate thoughts. The first was that the reassuring voice that had been alongside me since I was a boy was now gone. The second thought was of the cheese and mustard sandwiches on pumpernickel bread that my grandmother would make for my grandfather and me whenever he took me to a Detroit Tigers game. They were awful, terrible sandwiches. Don’t tell anyone, but the first thing my grandfather did once we passed through the turnstiles was open the cooler and throw away the soggy sandwiches. I think he hated them more than I did. He would then fall to one knee and pull five dollars out of his sock and we would go straight to the hot dog stand. Then he would buy me a yearbook. This was a big deal for me. It happened every single time he took me to a game but I still held my breath in anticipation each time. “Did he remember to hide the money?” Yup, he always did.

It had been about eight or nine months since I had finished the first “Stealing Signs” project, which was an ode to my late grandfather and his baseball memories. My friend Eric had been doing this careful but awkward cheerleading routine about how I “needed to continue the series.” Eric and I had grown up skateboarding and playing hockey, and even after I broke his face playing lacrosse in the field, we somehow remained friends. His hockey nerdiness far surpasses mine. He has a small but very interesting complete collection of aesthetic rarities, mostly from the NHL Lockout season. Always a treat to obsess over.

Today was moving day. Out of the drab, worn-out apartment into my new, worn-out house. My packing list for my big move was simple and short: the Tigers cap I bought my grandfather for Christmas; the team photo I had framed for him when I was little; and my guitars, skateboards, and car keys. Everything else could burn for all I cared. Fortunately enough for my landlord, I liked him too much to set the Dumpster on fire again.

But I had plenty of old stuff at my parents’ house, which had served as sort of a storage facility. Nothing is ever thrown away, and everything is always preserved exactly as you left it. I expected to grab a few boxes of things that I would just throw away next week and maybe Mom would have bought me some cleaning supplies. That’s what I was really after. But what I ended up with was a well-organized time capsule of my childhood. It was as if I had found the world’s greatest thrift store. There were boxes marked “Baseball,” “Records,” “Skateboarding,” and “Hockey.” I couldn’t contain myself and started digging.

I struck gold with my 1989 Red Wings scrapbook that I had made from newspaper clippings about the playoffs, including this amazing photo of Sam St. Laurent getting carried off the ice by Joe Kocur. A few more gems were this pic of Tommy Hearns and a triptych illustration of what people thought the uniforms might be like in the year 2000. For whatever reason, I clipped this piece about Bob Probert and his personal demons. I was 12 at the time; I have no idea why I thought addiction was important subject to clip. I do find it interesting that all these years later it would play an important theme within “Stealing Signs II.”

Underneath the scrapbook was a small stack of Red Wings and Tigers yearbooks. I must have looked at these a thousand times as a kid, especially this one from 1994. I never read a single word or a statistic, I just marveled at the illustrations, layout, and color theories (I was never the “normal” kid). While thumbing through the Red Wings yearbooks, I was sucked into all the advertisements. For example: If anyone has a box of these aprons lying around, I want one. This Ball Park Franks ad should be made into a T-shirt (even though “offsides” call is a little disturbing). And the Jacques Demers t-shirt pictured in this JC Penney advert is just terrible. Also, I can’t help but think that the illustration in this ad, as well as in this one, may have had an effect on my artwork.

Surrounded by all these memories was haunting but exciting for the three hockey nerds in the room. There I was, with a faithful friend and my father, nerding out about the aesthetics of the game we loved. What was supposed to be a quick stop to “grab a few boxes” turned into four hours.

Growing up, my grandfather was my best friend. I’ve been told he was flawed like the rest of us, that he wasn’t always pleasant, but I never knew that man. I only knew the warm human being who would protect me from those terrible sandwiches at any cost. The man who would play endlessly long games of catch with me in baggy gray gabardine pants and would paint these grandiose portraits about baseball with his carefully carved memories.

My relationship with my father is the same. He has the same tall tales — but of another sport. The brutal, unforgiving sport that I love and that we can talk about endlessly. It was never my intention to do another “Stealing Signs” series; to me it felt like a one-time thing. But as my friend and I dug through those boxes there was a narration happening over our shoulders, an overflowing of hockey stories, one after another, being recited by my father. He loves telling them, and at that point I knew I had to continue my sentimental journey.

That first night in the new house, I set up shop as quickly as I could and started drawing. A few days later I decided to name the new series to motivate me and to give myself a goal. “Stealing Signs II: Memories from my last life; Saskatchewan, 1934.” Why 1934? I had no idea. I started researching, trying to find something to spin it in my favor but I came up with nothing. It wasn’t until Iater that I finally came up with the answer… which can be found within the Tigers team photo that I mentioned earlier. It’s a small coincidence, perhaps, but it stitches together the two art projects quite nicely.

I cannot finish this without thanking the Uni Watch faithful, with whom I have exchanged some pretty great e-mails. You too have your own stories, aesthetic opinions, and even priceless knowledge on how to convince an entire household of daughters that they love hockey too! I tried my best to keep you all in mind — I made sure to illustrate the stitches around the logos, to not toy around with the colors too much, and to make sure that Al MacInnis was a Flame and not a Blue.

Thank you all. I hope I got it right.

=========

Thank you, Mark — wonderful stuff.

Now that you know the backstory, go ahead and check out the hockey version of “Stealing Signs.” Click on the three periods plus the overtime and check out all of Mark’s magnificent paintings. I think you’ll agree that they’re as strong and evocative as anything that’s ever been featured on this site.

ESPN Reminder: In case you missed it yesterday, the first installment in my week-long run of columns about the World Cup went up yesterday afternoon (although, in a scandalous oversight, there was no mention of the kits worn by these South Korean penguins). The second installment is now available here.

Giveaway Results: The three winners of the PC-to-TV converters are Jonathan Gault, Brian Schulz, and Jennine Mara, all of whom should watch their mailboxes. Your prizes will be shipping out shortly.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Manny Parra of the Brewers has provided the latest object lesson in why button-front jerseys cause problems. That’s a strip of Velco, which was exposed — and therefore not working — during his start on Sunday night (with thanks to Matt Powers). … Here’s something you don’t often see: a white-on-white game. That’s from the Oregon 6A high school softball championship (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). … Also from Jeremy: Lots of interesting stuff from the new FIVB World League (that’s volleyball, kids), including an interesting collar and a dimpled fabric for Bulgaria; an unusual number font for Brazil; reflective NOBs for the USA and China (also note how the descender on the “J” goes below the text baseline — unusual for an NOB); two different libero uniforms — one solid-blue, one just with blue shorts — for Cuba (“First time I know of that two liberos have been used in a match,” says Jeremy); and Johnny collars for Poland and Germany. … With the World Cup about to start, I suspect we’ll be seeing lots of haircuts like this one in the weeks to come. … Saw Bryce Harper interviewed on the teevee last night (sans eye black, thankfully). Among his quotes: “Ever since I was seven years old, I’ve wanted to be the number one pick. And ever since I was seven years old, I’ve told myself I had to be the number one pick.” I know, it’s just a canned quote, but that is still really, really sad. … But not as sad as the NFL now having an official pizza.

 

183 comments to Stolen Signs, Recovered Memories

  • scott | June 8, 2010 at 7:56 am |

    Wait, is it the buttons that aren’t working, or the Velcro that isn’t working, on Parra’s jersey? This campaign against button-front jerseys in baseball has got to stop. I certainly don’t want to go back to the days of ugly pullovers.

  • Paul Lukas | June 8, 2010 at 8:05 am |

    [quote comment=”393437″]Wait, is it the buttons that aren’t working, or the Velcro that isn’t working, on Parra’s jersey?[/quote]

    Both! Or at least that was the case a few weeks ago:
    http://sports.yahoo....

  • Ricko | June 8, 2010 at 8:15 am |

    Drumroll…

    ta-DAA!!!

    http://msn.foxsports...

  • JAson | June 8, 2010 at 8:30 am |

    According to Nats GM Mike Rizzo, Bryce Harper’s warpaint will not be making it’s way to Washington. Actually, to be more accurate, to the Gulf Coast League.

    http://voices.washin...

  • Andy | June 8, 2010 at 8:35 am |

    Absolutely stunning work. Side Note: I’m glad to see Bryce Harper already knows what the game’s really about. I hope he’s a bust, since he’s already achieved his ultimate goal.

  • Chip | June 8, 2010 at 8:43 am |

    That does not look like velcro on the Brewers jerseys. It just looks like a continuation of the gold background of the Milwaukee wordmark. If it was velcro, I don’t think we would have that problem.

  • The Jeff | June 8, 2010 at 8:45 am |

    Hate to interrupt whatever the discussion is going to turn into today… but I need some help with something.

    Does anyone have a high resolution picture of the old USFL San Antonio Gunslingers logo?

    I’ve been working on creating all of the USFL teams in Backbreaker (football video game, came out like a week ago), and I can’t find a large enough version of the Gunslingers to be able to see the details well enough to recreate it.

    Pictures of a couple other teams I’ve already finished:

    http://img30.imagesh...

    http://img153.images...

    Anyone?

  • Paul Lukas | June 8, 2010 at 8:46 am |

    [quote comment=”393442″]That does not look like velcro on the Brewers jerseys. It just looks like a continuation of the gold background of the Milwaukee wordmark.[/quote]

    Look again, and closely, and you’ll see that it’s a vertical strip of Velcro ON the continuation of the gold background.

  • Sam D. | June 8, 2010 at 8:54 am |

    LOL at Bryce Harper. I hope he isn’t allowed to completely cover his face with eye black in the majors. There must be some kind of rule against it. Does anyone know?

    Also, pullovers are awesome.

  • Hank | June 8, 2010 at 9:03 am |

    So now the NFL has bland pizza to go with bland beer as sponsors. At least their consistent.

  • marc | June 8, 2010 at 9:15 am |

    Excellent work, Mark, and a great post to boot. It reminded me of my dad’s baseball stories and his love of the game. He passed when I was 10 and I didn’t know either of my grandfathers all that well. Thanks for taking me down memory lane!

  • LI Phil | June 8, 2010 at 9:20 am |

    fantastic work by mark! only looked quickly at the sketches, but i didn’t see any isles…but i loved the puck drop with the king of pop, super mario and, i want to say, stan smyl (?) during the “overtime” portion of the work

    great accompanying story, too; never saw a ballgame with my grandpa, but i imagine if i had, he’d have tossed gramma’s awful sammiches as well

    great stuff

  • yeti | June 8, 2010 at 9:20 am |

    since when is having dreams “sad”?

  • pk | June 8, 2010 at 9:27 am |

    Here’s the Isles Phil!

    http://mpenxa.typepa...

  • Paul Lukas | June 8, 2010 at 9:27 am |

    [quote comment=”393449″]since when is having dreams “sad”?[/quote]

    If you don’t see something sad about a seven-year-old being fixated on the MLB draft (something that most seven-year-olds aren’t even aware of, thankfully), I guess there’s nothing I can say that will make you see it.

    If he had been the number TWO pick, I guess his “dream” would’ve been in ruins, eh?

  • scott | June 8, 2010 at 9:29 am |

    [quote comment=”393445″]

    Also, pullovers are awesome.[/quote]

    As awesome as the Mets in black. :)

  • Chance Michaels | June 8, 2010 at 9:30 am |

    [quote comment=”393449″]since when is having dreams “sad”?[/quote]
    It’s the nature of the dream. Not “I want to throw a perfect game” or “I want to hit a walk-off home run in Game 7 of the World Series” or even “I want to get in the Hall of Fame” but “I want to be the number one pick.”

    Strange thing to focus on, especially since the accomplishment is fairly meaningless in the long run and totally incidental to the actual sport.

  • simulated steve | June 8, 2010 at 9:39 am |

    Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

    http://www.chicagotr...

  • pk | June 8, 2010 at 9:40 am |
  • yeti | June 8, 2010 at 9:45 am |

    [quote comment=”393451″][quote comment=”393449″]since when is having dreams “sad”?[/quote]

    If you don’t see something sad about a seven-year-old being fixated on the MLB draft (something that most seven-year-olds aren’t even aware of, thankfully), I guess there’s nothing I can say that will make you see it.

    If he had been the number TWO pick, I guess his “dream” would’ve been in ruins, eh?[/quote]

    who’s to say he was “most seven-year olds”, he’s certainly not most seventeen-year olds. in fact he’s not most ballplayers. in the rest of that interview he spoke of putting in time in the field, and the weight room and working hard (i know, i know, EVERYONE does that). but everyone DOESNT leave high school 2 years because the competition was substandard.

    he grew up in the information age. he had the internet and im sure knew how to operate a computer at 7 (heck in elementary school my favorite thing to read was my subscription to baseball digest). so im not sure its THAT far fetched of an idea that he knew there was a draft.

  • marc | June 8, 2010 at 9:48 am |

    [quote comment=”393453″][quote comment=”393449″]since when is having dreams “sad”?[/quote]
    It’s the nature of the dream. Not “I want to throw a perfect game” or “I want to hit a walk-off home run in Game 7 of the World Series” or even “I want to get in the Hall of Fame” but “I want to be the number one pick.”

    Strange thing to focus on, especially since the accomplishment is fairly meaningless in the long run and totally incidental to the actual sport.[/quote]

    Ah, he’s only 17… probably just telling folks what he thinks they want to hear… sounds like he just needs help with his patter.

  • Paul Lukas | June 8, 2010 at 9:54 am |

    [quote comment=”393456″][quote comment=”393451″][quote comment=”393449″]since when is having dreams “sad”?[/quote]

    If you don’t see something sad about a seven-year-old being fixated on the MLB draft (something that most seven-year-olds aren’t even aware of, thankfully), I guess there’s nothing I can say that will make you see it.

    If he had been the number TWO pick, I guess his “dream” would’ve been in ruins, eh?[/quote]

    who’s to say he was “most seven-year olds”, he’s certainly not most seventeen-year olds. in fact he’s not most ballplayers. in the rest of that interview he spoke of putting in time in the field, and the weight room and working hard (i know, i know, EVERYONE does that). but everyone DOESNT leave high school 2 years because the competition was substandard.

    he grew up in the information age. he had the internet and im sure knew how to operate a computer at 7 (heck in elementary school my favorite thing to read was my subscription to baseball digest). so im not sure its THAT far fetched of an idea that he knew there was a draft.[/quote]

    Might’ve been nice if he said he’d always wanted to be a big-league ballplayer and that being the top pick doesn’t mean diddly until he actually makes it to the show, no?

    Oh, wait: Being the top pick means you get a jillion-dollar signing bonus. Hmmmm….

    I’m not saying Harper is driven by money. But the draft isn’t about playing the game — it’s about careerism. And a seven-year-old being fixated on ANY career is, yes, sad. Doesn’t sound like much of a childhood.

  • pk | June 8, 2010 at 10:00 am |

    [sarcasm] “Ever since I was seven years old, I’ve wanted to be the number one post on UniWatch. And ever since I was seven years old, I’ve told myself I had to be the number one post.” [Sarcasm].

    Alas, I was #14 today…

  • JimWa | June 8, 2010 at 10:00 am |

    [quote comment=”393454″]Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

    http://www.chicagotr...

    What? No manufacturer’s logo on the cap? What slackers!

  • Smitty | June 8, 2010 at 10:03 am |

    The front page of today’s Washington Post Sports section features a large (more than 1/4 of the page) painting/illustration of Stephen Strasburg; here’s a link to the corresponding website, where the image can also be seen:

    http://www.washingto...

    By all means correct me if I am wrong, but I noticed few fairly obvious inconsistencies between the uniform depicted in the painting/illustration and the Nationals’ actual uniform, including the lack of a blue outline around the “curly w” on the cap; the lack of blue and red trim around the jersey; the lack of a blue outline around “Nationals” on the jersey; the lack of gold shadowing inside “Nationals” on the jersey; and the lack of Strasburg’s number (37) on the jersey at all.

    Come to think of it, I think I like the artist’s rendition better. Go Nats!

  • MPowers1634 | June 8, 2010 at 10:10 am |

    [quote comment=”393460″][quote comment=”393454″]Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

    http://www.chicagotr...

    What? No manufacturer’s logo on the cap? What slackers![/quote]

    Wilson jersey, Russell pants, Adidas trainers with no cleats?

  • MPowers1634 | June 8, 2010 at 10:11 am |

    [quote comment=”393461″]The front page of today’s Washington Post Sports section features a large (more than 1/4 of the page) painting/illustration of Stephen Strasburg; here’s a link to the corresponding website, where the image can also be seen:

    http://www.washingto...

    By all means correct me if I am wrong, but I noticed few fairly obvious inconsistencies between the uniform depicted in the painting/illustration and the Nationals’ actual uniform, including the lack of a blue outline around the “curly w” on the cap; the lack of blue and red trim around the jersey; the lack of a blue outline around “Nationals” on the jersey; the lack of gold shadowing inside “Nationals” on the jersey; and the lack of Strasburg’s number (37) on the jersey at all.

    Come to think of it, I think I like the artist’s rendition better. Go Nats![/quote]

    Major league debut…against the Pirates???

  • LI Phil | June 8, 2010 at 10:13 am |

    [quote comment=”393461″]
    By all means correct me if I am wrong, but I noticed few fairly obvious inconsistencies between the uniform depicted in the painting/illustration and the Nationals’ actual uniform, including the lack of a blue outline around the “curly w” on the cap; the lack of blue and red trim around the jersey; the lack of a blue outline around “Nationals” on the jersey; the lack of gold shadowing inside “Nationals” on the jersey; and the lack of Strasburg’s number (37) on the jersey at all.[/quote]

    correct spelling of the team name

  • yeti | June 8, 2010 at 10:13 am |

    [quote comment=”393458″][quote comment=”393456″][quote comment=”393451″][quote comment=”393449″]since when is having dreams “sad”?[/quote]

    If you don’t see something sad about a seven-year-old being fixated on the MLB draft (something that most seven-year-olds aren’t even aware of, thankfully), I guess there’s nothing I can say that will make you see it.

    If he had been the number TWO pick, I guess his “dream” would’ve been in ruins, eh?[/quote]

    who’s to say he was “most seven-year olds”, he’s certainly not most seventeen-year olds. in fact he’s not most ballplayers. in the rest of that interview he spoke of putting in time in the field, and the weight room and working hard (i know, i know, EVERYONE does that). but everyone DOESNT leave high school 2 years because the competition was substandard.

    he grew up in the information age. he had the internet and im sure knew how to operate a computer at 7 (heck in elementary school my favorite thing to read was my subscription to baseball digest). so im not sure its THAT far fetched of an idea that he knew there was a draft.[/quote]

    Might’ve been nice if he said he’d always wanted to be a big-league ballplayer and that being the top pick doesn’t mean diddly until he actually makes it to the show, no?

    Oh, wait: Being the top pick means you get a jillion-dollar signing bonus. Hmmmm….

    I’m not saying Harper is driven by money. But the draft isn’t about playing the game — it’s about careerism. And a seven-year-old being fixated on ANY career is, yes, sad. Doesn’t sound like much of a childhood.[/quote]

    the seven-year old may know of the draft, but does that same seven-year old know what “careerism” is?

    im just sayin’, when i was that young, i had these dreams in basketball, but moreso baseball. i wanted to play shortstop and wear #1, and as early as i can remember, i knew that i couldnt do that for the phillies because ashburn had it retired (and im in 2nd grade at the time).

    i didnt grow up in the media age, so coverage was next to nothing for sport drafts, but these kids now see it online, cable tv, sport and conference specific channels and numerous other media outlets.

    no, its not sad if going number 1 was a dream of his. it only becomes sad if that dream and how he had to achieve it over the last 4 years was mapped by someone other than himself. i dont know if his parents are earl woods, marv marinovich, or “fill in the blank tennis prodigy” parent (im looking at you richard williams). only then it becomes an unfortunate commentary on vicarious living.

  • Smitty | June 8, 2010 at 10:15 am |

    [quote comment=”393464″][quote comment=”393461″]
    By all means correct me if I am wrong, but I noticed few fairly obvious inconsistencies between the uniform depicted in the painting/illustration and the Nationals’ actual uniform, including the lack of a blue outline around the “curly w” on the cap; the lack of blue and red trim around the jersey; the lack of a blue outline around “Nationals” on the jersey; the lack of gold shadowing inside “Nationals” on the jersey; and the lack of Strasburg’s number (37) on the jersey at all.[/quote]

    correct spelling of the team name[/quote]

    Ha! See, the future is bright!

  • QPR Shooter 459 | June 8, 2010 at 10:19 am |

    How about a Uni Watch design contest for a new US soccer uniform badge? It always seems to me that there are plenty of talented artists in the UW family.

  • marc | June 8, 2010 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment=”393464″][quote comment=”393461″]
    By all means correct me if I am wrong, but I noticed few fairly obvious inconsistencies between the uniform depicted in the painting/illustration and the Nationals’ actual uniform, including the lack of a blue outline around the “curly w” on the cap; the lack of blue and red trim around the jersey; the lack of a blue outline around “Nationals” on the jersey; the lack of gold shadowing inside “Nationals” on the jersey; and the lack of Strasburg’s number (37) on the jersey at all.[/quote]

    correct spelling of the team name[/quote]

    There’s a first time for everything.

  • JimV19 | June 8, 2010 at 10:42 am |

    [quote comment=”393443″]Hate to interrupt whatever the discussion is going to turn into today… but I need some help with something.

    Does anyone have a high resolution picture of the old USFL San Antonio Gunslingers logo?

    I’ve been working on creating all of the USFL teams in Backbreaker (football video game, came out like a week ago), and I can’t find a large enough version of the Gunslingers to be able to see the details well enough to recreate it.

    Pictures of a couple other teams I’ve already finished:

    http://img30.imagesh...

    http://img153.images...

    Anyone?[/quote]

    It is a noble quest you are on, my friend.

    This is the best one I could find, but you’ve probably come across it already.
    http://www.finnmedia...

    I’ll see if I have a picture of the logo somewhere around here.

  • Ry Co 40 | June 8, 2010 at 10:56 am |

    [quote comment=”393463″][quote comment=”393461″]The front page of today’s Washington Post Sports section features a large (more than 1/4 of the page) painting/illustration of Stephen Strasburg; here’s a link to the corresponding website, where the image can also be seen:

    http://www.washingto...

    By all means correct me if I am wrong, but I noticed few fairly obvious inconsistencies between the uniform depicted in the painting/illustration and the Nationals’ actual uniform, including the lack of a blue outline around the “curly w” on the cap; the lack of blue and red trim around the jersey; the lack of a blue outline around “Nationals” on the jersey; the lack of gold shadowing inside “Nationals” on the jersey; and the lack of Strasburg’s number (37) on the jersey at all.

    Come to think of it, I think I like the artist’s rendition better. Go Nats![/quote]

    Major league debut…against the Pirates???[/quote]

    “Yup, we’ve got uniforms and everything, it’s really great!”

  • JimV19 | June 8, 2010 at 11:00 am |

    Mark, not an NHL fan, but your stuff is very good. That Michael Jackson painting is very cool.

    Now, for the World Cup crack panel, I’m with you on most of your grades, but Slovenia deserves a lot more love than you’re giving them (especially you, Patrick). I thought it was one of the better looks so far:
    http://host3441.mytr...
    http://farm5.static....

    Y’all probably don’t like my all-time favorite uni, either:
    http://www.goalseatt...

    I also like Algeria’s away kits and England’s unis.

  • EricRomain | June 8, 2010 at 11:12 am |

    I remember that Red Wings contest to draw what hockey players will look like in the future! Looking at the middle drawing, Those are the trendy reebok sock designs!

  • Ry Co 40 | June 8, 2010 at 11:22 am |

    GREAT post today guys! took me back to when i was a kid… even the boat pic! i have a pic of me and my dad’s dad sitting on a dock in ocean city crabbin’ that just looks like an extension of your picture. really cool

  • LI Phil | June 8, 2010 at 11:24 am |

    [quote comment=”393475″]GREAT post today guys! took me back to when i was a kid… even the boat pic! i have a pic of me and my dad’s dad sitting on a dock in ocean city crabbin’ that just looks like an extension of your picture. really cool[/quote]

    so that would be a pic of you and your grandfather then?

  • Jules | June 8, 2010 at 11:28 am |

    Nice play on lyrics to a Tegan and Sara/DJ Tiesto song “Feel It In My Bones” with that opening graphic design Mark.

  • Ry Co 40 | June 8, 2010 at 11:31 am |

    these were just handed out at work for our new parking spaces. i was amongst the first, so naturally:

    http://picasaweb.goo...

    the nice lady handing them out said “numbers don’t mean anything”

    ha! wanna bet?

  • Ricko | June 8, 2010 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”393460″][quote comment=”393454″]Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

    http://www.chicagotr...

    What? No manufacturer’s logo on the cap? What slackers![/quote]

    Unless those stirrups are made with front and back stirrups the same height (as some mistakenly ARE these days), his are on backwards.

    —Ricko

  • StLMarty | June 8, 2010 at 11:32 am |

    I don’t even know where to begin with Mark Penxa. So rad.

  • Andy11 | June 8, 2010 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”393458″][quote comment=”393456″][quote comment=”393451″][quote comment=”393449″]since when is having dreams “sad”?[/quote]

    If you don’t see something sad about a seven-year-old being fixated on the MLB draft (something that most seven-year-olds aren’t even aware of, thankfully), I guess there’s nothing I can say that will make you see it.

    If he had been the number TWO pick, I guess his “dream” would’ve been in ruins, eh?[/quote]

    who’s to say he was “most seven-year olds”, he’s certainly not most seventeen-year olds. in fact he’s not most ballplayers. in the rest of that interview he spoke of putting in time in the field, and the weight room and working hard (i know, i know, EVERYONE does that). but everyone DOESNT leave high school 2 years because the competition was substandard.

    he grew up in the information age. he had the internet and im sure knew how to operate a computer at 7 (heck in elementary school my favorite thing to read was my subscription to baseball digest). so im not sure its THAT far fetched of an idea that he knew there was a draft.[/quote]

    Might’ve been nice if he said he’d always wanted to be a big-league ballplayer and that being the top pick doesn’t mean diddly until he actually makes it to the show, no?

    Oh, wait: Being the top pick means you get a jillion-dollar signing bonus. Hmmmm….

    I’m not saying Harper is driven by money. But the draft isn’t about playing the game — it’s about careerism. And a seven-year-old being fixated on ANY career is, yes, sad. Doesn’t sound like much of a childhood.[/quote]

    You’re looking at the draft from a “grown-up” perspective…
    Think of captains choosing players for kick ball games at recess. The kid who’s picked first is generally the best player.
    Now think of that 7 year old who wants to be chosen first at recess dreaming about when it’s time for baseball teams to choose players. Saying, “I want to be chosen first in the draft” probably just means, to a 7 year old, “I want to be the best”. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with wanting to be the best at what you do.

  • KT | June 8, 2010 at 11:34 am |

    Vancouver Whitecaps are unveiling their new logo and brand right now live. Watch here:

    http://www.ustream.t...

  • Ry Co 40 | June 8, 2010 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment=”393476″][quote comment=”393475″]GREAT post today guys! took me back to when i was a kid… even the boat pic! i have a pic of me and my dad’s dad sitting on a dock in ocean city crabbin’ that just looks like an extension of your picture. really cool[/quote]

    so that would be a pic of you and your grandfather then?[/quote]

    i never called him my “grandfather” and didn’t want to explain the nick-name we called him. so i usually just go with that

  • LI Phil | June 8, 2010 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”393479″][quote comment=”393460″][quote comment=”393454″]Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

    http://www.chicagotr...

    What? No manufacturer’s logo on the cap? What slackers![/quote]

    Unless those stirrups are made with front and back stirrups the same height (as some mistakenly ARE these days), his are on backwards.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    no (and thanks for pointing that out, was gonna mention it but forgot)…

    they’re on backwards

  • KT | June 8, 2010 at 11:44 am |

    If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...

  • M.Princip | June 8, 2010 at 11:48 am |

    [quote comment=”393461″]The front page of today’s Washington Post Sports section features a large (more than 1/4 of the page) painting/illustration of Stephen Strasburg; here’s a link to the corresponding website, where the image can also be seen:

    http://www.washingto...

    By all means correct me if I am wrong, but I noticed few fairly obvious inconsistencies between the uniform depicted in the painting/illustration and the Nationals’ actual uniform, including the lack of a blue outline around the “curly w” on the cap; the lack of blue and red trim around the jersey; the lack of a blue outline around “Nationals” on the jersey; the lack of gold shadowing inside “Nationals” on the jersey; and the lack of Strasburg’s number (37) on the jersey at all.

    Come to think of it, I think I like the artist’s rendition better. Go Nats![/quote]

    That illustration is kinda creepy. Put a little blood on him and he’s a zombie.

  • KT | June 8, 2010 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment=”393486″]That illustration is kinda creepy. Put a little blood on him and he’s a zombie.[/quote]

    The zed word! Don’t say it!

    Why not?

    Because it’s ridiculous!

  • Ricko | June 8, 2010 at 11:51 am |

    [quote comment=”393475″]GREAT post today guys! took me back to when i was a kid… even the boat pic! i have a pic of me and my dad’s dad sitting on a dock in ocean city crabbin’ that just looks like an extension of your picture. really cool[/quote]

    On of my favorite images of baseball comes from the celebation of Sammy Sosa hitting his 62nd at Wrigley. WGN cut to a shot of a young father standing in the bleachers with his son (maybe 2 or 3 years old) sitting on his shoulders. Tears were streaming down the dad’s face. Not, I’m sure, at the emotion of seeing (what we thought then) a historic home run, but at knowing that he had been able to share the moment with his boy.

    My favorite quote about baseball and kids? Shortly after one of baseball’s first work stoppages many, many years ago, play resumed and a Red Sox executive (whose name I can’t remember) looked out at the crowd and said, “Who are we kidding, anyway; this game really belongs to the nine-year-olds with the stars in their eyes.”

    Sadly, I’m not sure it does anymore. At least not as much as it once did.

    —Ricko

  • Jet | June 8, 2010 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=\”393448\”]fantastic work by mark! only looked quickly at the sketches, but i didn\’t see any isles..

    [/quote]

    You missed the one with Joey Kocur punching the blood out of some poor Icelanders face??? heh heh

    -Jet

  • interlockingtc | June 8, 2010 at 11:55 am |

    Mark Penxa: I’ve said it once, I’ll say it again…

    Your work is brilliant.

    Thanks, Paul, for showcasing his talent.

  • Paul Lukas | June 8, 2010 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=”393456″]I don’t think there’s anything wrong with wanting to be the best at what you do.[/quote]

    But he’s NOT the best! That’s why they’re sending him to the Gulf Coast League. If he was the best, he’d be batting clean-up tomorrow.

    Will he eventually become the best? Maybe. But that’s not his stated goal. His stated goal, now realized, was simply to be the number one pick in the amateur draft.

    That’s why his “dream” is so weird, and so sad. It’s not about being the best ballplayer — it’s about the moment when he turns professional. He could blow out his knee tomorrow, and no problem — dream already accomplished!

    At this point we’re probably over-analyzing what was most likely a throwaway comment, so I’m gonna stop commenting on this topic. I’ll leave you with this: Every year people ask me why I don’t write about the uniforms in the Little League World Series, and every year I explain that I think the level of coverage around the LLWS is unhealthy (both for the kids and for our culture in general) and that I prefer not to contribute to that. I see Harper’s comment in the same vein.

  • JTH | June 8, 2010 at 12:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...
    Whitecaps refers to breaking waves with crests of foam, right? So naturally their logo depicts mountains reflected in what is apparently perfectly still water…

  • Ricko | June 8, 2010 at 12:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”393481″][quote comment=”393458″][quote comment=”393456″][quote comment=”393451″][quote comment=”393449″]since when is having dreams “sad”?[/quote]

    If you don’t see something sad about a seven-year-old being fixated on the MLB draft (something that most seven-year-olds aren’t even aware of, thankfully), I guess there’s nothing I can say that will make you see it.

    If he had been the number TWO pick, I guess his “dream” would’ve been in ruins, eh?[/quote]

    who’s to say he was “most seven-year olds”, he’s certainly not most seventeen-year olds. in fact he’s not most ballplayers. in the rest of that interview he spoke of putting in time in the field, and the weight room and working hard (i know, i know, EVERYONE does that). but everyone DOESNT leave high school 2 years because the competition was substandard.

    he grew up in the information age. he had the internet and im sure knew how to operate a computer at 7 (heck in elementary school my favorite thing to read was my subscription to baseball digest). so im not sure its THAT far fetched of an idea that he knew there was a draft.[/quote]

    Might’ve been nice if he said he’d always wanted to be a big-league ballplayer and that being the top pick doesn’t mean diddly until he actually makes it to the show, no?

    Oh, wait: Being the top pick means you get a jillion-dollar signing bonus. Hmmmm….

    I’m not saying Harper is driven by money. But the draft isn’t about playing the game — it’s about careerism. And a seven-year-old being fixated on ANY career is, yes, sad. Doesn’t sound like much of a childhood.[/quote]

    You’re looking at the draft from a “grown-up” perspective…
    Think of captains choosing players for kick ball games at recess. The kid who’s picked first is generally the best player.
    Now think of that 7 year old who wants to be chosen first at recess dreaming about when it’s time for baseball teams to choose players. Saying, “I want to be chosen first in the draft” probably just means, to a 7 year old, “I want to be the best”. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with wanting to be the best at what you do.[/quote]

    Here’s the issue with it, I think.

    If it’s Harper’s ONLY goal, then he’s already realized his life’s dream at 17 and, psychologically speaking, everything from now on could be (will be?) downhill.

    If it’s first on a LIST of goals, then not so bad.

    —Ricko

  • LarenR | June 8, 2010 at 12:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”393491″][quote comment=”393456″]I don’t think there’s anything wrong with wanting to be the best at what you do.[/quote]

    But he’s NOT the best! That’s why they’re sending him to the Gulf Coast League. If he was the best, he’d be batting clean-up tomorrow.

    Will he eventually become the best? Maybe. But that’s not his stated goal. His stated goal, now realized, was simply to be the number one pick in the amateur draft.

    That’s why his “dream” is so weird, and so sad. It’s not about being the best ballplayer — it’s about the moment when he turns professional. He could blow out his knee tomorrow, and no problem — dream already accomplished!

    At this point we’re probably over-analyzing what was most likely a throwaway comment, so I’m gonna stop commenting on this topic. I’ll leave you with this: Every year people ask me why I don’t write about the uniforms in the Little League World Series, and every year I explain that I think the level of coverage around the LLWS is unhealthy (both for the kids and for our culture in general) and that I prefer not to contribute to that. I see Harper’s comment in the same vein.[/quote]
    Besides, if he wants to eventually be the best, maybe being the #1 pick wasn’t the best place to start.

  • Jet | June 8, 2010 at 12:05 pm |

    Call me crazy, but cheese and mustard on pumpernickel actually sounds good to me. I suppose it needed to be eaten immediately or else the mustard made everything soggy. Couldn’t have been any worse than the “crunch” sandwiches I used to make as a kid — pretzels(!), cheese slice and ketchup on white bread!!!!

    -Jet

  • pk | June 8, 2010 at 12:09 pm |

    gotta love those phillies fans!

    http://www.foxnews.c...

    at least his undershirt matches the jersey

  • yeti | June 8, 2010 at 12:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”393491″][quote comment=”393456″]I don’t think there’s anything wrong with wanting to be the best at what you do.[/quote]

    But he’s NOT the best! That’s why they’re sending him to the Gulf Coast League. If he was the best, he’d be batting clean-up tomorrow.

    Will he eventually become the best? Maybe. But that’s not his stated goal. His stated goal, now realized, was simply to be the number one pick in the amateur draft.

    That’s why his “dream” is so weird, and so sad. It’s not about being the best ballplayer — it’s about the moment when he turns professional. He could blow out his knee tomorrow, and no problem — dream already accomplished!

    At this point we’re probably over-analyzing what was most likely a throwaway comment, so I’m gonna stop commenting on this topic. I’ll leave you with this: Every year people ask me why I don’t write about the uniforms in the Little League World Series, and every year I explain that I think the level of coverage around the LLWS is unhealthy (both for the kids and for our culture in general) and that I prefer not to contribute to that. I see Harper’s comment in the same vein.[/quote]

    over-analyzing im sure, in fact, it could be debated that it was an over-analysis from the beginning.

    he IS the best. this was a draft of first year players THIS YEAR. out of that pool, he was the best according to the washington nationals (and probably most other teams). he isnt the best if you compare him to ALL of professional baseball from rookie league to mlb. but those players werent involved in the draft.

    to be chosen #1, was a dream/goal, and yes it was realized. however im not sure it his ONLY goal.

  • KT | June 8, 2010 at 12:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”393492″][quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...
    Whitecaps refers to breaking waves with crests of foam, right? So naturally their logo depicts mountains reflected in what is apparently perfectly still water…[/quote]

    Their most recent logo had the whole wave and foam crest thing. They’ve had that one for years, but are going minimalist now for their move to MLS.

    The New York Jets don’t have an airplane in their logo, the New Orleans Saints don’t have a saint in theirs, there’s no raw gold on the Denver Nuggets’ logo and no (longer) any boats on the LA Clippers’ logo. There’s no (longer) a friar on the San Diego Padres’ logo and no lawman on the Texas Rangers’ logo.

    Just sayin’.

    Also, Bryce Harper is a teenager and teenagers say lots of things. How he acts when he gets to pro ball is going to say more about him. If he keeps acting like he’s been acting, someone’s going to put him on his behind pretty quickly.

  • LarenR | June 8, 2010 at 12:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”393497″][quote comment=”393491″][quote comment=”393456″]I don’t think there’s anything wrong with wanting to be the best at what you do.[/quote]

    But he’s NOT the best! That’s why they’re sending him to the Gulf Coast League. If he was the best, he’d be batting clean-up tomorrow.

    Will he eventually become the best? Maybe. But that’s not his stated goal. His stated goal, now realized, was simply to be the number one pick in the amateur draft.

    That’s why his “dream” is so weird, and so sad. It’s not about being the best ballplayer — it’s about the moment when he turns professional. He could blow out his knee tomorrow, and no problem — dream already accomplished!

    At this point we’re probably over-analyzing what was most likely a throwaway comment, so I’m gonna stop commenting on this topic. I’ll leave you with this: Every year people ask me why I don’t write about the uniforms in the Little League World Series, and every year I explain that I think the level of coverage around the LLWS is unhealthy (both for the kids and for our culture in general) and that I prefer not to contribute to that. I see Harper’s comment in the same vein.[/quote]

    over-analyzing im sure, in fact, it could be debated that it was an over-analysis from the beginning.

    he IS the best. this was a draft of first year players THIS YEAR. out of that pool, he was the best according to the washington nationals (and probably most other teams). he isnt the best if you compare him to ALL of professional baseball from rookie league to mlb. but those players werent involved in the draft.

    to be chosen #1, was a dream/goal, and yes it was realized. however im not sure it his ONLY goal.[/quote]
    Sorry to drag this out, but going back and rereading the quotation, it occurs to me the sad part isn’t wanting to be #1, it’s the second sentence: “…I’ve told myself I had to be the number one pick.” Wanting to be #1 is a reasonable goal along the path to stardom, but needing to be #1 is a little bit warped.

  • JimWa | June 8, 2010 at 12:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”393498″][quote comment=”393492″][quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...
    Whitecaps refers to breaking waves with crests of foam, right? So naturally their logo depicts mountains reflected in what is apparently perfectly still water…[/quote]

    Their most recent logo had the whole wave and foam crest thing. They’ve had that one for years, but are going minimalist now for their move to MLS.

    The New York Jets don’t have an airplane in their logo, the New Orleans Saints don’t have a saint in theirs, there’s no raw gold on the Denver Nuggets’ logo and no (longer) any boats on the LA Clippers’ logo. There’s no (longer) a friar on the San Diego Padres’ logo and no lawman on the Texas Rangers’ logo.

    Just sayin’.

    Also, Bryce Harper is a teenager and teenagers say lots of things. How he acts when he gets to pro ball is going to say more about him. If he keeps acting like he’s been acting, someone’s going to put him on his behind pretty quickly.[/quote]

    Pretty sure the question is not whether a wave should be in the logo, but instead, why replace it with a mountain? There’s no friar in the Padres logo anymore, but there’s not a cheesburger there, either.

  • The Jeff | June 8, 2010 at 12:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”393498″][quote comment=”393492″][quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...
    Whitecaps refers to breaking waves with crests of foam, right? So naturally their logo depicts mountains reflected in what is apparently perfectly still water…[/quote]

    Their most recent logo had the whole wave and foam crest thing. They’ve had that one for years, but are going minimalist now for their move to MLS.

    The New York Jets don’t have an airplane in their logo, the New Orleans Saints don’t have a saint in theirs, there’s no raw gold on the Denver Nuggets’ logo and no (longer) any boats on the LA Clippers’ logo. There’s no (longer) a friar on the San Diego Padres’ logo and no lawman on the Texas Rangers’ logo.

    Just sayin’.
    [/quote]

    …and yet every one of those logos would be better if they DID have those elements. (ok maybe not the Saints, only because I don’t know how you’d depict a saint in logo form)

    A bad logo is a bad logo.

  • JimWa | June 8, 2010 at 12:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”393501″][quote comment=”393498″][quote comment=”393492″][quote comment=”393485″]

    (ok maybe not the Saints, only because I don’t know how you’d depict a saint in logo form)

    [/quote]

    Don’t think it hasn’t been tried …

    http://www.lonvig.dk...

  • JTH | June 8, 2010 at 12:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”393498″]The New York Jets don’t have an airplane in their logo, the New Orleans Saints don’t have a saint in theirs, there’s no raw gold on the Denver Nuggets’ logo and no (longer) any boats on the LA Clippers’ logo. There’s no (longer) a friar on the San Diego Padres’ logo and no lawman on the Texas Rangers’ logo.

    Just sayin’.[/quote]
    But there is (the suggestion of) water in the Whitecaps’ logo. And that water is perfectly still.

    Just sayin’.

  • Gusto44 | June 8, 2010 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”393463″][quote comment=”393461″]The front page of today’s Washington Post Sports section features a large (more than 1/4 of the page) painting/illustration of Stephen Strasburg; here’s a link to the corresponding website, where the image can also be seen:

    http://www.washingto...

    By all means correct me if I am wrong, but I noticed few fairly obvious inconsistencies between the uniform depicted in the painting/illustration and the Nationals’ actual uniform, including the lack of a blue outline around the “curly w” on the cap; the lack of blue and red trim around the jersey; the lack of a blue outline around “Nationals” on the jersey; the lack of gold shadowing inside “Nationals” on the jersey; and the lack of Strasburg’s number (37) on the jersey at all.

    Come to think of it, I think I like the artist’s rendition better. Go Nats![/quote]

    Major league debut…against the Pirates???[/quote]

    Hey, it could be worse. The Orioles, Indians, and Astros all own worse records.

  • Ben Fortney | June 8, 2010 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...

    Like it. Unique and abstract way to represent the mountains and the ocean (the defining image of Vancouver in my head.) Good stuff.

  • Ben Fortney | June 8, 2010 at 12:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”393492″][quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...
    Whitecaps refers to breaking waves with crests of foam, right? So naturally their logo depicts mountains reflected in what is apparently perfectly still water…[/quote]

    Whitecaps can also mean the tops of mountains. I took the inverted Vs as both mountains and waves

  • Mike Engle | June 8, 2010 at 12:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”393506″][quote comment=”393492″][quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...
    Whitecaps refers to breaking waves with crests of foam, right? So naturally their logo depicts mountains reflected in what is apparently perfectly still water…[/quote]

    Whitecaps can also mean the tops of mountains. I took the inverted Vs as both mountains and waves[/quote]
    I just like the proliferation of V’s. Hope the V’s don’t infest the uniforms like the Canucks, but nice crest.

  • LI Phil | June 8, 2010 at 12:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”393504″]

    Hey, it could be worse. The Orioles, Indians, and Astros all own worse records.[/quote]

    right and they all have less world series titles too…

    of course, they’ve all also owned at least one winning season in the past 17 seasons

    but we won’t talk about that

  • Ben Fortney | June 8, 2010 at 12:39 pm |

    Re Harper:

    I think it was a throwaway comment, since they asked him about the draft, he said his dream was #1 pick. If he’d just won an ice cream eating contest, he probably would’ve said winning the Breyer’s invitational was his dream.

    The only article I’ve really read about the kid was the SI cover, and it seems that he wants to be the best ballplayer… there are steps to achieve that, #1 pick is an affirmation that he’s on the right track.

    Would it have been so tacky if he just got himself a 4 year scholarship to UCLA or USC and said he always wanted the free ride?

  • Ben Fortney | June 8, 2010 at 12:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”393507″][quote comment=”393506″][quote comment=”393492″][quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...
    Whitecaps refers to breaking waves with crests of foam, right? So naturally their logo depicts mountains reflected in what is apparently perfectly still water…[/quote]

    I just read the text from that link (instead of a quick observation.) The VW underneath the wordmark is genius too, possibly the 2ndary logo?

    This might be the best new logo I’ve seen in a minute.

    Whitecaps can also mean the tops of mountains. I took the inverted Vs as both mountains and waves[/quote]
    I just like the proliferation of V’s. Hope the V’s don’t infest the uniforms like the Canucks, but nice crest.[/quote]

  • Ben Fortney | June 8, 2010 at 12:43 pm |

    odd, quote came through but no text. try again…

    I just read the text from that link (instead of looking at the pretty picture.) blogger points out the interlocking VW underneath the wordmark. great move, possibly a 2ndary logo.

    This might be my favorite new logo.

  • Ben Fortney | June 8, 2010 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”393467″]How about a Uni Watch design contest for a new US soccer uniform badge? It always seems to me that there are plenty of talented artists in the UW family.[/quote]

    they should go with something like the Team USA shield

    Can’t give the olympic designers enough credit for going retro, the Ralph Lauren Polo sweaters from the Winter Games included

  • Teebz | June 8, 2010 at 12:50 pm |

    Mark has done some wonderful work. I’ve been fixated on several of the images for a while (but they’ve already been sold).

    Well done, Mark, and be prepared for HBIC to contact you in the near future!

  • marc | June 8, 2010 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”393491″]every year I explain that I think the level of coverage around the LLWS is unhealthy (both for the kids and for our culture in general).[/quote]

    A-f**king-men. I absolutely hate that ESPN and the like broadcast any event featuring kids as participants (LLWS, Spelling Bee, etc.).

  • pru | June 8, 2010 at 1:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”393506″][quote comment=”393492″][quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...
    Whitecaps refers to breaking waves with crests of foam, right? So naturally their logo depicts mountains reflected in what is apparently perfectly still water…[/quote]

    Whitecaps can also mean the tops of mountains. I took the inverted Vs as both mountains and waves[/quote]

    Beat me to it…When I first saw it, the thought of whitecapped waves didnt even enter my mind. Vancouver=Canada=Snow in May…at least that’s the reason I give my Canadian wife for not moving there.

  • JimV19 | June 8, 2010 at 1:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”393505″][quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...

    Like it. Unique and abstract way to represent the mountains and the ocean (the defining image of Vancouver in my head.) Good stuff.[/quote]

    Slovenia would approve, eh?
    http://www.travlang....
    http://farm5.static....

  • JTH | June 8, 2010 at 1:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”393515″][quote comment=”393506″][quote comment=”393492″][quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...
    Whitecaps refers to breaking waves with crests of foam, right? So naturally their logo depicts mountains reflected in what is apparently perfectly still water…[/quote]

    Whitecaps can also mean the tops of mountains. I took the inverted Vs as both mountains and waves[/quote]

    Beat me to it…When I first saw it, the thought of whitecapped waves didnt even enter my mind. Vancouver=Canada=Snow in May…at least that’s the reason I give my Canadian wife for not moving there.[/quote]
    Whitecaps can refer to the tops of mountains? If you guys say so. I’ve never heard that expression before. Snowcaps? Yes.

    Find me an instance of the word whitecap referring to a snow-covered mountaintop and I’ll shut up about this logo that I’ll probably never think about again in my life.

  • The Jeff | June 8, 2010 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”393517″][quote comment=”393515″][quote comment=”393506″][quote comment=”393492″][quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...
    Whitecaps refers to breaking waves with crests of foam, right? So naturally their logo depicts mountains reflected in what is apparently perfectly still water…[/quote]

    Whitecaps can also mean the tops of mountains. I took the inverted Vs as both mountains and waves[/quote]

    Beat me to it…When I first saw it, the thought of whitecapped waves didnt even enter my mind. Vancouver=Canada=Snow in May…at least that’s the reason I give my Canadian wife for not moving there.[/quote]
    Whitecaps can refer to the tops of mountains? If you guys say so. I’ve never heard that expression before. Snowcaps? Yes.

    Find me an instance of the word whitecap referring to a snow-covered mountaintop and I’ll shut up about this logo that I’ll probably never think about again in my life.[/quote]

    http://www.skiwhitec...

    Does the Whitecap Mountains ski resort count?

  • Ray | June 8, 2010 at 1:19 pm |

    In response to the Redskins naming story regarding the Lone Star Dietz. Here is a 4 part series (2004) at Indian Country Today that asks the question, was Wm. ‘Lone Star’ Dietz really a Native American? The answer may surprise everyone.
    http://www.aistm.org...

  • Johnny O | June 8, 2010 at 1:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”393444″][quote comment=”393442″]That does not look like velcro on the Brewers jerseys. It just looks like a continuation of the gold background of the Milwaukee wordmark.[/quote]

    Look again, and closely, and you’ll see that it’s a vertical strip of Velcro ON the continuation of the gold background.[/quote]

    It is indeed velcro on the continuation of the gold striping. I have mentioned this with screen grabs a few times on here before, but I guess with Sunday’s game being Nationally televised, more people got a chance to see it. It isn’t an issue just with Parra, it is an issue with all the “Milwaukee” unis. I have contacted the Brewers on this, and they said sometimes the players players un-do just the velcro to let them breathe a bit, other times, it just happens to un-do on its own. Just another reason it the league should go to pull-overs.

  • JimV19 | June 8, 2010 at 1:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”393501″][quote comment=”393498″][quote comment=”393492″][quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...
    Whitecaps refers to breaking waves with crests of foam, right? So naturally their logo depicts mountains reflected in what is apparently perfectly still water…[/quote]

    Their most recent logo had the whole wave and foam crest thing. They’ve had that one for years, but are going minimalist now for their move to MLS.

    The New York Jets don’t have an airplane in their logo, the New Orleans Saints don’t have a saint in theirs, there’s no raw gold on the Denver Nuggets’ logo and no (longer) any boats on the LA Clippers’ logo. There’s no (longer) a friar on the San Diego Padres’ logo and no lawman on the Texas Rangers’ logo.

    Just sayin’.
    [/quote]

    …and yet every one of those logos would be better if they DID have those elements. (ok maybe not the Saints, only because I don’t know how you’d depict a saint in logo form)

    A bad logo is a bad logo.[/quote]

    Just put a halo above the fleur de lis?

  • LI Phil | June 8, 2010 at 1:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”393520″]other times, it just happens to un-do on its own. Just another reason it the league should go to pull-overs.[/quote]

    or the players could actually, ya know…learn how to properly dress

  • KT | June 8, 2010 at 1:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”393500″]Pretty sure the question is not whether a wave should be in the logo, but instead, why replace it with a mountain? There’s no friar in the Padres logo anymore, but there’s not a cheesburger there, either.[/quote]

    Never been to Vancouver, I guess.

  • Ry Co 40 | June 8, 2010 at 1:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”393517″][quote comment=”393515″][quote comment=”393506″][quote comment=”393492″][quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...
    Whitecaps refers to breaking waves with crests of foam, right? So naturally their logo depicts mountains reflected in what is apparently perfectly still water…[/quote]

    Whitecaps can also mean the tops of mountains. I took the inverted Vs as both mountains and waves[/quote]

    Beat me to it…When I first saw it, the thought of whitecapped waves didnt even enter my mind. Vancouver=Canada=Snow in May…at least that’s the reason I give my Canadian wife for not moving there.[/quote]
    Whitecaps can refer to the tops of mountains? If you guys say so. I’ve never heard that expression before. Snowcaps? Yes.

    Find me an instance of the word whitecap referring to a snow-covered mountaintop and I’ll shut up about this logo that I’ll probably never think about again in my life.[/quote]

    mountain tops were the first thing i thought of too…

  • KT | June 8, 2010 at 1:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”393501″]…and yet every one of those logos would be better if they DID have those elements. [/quote]

    In your opinion.

    Which is, at the end of the day, what ever single discussion here comes back to. If the Jets went back to this, would it, by your logic, be a “better logo?”

    And the official explanation from the club:

    “This new logo and brand takes into account the rich history and tradition that we have established as a club, while providing a fresh representation of one of the most beautiful cities in the world,” said Whitecaps FC president Bob Lenarduzzi. “The new brand and logo not only engages our many fans that have supported us since 1974, it will also engage new fans to our club and to the MLS with a symbol that truly reflects Vancouver and the incredible landscape that makes this city unique.”

    The new logo sees the words ‘Vancouver Whitecaps FC’ written in white on a deep sea blue background, with the renowned mountains of Vancouver’s north shore sitting above the club’s name in white and reflecting down on the city’s waterfront – below the club name. The colour used to symbolize the refection of the mountains on the waterfront is a lighter blue or “Whitecaps blue”, which pays tribute to the primary colour on the club’s logo worn during the historic 1979 Soccer Bowl championship. Lining the new mark is the colour silver, a distinct nod to the club’s numerous championship titles that have been won since 1974.

    And, again, at the end of the day, everybody thinks their opinion should carry more weight than the fans who actually have to deal with a certain brand identity every day. If Vancouverites like it, great. It’s meant for them, not you.

  • The Jeff | June 8, 2010 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”393522″][quote comment=”393520″]other times, it just happens to un-do on its own. Just another reason it the league should go to pull-overs.[/quote]

    or the players could actually, ya know…learn how to properly dress[/quote]

    I think you’re just afraid of losing ticker material if the league goes to pullovers. We lose a valuable source for velcro disasters button problems and mis-aligned team names if the league made the switch…and we don’t want that, do we?

    /mostly not serious…mostly

  • Mark Penxa | June 8, 2010 at 1:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”393477″]Nice play on lyrics to a Tegan and Sara/DJ Tiesto song “Feel It In My Bones” with that opening graphic design Mark.[/quote]

    Jules, now that’s a hell of a catch! Well played. Heavy tune.

    Thanks for the nice words everyone. I appreciate it so much.

  • Matthew Robins | June 8, 2010 at 1:50 pm |

    So ugly, and such a jinx: http://www.shop.com/...

  • Matthew Robins | June 8, 2010 at 1:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”393528″]So ugly, and such a jinx: http://www.shop.com/...

    Try this: http://tinyurl.com/2...

  • LI Phil | June 8, 2010 at 1:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”393526″]

    I think you’re just afraid of losing ticker material if the league goes to pullovers.
    /mostly not serious…mostly[/quote]

    yeah…that is the reason i’m opposed

    /deadly serious…deadly

  • The Jeff | June 8, 2010 at 2:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”393525″][quote comment=”393501″]…and yet every one of those logos would be better if they DID have those elements. [/quote]

    In your opinion.

    Which is, at the end of the day, what ever single discussion here comes back to. If the Jets went back to this, would it, by your logic, be a “better logo?”
    [/quote]

    Considering the love that the swinging friar gets, or the complaints about how plain the Clippers logo is… or the fact that the Jazz have brought the music notes back… I don’t think it’s just *my* opinion. Surely one can argue about the logic behind a logo that has absolutely nothing to do with a team’s name, can’t they? If you’re watching a basketball game and a 7yr old kid asks you “what’s a Clipper?” and you tell them it’s type of boat… it isn’t much of a stretch for the kid to then ask “well then why don’t they have a boat on their jerseys?”

    Sure it’s all about the local fans and the logos don’t have to make sense… but if a logo doesn’t make sense or isn’t logical, it can be justifiably considered “bad”, even if it’s well liked.

  • Ricko | June 8, 2010 at 2:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”393521″][quote comment=”393501″][quote comment=”393498″][quote comment=”393492″][quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...
    Whitecaps refers to breaking waves with crests of foam, right? So naturally their logo depicts mountains reflected in what is apparently perfectly still water…[/quote]

    Their most recent logo had the whole wave and foam crest thing. They’ve had that one for years, but are going minimalist now for their move to MLS.

    The New York Jets don’t have an airplane in their logo, the New Orleans Saints don’t have a saint in theirs, there’s no raw gold on the Denver Nuggets’ logo and no (longer) any boats on the LA Clippers’ logo. There’s no (longer) a friar on the San Diego Padres’ logo and no lawman on the Texas Rangers’ logo.

    Just sayin’.
    [/quote]

    …and yet every one of those logos would be better if they DID have those elements. (ok maybe not the Saints, only because I don’t know how you’d depict a saint in logo form)

    A bad logo is a bad logo.[/quote]

    Just put a halo above the fleur de lis?[/quote]

    Did I miss something? Is there an 11th Commandment? “Thou shalt have only logos that represent the nickname.”

    A logo can’t be about the city, or other geographic element?

    Thinking of the fleur de lis, for example, which is far more about New Orleans than it is about saints.

    Come on, people, let’s think this through a little.

    How ’bout that big “B” on the Bruins? I don’t see no bear there. Oh, wait, the “B” is the hub of the wheel. Don’t they call Boston “The Hub,” or something.
    The Golden State Warriors have worn a bridge and a cable car, correct?
    Denver Nuggets once used the Denver skyline with nary a nugget in sight.
    Space needle was in the Sonics’ original logo.

    A logo is not, repeat NOT, always automatically better if it portrays the nickname. That’s just one possible approach.

    —Ricko

  • pk | June 8, 2010 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”393531″][quote comment=”393525″][quote comment=”393501″]…and yet every one of those logos would be better if they DID have those elements. [/quote]

    In your opinion.

    Which is, at the end of the day, what ever single discussion here comes back to. If the Jets went back to this, would it, by your logic, be a “better logo?”
    [/quote]

    Considering the love that the swinging friar gets, or the complaints about how plain the Clippers logo is… or the fact that the Jazz have brought the music notes back… I don’t think it’s just *my* opinion. Surely one can argue about the logic behind a logo that has absolutely nothing to do with a team’s name, can’t they? If you’re watching a basketball game and a 7yr old kid asks you “what’s a Clipper?” and you tell them it’s type of boat… it isn’t much of a stretch for the kid to then ask “well then why don’t they have a boat on their jerseys?[/quote]

    Then why isn’t there a “Met”?

    Team names are supposed to fun…not literal…

    I love the fact that the UTAH JAZZ is an oxymoron…and the people apparently like it to

  • Gusto44 | June 8, 2010 at 2:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”393508″][quote comment=”393504″]

    Hey, it could be worse. The Orioles, Indians, and Astros all own worse records.[/quote]

    right and they all have less world series titles too…

    of course, they’ve all also owned at least one winning season in the past 17 seasons

    but we won’t talk about that[/quote]

    It’s a bad streak, but in the big picture, the great moments have far outnumbered the bad.

  • Christopher | June 8, 2010 at 2:15 pm |

    Maybe I was unlike most 7 year olds, but I remember distinctly wanting a career or job that made lots of money.

    Heck, I remember wanting to be a car salesman merely because I figured they sold expensive stuff and thusly made more money.

    It wasn’t until I was older that I *then* got the notion that there’s more to life’s goals than money.

    I didn’t know much of any drafts really (well, a little bit because my dad was a geek about baseball and followed prospects.) However, I could have seen myself dreaming of being picked #1 in the draft and all the adulation that comes with it. And money!

    I’m sure the dude has lots of dreams, and I don’t see “making lots of money” being *one* of them as wrong.

    (Sorry if I’m harping on a topic that’s been played to death.)

  • JTH | June 8, 2010 at 2:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”393525″]And, again, at the end of the day, everybody thinks their opinion should carry more weight than the fans who actually have to deal with a certain brand identity every day. If Vancouverites like it, great. It’s meant for them, not you.[/quote]
    Kenn,

    Did you have a hand in the logo’s design? You seem to be personally offended that we’re not united in our love for it.

    And I don’t know if your “…everybody thinks their opinion should carry more weight than the fans who actually have to deal…” was even directed at me, but what evidence of that kind of holier-than-thou attitude are you basing that statement on? Plus, you seem to be implying that we don’t even have the right to an opinion.

    And when you linked to your blog post, did you expect everyone to just read it, move on and not give their thoughts on the new logo?

    For the record, I didn’t even say it’s a bad logo. I was simply pointing out its ironic nature.

  • JimV19 | June 8, 2010 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”393532″][quote comment=”393521″][quote comment=”393501″]…and yet every one of those logos would be better if they DID have those elements. (ok maybe not the Saints, only because I don’t know how you’d depict a saint in logo form)

    A bad logo is a bad logo.[/quote]

    Just put a halo above the fleur de lis?[/quote]

    Did I miss something? Is there an 11th Commandment? “Thou shalt have only logos that represent the nickname.”

    A logo can’t be about the city, or other geographic element?

    Thinking of the fleur de lis, for example, which is far more about New Orleans than it is about saints.

    Come on, people, let’s think this through a little.

    How ’bout that big “B” on the Bruins? I don’t see no bear there. Oh, wait, the “B” is the hub of the wheel. Don’t they call Boston “The Hub,” or something.
    The Golden State Warriors have worn a bridge and a cable car, correct?
    Denver Nuggets once used the Denver skyline with nary a nugget in sight.
    Space needle was in the Sonics’ original logo.

    A logo is not, repeat NOT, always automatically better if it portrays the nickname. That’s just one possible approach.[/quote]

    I don’t have a problem with the Saints logo. Love it, in fact.

    Just posing a solution to The Jeff’s comment. A halo would be a good touch, but I’m not advocating any change here.

  • Christopher | June 8, 2010 at 2:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”393532″][quote comment=”393521″][quote comment=”393501″][quote comment=”393498″][quote comment=”393492″][quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...
    Whitecaps refers to breaking waves with crests of foam, right? So naturally their logo depicts mountains reflected in what is apparently perfectly still water…[/quote]

    Their most recent logo had the whole wave and foam crest thing. They’ve had that one for years, but are going minimalist now for their move to MLS.

    The New York Jets don’t have an airplane in their logo, the New Orleans Saints don’t have a saint in theirs, there’s no raw gold on the Denver Nuggets’ logo and no (longer) any boats on the LA Clippers’ logo. There’s no (longer) a friar on the San Diego Padres’ logo and no lawman on the Texas Rangers’ logo.

    Just sayin’.
    [/quote]

    …and yet every one of those logos would be better if they DID have those elements. (ok maybe not the Saints, only because I don’t know how you’d depict a saint in logo form)

    A bad logo is a bad logo.[/quote]

    Just put a halo above the fleur de lis?[/quote]

    Did I miss something? Is there an 11th Commandment? “Thou shalt have only logos that represent the nickname.”

    A logo can’t be about the city, or other geographic element?

    Thinking of the fleur de lis, for example, which is far more about New Orleans than it is about saints.

    Come on, people, let’s think this through a little.

    How ’bout that big “B” on the Bruins? I don’t see no bear there. Oh, wait, the “B” is the hub of the wheel. Don’t they call Boston “The Hub,” or something.
    The Golden State Warriors have worn a bridge and a cable car, correct?
    Denver Nuggets once used the Denver skyline with nary a nugget in sight.
    Space needle was in the Sonics’ original logo.

    A logo is not, repeat NOT, always automatically better if it portrays the nickname. That’s just one possible approach.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Heck, one could say that protraying the nickname literally is more lazy than coming up with something original or simpler.

  • Andy | June 8, 2010 at 2:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”393532″][quote comment=”393521″][quote comment=”393501″][quote comment=”393498″][quote comment=”393492″][quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...
    Whitecaps refers to breaking waves with crests of foam, right? So naturally their logo depicts mountains reflected in what is apparently perfectly still water…[/quote]

    Their most recent logo had the whole wave and foam crest thing. They’ve had that one for years, but are going minimalist now for their move to MLS.

    The New York Jets don’t have an airplane in their logo, the New Orleans Saints don’t have a saint in theirs, there’s no raw gold on the Denver Nuggets’ logo and no (longer) any boats on the LA Clippers’ logo. There’s no (longer) a friar on the San Diego Padres’ logo and no lawman on the Texas Rangers’ logo.

    Just sayin’.
    [/quote]

    …and yet every one of those logos would be better if they DID have those elements. (ok maybe not the Saints, only because I don’t know how you’d depict a saint in logo form)

    A bad logo is a bad logo.[/quote]

    Just put a halo above the fleur de lis?[/quote]

    Did I miss something? Is there an 11th Commandment? “Thou shalt have only logos that represent the nickname.”

    A logo can’t be about the city, or other geographic element?

    Thinking of the fleur de lis, for example, which is far more about New Orleans than it is about saints.

    Come on, people, let’s think this through a little.

    How ’bout that big “B” on the Bruins? I don’t see no bear there. Oh, wait, the “B” is the hub of the wheel. Don’t they call Boston “The Hub,” or something.
    The Golden State Warriors have worn a bridge and a cable car, correct?
    Denver Nuggets once used the Denver skyline with nary a nugget in sight.
    Space needle was in the Sonics’ original logo.

    A logo is not, repeat NOT, always automatically better if it portrays the nickname. That’s just one possible approach.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Thank you for this generous helping of sanity. Some people just don’t understand that it’s not always optimum to be hit over the head with the message of the design. Sometimes the subtlety is what makes the message really communicate.

    Would you rather your logo sing beautifully on key, like the Bruins’ logo, or yell at the top of its lungs like that old Jets’ logo? Neither one is right or wrong, they’re two totally different paths to get to the same place. One simply can’t dismiss all non-literal logos as ‘bad.’

  • Mark Penxa | June 8, 2010 at 2:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”393495″]Call me crazy, but cheese and mustard on pumpernickel actually sounds good to me. I suppose it needed to be eaten immediately or else the mustard made everything soggy. Couldn’t have been any worse than the “crunch” sandwiches I used to make as a kid — pretzels(!), cheese slice and ketchup on white bread!!!!

    -Jet[/quote]

    Jet,
    I am certain the cheese was government issue, an unforgettable taste, and I wouldn’t put it past my Gran to have tried to make her own mustard to save a few cents. I would be willing to bet that she also made them three days early.

    Your “Crunch” Sandwich sounds absolutely terrifying.

  • mike 2 | June 8, 2010 at 2:34 pm |

    Whitecaps logo – I like it a lot. A logo doesn’t have to be a rebus puzzle for the name. I’m a little surprised they didn’t work any green into the design (as in the Canucks, Seahawks, Sounders) but that isn’t a flaw at all.

    Strasberg – maybe this kid is the real deal, but I also remember David Clyde and the parallels are pretty striking.

    http://www.nytimes.c...

  • StLMarty | June 8, 2010 at 2:34 pm |

    I have yet to hear the Cowboys mentioned in the logo debate. Why do they get a lone star? Dallas isn’t the whole state.
    I guess a more accurate logo for them wouldn’t be appropriate. It would involve full frontal nudity. Male frontal nudity.

  • CJ | June 8, 2010 at 2:37 pm |

    I don’t nitpick very much, but in the ESPN article on the World Cup kits, Doug mentioned how Germany’s change kits used to be green in reference to Ireland being the first team to play them after World War 2.

    Not only is that an urban legend, but demonstrably false. The Swiss were the first to play them.

  • The Jeff | June 8, 2010 at 2:40 pm |

    I just opened one of those pandora boxes didn’t I?

    Look… there’s generally about 3 types of logos.

    The first type is representing the team name – the Lions, the Bears, Vikings, most teams, actually.

    The second, represent the local area in some fairly obvious way – the Cowboys (the star for the lone star state) the Warriors and the bridge or cable car logos… the Mets and the city skyline… those are usually fine, though I prefer the first type – the Jazz notes are better in my view than the Jazz mountains.

    These types can be good or bad subjectively based on the design and really are nothing more than an argument about opinions.

    Then there’s the 3rd type – the generic logo that represents nothing, which are bad by default. The Jets, for example, fall into that category.

    There’s no jet or plane in the logo. There’s nothing representing New York in the logo.. no statue of liberty or an apple or the Empire State Building… nothing. It’s just text in an oval. It’s a bad logo. Jets fans may love it, good for them, it’s still bad. It could be a good design – but it’s a bad logo, and yes there’s a difference.

    Obviously there’s some exceptions if you have a team name that is more abstract.

  • JTH | June 8, 2010 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”393544″]There’s nothing representing New York in the logo.. no statue of liberty or an apple or the Empire State Building… nothing. It’s just text in an oval.[/quote]
    Well, it has the letters “NY” in it. Don’t they represent New York?

    Or did you mean this logo?

  • Thomps | June 8, 2010 at 2:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”393512″][quote comment=”393467″]How about a Uni Watch design contest for a new US soccer uniform badge? It always seems to me that there are plenty of talented artists in the UW family.[/quote]

    they should go with something like the Team USA shield

    Can’t give the olympic designers enough credit for going retro, the Ralph Lauren Polo sweaters from the Winter Games included[/quote]

    I think a design contest would be great! Simple color modifications would go a long way, as mentioned recently.

    Project 2010 has a great crest that could work.

    http://www.project-2...

    It is similar to the current badge, combining equal parts retro feel and modern design.

    It also gives USA soccer a historical tie-in, which I so deperately want. Its a gorgeous shout-out to the “Join or Die” 1754 cartoon by Ben Franklin himself and the Naval Jack.

    http://en.wikipedia....

    http://bentpage.file...

    In other words, I love it!

  • Chance Michaels | June 8, 2010 at 2:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”393544″]Then there’s the 3rd type – the generic logo that represents nothing, which are bad by default. The Jets, for example, fall into that category.

    There’s no jet or plane in the logo. There’s nothing representing New York in the logo.. no statue of liberty or an apple or the Empire State Building… nothing. It’s just text in an oval. It’s a bad logo. Jets fans may love it, good for them, it’s still bad. It could be a good design – but it’s a bad logo, and yes there’s a difference.

    Obviously there’s some exceptions if you have a team name that is more abstract.[/quote]
    I’m not a big fan of the Jets’ logo, but only because it’s too busy.

    You can’t say that there’s nothing “New York” about it – it does feature “NY” right on it. If that’s insufficiently local, then a whole range of logos will be disqualified.

    Personally, I would rather they used this, which is no more “New Yorky” than the current one under that criteria, but is to my eye a far more pleasing design.

  • M.Princip | June 8, 2010 at 2:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”393540″][quote comment=”393495″]Call me crazy, but cheese and mustard on pumpernickel actually sounds good to me. I suppose it needed to be eaten immediately or else the mustard made everything soggy. Couldn’t have been any worse than the “crunch” sandwiches I used to make as a kid — pretzels(!), cheese slice and ketchup on white bread!!!!

    -Jet[/quote]

    Jet,
    I am certain the cheese was government issue, an unforgettable taste, and I wouldn’t put it past my Gran to have tried to make her own mustard to save a few cents. I would be willing to bet that she also made them three days early.

    Your “Crunch” Sandwich sounds absolutely terrifying.[/quote]

    It’s really the ketchup that’s the nauseating bit for me. Oh man! Put in some mustard and I’d be alright with it.

    You simply can’t go wrong with PB&J. However, nowadays I’ve replaced my PB with AB(almond butter).

    Here’s a tip, mix about a tablespoon of almond butter in your pasta sauce. Gives it a very rich healthy consistency, almost like cheese. Throw in some Moroccan olives for that extra bit of flavor. Make sure you use all natural almond butter, no added bullshit or sweeteners.

  • Chance Michaels | June 8, 2010 at 2:56 pm |

    US Soccer already has a perfect crest, for the reasons Thomps mentioned.

    They just don’t use it.

  • Chance Michaels | June 8, 2010 at 3:00 pm |

    But if US Soccer won’t use “Don’t Tread on Me,” at least somebody is:

    http://www.pennsteli...

  • M.Princip | June 8, 2010 at 3:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”393541″]Whitecaps logo – I like it a lot. A logo doesn’t have to be a rebus puzzle for the name. I’m a little surprised they didn’t work any green into the design (as in the Canucks, Seahawks, Sounders) but that isn’t a flaw at all.

    [/quote]

    I like the Whitecaps new logo as well. I really liked the old Timbers logo/crest, so I’m hoping they don’t screw it up. That’s revealed this Saturday, right?

    http://portlandtimbe...

  • Chance Michaels | June 8, 2010 at 3:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”393550″]But if US Soccer won’t use “Don’t Tread on Me,” at least somebody is:[/quote]

    Argh – bad link.

    Here ’tis.

  • The Jeff | June 8, 2010 at 3:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”393549″]US Soccer already has a perfect crest, for the reasons Thomps mentioned.

    They just don’t use it.[/quote]

    They should to take the Nike logo off the main shield and use it as the snake’s tongue. It’d be subtle enough people wouldn’t notice it and you’d have some great subliminal advertising going on.

  • Thomps | June 8, 2010 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”393549″]US Soccer already has a perfect crest, for the reasons Thomps mentioned.

    They just don’t use it.[/quote]

    Amen. I dont necessairly think we need a soccer ball in our logo, it seems a bit like the NBA where every team must blatantly show that they play basketball. We must get rid of the rocket ball regardless. The segemented snake is way cooler to me than the coiled snake a la the Gadsen flag.

  • Chance Michaels | June 8, 2010 at 3:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”393551″][quote comment=”393541″]Whitecaps logo – I like it a lot. A logo doesn’t have to be a rebus puzzle for the name. I’m a little surprised they didn’t work any green into the design (as in the Canucks, Seahawks, Sounders) but that isn’t a flaw at all.

    [/quote]

    I like the Whitecaps new logo as well. I really liked the old Timbers logo/crest, so I’m hoping they don’t screw it up. That’s revealed this Saturday, right?

    http://portlandtimbe...

    Yep. But they’ve already given us clues.

    1. They’re keeping the circular shape.
    2. The t-axe will remain, “breaking free of the confines of our original crest”.
    3. The tree-chevrons will remain, but will be reduced to three, one for each league the Timbers have played in.
    4. Green and gold are out in favor of two shades of green.

  • Thomps | June 8, 2010 at 3:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”393554″][quote comment=”393549″]US Soccer already has a perfect crest, for the reasons Thomps mentioned.

    They just don’t use it.[/quote]

    Amen. I dont necessairly think we need a soccer ball in our logo, it seems a bit like the NBA where every team must blatantly show that they play basketball. We must get rid of the rocket ball regardless. The segemented snake is way cooler to me than the coiled snake a la the Gadsen flag.[/quote]

    Also, no swoosh on the crest whatsover. We cant remove it from the right breast, but we sure as heck can keep it off the national crest.

  • LI Phil | June 8, 2010 at 3:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”393553″][quote comment=”393549″]US Soccer already has a perfect crest, for the reasons Thomps mentioned.

    They just don’t use it.[/quote]

    They should to take the Nike logo off the main shield and use it as the snake’s tongue. It’d be subtle enough people wouldn’t notice it and you’d have some great subliminal advertising going on.[/quote]

    like so?

  • Chance Michaels | June 8, 2010 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”393556″][quote comment=”393554″][quote comment=”393549″]US Soccer already has a perfect crest, for the reasons Thomps mentioned.

    They just don’t use it.[/quote]

    Amen. I dont necessairly think we need a soccer ball in our logo, it seems a bit like the NBA where every team must blatantly show that they play basketball. We must get rid of the rocket ball regardless. The segemented snake is way cooler to me than the coiled snake a la the Gadsen flag.[/quote]

    Also, no swoosh on the crest whatsover. We cant remove it from the right breast, but we sure as heck can keep it off the national crest.[/quote]
    True enough. Didn’t notice that was there – just grabbed the first one on Google Images.

  • Thomas | June 8, 2010 at 3:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”393542″]I have yet to hear the Cowboys mentioned in the logo debate. Why do they get a lone star? Dallas isn’t the whole state.[/quote]

    Basically, people from Dallas like to pretend that the rest of Texas doesn’t exist. They consider themselves the sole representatives of Texas, and this spills through to their sports teams.

    – The Rangers are the second MLB team in the state. So of course, calling themselves the TEXAS Rangers made sense.

    – The Dallas Stars established a new AHL affiliate outside of Austin. Apparently, even though the Houston Aeros have been around for 16 years now and the San Antonio Rampage were here first, the name “TEXAS Stars” made sense to them.

    But hey, we got the Texans. Suck it, Dallas.

    – T.J. (a disgruntled Houstonian)

  • Ry Co 40 | June 8, 2010 at 3:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”393546″][quote comment=”393512″][quote comment=”393467″]How about a Uni Watch design contest for a new US soccer uniform badge? It always seems to me that there are plenty of talented artists in the UW family.[/quote]

    they should go with something like the Team USA shield

    Can’t give the olympic designers enough credit for going retro, the Ralph Lauren Polo sweaters from the Winter Games included[/quote]

    I think a design contest would be great! Simple color modifications would go a long way, as mentioned recently.

    Project 2010 has a great crest that could work.

    http://www.project-2...

    It is similar to the current badge, combining equal parts retro feel and modern design.

    It also gives USA soccer a historical tie-in, which I so deperately want. Its a gorgeous shout-out to the “Join or Die” 1754 cartoon by Ben Franklin himself and the Naval Jack.

    http://en.wikipedia....

    http://bentpage.file...

    In other words, I love it![/quote]

    just get rid of those eff-ing stars…

  • Joe D | June 8, 2010 at 3:44 pm |

    The Tampa Bay Rowdies’ mascot (which I think it’s safe to say is UniWatch’s favorite mascot) will be named in an online poll. Wouldn’t it be great if we all voted and got the mascot named “Stripes?”

    http://fctampabay.co...

    And if you still haven’t seen their mascot, here he (it?) is…
    http://fctampabay.co...

  • Chris B. | June 8, 2010 at 3:45 pm |

    if it hasn’t been linked to above, here is the front image of The Washington Post’s Sports section instead of huntign to find it.

    http://www.washingto...

  • Christopher | June 8, 2010 at 3:47 pm |

    Looking at that Tampa Bay Rowdies thing got me thinking. Why do US MLS teams feel the need to name their teams in such a European way. Using “FC” and “Real” and the like.

    It seems insincere and phony to me.

  • Mark | June 8, 2010 at 3:48 pm |

    Look… there’s generally about 3 types of logos.

    The first type is representing the team name – the Lions, the Bears, Vikings, most teams, actually.

    The second, represent the local area in some fairly obvious way – the Cowboys (the star for the lone star state) the Warriors and the bridge or cable car logos… the Mets and the city skyline… those are usually fine, though I prefer the first type – the Jazz notes are better in my view than the Jazz mountains.

    These types can be good or bad subjectively based on the design and really are nothing more than an argument about opinions.

    Then there’s the 3rd type – the generic logo that represents nothing, which are bad by default. The Jets, for example, fall into that category.

    Then there’s Buffalo… our logos don’t represent the team name, they don’t represent the local area (never been any actual *buffalo* around here), and they’re not “generic”, either – how many other cities base their logo on their city name without using the name itself (i.e. NY for New York)?

  • Mark | June 8, 2010 at 3:49 pm |

    Crap, screwed up the tag…

  • mike 2 | June 8, 2010 at 3:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”393563″]Looking at that Tampa Bay Rowdies thing got me thinking. Why do US MLS teams feel the need to name their teams in such a European way. Using “FC” and “Real” and the like.

    It seems insincere and phony to me.[/quote]

    I like it – I think it recognizes the traditions of the sport better. It says “this is not your traditional North American sports league”.

    That said, using FC or Real together with a nickname (as in FC Tampa Bay Rowdies) seems strange to me. It should be either FC Tampa Bay or Tampa Bay Rowdies.

  • another Josh | June 8, 2010 at 4:01 pm |

    What I thought was funny about the Manny Parra jersey incident was during the mound meeting in the 6th inning where he was getting pulled for Bush, someone (the catcher, maybe) fixed his jersey just in time for him to leave the game. Just reached right out and pushed the velcro closed right before the manager came to take the ball from him.

  • warren thompson | June 8, 2010 at 4:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”393495″]Call me crazy, but cheese and mustard on pumpernickel actually sounds good to me. I suppose it needed to be eaten immediately or else the mustard made everything soggy.

    -Jet[/quote]

    Indeed, though it depends on the variety of mustard, cheese, and pumpernickle.

  • JimWa | June 8, 2010 at 4:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”393568″][quote comment=”393495″]Call me crazy, but cheese and mustard on pumpernickel actually sounds good to me. I suppose it needed to be eaten immediately or else the mustard made everything soggy.

    -Jet[/quote]

    Indeed, though it depends on the variety of mustard, cheese, and pumpernickle.[/quote]

    I agree. Sounds like and EXCELLENT sandwich. As long as there’s some honey ham or corned beef on it, as well.

  • Ricko | June 8, 2010 at 4:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”393564″] Look… there’s generally about 3 types of logos.

    The first type is representing the team name – the Lions, the Bears, Vikings, most teams, actually.

    The second, represent the local area in some fairly obvious way – the Cowboys (the star for the lone star state) the Warriors and the bridge or cable car logos… the Mets and the city skyline… those are usually fine, though I prefer the first type – the Jazz notes are better in my view than the Jazz mountains.

    These types can be good or bad subjectively based on the design and really are nothing more than an argument about opinions.

    Then there’s the 3rd type – the generic logo that represents nothing, which are bad by default. The Jets, for example, fall into that category.

    Then there’s Buffalo… our logos don’t represent the team name, they don’t represent the local area (never been any actual *buffalo* around here), and they’re not “generic”, either – how many other cities base their logo on their city name without using the name itself (i.e. NY for New York)?[/quote]

    And sometimes the task is borderline impossible, so you go with a graphic that “feels’ right…or with something geographic.

    For example…quick, draw us an Astro.

    Or an Expo.

    One’s a prefix, the other’s a contraction/verbal shorthand.

    That moves you to Plan B rather quickly.

    Also, lest we bash the Cowboys for using the Star on their helmets, remember than the Colt .45s had a Texas flag patch on their left sleeve, and when they became the Astros added a star to both the hat and the front of the home jerseys.

    The Cowboys’ logo wasn’t originally the star, anyway. That was just a graphic for the unis. The logo was a chaps-wearing cartoon football player on horseback.

    In both cases, their “Texas” coming through wasn’t about claiming the entire state…was more about Texas as the first NFL and MLB teams IN the state.

    And the Dallas Texans had the whole state with a gold star at Dallas. Hmmm…isn’t Austin the state capital?

    Anyway, was more about Texas pride at being in the bigs than about saying “We claim all of Texas.”

    Now, “Texas” Rangers…when the Astros had already been around awhile…that might be a bit more presumptuous. Especially because the “Dallas Rangers” had been a AAA team, and that name had served them just fine.

    Didn’t “Eagles” have a far longer history in Dallas. For minor league baseball, that is?

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | June 8, 2010 at 4:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”393570″]
    Now, “Texas” Rangers…when the Astros had already been around awhile…that might be a bit more presumptuous.[/quote]

    i blame the first washington d.c. team to relocate for this “lets all name ourselves after a state instead of a city/region” stuff…

    in minnesota’s case, i spose it was better than calling the team the “twin cities ____”

    but texas? what’s their excuse?

  • concealed78 | June 8, 2010 at 4:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”393571″]

    but texas? what’s their excuse?[/quote]

    Weren’t they named after the state police? And nobody ever calls them “the New York City Yankees” or “the New York City Mets”. I never understood how New York could get away without saying that.

  • mike 2 | June 8, 2010 at 4:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”393571″][quote comment=”393570″]
    Now, “Texas” Rangers…when the Astros had already been around awhile…that might be a bit more presumptuous.[/quote]

    i blame the first washington d.c. team to relocate for this “lets all name ourselves after a state instead of a city/region” stuff…

    in minnesota’s case, i spose it was better than calling the team the “twin cities ____”

    but texas? what’s their excuse?[/quote]

    Dallas – Fort Worth – Arlington?

  • Chance Michaels | June 8, 2010 at 4:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”393572″][quote comment=”393571″]

    but texas? what’s their excuse?[/quote]

    Weren’t they named after the state police? And nobody ever calls them “the New York City Yankees” or “the New York City Mets”. I never understood how New York could get away without saying that.[/quote]
    Because “New York City” isn’t the city’s official name.

    Formally, it is “The City of New York,” or simply “New York“, altough “NYC” and “New York City” are in wide useage (including by the city) to separate us from the state.

  • joe | June 8, 2010 at 4:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”393517″][quote comment=”393515″][quote comment=”393506″][quote comment=”393492″][quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...
    Whitecaps refers to breaking waves with crests of foam, right? So naturally their logo depicts mountains reflected in what is apparently perfectly still water…[/quote]

    Whitecaps can also mean the tops of mountains. I took the inverted Vs as both mountains and waves[/quote]

    Beat me to it…When I first saw it, the thought of whitecapped waves didnt even enter my mind. Vancouver=Canada=Snow in May…at least that’s the reason I give my Canadian wife for not moving there.[/quote]
    Whitecaps can refer to the tops of mountains? If you guys say so. I’ve never heard that expression before. Snowcaps? Yes.

    Find me an instance of the word whitecap referring to a snow-covered mountaintop and I’ll shut up about this logo that I’ll probably never think about again in my life.[/quote]
    whitecap mountain in WI.

  • Ricko | June 8, 2010 at 5:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”393572″][quote comment=”393571″]

    but texas? what’s their excuse?[/quote]

    Weren’t they named after the state police? And nobody ever calls them “the New York City Yankees” or “the New York City Mets”. I never understood how New York could get away without saying that.[/quote]

    That’s why I mentioned that the Dallas Rangers had been around in the minors, that it wouldn’t have been totally odd for them NOT to be Texas Rangers. But, yeah, so they did think about seeming to exclude Fort Worth.

    Come to think of it, one of the last versions was the Dallas-Fort Worth Rangers. Red hats with white “DFW”. Think Ebbets Field Flannels carries that hat at one time. Not sure about now.

    Now, see, in TODAY’S world, they could have chosen “Metroplex Rangers.”

    How cool would THAT be.

    “City” gets dropped all the time in reference to New York…in the vernacular. Really no big deal. For example, it isn’t the New York City Stock Exchange, is it?

    Someone says, “I’m flying to New York tomorrow.” Does anyone ask, “Rochester or Buffalo?”

    —Ricko

  • warren thompson | June 8, 2010 at 5:02 pm |

    Dallas, big Dallas, city of Big Tex, big hair, big mouths, big egos, and the playground of Jerry Jones, an obscenely rich Arkansan to whom even obscenely rich Texans can’t hold the proverbial candle.

    [Herewith full disclosure: I’m a native San Antonian. Thus I’m legally prohibited from saying anything nice about Dallas. ;)]

  • yeti | June 8, 2010 at 5:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”393535″]Maybe I was unlike most 7 year olds, but I remember distinctly wanting a career or job that made lots of money.

    Heck, I remember wanting to be a car salesman merely because I figured they sold expensive stuff and thusly made more money.

    It wasn’t until I was older that I *then* got the notion that there’s more to life’s goals than money.

    I didn’t know much of any drafts really (well, a little bit because my dad was a geek about baseball and followed prospects.) However, I could have seen myself dreaming of being picked #1 in the draft and all the adulation that comes with it. And money!

    I’m sure the dude has lots of dreams, and I don’t see “making lots of money” being *one* of them as wrong.

    (Sorry if I’m harping on a topic that’s been played to death.)[/quote]

    dont apologize. this is an open forum as i remember and only 1 person mentioned that it was “played to death” not in those words though.

    those of us who wanted to be a pro athlete and who grew up in an era where athletes salaries were high, at one point or another said to their parents, “when i make the pro’s, im gonna buy you a new car and a new house.” i know i did.

  • JTH | June 8, 2010 at 5:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”393575″][quote comment=”393517″][quote comment=”393515″][quote comment=”393506″][quote comment=”393492″][quote comment=”393485″]If you missed it, here’s Vancouver’s new logo:

    http://www.kenn.com/...
    Whitecaps refers to breaking waves with crests of foam, right? So naturally their logo depicts mountains reflected in what is apparently perfectly still water…[/quote]

    Whitecaps can also mean the tops of mountains. I took the inverted Vs as both mountains and waves[/quote]

    Beat me to it…When I first saw it, the thought of whitecapped waves didnt even enter my mind. Vancouver=Canada=Snow in May…at least that’s the reason I give my Canadian wife for not moving there.[/quote]
    Whitecaps can refer to the tops of mountains? If you guys say so. I’ve never heard that expression before. Snowcaps? Yes.

    Find me an instance of the word whitecap referring to a snow-covered mountaintop and I’ll shut up about this logo that I’ll probably never think about again in my life.[/quote]
    whitecap mountain in WI.[/quote]
    Yeah, that was mentioned. If you could see me now, you’d notice how red my face is for not remembering the obvious connection between that famous ski resort in Wisconsin with the new soccer team in British Columbia.

  • Seth H | June 8, 2010 at 5:37 pm |

    Lot’s of people see “V’s” in the new Whitecaps logo. I see them, but I also see “V W” in the bottom — Vancouver Whitecaps.

  • LI Phil | June 8, 2010 at 5:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”393577″]

    Someone says, “I’m flying to New York tomorrow.” Does anyone ask, “Rochester or Buffalo?”[/quote]

    that’s because they’re not really part of new york…those are *upstate*

    full disclosure: i went to college *upstate* (tho not in either rottenchester or buffaslug)

  • Kurt Allen | June 8, 2010 at 5:38 pm |

    Is it just me, or does it look a lot like Strasburg’s name is on the FRONT OF HIS UNIFORM…

  • concealed78 | June 8, 2010 at 7:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”393583″]Is it just me, or does it look a lot like Strasburg’s name is on the FRONT OF HIS UNIFORM…[/quote]

    That’s the Harrisburg Senators affiliate. Which has the superior nickname of the franchise.

  • LI Phil | June 8, 2010 at 7:45 pm |

    if anyone is interested (and isn’t watching)…the franchise is pitching on the MLB channel…kid already has a buncha k’s and hit 100 on the gun…

    he hasn’t hit the sports writer, the PA announcer, or the presidents (yet)…but joe…this kid has some *serious* shit

  • jim greenfield | June 8, 2010 at 7:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”393437″]Wait, is it the buttons that aren’t working, or the Velcro that isn’t working, on Parra’s jersey? This campaign against button-front jerseys in baseball has got to stop. I certainly don’t want to go back to the days of ugly pullovers.[/quote]

    I agree. Uniwatch has become its own enemy.

  • KevinW | June 8, 2010 at 7:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”393587″]if anyone is interested (and isn’t watching)…the franchise is pitching on the MLB channel…kid already has a buncha k’s and hit 100 on the gun…

    he hasn’t hit the sports writer, the PA announcer, or the presidents (yet)…but joe…this kid has some *serious* shit[/quote]

    He’s dressed halfway decent too.

  • concealed78 | June 8, 2010 at 8:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”393588″][quote comment=”393437″]Wait, is it the buttons that aren’t working, or the Velcro that isn’t working, on Parra’s jersey? This campaign against button-front jerseys in baseball has got to stop. I certainly don’t want to go back to the days of ugly pullovers.[/quote]

    I agree. Uniwatch has become its own enemy.[/quote]

    Pullovers aren’t *that* bad. They don’t all have to have collar trim or sansabelt. Stanford’s been pulling it off with class for decades:

    http://thediamondang...

  • KevinW | June 8, 2010 at 8:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”393590″][quote comment=”393588″][quote comment=”393437″]Wait, is it the buttons that aren’t working, or the Velcro that isn’t working, on Parra’s jersey? This campaign against button-front jerseys in baseball has got to stop. I certainly don’t want to go back to the days of ugly pullovers.[/quote]

    I agree. Uniwatch has become its own enemy.[/quote]

    Pullovers aren’t *that* bad. They don’t all have to have collar trim or sansabelt. Stanford’s been pulling it off with class for decades:

    http://thediamondang...

    Stanford looks good, some other major league teams would look good in pullovers too, but I disagree with the statement that buttons are a problem and shouldn’t be used.

  • jim greenfield | June 8, 2010 at 8:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”393591″][quote comment=”393590″][quote comment=”393588″][quote comment=”393437″]Wait, is it the buttons that aren’t working, or the Velcro that isn’t working, on Parra’s jersey? This campaign against button-front jerseys in baseball has got to stop. I certainly don’t want to go back to the days of ugly pullovers.[/quote]

    I agree. Uniwatch has become its own enemy.[/quote]

    Pullovers aren’t *that* bad. They don’t all have to have collar trim or sansabelt. Stanford’s been pulling it off with class for decades:

    http://thediamondang...

    Stanford looks good, some other major league teams would look good in pullovers too, but I disagree with the statement that buttons are a problem and shouldn’t be used.[/quote]

    It’s flat and boring. It would look a lot better with buttons.

  • concealed78 | June 8, 2010 at 8:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”393592″]

    It’s flat and boring. It would look a lot better with buttons.[/quote]

    But at lease the script will always be intact. Another thing that needs to be flat in baseball: cap logos. Hate that 3-D embroidery shit.

  • LI Phil | June 8, 2010 at 9:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”393592″]
    It’s flat and boring. It would look a lot better with buttons.[/quote]

    there are many good reasons to want buttons on a jersey…that aint one of em…

    don’t get me wrong, im in the buttons are good camp…namely because it’s a great look — but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be used because they produce a “flat and boring” look…at least that look avoids the dreaded RAAYS look

  • KevinW | June 8, 2010 at 9:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”393592″][quote comment=”393591″][quote comment=”393590″][quote comment=”393588″][quote comment=”393437″]Wait, is it the buttons that aren’t working, or the Velcro that isn’t working, on Parra’s jersey? This campaign against button-front jerseys in baseball has got to stop. I certainly don’t want to go back to the days of ugly pullovers.[/quote]

    I agree. Uniwatch has become its own enemy.[/quote]

    Pullovers aren’t *that* bad. They don’t all have to have collar trim or sansabelt. Stanford’s been pulling it off with class for decades:

    http://thediamondang...

    Stanford looks good, some other major league teams would look good in pullovers too, but I disagree with the statement that buttons are a problem and shouldn’t be used.[/quote]

    It’s flat and boring. It would look a lot better with buttons.[/quote]

    Is this flat and boring?

    http://images23.fotk...

    As a whole uniform with stirrups, which Stanford does wear, it looks pretty damn good.

  • =bg= | June 8, 2010 at 9:14 pm |

    Get your NATS gear now.
    Stephen Strasburg’s MLB debut: 7 IP, 2 runs, 4 hits, 14 strikeouts.

    Or wait for the jersey in October with the WS patch.

  • Ricko | June 8, 2010 at 9:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”393594″][quote comment=”393592″]
    It’s flat and boring. It would look a lot better with buttons.[/quote]

    there are many good reasons to want buttons on a jersey…that aint one of em…

    don’t get me wrong, im in the buttons are good camp…namely because it’s a great look — but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be used because they produce a “flat and boring” look…at least that look avoids the dreaded RAAYS look[/quote]

    Wouldn’t you think they’d figure everyone knows the jerseys have buttons and sometimes there’ll be a little “spread”? Personally, I think “RAAYS” and “Phillllies” and the like look dumber than the occasional space created by twisting and turning.

    I mean, what, they’re so anal that they think adding a silly extra letter looks better than a bit of space? The gap looks, well, expected. The extra letter just looks stupid. Do they think they’re putting something over on us? As I said, I don’t get it. Maybe the OCD’ed among us can explain it.

    Just seems a lot of bundlized undies in MLB over something that simple needn’t be that big an issue.

    How many of us have special-order teeshirts to match every striped or otherwise patterned button-front shirt we own?

    Jeez, if the “integrity” of the wordmark is that critical, go to pullovers.

    —Ricko

  • Paul Lukas | June 8, 2010 at 9:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”393598″]How many of us have special-order teeshirts to match every striped or otherwise patterned button-front shirt we own?[/quote]

    [Raises hand.] Uh….

    Kidding, kidding.

  • Ricko | June 8, 2010 at 9:38 pm |

    Here’s the solution to the button thing: If you slide or dive and some of your buttons come unbuttoned…make sure to re-button them.

    I’m telling you, I’m almost certain that would work just about every time.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | June 8, 2010 at 9:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”393598″]How many of us have special-order teeshirts to match every striped or otherwise patterned button-front shirt we own?[/quote]

    jesus rick…how many of these kids today have even WORN a button (dress) shirt — or tied a tie?

    and undershirts are apparently a completely foreign concept, if they even own a dress shirt…

  • =bg= | June 8, 2010 at 10:06 pm |

    watching the Baseball Tonight show from DC- I don’t think I’ve

    -ever-

    seen movement on a pitch like that. Wow.

    Uni moment: it says “R.E.S” on the glove.

  • Ricko | June 8, 2010 at 10:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”393601″][quote comment=”393598″]How many of us have special-order teeshirts to match every striped or otherwise patterned button-front shirt we own?[/quote]

    jesus rick…how many of these kids today have even WORN a button (dress) shirt — or tied a tie?

    and undershirts are apparently a completely foreign concept, if they even own a dress shirt…[/quote]

    Yes, but think how cool…if your striped undershirt matched your striped shirt, you could wear it unbuttoned and no one could tell.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | June 8, 2010 at 10:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”393602″]watching the Baseball Tonight show from DC- I don’t think I’ve

    -ever-

    seen movement on a pitch like that. Wow.

    Uni moment: it says “R.E.S” on the glove.[/quote]

    for “Really Exceptional Stuff”?

  • Ricko | June 8, 2010 at 10:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”393601″][quote comment=”393598″]How many of us have special-order teeshirts to match every striped or otherwise patterned button-front shirt we own?[/quote]

    jesus rick…how many of these kids today have even WORN a button (dress) shirt — or tied a tie?

    and undershirts are apparently a completely foreign concept, if they even own a dress shirt…[/quote]

    “…or tied a tie?”

    Okay, everybody, listen up. The rabbit goes around the tree and down the hole…

  • LI Phil | June 8, 2010 at 10:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”393604″][quote comment=”393602″]

    Uni moment: it says “R.E.S” on the glove.[/quote]

    for “Really Exceptional Stuff”?[/quote]

    what do you want to bet its the initials of his father or (more likely) grandpa?

  • traxel | June 8, 2010 at 10:18 pm |

    Couple of things I can’t let go:

    1. I agree that it was a little misguided for Harper to say what he did about his dream. Now the however. He’s 17. In a chiseled professional body, but only a 17 year old mind. He’s learned to throw boilerplate at questions for several years now. That’s all that “dream” answer was. I bet he didn’t even know what he said a minute later. Yeah, it came a bit too natural to him probably because he’s been treated like royalty for so long, but let’s look at the situation. The day was geared around the draft. He just got selected first in the draft. He was asked questions about where he was drafted. That comment could have spewed out of anyone in that situation. IMO, the media, being more well versed than most, has a bad tendency to expect professional athletes to say things eloquantly. These guys are athletes. There are exceptions but most are not natural speakers and will fumble through their words. Say things they don’t mean, say things that don’t make sense. Speaking is not what they do for a living, just an unfortunate by-product to them, one that gets them in trouble due to the media hanging on every syllable. I say give him the benefit of the doubt. In time he will prove himself a good guy or a douchebag. Not enough information to make that decision today.

    2. Let him have the eyeblack if he wants it. His teammates will take care of it and it will go away quickly. Go ahead and make fun of him too. It’s just another “hey look at me thing”. But PLEASE, do not start making MORE and MORE regulations!

  • Ricko | June 8, 2010 at 10:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”393606″][quote comment=”393604″][quote comment=”393602″]

    Uni moment: it says “R.E.S” on the glove.[/quote]

    for “Really Exceptional Stuff”?[/quote]

    what do you want to bet its the initials of his father or (more likely) grandpa?[/quote]

    Good bet, yeah.

  • Ricko | June 8, 2010 at 10:32 pm |

    Well, Tyler Kepner covered Strasburg’s debut for the NY Times…maybe he knows.

    http://www.nytimes.c...

    —Ricko

  • Oakville Endive | June 8, 2010 at 10:51 pm |

    Just turned on the Lakers/Celtics.

    So televisions continue to evolve and get better – and yet after all these years = Lakers purple – still looks a lot like bluish/purple – as opposed to purple?

  • jesse | June 8, 2010 at 10:55 pm |

    Just got home from the Nats game. The kid is legit. On a uni note, according to Phil Wood, host of Nats post game radio show, Nats are going to script “Nationals” next season, to match road grays.

  • LI Phil | June 8, 2010 at 11:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”393611″]Just got home from the Nats game. The kid is legit. On a uni note, according to Phil Wood, host of Nats post game radio show, Nats are going to script “Nationals” next season, to match road grays.[/quote]

    totally…

    how those pitches look live?

    because sitting here, watching it in HD…i don’t think i’ve EVER seen shit like that — 98 mph AND moving?

    and i saw doc gooden live in 1984, and (at least on tv…) this kid puts him to shame

    as long as he doesn’t hit a lot of bats…he is definitely something special

    methinks he needs to get a little wild — like nolan ryan was…don’t let the hitters get too comfortable

    because if they don’t know what’s coming (or even if they do…they just won’t know where)…the sky’s the limit

    (obviously, from just one ML appearance, we can’t really take away too much, and i’ll save any more hyperbole for the talking heads…but…WOW…just … wow)

  • Ricko | June 8, 2010 at 11:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”393610″]Just turned on the Lakers/Celtics.

    So televisions continue to evolve and get better – and yet after all these years = Lakers purple – still looks a lot like bluish/purple – as opposed to purple?[/quote]

    Purple’s a bitch in the best of circumstances, for TV or film. Blue, because it’s one of the colors actually is among the least bright in the spectrum, is so susceptible to subtle light changes. Whereas red, which is among the brightest, can sometimes overpower the blue.

    For the first 10 years or so the Viking were indoors (until TV camera technology improved) on any TV even the slightest bit off, you’d have sworn they were wearing blue jerseys.

    —Ricko

  • Rob Ullman | June 8, 2010 at 11:05 pm |

    Late to this party, but I hadda chime in to just say how blown away I am by Mark’s stuff. The texture…not only in the amazing artwork itself, but even in the words he used to describe it…just stunning.

    Now if only I’d moved a little faster on that Lemieux piece…

  • jesse | June 8, 2010 at 11:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”393612″][quote comment=”393611″]Just got home from the Nats game. The kid is legit. On a uni note, according to Phil Wood, host of Nats post game radio show, Nats are going to script “Nationals” next season, to match road grays.[/quote]

    totally…

    how those pitches look live?

    because sitting here, watching it in HD…i don’t think i’ve EVER seen shit like that — 98 mph AND moving?

    and i saw doc gooden live in 1984, and (at least on tv…) this kid puts him to shame

    as long as he doesn’t hit a lot of bats…he is definitely something special

    methinks he needs to get a little wild — like nolan ryan was…don’t let the hitters get too comfortable

    because if they don’t know what’s coming (or even if they do…they just won’t know where)…the sky’s the limit

    (obviously, from just one ML appearance, we can’t really take away too much, and i’ll save any more hyperbole for the talking heads…but…WOW…just … wow)[/quote]
    it was crazy. The batters literally looked silly after he settled down. Had a great time at the park. Only bummer was Ken Burns was doing a meet-n-greet thing after 7th inning stretch, was in line to chat, have him sign a ball, and he “had to go”. Was 7 people away. Bummer.

  • Ricko | June 8, 2010 at 11:08 pm |

    “For the first 10 years or so the Viking were indoors (until TV camera technology improved) on any TV even the slightest bit off, you’d have sworn they were wearing blue jerseys.”

    Think it’s because indoor lighting has lot of blue in it. I know in the Metrodome there always was the slightest blue cast everything.

    —Ricko

  • jim greenfield | June 8, 2010 at 11:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”393595″][quote comment=”393592″][quote comment=”393591″][quote comment=”393590″][quote comment=”393588″][quote comment=”393437″]Wait, is it the buttons that aren’t working, or the Velcro that isn’t working, on Parra’s jersey? This campaign against button-front jerseys in baseball has got to stop. I certainly don’t want to go back to the days of ugly pullovers.[/quote]

    I agree. Uni Watch has become its own enemy.[/quote]

    Pullovers aren’t *that* bad. They don’t all have to have collar trim or sansabelt. Stanford’s been pulling it off with class for decades:

    http://thediamondang...

    Stanford looks good, some other major league teams would look good in pullovers too, but I disagree with the statement that buttons are a problem and shouldn’t be used.[/quote]

    It’s flat and boring. It would look a lot better with buttons.[/quote]

    Is this flat and boring?

    http://images23.fotk...

    As a whole uniform with stirrups, which Stanford does wear, it looks pretty damn good.[/quote]

    Everything looks good except the softball jersey.
    It’s a pj look. I thought Uni Watch was against pjs. Now they’re for them as jerseys. Its seems crazy to me. There is so little said about the horrid bell bottoms, why is the guy picking on traditional jerseys all of a sudden. Leave well enough alone. Lets work together to get the pants at mid calf and either stripped stirrups or socks. They wore socks in the 20s that had a little white above the shoe. The players don’t like the stirrup feel. A compromise would be a good idea.

  • Ricko | June 8, 2010 at 11:40 pm |

    Yeah, so many of us remember watching those games of the 1920’s on the radio that it will be like the good old days from coast-to-coast.

    Something to be said for the CVE (Common Visual Era) which began when TV entered the scene, eventually expontentially increasing the number of people who actualy SAW big league uniforms in action.

    My take on it, having discovered baseball in about 1954, is that I never saw Willie Mays play in black street socks.

    But, hey, things change, as do styles. The overall looks of the past half century we know. What the looks for the first half of this century will start with pajamas. That’s the only thing we know for sure. Mostly, all we can do is watch and see. It’s beyond our control.

    —Ricko

  • The Jeff | June 8, 2010 at 11:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”393617″][quote comment=”393595″][quote comment=”393592″][quote comment=”393591″][quote comment=”393590″][quote comment=”393588″][quote comment=”393437″]Wait, is it the buttons that aren’t working, or the Velcro that isn’t working, on Parra’s jersey? This campaign against button-front jerseys in baseball has got to stop. I certainly don’t want to go back to the days of ugly pullovers.[/quote]

    I agree. Uni Watch has become its own enemy.[/quote]

    Pullovers aren’t *that* bad. They don’t all have to have collar trim or sansabelt. Stanford’s been pulling it off with class for decades:

    http://thediamondang...

    Stanford looks good, some other major league teams would look good in pullovers too, but I disagree with the statement that buttons are a problem and shouldn’t be used.[/quote]

    It’s flat and boring. It would look a lot better with buttons.[/quote]

    Is this flat and boring?

    http://images23.fotk...

    As a whole uniform with stirrups, which Stanford does wear, it looks pretty damn good.[/quote]

    Everything looks good except the softball jersey.
    It’s a pj look. I thought Uni Watch was against pjs. Now they’re for them as jerseys. Its seems crazy to me. There is so little said about the horrid bell bottoms, why is the guy picking on traditional jerseys all of a sudden. Leave well enough alone. Lets work together to get the pants at mid calf and either stripped stirrups or socks. They wore socks in the 20s that had a little white above the shoe. The players don’t like the stirrup feel. A compromise would be a good idea.[/quote]

    I think you’ve got some terms mixed up, and I really wonder what picture you’re looking at. The guy’s wearing a properly fitting uniform, with stirrups. What’s the problem? Just because it has no buttons it’s suddenly an abomination to baseball uniforms?

    You know what’s *really* a PJ look? A baggy button down jersey and baggy pants. Which seems to be what most players are wearing nowadays. The Stanford pic is not a PJ look.

  • rpm | June 9, 2010 at 12:31 am |

    prenxa~ love your style with the brush man, some interesting pieces in there for sure, loved it.

    kid one~ the gooden comparison is pretty good, but i was 14, and didn’t have a historical perspective. and while i won’t see kid one’s performance since i don’t have cable/espn, wood’s 20K game against houston in 98 comes to mind. i thought it was the most amazing performance i had ever seen, and still think so. thought nobody would ever touch him. how did that work out for wood? for every ryan, there are 200 woods.

    kid two~ i agree with a lot of what trax said, but if he really did think he felt that way at 7, it wasn’t his thoughts, it was his pops. at 7 we want to please pops. i was a decent/relatively accomplished ballplayer when it was all said and done, but i remember scoring a game for my brother(who stopped playing in high school), he was an outstanding pitcher. it was little league, maybe 10ish/11ish year old range, 7 inning game, brian fanned 23 because the catcher couldn’t catch him, and two batters reached first. had my pops been a typical live through their kids type, who knows. instead, athletically, brian went on to a golf scholarship at msu, and concentrated on what made him happy, and he truly is. what does all that mean? nothing i guess, i am just saying prodigy=pushy parents=no love for their instrument=tragic fail.

    LLWS~ yes yes yes it disgusts me that they put kids on tv like that, and want it off the air, but i do have a soft spot for the LLWS because the old man pitched a no hitter to send germany to pennsylvannia back in 1342BC. unfortunately the army base in hamburg needed the transport that was to fly the team to williamsport, so they had a dnp. but i suppose that would have been government waste anyway right?

    crest~ why can’t they use that tread on patch? that would be awesome!

    stuff i forgot to comment on~things i would have said.

  • jim greenfield | June 9, 2010 at 1:08 am |

    [quote comment=”393619″][quote comment=”393617″][quote comment=”393595″][quote comment=”393592″][quote comment=”393591″][quote comment=”393590″][quote comment=”393588″][quote comment=”393437″]Wait, is it the buttons that aren’t working, or the Velcro that isn’t working, on Parra’s jersey? This campaign against button-front jerseys in baseball has got to stop. I certainly don’t want to go back to the days of ugly pullovers.[/quote]

    I agree. Uni Watch has become its own enemy.[/quote]

    Pullovers aren’t *that* bad. They don’t all have to have collar trim or sansabelt. Stanford’s been pulling it off with class for decades:

    http://thediamondang...

    Stanford looks good, some other major league teams would look good in pullovers too, but I disagree with the statement that buttons are a problem and shouldn’t be used.[/quote]

    It’s flat and boring. It would look a lot better with buttons.[/quote]

    Is this flat and boring?

    http://images23.fotk...

    As a whole uniform with stirrups, which Stanford does wear, it looks pretty damn good.[/quote]

    Everything looks good except the softball jersey.
    It’s a pj look. I thought Uni Watch was against pjs. Now they’re for them as jerseys. Its seems crazy to me. There is so little said about the horrid bell bottoms, why is the guy picking on traditional jerseys all of a sudden. Leave well enough alone. Lets work together to get the pants at mid calf and either stripped stirrups or socks. They wore socks in the 20s that had a little white above the shoe. The players don’t like the stirrup feel. A compromise would be a good idea.[/quote]

    I think you’ve got some terms mixed up, and I really wonder what picture you’re looking at. The guy’s wearing a properly fitting uniform, with stirrups. What’s the problem? Just because it has no buttons it’s suddenly an abomination to baseball uniforms?

    You know what’s *really* a PJ look? A baggy button down jersey and baggy pants. Which seems to be what most players are wearing nowadays. The Stanford pic is not a PJ look.[/quote]

    The ‘pj’ expression I picked up here. I call pullovers and sansabelts ‘softball’. It doesn’t matter, they look bad. I’m tired of buttons being blamed for today’s players sloppy dress. They’re slobs. Did Aaron and Mathews look bad in button tops and belts? No. NFL players don’t wear baggy clothes. MLB lets them get by with anything. Selig is afraid of the players. Let them strike for their hip hop ‘style’. Maybe the next generation will have some respect for the game.

  • rpm | June 9, 2010 at 1:37 am |

    [quote comment=”393621″][quote comment=”393619″][quote comment=”393617″][quote comment=”393595″][quote comment=”393592″][quote comment=”393591″][quote comment=”393590″][quote comment=”393588″][quote comment=”393437″]Wait, is it the buttons that aren’t working, or the Velcro that isn’t working, on Parra’s jersey? This campaign against button-front jerseys in baseball has got to stop. I certainly don’t want to go back to the days of ugly pullovers.[/quote]

    I agree. Uni Watch has become its own enemy.[/quote]

    Pullovers aren’t *that* bad. They don’t all have to have collar trim or sansabelt. Stanford’s been pulling it off with class for decades:

    http://thediamondang...

    Stanford looks good, some other major league teams would look good in pullovers too, but I disagree with the statement that buttons are a problem and shouldn’t be used.[/quote]

    It’s flat and boring. It would look a lot better with buttons.[/quote]

    Is this flat and boring?

    http://images23.fotk...

    As a whole uniform with stirrups, which Stanford does wear, it looks pretty damn good.[/quote]

    Everything looks good except the softball jersey.
    It’s a pj look. I thought Uni Watch was against pjs. Now they’re for them as jerseys. Its seems crazy to me. There is so little said about the horrid bell bottoms, why is the guy picking on traditional jerseys all of a sudden. Leave well enough alone. Lets work together to get the pants at mid calf and either stripped stirrups or socks. They wore socks in the 20s that had a little white above the shoe. The players don’t like the stirrup feel. A compromise would be a good idea.[/quote]

    I think you’ve got some terms mixed up, and I really wonder what picture you’re looking at. The guy’s wearing a properly fitting uniform, with stirrups. What’s the problem? Just because it has no buttons it’s suddenly an abomination to baseball uniforms?

    You know what’s *really* a PJ look? A baggy button down jersey and baggy pants. Which seems to be what most players are wearing nowadays. The Stanford pic is not a PJ look.[/quote]

    The ‘pj’ expression I picked up here. I call pullovers and sansabelts ‘softball’. It doesn’t matter, they look bad. I’m tired of buttons being blamed for today’s players sloppy dress. They’re slobs. Did Aaron and Mathews look bad in button tops and belts? No. NFL players don’t wear baggy clothes. MLB lets them get by with anything. Selig is afraid of the players. Let them strike for their hip hop ‘style’. Maybe the next generation will have some respect for the game.[/quote]

    been meaning to say this for a while, stop with the hip hop reference, it makes your argument as stale as 20 year old bread, and ruins decent retorts to the pullovers. what the hell is hip hop about anything in mlb? i’ll answer for you, nothing. if hip hop means i don’t understand, then keep using it.

  • Kabe | June 9, 2010 at 1:56 am |

    The Germans wore gorgeous jade green away kits, because that is the corporate logo of their football association, not because of Ireland.

    Slovenia has always used white as their home kit.

    Weird no one mentioned South Korea´s losing their trademark cherry shade of red.

  • hoker | June 9, 2010 at 2:01 am |

    [quote comment=”393559″][quote comment=”393542″]I have yet to hear the Cowboys mentioned in the logo debate. Why do they get a lone star? Dallas isn’t the whole state.[/quote]

    Basically, people from Dallas like to pretend that the rest of Texas doesn’t exist. They consider themselves the sole representatives of Texas, and this spills through to their sports teams.

    – The Rangers are the second MLB team in the state. So of course, calling themselves the TEXAS Rangers made sense.

    – The Dallas Stars established a new AHL affiliate outside of Austin. Apparently, even though the Houston Aeros have been around for 16 years now and the San Antonio Rampage were here first, the name “TEXAS Stars” made sense to them.

    But hey, we got the Texans. Suck it, Dallas.

    – T.J. (a disgruntled Houstonian)[/quote]

    are you SURE you didn’t grow up in Tulsa?

  • Chance Michaels | June 9, 2010 at 9:54 am |

    [quote comment=”393613″][quote comment=”393610″]Just turned on the Lakers/Celtics.

    So televisions continue to evolve and get better – and yet after all these years = Lakers purple – still looks a lot like bluish/purple – as opposed to purple?[/quote]

    Purple’s a bitch in the best of circumstances, for TV or film. Blue, because it’s one of the colors actually is among the least bright in the spectrum, is so susceptible to subtle light changes. Whereas red, which is among the brightest, can sometimes overpower the blue.

    For the first 10 years or so the Viking were indoors (until TV camera technology improved) on any TV even the slightest bit off, you’d have sworn they were wearing blue jerseys.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    True enough – purple looks completely different under different lighting conditions.

    Outside in sunshine, outside under cloud cover, outside under lights, inside under lights, all producing a different effect.

    Not to mention other factors – 35mm film v. video v. watching the games in person. Mix and match, results in a staggeringly inconsistent color. That’s as good a reason as any not to like it on uniforms.

    And, as someone who doesn’t really follow basketball anymore, do the Lakers still call their purple “Forum Blue”? Or did that end with the move downtown?