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He Probably Didn’t Play Point Guard

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What was Dolphins lineman Bob Kuechenberg doing in a basketball jersey? It’s from an early Dolphins season-ticket drive, and that screen shot comes from this video about the ’73 Dolphins, which is one of many NFL Films-produced “America’s Game” vids now available on Hulu. “My favorite uni-related thing so far in this series is the 1972 Dolphins installment,” writes JayJay Dean. “They went 17-0 and almost ALL of their uniform numbers — front, back, and sleeves — were a MESS. Guys had 2s on their fronts with serifs and the same guy’s jersey had no serifs on the back and sleeves. You’ve covered this before on Uni Watch, but it’s much easier to appreciate when you can see the video online.”

I don’t have time right now to watch all this stuff and make a bunch of screen shots, but maybe someone else does, hint-hint.

Meanwhile: New ESPN column today — look here.

Should be much more entertaining that watching the Mets and Marlins: There’s a cool No Mas event tonight in Manhattan. I can’t be there, but some of you NYCers should go. Details here.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Looks like the Oakfield Oaks softball team was heavily influenced by Indiana’s basketball warm-up pants (big thanks to Jeff Ash). … You know what you can make out of pancakes? Anything (big thanks to Amy Fritch). … Jeff Scott recently acquired a game-used Dave Von Ohlen jersey from 1983. The weird thing is the numerals for the front uni number are badly mismatched; the even weirder thing is that it’s even worse on the back. Jeff was suspicious about the jersey maybe having been altered until he found this photo. Unbelievable. … Some guy named James Plukas makes high-end furniture. I’d never heard of him, but Doug Brei thought I might be interested in his company’s logo. … Lots of good color Ice Bowl shots at this site (with thanks to Matt Mitchell). … Think this sign is funny? It’s from a big collection of amusingly garbled signs in foreign lands. You can see the full collection here (with thanks to Jesse Agler). … The Brewers’ old bullpen buggy lives! It’s one of many old County Stadium artifacts supposedly in storage (big thanks to Nicole Haase). … Disturbing news from Delaware, as reported by Jason Levine: ” We’ve heard there has been a stirrup uprising among players for the Wilmington Blue Rocks. For whatever reason (maybe being in last place), the players have banished the light blue set with the horizontal stripes. We heard one player went out and bought his own set of navy blue stirrups, and now everyone has followed suit.” … Two days ago I posted this photo of new Arizona football uniforms. But now Kenny Abbey, who sent me that photo, has a follow-up. He contacted Wendell Neal, Arizona’s Associate Athletic Director for Equipment Operations — and who, coincidentally, runs the Arizona equipment blog where that photo first appeared — and asked for more details. Neal’s response: “No they are not the new unis. Close, but not exactly. Just something we showed the recruits, but they are NOT the ones. The date of [the unveiling] will be decided by Head Coach Mike Stoops. I do not know that date.” … Did you know Mitchell & Ness had its own blog? “Leaves a bit to be desired as far as grammar and editing go,” says Dan Cichalski, “but otherwise, there’s some good stuff there.” … Andres Torres of the Giants made a diving catch last night and ended up ripping his pants (screen shot courtesy of Sean Robbins). … The Diamondbacks have found a sneaky way to have advertising on their ballboys’ jerseys. See that “Del Webb” NOB? Del Webb is a chain of retirement communities (great catch by Mike Cooperman). … Longtime readers may recall that when Marty Hick‘s wife, Holly, turned 32, he made her a Jim Brown cake. He now reports that when she turned 33, he made her a Lew Alcindor cake.

 

141 comments to He Probably Didn’t Play Point Guard

  • Aaron | May 13, 2010 at 7:52 am |

    We need to hurry up and get Stephen Strasburg to the majors so he isn’t forced to wear intimidating pink tops.

    http://www.syracuse....

  • Mark in Shiga | May 13, 2010 at 8:13 am |

    What’s the significance of the #50 that that Diamondbacks bat boy is wearing?

  • LI Phil | May 13, 2010 at 8:24 am |

    so the blue rocks ditched the powder rups? i hope they dumped the cap, vest and sleeves in the process

    cuz navy rups with all that powder won’t make the light blue look any better

    /macho men don’t wear powderblue…that’s the mindset?

  • Gazzoo | May 13, 2010 at 8:30 am |

    I’ve written in many places about the ’72 Dolphins uniform anomaly, but here it is again…

    The 1970 and 1971 team wore jerseys (both home and away) with no stripes; for 1972 the team got a new set of white jerseys (this was the first year they wore white at home). These jerseys did have sleeve striping, along with a very thin number font. However, many players continued to wear the older jerseys with no striping.

    In 1973 the Dolphins revised their jerseys once again, no both the aqua and white jerseys had striping, along with a thicker number font.

  • TommyD | May 13, 2010 at 8:36 am |

    one of Uni Watch’s advertisers was mentioned in today’s Philadelphia Inquirer

    Red-flagged
    The Phillies-centric blog TheFightins.com has pulled two shirts off its website after lawyers for Major League Baseball claimed that images infringed on its trademarks. Blogger Mike Meech says MLB has problems with a “P” shown on a hat depicted on one of the shirts, and with a Liberty Bell design on another. “We’re really careful, but the MLB is really aggressive,” Meech told me, adding that he doesn’t have the money to fight MLB

    http://media.philly....

    knew I should’ve bought that”uts” shirt last year…

  • James Hayden | May 13, 2010 at 8:37 am |

    I DVR’d the America’s Game 72 (& 73) Dolphins off NFL Network last week – what I noticed was the lack of stripes on Patriots and Vikings dark jerseys during the regular season. I’m thinking they were “hot weather” jerseys maybe??

  • Hank | May 13, 2010 at 8:40 am |

    D’backs advertising jersey brings back the time when Ted Turner did the same thing by putting the NOB ‘Channel’ on a #17 jersey, which at that time was worn by Andy Messersmith. The significance? At that time Ch. 17 was his TV station’s dial location and when the FCC gave him the OK to make into a superstation, he tried that ploy. MLB caught on fast and it lasted one game. http://farm1.static....

  • Andy | May 13, 2010 at 8:48 am |

    Chris Cafardi

    RE: Your post yesterday about a redesign of your Little League team uniforms. I have a design for you. I need your email address, or I can post the link.

  • lose remerswaal | May 13, 2010 at 9:16 am |

    [quote comment=”389947″]What’s the significance of the #50 that that Diamondbacks bat boy is wearing?[/quote]
    Probably that you have to be 50 or older to buy in a Del Webb community

  • Jerry | May 13, 2010 at 9:45 am |

    Maybe the Brewers will use the bullpen cart this weekend, when they throw back to their 1970’s era uniforms against the Phillies. That looks like the 1970’s era cap on the bullpen cart.

    Also, the Phils will be wearing their light blue and maroon throwbacks.

    Still don’t know why the Brewers didn’t schedule at least one of the throwback weekends, during interleague play.

    One of the throwback weekends will be against Washington, unfortunately they will not be throwing back to Le Expos.

    Speaking of Montreal, why didn’t they move the Jays/Phillies series to Stade Olympique, instead of the farce they will have going on in Philly??

  • Mark K | May 13, 2010 at 10:01 am |

    [quote comment=”389955″]
    Speaking of Montreal, why didn’t they move the Jays/Phillies series to Stade Olympique, instead of the farce they will have going on in Philly??[/quote]
    They could’ve had the games in Buffalo even. They would’ve drawn more fans for the series than in Toronto and still had a “home” advantage.

    I’m guessing the Jays just jumped at the chance to sell the place out in Philly and get a huge cut of the gate.

  • JTH | May 13, 2010 at 10:02 am |

    I think I may know where the Oakfield Oaks got their inspiration. And it wasn’t IU’s warmup pants.

  • JB Early | May 13, 2010 at 10:05 am |

    What’s the Vegas book on whether Marty Hicks’ wife even knows (not to mention cares)who Brown & Alcindor are?

  • Brian Schulz | May 13, 2010 at 10:11 am |

    “He now reports that when she turned 33, he made her a Lew Alcindor cake.”

    Come on, should have went with the Larry Bird “33” cake…

  • Schmeltzer | May 13, 2010 at 10:15 am |

    Paul, I’m surprised you chose the “No Porking” sign to showcase and not this one:
    http://www.nytimes.c...

  • bourbon soaked idiot | May 13, 2010 at 10:16 am |

    [quote comment=”389948″]so the blue rocks ditched the powder rups? i hope they dumped the cap, vest and sleeves in the process

    cuz navy rups with all that powder won’t make the light blue look any better

    /macho men don’t wear powderblue…that’s the mindset?[/quote]

    I hope those powder blue stirrups will be a Robert Marshall Stirrup of the Month one day soon.

  • Lou | May 13, 2010 at 10:27 am |

    Del Webb is also the former co-owner of the Yankees and the friend of Arnold Johnson, the guy who purchased the Athletics from the Mack family and moved them to KC and then funnelled all of their top talent to the Yankees.

  • Paul Lukas | May 13, 2010 at 10:38 am |

    Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment=”389963″]Del Webb is also the former co-owner of the Yankees and the friend of Arnold Johnson, the guy who purchased the Athletics from the Mack family and moved them to KC and then funnelled all of their top talent to the Yankees.[/quote]

    Also owned the Tropicana in Vegas for quite a while.

    —Ricko

  • interlockingtc | May 13, 2010 at 10:48 am |

    Love Jim’s Pancakes! And, of course, No Porking.

  • Giancarlo | May 13, 2010 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment=”389951″]I DVR’d the America’s Game 72 (& 73) Dolphins off NFL Network last week – what I noticed was the lack of stripes on Patriots and Vikings dark jerseys during the regular season. I’m thinking they were “hot weather” jerseys maybe??[/quote]
    That’s correct. They were made of mesh, which was a new material at the time, and the technique of applying stripes to mesh had not been perfected yet. By about ’74 you do see the mesh jerseys with stripes, so apparently they figured out how to do it by then. But the ’69-’73 period is full of teams who wore stripeless mesh for some games, striped Durene for other games.

  • pru | May 13, 2010 at 10:53 am |

    [quote comment=”389965″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    I remember seeing a video on sublimation for the camo uniforms and helmets that Army wore in the Army-Navy game a couple of years ago. Pretty cool stuff.

    It looked time consuming i.e. expensive because each pair of pants and helmet was dipped into a tank with the pattern floating on top of water (not sure of the technical terms).

  • Andy | May 13, 2010 at 11:05 am |

    Now that I get a good look at those Under Armour Legend Grey uniforms, I see the glaring weakness: the repeating texture/pattern is only about 2 inches square, seriously ruining the randomness, variation and natural-looking quality that the fabric should have. What I’m saying is, that if there’s a small dark patch in the fabric, this very same dark patch is repeated over and over and over again every two inches in all directions. Sorry to ruin such a great thing, but it needs a little more work. The repeating pattern simply needs to be larger to make the texture appear more random, because it has a very unsightly rhythm to it. I didn’t notice it as much in the development swatches that were posted, probably because its a smaller area and a closer view.

  • scott | May 13, 2010 at 11:07 am |

    Well, sure, baseball jerseys don’t need to have buttons, but they sure look a lot better when they do. And while there may be the occasional visual or logistical problem, that adds to the game’s charm. It’s sort of like baseball stadiums: do dimensions have to be odd and unusual, with weird outfield angles? No, not anymore. But the game is better served by not having dull, cookie-cutter stadiums.

  • Cort | May 13, 2010 at 11:12 am |

    The Bills play home games at Rogers Centre. The baseball stadium in Buffalo (I can’t remember what it’s called now, Coca-Cola Park, maybe) holds about 23,000 fans. They could have easily sold out the series, and made up for the 20,000 or so fewer tickets by charging an NHL-style “premier price” for the series.

    Buffalo had, by far, the best regional seedings attendance numbers in the country for the recently completed NCAA basketball tournament, they did very well with the NCAA hockey tournament a few years ago. Buffalonians even enthusiastically supported the World University Games not too long ago, an event that no one had ever heard of. They consistently sell out Sabres games. Indoor lacrosse does well. They live and die for a football team that hasn’t been any good since Justin Bieber was just a gleam in his father’s eye. so why wouldn’t they sell out a three game series between the Phils and the Jays? As an expat Buffalonian, I smell a conspiracy.

    Buffalo is the most sports-minded city in the nation. They know sports. That, and chicken wings. And celebrating obscure Polish holidays (the Dyngus Day Capital of the World). And enduring Winter. And complaining that the whole world is Out to Get Them.

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 11:18 am |

    [quote comment=”389965″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    The flannel-inspired (because I refuse to say “faux flannel fabric”) jerseys look cool. Reminds me of when the US Snowboarding Team wore those grunge-inspired unis: http://www.nollie.tv...

    Nice idea, even if the pattern isn’t as natural as a real flannel jersey.

    Not sure I like Texas Tech’s jersey, http://farm4.static.... but I like #31’s socks.

  • Paul Lukas | May 13, 2010 at 11:20 am |

    There’s a cool No Mas event tonight in Manhattan. I can’t be there, but some of you NYCers should go. Details here.

  • Jack K | May 13, 2010 at 11:21 am |

    [quote comment=\”389946\”]We need to hurry up and get Stephen Strasburg to the majors so he isn\’t forced to wear intimidating pink tops.

    http://www.syracuse....

    I\’m not sure if the Nats’ unis are that much better. Those stars and stripes are atrocious.

  • Grammar Polizei | May 13, 2010 at 11:25 am |

    [quote comment=”389973″]They could have easily sold out the series, and made up for the 20,000 or so fewer tickets by charging an NHL-style “premier price” for the series.[/quote]
    NHL-style? How about MLB-style? (The Pirates on a Wednesday afternoon in September only get a bronze rating?)

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 11:34 am |

    [quote comment=”389959″]”He now reports that when she turned 33, he made her a Lew Alcindor cake.”

    Come on, should have went with the Larry Bird “33” cake…[/quote]

    Nah, you were right to go with Alcindor.

    This is a good idea. One year we did something like this for my brother, but we used a generic jersey. This year, we’d probably have to go with Artis Gilmore or Darryl Dawkins.

    Next year I want a Dan Issel cake for myself:
    http://www.toptenz.n...

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 11:36 am |

    [quote comment=”389978″][quote comment=”389959″]”He now reports that when she turned 33, he made her a Lew Alcindor cake.”

    Come on, should have went with the Larry Bird “33” cake…[/quote]

    Nah, you were right to go with Alcindor.

    This is a good idea. One year we did something like this for my brother, but we used a generic jersey. This year, we’d probably have to go with Artis Gilmore or Darryl Dawkins.

    Next year I want a Dan Issel cake for myself:
    http://www.toptenz.n...

    Cookies would be even better – then you wouldn’t have to limit yourself to one team.

  • JTH | May 13, 2010 at 11:42 am |

    [quote comment=”389979″][quote comment=”389978″][quote comment=”389959″]”He now reports that when she turned 33, he made her a Lew Alcindor cake.”

    Come on, should have went with the Larry Bird “33” cake…[/quote]

    Nah, you were right to go with Alcindor.

    This is a good idea. One year we did something like this for my brother, but we used a generic jersey. This year, we’d probably have to go with Artis Gilmore or Darryl Dawkins.

    Next year I want a Dan Issel cake for myself:
    http://www.toptenz.n...

    Cookies would be even better – then you wouldn’t have to limit yourself to one team.[/quote]
    Or, sticking with the cake idea, maybe I’ll get a Calbert Cheaney this year.

  • JTH | May 13, 2010 at 11:47 am |
  • mike 2 | May 13, 2010 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment=”389956″][quote comment=”389955″]
    Speaking of Montreal, why didn’t they move the Jays/Phillies series to Stade Olympique, instead of the farce they will have going on in Philly??[/quote]
    They could’ve had the games in Buffalo even. They would’ve drawn more fans for the series than in Toronto and still had a “home” advantage.

    I’m guessing the Jays just jumped at the chance to sell the place out in Philly and get a huge cut of the gate.[/quote]

    Toronto barely has a home advantage in Toronto, never mind in Buffalo.

    I think this is bang-on. Why play a neutral site game that you have to market, advertise, etc. when you can play it in Philly and sell it out without doing any work.

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 11:52 am |

    If you just had a baby, would you go with an Al Oliver or Cliff Johnson cake?

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment=”389981″]Or possibly…[/quote]

    How ’bout Gayle Sayers?

  • Cort | May 13, 2010 at 11:55 am |

    I want to like the UnderArmor jerseys, but my heart tells me that they are the sartorial equivalent of a Penthouse Magazine centerfold: Everything looks cool, but none of it is real.

    The faux texturing, the “for showin’, not for blowin'” buttons: it’s phony, a come-on, a fantasy. But it looks kinda neat.

    I’m going to resist all of my base, natural urges, and hate it. Either make it flannel, or make it from recycled Gatorade bottles or Kevlar or whatever they make uniforms from these days.

    What Umbro has done with Manchester City and the England National Team is far more satisfying. Those Man City 2009-10 shirts are absolutely gorgeous, and look (aside from the big billboard across the chest) like what Bell, Lee, and Summerbee wore back in the late ’60s glory days.

  • JTH | May 13, 2010 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment=”389984″][quote comment=”389981″]Or possibly…[/quote]

    How ’bout Gayle Sayers?[/quote]
    I’d rather have a cake that isn’t bitter.

  • concealed78 | May 13, 2010 at 11:59 am |

    Totally digging the ESPN column today, Paul! I already made a concept with the road wordmark (no button up break) & sleeve patch of my team:

    http://img190.images...

    http://img517.images...

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 12:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”389986″][quote comment=”389984″][quote comment=”389981″]Or possibly…[/quote]

    How ’bout Gayle Sayers?[/quote]
    I’d rather have a cake that isn’t bitter.[/quote]

    Rick Sutcliffe, then? You could have a rum-soaked cake…

  • pk | May 13, 2010 at 12:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”389982″][quote comment=”389956″][quote comment=”389955″]
    Speaking of Montreal, why didn’t they move the Jays/Phillies series to Stade Olympique, instead of the farce they will have going on in Philly??[/quote]
    They could’ve had the games in Buffalo even. They would’ve drawn more fans for the series than in Toronto and still had a “home” advantage.

    I’m guessing the Jays just jumped at the chance to sell the place out in Philly and get a huge cut of the gate.[/quote]

    Toronto barely has a home advantage in Toronto, never mind in Buffalo.

    I think this is bang-on. Why play a neutral site game that you have to market, advertise, etc. when you can play it in Philly and sell it out without doing any work.[/quote]

    [sarcasm] Why not just make a travel team? We all know that MLB would make more money if the Phillies, Red Sox and Yankees play 75% of their “road” games at home. Ticket revenue would be up vs. if the Yankees went to KC, just have KC come to them, same thing with the Phillies, no one goes to Florida to see the Marlins…so make them a permanent road team and keep the Big stadiums full!…tickets would sell “w/o doing any work”! [sarcasm]

  • Jeremy | May 13, 2010 at 12:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”389984″][quote comment=”389981″]Or possibly…[/quote]

    How ’bout Gayle Sayers?[/quote]

    or the legendary Steve Stipanovich? https://www.beckett....

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 12:17 pm |

    Yo, Mike Engle, aren’t your homies supposed to wait until the Habs actually win the Cup to do this sort of stuff?
    http://sports.espn.g...

    You need Sam Wyche to come up there and yell, “You don’t live in Philly! You live in Montreal!”

  • Mark in Shiga | May 13, 2010 at 12:33 pm |

    Speaking of this Phils-Jays games, is it going to actually count as a home game for Toronto in the records? Ticket sales distribution as if it were in Toronto, fine; uniforms, fine; but the game is actually being played in Philadelphia, so the Phillies should have 84 home games (or whatever) for the season. It kind of makes a mockery of the concept of home and road if a game can be moved to the opposite city but still be counted as if it’s in the original city, just because the commissioner says so.

  • LarenR | May 13, 2010 at 12:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”389960″]Paul, I’m surprised you chose the “No Porking” sign to showcase and not this one:
    http://www.nytimes.c...

    I particularly like the sign for I-whatever. But more importantly in that picture: since when is Pizza Hut an “Italian Bistro”?!

  • joe | May 13, 2010 at 12:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”389981″]Or possibly…[/quote]
    Sweet! is that yours?

  • Andy | May 13, 2010 at 12:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”389992″]Speaking of this Phils-Jays games, is it going to actually count as a home game for Toronto in the records? Ticket sales distribution as if it were in Toronto, fine; uniforms, fine; but the game is actually being played in Philadelphia, so the Phillies should have 84 home games (or whatever) for the season. It kind of makes a mockery of the concept of home and road if a game can be moved to the opposite city but still be counted as if it’s in the original city, just because the commissioner says so.[/quote]

    Correct. If it had to be moved, it should have been moved to a neutral site.

  • LI Phil | May 13, 2010 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”389978″]

    Next year I want a Dan Issel cake for myself:
    http://www.toptenz.n...

    wouldn’t this be more mental-age appropriate?

  • Mike Hersh | May 13, 2010 at 1:21 pm |

    This is in regards to yesterday’s wire photo post and the picture with the St. Louis Eagles banner in the background.

    The player pictured is Harry Foster of the Boston Olympics. The picture is from 1935.

  • James Craven | May 13, 2010 at 1:26 pm |

    As per the Brewers throwbacks, their 1980s duds will be worn when they play the Mariners.

    In an interleague game June 25th.

    Here’s the press release saying so.

  • jeff from detroit | May 13, 2010 at 1:27 pm |

    heres a photo of nicklas lidstrom wearing a tigers jersey after throwing out the 1st pitch today. personally i dont like the C on it.

    http://twitter.com/O...

  • Andy | May 13, 2010 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”389958″]What’s the Vegas book on whether Marty Hicks’ wife even knows (not to mention cares)who Brown & Alcindor are?[/quote]

    I suppose an OJ cake would be crossing the line.

  • LI Phil | May 13, 2010 at 1:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”389987″]Totally digging the ESPN column today, Paul! I already made a concept with the road wordmark (no button up break) & sleeve patch of my team:

    http://img190.images...

    http://img517.images...

    nice job!

    if you feel like submitting that (or something similar) for a tweak…you know where to find me

  • JTH | May 13, 2010 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”389994″][quote comment=”389981″]Or possibly…[/quote]
    Sweet! is that yours?[/quote]
    No. I’d have been willing to fork over some cash for it, but not this much.

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 1:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”389996″][quote comment=”389978″]

    Next year I want a Dan Issel cake for myself:
    http://www.toptenz.n...

    wouldn’t this be more mental-age appropriate?[/quote]

    Perhaps…other times this might reflect my mental age: http://www.jerseyspe...

    Either way, I’m not a fan of black icing.

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 2:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”389995″][quote comment=”389992″]Speaking of this Phils-Jays games, is it going to actually count as a home game for Toronto in the records? Ticket sales distribution as if it were in Toronto, fine; uniforms, fine; but the game is actually being played in Philadelphia, so the Phillies should have 84 home games (or whatever) for the season. It kind of makes a mockery of the concept of home and road if a game can be moved to the opposite city but still be counted as if it’s in the original city, just because the commissioner says so.[/quote]

    Correct. If it had to be moved, it should have been moved to a neutral site.[/quote]

    How about some realism here from all those objecting to Philadelphia?

    Does anyone consider the logistics involved in making the stadium in Buffalo, say, MLB-usable for one lousy series? It’s nuts. Even at the lowest level, you’d have to brief ushers and gatekeepers and groundskeepers and press box attendants, etc., on MLB policies, etc. Just WAY too big a headache.

    Not to mention the Bisons do have they own schedule to play. Anyone even check to see if they’re home on those dates?

    Sure, maybe a neutral MLB site. But that, too, would just be far too big a pain in the ass. Clean out the home clubhouse to make room for the temporary “home” team, for example? And that’s just ONE element of it.

    It simply makes more sense all the way around to move the games to Philadelphia. It’s just one of those one-time oddities, such as storm damage to a stadium or some such. You go to the most logical and logistically feasible option.

    Mockery schmockery. They need to get the games in, and they need to do it with efficiency. Period. To think outside that particular box would be absurd. Playoffs or World Series would be a different story altogether, that I’ll give you. But this? It’s inter-league. Somebody was gonna play in an unfamiliar ballpark no matter how you slice it.

    So keep it simple. Move the series to Philadelphia and head on down the road. In the grand scheme of things it means zip. Maybe less than that.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 2:10 pm |

    One of these could be Ricko’s birthday cake:
    http://www1.pictures...

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”390006″]One of these could be Ricko’s birthday cake:
    http://www1.pictures...

    Doubt I’ll make one of them.

    And if the Mayans were right I’ll just barely make to the other
    (assuming I last THAT long, of course).

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | May 13, 2010 at 2:17 pm |

    ricko makes all too much sense with this

    even as a mets fan, (and it seems they’re the most upset about this)…it’s not that big a fuckin deal

    now…it DOES bring up and illustrate perfectly WHY interplague is ruining the game even further

    if this weren’t a one-shot one time only deal, as interleague is…there would be several other options, including swapping series

    as it is, the mets (and the braves, nats and marlins) have a legitimate beef that a division rival now gets three more “home” games and three less road games…and if the division is decided by 3 or less, who’s to say this one series wouldn’t be the tipping point?

    on the other hand, you gotta take care of your own business — win your own games and don’t worry about the phillies and don’t blame your failures on this stupid scheduling quirk

    teams ALREADY don’t play a ‘semibalanced’ sked because of the stupid interleague games, so what’s three more?

    if you wanted everything to be “fair” (which it’s not) then every team in one division should have the exact same number of games at home and away versus the exact same teams … which doesn’t exist

    it’s simply not feasible with interleague…which was maybe fun the first 10 times, now it’s just a blight…

    but as far as what ricko said?

    the man is spot on

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 2:21 pm |

    Depending on how folks born on Feb. 29th handle their birthdays, this could be their cake next year:
    http://store.bluebom...

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 2:28 pm |

    I’m just glad Holly owns up to her cake, instead of insisting on this one year in and year out:
    http://www.takejerse...

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 2:33 pm |

    OK, one more.

    You say your pre-schooler has a hard time making decisions? Have I got a birthday cake for you:
    http://www.takejerse...

  • Jon | May 13, 2010 at 2:33 pm |

    “He now reports that when she turned 33, he made her a Lew Alcindor cake.”

    For next year, she needs a Nolan Ryan cake in the Astros’ hideous rainbow jimmies uniform. Oh, the icing overload!

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 2:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”390011″]OK, one more.

    You say your pre-schooler has a hard time making decisions? Have I got a birthday cake for you:
    http://www.takejerse...

    Oops, I say, have I got a cake for you:
    http://www.outsideth...

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 2:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”390011″]OK, one more.

    You say your pre-schooler has a hard time making decisions? Have I got a birthday cake for you:
    http://www.takejerse...

    I was thinking Walter Payton.
    You don’t see a lot of navy blue food.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | May 13, 2010 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”390014″][quote comment=”390011″]OK, one more.

    You say your pre-schooler has a hard time making decisions? Have I got a birthday cake for you:
    http://www.takejerse...

    I was thinking Walter Payton.
    You don’t see a lot of navy blue food.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Columbia blue might be a bit less messy.

  • Mark K | May 13, 2010 at 2:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”390005″]
    Does anyone consider the logistics involved in making the stadium in Buffalo, say, MLB-usable for one lousy series? It’s nuts. Even at the lowest level, you’d have to brief ushers and gatekeepers and groundskeepers and press box attendants, etc., on MLB policies, etc. Just WAY too big a headache.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    They should’ve killed two logistic birds with one stone and moved the games to Puerto Rico.

    http://florida.marli...

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 2:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”390015″][quote comment=”390014″][quote comment=”390011″]OK, one more.

    You say your pre-schooler has a hard time making decisions? Have I got a birthday cake for you:
    http://www.takejerse...

    I was thinking Walter Payton.
    You don’t see a lot of navy blue food.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Columbia blue might be a bit less messy.[/quote]

    True. And it probably would take dump truck-ful of blue food coloring to get to navy blue.

    But ya gotta admit, navy blue frosting would be…something.

    —Ricko

  • mike 2 | May 13, 2010 at 3:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”390005″] In the grand scheme of things it means zip. Maybe less than that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I agree with everything else you said.

    On this last point, however, there’s a big feeling of insecurity around the Jays right now. 20 year old multipurpose stadium, just traded the teams only star, no prospect of ever being competitive. Now the team is giving away home dates. Its starting to feel like the Expos circa 2001.

    (The answer is to get out and support the team of course. But this is starting to feel familiar to Canadian baseball fans)

  • scott | May 13, 2010 at 3:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”390018″]
    On this last point, however, there’s a big feeling of insecurity around the Jays right now. 20 year old multipurpose stadium, just traded the teams only star, no prospect of ever being competitive. Now the team is giving away home dates. Its starting to feel like the Expos circa 2001.

    (The answer is to get out and support the team of course. But this is starting to feel familiar to Canadian baseball fans)[/quote]

    There are some eerie similarities to what happened in Montreal, which was a good baseball town until MLB decided to destroy the Expos by beginning to shift games to Puerto Rico, demanding a new stadium be built, etc. I find it interesting that a sport which wants to get into China and India and supposedly grow itself globally has done such a lousy job building up support in Canada.

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 3:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”390018″][quote comment=”390005″] In the grand scheme of things it means zip. Maybe less than that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I agree with everything else you said.

    On this last point, however, there’s a big feeling of insecurity around the Jays right now. 20 year old multipurpose stadium, just traded the teams only star, no prospect of ever being competitive. Now the team is giving away home dates. Its starting to feel like the Expos circa 2001.

    (The answer is to get out and support the team of course. But this is starting to feel familiar to Canadian baseball fans)[/quote]

    I meant, of course, that it likely means nothing on the playing field. Most players/managers will tell you that most times home field (except in post-season) means far, far less in baseball than it does in basketball, football and hockey.

    Unfortunately, Toronto’s current woes are pretty much irrelevant to MLB’s first priority, which is to get the games in on the scheduled dates, or as as close to them as possible.

    And whose stadium do we know for certain has no games scheduled those days? Well, the Phillies would quickly come to mind.

    No doubt it happens at a lousy time for the Blue Jays franchise. But this change likely would have been made even if they were the most solid franchise in MLB.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | May 13, 2010 at 3:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”390017″][quote comment=”390015″][quote comment=”390014″][quote comment=”390011″]OK, one more.

    You say your pre-schooler has a hard time making decisions? Have I got a birthday cake for you:
    http://www.takejerse...

    I was thinking Walter Payton.
    You don’t see a lot of navy blue food.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Columbia blue might be a bit less messy.[/quote]

    True. And it probably would take dump truck-ful of blue food coloring to get to navy blue.

    But ya gotta admit, navy blue frosting would be…something.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    We tried it one time. It was definitely… something.

  • JayJayDean | May 13, 2010 at 3:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”389949″]I’ve written in many places about the ’72 Dolphins uniform anomaly, but here it is again…

    The 1970 and 1971 team wore jerseys (both home and away) with no stripes; for 1972 the team got a new set of white jerseys (this was the first year they wore white at home). These jerseys did have sleeve striping, along with a very thin number font. However, many players continued to wear the older jerseys with no striping.

    In 1973 the Dolphins revised their jerseys once again, no both the aqua and white jerseys had striping, along with a thicker number font.[/quote]

    I didn’t notice the stripes – the thing that I always notice is that the numerals are different on the front of the jerseys than the back.

    Here is a view of Mercury Morris from Super Bowl VII, showing the front and side. Note the serif in the 2 on the front.

    Here is a shot of Mercury from the same game – he’s on the left – and you can see that the back of his jersey has a “2” with no serif.

  • JayJayDean | May 13, 2010 at 3:27 pm |

    Dang it, messed up that second link.

    Merc’s back.

  • concealed78 | May 13, 2010 at 3:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”389995″][quote comment=”389992″]Speaking of this Phils-Jays games, is it going to actually count as a home game for Toronto in the records? Ticket sales distribution as if it were in Toronto, fine; uniforms, fine; but the game is actually being played in Philadelphia, so the Phillies should have 84 home games (or whatever) for the season. It kind of makes a mockery of the concept of home and road if a game can be moved to the opposite city but still be counted as if it’s in the original city, just because the commissioner says so.[/quote]

    Correct. If it had to be moved, it should have been moved to a neutral site.[/quote]

    They’ve done that before:

    http://www.baseball-...

    Even in a baseball town, it’s not an ideal situation (and I did attend that game). Best seats for $10 I ever had. Sat behind home plate which is now the scout seats.

  • Jim McCue | May 13, 2010 at 3:37 pm |

    I like the Legend Gray unis and contacted Under Armour about availability of those jerseys for retail sale (as a Pepperdine grad, I wanted to grab one of those). Here’s the response I got from UA:

    Dear Jim,

    Thank you for contacting Under Armour® with your question. It is our goal to deliver a premium shopping experience to match our unparalleled product.

    With regards to your inquiry concerning our Legend Gray jerseys, we are only supplying these to our sponsored schools. At this time, there now there is no plan to take these products to retail.

    I guess I can only hope that Paul somehow gets some of those jerseys and raffles them off (or sends me one directly).

  • Jeremy | May 13, 2010 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”390024″][quote comment=”389995″][quote comment=”389992″]Speaking of this Phils-Jays games, is it going to actually count as a home game for Toronto in the records? Ticket sales distribution as if it were in Toronto, fine; uniforms, fine; but the game is actually being played in Philadelphia, so the Phillies should have 84 home games (or whatever) for the season. It kind of makes a mockery of the concept of home and road if a game can be moved to the opposite city but still be counted as if it’s in the original city, just because the commissioner says so.[/quote]

    Correct. If it had to be moved, it should have been moved to a neutral site.[/quote]

    They’ve done that before:

    http://www.baseball-...

    Even in a baseball town, it’s not an ideal situation (and I did attend that game). Best seats for $10 I ever had. Sat behind home plate which is now the scout seats.[/quote]

    There was this one too, forgive me if it’s been mentioned before http://scores.espn.g...

  • Gazzoo | May 13, 2010 at 3:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”390023″]Dang it, messed up that second link.

    Merc’s back.[/quote]

    Notice the lack of stripes and different number font nad thickness on Griese’s jersey…

  • Andy | May 13, 2010 at 3:46 pm |

    The Indians played some home games in Milwaukee a couple seasons ago, since part of their opening series in Cleveland was snowed out, if I remember correctly.

  • concealed78 | May 13, 2010 at 3:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”390002″][quote comment=”389987″]Totally digging the ESPN column today, Paul! I already made a concept with the road wordmark (no button up break) & sleeve patch of my team:

    http://img190.images...

    http://img517.images...

    nice job!

    if you feel like submitting that (or something similar) for a tweak…you know where to find me[/quote]

    Thanks! You know this large swatch opens the doors to many more possibilities in tweaking.

  • lose remerswaal | May 13, 2010 at 4:03 pm |

    Submitted without comment: The logo for the 420 Football League

    http://thebiglead.co...

    The NFL is NOT going to be happy about this!

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 4:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”390030″]Submitted without comment: The logo for the 420 Football League

    http://thebiglead.co...

    The NFL is NOT going to be happy about this![/quote]

    Quite possibly defensible as parody, and therefore covered by the right to free speech.

    And the NFL, being as monolithic and public as it is, certainly knows by now it is subject to “Fair Comment and Criticism”.

    Beyond that, I’ll leave any further analysis to the barristers among us.

    —Ricko

  • JimWa | May 13, 2010 at 4:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”389986″][quote comment=”389984″][quote comment=”389981″]Or possibly…[/quote]

    How ’bout Gayle Sayers?[/quote]
    I’d rather have a cake that isn’t bitter.[/quote]

    That’s the worst Cubs concept I’ve ever seen (right behind the current blue softball tops).

    No offense, of course.

  • Scott Friend | May 13, 2010 at 4:37 pm |

    Anyone notice that at the espn.go.com/page2 website there is no evidence of Paul’s latest column. I was able to read it through his link, but can’t find it at the site.

  • Michael Emody | May 13, 2010 at 4:43 pm |

    The Mitchell and Ness blog is pretty cool. And I’ve got to hand it to them: their attention to detail has improved dramatically in recent years.

  • M.Princip | May 13, 2010 at 4:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”390030″]Submitted without comment: The logo for the 420 Football League

    http://thebiglead.co...

    The NFL is NOT going to be happy about this![/quote]

    To see them run audibles at the line in this league is well worth the price of the ticket. :o)

  • James Hayden | May 13, 2010 at 4:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”390018″][quote comment=”390005″] In the grand scheme of things it means zip. Maybe less than that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I agree with everything else you said.

    On this last point, however, there’s a big feeling of insecurity around the Jays right now. 20 year old multipurpose stadium, just traded the teams only star, no prospect of ever being competitive. Now the team is giving away home dates. Its starting to feel like the Expos circa 2001.

    (The answer is to get out and support the team of course. But this is starting to feel familiar to Canadian baseball fans)[/quote]

    Hmmm – maybe from the perspective of Toronto fans it’s a good idea for the Jays at this point not to play this game (or any other game) at Buffalo (or Indianapolis, or Nashville for that matter, if you get my drift…)

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 5:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”390036″][quote comment=”390018″][quote comment=”390005″] In the grand scheme of things it means zip. Maybe less than that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I agree with everything else you said.

    On this last point, however, there’s a big feeling of insecurity around the Jays right now. 20 year old multipurpose stadium, just traded the teams only star, no prospect of ever being competitive. Now the team is giving away home dates. Its starting to feel like the Expos circa 2001.

    (The answer is to get out and support the team of course. But this is starting to feel familiar to Canadian baseball fans)[/quote]

    Hmmm – maybe from the perspective of Toronto fans it’s a good idea for the Jays at this point not to play this game (or any other game) at Buffalo (or Indianapolis, or Nashville for that matter, if you get my drift…)[/quote]

    While we’re on that subject, sort of…

    (Not entering combat here, honestly asking for some realistic evaluation and/or updating)

    What markets have ballparks even close to being MLB ready, as far as a true MLB park, or have plans to build one? Or what municipalities have, other than Las Vegas, I suppose, made any noise whatsoever lately about really pushing for a team…especially in this still-staggerling economy?

    Reminds me of the Twins’ threats to leave Minnesota a while back. Many of us asked, “And just where exactly would they go, seriously?” Charlotte? No park, and none in the offing.

    Truly, the last reasonable and viable option on the board for any team was D.C., and the Expos took it.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 5:13 pm |

    “staggerling”? That’s what happens when you first type “struggling” and then think “staggering” would a much more interesting word.

    And, of course, you end up with even more interesting than you imagined.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | May 13, 2010 at 5:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”390032″][quote comment=”389986″][quote comment=”389984″][quote comment=”389981″]Or possibly…[/quote]

    How ’bout Gayle Sayers?[/quote]
    I’d rather have a cake that isn’t bitter.[/quote]

    That’s the worst Cubs concept I’ve ever seen (right behind the current blue softball tops).

    No offense, of course.[/quote]
    Cubs concept? What am I missing?

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 5:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”390039″][quote comment=”390032″][quote comment=”389986″][quote comment=”389984″][quote comment=”389981″]Or possibly…[/quote]

    How ’bout Gayle Sayers?[/quote]
    I’d rather have a cake that isn’t bitter.[/quote]

    That’s the worst Cubs concept I’ve ever seen (right behind the current blue softball tops).

    No offense, of course.[/quote]
    Cubs concept? What am I missing?[/quote]

    Generally, or just now?

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 5:19 pm |

    Oops, forgot.

    ba dum bum

  • JTH | May 13, 2010 at 5:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”390040″][quote comment=”390039″][quote comment=”390032″][quote comment=”389986″][quote comment=”389984″][quote comment=”389981″]Or possibly…[/quote]

    How ’bout Gayle Sayers?[/quote]
    I’d rather have a cake that isn’t bitter.[/quote]

    That’s the worst Cubs concept I’ve ever seen (right behind the current blue softball tops).

    No offense, of course.[/quote]
    Cubs concept? What am I missing?[/quote]

    Generally, or just now?[/quote]
    Both?

    I dunno. I’m just wondering what a Darren Pang jersey has to do with a Cubs concept.

    …unless you’re all seeing a totally different image when you click that link.

  • Paul Lukas | May 13, 2010 at 5:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”390033″]Anyone notice that at the espn.go.com/page2 website there is no evidence of Paul’s latest column. I was able to read it through his link, but can’t find it at the site.[/quote]

    They decided to hold it until tomorrow, but they had already given me the URL and said it was OK to post it here. It will be “officially” published tomorrow, but you guys got what amounted to a sneak peek.

  • mike 2 | May 13, 2010 at 5:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”390031″][quote comment=”390030″]Submitted without comment: The logo for the 420 Football League

    http://thebiglead.co...

    The NFL is NOT going to be happy about this![/quote]

    Quite possibly defensible as parody, and therefore covered by the right to free speech.

    And the NFL, being as monolithic and public as it is, certainly knows by now it is subject to “Fair Comment and Criticism”.

    Beyond that, I’ll leave any further analysis to the barristers among us.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Concepts like parody and fair comment apply to copyright infringement, not trademark.

    Trademark infringement requires that a reasonable consumer be confused by the infringing mark. So the only likely defence is that its so far out there nobody is likely to be confused.

    But I wouldn’t bet money on going up against the NFL and winning.

  • joe | May 13, 2010 at 5:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”390024″][quote comment=”389995″][quote comment=”389992″]Speaking of this Phils-Jays games, is it going to actually count as a home game for Toronto in the records? Ticket sales distribution as if it were in Toronto, fine; uniforms, fine; but the game is actually being played in Philadelphia, so the Phillies should have 84 home games (or whatever) for the season. It kind of makes a mockery of the concept of home and road if a game can be moved to the opposite city but still be counted as if it’s in the original city, just because the commissioner says so.[/quote]

    Correct. If it had to be moved, it should have been moved to a neutral site.[/quote]

    They’ve done that before:

    http://www.baseball-...

    Even in a baseball town, it’s not an ideal situation (and I did attend that game). Best seats for $10 I ever had. Sat behind home plate which is now the scout seats.[/quote]
    even better, when Zambrano of the cubs threw a no hitter against the astros, the game was in Milwaukee due to the hurrican in TX. they played all 3 games in WI.

  • Mike Engle | May 13, 2010 at 5:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”390042″][quote comment=”390040″][quote comment=”390039″][quote comment=”390032″][quote comment=”389986″][quote comment=”389984″][quote comment=”389981″]Or possibly…[/quote]

    How ’bout Gayle Sayers?[/quote]
    I’d rather have a cake that isn’t bitter.[/quote]

    That’s the worst Cubs concept I’ve ever seen (right behind the current blue softball tops).

    No offense, of course.[/quote]
    Cubs concept? What am I missing?[/quote]

    Generally, or just now?[/quote]
    Both?

    I dunno. I’m just wondering what a Darren Pang jersey has to do with a Cubs concept.

    …unless you’re all seeing a totally different image when you click that link.[/quote]
    Judges?
    Sorry guys, the answer we were looking for on the Darren Pang cake was:
    “No way that tiny cake is serving everybody!”
    As for that being a Cubs cake, something must have gone through that poster’s six-hole. (That’s Pang slang for ‘over the head.’)

  • joe | May 13, 2010 at 5:49 pm |

    that’s not nice, just because he had to jump to touch the crossbar..

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 5:50 pm |

    We like numbers, right?

    Okay, I’m the guy who said home field isn’t that big a deal in MLB during the regular season.

    Here are a couple exceptions I just heard discussed on the radio. And, like all exceptions, they prove the rule rather than refute it. Because they ARE exceptions.

    1. During the years the Twins played indoors, only the Red Sox and Yankees had a higher winning percentage at home.

    2. Since 2002, the Twins are 3-23 at Yankee Stadium (that DOES include playoffs).

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 5:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”390044″][quote comment=”390031″][quote comment=”390030″]Submitted without comment: The logo for the 420 Football League

    http://thebiglead.co...

    The NFL is NOT going to be happy about this![/quote]

    Quite possibly defensible as parody, and therefore covered by the right to free speech.

    And the NFL, being as monolithic and public as it is, certainly knows by now it is subject to “Fair Comment and Criticism”.

    Beyond that, I’ll leave any further analysis to the barristers among us.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Concepts like parody and fair comment apply to copyright infringement, not trademark.

    Trademark infringement requires that a reasonable consumer be confused by the infringing mark. So the only likely defence is that its so far out there nobody is likely to be confused.

    But I wouldn’t bet money on going up against the NFL and winning.[/quote]

    See, I knew someone would sort it out.
    Thanks, mike 2.

  • Ben Fortney | May 13, 2010 at 6:01 pm |

    Biz of Baseball has an article explaining that the Jays have much bigger problems than just the loss of a home series. Their solution: realignment.

  • rpm | May 13, 2010 at 6:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”389962″][quote comment=”389948″]so the blue rocks ditched the powder rups? i hope they dumped the cap, vest and sleeves in the process

    cuz navy rups with all that powder won’t make the light blue look any better

    /macho men don’t wear powderblue…that’s the mindset?[/quote]

    I hope those powder blue stirrups will be a Robert Marshall Stirrup of the Month one day soon.[/quote]

    that’s columbia blue everyone, not powder, and yes i want to do some in that shade.

  • Mike Engle | May 13, 2010 at 6:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”389991″]Yo, Mike Engle, aren’t your homies supposed to wait until the Habs actually win the Cup to do this sort of stuff?
    http://sports.espn.g...

    You need Sam Wyche to come up there and yell, “You don’t live in Philly! You live in Montreal!”[/quote]
    Ideally, yes, we would wait. But given that (a) the Habs have not won the Cup since 1993, (b) we’re a Cinderella and we just beat Crosby, a very polarizing player, and to a lesser degree, (c) the Habs aren’t at the Forum anymore (the new Forum is in a slightly sketchier area), que sera, sera.
    (If the Bruins beat the Flyers, and then when the Habs beat the Bruins, I’m building a radioactive bunker. The “best” riots happen at the Bruins’ expense.)

  • Ben Fortney | May 13, 2010 at 6:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”390051″]
    that’s columbia blue everyone, not powder, and yes i want to do some in that shade.[/quote]

    Ooooh. It’s been a decade+ since my last foray into stirrupville, but I want in on that one.

  • LI Phil | May 13, 2010 at 6:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”390054″] It’s been a decade+ since my last foray into stirrupville, but I want in on that one.[/quote]

    only on UW would a comment like that make total sense, and be generally greeted with a hearty *harumph* from the assembled patrons

  • Beats in Buffalo | May 13, 2010 at 6:28 pm |

    Since noone else has taken a run at Ricko’s question I’ll throw in my 2 cents.

    I won’t speak for every larger size (NFL, NHL, NBA city without a MLB team) but in my opinion as much as I would love it, Buffalo could not support a MLB team. While their current stadium was built with addition in mind to attract a MLB team during the expansion days of the ’90s the city itself could not support a team.

    The MLB season with its 81 game home schedule would just be too much for local fans to support. The Bills can fill a 70,000+ stadium 8 games a year and the Sabres can fill the HSBC arena with 18,000 for the full NHL home schedule because Buffalo is a strong hockey city and the proximity to the Canadian border and the difficulty of getting Toronto Maple Leafs tickets doesn’t hurt either.

    The bigger battle in my opinion that would present a MLB team in Buffalo is the incredibly divided aligences of Buffalo baseball fans. Buffalo is full of a mix of fans supporting the Yankees, Mets, Indians and in recent years Red Sox fans. Any MLB team in Buffalo would have to convert fans from existing and strong fan bases.

    While there would be some obsticles it wouldn’t be impossible just a long term project. I would support a team, but I don’t think Major leagues like to get involved in anything other than a sure thing.

    Sorry for the long post, but I hope some others take a run at Ricko’s question I always find expansion/relocation talk interesting.

  • JTH | May 13, 2010 at 6:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”390046″]Sorry guys, the answer we were looking for on the Darren Pang cake was:
    “No way that tiny cake is serving everybody!”[/quote]
    I’m watching my figure.

    Y’know, I really wish that auction listing would have given the dimensions on that jersey.

    You could probably fit two Pangers into someone like Pekka Rinne’s jersey. Hell, you could probably fit two of him into Duncan Keith’s jersey.

  • LI Phil | May 13, 2010 at 6:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”390053″]given that (a) the Habs have not won the Cup since 1993[/quote]

    spoken like a true yankee fan

  • Jim BC | May 13, 2010 at 7:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”390057″][quote comment=”390046″]Sorry guys, the answer we were looking for on the Darren Pang cake was:
    “No way that tiny cake is serving everybody!”[/quote]
    I’m watching my figure.

    Y’know, I really wish that auction listing would have given the dimensions on that jersey.

    You could probably fit two Pangers into someone like Pekka Rinne’s jersey. Hell, you could probably fit two of him into Duncan Keith’s jersey.[/quote]
    Man, those late 80’s/early 90’s Hawks jerseys were the absolute best in hockey. Too bad they’ve been brought down to earth with the Edge bib. Sigh.

  • frankenslade | May 13, 2010 at 8:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”389992″]Speaking of this Phils-Jays games, is it going to actually count as a home game for Toronto in the records? Ticket sales distribution as if it were in Toronto, fine; uniforms, fine; but the game is actually being played in Philadelphia, so the Phillies should have 84 home games (or whatever) for the season. It kind of makes a mockery of the concept of home and road if a game can be moved to the opposite city but still be counted as if it’s in the original city, just because the commissioner says so.[/quote]
    Let’s face it, the Blue Jays and MLB did this simply to bum out Mets fans.

    Truth be told, the Jays players will probably enjoy having an audience and some fresh air. I was at a couple of late-May games in that stadium of theirs and they closed the roof on a perfectly fine, if cloudy, 60-degree day. The Phillies usually stink in (regular season) interleague play, whether home or away. Didn’t the Orioles sweep them a year or two ago?

  • Don Amidon | May 13, 2010 at 8:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”389946″]We need to hurry up and get Stephen Strasburg to the majors so he isn’t forced to wear intimidating pink tops.

    http://www.syracuse....

    It was cancer awareness night in Syracuse.

    Or the Chiefs laundry screwed up again.

  • rob | May 13, 2010 at 9:55 pm |

    Don’t think this has popped up yet…here’s another poor picture showing the back of the new Notre Dame jersey. I hate it, what was wrong with the simplicity of the past few years?
    http://www.twitpic.c...

  • scott | May 13, 2010 at 9:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”390060″]
    The MLB season with its 81 game home schedule would just be too much for local fans to support. The Bills can fill a 70,000+ stadium 8 games a year and the Sabres can fill the HSBC arena with 18,000 for the full NHL home schedule because Buffalo is a strong hockey city and the proximity to the Canadian border and the difficulty of getting Toronto Maple Leafs tickets doesn’t hurt either.

    The bigger battle in my opinion that would present a MLB team in Buffalo is the incredibly divided aligences of Buffalo baseball fans. Buffalo is full of a mix of fans supporting the Yankees, Mets, Indians and in recent years Red Sox fans. Any MLB team in Buffalo would have to convert fans from existing and strong fan bases.
    [/quote]

    I’ve never bought the concept that a city is somehow a “hockey” town or a “basketball” town or a “baseball” town. To me, it’s not clear that Buffalo is really big enough to be supporting hockey or football, as it is, so adding MLB wouldn’t make much sense.

    The issue of converting fans seems to be less of an issue. Put a good team on the field and you’ll get a loyal base of fans in a few years. I don’t see how the challenge is any greater than what putting an expansion or relocated team anywhere would face…

  • James Hayden | May 13, 2010 at 10:12 pm |

    Re: Ricko’s question.

    Since I sort-of started it, and really based on opinion, rather than hard facts. Of course, based on “the facts” I really never thought DC would ever get a MLB team and I won’t mention Baltimore getting the Browns – either time.

    I’d think any AAA city that supports an NFL team could possibly be seen as the potential home of an MLB team – either through movement or (shudder) expansion. I mentioned Buffalo, Indy and Nashville and completely forgot about Charlotte, but they all could be seen as having potential.

    – Prior to the Mayflower vans leaving Owings Mills, who would have thought the Colts would move to Indy (the Colts did play lots of “home” pre-season games outside of Charm City, but never in Indy – a notorious “basketball” town if there ever was one). Of course, having the Dome already build didn’t hurt. It doesn’t hurt that the Indians got a nice new (expandable) ballpark a few years ago too.
    – Honestly, Memphis was the town in TN that constantly tried for an NFL team (by supporting WFL, USFL, CFL etc. teams over the years) – not Nashville. I lived near Nashville in the early 90’s, football was either UT or Vandy and maybe the Redskins (but only because of Heath Shuler). There was, however, a bit of a movement at the time I lived there to try for a MLB, NBA or NHL (which they got) team even back then.
    – Charlotte experienced a huge growth spurt that resulted in the Panthers – but also moved up from AA to AAA with little effort (and the nearby Durham Bulls went from A to AAA – although Kevin Costner and Susan Sarandon may have had something to do with it).
    – And Buffalo fans may be a bit “overextended” with the economy of Western NY, but the “what if” romantic in me remembers that this is the only city from Mr. Rickey’s abortive Continental League that didn’t eventually get their team.
    – The other “open” city I always think of with potential is, of course, Las Vegas – I’m actually amazed the A’s didn’t jump there during the time they had the AAA team there. If MLB, or the NFL for that matter, ever got over the whole “Sin City” thing, somebody would be either passing a stadium construction bond or losing a franchise.

    My (long winded – I apologize) opinion/point is that until the move/expansion is made, one can’t really know what the result may be. Fans can be swayed by a “new” team – especially if they are good. Even if not, there is a civic pride factor (for example the DC vs Baltimore baseball rivalry extends down to the low-minors and the Ravens/Redskins pre-season game will guarantee a sell-out at either stadium). Once we’re past that is really does simply come down to money – can the existing franchise make more money somewhere else? Is the grass greener somewhere else? Is expansion (and further dilution of talent) worth it? How about re-traction?

    Again, if I was a Jays fan, I’d be much happier with the games in Philly than any “neutral” site not currently occupied by an existing team…

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 10:22 pm |

    Easy enough to spot open markets.

    I was wondering which ones, if any, have the facilities, the motivated officials/communities/businesses or anyone waving money around to build a proper ballpark…and possibly also buy the club.

    I haven’t heard much talk from any markets lately and wondered if I’d missed it.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 10:31 pm |

    See, the root of all the contraction talk a few years didn’t have one damn thing to do with parity or competition. I had to do with, “We can’t compete and don’t have any markets to threaten our current communities with, so why don’t you give four of us $75 million each and we’ll just fold.”

    And that’s still the situation, basically. Yeah, the Blue Jays may have issues, but just where exactly can they go? Where’s the market that’s ready, willing and able to take them?

    It was relatively uncomplex, for example, for the Sonics to become the Thunder. Most cities of any size have an acceptable arena or convention center. An MLB-caliber ballpark with luxury boxes and all, though, is a whollllllle different animal.

    Can BC Place accomodate baseball? If so, Vancouver actually may be the most prepared—in terms of a facilty–of any non-MLB market. But no one there seems to be interested. And the Mariners probably would scream bloody murder.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 10:34 pm |

    And I don’t think anyone in MLB would want their only team in Canada to be in the Pacific Time Zone. Really would diminish TV ad revenue, losing the Eastern half of the country right about the time of the first pitch in a home game.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | May 13, 2010 at 10:50 pm |

    pittsburgh could always use a major league team

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 10:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”390021″][quote comment=”390017″][quote comment=”390015″][quote comment=”390014″][quote comment=”390011″]OK, one more.

    You say your pre-schooler has a hard time making decisions? Have I got a birthday cake for you:
    http://www.takejerse...

    I was thinking Walter Payton.
    You don’t see a lot of navy blue food.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Columbia blue might be a bit less messy.[/quote]

    True. And it probably would take dump truck-ful of blue food coloring to get to navy blue.

    But ya gotta admit, navy blue frosting would be…something.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    We tried it one time. It was definitely… something.[/quote]

    Y’all missed my correction:

    [quote comment=”390013″]Oops, I say, have I got a cake for you:
    http://www.outsideth...

    But you’re right about the frosting. I’ve had some yummy Columbia blue before. I think navy would be as bad as black.

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 10:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”390068″]pittsburgh could always use a major league team[/quote]

    It’s not mean if it’s true…

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 11:02 pm |

    That sound you just heard was thousands of Cavs fans sinking lower than the remains of the Coliseum. It was followed by a buzz in Chicago and NY as the Summer of LeBron now begins.

    The person I feel worse for is Cavs announcer Joe Tait. The man should have the honor of calling a winner at least once before he retires.

    If I’m rooting strictly by unis for the rest of the playoffs, Go Lakers. As a fan, Go Lakers or Suns.

  • LI Phil | May 13, 2010 at 11:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”390071″]That sound you just heard was thousands of Cavs fans sinking lower than the remains of the Coliseum. It was followed by a buzz in Chicago and NY as the Summer of LeBron now begins.

    The person I feel worse for is Cavs announcer Joe Tait. The man should have the honor of calling a winner at least once before he retires.

    If I’m rooting strictly by unis for the rest of the playoffs, Go Lakers. As a fan, Go Lakers or Suns.[/quote]

    don’t feel bad jim…LbJ will be back in boston soon enough

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 11:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”390072″][quote comment=”390071″]That sound you just heard was thousands of Cavs fans sinking lower than the remains of the Coliseum. It was followed by a buzz in Chicago and NY as the Summer of LeBron now begins.

    The person I feel worse for is Cavs announcer Joe Tait. The man should have the honor of calling a winner at least once before he retires.

    If I’m rooting strictly by unis for the rest of the playoffs, Go Lakers. As a fan, Go Lakers or Suns.[/quote]

    don’t feel bad jim…LbJ will be back in boston soon enough[/quote]

    Might want to tweak a Bulls uni while you’re at it.

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 11:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”390071″]That sound you just heard was thousands of Cavs fans sinking lower than the remains of the Coliseum. It was followed by a buzz in Chicago and NY as the Summer of LeBron now begins.

    The person I feel worse for is Cavs announcer Joe Tait. The man should have the honor of calling a winner at least once before he retires.

    If I’m rooting strictly by unis for the rest of the playoffs, Go Lakers. As a fan, Go Lakers or Suns.[/quote]

    On a semi-related note (and meaning no dumping on Pens fans), it’s kinda fun to see the Habs still hanging around in the playoffs.

    If it turns out to be Chicago and Montreal in the finals, would be first Original Six final since ’79.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 11:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”390065″]Easy enough to spot open markets.

    I was wondering which ones, if any, have the facilities, the motivated officials/communities/businesses or anyone waving money around to build a proper ballpark…and possibly also buy the club.

    I haven’t heard much talk from any markets lately and wondered if I’d missed it.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    With a little upgrade, this place might be available…
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 11:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”390073″][quote comment=”390072″][quote comment=”390071″]That sound you just heard was thousands of Cavs fans sinking lower than the remains of the Coliseum. It was followed by a buzz in Chicago and NY as the Summer of LeBron now begins.

    The person I feel worse for is Cavs announcer Joe Tait. The man should have the honor of calling a winner at least once before he retires.

    If I’m rooting strictly by unis for the rest of the playoffs, Go Lakers. As a fan, Go Lakers or Suns.[/quote]

    don’t feel bad jim…LbJ will be back in boston soon enough[/quote]

    Might want to tweak a Bulls uni while you’re at it.[/quote]

    Yeah, I’d keep an eye on them. Much better team than the Knicks already, great town for marketing opportunities (huge advertising center, in many ways the equal of NY) and if such a thing as “playing in Michael’s shadow” really mattered to athletes, no one any good would ever sign with the Yankees.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | May 13, 2010 at 11:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”390075″][quote comment=”390065″]Easy enough to spot open markets.

    I was wondering which ones, if any, have the facilities, the motivated officials/communities/businesses or anyone waving money around to build a proper ballpark…and possibly also buy the club.

    I haven’t heard much talk from any markets lately and wondered if I’d missed it.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    With a little upgrade, this place might be available…
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Been there. Really cool.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | May 13, 2010 at 11:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”390076″][quote comment=”390073″][quote comment=”390072″][quote comment=”390071″]That sound you just heard was thousands of Cavs fans sinking lower than the remains of the Coliseum. It was followed by a buzz in Chicago and NY as the Summer of LeBron now begins.

    The person I feel worse for is Cavs announcer Joe Tait. The man should have the honor of calling a winner at least once before he retires.

    If I’m rooting strictly by unis for the rest of the playoffs, Go Lakers. As a fan, Go Lakers or Suns.[/quote]

    don’t feel bad jim…LbJ will be back in boston soon enough[/quote]

    Might want to tweak a Bulls uni while you’re at it.[/quote]

    Yeah, I’d keep an eye on them. Much better team than the Knicks already, great town for marketing opportunities (huge advertising center, in many ways the equal of NY) and if such a thing as “playing in Michael’s shadow” really mattered to athletes, no one any good would ever sign with the Yankees.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    And put the correct number on there while you’re at it.

    Honestly, I don’t think he’s going anywhere. But if he does leave Cleveland, the Nets will be where he ends up.

  • LI Phil | May 13, 2010 at 11:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”390076″]Much better team than the Knicks already[/quote]

    true…but that’s not saying much

    and if the knicks add d-wade or bosh or another top tier free agent (whom they have already cleared space for)…they can get real good real quick

    i see the knicks handing the king 2 pieces of paper…the first will be the max contract, the second will be blank…and on which he will simply be asked to provide the name of a FA with whom he’d like to win a title

  • JTH | May 13, 2010 at 11:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”390079″][quote comment=”390076″]Much better team than the Knicks already[/quote]

    true…but that’s not saying much

    and if the knicks add d-wade or bosh or another top tier free agent (whom they have already cleared space for)…they can get real good real quick

    i see the knicks handing the king 2 pieces of paper…the first will be the max contract, the second will be blank…and on which he will simply be asked to provide the name of a FA with whom he’d like to win a title[/quote]
    Oh, yeah. Put those two in there with Tracy McGrady and his 12 games per season, Chris Duhon and his sub-40 field goal percentage and Eddy Curry and his… Eddy Curry-ness and that’s a formidable lineup built for the postseason.

  • JimV19 | May 13, 2010 at 11:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”390078″][quote comment=”390076″][quote comment=”390073″][quote comment=”390072″][quote comment=”390071″]That sound you just heard was thousands of Cavs fans sinking lower than the remains of the Coliseum. It was followed by a buzz in Chicago and NY as the Summer of LeBron now begins.

    The person I feel worse for is Cavs announcer Joe Tait. The man should have the honor of calling a winner at least once before he retires.

    If I’m rooting strictly by unis for the rest of the playoffs, Go Lakers. As a fan, Go Lakers or Suns.[/quote]

    don’t feel bad jim…LbJ will be back in boston soon enough[/quote]

    Might want to tweak a Bulls uni while you’re at it.[/quote]

    Yeah, I’d keep an eye on them. Much better team than the Knicks already, great town for marketing opportunities (huge advertising center, in many ways the equal of NY) and if such a thing as “playing in Michael’s shadow” really mattered to athletes, no one any good would ever sign with the Yankees.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    And put the correct number on there while you’re at it.

    Honestly, I don’t think he’s going anywhere. But if he does leave Cleveland, the Nets will be where he ends up.[/quote]

    I can’t really get a feeling either way. I do think the whole #6 thing was a nod to the Bulls, even though he wouldn’t have to apply for a number change by going there.

    I can see the Nets being a contender, but I’d pick Miami over them.

  • LI Phil | May 13, 2010 at 11:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”390080″]
    Oh, yeah. Put those two in there with Tracy McGrady and his 12 games per season, Chris Duhon and his sub-40 field goal percentage and Eddy Curry and his… Eddy Curry-ness and that’s a formidable lineup built for the postseason.[/quote]

    perhaps you weren’t familiar with the salary shedding the knicks did JUST FOR 2010

    approximately $68 million OFF the books

    including t-mac…now…if they could only find a taker for curry…think the bulls want him back?

  • Teebz | May 13, 2010 at 11:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”390079″]
    and if the knicks add d-wade or another top tier free agent (whom they have already cleared space for)…they can get real good real quick[/quote]

    I needed to delete Bosh out of that equation. Otherwise, the Raptors would be in a much better position than they’ve found themselves in since Vinny Carter flew the coop.

  • JTH | May 14, 2010 at 12:04 am |

    [quote comment=”390082″][quote comment=”390080″]
    Oh, yeah. Put those two in there with Tracy McGrady and his 12 games per season, Chris Duhon and his sub-40 field goal percentage and Eddy Curry and his… Eddy Curry-ness and that’s a formidable lineup built for the postseason.[/quote]

    perhaps you weren’t familiar with the salary shedding the knicks did JUST FOR 2010

    approximately $68 million OFF the books

    including t-mac…now…if they could only find a taker for curry…think the bulls want him back?[/quote]
    Honestly, when I posted that, I had no idea which (if any) of those guys are still with the team.

    So, you look at what’s remaining and you see a roster full of role players who’ll assure O’Brien trophies for years to come?

    I mean, sure, the NBA’s formula requires 2 superstars to win it, but you still have to have some depth.

  • JimV19 | May 14, 2010 at 12:04 am |

    [quote comment=\”390074\”](and meaning no dumping on Pens fans), it\’s kinda fun to see the Habs still hanging around in the playoffs.

    If it turns out to be Chicago and Montreal in the finals, would be first Original Six final since \’79.[/quote]

    Gotta admit, that would be interesting. If those two make the finals, I might not wait until one team has three wins before I start watching.

    If the Flyers are in, I\’m not watching any of it.

  • LI Phil | May 14, 2010 at 12:08 am |

    [quote comment=”390085″]
    Honestly, when I posted that, I had no idea which (if any) of those guys are still with the team.

    So, you look at what’s remaining and you see a roster full of role players who’ll assure O’Brien trophies for years to come?

    I mean, sure, the NBA’s formula requires 2 superstars to win it, but you still have to have some depth.[/quote]

    no…that’s what the off season is for…to load up…mediocre role players to add to bosh/d-wade & lebron

    gallinari’s aight, no all star, but he’s aight…and david lee could be signed no matter what…but yeah

    aint much to build on

    one brick at a time tho

  • JTH | May 14, 2010 at 12:16 am |

    [quote comment=”390087″][quote comment=”390085″]
    Honestly, when I posted that, I had no idea which (if any) of those guys are still with the team.

    So, you look at what’s remaining and you see a roster full of role players who’ll assure O’Brien trophies for years to come?

    I mean, sure, the NBA’s formula requires 2 superstars to win it, but you still have to have some depth.[/quote]

    no…that’s what the off season is for…to load up…mediocre role players to add to bosh/d-wade & lebron

    gallinari’s aight, no all star, but he’s aight…and david lee could be signed no matter what…but yeah

    aint much to build on

    one brick at a time tho[/quote]
    Wilson Chandler ain’t bad, either.

    And getting rid of Duhon & McGrady is definitely addition by subtraction.

    Whatever. Fuck the Knicks.

  • JimV19 | May 14, 2010 at 12:17 am |

    [quote comment=”390085″][quote comment=”390082″][quote comment=”390080″]
    Oh, yeah. Put those two in there with Tracy McGrady and his 12 games per season, Chris Duhon and his sub-40 field goal percentage and Eddy Curry and his… Eddy Curry-ness and that’s a formidable lineup built for the postseason.[/quote]

    perhaps you weren’t familiar with the salary shedding the knicks did JUST FOR 2010

    approximately $68 million OFF the books

    including t-mac…now…if they could only find a taker for curry…think the bulls want him back?[/quote]
    Honestly, when I posted that, I had no idea which (if any) of those guys are still with the team.

    So, you look at what’s remaining and you see a roster full of role players who’ll assure O’Brien trophies for years to come?

    I mean, sure, the NBA’s formula requires 2 superstars to win it, but you still have to have some depth.[/quote]

    Not just any two superstars. You need a dominant center and a great guard. Okay, Bill Cartwright wasn’t exactly dominant, but Jordan kinda skewed things when he was traveling his way to six titles. And they had depth.

    Don’t see a dominant big guy on that Knicks roster, so they better have mucho depth.

  • JimV19 | May 14, 2010 at 12:20 am |

    [quote comment=”390087″]one brick at a time[/quote]

    Is that the title of this year’s Knicks highlight video?

  • LI Phil | May 14, 2010 at 12:25 am |

    [quote comment=”390090″][quote comment=”390087″]one brick at a time[/quote]

    Is that the title of this year’s Knicks highlight video?[/quote]

    that

    or lebron’s last two games in a cavs uni

  • interlockingtc | May 14, 2010 at 1:01 am |

    [quote comment=”390091″][quote comment=”390090″][quote comment=”390087″]one brick at a time[/quote]

    Is that the title of this year’s Knicks highlight video?[/quote]

    that

    or lebron’s last two games in a cavs uni[/quote]
    Bing! Phil for the win!