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Consistently Inconsistent

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As we all know, MLB teams aren’t very good when it comes to logo consistency. Among the problems: The Tigers use two very distinct “D” letterforms on their cap and their jersey; until recently the A’s used different logos on their caps and helmets (a practice that stopped as a direct result of Uni Watch!); the Yankees are a complete jumble; and just a few months ago we discussed how the “s” in the Indians script appears one way on the team’s official wordmark and scoreboard but a completely different way on the team’s jersey.

It shouldn’t surprise you to hear that Mets have a logo inconsistency of their own — one that I’ve long been aware of (and annoyed by) but have never bothered to write about, mainly because it’s always seemed like a puny problem compared to the team’s other aesthetic misseteps. But now, thanks to some outstanding work by reader Brian Erni, I can remain silent no longer. Because the Mets, true to form, have taken their inconsistency to a different level.

Bear with me here, because it takes a while to lay the groundwork for Brian’s observation. The key element here is the Mets’ script insignia, which made its debut as pat of the club’s skyline logo in 1961. Here’s how the logo, including the script, looked on the cover of the team’s first yearbook.

From the very beginning, the script shown in the logo did not match the script used on the team’s jerseys. That photo is from 1962. If we isolate the script and rotate it clockwise so it’s horizontal (to match the horizontal orientation of the skyline logo), you can see significant differences between the logo script and the jersey script. For starters, the logo version is much more compact, while the jersey version is more extended and open. There’s also a major distinction in the transition between the M and the e. All of which is fine — what works within the confines of a circular logo may not necessarily work on a jersey, so some adjustments were needed. No problem.

Both of the scripts morphed slightly over the next few decades, but not radically. If you look at these jerseys, which run from the 1960s through the ’80s, the chest logos look relatively consistent.

More recently, though — I haven’t been able to isolate exactly when, but I think it was in the late 1990s — the Mets created a wider, more extended version of the script. This has been the team’s official wordmark at least since 1999, and I believe for a few years before that. If you can’t see the difference between this mark and the one that originally appeared on the jersey, try this comparison. The angle of the M has been altered, and the connection from the M to the e has been adjusted and lengthened a bit. This is script is essentially what’s been used on the team’s uniform for the past decade or so, as you can see in the jerseys shown on the right. Look at that M — horrific. I hate this verion. Looks clown-ish, like a minor league knockoff. Let’s call this the Wilpon Script.

Meanwhile, the skyline logo script is mostly the same as it’s always been (there are some teeny-tiny differences, but I won’t get into those). Let’s call that the Classic Script.

These two scripts are used interchangeably, with no rhyme or reason, thoughout the team’s graphics program. One small example: The entrance to the new Mets Hall of Fame features the Classic Script, but the plaques for the Hall inductees use the Wilpon Script. Similarly, a sign above the scoreboard Jumbotron uses the Wilpon Script, but the Mets lineup on that very same scoreboard is topped by the Classic Script. Similar inexplicable anomalies occur throughout the club’s printed matter, web site, and so on.

Here, finally, is the kicker: As everyone knows, the Mets wear the skyline logo as a sleeve patch. And the skyline logo features the Classic Script — or does it?

Two patches, two logos, two different versions of the script. The one on the right is the first time I’ve noticed any version of the skyline logo — printed, embroidered, whatever — with the Wilpon Script, but Brian (remember Brian?) says that’s the version that’s been used on the team’s jerseys for several years now.

This year, however — and this is the beauty party — both versions of the patch are currently in use on the field. Here’s Rod Baraja wearing the Classic Script patch two nights ago, and Jason Bay wearing the Wilpon Script version, also from Tuesday night. Both players are new to the team this season, so it’s not like they’re wearing one of their old jerseys from last year. “The Mets are using these patches interchangeably on the new cream pins as well,” says Brian.

It’s not clear if we should blame this on Majestic, their patch supplier, or the team, but let’s just go ahead and blame the Wilpons (who in case you didn’t know are also responsible for the oil spill, the Nashville floods, the volcanic ash, etc.). While other teams use different logos on different uniform elements, it figures that only the Mets could find a way to use different logos on the same uniform element.

“I’ll give them this,” says Brian. “If the patch with the original script eventually phases out the other one, they’ll have stumbled into a very subtle upgrade.” Agreed.

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Where curling is never out of season: Got an urgent note last night from Benjamin Bonnet, who works at McMurdo Station — that’s in Antarctica, kids. He has a rather specific request, which I’ll let him explain in his own voice:

We’re trying to build our own curling sheet down here, along with our own stones. I was wondering if you know of anyone who constructs outdoor sheets and might be able to give some advice on how to go about it. As you can imagine, we have really limited supplies down here, and no flights coming in until August, so we have to be really creative. But that we have in spades.

Now, working in Antarctica isn’t as bad as you might think. There are no bugs (too cold), no advertising (nowhere to shop), lots of no-strings casual sex (how else are you gonna pass the time?), and I know for a fact that there’s a bowling alley down there at McMurdo (or at least there was when my friend Nicholas worked there). If they also get themselves a curling sheet, we’re pretty much talking Paradise, which is probably more than Benjamin and the rest of the McMurdo chuckleheads deserve. I mean, really, what has Antarctica done for you lately?

But what the hell, let’s help them out anyway. If anyone has any tips to offer regarding curling sheet construction, contact Benjamin here.

Too Good for the Ticker: Reader Scott Gleeson Blue sent me a note yesterday that deserves its own little call-out. To wit:

Have you ever discussed or featured Foto-Electric Football? This version, the outside of which I reflected upon for long hours as a lad, was handed down to me by my brother Tim, who is 15 years older. The offense and defense held playbook cards that you would fit into a slot that was on the field, and then you’d flip a light switch and wherever a run or pass intersected with a defender determined the outcome of the play. There was also a chance factor through a spinner. A small football and down and distance marker in respective slots would be moved back and forth on the gridiron as plays were executed.

On a completely separate note, I was wondering if you ever covered juvenile sports literature cover art. Of particular note, I’ve always loved the original Chip Hilton Sports Series for its richness of color and attention to detail (I think you’ll enjoy the stirrups showcased on the title ‘Strike Three.’)

The back cover of these classics included the line that Clair Bee, the famed LIU basketball coach, “knew what made boys tick.” My bro and I always chuckle that Chip was All-America at every sport, had friends with names like Speed, Soapy and Biggie, usually had no interest in romantic relationships, and seemed unaffected or simply disaffected by the effects of puberty.

I confess that I’m unfamiliar with Foto-Electric Football and the Chip Hilton books, but they both look intriguing. Thanks for the tips, Scott!

Uni Watch News Ticker: The Tigers have added a memorial patch for Ernie Harwell. … A long-lost Syracuse football helmet has been returned to its rightful owner (with thanks to Nate Neumann). … Are you under 18 years old? Do you want to design an NHL goalie’s mask? Here’s your chance (with thanks to Eric Baukol). … Not sure if we’ve seen this Tom Dempsey photo before (thanks, Phil). … If you scroll about three-quarters of the down this page, you’ll see an awesome DIY flannel Orioles jersey, along with some comments from the guy who made it (with thanks to Paul Wiederecht). … I’ve long known that Rams offensive lineman John Williams had a double-decker facemask, but I didn’t know that he also had a double-decker FNOB until Bill Kellick sent me that screen shot. … As you know, one of the rules about logo design these days is that any Minnesota-related design must include a tree line (with thanks to John Muir). … Sooooo much to like this photo of the 1903 York College baseball team. Undersleeve stripes! (Big thanks to Tim Sargent.) … Most N.L. teams wore the league’s Golden Jubilee patch in 1925 on their sleeves. Back in December, I noted that the Giants wore it on their chests, based on this photo of the team’s home uni. But now Matthew Glidden has found a photo showing Billy Southworth of the Giants wearing the patch on the sleeve of his road uni. Interestingly, Dressed to the Nines shows it on the chest at home and not at all on the road. It also shows two other teams — the Pirates and Dodgers — with inconsistent placement of the patch. Wanna put the patch on your own chest, sleeve, or elsewhere? You can get a decent-looking reproduction here. … Good article about UNC football equipment needs here (with thanks to Jason Wysong). … Check out the groovy merch you could order from an early-1970s Illinois football program (great stuff from Neil Berger). … Some cake decorator in DC is a real dick — so to speak. … Brandon Marshall is in uni number limbo (with thanks to Brinke Guthrie). … Brandon Higgins has picked up on a new accessory trope in MLB: “I’ve noticed a lot of players/coaches wearing super-thin time band watches this year,” he says. “They look almost like team-color bracelets, but if you look closely you will see it’s got a tiny watch face on it.” I hadn’t noticed this and know nothing about it. I also have a hard time believing a player would wear a watch on the field. Can anyone fill us in on this? (Update: Very first comment of the day has identified the “watches” as Power Balance bands. In other words, the latest Tooth Fairy silliness, just like the Phiten necklaces.) … Well, that didn’t take long (with thanks to Neil Vendetti). … Whoa, never seen a goalie mask like this one. Anyone know more? (Good find by Jake Elwell.) … If there’s one thing you can count on in this world, it’s Orlando Cabrera gunking up his helmet with pine tar. Or at least that was the case until this season. Is that some sort of Reds rule, like their old ban on facial hair? … Speaking of Cabrera, while looking for photos of him I came across this shot providing a particularly good view of his bell bottoms impaled on his spikes. … Here’s something I can’t believe we haven’t noticed before. Well, I can believe I haven’t noticed it, cuz I watch about, oh, zero NBA games per year, but I’m surprised one of you folks hadn’t noticed it. To wit: Vince Carter changes his jersey at halftime of each home game. And it’s really easy to tell, because — get this — the NOBs don’t match! “He has consistently worn these two home jerseys since the home opener,” says Mark Malazarte, who really should have told me about this ages ago, am I right? … Unfortunate moment on The Daily Show last night, as Jon Stewart made a big fuss over CNN commentator Roland Martin wearing an ascot on the air and acted like it was a new thing that he, Stewart, had personally discovered, when in fact Martin’s ascottery has been a public (and tiresome) phenomenon for at least half a year. Rare case of Stewart totally missing the boat. … I’ve run lots of Marty Hick‘s childhood uni drawings over the past few years, but it turns out there’s a lot more where that came from. In honor of the new bike I recently purchased, Marty dug up some old BMX bike and uni drawings he did back in the early 1980s. “The uniforms are hilarious,” says Marty with characteristic (im)modesty. “So are the bikes — the mag wheels, tuffs, pads, etc. My particular favorite is the frontal view of the different types of handlebars.” Mine, too. … Is there anything more depressing than learning that nearly every ballplayer in the league has the musical tastes of a total moron? Actually, the most interesting thing about that list is that J.D. Drew and Marco Scutaro have don’t have their own tunes — I didn’t think that was even allowed anymore (with thanks to Dan Cichalski). … Never could’ve imagined the Twins’ logo being appropriated by a Pennsylvania high school football team (thanks, Kek). … Slight logo tweaks for Google, of all companies (with thanks to High McBride). … We all know Topps used to airbrush NFL team logos off of football cards. But I never knew they also airbrushed the stars off of college all-star jerseys (interesting find by Michael Thomas). … Budget-minded Broncos fans can get their Tim Tebow jerseys on the cheap. For details, go here and choose “How to Get That Tebow Jersey” from the side menu (with thanks to Bryan Stelmack). … Very nice contribution from Stanislaw Olechowski, who writes: ” It was Aggie Day again in Delaware Valley College, so my girlfriend and I went to check it out. Last year they had a pretty cool baseball jersey displayed in the library; this time it was much cooler. Among the displays: a beanie that all freshmen had to wear in 1953, a chenille band patch, and a varsity football sweater.” … The flooding in Nashville reached the Predators’ locker room (with thanks to Paul Richard Cook). … Jeremy Brahm reports that USA Volleyball is sponsoring a logo contest. … Nice little article about Todd Radom and other special-event logo designers here (with thanks to Jason Davies). … Excellent cycling-related contribution from Sean Clancy, who writes: “The Giro D’ Italia begins this weekend, and the Cyclocosm blog has put together this creative graphic incorporating the winners of every edition of the race in the colors of the Italian flag and on a pink background, to honor the pink jersey worn by the race leader.” … Yesterday’s photos of high school ballplayers wearing mismatched socks prompted Jonathan Fearnley to send me a shot of the Spanish soccer team Racing Santander. “Halved shirts are not uncommon in soccer, but halved shorts and mismatched socks are new,” he writes. “Unlike some halved shirts, which have contrasting sleeves, the Racing Santander sleeves are the same color as the rest of that side of the shirt, so the kit looks completely green from one side and completely black from the other.” … In a related item, Ricko checks in with the following: “In 1976 I played on a softball team that they gave us each one forest stirrup and one athletic gold stirrup. No standard as to which leg was which. I wore the forest on my right, figuring it was ‘heavier,’ so better for staying back when swinging (hey, gotta have SOME kind of rationale).” … How do you ruin a perfectly good pair of stirrups? Dye them purple, wear them with swoosh-branded sannies, and add a pair of pinstriped shorts (with thanks to Tyler Haslam). … Florida State apparently won’t be wearing that white helmet after all (with thanks to Drew Dearman). … Last week James Laky said he’d seen the new Notre Dame football jersey and provided the following description: “The main difference is they have ND on the sleeves again instead of TV numbers. And the ND is different from the past — it has a white background and the font looks a little different. They also have an ND on the back now, near the collar.” He promised me a photo, which he’s now provided, although it isn’t exactly earthshaking. “I guess I was wrong about the white background,” he says. “It’s gold, with the white ND.” … Jeremy Brahm has been following the International Cricket Council Twenty20 event in the West Indies and has noticed a few things of interest. Among the highlights: a very colorful kit for the West Indies; an Aussie player with double-decker FNOB; India and Aghanistan playing blue vs. blue; and an Irish player wearing No. 01. … Ooh, not just a Brewers plane but a throwback Brewers plane (nice find by Aaron Clements). … Mmmmm, my-t-tasty. That’s UMass Lowell pitcher Jack Leathersich (as submitted by Sean Hladick). … I usually have a rule against posting watermarked Getty photos, but I’m gonna make an exception in this case. Anyone know the story behind that one? … Michigan tight end Martwell Webb caused a stir yesterday by saying the team would have new uniforms this fall, but then he clarified to explain that he just meant a new fabrication (with thanks to Tom Phillips). … Amidst all the chatter about the Suns making a statement, Jimmy Kimmel took the opportunity to suggest what the Clippers’ Noche Latina jersey might look like (with thanks to David Teigland).

 

197 comments to Consistently Inconsistent

  • CoreyNYC | May 6, 2010 at 8:00 am |

    Those aren’t small watches the MLB coaches & players are wearing, they are Power Balance Bracelets:

    http://www.powerbala...

    I happened to see them in Modells yesterday,m which is the only reason why I know what they are.

    Also, I think Most of the Mets script stuff is nitpicking and this is coming from a fan who desperately wants them to ditch the black. However, Majestic should fix the patch situation.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2010 at 8:21 am |

    The new Notre Dame sleeve logo is a bit of a swing-and-a-miss design-wise, isn’t it.

    The spaces rather fill in and, while everyone KNOWS it’s an “ND”, we can’t necessarily SEE it’s an “ND”. Hope it’s adapted for the whites. If not it’ll sort of disappear.

    Actually, the one on the two signboards in the background would be better…from that standpoint, anyway. Just flip-flop the colors for the road jersey so it’d be white edged in navy.
    http://farm5.static....

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | May 6, 2010 at 8:29 am |

    Wanna get a sense for what dark monochome unis would ACTUALLY look like in baseball? I mean on the field, not on a design template including stirrups that would likely never see the field?
    (call this an exercise in “practical reality”)
    http://cricket.yahoo...

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | May 6, 2010 at 8:32 am |

    [quote comment=”389000″]Wanna get a sense for what dark monochome unis would ACTUALLY look like in baseball? I mean on the field, not on a design template including stirrups that would likely never see the field?
    (call this an exercise in “practical reality”)
    http://cricket.yahoo...

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Well,shit…Go to the link in this Ticker item…
    “Jeremy Brahm has been following the International Cricket Council Twenty20 event in the West Indies and has noticed a few things of interest. Among the highlights: a very colorful kit for the West Indies;”
    …and check out the West Indies in their maroons.

    —Ricko

  • Jeff Ingalls | May 6, 2010 at 8:34 am |

    Ahhh! The Cooper Jaws mask! Not a goalie mask, however! These frickin’ things were made for skaters and you could attach a visor as well! They came out around the same time as some fish movie by Spielberg…. hence the goofy name!

  • Ricko | May 6, 2010 at 8:36 am |

    Let’s try that again…

    Wanna get a sense for what dark monochome unis would ACTUALLY look like in baseball? I mean on the field, not on a design template including stirrups that would likely never see the field?
    (call this an exercise in “practical reality”)
    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko

  • Jon C | May 6, 2010 at 8:42 am |

    Rawlings also makes a wristband that looks very similar but I can not find a picture. They were given out to UVa’s baseball team this year

  • Hank | May 6, 2010 at 8:43 am |

    Wonder if that DC area baker once worked for the Nats?

  • Robert Eden | May 6, 2010 at 8:49 am |

    I miss the Reds’ facial hair ban. Damn that Greg Vaughn. He spent only one year with the team, but managed to undo decades of tradition and good grooming.

  • Terry Proctor | May 6, 2010 at 9:01 am |

    The Chip Hilton books were based on Seton Hall and Rochester Royals Basketball Hall of Famer Bobby Davies. Those blonde-haired All-American boy illustrations of Chip Hilton closely resemble Bobby. Davies was certainly the equal of Bob Cousy at point guard but didn’t get the recognition because he played in Rochester. He played his entire NBA career with the Royals and then became a sales rep for Converse Shoe Co. He used to call on us at the sporting goods store I worked at in Rochester.

  • Andy | May 6, 2010 at 9:08 am |

    First, I saw on Tuesday that someone posted a comment reaming the Eagles for using sans serif TV numerals and classic serif numerals on the body of the jersey. At first glance, this probably seems like a mistake, but it is accurate. That’s is exactly how the 1960 jersey looked; mismatched numerals.

    Second, neat post about the Antarctic employees and their quest for curling. I would think you could just frame a pit of some sort and fill it with water, but you’d need some sort of mist sprayer to get the pebbled surface, no? I doubt there are any working outdoor garden hoses down there.

    It also brings together curling and Antarctica, two things that fascinate me and are the subjects of two of my favorite songs, both penned by my favorite Canadian band. Put these on your soundtrack:

    “Tournament of Hearts,” a great little diddy from the perspective of a professional curler, and “Our Retired Explorer,” a little ode to loving what you do and doing what you love until the day you die, both by the Weakerthans.

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2010 at 9:12 am |

    THANK YOU for pointing out that Mets script. The “M” has bothered me for years. But now I finally have a deserving name for it.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2010 at 9:17 am |

    [quote comment=”389006″]I miss the Reds’ facial hair ban. Damn that Greg Vaughn. He spent only one year with the team, but managed to undo decades of tradition and good grooming.[/quote]

    Agreed.
    Like a company, a team often seems to function a bit better if it has an opinion of itself, of what it is, of how it does what it does. A self-image, so to speak. Especially in a highly competitive situation.

    And I do NOT mean every team should have the same set of ideals or norms. Just have SOME.

    Think about when the Raiders and Vikings met in the Super Bowl. On one side, the loosey-goosey Raiders of John Madden. Long hair, beards, slit jerseys, stickum, some in white shoes, some in black. Some with high white socks. Some with spatted shoes…the “we’re mavericks” attitude (or as one writer had earlier christened the Raiders, “pro football’s Foreign Legion”). On the other, Bud Grant’s Vikings. Everyone’s white socks the same height. No gloves. No long hair. No tape on shoes. Standing just so for the National Anthem. And, at that moment, they were the two best in their business.

    Was easy to like them both because they had a sense of who they were, a way of approaching things, an identity. A sense of “the way we do things here” ultimately helps an organization. Those are the kind of things that help keep everyone pointed in the same direction. That can be a pretty important element both in business and in sports.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | May 6, 2010 at 9:20 am |

    [quote comment=”389007″]The Chip Hilton books were based on Seton Hall and Rochester Royals Basketball Hall of Famer Bobby Davies. Those blonde-haired All-American boy illustrations of Chip Hilton closely resemble Bobby. Davies was certainly the equal of Bob Cousy at point guard but didn’t get the recognition because he played in Rochester. He played his entire NBA career with the Royals and then became a sales rep for Converse Shoe Co. He used to call on us at the sporting goods store I worked at in Rochester.[/quote]

    Bob Davies, Rochester Royals…
    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2010 at 9:21 am |

    i gotta think, especially given the time frame for the change, that the “wider, more extended” wordmark was created so that could add that beautiful dropshadow to it

    check out the side-by-side — i did that last year (painstakingly removed the dropshadow in MS paint, did i) without even realizing it might come in handy some day

  • Ricko | May 6, 2010 at 9:25 am |
  • Piping Mike | May 6, 2010 at 9:32 am |

    I don’t know if the Mets made a conscious decision to change logo/wordmarks. My guess is it’s more of an impact from the levels of accuracy in manufacturing (stiching, material cutting, etc). As for the apparent change in the official wordmark around 1999, my guess is it was the result of creating a new camera ready logo template and/or the a minor tweak to allow for the dropshadow. It seems the Wilpon script is mostly thinning which allows one more layer of border (black!).

    Specific to those patches, you’ll notice other inconsistencies beyond the script. For example the laces are different. I assume the team hired a vendor which made the patches on different machines and/or had multiple vendors at different times and the batches got mixed at Majestic.

    Overall, I think it’s a very minor issue. It’s like the whole measure with a micrometer, mark in pencil, cut with an ax thing. The team can only be so accurate with stitching machines.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2010 at 9:32 am |

    [quote comment=”389012″]i gotta think, especially given the time frame for the change, that the “wider, more extended” wordmark was created so that could add that beautiful dropshadow to it

    check out the side-by-side — i did that last year (painstakingly removed the dropshadow in MS paint, did i) without even realizing it might come in handy some day[/quote]

    And it’s probably a slam dunk that you’re correct.

    Similar to why batting helmet logos were thicker in the old days. Decal technology wasn’t what it is today, and thin strokes chipped off more easily. A thicker stroke meant greater area. Greater area meant more material to keep decal affixed.

    Many of the oddities/inconsistencies had manufacturing practicality (and necessity) behind them.

    Not everything has always been as it is today.

    —Ricko

  • ADAM | May 6, 2010 at 9:33 am |

    [quote comment=”389009″]THANK YOU for pointing out that Mets script. The “M” has bothered me for years. But now I finally have a deserving name for it.[/quote]

    Yea the METS have been bothering me too, since 1962

  • War Damn Eagle | May 6, 2010 at 9:41 am |

    Rajai tried to wear them lower, but you can still see the yellow sani under the black stirrup. It’s just not a natural look for the A’s. Not a fan of this black alt. They’d be better off ditching the black and creating a yellow alt jersey.

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • KimK | May 6, 2010 at 9:41 am |

    If they wanted a real throwback Brewers airplane it would have propellers.

  • dwight | May 6, 2010 at 9:50 am |

    Paul et al: for as beautiful as Mizzou’s gray “throwback” baseball unis are, these alts are evidence that Under Armour has not forgotten their roots:

    http://www.mutigers....

  • JB Early | May 6, 2010 at 9:53 am |

    Man I loved those Chip Hilton books. But my all time favorite was the Bronc Burnett series set in Sonora, New Mexico.

    BTW You all do know, the stuff we notice about logos, unis, cpas etc. most jocks have no clue, nor do they care about. In fact they’d think we were “gay” – not that it makes you a good dresser. . .. Of course these guys today with their on field bling & styling, would def be called “gay” by my era.

  • allenjd | May 6, 2010 at 9:53 am |

    Could the Mets script have been adjusted for the change to button up jerseys. The M and E are on opposite sides of the placket so they would have to be slightly further apart to prevent the top right of the M from being overlapped by the other side of the jersey.

  • JB Early | May 6, 2010 at 9:54 am |

    …cpa? that was a Freudian. Pretty sure I meant to type c a p.

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2010 at 10:05 am |

    [quote comment=”389019″]Paul et al: for as beautiful as Mizzou’s gray “throwback” baseball unis are, these alts are evidence that Under Armour has not forgotten their roots:

    http://www.mutigers....

    so under armour operates under the blind squirrel theory

  • bourbon soaked idiot | May 6, 2010 at 10:08 am |

    The Wilpon script actually looks better on the button front uniforms, but the classic should probably be used everywhere else.

    But Paul come on now, the 5 different Yankee logos (the jacket has a 5th version of the logo) are a much bigger fiasco. First of all that interlocking NY is horrible. One of the worst logos in professional sports. It looks like an 8th grade kid did it in art class and to have 5 different versions.

  • Purple Nurple | May 6, 2010 at 10:14 am |

    I know us members of the logo community are supposed to pay attention to the details, but this Mets script thing has me baffled. They look the same to me. Are we talking millimeters here? I just don’t get it.

  • jb12 | May 6, 2010 at 10:14 am |

    The Chambersburg (Pa.) Trojans baseball team ALSO uses the Twins logo.

    http://blog.pennlive...

    http://www.maxpreps....

    http://www.maxpreps....

  • dwight | May 6, 2010 at 10:16 am |

    [quote comment=”389023″][quote comment=”389019″]Paul et al: for as beautiful as Mizzou’s gray “throwback” baseball unis are, these alts are evidence that Under Armour has not forgotten their roots:

    http://www.mutigers....

    so under armour operates under the blind squirrel theory[/quote]

    Clearly.

  • JimV19 | May 6, 2010 at 10:21 am |

    Foto-electric Football? I had that game. My cousin passed it down to me.

    Those are relatively easy to find in NE Ohio, especially around Canton. Since the game had a tie-in with the Hall of Fame, it must have been pretty popular there. I see a lot of them in Canton-area memorabilia stores and flea markets.

    As for the Chip Hilton books, I think I’ve seen them, but I never read them. I do have this Jackson Scholz book my dad gave to me:
    http://keymancollect...

  • bigo | May 6, 2010 at 10:25 am |

    It appears to me that the Wilpon script when used on a diagonal keeps the ‘M’ in the same position as the Original Script used horizontally. They just rotated the ‘ets’ and spread it away from the ‘M’.

    I am guessing the attempt was to keep the ‘M’ perpendicular to the ground and have a flat and angled script.

  • pru | May 6, 2010 at 10:26 am |

    [quote comment=”389019″]Paul et al: for as beautiful as Mizzou’s gray “throwback” baseball unis are, these alts are evidence that Under Armour has not forgotten their roots:

    http://www.mutigers....

    Those arent even ok for BP let alone a game! How can a coach have such divergent tastes?

  • Andy | May 6, 2010 at 10:28 am |

    [quote comment=”389025″]I know us members of the logo community are supposed to pay attention to the details, but this Mets script thing has me baffled. They look the same to me. Are we talking millimeters here? I just don’t get it.[/quote]

    In the spacing between the letters, probably millimeters, yes, but the angle of the ‘M’ is a dead giveaway. It’s on the same baseline as the rest of the script in the classic mark, but it’s been rotated for some unknown reason in the newer script, and it looks terrible.

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2010 at 10:29 am |

    [quote comment=”389025″]I know us members of the logo community are supposed to pay attention to the details, but this Mets script thing has me baffled. They look the same to me. Are we talking millimeters here? I just don’t get it.[/quote]

    NO WAY are they the same…

    and it’s easy to see the difference when you compare the “mets” on the ‘black’ citiscape with the mets on the black jersey…both have orange dropshadow — while the one on the citiscape feels bunched and forced, the “thin” script allows for the goddam dropshadow

    check it out

  • JimV19 | May 6, 2010 at 10:33 am |

    Didn’t know Vancouver’s BC Place was getting a new retractable roof:
    http://www.tsn.ca/cf...

    Neat picture of the deflated baggie roof as well.

    Judging from a lot of the comments after the article, they might want to consider just making it an open-air stadium.

    Nice idea, but to me retractable roofs are a huge waste. Teams are so reluctant to open them unless there are absolutely pristine conditions. There’s one idea I like, though, and that’s the retractable awnings or sails. That way you’re shaded from the sun and rain, while still experiencing an open-air feel.

  • rob | May 6, 2010 at 10:39 am |

    If Notre Dame really has new jerseys, why didn’t they wear them in the spring game?
    http://www.und.com/v...

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2010 at 10:44 am |

    Conrad on the Chris Creamer board has mocked up all the new NBA logos based on the leaked images.

  • Kenny Jacobson | May 6, 2010 at 10:48 am |

    Wasn’t there a short-lived “Reggie” candy bar in New York back in the late 70s…? I was pretty young then but I kinda remember Reggie lobbying for his own candy bar. Maybe those decals on his A’s helmet were a precursor to that.

  • JimV19 | May 6, 2010 at 10:48 am |

    [quote comment=”389032″][quote comment=”389025″]I know us members of the logo community are supposed to pay attention to the details, but this Mets script thing has me baffled. They look the same to me. Are we talking millimeters here? I just don’t get it.[/quote]

    NO WAY are they the same…

    and it’s easy to see the difference when you compare the “mets” on the ‘black’ citiscape with the mets on the black jersey…both have orange dropshadow — while the one on the citiscape feels bunched and forced, the “thin” script allows for the goddam dropshadow

    check it out[/quote]

    Surprised y’all haven’t noticed how the tallest building on the patches looks different in this comparison:
    http://farm5.static....

    To me that stands out more than the extremely minute change in the script.

  • The Jeff | May 6, 2010 at 10:48 am |

    [quote comment=”389003″]Let’s try that again…

    Wanna get a sense for what dark monochome unis would ACTUALLY look like in baseball? I mean on the field, not on a design template including stirrups that would likely never see the field?
    (call this an exercise in “practical reality”)
    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    You know… that’s a horrible example of “practical reality” or whatever. That uniform there looks more like a basketball warm-up than a typical baseball uniform.

    We’ve already seen real life all-dark baseball uniforms a few times both in modern throwback games and on a few teams in the 70’s, it just never seems to catch on. Tis a shame, really. I’d like to see an all-red Cincinnati, or a Packer-esque yellow & green A’s, or a solid navy Red Sox with visible red socks obviously, or…

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2010 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment=”389024″]The Wilpon script actually looks better on the button front uniforms, but the classic should probably be used everywhere else.

    But Paul come on now, the 5 different Yankee logos (the jacket has a 5th version of the logo) are a much bigger fiasco. First of all that interlocking NY is horrible. One of the worst logos in professional sports. It looks like an 8th grade kid did it in art class and to have 5 different versions.[/quote]
    Which version of the interlocking NY? I happen to think that the jersey and cap versions are each sublime in their own way, and the other two are train wrecks.

    And I’m at a loss as to the jacket with a fifth version of the logo. Which one were you talking about?

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2010 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”389037″][quote comment=”389032″][quote comment=”389025″]I know us members of the logo community are supposed to pay attention to the details, but this Mets script thing has me baffled. They look the same to me. Are we talking millimeters here? I just don’t get it.[/quote]

    NO WAY are they the same…

    and it’s easy to see the difference when you compare the “mets” on the ‘black’ citiscape with the mets on the black jersey…both have orange dropshadow — while the one on the citiscape feels bunched and forced, the “thin” script allows for the goddam dropshadow

    check it out[/quote]

    Surprised y’all haven’t noticed how the tallest building on the patches looks different in this comparison:
    http://farm5.static....

    To me that stands out more than the extremely minute change in the script.[/quote]
    You’re right – all the buildings are thicker. The bridge is different as well. Like the laces, I’d tend to chalk those up to different manufacturer.

    But to me, line thickness isn’t quite the same as using different characters for the letters.

  • rob | May 6, 2010 at 10:54 am |

    [quote comment=”389034″]If Notre Dame really has new jerseys, why didn’t they wear them in the spring game?
    http://www.und.com/v...

    I guess it’s true, since I missed that they had the new stupid pants on.
    http://bleacherrepor...

  • pru | May 6, 2010 at 11:00 am |

    [quote comment=”389034″]If Notre Dame really has new jerseys, why didn’t they wear them in the spring game?
    http://www.und.com/v...

    Because being in the news two days is better than one!

    On the NBA logos: I see the color changes on the Cavs and Jazz as well as the new Golden State logo, but what am I missing with the others?

  • pk | May 6, 2010 at 11:02 am |

    [quote comment=”389036″]Wasn’t there a short-lived “Reggie” candy bar in New York back in the late 70s…? I was pretty young then but I kinda remember Reggie lobbying for his own candy bar. Maybe those decals on his A’s helmet were a precursor to that.[/quote]

    http://www.youtube.c...
    from another source (just cant find the video)

    That wasn’t even the best part. As Reggie was trotting around the bases, a few fans threw their Reggie! candy bars onto the field to pay homage, I guess, and pretty soon there were thousands of Reggie! bars littering the field. Reggie had once said if he played in New York they’d name a candy bar after him, and sure enough, after what he did in the World Series last year, that’s what happened. Some company produced the bars, and they gave them away for free at the game, which didn’t make the vendors selling candy too happy. Anyway, it was pretty funny seeing all those bars flying through the air.

  • pk | May 6, 2010 at 11:07 am |

    RE: Reggie! bar

    He wasn’t lobbying, it was a quote he said in Baltimore (and most likely with a sense of sarcasmm)

    “If I played in New York, they’d name a candy bar after me.”

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2010 at 11:08 am |

    [quote comment=”389042″][quote comment=”389034″]If Notre Dame really has new jerseys, why didn’t they wear them in the spring game?
    http://www.und.com/v...

    Because being in the news two days is better than one!

    On the NBA logos: I see the color changes on the Cavs and Jazz as well as the new Golden State logo, but what am I missing with the others?[/quote]

    The Kings appear to have made a minor color change (shade of silver), but that could just be them swapping the fabric version of their color for the print version.

    Don’t know about Charlotte and Phoenix – presume it’s another color tweak.

    The Clippers fixed the problem with lines on the basketball not lining up, moving from this to this (that’s a big upgrade – as I said on the Chris Creamer boards, the current Clippers logo looks like it was reconstructed by aliens who had never seen a basketball). It also appears that they have thickened the letters.

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2010 at 11:09 am |

    Oh, and Orlando Magic are apparently changing the primary logo to use the jersey script (instead of this).

  • JL | May 6, 2010 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”389006″]I miss the Reds’ facial hair ban. Damn that Greg Vaughn. He spent only one year with the team, but managed to undo decades of tradition and good grooming.[/quote]

    Yes, the 1999 season was the last time the Reds came close to making the playoffs, losing a play-in game that cost them the wild card seed.

    My memory of that season is going to a game with some friends, which at the time required roughly a three-hour drive to Cincinnati based on where we lived and grew up.

    That summer we were 18-19 years old, which hopefully explains why we made a couple signs in hopes of getting on the jumbotron…but our main sign was a logo of then-Mr. Red with a thick Greg Vaughn-esque goatee, with the headline “FACIAL HAIR = SUCCESS”…our sign managed to get on the jumbotron for a fraction of a second as a camera panned our section. Needless to say, everyone seated around us thought our slogan should’ve caught on, and we still believe it would have if the Reds had made managed to make the playoffs!

    Side note…the Reds 1999 season was referenced by Aaron Boone on ESPN Baseball Tonight lastnight, suggesting that team originated “jumping around” homeplate after a player hits a walk-off homerun, claiming no previous footage of a team celebrating that way can be found…who knows? IMO a jump-around celebration is better than beating the crap out of a teammate.

  • Bernard | May 6, 2010 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment=”389035″]Conrad on the Chris Creamer board has mocked up all the new NBA logos based on the leaked images.[/quote]

    7/8 feature either a basketball or part of one (the only one that doesn’t is the fauxback). What a lazy, obvious choice.

  • concealed78 | May 6, 2010 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”388998″]
    Also, I think Most of the Mets script stuff is nitpicking – However, Majestic should fix the patch situation. [/quote]

    I think it’s a legitimate concern. I did notice it looked like the M and ‘ets’ were going at two different angles, and it is odd & inconsistent. Easist tell of the incorrect patch: way too much blue building.

  • The Jeff | May 6, 2010 at 11:16 am |

    [quote comment=”389048″][quote comment=”389035″]Conrad on the Chris Creamer board has mocked up all the new NBA logos based on the leaked images.[/quote]

    7/8 feature either a basketball or part of one (the only one that doesn’t is the fauxback). What a lazy, obvious choice.[/quote]

    Dude, that IS the NBA’s logo system. Quick, name the NBA teams that -don’t- have a basketball in their logo. Without actually looking, the only teams that come to mind are the Bulls, Spurs and thanks to it just being posted, Warriors. Are there even any others?

  • Bernard | May 6, 2010 at 11:19 am |

    [quote comment=”389050″][quote comment=”389048″][quote comment=”389035″]Conrad on the Chris Creamer board has mocked up all the new NBA logos based on the leaked images.[/quote]

    7/8 feature either a basketball or part of one (the only one that doesn’t is the fauxback). What a lazy, obvious choice.[/quote]

    Dude, that IS the NBA’s logo system. Quick, name the NBA teams that -don’t- have a basketball in their logo. Without actually looking, the only teams that come to mind are the Bulls, Spurs and thanks to it just being posted, Warriors. Are there even any others?[/quote]

    Yeah, I can’t think of any. But then again, I watch/follow the NBA as little as possible. Just another reason to hate that league, I suppose.

  • Roger Faso | May 6, 2010 at 11:19 am |

    [quote comment=”389036″]Wasn’t there a short-lived “Reggie” candy bar in New York back in the late 70s…? I was pretty young then but I kinda remember Reggie lobbying for his own candy bar. Maybe those decals on his A’s helmet were a precursor to that.[/quote]

    That picture was taken in 1987, Reggie’s swan song with the A’s. The helmet was a gameday giveaway.

    However, upon consulting an A’s program from that year, May 23rd was supposed to be Lucky Foods/Baby Ruth-Butterfinger Mitt Day. Perhaps, they changed the promotion.

  • JL | May 6, 2010 at 11:23 am |

    If there’s one thing you can count on in this world, it’s Orlando Cabrera gunking up his helmet with pine tar. Or at least that was the case until this season. Is that some sort of Reds rule, like their old ban on facial hair?

    This photo is from April 28, and this photo is from April 11, both with Orlando Cabrera’s 2010 pine tar clearly visible.

    I’ve noticed his pine tar building up this season, so I’m not sure what’s with the photo from yesterday, and it’s the only one I can find of him batting in yesterday’s game. Since it was a day game, I was of course at work, though I don’t believe weekday games are televised anyway. Streaming video is blocked at my workplace, but perhaps someone else can catch a glimpse of his helmet from video of his walk-off homer yesterday?

    The Reds are off tonight, so I guess Cabrera’s helmet is something else to watch for tomorrow night.

  • Ferguson D. | May 6, 2010 at 11:28 am |

    Regarding the Tigers two styles of old English Ds:

    I like that they use the two different styles. The one used on the hat does not look good scaled up on a jersey: the points extend further and the logo is thinner, making for an ill-fitting jersey crest. Also, the one from the jersey looks terrible when put on a hat: the logo is thicker and has more lines running around the interior, so it is either too large when placed on a hat or too muddied up. Each looks great where it is intended to be used.

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2010 at 11:28 am |

    [quote comment=”389047″]Yes, the 1999 season was the last time the Reds came close to making the playoffs, losing a play-in game that cost them the wild card seed.[/quote]

    yeah…i remember that game…

    ~~~~~~

    [quote comment=”389047″]the Reds 1999 season was referenced by Aaron Boone on ESPN Baseball Tonight lastnight, suggesting that team originated “jumping around” homeplate after a player hits a walk-off homerun, claiming no previous footage of a team celebrating that way can be found…who knows?[/quote]

    i absolutely remember the reds being the first (and for a while, the only) team to do the ‘bunny hop’ after a walkoff HR…it was kinda fun and unique…until everyone started doing it

    now i hate it…along with the now mandatory flinging off of the helmet and then the two-foot plate plant

    it’s almost worse than the shaving cream in the towel during the postgame on field interview

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2010 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”389048″][quote comment=”389035″]Conrad on the Chris Creamer board has mocked up all the new NBA logos based on the leaked images.[/quote]

    7/8 feature either a basketball or part of one (the only one that doesn’t is the fauxback). What a lazy, obvious choice.[/quote]

    While I agree with you in general, I actually think that the Warriors’ logo needs basketball lines to fill that empty space.

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2010 at 11:33 am |

    [quote comment=”389054″]Regarding the Tigers two styles of old English Ds:

    I like that they use the two different styles. The one used on the hat does not look good scaled up on a jersey: the points extend further and the logo is thinner, making for an ill-fitting jersey crest. Also, the one from the jersey looks terrible when put on a hat: the logo is thicker and has more lines running around the interior, so it is either too large when placed on a hat or too muddied up. Each looks great where it is intended to be used.[/quote]
    Which is how I feel about the corresponding Yankee logos. Those two are beautiful in their own way, as are the Tigers’.

  • DW | May 6, 2010 at 11:37 am |

    Speaking of the Mets, a Mets cap was found in a very odd place this past weekend up in Connecticut. http://www.nydailyne...

  • DJ | May 6, 2010 at 11:39 am |

    While I agree with you in general, I actually think that the Warriors’ logo needs basketball lines to fill that empty space.

    I suspect the empty space will be filled by the player’s number on the front of the jersey.

    The new Notre Dame sleeve logo is a bit of a swing-and-a-miss design-wise, isn’t it.

    Not if the gold color is sufficiently contrasting with the white. You can’t quite tell with that photograph, which isn’t of the highest quality.

  • ClubMedSux | May 6, 2010 at 11:44 am |

    Re: introduction songs… I’ll give passing grades for Biz Markie and the Clash, but that’s it. On a side note, our office softball team once put together a cd of intro songs to play when each person came up to bat (we really suck so it seemed like a funny thing to do) but apparently it was too difficult to lug all the beer AND a boombox so it never happened. If I recall correctly, I think I picked “Super Bon Bon” by Soul Coughing for my intro.

  • frankenslade | May 6, 2010 at 11:45 am |

    The last 2 years I’ve analyzed the usually pathetic musical tastes of teams facing my Phillies in the postseason. I dipped into some other playoff series too, when I had the time. This post is a good entry into the usually lame “match-ups” I had to examine:

    http://www.rocktownh...

    I remember that Rocco Baldelli had some solid Classic Rock cred. I’m not sure that any player has had a worse intro song than whatever disco/club number Derek Lowe favored. Ugh!

  • bourbon soaked idiot | May 6, 2010 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment=”389039″][quote comment=”389024″]The Wilpon script actually looks better on the button front uniforms, but the classic should probably be used everywhere else.

    But Paul come on now, the 5 different Yankee logos (the jacket has a 5th version of the logo) are a much bigger fiasco. First of all that interlocking NY is horrible. One of the worst logos in professional sports. It looks like an 8th grade kid did it in art class and to have 5 different versions.[/quote]
    Which version of the interlocking NY? I happen to think that the jersey and cap versions are each sublime in their own way, and the other two are train wrecks.

    And I’m at a loss as to the jacket with a fifth version of the logo. Which one were you talking about?[/quote]

    Look at the jacket it’s similar to the jersey but different.

    http://www.flickr.co...

    I think all five are amatuerish. If the Yankees were not a dynasty in the “golden era” of the 50’s noone would think the Yankee logo was anything special.

  • marc | May 6, 2010 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment=”389044″]RE: Reggie! bar

    He wasn’t lobbying, it was a quote he said in Baltimore (and most likely with a sense of sarcasmm)

    “If I played in New York, they’d name a candy bar after me.”[/quote]

    As a kid, I did not care for Reggie the man, but I gotta admit, “Reggie!” the confection was a tasty candy bar… tho if I recall correctly, it was round, not bar-shaped.

  • mike 2 | May 6, 2010 at 11:54 am |

    [quote comment=”389033″]Didn’t know Vancouver’s BC Place was getting a new retractable roof:
    http://www.tsn.ca/cf...

    Neat picture of the deflated baggie roof as well.

    Judging from a lot of the comments after the article, they might want to consider just making it an open-air stadium.

    Nice idea, but to me retractable roofs are a huge waste. Teams are so reluctant to open them unless there are absolutely pristine conditions. There’s one idea I like, though, and that’s the retractable awnings or sails. That way you’re shaded from the sun and rain, while still experiencing an open-air feel.[/quote]

    Time-lapse video of the final deflation here:

    http://www.youtube.c...

  • Robert Eden | May 6, 2010 at 11:55 am |

    I apologize if someone has already done this and I missed it, but it would be educational to see the Classic and Wilpon Scripts overlapping.

  • pru | May 6, 2010 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”389048″][quote comment=”389035″]Conrad on the Chris Creamer board has mocked up all the new NBA logos based on the leaked images.[/quote]

    7/8 feature either a basketball or part of one (the only one that doesn’t is the fauxback). What a lazy, obvious choice.[/quote]

    I could never understand why the Clippers dont have some sort of…yaknow…Clipper ship for a logo. To me, their logo has always looked like they have yet to hear of computer design

  • Chris | May 6, 2010 at 12:05 pm |

    http://thehoopdoctor...

    Dont know if this was addressed but new name new Unis, which is a definite must for them.

  • marc | May 6, 2010 at 12:05 pm |

    Speaking of sports candy, here’s a couple I’d not seen before:

    San Diego Chicken bubble gum (it tastes like… bubble gum)

    Milwaukee Brewer bar

    In regard to the Brewer Bar, I don’t know how it is in other locales, but here in Cleveland, anytime the local chocolatiers name a candy bar after a local sports star, it’s always a damn Hershey Krackel knock-off (’cause they’re never as good as Nestle’s Crunch). If I’m a local sports legend, I want a knock-off of Reese’s cups or a Snickers.

    Speaking of the “Krackel” bar, has anyone ever seen those things in non-miniature form?

  • MartyB | May 6, 2010 at 12:08 pm |

    Just stumbled onto this, maybe it’s been mentioned, but if there are any fans of big hair & plastic grass in Brooklyn this might be for you…new book and party at the Bell House later in May

    http://tinyurl.com/3...
    http://www.thebellho...

    Growing my hair as we speak…

  • ben | May 6, 2010 at 12:15 pm |

    I’m a little disappointed in UniWatch today. The Phoenix Suns make a pretty daring political jesture with their uniforms that will probably lose them a few season ticket holders, and it gets bumped to the bottom of the ticker by an elongated “M”, curlingm in Antartica, and Foto-Electric football. A little out of touch, maybe?

  • marc | May 6, 2010 at 12:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”389066″]I could never understand why the Clippers dont have some sort of…yaknow…Clipper ship for a logo. To me, their logo has always looked like they have yet to hear of computer design[/quote]

    I agree re: the Clipper ship. They must have a hard time trying to work a boat into a basketball or vice versa.

    “To me, their logo has always looked like they have yet to hear of computer design.” I say thank God for that. IMHO, way too many sports logos have that much-too-slick-created-with-Adobe-Illustrator look. It’s understandable since the logos need to be “clean” in order to be reproduced in any way, shape or form that marketers can dream up. I like the Clippers’ logo, though, and the Warriors’ new logo has the same feel. There’s something to be said for logos that still appear handwrought.

  • Chris from Carver | May 6, 2010 at 12:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”389070″]I’m a little disappointed in UniWatch today. The Phoenix Suns make a pretty daring political jesture with their uniforms that will probably lose them a few season ticket holders, and it gets bumped to the bottom of the ticker by an elongated “M”, curlingm in Antartica, and Foto-Electric football. A little out of touch, maybe?[/quote]
    I think it was more to avoid turning the comments into CNN’s Crossfire.

  • Tinger | May 6, 2010 at 12:22 pm |

    Phillies will be honoring HoFer Robin Roberts (who died today) with a uni patch for the rest of the year. See: http://www.the700lev...

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2010 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”389070″]I’m a little disappointed in UniWatch today. The Phoenix Suns make a pretty daring political jesture with their uniforms that will probably lose them a few season ticket holders, and it gets bumped to the bottom of the ticker by an elongated “M”, curlingm in Antartica, and Foto-Electric football. A little out of touch, maybe?[/quote]

    perhaps you missed paul’s own admonition against political statements

    “Here’s what’s NOT fine: coming out for or against the Arizona law. Let’s leave that for other sites, shall we?”

  • pru | May 6, 2010 at 12:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”389071″][quote comment=”389066″]I could never understand why the Clippers dont have some sort of…yaknow…Clipper ship for a logo. To me, their logo has always looked like they have yet to hear of computer design[/quote]

    I agree re: the Clipper ship. They must have a hard time trying to work a boat into a basketball or vice versa.

    “To me, their logo has always looked like they have yet to hear of computer design.” I say thank God for that. IMHO, way too many sports logos have that much-too-slick-created-with-Adobe-Illustrator look. It’s understandable since the logos need to be “clean” in order to be reproduced in any way, shape or form that marketers can dream up. I like the Clippers’ logo, though, and the Warriors’ new logo has the same feel. There’s something to be said for logos that still appear handwrought.[/quote]

    That probably came across wrong. What I meant to convey is that the Clippers logo lacks any imagination/originality. I dont necessarily care if the logo is computer or hand drawn as long as it is pertinent.

  • Paul Lukas | May 6, 2010 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”389070″]I’m a little disappointed in UniWatch today. The Phoenix Suns make a pretty daring political jesture with their uniforms that will probably lose them a few season ticket holders, and it gets bumped to the bottom of the ticker by an elongated “M”, curlingm in Antartica, and Foto-Electric football. A little out of touch, maybe?[/quote]

    Yeah, maybe. Or maybe I figured there was already enough coverage of this from all the mainstream sports outlets. What exactly did you need me to say about it that hasn’t already been said? And every single article about it that I’ve read has had a ton of really nasty comments from readers bickering over the Arizona law. I didn’t (and still don’t) want that kind of bickering to clutter up this site. Let’s move on. Thanks.

  • marc | May 6, 2010 at 12:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”389075″]That probably came across wrong. What I meant to convey is that the Clippers logo lacks any imagination/originality. I dont necessarily care if the logo is computer or hand drawn as long as it is pertinent.[/quote]

    Pertinence is a good thing. As I mentioned previously, I like the Warriors’ new logo a lot since it evokes “The City” jerseys, but it’s funny that the pertinence of the logo is directed at the city the team plays in rather than the team itself. Can’t think of any other team that does that. Anyone?

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2010 at 12:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”389077″]the pertinence of the logo is directed at the city the team plays in rather than the team itself. Can’t think of any other team that does that. Anyone?[/quote]

    these guys?

    /yeah, i know it was only worn once or twice…but it fits the criterion, no?

  • The Jeff | May 6, 2010 at 12:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”389077″][quote comment=”389075″]That probably came across wrong. What I meant to convey is that the Clippers logo lacks any imagination/originality. I dont necessarily care if the logo is computer or hand drawn as long as it is pertinent.[/quote]

    Pertinence is a good thing. As I mentioned previously, I like the Warriors’ new logo a lot since it evokes “The City” jerseys, but it’s funny that the pertinence of the logo is directed at the city the team plays in rather than the team itself. Can’t think of any other team that does that. Anyone?[/quote]

    Every team from Buffalo?

  • marc | May 6, 2010 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”389078″][quote comment=”389077″]the pertinence of the logo is directed at the city the team plays in rather than the team itself. Can’t think of any other team that does that. Anyone?[/quote]

    these guys?

    /yeah, i know it was only worn once or twice…but it fits the criterion, no?[/quote]

    sure! good find, phil.

    would the “mets” qualify? does “mets” refer to “metropolitan” in a sense of personification or is more like “metropolitan area?”

  • mike 2 | May 6, 2010 at 12:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”389077″][quote comment=”389075″]That probably came across wrong. What I meant to convey is that the Clippers logo lacks any imagination/originality. I dont necessarily care if the logo is computer or hand drawn as long as it is pertinent.[/quote]

    Pertinence is a good thing. As I mentioned previously, I like the Warriors’ new logo a lot since it evokes “The City” jerseys, but it’s funny that the pertinence of the logo is directed at the city the team plays in rather than the team itself. Can’t think of any other team that does that. Anyone?[/quote]

    Or in the case of the Warriors, a nearby city.

    (don’t get me wrong, The City is one of my favourite logos, but they don’t play in The City.)

  • marc | May 6, 2010 at 1:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”389079″][quote comment=”389077″][quote comment=”389075″]That probably came across wrong. What I meant to convey is that the Clippers logo lacks any imagination/originality. I dont necessarily care if the logo is computer or hand drawn as long as it is pertinent.[/quote]

    Pertinence is a good thing. As I mentioned previously, I like the Warriors’ new logo a lot since it evokes “The City” jerseys, but it’s funny that the pertinence of the logo is directed at the city the team plays in rather than the team itself. Can’t think of any other team that does that. Anyone?[/quote]

    Every team from Buffalo?[/quote]

    LOL. Funny that the Warriors use an identifiable local architectural structure as a metaphor for their city while the Sabres and Bills use an animal not native to the area (at least in recorded history) to visually represent theirs.

  • marc | May 6, 2010 at 1:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”389081″]Or in the case of the Warriors, a nearby city.[/quote]

    Or cities.

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2010 at 1:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”389062″][quote comment=”389039″][quote comment=”389024″]The Wilpon script actually looks better on the button front uniforms, but the classic should probably be used everywhere else.

    But Paul come on now, the 5 different Yankee logos (the jacket has a 5th version of the logo) are a much bigger fiasco. First of all that interlocking NY is horrible. One of the worst logos in professional sports. It looks like an 8th grade kid did it in art class and to have 5 different versions.[/quote]
    Which version of the interlocking NY? I happen to think that the jersey and cap versions are each sublime in their own way, and the other two are train wrecks.

    And I’m at a loss as to the jacket with a fifth version of the logo. Which one were you talking about?[/quote]

    Look at the jacket it’s similar to the jersey but different.

    http://www.flickr.co...

    I think all five are amatuerish. If the Yankees were not a dynasty in the “golden era” of the 50’s noone would think the Yankee logo was anything special.[/quote]

    Even if they a slightly different version in the 1980s, they don’t today. Heck, for all I know the jersey logo was slightly different at the time and that jacket matched, or that jacket was retail only.

    And once again, I cannot agree with you about the Yankees’ logo. Even a whole lot of people who hate the team with a burning Boston passion have to admit that the logo is pure class.

    Except the print logo. That one’s just awful.

  • Geeman | May 6, 2010 at 1:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”389003″]Let’s try that again…

    Wanna get a sense for what dark monochome unis would ACTUALLY look like in baseball? I mean on the field, not on a design template including stirrups that would likely never see the field?
    (call this an exercise in “practical reality”)
    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    What about Phillies ’79, Orioles ’71, A’s ’73-’75.

    And Cuba.

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2010 at 1:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”389063″][quote comment=”389044″]RE: Reggie! bar

    He wasn’t lobbying, it was a quote he said in Baltimore (and most likely with a sense of sarcasmm)

    “If I played in New York, they’d name a candy bar after me.”[/quote]

    As a kid, I did not care for Reggie the man, but I gotta admit, “Reggie!” the confection was a tasty candy bar… tho if I recall correctly, it was round, not bar-shaped.[/quote]

    You recall correctly.

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2010 at 1:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”389086″][quote comment=”389063″][quote comment=”389044″]RE: Reggie! bar

    He wasn’t lobbying, it was a quote he said in Baltimore (and most likely with a sense of sarcasmm)

    “If I played in New York, they’d name a candy bar after me.”[/quote]

    As a kid, I did not care for Reggie the man, but I gotta admit, “Reggie!” the confection was a tasty candy bar… tho if I recall correctly, it was round, not bar-shaped.[/quote]

    You recall correctly.[/quote]

    Shoot- messed up the HTML, I suspect.

    http://www.youtube.c...

  • Geeman | May 6, 2010 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”388999″]The new Notre Dame sleeve logo is a bit of a swing-and-a-miss design-wise, isn’t it.

    The spaces rather fill in and, while everyone KNOWS it’s an “ND”, we can’t necessarily SEE it’s an “ND”. Hope it’s adapted for the whites. If not it’ll sort of disappear.

    Actually, the one on the two signboards in the background would be better…from that standpoint, anyway. Just flip-flop the colors for the road jersey so it’d be white edged in navy.
    http://farm5.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Old ones are better. New ones just highlight the Adidas logo (which is a great logo, but does not deserve top billing).

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2010 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”389083″][quote comment=”389081″]Or in the case of the Warriors, a nearby city.[/quote]

    Or cities.[/quote]

    That’s the beauty of this new logo – it depicts the bridge connecting San Francisco and Oakland instead of the more-famous Golden Gate, which is San Francisco’s alone.

  • bourbon soaked idiot | May 6, 2010 at 1:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”389084″][quote comment=”389062″][quote comment=”389039″][quote comment=”389024″]The Wilpon script actually looks better on the button front uniforms, but the classic should probably be used everywhere else.

    But Paul come on now, the 5 different Yankee logos (the jacket has a 5th version of the logo) are a much bigger fiasco. First of all that interlocking NY is horrible. One of the worst logos in professional sports. It looks like an 8th grade kid did it in art class and to have 5 different versions.[/quote]
    Which version of the interlocking NY? I happen to think that the jersey and cap versions are each sublime in their own way, and the other two are train wrecks.

    And I’m at a loss as to the jacket with a fifth version of the logo. Which one were you talking about?[/quote]

    Look at the jacket it’s similar to the jersey but different.

    http://www.flickr.co...

    I think all five are amatuerish. If the Yankees were not a dynasty in the “golden era” of the 50’s noone would think the Yankee logo was anything special.[/quote]

    Even if they a slightly different version in the 1980s, they don’t today. Heck, for all I know the jersey logo was slightly different at the time and that jacket matched, or that jacket was retail only.

    And once again, I cannot agree with you about the Yankees’ logo. Even a whole lot of people who hate the team with a burning Boston passion have to admit that the logo is pure class.

    Except the print logo. That one’s just awful.[/quote]

    That logo is still used on jackets today.

    Weather or not you consider the Yankee organization to be pure class or not, just take look at the logo from a purely graphic stand point. It’s awful.

  • sliver7 | May 6, 2010 at 1:48 pm |

    Tampa Catholic High School also uses the Twins’ ‘TC’ for their athletic teams.

  • bourbon soaked idiot | May 6, 2010 at 1:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”389079″][quote comment=”389077″][quote comment=”389075″]That probably came across wrong. What I meant to convey is that the Clippers logo lacks any imagination/originality. I dont necessarily care if the logo is computer or hand drawn as long as it is pertinent.[/quote]

    Pertinence is a good thing. As I mentioned previously, I like the Warriors’ new logo a lot since it evokes “The City” jerseys, but it’s funny that the pertinence of the logo is directed at the city the team plays in rather than the team itself. Can’t think of any other team that does that. Anyone?[/quote]

    Every team from Buffalo?[/quote]

    The Rangers used the logo with the Statue of Liberty on it for a bit, even though the Statue is actually in New Jersey.

  • marc | May 6, 2010 at 1:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”389090″]Weather or not you consider the Yankee organization to be pure class or not, just take look at the logo from a purely graphic stand point. It’s awful.[/quote]

    What’s so awful about it? Considering it’s around 100 years old, it’s obviously stood the test of time — the perfect indicator of successful graphic design. Maybe it’s just me, but yours is the first negative opinion of the NY logo I’ve read. Perhaps its merely a great example of group-think, but it seems most sports fans find the Yankee’s interlocking NY logo to be a timeless classic.

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2010 at 1:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”389088″]the Adidas logo … is a great logo[/quote]

    wait, what?

    and are you talking about the old vector logo or the new graph logo?

  • Andy | May 6, 2010 at 1:54 pm |

    Also, regarding what to call your team for noche Latina, while the NBA has a policy to use English names, MLB must not have a policy like this, as some teams (Gigantes, Cerveceros) choose to translate their nicknames, which I think makes for a much more unique an interesting jersey.

    The NBA says the market research suggests that their teams are called ‘Los (insert English name here)’ by Spanish speakers. I remember watching Spanish news highlights of the ’95 World Series, and while I don’t know if the telecast originated from Spain, Mexico, the Dominican Republic, Cuba or wherever, the newscaster definitely referred to the participants as ‘Los Indios’ and ‘Los Bravos.’ I don’t know why it would be different from MLB to the NBA. Maybe the standard’s changed in the past 15 years.

  • Geeman | May 6, 2010 at 1:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”389094″][quote comment=”389088″]the Adidas logo … is a great logo[/quote]

    wait, what?

    and are you talking about the old vector logo or the new graph logo?[/quote]

    The latter.

  • Andy | May 6, 2010 at 1:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”389094″][quote comment=”389088″]the Adidas logo … is a great logo[/quote]

    wait, what?

    and are you talking about the old vector logo or the new graph logo?[/quote]

    Heh. You mean the trefoil or the mountain?

  • Geeman | May 6, 2010 at 1:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”389093″][quote comment=”389090″]Weather or not you consider the Yankee organization to be pure class or not, just take look at the logo from a purely graphic stand point. It’s awful.[/quote]

    What’s so awful about it? Considering it’s around 100 years old, it’s obviously stood the test of time — the perfect indicator of successful graphic design. Maybe it’s just me, but yours is the first negative opinion of the NY logo I’ve read. Perhaps its merely a great example of group-think, but it seems most sports fans find the Yankee’s interlocking NY logo to be a timeless classic.[/quote]

    It’s a great logo for its simplicity, as are all the interlocking city logos (Mets, Dodgers, Giants, Padres).

  • Steve | May 6, 2010 at 1:57 pm |

    Gold pants for the Redskins? http://voices.washin...

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2010 at 2:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”389097″]

    Heh. You mean the trefoil or the mountain?[/quote]

    or those

    i’ve heard it referred to by several names, but i believe it’s technically a vector…but i’ve also heard it called the herb logo

    but yeah…trefoil is fine

  • David Gratt | May 6, 2010 at 2:04 pm |

    Has there ever been a survey of memorial patches? or the transition from armbands to patches?

    I was *super* disappointed that the Tigers are wearing another dumb black circle with initials in it. It would seem to me that Ernie deserves better than that…an old style microphone…the goofy yachting cap that he wore towards the end of his career…an image of Tiger Stadium…something a little more personal.

    w/r/t to the reggie bar…I think I remember it being sort of square. and they were pretty good! don’t understand why they never caught on…

  • Andy | May 6, 2010 at 2:05 pm |

    The worst part about the Mets script disaster is that the Cooperstown Collection style guide has the Wilpon script (minus dropshadow, of course) as the correct one for 1969.

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2010 at 2:05 pm |

    I never said anything about the “Yankee organization” being pure class. The jersey and cap logos are.

    Look, we’ll have to agree to disagree. Neither you nor I will change our opinions. I was just pointing out that it’s not just Yankee fans who think those logos are sublime.

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2010 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”389101″]I was *super* disappointed that the Tigers are wearing another dumb black circle with initials in it. It would seem to me that Ernie deserves better than that…an old style microphone…the goofy yachting cap that he wore towards the end of his career…an image of Tiger Stadium…something a little more personal.[/quote]

    Couldn’t agree more. It’s possible to do something very unique while still respecting the dignity and solemnity of the occasion. You list a couple of excellent examples.

  • scott | May 6, 2010 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”389101″]
    I was *super* disappointed that the Tigers are wearing another dumb black circle with initials in it. It would seem to me that Ernie deserves better than that…an old style microphone…the goofy yachting cap that he wore towards the end of his career…an image of Tiger Stadium…something a little more personal.

    w/r/t to the reggie bar…I think I remember it being sort of square. and they were pretty good! don’t understand why they never caught on…[/quote]

    I like the simplicity of the Harwell patch, much like the Phillies did last year with Kalas. There’s no need to make memorial patches too elaborate. Traditional teams like the Tigers and Phillies don’t have to get all fancy on us.

    Wasn’t the Reggie bar just a 100 Grand bar in a different wrapper and shape?

    And here’s a tweet from Rob Neyer at ESPN:

    “Hard to top the Cardinals’ uniforms, but the Phillies are looking absolutely fabulous today.”

  • Geeman | May 6, 2010 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”389098″][quote comment=”389093″][quote comment=”389090″]Weather or not you consider the Yankee organization to be pure class or not, just take look at the logo from a purely graphic stand point. It’s awful.[/quote]

    What’s so awful about it? Considering it’s around 100 years old, it’s obviously stood the test of time — the perfect indicator of successful graphic design. Maybe it’s just me, but yours is the first negative opinion of the NY logo I’ve read. Perhaps its merely a great example of group-think, but it seems most sports fans find the Yankee’s interlocking NY logo to be a timeless classic.[/quote]

    It’s a great logo for its simplicity, as are all the interlocking city logos (Mets, Dodgers, Giants, Padres).[/quote]

    And Cards and Royals. Who am I leaving out in the bigs? Throw in the Knicks on their warmups, and the footblal Giants too.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2010 at 2:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”389038″][quote comment=”389003″]Let’s try that again…

    Wanna get a sense for what dark monochome unis would ACTUALLY look like in baseball? I mean on the field, not on a design template including stirrups that would likely never see the field?
    (call this an exercise in “practical reality”)
    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    You know… that’s a horrible example of “practical reality” or whatever. That uniform there looks more like a basketball warm-up than a typical baseball uniform.

    We’ve already seen real life all-dark baseball uniforms a few times both in modern throwback games and on a few teams in the 70’s, it just never seems to catch on. Tis a shame, really. I’d like to see an all-red Cincinnati, or a Packer-esque yellow & green A’s, or a solid navy Red Sox with visible red socks obviously, or…[/quote]

    But they ARE monochrome head-to-toe. That was the only point. Shoot, I didn’t even say it was bad.

    Vaulting forward in an effort to be contrary and assume a defensive posture, you leaped right over what I actually WAS saying.

    The “practical reality” was the absence of stirrups. The rest was a generality, baggy-ankle-length pants on a monochrome uni…to give us a rough example of how such a thing would look.

    Nothing else. Because that IS how we’d mostly likely see them.

    Wasn’t even a opinion, just a rough visual example.

    And maybe a reminder that imagining such things with stirrups doesn’t reflect the reality of things.

    Again, show me where I said it was bad.

    —Ricko

  • Jeremy | May 6, 2010 at 2:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”389095″]Also, regarding what to call your team for noche Latina, while the NBA has a policy to use English names, MLB must not have a policy like this, as some teams (Gigantes, Cerveceros) choose to translate their nicknames, which I think makes for a much more unique an interesting jersey.

    The NBA says the market research suggests that their teams are called ‘Los (insert English name here)’ by Spanish speakers. I remember watching Spanish news highlights of the ’95 World Series, and while I don’t know if the telecast originated from Spain, Mexico, the Dominican Republic, Cuba or wherever, the newscaster definitely referred to the participants as ‘Los Indios’ and ‘Los Bravos.’ I don’t know why it would be different from MLB to the NBA. Maybe the standard’s changed in the past 15 years.[/quote]

    I watched the Super Bowl on FoxSports Espanol a few years ago and they were saying Gigantes and Patriotas.

  • marc | May 6, 2010 at 2:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”389105″]Wasn’t the Reggie bar just a 100 Grand bar in a different wrapper and shape?[/quote]

    Nah. The “Reggie!” didn’t have rice krispies in it like the 100 Grand (previously the “$100,000 Bar” — a better name, IMHO). “Reggie!” didn’t have nougat, either. Chocolate, caramel and peanuts. Good eatin’.

  • Fight | May 6, 2010 at 2:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”389060″]Re: introduction songs… I’ll give passing grades for Biz Markie and the Clash, but that’s it. On a side note, our office softball team once put together a cd of intro songs to play when each person came up to bat (we really suck so it seemed like a funny thing to do) but apparently it was too difficult to lug all the beer AND a boombox so it never happened. If I recall correctly, I think I picked “Super Bon Bon” by Soul Coughing for my intro.[/quote]

    ah yes, Super Bon Bon – the entry song for me and my new bride at our wedding

  • concealed78 | May 6, 2010 at 2:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”389090″] Weather or not you consider the Yankee organization to be pure class or not, just take look at the logo from a purely graphic stand point. It’s awful.[/quote]

    Not really at all. I don’t see anything wrong or any glaring design offenses to the senses.

  • concealed78 | May 6, 2010 at 2:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”389106″][quote comment=”389098″][quote comment=”389093″][quote comment=”389090″]Weather or not you consider the Yankee organization to be pure class or not, just take look at the logo from a purely graphic stand point. It’s awful.[/quote]

    What’s so awful about it? Considering it’s around 100 years old, it’s obviously stood the test of time — the perfect indicator of successful graphic design. Maybe it’s just me, but yours is the first negative opinion of the NY logo I’ve read. Perhaps its merely a great example of group-think, but it seems most sports fans find the Yankee’s interlocking NY logo to be a timeless classic.[/quote]

    It’s a great logo for its simplicity, as are all the interlocking city logos (Mets, Dodgers, Giants, Padres).[/quote]

    And Cards and Royals. Who am I leaving out in the bigs? Throw in the Knicks on their warmups, and the footblal Giants too.[/quote]

    Twins TC. I suppose you could throw the White Sox in there too tho it’s not a city logo. Rockies, not so much.

  • NickW | May 6, 2010 at 2:34 pm |

    Get ready for the newest trend in college football

    acoustic mapping.

  • Geeman | May 6, 2010 at 2:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”389107″][quote comment=”389038″][quote comment=”389003″]Let’s try that again…

    Wanna get a sense for what dark monochome unis would ACTUALLY look like in baseball? I mean on the field, not on a design template including stirrups that would likely never see the field?
    (call this an exercise in “practical reality”)
    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    You know… that’s a horrible example of “practical reality” or whatever. That uniform there looks more like a basketball warm-up than a typical baseball uniform.

    We’ve already seen real life all-dark baseball uniforms a few times both in modern throwback games and on a few teams in the 70’s, it just never seems to catch on. Tis a shame, really. I’d like to see an all-red Cincinnati, or a Packer-esque yellow & green A’s, or a solid navy Red Sox with visible red socks obviously, or…[/quote]

    But they ARE monochrome head-to-toe. That was the only point. Shoot, I didn’t even say it was bad.

    Vaulting forward in an effort to be contrary and assume a defensive posture, you leaped right over what I actually WAS saying.

    The “practical reality” was the absence of stirrups. The rest was a generality, baggy-ankle-length pants on a monochrome uni…to give us a rough example of how such a thing would look.

    Nothing else. Because that IS how we’d mostly likely see them.

    Wasn’t even a opinion, just a rough visual example.

    And maybe a reminder that imagining such things with stirrups doesn’t reflect the reality of things.

    Again, show me where I said it was bad.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh, it’s bad alright.

  • Keith | May 6, 2010 at 2:37 pm |

    Confirming the Cooper Jaws mask/faceguard. I wore a similar version in Pee Wee hockey. It’s not for goalies, it’s for skaters. It was about 1974, no one wore visors because plexiglass couldn’t be formed that well back then, so the Jaws thing was a faceguard like a football helmet. Mine didn’t have the sides on it, it was a mouth protector that hung down from the nosepiece.

  • Ry Co 40 | May 6, 2010 at 2:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”389051″][quote comment=”389050″][quote comment=”389048″][quote comment=”389035″]Conrad on the Chris Creamer board has mocked up all the new NBA logos based on the leaked images.[/quote]

    7/8 feature either a basketball or part of one (the only one that doesn’t is the fauxback). What a lazy, obvious choice.[/quote]

    Dude, that IS the NBA’s logo system. Quick, name the NBA teams that -don’t- have a basketball in their logo. Without actually looking, the only teams that come to mind are the Bulls, Spurs and thanks to it just being posted, Warriors. Are there even any others?[/quote]

    Yeah, I can’t think of any. But then again, I watch/follow the NBA as little as possible. Just another reason to hate that league, I suppose.[/quote]

    i don’t understand, why wouldn’t anybody like the idea of including a basketball into a basketball logo? i think it’s kind of clever

  • Brent | May 6, 2010 at 2:42 pm |

    http://voices.washin...

    I think I posted this in the wrong comments section, but the redskins are considering bringing back gold pants for next season’s home games

  • Ricko | May 6, 2010 at 2:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”389112″][quote comment=”389106″][quote comment=”389098″][quote comment=”389093″][quote comment=”389090″]Weather or not you consider the Yankee organization to be pure class or not, just take look at the logo from a purely graphic stand point. It’s awful.[/quote]

    What’s so awful about it? Considering it’s around 100 years old, it’s obviously stood the test of time — the perfect indicator of successful graphic design. Maybe it’s just me, but yours is the first negative opinion of the NY logo I’ve read. Perhaps its merely a great example of group-think, but it seems most sports fans find the Yankee’s interlocking NY logo to be a timeless classic.[/quote]

    It’s a great logo for its simplicity, as are all the interlocking city logos (Mets, Dodgers, Giants, Padres).[/quote]

    And Cards and Royals. Who am I leaving out in the bigs? Throw in the Knicks on their warmups, and the footblal Giants too.[/quote]

    Twins TC. I suppose you could throw the White Sox in there too tho it’s not a city logo. Rockies, not so much.[/quote]

    Entwining “N” and “Y” isn’t an easy task graphically, especially one atop the other.
    Let’s grab a pen and noodle with it if we don’t think that’s so. Tough assignment.

    “S” an “F” no picnic, either. Run out of ideas real fast.

    Or find something original, and good looking, for “St” and “L”.

    Easy to be a critic. Not so easy to come up with something better. I mean REALLY better, not just better because we thought of it and our moms would love it, and because it would be new and different.

    You know who did “NY” really well?
    The New York Knights.
    THE NATURAL’s art department simply connected the two letters, ala the KC on the Royals’ hats, and came up with something good looking. And, yes, it’s kind of lower case (depends on which Old English font variation you perceive it to be), but it still works.

    —Ricko

  • Christopher | May 6, 2010 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”389101″]Has there ever been a survey of memorial patches? or the transition from armbands to patches?

    I was *super* disappointed that the Tigers are wearing another dumb black circle with initials in it. It would seem to me that Ernie deserves better than that…an old style microphone…the goofy yachting cap that he wore towards the end of his career…an image of Tiger Stadium…something a little more personal.

    w/r/t to the reggie bar…I think I remember it being sort of square. and they were pretty good! don’t understand why they never caught on…[/quote]

    To be fair, they had to come up with the patch in like 48 hours. Unless they already had them in stock and were just waiting for him to pass (which would be morbid, but I guess possible- everyone knew how sick he was).

    If they honor him next season with a patch or maybe a logo on the wall, I’m sure it’ll be better “designed”.

  • marc | May 6, 2010 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”389119″]You know who did “NY” really well?
    The New York Knights.
    THE NATURAL’s art department simply connected the two letters, ala the KC on the Royals’ hats, and came up with something good looking. And, yes, it’s kind of lower case (depends on which Old English font variation you perceive it to be), but it still works.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    This is nice too.

  • JTH | May 6, 2010 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”389112″][quote comment=”389106″][quote comment=”389098″][quote comment=”389093″][quote comment=”389090″]Weather or not you consider the Yankee organization to be pure class or not, just take look at the logo from a purely graphic stand point. It’s awful.[/quote]

    What’s so awful about it? Considering it’s around 100 years old, it’s obviously stood the test of time — the perfect indicator of successful graphic design. Maybe it’s just me, but yours is the first negative opinion of the NY logo I’ve read. Perhaps its merely a great example of group-think, but it seems most sports fans find the Yankee’s interlocking NY logo to be a timeless classic.[/quote]

    It’s a great logo for its simplicity, as are all the interlocking city logos (Mets, Dodgers, Giants, Padres).[/quote]

    And Cards and Royals. Who am I leaving out in the bigs? Throw in the Knicks on their warmups, and the footblal Giants too.[/quote]

    Twins TC. I suppose you could throw the White Sox in there too tho it’s not a city logo. Rockies, not so much.[/quote]
    If not for the damned bevel effect, the Natinals’ DC logo would be pretty good.

    Football: Niners and Chiefs (and does the Giants’ logo really have interlocking letters?)

    Hockey: Devils (and kind of a stretch — Islanders)

    Do the Knicks still use that Yankees-style NY or is it that crappy NYK logo on the warmups?

  • Andy | May 6, 2010 at 3:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”389100″][quote comment=”389097″]

    Heh. You mean the trefoil or the mountain?[/quote]

    or those

    i’ve heard it referred to by several names, but i believe it’s technically a vector…but i’ve also heard it called the herb logo

    but yeah…trefoil is fine[/quote]

    It’s official name is the trefoil. Vector simply refers to the fact that the logo you can download there is a vector logo (made of mathematical points and lines, for Adobe Illustrator-type software) rather than a raster logo (made of pixels, for Photoshop-esque software).

  • Andy | May 6, 2010 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”389123″][quote comment=”389100″][quote comment=”389097″]

    Heh. You mean the trefoil or the mountain?[/quote]

    or those

    i’ve heard it referred to by several names, but i believe it’s technically a vector…but i’ve also heard it called the herb logo

    but yeah…trefoil is fine[/quote]

    It’s official name is the trefoil. Vector simply refers to the fact that the logo you can download there is a vector logo (made of mathematical points and lines, for Adobe Illustrator-type software) rather than a raster logo (made of pixels, for Photoshop-esque software).[/quote]

    The Reebok logo, though, I believe is officially called ‘the vector.’

  • Kev29 | May 6, 2010 at 3:12 pm |

    Another Twins logo user…

    Trinity Catholic (Newton, MA)
    http://www.tcfalcons...

  • John English | May 6, 2010 at 3:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”389017″]Rajai tried to wear them lower, but you can still see the yellow sani under the black stirrup. It’s just not a natural look for the A’s. Not a fan of this black alt. They’d be better off ditching the black and creating a yellow alt jersey.

    http://sports.yahoo....

    Yes. Bring back this. http://farm4.static....

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2010 at 3:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”389120″][quote comment=”389101″]Has there ever been a survey of memorial patches? or the transition from armbands to patches?

    I was *super* disappointed that the Tigers are wearing another dumb black circle with initials in it. It would seem to me that Ernie deserves better than that…an old style microphone…the goofy yachting cap that he wore towards the end of his career…an image of Tiger Stadium…something a little more personal.

    w/r/t to the reggie bar…I think I remember it being sort of square. and they were pretty good! don’t understand why they never caught on…[/quote]

    To be fair, they had to come up with the patch in like 48 hours. Unless they already had them in stock and were just waiting for him to pass (which would be morbid, but I guess possible- everyone knew how sick he was).

    If they honor him next season with a patch or maybe a logo on the wall, I’m sure it’ll be better “designed”.[/quote]

    so…other than an armband or a patch, people think it should be more like this then?

    i spose there’s all kinds of crazy shit the tigers could have come up with

    by the way, some guy covered the memorial thing a while back

    personally, i’d rather NOT have any kind of logo memorial on the uni, as it affects the look of the uni, but i understand the need to show how much you really care for the deceased

    one thing memorial logos do do, however, is to id the year of a uni…sometimes even a particular game…which can be helpful

  • marc | May 6, 2010 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”389126″]Yes. Bring back this. http://farm4.static....

    The jersey or the Douchebag?

  • Ricko | May 6, 2010 at 3:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”389120″][quote comment=”389101″]Has there ever been a survey of memorial patches? or the transition from armbands to patches?

    I was *super* disappointed that the Tigers are wearing another dumb black circle with initials in it. It would seem to me that Ernie deserves better than that…an old style microphone…the goofy yachting cap that he wore towards the end of his career…an image of Tiger Stadium…something a little more personal.

    w/r/t to the reggie bar…I think I remember it being sort of square. and they were pretty good! don’t understand why they never caught on…[/quote]

    To be fair, they had to come up with the patch in like 48 hours. Unless they already had them in stock and were just waiting for him to pass (which would be morbid, but I guess possible- everyone knew how sick he was).

    If they honor him next season with a patch or maybe a logo on the wall, I’m sure it’ll be better “designed”.[/quote]

    By all accounts, Ernie Harwell was about as unassuming a guy as there was in the business. Or on the planet. Perhaps all concerned believed something with as little ostentation as possible would A) be what he’d prefer and B) suit him.

    Shoot, they may even have asked him. Or he may have spoken up about what he thought would be appropriate. Maybe he asked them to keep it simple.

    Not everything is a goddamn design opportunity, people. It isn’t the “show” of it that makes it meaningful. Or IS it these days? Have we really become that shallow, that we have to “show off” our sorrow, so that people will believe we really are sad?

    The answer is, If we’re faking it and making it about us and not the person who died, probably yes.

    —Ricko

  • Bernard | May 6, 2010 at 3:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”389127″][quote comment=”389120″][quote comment=”389101″]Has there ever been a survey of memorial patches? or the transition from armbands to patches?

    I was *super* disappointed that the Tigers are wearing another dumb black circle with initials in it. It would seem to me that Ernie deserves better than that…an old style microphone…the goofy yachting cap that he wore towards the end of his career…an image of Tiger Stadium…something a little more personal.

    w/r/t to the reggie bar…I think I remember it being sort of square. and they were pretty good! don’t understand why they never caught on…[/quote]

    To be fair, they had to come up with the patch in like 48 hours. Unless they already had them in stock and were just waiting for him to pass (which would be morbid, but I guess possible- everyone knew how sick he was).

    If they honor him next season with a patch or maybe a logo on the wall, I’m sure it’ll be better “designed”.[/quote]

    so…other than an armband or a patch, people think it should be more like this then?

    i spose there’s all kinds of crazy shit the tigers could have come up with

    by the way, some guy covered the memorial thing a while back

    personally, i’d rather NOT have any kind of logo memorial on the uni, as it affects the look of the uni, but i understand the need to show how much you really care for the deceased

    one thing memorial logos do do, however, is to id the year of a uni…sometimes even a particular game…which can be helpful[/quote]

    This is the one that always comes to mind for me:

    http://www.texnews.c...

    I’d like to see how they would do the yachting cap.

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2010 at 3:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”389129″]
    Not everything is a goddamn design opportunity, people. It isn’t the “show” of it that makes it meaningful. Or IS it these days? Have we really become that shallow, that we have to “show off” our sorrow, so that people will believe we really are sad?

    The answer is, If we’re faking it and making it about us and not the person who died, probably yes.[/quote]

    If they’re doing a jersey patch at all, then it’s about showy grief. So the Tigers have already gone there.

    And it’s certainly possible for a team to do something that is at once unique and properly dignified. It’s been done before.

  • Bernard | May 6, 2010 at 3:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”389117″][quote comment=”389051″][quote comment=”389050″][quote comment=”389048″][quote comment=”389035″]Conrad on the Chris Creamer board has mocked up all the new NBA logos based on the leaked images.[/quote]

    7/8 feature either a basketball or part of one (the only one that doesn’t is the fauxback). What a lazy, obvious choice.[/quote]

    Dude, that IS the NBA’s logo system. Quick, name the NBA teams that -don’t- have a basketball in their logo. Without actually looking, the only teams that come to mind are the Bulls, Spurs and thanks to it just being posted, Warriors. Are there even any others?[/quote]

    Yeah, I can’t think of any. But then again, I watch/follow the NBA as little as possible. Just another reason to hate that league, I suppose.[/quote]

    i don’t understand, why wouldn’t anybody like the idea of including a basketball into a basketball logo? i think it’s kind of clever[/quote]

    You’ve been in the desert for too long…

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2010 at 3:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”389130″]
    This is the one that always comes to mind for me:

    http://www.texnews.c...

    [quote comment=”389131″]And it’s certainly possible for a team to do something that is at once unique and properly dignified. It’s been done before.[/quote]

    the fedora was cool, i’ll admit

    but it just seems to me most patches/memorials these days are “look at us” gestures…

    not all…but most

  • marc | May 6, 2010 at 3:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”389132″][quote comment=”389117″]i don’t understand, why wouldn’t anybody like the idea of including a basketball into a basketball logo? i think it’s kind of clever[/quote]

    You’ve been in the desert for too long…[/quote]

    It’s not the concept that’s bad, I think it’s more that nearly every NBA team uses the ball in their logo.

  • GoTerriers | May 6, 2010 at 3:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”389133″][quote comment=”389130″]
    This is the one that always comes to mind for me:

    http://www.texnews.c...

    [quote comment=”389131″]And it’s certainly possible for a team to do something that is at once unique and properly dignified. It’s been done before.[/quote]

    the fedora was cool, i’ll admit

    but it just seems to me most patches/memorials these days are “look at us” gestures…

    not all…but most[/quote]

    You know . . .there’s a lot to be said for a simple black armband. No initials, no logos, no hats, microphones, caricatures.

  • JamesP. | May 6, 2010 at 3:43 pm |

    As posted by Astros Senior Director of Social Media, Alyson Footer:

    “Turning back the clock again, sort of.

    The live organist who played during the Turn Back the Clock Day last month was such a big hit that the Astros have decided to make it a regular Sunday feature.

    They’ll use the same Vintage Hammond Organ that they used during Turn Back the Clock Night, and the organist for the remainder of the season will be Jim Connors. Jim played in the Dome from 1984-1987 and was a referral from Brian Granquist, who played on the Turn Back the Clock Day.

    Jim was Brian’s predecessor back in the day.”

    Not exactly throwback uniforms, but any time an organ is brought back to a baseball stadium is a positive in my book!

  • Joel | May 6, 2010 at 3:43 pm |

    Is it me or does the new ND unis have that same collar as the new university of indiana football unis?

  • Bernard | May 6, 2010 at 3:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”389131″][quote comment=”389129″]
    Not everything is a goddamn design opportunity, people. It isn’t the “show” of it that makes it meaningful. Or IS it these days? Have we really become that shallow, that we have to “show off” our sorrow, so that people will believe we really are sad?

    The answer is, If we’re faking it and making it about us and not the person who died, probably yes.[/quote]

    If they’re doing a jersey patch at all, then it’s about showy grief. So the Tigers have already gone there.

    And it’s certainly possible for a team to do something that is at once unique and properly dignified. It’s been done before.[/quote]

    Chance – OT, but I was in Milwaukee for the first time this past weekend, for a wedding. I didn’t make it to Miller Park, but I DID find my way here:

    http://farm4.static....

    Out-friggin-standing.

  • Arturs Irbe | May 6, 2010 at 3:45 pm |

    Uni Watch fixed the Oakland A’s hats and helmets? What’s the link for that?

  • Ricko | May 6, 2010 at 3:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”389131″][quote comment=”389129″]
    Not everything is a goddamn design opportunity, people. It isn’t the “show” of it that makes it meaningful. Or IS it these days? Have we really become that shallow, that we have to “show off” our sorrow, so that people will believe we really are sad?

    The answer is, If we’re faking it and making it about us and not the person who died, probably yes.[/quote]

    If they’re doing a jersey patch at all, then it’s about showy grief. So the Tigers have already gone there.

    And it’s certainly possible for a team to do something that is at once unique and properly dignified. It’s been done before.[/quote]

    Absolutely. Such designs are not inappropriate at all. Most of them are just fine, and capture the spirit of the person. It’s the EXPECTING of them that’s off-base.

    What I was saying, and I imagine you agree, is that if something simple–and some would say “generic”–is what a team chooses to do, and deems appropriate for whatever reason–it is just fine. No one should get in their face for passing up an opportunity to design something.

    The team gets to decide what to do, based on the person, the organization and the thoughts of the surviving family members. And it shouldn’t be any other way.

    If we are more interested in wondering what the patch will be than realizing the game has lost someone of importance and perhaps learning about them, then we are, at best, looking diagonally in the wrong direction.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | May 6, 2010 at 3:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”389137″]Is it me or does the new ND unis have that same collar as the new university of indiana football unis?[/quote]
    What is this “University of Indiana” you speak of? Is that like one of those online-only colleges or something?

  • Ricko | May 6, 2010 at 3:57 pm |

    BTW, this month Ebbets Field Flannels is having a sale on all things Pacific Coast League. Jerseys, hats, grounds crew jackets….

    Jerseys normally are $185. Now they’re either $99 or $129.

    Here’s the link to their PCL jerseys..
    http://www.ebbets.co...

    Honest, I’m not shilling for them. Just letting people know who may not be on their mail or email list.

    —Ricko

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2010 at 4:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”389138″][quote comment=”389131″][quote comment=”389129″]
    Not everything is a goddamn design opportunity, people. It isn’t the “show” of it that makes it meaningful. Or IS it these days? Have we really become that shallow, that we have to “show off” our sorrow, so that people will believe we really are sad?

    The answer is, If we’re faking it and making it about us and not the person who died, probably yes.[/quote]

    If they’re doing a jersey patch at all, then it’s about showy grief. So the Tigers have already gone there.

    And it’s certainly possible for a team to do something that is at once unique and properly dignified. It’s been done before.[/quote]

    Chance – OT, but I was in Milwaukee for the first time this past weekend, for a wedding. I didn’t make it to Miller Park, but I DID find my way here:

    http://farm4.static....

    Out-friggin-standing.[/quote]
    Here’s how seldom I get back – I had no idea they were still around. Figured Zaffiro’s couldn’t still be around.

    Thanks for the reminder – will definitely have to hit it on my summer trip to the Cream City.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2010 at 4:11 pm |

    Just heard from a friend listening to the Phillies game.

    Robin Roberts has died.

    So I guess we can start the whole memorial patch discussion over again.

    (btw, he was a pitcher. A good one. Big part of the 1950 Whiz Kids.)

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2010 at 4:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”389144″]Robin Roberts has died.
    [/quote]

    no?

  • Jeremy | May 6, 2010 at 4:21 pm |

    http://scores.espn.g...

    a picture of Robin Robert’s jersey hanging in the Phillies dugout- ironically I think Jamie Moyer may have played with Roberts back in the day :). Notice that Moyer is just wearing some red sanitaries on his off days.

  • Joel | May 6, 2010 at 4:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”389141″][quote comment=”389137″]Is it me or does the new ND unis have that same collar as the new university of indiana football unis?[/quote]
    What is this “University of Indiana” you speak of? Is that like one of those online-only colleges or something?[/quote]

    you know what i men’t IU, doesn’t the collars on the new ND unis look like the ones on the new IU unis?

  • bourbon soaked idiot | May 6, 2010 at 4:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”389119″][quote comment=”389112″][quote comment=”389106″][quote comment=”389098″][quote comment=”389093″][quote comment=”389090″]Weather or not you consider the Yankee organization to be pure class or not, just take look at the logo from a purely graphic stand point. It’s awful.[/quote]

    What’s so awful about it? Considering it’s around 100 years old, it’s obviously stood the test of time — the perfect indicator of successful graphic design. Maybe it’s just me, but yours is the first negative opinion of the NY logo I’ve read. Perhaps its merely a great example of group-think, but it seems most sports fans find the Yankee’s interlocking NY logo to be a timeless classic.[/quote]

    It’s a great logo for its simplicity, as are all the interlocking city logos (Mets, Dodgers, Giants, Padres).[/quote]

    And Cards and Royals. Who am I leaving out in the bigs? Throw in the Knicks on their warmups, and the footblal Giants too.[/quote]

    Twins TC. I suppose you could throw the White Sox in there too tho it’s not a city logo. Rockies, not so much.[/quote]

    Entwining “N” and “Y” isn’t an easy task graphically, especially one atop the other.
    Let’s grab a pen and noodle with it if we don’t think that’s so. Tough assignment.

    “S” an “F” no picnic, either. Run out of ideas real fast.

    Or find something original, and good looking, for “St” and “L”.

    Easy to be a critic. Not so easy to come up with something better. I mean REALLY better, not just better because we thought of it and our moms would love it, and because it would be new and different.

    You know who did “NY” really well?
    The New York Knights.
    THE NATURAL’s art department simply connected the two letters, ala the KC on the Royals’ hats, and came up with something good looking. And, yes, it’s kind of lower case (depends on which Old English font variation you perceive it to be), but it still works.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’m not just being a critic, I’ve been a graphic designer for over 20 years. I understand the design process.

    In my professional opinon the logo is awful. It has stood the test of time only because the Yankees have been a dynasty or virtual dynasty for most of those 100 years.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2010 at 4:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”389146″]http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/photos?gameId=300506122&photoId=615688#photo_615694

    a picture of Robin Robert’s jersey hanging in the Phillies dugout- ironically I think Jamie Moyer may have played with Roberts back in the day :). Notice that Moyer is just wearing some red sanitaries on his off days.[/quote]

    Told ya. Stirrups are a bit of a hassle. Off day for him, why not just pull on a pair of the Phillies’ red tube socks.

    Likely not sanis, btw, not technically. Sanis are undersocks made of rib-less cotton or a cotton blend, much like, and most times even lighter weight than, a typical Hanes undershirt. Really flimsy, by comparison to solid color game socks.

    —Ricko

  • Wisch | May 6, 2010 at 4:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”389143″][quote comment=”389138″][quote comment=”389131″][quote comment=”389129″]
    Not everything is a goddamn design opportunity, people. It isn’t the “show” of it that makes it meaningful. Or IS it these days? Have we really become that shallow, that we have to “show off” our sorrow, so that people will believe we really are sad?

    The answer is, If we’re faking it and making it about us and not the person who died, probably yes.[/quote]

    If they’re doing a jersey patch at all, then it’s about showy grief. So the Tigers have already gone there.

    And it’s certainly possible for a team to do something that is at once unique and properly dignified. It’s been done before.[/quote]

    Chance – OT, but I was in Milwaukee for the first time this past weekend, for a wedding. I didn’t make it to Miller Park, but I DID find my way here:

    http://farm4.static....

    Out-friggin-standing.[/quote]
    Here’s how seldom I get back – I had no idea they were still around. Figured Zaffiro’s couldn’t still be around.

    Thanks for the reminder – will definitely have to hit it on my summer trip to the Cream City.[/quote]

    Actually, Zaffiro’s recipe was bought out by Marcus Corp. They use it to make their pizzas at a couple movie theaters in the Milwaukee area. But the original Zaffiro’s is still better (and cheaper). Great example of an outstanding thin crust pizza.

  • marc | May 6, 2010 at 5:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”389148″]I’m not just being a critic, I’ve been a graphic designer for over 20 years. I understand the design process.

    In my professional opinon the logo is awful. It has stood the test of time only because the Yankees have been a dynasty or virtual dynasty for most of those 100 years.[/quote]

    I’ve been a designer nearly 20 years myself and I respectfully disagree with your assessment, but I’m curious as to why you feel the NY is “awful.” Do you not like the intertwining of the letters? Is it simply the way it’s drawn (so to speak)? Do tell.

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2010 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”389151″][quote comment=”389148″]I’m not just being a critic, I’ve been a graphic designer for over 20 years. I understand the design process.

    In my professional opinon the logo is awful. It has stood the test of time only because the Yankees have been a dynasty or virtual dynasty for most of those 100 years.[/quote]

    I’ve been a designer nearly 20 years myself and I respectfully disagree with your assessment, but I’m curious as to why you feel the NY is “awful.” Do you not like the intertwining of the letters? Is it simply the way it’s drawn (so to speak)? Do tell.[/quote]

    Yes, please tell.

  • Chance Michaels | May 6, 2010 at 5:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”389149″][quote comment=”389146″]http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/photos?gameId=300506122&photoId=615688#photo_615694

    a picture of Robin Robert’s jersey hanging in the Phillies dugout- ironically I think Jamie Moyer may have played with Roberts back in the day :). Notice that Moyer is just wearing some red sanitaries on his off days.[/quote]

    Told ya. Stirrups are a bit of a hassle. Off day for him, why not just pull on a pair of the Phillies’ red tube socks.

    Likely not sanis, btw, not technically. Sanis are undersocks made of rib-less cotton or a cotton blend, much like, and most times even lighter weight than, a typical Hanes undershirt. Really flimsy, by comparison to solid color game socks.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Looks like this isn’t new for him:

    http://seattletimes....

  • DJ | May 6, 2010 at 5:24 pm |

    you know what i men’t IU, doesn’t the collars on the new ND unis look like the ones on the new IU unis?

    It just might. That’s a sharper v-neck cut than I’ve seen in past Notre Dame jerseys.

  • Ricko | May 6, 2010 at 5:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”389148″][quote comment=”389119″][quote comment=”389112″][quote comment=”389106″][quote comment=”389098″][quote comment=”389093″][quote comment=”389090″]Weather or not you consider the Yankee organization to be pure class or not, just take look at the logo from a purely graphic stand point. It’s awful.[/quote]

    What’s so awful about it? Considering it’s around 100 years old, it’s obviously stood the test of time — the perfect indicator of successful graphic design. Maybe it’s just me, but yours is the first negative opinion of the NY logo I’ve read. Perhaps its merely a great example of group-think, but it seems most sports fans find the Yankee’s interlocking NY logo to be a timeless classic.[/quote]

    It’s a great logo for its simplicity, as are all the interlocking city logos (Mets, Dodgers, Giants, Padres).[/quote]

    And Cards and Royals. Who am I leaving out in the bigs? Throw in the Knicks on their warmups, and the footblal Giants too.[/quote]

    Twins TC. I suppose you could throw the White Sox in there too tho it’s not a city logo. Rockies, not so much.[/quote]

    Entwining “N” and “Y” isn’t an easy task graphically, especially one atop the other.
    Let’s grab a pen and noodle with it if we don’t think that’s so. Tough assignment.

    “S” an “F” no picnic, either. Run out of ideas real fast.

    Or find something original, and good looking, for “St” and “L”.

    Easy to be a critic. Not so easy to come up with something better. I mean REALLY better, not just better because we thought of it and our moms would love it, and because it would be new and different.

    You know who did “NY” really well?
    The New York Knights.
    THE NATURAL’s art department simply connected the two letters, ala the KC on the Royals’ hats, and came up with something good looking. And, yes, it’s kind of lower case (depends on which Old English font variation you perceive it to be), but it still works.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’m not just being a critic, I’ve been a graphic designer for over 20 years. I understand the design process.

    In my professional opinon the logo is awful. It has stood the test of time only because the Yankees have been a dynasty or virtual dynasty for most of those 100 years.[/quote]

    Twenty years. So you started around the time computers arrived as a design tool (NOT making a comment on your design sense or skills, just getting the time frame straight).

    That means you certainly are well aware it was harder and more limiting (if for no other reason than things took forever), to do things by hand. And certainly going from medium to medium (or from hat to jacket to helmet, etc.) was a bitch without computers to precisely re-create the image every time, even automatically adjust it to account for the project’s particular needs.

    Designer? Me, too. Been doing it, or around it, for almost 45 years, not counting the years I watched my dad do what he did.

    And I wasn’t aiming it at you, honest. In fact, I’m sure everything I said earlier is stuff you already know. I thought it would be valid to let those who mutter about designs realize that many letter combinations are a real pain to work into lots of nifty and good-looking configurations, especially by hand, when you don’t have a computer to easily manipulate them…”N” and “Y” being two of them. “S” and “L” are two others. Don’t know that I ever saw a team in Salt Lake City really pull it off.

    The Yankees logo isn’t so much awful as “not modern” and “medium defined”, I believe. Wasn’t that “NY” originally rendered in wrought-iron, or involving some kind of metal…which would explain some of the design necessities? Thickness of strokes, necessary contact points, durability, etc.? I mean it wasn’t designed for two dimensions in the first place, was it?

    —Ricko

  • StLMarty | May 6, 2010 at 5:33 pm |

    I have a Baby Ruth/Butter Finger Cardinal helmet. It was a promotion in the 80’s.

  • marc | May 6, 2010 at 5:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”389155″]Wasn’t that “NY” originally rendered in wrought-iron, or involving some kind of metal…which would explain some of the design necessities? Thickness of strokes, necessary contact points, durability, etc.? I mean it wasn’t designed for two dimensions in the first place, was it?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yeah, there was a discussion here recently about it possibly being initially designed for a medal for a NY police officer injured (killed, even?) in the line of duty, I believe.

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2010 at 5:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”389155″]
    The Yankees logo isn’t so much awful as “not modern” and “medium defined”, I believe. Wasn’t that “NY” originally rendered in wrought-iron, or involving some kind of metal…which would explain some of the design necessities? Thickness of strokes, necessary contact points, durability, etc.? I mean it wasn’t designed for two dimensions in the first place, was it?[/quote]

    if you believe the company line, this medal, desigend in 1877 for the first slain police officer in NYC (maybe he wasn’t the first, but ONE of the first)…by tiffany…

    served as the basis for the 1909 yankee logo

    here’s a pic

    at least that’s the “story”…not saying i don’t believe it, but that’s what we’re being told is exactly how the yankee logo came to be

    found a pretty good writeup that seems to confirm all that

  • Ricko | May 6, 2010 at 6:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”389158″][quote comment=”389155″]
    The Yankees logo isn’t so much awful as “not modern” and “medium defined”, I believe. Wasn’t that “NY” originally rendered in wrought-iron, or involving some kind of metal…which would explain some of the design necessities? Thickness of strokes, necessary contact points, durability, etc.? I mean it wasn’t designed for two dimensions in the first place, was it?[/quote]

    if you believe the company line, this medal, desigend in 1877 for the first slain police officer in NYC (maybe he wasn’t the first, but ONE of the first)…by tiffany…

    served as the basis for the 1909 yankee logo

    here’s a pic

    at least that’s the “story”…not saying i don’t believe it, but that’s what we’re being told is exactly how the yankee logo came to be

    found a pretty good writeup that seems to confirm all that[/quote]

    I mentioned wrought-iron because I think I read it also was used on the gates of some historic place at one time. That would explain the “bowed” version (a variation on the Tiffany version). You’d have to do that to make it work on, or inside, a circle, say, which often is the case with a wrought-iron gate. That’s why I mentioned “contact points”. You gotta have places to anchor it to the superstructure.

    Do the “okay” sign and look at a Yankee logo through it sometime. You’ll see that it easily could be mounted onto a small circle behind it, with the letters extending a bit beyond he circle.

    —Ricko

  • Joel | May 6, 2010 at 6:24 pm |

    don’t the collars look the same to anyone else?

    http://farm5.static....

    http://hphotos-snc3....

  • Dwayne | May 6, 2010 at 6:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”389144″]Just heard from a friend listening to the Phillies game.

    Robin Roberts has died.

    So I guess we can start the whole memorial patch discussion over again.

    (btw, he was a pitcher. A good one. Big part of the 1950 Whiz Kids.)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    From the St. Petersburg Times:

    “Roberts’ No. 36 jersey, which the team retired in 1962, was hung in the dugout before an afternoon game with St. Louis. It will remain there the rest of the season, at home and on the road. Players will wear No. 36 on their sleeves, starting Friday night.”

  • Matthew Robins | May 6, 2010 at 7:09 pm |

    I forget, did these ever get mentioned in the Turn Ahead the Clock articles? http://www.silverscr... A’s

    and http://www.silverscr... Tigers http://www.silverscr...

    From CCSL

  • Chris from Carver | May 6, 2010 at 8:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”389162″]I forget, did these ever get mentioned in the Turn Ahead the Clock articles? http://www.silverscr... A’s

    and http://www.silverscr... Tigers http://www.silverscr...

    From CCSL[/quote]
    Has anyone notified Bill Henderson of that picture of the A’s? His Uniform Guide laments the lack of a photo from that game.

  • The Jeff | May 6, 2010 at 8:29 pm |

    Ok I’m not going to try to quote everyone and screw that up… but some replies…

    The Yankees NY isn’t bad in & of itself, it’s bad because there’s 4 variations on it. That may have been excusable before computers, but is it really still excusable now? There’s no reason they couldn’t standardize it today. And don’t tell me “oh well the hat logo wouldn’t look good on the jersey”. Yeah, right. Like the average fan would even notice the difference.

    As for the NBA and basketballs in logos… if you have to put a basketball in your logo, it kinda says that people wouldn’t know what sport you played if you didn’t. It stops being “clever” when 3/4ths of the league does it.

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2010 at 8:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”389164″]The Yankees NY isn’t bad in & of itself, it’s bad because there’s 4 variations on it. That may have been excusable before computers, but is it really still excusable now? There’s no reason they couldn’t standardize it today. And don’t tell me “oh well the hat logo wouldn’t look good on the jersey”. Yeah, right. Like the average fan would even notice the difference.[/quote]

    couple things

    1) why should they standardize it? because you don’t like it? (im not saying im against this, i just want to understand why having the four variations bothers you so much); personally, i’m torn, because my OCD demands that they “fix” it, but my “if it ain’t broke” side says…is it that big of a deal?

    2)”Like the average fan would even notice the difference” — excellent point; but we do, and that’s pretty much all that matters

    the “average fan” also likes black alternates apparently

    3)honestly, it kind of is a shitty logo, but so what? there is probably no more instantly recognizable logo on the planet (at least in the sporting world) — again, it ain’t broke; i prefer the giants/mets interlocking NY (and not just because i’m a fan) but to my eye, i donno — it looks ‘neater’ … a more elegant font, if you will

    but it will NEVER approach the iconic status of the yankees NY…and that’s not necessarily a bad thing

    the mets farted around with their beautiful orange and blue and wound up with this crap…not saying the yankees would end up like that, but why change?

    and if you were to standardize their logo…which one would you choose? pick the cap logo and put it on the uni? the uni logo on the cap? something else?

    just sayin…it’s one of those things best just left alone

  • interlockingtc | May 6, 2010 at 8:50 pm |

    http://i67.photobuck...

    If that is, in fact, the new Warriors logo, then I think we finally have something to celebrate.

    There is nothing else like it. A partial rendering of…a BRIDGE! Just two colors! Blue and Gold! Negative space! No bevels! No black! No basketball depicted! No gratuitous borders!

    And it looks like the Jazz have finally come to their senses.

    The Clippers? ***sigh*** Whatever was wrong the sail boat logo they once had?

  • interlockingtc | May 6, 2010 at 8:53 pm |

    I realize of course the Mets logo depicts a bridge, but the key word is PARTIAL. I think that is so cool.

  • frankenslade | May 6, 2010 at 8:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”389105″][quote comment=”389101″]
    And here’s a tweet from Rob Neyer at ESPN:

    “Hard to top the Cardinals’ uniforms, but the Phillies are looking absolutely fabulous today.”[/quote]
    Neyer got that right! I love the Phillies’ cream day unis, and the Cardinals’ unis always look great.

  • The Jeff | May 6, 2010 at 9:12 pm |

    Easiest option would be to just take the cap logo and use it everywhere else. The cap logo probably is the most recognizable version thanks to all the various colored fashion hats and stuff floating around. I’m not saying they need a rebranding or to even really bother telling anyone about it. If they just came out next season and the cap NY was the only one in use, 95% of people wouldn’t notice, and the other 5% would be on here arguing about whether or not it was a good idea.

    And yeah, it is pretty much just an OCD sort of thing. The Cowboys multiple shades of blue bothers me in the same way. Just… pick… one…

  • scott | May 6, 2010 at 9:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”389164″]As for the NBA and basketballs in logos… if you have to put a basketball in your logo, it kinda says that people wouldn’t know what sport you played if you didn’t. It stops being “clever” when 3/4ths of the league does it.[/quote]

    Don’t most MLB teams also use baseballs in their logos? Not in their cap logos or on their jerseys, but certainly in their logos.

  • Eric B in KC | May 6, 2010 at 10:07 pm |

    the Kansas City Royals use an inconsistant script in their merchandising. if you google image search KC Royals and look at the “o” in “Royals,” you’ll see it.

  • Chris from Carver | May 6, 2010 at 10:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”389170″][quote comment=”389164″]As for the NBA and basketballs in logos… if you have to put a basketball in your logo, it kinda says that people wouldn’t know what sport you played if you didn’t. It stops being “clever” when 3/4ths of the league does it.[/quote]

    Don’t most MLB teams also use baseballs in their logos? Not in their cap logos or on their jerseys, but certainly in their logos.[/quote]
    Only 11 out of 30. 7 in the NL & 4 in the AL

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2010 at 10:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”389166″]http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h296/THEc0nr4d/new-NBA-2010-11.png

    If that is, in fact, the new Warriors logo, then I think we finally have something to celebrate.

    There is nothing else like it. A partial rendering of…a BRIDGE! [/quote]

    what’s really cool is it’s the new eastern span of the bay bridge…which is awesome…we’re so used to classic double spans, but this new single span is in the style of the bunker hill bridge architecture (which is itself a double span

    gorgeous rendering and will be exquisite when finished

  • traxel | May 6, 2010 at 10:22 pm |

    Dammit! Aarrghh! Was putting the finishing touches on a comment with lotsa links, toggling around, and hit the wrong tiny x.

    Well, here’s one that I’ll reprint. Ricko, thanks for leading me to this awesome sleeve patch:
    http://www.ebbets.co...

    Oh, and unless they are really really good, don’t throw a ball in a logo for a ball’s sake. BFBS. Here’s a bad example:
    http://www.chriscrea...
    I could come up with dozens of cool logos for the Giants, and they use this garbage.

  • JimV19 | May 6, 2010 at 10:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”389165″][quote comment=”389164″]The Yankees NY isn’t bad in & of itself, it’s bad because there’s 4 variations on it. That may have been excusable before computers, but is it really still excusable now? There’s no reason they couldn’t standardize it today. And don’t tell me “oh well the hat logo wouldn’t look good on the jersey”. Yeah, right. Like the average fan would even notice the difference.[/quote]

    couple things

    1) why should they standardize it? because you don’t like it? (im not saying im against this, i just want to understand why having the four variations bothers you so much); personally, i’m torn, because my OCD demands that they “fix” it, but my “if it ain’t broke” side says…is it that big of a deal?

    2)”Like the average fan would even notice the difference” — excellent point; but we do, and that’s pretty much all that matters

    the “average fan” also likes black alternates apparently

    3)honestly, it kind of is a shitty logo, but so what? there is probably no more instantly recognizable logo on the planet (at least in the sporting world) — again, it ain’t broke; i prefer the giants/mets interlocking NY (and not just because i’m a fan) but to my eye, i donno — it looks ‘neater’ … a more elegant font, if you will

    but it will NEVER approach the iconic status of the yankees NY…and that’s not necessarily a bad thing

    the mets farted around with their beautiful orange and blue and wound up with this crap…not saying the yankees would end up like that, but why change?

    and if you were to standardize their logo…which one would you choose? pick the cap logo and put it on the uni? the uni logo on the cap? something else?

    just sayin…it’s one of those things best just left alone[/quote]

    One could say the same thing about the A’s and Tigers, eh?

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2010 at 10:25 pm |

    damn…just reread that…

    didn’t mean to say “span” all those times…

    meant to say tower…those are all single span bridges

  • Ricko | May 6, 2010 at 10:25 pm |

    A lot of the history of basketballs in NBA logos goes to the days when the league was a poor third to MLB and football. They just wanted people who saw the logos to know it was a basketball team.

    For many years what kept the NBA alive in New York was tourists wanting to see Madison Square Garden. Ticket agents couldn’t always get the events folks wanted so they’d say, “But I can get you tickets to the Knickerbockers”. “Okay, we’ll take those.”

    I’m talking the late ’40 and the 50’s, mostly.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | May 6, 2010 at 10:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”389170″][quote comment=”389164″]As for the NBA and basketballs in logos… if you have to put a basketball in your logo, it kinda says that people wouldn’t know what sport you played if you didn’t. It stops being “clever” when 3/4ths of the league does it.[/quote]

    Don’t most MLB teams also use baseballs in their logos? Not in their cap logos or on their jerseys, but certainly in their logos.[/quote]

    I’d like to see football teams use footballs in their logos. Or helmets.

    For example, when buying a shirt, I’d be more willing to buy this http://ecx.images-am... over this. http://ecx.images-am...

    Or this http://www.highroads... versus this. http://product.image...

  • JimV19 | May 6, 2010 at 10:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”389178″]Or this http://edge.shop.com... versus this. http://product.image...

    First one: http://product.image...

  • JTH | May 6, 2010 at 10:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”389176″]damn…just reread that…

    didn’t mean to say “span” all those times…

    meant to say tower…those are all single span bridges[/quote]
    Whatever. The end result is still the same. That Warriors logo is now, officially, the best logo IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA.

    In fact, the only thing that can possibly make it better is if they strip it of the “GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS” wordmark and replace it with “The CITY”.

  • traxel | May 6, 2010 at 10:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”389173″][quote comment=”389166″]http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h296/THEc0nr4d/new-NBA-2010-11.png

    If that is, in fact, the new Warriors logo, then I think we finally have something to celebrate.

    There is nothing else like it. A partial rendering of…a BRIDGE! [/quote]

    what’s really cool is it’s the new eastern span of the bay bridge…which is awesome…we’re so used to classic double spans, but this new single span is in the style of the bunker hill bridge architecture (which is itself a double span

    gorgeous rendering and will be exquisite when finished[/quote]
    I’ve never seen a cable stay that wasn’t cool.
    http://farm2.static....
    http://www.concretem...
    http://www.vsl-sg.co...

  • traxel | May 6, 2010 at 10:50 pm |

    Bridge. Cable Stay Bridge. Meant that.

    BTW, I’m not quite as keen on the new Golden State logo. The bridge looks warped. Is the thing curved or something that I don’t know about? I think the idea is there, colors are good, not big on the different size wordmarks, overall – pretty good. Could have been better, but, well, it still is pretty damn good. Can’t get over the warped thing though.

  • JimV19 | May 6, 2010 at 10:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”389166″]The Clippers? ***sigh*** Whatever was wrong the sail boat logo they once had?[/quote]

    ***sigh***
    http://www.nba.com/m...

  • Caleb Cross | May 6, 2010 at 10:55 pm |

    Noticed some talk about Notre Dame’s new football jersey. I have a friend who went to visit Notre Dame and posted this photo to his website.

    http://sphotos.ak.fb...

    Personally, I like the simplicity of it.

  • JimV19 | May 6, 2010 at 10:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”389183″][quote comment=”389166″]The Clippers? ***sigh*** Whatever was wrong the sail boat logo they once had?[/quote]

    ***sigh***
    http://www.nba.com/m...

    Okay, fine.

    Here it is with its equally cool predecessor:
    http://3.bp.blogspot...

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2010 at 10:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”389183″][quote comment=”389166″]The Clippers? ***sigh*** Whatever was wrong the sail boat logo they once had?[/quote]

    ***sigh***
    http://www.nba.com/m...

    having a powers-esque experience tonight jim?

  • traxel | May 6, 2010 at 11:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”389176″]damn…just reread that…

    didn’t mean to say “span” all those times…

    meant to say tower…those are all single span bridges[/quote]
    Actually……the single tower has a span on both sides of it.

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2010 at 11:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”389182″]The bridge looks warped. Is the thing curved or something that I don’t know about? Can’t get over the warped thing though.[/quote]

    well, that’s a rendering — it’s not built yet…but if you go here, there are some renderings and in progress pics

    but it IS curved…although the portion suspended by the cables appears straight

    or were you talking about the warriors logo looking curved

    i can’t help ya there

  • LI Phil | May 6, 2010 at 11:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”389187″]
    Actually……the single tower has a span on both sides of it.[/quote]

    fuck

    /never try to sound smart when there’s an architect on the board

  • JimV19 | May 6, 2010 at 11:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”389186″][quote comment=”389183″][quote comment=”389166″]The Clippers? ***sigh*** Whatever was wrong the sail boat logo they once had?[/quote]

    ***sigh***
    http://www.nba.com/m...

    having a powers-esque experience tonight jim?[/quote]

    Something like that…

  • flip | May 7, 2010 at 1:05 am |

    [quote comment=”389185″][quote comment=”389183″][quote comment=”389166″]The Clippers? ***sigh*** Whatever was wrong the sail boat logo they once had?[/quote]

    ***sigh***
    http://www.nba.com/m...

    Okay, fine.

    Here it is with its equally cool predecessor:
    http://3.bp.blogspot...

    Yep, a good look http://www.emptytheb...

  • Matt Dunn | May 7, 2010 at 2:52 am |

    After hours of utilizing my amateur Photoshop skills, I’ve come up with uniform tweaks for all NFL teams. Check it out, then let me know what you think!

  • Chris Powers | May 7, 2010 at 5:49 am |

    Extremely late comment, but I feel that something like this would have been very appropriate as a sleeve patch for Ernie Harwell. For those of you who don’t know, Ernie began every spring season by reciting the “Song of the Turtle”.

  • The Fonz | May 8, 2010 at 12:32 am |

    anyone complaining about the mets script are just sad sacks with no lives….they look nearly identical and its something i really wouldn\’t complain about, nor anyone else should.

    maybe you guys should stop being nerds complainig about the lengths between the M and the E and just report about uniforms and it\’s changes like this blog should be doing.

  • Clifton | May 8, 2010 at 2:59 am |

    You can take or leave the Suns’ “political statement”… and I will not get into politics at alll. but, no recognition of the fact the the result of the Suns wearing their orane jerseys meant that we had the first road-jersey-on-road-jersey non-exhibition game in, like, a long time?

    I’m an amateur UniWatcher, but I thought this was a novelty of some sort. The Suns’ orange jerseys are their alternate road colors… NOT their alternate home colors. Thus, the orange-on-black game meant that both teams were wearing road colors. Home games played with Los Suns jerseys during the regular season required visiting teams to wear their white jerseys.

    Personally, I was just pleased that called-up D-Leaguer Dwayne Jones got a warm-up that had his number on the back before the playoffs began. Up until the end of the regular season, he’d been wearing a blank warm-up top. They’re carrying him on the roster until Lopez’s balky back heals, if at all, and I was glad to see they finally made him up a #21 warm-up top.