Chief Wahoo Has No Comment

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There’s an old episode of This American Life in which a guy descended from Native Americans talks about the stories his grandfather used to tell. “He say, ‘All this land used to be ours, but then the white man came and took it. And then the white man killed all the buffalo.’ The white man this, the white man that. And I was really little, so in my mind I just pictured this one giant white man — that’s what I thought he meant.”

Ah, but what if the white man is a Seminole Indian?

That’s the all-white combo that Florida State will supposedly be wearing this fall against Oklahoma. It isn’t the first time a football team with a Native American team name has gone white-on-white, but FSU’s new white helmet kinda takes it another level, no? Seems very odd for a team called the Seminoles to look that white — just feels wrong, much like this team name always felt wrong. I mean, if FSU’s gonna wear that design, shouldn’t they rename themselves the Palefaces or something?

Then again, it could be worse. Reader Mike MacCulloch pointed me toward those shots of the 1914 Nebraska Indians, an early barnstorming team that was among the top squads in the country. According to this page, most of the players on the team were indeed Native Americans (although they apparently dressed more conventionally at least some of the time). At least one other Nebraska team from that era wore “big heap national pastime” uniforms: the Oxford Indians. After looking at that, maybe going solid-white isn’t such a bad option.

Of course, the best photo of Indians in uniform is this one. That’s Chief Meyers (who was not a chief but was indeed a Native American) and Chief Bender (ditto), who faced off during the 1911 World Series.

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Pajama Research Project: As you all know, this site is very much opposed to low-cuffed baseball pants. But amidst all the chatter about Ubaldo Jimenez’s stirrups and the Giants’ striped socks and such, there’s a small bit of reality that needs to be acknowledged: Most baseball players these days go low-cuffed. I’d like to know why.

So if you’re a past or present low-cuffer at the high school, college, semi-pro, or minor league levels, I have a simple question for you: Why do you do it? I can think of many possible answers — it’s lower-maintenance, it’s more comfortable, everyone else does it, it’s how everyone always did it all the way back to your Little League days, you think it looks cool, you wear those wraparound shinguards and it’s easier to cover them with your pants, you’re imitating your favorite big-leaguers, high-cuffing is only for old farts, etc. And maybe there are other reasons I’m unaware of. Whatever your reasons are, I’d like to hear from you.

And if you go to special lengths to keep your pants low — removing the elastic from your cuffs, putting Velcro strips on your cleats, impaling the back of your pant cuff on one of your spikes — I want to know why you do that, too. The mind of the lower-cuffer is a very alien place to me, so I’m trying to learn as much about it as possible in order to understand it. If you’d like to assist in this effort, you know what to do.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Lots of new uni combos apparently on tap for Florida State football. … Looks like the Arizona Cardinals are about to unveil something new (as noted by Alan Valenzuela). … Yesterday I asked about this Jets helmet. That shot is from 11/21/93, when the Jets wore that helmet to mark the 25th anniversary of Super Bowl III, as noted in the last graf on this page. They then added two white stripes to that design for their 1994 throwback games (with thanks to Adam Triesler). … Auburn’s larger helmet logo is just an experiment, at least for now (with thanks to Jonathan Lancaster). … Good catch by Nate Dion, who noticed that Goran Dragic now has an accent on his NOB. Wasn’t there during the regular season. … If you live in or near Chicago, you may want to check out this screening of rare baseball films (with thanks to Tom Fredrickson). … Lots of Kelli McGregor memorials over the past couple of days: On Monday night, Todd Helton wore McGregor’s initials on his cap and the Rockies hung a jersey in the dugout with McGregor’s old college football number. And last night the team added a sleeve patch. … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: The Field Museum in Chicago, famous for its dinosaur exhibits, is doing the big-jersey thing for the Blackhawks’ playoff push. … The American League BP jerseys for the All-Star Game will apparently look like this (with thanks to Jessica De Leon). … Sean Engelhardt has painted an Ebbets Field-style wall on his bedroom wall. … Tons — and I mean tons — of spectacular old printed ephemera on display here (big thanks to my Amy Fritch). … What’s the difference between a Bronco and a Mustang? Not much, apparently (as noted by Matt Englander). … Latest WNBA team to sell out to a corporate sponsor: the Seattle Storm Microsofts. Details here. … Lots of good images in this St. Louis Browns history site (with thanks to Lance Smith). … The Pens are now reportedly keeping their retro alts after all (with thanks to Rob Ullman). … I think we may have seen this before, but it’s worth revisiting: Spectacular hockey footage available in this 10-minute 1953 film. Don’t miss (with thanks to Mario Morgado). … Yesterday I mentioned that Heath Bell was wearing Marines-inspired cleats when the Padres wear camo, but I didn’t have any photos. Now I do, thanks to Dan Cichalski. … Not sure why the Jays chose to wear their Friday throwbacks on Wednesday, but it created something that was just what the world needed: a blue-on-blue game. … Last week I showed a screen shot of the Hampton Crabbers’ amazing football helmets. Turns out the school also had a really cool yearbook cover design (thanks, Kek). … Oh man, Jeremy Brahm found an old photo of a Japanese women’s ballplayer that’s nine kinds of awesome. … “We learned about this at school today,” says Phillip Garza. “That’s a team sponsored by Louis Armstrong.” … There are twins, and then there are twins (with thanks to John Muir).

 

170 comments to Chief Wahoo Has No Comment

  • Russel | April 22, 2010 at 7:12 am |

    I was watching the A’s/Yankees game last night and noticed that the MLB emblem on the back of the Yanks’ caps was navy/gray. For some reason, I recall it being blue/red prior to last year’s Yankee Stadium patch. Can anyone confirm if this is something new for 2010?

  • DJ | April 22, 2010 at 7:14 am |

    I mean, if FSU’s gonna wear that design, shouldn’t they rename themselves the Palefaces or something?

    If they had re-done the whtie helmet’s logo to render it in garnet and gold, it might have been better.

  • Paul Lukas | April 22, 2010 at 7:30 am |

    [quote comment=”386870″]I was watching the A’s/Yankees game last night and noticed that the MLB emblem on the back of the Yanks’ caps was navy/gray. For some reason, I recall it being blue/red prior to last year’s Yankee Stadium patch. Can anyone confirm if this is something new for 2010?[/quote]

    Yes, new for 2010. Covered semi-extensively here over the past month or so.

  • JTH | April 22, 2010 at 7:52 am |

    [quote comment=”386871″]I mean, if FSU’s gonna wear that design, shouldn’t they rename themselves the Palefaces or something?

    If they had re-done the whtie helmet’s logo to render it in garnet and gold, it might have been better.[/quote]
    Yeah. I don’t get that. The new black helmet appears to have a garnet & gold spear (as did last year’s rifelry version) so why use the “standard” spear from the gold helmet on the new white helmet?

    Aside from that, I think it’s actually not a bad look for them.

  • Mike Edgerly | April 22, 2010 at 7:59 am |

    [quote comment=”386873″][quote comment=”386871″]I mean, if FSU’s gonna wear that design, shouldn’t they rename themselves the Palefaces or something?

    If they had re-done the whtie helmet’s logo to render it in garnet and gold, it might have been better.[/quote]
    Yeah. I don’t get that. The new black helmet appears to have a garnet & gold spear (as did last year’s rifelry version) so why use the “standard” spear from the gold helmet on the new white helmet?

    Aside from that, I think it’s actually not a bad look for them.[/quote]
    They’ve actually gone white jerseys+pants off and on since 1988 (the “punt rooskie” game), but this is the first time they’ve added a white helmet, that’s all.

  • jude | April 22, 2010 at 8:07 am |

    The Rockies are wearing KSM on their sleeves, hmm? In New York, KSM is a common abbreviation in the papers for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

    Just sayin’

  • Chik Patty | April 22, 2010 at 8:19 am |

    All that has been said about the lack of gold on the white helmet, when it’s clearly available on the black one… you took my answer.

    Surely that AZ Cardinal deal is just going to be an alternate. Perhaps black?

  • JTH | April 22, 2010 at 8:21 am |

    [quote comment=”386874″][quote comment=”386873″][quote comment=”386871″]I mean, if FSU’s gonna wear that design, shouldn’t they rename themselves the Palefaces or something?

    If they had re-done the whtie helmet’s logo to render it in garnet and gold, it might have been better.[/quote]
    Yeah. I don’t get that. The new black helmet appears to have a garnet & gold spear (as did last year’s rifelry version) so why use the “standard” spear from the gold helmet on the new white helmet?

    Aside from that, I think it’s actually not a bad look for them.[/quote]
    They’ve actually gone white jerseys+pants off and on since 1988 (the “punt rooskie” game), but this is the first time they’ve added a white helmet, that’s all.[/quote]
    Right. And the helmet looks like crap without any gold.

  • Geeman | April 22, 2010 at 8:34 am |

    Those FSU uniforms are absurd, especially the all-black ensemble (black is not a school color). The gold helmets make FSU what it is, so why ruin it? Nike is doing the same thing to North Carolina’s football uniforms. It’s enough to make you stop watching.

  • diz | April 22, 2010 at 8:40 am |

    The leftmost helmet on that Cards picture looks a bit photoshopped to me… Or are my contact lenses just knackered?

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 8:42 am |

    [quote comment=”386878″] The gold helmets make FSU what it is, so why ruin it? [/quote]

    because they can

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 8:45 am |

    oh, yeah…forgot

    any word on whether teams will use recycled caps or jerseys today…especially those made in china and flown here?

  • The Jeff | April 22, 2010 at 8:52 am |

    Meh @ Florida State. I guess it doesn’t look bad, but there’s just no reason for it. WFWS I guess. Of course in my perfect world they’d have either a red jersey or a gold jersey and there wouldn’t be any white or black going on, so whatever.

    As for the blue vs blue baseball game – I like it. And honestly, it looks to me like just a color shifted version of what we see all the time with white vs gray anyway. It’s not a big deal.

  • Geeman | April 22, 2010 at 9:01 am |

    [quote comment=”386880″][quote comment=”386878″] The gold helmets make FSU what it is, so why ruin it? [/quote]

    because they can[/quote]

    Should be a major addendum to your BFBS essay.

  • Geeman | April 22, 2010 at 9:22 am |

    Nice header on today’s post, by the way.

  • Mark K | April 22, 2010 at 9:26 am |

    I like that Ebbets Field wall.

  • Jeremy | April 22, 2010 at 9:31 am |

    What’s the difference between a Bronco and a Mustang? Not much, apparently (as noted by Matt Englander)

    a uni tidbit from this page… it looks like November student of the month Brather Cline is wearing a Roma shirt

  • Ricko | April 22, 2010 at 9:46 am |

    [quote comment=”386886″]What’s the difference between a Bronco and a Mustang? Not much, apparently (as noted by Matt Englander)

    a uni tidbit from this page… it looks like November student of the month Brather Cline is wearing a Roma shirt[/quote]

    “A horse is a horse, of course, of course…”

    While we’re at it, though…
    Generally, a “mustang” is a wild horse, still running free.
    Don’t think it’s a “bronco” until it’s been caught but doesn’t care much for being ridden…yet. Or, for rodeo purposes, has a strap around its, um, stallionhood.

    Just, y’know, referencing Hoppy an’ them.

    Isn’t necessarily big news that schools borrow logos. What IS new is that they’re still doing it in this day of computer design when they could get great stuff in house.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | April 22, 2010 at 9:50 am |

    [quote comment=”386882″]Meh @ Florida State. I guess it doesn’t look bad, but there’s just no reason for it. WFWS I guess. Of course in my perfect world they’d have either a red jersey or a gold jersey and there wouldn’t be any white or black going on, so whatever.[/quote]

    You’d like to see them go monochrome gold on the road? Or did you mean a gold jersey to be worn with garnet (or white) pants?

    [quote comment=”386882″]As for the blue vs blue baseball game – I like it. And honestly, it looks to me like just a color shifted version of what we see all the time with white vs gray anyway. It’s not a big deal.[/quote]
    Huh? The Jays had powder blue jerseys and pants whereas the Royals had royal blue shirts and gray trousers. How is that color-shifted white vs. gray?

  • FormerDirtDart | April 22, 2010 at 9:53 am |

    It seems the UFL has been busy under the radar. Or, at the very least my radar.
    The California Redwoods and New York Sentinels both moved. Becoming the Sacramento Mountain Lions and Hartford Colonials respectively. Omaha has been granted an expansion team. Omaha??
    Both the Mountain Lions and Colonials were supposedly renamed by fan voting. And, Omaha is currently using the same method to choose a name.
    No new team logos or colors are available yet.

  • matt in cleveland | April 22, 2010 at 9:54 am |

    the black helmets are different the the procombat last year http://i896.photobuc... i dont know what to think about the all whites or all blacks i think i am becoming immune to wfws and bfbs…lol also arizona cardnals if u say april 22nd i go to ur site and there is nothing up about your unis on april 22 u suck i hate that !

  • FormerDirtDart | April 22, 2010 at 9:58 am |

    [quote comment=”386890″]the black helmets are different the the procombat last year http://i896.photobuc... i dont know what to think about the all whites or all blacks i think i am becoming immune to wfws and bfbs…lol also arizona cardnals if u say april 22nd i go to ur site and there is nothing up about your unis on april 22 u suck i hate that ![/quote]
    Come on man, if there is a new jersey, they’ll show it tonight at the draft. A lot more people will be watching that than visiting their web page

  • marc | April 22, 2010 at 9:58 am |

    So… the Royals have two blue jerseys? What’s the point? at the very least, the dark one from yesterdays blue v. blue was readable. The royal blue “Royals” on the powder blue is not good. Once again, MLB takes an old jersey and screws it up.

  • matt in cleveland | April 22, 2010 at 10:07 am |

    i know its just a pet peeve of mine. also azcardnals page sucks very hard to navigate…lol… ? i did not know of those great ’34 white bears unis is there any current team using anything close to that?????

  • timmy b | April 22, 2010 at 10:09 am |

    Re-Answering the question for anyone interested in the basis of the Bears scheduled throwbacks that was released to the public yesterday:

    They are based on what was worn from 1941 thru the first couple of games in 1949. Game 3 on in ‘49 they switched to a crude version of the rounded white numerals that – with a couple of gaps in the durene/mesh phase period (71-73)- they wear to this day. Without my notes, in 1948 (I think) the Bears did add a very thin white outline to the orange numbers. The font looks a little thicker than what was worn originally.

    The Bears were NFL Champs in 1941, 1943 and 1946 and also went undefeated in the regular season in 1942 wearing this jersey. So it is a good period to draw from for a throwback.

    As for that #25 sample in the display case? I must say I have never come across that as a Bears jersey.

  • FormerDirtDart | April 22, 2010 at 10:10 am |

    OK,FSU does use black in their logo http://upload.wikime...
    So I guess they believe there is some logical connection (black hair??). But why the hell is the dark uniform navy?? http://i896.photobuc...

  • timmy b | April 22, 2010 at 10:11 am |

    BTW, that was a tremendous interview on the pouch and the TB Bucs orange era unis yesterday.

    Amazing stuff. I do wish they would have gone with the all-orange look.

  • Ricko | April 22, 2010 at 10:11 am |

    [quote comment=”386891″][quote comment=”386890″]the black helmets are different the the procombat last year http://i896.photobuc... i dont know what to think about the all whites or all blacks i think i am becoming immune to wfws and bfbs…lol also arizona cardnals if u say april 22nd i go to ur site and there is nothing up about your unis on april 22 u suck i hate that ![/quote]
    Come on man, if there is a new jersey, they’ll show it tonight at the draft. A lot more people will be watching that than visiting their web page[/quote]

    Was gonna say, pretty sure April 22nd isn’t over yet.

  • The Jeff | April 22, 2010 at 10:11 am |

    [quote comment=”386888″][quote comment=”386882″]Meh @ Florida State. I guess it doesn’t look bad, but there’s just no reason for it. WFWS I guess. Of course in my perfect world they’d have either a red jersey or a gold jersey and there wouldn’t be any white or black going on, so whatever.[/quote]

    You’d like to see them go monochrome gold on the road? Or did you mean a gold jersey to be worn with garnet (or white) pants?

    I’d prefer garnet on gold at home and gold on garnet on the road, but I’m ok with the monocrome look if the pants have stripes. I like color vs color, and I wouldn’t have anyone wear a white jersey unless white is a major part of their color scheme. So a team like the Colts, or to stay in the NCAA level, Penn State, would still have a white jersey option. Teams like Florida State or Michigan wouldn’t. But that’s just me.

    [quote comment=”386882″]As for the blue vs blue baseball game – I like it. And honestly, it looks to me like just a color shifted version of what we see all the time with white vs gray anyway. It’s not a big deal.[/quote]
    Huh? The Jays had powder blue jerseys and pants whereas the Royals had royal blue shirts and gray trousers. How is that color-shifted white vs. gray?[/quote]

    Brain freeze on the baseball since I just looked at the one picture where you can’t see the pants on the one player and apparently wasn’t thinking. My bad. Still, I don’t mind it. You can still tell the teams apart easily enough, and baseball is the one sport where isn’t really that much interaction where it causes any real confusion. Close calls are typically ball in glove vs foot on bag, so jersey colors aren’t that important. There’s about as much contrast between white and gray as their is between powder and royal, gray pants aside.

  • The Jeff | April 22, 2010 at 10:13 am |

    …damn italics and lack of preview window :(

  • FormerDirtDart | April 22, 2010 at 10:18 am |

    I guess FSU will also be wearing a third helmet, not pictured in the article:
    “Uniforms that they are going to wear in Norman are all white with white helmets & facemask with garnet, black & gold spears.”
    http://www.tomahawkn...

  • Ricko | April 22, 2010 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=”386896″]BTW, that was a tremendous interview on the pouch and the TB Bucs orange era unis yesterday.

    Amazing stuff. I do wish they would have gone with the all-orange look.[/quote]

    Might have been a bit much.

    On the Up side, they could have taped wooden lawn sign stakes to their butts and gone to Halloween parties AS Creamsicles.

    That would have been interesting. ;)

    —Ricko

  • Perry | April 22, 2010 at 10:23 am |

    It’s Keli McGregor. One “l.”

  • Jon | April 22, 2010 at 10:35 am |

    What? Not even a mention of the AMAZING Striping of the Hampton Crabbers’ jersey sleeves???!!

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 10:35 am |

    [quote comment=”386882″]
    As for the blue vs blue baseball game – I like it. And honestly, it looks to me like just a color shifted version of what we see all the time with white vs gray anyway. It’s not a big deal.[/quote]

    in what universe?

    and you could make the argument that color in baseball (as far as necessity for telling teams apart) is irrelevant (although i can think of a few situations where it’s important)…enough so you will occasionally get matchups like this

    if that’s your cuppa, more power to you

    never in anyone’s arguments against softball tops has the argument against them been because of difficulty in telling the two teams apart (although that in and of itself could probably stand on the merits in the mets/braves case)

    softball tops, quite simply, don’t belong in baseball…whether you find the colors pretty is irrelevant

    and the bluejays shouldn’t be wearing road uniforms at home…PERIOD

  • chance michaels | April 22, 2010 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment=”386894″]Re-Answering the question for anyone interested in the basis of the Bears scheduled throwbacks that was released to the public yesterday:

    They are based on what was worn from 1941 thru the first couple of games in 1949. Game 3 on in ‘49 they switched to a crude version of the rounded white numerals that – with a couple of gaps in the durene/mesh phase period (71-73)- they wear to this day. Without my notes, in 1948 (I think) the Bears did add a very thin white outline to the orange numbers. The font looks a little thicker than what was worn originally.

    The Bears were NFL Champs in 1941, 1943 and 1946 and also went undefeated in the regular season in 1942 wearing this jersey. So it is a good period to draw from for a throwback.

    As for that #25 sample in the display case? I must say I have never come across that as a Bears jersey.[/quote]
    I’ll echo the comments of others and say that I too believe it is actually an Illinois jersey, from which Halas borrowed the striping pattern (but not the number font) for his club.

  • Frank Mercogliano | April 22, 2010 at 10:46 am |

    Paul, We saw that 10 minute video last year when i sent it to you, but it should always be required watching during the playoffs, so good to see it again.

    Good to know Rob Ullman can get away from creating awesome art for a few minutes to get some Penguins lowdown!

    Frank
    Happy Earth Day Everyone!

  • Garrett | April 22, 2010 at 10:58 am |

    JA Adande reported that Dragic earned his accent with good play. Which explains why my last name is still terribly misspelt at my workplace

  • Ry Co 40 | April 22, 2010 at 11:04 am |

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    ryco40 at gmail dot com

    thanks!

  • The Jeff | April 22, 2010 at 11:04 am |

    [quote comment=”386904″]

    softball tops, quite simply, don’t belong in baseball…whether you find the colors pretty is irrelevant

    [/quote]

    You know, for something that “doesn’t belong in baseball”, they sure seem to be rather popular and widespread. Seriously, the only teams that haven’t worn one within the last 5 years are the Tigers and Dodgers. Even the Yankees, who apparently define what traditional means, have done it. Doesn’t belong in baseball, my foot.

  • Geeman | April 22, 2010 at 11:04 am |

    [quote comment=”386904″][quote comment=”386882″]
    As for the blue vs blue baseball game – I like it. And honestly, it looks to me like just a color shifted version of what we see all the time with white vs gray anyway. It’s not a big deal.[/quote]

    in what universe?

    and you could make the argument that color in baseball (as far as necessity for telling teams apart) is irrelevant (although i can think of a few situations where it’s important)…enough so you will occasionally get matchups like this

    if that’s your cuppa, more power to you

    never in anyone’s arguments against softball tops has the argument against them been because of difficulty in telling the two teams apart (although that in and of itself could probably stand on the merits in the mets/braves case)

    softball tops, quite simply, don’t belong in baseball…whether you find the colors pretty is irrelevant

    and the bluejays shouldn’t be wearing road uniforms at home…PERIOD[/quote]

    “Softball tops” is a perjorative term. You can say you don’t like them, and that’s fine, but there’s nothing wrong in and of itself with having them in baseball. Personally I like to see them worn every third or fourth day, and I am a traditionalist in most respects.

    It’s like saying I don’t like dark pants or all-color uniforms in football. I don’t, but there is nothing wrong with them per se.

  • Geeman | April 22, 2010 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”386910″][quote comment=”386904″][quote comment=”386882″]
    As for the blue vs blue baseball game – I like it. And honestly, it looks to me like just a color shifted version of what we see all the time with white vs gray anyway. It’s not a big deal.[/quote]

    in what universe?

    and you could make the argument that color in baseball (as far as necessity for telling teams apart) is irrelevant (although i can think of a few situations where it’s important)…enough so you will occasionally get matchups like this

    if that’s your cuppa, more power to you

    never in anyone’s arguments against softball tops has the argument against them been because of difficulty in telling the two teams apart (although that in and of itself could probably stand on the merits in the mets/braves case)

    softball tops, quite simply, don’t belong in baseball…whether you find the colors pretty is irrelevant

    and the bluejays shouldn’t be wearing road uniforms at home…PERIOD[/quote]

    “Softball tops” is a perjorative term. You can say you don’t like them, and that’s fine, but there’s nothing wrong in and of itself with having them in baseball. Personally I like to see them worn every third or fourth day, and I am a traditionalist in most respects.

    It’s like saying I don’t like dark pants or all-color uniforms in football. I don’t, but there is nothing wrong with them per se.[/quote]

    That said, yesterday’s Royals-Blue Jays fiasco was just that. And you don’t wear road unis at home, period.

  • Geeman | April 22, 2010 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=”386909″][quote comment=”386904″]

    softball tops, quite simply, don’t belong in baseball…whether you find the colors pretty is irrelevant

    [/quote]

    You know, for something that “doesn’t belong in baseball”, they sure seem to be rather popular and widespread. Seriously, the only teams that haven’t worn one within the last 5 years are the Tigers and Dodgers. Even the Yankees, who apparently define what traditional means, have done it. Doesn’t belong in baseball, my foot.[/quote]

    Actually, the Yankees are the only team, perhaps with the Tigers, that have NEVER done it.

  • The Jeff | April 22, 2010 at 11:13 am |

    [quote comment=”386912″][quote comment=”386909″][quote comment=”386904″]

    softball tops, quite simply, don’t belong in baseball…whether you find the colors pretty is irrelevant

    [/quote]

    You know, for something that “doesn’t belong in baseball”, they sure seem to be rather popular and widespread. Seriously, the only teams that haven’t worn one within the last 5 years are the Tigers and Dodgers. Even the Yankees, who apparently define what traditional means, have done it. Doesn’t belong in baseball, my foot.[/quote]

    Actually, the Yankees are the only team, perhaps with the Tigers, that have NEVER done it.[/quote]

    Oh god dammit. One of these days I’ll learn to freaking READ the words when I’m looking at a page. Sportslogos.net has a 2003-2006 Yankees uniform with a blue jersey – but it’s listed as Practice, not Alternate. Dammit to hell. Ok, so 3 teams haven’t done it recently. Still, that’s a rather small number.

  • JTH | April 22, 2010 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”386905″][quote comment=”386894″]Re-Answering the question for anyone interested in the basis of the Bears scheduled throwbacks that was released to the public yesterday:

    They are based on what was worn from 1941 thru the first couple of games in 1949. Game 3 on in ‘49 they switched to a crude version of the rounded white numerals that – with a couple of gaps in the durene/mesh phase period (71-73)- they wear to this day. Without my notes, in 1948 (I think) the Bears did add a very thin white outline to the orange numbers. The font looks a little thicker than what was worn originally.

    The Bears were NFL Champs in 1941, 1943 and 1946 and also went undefeated in the regular season in 1942 wearing this jersey. So it is a good period to draw from for a throwback.

    As for that #25 sample in the display case? I must say I have never come across that as a Bears jersey.[/quote]
    I’ll echo the comments of others and say that I too believe it is actually an Illinois jersey, from which Halas borrowed the striping pattern (but not the number font) for his club.[/quote]
    I’m really wondering what the hell that jersey is. U of I seems plausible, but why is there what looks to be a circa late-1940s Indians (or possibly Reds) cap next to it?

  • chance michaels | April 22, 2010 at 11:21 am |

    Anybody know where that #25 flickr photo came from? Can’t find it there.

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 11:22 am |

    [quote comment=”386915″]Anybody know where that #25 flickr photo came from? Can’t find it there.[/quote]

    paul posted it yesterday as an example of what the bears should have “thrown back to”

    i’ll ask him where he found it

  • chance michaels | April 22, 2010 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment=”386912″][quote comment=”386909″][quote comment=”386904″]

    softball tops, quite simply, don’t belong in baseball…whether you find the colors pretty is irrelevant

    [/quote]

    You know, for something that “doesn’t belong in baseball”, they sure seem to be rather popular and widespread. Seriously, the only teams that haven’t worn one within the last 5 years are the Tigers and Dodgers. Even the Yankees, who apparently define what traditional means, have done it. Doesn’t belong in baseball, my foot.[/quote]

    Actually, the Yankees are the only team, perhaps with the Tigers, that have NEVER done it.[/quote]

    Actually, the Tigers did wear a navy blue alternate. Briefly. Details here.

  • kyle. | April 22, 2010 at 11:39 am |

    microsoft owns the seattle sports world. the wnba team joins the sounders (xbox360 jerseys) in the jersey world, but the funniest is the seahawks. they recently signed with bing as their official search engine. a friend with the team said google is now off limits.

  • JAson | April 22, 2010 at 11:45 am |

    Ohio State will be wearing pink numbers for the spring game on Saturday, a picture can be found here…

    http://www.ohiostate...

  • dwight | April 22, 2010 at 11:51 am |

    OK folks – this has really been bothering me since the Cards vs. Mets this past weekend. But in the interest of accuracy, should the Cardinals change the bat on the unis to black? NOTE: I AM NOT CONDONING THIS AS A VISUAL IMPROVEMENT – ONLY FOR ACCURACY!!!!

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 12:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”386920″]OK folks – this has really been bothering me since the Cards vs. Mets this past weekend. But in the interest of accuracy, should the Cardinals change the bat on the unis to black? NOTE: I AM NOT CONDONING THIS AS A VISUAL IMPROVEMENT – ONLY FOR ACCURACY!!!![/quote]

    you mean…go back to this, as opposed to the next gen uni that they’ve basically been sporting ever since?

  • Jeff | April 22, 2010 at 12:09 pm |

    MLS Chicago Fire jerseys for Green Day this weekend:

    http://4.bp.blogspot...

    http://1.bp.blogspot...

  • JTH | April 22, 2010 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”386921″][quote comment=”386920″]OK folks – this has really been bothering me since the Cards vs. Mets this past weekend. But in the interest of accuracy, should the Cardinals change the bat on the unis to black? NOTE: I AM NOT CONDONING THIS AS A VISUAL IMPROVEMENT – ONLY FOR ACCURACY!!!![/quote]

    you mean…go back to this, as opposed to the next gen uni that they’ve basically been sporting ever since?[/quote]
    How would that improve accuracy? Because yellow’s not an MLB-approved bat color?

  • Dwayne | April 22, 2010 at 12:20 pm |

    Paul:
    I am surprised you didn’t know about the Jets throwback helmet in 1994. Being a New Yorker, I guessed you would have known that first hand. Too much curling and brisket I guess…

    Oh joy! The Penguins in ANOTHER Winter Classic.

    The NHL having the Penguins in TWC is getting like MLB showing the Yankees/Red Sox/Cardinals games all the time.

    Spread it around. The Maple Leafs and Rangers come to mind for a Winter Classic game before a second Penguins game.

    Everybody is not a Sidney Crosby fan.

  • Graf Zeppelin | April 22, 2010 at 12:28 pm |

    Those Jets throwbacks from 1993 and 94, from the neck down at least, look freakin’ awesome. Note particularly the sleeves and shoulder stripes. Slightly better than what they have now.

  • Ben Fortney | April 22, 2010 at 12:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”386917″]
    Actually, the Tigers did wear a navy blue alternate. Briefly. Details here.[/quote]

    Wow, those are bad.

  • dwight | April 22, 2010 at 12:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”386923″][quote comment=”386921″][quote comment=”386920″]OK folks – this has really been bothering me since the Cards vs. Mets this past weekend. But in the interest of accuracy, should the Cardinals change the bat on the unis to black? NOTE: I AM NOT CONDONING THIS AS A VISUAL IMPROVEMENT – ONLY FOR ACCURACY!!!![/quote]

    you mean…go back to this, as opposed to the next gen uni that they’ve basically been sporting ever since?[/quote]
    How would that improve accuracy? Because yellow’s not an MLB-approved bat color?[/quote]

    Exactly Phil. JTH – I ask b/c SO many players use black, as opposed to the natural wook color that the yellow is supposed to depict. No scientific data – but it seems like a vast majority.

  • dwight | April 22, 2010 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”386927″][quote comment=”386923″][quote comment=”386921″][quote comment=”386920″]OK folks – this has really been bothering me since the Cards vs. Mets this past weekend. But in the interest of accuracy, should the Cardinals change the bat on the unis to black? NOTE: I AM NOT CONDONING THIS AS A VISUAL IMPROVEMENT – ONLY FOR ACCURACY!!!![/quote]

    you mean…go back to this, as opposed to the next gen uni that they’ve basically been sporting ever since?[/quote]
    How would that improve accuracy? Because yellow’s not an MLB-approved bat color?[/quote]

    Exactly Phil. JTH – I ask b/c SO many players use black, as opposed to the natural wook color that the yellow is supposed to depict. No scientific data – but it seems like a vast majority.[/quote]

    That should be WOOD color.

  • scott | April 22, 2010 at 12:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”386909″][quote comment=”386904″]

    softball tops, quite simply, don’t belong in baseball…whether you find the colors pretty is irrelevant

    [/quote]

    You know, for something that “doesn’t belong in baseball”, they sure seem to be rather popular and widespread. Seriously, the only teams that haven’t worn one within the last 5 years are the Tigers and Dodgers. Even the Yankees, who apparently define what traditional means, have done it. Doesn’t belong in baseball, my foot.[/quote]

    I don’t remember the Cardinals or Phillies wearing any uniforms in the last five years in which the jersey didn’t match the pants. Am I forgetting some occasion when they wore softball jerseys?

  • JimV19 | April 22, 2010 at 1:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”386924″]Oh joy! The Penguins in ANOTHER Winter Classic.

    The NHL having the Penguins in TWC is getting like MLB showing the Yankees/Red Sox/Cardinals games all the time.

    Spread it around. The Maple Leafs and Rangers come to mind for a Winter Classic game before a second Penguins game.

    Everybody is not a Sidney Crosby fan.[/quote]

    This will be the 2nd time the Pens have been in a Winter Classic. Ever. The Sox/Yanks are on at least twice a weekend (Fox Saturday, ESPN Sunday) when they play, however many times they play a year, every year. Year in and year out. Ad infinitum. Now, after visiting and hosting a WC, if the Pens are on again next year, then I’ll join you in complaining.

    I’m sure after the Sid/Ovi show, the league will showcase some other teams and places in upcoming years. You know they’re not going to shut out the NY market forever.

    I’m not even a big NHL fan, but I’ll probably watch some of this game depending on the bowls. And as others have said, I think that’s who the networks are going after – people like me or people who care about the NHL even less than I do.

  • Geeman | April 22, 2010 at 1:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”386917″][quote comment=”386912″][quote comment=”386909″][quote comment=”386904″]

    softball tops, quite simply, don’t belong in baseball…whether you find the colors pretty is irrelevant

    [/quote]

    You know, for something that “doesn’t belong in baseball”, they sure seem to be rather popular and widespread. Seriously, the only teams that haven’t worn one within the last 5 years are the Tigers and Dodgers. Even the Yankees, who apparently define what traditional means, have done it. Doesn’t belong in baseball, my foot.[/quote]

    Actually, the Yankees are the only team, perhaps with the Tigers, that have NEVER done it.[/quote]

    Actually, the Tigers did wear a navy blue alternate. Briefly. Details here.[/quote]

    Yes, that’s why I hedged my bat. There’s also that mysterious picture of Cecil Fielder in an orange jersey, but we think that was an exhibition game in Canada.

  • dwight | April 22, 2010 at 1:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”386930″][quote comment=”386924″]Oh joy! The Penguins in ANOTHER Winter Classic.

    The NHL having the Penguins in TWC is getting like MLB showing the Yankees/Red Sox/Cardinals games all the time.

    Spread it around. The Maple Leafs and Rangers come to mind for a Winter Classic game before a second Penguins game.

    Everybody is not a Sidney Crosby fan.[/quote]

    This will be the 2nd time the Pens have been in a Winter Classic. Ever. The Sox/Yanks are on at least twice a weekend (Fox Saturday, ESPN Sunday) when they play, however many times they play a year, every year. Year in and year out. Ad infinitum. Now, after visiting and hosting a WC, if the Pens are on again next year, then I’ll join you in complaining.

    I’m sure after the Sid/Ovi show, the league will showcase some other teams and places in upcoming years. You know they’re not going to shut out the NY market forever.

    I’m not even a big NHL fan, but I’ll probably watch some of this game depending on the bowls. And as others have said, I think that’s who the networks are going after – people like me or people who care about the NHL even less than I do.[/quote]

    Not to mention that the Mets, who are on ESPN Sunday, Monday, AND Tuesday next week.

  • ASM | April 22, 2010 at 1:14 pm |

    More importantly from the Jays/Royals game….
    Alex Gordon went high cuffed again. I think this is like the third game in a row.

    http://scores.espn.g...

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”386932″][quote comment=”386930″][quote comment=”386924″]Oh joy! The Penguins in ANOTHER Winter Classic.

    The NHL having the Penguins in TWC is getting like MLB showing the Yankees/Red Sox/Cardinals games all the time.

    Spread it around. The Maple Leafs and Rangers come to mind for a Winter Classic game before a second Penguins game.

    Everybody is not a Sidney Crosby fan.[/quote]

    This will be the 2nd time the Pens have been in a Winter Classic. Ever. The Sox/Yanks are on at least twice a weekend (Fox Saturday, ESPN Sunday) when they play, however many times they play a year, every year. Year in and year out. Ad infinitum. Now, after visiting and hosting a WC, if the Pens are on again next year, then I’ll join you in complaining.

    I’m sure after the Sid/Ovi show, the league will showcase some other teams and places in upcoming years. You know they’re not going to shut out the NY market forever.

    I’m not even a big NHL fan, but I’ll probably watch some of this game depending on the bowls. And as others have said, I think that’s who the networks are going after – people like me or people who care about the NHL even less than I do.[/quote]

    Not to mention that the Mets, who are on ESPN Sunday, Monday, AND Tuesday next week.[/quote]

    i’ll join you in your complaint about the yankmeesawks…even the mets

    but there is no way the pens, not even one of the orig. six, should get another WC invite until the rangers (who i hate, btw, so i’m NOT lobbying for), toronto & montreal are in at least once

    and you should put an OUTDOOR game in minnesota…before considering anything south of the mason-dixon line, or even cities where the wx might not cooperate (and that includes pittsburgh and ny)

  • NickW | April 22, 2010 at 1:25 pm |

    Cardinals to my knowledge have never worn a softball top. Definitely not in the last 5 years.

    I’m on board with switching the bat back to black, but that is not the biggest inconsistency. CARDINALS HAVE RED BEAKS. This is all over the sports world and drives me bananas.

    At least my official Tom Pagnozzi jersey from 98 sports some awesome chain stitched red-beaked cardinals.

  • Mike Engle | April 22, 2010 at 1:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”386933″]More importantly from the Jays/Royals game….
    Alex Gordon went high cuffed again. I think this is like the third game in a row.

    http://scores.espn.g...
    I think Alex Gordon has already been on the record for liking the look and vowing to keep it for the year.

  • FormerDirtDart | April 22, 2010 at 1:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”386932″][quote comment=”386930″][quote comment=”386924″]Oh joy! The Penguins in ANOTHER Winter Classic.

    The NHL having the Penguins in TWC is getting like MLB showing the Yankees/Red Sox/Cardinals games all the time.

    Spread it around. The Maple Leafs and Rangers come to mind for a Winter Classic game before a second Penguins game.

    Everybody is not a Sidney Crosby fan.[/quote]

    This will be the 2nd time the Pens have been in a Winter Classic. Ever. The Sox/Yanks are on at least twice a weekend (Fox Saturday, ESPN Sunday) when they play, however many times they play a year, every year. Year in and year out. Ad infinitum. Now, after visiting and hosting a WC, if the Pens are on again next year, then I’ll join you in complaining.

    I’m sure after the Sid/Ovi show, the league will showcase some other teams and places in upcoming years. You know they’re not going to shut out the NY market forever.

    I’m not even a big NHL fan, but I’ll probably watch some of this game depending on the bowls. And as others have said, I think that’s who the networks are going after – people like me or people who care about the NHL even less than I do.[/quote]

    Not to mention that the Mets, who are on ESPN Sunday, Monday, AND Tuesday next week.[/quote]
    Hey hey…lets not be convincing the powers that be to show less of the Mets. Living in Northern Florida my chances to catch the Mets are somewhat limited. As it is, I get to see them play the marlins from time to time. But, half of the times they are scheduled to be shown on FSN, or SUN, I some how wind up local high school girls soccer. So, cut me some slack here

  • JimV19 | April 22, 2010 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”386934″]i’ll join you in your complaint about the yankmeesawks…even the mets

    but there is no way the pens, not even one of the orig. six, should get another WC invite until the rangers (who i hate, btw, so i’m NOT lobbying for), toronto & montreal are in at least once

    and you should put an OUTDOOR game in minnesota…before considering anything south of the mason-dixon line, or even cities where the wx might not cooperate (and that includes pittsburgh and ny)[/quote]

    I disagree with nothing here. But I can see the reasoning behind this move.

    For one thing, while Minnesota’s a better hockey state than Pennsylvania, I think PA’s a better NHL state then MN.

    For another, the choice of Pittsburgh seems safe weather-wise. Even if there’s no snow, it’s one of the cloudiest cities in America. I don’t see any worries about melting ice on a warm sunny day.

    I think Minnesota should get it, too. I hope they do before Jerry Jones muscles everyone into choosing Dallas.

  • denverbuckeye | April 22, 2010 at 1:35 pm |

    Hopefully the Rockies’ KSM patch will enable them to sideline their softball uni’s for the remainder of the season.

  • JimV19 | April 22, 2010 at 1:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”386935″]I’m on board with switching the bat back to black, but that is not the biggest inconsistency. CARDINALS HAVE RED BEAKS. This is all over the sports world and drives me bananas.[/quote]

    Depends on the lighting:
    http://www.netstate....
    Sometimes they look orange:
    http://www.cardinall...
    Other times they look flesh-colored:
    http://1.bp.blogspot...
    http://farm4.static....

  • dwight | April 22, 2010 at 1:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”386935″]Cardinals to my knowledge have never worn a softball top. Definitely not in the last 5 years.

    I’m on board with switching the bat back to black, but that is not the biggest inconsistency. CARDINALS HAVE RED BEAKS. This is all over the sports world and drives me bananas.

    At least my official Tom Pagnozzi jersey from 98 sports some awesome chain stitched red-beaked cardinals.[/quote]

    I seem to recall the Cards wearing a red top, maybe in ’98 during the last day vs. the Cubs. not 100%, but I seem to recall a red vs. blue day.

  • JimV19 | April 22, 2010 at 1:37 pm |

    Even though this beak’s not accurate, I like this logo I saw on the Fleer Sticker Project:
    http://2.bp.blogspot...
    At least they didn’t put teeth on him…

  • JimV19 | April 22, 2010 at 1:39 pm |

    65 teams is one too many, but 68 teams sure beats 96:
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • JTH | April 22, 2010 at 1:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”386935″]Cardinals to my knowledge have never worn a softball top. Definitely not in the last 5 years.[/quote]
    At least once. It was 11 years ago.

    As far as teams currently without any kind of alternate uni, is this the complete list?

    Yankees
    Tigers
    Dodgers

  • JTH | April 22, 2010 at 2:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”386944″][quote comment=”386935″]Cardinals to my knowledge have never worn a softball top. Definitely not in the last 5 years.[/quote]
    At least once. It was 11 years ago.

    As far as teams currently without any kind of alternate uni, is this the complete list?

    Yankees
    Tigers
    Dodgers[/quote]
    Wait. Dwight might be on to something here. Labor Day, 1999 for the red Cards jerseys doesn’t seem right. That was a road game.

    Last game of the year vs. the Cubs seems more likely — the charity auction could have been tied into some kind of fan appreciation day type of thing.

  • Chance Michaels | April 22, 2010 at 2:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”386944″][quote comment=”386935″]Cardinals to my knowledge have never worn a softball top. Definitely not in the last 5 years.[/quote]
    At least once. It was 11 years ago.

    As far as teams currently without any kind of alternate uni, is this the complete list?

    Yankees
    Tigers
    Dodgers[/quote]

    Don’t forget the Cardinals.

  • JTH | April 22, 2010 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”386946″][quote comment=”386944″][quote comment=”386935″]Cardinals to my knowledge have never worn a softball top. Definitely not in the last 5 years.[/quote]
    At least once. It was 11 years ago.

    As far as teams currently without any kind of alternate uni, is this the complete list?

    Yankees
    Tigers
    Dodgers[/quote]

    Don’t forget the Cardinals.[/quote]
    They wear the Sunday home alt caps.

  • Geeman | April 22, 2010 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”386943″]65 teams is one too many, but 68 teams sure beats 96:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Wow, what a relief. I would have given up on college basketball if they had gone to 96.

  • Geeman | April 22, 2010 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”386941″][quote comment=”386935″]Cardinals to my knowledge have never worn a softball top. Definitely not in the last 5 years.

    I’m on board with switching the bat back to black, but that is not the biggest inconsistency. CARDINALS HAVE RED BEAKS. This is all over the sports world and drives me bananas.

    At least my official Tom Pagnozzi jersey from 98 sports some awesome chain stitched red-beaked cardinals.[/quote]

    I seem to recall the Cards wearing a red top, maybe in ’98 during the last day vs. the Cubs. not 100%, but I seem to recall a red vs. blue day.[/quote]

    I think ’98 it was, because it was the year Mac hit 70.

  • Chance Michaels | April 22, 2010 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”386947″][quote comment=”386946″][quote comment=”386944″][quote comment=”386935″]Cardinals to my knowledge have never worn a softball top. Definitely not in the last 5 years.[/quote]
    At least once. It was 11 years ago.

    As far as teams currently without any kind of alternate uni, is this the complete list?

    Yankees
    Tigers
    Dodgers[/quote]

    Don’t forget the Cardinals.[/quote]
    They wear the Sunday home alt caps.[/quote]
    You’re right – I was thinking only of jerseys.

    So would the Tigers be disqualified for their home-and-road caps?

    Other than that, the list looks good. Only the Yankees, Dodgers and Tigers abstain from the alternate-merchandise craze.

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 2:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”386950″] Only the Yankees, Dodgers and Tigers abstain from the alternate-merchandise craze.[/quote]

    and if we had a short list of best unis in baseball…

    also…is it any wonder they’ve stuck with their traditional looks for so long?

    exactly

  • Geeman | April 22, 2010 at 2:21 pm |

    The Red Sox, Angels, White Sox, Cubs, and Braves have some pretty good unis.

    I like the Cards’ and Tigers’ home and road caps, and their tradition with them goes a long way back.

  • Mike Engle | April 22, 2010 at 2:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”386950″][quote comment=”386947″][quote comment=”386946″][quote comment=”386944″][quote comment=”386935″]Cardinals to my knowledge have never worn a softball top. Definitely not in the last 5 years.[/quote]
    At least once. It was 11 years ago.

    As far as teams currently without any kind of alternate uni, is this the complete list?

    Yankees
    Tigers
    Dodgers[/quote]

    Don’t forget the Cardinals.[/quote]
    They wear the Sunday home alt caps.[/quote]
    You’re right – I was thinking only of jerseys.

    So would the Tigers be disqualified for their home-and-road caps?

    Other than that, the list looks good. Only the Yankees, Dodgers and Tigers abstain from the alternate-merchandise craze.[/quote]
    Oh, the Yankees have plenty of alternate merchandise to go around.
    (I know what you mean, you mean they abstain from alternate ON-FIELD looks and merchandise.)

  • JTH | April 22, 2010 at 2:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”386950″]So would the Tigers be disqualified for their home-and-road caps?[/quote]
    I thought about that, but they stick with the orange D on the road and the white one at home so there really are only two uniforms that they wear. I guess there is always the option to mix and match but to my knowledge, they never do it (outside of spring training).

  • JTH | April 22, 2010 at 2:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”386952″]The Red Sox, Angels, White Sox, Cubs, and Braves have some pretty good unis.[/quote]
    Yeah, it’s just unfortunate when they choose not to wear them.

  • Mike Engle | April 22, 2010 at 2:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”386954″][quote comment=”386950″]So would the Tigers be disqualified for their home-and-road caps?[/quote]
    I thought about that, but they stick with the orange D on the road and the white one at home so there really are only two uniforms that they wear. I guess there is always the option to mix and match but to my knowledge, they never do it (outside of spring training).[/quote]
    It’s not a mix and match. Spring Training, everybody gets the white D all the time because it’s half the gear to transport. Regular season, white D at home, orange D on the road, end of story, case closed.

  • Jeremy | April 22, 2010 at 2:40 pm |

    Northwestern-Illinois at Wrigley Field is now official. Interesting quote “One of the end zones is going to be very, very tight.” http://sports.espn.g...

  • JTH | April 22, 2010 at 2:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”386956″][quote comment=”386954″][quote comment=”386950″]So would the Tigers be disqualified for their home-and-road caps?[/quote]
    I thought about that, but they stick with the orange D on the road and the white one at home so there really are only two uniforms that they wear. I guess there is always the option to mix and match but to my knowledge, they never do it (outside of spring training).[/quote]
    It’s not a mix and match. Spring Training, everybody gets the white D all the time because it’s half the gear to transport. Regular season, white D at home, orange D on the road, end of story, case closed.[/quote]
    Y’know, the only reason I put that in there is because if I had just said that they don’t do the mix & match thing, some nitpicking bastard would have pointed out that they wear the white D with the road unis in spring training.

    Damned if you do…

    Pass the beer nuts.

  • Ricko | April 22, 2010 at 2:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”386957″]Northwestern-Illinois at Wrigley Field is now official. Interesting quote “One of the end zones is going to be very, very tight.” http://sports.espn.g...

    Tight end zone at Wrigley? Not exactly a big frickin’ discovery to anyone who watched the Bears play there, or has bothered to watch NFL Films productions over the years.

    —Ricko

  • concealed78 | April 22, 2010 at 2:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”386928″][quote comment=”386927″][quote comment=”386923″][quote comment=”386921″][quote comment=”386920″]OK folks – this has really been bothering me since the Cards vs. Mets this past weekend. But in the interest of accuracy, should the Cardinals change the bat on the unis to black? NOTE: I AM NOT CONDONING THIS AS A VISUAL IMPROVEMENT – ONLY FOR ACCURACY!!!![/quote]

    you mean…go back to this, as opposed to the next gen uni that they’ve basically been sporting ever since?[/quote]
    How would that improve accuracy? Because yellow’s not an MLB-approved bat color?[/quote]

    Exactly Phil. JTH – I ask b/c SO many players use black, as opposed to the natural wook color that the yellow is supposed to depict. No scientific data – but it seems like a vast majority.[/quote]

    That should be WOOD color.[/quote]

    Would this really be an improvement over the yellow? Technically bats aren’t this long. Idea of roughly two shades of wood brown:

    http://img80.imagesh...

  • JTH | April 22, 2010 at 2:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”386959″][quote comment=”386957″]Northwestern-Illinois at Wrigley Field is now official. Interesting quote “One of the end zones is going to be very, very tight.” http://sports.espn.g...

    Tight end zone at Wrigley? Not exactly a big frickin’ discovery to anyone who watched the Bears play there, or has bothered to watch NFL Films productions over the years.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Hopfully, the photographers will at least stay out of the way.

  • Hott Rodd | April 22, 2010 at 3:02 pm |

    Cards news is the third jersey paul mentioned back on Feb 22. Knowing the cards, it’ll probably be black.

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 3:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”386960″]
    Would this really be an improvement over the yellow? Technically bats aren’t this long. Idea of roughly two shades of wood brown:

    http://img80.imagesh...

    i like it

    don’t know that it needs any change, but i do like it

  • dwight | April 22, 2010 at 3:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”386963″][quote comment=”386960″]
    Would this really be an improvement over the yellow? Technically bats aren’t this long. Idea of roughly two shades of wood brown:

    http://img80.imagesh...

    i like it

    don’t know that it needs any change, but i do like it[/quote]

    That’s beautiful. And I’m with Phil, not sure about the NEED, but it would be nice. Still isn’t accurate based on what is actually used by players today, but I’d vote for it!

  • JTH | April 22, 2010 at 3:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”386964″][quote comment=”386963″][quote comment=”386960″]
    Would this really be an improvement over the yellow? Technically bats aren’t this long. Idea of roughly two shades of wood brown:

    http://img80.imagesh...

    i like it

    don’t know that it needs any change, but i do like it[/quote]

    That’s beautiful. And I’m with Phil, not sure about the NEED, but it would be nice. Still isn’t accurate based on what is actually used by players today, but I’d vote for it![/quote]
    I wonder how that would look if it was chain-stitched.

  • Jet | April 22, 2010 at 3:27 pm |

    Some great stuff from that 1953 hockey film: how about that “analog” clock on the scoreboard? And what’s up with the socks on both teams in the segment about Jean Beliveau playing for Quebec in the Junior League? Bizarre hose, the fronts are a different color from the backs. Never seen a design like that, except for perhaps some of the modern idiotic “half-stripes” on teams like Calgary, Anaheim, etc.

    -Jet

  • JimWa | April 22, 2010 at 3:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”386949″][quote comment=”386941″][quote comment=”386935″]Cardinals to my knowledge have never worn a softball top. Definitely not in the last 5 years.

    I’m on board with switching the bat back to black, but that is not the biggest inconsistency. CARDINALS HAVE RED BEAKS. This is all over the sports world and drives me bananas.

    At least my official Tom Pagnozzi jersey from 98 sports some awesome chain stitched red-beaked cardinals.[/quote]

    I seem to recall the Cards wearing a red top, maybe in ’98 during the last day vs. the Cubs. not 100%, but I seem to recall a red vs. blue day.[/quote]

    I think ’98 it was, because it was the year Mac hit 70.[/quote]

    Deadbirds finished the season at home, but it was against Montreal (who knew Montreal even has a baseball team?!?!?!). I was at the “#62 game” against Sammy & the Cubs on 9/8/98 … didn’t think they’d play two series so close to each other – that kind of thing is usually reserved for just the Red Sox and Yankees.

  • dwight | April 22, 2010 at 3:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”386967″][quote comment=”386949″][quote comment=”386941″][quote comment=”386935″]Cardinals to my knowledge have never worn a softball top. Definitely not in the last 5 years.

    I’m on board with switching the bat back to black, but that is not the biggest inconsistency. CARDINALS HAVE RED BEAKS. This is all over the sports world and drives me bananas.

    At least my official Tom Pagnozzi jersey from 98 sports some awesome chain stitched red-beaked cardinals.[/quote]

    I seem to recall the Cards wearing a red top, maybe in ’98 during the last day vs. the Cubs. not 100%, but I seem to recall a red vs. blue day.[/quote]

    I think ’98 it was, because it was the year Mac hit 70.[/quote]

    Deadbirds finished the season at home, but it was against Montreal (who knew Montreal even has a baseball team?!?!?!). I was at the “#62 game” against Sammy & the Cubs on 9/8/98 … didn’t think they’d play two series so close to each other – that kind of thing is usually reserved for just the Red Sox and Yankees.[/quote]

    It may have been ’99 then – b/c your right, Geeman, they did finish against the Expos, and Mac hit #70 that day right?

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 4:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”386968″]
    It may have been ’99 then – b/c your right, Geeman, they did finish against the Expos, and Mac hit #70 that day right?[/quote]

    didn’t he hit like 4 in the last two days of the season (and wasn’t he tied with sosa at 66 going into that series?)

  • JTH | April 22, 2010 at 4:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”386968″][quote comment=”386967″][quote comment=”386949″][quote comment=”386941″][quote comment=”386935″]Cardinals to my knowledge have never worn a softball top. Definitely not in the last 5 years.

    I’m on board with switching the bat back to black, but that is not the biggest inconsistency. CARDINALS HAVE RED BEAKS. This is all over the sports world and drives me bananas.

    At least my official Tom Pagnozzi jersey from 98 sports some awesome chain stitched red-beaked cardinals.[/quote]

    I seem to recall the Cards wearing a red top, maybe in ’98 during the last day vs. the Cubs. not 100%, but I seem to recall a red vs. blue day.[/quote]

    I think ’98 it was, because it was the year Mac hit 70.[/quote]

    Deadbirds finished the season at home, but it was against Montreal (who knew Montreal even has a baseball team?!?!?!). I was at the “#62 game” against Sammy & the Cubs on 9/8/98 … didn’t think they’d play two series so close to each other – that kind of thing is usually reserved for just the Red Sox and Yankees.[/quote]

    It may have been ’99 then – b/c your right, Geeman, they did finish against the Expos, and Mac hit #70 that day right?[/quote]
    Uh, did you guys even look at the pic I linked from the Bill Henderson book? Labor Day is probably wrong, but the sleeve patch clearly says 1999.

  • JimWa | April 22, 2010 at 4:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”386970″][quote]
    Uh, did you guys even look at the pic I linked from the Bill Henderson book? Labor Day is probably wrong, but the sleeve patch clearly says 1999.[/quote]

    Pretty sure my point was that it WASN’T in 1998. I could have used your point, but then I wouldn’t have had to opportunity to share that I was in the Busch II outfield seats when the orginal 62nd home run was hit!

  • Chance Michaels | April 22, 2010 at 4:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”386961″][quote comment=”386959″][quote comment=”386957″]Northwestern-Illinois at Wrigley Field is now official. Interesting quote “One of the end zones is going to be very, very tight.” http://sports.espn.g...

    Tight end zone at Wrigley? Not exactly a big frickin’ discovery to anyone who watched the Bears play there, or has bothered to watch NFL Films productions over the years.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Hopfully, the photographers will at least stay out of the way.[/quote]

    Nice photo.

    Some pretty tight corners.

  • howard | April 22, 2010 at 5:01 pm |

    So Dave Bing is sponsoring a WNBA team. You would have thought he would sponsor the Detroit team since he is the mayor.

  • T.J. | April 22, 2010 at 5:16 pm |

    Random note about the Royals’ unis, I don’t know if this has come up before but I am fairly certain that their numbers for the royal blue jersey are constituted from an “outline” cut digit, the strokes are too wide compared to the standard MLB block they use on everything. Any proof or discussion to spur from this?

  • Ricko | April 22, 2010 at 5:33 pm |

    Just thought of something.

    If there’a a lockout of any kind that costs the NFL any games in 2011…

    And the Mayans (and others) are right and the world ends in December 2012…

    Then 2010 would be the last full NFL season.
    Ever.

    So buy season tickets this year, I guess.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | April 22, 2010 at 5:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”386976″]Just thought of something.

    If there’a a lockout of any kind that costs the NFL any games in 2011…

    And the Mayans (and others) are right and the world ends in December 2012…

    Then 2010 would be the last full NFL season.
    Ever.

    So buy season tickets this year, I guess.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Shit, I’m counting on the lockout to bump me up to the top of the waiting list.

  • joe | April 22, 2010 at 5:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”386957″]Northwestern-Illinois at Wrigley Field is now official. Interesting quote “One of the end zones is going to be very, very tight.” http://sports.espn.g...
    why is that interesting, it was tight when the bears played there. They added more seats, it’ll be even tighter. One of the endzones ran into the 1st base dugout back then and they have a platform to make the not fall into the dugout. the outfield side ran right out the the wall.

  • Collin | April 22, 2010 at 5:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”386973″]So Dave Bing is sponsoring a WNBA team. You would have thought he would sponsor the Detroit team since he is the mayor.[/quote]

    If detroit still had a WNBA team…

  • Ben Fortney | April 22, 2010 at 5:53 pm |

    Paul had mentioned Johnny Damon’s white cleats yesterday, could possibly be for the Wounded Warrior Project to support returning vets, which JD is National Spokesman for.

    A lot of stars are also involved; Pujols, Jeter, Lincecum, Longoria, etc. Full story here.

  • MNH | April 22, 2010 at 5:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”386969″][quote comment=”386968″]
    It may have been ’99 then – b/c your right, Geeman, they did finish against the Expos, and Mac hit #70 that day right?[/quote]

    didn’t he hit like 4 in the last two days of the season (and wasn’t he tied with sosa at 66 going into that series?)[/quote]
    I’m not 100% sure, but he might have been on something.

  • Ben Fortney | April 22, 2010 at 6:01 pm |

    So, with the inclusion of the hideous navy Tigers jersey, the “Think Blue” Dodgers jersey, and the solid red Cards jersey, it’s just the Yankees that have never worn a solid color jersey.

    Well, not in the last century, anyhow.

  • Ryan B | April 22, 2010 at 7:08 pm |

    Red Sox wearing Earth Day patch on the left sleeve tonight. I think it’s the same one from a couple years ago, with the “hanging sox” logo inside the recycle emblem.

    Rangers wearing the solid blues again.

  • BurghFan | April 22, 2010 at 7:13 pm |

    Tight end zone at Wrigley? Not exactly a big frickin’ discovery to anyone who watched the Bears play there, or has bothered to watch NFL Films productions over the years.

    Probably fewer people than remember the NHL’s Original Six, and that group’s not big enough to plan the Winter Classic around.

  • Skycat | April 22, 2010 at 7:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”386982″]So, with the inclusion of the hideous navy Tigers jersey, the “Think Blue” Dodgers jersey, and the solid red Cards jersey, it’s just the Yankees that have never worn a solid color jersey.

    Well, not in the last century, anyhow.[/quote]
    Actually, they were the Highlanders at that time.

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 7:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”386985″][quote comment=”386982″]So, with the inclusion of the hideous navy Tigers jersey, the “Think Blue” Dodgers jersey, and the solid red Cards jersey, it’s just the Yankees that have never worn a solid color jersey.

    Well, not in the last century, anyhow.[/quote]
    Actually, they were the Highlanders at that time.[/quote]

    and it wasnt a softball jersey

    it was an actual, ya know…uniform

    and i wouldn’t have a problem if someone wanted to do this again…i just have a problem with the mismatched top and bottom

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 7:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”386986″][quote comment=”386985″][quote comment=”386982″]So, with the inclusion of the hideous navy Tigers jersey, the “Think Blue” Dodgers jersey, and the solid red Cards jersey, it’s just the Yankees that have never worn a solid color jersey.

    Well, not in the last century, anyhow.[/quote]
    Actually, they were the Highlanders at that time.[/quote]

    and it wasnt a softball jersey

    it was an actual, ya know…uniform

    and i wouldn’t have a problem if someone wanted to do this* again…i just have a problem with the mismatched top and bottom[/quote]

    *just get rups that aren’t the same color

  • Ricko | April 22, 2010 at 7:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”386984″]Tight end zone at Wrigley? Not exactly a big frickin’ discovery to anyone who watched the Bears play there, or has bothered to watch NFL Films productions over the years.

    Probably fewer people than remember the NHL’s Original Six, and that group’s not big enough to plan the Winter Classic around.[/quote]

    Yup, and people still have to learn to take the Canadian teams out of the mix, too. At least for a while, anyway. It’s a U.S. show, aimed at U.S. fans in U.S. TV markets.

    As much as Toronto or Montreal might make sense to NHL fans, NBC and the NHL would be shooting themselves in the foot to reduce the number of U.S. “home” markets involved in the telecast by 50 percent.

    —Ricko

  • Komet17 | April 22, 2010 at 7:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”386948″][quote comment=”386943″]65 teams is one too many, but 68 teams sure beats 96:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Wow, what a relief. I would have given up on college basketball if they had gone to 96.[/quote]

    I think they should put every team (all 347) in the tournament–like the Indiana high school basketball tournament used to be. The tournament would take four weekends, plus a “play-in” round prior to the start of the first round. Eliminate the conference tournaments (meangingless, anyway) and you don’t add any time to the season:

    Divide the nation into four geographic regions, each with 86-87 teams.

    Tuesday before the first round: 91 games to get the field down from 347 to 256. Games hosted by higher seed.

    First weekend: Two rounds to get the field to 128, then 64. Games played at 32 sites (8 per region).

    Second weekend: Two rounds to get the field to 32, then 16. Games played at 8 sites (2 per region).

    Third weekend: Two rounds to get the field to 4. Four regional sites.

    Fourth weekend: Final four.

  • Lincoln | April 22, 2010 at 7:58 pm |

    I mentioned this in the comments a while ago, but now there is visual evidence – Mariners’ pitcher Ryan Rowland-Smith’s glove with his name in Japanese:

  • Mike Engle | April 22, 2010 at 8:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”386989″][quote comment=”386948″][quote comment=”386943″]65 teams is one too many, but 68 teams sure beats 96:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Wow, what a relief. I would have given up on college basketball if they had gone to 96.[/quote]

    I think they should put every team (all 347) in the tournament–like the Indiana high school basketball tournament used to be. The tournament would take four weekends, plus a “play-in” round prior to the start of the first round. Eliminate the conference tournaments (meangingless, anyway) and you don’t add any time to the season:

    Divide the nation into four geographic regions, each with 86-87 teams.

    Tuesday before the first round: 91 games to get the field down from 347 to 256. Games hosted by higher seed.

    First weekend: Two rounds to get the field to 128, then 64. Games played at 32 sites (8 per region).

    Second weekend: Two rounds to get the field to 32, then 16. Games played at 8 sites (2 per region).

    Third weekend: Two rounds to get the field to 4. Four regional sites.

    Fourth weekend: Final four.[/quote]
    Nah, 68 is perfect. If you’re going to have one “opening round” game, might as well have four so it really feels like a “round.” Aside from that, nothing changes. Because those three extra slots aren’t going to “major” schools on the bubble, they’ll go to #16’s and #16-A’s so they can play their games and have a chance to win one before they get clobbered by the #1.

  • AP | April 22, 2010 at 8:08 pm |

    Black alts for the Cardinals.

  • Collin | April 22, 2010 at 8:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”386992″]Black alts for the Cardinals.[/quote]

    http://tweetphoto.co...

  • Ben Fortney | April 22, 2010 at 8:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”386992″]Black alts for the Cardinals.[/quote]

    Looks like the Falcons.

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 8:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”386992″]Black alts for the Cardinals.[/quote]

    all black (as in monochrome)???

    /there’s a BFS (big fuckin shock)

  • Ben Fortney | April 22, 2010 at 8:27 pm |

    According to the Word From the Birds Blog on the AZ site, the black alts are what “most fans have been clamoring for for years”

    Really? Must be the desert heat.

  • A3 | April 22, 2010 at 8:33 pm |

    Larry Fitzgerald and the new Arizona Cardinals jersey!!

    http://tweetphoto.co...

  • JimWa | April 22, 2010 at 8:42 pm |

    ok … if you’ve waited THIS long … why not use the #1 draft pick to be the one to show it off for the first time???

  • pflava | April 22, 2010 at 8:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”386997″]Larry Fitzgerald and the new Arizona Cardinals jersey!!

    http://tweetphoto.co...

    Sweet Jesus!

  • Ricko | April 22, 2010 at 8:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”386996″]According to the Word From the Birds Blog on the AZ site, the black alts are what “most fans have been clamoring for for years”

    Really? Must be the desert heat.[/quote]

    Stop! No! The originality! The inventiveness! uniqueness of thought! The groundbreaking vision of the concept! The daring non-conformity! It’s just too much! Not to mention the shock of it.

    Can’t believe ESPN didn’t cut away from their draft coverage to cover such groundbreaking news.

    Arizona fans must be SO proud. Such determination to not stand out is pretty damn impressive.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 8:49 pm |

    who wants to bet they have this planned for at least one game?

  • Ricko | April 22, 2010 at 8:50 pm |

    Come to think of it, isn’t much of a surprise. So many people wear black in Phoenix in the summer.

    (Jeez, the think NUNS wear seersucker in Phoenix in the summer).

  • pflava | April 22, 2010 at 8:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”387001″]who wants to bet they have this planned for at least one game?[/quote]

    I hope it’s against the Falcons.

  • Ricko | April 22, 2010 at 8:56 pm |

    Assignment for first person who says, “Well, there’s black in the Cardinals’ helmet logo”:

    Look up definition of “rationalize”.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | April 22, 2010 at 9:09 pm |

    Actually, this makes perfect sense. Cards got their nickname from their jerseys. They played in comiskey park for years. They go with black jerseys about 90 years after joining the NFL…

    See where I’m going with this?

  • The Jeff | April 22, 2010 at 9:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”387004″]Assignment for first person who says, “Well, there’s black in the Cardinals’ helmet logo”:

    Look up definition of “rationalize”.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Well, if you’re the Cardinals and you want an alternate, you’re kinda stuck with either black or using a throwback. And if they use a throwback they’ll just get people whining that they should switch back to it full time. (just look at the reaction to the Bills and Vikings) So… despite looking way too much like the Falcons and not really making any sense, black it is.

  • Dan | April 22, 2010 at 9:14 pm |

    Sad about the Arizona Cardinals jerseys. Even sadder that some of the reaction on the team website seems to want black helmets. Personally, I think the white is pretty classy, and goes with anything. Now, it’s just like I’m watching the Falcons West.

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 9:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”387006″][quote comment=”387004″]Assignment for first person who says, “Well, there’s black in the Cardinals’ helmet logo”:

    Look up definition of “rationalize”.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Well, if you’re the Cardinals and you want an alternate, you’re kinda stuck with either black or using a throwback. And if they use a throwback they’ll just get people whining that they should switch back to it full time. (just look at the reaction to the Bills and Vikings) So… despite looking way too much like the Falcons and not really making any sense, black it is.[/quote]

    you did, of course, overlook one other option

  • The Jeff | April 22, 2010 at 9:17 pm |
  • The Jeff | April 22, 2010 at 9:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”387008″][quote comment=”387006″][quote comment=”387004″]Assignment for first person who says, “Well, there’s black in the Cardinals’ helmet logo”:

    Look up definition of “rationalize”.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Well, if you’re the Cardinals and you want an alternate, you’re kinda stuck with either black or using a throwback. And if they use a throwback they’ll just get people whining that they should switch back to it full time. (just look at the reaction to the Bills and Vikings) So… despite looking way too much like the Falcons and not really making any sense, black it is.[/quote]

    you did, of course, overlook one other option[/quote]

    The flag jersey is not an option. NFL teams don’t use fan submissions.

  • Marcus Hall from Baltimore | April 22, 2010 at 9:21 pm |

    Cardinals DO have a little bit of black on them….

  • Marcus Hall from Baltimore | April 22, 2010 at 9:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”387011″]Cardinals DO have a little bit of black on them….[/quote]

  • scott | April 22, 2010 at 9:27 pm |

    At least in the NFL alt uniforms really are used sparingly, and virtually never in the playoffs – unlike in baseball, where teams like the White Sox, Rangers, Rockies and Astros don’t seem to know that they should be wearing white and gray jerseys most of the time.

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 9:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”387010″]
    The flag jersey is not an option. NFL teams don’t use fan submissions.[/quote]

    nope…but you’re getting closer

  • Kyle H | April 22, 2010 at 9:40 pm |

    Did any other NFL introduce or redesign a logo or jersey so far this off season?

  • Tony Miller | April 22, 2010 at 9:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”386989″]
    I think they should put every team (all 347) in the tournament–like the Indiana high school basketball tournament used to be.[/quote]

    It’s still everyone in the tournament, except it’s not one tournament anymore.

    I have no further comment on the matter.

  • Dan | April 22, 2010 at 9:51 pm |

    [quote comment=\”387013\”]At least in the NFL alt uniforms really are used sparingly, and virtually never in the playoffs – unlike in baseball, where teams like the White Sox, Rangers, Rockies and Astros don\’t seem to know that they should be wearing white and gray jerseys most of the time.[/quote]

    I tend to think the Astros forget they have gray jerseys. They should change back to the shooting star uniforms they wore a few games ago, and get the H star logo back on the hat,and go back to the navy and orange. Half the teams in the league seem like they have red as the primary color. That it\’s \”brick\” hardly makes them unique. Heck, games where they play the Diamondbacks sometimes look like intrasquad games.

  • Ben Fortney | April 22, 2010 at 10:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”387014″][quote comment=”387010″]
    The flag jersey is not an option. NFL teams don’t use fan submissions.[/quote]

    nope…but you’re getting closer[/quote]

    What are you thinking Phil, Birds on Ball?

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 10:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”387018″][quote comment=”387014″][quote comment=”387010″]
    The flag jersey is not an option. NFL teams don’t use fan submissions.[/quote]

    nope…but you’re getting closer[/quote]

    What are you thinking Phil, Birds on Ball?[/quote]

    i like that better…but still no

  • Ben Fortney | April 22, 2010 at 10:24 pm |

    Wikipedia’s already got the black uni up for AZ, and they have this, which I swear I’d never seen, until just now.

  • Ricko | April 22, 2010 at 10:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”387020″]Wikipedia’s already got the black uni up for AZ, and they have this, which I swear I’d never seen, until just now.[/quote]

    Original version of that goes back a LONG way.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    I think the real discussion with the Cardinals’ black jerseys has two issues.
    1) Since when will a team just DIE if they don’t have an alt jersey?
    2) The almost stupifying celebration of a collossally unoriginal “us, too”.

    —Ricko

  • JimWa | April 22, 2010 at 10:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”387021″][quote comment=”387020″]Wikipedia’s already got the black uni up for AZ, and they have this, which I swear I’d never seen, until just now.[/quote]

    Original version of that goes back a LONG way.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    I think the real discussion with the Cardinals’ black jerseys has two issues.
    1) Since when will a team just DIE if they don’t have an alt jersey?
    2) The almost stupifying celebration of a collossally unoriginal “us, too”.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    As soon as the general public decides they don’t like alternate jerseys, and they don’t sell, they’ll go away. Could happen any day now.

  • JimWa | April 22, 2010 at 10:45 pm |

    FWIW, ESPN Radio 101.1 in St. Louis reported about an hour ago, that whatsisface will be wearing #8 for the Lambs.

  • FormerDirtDart | April 22, 2010 at 10:48 pm |

    Hey Phil…this should kill you

    Mets win first series of the season, wearing the only uniform they have yet to lose in
    http://espn.go.com/m...

  • =bg= | April 22, 2010 at 10:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”387020″]Wikipedia’s already got the black uni up for AZ, and they have this, which I swear I’d never seen, until just now.[/quote]

    Don’t mind them at all, since black is already long part of their scheme.

    They should have red helmets IMO. OR facemasks.

  • Andy | April 22, 2010 at 10:53 pm |

    At least they went all out and got matching pants and socks instead of just forcing the square peg black jersey into the round hole standard uniform.

  • JTH | April 22, 2010 at 11:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”387025″]Don’t mind them at all, since black is already long part of their scheme.
    [/quote]
    Those blue and red Steelers alts will be awesome.

  • Ricko | April 22, 2010 at 11:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”387025″][quote comment=”387020″]Wikipedia’s already got the black uni up for AZ, and they have this, which I swear I’d never seen, until just now.[/quote]

    Don’t mind them at all, since black is already long part of their scheme.

    They should have red helmets IMO. OR facemasks.[/quote]

    So yellow is part of the baseball Cardinals color scheme? And brown and green part of the Blackhawks and Celtics cuz those colors are in their logos? A black jersey would be okay for Ohio State football because they use black as an accent color? Or for Wisconsin because there’s a black drop shadow on the helmet “W”? Should the Yankees try red sleeves cuz there’s red in that top hat?

    Just, y’know, asking. Trim means it a full-fledged color?

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 11:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”387024″]Hey Phil…this should kill you

    Mets win first series of the season, wearing the only uniform they have yet to lose in
    http://espn.go.com/m...

    the new york mets would like to welcome the arizona cardinals into the fraternity of BFBS teams

    congratulations

  • A-Dub | April 22, 2010 at 11:22 pm |

    Being a Az Cards fan I’m less then impressed to see that they selected BLACK for an alt. jersey. They look like the freakin’ Falcons with white helmets, good lord!! At least they can only wear them a total or 3 times

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 11:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”387024″]Mets win first series of the season, wearing the only uniform they have yet to lose in
    [/quote]

    yeah…but it doesn’t really count, since they were playing the cubs

  • Ricko | April 22, 2010 at 11:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”387026″]At least they went all out and got matching pants and socks instead of just forcing the square peg black jersey into the round hole standard uniform.[/quote]

    Expanding the mistake cures the problem?

    “There’s a snake in the garage!!!”
    “Well, put some more in there; that’ll make it a snake pit and it won’t be a garage anymore. See, simple solution.”

    The “black look” is imitative, unoriginal and predictable. Translation: Lame. Defenders and apologists can work overtime, but it won’t change any of that.

    Cardinal fans: “Cool, now we’re unique like everyone else.”

    Huh? Wanna run that thought by us again, maybe?

    —Ricko

  • Matt | April 22, 2010 at 11:33 pm |

    So Arizona went for BFSB for the alternates, what a shame. I actually think the FSU unis look a bit cleaner with the all white, though I guess it is vaguely insulting to the actual Seminoles, like the school using the nickname already isn’t.

  • LI Phil | April 22, 2010 at 11:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”387032″][quote comment=”387026″]At least they went all out and got matching pants and socks instead of just forcing the square peg black jersey into the round hole standard uniform.[/quote]

    Expanding the mistake cures the problem?

    “There’s a snake in the garage!!!”
    “Well, put some more in there; that’ll make it a snake pit and it won’t be a garage anymore. See, simple solution.”

    The “black look” is imitative, unoriginal and predictable. Translation: Lame. Defenders and apologists can work overtime, but it won’t change any of that.

    Cardinal fans: “Cool, now we’re unique like everyone else.”

    Huh? Wanna run that thought by us again, maybe?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    if the sampling of the rocket scientists who twit (or is it tweet) is any indication…those jerseys will move like wildfire…to wit:

    “aWeSoMe!!! when can we get?????

    Looks really good i pray we get good mojo!!! w/new color :)

    that is THE SWEETEST jersey cant wait to buy it

    I AM YOUR BIGGEST FAN LARRY, CAN’T WAIT TO SEE YOU IN ACTION IN THAT BAD BOY. GO CARDS!

    ooohhhh so excited to get one!!

    EPIC.

    Sweet!!! Can’t wait to get one.”

    ~~~~

    i guess that explains why the next winter classic will be in pittsburgh too…

    marketers aren’t stupid

    clueless, crass and generally devoid of character…

    but they aint stupid

  • Ben Fortney | April 22, 2010 at 11:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”387033″]So Arizona went for BFSB for the alternates, what a shame. I actually think the FSU unis look a bit cleaner with the all white, though I guess it is vaguely insulting to the actual Seminoles, like the school using the nickname already isn’t.[/quote]

    Actually, if I’m not mistaken, the school asked for and received permission from the Seminole Nations. FSU is one of the few “nicknative” teams who’ve gone out of their way to respect their namesakes… I do believe.

  • Ricko | April 22, 2010 at 11:39 pm |

    Who was it who said, “No one ever went broke underestimating the American public”?

  • Ben Fortney | April 22, 2010 at 11:40 pm |

    from Wikipedia:

    “In 1947, students selected the name “Seminoles” (named for the Seminole tribe of American Indians) to represent their university and athletic teams. Since 1978, the teams have been represented by the symbols Chief Osceola and Renegade. The Native American name Osceola is used with official sanction of the Seminole Tribe of Florida, Inc. The unconquered spirit of the Seminole people is a theme that is respected and represented through the athletic teams. The logo, a profile of a Seminole warrior, was created using the actual profile of Thomas Wright, who wrote the Florida State fight song.”

  • Ben Fortney | April 22, 2010 at 11:44 pm |

    Now if we were talking about insulting, let’s deal with the NFL franchise in the Capital, and the aforementioned Chief Wahoo, which IMHO is the mascot equivalent of this.

  • interlockingtc | April 23, 2010 at 12:45 am |

    No one hates modern jersey design elements more than me. I am as old school traditional as they come. I was, and still am, saddened by the awful tweak to the Cardinals logo. I hate alternate jerseys. The state of uniforms in the NFL is a joke.

    Having said that…if one were to make an alternate jersey for the Cardinals (which is pointless and cynical and stupid) and disregard the hackneyed design elements, then perhaps black is not so outrageous a color choice…based on the great Cardinals jersey of yore…

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  • el scotto | April 23, 2010 at 5:01 am |

    Congrats to the Arizona Cardinals on looking like the Atlanta Falcons.