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Hawkeye Hoops, Hurrah!

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When someone sends me a link to a slideshow of old photos, I usually just put it in the Ticker and that’s that. But Cody Dannen recently sent me a link for a bunch of old Iowa girls’ high school basketball photos, mostly from the 1950s and ’60s, that turned out to be too good not to get their own main entry.

I know, I know, Iowa girls’ high school hoops doesn’t exactly sound like a barn-burner. But trust me, there’s some amazing stuff in here. Or better yet, don’t trust me — just see for yourself:

• I’m not sure which I like better, the sashes or the skirts.

• A lot of the teams wore shiny satin uniforms. Some really nice satin warm-ups, too.

• I’m always a sucker for this kind of team photo. Gimmicky, but it’s a good gimmick.

• These pleated skirts look more like cheerleaders’ uniforms, no?

• I was astonished by these shots. Was this team really playing with bare midriffs? In the 1950s?! Sure enough, there were several similar examples (see also here and here). Hard to believe a Midwestern high school was sending teen-age girls out with that much exposed skin.

Update: As I was preparing this entry, reader Chris Andringa sent me this photo and this article, which includes the following passage:

Along the way, the Slater girls raised quite a few eyebrows, not only with their basketball talent, but also with their new two-piece uniforms that exposed their midriffs. Although some considered the uniforms pretty racy, Weeks said there was a simple explanation for them.

“As I remember,” Weeks said, “(the school administration) had the senior girls draw what they thought our uniforms should be. I think it was Nettie Hammond’s design, and we had them made for us. At the time, every team had different suits. Oakland had pleated skirts. It was just a style statement.”

• What’s better than a team with untucked jerseys? How about two teams with untucked jerseys!

• As you all know, I love stripes and am always intrigued by the untucked format. But this is a bit much, even for me.

• If you look at the girl on the left you might not realize she’s wearing an untucked jersey. But as you can see from her rebounding teammate, it’s an untucked design with a striped hemline that simulates a striped waistline on the shorts.

• You could do a whole dissertation on this photo. In addition to both teams wearing skirts and cap sleeves, note that both jerseys are really more like jackets, complete with ribbed trim at the bottom.

• I love basketball uniforms with uni numbers on the shorts.

• What the hell was going on here?! That bib design had to be a warm-up outfit, right? Amazing collar, too.

• It’s not quite the same thing as that bib format, but note the unusual diagonal placket on these jerseys. Looks like a similar design was being used here (diagonal team name, too) and here.

• Speaking of diagonal, what’s the deal with the uni number on the girl in white?

• Totally digging these striped collars.

• I did a double-take when I saw this photo — is that a chest pocket? Yup, and here’s another, and a really nice one. Never noticed that on any kind of hoops uni before.

• Love the simplicity of this 1945 design.

• Uh-oh, nothing says sloppy like mismatched footwear colors. Note that the girl at left appears to be wearing wrestling shoes, not sneakers.

• At first I was puzzled by the waistband notation in this photo — what does it say? But then I looked up Lincoln High in Des Moines and learned that their teams are called the Railsplitters, or just the Rails. That’s what’s printed on the waistband.

• Yet another thing I’m a sucker for: side-button shorts.

• And after all these photos of girls, we’ll wrap things up with one shot of the fellas.

Want to see even more? The full slideshow of over 100 images is here.

Giveaway Reminder: Today’s the last day to submit your entry for those two old NFL LPs I’m giving away. Full details here. I’ll announce the winners tomorrow.

Uni Watch News Ticker: There are sooooo many things to love in this shot of Japanese ski jumpers! The neckties, the sleeve patch, the caps, the gloves, the wristwatch, the bibs, the stadium in the background — it’s the gift that keeps on giving (rare non-Squiddie Life photo submitted by Jeremy Brahm). … Ben Fortney has created a gallery of Norman Rockwell’s sports-related illustrations. I’ve always been partial to this one and this one. … We all know how I feel about purple, but I might make an exception in this case. That’s Abilene Christian University (with thanks to ABU’s coach, Britt Bonneau). … You may have thought that the Orioles won the 1966 World Series, but Wilson uniforms actually did (great find by Bruce Genther). … Striped sleeves are nice, but here’s something I’ve never seen before: checkered sleeves! That’s the Lily High School football team, from Lily, Pennsylvania, circa 1933 (major find by Larry Bodnovich). … The Syracuse lacrosse team is going with NOH (as reported by Nathan Haas). … Wichita State’s baseball team wore some nice throwbacks the other day. “I’m guessing they’ll be wearing these every Sunday, although I haven’t read or heard anything,” says Patrick Chippeaux. … After a bout of conjunctivitis, Francisco Rodriguez will be unable to wear contact lenses for several weeks, so for now he’s wearing goggles. … Animal Kingdom: No screen shot, but a raccoon briefly ran onto the field during yesterday afternoon’s Mets/’Stros game. Then I went for my daily bike ride and saw a raccoon by the side of the cycling lane in Prospect Park. That’s enough to convince me: I’m eating nothing but raccoon for the next week, just to show these critters who’s boss. … The Packers will be unveiling their new throwback alternate at their annual Fan Fest event on Friday, and the word I’m hearing is that it will look very much like the late-1920s design first floated here a few weeks ago (with thanks to Jeff Ash). … Here’s another post about swastikas in sports, this time from a Brazilian soccer site. … Slate has posted two new entries in Julia Turner‘s excellent series on sign design. First, a look at ths signage of London, and then the raging debate over exit signs. … Whereas the Cards and Tigers wear their home caps and helmets on the road during spring training, Jonathon Binet notes that the Indians do the exact opposite, at least in terms of batting helmets: They’ve been wearing their solid-navy road helmets for all their spring games, even with their home whites. … The Ft. Wayne Mad Ants wear subscript NOBs, but Dan Dickau went NNOB on Monday. “There were only 200 people at the game, so I took the opportunity to ask good him what was going on,” says Yogi Combs. “He just said it was already falling off when he was getting dressed, so he went ahead and ripped it the rest of the way off.” … Dying to see a highlight reel of the Frankfurt Galaxy’s 1995 season? Right, me neither, but here it is anyway (with thanks to Alex Acosta). … A lot of NFL Films material is going to be made available on Hulu, which can only be a good thing for uni watching. … Several good durene items currently available on eBay, including this hockey shirt, this football jersey, an even better football jersey, and — wait for it — an amazing football all-star jersey in Uni Watch colors! Too bad it’s too big for me (plus it looks like the collar has been removed, hmmmm). … I’ve been really good about not complaining about this until now, but it needs to be said: Those new MLB undershirts with the swoosh on the collar look like total fucking shite. … Oooh, dig this: a video clip of the Babe getting plunked (good find by Chad Todd). … Saginaw High School in Michigan has TNOB, but the weirder thing is what they have on the front. Anyone know the story behind that? (With thanks to Ryan McNew). … Corey Davis notes that North Texas hoops player George Odufuwa appears to have an upside-down M, instead of a true W, in his NOB. “Interestingly, he seemed to have the same problem last year,” says Corey, which I guess means North Texas gets a lot of wear out of their jerseys.

 

142 comments to Hawkeye Hoops, Hurrah!

  • Jim Mellett | March 10, 2010 at 8:33 am |

    The turf shoes Rocky Blier was wearing in the photo posted a few days ago were by Acton. We wore them at our high school in Pittsburgh from ’79 season at least through the ’80 season. They were white canvas with a black canvas strap on each side in the form of an upside down V. Found this article to back up my fading memory. (paragraph 13-14)

    http://news.google.c...

    http://news.google.c...

  • Hank | March 10, 2010 at 9:00 am |

    Gotta love the Babe’s reaction to getting plunked. Brush it off and take your base. A lesson a lot of current MLBers need to learn.

  • TomServaux96 | March 10, 2010 at 9:02 am |

    When I was growing up in the ’80s in Cedar Falls, the Girls BBall Tournament was the highlight of the spring sports season. Probably because it always seemed to be hit by a blizzard, leaving several small towns-worth of people stranded for at least a night.

    And my anti-spam word was “broad.” Seriously.

  • Rob Leavell | March 10, 2010 at 9:04 am |

    I grew up in Iowa (Urbandale ’84, Iowa ’89) and can vouch that girls basketball was HUGE back in the day.
    But I can’t believe you didn’t mention the most unique thing. See the first picture? Why are there players standing at the other end of the floor?
    Because until 1993, Iowa girls played six-on-six basketball. Each half had three offensive and defensive players. No one was allowed to cross half-court, the ball had to be passed across it. And you could only dribble two (or three?) times before you had to pass it.
    The Des Moines PBS affiliate did a special on it. http://bit.ly/aBGMwQ

  • Geeman | March 10, 2010 at 9:06 am |

    Those are some sweet black and purple uniforms!

    http://farm3.static....

    As for the Nike logo on the baseball undershirts: Doesn’t that conflict with the Majestic logo on the uniform? I’m surprised Majestic would allow that. We’re getting one step closer to a billboard culture in real games.

  • Joe Hilseberg | March 10, 2010 at 9:10 am |

    Did you see the Under Armour ad on the cover of Sports Illustrated?

    http://masnsports.co...

    not a single Oriole logo that I can easily see

  • LI Phil | March 10, 2010 at 9:12 am |

    The Ft. Wayne Mad Ants wear subscript NOBs

    not to correct the terminology, but wouldn’t that more appropriately be “NBNs” or something (name below numbers)?

    ‘subscript’ to me would be like how you write out “water” chemically: H20

  • Paul Lukas | March 10, 2010 at 9:15 am |

    [quote comment=”381193″]The Ft. Wayne Mad Ants wear subscript NOBs

    not to correct the terminology, but wouldn’t that more appropriately be “NBNs” or something (name below numbers”?

    ‘subscript’ to me would be like how you write out “water” chemically: H20[/quote]

    You just wanted to show off that you know how to do subscript coding, didn’t you….

  • Ry Co 40 | March 10, 2010 at 9:18 am |

    this jersey could definitely build some DIY inspiration. so much to love about it:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • J. Wagner | March 10, 2010 at 9:24 am |

    Aah, yes. Girls high school basketball at the Barn was an Iowa tradition. Great memories of 6-on-6 games which, when played well, can be a lot of fun to watch. I always found it interesting that, as a male, we were forced to play 6-on-6 in gym class in high school because the class was co-ed.

    Another tradition from the girls state tournament was high school boys in tuxedos cleaned the floor at the half and between games. They out shoulder to should with the big mops and wipe down the floor.

  • Jakob Wolf Neunzehn | March 10, 2010 at 9:24 am |

    “As I remember,” Weeks said, “(the school administration) had the senior girls draw what they thought our uniforms should be. I think it was Nettie Hammond’s design, and we had them made for us. At the time, every team had different suits. Oakland had pleated skirts. It was just a style statement.”

    Ah, these kids today and their crazy…uh, wait…that’s from the 1950s.

    Guess the Oregon and UVA mentality isn’t so new after all…

    Great pics. I’d never seen a team photo like this one, until today:
    http://cmsimg.desmoi...

  • LI Phil | March 10, 2010 at 9:25 am |

    [quote comment=”381194″][quote comment=”381193″]The Ft. Wayne Mad Ants wear subscript NOBs

    not to correct the terminology, but wouldn’t that more appropriately be “NBNs” or something (name below numbers”?

    ‘subscript’ to me would be like how you write out “water” chemically: H20[/quote]

    You just wanted to show off that you know how to do subscript coding, didn’t you….[/quote]

    well, yes and no, but it is a serious question…if names below numbers are called subscript, then im cool with it — what’s the acronym for that? “S#OB”?

  • Paul Lukas | March 10, 2010 at 9:28 am |

    [quote comment=”381198″][quote comment=”381194″][quote comment=”381193″]The Ft. Wayne Mad Ants wear subscript NOBs

    not to correct the terminology, but wouldn’t that more appropriately be “NBNs” or something (name below numbers”?

    ‘subscript’ to me would be like how you write out “water” chemically: H20[/quote]

    You just wanted to show off that you know how to do subscript coding, didn’t you….[/quote]

    well, yes and no, but it is a serious question…if names below numbers are called subscript, then im cool with it — what’s the acronym for that? “S#OB”?[/quote]

    Eh, I’m gonna keep saying subscript — they’re below the number. “Drop-down” also works.

    The whole “OB” construction doesn’t apply here — it’s still an NOB. But it’s a subscript (or drop-down) NOB. In other words, “subscript” (or “drop-down”) is just a modifier, same as radially arched NOB, vertically arched NOB, etc.

  • LI Phil | March 10, 2010 at 9:28 am |

    damn…that “S#OB” should stand for “superscript number on back” (or else it should read sNOB = subscript name on back)

  • Jakob Wolf Neunzehn | March 10, 2010 at 9:31 am |

    [quote comment=”381195″]this jersey could definitely build some DIY inspiration. so much to love about it:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Agreed. Love the font, love the stripes. I’d make that if I could.

    Just for fun, move your cursor back and forth over the two small pictures just under the big photo. Very cool effect – the number looks like a beating heart.

  • The Jeff | March 10, 2010 at 9:36 am |

    [quote comment=”381196″]Aah, yes. Girls high school basketball at the Barn was an Iowa tradition. Great memories of 6-on-6 games which, when played well, can be a lot of fun to watch. I always found it interesting that, as a male, we were forced to play 6-on-6 in gym class in high school because the class was co-ed.

    Another tradition from the girls state tournament was high school boys in tuxedos cleaned the floor at the half and between games. They out shoulder to should with the big mops and wipe down the floor.[/quote]

    Question since I don’t feel like actually searching… are there any major rule differences between 6-on-6 and normal basketball, or is it just the essentially the same thing with an extra player?

  • Dank | March 10, 2010 at 9:44 am |

    Anyone got a link to the Packer jersey from a few weeks ago that may be the retro? Was out of town and never checked uniwatch.

    Will they wear the retro jerseys with the current helmets and pants?

  • Mike M | March 10, 2010 at 9:46 am |

    Paul,
    Not sure if you’ll be able to find it or not, but SI has a special issue out for the Canadian Hockey win. In the front portion has pics of the previous medal wins by Canada. Few nice uni pics in there.

    I’m just not sure if that issue is Canadian only, or if it was released in the US

  • Jakob Wolf Neunzehn | March 10, 2010 at 9:50 am |

    [quote comment=”381202″][quote comment=”381196″]Aah, yes. Girls high school basketball at the Barn was an Iowa tradition. Great memories of 6-on-6 games which, when played well, can be a lot of fun to watch. I always found it interesting that, as a male, we were forced to play 6-on-6 in gym class in high school because the class was co-ed.

    Another tradition from the girls state tournament was high school boys in tuxedos cleaned the floor at the half and between games. They out shoulder to should with the big mops and wipe down the floor.[/quote]

    Question since I don’t feel like actually searching… are there any major rule differences between 6-on-6 and normal basketball, or is it just the essentially the same thing with an extra player?[/quote]

    Video’s not high quality, but it’s good enough to show you how it was played:
    http://www.youtube.c...

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 9:51 am |

    [quote comment=”381187″]The turf shoes Rocky Blier was wearing in the photo posted a few days ago were by Acton. We wore them at our high school in Pittsburgh from ’79 season at least through the ’80 season. They were white canvas with a black canvas strap on each side in the form of an upside down V. Found this article to back up my fading memory. (paragraph 13-14)

    http://news.google.c...

    http://news.google.c...

    Thank you! Solves an old puzzle (for me and a few others, anyway).
    And that makes sense. Never could figure why the ID logo that looked so much like the Riddell Snug-Fit stirrup thingee. Now we know. It’s an “A” (which, of course, is exactly what it looks like).

    And we finally can stop with the goofy theories that it was a curling shoe or a broomball shoe.

    BIG thanks again, Jim.

    —Ricko

  • chance michaels | March 10, 2010 at 9:51 am |

    [quote comment=”381195″]this jersey could definitely build some DIY inspiration. so much to love about it:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    That is a beautiful piece. I don’t usually wear vintage jerseys, but I’m very tempted to chase that one.

  • Jakob Wolf Neunzehn | March 10, 2010 at 9:54 am |

    Checkered sleeves? Was that the Croatian football team?
    http://img.photobuck...

    I’d like to see some Norwegian curling-style argyle sleeves.

  • Ry Co 40 | March 10, 2010 at 9:55 am |

    [quote comment=”381201″][quote comment=”381195″]this jersey could definitely build some DIY inspiration. so much to love about it:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Agreed. Love the font, love the stripes. I’d make that if I could.

    Just for fun, move your cursor back and forth over the two small pictures just under the big photo. Very cool effect – the number looks like a beating heart.[/quote]

    LOL! JWM, that’s so simple it’s cool! now better yet, youtube the song renegade by styx and everytime the heart beats try that effect! hahaha

    p.s.
    small shiny objects will also keep me busy for hours…

  • Kevin | March 10, 2010 at 9:59 am |

    I just thought I would share this. It is an example of TLOB (Team Logo On Back). This is the Beggs Demon football team out of Beggs, Oklahoma. The logo is a flaming trident. It is also used in place of NOB on their basketball unis as well.

    http://www.tulsaurba...

  • Stoops | March 10, 2010 at 10:00 am |

    hey!
    how come my comments were deleted yesterday?
    what gives?
    -Stoops

  • Kevin | March 10, 2010 at 10:02 am |

    [quote comment=”381210″]I just thought I would share this. It is an example of TLOB (Team Logo On Back). This is the Beggs Demon football team out of Beggs, Oklahoma. The logo is a flaming trident. It is also used in place of NOB on their basketball unis as well.

    http://www.tulsaurba...

    Here is an example of the basketball TLOB

    http://www.tulsaurba...

  • Broadway Connie | March 10, 2010 at 10:06 am |

    Damn, Paul, this site is getting too good. The Iowa girls; the Japanese ski jumpers; the Norman Rockwells; the plunked Babe… Waddaya got against a guy who needs to get some work done?

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 10:12 am |

    [quote comment=”381201″][quote comment=”381195″]this jersey could definitely build some DIY inspiration. so much to love about it:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Agreed. Love the font, love the stripes. I’d make that if I could.

    Just for fun, move your cursor back and forth over the two small pictures just under the big photo. Very cool effect – the number looks like a beating heart.[/quote]

    Also shows that pre-NOB era numbers on back were larger than front numbers, typically 10″ and 12″, although older jerseys will have 8″ and 10″.

    With advent of NOB, back numbers often were dropped to 10″, making them same size as the front. Also made it look funny when a team decided to go without NOB but didn’t enlarge the back numbers to compensate for the blank “name space” at the top. Remember that particularly about Notre Dame for a few seasons.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 10:14 am |

    Dare we hope they were the Lilly High School “Lumberjacks”?
    http://img.photobuck...

    —ricko

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 10:15 am |

    …with, of course, red and black on the sleeves?

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 10:16 am |

    Psst…there’s 12 of ’em.

  • JTH | March 10, 2010 at 10:17 am |

    [quote comment=”381190″]I can’t believe you didn’t mention the most unique thing. See the first picture? Why are there players standing at the other end of the floor?
    Because until 1993, Iowa girls played six-on-six basketball. [/quote]
    I thought 6-on-6 was still being played in Iowa. I didn’t realize it had gone the way of the two-handed set shot.

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 10:17 am |

    Probably the entire team, huh.

  • interlockingtc | March 10, 2010 at 10:18 am |

    The Nike swoosh placed on the front/center collar of… an UNDERSHIRT.

    I give up.

  • JTH | March 10, 2010 at 10:22 am |

    [quote comment=”381208″]I’d like to see some Norwegian curling-style argyle sleeves.[/quote]
    Lemme guess: you’d wear that, right?

  • LI Phil | March 10, 2010 at 10:23 am |

    [quote comment=”381209″]
    small shiny objects will also keep me busy for hours…[/quote]

    how do you keep a moron in suspense?

  • Ry Co 40 | March 10, 2010 at 10:28 am |

    [quote comment=”381214″][quote comment=”381201″][quote comment=”381195″]this jersey could definitely build some DIY inspiration. so much to love about it:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Agreed. Love the font, love the stripes. I’d make that if I could.

    Just for fun, move your cursor back and forth over the two small pictures just under the big photo. Very cool effect – the number looks like a beating heart.[/quote]

    Also shows that pre-NOB era numbers on back were larger than front numbers, typically 10″ and 12″, although older jerseys will have 8″ and 10″.

    With advent of NOB, back numbers often were dropped to 10″, making them same size as the front. Also made it look funny when a team decided to go without NOB but didn’t enlarge the back numbers to compensate for the blank “name space” at the top. Remember that particularly about Notre Dame for a few seasons.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    sometimes you can scale up the numbers a bit much though:

    http://www.lax.com/c...

  • Jakob Wolf Neunzehn | March 10, 2010 at 10:33 am |

    [quote comment=”381221″][quote comment=”381208″]I’d like to see some Norwegian curling-style argyle sleeves.[/quote]
    Lemme guess: you’d wear that, right?[/quote]

    You betcha!

  • JimV19 | March 10, 2010 at 10:33 am |

    [quote comment=”381224″][quote comment=”381221″][quote comment=”381208″]I’d like to see some Norwegian curling-style argyle sleeves.[/quote]
    Lemme guess: you’d wear that, right?[/quote]

    You betcha![/quote]

    Me too!

  • Giacomo Lupo Diciannove | March 10, 2010 at 10:34 am |

    [quote comment=”381225″][quote comment=”381224″][quote comment=”381221″][quote comment=”381208″]I’d like to see some Norwegian curling-style argyle sleeves.[/quote]
    Lemme guess: you’d wear that, right?[/quote]

    You betcha![/quote]

    Me too![/quote]

    Count me in.

  • Diego Lobo Dicinueve | March 10, 2010 at 10:35 am |

    [quote comment=”381226″][quote comment=”381225″][quote comment=”381224″][quote comment=”381221″][quote comment=”381208″]I’d like to see some Norwegian curling-style argyle sleeves.[/quote]
    Lemme guess: you’d wear that, right?[/quote]

    You betcha![/quote]

    Me too![/quote]

    Oh sure, me too.
    Count me in.[/quote]

  • LI Phil | March 10, 2010 at 10:37 am |

    jim

    PLEASE STOP

  • Jim Mellett | March 10, 2010 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment=”381206″][quote comment=”381187″]The turf shoes Rocky Blier was wearing in the photo posted a few days ago were by Acton. We wore them at our high school in Pittsburgh from ’79 season at least through the ’80 season. They were white canvas with a black canvas strap on each side in the form of an upside down V. Found this article to back up my fading memory. (paragraph 13-14)

    http://news.google.c...

    http://news.google.c...

    Thank you! Solves an old puzzle (for me and a few others, anyway).
    And that makes sense. Never could figure why the ID logo that looked so much like the Riddell Snug-Fit stirrup thingee. Now we know. It’s an “A” (which, of course, is exactly what it looks like).

    And we finally can stop with the goofy theories that it was a curling shoe or a broomball shoe.

    BIG thanks again, Jim.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Sent some images from high school to Paul. I remembered the name for 30 years. Wish my memory worked that well in the rest of my life.

    Jim

  • John Mahoney | March 10, 2010 at 10:43 am |

    That video of Babe Ruth getting hit is from the 1932 world series between the Yankees and the Cubs, and it was filmed in game four

  • JTH | March 10, 2010 at 10:45 am |

    [quote comment=”381228″]jim

    PLEASE STOP[/quote]
    Showoff.

  • JimV19 | March 10, 2010 at 10:46 am |

    [quote comment=”381228″]jim

    PLEASE STOP[/quote]

    Oh, I was done anyway…

  • Trevor | March 10, 2010 at 10:47 am |

    Seeing those pictures make me desperately miss the tournaments in Vets. Wells Fargo just doesn’t have the same feel.

  • Squiddie | March 10, 2010 at 10:47 am |

    I know it’s been mentioned before, but there’s a set of Life photos for a story about Iowa Girls Basketball.

    Pleated (gusseted?) backs?

    NOS? (Name on shorts? Name on side of shorts?)

    The Coon Rapids girls are all about the stripes. (Yes, Minnesotans, they have their own Coon Rapids.)

    What? Not the Lady Cobras?

  • Josh | March 10, 2010 at 10:50 am |

    I saw the NBC Vancouver Olympics logo today (after a week of not seeing it) and noticed that it is very similar to the new (and some old) NFL preseason logos.

    similarly shaped shield, colors (navy and a paler blue), banner across the middle, and logo (NBC or NFL) on the top center.

    While not identical, I wouldn’t be surprised if the same firm designed both logos. Need some creativity.

    Compare http://www.nbcolympi... with http://farm5.static....

  • EricRomain | March 10, 2010 at 10:52 am |

    Re: Saginaw High School Trojans basketball unis

    They just started putting the “High” on the front within the past few years. I think I have a possible explanation. There are 2 rival high schools in the city of Saginaw, Saginaw High School and Arthur Hill High School. Arthur Hill is commonly referred to as “The Hill”, so Saginaw High is referred to as “The High”. I guess they felt that this moniker has become accepted enough to put on their uniform. When they started wearing these, Stupid? probably, but it’s certainly unique.

  • Geenf | March 10, 2010 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”381218″][quote comment=”381190″]I can’t believe you didn’t mention the most unique thing. See the first picture? Why are there players standing at the other end of the floor?
    Because until 1993, Iowa girls played six-on-six basketball. [/quote]
    I thought 6-on-6 was still being played in Iowa. I didn’t realize it had gone the way of the two-handed set shot.[/quote]

    I think Iowa and Oklahoma were the last two 6-v-6 states, and they discontinued it in 1999, IIRC.

    Netball (almost the same sport, except without a backboard and with infinitely uglier uniforms) is played in many Commonwealth countries. We’d kick ass in that sport.

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”381223″][quote comment=”381214″][quote comment=”381201″][quote comment=”381195″]this jersey could definitely build some DIY inspiration. so much to love about it:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Agreed. Love the font, love the stripes. I’d make that if I could.

    Just for fun, move your cursor back and forth over the two small pictures just under the big photo. Very cool effect – the number looks like a beating heart.[/quote]

    Also shows that pre-NOB era numbers on back were larger than front numbers, typically 10″ and 12″, although older jerseys will have 8″ and 10″.

    With advent of NOB, back numbers often were dropped to 10″, making them same size as the front. Also made it look funny when a team decided to go without NOB but didn’t enlarge the back numbers to compensate for the blank “name space” at the top. Remember that particularly about Notre Dame for a few seasons.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    sometimes you can scale up the numbers a bit much though:

    http://www.lax.com/c...

    Those are in effect white numbers with a white border. Teams do that sometimes. Numbers look almost…swollen.

    If someone were to change the interior and exterior borders so they were the same color as the jersey, numbers likely wouldn’t seem so excessively big (were I at home, I’d a quick version of it).

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | March 10, 2010 at 10:57 am |

    [quote comment=”381238″]

    Those are in effect white numbers with a white border. Teams do that sometimes. Numbers look almost…swollen.
    [/quote]

    the look borderless to me

    also note the sublimated “s” in the lower quarterpanel…orange on orange

    i’d say these lax jerseys look like that on purpose, not because of a double border

  • Ry Co 40 | March 10, 2010 at 10:57 am |

    [quote comment=”381238″][quote comment=”381223″][quote comment=”381214″][quote comment=”381201″][quote comment=”381195″]this jersey could definitely build some DIY inspiration. so much to love about it:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Agreed. Love the font, love the stripes. I’d make that if I could.

    Just for fun, move your cursor back and forth over the two small pictures just under the big photo. Very cool effect – the number looks like a beating heart.[/quote]

    Also shows that pre-NOB era numbers on back were larger than front numbers, typically 10″ and 12″, although older jerseys will have 8″ and 10″.

    With advent of NOB, back numbers often were dropped to 10″, making them same size as the front. Also made it look funny when a team decided to go without NOB but didn’t enlarge the back numbers to compensate for the blank “name space” at the top. Remember that particularly about Notre Dame for a few seasons.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    sometimes you can scale up the numbers a bit much though:

    http://www.lax.com/c...

    Those are in effect white numbers with a white border. Teams do that sometimes. Numbers look almost…swollen.

    If someone were to change the interior and exterior borders so they were the same color as the jersey, numbers likely wouldn’t seem so excessively big (were I at home, I’d a quick version of it).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    i have to say, i LOVE those jerseys though! SO simple! i think they can ditch the white boarder though (good eye, by the way)

  • Bernard | March 10, 2010 at 10:57 am |

    [quote comment=”381209″][quote comment=”381201″][quote comment=”381195″]this jersey could definitely build some DIY inspiration. so much to love about it:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Agreed. Love the font, love the stripes. I’d make that if I could.

    Just for fun, move your cursor back and forth over the two small pictures just under the big photo. Very cool effect – the number looks like a beating heart.[/quote]

    LOL! JWM, that’s so simple it’s cool! now better yet, youtube the song renegade by styx and everytime the heart beats try that effect! hahaha

    p.s.
    small shiny objects will also keep me busy for hours…[/quote]

    You Steelers-obsessed yinzer! Haha…

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 11:07 am |

    [quote comment=”381239″][quote comment=”381238″]

    Those are in effect white numbers with a white border. Teams do that sometimes. Numbers look almost…swollen.
    [/quote]

    the look borderless to me

    also note the sublimated “s” in the lower quarterpanel…orange on orange

    i’d say these lax jerseys look like that on purpose, not because of a double border[/quote]

    I said, “in effect”, not actually. All you would do to create that font is to use the outlines of a number bordered in a second color.

    Don’t think so? Take a photo of, say, the Giants home blues during the LT era and change the red border on the numbers to white. Presto. Essentially same effect as those Syracuse lacrosse numbers.

    Or imagine there IS a white border on Syracuse, and change it orange (as I said, were I at home I’d do a quick version in Paint to show how close it is in essense to what I’m saying).

    —Ricko

  • Ry Co 40 | March 10, 2010 at 11:10 am |

    [quote comment=”381239″][quote comment=”381238″]

    Those are in effect white numbers with a white border. Teams do that sometimes. Numbers look almost…swollen.
    [/quote]

    the look borderless to me

    also note the sublimated “s” in the lower quarterpanel…orange on orange

    i’d say these lax jerseys look like that on purpose, not because of a double border[/quote]

    i think there is a thin white boarder around those numbers (look at the 8). the “S” is cool too

    very sharp jersey!

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment=”381239″][quote comment=”381238″]

    Those are in effect white numbers with a white border. Teams do that sometimes. Numbers look almost…swollen.
    [/quote]

    the look borderless to me

    also note the sublimated “s” in the lower quarterpanel…orange on orange

    i’d say these lax jerseys look like that on purpose, not because of a double border[/quote]

    Zoom in on the “8” on #28.

  • Clint W | March 10, 2010 at 11:37 am |

    We have a similar situation to Saginaw here in Iowa. The two high schools in Iowa City are officially named Iowa City High School and Iowa City West High School. The two schools are popularly known as City High and West High, and this shows up even on sports uniforms.

  • Mark K | March 10, 2010 at 11:39 am |

    That’s just the stitching you’re seeing.

  • LI Phil | March 10, 2010 at 11:39 am |

    [quote comment=”381244″]

    Zoom in on the “8” on #28.[/quote]

    ok

    if you want to say that’s a border, then fine…i think thats just an effect of the stitching

    regardless (tomato/tomahto), it was done on purpose and it looks stupid — even if i were to make that “border” black or dark blue (as opposed to orange), the fat white #s are still done that way on purpose

  • Cruzer | March 10, 2010 at 11:52 am |

    Been checking this blog daily for 2 years and its always good but this was by far my favorite! The girl hoops uni’s were awesome! Course, as a former female hooper, I would have hated them but the pictures are great.

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 12:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”381247″][quote comment=”381244″]

    Zoom in on the “8” on #28.[/quote]

    ok

    if you want to say that’s a border, then fine…i think thats just an effect of the stitching

    regardless (tomato/tomahto), it was done on purpose and it looks stupid — even if i were to make that “border” black or dark blue (as opposed to orange), the fat white #s are still done that way on purpose[/quote]

    Arrgh. Wish I was home. Could show what I’m talking about. If you put a dark border OVER the white edges of those Syracuse numbers (not outside them on the orange), you get a standard style number. Have seen that style on other lacrosse teams recently (and the Winnipeg Blue Bombers in the 80’s, too).

    Not about whether is or is not an actual border, per se. Just that you create that “fat” font by simply (figuratively speaking, put in heat transfer lettering terms, which uses layers) using the “blume”/border transfer, and just never affixing the contrasting main number color transfer atop it (not saying those are heat transfer on Syracuse, just trying to create a visual for the font origin).

    Make sense?

    In the ’80s, used to help out a friend who had a shop that did TONS of heat transfers onto NFL replica blanks. Realized then what, in essence, the Blue Bombers were doing when I held up the transfer for a 10” white border (which was to have a thinner, darker color transfer laid atop it before going under the heat press). It was a “fat” style Bomber number.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 12:14 pm |

    I’m not saying that’s PRECISELY what’s going on with the Syracuse numbers, just what it is visually…that’s why I said “in effect” right from the beginning…

    …and, I suppose, how someone would go about creating the font for a DIY project…or a team for which they were designing jerseys. Just include the border on a two-color number and turn it into a one-color number.

    Thass all, folks.

    —Ricko

  • The Jeff | March 10, 2010 at 12:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”381249″][quote comment=”381247″][quote comment=”381244″]

    Zoom in on the “8” on #28.[/quote]

    ok

    if you want to say that’s a border, then fine…i think thats just an effect of the stitching

    regardless (tomato/tomahto), it was done on purpose and it looks stupid — even if i were to make that “border” black or dark blue (as opposed to orange), the fat white #s are still done that way on purpose[/quote]

    Arrgh. Wish I was home. Could show what I’m talking about. If you put a dark border OVER the white edges of those Syracuse numbers (not outside them on the orange), you get a standard style number. Have seen that style on other lacrosse teams recently (and the Winnipeg Blue Bombers in the 80’s, too).

    Not about whether is or is not an actual border, per se. Just that you create that “fat” font by simply (figuratively speaking, put in heat transfer lettering terms, which uses layers) using the “blume”/border transfer, and just never affixing the contrasting main number color transfer atop it (not saying those are heat transfer on Syracuse, just trying to create a visual for the font origin).

    Make sense?

    In the ’80s, used to help out a friend who had a shop that did TONS of heat transfers onto NFL replica blanks. Realized then what, in essence, the Blue Bombers were doing when I held up the transfer for a 10” white border (which was to have a thinner, darker color transfer laid atop it before going under the heat press). It was a “fat” style Bomber number.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    For a visual reference… if they stuck a “normal” number on them:

    http://img391.images...

    They don’t look too thick anymore

  • JTH | March 10, 2010 at 12:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”381251″][quote comment=”381249″][quote comment=”381247″][quote comment=”381244″]

    Zoom in on the “8” on #28.[/quote]

    ok

    if you want to say that’s a border, then fine…i think thats just an effect of the stitching

    regardless (tomato/tomahto), it was done on purpose and it looks stupid — even if i were to make that “border” black or dark blue (as opposed to orange), the fat white #s are still done that way on purpose[/quote]

    Arrgh. Wish I was home. Could show what I’m talking about. If you put a dark border OVER the white edges of those Syracuse numbers (not outside them on the orange), you get a standard style number. Have seen that style on other lacrosse teams recently (and the Winnipeg Blue Bombers in the 80’s, too).

    Not about whether is or is not an actual border, per se. Just that you create that “fat” font by simply (figuratively speaking, put in heat transfer lettering terms, which uses layers) using the “blume”/border transfer, and just never affixing the contrasting main number color transfer atop it (not saying those are heat transfer on Syracuse, just trying to create a visual for the font origin).

    Make sense?

    In the ’80s, used to help out a friend who had a shop that did TONS of heat transfers onto NFL replica blanks. Realized then what, in essence, the Blue Bombers were doing when I held up the transfer for a 10” white border (which was to have a thinner, darker color transfer laid atop it before going under the heat press). It was a “fat” style Bomber number.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    For a visual reference… if they stuck a “normal” number on them:

    http://img391.images...

    They don’t look too thick anymore[/quote]
    Good job, The Jeff. Much better than my feeble attempt.

    Either way, I still think those numbers are too darn big.

  • LI Phil | March 10, 2010 at 12:24 pm |

    even if you put a border (whether white or orange or dark blue)

    the numbers are fat

    my point was that it was done on purpose, whether or not it has a border — the desired effect was big fat numbers

  • Mike Engle | March 10, 2010 at 12:47 pm |

    If Jon Heyman is correct (and he almost always is), the Brewers will not be untucking after wins this year.

  • LI Phil | March 10, 2010 at 12:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”381254″]If Jon Heyman is correct (and he almost always is), the Brewers will not be untucking after wins this year.[/quote]

    that’s cuz cammy’s in bahstin now

  • Mike Engle | March 10, 2010 at 12:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”381255″][quote comment=”381254″]If Jon Heyman is correct (and he almost always is), the Brewers will not be untucking after wins this year.[/quote]

    that’s cuz cammy’s in bahstin now[/quote]
    Not quite.
    Our Milwaukee correspondent John Okray previously reported that according to Prince Fielder, the Brewers were still going to “untuck ’em.” No offense, Johnny O, but I’m gonna go with Jon Heyman over you any day of the week.
    And if Mike Cameron leads an untuck regime in Boston…well, I’m a Yankees fan, so I don’t NEED another reason to hate the Red Sox, but I’ll take one anyway.

  • Andy | March 10, 2010 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”381214″]Also shows that pre-NOB era numbers on back were larger than front numbers, typically 10″ and 12″, although older jerseys will have 8″ and 10″.

    With advent of NOB, back numbers often were dropped to 10″, making them same size as the front. Also made it look funny when a team decided to go without NOB but didn’t enlarge the back numbers to compensate for the blank “name space” at the top. Remember that particularly about Notre Dame for a few seasons.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The numbers are still and for the most part always have been larger on the backs of most teams uniforms. Some teams (Browns, Packers, for example) have a different number set for the back of the jerseys, which are a little thicker, taller, but close to the same with as the front numerals. Other teams (Jets, Colts, for example) Simply scale up their front numbers for use on the backs of their jerseys. Most teams with custom numerals do this as well (Cardinals, Falcons, et al). I’ve not seen any examples of teams shrinking their rear numerals to accomodate an NOB, the simply moved them lower on the back. Today, I can vouch that every NFL team has larger rear numbers than front numbers. Can’t speak for colleges, though

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”381251″][quote comment=”381249″][quote comment=”381247″][quote comment=”381244″]

    Zoom in on the “8” on #28.[/quote]

    ok

    if you want to say that’s a border, then fine…i think thats just an effect of the stitching

    regardless (tomato/tomahto), it was done on purpose and it looks stupid — even if i were to make that “border” black or dark blue (as opposed to orange), the fat white #s are still done that way on purpose[/quote]

    Arrgh. Wish I was home. Could show what I’m talking about. If you put a dark border OVER the white edges of those Syracuse numbers (not outside them on the orange), you get a standard style number. Have seen that style on other lacrosse teams recently (and the Winnipeg Blue Bombers in the 80’s, too).

    Not about whether is or is not an actual border, per se. Just that you create that “fat” font by simply (figuratively speaking, put in heat transfer lettering terms, which uses layers) using the “blume”/border transfer, and just never affixing the contrasting main number color transfer atop it (not saying those are heat transfer on Syracuse, just trying to create a visual for the font origin).

    Make sense?

    In the ’80s, used to help out a friend who had a shop that did TONS of heat transfers onto NFL replica blanks. Realized then what, in essence, the Blue Bombers were doing when I held up the transfer for a 10” white border (which was to have a thinner, darker color transfer laid atop it before going under the heat press). It was a “fat” style Bomber number.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    For a visual reference… if they stuck a “normal” number on them:

    http://img391.images...

    They don’t look too thick anymore[/quote]

    Ah, The Jeff, we drive each other a little nuts, you and I, but yah done good. Thanks for helping make my point.

    Not judging their choice of number size, mind you, but that they’re nothing more than a normal number fattened up by combining the normal border and the number into a fat one-color number.

    Thanks again.
    (I mean it, y’know)

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”381253″]even if you put a border (whether white or orange or dark blue)

    the numbers are fat

    my point was that it was done on purpose, whether or not it has a border — the desired effect was big fat numbers[/quote]

    Borders aren’t typically that narrow. But your point, and mine certainly, is that they wanted fat numbers.

    I’m just splanin’ how the accomplished it, design-wise.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | March 10, 2010 at 1:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”381259″][quote comment=”381253″]even if you put a border (whether white or orange or dark blue)

    the numbers are fat

    my point was that it was done on purpose, whether or not it has a border — the desired effect was big fat numbers[/quote]

    Borders aren’t typically that narrow. But your point, and mine certainly, is that they wanted fat numbers.

    I’m just splanin’ how the accomplished it, design-wise.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Ah, I had a feeling the border width would be mentioned.

    So let’s compare that to a team that uses thin borders on its numbers.

    A world of difference, eh?

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 1:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”381257″][quote comment=”381214″]Also shows that pre-NOB era numbers on back were larger than front numbers, typically 10″ and 12″, although older jerseys will have 8″ and 10″.

    With advent of NOB, back numbers often were dropped to 10″, making them same size as the front. Also made it look funny when a team decided to go without NOB but didn’t enlarge the back numbers to compensate for the blank “name space” at the top. Remember that particularly about Notre Dame for a few seasons.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The numbers are still and for the most part always have been larger on the backs of most teams uniforms. Some teams (Browns, Packers, for example) have a different number set for the back of the jerseys, which are a little thicker, taller, but close to the same with as the front numerals. Other teams (Jets, Colts, for example) Simply scale up their front numbers for use on the backs of their jerseys. Most teams with custom numerals do this as well (Cardinals, Falcons, et al). I’ve not seen any examples of teams shrinking their rear numerals to accomodate an NOB, the simply moved them lower on the back. Today, I can vouch that every NFL team has larger rear numbers than front numbers. Can’t speak for colleges, though[/quote]

    Was a little vague there, I guess. Was talking about the early years of NOB. There was still some figgerin’ out how to accomplish it. Names on the yoke, names below the yoke. names on a template over the yoke seam, redesign jersey configuration to allow for them…

    And one of the moves, for a while and for some teams, was to reduce the size of the back number.

    Moreso in college, yes. Why I thought of Notre Dame.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 1:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”381260″][quote comment=”381259″][quote comment=”381253″]even if you put a border (whether white or orange or dark blue)

    the numbers are fat

    my point was that it was done on purpose, whether or not it has a border — the desired effect was big fat numbers[/quote]

    Borders aren’t typically that narrow. But your point, and mine certainly, is that they wanted fat numbers.

    I’m just splanin’ how the accomplished it, design-wise.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Ah, I had a feeling the border width would be mentioned.

    So let’s compare that to a team that uses thin borders on its numbers.

    A world of difference, eh?[/quote]

    Either way, isn’t about totally designing a “fat” font. Just keep adding same-color borders ’til desired fatness achieved.

    That’s all I was trying to say. That it’s easily accomplished.

    That they are essentially, if we had to describe them verbally, “Typical two-color numbers, rendered in one color.” Know what I mean?

    —Ricko

  • John | March 10, 2010 at 1:16 pm |

    Seeing the Iowa pics from the 60’s reminds me that teams use to wear even numbers on home or white jerseys and odds on away or dark jerseys. Houston’s Phi Slamma Jammma the last one I remember. Anyone out there know why or have and answer??? Thanks

  • Bernard | March 10, 2010 at 1:17 pm |

    Oregon senate candidate rips off Blue Jackets:

    http://deadspin.com/...

  • LI Phil | March 10, 2010 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”381260″]
    So let’s compare that to a team that uses thin borders on its numbers.

    A world of difference, eh?[/quote]

    right…the difference is the hawks’ looks good…

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”381265″][quote comment=”381260″]
    So let’s compare that to a team that uses thin borders on its numbers.

    A world of difference, eh?[/quote]

    right…the difference is the hawks’ looks good…[/quote]

    So these (which ARE thicker, btw) were bad? ;)
    http://www.usaplayer...

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 1:32 pm |

    These, though, ARE a tad much.
    But you’d sure get a big fat number if all one color.
    http://www.throwback...

  • girard31 | March 10, 2010 at 1:54 pm |

    I grew up in Saginaw, and can verify Eric’s take. It’s always been called “Saginaw High”, and they have a great basketball uni history, including shiny old gold unis in the 60’s.

    Other Saginaw schools had some interesting uni designs when I was growing up. Sts. Peter and Paul used to have a line running through the numbers on their jerseys, and St. Mary’s used to wear “Cathedral” on their jerseys to honor their parish’s position as the home church of the bishop.

  • War Damn Eagle | March 10, 2010 at 2:12 pm |

    So, is this the new home jersey for the Twins, or the old one?

    http://sports.yahoo....

    They’re so similar, I can’t tell the difference. They’ve been wearing the old pinstriped road pants for workouts, so I’m not sure if they’re using the new home unis, yet.

    Ricko?

  • JTH | March 10, 2010 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”381264″]Oregon senate candidate rips off Blue Jackets:

    http://deadspin.com/...
    So they flipped the logo and changed the flag from Ohio to some kind of US/Puerto Rico hybrid?

    Clever.

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 2:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”381269″]So, is this the new home jersey for the Twins, or the old one?

    http://sports.yahoo....

    They’re so similar, I can’t tell the difference. They’ve been wearing the old pinstriped road pants for workouts, so I’m not sure if they’re using the new home unis, yet.

    Ricko?[/quote]

    That’s regular uni, pretty sure. Twins’ history has been to not break out anything new (except maybe hats) until the regular season.

    —Ricko

  • JimWa | March 10, 2010 at 2:32 pm |

    I think there’s a grain of salt to be taken here, but interesting Hollywood Studio logo backstories to be found …

    http://www.asylum.co...

  • LI Phil | March 10, 2010 at 2:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”381266″]
    So these (which ARE thicker, btw) were bad? ;)
    http://www.usaplayer...

    honestly?

    yeah…i NEVER liked a mesh jersey, on anyone at anytime, and the silkscreened numbers look like crap…and we won’t even get into how bad the TVs look

    but i did like the giants with white pants

    i know you love the grays (and i admit, they’ve grown on me and they look more traditional)…but the whites were sharp

  • another Josh | March 10, 2010 at 3:04 pm |

    All those Iowa girls photos. They reminded me of when my mom showed me her North Polk High School yearbooks from the mid 1960’s. I’m not sure they were ever good enough to make it to the state tourney just down the road in Des Moines to be included in these photos.

    I wonder how many of the high schools mentioned in these pictures no longer exist, or have been merged into other schools. A lot of those towns mentioned are pretty small.

  • Ry Co 40 | March 10, 2010 at 3:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”381272″]I think there’s a grain of salt to be taken here, but interesting Hollywood Studio logo backstories to be found …

    http://www.asylum.co...

    i LOVE the block letters in the universal logo

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 3:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”381273″][quote comment=”381266″]
    So these (which ARE thicker, btw) were bad? ;)
    http://www.usaplayer...

    honestly?

    yeah…i NEVER liked a mesh jersey, on anyone at anytime, and the silkscreened numbers look like crap…and we won’t even get into how bad the TVs look

    but i did like the giants with white pants

    i know you love the grays (and i admit, they’ve grown on me and they look more traditional)…but the whites were sharp[/quote]

    Was only referencing width of red border on numbers….compared to the Black Hawk photos.

    My affection for the Giants grays is more based on the fact that stayed pretty damn true to both the home and roads, because they obviously are designed as throwbacks. Only someone totally ignorant of Giants’ uni history would fail to see that’s what they were after. If you want blue numbers on the road, fine, redesign the entire uni some. Don’t screw up a beautifully executed throwback. That flies in the face of everything we talk about here. And please don’t somebody bark about the helmet not being navy so that means they aren’t true throwbacks; had an actual royal been available in the ’50s I think we can assume they’d have worn it (okay, it might not have had sparklies, I’ll give you that, lol). Whatever, debating that point is getting tiresome. All you have to is LOOK at the unis to see they’re intended as a throwback.

    The LT era white pants set? Mesh, silk-screened jerseys notwithstanding, to me easily the best post-GGEP-set for the Giants. Not addressing the helmet logo, just the overall look.

    —Ricko

  • mmwatkin | March 10, 2010 at 3:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”381271″][quote comment=”381269″]So, is this the new home jersey for the Twins, or the old one?

    http://sports.yahoo....

    They’re so similar, I can’t tell the difference. They’ve been wearing the old pinstriped road pants for workouts, so I’m not sure if they’re using the new home unis, yet.

    Ricko?[/quote]

    That’s regular uni, pretty sure. Twins’ history has been to not break out anything new (except maybe hats) until the regular season.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I don’t know, Ricko. If you look at the “S” on “Twins”, it looks like the new duds.

  • Jack | March 10, 2010 at 3:49 pm |

    I dunno if anyone has pointed this out at all, but girls basketball is kind of a big deal in Iowa— moreso than in the rest of the country. This according to my Council Bluffs-raised mom and her brothers, anyway.

    I think it has something to do with that fact that (a) they played with those old girls rules a lot longer than everyone else so it became kind of a source of pride that they were the only ones doing it and (b) it’s Iowa. What else are you going to do on a winter Friday night?

    Good stuff though.

  • Jack | March 10, 2010 at 3:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”381190″]I grew up in Iowa (Urbandale ’84, Iowa ’89) and can vouch that girls basketball was HUGE back in the day.
    But I can’t believe you didn’t mention the most unique thing. See the first picture? Why are there players standing at the other end of the floor?
    Because until 1993, Iowa girls played six-on-six basketball. Each half had three offensive and defensive players. No one was allowed to cross half-court, the ball had to be passed across it. And you could only dribble two (or three?) times before you had to pass it.
    The Des Moines PBS affiliate did a special on it. http://bit.ly/aBGMwQ...

    Can you dig up that PBS special? That link is something else.

  • Andy | March 10, 2010 at 4:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”381277″][quote comment=”381271″][quote comment=”381269″]So, is this the new home jersey for the Twins, or the old one?

    http://sports.yahoo....

    They’re so similar, I can’t tell the difference. They’ve been wearing the old pinstriped road pants for workouts, so I’m not sure if they’re using the new home unis, yet.

    Ricko?[/quote]

    That’s regular uni, pretty sure. Twins’ history has been to not break out anything new (except maybe hats) until the regular season.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I don’t know, Ricko. If you look at the “S” on “Twins”, it looks like the new duds.[/quote]

    Correct, that is the new-for-2010 Twins script, meaning that is the new-for-2010 home uniform.

  • Dan Carpenter | March 10, 2010 at 4:24 pm |

    The Saginaw High uniforms have the word “High” on the front because of the many Saginaw schools. There are three major schools in Saginaw. The first being Saginaw High, the second being Saginaw Arthur Hill, and then Saginaw Heritage.

  • Ray Barrington | March 10, 2010 at 4:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”381281″]The Saginaw High uniforms have the word “High” on the front because of the many Saginaw schools. There are three major schools in Saginaw. The first being Saginaw High, the second being Saginaw Arthur Hill, and then Saginaw Heritage.[/quote]

    It seems 2 me it should be “THE HIGH” instead of just “HIGH.” I could see a uni along the lines of the old “THE CITY” S.F. Warriors jerseys…

  • JimWa | March 10, 2010 at 4:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”381279″][quote comment=”381190″]I grew up in Iowa (Urbandale ’84, Iowa ’89) and can vouch that girls basketball was HUGE back in the day.
    But I can’t believe you didn’t mention the most unique thing. See the first picture? Why are there players standing at the other end of the floor?
    Because until 1993, Iowa girls played six-on-six basketball. Each half had three offensive and defensive players. No one was allowed to cross half-court, the ball had to be passed across it. And you could only dribble two (or three?) times before you had to pass it.
    The Des Moines PBS affiliate did a special on it. http://bit.ly/aBGMwQ...

    Can you dig up that PBS special? That link is something else.[/quote]

    (been wasting more time than I probably should have trying to find “A Very Special Pearls Before Swine” … no doubt there is one out there … somewhere … oh, great Google, how you’ve failed me today)

  • Thomas Clark | March 10, 2010 at 4:31 pm |

    We always called Saginaw High, “Sagnasty.” But then again, I’m from Flint and not the ‘nasty.

  • LI Phil | March 10, 2010 at 4:34 pm |

    holy shit

    chuck norris is 70

    there was no surprise party

    he has never had a surprise birthday party…he can NEVER be surprised…EVER

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 4:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”381277″][quote comment=”381271″][quote comment=”381269″]So, is this the new home jersey for the Twins, or the old one?

    http://sports.yahoo....

    They’re so similar, I can’t tell the difference. They’ve been wearing the old pinstriped road pants for workouts, so I’m not sure if they’re using the new home unis, yet.

    Ricko?[/quote]

    That’s regular uni, pretty sure. Twins’ history has been to not break out anything new (except maybe hats) until the regular season.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I don’t know, Ricko. If you look at the “S” on “Twins”, it looks like the new duds.[/quote]

    Honestly didn’t look real close, was just saying they tend not to break out the new stuff, but perhaps they did on the home jerseys. The new roads certainly have surfaced yet.

    Personally, I think that home change was just to match an architectural imperative. When they went to build the sign for the new ball park, attaching the wordmark to vertical supports at fixed distances apart, they realized the spacing was a bit off. So they just adjusted the uni lettering to match the new sign. The sign was the first place the new spacing appeared, and it was at last six months later before any talk of changing the existing home uni wordmark surfaced.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | March 10, 2010 at 5:04 pm |

    so … wait

    you’re saying the twins changed their home jersey to match a sign on target field?

  • Andy | March 10, 2010 at 5:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”381286″][quote comment=”381277″][quote comment=”381271″][quote comment=”381269″]So, is this the new home jersey for the Twins, or the old one?

    http://sports.yahoo....

    They’re so similar, I can’t tell the difference. They’ve been wearing the old pinstriped road pants for workouts, so I’m not sure if they’re using the new home unis, yet.

    Ricko?[/quote]

    That’s regular uni, pretty sure. Twins’ history has been to not break out anything new (except maybe hats) until the regular season.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I don’t know, Ricko. If you look at the “S” on “Twins”, it looks like the new duds.[/quote]

    Honestly didn’t look real close, was just saying they tend not to break out the new stuff, but perhaps they did on the home jerseys. The new roads certainly have surfaced yet.

    Personally, I think that home change was just to match an architectural imperative. When they went to build the sign for the new ball park, attaching the wordmark to vertical supports at fixed distances apart, they realized the spacing was a bit off. So they just adjusted the uni lettering to match the new sign. The sign was the first place the new spacing appeared, and it was at last six months later before any talk of changing the existing home uni wordmark surfaced.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Well, they adjusted the spacing and redrew all the letters, too :-) More than architectural, if you ask me. ‘Round these parts, that’s called ‘getting a new logo.’

  • Kyle47 | March 10, 2010 at 5:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”381212″][quote comment=”381210″]I just thought I would share this. It is an example of TLOB (Team Logo On Back). This is the Beggs Demon football team out of Beggs, Oklahoma. The logo is a flaming trident. It is also used in place of NOB on their basketball unis as well.

    http://www.tulsaurba...

    Here is an example of the basketball TLOB

    http://www.tulsaurba...

    LB – where are you from? I played against Beggs in high school baseball.

  • Squiddie | March 10, 2010 at 5:23 pm |

    The documentary about Iowa Girls basketball is called More Than a Game: 6-on-6 Baskteball in Iowa. You can read about it here. There’s a small promo clip, but I don’t know if the whole show is online. It’s about an hour long. Worth watching if you can find it.

  • Tony Miller | March 10, 2010 at 5:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”381200″]damn…that “S#OB” should stand for “superscript number on back” (or else it should read sNOB = subscript name on back)[/quote]
    Is that like SNOB?
    (Hopefully that tag works.)

  • Tony Miller | March 10, 2010 at 5:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”381291″][quote comment=”381200″]damn…that “S#OB” should stand for “superscript number on back” (or else it should read sNOB = subscript name on back)[/quote]
    Is that like SNOB?
    (Hopefully that tag works.)[/quote]
    Dang. <sub> didn’t work.

  • LI Phil | March 10, 2010 at 5:41 pm |

    SNOB?

  • JTH | March 10, 2010 at 5:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”381293″]SNOB?[/quote]
    <sup>S</sup><sub>h</sub><sup>o</sup><sub>w<sub><sup>o</sup><sub>f<sub><sup>f</sup><sub>.</sub>

  • Thomas Clark | March 10, 2010 at 5:58 pm |

    With the talk of Saginaw High’s hoops uniforms I’m reminded of another Saginaw Valley Conference school that had a nickname in place of a real name/logo. Flint Northwestern High School had “N-Dub” on their baseball hats in 1998 and 1999. I have no photographic evidence of this, I really wish I did however.

  • JTH | March 10, 2010 at 5:59 pm |

    <fixed>

    <sup>S</sup><sub>h</sub><sup>o</sup><sub>w</sub><sup>o</sup><sub>f</sub><sup>f</sup><sub>.</sub>

    </fixed>

    (GrumbleGrumble Lousy no-more-preview-feature GrumbleGrumble…)

  • Ricko | March 10, 2010 at 6:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”381287″]so … wait

    you’re saying the twins changed their home jersey to match a sign on target field?[/quote]

    Granted, it’s a theory. Just saying that as I watched the sign go up I noticed the letter spacing was different (it went up VERY early to ID the consruction site, I imagine). So I looked at the current uniform wordmark, made some tickmarks to approximate the vertical supports and it appeared it didn’t translate totally, that to make it work there needed to be a couple little adjustments.

    Imagine affixing cutout logo letters to recreate that logo on a wrought iron fence, and discovering some things are a little askew, that where you need to attach something there is mostly space, not enough wrought iron to get the job done. You can’t move one of the posts, change the spacing of them. Would look terrible.

    So I thought maybe when the sign was being conceived/designed it was pointed out that there was a bit of asymetry in the wordmark, and they adjusted the lettering some. Seriously, guys, it is far more a minor tweak than a full-on redesign. Such minor alts occasionally have a practical reason behind them. Otherwise, on the face of it, why bother at all?

    —Ricko

  • KevinW | March 10, 2010 at 7:47 pm |

    Quick question: Would Nomar retire as a Red Sock or as a member of the Red Sox?

  • Billy | March 10, 2010 at 8:01 pm |

    No picture, but watching the Orioles/Pirates game tonight and the O’s have fixed their away jerseys. No more “Balttimore”. They have moved the “t” to the right of the placket so now it breaks with “Bal” on the left and “timore” to the right.

  • PK | March 10, 2010 at 8:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”381264″]Oregon senate candidate rips off Blue Jackets:

    http://deadspin.com/...

    …all gone now!!

  • Kevin Z. | March 10, 2010 at 8:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”381298″]Quick question: Would Nomar retire as a Red Sock or as a member of the Red Sox?[/quote]

    Member of the Red Sox. Video in the ESPN story had the caption “Nomar Retires as a Red Sox.” It drives me nuts to see/hear that.

  • LI Phil | March 10, 2010 at 9:02 pm |

    Showoff.

  • The Hemogoblin | March 10, 2010 at 9:14 pm |

    Oh god. You all have discovered HTML. Ohhhhhh no. This is not going to end well.

  • LI Phil | March 10, 2010 at 9:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”381304″]Oh god. You all have discovered HTML. Ohhhhhh no. This is not going to end well.[/quote]

    you can blame justin tolerable homerism for the above

    fortunately…only the tan boxes can use the advanced html…

  • JTH | March 10, 2010 at 9:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”381305″][quote comment=”381304″]Oh god. You all have discovered HTML. Ohhhhhh no. This is not going to end well.[/quote]

    you can blame justin tolerable homerism for the above

    fortunately…only the tan boxes can use the advanced html…[/quote]
    Yeah, we get bold, italics, anchor tags, strikethru, blockquote (which always attributes the quote to whoever’s posting the comment)…

  • Traxel | March 10, 2010 at 10:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”381306″][quote comment=”381305″][quote comment=”381304″]Oh god. You all have discovered HTML. Ohhhhhh no. This is not going to end well.[/quote]

    you can blame justin tolerable homerism for the above

    fortunately…only the tan boxes can use the advanced html…[/quote]
    Yeah, we get bold, italics, anchor tags, strikethru, blockquote (which always attributes the quote to whoever’s posting the comment)…[/quote]
    IF you have a clue about computers. When I took Fortran 77 in college they didn’t teach us bout this stuff.

  • Tony Miller | March 10, 2010 at 10:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”381263″]Seeing the Iowa pics from the 60’s reminds me that teams use to wear even numbers on home or white jerseys and odds on away or dark jerseys. Houston’s Phi Slamma Jammma the last one I remember. Anyone out there know why or have and answer??? Thanks[/quote]
    [quote comment=”381293″]SNOB?[/quote]
    That was the goal. And I think my HTML was correct, but I am neither Phil nor Paul.
    Nor anything else with a “P”.

  • JTH | March 10, 2010 at 10:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”381308″][quote comment=”381306″][quote comment=”381305″][quote comment=”381304″]Oh god. You all have discovered HTML. Ohhhhhh no. This is not going to end well.[/quote]

    you can blame justin tolerable homerism for the above

    fortunately…only the tan boxes can use the advanced html…[/quote]
    Yeah, we get bold, italics, anchor tags, strikethru, blockquote (which always attributes the quote to whoever’s posting the comment)…[/quote]
    IF you have a clue about computers. When I took Fortran 77 in college they didn’t teach us bout this stuff.[/quote]
    Oh, didn’t you see that special segment they had about HTML during the Olympics? I think it was on MSNBC…

  • =bg= | March 10, 2010 at 10:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”381187″]The turf shoes Rocky Blier was wearing in the photo posted a few days ago were by Acton. We wore them at our high school in Pittsburgh from ’79 season at least through the ’80 season. They were white canvas with a black canvas strap on each side in the form of an upside down V. Found this article to back up my fading memory. (paragraph 13-14)

    Where’s a photo of the Actons? In the late 70’s, early 80’s the Bengals always wore those. I heard they were used to play ‘broomball’ in in Canada.

    http://news.google.c...

    http://news.google.c...

  • LI Phil | March 10, 2010 at 10:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”381310″]
    Oh, didn’t you see that special segment they had about HTML during the Olympics? I think it was on MSNBC…[/quote]

    CNbC

  • Kaptain K | March 10, 2010 at 11:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”381264″]Oregon senate candidate rips off Blue Jackets:

    http://deadspin.com/...

    That’s too funny, especially considering the Rose Bowl! With this kind of move, the guy looks like he has great potential to fit right in.

    http://www.buy-ameri...

  • Traxel | March 10, 2010 at 11:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”381310″][quote comment=”381308″][quote comment=”381306″][quote comment=”381305″][quote comment=”381304″]Oh god. You all have discovered HTML. Ohhhhhh no. This is not going to end well.[/quote]

    you can blame justin tolerable homerism for the above

    fortunately…only the tan boxes can use the advanced html…[/quote]
    Yeah, we get bold, italics, anchor tags, strikethru, blockquote (which always attributes the quote to whoever’s posting the comment)…[/quote]
    IF you have a clue about computers. When I took Fortran 77 in college they didn’t teach us bout this stuff.[/quote]
    Oh, didn’t you see that special segment they had about HTML during the Olympics? I think it was on MSNBC…[/quote]
    I do know how to use all caps…
    CITY CABLE SUCKS @#$%&!!!!!!

    And how ironic, last night I did the TV play by play for the Three Rivers/Kankakee play-in game to the NJCAA national tournament. My employer? City friggggin Cable. Three Rivers won 90-75 BTW. That’s junior college basketball.

  • =bg= | March 10, 2010 at 11:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”381192″]Did you see the Under Armour ad on the cover of Sports Illustrated?

    http://masnsports.co...

    not a single Oriole logo that I can easily see[/quote]

    wow, that’s excessive even by Nike standards. Having said that, I think UA stuff is very cool, well made, and too expensive. So I’m glad an outlet opens fairly near me in one month.

  • Bob Loblaw | March 10, 2010 at 11:51 pm |

    http://img.photobuck...

    Croatian National Football Team???

  • Bob Loblaw | March 11, 2010 at 12:05 am |

    [quote comment=”381195″]this jersey could definitely build some DIY inspiration. so much to love about it:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    This one is SUHWEET. I lost the bidding on this and am still in the running for the UofTampa one (maroon)—I love these. If I could only track down one in Green Bay green w/ Hornung’s 5 on it— I’d probably wear that sucker everywhere!!!!

  • Bob Loblaw | March 11, 2010 at 12:11 am |

    [quote comment=”381223″][quote comment=”381214″][quote comment=”381201″][quote comment=”381195″]this jersey could definitely build some DIY inspiration. so much to love about it:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Agreed. Love the font, love the stripes. I’d make that if I could.

    Just for fun, move your cursor back and forth over the two small pictures just under the big photo. Very cool effect – the number looks like a beating heart.[/quote]

    Also shows that pre-NOB era numbers on back were larger than front numbers, typically 10″ and 12″, although older jerseys will have 8″ and 10″.

    With advent of NOB, back numbers often were dropped to 10″, making them same size as the front. Also made it look funny when a team decided to go without NOB but didn’t enlarge the back numbers to compensate for the blank “name space” at the top. Remember that particularly about Notre Dame for a few seasons.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    sometimes you can scale up the numbers a bit much though:

    http://www.lax.com/c...
    Ahhhh, good old Syracuse Lax!!! They went away from the very sweet blue/orange dating back to the 80’s in favor of this Nike sponsored craptastic orange explosions. ugh.

  • Bob Loblaw | March 11, 2010 at 12:25 am |

    [quote comment=”381273″][quote comment=”381266″]
    So these (which ARE thicker, btw) were bad? ;)
    http://www.usaplayer...

    honestly?

    yeah…i NEVER liked a mesh jersey, on anyone at anytime, and the silkscreened numbers look like crap…and we won’t even get into how bad the TVs look

    but i did like the giants with white pants

    i know you love the grays (and i admit, they’ve grown on me and they look more traditional)…but the whites were sharp[/quote]
    Yer right Phil… but the Giants looked that good in white pants because men like LT, Simms, Joe Morris, Harry Carson, Carl Banks,Geo.Martin,Gary Reasons et al graced them (hell, even Toast Patterson).

    The present day gun toting primadonnas could learn are few lessions from these guys –if only they were so inclined.

    (Get off my lawn!!)

  • Bob Loblaw | March 11, 2010 at 12:26 am |

    [quote comment=”381285″]holy shit

    chuck norris is 70

    there was no surprise party

    he has never had a surprise birthday party…he can NEVER be surprised…EVER[/quote]
    Anyone notice ‘good guys wear black’ has gotten some recent playtime on IFC?? First starring role, IIRC.

  • LI Phil | March 11, 2010 at 12:40 am |

    [quote comment=”381319″]
    Yer right Phil… but the Giants looked that good in white pants because men like LT, Simms, Joe Morris, Harry Carson, Carl Banks,Geo.Martin,Gary Reasons et al graced them (hell, even Toast Patterson).[/quote]

    wow…and elvis patterson reference…

    now i can go to bed happy

  • LI Phil | March 11, 2010 at 12:46 am |

    yup…i’ll always remember elvis this way…usually he wasn’t that close to a receiver or was on his backside

  • Terry D. | March 11, 2010 at 12:50 am |

    Going back to that North Texas jersey, this just comes to show you that screenprint is evil. With tackle twill, you can rip the letter off and place it in the right position. Plus you have the extra dimension.

  • Chuck | March 11, 2010 at 12:53 am |

    [quote comment=”381188″]Gotta love the Babe’s reaction to getting plunked. Brush it off and take your base. A lesson a lot of current MLBers need to learn.[/quote]

    Amen Hank! I am so sick of current players CRYING when a pitcher dares to throw inside!

  • KevinW | March 11, 2010 at 12:54 am |

    [quote comment=\”381290\”]The documentary about Iowa Girls basketball is called More Than a Game: 6-on-6 Baskteball in Iowa. You can read about it here. There\’s a small promo clip, but I don\’t know if the whole show is online. It\’s about an hour long. Worth watching if you can find it.[/quote]

    Hey squiddie, your comment on Sunday about V of Hesselink’s shirt sending Hull into administration made me curious about how much Hull’s shirts are right now. Turns out they are on sale for 10 pounds and getting his NOB costs as much as anyone else on the club. Even though I’m an Everton fan, I am sooo tempted to get one of these: http://www2.pictures...

  • Jon | March 11, 2010 at 1:10 am |

    [quote comment=”381234″]I know it’s been mentioned before, but there’s a set of Life photos for a story about Iowa Girls Basketball.

    Pleated (gusseted?) backs?

    NOS? (Name on shorts? Name on side of shorts?)

    The Coon Rapids girls are all about the stripes. (Yes, Minnesotans, they have their own Coon Rapids.)

    What? Not the Lady Cobras?[/quote]

    too late for anyone to comment, but I love the knee pads as part of the unis. 6 on 6, or otherwise, what sport used them?

  • Bob Loblaw | March 11, 2010 at 10:27 am |

    [quote comment=”381322″]yup…i’ll always remember elvis this way…usually he wasn’t that close to a receiver or was on his backside[/quote]
    Hell… that’s good for Toast. Some would say he didn’t deserve to play on the same field as jerry rice.

    and how can I forget Elvis Patterson when toast is my anti spam word at least once dai1y?

  • Bob Loblaw | March 11, 2010 at 10:29 am |

    [quote comment=”381325″][quote comment=\”381290\”]The documentary about Iowa Girls basketball is called More Than a Game: 6-on-6 Baskteball in Iowa. You can read about it here. There\’s a small promo clip, but I don\’t know if the whole show is online. It\’s about an hour long. Worth watching if you can find it.[/quote]

    Hey squiddie, your comment on Sunday about V of Hesselink’s shirt sending Hull into administration made me curious about how much Hull’s shirts are right now. Turns out they are on sale for 10 pounds and getting his NOB costs as much as anyone else on the club. Even though I’m an Everton fan, I am sooo tempted to get one of these: http://www2.pictures...
    Hell… n evermind Hull –if you want a really interesting and unique Premiership kit… drop a few quid on a Blackburn Rovers home top.
    best in show that. ;)

  • C Hall | March 11, 2010 at 2:58 pm |

    “Saginaw High School in Michigan has TNOB, but the weirder thing is what they have on the front. Anyone know the story behind that?”

    Saginaw High is known as just “The High” around the MidMichigan area

  • besty | March 11, 2010 at 11:16 pm |

    Thank you so much for the video of the Babe getting plunked. A player I used to coach a few years back was like the batting stance guy and could do most anybody’s stance also. Anyway he always incorporated Babe getting plunked into his routine saying he saw it one time and we never believed him about the reaction. Guess he was right. And he did it perfectly also.