Uni Watch Art Portfolio: The Charles Noerenberg Files

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When someone sends me a batch of childhood uniform artwork, we’re usually talking about 15 or 20 drawings at most. But Charles Noerenberg recently uploaded 133 pages’ worth of illustrations, many with multiple illos per page, that he created between the ages of 10 and 16 (1994-2000), and it’s a really impressive batch of work. He gives the back-story like so:

I grew up a huge sports fan, mainly football and baseball, and I was always obsessed with the team uniforms and logos. I had a bunch of those Hutch football uniforms for several teams (that’s me on the right) and I’d go everywhere dressed up as a player (or a Ghostbuster, or Turtle…). The one thing that always frustrated me was the lack of availability of the NFL team socks, which were my favorite element of the uniform. My mom was actually nice enough to sew me some, for teams like the Cowboys and Packers, that were like leggings I’d wear over a white sock.

Anyway, my other passion growing up was drawing. I was always doing it, whether at home or on the go. I had a little drawing kit I’d take everywhere, which consisted of paper and a box of markers/colored pencils. I drew sports figures almost exclusively — my favorite players, uniforms, concepts — and I was a detail freak. I loved all the uniform nuances, like the NFL shield, brand logos, patches, etc. So as you’ll see, my art is full of logo creep.

I drew avidly up until high school, when, for whatever reason, the passion left me. Now I am graphic designer and my work is done on computer, but some day I’d like to get back to my roots.

I’m pretty excited to finally have these all up on the web. I included shots of a little project I that started as Thanksgiving-break busywork. It involved creating a turkey from a paper plate, and I decided to make my turkey dressed like Troy Aikman. From this, I went on to create several team plates, some I finished as turkeys and some I left as just the uniform (which I thought looked good as-is).

As a bookend, here’s a shot from a couple of years ago, when my Bears sock dream was finally realized thanks to eBay.

Well. The turkey/plate drawings are fun, but a lot of Charles’s other stuff is at least as noteworthy. Here are of the ones I found most interesting:

• I like these NFL logo studies. Here a finished color version.

• Interesting that no football team ever tried to wrap sleeve stripes around the back like this.

• Also interesting that the Chargers have never put lightning bolts up the sides of their jersey (and let’s hope it stays that way).

• I’m surprised by how much I like this White Sox concept.

• You know how the Pats’ 1990s jersey had those alternating bands of blue? Here’s how it would look if the Packers tried something similar.

• The art set includes some cartoon-ish pieces, all of them featuring the same stubble-faced character competing in various sports.

• Charles also created his own imaginary football team, the Las Vegas Saguaros, which played in the Cactus Dome and had rather USFL-esque uniforms. He envisioned a hockey version of them as well.

And so on. It’s a great body of work — I strongly recommend clicking through the entire set.

And speaking of childhood logo artwork: Reader Andrew Fladeboe has taken things a step further. I’ll let him explain:

My friend from college and I have created our own sports league with logos to match. Something we both did when we were kids. We sell the logos on a variety of shirts. It’s not really a profit-making venture but more of a hobby.

We both went to RISD (Rhode Island School of Design) and were among the few avid sports fans there. I played for their club hockey team, the infamous Nads. I’m sure you’ve heard of our giant phallic mascot.

My friend who designed most of our T-shirt logos is a painter and fashion designer who has and pretty much only does sports-related art.

You can also see some of my own sports-related paintings on the right side of this page. And for good measure, here’s a cool photo of my dad’s high school football helmet.

Okay, so that sort of ventured beyond the realm of childhood logo art, but it’s still pretty cool. Thanks for sharing, Andrew.

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Culinary Corner: When I watched the Oscars on Sunday, I was watching them at the home of a friend who was throwing an Oscars party. He had asked everyone to contribute some food, so I thought for a bit about what I should bring, even though I knew all along that I’d probably end up bringing my old stand-by, the hors d’oeuvre that’s won me raves for years, the one that makes everyone happy and makes me look like a genius.

Three words, people: Bacon. Wrapped. Dates.

It’s super-easy: Buy yourself a one-pound pack of bacon (the slices should be as straight as possible, without any kinks or curves) and a 10-ounce container of pitted dates. Before opening the bacon, slice the pack in half crosswise, so the slices are now half their original length. Then remove the bacon from the plastic, peel off a half-length bacon strip, and place it on a cutting board. Place a date at one end of the bacon strip, roll the strip to encircle the date, place the finished treat on a rimmed baking sheet, and repeat. It’s like making pigs in a blanket, except you’re making dates in a pig. Or something like that.

Continue along until you run out of dates and/or bacon (the two amounts should come out almost exactly even). Drizzle liberally with balsamic vinegar and then pop the baking sheet into a 400ish-degree oven for about 25 minutes. Serve with toothpicks so guests can skewer the treats without getting their fingers greasy.

I realize it would have been more useful if I’d told you about this before the Oscars. But if there’s one thing I’ve learned over the years, it’s that there’s no bad time for bacon-wrapped dates. Serve them at your Final Four party, your St. Paddy’s Day party, your vernal equinox party, whatever. You’ll be glad you did, and your guests will be even gladder.

Giveaway Reminder: I’m giving away two classic old NFL LPs. Full details here.

House of Hearts Reminder: My continued thanks to those of you who’ve contributed to my House of Hearts Bonspiel sponsorship fund. If you can kick in a mere five bucks (or more, if you’re feeling generous), it’ll go to a worthy cause and help me earn my keep at the charity curling tournament where I’ll be competing later this month. Full details here.

Uni Watch News Ticker: A Phillies blog recently opined that a certain photo was “the greatest spring training photo ever,” and it’s hard to argue with them (major thanks to the pride eastern Pa., Amy Fritch). … Then again, I’m rather partial to this spring training photo (glassy-eyed, drooling thanks to Joe Plate). … Yesterday I mentioned that Auburn’s baseball team has six different caps. Now Benji Boyter informs me that Clemson has at least five, “plus I believe there is also a sixth cap, which is an orange hat with a purple brim, but I couldn’t find a pic anywhere and this may just be a figment of my imagination.” … Here’s a weird one: All the players on Rouen Baseball 76, a French team, wear 76 on the front of their jerseys, but they have their regular uni numbers on the back (interesting find by Jeremy Brahm). … Lance Berkman had to wear an NNOB scrub jersey on Friday, because his regular jersey was late or misplaced or something like that (with thanks to Brandon Hamburg). … Oklahoma’s baseball team wore northwestern-striped stirrups over the weekend (with thanks to Arin Mitchell). … The Brooklyn Cyclones have been holding a uni deisgn contest for local schoolchildren. Here are the finalists (with thanks to Terence Kearns). … Someone apparently had a cap very much like the current Rays cap years before the Rays were wearing that design. Can’t say I find this to be a particularly compelling mystery — could be a high school cap from Teton Prairie, or whatever, right? — but hey, knock yourselves out if you like (with thanks to Josh Coney). … If you’ve been dying to know the stories behind the Idaho Steelheads’ uni numbers, today’s your lucky day (with thanks to Mark Snider). … “I don’t know who this team was, but they wore a lot of stripes,” says Uni Watch Life magazine scholar Lance “Squiddie” Smith. “Those photos are from a set called ‘National Intercoll. Basketball.,'” dated March 1938. Some of the teams shown in the photos include Washburn, St. Ambrose, and Jordan so it must have been the 1938 NAIA Men’s Division 1 Basketball Tournament. There were a couple other good uniforms: Delta State (Mississippi) had their uni numbers in a delta (i.e., a triangle), and this team playing St. Ambrose had some great striped socks.” … Astros pitcher Bud Norris was busted yesterday for wearing a white glove on the mound (with thanks to Jason A. Chapman). … Ball State is still hassling a high school over appropriating its crummy logo (with thanks to Justin Howland). … No photo, but Advait Ramanan says Alex Ovechkin was wearing a Reebok undershirt with the NFL Equipment logo on it during an intermission in last night’s Caps/Stars game. … I’m getting lots more reports of MLB players wearing the new Gazoo helmets. At this point it mostly seems to be prospects with very high uni numbers — in other words, minor leaguers, which makes sense, because the S100 will be mandatory in the minors this year. Still trying to get more details from Rawlings — stay tuned. … Meanwhile, Matt Edwards says the new MLB 2010 video game includes an option to put a Gazoo on David Wright. … Here are the uniforms for the Kyoto Asto Dreams and the Hyogo Swing Smileys of the Girls Professional Baseball League in Japan, along with their mascot characters (courtesy of Jeremy Brahm, natch). … Steve K. was watching some old NFL footage and spotted Jets FB Dwayne Crutchfield wearing a non-standard NOB font. … John Muir reports that the logo for this year’s White House Easter Egg Roll features a jogging bunny (the cottontail sticking out through the shorts is a nice touch, no?).

 

180 comments to Uni Watch Art Portfolio: The Charles Noerenberg Files

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 7:46 am |

    Posted this photo last night as bit of a “trivia question” (but didn’t stay up late enough to confirm anyone’s replies). Who is this?
    http://farm5.static....

    Said his short career began and ended with the Dolphins, but that he got more media attention while with another team.

    It is, as a couple UWers correctly noted, John Stofa. The expansion Bengals traded a pair of draft choices to the Dolphins for him, and he was projected as the Bengals’ first QB. Didn’t work out that way when they drafted Greg Cook.

    Stofa played at University of Buffalo just before they gave up on college football, so I wonder if he wasn’t the last Bull to come into the NFL or AFL from that era of football at the school.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 8:06 am |

    Talk about geo-centric.

    Everything in that story on the link about the myserious “TB” hat centers on “What other Tampa Bay hat could it have been?” So Tampa Bay’s the center of the universe now? Geez.

    I first thought of Thunder Bay, for example, and I’m sure there are any number of towns, high schools, companies, or recreational softball teams in North America (or the world, for that matter) that might have used “TB” in a common serif font in a vanilla design on a generic navy blue baseball hat.

    The writer of that story seriously needs to broaden his field of vision a bit.

    —Ricko

  • Billy | March 9, 2010 at 8:06 am |

    Bud Norris is a member of the Houston Astros

  • Andy | March 9, 2010 at 8:27 am |

    So it seems that quite a few giants are wearing the stirrup version of the new socks, then? Seems the stirrups have the stripes closer to the (proper) center of the leg than the socks do.

  • LI Phil | March 9, 2010 at 8:27 am |

    really?

    don’t recall that one participating the captial one mascots challenge

  • War Damn Eagle | March 9, 2010 at 8:34 am |

    pic is from ’09, but it shows okie state wearing northwestern-striped stirrups, too, just like their rivals from oklahoma.

    http://images.morris...

  • The Jeff | March 9, 2010 at 8:45 am |

    [quote comment=”381007″]really?

    don’t recall that one participating the captial one mascots challenge[/quote]

    That guy must be nuts to go out on the ice without skates like that

  • Geeman | March 9, 2010 at 8:46 am |

    I assume all those teams that are wearing multiple caps (Clemson with 5 as reported here today, Auburn with 6 as reported yesterday) are getting the caps for free from the uniform makers. Because, you know, it would be crazy if schools were canceling non-revenue sports like track and field but using money for more caps and uniforms in other sports.

  • Elena | March 9, 2010 at 8:51 am |

    Baseball is still a non-revenue sport at most colleges. All the uniforms and caps are provided as part of the marketing deal with Nike or whomever. UNC-CHapel Hill has 3 different batting helmets this year. Navy for Fridays, Carolina blue for Saturdays and the dorky big-head white with blue brim for Sundays.

  • Jet | March 9, 2010 at 8:53 am |

    So when you root for Andrew’s club hockey team, you shout, “GO NADS!” Nice…

  • JAson | March 9, 2010 at 8:54 am |

    Check out the stirrups on at Davis & Elkins College!

    http://www.godandese...

  • LI Phil | March 9, 2010 at 8:54 am |

    [quote comment=”381011″]Baseball is still a non-revenue sport at most colleges in pittsburgh[/quote]

    (fixed)

    i KID i KID…

  • Jordan Sogn | March 9, 2010 at 8:56 am |

    [quote comment=”381008″]pic is from ’09, but it shows okie state wearing northwestern-striped stirrups, too, just like their rivals from oklahoma.

    http://images.morris...

    uh oh, pure bedlam to ensue!

  • War Damn Eagle | March 9, 2010 at 9:02 am |

    [quote comment=”381010″]I assume all those teams that are wearing multiple caps (Clemson with 5 as reported here today, Auburn with 6 as reported yesterday) are getting the caps for free from the uniform makers. Because, you know, it would be crazy if schools were canceling non-revenue sports like track and field but using money for more caps and uniforms in other sports.[/quote]

    Clemson’s caps are made by New Era (jerseys are Russell). Auburn’s caps are The Game (jerseys are Under Armour).

    So, Auburn has 6, Clemson has 5. Anyone know of other schools approaching that level of cap-fetish-ness?

    I don’t think you see more than 3 for schools that like to wear different caps.

    Even design-crazy Oregon had 1 cap when they unveiled their new jerseys last year:
    http://collegebaseba...

    http://www.goducks.c...

    They’ve since brought out some new caps, however:
    http://collegebaseba...

    http://baseballnw.fi...

  • War Damn Eagle | March 9, 2010 at 9:09 am |

    Miami has 5, i think:

    http://media.scout.c...

    http://assets.espn.g...

    http://farm1.static....

    http://3.bp.blogspot...

    and i’m pretty sure they have a hat that matches this alternate jersey with the pelican logo
    http://www.collegeje...

  • War Damn Eagle | March 9, 2010 at 9:10 am |

    make that 4 for the canes. i included 1 design twice.

  • not osama | March 9, 2010 at 9:12 am |

    Ricko,
    In regards to the Bradshaw/Blier cleats I have a theory that they are Riddell’s astro turf shoe. I am going to look through my Riddell ads and try to confirm this afternoon.

  • War Damn Eagle | March 9, 2010 at 9:15 am |

    Texas has 3, which I think is the right amount.

    Home white
    http://gohorns.com/c...

    Road gray
    http://media.scout.c...

    Alternate orange
    http://www.gatemen.o...

  • Original Jim | March 9, 2010 at 9:15 am |

    The local entry in the American Legion summer baseball league is Lowell Post 87, and the fronts of the jerseys read “Lowell” with 87 below it, similar to the French team’s uniforms.

    Each player has an individual number on the back.

  • War Damn Eagle | March 9, 2010 at 9:17 am |

    [quote comment=”381015″][quote comment=”381008″]pic is from ’09, but it shows okie state wearing northwestern-striped stirrups, too, just like their rivals from oklahoma.

    http://images.morris...

    uh oh, pure bedlam to ensue![/quote]

    Add A&M to the northwestern-strip sock club:

    http://blog.oregonli...

  • Joe Hilseberg | March 9, 2010 at 9:19 am |

    [quote comment=”381004″]Talk about geo-centric.

    Everything in that story on the link about the myserious “TB” hat centers on “What other Tampa Bay hat could it have been?” So Tampa Bay’s the center of the universe now? Geez.

    I first thought of Thunder Bay, for example, and I’m sure there are any number of towns, high schools, companies, or recreational softball teams in North America (or the world, for that matter) that might have used “TB” in a common serif font in a vanilla design on a generic navy blue baseball hat.

    The writer of that story seriously needs to broaden his field of vision a bit.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s the Blink 182 lead singer in the photo and my guess is that it’s a custom hat for drummer Travis Barker…explaining the TB.

    Those guys have a good sense of humor and it wouldn’t surprise me if they had them made up to rag on him a bit.

  • LI Phil | March 9, 2010 at 9:26 am |

    [quote comment=”381023″][quote comment=”381004″]Talk about geo-centric.

    Everything in that story on the link about the myserious “TB” hat centers on “What other Tampa Bay hat could it have been?” So Tampa Bay’s the center of the universe now? Geez.

    I first thought of Thunder Bay, for example, and I’m sure there are any number of towns, high schools, companies, or recreational softball teams in North America (or the world, for that matter) that might have used “TB” in a common serif font in a vanilla design on a generic navy blue baseball hat.

    The writer of that story seriously needs to broaden his field of vision a bit.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s the Blink 182 lead singer in the photo and my guess is that it’s a custom hat for drummer Travis Barker…explaining the TB.

    Those guys have a good sense of humor and it wouldn’t surprise me if they had them made up to rag on him a bit.[/quote]

    if you read the comments following that article, a couple people opine that it’s mark hoppus…but “the voice of reason” (commenter) says:

    Someone send a link to this over to the guys at the Uniwatch blog. Not to plug another site, but the folks there are usually spot-on with this kind of information. I’d be very interested to see what they had to say about it.

    ok folks…the gauntlet has been thrown down…

  • Beardface | March 9, 2010 at 9:31 am |

    [quote comment=”381020″]Texas has 3, which I think is the right amount.

    Home white
    http://gohorns.com/c...

    Road gray
    http://media.scout.c...

    Alternate orange
    http://www.gatemen.o...
    The right amount is 3?

    Nah, the right amount is 1 or 2. Anything more is overkill. 5 or 6? Come on. And really, who needs three?

    Then again, college baseball has devolved to the point where there are 10 uniform combinations, it only makes sense to have half as many hats…

    And we think College Football is bad…

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 9:31 am |

    [quote comment=”381019″]Ricko,
    In regards to the Bradshaw/Blier cleats I have a theory that they are Riddell’s astro turf shoe. I am going to look through my Riddell ads and try to confirm this afternoon.[/quote]

    I’d be a bit surprised if that’s so. Riddell rarely made anything without the signature Snug-Ties around the ankle. I still have a pair of the Riddell turf shoes (with the red sole), the only ones they made that I know of. I wore Riddells for both football and baseball, and had a certain brand loyalty to them for years of intramural and recreational sports after that.

    The label on the tongue of those mystery shoes is tough to read, so I don’t know who it could be. Label isn’t red, though, so that would appear to leave out Rawlings. I’m honestly clueless. Spalding, Brooks, Wilson, SpotBilt, Converse, Saucony, K-Swiss? Just don’t know. Shoe doesn’t have the identifying “look” of any of them.

    —Ricko

  • John Zajac | March 9, 2010 at 9:33 am |

    Re-post from last night:

    I’m not sure how many (well, more like if any) other teams have changed their color schemes for the MLB logo this season, but the Yankees have gone from Navy/White/Red to Navy/White/Silver.

    http://farm5.static....
    http://farm5.static....

    It looks good on the pinstripes…

    http://farm5.static....
    http://farm3.static....

    But it leads to uniform mismatches not only among teammates, but also from an individual players caps and jerseys.

    http://farm3.static....

    I don’t know if it will look as good on the road grey as it does on the pinstripes.

    Also, it looks like with all the players suiting up for spring training, they must have run out of undershirts for the Yankee greats, as Reggie wore a 2009 World Series mock under his jersey.

    http://farm3.static....

    Ah, the joys of spring training… sorry if it’s old news, but after a very quick search through the archives here and over at page 2 I didn’t see anything listed anywhere.

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 9:34 am |

    [quote comment=”381022″][quote comment=”381015″][quote comment=”381008″]pic is from ’09, but it shows okie state wearing northwestern-striped stirrups, too, just like their rivals from oklahoma.

    http://images.morris...

    uh oh, pure bedlam to ensue![/quote]

    Add A&M to the northwestern-strip sock club:

    http://blog.oregonli...

    I think Nebraska wore them several years ago, too.
    One of the first to bring them back, as I recall.

    —Ricko

  • Geeman | March 9, 2010 at 9:35 am |

    [quote comment=”381025″][quote comment=”381020″]Texas has 3, which I think is the right amount.

    Home white
    http://gohorns.com/c...

    Road gray
    http://media.scout.c...

    Alternate orange
    http://www.gatemen.o...
    The right amount is 3?

    Nah, the right amount is 1 or 2. Anything more is overkill. 5 or 6? Come on. And really, who needs three?

    Then again, college baseball has devolved to the point where there are 10 uniform combinations, it only makes sense to have half as many hats…

    And we think College Football is bad…[/quote]

    A home and a road cap is more than enough. If you want to fiddle, make the helmet different than both. For example, Carolina has a light blue cap with dark blue bill, and a white cap with a light blue bill, but the helmet is dark blue with a light blue bill. That’s more than enough.

  • War Damn Eagle | March 9, 2010 at 9:41 am |

    [quote comment=”381025″][quote comment=”381020″]Texas has 3, which I think is the right amount.

    Home white
    http://gohorns.com/c...

    Road gray
    http://media.scout.c...

    Alternate orange
    http://www.gatemen.o...
    The right amount is 3?

    Nah, the right amount is 1 or 2. Anything more is overkill. 5 or 6? Come on. And really, who needs three?

    Then again, college baseball has devolved to the point where there are 10 uniform combinations, it only makes sense to have half as many hats…

    And we think College Football is bad…[/quote]

    You’re entitled to your opinion. And I to mine.

  • Geeman | March 9, 2010 at 9:42 am |

    Auburn sure does have nice colors, though. Love the navy and orange.

  • Broadway Connie | March 9, 2010 at 9:45 am |

    Hold on. Time to sing the praises of Charles and Andrew – and hence Paul – on their completely deranged fabulous creations. C’mon, that Cowboys Thanksgiving plate?

  • Beardface | March 9, 2010 at 9:51 am |

    [quote comment=”381030″][quote comment=”381025″][quote comment=”381020″]Texas has 3, which I think is the right amount.

    Home white
    http://gohorns.com/c...

    Road gray
    http://media.scout.c...

    Alternate orange
    http://www.gatemen.o...
    The right amount is 3?

    Nah, the right amount is 1 or 2. Anything more is overkill. 5 or 6? Come on. And really, who needs three?

    Then again, college baseball has devolved to the point where there are 10 uniform combinations, it only makes sense to have half as many hats…

    And we think College Football is bad…[/quote]

    You’re entitled to your opinion. And I to mine.[/quote]
    Thats fine, and I completely understand that. But just to continue my point.

    Texas has white, grey, and orange hats, and they have the same color of jerseys. Why do you need all 3 hats? The grey cap is completely unnecessary. You can wear that orange cap with the grey uni and it’ll look much better than the grey cap with the grey uni. And the grey cap doesn’t go with any of the other jerseys, so why have it? (and if you really wanted to nitpick, why do they even have the white jersey, since the orange cap would also go well with that, too?)

    I just don’t see why these teams have 5 or 6 caps. Most of the time, the differences are either an alternate logo or slight change to the color scheme for the sake of change. Just stick with one and let that be that.

  • pru | March 9, 2010 at 9:52 am |

    [quote comment=”381016″][quote comment=”381010″]I assume all those teams that are wearing multiple caps (Clemson with 5 as reported here today, Auburn with 6 as reported yesterday) are getting the caps for free from the uniform makers. Because, you know, it would be crazy if schools were canceling non-revenue sports like track and field but using money for more caps and uniforms in other sports.[/quote]

    Clemson’s caps are made by New Era (jerseys are Russell). Auburn’s caps are The Game (jerseys are Under Armour).

    So, Auburn has 6, Clemson has 5. Anyone know of other schools approaching that level of cap-fetish-ness?

    I don’t think you see more than 3 for schools that like to wear different caps.

    Even design-crazy Oregon had 1 cap when they unveiled their new jerseys last year:
    http://collegebaseba...

    http://www.goducks.c...

    They’ve since brought out some new caps, however:
    http://collegebaseba...

    http://baseballnw.fi...

    Those “Big O” Oregon jerseys look like they are from the MLB turn ahead the clock collection. Also not a fan of the “Ducks” font on the others.

  • FormerDirtDart | March 9, 2010 at 9:56 am |

    oh come on people. Of course colleges need a multitude of caps. I mean, you can’t expect the schools to keep giving the same cap every year to boosters “contributing to the program”

  • Geeman | March 9, 2010 at 9:59 am |

    [quote comment=”381030″][quote comment=”381025″][quote comment=”381020″]Texas has 3, which I think is the right amount.

    Home white
    http://gohorns.com/c...

    Road gray
    http://media.scout.c...

    Alternate orange
    http://www.gatemen.o...
    The right amount is 3?

    Nah, the right amount is 1 or 2. Anything more is overkill. 5 or 6? Come on. And really, who needs three?

    Then again, college baseball has devolved to the point where there are 10 uniform combinations, it only makes sense to have half as many hats…

    And we think College Football is bad…[/quote]

    You’re entitled to your opinion. And I to mine.[/quote]

    I guess college ball teams don’t have spring training or BP caps, so if they want to be diverse they have to wear them during the actual games, unlike the major league clubs, which can diversify with spring training or BP. I can easiliy see AU with two or three caps mixing orange and navy (like Carolina does with navy and Carolina blue).

    What are AU’s helmets like?

  • interlockingtc | March 9, 2010 at 10:00 am |

    Andrew Fladeboe, among your many inspired designs, this one is especially brilliant…

    http://www.state-hoo...

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 10:02 am |

    (if this has been discussed previously, I apologize)

    Speaking of new logos…
    http://www.brandweek...

    Colle McVoy? Jeez, in a town renowned for its ad agencies, they are not regarded as a great design shop at all.

    Now I ask you, take out the word and the color swatch in the background and does that even remotely track as what it’s supposed to me? Don’t get me wrong, I love great abstractions, but this is just a swing-and-a-miss for me.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 10:08 am |

    [quote comment=”381034″][quote comment=”381016″][quote comment=”381010″]I assume all those teams that are wearing multiple caps (Clemson with 5 as reported here today, Auburn with 6 as reported yesterday) are getting the caps for free from the uniform makers. Because, you know, it would be crazy if schools were canceling non-revenue sports like track and field but using money for more caps and uniforms in other sports.[/quote]

    Clemson’s caps are made by New Era (jerseys are Russell). Auburn’s caps are The Game (jerseys are Under Armour).

    So, Auburn has 6, Clemson has 5. Anyone know of other schools approaching that level of cap-fetish-ness?

    I don’t think you see more than 3 for schools that like to wear different caps.

    Even design-crazy Oregon had 1 cap when they unveiled their new jerseys last year:
    http://collegebaseba...

    http://www.goducks.c...

    They’ve since brought out some new caps, however:
    http://collegebaseba...

    http://baseballnw.fi...

    Those “Big O” Oregon jerseys look like they are from the MLB turn ahead the clock collection. Also not a fan of the “Ducks” font on the others.[/quote]

    And don’t forget, the pinstripes on those unis are actually the words to the school song. How cool is THAT. (eyeroll)

    “How could you get caught flat-footed by that line drive, son?”
    “Sorry, coach, I was reading my pants.”

    —Ricko

  • Paul Lukas | March 9, 2010 at 10:12 am |

    [quote comment=”381027″]Re-post from last night:

    I’m not sure how many (well, more like if any) other teams have changed their color schemes for the MLB logo this season, but the Yankees have gone from Navy/White/Red to Navy/White/Silver.

    http://farm5.static....
    http://farm5.static....

    It looks good on the pinstripes…

    http://farm5.static....
    http://farm3.static....

    But it leads to uniform mismatches not only among teammates, but also from an individual players caps and jerseys.

    http://farm3.static....

    I don’t know if it will look as good on the road grey as it does on the pinstripes.

    Also, it looks like with all the players suiting up for spring training, they must have run out of undershirts for the Yankee greats, as Reggie wore a 2009 World Series mock under his jersey.

    http://farm3.static....

    Ah, the joys of spring training… sorry if it’s old news, but after a very quick search through the archives here and over at page 2 I didn’t see anything listed anywhere.[/quote]

    Exdellent catch. Don’t bother searching for other teams, though — the Yanks are the only team who’ve revised their MLB logo colors this season.

  • JTH | March 9, 2010 at 10:14 am |

    Am I the only one who saw this and immediately thought of Tom Tomorrow?

    Probably.

  • The Jeff | March 9, 2010 at 10:20 am |

    I’ll go ahead and chime in on the baseball hat discussion…

    I think 5 or 6 is definitely overkill, but I can see as many as 4 being reasonable. A typical team generally has 2 main colors plus the mandatory white and gray. So why not have a hat of each color?

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 10:21 am |

    [quote comment=”381041″]Am I the only one who saw this and immediately thought of Tom Tomorrow?

    Probably.[/quote]

    Different from this guy, I take it?
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    —Ricko

  • Jakob Wolf Neunzehn | March 9, 2010 at 10:32 am |

    Charles Noerenberg, you have some truly wonderful artwork there!

    If I rooted for the Broncos, this would be my computer’s new wallpaper:
    http://farm3.static....

    Very very nice Royals design:
    http://farm5.static....

    Interesting uni ideas for the Cowboys and Bears:
    http://farm5.static....
    http://farm5.static....

    Look, The Jeff, color vs. color!
    http://farm3.static....

    Oh, and Charles, your catcher’s eye view is just great. Thanks for sharing.

  • LI Phil | March 9, 2010 at 10:33 am |

    [quote comment=”381041″]
    Probably.[/quote]

    no…definitely

  • JimWa | March 9, 2010 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment=”381043″][quote comment=”381041″]Am I the only one who saw this and immediately thought of Tom Tomorrow?

    Probably.[/quote]

    Different from this guy, I take it?
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Made me think more of …

    http://scrapetv.com/...

  • Jakob Wolf Neunzehn | March 9, 2010 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment=”381043″][quote comment=”381041″]Am I the only one who saw this and immediately thought of Tom Tomorrow?

    Probably.[/quote]

    Different from this guy, I take it?
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I have a Tommy Tomorrow comic book. Actually he shares the spotlight with Adam Strange and Captain Comet…and the Space Cabby:
    http://goodcomics.co...

  • jp | March 9, 2010 at 10:39 am |

    If Phaneuf is introduced as the next captain of the team next fall — Sundin was 26 when he took the “C” for the 1997-98 season — he’ll likely do so at the same time the club introduces a new set of uniforms.

    The scuttlebutt in the industry is that the Leafs are seeking to alter their current home and away jerseys, adding a few more details, some piping and new personality to the uniforms that are among the dullest in the the league at the moment. The current uniforms were introduced after the lockout, while the club’s best look remains it’s third jersey, the predominantly white sweater with the vintage Leaf logo on the chest and blue shoulders.

  • JTH | March 9, 2010 at 10:49 am |

    [quote comment=”381045″][quote comment=”381041″]
    Probably.[/quote]

    no…definitely[/quote]
    Maybe I should have gone with this instead.

    Still not seeing it?

  • John Zajac | March 9, 2010 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment=”381040″][quote comment=”381027″]Re-post from last night:

    I’m not sure how many (well, more like if any) other teams have changed their color schemes for the MLB logo this season, but the Yankees have gone from Navy/White/Red to Navy/White/Silver.

    http://farm5.static....
    http://farm5.static....

    It looks good on the pinstripes…

    http://farm5.static....
    http://farm3.static....

    But it leads to uniform mismatches not only among teammates, but also from an individual players caps and jerseys.

    http://farm3.static....

    I don’t know if it will look as good on the road grey as it does on the pinstripes.

    Also, it looks like with all the players suiting up for spring training, they must have run out of undershirts for the Yankee greats, as Reggie wore a 2009 World Series mock under his jersey.

    http://farm3.static....

    Ah, the joys of spring training… sorry if it’s old news, but after a very quick search through the archives here and over at page 2 I didn’t see anything listed anywhere.[/quote]

    Exdellent catch. Don’t bother searching for other teams, though — the Yanks are the only team who’ve revised their MLB logo colors this season.[/quote]

    You can see in that fourth picture that the dugout jackets still have the old logo too. For a few days there was a new jacket for the Yankees that had white side panels on the body in addition to the sleeves. I wonder if that will have the navy/white/silver look instead. It’s gone from the mlb.com shop now sadly.

    If they don’t update that jacket (or the helmets as well), would that make them the first team to have two different colored logos on officially licensed on-field gear at the same time? Hopefully it takes care of itself for Opening Day, otherwise it would just look sloppy.

  • Kaptain K | March 9, 2010 at 11:01 am |

    [quote comment=”381007″]really?

    don’t recall that one participating the captial one mascots challenge[/quote]

    Oh, I remember that mascot participating in that competion; he was the one who was always “balls to the wall” in every event; he really stood out.

    Though he didn’t win, he still held his head high!

  • RS Rogers | March 9, 2010 at 11:03 am |

    [quote comment=”381036″]I guess college ball teams don’t have spring training or BP caps, so if they want to be diverse they have to wear them during the actual games, unlike the major league clubs, which can diversify with spring training or BP. I can easiliy see AU with two or three caps mixing orange and navy (like Carolina does with navy and Carolina blue).[/quote]

    This would make a lot more sense to me if collegiate on-field baseball caps were, you know, regularly sold in stores. They’re not. Even on most big college campuses, on-field caps are usually not sold in any numbers or consistency. I just don’t see marketing as a plausible driver of college ball cap variety. On-field caps are becoming a bigger deal for college baseball programs, but the average campus store or booster shop stocks and sells far more “fashion” caps and adjustables than on-field fitteds.

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 11:05 am |

    Speaking of SPAM Burgers (and we were yesterday)…

    Word around here is that SPAM has a new product coming out just in time for Thanksgiving…
    SPURKEY

    I’m sure Paul will have the details when available.

    —Ricko

  • Justin Bates | March 9, 2010 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”381032″]Hold on. Time to sing the praises of Charles and Andrew – and hence Paul – on their completely deranged fabulous creations. C’mon, that Cowboys Thanksgiving plate?[/quote]
    I’ll second that. Brilliant work, gentlemen.

  • LI Phil | March 9, 2010 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=”381049″][quote comment=”381045″][quote comment=”381041″]
    Probably.[/quote]

    no…definitely[/quote]
    Maybe I should have gone with this instead.

    Still not seeing it?[/quote]

    i must have my stupid cap on again…is this what ima sposed to see?

  • JTH | March 9, 2010 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”381055″][quote comment=”381049″][quote comment=”381045″][quote comment=”381041″]
    Probably.[/quote]

    no…definitely[/quote]
    Maybe I should have gone with this instead.

    Still not seeing it?[/quote]

    i must have my stupid cap on again…is this what ima sposed to see?[/quote]
    No.

    I dunno.

    It’s not one specific element, it was more just the general impression I got when I first saw that pic.

  • Scott Davis | March 9, 2010 at 11:11 am |

    Nice work, Charles. My favorite were the brilliant jersey plates.

  • JTH | March 9, 2010 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment=”381033″]Texas has white, grey, and orange hats, and they have the same color of jerseys. Why do you need all 3 hats? The grey cap is completely unnecessary. You can wear that orange cap with the grey uni and it’ll look much better than the grey cap with the grey uni. And the grey cap doesn’t go with any of the other jerseys, so why have it? (and if you really wanted to nitpick, why do they even have the white jersey, since the orange cap would also go well with that, too?)[/quote]
    OK, first thing: you’re right (hold on, I need to walk that one off… OK, now I’m ready). One cap is all that’s needed.

    And that applies to all levels of baseball. I can see why a team like the Tigers would have a separate road cap. But even the Indians and Phillies with their different caps for the fauxback alts are pushing it.

    Now as to the point about the gray/white Texas caps: those would probably look best when worn with orange jerseys. The crown of the cap would then match the pants.

  • JTH | March 9, 2010 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”381024″][quote comment=”381023″][quote comment=”381004″]Talk about geo-centric.

    Everything in that story on the link about the myserious “TB” hat centers on “What other Tampa Bay hat could it have been?” So Tampa Bay’s the center of the universe now? Geez.

    I first thought of Thunder Bay, for example, and I’m sure there are any number of towns, high schools, companies, or recreational softball teams in North America (or the world, for that matter) that might have used “TB” in a common serif font in a vanilla design on a generic navy blue baseball hat.

    The writer of that story seriously needs to broaden his field of vision a bit.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s the Blink 182 lead singer in the photo and my guess is that it’s a custom hat for drummer Travis Barker…explaining the TB.

    Those guys have a good sense of humor and it wouldn’t surprise me if they had them made up to rag on him a bit.[/quote]

    if you read the comments following that article, a couple people opine that it’s mark hoppus…but “the voice of reason” (commenter) says:

    Someone send a link to this over to the guys at the Uniwatch blog. Not to plug another site, but the folks there are usually spot-on with this kind of information. I’d be very interested to see what they had to say about it.

    ok folks…the gauntlet has been thrown down…[/quote]
    Tillamook Bay, Tyler Bluff, Templeton Brook, Turtle Beach…

    Tecmo Bowl?

  • Elena | March 9, 2010 at 11:30 am |

    As far as I know, Carolina has 2 home and 2 away caps. White with Carolina blue brim, Carolina blue with navy brim, all navy,and gray with Carolina blue brim [or navy brim–I never see them in away unis]. And they don’t give us boosters a different color cap each year. Always the same old navy one.

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 11:35 am |

    re: SF Giants striped socks, which look FAR better in today’s photos than in those previously seen….

    In 1947 the Giants abandoned the patriotic red, white and blue of the WWII and changed to black and orange, which they retain to this day.

    Check out the stirrups. Guess no one can say Giants don’t have striped socks in their black and orange era. Sweet.
    http://exhibits.base...

    —Ricko

  • stoops | March 9, 2010 at 11:43 am |

    For the record
    the University of Miami’s mascot is not a pelican
    but an ibis.
    Sebastian is his name.
    I did a painting of it for then Coach Larry Coker
    when i met him at my cousin’s wedding-could not be a nicer coach out there besides Coach Tressel.
    -Stoops

  • Juke Early | March 9, 2010 at 11:44 am |

    OK! nobody else? everyone too mature? That Phillies ST pic? Best Use of Plaid. Ever.

    I will work “non-revenue” custodially at that girl’s school.

  • Kyle@IU | March 9, 2010 at 11:46 am |

    now HERE is some great logo design. love how they spelled out “2010” (not sure bike week needs a logo, though…)

    Bike Week 2010

  • Michael | March 9, 2010 at 11:56 am |

    just thought I’d throw this out there. I was doing some reading on the UVA football message boards. There’s a lot of talk recently about uniforms with the new coach coming in (Mike London). As some of you know, the old coach, Al Groh, brought a lot of NFL style stuff to the uni-table. NFL style socks, the ‘goat horns’ on the helmets (like the Ravens) etc. Apparently, Mike London wants to reach out to new recruits with fashion – he’s apparently made a trip or two out west to meet with Nike about becoming Oregon-ized. He wants his players to pick the uniform combos and everything. Personally, I think this is cool, but I know a lot of people might be developing aneurysms.

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 12:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”381065″]just thought I’d throw this out there. I was doing some reading on the UVA football message boards. There’s a lot of talk recently about uniforms with the new coach coming in (Mike London). As some of you know, the old coach, Al Groh, brought a lot of NFL style stuff to the uni-table. NFL style socks, the ‘goat horns’ on the helmets (like the Ravens) etc. Apparently, Mike London wants to reach out to new recruits with fashion – he’s apparently made a trip or two out west to meet with Nike about becoming Oregon-ized. He wants his players to pick the uniform combos and everything. Personally, I think this is cool, but I know a lot of people might be developing aneurysms.[/quote]

    College is supposed to prepare people for life. And that includes members of the football team. When an institution begins to think it had best say, “Come play with us and you’ll get to choose your own uniform” it seems a bit at cross purposes with that mission.

    Why?

    Life doesn’t go out of it’s way to keep us entertained or from being bored or give us control of certain things just because we’d like control of them. There are things in life where we have to EARN to right to have a say-so. And this uniform-choosing thing seems to represent that, in a microcosmic sort of way. It isn’t a club you’re joining, it’s a football team. In many cases, you’re trading your skills for a college education. You don’t get to call the shots on a lot of things, and you shouldn’t expect to. Some things aren’t your job, or in your domain. Live with it.

    “Show up, learn, put in some effort, focus on the work and on the common goals, do your job and don’t be concerned with superficial things” is a much more valid life lesson than, “You’ll be accommodated, and we’ll make sure you don’t get bored.”

    At your first job, you probably aren’t going to get to pick your office, or the color of your desk chair. And no one’s going to come by every so often and ask, “Are we keeping this interesting enough for you?”

    Know what I mean?

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | March 9, 2010 at 12:32 pm |
  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 12:35 pm |

    Unless, of course, we believe the primary mission of college football programs is to supply the NFL with players, and to prepare athletes for potential professional careers…even if the potential is only in their own minds.

    In that case, then reality has nothing to do with it.

    —Ricko

  • FormerDirtDart | March 9, 2010 at 12:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”381061″]re: SF Giants striped socks, which look FAR better in today’s photos than in those previously seen….

    In 1947 the Giants abandoned the patriotic red, white and blue of the WWII and changed to black and orange, which they retain to this day.

    Check out the stirrups. Guess no one can say Giants don’t have striped socks in their black and orange era. Sweet.
    http://exhibits.base...

    —Ricko[/quote]
    are stirrups socks or stirrups?
    I wonder if the guys in the “pajama” pants are wearing stirrups, because everyone I can make out is. http://www.flickr.co...

  • The Jeff | March 9, 2010 at 12:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”381066″][quote comment=”381065″]just thought I’d throw this out there. I was doing some reading on the UVA football message boards. There’s a lot of talk recently about uniforms with the new coach coming in (Mike London). As some of you know, the old coach, Al Groh, brought a lot of NFL style stuff to the uni-table. NFL style socks, the ‘goat horns’ on the helmets (like the Ravens) etc. Apparently, Mike London wants to reach out to new recruits with fashion – he’s apparently made a trip or two out west to meet with Nike about becoming Oregon-ized. He wants his players to pick the uniform combos and everything. Personally, I think this is cool, but I know a lot of people might be developing aneurysms.[/quote]

    College is supposed to prepare people for life. And that includes

    members of the football team. When an institution begins to think it had best say, “Come play with us and you’ll get to choose your own uniform” it seems a bit at cross purposes with that mission.

    Why?

    Life doesn’t go out of it’s way to keep us entertained or from being bored or give us control of certain things just because we’d like control of them. There are things in life where we have to EARN to right to have a say-so. And this uniform-choosing thing seems to represent that, in a microcosmic sort of way. It isn’t a club you’re joining, it’s a football team. In many cases, you’re trading your skills for a college education. You don’t get to call the shots on a lot of things, and you shouldn’t expect to. Some things aren’t your job, or in your domain. Live with it.

    “Show up, learn, put in some effort, focus on the work and on the common goals, do your job and don’t be concerned with superficial things” is a much more valid life lesson than, “You’ll be accommodated, and we’ll make sure you don’t get bored.”

    At your first job, you probably aren’t going to get to pick your office, or the color of your desk chair. And no one’s going to come by every so often and ask, “Are we keeping this interesting enough for you?”

    Know what I mean?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yeah, “shut up and conform” is a great way to live life.

    The Real World sucks.

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 12:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”381069″][quote comment=”381061″]re: SF Giants striped socks, which look FAR better in today’s photos than in those previously seen….

    In 1947 the Giants abandoned the patriotic red, white and blue of the WWII and changed to black and orange, which they retain to this day.

    Check out the stirrups. Guess no one can say Giants don’t have striped socks in their black and orange era. Sweet.
    http://exhibits.base...

    —Ricko[/quote]
    are stirrups socks or stirrups?
    I wonder if the guys in the “pajama” pants are wearing stirrups, because everyone I can make out is. http://www.flickr.co...

    If you zoom in on the guy at the right in that photo, who appears to be wearing black full socks, you can see he’s wearing black socks under his stirrups (someone needs to have conversation with him, lol)

    So are the Giants issuing both striped stirrups and striped full socks? At first looked like only full socks. This set looks like far more players in stirrups.

    —Ricko

  • FormerDirtDart | March 9, 2010 at 12:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”381071″][quote comment=”381069″][quote comment=”381061″]re: SF Giants striped socks, which look FAR better in today’s photos than in those previously seen….

    In 1947 the Giants abandoned the patriotic red, white and blue of the WWII and changed to black and orange, which they retain to this day.

    Check out the stirrups. Guess no one can say Giants don’t have striped socks in their black and orange era. Sweet.
    http://exhibits.base...

    —Ricko[/quote]
    are stirrups socks or stirrups?
    I wonder if the guys in the “pajama” pants are wearing stirrups, because everyone I can make out is. http://www.flickr.co...

    If you zoom in on the guy at the right in that photo, who appears to be wearing black full socks, you can see he’s wearing black socks under his stirrups (someone needs to have conversation with him, lol)

    So are the Giants issuing both striped stirrups and striped full socks? At first looked like only full socks. This set looks like far more players in stirrups.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    that may be why I brought it up. I wonder if he is wear the black striped socks as his sanitaries?

  • JTH | March 9, 2010 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”381071″]So are the Giants issuing both striped stirrups and striped full socks? At first looked like only full socks. This set looks like far more players in stirrups.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    From what’s been posted here over the last few weeks, it’s both.

    But I’m about 99.9% certain that those are minor leauguers in that pic, not players from the big club.

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”381070″][quote comment=”381066″][quote comment=”381065″]just thought I’d throw this out there. I was doing some reading on the UVA football message boards. There’s a lot of talk recently about uniforms with the new coach coming in (Mike London). As some of you know, the old coach, Al Groh, brought a lot of NFL style stuff to the uni-table. NFL style socks, the ‘goat horns’ on the helmets (like the Ravens) etc. Apparently, Mike London wants to reach out to new recruits with fashion – he’s apparently made a trip or two out west to meet with Nike about becoming Oregon-ized. He wants his players to pick the uniform combos and everything. Personally, I think this is cool, but I know a lot of people might be developing aneurysms.[/quote]

    College is supposed to prepare people for life. And that includes

    members of the football team. When an institution begins to think it had best say, “Come play with us and you’ll get to choose your own uniform” it seems a bit at cross purposes with that mission.

    Why?

    Life doesn’t go out of it’s way to keep us entertained or from being bored or give us control of certain things just because we’d like control of them. There are things in life where we have to EARN to right to have a say-so. And this uniform-choosing thing seems to represent that, in a microcosmic sort of way. It isn’t a club you’re joining, it’s a football team. In many cases, you’re trading your skills for a college education. You don’t get to call the shots on a lot of things, and you shouldn’t expect to. Some things aren’t your job, or in your domain. Live with it.

    “Show up, learn, put in some effort, focus on the work and on the common goals, do your job and don’t be concerned with superficial things” is a much more valid life lesson than, “You’ll be accommodated, and we’ll make sure you don’t get bored.”

    At your first job, you probably aren’t going to get to pick your office, or the color of your desk chair. And no one’s going to come by every so often and ask, “Are we keeping this interesting enough for you?”

    Know what I mean?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yeah, “shut up and conform” is a great way to live life.

    The Real World sucks.[/quote]

    I did NOT say that.
    Period.
    I DESPISE the conformist mentality, always have. But I also understand what it’s like to be part of a team, and to play for coach who is, in fact, your boss in the deal, an experience I’d wager you’ve not had.

    I’m sorry you think the Real World sucks (because sometimes it does, especially today of all days for me it does). Welcome to reality. Sorry it isn’t just all cushy for you.

    There are times when stomping our feet and threatening to hold our breath until our faces turn blue because we aren’t getting your own way doesn’t work. Or doesn’t even apply.

    Nor should we expect life to be sure we’re having a good time.

    Knowing those realities is a HUGE part of living life.

    Sorry to those how can’t get their hands around that.

    —Ricko

  • FormerDirtDart | March 9, 2010 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”381073″][quote comment=”381071″]So are the Giants issuing both striped stirrups and striped full socks? At first looked like only full socks. This set looks like far more players in stirrups.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    From what’s been posted here over the last few weeks, it’s both.

    But I’m about 99.9% certain that those are minor leauguers in that pic, not players from the big club.[/quote]
    yeah, I guess the the photo set name should have been a clue “MiLB Camp – Day 1″ http://www.flickr.co...

  • LI Phil | March 9, 2010 at 1:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”381075″][quote comment=”381073″][quote comment=”381071″]So are the Giants issuing both striped stirrups and striped full socks? At first looked like only full socks. This set looks like far more players in stirrups.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    From what’s been posted here over the last few weeks, it’s both.

    But I’m about 99.9% certain that those are minor leauguers in that pic, not players from the big club.[/quote]
    yeah, I guess the the photo set name should have been a clue “MiLB Camp – Day 1″ http://www.flickr.co...

    wait…aren’t most of the MiLBers with the big club at this point — or are those the “low A” (like carolina league types) guys who know they won’t be joining the team this year…if ever?

  • Andy | March 9, 2010 at 1:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”381066″][quote comment=”381065″]just thought I’d throw this out there. I was doing some reading on the UVA football message boards. There’s a lot of talk recently about uniforms with the new coach coming in (Mike London). As some of you know, the old coach, Al Groh, brought a lot of NFL style stuff to the uni-table. NFL style socks, the ‘goat horns’ on the helmets (like the Ravens) etc. Apparently, Mike London wants to reach out to new recruits with fashion – he’s apparently made a trip or two out west to meet with Nike about becoming Oregon-ized. He wants his players to pick the uniform combos and everything. Personally, I think this is cool, but I know a lot of people might be developing aneurysms.[/quote]

    College is supposed to prepare people for life. And that includes

    members of the football team. When an institution begins to think it had best say, “Come play with us and you’ll get to choose your own uniform” it seems a bit at cross purposes with that mission.

    Why?

    Life doesn’t go out of it’s way to keep us entertained or from being bored or give us control of certain things just because we’d like control of them. There are things in life where we have to EARN to right to have a say-so. And this uniform-choosing thing seems to represent that, in a microcosmic sort of way. It isn’t a club you’re joining, it’s a football team. In many cases, you’re trading your skills for a college education. You don’t get to call the shots on a lot of things, and you shouldn’t expect to. Some things aren’t your job, or in your domain. Live with it.

    “Show up, learn, put in some effort, focus on the work and on the common goals, do your job and don’t be concerned with superficial things” is a much more valid life lesson than, “You’ll be accommodated, and we’ll make sure you don’t get bored.”

    At your first job, you probably aren’t going to get to pick your office, or the color of your desk chair. And no one’s going to come by every so often and ask, “Are we keeping this interesting enough for you?”

    Know what I mean?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    True, life doesn’t go out of its way to entertain you and you don’t get to pick your office, desk chair, yadayada, but you ARE allowed to pick what you wear at your first job. Joe Paterno sends the message to his student-athletes that you should show up on your first day with a white oxford, black tie and pristine suit with some leather wingtips, while Chip Kelly is telling his to show up in robot clown suits. With wings.

  • FormerDirtDart | March 9, 2010 at 1:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”381076″][quote comment=”381075″][quote comment=”381073″][quote comment=”381071″]So are the Giants issuing both striped stirrups and striped full socks? At first looked like only full socks. This set looks like far more players in stirrups.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    From what’s been posted here over the last few weeks, it’s both.

    But I’m about 99.9% certain that those are minor leauguers in that pic, not players from the big club.[/quote]
    yeah, I guess the the photo set name should have been a clue “MiLB Camp – Day 1″ http://www.flickr.co...

    wait…aren’t most of the MiLBers with the big club at this point — or are those the low a guys who know they won’t be joining the team this year…if ever?[/quote]
    I was just looking through some of the associated photo sets, and it would appear those are just the MiLB players. http://www.flickr.co...
    A big clue is the jerseys, kids with white font, big boy camp with orange

  • The Jeff | March 9, 2010 at 1:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”381074″]

    I did NOT say that.
    Period.
    I DESPISE the conformist mentality, always have. But I also understand what it’s like to be part of a team, and to play for coach who is, in fact, your boss in the deal, an experience I’d wager you’ve not had.

    I’m sorry you think the Real World sucks (because sometimes it does, especially today of all days for me it does). Welcome to reality. Sorry it isn’t just all cushy for you.

    There are times when stomping our feet and threatening to hold our breath until our faces turn blue because we aren’t getting your own way doesn’t work. Or doesn’t even apply.

    Nor should we expect life to be sure we’re having a good time.

    Knowing those realities is a HUGE part of living life.

    Sorry to those how can’t get their hands around that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The “I don’t like it, but that’s just how it is” attitude has never solved anything. Nevermind that the actual issue at hand is about letting college players pick their uniform combinations, which about equivalent to “You have to wear a tie, but it can be any color you want.”

    Of course, I wore Zubaz pants in high school in to get around a no jeans rule, and I had a nametag at work that had “Your Name Here” on it for about 6 months before the wrong manager noticed and made me change it… so, yeah, I’ve got my issues with work dress codes.

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 1:17 pm |

    True, life doesn’t go out of its way to entertain you and you don’t get to pick your office, desk chair, yadayada, but you ARE allowed to pick what you wear at your first job. Joe Paterno sends the message to his student-athletes that you should show up on your first day with a white oxford, black tie and pristine suit with some leather wingtips, while Chip Kelly is telling his to show up in robot clown suits. With wings.

    Well, depends on your first job. Very few UPS drivers get to think, “Let’s see….yes, blue today.” LOL

    But, your key point is spot on. Something to be said for teaching
    “Good Judgement with Regard to the Situation 101″. You don’t necessarily teach that with specifics…it’s more conceptual.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | March 9, 2010 at 1:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”381078″]
    I was just looking through some of the associated photo sets, and it would appear those are just the MiLB players. http://www.flickr.co...
    A big clue is the jerseys, kids with white font, big boy camp with orange[/quote]

    no, walt, i get that

    i was just under the impression (obviously wrong) that in the first week or so of training camp, all the rooks were getting a taste of coffee…i should have realized with all the levels of minor leagues, there wouldn’t be enough space for the guys who obviously won’t be with the team in april…of 2011 even

  • JTH | March 9, 2010 at 1:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”381081″][quote comment=”381078″]
    I was just looking through some of the associated photo sets, and it would appear those are just the MiLB players. http://www.flickr.co...
    A big clue is the jerseys, kids with white font, big boy camp with orange[/quote]

    no, walt, i get that

    i was just under the impression (obviously wrong) that in the first week or so of training camp, all the rooks were getting a taste of coffee…i should have realized with all the levels of minor leagues, there wouldn’t be enough space for the guys who obviously won’t be with the team in april…of 2011 even[/quote]
    I don’t think they’re necessarily low-A players, either. I’m pretty sure most (if not all) teams maintain spring training sites separate from the major league facilities.

    I believe the AA and AAA guys get grouped together as one big squad and all the A players are a another group.

    So, like, when the AA/AAA team is playing a home game, the A group is on the road and vice/versa.

    There’s gotta be someone reading the comments that played minor league ball who can set us straight.

  • JTH | March 9, 2010 at 1:26 pm |

    For the sake of clarification…

    I’m pretty sure most (if not all) *MLB* teams maintain *minor league* spring training sites separate from the major league facilities.

  • LarryB | March 9, 2010 at 1:34 pm |

    Nice work Charles, I have to check out more of the uploads of yours.

    Fun stuff for sure.

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 1:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”381079″][quote comment=”381074″]

    I did NOT say that.
    Period.
    I DESPISE the conformist mentality, always have. But I also understand what it’s like to be part of a team, and to play for coach who is, in fact, your boss in the deal, an experience I’d wager you’ve not had.

    I’m sorry you think the Real World sucks (because sometimes it does, especially today of all days for me it does). Welcome to reality. Sorry it isn’t just all cushy for you.

    There are times when stomping our feet and threatening to hold our breath until our faces turn blue because we aren’t getting your own way doesn’t work. Or doesn’t even apply.

    Nor should we expect life to be sure we’re having a good time.

    Knowing those realities is a HUGE part of living life.

    Sorry to those how can’t get their hands around that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The “I don’t like it, but that’s just how it is” attitude has never solved anything. Nevermind that the actual issue at hand is about letting college players pick their uniform combinations, which about equivalent to “You have to wear a tie, but it can be any color you want.”

    Of course, I wore Zubaz pants in high school in to get around a no jeans rule, and I had a nametag at work that had “Your Name Here” on it for about 6 months before the wrong manager noticed and made me change it… so, yeah, I’ve got my issues with work dress codes.[/quote]

    So a football uniform is some kind of freedom-killing, suppression-of-the-individual, dress code?

    And why should a college athlete EXPECT to choose his uniform combinations? Is NOT letting him do that some kind of horrible depravation of a basic human right?

    Who’d you rather coach?
    “I’m a player on the football team. Who the fuck am I to tell the coach and AD what we’ll wear? I got game film to study anyway.”
    “I expect to be consulted on the unis or I ain’t playin’ for your team.”

    Seriously.

    —Ricko

  • FormerDirtDart | March 9, 2010 at 1:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”381081″][quote comment=”381078″]
    I was just looking through some of the associated photo sets, and it would appear those are just the MiLB players. http://www.flickr.co...
    A big clue is the jerseys, kids with white font, big boy camp with orange[/quote]

    no, walt, i get that

    i was just under the impression (obviously wrong) that in the first week or so of training camp, all the rooks were getting a taste of coffee…i should have realized with all the levels of minor leagues, there wouldn’t be enough space for the guys who obviously won’t be with the team in april…of 2011 even[/quote]
    I’ll be honest, I had basically the same impression, until I saw these list Adam Rubin posted on the Mets today.
    Position Players: http://www.nydailyne...
    Pitchers: http://www.nydailyne...

  • Geeman | March 9, 2010 at 1:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”381058″][quote comment=”381033″]Texas has white, grey, and orange hats, and they have the same color of jerseys. Why do you need all 3 hats? The grey cap is completely unnecessary. You can wear that orange cap with the grey uni and it’ll look much better than the grey cap with the grey uni. And the grey cap doesn’t go with any of the other jerseys, so why have it? (and if you really wanted to nitpick, why do they even have the white jersey, since the orange cap would also go well with that, too?)[/quote]
    OK, first thing: you’re right (hold on, I need to walk that one off… OK, now I’m ready). One cap is all that’s needed.

    And that applies to all levels of baseball. I can see why a team like the Tigers would have a separate road cap. But even the Indians and Phillies with their different caps for the fauxback alts are pushing it.

    Now as to the point about the gray/white Texas caps: those would probably look best when worn with orange jerseys. The crown of the cap would then match the pants.[/quote]

    Cardinals, with their blue road and red home caps, are a good example of how to have more than one cap and still keep it tradish. I like that they have matching helmets, too. Get rid of the Sunday home cap with the bird, though. You got the birds on the jerseys and that’s all you need there.

  • Geeman | March 9, 2010 at 1:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”381060″]As far as I know, Carolina has 2 home and 2 away caps. White with Carolina blue brim, Carolina blue with navy brim, all navy,and gray with Carolina blue brim [or navy brim–I never see them in away unis]. And they don’t give us boosters a different color cap each year. Always the same old navy one.[/quote]

    But the helmet is the reverse of one of the caps; it’s navy with a Carolina blue brim.

  • Geeman | March 9, 2010 at 1:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”381066″][quote comment=”381065″]just thought I’d throw this out there. I was doing some reading on the UVA football message boards. There’s a lot of talk recently about uniforms with the new coach coming in (Mike London). As some of you know, the old coach, Al Groh, brought a lot of NFL style stuff to the uni-table. NFL style socks, the ‘goat horns’ on the helmets (like the Ravens) etc. Apparently, Mike London wants to reach out to new recruits with fashion – he’s apparently made a trip or two out west to meet with Nike about becoming Oregon-ized. He wants his players to pick the uniform combos and everything. Personally, I think this is cool, but I know a lot of people might be developing aneurysms.[/quote]

    College is supposed to prepare people for life. And that includes

    members of the football team. When an institution begins to think it had best say, “Come play with us and you’ll get to choose your own uniform” it seems a bit at cross purposes with that mission.

    Why?

    Life doesn’t go out of it’s way to keep us entertained or from being bored or give us control of certain things just because we’d like control of them. There are things in life where we have to EARN to right to have a say-so. And this uniform-choosing thing seems to represent that, in a microcosmic sort of way. It isn’t a club you’re joining, it’s a football team. In many cases, you’re trading your skills for a college education. You don’t get to call the shots on a lot of things, and you shouldn’t expect to. Some things aren’t your job, or in your domain. Live with it.

    “Show up, learn, put in some effort, focus on the work and on the common goals, do your job and don’t be concerned with superficial things” is a much more valid life lesson than, “You’ll be accommodated, and we’ll make sure you don’t get bored.”

    At your first job, you probably aren’t going to get to pick your office, or the color of your desk chair. And no one’s going to come by every so often and ask, “Are we keeping this interesting enough for you?”

    Know what I mean?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Amen, Ricko. How many uni combos did the national champs wear this year? Two. Has Oregon ever won a nationship championship? No.

  • LI Phil | March 9, 2010 at 1:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”381090″]Has Oregon ever won a nationship championship? No.[/quote]

    um…yeah they did

    but it was before ricko was born

    (1917)

  • Geeman | March 9, 2010 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”381091″][quote comment=”381090″]Has Oregon ever won a nationship championship? No.[/quote]

    um…yeah they did

    but it was before ricko was born

    (1917)[/quote]

    Doesn’t count since it was before the modern AP poll era. But if you count it, look at the unis they wore that year. Bet they didn’t have twenty weirdo combinations.

  • Geenf | March 9, 2010 at 2:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”381091″][quote comment=”381090″]Has Oregon ever won a nationship championship? No.[/quote]

    um…yeah they did

    but it was before ricko was born

    (1917)[/quote]

    Two years later, didn’t Hahvahd beat them in the Rose Bowl?

  • Josh | March 9, 2010 at 2:00 pm |

    Somebody stop Peter King! From his MMQB Mailbag:

    “• IT WOULDN’T BE ENOUGH, BUT I GUARANTEE YOU THE OWNERS HAVE THOUGHT OF IT. From Liam Carney of Dublin, Ireland: ‘With regards to the proposed lockout for 2010, can all 32 team owners, players union and the NFL agree to some sort of sponsorship for team jerseys? All 32 teams have a jersey sponsor (in profit sharing format, of course, due to advantages in certain markets). The NFL would control the pool of money received and bridge the rumored 18 percent gap between owners requests and players demands. Any residual balances leftover could be used to promote the game in various locations or to offset the silly costs of preseason games.'”

    I doubt uniform sponsors could amount to $1 billion per year, which is the gap between the two sides, roughly, now. But I’ll pass it along the next time I talk to one of the poohbahs involved in the talks. Thanks. Love your country, by the way.”

  • The Jeff | March 9, 2010 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”381085″]

    So a football uniform is some kind of freedom-killing, suppression-of-the-individual, dress code?

    And why should a college athlete EXPECT to choose his uniform combinations? Is NOT letting him do that some kind of horrible depravation of a basic human right?

    Who’d you rather coach?
    “I’m a player on the football team. Who the fuck am I to tell the coach and AD what we’ll wear? I got game film to study anyway.”
    “I expect to be consulted on the unis or I ain’t playin’ for your team.”

    Seriously.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’m of the belief that people will perform better if they’re allowed to be themselves. As a coach, I think I’d go with the approach of “you can pick your uniforms IF you perform well enough”. You need to be strict enough and disciplined enough to get the best results out of your players, that doesn’t mean you have to rule with an iron fist.

    We are talking about players that are being recruited and given scholarships and all that – that usually means the coach wants these players on his team. If letting them have a vote in whether or not the team wears blue pants or white pants next week is enough to make a prospective player choose your team instead of your rival, why not do it?

  • bourbon soaked idiot | March 9, 2010 at 2:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”381085″][quote comment=”381079″][quote comment=”381074″]

    I did NOT say that.
    Period.
    I DESPISE the conformist mentality, always have. But I also understand what it’s like to be part of a team, and to play for coach who is, in fact, your boss in the deal, an experience I’d wager you’ve not had.

    I’m sorry you think the Real World sucks (because sometimes it does, especially today of all days for me it does). Welcome to reality. Sorry it isn’t just all cushy for you.

    There are times when stomping our feet and threatening to hold our breath until our faces turn blue because we aren’t getting your own way doesn’t work. Or doesn’t even apply.

    Nor should we expect life to be sure we’re having a good time.

    Knowing those realities is a HUGE part of living life.

    Sorry to those how can’t get their hands around that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The “I don’t like it, but that’s just how it is” attitude has never solved anything. Nevermind that the actual issue at hand is about letting college players pick their uniform combinations, which about equivalent to “You have to wear a tie, but it can be any color you want.”

    Of course, I wore Zubaz pants in high school in to get around a no jeans rule, and I had a nametag at work that had “Your Name Here” on it for about 6 months before the wrong manager noticed and made me change it… so, yeah, I’ve got my issues with work dress codes.[/quote]

    So a football uniform is some kind of freedom-killing, suppression-of-the-individual, dress code?

    And why should a college athlete EXPECT to choose his uniform combinations? Is NOT letting him do that some kind of horrible depravation of a basic human right?

    Who’d you rather coach?
    “I’m a player on the football team. Who the fuck am I to tell the coach and AD what we’ll wear? I got game film to study anyway.”
    “I expect to be consulted on the unis or I ain’t playin’ for your team.”

    Seriously.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Mike London is the one living in the real world not Ricko. His job is to win football games. In order to win games he needs talent.

    London realizes that the world has changed and if he goes to UVA and tries to act like Joe Paterno he is not going to get the players. As long as London is working within the rules of the NCAA I think he is teaching theses kids a valuable lesson. Al Groh’s way didn’t work, let’s try something else.

    In the real world Ricko, if something doesn’t work, you need to figure out how to make it work or you will be out of a job.

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”381088″][quote comment=”381058″][quote comment=”381033″]Texas has white, grey, and orange hats, and they have the same color of jerseys. Why do you need all 3 hats? The grey cap is completely unnecessary. You can wear that orange cap with the grey uni and it’ll look much better than the grey cap with the grey uni. And the grey cap doesn’t go with any of the other jerseys, so why have it? (and if you really wanted to nitpick, why do they even have the white jersey, since the orange cap would also go well with that, too?)[/quote]
    OK, first thing: you’re right (hold on, I need to walk that one off… OK, now I’m ready). One cap is all that’s needed.

    And that applies to all levels of baseball. I can see why a team like the Tigers would have a separate road cap. But even the Indians and Phillies with their different caps for the fauxback alts are pushing it.

    Now as to the point about the gray/white Texas caps: those would probably look best when worn with orange jerseys. The crown of the cap would then match the pants.[/quote]

    Cardinals, with their blue road and red home caps, are a good example of how to have more than one cap and still keep it tradish. I like that they have matching helmets, too. Get rid of the Sunday home cap with the bird, though. You got the birds on the jerseys and that’s all you need there.[/quote]

    Absolutely. What most critics of the Cardinals’ road set (especially the navy hat) don’t realize is that it connects the uniform of the end of the Stan Musial era to everything that has followed it.

    Musial retired well before the current red hat came along. He never wore it a player.

    And there’s a sense of continuity, too. Bob Gibson, for example, wore both hats. In the ’64 WS were still wearing navy hats. By ’68 had switched to red hat only. Rest of uni virtually the same for both teams, though.

    Can’t think of another team that so perfectly combines and links two eras in one set of home and road uniforms.

    —Ricko

  • Dante | March 9, 2010 at 2:12 pm |

    - The Cincinnati Colts, a homage to the S.B. Stampede. No?
    Colts: http://state-hood.co...
    Stampede: http://www.logoserve...

    – Saw those Oregon unis this weekend (up close and personal if you will), thought the use of the fight song in the pinstripes was very cool. And the material the uniforms are made out of, very nice.

    – Two hats for my school: Scarlet and Navy. And we could probably get away with just wearing the navy one.

    – Let’s face it, college football is now more about the business than the football. If having zany uniforms can get you a few more looks from recruits, so be it. And selling a few more uniforms in the souvenir shop isn’t going to hurt either.

  • JimWa | March 9, 2010 at 2:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”381098″]- The Cincinnati Colts, a homage to the S.B. Stampede. No?
    Colts: http://state-hood.co...
    Stampede: http://www.logoserve...

    Not sure who the S.B. Stampede is/are, but I wouldn’t call it an homage, I’d call it a blatent rip off! Look at the lines. No doubt where the Colt came from.

    – Saw those Oregon unis this weekend (up close and personal if you will), thought the use of the fight song in the pinstripes was very cool. And the material the uniforms are made out of, very nice.

    – Two hats for my school: Scarlet and Navy. And we could probably get away with just wearing the navy one.

    – Let’s face it, college football is now more about the business than the football. If having zany uniforms can get you a few more looks from recruits, so be it. And selling a few more uniforms in the souvenir shop isn’t going to hurt either.[/quote]

  • JimWa | March 9, 2010 at 2:21 pm |

    where’d my comment go? I was saying not an homage – a blatent rip-off!!!

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 2:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”381096″][quote comment=”381085″][quote comment=”381079″][quote comment=”381074″]

    I did NOT say that.
    Period.
    I DESPISE the conformist mentality, always have. But I also understand what it’s like to be part of a team, and to play for coach who is, in fact, your boss in the deal, an experience I’d wager you’ve not had.

    I’m sorry you think the Real World sucks (because sometimes it does, especially today of all days for me it does). Welcome to reality. Sorry it isn’t just all cushy for you.

    There are times when stomping our feet and threatening to hold our breath until our faces turn blue because we aren’t getting your own way doesn’t work. Or doesn’t even apply.

    Nor should we expect life to be sure we’re having a good time.

    Knowing those realities is a HUGE part of living life.

    Sorry to those how can’t get their hands around that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The “I don’t like it, but that’s just how it is” attitude has never solved anything. Nevermind that the actual issue at hand is about letting college players pick their uniform combinations, which about equivalent to “You have to wear a tie, but it can be any color you want.”

    Of course, I wore Zubaz pants in high school in to get around a no jeans rule, and I had a nametag at work that had “Your Name Here” on it for about 6 months before the wrong manager noticed and made me change it… so, yeah, I’ve got my issues with work dress codes.[/quote]

    So a football uniform is some kind of freedom-killing, suppression-of-the-individual, dress code?

    And why should a college athlete EXPECT to choose his uniform combinations? Is NOT letting him do that some kind of horrible depravation of a basic human right?

    Who’d you rather coach?
    “I’m a player on the football team. Who the fuck am I to tell the coach and AD what we’ll wear? I got game film to study anyway.”
    “I expect to be consulted on the unis or I ain’t playin’ for your team.”

    Seriously.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Mike London is the one living in the real world not Ricko. His job is to win football games. In order to win games he needs talent.

    London realizes that the world has changed and if he goes to UVA and tries to act like Joe Paterno he is not going to get the players. As long as London is working within the rules of the NCAA I think he is teaching theses kids a valuable lesson. Al Groh’s way didn’t work, let’s try something else.

    In the real world Ricko, if something doesn’t work, you need to figure out how to make it work or you will be out of a job.[/quote]

    Thank you for telling me how the real world works. ;)

    Hey, I’m not saying LONDON’s wrong. I’m saying it sucks that it’s COME to that…that apparently part of the solution is pandering to 17-year-olds so they’ll like you.

    I simply prefer to think them learning such things aren’t in their purview is another of the ways to say, “Man up, grow up; life ain’t gonna ask your opinion on everything…and, what’s more, you shouldn’t expect it to.”

    That’s a far more valuable life lesson than, “You have a right to be accommodated”.

    Know why? Because the latter just flat-out isn’t true.

    —Ricko

  • Dante | March 9, 2010 at 2:28 pm |

    JimWa,
    Yeah. Just didn’t want to come out and say that. The Stampede were one of the names formally used by the Inland Empire 66’ers baseball franchise, in the California League. Trademarked image and all.

  • pru | March 9, 2010 at 2:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”381095″][quote comment=”381085″]

    So a football uniform is some kind of freedom-killing, suppression-of-the-individual, dress code?

    And why should a college athlete EXPECT to choose his uniform combinations? Is NOT letting him do that some kind of horrible depravation of a basic human right?

    Who’d you rather coach?
    “I’m a player on the football team. Who the fuck am I to tell the coach and AD what we’ll wear? I got game film to study anyway.”
    “I expect to be consulted on the unis or I ain’t playin’ for your team.”

    Seriously.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’m of the belief that people will perform better if they’re allowed to be themselves. As a coach, I think I’d go with the approach of “you can pick your uniforms IF you perform well enough”. You need to be strict enough and disciplined enough to get the best results out of your players, that doesn’t mean you have to rule with an iron fist.

    We are talking about players that are being recruited and given scholarships and all that – that usually means the coach wants these players on his team. If letting them have a vote in whether or not the team wears blue pants or white pants next week is enough to make a prospective player choose your team instead of your rival, why not do it?[/quote]

    What we do with our baseball program (HS in Indiana) is have a solid green adjustable hat for Freshmen/JV and a green with yellow brimmed fitted (with embroidered mascot on back) for varsity. You would be surprised at how much getting that fitted hat means to these kids.

    My point is, kids work hard in order to achieve a goal and it makes our program stronger. I might even look into putting a stipulation that our color jersey can only be worn _________________.

  • M.Princip | March 9, 2010 at 2:38 pm |

    Fantastic stuff from Norenberg and Flaeboe. But I got to say, Flaeboe’s friend/co-conspirator, Matt Ryan Miller’s got a very cool style. Is this the dude that won the Hawkeye’s logo contest? From what I remember, the logo C w/feather looks a lot like his style.

    Check it:
    http://thelionallian...

  • JimWa | March 9, 2010 at 2:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”381103″][quote comment=”381095″][quote comment=”381085″]

    So a football uniform is some kind of freedom-killing, suppression-of-the-individual, dress code?

    And why should a college athlete EXPECT to choose his uniform combinations? Is NOT letting him do that some kind of horrible depravation of a basic human right?

    Who’d you rather coach?
    “I’m a player on the football team. Who the fuck am I to tell the coach and AD what we’ll wear? I got game film to study anyway.”
    “I expect to be consulted on the unis or I ain’t playin’ for your team.”

    Seriously.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’m of the belief that people will perform better if they’re allowed to be themselves. As a coach, I think I’d go with the approach of “you can pick your uniforms IF you perform well enough”. You need to be strict enough and disciplined enough to get the best results out of your players, that doesn’t mean you have to rule with an iron fist.

    We are talking about players that are being recruited and given scholarships and all that – that usually means the coach wants these players on his team. If letting them have a vote in whether or not the team wears blue pants or white pants next week is enough to make a prospective player choose your team instead of your rival, why not do it?[/quote]

    What we do with our baseball program (HS in Indiana) is have a solid green adjustable hat for Freshmen/JV and a green with yellow brimmed fitted (with embroidered mascot on back) for varsity. You would be surprised at how much getting that fitted hat means to these kids.

    My point is, kids work hard in order to achieve a goal and it makes our program stronger. I might even look into putting a stipulation that our color jersey can only be worn _________________.[/quote]

    I think this is a tough situation for the coaches, and compare it to athletes’ decisions to use steriods. On it’s own, is that the best practice to make a strong team (letting the players choose the unis)? I don’t think so. But if every other coach in your league is doing it, you look like a jerk if you’re the one “stuck on tradition”. Right or wrong – sometimes you have to keep up with the Jones to keep your team’s respect.

  • pru | March 9, 2010 at 2:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”381105″][quote comment=”381103″][quote comment=”381095″][quote comment=”381085″]

    So a football uniform is some kind of freedom-killing, suppression-of-the-individual, dress code?

    And why should a college athlete EXPECT to choose his uniform combinations? Is NOT letting him do that some kind of horrible depravation of a basic human right?

    Who’d you rather coach?
    “I’m a player on the football team. Who the fuck am I to tell the coach and AD what we’ll wear? I got game film to study anyway.”
    “I expect to be consulted on the unis or I ain’t playin’ for your team.”

    Seriously.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’m of the belief that people will perform better if they’re allowed to be themselves. As a coach, I think I’d go with the approach of “you can pick your uniforms IF you perform well enough”. You need to be strict enough and disciplined enough to get the best results out of your players, that doesn’t mean you have to rule with an iron fist.

    We are talking about players that are being recruited and given scholarships and all that – that usually means the coach wants these players on his team. If letting them have a vote in whether or not the team wears blue pants or white pants next week is enough to make a prospective player choose your team instead of your rival, why not do it?[/quote]

    What we do with our baseball program (HS in Indiana) is have a solid green adjustable hat for Freshmen/JV and a green with yellow brimmed fitted (with embroidered mascot on back) for varsity. You would be surprised at how much getting that fitted hat means to these kids.

    My point is, kids work hard in order to achieve a goal and it makes our program stronger. I might even look into putting a stipulation that our color jersey can only be worn _________________.[/quote]

    I think this is a tough situation for the coaches, and compare it to athletes’ decisions to use steriods. On it’s own, is that the best practice to make a strong team (letting the players choose the unis)? I don’t think so. But if every other coach in your league is doing it, you look like a jerk if you’re the one “stuck on tradition”. Right or wrong – sometimes you have to keep up with the Jones to keep your team’s respect.[/quote]

    For new coaches maybe, but if you have a history of doing things correctly then winning will follow, and your players wont really care what they wear.

  • JimWa | March 9, 2010 at 2:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”381085″]

    For new coaches maybe, but if you have a history of doing things correctly then winning will follow, and your players wont really care what they wear.[/quote]

    In which case colleges with winning traditions need not make recruiting trips, send DVDs, take athletes out to dinner, send girls, give Hummers (made by GM – at least for now) … as long as they win, the best players will gravitate to them on their own.

  • LI Phil | March 9, 2010 at 2:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”381103″] our color jersey can only be worn _never__.[/quote]

    there ya go

  • JimWa | March 9, 2010 at 2:55 pm |

    Sorry, Ricko … didn’t mean to attribute that to you … just tryig to shorten the thread.

  • Geeman | March 9, 2010 at 3:02 pm |

    On the multiple uniforms and kids get to pick, two words, guys:

    ALABAMA.

    YANKEES.

    Even Oregon seemed to tone it down this year a bit, going with a blend of tradish and modern in its final few games, which I liked.

  • War Damn Eagle | March 9, 2010 at 3:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”381058″][quote comment=”381033″]Texas has white, grey, and orange hats, and they have the same color of jerseys. Why do you need all 3 hats? The grey cap is completely unnecessary. You can wear that orange cap with the grey uni and it’ll look much better than the grey cap with the grey uni. And the grey cap doesn’t go with any of the other jerseys, so why have it? (and if you really wanted to nitpick, why do they even have the white jersey, since the orange cap would also go well with that, too?)[/quote]
    OK, first thing: you’re right (hold on, I need to walk that one off… OK, now I’m ready). One cap is all that’s needed.

    And that applies to all levels of baseball. I can see why a team like the Tigers would have a separate road cap. But even the Indians and Phillies with their different caps for the fauxback alts are pushing it.

    Now as to the point about the gray/white Texas caps: those would probably look best when worn with orange jerseys. The crown of the cap would then match the pants.[/quote]

    Texas has done that for both the white and gray:

    http://img.coxnewswe...

    http://pictopia.com/...

    I don’t think 3 hats is odd, especially when you have the white hat and gray hat as 2 of the 3. Otherwise, I’d say no more than 2, if the hats are both a color other than white/gray.

    I think the white and gray hats have a strong history in baseball, and it’s colleges that continue the tradition of using them; they’ve lost their popularity with MLB clubs. But they were once very common:

    http://exhibits.base...

    http://exhibits.base...

    http://exhibits.base...

    http://exhibits.base...

    http://exhibits.base...

    http://exhibits.base...

  • PK | March 9, 2010 at 3:09 pm |

    Stealing Signs shirts!!!

    http://twitpic.com/1...

  • Squiddie | March 9, 2010 at 3:19 pm |

    Hey, great news. Today’s UniWatch Culinary Corner has received the North American Date Syndicate seal of approval. Keep up the good work

  • JimWa | March 9, 2010 at 3:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”381113″]Hey, great news. Today’s UniWatch Culinary Corner has received the North American Date Syndicate seal of approval. Keep up the good work[/quote]

    It’s always a good thing when your dates are approved by your NADS.

  • War Damn Eagle | March 9, 2010 at 3:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”381036″][quote comment=”381030″][quote comment=”381025″][quote comment=”381020″]Texas has 3, which I think is the right amount.

    Home white
    http://gohorns.com/c...

    Road gray
    http://media.scout.c...

    Alternate orange
    http://www.gatemen.o...
    The right amount is 3?

    Nah, the right amount is 1 or 2. Anything more is overkill. 5 or 6? Come on. And really, who needs three?

    Then again, college baseball has devolved to the point where there are 10 uniform combinations, it only makes sense to have half as many hats…

    And we think College Football is bad…[/quote]

    You’re entitled to your opinion. And I to mine.[/quote]

    I guess college ball teams don’t have spring training or BP caps, so if they want to be diverse they have to wear them during the actual games, unlike the major league clubs, which can diversify with spring training or BP. I can easiliy see AU with two or three caps mixing orange and navy (like Carolina does with navy and Carolina blue).

    What are AU’s helmets like?[/quote]

    Auburn only has 2 helmets. A white helmet that they wear only when wearing the white hat, and a navy helmet with the orange AU trimmed in white. They wear the navy helmet with any hat other than the white hat.

    http://blog.al.com/a...

    http://assets.sbnati...

    http://farm4.static....

    (click on photo gallery to see white helmet)
    http://auburntigers....

  • bourbon soaked idiot | March 9, 2010 at 3:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”381101″][quote comment=”381096″][quote comment=”381085″][quote comment=”381079″][quote comment=”381074″]

    I did NOT say that.
    Period.
    I DESPISE the conformist mentality, always have. But I also understand what it’s like to be part of a team, and to play for coach who is, in fact, your boss in the deal, an experience I’d wager you’ve not had.

    I’m sorry you think the Real World sucks (because sometimes it does, especially today of all days for me it does). Welcome to reality. Sorry it isn’t just all cushy for you.

    There are times when stomping our feet and threatening to hold our breath until our faces turn blue because we aren’t getting your own way doesn’t work. Or doesn’t even apply.

    Nor should we expect life to be sure we’re having a good time.

    Knowing those realities is a HUGE part of living life.

    Sorry to those how can’t get their hands around that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The “I don’t like it, but that’s just how it is” attitude has never solved anything. Nevermind that the actual issue at hand is about letting college players pick their uniform combinations, which about equivalent to “You have to wear a tie, but it can be any color you want.”

    Of course, I wore Zubaz pants in high school in to get around a no jeans rule, and I had a nametag at work that had “Your Name Here” on it for about 6 months before the wrong manager noticed and made me change it… so, yeah, I’ve got my issues with work dress codes.[/quote]

    So a football uniform is some kind of freedom-killing, suppression-of-the-individual, dress code?

    And why should a college athlete EXPECT to choose his uniform combinations? Is NOT letting him do that some kind of horrible depravation of a basic human right?

    Who’d you rather coach?
    “I’m a player on the football team. Who the fuck am I to tell the coach and AD what we’ll wear? I got game film to study anyway.”
    “I expect to be consulted on the unis or I ain’t playin’ for your team.”

    Seriously.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Mike London is the one living in the real world not Ricko. His job is to win football games. In order to win games he needs talent.

    London realizes that the world has changed and if he goes to UVA and tries to act like Joe Paterno he is not going to get the players. As long as London is working within the rules of the NCAA I think he is teaching theses kids a valuable lesson. Al Groh’s way didn’t work, let’s try something else.

    In the real world Ricko, if something doesn’t work, you need to figure out how to make it work or you will be out of a job.[/quote]

    Thank you for telling me how the real world works. ;)

    Hey, I’m not saying LONDON’s wrong. I’m saying it sucks that it’s COME to that…that apparently part of the solution is pandering to 17-year-olds so they’ll like you.

    I simply prefer to think them learning such things aren’t in their purview is another of the ways to say, “Man up, grow up; life ain’t gonna ask your opinion on everything…and, what’s more, you shouldn’t expect it to.”

    That’s a far more valuable life lesson than, “You have a right to be accommodated”.

    Know why? Because the latter just flat-out isn’t true.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    But to a large degree it is true as a graphic designer I could work for a small graphics house where I could wear cargo shorts and sneakers to work every day. Many of my friends do and they chose those jobs partly based on that. I happen to work for a large corporation and I have a dress code. But I knew that when I accepted the job, I took the job for other reasons and I was willing to follow the dress code. Everyone makes REAL WORLD decisions on where the work.

    A high school recruit my want to play for UVA or Oregon or he may choose to go to Notre Dame or Penn State. Everyone has to make choices based on what they want, it doesn’t mean the kids that go to Oregon or UVA don’t take football seriously

    London made a REAL WORLD decision on how he wants to run his program, Paterno made his own. Just because Mike London doesn’t run his football program the way Ricko wants doesn’t mean he is oblivious.

  • War Damn Eagle | March 9, 2010 at 3:32 pm |

    [quote comment=\”381111\”][quote comment=\”381058\”][quote comment=\”381033\”]Texas has white, grey, and orange hats, and they have the same color of jerseys. Why do you need all 3 hats? The grey cap is completely unnecessary. You can wear that orange cap with the grey uni and it\’ll look much better than the grey cap with the grey uni. And the grey cap doesn\’t go with any of the other jerseys, so why have it? (and if you really wanted to nitpick, why do they even have the white jersey, since the orange cap would also go well with that, too?)[/quote]
    OK, first thing: you\’re right (hold on, I need to walk that one off… OK, now I\’m ready). One cap is all that\’s needed.

    And that applies to all levels of baseball. I can see why a team like the Tigers would have a separate road cap. But even the Indians and Phillies with their different caps for the fauxback alts are pushing it.

    Now as to the point about the gray/white Texas caps: those would probably look best when worn with orange jerseys. The crown of the cap would then match the pants.[/quote]

    Texas has done that for both the white and gray:

    http://img.coxnewswe...

    http://pictopia.com/...

    I don\’t think 3 hats is odd, especially when you have the white hat and gray hat as 2 of the 3. Otherwise, I\’d say no more than 2, if the hats are both a color other than white/gray.

    http://www.texaslong...

    http://a.espncdn.com...

    They\’ve also worn the dark hat without wearing the orange jersey:

    http://cdn.bleacherr...

    And here\’s one I\’m not fond of: white hat, orange jersey, white pinstriped pants:

    http://media.photobu...

  • JTH | March 9, 2010 at 3:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”381097″]What most critics of the Cardinals’ road set (especially the navy hat) don’t realize is that it connects the uniform of the end of the Stan Musial era to everything that has followed it.

    Musial retired well before the current red hat came along. He never wore it a player.

    And there’s a sense of continuity, too. Bob Gibson, for example, wore both hats. In the ’64 WS were still wearing navy hats. By ’68 had switched to red hat only. Rest of uni virtually the same for both teams, though.
    Can’t think of another team that so perfectly combines and links two eras in one set of home and road uniforms.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Oh, right. The Cardinals were strictly thinking about history and tradition and linking past to present when they decided to bring back the navy caps.

    And I’m sure that when the bird-on-bat Sunday alt cap was introduced it was because the solid-red and solid-navy ones just weren’t traditional and past-linky enough.

    Pick a lane, fellas. One lid is enough.

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 3:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”381116″][quote comment=”381101″][quote comment=”381096″][quote comment=”381085″][quote comment=”381079″][quote comment=”381074″]

    I did NOT say that.
    Period.
    I DESPISE the conformist mentality, always have. But I also understand what it’s like to be part of a team, and to play for coach who is, in fact, your boss in the deal, an experience I’d wager you’ve not had.

    I’m sorry you think the Real World sucks (because sometimes it does, especially today of all days for me it does). Welcome to reality. Sorry it isn’t just all cushy for you.

    There are times when stomping our feet and threatening to hold our breath until our faces turn blue because we aren’t getting your own way doesn’t work. Or doesn’t even apply.

    Nor should we expect life to be sure we’re having a good time.

    Knowing those realities is a HUGE part of living life.

    Sorry to those how can’t get their hands around that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The “I don’t like it, but that’s just how it is” attitude has never solved anything. Nevermind that the actual issue at hand is about letting college players pick their uniform combinations, which about equivalent to “You have to wear a tie, but it can be any color you want.”

    Of course, I wore Zubaz pants in high school in to get around a no jeans rule, and I had a nametag at work that had “Your Name Here” on it for about 6 months before the wrong manager noticed and made me change it… so, yeah, I’ve got my issues with work dress codes.[/quote]

    So a football uniform is some kind of freedom-killing, suppression-of-the-individual, dress code?

    And why should a college athlete EXPECT to choose his uniform combinations? Is NOT letting him do that some kind of horrible depravation of a basic human right?

    Who’d you rather coach?
    “I’m a player on the football team. Who the fuck am I to tell the coach and AD what we’ll wear? I got game film to study anyway.”
    “I expect to be consulted on the unis or I ain’t playin’ for your team.”

    Seriously.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Mike London is the one living in the real world not Ricko. His job is to win football games. In order to win games he needs talent.

    London realizes that the world has changed and if he goes to UVA and tries to act like Joe Paterno he is not going to get the players. As long as London is working within the rules of the NCAA I think he is teaching theses kids a valuable lesson. Al Groh’s way didn’t work, let’s try something else.

    In the real world Ricko, if something doesn’t work, you need to figure out how to make it work or you will be out of a job.[/quote]

    Thank you for telling me how the real world works. ;)

    Hey, I’m not saying LONDON’s wrong. I’m saying it sucks that it’s COME to that…that apparently part of the solution is pandering to 17-year-olds so they’ll like you.

    I simply prefer to think them learning such things aren’t in their purview is another of the ways to say, “Man up, grow up; life ain’t gonna ask your opinion on everything…and, what’s more, you shouldn’t expect it to.”

    That’s a far more valuable life lesson than, “You have a right to be accommodated”.

    Know why? Because the latter just flat-out isn’t true.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    But to a large degree it is true as a graphic designer I could work for a small graphics house where I could wear cargo shorts and sneakers to work every day. Many of my friends do and they chose those jobs partly based on that. I happen to work for a large corporation and I have a dress code. But I knew that when I accepted the job, I took the job for other reasons and I was willing to follow the dress code. Everyone makes REAL WORLD decisions on where the work.

    A high school recruit my want to play for UVA or Oregon or he may choose to go to Notre Dame or Penn State. Everyone has to make choices based on what they want, it doesn’t mean the kids that go to Oregon or UVA don’t take football seriously

    London made a REAL WORLD decision on how he wants to run his program, Paterno made his own. Just because Mike London doesn’t run his football program the way Ricko wants doesn’t mean he is oblivious.[/quote]

    Can you read?
    Seriously.
    I specifically said, “I’m not saying LONDON’S wrong. I’m saying it sucks that’s it COME to that.”
    Scroll up.
    Read.
    Apologize.
    Period.

    I do when I misinterpret what someone says.
    Have many times.

    —Ricko

  • War Damn Eagle | March 9, 2010 at 3:37 pm |

    All that said, I still say Stanford has the best uni set in college baseball, and they wear only 1 hat (and have 3 unis – white, gray, and cardinal)

    http://images23.fotk...

    http://upload.wikime...

    http://graphics.fans...

    So I can see where people are coming from when they prefer the minimalist approach.

  • War Damn Eagle | March 9, 2010 at 3:42 pm |

    Rice is another school that has a minimal jersey set that looks great.

    http://graphics.fans...

  • LI Phil | March 9, 2010 at 3:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”381120″]All that said, I still say Stanford has the best uni set in college baseball, and they wear only 1 hat (and have 3 unis – white, gray, and cardinal) http://graphics.fans...
    [/quote]

    cardinal? looks like maroon to me

    and that’s a alt top, not a uniform, but your point is still well taken

  • JTH | March 9, 2010 at 3:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”381120″]All that said, I still say Stanford has the best uni set in college baseball, and they wear only 1 hat (and have 3 unis – white, gray, and cardinal)

    http://images23.fotk...

    http://upload.wikime...

    http://graphics.fans...

    So I can see where people are coming from when they prefer the minimalist approach.[/quote]
    I kind of appreciate the fact that they’ve stuck with the pullover jerseys, but I really don’t care for the way they look.

  • bourbon soaked idiot | March 9, 2010 at 4:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”381119″][quote comment=”381116″][quote comment=”381101″][quote comment=”381096″][quote comment=”381085″][quote comment=”381079″][quote comment=”381074″]

    I did NOT say that.
    Period.
    I DESPISE the conformist mentality, always have. But I also understand what it’s like to be part of a team, and to play for coach who is, in fact, your boss in the deal, an experience I’d wager you’ve not had.

    I’m sorry you think the Real World sucks (because sometimes it does, especially today of all days for me it does). Welcome to reality. Sorry it isn’t just all cushy for you.

    There are times when stomping our feet and threatening to hold our breath until our faces turn blue because we aren’t getting your own way doesn’t work. Or doesn’t even apply.

    Nor should we expect life to be sure we’re having a good time.

    Knowing those realities is a HUGE part of living life.

    Sorry to those how can’t get their hands around that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The “I don’t like it, but that’s just how it is” attitude has never solved anything. Nevermind that the actual issue at hand is about letting college players pick their uniform combinations, which about equivalent to “You have to wear a tie, but it can be any color you want.”

    Of course, I wore Zubaz pants in high school in to get around a no jeans rule, and I had a nametag at work that had “Your Name Here” on it for about 6 months before the wrong manager noticed and made me change it… so, yeah, I’ve got my issues with work dress codes.[/quote]

    So a football uniform is some kind of freedom-killing, suppression-of-the-individual, dress code?

    And why should a college athlete EXPECT to choose his uniform combinations? Is NOT letting him do that some kind of horrible depravation of a basic human right?

    Who’d you rather coach?
    “I’m a player on the football team. Who the fuck am I to tell the coach and AD what we’ll wear? I got game film to study anyway.”
    “I expect to be consulted on the unis or I ain’t playin’ for your team.”

    Seriously.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Mike London is the one living in the real world not Ricko. His job is to win football games. In order to win games he needs talent.

    London realizes that the world has changed and if he goes to UVA and tries to act like Joe Paterno he is not going to get the players. As long as London is working within the rules of the NCAA I think he is teaching theses kids a valuable lesson. Al Groh’s way didn’t work, let’s try something else.

    In the real world Ricko, if something doesn’t work, you need to figure out how to make it work or you will be out of a job.[/quote]

    Thank you for telling me how the real world works. ;)

    Hey, I’m not saying LONDON’s wrong. I’m saying it sucks that it’s COME to that…that apparently part of the solution is pandering to 17-year-olds so they’ll like you.

    I simply prefer to think them learning such things aren’t in their purview is another of the ways to say, “Man up, grow up; life ain’t gonna ask your opinion on everything…and, what’s more, you shouldn’t expect it to.”

    That’s a far more valuable life lesson than, “You have a right to be accommodated”.

    Know why? Because the latter just flat-out isn’t true.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    But to a large degree it is true as a graphic designer I could work for a small graphics house where I could wear cargo shorts and sneakers to work every day. Many of my friends do and they chose those jobs partly based on that. I happen to work for a large corporation and I have a dress code. But I knew that when I accepted the job, I took the job for other reasons and I was willing to follow the dress code. Everyone makes REAL WORLD decisions on where the work.

    A high school recruit my want to play for UVA or Oregon or he may choose to go to Notre Dame or Penn State. Everyone has to make choices based on what they want, it doesn’t mean the kids that go to Oregon or UVA don’t take football seriously

    London made a REAL WORLD decision on how he wants to run his program, Paterno made his own. Just because Mike London doesn’t run his football program the way Ricko wants doesn’t mean he is oblivious.[/quote]

    Can you read?
    Seriously.
    I specifically said, “I’m not saying LONDON’S wrong. I’m saying it sucks that’s it COME to that.”
    Scroll up.
    Read.
    Apologize.
    Period.

    I do when I misinterpret what someone says.
    Have many times.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I read what you wrote and I still don’t see why it sucks and what sort of “bad” message” Mike London is sending to kids. How exactly is he pandering?

    What sort of “life lesson” are the players missing out on by their coach asking for their feedback on uniform combinations.

    I’m sure it’s not going to be anarchy at UVA. Is the coach going to let the team vote on who starts and who doesn’t? Is the team going to vote on which assitant coaches are hired or fired?

  • War Damn Eagle | March 9, 2010 at 4:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”381122″][quote comment=”381120″]All that said, I still say Stanford has the best uni set in college baseball, and they wear only 1 hat (and have 3 unis – white, gray, and cardinal) http://graphics.fans...
    [/quote]

    cardinal? looks like maroon to me

    and that’s a alt top, not a uniform, but your point is still well taken[/quote]

    I’d agree with you that they’re maroon, but I figured I should call it “cardinal” lest some alum gets chippy b/c the school nickname is, you know, “Cardinal.”

  • Geeman | March 9, 2010 at 4:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”381120″]All that said, I still say Stanford has the best uni set in college baseball, and they wear only 1 hat (and have 3 unis – white, gray, and cardinal)

    http://images23.fotk...

    http://upload.wikime...

    http://graphics.fans...

    So I can see where people are coming from when they prefer the minimalist approach.[/quote]

    I do like Auburn’s colors, though. They could try the Stanford approach and do great. I’d ditch the pullovers, though.

  • Geeman | March 9, 2010 at 4:15 pm |

    For all those bashing Ricko, why don’t you let your kids run the household for a few days and see what comes of it?

    “Sure, you can eat all the candy you want, kids. Stay up till 3 in the morning playing video games and watching TV. Smoke, drink, whatever. Just want to make you happy. It’s all about you.”

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 4:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”381124″][quote comment=”381119″][quote comment=”381116″][quote comment=”381101″][quote comment=”381096″][quote comment=”381085″][quote comment=”381079″][quote comment=”381074″]

    I did NOT say that.
    Period.
    I DESPISE the conformist mentality, always have. But I also understand what it’s like to be part of a team, and to play for coach who is, in fact, your boss in the deal, an experience I’d wager you’ve not had.

    I’m sorry you think the Real World sucks (because sometimes it does, especially today of all days for me it does). Welcome to reality. Sorry it isn’t just all cushy for you.

    There are times when stomping our feet and threatening to hold our breath until our faces turn blue because we aren’t getting your own way doesn’t work. Or doesn’t even apply.

    Nor should we expect life to be sure we’re having a good time.

    Knowing those realities is a HUGE part of living life.

    Sorry to those how can’t get their hands around that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The “I don’t like it, but that’s just how it is” attitude has never solved anything. Nevermind that the actual issue at hand is about letting college players pick their uniform combinations, which about equivalent to “You have to wear a tie, but it can be any color you want.”

    Of course, I wore Zubaz pants in high school in to get around a no jeans rule, and I had a nametag at work that had “Your Name Here” on it for about 6 months before the wrong manager noticed and made me change it… so, yeah, I’ve got my issues with work dress codes.[/quote]

    So a football uniform is some kind of freedom-killing, suppression-of-the-individual, dress code?

    And why should a college athlete EXPECT to choose his uniform combinations? Is NOT letting him do that some kind of horrible depravation of a basic human right?

    Who’d you rather coach?
    “I’m a player on the football team. Who the fuck am I to tell the coach and AD what we’ll wear? I got game film to study anyway.”
    “I expect to be consulted on the unis or I ain’t playin’ for your team.”

    Seriously.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Mike London is the one living in the real world not Ricko. His job is to win football games. In order to win games he needs talent.

    London realizes that the world has changed and if he goes to UVA and tries to act like Joe Paterno he is not going to get the players. As long as London is working within the rules of the NCAA I think he is teaching theses kids a valuable lesson. Al Groh’s way didn’t work, let’s try something else.

    In the real world Ricko, if something doesn’t work, you need to figure out how to make it work or you will be out of a job.[/quote]

    Thank you for telling me how the real world works. ;)

    Hey, I’m not saying LONDON’s wrong. I’m saying it sucks that it’s COME to that…that apparently part of the solution is pandering to 17-year-olds so they’ll like you.

    I simply prefer to think them learning such things aren’t in their purview is another of the ways to say, “Man up, grow up; life ain’t gonna ask your opinion on everything…and, what’s more, you shouldn’t expect it to.”

    That’s a far more valuable life lesson than, “You have a right to be accommodated”.

    Know why? Because the latter just flat-out isn’t true.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    But to a large degree it is true as a graphic designer I could work for a small graphics house where I could wear cargo shorts and sneakers to work every day. Many of my friends do and they chose those jobs partly based on that. I happen to work for a large corporation and I have a dress code. But I knew that when I accepted the job, I took the job for other reasons and I was willing to follow the dress code. Everyone makes REAL WORLD decisions on where the work.

    A high school recruit my want to play for UVA or Oregon or he may choose to go to Notre Dame or Penn State. Everyone has to make choices based on what they want, it doesn’t mean the kids that go to Oregon or UVA don’t take football seriously

    London made a REAL WORLD decision on how he wants to run his program, Paterno made his own. Just because Mike London doesn’t run his football program the way Ricko wants doesn’t mean he is oblivious.[/quote]

    Can you read?
    Seriously.
    I specifically said, “I’m not saying LONDON’S wrong. I’m saying it sucks that’s it COME to that.”
    Scroll up.
    Read.
    Apologize.
    Period.

    I do when I misinterpret what someone says.
    Have many times.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I read what you wrote and I still don’t see why it sucks and what sort of “bad” message” Mike London is sending to kids. How exactly is he pandering?

    What sort of “life lesson” are the players missing out on by their coach asking for their feedback on uniform combinations.

    I’m sure it’s not going to be anarchy at UVA. Is the coach going to let the team vote on who starts and who doesn’t? Is the team going to vote on which assitant coaches are hired or fired?[/quote]

  • War Damn Eagle | March 9, 2010 at 4:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”381126″][quote comment=”381120″]All that said, I still say Stanford has the best uni set in college baseball, and they wear only 1 hat (and have 3 unis – white, gray, and cardinal)

    http://images23.fotk...

    http://upload.wikime...

    http://graphics.fans...

    So I can see where people are coming from when they prefer the minimalist approach.[/quote]

    I do like Auburn’s colors, though. They could try the Stanford approach and do great. I’d ditch the pullovers, though.[/quote]

    Auburn had a great uni set in the late 80s:
    Home
    http://bighurt35.com...

    Away
    http://assets.sbnati...

    One hat, two unis. Subtle use of orange for the hat logo and the front jersey number.

    The predominant look for the 90s was also a simple classic:
    Home
    http://www.flickr.co...

    http://www.flickr.co...

    http://www.autigers....

    The road jersey was identical to the home jersey, only gray. That’s it. 1 hat, 2 unis. A greater use of orange for the logo and numbers, but still a great look. Things went downhill in the 2000s.

  • bourbon soaked idiot | March 9, 2010 at 4:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”381127″]For all those bashing Ricko, why don’t you let your kids run the household for a few days and see what comes of it?

    “Sure, you can eat all the candy you want, kids. Stay up till 3 in the morning playing video games and watching TV. Smoke, drink, whatever. Just want to make you happy. It’s all about you.”[/quote]

    Mike London is NOT letting the kids run the program. He is getting feedback on the uniforms.

    Do you let your kids decide what they want to wear? Do you occasionally ask them what they would like for dinner? That’s a lot different than letting them stay up to 3 or smoke and drink. Letting kids make some of their own choices leads to happier well-adjusted adults.

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 4:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”381129″][quote comment=”381124″][quote comment=”381119″][quote comment=”381116″][quote comment=”381101″][quote comment=”381096″][quote comment=”381085″][quote comment=”381079″][quote comment=”381074″]

    I did NOT say that.
    Period.
    I DESPISE the conformist mentality, always have. But I also understand what it’s like to be part of a team, and to play for coach who is, in fact, your boss in the deal, an experience I’d wager you’ve not had.

    I’m sorry you think the Real World sucks (because sometimes it does, especially today of all days for me it does). Welcome to reality. Sorry it isn’t just all cushy for you.

    There are times when stomping our feet and threatening to hold our breath until our faces turn blue because we aren’t getting your own way doesn’t work. Or doesn’t even apply.

    Nor should we expect life to be sure we’re having a good time.

    Knowing those realities is a HUGE part of living life.

    Sorry to those how can’t get their hands around that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The “I don’t like it, but that’s just how it is” attitude has never solved anything. Nevermind that the actual issue at hand is about letting college players pick their uniform combinations, which about equivalent to “You have to wear a tie, but it can be any color you want.”

    Of course, I wore Zubaz pants in high school in to get around a no jeans rule, and I had a nametag at work that had “Your Name Here” on it for about 6 months before the wrong manager noticed and made me change it… so, yeah, I’ve got my issues with work dress codes.[/quote]

    So a football uniform is some kind of freedom-killing, suppression-of-the-individual, dress code?

    And why should a college athlete EXPECT to choose his uniform combinations? Is NOT letting him do that some kind of horrible depravation of a basic human right?

    Who’d you rather coach?
    “I’m a player on the football team. Who the fuck am I to tell the coach and AD what we’ll wear? I got game film to study anyway.”
    “I expect to be consulted on the unis or I ain’t playin’ for your team.”

    Seriously.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Mike London is the one living in the real world not Ricko. His job is to win football games. In order to win games he needs talent.

    London realizes that the world has changed and if he goes to UVA and tries to act like Joe Paterno he is not going to get the players. As long as London is working within the rules of the NCAA I think he is teaching theses kids a valuable lesson. Al Groh’s way didn’t work, let’s try something else.

    In the real world Ricko, if something doesn’t work, you need to figure out how to make it work or you will be out of a job.[/quote]

    Thank you for telling me how the real world works. ;)

    Hey, I’m not saying LONDON’s wrong. I’m saying it sucks that it’s COME to that…that apparently part of the solution is pandering to 17-year-olds so they’ll like you.

    I simply prefer to think them learning such things aren’t in their purview is another of the ways to say, “Man up, grow up; life ain’t gonna ask your opinion on everything…and, what’s more, you shouldn’t expect it to.”

    That’s a far more valuable life lesson than, “You have a right to be accommodated”.

    Know why? Because the latter just flat-out isn’t true.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    But to a large degree it is true as a graphic designer I could work for a small graphics house where I could wear cargo shorts and sneakers to work every day. Many of my friends do and they chose those jobs partly based on that. I happen to work for a large corporation and I have a dress code. But I knew that when I accepted the job, I took the job for other reasons and I was willing to follow the dress code. Everyone makes REAL WORLD decisions on where the work.

    A high school recruit my want to play for UVA or Oregon or he may choose to go to Notre Dame or Penn State. Everyone has to make choices based on what they want, it doesn’t mean the kids that go to Oregon or UVA don’t take football seriously

    London made a REAL WORLD decision on how he wants to run his program, Paterno made his own. Just because Mike London doesn’t run his football program the way Ricko wants doesn’t mean he is oblivious.[/quote]

    Can you read?
    Seriously.
    I specifically said, “I’m not saying LONDON’S wrong. I’m saying it sucks that’s it COME to that.”
    Scroll up.
    Read.
    Apologize.
    Period.

    I do when I misinterpret what someone says.
    Have many times.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I read what you wrote and I still don’t see why it sucks and what sort of “bad” message” Mike London is sending to kids. How exactly is he pandering?

    What sort of “life lesson” are the players missing out on by their coach asking for their feedback on uniform combinations.

    I’m sure it’s not going to be anarchy at UVA. Is the coach going to let the team vote on who starts and who doesn’t? Is the team going to vote on which assitant coaches are hired or fired?[/quote][/quote]
    [quote comment=”381129″][quote comment=”381124″][quote comment=”381119″][quote comment=”381116″][quote comment=”381101″][quote comment=”381096″][quote comment=”381085″][quote comment=”381079″][quote comment=”381074″]

    I did NOT say that.
    Period.
    I DESPISE the conformist mentality, always have. But I also understand what it’s like to be part of a team, and to play for coach who is, in fact, your boss in the deal, an experience I’d wager you’ve not had.

    I’m sorry you think the Real World sucks (because sometimes it does, especially today of all days for me it does). Welcome to reality. Sorry it isn’t just all cushy for you.

    There are times when stomping our feet and threatening to hold our breath until our faces turn blue because we aren’t getting your own way doesn’t work. Or doesn’t even apply.

    Nor should we expect life to be sure we’re having a good time.

    Knowing those realities is a HUGE part of living life.

    Sorry to those how can’t get their hands around that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The “I don’t like it, but that’s just how it is” attitude has never solved anything. Nevermind that the actual issue at hand is about letting college players pick their uniform combinations, which about equivalent to “You have to wear a tie, but it can be any color you want.”

    Of course, I wore Zubaz pants in high school in to get around a no jeans rule, and I had a nametag at work that had “Your Name Here” on it for about 6 months before the wrong manager noticed and made me change it… so, yeah, I’ve got my issues with work dress codes.[/quote]

    So a football uniform is some kind of freedom-killing, suppression-of-the-individual, dress code?

    And why should a college athlete EXPECT to choose his uniform combinations? Is NOT letting him do that some kind of horrible depravation of a basic human right?

    Who’d you rather coach?
    “I’m a player on the football team. Who the fuck am I to tell the coach and AD what we’ll wear? I got game film to study anyway.”
    “I expect to be consulted on the unis or I ain’t playin’ for your team.”

    Seriously.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Mike London is the one living in the real world not Ricko. His job is to win football games. In order to win games he needs talent.

    London realizes that the world has changed and if he goes to UVA and tries to act like Joe Paterno he is not going to get the players. As long as London is working within the rules of the NCAA I think he is teaching theses kids a valuable lesson. Al Groh’s way didn’t work, let’s try something else.

    In the real world Ricko, if something doesn’t work, you need to figure out how to make it work or you will be out of a job.[/quote]

    Thank you for telling me how the real world works. ;)

    Hey, I’m not saying LONDON’s wrong. I’m saying it sucks that it’s COME to that…that apparently part of the solution is pandering to 17-year-olds so they’ll like you.

    I simply prefer to think them learning such things aren’t in their purview is another of the ways to say, “Man up, grow up; life ain’t gonna ask your opinion on everything…and, what’s more, you shouldn’t expect it to.”

    That’s a far more valuable life lesson than, “You have a right to be accommodated”.

    Know why? Because the latter just flat-out isn’t true.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    But to a large degree it is true as a graphic designer I could work for a small graphics house where I could wear cargo shorts and sneakers to work every day. Many of my friends do and they chose those jobs partly based on that. I happen to work for a large corporation and I have a dress code. But I knew that when I accepted the job, I took the job for other reasons and I was willing to follow the dress code. Everyone makes REAL WORLD decisions on where the work.

    A high school recruit my want to play for UVA or Oregon or he may choose to go to Notre Dame or Penn State. Everyone has to make choices based on what they want, it doesn’t mean the kids that go to Oregon or UVA don’t take football seriously

    London made a REAL WORLD decision on how he wants to run his program, Paterno made his own. Just because Mike London doesn’t run his football program the way Ricko wants doesn’t mean he is oblivious.[/quote]

    Can you read?
    Seriously.
    I specifically said, “I’m not saying LONDON’S wrong. I’m saying it sucks that’s it COME to that.”
    Scroll up.
    Read.
    Apologize.
    Period.

    I do when I misinterpret what someone says.
    Have many times.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I read what you wrote and I still don’t see why it sucks and what sort of “bad” message” Mike London is sending to kids. How exactly is he pandering?

    What sort of “life lesson” are the players missing out on by their coach asking for their feedback on uniform combinations.

    I’m sure it’s not going to be anarchy at UVA. Is the coach going to let the team vote on who starts and who doesn’t? Is the team going to vote on which assitant coaches are hired or fired?[/quote][/quote]

    Again, I’m not talking about THAT coaches do it, I’m talking about the fact they feel they HAVE to do it.

    Honestly, we should think it’s perfectly okay that a kid who hasn’t finished high school, still lives at home, probably has never had a job, never attended a practice at your school, never attended a class at your school…assumes he should have some say in what your football uniform looks like?

    I’m talking about fostering and feeding this ridiculous sense of entitlement in athletes, which now is filtering down to the high schools.

    Of course a kid IS entitled to have an opinion on whether he likes a school’s uniform and if he would like to wear it. I’m saying it’s absurd that he should think that as a player he has a right to decide what the uni should be.

    Sure, some schools can offer that if they choose. But to EXPECT them to?

    Comes down to this. Is it a privilege to play for a school, or are you giving a school the privilege of playing for it?

    More and more it seems to be becoming the latter.

    Yes, all this ass-kissing of 17-year old seniors IS pandering to them and, on the face of it and on many other levels, it’s just insane.

    (And I did NOT say LONDON was doing that. I said that’s what coaches now FIND themselves doing. Please reread and think about what you’re reading, rather than what your response will be. Thank you.)

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 4:44 pm |

    Sorry about the multiple quoting of posts. Just turned on home PC and modem (among other things)was being skitzy for some reason.

    —Ricko

  • James Craven | March 9, 2010 at 4:53 pm |
  • LI Phil | March 9, 2010 at 5:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”381134″]Today’s Moment of Douchenozzling.[/quote]

    just out of curiosity, how is this worse than any of the douchenozzle bowls?

    or was this just a way of saying “here’s the latest on the newest bowl”?

  • Mike Engle | March 9, 2010 at 5:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”381135″][quote comment=”381134″]Today’s Moment of Douchenozzling.[/quote]

    just out of curiosity, how is this worse than any of the douchenozzle bowls?

    or was this just a way of saying “here’s the latest on the newest bowl”?[/quote]
    Each new bowl is worse than the rest, just because it’s ANOTHER bowl.
    (Enough already.)

  • JTH | March 9, 2010 at 5:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”381136″][quote comment=”381135″][quote comment=”381134″]Today’s Moment of Douchenozzling.[/quote]

    just out of curiosity, how is this worse than any of the douchenozzle bowls?

    or was this just a way of saying “here’s the latest on the newest bowl”?[/quote]
    Each new bowl is worse than the rest, just because it’s ANOTHER bowl.
    (Enough already.)[/quote]
    But this one’s prestigious. I guess you missed this part:
    The annual game will feature the Big East team with the third-best conference record against the Big 12 team with the sixth-best conference mark.

  • LI Phil | March 9, 2010 at 5:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”381137″][quote comment=”381136″][quote comment=”381135″][quote comment=”381134″]Today’s Moment of Douchenozzling.[/quote]

    just out of curiosity, how is this worse than any of the douchenozzle bowls?

    or was this just a way of saying “here’s the latest on the newest bowl”?[/quote]
    Each new bowl is worse than the rest, just because it’s ANOTHER bowl.
    (Enough already.)[/quote]
    But this one’s prestigious. I guess you missed this part:
    The annual game will feature the Big East team with the third-best conference record against the Big 12 team with the sixth-best conference mark.[/quote]

    right…and it’s sure to be in good weather too

    not only does it feature two teams with (likely) 6-6 records squaring off, it’s great for the alumni of both schools and the coaches, who can use it as a recruiting tool: “we went to the inaugural douchenozzle bowl”…because we weren’t good enough to make it to the other 32 douchenozzle bowls

    and our kids get to pick the unis, not nike

  • James Craven | March 9, 2010 at 6:01 pm |

    And let’s not forget it’s being held over 24 hours before Dick Clark drops his big ball on Times Square…

    (Find the hidden double entandre, win a virtual cookie!)

  • M. Sullivan | March 9, 2010 at 6:02 pm |

    Okay, I figured if anybody knew the answer to this question it would be you guys. Here it is: Does anybody know where to get some nice striped stirrups for my high school baseball team? Any help would be much appreciated.

  • James Craven | March 9, 2010 at 6:04 pm |

    Check your local sporting goods store. Twin City makes some nice ones.

  • Paul Lukas | March 9, 2010 at 6:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”381140″]Okay, I figured if anybody knew the answer to this question it would be you guys. Here it is: Does anybody know where to get some nice striped stirrups for my high school baseball team? Any help would be much appreciated.[/quote]

    I’m already sending this guy straight to RPM.

  • Paul Lukas | March 9, 2010 at 6:08 pm |

    Coupla other things:

    1) The tone of the cap discussion is getting a bit overheated. At ease, please.

    2) Can’t fucking believe nobody has had one solitary word to say about today’s culinary top. Come on, people — bacon-wrapped dates, for sweet baby jesus’s sake!

  • LI Phil | March 9, 2010 at 6:11 pm |

    ok…the next time i have a date

    i’ll be sure to wrap her in bacon

  • M. Sullivan | March 9, 2010 at 6:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”381141″]Check your local sporting goods store. Twin City makes some nice ones.[/quote]
    I’ve looked around a little. Found really no good looking ones around my usual stores. There are only a couple of fake stirrups and, sadly, none with any horizontal stripes.

  • LarryB | March 9, 2010 at 6:16 pm |

    The talk above about Oregon football uniform history. I did not see it linked offhand so here is Michael Princip’s super Oregon Duck Rose Bowl and uniform history.

    http://www.greenglar...

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 6:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”381136″][quote comment=”381135″][quote comment=”381134″]Today’s Moment of Douchenozzling.[/quote]

    just out of curiosity, how is this worse than any of the douchenozzle bowls?

    or was this just a way of saying “here’s the latest on the newest bowl”?[/quote]
    Each new bowl is worse than the rest, just because it’s ANOTHER bowl.
    (Enough already.)[/quote]

    Serious point to debate: How is teams playing in this bowl, overall, essentially different from Wofford going, say, 0-1 in the Big Dance and heading home? Because they have a chance to maybe go 1-1?

    They aren’t really a contender, why do we pretend they are? At least the bowl system doesn’t get into that phony baloney spin about “Cinderella stories.”

    Not arguing against a football playoff, because nobody is silly enough to suggest a 64-team football playoff, so that isn’t the subject AT ALL.

    Just saying that even the minor bowls have their place…as things are presently constituted. And that they, in effect, serve a function similar to the first, and possibly second, roud of March Madness…seeing as football really can be played only once a week, and that one football game burns a weekend and a stadium, whereas mutliple basketball games with multiple teams can be played in one weekend in one venue.

    35 bowls game involve 70 teams.
    NCAA basketball tourney 64.

    Yet everyone LOVES the basketball tournament, and says the lesser bowls suck.

    Yeah, I know more teams play hoops. Gee, ya think there might be a REASON for that? Smaller rosters, far less equipment expense…of course smaller schools have a better chance against larger ones than they do in football.

    All the more reason the templates for football and basketball differ so vastly.

    —Ricko

  • James Craven | March 9, 2010 at 6:25 pm |

    Finally, we found the guy who made those bullpen and helmet carts. He also did Bob Hope’s personal golf cart as well:

    Korky’s Kustom Karts.

  • James Craven | March 9, 2010 at 6:27 pm |

    Let’s try again:

    Korky’s Kustom Karts.

  • LarryB | March 9, 2010 at 6:32 pm |

    Like many I love Bacon. I could be stuffed but if I smell bacon cooking I want some. Bacon wrapped steak filets are great and bacon on a burger great too.

    But not a fan of dates.

  • Paul Lukas | March 9, 2010 at 6:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”381150″]But not a fan of dates.[/quote]

    Me neither. That’s the beauty part! When you wrap them in bacon and drizzle them with balsamic vinegar, the combo of sweet, savory, and acidic all works amazingly well together.

  • LI Phil | March 9, 2010 at 6:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”381147″]Serious point to debate: How is teams playing in this bowl, overall, essentially different from Wofford going, say, 0-1 in the Big Dance and heading home? Because they have a chance to maybe go 1-1?
    [/quote]

    why not just expand the tournament to 96 teams?

    why not just make enough bowls so that EVERYONE get to go?

    you launched into several diabtribes today (points of which i absolutely agreed with) about the entitlement of youth and whatnot

    isn’t giving everyone a ribbon for showing up pretty much what adding bowls or teams to the tourney doing? rewarding mediocrity?

    the bowl system, which i ended up defending one weekend, is a joke because the lot of them are virtually meaningless, but at least a playoff would determine an overall champeen…at the expense of the major bowls, yes, but we’d finally have a REAL #1

    but adding additional bowls so the sixth worst team in the big 12 gets to go? are you serious? and what’s the reward for the alumni? sit outside in a freezing cold stadium for 3 hours?

    that’s not, im sure, what the alumni and the colleges had in mind when they came up with the first few bowls in the early part of the last century

    you rant about (rightly so) the entitlement mentality of 17 year old kids getting to dictate the uniform they will wear, but isn’t this just an entitlement mentality for the alums? waaaahhhh…we suck, so we better get to go to a bowl…because if we do, it’s justification that our alumni dollars are actually working — not ya know, actually educating the youth who followed us or building a super new atom smasher, because, god knows, the money and the prestige all lie in getting to the douchenozzle bowl

    don’t add any more bowls and don’t expand the tourney…neither are special anymore, but any specialness of actually MAKING the dance or a bowl that is left is now becoming a “everyone deserves a ribbon for playing” joke

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 6:57 pm |

    Oh, we don’t need a slug more bowls, that’s for sure. One more I can live with…because, frankly, another will probably disappear soon anyway (law of averages).

    Just saying based on numbers (70-64) it really isn’t that much different than the hoops…in a current football template sort of way.

    And, as you say, isn’t winning the Upper Lower Valley Conference title and then having your head handed to you in first round of the NCAA just another version of getting a ribbon?

    In football there’s a chance they’ll end the season with a win, that’s all. Otherwise, almost six of one…

    —Ricko

  • LarryB | March 9, 2010 at 7:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”381151″][quote comment=”381150″]But not a fan of dates.[/quote]

    Me neither. That’s the beauty part! When you wrap them in bacon and drizzle them with balsamic vinegar, the combo of sweet, savory, and acidic all works amazingly well together.[/quote]

    You know after I hit enter I thought I bet it would make me like them. When I say not a big fan of dates I do not mean they are something I spit out after having it in my mouth. I hate coconut and any food or candy that has a trace of it I will spit out.

    But the dates I bet would be worth a try with bacon of course.

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 7:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”381151″][quote comment=”381150″]But not a fan of dates.[/quote]

    Me neither. That’s the beauty part! When you wrap them in bacon and drizzle them with balsamic vinegar, the combo of sweet, savory, and acidic all works amazingly well together.[/quote]

    Exactly. I’d no more pull a salmon out of Lake Michigan, clean it and start gnawing on one of the filets than fly straight up. But sushi is great.

    Similar analogy for Carpaccio.

    —Ricko

  • DenverGregg | March 9, 2010 at 7:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”381151″][quote comment=”381150″]But not a fan of dates.[/quote]

    Me neither. That’s the beauty part! When you wrap them in bacon and drizzle them with balsamic vinegar, the combo of sweet, savory, and acidic all works amazingly well together.[/quote]
    One friend makes this per your recipe and another uses figs in place of dates. Both very tasty appetizers. The fig dish isn’t quite as sweet.

  • JTH | March 9, 2010 at 7:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”381143″]Coupla other things:

    1) The tone of the cap discussion is getting a bit overheated. At ease, please.

    2) Can’t fucking believe nobody has had one solitary word to say about today’s culinary top. Come on, people — bacon-wrapped dates, for sweet baby jesus’s sake![/quote]
    1) the cap discussion is heated? Do you mean the UVA football unis discussion?
    2) honestly, I’ve been trying to purge that recipe from my brain all day. Reminds me of the chocolate-covered bacon I had about 9 halloweens ago. I can still taste that stuff if I think about it long enough.

  • Jakob Wolf Neunzehn | March 9, 2010 at 7:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”381151″][quote comment=”381150″]But not a fan of dates.[/quote]

    Me neither. That’s the beauty part! When you wrap them in bacon and drizzle them with balsamic vinegar, the combo of sweet, savory, and acidic all works amazingly well together.[/quote]

    You could use plums, eh?

    Personally, I like water chestnuts wrapped in bacon. Tried oysters and chicken livers, but it’s not the same.

  • Jakob Wolf Neunzehn | March 9, 2010 at 7:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”381158″]Reminds me of the chocolate-covered bacon I had about 9 halloweens ago. I can still taste that stuff if I think about it long enough.[/quote]

    If you use the right chocolate, you don’t want to forget the taste. Mmmm…

    Ha. Anti-spam word is TOAST.

  • JTH | March 9, 2010 at 7:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”381153″]
    Just saying based on numbers (70-64) it really isn’t that much different than the hoops…in a current football template sort of way.
    [/quote]
    bad analogy — there are way more div I basketball programs than there are div I-A football programs.

  • Johnny O | March 9, 2010 at 8:22 pm |

    Shout out to Uni Watch from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about the Packer’s thrid uniform this year, which has been confirmed, and will be unveiled, probably, on Friday.

    http://www.jsonline....

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 8:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”381161″][quote comment=”381153″]
    Just saying based on numbers (70-64) it really isn’t that much different than the hoops…in a current football template sort of way.
    [/quote]
    bad analogy — there are way more div I basketball programs than there are div I-A football programs.[/quote]

    Wasn’t making an analogy, just a comparison based on the pure numbers of how many teams get entre to their particular sport’s post season. Numerically speaking there are 64 & 70 teams involved. Not much of a variance in that sense. How high they are on the totem pole? Big difference, yes.

    But was only about the number of schools that get involved, to point out that maybe the existence of the lesser bowls is worth a shrug, but not necessarily anquishing over.

    That so many more schools play hoops also is, as I said, all the more reason that the basketball and football templates differ so much. The smaller teams DO have a much better shot at the big guys in basketball…so there’s a boatload of good reasons to structure things differently from football.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | March 9, 2010 at 8:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”381160″][quote comment=”381158″]Reminds me of the chocolate-covered bacon I had about 9 halloweens ago. I can still taste that stuff if I think about it long enough.[/quote]

    If you use the right chocolate, you don’t want to forget the taste. Mmmm…

    Ha. Anti-spam word is TOAST.[/quote]
    Maybe it wasn’t the chocolate that was the problem.

  • BurghFan | March 9, 2010 at 8:27 pm |

    Baseball is still a non-revenue sport at most colleges in pittsburgh

    Sadly, Phil, they do turn a profit, so there’s not enough incentive to sell the team.

  • Johnny O | March 9, 2010 at 8:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”381162″]Shout out to Uni Watch from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about the Packer’s thrid uniform this year, which has been confirmed, and will be unveiled, probably, on Friday.

    http://www.jsonline....

    More in depth article, another hat tip to Uni Watch, and Mark Murphy specifically saying the throwbacks are going to the from the Packer’s first decade all here:

    http://www.greenbayp...

  • KevinW | March 9, 2010 at 8:35 pm |

    One thing about the new Giants stirrups, the point has been made earlier whether or not they looked like soccer socks and proper placement for the stripes.

    It looks here: http://www.flickr.co... like they did a good job with it.

  • Johnny O | March 9, 2010 at 8:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”381166″][quote comment=”381162″]Shout out to Uni Watch from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about the Packer’s thrid uniform this year, which has been confirmed, and will be unveiled, probably, on Friday.

    http://www.jsonline....

    More in depth article, another hat tip to Uni Watch, and Mark Murphy specifically saying the throwbacks are going to the from the Packer’s first decade all here:

    http://www.greenbayp...

    Sorry to keep taking from this, but here is a quote from Murphy about if this alternate is money driven:

    “I wouldn’t say fairly (lucrative),” Murphy said of the potential income. “It can be beneficial sometimes, but that’s not the main driver in this. The other thing I think the fans will enjoy is not just the game uniforms but also the sideline apparel. So you’ll have the coaches and others on the sideline (wearing Navy blue and Khaki). I think people will enjoy it.”

  • mmwatkin | March 9, 2010 at 8:55 pm |

    Good lord, what is with everyone being in a bitchy/confrontational mood today? Some people need to take their meds.

    Never tried bacon wrapped dates. I am a big fan of bacon wrapped water chestnuts in a sweet BBQ sauce.

  • Ricko | March 9, 2010 at 8:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”381169″]Good lord, what is with everyone being in a bitchy/confrontational mood today? Some people need to take their meds.

    Never tried bacon wrapped dates. I am a big fan of bacon wrapped water chestnuts in a sweet BBQ sauce.[/quote]

    Yeah. I was. March 9th just is not a great frickin’ day for me, that’s all. Not an excuse, just an explanation.

    I apologize.

    And I AM taking my meds. Imagine how bad it COULD have been. :)

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | March 9, 2010 at 9:52 pm |

    you know what’s even better than bacon and dates?

    bacon and ice cream

  • John X | March 9, 2010 at 9:58 pm |

    About that Rays/not-Rays cap, I remember a lawsuit regarding a text-based monogram logo on a cap… was USC involved somehow? I seem to remember them. Perhaps something like that here with the TB cap?

  • Mike from Queens | March 9, 2010 at 10:00 pm |

    From way earlier… I’m thinking Ricko has done enough at this point so that while he can take some ribbing for some things, he does deserve a certain degree of respect.

  • Bernard | March 9, 2010 at 10:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”381171″]you know what’s even better than bacon and dates?

    bacon and ice cream[/quote]

    I’d eat that.

    – JimV19

  • LI Phil | March 9, 2010 at 10:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”381165″]Baseball is still a non-revenue sport at most colleges in pittsburgh

    Sadly, Phil, they do turn a profit, so there’s not enough incentive to sell the team.[/quote]

    i was thisclose to saying flushing meadow too

  • Chip Powell | March 9, 2010 at 10:24 pm |

    Clemson only has 5 hats, not the speculated 6th orange with purple brim. I own all five hats, and have been in every store in town that sells Clemson apparel, and that’s it. Zephyr Grafx does a Z-fit that is orange with a purple brim designed to look like the baseball lids, but it is jersey mesh and not the official New Era hat. Also, they make the caps different for fans than for players. If you are an actual player, you get a hat that has a large Tiger paw on the back with “Omaha” written inside it. The fan editions have a smaller paw, and “Omaha” is written beneath the paw. I don’t know if any other schools sell one-off hats like that as their “authentics” or if it’s just us. Anyone know?

  • David Murphy | March 9, 2010 at 10:33 pm |

    Ricko, I’m with you on the UVA debate. Same thing with promising high school kids certain numbers. Big defensive linemen shouldn’t wear single-digit numbers.

    Hopefully since Al Groh is at Georgia Tech now, he’ll have a positive influence on the Jacket’s attrocious uniforms.

    I had never heard of John Stofa until recently, when I met a nephew of his.

    Continuing last night’s discussion, the Falcon QB in the photo was Bob berry, not Bob Lee. Lee wore number 19, and never wore a black jersey.

  • Jakob Wolf Neunzehn | March 9, 2010 at 10:39 pm |

    ESPN, without Paul’s help, lists their all-time Best and Worst World Cup Jerseys lists:
    http://soccernet.esp...
    http://soccernet.esp...

  • JimV19 | March 9, 2010 at 10:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”381174″][quote comment=”381171″]you know what’s even better than bacon and dates?

    bacon and ice cream[/quote]

    I’d eat that.

    – JimV19[/quote]

    With chocolate or vanilla ice cream, yes. Anything else, no.
    Okay, maybe orange sherbet as well.

  • Alec | March 9, 2010 at 10:44 pm |

    Bacon wrapped dates(or figs) are the bomb, however I toothpick them before they go in the oven.

    Me personally thinks balsamic is OTT as the salty savory sweetness is more than enough.

  • Hibbsy | March 9, 2010 at 10:47 pm |

    Lots of mules in rams clothing today. Makes for some long threads.

  • Jeff | March 10, 2010 at 1:51 am |

    [quote comment=”381162″]Shout out to Uni Watch from (a Milwaukee newspaper that got scooped) about the Packers’ third uniform this year, which has been confirmed, and will be unveiled, probably, on Friday.[/quote]

    For the record, the Green Bay Press-Gazette broke the third uniform story at 6 p.m. Tuesday. Here’s that story.

  • The Hemogoblin | March 10, 2010 at 2:52 am |

    I missed an entire Oregon football jersey debate?

    And to think, I’m more qualified to discuss this than most all of you, too. *sigh* Oh well.

  • Mike | March 10, 2010 at 4:02 am |

    Hey… look what i found…

  • Mike M | March 11, 2010 at 8:27 am |

    Ricko,

    The Whiskey Jacks did use the TB in that arrangement. I’m not sure if they ever used that colour cap though..