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Here’s something I don’t often say: I wish I’d been in L.A. last night. That’s because Gallery 1988 had a reception for their new poster exhibit, called The Greatest Moments in Sports History, most of which looks to be completely amazing. Here are some highlights:

• There are two posters based on Dock Ellis’s acid-drenched no-hitter — here and here.

• Not sure what this is supposed to be about, but I love the uni-numbered bonnet and shower cap. (Update: Justin Rectenwald now informs us that larger, slower water polo teams are often referred to as whales, and smaller, faster ones are often called squid. So there you have it: The first water polo poster ever to appear on Uni Watch!)

• Two of the strongest posters in the show are based on low points in Mike Tyson’s career: his upset at the hands of Buster Douglas and the night he took a bite of Evander Holyfield’s ear.

• Love this illo of Ty Cobb. The peach refers to his nickname, natch, and the “Gas and Flame” notation refers to his military assignment.

• Poor Scott Norwood never gets a break.

• The title of this poster is “Calvinball.” Don’t get the reference? Look here.

• I like how this mascot gallery looks like a slightly beat-up LP cover from the 1960s.

• Lots to like in this Kirk Gibson poster. I particularly like how the incoming pitch and it’s speed lines evoke the Dodgers logo.

• Great title here: “Belly Itcher.” But how could you shout that at someone wearing such nice stirrups?

• Totally digging the fluid lines in this basketball image.

• I’m always happy to make a purple exception for Kurt Rambis.

• This Jesse Owens design is a high point of the exhibit. Ingeniously conceived, strikingly executed.

• In case you don’t recognize this guy, the name of the poster is “20,000” — a Wilt Chamberlain reference, obviously. I love how the illustration styles mimics Victor Moscoso’s old psychedelic rock posters.

• Magnificent use of perspective and color blocking in this Four Horsemen image.

• Here’s an odd one. It’s called “Local Legend,” but I’m not sure who it’s supposed to be depicting. And whoever he is, why did he wear No. 03?

• Man, does this have “1950s college football program cover” written all over it or what?

The best part: Almost all of these poster designs are reasonably priced, at least by art gallery standards. You can see the price listings, and the rest of the images from the show, here.

(Special thanks to Josh Brotheim for letting me know about this one.)

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Yet another earflap update: A month ago I went bananas over this photo of Jackie Hayes, dated 8/23/40. Somewhere along the line I got the notion that Hayes had created that headgear himself, although I’m embarrassed to say I don’t recall where I read that — bad recordkeeping on my part. Does anyone remember seeing anything along those lines?

Now Zac Neubauer has found something in the Popular Science archives — check it out. As you can see, it’s from the Nov. 1940 issue, and it’s definitely the same contraption Hayes was wearing. No mention of a manufacturer, though (or of Hayes, which seems odd). So maybe Hayes did come up with the design and then someone else put his idea into production a few months later, or else maybe it was already in production and Hayes had nothing to do with it. Hmmmmmm.

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Either way, it’s interesting that the Ford Frick was trying to get all N.L. players to wear it. At present, I’m not aware of anyone other than Hayes having used it, but this storyline keeps yielding additional chapters, so I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s more to learn here.

Membership Program RE-OPENED for Business!: I’m happy to report that we’ve finally caught up on all previously pending membership card orders (including Tavis Burns’s Tromsø Idrettslag treatment, shown at right). All card designs are now present and accounted for in the card gallery, and those of you haven’t yet received your cards in the mail should be getting them within the next week or so.

Now that we’re caught up and Scott is settled into his new Seattle digs, we’re ready to take new orders again. You can sign up in the usual place. Remember, no more PayPal — I now accept e-cash via Amazon Payments. It’s easy, and all spelled out on the sign-up page.

One change to the program: I’m no longer adding new sign-ups to the Membership Roster page. It’s gotten too big to manage, it mucks up our software (it’s been months since I’ve been able to add new names without the whole thing going kablooey), and our traffic stats indicate that nobody looks at it anyway. Think of the card gallery as a de facto roster page, OK? Thanks.

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Vintage Vinyl Giveaway: To celebrate the return of the membership program, I’m going to give away two cool old NFL LPs that I picked up at a record fair last weekend. The first one is devoted to the Jets’ Super Bowl season (here’s the back cover) and the other features interviews with mid-1960s quarterbacks (back cover here). Both LPs have a bit of surface noise but generally play surprisingly well, with no skips or scratches — fun stuff.

I’m not going to impose any restrictions on this giveaway, but I will say this: If you don’t own a turntable and have no way to play these records, it’d be nice if you held off on entering this one. But that’s a suggestion, not a rule — the giveaway is open to everyone, and you can enter by sending a blank e-mail with your name in the subject line to this address by 10pm eastern next Wednesday, March 10th. One entry per person (remember, no more bonus entries for Membership Program enrollees). I’ll announce two winners on Thursday. The first winner will get his or her choice of the two LPs; the other winner will get the remaining LP. Cool? Cool.

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House of Hearts Reminder: Big, big thanks to those of you who contributed yesterday to my House of Hearts Bonspiel sponsorship fund. One very generous reader donated $50, but you can make me plenty proud if you simply contribute five bucks. For those of you who don’t know what the hell I’m talking about, you can get the full scoop here.

Stirrup Club Reminder: Sunday is the deadline for getting in on the latest round of Uni Watch Stirrup Club hosiery from Robert Marshall. Full details here.

That’s it, I’m doubling our ad rates: In one of those completely arbitrary rankings that don’t amount to a hill of Cocoa Puffs, the folks at Mediaite have named the top 25 most influential sports writers. A fun exercise, but if you go to the third page of the article you’ll see that they’ll let just about anyone onto these lists, which really calls the whole integrity of the process into question, eh?

Uni Watch News Ticker: Peter Mueller, newly acquired by the Avs, warmed up in a blank jersey on Wednesday (with thanks to Steven Schapansky). ”¦ We now have Photo Day confirmation that the NOBs on the Twins’ new home pinstripes will be direct-sewn, not nameplated (as noted by Karl Anderson). ”¦ Notice anything unusual about this Carl Hubbell jacket? The ribbed trim at the collar and base isn’t just horizontally striped — it’s also vertically pinstriped! Never seen that before. Here’s the rear view (awesome find by Mike Hersh). ”¦ No image, but Ronald Marrero informs me that the new MLB2010 Road to the Show allows you to include stirrups for players you create. Maybe someone could provide a screen shot? ”¦ The good news is that Topps did a nice job of photoshopping Cliff Lee into a Mariners uniform for this year’s Opening Day card series. The bad news is that they didn’t erase the Phillies’ Harry Kalas patch (as noted by Bill Slowsky). ”¦ The Oregon Ducks are finally free from Disney (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). ”¦ There are helmet buggies and then there are helmet Bugs. That’s a Barcelona Dragons treatment, in case you don’t recognize it (with thanks to Alex Acosta). ”¦ Okay, so we all know minor league hockey teams have ad patches on their jerseys. But the Bakersfield Condors have taken it a step further: They have Carl’s Jr. star logos in their uni numbers (with thanks to Mark Snider). ”¦ Whoa, check out the amazing striped jerseys worn by the Groton School football team (big thanks to Andrew Peterson). ”¦ Interesting news from Brian Schulz, who checks in with the following report from Austin, Minnesota: “About a month ago, when a new NAHL was approved for Austin, an article came out stating that the owner ‘[Austin] Bruins, as tribute to the Boston Bruins,’ but would let the city decide. Earlier this week it was announced that after over a thousand suggestions, the name Bruins just happened to be at the top of the list. Since then, people have been in quite the frenzy over the name and logo for the team.” ”¦ Now wait a minute — is it really possible that the Republic of France is the latest organization to rip off Jerry Dior’s MLB logo concept? I’d like to know more about that French logo. Anyone know its history? (As brought to my attention by Coachie Ballgames.) ”¦ Michael Princip‘s excellent Seahawks-centric site, Greenglare, is now called Greenxoblue. ”¦ Barry Zito, my hero. ”¦ Nice video tour of the new ballpark in Eugene, Oregon, to be shared by the Ducks and Emeralds, here (with thanks to Scott Little). ”¦ Latest NHL team to wear camouflage warm-up jerseys: the Caps (with thanks to William Yurasko, who also says this video indicates that the Caps have no plans to add a third jersey, somewhere around the 18-minute mark). ”¦ Interesting Cubs-colored spikes for Kosuke Fukudome (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). ”¦ Here’s something you won’t often have a chance to own: a Houston Aeros business card (great find by Gabriel Manga). ”¦ Last but not least, sex columnist Dan Savage published a really funny baseball-related letter in this week’s column. Dig: “My ladyfriend generally requires more foreplay than I do, but on rare occasions we focus on me exclusively. Two nights ago, after three years together, we figured we’d give a high-school classic a try: I was going to get a handjob. I must’ve been temporarily transported back to my Little League days, because as she was contentedly pumping away, I asked if she could adjust her grip, saying, ‘Baby, could you choke up a little bit?’ With the sweetest, most eager-to-please look on her face, she said, ‘You mean, like, cry?’ I really think she would’ve done it, too, if I hadn’t laughed so hard I nearly fell off the bed.”

 
  
 
Comments (164)

    The Squid and the Whale is a recent independent film popular among people who design things and other artist types or people who are into that scene. Good movie, too. The creatures are wearing water polo caps. It’s just a little pun, a little mixing of sport and culture.

    Topps also forgot the piping around the neck and front placket of Lee’s Mariners jersey:

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    Should look like this:

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    [quote comment=”380464″]The Squid and the Whale is a recent independent film popular among people who design things and other artist types or people who are into that scene.[/quote]

    Duh, it was set in my neighborhood. Had zero sports content, though — seems odd that the poster would be a reference to the film.

    [quote comment=”380465″]Topps also forgot the piping around the neck and front placket of Lee’s Mariners jersey:

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    Should look like this:

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    and why does it look like he has a full length left sleeve that’s rolled up?

    i know he sometimes pitches with long sleeves, but shouldn’t they have made the undersleeve…i donno…mariner blue?

    makes him look like he’s wearing one of these jerseys

    I don’t think Jackie Hayes invented those earflaps, based simply on the way he is wearing them in his photo. Hayes has the strap across his forehead, while the Popular Science wearer has the strap over the top of his head. You would have to think the Popular Mechanics photo would be provided by the inventor/manufacturer and would show the correct usage. There would have to be a “right” and “wrong” way to wear the earflaps for proper protection. It looks like Hayes is wearing them sideways.

    [quote comment=”380465″]Topps also forgot the piping around the neck and front placket of Lee’s Mariners jersey:

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    Should look like this:

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    Well, if we’re going that far … let’s not forget that “Seattle” should be on the road grays, not “Mariners”. That said, I like that he still had the HK tribute in this card. Inaccurate, yes, but respectful of an icon.

    Ballpark Digest links to this story about the return of the St. Louis Browns this summer:

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    Wonder how the 1934 set was chosen as the one the Farmington team will replicate.

    [quote comment=”380466″][quote comment=”380464″]The Squid and the Whale is a recent independent film popular among people who design things and other artist types or people who are into that scene.[/quote]

    Duh, it was set in my neighborhood. Had zero sports content, though — seems odd that the poster would be a reference to the film.[/quote]

    Interesting. Since the squid/whale movie came out I’ve been wondering why they named it with a water polo reference. As a former high school and college polo player, I can let you know that bigger, slower teams are often referred to as whales and smaller, faster teams as squid. I was hoping there would be some strange water polo sub-plot in the film, but I think it was an accidental reference. Cool illustration anyway. Not much water polo art out there!

    Information on the French Government logo, apparently used since 1999. It’s primary symbol is, of course, Marianne:

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    Last night at the caps game, I noticed that the capitan “C” and the Alternate’s “A” were of different color (blue with white trim) then the name and # on the back (h:white with blue trim R: Red with Blue trim). Is this common ? [Since I’m at work I can’t do the reseach to see what other teams do]

    BTW: The Caps camouflage warm up jerseys looked good. (they later auctioned them off with a portion of the proceeds benefiting three military charities: Fisher House, USO and Wounded Warriors.)

    Also, this saturday, players will wear a special one-game-only set of red jerseys featuring a unique 35th season commemorative patch. They will be hosting a silent auction during the game. The winning bidders will leave Verizon Center that night with an authentic game-worn jersey.

    Maybe old news on logo-creep, but watching some of the Pens-Rangers game on Versus last night (via MSG feed) and saw huge ads for a certain credit card company projected onto the glass behind the goal. Very distracting, very annoying, very bad.

    Those posters are spectacular.

    These artists should be designing the identities for professional sports teams. Seriously.

    If leagues feel that they must feed the masses multiple products ( ie, alternate jerseys, spring training caps, fashion wear, et al…) in order to generate more revenue, then why not employ these artists who deliver unique and engaging and compelling work?

    And, yes, the Jesse Owens design is masterful.

    Ducks? Free of Disney? Not quite.

    The UO/Disney licensing agreement remains in effect for the printed logos on sweatshirts and the like.

    This news only applies to the costumed sideline mascot.

    [quote comment=”380473″]The Austin Bruins will play in Austin, Minnesota, not Austin, Texas.[/quote]

    Brain cramp on my part — now fixed.

    [quote comment=”380475″][quote comment=”380466″][quote comment=”380464″]The Squid and the Whale is a recent independent film popular among people who design things and other artist types or people who are into that scene.[/quote]

    Duh, it was set in my neighborhood. Had zero sports content, though — seems odd that the poster would be a reference to the film.[/quote]

    Interesting. Since the squid/whale movie came out I’ve been wondering why they named it with a water polo reference. As a former high school and college polo player, I can let you know that bigger, slower teams are often referred to as whales and smaller, faster teams as squid. I was hoping there would be some strange water polo sub-plot in the film, but I think it was an accidental reference. Cool illustration anyway. Not much water polo art out there![/quote]

    Ah, so it’s a water polo reference — fascinating! Thanks for filling us in.

    My favorite poster is the one of Nolan Ryan combining a headlock and punch. Outstanding.

    The Groton School jerseys used to be so much better. The striping was above the numerals as well, and Groton wore them for both home and away games.

    However about ten years ago, some stuffed shirt in the ISL (Groton’s league) decided that he didn’t like the way the jerseys looked and made the school change to a more solid color, as you see in the picture. Too bad.

    [quote comment=”380475″][quote comment=”380466″][quote comment=”380464″]The Squid and the Whale is a recent independent film popular among people who design things and other artist types or people who are into that scene.[/quote]

    Duh, it was set in my neighborhood. Had zero sports content, though — seems odd that the poster would be a reference to the film.[/quote]

    Interesting. Since the squid/whale movie came out I’ve been wondering why they named it with a water polo reference. As a former high school and college polo player, I can let you know that bigger, slower teams are often referred to as whales and smaller, faster teams as squid. I was hoping there would be some strange water polo sub-plot in the film, but I think it was an accidental reference. Cool illustration anyway. Not much water polo art out there![/quote]
    Definitely an accidental reference – New Yorkers hear “squid and whale” and instantly think of link, which is an important image in the film.

    Not that the AMNH invented it – the notion of the two leviathans of the sea squaring off is an old one.

    [quote comment=”380479″]Looks like the Pats will be wearing 1985 throwbacks this coming season.

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    “The Patriots wore silver throwbacks through the 2008 season”

    Say what?

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”380474″]Absolutely enjoyed looking at all of those posters. The Four Horsemen poster is spectacular.[/quote]

    What he said.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”380483″][quote comment=”380475″][quote comment=”380466″][quote comment=”380464″]The Squid and the Whale is a recent independent film popular among people who design things and other artist types or people who are into that scene.[/quote]

    Duh, it was set in my neighborhood. Had zero sports content, though — seems odd that the poster would be a reference to the film.[/quote]

    Interesting. Since the squid/whale movie came out I’ve been wondering why they named it with a water polo reference. As a former high school and college polo player, I can let you know that bigger, slower teams are often referred to as whales and smaller, faster teams as squid. I was hoping there would be some strange water polo sub-plot in the film, but I think it was an accidental reference. Cool illustration anyway. Not much water polo art out there![/quote]

    Ah, so it’s a water polo reference — fascinating! Thanks for filling us in.[/quote]

    No problem–don’t get much polo banter on this site–first of all, you can’t really see the uniforms during play and second, most folks wouldn’t want to. Several layers of speedo’s(in case one gets ripped off). Even more unfortunate is that my high school mascot was the Trojans, so they cleverly had that printed across our asses on the speedo. Interestingly, there is a history of hockey style water polo sweaters, since it is mostly a fall/winter sport. I will try to find some pics.

    One last thing. Does anyone know if there are some rules about the caps being white vs. blue and goalie red? I seem to remember colored practice caps, but all through high school and college all the teams wore white/home, blue/away.

    [quote comment=”380484″]My favorite poster is the one of Nolan Ryan combining a headlock and punch. Outstanding.[/quote]

    That was one of my least favorite. Just a straight, photo-realistic copy of well-known photo. Boring.

    [quote comment=”380489″]my high school mascot was the Trojans.[/quote]

    i realize that’s not an uncommon name, but do you mind if i ask which high school?

    (was a trojan too)

    [quote comment=”380490″][quote comment=”380484″]My favorite poster is the one of Nolan Ryan combining a headlock and punch. Outstanding.[/quote]

    That was one of my least favorite. Just a straight, photo-realistic copy of well-known photo. Boring.[/quote]

    i love the caption though:

    “Don’t Mess With The Bull, Young Man”

    [quote comment=”380491″][quote comment=”380489″]my high school mascot was the Trojans.[/quote]

    i realize that’s not an uncommon name, but do you mind if i ask which high school?

    (was a trojan too)[/quote]

    Mcdowell High, Erie PA

    I was also on the pole vaulting team, where it worked more towards our advantage.

    [quote comment=”380479″]Looks like the Pats will be wearing 1985 throwbacks this coming season.

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    Too bad. If the Patriots wanted to wear red, they should have made an alt jersey from the existing look, rather than going back to an appearance that only brings back memories of a lousy franchise.

    [quote comment=”380483″][quote comment=”380475″][quote comment=”380466″][quote comment=”380464″]The Squid and the Whale is a recent independent film popular among people who design things and other artist types or people who are into that scene.[/quote]

    Duh, it was set in my neighborhood. Had zero sports content, though — seems odd that the poster would be a reference to the film.[/quote]

    Interesting. Since the squid/whale movie came out I’ve been wondering why they named it with a water polo reference. As a former high school and college polo player, I can let you know that bigger, slower teams are often referred to as whales and smaller, faster teams as squid. I was hoping there would be some strange water polo sub-plot in the film, but I think it was an accidental reference. Cool illustration anyway. Not much water polo art out there![/quote]

    Ah, so it’s a water polo reference — fascinating! Thanks for filling us in.[/quote]

    I pointed out the water polo reference in the first post; you cut that part out when you quoted it!

    But now that all this information is being batted around, The fact that the parents are continually trying to almost ‘one-up’ each other and the children begin to take sides in the separation of their parents could connect the movie with water polo and/or the philosophy of competitive gamesmanship in general.

    I think the connection between the subject of the diorama, the role it plays in the film and water polo lore works really well for that movie, based on the plot and characters. I think it was intentional.

    Don’t know if I missed this in yesterdays comments.

    Here’s your motivation killer for the day. Complete with period ads and everything. The entire PopSci catalog scanned and searchable.

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    I do realize I should have further explained the pun in greater detail in the first post, but I was hurried at the time.

    [quote comment=”380494″][quote comment=”380479″]Looks like the Pats will be wearing 1985 throwbacks this coming season.

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    Too bad. If the Patriots wanted to wear red, they should have made an alt jersey from the existing look, rather than going back to an appearance that only brings back memories of a lousy franchise.[/quote]

    They did go to the Super Bowl in those unis, right?
    Yah, they got pummeled by what some say was the best NFL defense ever (at least for one season), but they got there. First wild card team to do so, weren’t they?

    Guess it’s true, if you lose the Super Bowl, fans think you’re a loser. Junk. Trash. Worthless. Finishing second makes you the same caliber as a team that went 1-15. (ref: “Peyton Manning’s not that good after all; we now see how bad he sucks”…oh, riiiiiight)

    That’s one of the things I like about baseball. Losing the World Series doesn’t yet have that stigma attached to it. But it’s getting there, unfortunately.

    The Twins, for example. Losers, can’t get past Yankees in playoffs. Win the division 5 of the past 8 years (might have been six but for losing a coin flip) and people classify them as “non-winners” alongside the Royals, who haven’t been in the post-season for, what, 25 years now? Like the baseball season is as dull and seemingly without purpose in Minnesota as it is Kansas City? Don’t think so.

    I’m sorry that not winning-it-all breaks the little hearts of fans but, Jesus, let’s remember that finishing second is evidence of a damn powerful team, shall we.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”380494″]If the Patriots wanted to wear red, they should have made an alt jersey from the existing look.[/quote]

    oh, christ no

    [quote comment=”380499″]That’s one of the things I like about baseball. Losing the World Series doesn’t yet have that stigma attached to it.[/quote]

    One of the true delights of baseball. In fact, the most famous shorthand for baseball success – The Pennant – is awarded for winning the league, not the World Championship.

    That video of PK Park is interesting. I like how they admit what they borrowed from other college stadiums.

    Ironic, though, that the Emeralds just dropped their forest green for a lighter shade – last season, they would have looked as though they belonged in the park with all its dark Oregon green. Now, it’s quite clear that they’re playing in somebody’s house.

    [quote comment=”380477″] The winning bidders will leave Verizon Center that night with an authentic game-worn jersey.[/quote]

    Can you pick it up the next day after they wash it?

    [quote comment=”380500″][quote comment=”380494″]If the Patriots wanted to wear red, they should have made an alt jersey from the existing look.[/quote]

    oh, christ no[/quote]

    I dunno. Might be brighter than what they wear now.
    And the last time a red jersey was seen with silver helmet and pants in U.S. pro football would be, what…
    the Tampa Bay Bandits and Memphis Showboats of the USFL 26 years ago?

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”380504″][quote comment=”380500″][quote comment=”380494″]If the Patriots wanted to wear red, they should have made an alt jersey from the existing look.[/quote]

    oh, christ no[/quote]

    I dunno. Might be brighter than what they wear now.
    And the last time a red jersey was seen with silver helmet and pants in U.S. pro football would be, what…
    the Tampa Bay Bandits and Memphis Showboats of the USFL 26 years ago?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh, and the Chicago Blitz, too. Same league.

    [quote comment=”380487″][quote comment=”380479″]Looks like the Pats will be wearing 1985 throwbacks this coming season.

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    “The Patriots wore silver throwbacks through the 2008 season”

    Say what?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yeah Ricko.. I caught the same. Figured they ment Alts.. not Throwbacks.

    [quote comment=”380499″][quote comment=”380494″][quote comment=”380479″]Looks like the Pats will be wearing 1985 throwbacks this coming season.

    link

    Too bad. If the Patriots wanted to wear red, they should have made an alt jersey from the existing look, rather than going back to an appearance that only brings back memories of a lousy franchise.[/quote]

    They did go to the Super Bowl in those unis, right?
    Yah, they got pummeled by what some say was the best NFL defense ever (at least for one season), but they got there. First wild card team to do so, weren’t they?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    ’80 Raiders were first ‘true’ Wild Card to get to the SB against Eagles. ’85 Pats were the first Wild Card to win 3 road games to get to the SB.

    [quote comment=”380507″][quote comment=”380499″][quote comment=”380494″][quote comment=”380479″]Looks like the Pats will be wearing 1985 throwbacks this coming season.

    link

    Too bad. If the Patriots wanted to wear red, they should have made an alt jersey from the existing look, rather than going back to an appearance that only brings back memories of a lousy franchise.[/quote]

    They did go to the Super Bowl in those unis, right?
    Yah, they got pummeled by what some say was the best NFL defense ever (at least for one season), but they got there. First wild card team to do so, weren’t they?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    ’80 Raiders were first ‘true’ Wild Card to get to the SB against Eagles. ’85 Pats were the first Wild Card to win 3 road games to get to the SB.[/quote]

    Thanks. Knew there was some distinction they could claim. That’s why was a non-rhetorical question.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=\”380487\”][quote comment=\”380479\”]Looks like the Pats will be wearing 1985 throwbacks this coming season.

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    \”The Patriots wore silver throwbacks through the 2008 season\”

    Say what?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s probably link from 1999… Can you “throw back” 9 years?

    [quote comment=”380504″][quote comment=”380500″][quote comment=”380494″]If the Patriots wanted to wear red, they should have made an alt jersey from the existing look.[/quote]

    oh, christ no[/quote]

    I dunno. Might be brighter than what they wear now.
    And the last time a red jersey was seen with silver helmet and pants in U.S. pro football would be, what…
    the Tampa Bay Bandits and Memphis Showboats of the USFL 26 years ago?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    i have no problem with the pats in red

    i prefer it to the blue (don’t start with the “redcoats” stuff…)

    if they were to “swap” the red for the blue they now have, and made it their only jersey, i’d be behind it 100%

    but they don’t need to intro ANOTHER damn alt…

    the throwbacks are gorgeous…let that BE their alt

    how bad does robin ventura want to do 88 mph in a delorean and stop himself from charging the mound that evening and getting that noogie placed upon his head

    I’m not normally averse to name plates, since the sports I used to watch all the time used them, but a huge “Thank you,” to the Twins for finally going directly-sewn on their pinstripe jerseys.

    [quote comment=”380510″][quote comment=”380504″][quote comment=”380500″][quote comment=”380494″]If the Patriots wanted to wear red, they should have made an alt jersey from the existing look.[/quote]

    oh, christ no[/quote]

    I dunno. Might be brighter than what they wear now.
    And the last time a red jersey was seen with silver helmet and pants in U.S. pro football would be, what…
    the Tampa Bay Bandits and Memphis Showboats of the USFL 26 years ago?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    i have no problem with the pats in red

    i prefer it to the blue (don’t start with the “redcoats” stuff…)

    if they were to “swap” the red for the blue they now have, and made it their only jersey, i’d be behind it 100%

    but they don’t need to intro ANOTHER damn alt…

    the throwbacks are gorgeous…let that BE their alt[/quote]
    Not sure what you’re getting at – the Patriots could have gone with red jerseys in their current look and it wouldn’t be “another” alt, it would be their only one (silver is scapped in any case). NFL doesn’t allow clubs to have two.

    If you liked that Green Bay Press-Gazette slideshow of old Wisconsin boys basketball tournament photos the other day, please check out our galleries of team and action photos from the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s link

    You’ll see influence of Marquette University unis on Wisconsin high school teams of the ’70s and one of the more unusual team pictures in the ’70s gallery.

    Tom Whalen who did The Four Horsemen poster has his own blog with some of his other work. It’s called Slink. He says that the Four Horsemen was his first silkscreened poster.

    He does a lot of superhero stuff. Who knew that you could make link look good.

    Geek digression. In Childhood’s End one of the characters goes to the Overlord planet by stowing away in a diorama of a Squid and Whale.

    The Supreme Leader can’t keep his guys in their kit — North Korea traveled to Venezuela earlier this week for a pre-World Cup friendly…and lost their unis. Top item link.

    [quote comment=”380512″]I’m not normally averse to name plates, since the sports I used to watch all the time used them, but a huge “Thank you,” to the Twins for finally going directly-sewn on their pinstripe jerseys.[/quote]

    Ah, yes, the legacy of Calvin Griffith.
    Calvin was informed he’d save $10,000 a year in jersey replacement and labor costs going the template route.
    And somehow, the templates just stayed through the years.

    Now you know….the rest of the story.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”380514″]If you liked that Green Bay Press-Gazette slideshow of old Wisconsin boys basketball tournament photos the other day, please check out our galleries of team and action photos from the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s link

    You’ll see influence of Marquette University unis on Wisconsin high school teams of the ’70s and one of the more unusual team pictures in the ’70s gallery.[/quote]
    Well, hell-o Kewaunee! :D

    I love the link uniforms (doesn’t hurt that those were my favorite Marquette uniform).

    And, incidentally, those circles on the chest are what I suspect the new Packers throwbacks will look like. Somehow I don’t see the NFL allowing four-inch numbers on the players’ chests.

    [quote comment=”380517″][quote comment=”380512″]I’m not normally averse to name plates, since the sports I used to watch all the time used them, but a huge “Thank you,” to the Twins for finally going directly-sewn on their pinstripe jerseys.[/quote]

    Ah, yes, the legacy of Calvin Griffith.
    Calvin was informed he’d save $10,000 a year in jersey replacement and labor costs going the template route.
    And somehow, the templates just stayed through the years.

    Now you know….the rest of the story.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Also why Twins don’t wear NOB at home. As long as it was optional, Calvin wasn’t about the spend the money.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”380513″]Not sure what you’re getting at – the Patriots could have gone with red jerseys in their current look and it wouldn’t be “another” alt, it would be their only one (silver is scapped in any case). NFL doesn’t allow clubs to have two.[/quote]

    yah…i knew i wasn’t being clear … sorry

    i meant, if the pats NEED a red jersey, i’d have no problem if they replaced the blue jersey that is their home primary

    and if they MUST have an alt, then it should be the throwback

    they don’t need to introduce A NEW alt (red in lieu of either the silver, which is thankfully long gone, or the throwback, which is being treated as an alt in 2010)

    i don’t know that that’s any clearer however — stupid work, cutting into my UW time

    /oakland oaks ‘rups today, btw…for friday stirrup day

    [quote comment=”380517″][quote comment=”380512″]I’m not normally averse to name plates, since the sports I used to watch all the time used them, but a huge “Thank you,” to the Twins for finally going directly-sewn on their pinstripe jerseys.[/quote]

    Ah, yes, the legacy of Calvin Griffith.
    Calvin was informed he’d save $10,000 a year in jersey replacement and labor costs going the template route.
    And somehow, the templates just stayed through the years.

    Now you know….the rest of the story.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    And anything which removes the stain of Calvin Griffith’s legacy is a good thing for the sport.

    [quote comment=”380499″]
    They did go to the Super Bowl in those unis, right?
    Yah, they got pummeled by what some say was the best NFL defense ever (at least for one season), but they got there. First wild card team to do so, weren’t they?

    Guess it’s true, if you lose the Super Bowl, fans think you’re a loser. Junk. Trash. Worthless. Finishing second makes you the same caliber as a team that went 1-15. (ref: “Peyton Manning’s not that good after all; we now see how bad he sucks”…oh, riiiiiight)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s more than Super Bowl 20, though. Those Patriots jerseys, for many fans, reflect a culture of losing that existed in Foxboro for a long time, including the pathetic 1-15 season under Rod Rust in 1989. And if it wasn’t losing, it was incomptence of the ownership groups led by the Sullivan family and then Victor Kiam.

    [quote comment=”380503″][quote comment=”380477″] The winning bidders will leave Verizon Center that night with an authentic game-worn jersey.[/quote]

    Can you pick it up the next day after they wash it?[/quote]
    I’ll let you know when I win….

    [quote comment=”380522″][quote comment=”380499″]
    They did go to the Super Bowl in those unis, right?
    Yah, they got pummeled by what some say was the best NFL defense ever (at least for one season), but they got there. First wild card team to do so, weren’t they?

    Guess it’s true, if you lose the Super Bowl, fans think you’re a loser. Junk. Trash. Worthless. Finishing second makes you the same caliber as a team that went 1-15. (ref: “Peyton Manning’s not that good after all; we now see how bad he sucks”…oh, riiiiiight)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s more than Super Bowl 20, though. Those Patriots jerseys, for many fans, reflect a culture of losing that existed in Foxboro for a long time, including the pathetic 1-15 season under Rod Rust in 1989. And if it wasn’t losing, it was incomptence of the ownership groups led by the Sullivan family and then Victor Kiam.[/quote]

    Oh, I get that. Know all about it. Just saying also could choose to recall something memorably GOOD they accomplished in those unis. Like, oh, say, the team’s first (of many, in fact) trips to the Super Bowl.

    Eye—and mindset—of the beholder, I suppose.

    —Ricko

    Those posters are great. Hope the IOC doesn’t catch word of the Jesse Owens print and get their bundies in an undle over unauthorized use of the rings logo – I understand they’re rather touchy about that.

    Why does Topps still do the airbrushing/photoshopping thing on the cards anyway? I don’t understand the point anymore. Removing logos due to licensing issues is one thing… changing a player’s uniform for essentially no reason (and typically screwing up some part of it) is completely unnecessary.

    [quote comment=”380524″][quote comment=”380522″][quote comment=”380499″]
    They did go to the Super Bowl in those unis, right?
    Yah, they got pummeled by what some say was the best NFL defense ever (at least for one season), but they got there. First wild card team to do so, weren’t they?

    Guess it’s true, if you lose the Super Bowl, fans think you’re a loser. Junk. Trash. Worthless. Finishing second makes you the same caliber as a team that went 1-15. (ref: “Peyton Manning’s not that good after all; we now see how bad he sucks”…oh, riiiiiight)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s more than Super Bowl 20, though. Those Patriots jerseys, for many fans, reflect a culture of losing that existed in Foxboro for a long time, including the pathetic 1-15 season under Rod Rust in 1989. And if it wasn’t losing, it was incomptence of the ownership groups led by the Sullivan family and then Victor Kiam.[/quote]

    Oh, I get that. Know all about it. Just saying also could choose to recall something memorably GOOD they accomplished in those unis. Like, oh, say, the team’s first (of many, in fact) trips to the Super Bowl.

    Eye—and mindset—of the beholder, I suppose.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    If “many fans” see those and think only of the bad, those fans are apparently a minority. Given how well the throwbacks sell, more fans choose the positive connotation of the reds.

    [quote comment=”380527″]changing a player’s uniform for essentially no reason (and typically screwing up some part of it) is completely unnecessary.[/quote]

    well…other than he is not with the old team anymore

    what i don’t get is why they have to put traded players in the “first set” anyway…just hold off, wait till the player is actually, ya know, wearing his new uni, then release the card with the updated set

    [quote comment=”380521″][quote comment=”380517″]
    Ah, yes, the legacy of Calvin Griffith.
    Calvin was informed he’d save $10,000 a year in jersey replacement and labor costs going the template route.
    And somehow, the templates just stayed through the years.

    Now you know….the rest of the story.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    And anything which removes the stain of Calvin Griffith’s legacy is a good thing for the sport.[/quote]

    Is that really why the Twins had number-only home jerseys for so many years? They looked great, and I always thought it was an effort to be traditional.

    At least the Twins’ NOBs are thinner and much less prominent than the number. I’d rather see them make the number an inch or two bigger and dump the NOB entirely.

    [quote comment=”380507″][quote comment=”380499″]They did go to the Super Bowl in those unis, right?
    Yah, they got pummeled by what some say was the best NFL defense ever (at least for one season), but they got there. First wild card team to do so, weren’t they?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    ’80 Raiders were first ‘true’ Wild Card to get to the SB against Eagles. ’85 Pats were the first Wild Card to win 3 road games to get to the SB.[/quote]

    Super Bowl 10 – Cowboys were a wild card team:
    link

    [quote comment=”380528″][quote comment=”380524″][quote comment=”380522″][quote comment=”380499″]
    They did go to the Super Bowl in those unis, right?
    Yah, they got pummeled by what some say was the best NFL defense ever (at least for one season), but they got there. First wild card team to do so, weren’t they?

    Guess it’s true, if you lose the Super Bowl, fans think you’re a loser. Junk. Trash. Worthless. Finishing second makes you the same caliber as a team that went 1-15. (ref: “Peyton Manning’s not that good after all; we now see how bad he sucks”…oh, riiiiiight)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s more than Super Bowl 20, though. Those Patriots jerseys, for many fans, reflect a culture of losing that existed in Foxboro for a long time, including the pathetic 1-15 season under Rod Rust in 1989. And if it wasn’t losing, it was incomptence of the ownership groups led by the Sullivan family and then Victor Kiam.[/quote]

    Oh, I get that. Know all about it. Just saying also could choose to recall something memorably GOOD they accomplished in those unis. Like, oh, say, the team’s first (of many, in fact) trips to the Super Bowl.

    Eye—and mindset—of the beholder, I suppose.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    If “many fans” see those and think only of the bad, those fans are apparently a minority. Given how well the throwbacks sell, more fans choose the positive connotation of the reds.[/quote]
    I’d say it’s more nostalgia than anything.

    [quote comment=”380532″][quote comment=”380528″][quote comment=”380524″][quote comment=”380522″][quote comment=”380499″]
    They did go to the Super Bowl in those unis, right?
    Yah, they got pummeled by what some say was the best NFL defense ever (at least for one season), but they got there. First wild card team to do so, weren’t they?

    Guess it’s true, if you lose the Super Bowl, fans think you’re a loser. Junk. Trash. Worthless. Finishing second makes you the same caliber as a team that went 1-15. (ref: “Peyton Manning’s not that good after all; we now see how bad he sucks”…oh, riiiiiight)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s more than Super Bowl 20, though. Those Patriots jerseys, for many fans, reflect a culture of losing that existed in Foxboro for a long time, including the pathetic 1-15 season under Rod Rust in 1989. And if it wasn’t losing, it was incomptence of the ownership groups led by the Sullivan family and then Victor Kiam.[/quote]

    Oh, I get that. Know all about it. Just saying also could choose to recall something memorably GOOD they accomplished in those unis. Like, oh, say, the team’s first (of many, in fact) trips to the Super Bowl.

    Eye—and mindset—of the beholder, I suppose.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    If “many fans” see those and think only of the bad, those fans are apparently a minority. Given how well the throwbacks sell, more fans choose the positive connotation of the reds.[/quote]
    I’d say it’s more nostalgia than anything.[/quote]

    Me too. More nostalgia and “a culture of needless consumption” than any positive memories of the team in that uniform.

    [quote comment=”380528″]
    If “many fans” see those and think only of the bad, those fans are apparently a minority. Given how well the throwbacks sell, more fans choose the positive connotation of the reds.[/quote]

    Don’t forget about all the clueless hardcore fans who buy the throwbacks for no reason other than because the team is wearing them. Look at how well all of the yellow & brown Broncos garbage sold… and those were both nearly unanimously ugly and originally worn by a bad team. I doubt that very many people are factoring history into whether or not they decide to buy their team’s latest throwback jersey.

    Why aren’t the Giants’ striped socks getting more of the spotlight. I think they’re one of the best uniform upgrades by any team in quite some time. Subtle, yet quite drastic in a simple way when viewed with the whole uniform.

    And yes, I used subtle, drastic, and simple all in the same sentence. Beat that.

    Enjoyed viewing the Super Jets LP.

    Noticed on the cover that it looks like Namath has an Errol Flynn moustache. On the back, Super Bowl score is incorrect.

    Can anyone do a side by side comparison of the AFL jersey the Pats wore last season and the 85 throwback the Pats plan on wearing next?

    [quote comment=”380538″]Enjoyed viewing the Super Jets LP.

    Noticed on the cover that it looks like Namath has an Errol Flynn moustache. On the back, Super Bowl score is incorrect.[/quote]

    Yeah, someone (not me) drew the mustache on him. No extra charge for that!

    [quote comment=”380534″][quote comment=”380532″][quote comment=”380528″][quote comment=”380524″][quote comment=”380522″][quote comment=”380499″]
    They did go to the Super Bowl in those unis, right?
    Yah, they got pummeled by what some say was the best NFL defense ever (at least for one season), but they got there. First wild card team to do so, weren’t they?

    Guess it’s true, if you lose the Super Bowl, fans think you’re a loser. Junk. Trash. Worthless. Finishing second makes you the same caliber as a team that went 1-15. (ref: “Peyton Manning’s not that good after all; we now see how bad he sucks”…oh, riiiiiight)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s more than Super Bowl 20, though. Those Patriots jerseys, for many fans, reflect a culture of losing that existed in Foxboro for a long time, including the pathetic 1-15 season under Rod Rust in 1989. And if it wasn’t losing, it was incomptence of the ownership groups led by the Sullivan family and then Victor Kiam.[/quote]

    Oh, I get that. Know all about it. Just saying also could choose to recall something memorably GOOD they accomplished in those unis. Like, oh, say, the team’s first (of many, in fact) trips to the Super Bowl.

    Eye—and mindset—of the beholder, I suppose.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    If “many fans” see those and think only of the bad, those fans are apparently a minority. Given how well the throwbacks sell, more fans choose the positive connotation of the reds.[/quote]
    I’d say it’s more nostalgia than anything.[/quote]

    Me too. More nostalgia and “a culture of needless consumption” than any positive memories of the team in that uniform.[/quote]

    Maybe the Saints should get rid of the fleur de lis as it represents 42 years of losing? Yeah, one Super Bowl now but it’s not that much different than the Pats is it?

    How about just the fact those uniforms look GOOD? Isn’t that a good enough reason to bring them back?

    [quote comment=”380539″]Can anyone do a side by side comparison of the AFL jersey the Pats wore last season and the 85 throwback the Pats plan on wearing next?[/quote]

    like this

    (not mine, just happened to see that doing a quick search)

    I usually just read the RSS feed for the site, but those posters reminded me why I came here in the first place. Absolutely stunning.

    [quote comment=”380500″][quote comment=”380494″]If the Patriots wanted to wear red, they should have made an alt jersey from the existing look.[/quote]

    oh, christ no[/quote]

    Pretty much just quoting for truth. Sure, they had some terrible teams in the Pat Patriot days, but they looked great. Just because they’re reverting to this uniform doesn’t mean the team’s going to suddenly suck.

    (And yay, another throwback jersey I really can’t afford to buy. I did snag an AFL Pats jersey last fall though.)

    The posters are excellent.

    I have half a mind to print them out and laminate them for my classroom.

    A few questions and observations:

    The subject of the Belly Itcher poster reminds me of Mr. Garrison from South Park.

    BTW, do the graphics below the mound refer to anything?

    link

    In the “Local Hero” poster with the Seahawks helmet, it sure seems that some of the players were lifted from actual action shots.

    link

    For example, the QB in the lower lefthand side, sure does remind me of Dan Marino, towel, facemask and all.

    link

    Above Marino and to the right a bit is Marcus Allen.

    The large player in the left center is Bennie Blades and the player at 3 O’Clock is the Orlando Breakers RB always used in electronics ads in the Sunday papers.

    [quote comment=”380535″][quote comment=”380528″]
    If “many fans” see those and think only of the bad, those fans are apparently a minority. Given how well the throwbacks sell, more fans choose the positive connotation of the reds.[/quote]

    Don’t forget about all the clueless hardcore fans who buy the throwbacks for no reason other than because the team is wearing them. Look at how well all of the yellow & brown Broncos garbage sold… and those were both nearly unanimously ugly and originally worn by a bad team. I doubt that very many people are factoring history into whether or not they decide to buy their team’s latest throwback jersey.[/quote]

    Oh, that’s right, history and nostalgia should only be about winning. That should be the sole benchmark. Couldn’t possibly just be about remembering when the AFL was new, and the uphill battle they fought (and basically won), despite meager beginnings.

    Yeah, just count the W’s. Nothing else has any relevance.

    Besides, it OLD. And old automatically sucks, right. I mean, sheesh, if I wasn’t were even born yet to set the world straight on how it should have done things, so how could it have any significance whatsoever except as an example of marketing bullshit to stupid and clueless people?

    (and don’t start telling me that I think everything old is good and everything new is bad. That would be a flat-out lie. I just prefer a little more insight than “it’s before my time, it’s ugly and it’s dumb”.)

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”380542″][quote comment=”380539″]Can anyone do a side by side comparison of the AFL jersey the Pats wore last season and the 85 throwback the Pats plan on wearing next?[/quote]

    link

    (not mine, just happened to see that doing a quick search)[/quote]

    I think he was looking for something more like this –

    link vs. link.

    Biggest differences – blue stripe on helmet, thicker pant stripes, blue outline on jersey numbers.

    [quote comment=”380548″][quote comment=”380542″][quote comment=”380539″]Can anyone do a side by side comparison of the AFL jersey the Pats wore last season and the 85 throwback the Pats plan on wearing next?[/quote]

    link

    (not mine, just happened to see that doing a quick search)[/quote]

    I think he was looking for something more like this –

    link vs. link.

    Biggest differences – blue stripe on helmet, thicker pant stripes, blue outline on jersey numbers.[/quote]
    Argh, you were right. the graphic you posted looked like the 1963 old v retro, but now i see the outline….

    [quote comment=”380541″][quote comment=”380534″][quote comment=”380532″][quote comment=”380528″][quote comment=”380524″][quote comment=”380522″][quote comment=”380499″]
    They did go to the Super Bowl in those unis, right?
    Yah, they got pummeled by what some say was the best NFL defense ever (at least for one season), but they got there. First wild card team to do so, weren’t they?

    Guess it’s true, if you lose the Super Bowl, fans think you’re a loser. Junk. Trash. Worthless. Finishing second makes you the same caliber as a team that went 1-15. (ref: “Peyton Manning’s not that good after all; we now see how bad he sucks”…oh, riiiiiight)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s more than Super Bowl 20, though. Those Patriots jerseys, for many fans, reflect a culture of losing that existed in Foxboro for a long time, including the pathetic 1-15 season under Rod Rust in 1989. And if it wasn’t losing, it was incomptence of the ownership groups led by the Sullivan family and then Victor Kiam.[/quote]

    Oh, I get that. Know all about it. Just saying also could choose to recall something memorably GOOD they accomplished in those unis. Like, oh, say, the team’s first (of many, in fact) trips to the Super Bowl.

    Eye—and mindset—of the beholder, I suppose.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    If “many fans” see those and think only of the bad, those fans are apparently a minority. Given how well the throwbacks sell, more fans choose the positive connotation of the reds.[/quote]
    I’d say it’s more nostalgia than anything.[/quote]

    Me too. More nostalgia and “a culture of needless consumption” than any positive memories of the team in that uniform.[/quote]

    Maybe the Saints should get rid of the fleur de lis as it represents 42 years of losing? Yeah, one Super Bowl now but it’s not that much different than the Pats is it?

    How about just the fact those uniforms look GOOD? Isn’t that a good enough reason to bring them back?[/quote]

    I think the uniforms look fantastic and are vastly superior to the garbage they typically trot out in. And yes, looking good should be reason enough to buy one.

    I disagree with the notion that people are buying them (in large numbers) because of positive memories of the teams in them.

    groton stripes. went to middlesex. sweet mems. one of my best games on the road against those stripes. when they were more stripey. not too long ago. only 1973.

    [quote comment=”380530″][quote comment=”380521″][quote comment=”380517″]
    Ah, yes, the legacy of Calvin Griffith.
    Calvin was informed he’d save $10,000 a year in jersey replacement and labor costs going the template route.
    And somehow, the templates just stayed through the years.

    Now you know….the rest of the story.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    And anything which removes the stain of Calvin Griffith’s legacy is a good thing for the sport.[/quote]

    Is that really why the Twins had number-only home jerseys for so many years? They looked great, and I always thought it was an effort to be traditional.

    At least the Twins’ NOBs are thinner and much less prominent than the number. I’d rather see them make the number an inch or two bigger and dump the NOB entirely.[/quote]

    Yes, that’s why no home NOB. At least how it started for the Twins.

    —Ricko

    “…it is speed lines…” ?

    (“I particularly like how the incoming pitch and it’s speed lines evoke the Dodgers logo.”)

    [quote comment=”380554″]”…it is speed lines…” ?

    (“I particularly like how the incoming pitch and it’s speed lines evoke the Dodgers logo.”)[/quote]

    Y’know, when we catch stuff like that we can click the “CONTACT” link at the top right. Beside the nameplate.

    But I suppose there’s more satisfaction in posting it, huh.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”380548″][quote comment=”380542″][quote comment=”380539″]Can anyone do a side by side comparison of the AFL jersey the Pats wore last season and the 85 throwback the Pats plan on wearing next?[/quote]

    link

    (not mine, just happened to see that doing a quick search)[/quote]

    I think he was looking for something more like this –

    link vs. link.

    Biggest differences – blue stripe on helmet, thicker pant stripes, blue outline on jersey numbers.[/quote]

    Sure. Ignore the fact that black men were allowed to play in the league in 1985 … at least during away games …

    [quote comment=”380516″]The Supreme Leader can’t keep his guys in their kit — North Korea traveled to Venezuela earlier this week for a pre-World Cup friendly…and lost their unis. Top item link.[/quote]
    I’m not following you on the ‘supreme leader’ bit….. Kim Il or the incredibly expanding Huguito Chavez??? :)

    [quote comment=”380522″][quote comment=”380499″]
    They did go to the Super Bowl in those unis, right?
    Yah, they got pummeled by what some say was the best NFL defense ever (at least for one season), but they got there. First wild card team to do so, weren’t they?

    Guess it’s true, if you lose the Super Bowl, fans think you’re a loser. Junk. Trash. Worthless. Finishing second makes you the same caliber as a team that went 1-15. (ref: “Peyton Manning’s not that good after all; we now see how bad he sucks”…oh, riiiiiight)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s more than Super Bowl 20, though. Those Patriots jerseys, for many fans, reflect a culture of losing that existed in Foxboro for a long time, including the pathetic 1-15 season under Rod Rust in 1989. And if it wasn’t losing, it was incomptence of the ownership groups led by the Sullivan family and then Victor Kiam.[/quote]
    Dude…. quit crying. NE has been the franchise of the decade, it’s won multiple SBs and everything in sight–what else do you want?

    Those red unis are brillant and puts the Pats in the upper eschelon uni wise. Quit crying over the Sulliver/Kiam incompetence and enjoy the return of a great uni and score one for old skool.

    [quote comment=”380558″][quote comment=”380522″][quote comment=”380499″]
    They did go to the Super Bowl in those unis, right?
    Yah, they got pummeled by what some say was the best NFL defense ever (at least for one season), but they got there. First wild card team to do so, weren’t they?

    Guess it’s true, if you lose the Super Bowl, fans think you’re a loser. Junk. Trash. Worthless. Finishing second makes you the same caliber as a team that went 1-15. (ref: “Peyton Manning’s not that good after all; we now see how bad he sucks”…oh, riiiiiight)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s more than Super Bowl 20, though. Those Patriots jerseys, for many fans, reflect a culture of losing that existed in Foxboro for a long time, including the pathetic 1-15 season under Rod Rust in 1989. And if it wasn’t losing, it was incomptence of the ownership groups led by the Sullivan family and then Victor Kiam.[/quote]
    Dude…. quit crying. NE has been the franchise of the decade, it’s won multiple SBs and everything in sight–what else do you want?

    Those red unis are brillant and puts the Pats in the upper eschelon uni wise. Quit crying over the Sulliver/Kiam incompetence and enjoy the return of a great uni and score one for old skool.[/quote]
    What I was trying to say in my hamfisted way is that 10 years of rampant winning should erase all bad memories—-don’t you read Bill Simmons?

    Surely a Pat’s fan reads the ex.boston sports guy.

    [quote comment=”380540″][quote comment=”380538″]Enjoyed viewing the Super Jets LP.

    Noticed on the cover that it looks like Namath has an Errol Flynn moustache. On the back, Super Bowl score is incorrect.[/quote]

    Yeah, someone (not me) drew the mustache on him. No extra charge for that![/quote]
    Shouldn’t that ‘stach be more a Fu Manchu than an ‘Errol Flynn’? Should knock a few quarters off the asking price. :)

    [quote comment=”380548″][quote comment=”380542″][quote comment=”380539″]Can anyone do a side by side comparison of the AFL jersey the Pats wore last season and the 85 throwback the Pats plan on wearing next?[/quote]

    link

    (not mine, just happened to see that doing a quick search)[/quote]

    I think he was looking for something more like this –

    link vs. link.

    Biggest differences – blue stripe on helmet, thicker pant stripes, blue outline on jersey numbers.[/quote]Thanks for the comparisons, also note shoulder yoke stripes. Blue/white /blue vice white/blue/white

    [quote comment=”380561″][quote comment=”380548″][quote comment=”380542″][quote comment=”380539″]Can anyone do a side by side comparison of the AFL jersey the Pats wore last season and the 85 throwback the Pats plan on wearing next?[/quote]

    link

    (not mine, just happened to see that doing a quick search)[/quote]

    I think he was looking for something more like this –

    link vs. link.

    Biggest differences – blue stripe on helmet, thicker pant stripes, blue outline on jersey numbers.[/quote]Thanks for the comparisons, also note shoulder yoke stripes. Blue/white /blue vice white/blue/white[/quote]

    Patriots went from loops…
    to no loops (just sleeve TVs)…
    to USFL-style stripes (Stingley, Stanley Morgan, Russ Francis era)
    then back to loops (about the time Irving Fryar was a rookie).
    But, they went back to loops Pats had worn only in 1960…white around royal. After that, had been royal around white.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”380494″][quote comment=”380479″]Looks like the Pats will be wearing 1985 throwbacks this coming season.

    link

    Too bad. If the Patriots wanted to wear red, they should have made an alt jersey from the existing look, rather than going back to an appearance that only brings back memories of a lousy franchise.[/quote]

    Yes, going to the Super Bowl simply was a horrible season. Especially that road win in the Orange Bowl against Dan Marino’s Dolphins for the AFC championship.

    [quote comment=”380563″][quote comment=”380561″][quote comment=”380548″][quote comment=”380542″][quote comment=”380539″]Can anyone do a side by side comparison of the AFL jersey the Pats wore last season and the 85 throwback the Pats plan on wearing next?[/quote]

    link

    (not mine, just happened to see that doing a quick search)[/quote]

    I think he was looking for something more like this –

    link vs. link.

    Biggest differences – blue stripe on helmet, thicker pant stripes, blue outline on jersey numbers.[/quote]Thanks for the comparisons, also note shoulder yoke stripes. Blue/white /blue vice white/blue/white[/quote]

    Patriots went from loops…
    to no loops (just sleeve TVs)…
    to USFL-style stripes (Stingley, Stanley Morgan, Russ Francis era)
    then back to loops (about the time Irving Fryar was a rookie).
    But, they went back to loops Pats had worn only in 1960…white around royal. After that, had been royal around white.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    In their case, they were standardizing the striping pattern.

    Helmet – white shell, red/white/blue/white/red stripes.

    Home jersey – red jersey/white/blue/white/red jersey

    Home pants – white pants, red/white/blue/white/red stripes

    Road jersey – white jersey, red/white/blue/white/red stripes

    Road pants – red pants/white/blue/white/red jersey

    In all cases, it’s a red/white/blue/white/red pattern. When the background is red, there’s one fewer set of stripes.

    [quote comment=”380560″][quote comment=”380540″][quote comment=”380538″]Enjoyed viewing the Super Jets LP.

    Noticed on the cover that it looks like Namath has an Errol Flynn moustache. On the back, Super Bowl score is incorrect.[/quote]

    Yeah, someone (not me) drew the mustache on him. No extra charge for that![/quote]
    Shouldn’t that ‘stach be more a Fu Manchu than an ‘Errol Flynn’? Should knock a few quarters off the asking price. :)[/quote]

    Here’s the link.

    I’ve been told that its proper name is a horseshoe. The Fu Manchu should only be hair from above the upper lip that is grown longer and hangs down at the ends.

    So when do we start the special StacheWatch segment?

    [quote comment=”380559″][quote comment=”380558″][quote comment=”380522″][quote comment=”380499″]
    They did go to the Super Bowl in those unis, right?
    Yah, they got pummeled by what some say was the best NFL defense ever (at least for one season), but they got there. First wild card team to do so, weren’t they?

    Guess it’s true, if you lose the Super Bowl, fans think you’re a loser. Junk. Trash. Worthless. Finishing second makes you the same caliber as a team that went 1-15. (ref: “Peyton Manning’s not that good after all; we now see how bad he sucks”…oh, riiiiiight)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    It’s more than Super Bowl 20, though. Those Patriots jerseys, for many fans, reflect a culture of losing that existed in Foxboro for a long time, including the pathetic 1-15 season under Rod Rust in 1989. And if it wasn’t losing, it was incomptence of the ownership groups led by the Sullivan family and then Victor Kiam.[/quote]
    Dude…. quit crying. NE has been the franchise of the decade, it’s won multiple SBs and everything in sight–what else do you want?

    Those red unis are brillant and puts the Pats in the upper eschelon uni wise. Quit crying over the Sulliver/Kiam incompetence and enjoy the return of a great uni and score one for old skool.[/quote]
    What I was trying to say in my hamfisted way is that 10 years of rampant winning should erase all bad memories—-don’t you read Bill Simmons?

    Surely a Pat’s fan reads the ex.boston sports guy.[/quote]

    Raiders, 1980 — first wild card team in Super Bowl, I think. Lester Hayes and stickum year.

    [quote comment=”380557″][quote comment=”380516″]The Supreme Leader can’t keep his guys in their kit — North Korea traveled to Venezuela earlier this week for a pre-World Cup friendly…and lost their unis. Top item link.[/quote]
    I’m not following you on the ‘supreme leader’ bit….. Kim Il or the incredibly expanding Huguito Chavez??? :)[/quote]

    How about: Kim Jong Il = Supreme Leader::Hugo Chavez = Super-size-me Leader.

    By the way, New England had some really good teams in those unis from the mid-1970s until that Super Bowl year of 1985. The red unis are great and the blue unis should have been modeled after them. I even liked the red pants, and I usually don’t like dark parnts.

    Ricko said…

    Patriots went from loops…
    to no loops (just sleeve TVs)…
    to USFL-style stripes (Stingley, Stanley Morgan, Russ Francis era)
    then back to loops (about the time Irving Fryar was a rookie).
    But, they went back to loops Pats had worn only in 1960…white around royal. After that, had been royal around white.

    –Ricko

    chance michaels said…

    In their case, they were standardizing the striping pattern.

    Helmet — white shell, red/white/blue/white/red stripes.

    Home jersey — red jersey/white/blue/white/red jersey

    Home pants — white pants, red/white/blue/white/red stripes

    Road jersey — white jersey, red/white/blue/white/red stripes

    Road pants — red pants/white/blue/white/red jersey

    In all cases, it’s a red/white/blue/white/red pattern. When the background is red, there’s one fewer set of stripes.

    Did it sound like I said they did something wrong?
    Didn’t mean that, was just pointing it out …about the ’60-only loops style.
    First time I saw the returned loops I thought they looked better with white-royal-white. Still do.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”380531″][quote comment=”380507″][quote comment=”380499″]They did go to the Super Bowl in those unis, right?
    Yah, they got pummeled by what some say was the best NFL defense ever (at least for one season), but they got there. First wild card team to do so, weren’t they?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    ’80 Raiders were first ‘true’ Wild Card to get to the SB against Eagles. ’85 Pats were the first Wild Card to win 3 road games to get to the SB.[/quote]

    Super Bowl 10 – Cowboys were a wild card team:
    link

    And even though it wasn’t called Wild Card then, the link
    (won at NYJ and OAK to get to SB IV)

    [quote comment=”380574″][quote comment=”380531″][quote comment=”380507″][quote comment=”380499″]They did go to the Super Bowl in those unis, right?
    Yah, they got pummeled by what some say was the best NFL defense ever (at least for one season), but they got there. First wild card team to do so, weren’t they?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    ’80 Raiders were first ‘true’ Wild Card to get to the SB against Eagles. ’85 Pats were the first Wild Card to win 3 road games to get to the SB.[/quote]

    Super Bowl 10 – Cowboys were a wild card team:
    link

    And even though it wasn’t called Wild Card then, the link
    (won at NYJ and OAK to get to SB IV)[/quote]

    It might as well have been called a wild-card team.

    “I like how this mascot gallery looks like a slightly beat-up LP cover from the 1960s.”

    At first glance, I thought the link resembled link!

    [quote comment=”380568″][quote comment=”380563″][quote comment=”380561″][quote comment=”380548″][quote comment=”380542″][quote comment=”380539″]Can anyone do a side by side comparison of the AFL jersey the Pats wore last season and the 85 throwback the Pats plan on wearing next?[/quote]

    link

    (not mine, just happened to see that doing a quick search)[/quote]

    I think he was looking for something more like this –

    link vs. link.

    Biggest differences – blue stripe on helmet, thicker pant stripes, blue outline on jersey numbers.[/quote]Thanks for the comparisons, also note shoulder yoke stripes. Blue/white /blue vice white/blue/white[/quote]

    Patriots went from loops…
    to no loops (just sleeve TVs)…
    to USFL-style stripes (Stingley, Stanley Morgan, Russ Francis era)
    then back to loops (about the time Irving Fryar was a rookie).
    But, they went back to loops Pats had worn only in 1960…white around royal. After that, had been royal around white.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    In their case, they were standardizing the striping pattern.

    Helmet – white shell, red/white/blue/white/red stripes.

    Home jersey – red jersey/white/blue/white/red jersey

    Home pants – white pants, red/white/blue/white/red stripes

    Road jersey – white jersey, red/white/blue/white/red stripes

    Road pants – red pants/white/blue/white/red jersey

    In all cases, it’s a red/white/blue/white/red pattern. When the background is red, there’s one fewer set of stripes.[/quote]

    Which, in my opinion, is the epitome of boring and uncreative. Say what you will about ‘consistency,’ but I feel that different, but coordinating stripe patterns are more fun to look at than the exact same pattern over the whole thing.

    For example, on the Pats’ 1963 throwbacks from last season, I love how the R/W/R stripe on the helmet, the B/W/B and B/R/B shoulder loops on the jerseys, the R/W/B/W/R stripe on the pants and the W/B/W/B/W stripe on those red socks all work together to create something that’s a little eccentric, and maybe a little imperfect, too, but overall really exciting to look at.

    [quote comment=”380579″]Much to be enjoyed here:

    link

    for example …

    link:./temp/~ammem_wKsm::

    (no doubt you’d find a horse and buggy in any picture of the skydome being built, as well)

    how fitting that paul included that dan savage piece today. my boss gives me a “night off” shift on thursdays and i work at a bowling alley, it’s easy~breezy, nobody yells at me or throws chairs yada yada. anyway, every week i read the chicago version of every city’s free paper(the reader) it tells you where shellac is playing on march 20, or what gallery has the stirrup art, whatever. with that in mind…

    i found it disconcerting that a bird named drinky crow managed to take a night off in maakies for personal reasons.

    i found it more disconcerting that there was a comic i had never seen, whose name i can’t remember that had directly ripped off characters from link. perhaps every local paper from new york to san francisco carries this miserable plagiarist. but if you see the little guy with the bowler hat, and the big guy with the crown, it’s a not even a masked rip~off of link. i can not believe his estate does not litigate.

    now to savage, what paul didn’t print, and how it relates to uniwatch. i will try to sum up briefly…apparently vic toews is a family values guy who is not for gay this or that, says homosexuals promote promiscuity, which turns out to be ironic because toews himself had an affair while he was married, yada yada he’s a hypocrite. so savage is calling for canadians, like he has in the past in this county, to name a dirty sex act after toews’ hypocrisy. irregardless of politics, i think it apt, and funny and can’t wait to find out what horrible mess will be named after the guy. but that brings me to the uni watch and names. the comments is one thing, but getting posted is another on pseudonyms. i am sure you are all fine people, but i am sick of seeing hungry hipster, coachie ballgames, or anything else in the ticker. if you can’t give your real name, don’t submit. unless you are in fact barack obama and don’t want the country to know you read the UW when the country is in the crapper, you are lame, use your damn name. and if you can’t use your name, perhaps an email should be used in it’s replace. full circle on savage, maybe we should name the most foul uni violations after these psyeudos. perhaps pajamas are hungry hungry hoof covers, or stupid pipes on a jersey are coachies. i am sorry, but i am sick of people using stupid names in the post. by the way rpm is robert paul marshall III, 1932 s. halsted chicago IL 60608, my email is out there, i am a real person who stands behind his words right or wrong always, as opposed to buzz bentwood, which was my pornstar name.

    there, i said it, now i can move on. and yes my spam word is “move”.

    [quote comment=”380580″]
    for example …

    link:./temp/~ammem_wKsm::

    [/quote]

    isn’t that ricko in the lower right ;)

    [quote comment=”380581″]how fitting that paul included that dan savage piece today. my boss gives me a “night off” shift on thursdays and i work at a bowling alley, it’s easy~breezy, nobody yells at me or throws chairs yada yada. anyway, every week i read the chicago version of every city’s free paper(the reader) it tells you where shellac is playing on march 20, or what gallery has the stirrup art, whatever. with that in mind…

    i found it disconcerting that a bird named drinky crow managed to take a night off in maakies for personal reasons.

    i found it more disconcerting that there was a comic i had never seen, whose name i can’t remember that had directly ripped off characters from <a href="link pintoff. perhaps every local paper from new york to san francisco carries this miserable plagiarist. but if you see the little guy with the bowler hat, and the big guy with the crown, it’s a not even a masked rip~off of link. i can not believe his estate does not litigate.

    now to savage, what paul didn’t print, and how it relates to uniwatch. i will try to sum up briefly…apparently vic toews is a family values guy who is not for gay this or that, says homosexuals promote promiscuity, which turns out to be ironic because toews himself had an affair while he was married, yada yada he’s a hypocrite. so savage is calling for canadians, like he has in the past in this county, to name a dirty sex act after toews’ hypocrisy. irregardless of politics, i think it apt, and funny and can’t wait to find out what horrible mess will be named after the guy. but that brings me to the uni watch and names. the comments is one thing, but getting posted is another on pseudonyms. i am sure you are all fine people, but i am sick of seeing hungry hipster, coachie ballgames, or anything else in the ticker. if you can’t give your real name, don’t submit. unless you are in fact barack obama and don’t want the country to know you read the UW when the country is in the crapper, you are lame, use your damn name. and if you can’t use your name, perhaps an email should be used in it’s replace. full circle on savage, maybe we should name the most foul uni violations after these psyeudos. perhaps pajamas are hungry hungry hoof covers, or stupid pipes on a jersey are coachies. i am sorry, but i am sick of people using stupid names in the post. by the way rpm is robert paul marshall III, 1932 s. halsted chicago IL 60608, my email is out there, i am a real person who stands behind his words right or wrong always, as opposed to buzz bentwood, which was my pornstar name.

    there, i said it, now i can move on. and yes my spam word is “move”.[/quote]
    Buzz Brentwood?
    Mine was Sam Worthington.

    [quote comment=”380582″][quote comment=”380580″]
    for example …

    link:./temp/~ammem_wKsm::

    [/quote]

    isn’t that ricko in the lower right ;)[/quote]

    font show-off

    nice to meet you sam, i hear you use you mallet on wicket pitch, that’s crazy. you should be ashamed.

    wait, i should have changed my name…
    nice to meet you sam, i hear you use you mallet on wicket pitch, that’s crazy. you should be ashamed.

    yeah! what’s with people’s ticker names? own up senors obamas.

    [quote comment=”380587″]wait, i should have changed my name…
    nice to meet you sam, i hear you use you mallet on wicket pitch, that’s crazy. you should be ashamed.[/quote]

    [quote comment=”380587″]at least robert paul marshall III owns his bad grammar.[/quote]

    [quote comment=”380587″]dang man, that rpm has a point[/quote]

    [quote comment=”380587″]yeah! what’s with people’s ticker names? own up senors obamas.[/quote]

    your porn name was jeff stryker, wasn’t it

    [quote comment=”380592″][quote comment=”380587″]wait, i should have changed my name…
    nice to meet you sam, i hear you use you mallet on wicket pitch, that’s crazy. you should be ashamed.[/quote]

    [quote comment=”380587″]at least robert paul marshall III owns his bad grammar.[/quote]

    [quote comment=”380587″]dang man, that rpm has a point[/quote]

    [quote comment=”380587″]yeah! what’s with people’s ticker names? own up senors obamas.[/quote]

    your porn name was jeff stryker, wasn’t it[/quote]

    nope, buzz bentwood. but maybe if i had a chance to do it again it would be comments killer.

    i’m just sayin’, comments are one thing, and i hate the hiding in that too, but the ticker? how about just credit it to air, or nothin’, or little birdie for now on. what the hell is a hungry hungry coachie? it’s a nothing, it’s a non entity, a fart in the wind…not it.

    [quote comment=”380494″]Too bad. If the Patriots wanted to wear red, they should have made an alt jersey from the existing look, rather than going back to an appearance that only brings back memories of a lousy franchise.[/quote]

    1985.

    AFC Champions.

    And once you get a certain length of time away from a bad period in a franchise history, many folks don’t seem to mind being reminded of those days. See Creamsicles.

    [quote comment=”380532″]I’d say it’s more nostalgia than anything.[/quote]

    And “nostalgia” literally means “the pain from an old wound.”

    It’s a jersey. It’s colorful. It’s attractive. It’s not splitting the atom.

    [quote comment=”380550″]I disagree with the notion that people are buying them (in large numbers) because of positive memories of the teams in them.[/quote]

    So why don’t you ask them why they’re doing it?

    Masochism?

    First off, you and I aren’t buying them. I’m not a Patriots fan. I have a Doug Williams throwback in Florida orange and white with red trim. The Bucs (largely) sucked in them (except for glorious 1979), yet I was thrilled to see them make a return for a game last year.

    Why?

    Because sometimes memories extend a little deeper than just who won or who lost. Sports is also about the shared experience, the emotional attachment to something (and I daresay the emotions are different when your team is 0-26 and then wins one than when your ‘team of the decade’ wins the Super Bowl three times in four years and your emotion then becomes ‘anything other than continuing to win and dominate leaves me disappointed and depressed.’).

    Plus, like I said…enough times go by, you remember following a team, going to games with your friends, the ups and downs, the players who were great despite your team sucking, the players who were supposed to be great but weren’t, the incidents, the heartbreaking losses and the great wins.

    Not everybody has the same tastes or motivations. Not everybody does things the way you do. One of the huge problems with the commenters on this site is presuming that everything is aimed at you. It’s not aimed at you. You’re not a Patriots fan. Whether the Tampa Bay Lightning has “BOLTS” on their third jerseys or not is not about you – it’s not aimed at you. It’s aimed at Lightning fans. If you’re not one, who cares what you think, really?

    [quote comment=”380494″][quote comment=”380479″]Looks like the Pats will be wearing 1985 throwbacks this coming season.

    link

    Too bad. If the Patriots wanted to wear red, they should have made an alt jersey from the existing look, rather than going back to an appearance that only brings back memories of a lousy franchise.[/quote]

    I kinda disagree.

    The wearing of the Throwback unis, even unis from a crappy era in the team’s history, honors the memory of those teams and players and the fans that suffered through those eras. It creates a linear connection from beginning to end, and connects old to new, those that are gone to those that are here. That is a part of team support and devotion. The wearing of those throwback unis are a very large part of that connection, as far as I am concerned.

    I suffered through many, many a crappy Saints season and era. I do not want to eliminate all of my team’s history, or the memories of my supporting my team, to simply believe or honor only that which exists in the here and now – which happens to be the Saints’ only championship season.

    While this season and era was the best, it is not the only. And the 3-11 seasons are also very important to me, as well as the players that made a good effort and fell short, as well as the uni styles that they wore.

    So go ahead and have your Patriot Red Jersey bonfire – instead I will choose to remember all of the experience, and in doing so it will make the current era all the more sweeter ….

    [quote comment=”380597″][quote comment=”380550″]I disagree with the notion that people are buying them (in large numbers) because of positive memories of the teams in them.[/quote]

    So why don’t you ask them why they’re doing it?

    Masochism?

    First off, you and I aren’t buying them. I’m not a Patriots fan. I have a Doug Williams throwback in Florida orange and white with red trim. The Bucs (largely) sucked in them (except for glorious 1979), yet I was thrilled to see them make a return for a game last year.

    Why?

    Because sometimes memories extend a little deeper than just who won or who lost. Sports is also about the shared experience, the emotional attachment to something (and I daresay the emotions are different when your team is 0-26 and then wins one than when your ‘team of the decade’ wins the Super Bowl three times in four years and your emotion then becomes ‘anything other than continuing to win and dominate leaves me disappointed and depressed.’).

    Plus, like I said…enough times go by, you remember following a team, going to games with your friends, the ups and downs, the players who were great despite your team sucking, the players who were supposed to be great but weren’t, the incidents, the heartbreaking losses and the great wins.

    Not everybody has the same tastes or motivations. Not everybody does things the way you do. One of the huge problems with the commenters on this site is presuming that everything is aimed at you. It’s not aimed at you. You’re not a Patriots fan. Whether the Tampa Bay Lightning has “BOLTS” on their third jerseys or not is not about you – it’s not aimed at you. It’s aimed at Lightning fans. If you’re not one, who cares what you think, really?[/quote]
    I wish they were called the Bolts. Or even the Lightning Bolts. I feel like those non-S-ending
    teams are pointing directly at me and laughing.

    [quote comment=”380581″]now to savage, what paul didn’t print, and how it relates to uniwatch. i will try to sum up briefly…apparently vic toews is a family values guy who is not for gay this or that, says homosexuals promote promiscuity, which turns out to be ironic because toews himself had an affair while he was married, yada yada he’s a hypocrite. so savage is calling for canadians, like he has in the past in this county, to name a dirty sex act after toews’ hypocrisy. irregardless of politics, i think it apt, and funny and can’t wait to find out what horrible mess will be named after the guy. but that brings me to the uni watch and names. the comments is one thing, but getting posted is another on pseudonyms. i am sure you are all fine people, but i am sick of seeing hungry hipster, coachie ballgames, or anything else in the ticker. if you can’t give your real name, don’t submit. unless you are in fact barack obama and don’t want the country to know you read the UW when the country is in the crapper, you are lame, use your damn name. and if you can’t use your name, perhaps an email should be used in it’s replace. full circle on savage, maybe we should name the most foul uni violations after these psyeudos. perhaps pajamas are hungry hungry hoof covers, or stupid pipes on a jersey are coachies. i am sorry, but i am sick of people using stupid names in the post. by the way rpm is robert paul marshall III, 1932 s. halsted chicago IL 60608, my email is out there, i am a real person who stands behind his words right or wrong always, as opposed to buzz bentwood, which was my pornstar name.

    there, i said it, now i can move on. and yes my spam word is “move”.[/quote]
    In the link there’s a comment from a guy named Toews who basically tells Dan to go fuck himself for trying to drag his family name through the mud because of this one hypocritical prick.

    Now I love Dan Savage, but I gotta agree with that Toews guy who posted the comment.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    And I will never reveal my identity here. Good luck figuring out my name, sucka!

    john henry toews said:
    “Now I love Dan Savage, but I gotta agree with that Toews guy who posted the comment.”

    oh well for toews everywhere, too bad for you, maybe the next time someone takes a plotz on something they shouldn’t and someone else gets the nudge from it while in a jungle gym, i guess i will think toews, or whatever a “give n toewes” turns out to be. don’t drag my “name” is not an argument.

    [quote comment=”380597″][quote comment=”380550″]I disagree with the notion that people are buying them (in large numbers) because of positive memories of the teams in them.[/quote]

    So why don’t you ask them why they’re doing it?

    Masochism?

    First off, you and I aren’t buying them. I’m not a Patriots fan. I have a Doug Williams throwback in Florida orange and white with red trim. The Bucs (largely) sucked in them (except for glorious 1979), yet I was thrilled to see them make a return for a game last year.

    Why?

    Because sometimes memories extend a little deeper than just who won or who lost. Sports is also about the shared experience, the emotional attachment to something (and I daresay the emotions are different when your team is 0-26 and then wins one than when your ‘team of the decade’ wins the Super Bowl three times in four years and your emotion then becomes ‘anything other than continuing to win and dominate leaves me disappointed and depressed.’).

    Plus, like I said…enough times go by, you remember following a team, going to games with your friends, the ups and downs, the players who were great despite your team sucking, the players who were supposed to be great but weren’t, the incidents, the heartbreaking losses and the great wins.

    Not everybody has the same tastes or motivations. Not everybody does things the way you do. One of the huge problems with the commenters on this site is presuming that everything is aimed at you. It’s not aimed at you. You’re not a Patriots fan. Whether the Tampa Bay Lightning has “BOLTS” on their third jerseys or not is not about you – it’s not aimed at you. It’s aimed at Lightning fans. If you’re not one, who cares what you think, really?[/quote]

    hazzah hazzah kevin toews!

    Does Mrs. Powers have a Snuggie?

    Bet she doesn’t have a Cavs Snuggie:
    link

    Trying to set a Guinness world record for the most people wearing a Snuggie in one place.
    link
    Seriously.

    until i watched the olympics, i thought toews was pronounced, ya know…”toes”

    i was wrong

    [quote comment=”380602″]john henry toews said:
    “Now I love Dan Savage, but I gotta agree with that Toews guy who posted the comment.”

    oh well for toews everywhere, too bad for you, maybe the next time someone takes a plotz on something they shouldn’t and someone else gets the nudge from it while in a jungle gym, i guess i will think toews, or whatever a “give n toewes” turns out to be. don’t drag my “name” is not an argument.[/quote]
    Hey, ya clown-shoe-wearing bastard, Hawks fans are doing the LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu chant tonight.

    5-1 at the first intermission.

    [quote comment=”380605″]until i watched the olympics, i thought toews was pronounced, ya know…”toes”

    i was wrong[/quote]
    link?

    [quote comment=”380607″][quote comment=”380605″]until i watched the olympics, i thought toews was pronounced, ya know…”toes”

    i was wrong[/quote]
    link?[/quote]

    that’s pronounced “joe-a-kwin” right?

    [quote comment=”380606″][quote comment=”380602″]john henry toews said:
    “Now I love Dan Savage, but I gotta agree with that Toews guy who posted the comment.”

    oh well for toews everywhere, too bad for you, maybe the next time someone takes a plotz on something they shouldn’t and someone else gets the nudge from it while in a jungle gym, i guess i will think toews, or whatever a “give n toewes” turns out to be. don’t drag my “name” is not an argument.[/quote]
    Hey, ya clown-shoe-wearing bastard, Hawks fans are doing the LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu chant tonight.

    5-1 at the first intermission.[/quote]

    let’s see what happens come playoff john henry, regular season is fun to watch, but a link.
    wait, clown shoe? you sound like the pineapple. i have regular sized feet, y’all are just midgets.

    wow. just checked in. you guys have been having some nonuni fun today.

    Here’s my uniform related contribution of the day. I’ve been wondering how Brad Penney would wear his socks as a Cardinal. Looks like I’ll have to wait til the season starts. I forgot the cards wear “Spring Training Socks”. Do they make those just to make money like the BP hats? These fake stirrups are not only the worst fake job ever, but what’s so difficult about actually wearing the real thing???

    link

    [quote comment=”380608″][quote comment=”380607″][quote comment=”380605″]until i watched the olympics, i thought toews was pronounced, ya know…”toes”

    i was wrong[/quote]
    link?[/quote]
    that’s pronounced “joe-a-kwin” right?[/quote]
    And the surname is Hodge-warsh.

    Another Cardinals stirrup question/comment. When I look at it I see two bands of striping – white blue white is one band and a second white blue white below the line of background red as the other. Another way to look at it could be alternating blue red blue stripes in the middle of a large band of white. But that’s not how it comes across to me. I like it better that way, I just can’s shake the two stripe pattern in my head. Important stuff here.

    [quote comment=”380585″][quote comment=”380581″]how fitting that paul included that dan savage piece today. my boss gives me a “night off” shift on thursdays and i work at a bowling alley, it’s easy~breezy, nobody yells at me or throws chairs yada yada. anyway, every week i read the chicago version of every city’s free paper(the reader) it tells you where shellac is playing on march 20, or what gallery has the stirrup art, whatever. with that in mind…

    i found it disconcerting that a bird named drinky crow managed to take a night off in maakies for personal reasons.

    i found it more disconcerting that there was a comic i had never seen, whose name i can’t remember that had directly ripped off characters from <a href="link pintoff. perhaps every local paper from new york to san francisco carries this miserable plagiarist. but if you see the little guy with the bowler hat, and the big guy with the crown, it’s a not even a masked rip~off of link. i can not believe his estate does not litigate.

    now to savage, what paul didn’t print, and how it relates to uniwatch. i will try to sum up briefly…apparently vic toews is a family values guy who is not for gay this or that, says homosexuals promote promiscuity, which turns out to be ironic because toews himself had an affair while he was married, yada yada he’s a hypocrite. so savage is calling for canadians, like he has in the past in this county, to name a dirty sex act after toews’ hypocrisy. irregardless of politics, i think it apt, and funny and can’t wait to find out what horrible mess will be named after the guy. but that brings me to the uni watch and names. the comments is one thing, but getting posted is another on pseudonyms. i am sure you are all fine people, but i am sick of seeing hungry hipster, coachie ballgames, or anything else in the ticker. if you can’t give your real name, don’t submit. unless you are in fact barack obama and don’t want the country to know you read the UW when the country is in the crapper, you are lame, use your damn name. and if you can’t use your name, perhaps an email should be used in it’s replace. full circle on savage, maybe we should name the most foul uni violations after these psyeudos. perhaps pajamas are hungry hungry hoof covers, or stupid pipes on a jersey are coachies. i am sorry, but i am sick of people using stupid names in the post. by the way rpm is robert paul marshall III, 1932 s. halsted chicago IL 60608, my email is out there, i am a real person who stands behind his words right or wrong always, as opposed to buzz bentwood, which was my pornstar name.

    there, i said it, now i can move on. and yes my spam word is “move”.[/quote]
    Buzz Brentwood?
    Mine was Sam Worthington.[/quote]
    Mine is Al Arauz… and on ocassion: Machine Gun Hendrix

    trax~ i know i was prolly link to say anything, but at least everyone knows the jerk that said it, that’s all.

    also, i used to see 7 stripes, but lately i see the 2 bands of 3 too. drives me crazy, wish i didn’t see it. it’s all is the box going forward or back.

    hibbsy~ machine gun? that’s unfortunate, especially paired with hendrix, since he is sort of a guitar wanker. does that mean you rough up the suspect post haste a la joe mcgrath’s penalty box guy? what was his name? and damned if he wouldn’t…

    @ rpm, not sure I understand the animosity. some of us out there can’t mix our personal day-to-day lives with our online lives. not sure how it affects your ability to enjoy and/or utilize the links in the ticker or in the comments.
    My email address is link and my site is sheahey.blogspot.com
    I greatly respect and enjoy what Paul Lukas has built here, personally it makes no difference whether information is disseminated by someone using their real name or a fake one, seems fairly standard on the internet.

    Not only is Zito a hero for wearing those great socks, but in that same game he (intentionally, it seems, from the teams’ recent history) beaned the fat, baggy-shirt and pajama-pant wearing Prince Fielder in the back with a pitch. Zito is slowly but surely earning that $126 million contract, as long as uniform matters are more important that pitching stats.

    [quote comment=”380617″]Not only is Zito a hero for wearing those great socks, but in that same game he (intentionally, it seems, from the teams’ recent history) beaned the fat, baggy-shirt and pajama-pant wearing Prince Fielder in the back with a pitch. Zito is slowly but surely earning that $126 million contract, as long as uniform matters are more important that pitching stats.[/quote]
    maybe the gesture would have been more meaningful if it had been something other than a 78-mph “fastball.”

    [quote comment=”380477″]Last night at the caps game, I noticed that the capitan “C” and the Alternate’s “A” were of different color (blue with white trim) then the name and # on the back (h:white with blue trim R: Red with Blue trim). Is this common ?

    [Since I’m at work I can’t do the reseach to see what other teams do]

    BTW: The Caps camouflage warm up jerseys looked good. (they later auctioned them off with a portion of the proceeds benefiting three military charities: Fisher House, USO and Wounded Warriors.)

    Also, this saturday, players will wear a special one-game-only set of red jerseys featuring a unique 35th season commemorative patch. They will be hosting a silent auction during the game. The winning bidders will leave Verizon Center that night with an authentic game-worn jersey.[/quote]

    I may be 15 hours late but I might as well answer your question if no one else had (I’m not scanning 153 comments at this hour).
    Yes- the Caps “A” & “C” letters are navy with white trim on both sets of jerseys. The only time this varied was when the new uniforms were introduced in June ’07 and the home red jersey had a white w/ navy trim letter, and the road whites had a red with navy trim letter. The team decided before Opening Night that these stood out too much, so they subdued them both a bit to navy/white.

    [quote comment=”380615″]@ rpm, not sure I understand the animosity. some of us out there can’t mix our personal day-to-day lives with our online lives. not sure how it affects your ability to enjoy and/or utilize the links in the ticker or in the comments.
    My email address is link and my site is sheahey.blogspot.com
    I greatly respect and enjoy what Paul Lukas has built here, personally it makes no difference whether information is disseminated by someone using their real name or a fake one, seems fairly standard on the internet.[/quote]

    sorry coachie, like i said, i am sure you are a nice enough fellow and all, but it does seem a bit off to me, maybe you are ozzie guillen, i dun’know. i guess i just don’t get it, link. and from what was pointed out to me, you post on your own sight as coachie, so it is just a carry over, and i guess that makes sense. but in general, not you specific, what’s to hide? i suppose i always own up for who i am, and what i am in every situation, sometimes i am right, and sometimes i am wrong(like here i guess), but i always admit i am me, i own me proudly, that’s all. and yes, sometimes i am curious to the point of frustration why someone isn’t willing to put their name on a picture of a french mlb rip~off. again, it’s not like 20/20 is gon’a come calling. fine, i’m a jerk on this one, i’m wrong, i am sorry, you aren’t a toews.

    [quote comment=”380620″][quote comment=”380615″]@ rpm, not sure I understand the animosity. some of us out there can’t mix our personal day-to-day lives with our online lives. not sure how it affects your ability to enjoy and/or utilize the links in the ticker or in the comments.
    My email address is link and my site is sheahey.blogspot.com
    I greatly respect and enjoy what Paul Lukas has built here, personally it makes no difference whether information is disseminated by someone using their real name or a fake one, seems fairly standard on the internet.[/quote]

    sorry coachie, like i said, i am sure you are a nice enough fellow and all, but it does seem a bit off to me, maybe you are ozzie guillen, i dun’know. i guess i just don’t get it, link. and from what was pointed out to me, you post on your own sight as coachie, so it is just a carry over, and i guess that makes sense. but in general, not you specific, what’s to hide? i suppose i always own up for who i am, and what i am in every situation, sometimes i am right, and sometimes i am wrong(like here i guess), but i always admit i am me, i own me proudly, that’s all. and yes, sometimes i am curious to the point of frustration why someone isn’t willing to put their name on a picture of a french mlb rip~off. again, it’s not like 20/20 is gon’a come calling. fine, i’m a jerk on this one, i’m wrong, i am sorry, you aren’t a toews.[/quote]
    Aw, I was hoping for the version of that video with all the crazy shit at the end.

    [quote comment=”380614″]trax~ i know i was prolly link to say anything, but at least everyone knows the jerk that said it, that’s all.

    also, i used to see 7 stripes, but lately i see the 2 bands of 3 too. drives me crazy, wish i didn’t see it. it’s all is the box going forward or back.

    hibbsy~ machine gun? that’s unfortunate, especially paired with hendrix, since he is sort of a guitar wanker. does that mean you rough up the suspect post haste a la joe mcgrath’s penalty box guy? what was his name? and damned if he wouldn’t…[/quote]
    I was never Machine Gun!
    I was Sam Worthington.

    sam q worthington esquire. hm, classy, you must have been a pizza delivery kind’a guy in the porn scene in the day. as a character i imagine buzz bentwood was more into some sort of toewsian oddity.
    i better post something uni related…link and link

    [quote comment=”380615″]@ rpm, not sure I understand the animosity. some of us out there can’t mix our personal day-to-day lives with our online lives. not sure how it affects your ability to enjoy and/or utilize the links in the ticker or in the comments.
    My email address is link and my site is sheahey.blogspot.com
    I greatly respect and enjoy what Paul Lukas has built here, personally it makes no difference whether information is disseminated by someone using their real name or a fake one, seems fairly standard on the internet.[/quote]
    I am interested as to why people don’t want their names on Uniwatch. I feel as though I am careful about stuff like that. But what does the posting of something on this site, uni related, do to one’s career, family, life, etc.?
    I seriously wonder. I think about it, but I’m not sure if I am covering bases.
    My real name pops up in the Ticker, but I do not pair it with my commenting name.
    Don’t care to.
    I’ve gotten into it for bits with some part-time dicks on this comment section.
    I don’t fully know what I’m sayin. Out.
    Nobody’s reading it anyway.

    [quote comment=”380623″]sam q worthington esquire. hm, classy, you must have been a pizza delivery kind’a guy in the porn scene in the day. as a character i imagine buzz bentwood was more into some sort of toewsian oddity.
    i better post something uni related…link and link[/quote]
    First “uni-related” pic looks like Gordon. AKA… the Don Knotts of dogs.

    [quote comment=”380623″]sam q worthington esquire. hm, classy, you must have been a pizza delivery kind’a guy in the porn scene in the day. as a character i imagine buzz bentwood was more into some sort of toewsian oddity.
    i better post something uni related…link and link[/quote]
    Not really delivering pizzas. More along the lines of fixing computers. However, the women often commented on my surprising looks. Typically, they said, “They didn’t tell me you would look like this.” I would show some obvious awkwardness, then I would fix her computer. Then I would “compute her”. Know what I’m sayin? See what I’m sayin? Know what I’m sayin?

    [quote comment=”380624″][quote comment=”380615″]@ rpm, not sure I understand the animosity. some of us out there can’t mix our personal day-to-day lives with our online lives. not sure how it affects your ability to enjoy and/or utilize the links in the ticker or in the comments.
    My email address is link and my site is sheahey.blogspot.com
    I greatly respect and enjoy what Paul Lukas has built here, personally it makes no difference whether information is disseminated by someone using their real name or a fake one, seems fairly standard on the internet.[/quote]
    I am interested as to why people don’t want their names on Uniwatch. I feel as though I am careful about stuff like that. But what does the posting of something on this site, uni related, do to one’s career, family, life, etc.?
    I seriously wonder. I think about it, but I’m not sure if I am covering bases.
    My real name pops up in the Ticker, but I do not pair it with my commenting name.
    Don’t care to.
    I’ve gotten into it for bits with some part-time dicks on this comment section.
    I don’t fully know what I’m sayin. Out.
    Nobody’s reading it anyway.[/quote]

    nobody was reading since i blew it up(sorry). i understand an arms length, and comment control, just sayin use your name in the ticker.

    oh dear, a programmer, out of the porn guild are you are you says i the field hand. so let it be written and so forth.

    the problem is that there are some employers out there who want to see their employee’s name out there on the internet, no matter how innocent or straightforward the context.

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