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There’s No Service Like Wire Service, Vol. 7

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The wire photo hits keep on coming. All of these come from an eBay seller that Mike Hersh pointed out to me, so special thanks to him for this batch.

• Here’s a major find: The party line is that the first throwback game was staged by the White Sox in 1990, but the Dodgers and Phillies apparently played a throwback game in spring training of 1976. Looks like they put real buttons along the edges of the faux bib. Fascinating!

• Here’s a rare shot of Sparky Anderson wearing the National League’s 1976 All-Star pillbox cap, which I believe was only worn during pregame warm-ups and for the team portrait, not during the All-Star Game itself.

• Love how the ref’s uni number looks so DIYish in this 1966 shot. And look at the armband in this 1959 photo — looks like a wrap-on bandage!

• Even in his Fordham Rams days, Vince Lombardi was a real piece of work.

• Joe Louis and Billy Conn, fighting on the same side for a change.

• Oh man, I totally love the cardigans being worn by Sonny Liston’s entourage (they’d be perfect for curling, no?). Also love the sight of a Catholic priest with an “I Like Sonny” button. (If you find Liston as compelling a character as I do, you’ll enjoy these additional Sonny shots I compiled.)

• Lots of interesting stuff in this Wrigley Field shot. Aside from the play itself, note the graffiti on the wall and the way the newspaper enhanced the confetti with Wite Out.

• When it came to the A’s white shoes, Charlie Finley practiced what he preached.

• Oh baby, how sweet is this 1948 NHL All-Star uni? The player is Doug Bentley.

• Here’s a rare press photo of MLB’s only full-time pinch-runner, Herb Washington.

• When MLB split into four divisions in 1969, the AP prepared this map graphic. Note how Chicago is right on the east/west border. Also, they got Atlanta wrong — the Braves were placed in the N.L. west.

• Love the Star of David on Jewish boxer Mike Rossman’s cornerman.

• Whatever you may think of Leon Spinks, this is a pretty amazing photograph.

• I’ll let the caption speak for this one.

• Two players forever linked by a trivia question: Willie Mays and the guy for whom he was traded. Every time I see that orange-lettered Giants jersey, I think to myself, “Y’know, that was a pretty good look.

• Here’s as good a look as you’re ever likely to see of the Red Wings’ war bond patch.

• And here’s an odd 1943 shot of two Cubs wearing mismatched undershirts (and maybe two different caps too?).

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Research Query: Reader Adam Wyss interns for a D-League team and has asked me if anyone out there still makes old-style basketball shorts “with a belt and everything.” Personally, I have no idea, but if you know of a company that’s capable of making this style, get in toch with Adam pronto.

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We have an argyle winner!: Back when the Norwegian curling pants first made news, I offered a free Uni Watch membership to the first reader who could provide proof of having purchased and worn a pair of the pants. It hadn’t occurred to me that a reader might have already owned a pair, but that’s the case with Mike Gocsik (he’s second from the left in that photo).

“The photo is from last summer,” he says. “My father-in-law, cousin, brother, and I were playing in a golf tournament for our local high school in Norwalk, Ohio. We bought the pants as kind of a joke, but they are pretty popular in small-town America. They’re actually pretty comfortable pants. We didn’t win the golf outing, but we did look the best and got a couple free rounds of beers.”

And now Mike has gotten a free Uni Watch membership to boot.

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Speaking of the membership program, Scott is getting acclimated to his new Seattle digs and is making his way through the backlog of membership orders. I mailed out 16 membership kits late last week (including Bill Sodeman’s awesome Tampa Bay Rowdies card, shown at right), and we should get fully caught up within the next few days. Once we’ve cleaned out the backlog, we’ll re-open the membership program for new orders, hopefully this week. My thanks to all of you for your patience.

Uni Watch News Ticker: More uni-numerical news from Red Sox camp. … Here’s a weird shot: Straw wearing the old BP cap and Frenchy wearing the new one. … Interesting note from Jimi Jamm, who writes: “In the mid-’90s, during my radio career, I really got into wearing NFL and NHL jerseys, and it sort of became my calling card at radio and record conventions. It came to my attention that some record labels had given their promotion staff hockey jerseys bearing the company logo, so I asked my local rep if it was possible to get me one to go with my collection. Record labels, being only too happy to schmooze radio programmers, yielded me these two jerseys.” … Braves pitcher Kenshin Kawakami was going double-flapped the other day. … Is it just me, or has Rawlings’ chest protector brand patch gotten bigger this year? … Not sure I’d ever seen Garo Yepremian as a Lion — or with hair — before (nice find by Brian Mazmanian). … Reprinted from Friday’s comments: There’s a really wonderful animation about the history of Olympic pictograms here — well worth the four-minute time investment. Don’t miss. … Nike has done an interesting collaboration with half a dozen artists. For details look here and here (with thanks to Lance Smith). … Good pictorial survey of Olympic skeleton and skiing helmet artwork here (with thanks to Jon Alviani). … Big variety of stirrup styles shown in these softball photos (with thanks to Dustin Hall). … Even in Florida, there’s no escape from the Shea movement. That’s from last Thursday’s Mets Hot Stove show, which was broadcast live from a bar in Port St. Luice (big thanks to Brian Erni for the screen shot). … One of you officiating types should pick up this gorgeous old zebra jersey. Dig that chenille patch! … Got a note on Friday from Zachary Charles, subject line “omg yes.” When I clicked on the link he provided, the subject line made perfect sense. … Some guy on eBay is selling off a huge haul of uniforms and related memorabilia, and I strongly recommend clicking through his listings — lots of amazing-looking stuff. Check it out here (big thanks to Mike Hersh). … Stephen Sickles notes that the USA’s Olympic hockey jerseys have a patriotic inscription on the sleeve cuff. … According to this podcast, Pablo Sandoval of the Giants will be wearing prescription glasses on the field this year but will not hike up his pants to show the team’s new striped socks (with thanks to Tremaine Eto). … Kudos to the UCLA baseball team, which has joined the stirrup revolution (this excellent news courtesy of Ricky Darling). … Aaron Stilley has started a series in which he’ll be looking at the Royals’ annual Negro Leagues throwbacks. … New softball uniforms for LSU. Those are the white and purple versions, and here’s the gold (with thanks to Bryan J. Boltik). … Ben Fortney was poking around on Flickr and found this photo of Jeff Francoeur designing a jersey. “I suppose the non-rightfielders in the picture must be Majestic reps,” he says. “I really want to get my hands on that book Frenchy is flipping through.” … Last Monday I linked to this story about the Pistons’ ankle injuries possibly being due to a certain brand of swooshified shoe. Now that shoe has been banned from the team. … If you find a stray “k” floating around, it probably belonged to Sidney Crosby (as noted by Marcus Solis). … No photos, but Cam Norris reports that the Providence hoops team had some jerseys stolen prior to Saturday’s game against USF. “Many of their players had different numbers — Jamine Peterson, their star player, moved from 21 to 15, and Bilal Dixon was wearing 22. In all, about five or six players were affected and wearing different numbers for the game, and there were no names on the back of the jerseys.” … Kevin Mericle has created style sheet templates for four of the five 1995 NFL expansion finalists. “A few aspects I had to kinda guess on (like the Bombers’ road uniforms), but I think for the most part they are fairly accurate,” he says. … Kevin Wright got a screen shot of Paul Terbenche of the Houston Aeros wearing some interesting facial protection. … Mmmm, dig ths awesome old hockey-themed tobacco ad. “These Granger ads were all so amazing — the artwork was really top-notch,” says Bruce Menard. … One more from Bruce: a rare shot of Hack Wilson as a Phillie. “He played seven games for them in his last season, then retired at age 34,” says Bruce. … Our latest DIYer is Mike Lynch, who writes: “I was looking for a Team USA hockey shirt, but the only ones I could find were the official Ralph Lauren line at about $50 for a T-shirt. So I went to Wal-Mart, bought a $6 shirt, spent another $10 on ribbon, glue, and thread, and made this shirt. For the basic layout, I used the 1932 throwback that Team USA wore against Canada, and I added the star on the shoulders as a nod to the 1980 jersey. It took about six hours and it’s not perfect, but I’m happy with it as my first attempt. I’m already planning to do a second replica, probably a hoodie version of the complete 1980 jersey.” … Yesterday Phil linked to a great Fleer Sticker Project entry about a 1967 Coke promotion. FSP honcho Jon Helf has now done a follow-up entry on Coke’s related promotion from ’68. There’s some key info in there about Marvin Miller and the players’ association — recommended reading. … Jon also sent along this old Mets photo, which he says was for an ad for “Supima — the World’s finest cottons” — nice.

 

121 comments to There’s No Service Like Wire Service, Vol. 7

  • scott | March 1, 2010 at 7:51 am |

    How come Lasorda appears to be in a regular Dodgers uniform in that spring training game?

  • carlos | March 1, 2010 at 7:52 am |

    The link to the divisional map links incorrectly to the Washington picture

  • Paul Lukas | March 1, 2010 at 8:13 am |

    [quote comment=”379860″]The link to the divisional map links incorrectly to the Washington picture[/quote]

    Thanks — now fixed.

  • Hibbsy | March 1, 2010 at 8:19 am |

    • Oh man, I totally love the cardigans being worn by Sonny Liston’s entourage (they’d be perfect for curling, no?).

    Reverse the colors, and you have Lambda Lambda Lambda sweaters.

  • Bob | March 1, 2010 at 8:32 am |

    You are correct — the 1976 white NL pillbox caps were only worn before the game. I recorded that game last year on MLBN, and the NL players wore their regular caps during the game itself.

  • LI Phil | March 1, 2010 at 8:38 am |

    [quote comment=”379861″]• Here’s a rare shot of Sparky Anderson wearing the National League’s 1976 All-Star pillbox cap, which I believe was only worn during pregame warm-ups and for the team portrait, not during the All-Star Game itself.[/quote]

    correct…some dude wrote about it (scroll down to 1976) a few years ago

  • Geeman | March 1, 2010 at 8:41 am |

    Jon also sent along this old Mets photo, which he says was for an ad for “Supima — the World’s finest cottons” — nice.

    Cotton is king. It breathes. It’s a natural fiber. Yada yada.

  • PL4 | March 1, 2010 at 8:45 am |

    The Detroit Cubs throwback seems like a strange choice to me.

    http://kcbbh.blogspo...

    The Tigers usually make their Negro League throwback the Detroit Stars.

    http://alexshouz.fil...

  • pru | March 1, 2010 at 9:20 am |

    The Team USA sweater worn at the closing ceremonies were fantastic (with exception of the Polo logo creep). Would make a good curling sweater. I wish we were able to buy Team USA gear as easily as Canadians are able to buy Canadian olympic gear. It is in major stores (Zellars and The Bay) all over Canada.

  • Steve | March 1, 2010 at 9:31 am |

    I don’t really get the “Shea Movement”. I get it on the Jake or any other park that was renamed.

    In NY its not like they renamed Shea Citi, its a new park.

    Isn’t “I’m calling it Shea” akin to having a long time girlfriend name Sue, breaking up and getting a new girlfriend named Heather. But instead of calling her Heather, you decide you’re going to call her Sue because you like it better?

    If its that you don’t like the corporate name, which I know is part of it, then why not call the movement, “I’m calling it Flushing Meadows stadium”.

  • Geeman | March 1, 2010 at 9:39 am |

    There are the UCLA baseball stirrups in action. They look especially good with the black cleats. And that is a gorgeous color of blue, though I note that UCLA also appears to have a dark blue alternate jersey (see top of page) and I wonder if the color of the stirrups will change when they wear it.

    http://www.uclabruin...

  • Squiddie | March 1, 2010 at 9:54 am |

    I’m not certain, but this maybe what’s on the back of the Liston cardigan. This photo is from the Liston Patterson fight in 1962.

  • scott | March 1, 2010 at 10:01 am |

    Did the AP really think the NL would have one division with five teams and the other with seven teams?

  • Perry | March 1, 2010 at 10:12 am |

    Jeez, that 1975 World Series must have stressed Sparky out, he looks about 68 years old in that photo. In fact he was 42 in the spring of ’76.

  • The Jeff | March 1, 2010 at 10:20 am |

    [quote comment=”379873″]Did the AP really think the NL would have one division with five teams and the other with seven teams?[/quote]

    Is it really a stretch for them to have that thought? The leagues currently consist of 14 and 16 teams with a 5-5-4 and 5-6-5 division structure. Because, apparently going with 15 each and 6 divisions of 5 teams would make far too much sense.

    (I know I know, I’m sure that’s one of baseball’s “quirks” that people would bitch about if they changed it now)

  • LI Phil | March 1, 2010 at 10:28 am |

    [quote comment=”379875″] apparently going with 15 each and 6 divisions of 5 teams would make far too much sense.[/quote]

    and then what would we have?

    interplague games every day

    im NOT going to get into this again, as i’ve had this discussion every spring and summer, but baseball should really add two more teams, with either 4 divisions of four, or two divisions of eight, per league

    the way it stands now, you have to have an even number in each league or you have forced interleague games every day

  • Perry | March 1, 2010 at 10:29 am |

    [/quote]
    Is it really a stretch for them to have that thought? The leagues currently consist of 14 and 16 teams with a 5-5-4 and 5-6-5 division structure. Because, apparently going with 15 each and 6 divisions of 5 teams would make far too much sense.

    (I know I know, I’m sure that’s one of baseball’s “quirks” that people would bitch about if they changed it now)[/quote]

    How would you handle the scheduling with two 15-team leagues? Always having 2 teams off for 3-4 days at a time? Or interleague play every day? Because it’s one or the other.

  • FormerDirtDart | March 1, 2010 at 10:45 am |

    [quote comment=”379876″][quote comment=”379875″] apparently going with 15 each and 6 divisions of 5 teams would make far too much sense.[/quote]

    and then what would we have?

    interplague games every day

    im NOT going to get into this again, as i’ve had this discussion every spring and summer, but baseball should really add two more teams, with either 4 divisions of four, or two divisions of eight, per league

    the way it stands now, you have to have an even number in each league or you have forced interleague games every day[/quote]
    But, are there markets,or pithing, for two more teams?

  • Squiddie | March 1, 2010 at 10:47 am |

    I was looking at a bw photo of the 1939 Boston Braves and had to look at the Dressed to the Nines database to check the colors.

    Has anyone shown such a variety of stirrup action as the Boston Braves between 1935 and 1940? Let’s see if this link works.

    1935-1940 Boston Braves

    It’s like they were members of rpm’s Stirrup of the Year club.

  • The Jeff | March 1, 2010 at 10:48 am |

    Ok. 15 teams per league, 5 per division. Drop interleague play entirely. It’s a fairly new concept, kill it. Each team having a few extra days off isn’t going to kill anyone, just reduce the total number of games to keep the season within the same timeframe. Play each team in your division 12 times, play all the other teams in your league 10 times. That’s 148 games. I’m sure the scheduling professionals could make it work.

    (or just forget I said anything… all I was getting at originally is that MLB is and has always been a bit odd, and thus the AP was well within reason to expect uneven divisions)

  • James Craven | March 1, 2010 at 10:51 am |

    Three words for you:

    Giant inflatable beavers.

    That is all.

  • Broadway Connie | March 1, 2010 at 10:52 am |

    A sublime day, Paul. Sonny Liston and the priests. Vince Lombardi in mid-air. Harvey Jackson (who?) skating for Granger pipe tobacco. Billy Conn and Joe Louis. The sack-dress softballer. I can’t take it anymore.

  • LI Phil | March 1, 2010 at 10:58 am |

    [quote comment=”379880″] Each team having a few extra days off isn’t going to kill anyone, just reduce the total number of games to keep the season within the same timeframe. [/quote]

    you do realize why this will never happen, right?

  • Ricko | March 1, 2010 at 11:00 am |

    [quote comment=”379881″]Three words for you:

    Giant inflatable beavers.

    That is all.[/quote]

    I was waiting for two football teams (12 on a side) to come out and one of them would run two plays and punt.

    —Ricko

  • The Jeff | March 1, 2010 at 11:01 am |

    [quote comment=”379883″][quote comment=”379880″] Each team having a few extra days off isn’t going to kill anyone, just reduce the total number of games to keep the season within the same timeframe. [/quote]

    you do realize why this will never happen, right?[/quote]

    Uh…raise ticket prices by 5 percent? Charge even more outrageously for beer and hot dogs?

    (dammit, you win)

  • FormerDirtDart | March 1, 2010 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=”379885″][quote comment=”379883″][quote comment=”379880″] Each team having a few extra days off isn’t going to kill anyone, just reduce the total number of games to keep the season within the same timeframe. [/quote]

    you do realize why this will never happen, right?[/quote]

    Uh…raise ticket prices by 5 percent? Charge even more outrageously for beer and hot dogs?

    (dammit, you win)[/quote]
    actually, losing 14 games from the schedule has a potential loss of 22.68% of game day revenues. Do you think the players will take a 17% pay cut to match up with your 5% ticket increases?

  • FormerDirtDart | March 1, 2010 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment=”379886″][quote comment=”379885″][quote comment=”379883″][quote comment=”379880″] Each team having a few extra days off isn’t going to kill anyone, just reduce the total number of games to keep the season within the same timeframe. [/quote]

    you do realize why this will never happen, right?[/quote]

    Uh…raise ticket prices by 5 percent? Charge even more outrageously for beer and hot dogs?

    (dammit, you win)[/quote]
    actually, losing 14 games from the schedule has a potential loss of 22.68% of game day revenues. Do you think the players will take a 17% pay cut to match up with your 5% ticket increases?[/quote]
    ok, I really screwed the math…lol
    8.64% reduction in revenues

  • JimWa | March 1, 2010 at 11:09 am |

    Absolutely.

    Fascinating.

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  • Bob Loblaw | March 1, 2010 at 11:14 am |

    Here’s Mike Rossman wearing a big ‘ol Star of David in his war w/ Argentina’s Victor Galindez. I remember watching this fight and noting Rossman’s Royal blue trunks w/ the large star.

    Great fight IIRC as Galindez never took the easy route.
    http://www.phillybox...

  • Macky | March 1, 2010 at 11:18 am |

    we went to watch the first Lightning Cup yesterday, and I noticed the Manatee H.S.’ logo looked familiar.

    http://farm5.static....

  • Ry Co 40 | March 1, 2010 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”379890″]we went to watch the first Lightning Cup yesterday, and I noticed the Manatee H.S.’ logo looked familiar.

    http://farm5.static....

    LOVE it!!!

  • Matthew Hackethal | March 1, 2010 at 11:42 am |

    New name/logo/unis for the Bobcats now that MJ owns the team?

    http://probasketball...

  • Geeman | March 1, 2010 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”379893″]New name/logo/unis for the Bobcats now that MJ owns the team?

    http://probasketball...

    The story is wrong abuot Hornets. The name comes from a British military officer’s calling the area a nest of Hornets during the Revoluntionary War. Previous minor league teams had the name Hornets too. Charlotte police badges are actually shaped in the form of hornets nests. Unlike with other Southern cities, you will find almost no Civil War references to anything about Charlotte.

  • Geeman | March 1, 2010 at 11:54 am |

    [quote comment=”379883″][quote comment=”379880″] Each team having a few extra days off isn’t going to kill anyone, just reduce the total number of games to keep the season within the same timeframe. [/quote]

    you do realize why this will never happen, right?[/quote]

    But reducing the baseball season to, say, 154 games and evening the divisions is a good idea.

    All the seasons are too long. I would even go back to 14 games in the NFL, 11 in college football, 26 or 27 in college basketball. But most important, no World Series in November, no Super Bowl in February, no Final Four in April, no more bowl games after Jan. 1 or 2, etc. Confine the seasons to certain months. The lengthening of seasons is in the long run a devaluing of the currency of the sport.

  • Brian Erni | March 1, 2010 at 11:55 am |

    Paul,

    Two tidbits:

    I also saw the blue version of the “Shea” shirt featured in an ad for WNYC: the NPR affiliate in the city. It popped up on Newsday.com today when I was going through some of David Lennon’s blog musings. Trying to get a screen shot.

    Also, single digit pitcher alert:
    The Blue Jays assigned Kyle Drabek number 4, because he wore it in Double A in the Phils’ organization. Not sure if he’ll keep it when he eventually gets his call to the Show, but it’s worth noting.

  • LI Phil | March 1, 2010 at 11:57 am |

    [quote comment=”379895″][quote comment=”379883″][quote comment=”379880″] Each team having a few extra days off isn’t going to kill anyone, just reduce the total number of games to keep the season within the same timeframe. [/quote]

    you do realize why this will never happen, right?[/quote]

    But reducing the baseball season to, say, 154 games and evening the divisions is a good idea.

    All the seasons are too long. I would even go back to 14 games in the NFL, 11 in college football, 26 or 27 in college basketball. But most important, no World Series in November, no Super Bowl in February, no Final Four in April, no more bowl games after Jan. 1 or 2, etc. Confine the seasons to certain months. The lengthening of seasons is in the long run a devaluing of the currency of the sport.[/quote]

    you do realize why this will never happen, right?

  • Giancarlo | March 1, 2010 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”379874″]Jeez, that 1975 World Series must have stressed Sparky out, he looks about 68 years old in that photo. In fact he was 42 in the spring of ’76.[/quote]
    This freaks me out. Really?

    Used to wonder why Atlanta was in the NL West & St. Louis in NL East. Still don’t know.

    I’d also like to see MLB realigned to allow for a balanced schedule like in the old old days. And there SHOULD be fewer games and no more November World Series games. And forget interleague. Here in New York no one really cares about Yankees/Mets at this point, and if they don’t care here they don’t care anywhere. Can’t the league do one thing in the interest of fairness?

  • Will S | March 1, 2010 at 12:05 pm |

    No screen shot, but on Sportscenter they were interviewing Matthew Barnaby about the Gold Medal game and they had a hockey style catchers mask sitting on the table as a decoration instead of a goalie mask. Come on

  • Geeman | March 1, 2010 at 12:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”379897″][quote comment=”379895″][quote comment=”379883″][quote comment=”379880″] Each team having a few extra days off isn’t going to kill anyone, just reduce the total number of games to keep the season within the same timeframe. [/quote]

    you do realize why this will never happen, right?[/quote]

    But reducing the baseball season to, say, 154 games and evening the divisions is a good idea.

    All the seasons are too long. I would even go back to 14 games in the NFL, 11 in college football, 26 or 27 in college basketball. But most important, no World Series in November, no Super Bowl in February, no Final Four in April, no more bowl games after Jan. 1 or 2, etc. Confine the seasons to certain months. The lengthening of seasons is in the long run a devaluing of the currency of the sport.[/quote]

    you do realize why this will never happen, right?[/quote]

    Yes, of course. But sometimes it’s fun to live in the ideal world in one’s mind.

  • Geeman | March 1, 2010 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”379874″]Jeez, that 1975 World Series must have stressed Sparky out, he looks about 68 years old in that photo. In fact he was 42 in the spring of ’76.[/quote]

    Absolutely right. Always thought Sparky looked like he had never aged a day since 1975.

  • JimWa | March 1, 2010 at 12:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”379898″][quote comment=”379874″]Jeez, that 1975 World Series must have stressed Sparky out, he looks about 68 years old in that photo. In fact he was 42 in the spring of ’76.[/quote]
    This freaks me out. Really?

    Used to wonder why Atlanta was in the NL West & St. Louis in NL East. Still don’t know.

    I’d also like to see MLB realigned to allow for a balanced schedule like in the old old days. And there SHOULD be fewer games and no more November World Series games. And forget interleague. Here in New York no one really cares about Yankees/Mets at this point, and if they don’t care here they don’t care anywhere. Can’t the league do one thing in the interest of fairness?[/quote]

    If I remember correctly, they kept St. Louis in the east to keep the Cubs rivalry strong. Memory also tells me that Atlanta, being a relatively new baseball city, fit the newness of the west-coast teams.

    As for shortening the season – why not schedule double-headers? It used to be done. We all put in a little OT sometimes, right? Interleague is just like bobbleheads and run the bases days. More people come to the park on those days. I’d like to see ILP go away, but it won’t.

  • The Jeff | March 1, 2010 at 12:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”379895″][quote comment=”379883″][quote comment=”379880″] Each team having a few extra days off isn’t going to kill anyone, just reduce the total number of games to keep the season within the same timeframe. [/quote]

    you do realize why this will never happen, right?[/quote]

    But reducing the baseball season to, say, 154 games and evening the divisions is a good idea.

    All the seasons are too long. I would even go back to 14 games in the NFL, 11 in college football, 26 or 27 in college basketball. But most important, no World Series in November, no Super Bowl in February, no Final Four in April, no more bowl games after Jan. 1 or 2, etc. Confine the seasons to certain months. The lengthening of seasons is in the long run a devaluing of the currency of the sport.[/quote]

    I’m sorry, but I’m afraid you’re wrong about the NFL season. I’m with you on the World Series and NCAA basketball (they call it March Madness…going into April is stupid), but you best be leaving my NFL alone. If you want to cut games from a football league, go after our wonderful friends in the north. An 18 game schedule in a league with 8 teams? Come on, really?

  • Chris from Carver | March 1, 2010 at 12:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”379898″][quote comment=”379874″]Jeez, that 1975 World Series must have stressed Sparky out, he looks about 68 years old in that photo. In fact he was 42 in the spring of ’76.[/quote]
    This freaks me out. Really?

    Used to wonder why Atlanta was in the NL West & St. Louis in NL East. Still don’t know.

    I’d also like to see MLB realigned to allow for a balanced schedule like in the old old days. And there SHOULD be fewer games and no more November World Series games. And forget interleague. Here in New York no one really cares about Yankees/Mets at this point, and if they don’t care here they don’t care anywhere. Can’t the league do one thing in the interest of fairness?[/quote]
    Atlanta was in the West & St. Louis was in the East for the same reason that the Flyers & Penguins were in West, but the Red Wings and Black Hawks were in the East: to maintain established rivalries.

  • Brian Erni | March 1, 2010 at 12:20 pm |

    Here’s the corresponding Kyle Drabek wearing number 4 story from Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse.

    http://mlb.fanhouse....

  • rpm | March 1, 2010 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”379901″][quote comment=”379874″]Jeez, that 1975 World Series must have stressed Sparky out, he looks about 68 years old in that photo. In fact he was 42 in the spring of ’76.[/quote]

    Absolutely right. Always thought Sparky looked like he had never aged a day since 1975.[/quote]

    maybe all of us olde tymers should put a pixture of sparky on the wall, as a reminder that we look pretty good for our age. i hate to be repetitive, but really? 42?!

  • Ricko | March 1, 2010 at 12:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”379905″]Here’s the corresponding Kyle Drabek wearing number 4 story from Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse.

    http://mlb.fanhouse....

    Damn, the spring training hats are ugly this year (not necessarily all of them, but as an overall design concept).
    Bumper Stickers come to MLB.

    —Ricko

  • mtjaws | March 1, 2010 at 12:44 pm |

    In looking at those NFL expansion team stylesheets, were the Bombers really going to have TV numbers in the same color as the yoke? I guess they could be visible with a contrasting outline, but otherwise I think that’s a dumb idea.

  • David | March 1, 2010 at 12:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”379870″]I don’t really get the “Shea Movement”. I get it on the Jake or any other park that was renamed.

    In NY its not like they renamed Shea Citi, its a new park.

    Isn’t “I’m calling it Shea” akin to having a long time girlfriend name Sue, breaking up and getting a new girlfriend named Heather. But instead of calling her Heather, you decide you’re going to call her Sue because you like it better?

    If its that you don’t like the corporate name, which I know is part of it, then why not call the movement, “I’m calling it Flushing Meadows stadium”.[/quote]

    EXCELLENT point, Steve. You said what I feel, but haven’t been able to succinctly put in words. I understand (sort of) the angst, but seriously … it’s a new building, with a new identity, and lots of new memories yet to be made. And personally, I think “Calling it Shea” is disrespectful to Shea itself.

    I’m sure Heather and Sue would agree with Steve, too.

  • Ricko | March 1, 2010 at 12:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”379909″][quote comment=”379870″]I don’t really get the “Shea Movement”. I get it on the Jake or any other park that was renamed.

    In NY its not like they renamed Shea Citi, its a new park.

    Isn’t “I’m calling it Shea” akin to having a long time girlfriend name Sue, breaking up and getting a new girlfriend named Heather. But instead of calling her Heather, you decide you’re going to call her Sue because you like it better?

    If its that you don’t like the corporate name, which I know is part of it, then why not call the movement, “I’m calling it Flushing Meadows stadium”.[/quote]

    EXCELLENT point, Steve. You said what I feel, but haven’t been able to succinctly put in words. I understand (sort of) the angst, but seriously … it’s a new building, with a new identity, and lots of new memories yet to be made. And personally, I think “Calling it Shea” is disrespectful to Shea itself.

    I’m sure Heather and Sue would agree with Steve, too.[/quote]

    Y’know, I KNEW there was something wrong with my
    “I’m Calling it the Metrodome”
    concept.

    Your point’s well-taken, Steve. Same general thought’s been in my mind for some time. The idea’s kinda funny, but forced. At worst, makes it look like the shirt’s wearer doesn’t understand how such things work, or that, “I have a wiseass comment. Not based on anything valid. But because it’s a wiseass comment, I’ll make it anyway.”

    Wow. WACFWACS.

    (Of course, if we eliminated those, UW would be pretty dead sometimes, wouldn’t it. LOL)

    —Ricko

  • Mike Engle | March 1, 2010 at 1:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”379910″][quote comment=”379909″][quote comment=”379870″]I don’t really get the “Shea Movement”. I get it on the Jake or any other park that was renamed.

    In NY its not like they renamed Shea Citi, its a new park.

    Isn’t “I’m calling it Shea” akin to having a long time girlfriend name Sue, breaking up and getting a new girlfriend named Heather. But instead of calling her Heather, you decide you’re going to call her Sue because you like it better?

    If its that you don’t like the corporate name, which I know is part of it, then why not call the movement, “I’m calling it Flushing Meadows stadium”.[/quote]

    EXCELLENT point, Steve. You said what I feel, but haven’t been able to succinctly put in words. I understand (sort of) the angst, but seriously … it’s a new building, with a new identity, and lots of new memories yet to be made. And personally, I think “Calling it Shea” is disrespectful to Shea itself.

    I’m sure Heather and Sue would agree with Steve, too.[/quote]

    Y’know, I KNEW there was something wrong with my
    “I’m Calling it the Metrodome”
    concept.

    Your point’s well-taken, Steve. Same general thought’s been in my mind for some time. The idea’s kinda funny, but forced. At worst, makes it look like the shirt’s wearer doesn’t understand how such things work, or that, “I have a wiseass comment. Not based on anything valid. But because it’s a wiseass comment, I’ll make it anyway.”

    Wow. WACFWACS.

    (Of course, if we eliminated those, UW would be pretty dead sometimes, wouldn’t it. LOL)

    —Ricko[/quote]
    This may be forced, but I kind of get the Shea logic. For 44 years, Mets fans “enjoyed” outdoor baseball in Willets Point at Shea Stadium. The new place is still outside, and it uses the same subway and LIRR stops. Heck, it’s arguably in the same place, give or take a couple hundred feet. Swap the field and the parking lots, and it IS the same place. (Personally, I call it New Shea, but if you want to call it Ebbets Field, I don’t think I could argue with you.)
    Unlike Minnesota, where you’ll be seeing the Twins at home, but is sure as hell isn’t the HHH Metrodome, for better or for worse.

  • Giancarlo | March 1, 2010 at 1:06 pm |

    I’d like to see a picture of the “young” Sparky Anderson next to the relatively mature Paul Lukas.

  • Ed Hughes | March 1, 2010 at 1:11 pm |

    Can anyone sell me an “I’m calling it the Polo Grounds” t-shirt? I miss the PG and I was never even there.

  • chance michaels | March 1, 2010 at 1:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”379908″]In looking at those NFL expansion team stylesheets, were the Bombers really going to have TV numbers in the same color as the yoke? I guess they could be visible with a contrasting outline, but otherwise I think that’s a dumb idea.[/quote]

    Well, he’s only guessing that the road jersey would have navy-on-navy numbers, but the home jersey did in fact have white numbers on a white yoke with only a thin blue outline to separate them.

  • flip | March 1, 2010 at 1:32 pm |

    Sparky w/Reds in 1971? http://bit.ly/boh8Oq (before pullovers)
    Sparky w/Tigers ihttp://bit.ly/boh8Oq http://bit.ly/96FodY

  • concealed78 | March 1, 2010 at 1:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”379900″][quote comment=”379897″][quote comment=”379895″][quote comment=”379883″][quote comment=”379880″] Each team having a few extra days off isn’t going to kill anyone, just reduce the total number of games to keep the season within the same timeframe. [/quote]

    you do realize why this will never happen, right?[/quote]

    But reducing the baseball season to, say, 154 games and evening the divisions is a good idea.

    All the seasons are too long. I would even go back to 14 games in the NFL, 11 in college football, 26 or 27 in college basketball. But most important, no World Series in November, no Super Bowl in February, no Final Four in April, no more bowl games after Jan. 1 or 2, etc. Confine the seasons to certain months. The lengthening of seasons is in the long run a devaluing of the currency of the sport.[/quote]

    you do realize why this will never happen, right?[/quote]

    Yes, of course. But sometimes it’s fun to live in the ideal world in one’s mind.[/quote]

    What’s crazy is 150+ game schedules have been the norm in MLB in the early 1900’s even when there was only 8 teams per league. My only guess for it was so the league could make as much money as possible. Looking at the schedule, still mid-April start / early Oct finish, longer series, scheduled doubleheaders and some consecutive days off as well.

  • flip | March 1, 2010 at 1:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”379915″]Sparky w/Reds in 1971? http://bit.ly/boh8Oq (before pullovers)
    Sparky w/Tigers ihttp://bit.ly/boh8Oq http://bit.ly/96FodY...
    and one Paul Lukas http://a.espncdn.com...

  • flip | March 1, 2010 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”379917″][quote comment=”379915″]Sparky w/Reds in 1971? http://bit.ly/boh8Oq (before pullovers)
    Sparky w/Tigers ihttp://bit.ly/boh8Oq http://bit.ly/96FodY...

    try this Lukas image http://i217.photobuc...

  • marc | March 1, 2010 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”379901″][quote comment=”379874″]Jeez, that 1975 World Series must have stressed Sparky out, he looks about 68 years old in that photo. In fact he was 42 in the spring of ’76.[/quote]

    Absolutely right. Always thought Sparky looked like he had never aged a day since 1975.[/quote]

    Ya know Darrell Johnson? The guy standing next to Sparky? He’s six years OLDER than Sparky.

  • rpm | March 1, 2010 at 1:38 pm |

    why are the “bag” ladies not in stirrups? disconcerting

    shea:
    i am sure paul will chime in, or not, but a couple things come to my mind. don’t know if he would agree, but what the hell, the way i see it…

    first, yeah new stadium, but essentially the same sight. same way some people, myself included still call it comiskey(or comiskular) here. if the old ballpark was bridgeport yards, people would use that instead of us cellular field based on tradition alone.

    second, flushing meadows ballpark does not exactly roll off the tongue, er, t~shirt. but it would be far superior to the corporate name for sure, and if it was called that, there would be no i am calling it shea movement i am guessing, neigh, i know there wouldn’t.

    3rd your analogy would be better if it was about the team. like i am still calling them(mets) dodgers. as opposed to a building, no matter where i live i call it “home”. changing where i live does not change what i call it necessarily, and that isn’t uncommon in buildings. i see the point you are trying to make though.

    4th i would imagine the fact that many people don’t get it is exactly why it is worth stating as a principle. if you don’t agree with that principle call the thing city, that’s fine, most people will. other people have a different notion of what we take in out gullets. and i think the “i’m calling” it notion is a manifestation of that.the fact that you(dave) understand the jake argument means you understand the principle, so that’s good. if you remember, pl said time and time again before the tshirt that he was looking for something else to call the stadium other then citi, but when it came right down to it, why not just still call it shea, it’s simple, to the point, and i think it makes sense. not to mention, if you put flushing meadows stadium on the shirt, and it loses the message, you see shea, you get it right away.

  • Ry Co 40 | March 1, 2010 at 1:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”379911″][quote comment=”379910″][quote comment=”379909″][quote comment=”379870″]I don’t really get the “Shea Movement”. I get it on the Jake or any other park that was renamed.

    In NY its not like they renamed Shea Citi, its a new park.

    Isn’t “I’m calling it Shea” akin to having a long time girlfriend name Sue, breaking up and getting a new girlfriend named Heather. But instead of calling her Heather, you decide you’re going to call her Sue because you like it better?

    If its that you don’t like the corporate name, which I know is part of it, then why not call the movement, “I’m calling it Flushing Meadows stadium”.[/quote]

    EXCELLENT point, Steve. You said what I feel, but haven’t been able to succinctly put in words. I understand (sort of) the angst, but seriously … it’s a new building, with a new identity, and lots of new memories yet to be made. And personally, I think “Calling it Shea” is disrespectful to Shea itself.

    I’m sure Heather and Sue would agree with Steve, too.[/quote]

    Y’know, I KNEW there was something wrong with my
    “I’m Calling it the Metrodome”
    concept.

    Your point’s well-taken, Steve. Same general thought’s been in my mind for some time. The idea’s kinda funny, but forced. At worst, makes it look like the shirt’s wearer doesn’t understand how such things work, or that, “I have a wiseass comment. Not based on anything valid. But because it’s a wiseass comment, I’ll make it anyway.”

    Wow. WACFWACS.

    (Of course, if we eliminated those, UW would be pretty dead sometimes, wouldn’t it. LOL)

    —Ricko[/quote]
    This may be forced, but I kind of get the Shea logic. For 44 years, Mets fans “enjoyed” outdoor baseball in Willets Point at Shea Stadium. The new place is still outside, and it uses the same subway and LIRR stops. Heck, it’s arguably in the same place, give or take a couple hundred feet. Swap the field and the parking lots, and it IS the same place. (Personally, I call it New Shea, but if you want to call it Ebbets Field, I don’t think I could argue with you.)
    Unlike Minnesota, where you’ll be seeing the Twins at home, but is sure as hell isn’t the HHH Metrodome, for better or for worse.[/quote]

    it’s not “forced” at all. it’s just a simple fun concept that works. don’t read to much into it.

  • Teebz | March 1, 2010 at 1:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”379903″]go after our wonderful friends in the north. An 18 game schedule in a league with 8 teams? Come on, really?[/quote]

    Much like American reporters on Olympic sports, Jeff, don’t comment on things you know nothing about. Keep your damned hands off things that need no fixing.

    One home and one road game per team makes perfect sense for 14 weeks. Add in three games against divisional rivals (including Labour Day games) plus one more game against your closest geographical rival, and you have a perfect 18-game schedule.

    Rivalries thrive, fans get to see all teams, and the league is strong.

  • Ricko | March 1, 2010 at 2:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”379921″][quote comment=”379911″][quote comment=”379910″][quote comment=”379909″][quote comment=”379870″]I don’t really get the “Shea Movement”. I get it on the Jake or any other park that was renamed.

    In NY its not like they renamed Shea Citi, its a new park.

    Isn’t “I’m calling it Shea” akin to having a long time girlfriend name Sue, breaking up and getting a new girlfriend named Heather. But instead of calling her Heather, you decide you’re going to call her Sue because you like it better?

    If its that you don’t like the corporate name, which I know is part of it, then why not call the movement, “I’m calling it Flushing Meadows stadium”.[/quote]

    EXCELLENT point, Steve. You said what I feel, but haven’t been able to succinctly put in words. I understand (sort of) the angst, but seriously … it’s a new building, with a new identity, and lots of new memories yet to be made. And personally, I think “Calling it Shea” is disrespectful to Shea itself.

    I’m sure Heather and Sue would agree with Steve, too.[/quote]

    Y’know, I KNEW there was something wrong with my
    “I’m Calling it the Metrodome”
    concept.

    Your point’s well-taken, Steve. Same general thought’s been in my mind for some time. The idea’s kinda funny, but forced. At worst, makes it look like the shirt’s wearer doesn’t understand how such things work, or that, “I have a wiseass comment. Not based on anything valid. But because it’s a wiseass comment, I’ll make it anyway.”

    Wow. WACFWACS.

    (Of course, if we eliminated those, UW would be pretty dead sometimes, wouldn’t it. LOL)

    —Ricko[/quote]
    This may be forced, but I kind of get the Shea logic. For 44 years, Mets fans “enjoyed” outdoor baseball in Willets Point at Shea Stadium. The new place is still outside, and it uses the same subway and LIRR stops. Heck, it’s arguably in the same place, give or take a couple hundred feet. Swap the field and the parking lots, and it IS the same place. (Personally, I call it New Shea, but if you want to call it Ebbets Field, I don’t think I could argue with you.)
    Unlike Minnesota, where you’ll be seeing the Twins at home, but is sure as hell isn’t the HHH Metrodome, for better or for worse.[/quote]

    it’s not “forced” at all. it’s just a simple fun concept that works. don’t read to much into it.[/quote]

    Yeah, it sort of is, because it isn’t the same building. And that’s just a fact, plain and simple.

    I get that it’s funny and the point it’s making, of course. But there have certainly been better statements, structurally speaking, because their progression stays in line….doesn’t shift to another paradigm or ignore some fairly key technical points just so the joke will work.

    That’s all, wasn’t intending to make a huge deal of if. Just that, from a writer’s point of view, the line of reasoning breaks down along the way, but progresses on to its desired end anyhow.

    St. Louis, 1954. “I’m still calling them the Browns.”
    Houston, 1966. “I’m stilling calling them the Colt .45s”

    Suppose could say the both work. But the latter works better because the subject it is far more subjective in nature. The former has a hefty objective element that weakens its position, its logic and its impact.

    Know what I mean?

    —Ricko

  • rpm | March 1, 2010 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”379922″][quote comment=”379903″]go after our wonderful friends in the north. An 18 game schedule in a league with 8 teams? Come on, really?[/quote]

    Much like American reporters on Olympic sports, Jeff, don’t comment on things you know nothing about. Keep your damned hands off things that need no fixing.

    One home and one road game per team makes perfect sense for 14 weeks. Add in three games against divisional rivals (including Labour Day games) plus one more game against your closest geographical rival, and you have a perfect 18-game schedule.

    Rivalries thrive, fans get to see all teams, and the league is strong.[/quote]

    listen to you teebz, this reminds me of a little bowl discussion we had not to long ago. so in light of that, as someone who doesn’t know what would be best for you, i’ll back the jeff dog in this fight:)

  • JimV19 | March 1, 2010 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”379898″]Here in New York no one really cares about Yankees/Mets at this point[/quote]

    The rest of the world welcomes you to the party – glad you could finally join us.

    In the 2000 WS I thought it was cool. Couldn’t care less now. Same with the Yanks and Red Sox, which is the equivalent of watching a Michigan/OSU football game in week one, then another in week 6 and another at the end of the year. There’s such a thing as too much of a good thing.

    And I’m jumping in with the “Bring back doubleheaders and shorten the season” crowd.

  • joe | March 1, 2010 at 2:18 pm |

    Where can we find the rest of the Ed Burns Burns eye view of big league ballparks series??? That’s awesome!

  • JimV19 | March 1, 2010 at 2:22 pm |

    By the way, Garo Yepremian seems to have George Plimpton’s helmet in that eBay photo.

  • Geenf | March 1, 2010 at 2:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”379894″][quote comment=”379893″]New name/logo/unis for the Bobcats now that MJ owns the team?

    http://probasketball...

    The story is wrong abuot Hornets. The name comes from a British military officer’s calling the area a nest of Hornets during the Revoluntionary War. Previous minor league teams had the name Hornets too. Charlotte police badges are actually shaped in the form of hornets nests. Unlike with other Southern cities, you will find almost no Civil War references to anything about Charlotte.[/quote]

    And the last pro sports team named Charlote Hornets was when the New York stars of the World Football League needed to move off crappy Randall’s Island.

  • Geenf | March 1, 2010 at 2:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”379899″]No screen shot, but on Sportscenter they were interviewing Matthew Barnaby about the Gold Medal game and they had a hockey style catchers mask sitting on the table as a decoration instead of a goalie mask. C’MON MAN!!![/quote]

    Fixed your post.

  • timmy b | March 1, 2010 at 2:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”379879″]I was looking at a bw photo of the 1939 Boston Braves and had to look at the Dressed to the Nines database to check the colors.

    Has anyone shown such a variety of stirrup action as the Boston Braves between 1935 and 1940? Let’s see if this link works.

    1935-1940 Boston Braves

    It’s like they were members of rpm’s Stirrup of the Year club.[/quote]

    I don’t know, but they were called the Boston Bees for about 10 years (c.1935-c.1944). When I had Sporting News archive availability, I did glance through its pages from that era and it’s true. They were the Bees.

    So maybe the “I’m still calling them….” club had its roots there since they went back to the Braves around 45 or 46 or so.

  • Bob from Akron | March 1, 2010 at 2:41 pm |

    Not sure if this was ever mentioned, but I seem to recall that when Herb and Claudell Washington were teammates with the A’s (1974-75), they had double-deck NOBs. Can anyone verify this?

  • billso | March 1, 2010 at 2:43 pm |

    My Rowdies UW card is beyond awesome! Thanks, boyos…

  • Ricko | March 1, 2010 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”379933″]Not sure if this was ever mentioned, but I seem to recall that when Herb and Claudell Washington were teammates with the A’s (1974-75), they had double-deck NOBs. Can anyone verify this?[/quote]

    First was smaller, of course.

  • LI Phil | March 1, 2010 at 2:52 pm |

    busy as hell today, but quick two/one hundredths of a dollar on “ICIS”

    here’s why it works, at least in NY

    when mets fans go to a game, we don’t say “you goin’ to the game”?, because even tho it may seem implied, there’s still that other club in the bronx…we say (or said) “you goin’ to shea?”

    with shea now but a memory, it’s extremely difficult to say “you goin’ to citi” (or citifield)”, even if one has no problem with the corporate monicker…many of us STILL say “you goin to shea” even if we MEAN citi and have no problem with it

    the ICIS works on more than just one level…there are several, and that’s why it’s just so perfect — most times i agree with non-new yorkers about the ECB and the big city getting all the unwarranted attention and yada yada…but not in this instance

    if you don’t live here, and aren’t a mets fan, with a certain reverence for the old dump…you’ll never get the ICIS mantra

    it’s simply brilliant…better (imho) than the im “STILL” calling it shirts because no one would look at you twice if you said “you goin’ to the jake” and correct you to say, “you mean progressive”

    here…and i’ve said this at least a half dozen times to a half dozen people, “i caught two games at shea last season” only to be corrected with “you mean citifield”

    no…i don’t

  • JimWa | March 1, 2010 at 3:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”379927″]Where can we find the rest of the Ed Burns Burns eye view of big league ballparks series??? That’s awesome![/quote]

    Huh … I can’t even find the original site where I saw THAT! It would be nice to see write ups like that for the other stadia of the time, though.

  • Squiddie | March 1, 2010 at 3:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”379931″][quote comment=”379879″]I was looking at a bw photo of the 1939 Boston Braves and had to look at the Dressed to the Nines database to check the colors.

    Has anyone shown such a variety of stirrup action as the Boston Braves between 1935 and 1940? Let’s see if this link works.

    1935-1940 Boston Braves

    It’s like they were members of rpm’s Stirrup of the Year club.[/quote]

    I don’t know, but they were called the Boston Bees for about 10 years (c.1935-c.1944). When I had Sporting News archive availability, I did glance through its pages from that era and it’s true. They were the Bees.

    So maybe the “I’m still calling them….” club had its roots there since they went back to the Braves around 45 or 46 or so.[/quote]

    Baseball Almanac has them (in order): Red Caps, Beaneaters, Doves, Rustlers, Braves, Bees, Braves and then off to Milwaukee and finally Atlanta.

    Only the Dodgers compare in the number of names.

    So take your pick. I’m sure the Atlantans won’t mind if you call them the Doves.

  • Geeman | March 1, 2010 at 3:14 pm |

    UVa. wore orange at home last night.

    http://www.washingto...

  • pk | March 1, 2010 at 3:15 pm |

    Phil: hitting the Island for my 1st Rangers-Icelanders game…any tips? Sections to avoid?

    (BTW I’m on the Glass)

  • Paul Lukas | March 1, 2010 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”379909″][quote comment=”379870″]I don’t really get the “Shea Movement”. I get it on the Jake or any other park that was renamed.

    In NY its not like they renamed Shea Citi, its a new park.

    Isn’t “I’m calling it Shea” akin to having a long time girlfriend name Sue, breaking up and getting a new girlfriend named Heather. But instead of calling her Heather, you decide you’re going to call her Sue because you like it better?

    If its that you don’t like the corporate name, which I know is part of it, then why not call the movement, “I’m calling it Flushing Meadows stadium”.[/quote]

    EXCELLENT point, Steve. You said what I feel, but haven’t been able to succinctly put in words. I understand (sort of) the angst, but seriously … it’s a new building, with a new identity, and lots of new memories yet to be made. And personally, I think “Calling it Shea” is disrespectful to Shea itself.

    I’m sure Heather and Sue would agree with Steve, too.[/quote]

    You’re ignoring the back-story. Shortly after the naming rights were awarded, Citi had to be bailed out by the Feds, which led to a local outcry that Citi shouldn’t be spending $400 million on naming rights when they had to be bailed out. One local politician introduced a measure calling for the stadium to be called Taxpayer Field; various media outlets came up with Debits Field, TARP field, etc. So there was a lot of local chatter about what the stadium should be called.

    And we decided cut thru all that chatter by saying, “I’m calling it Shea.”

    Note that the other Naming Wrongs shirts say, “I’m STILL Calling It [whatever].” We didn’t use “Still” for the Shea shirt, cuz it’s a different building. We just thought it was a simple way to honor the old place and dispense with all the chatter about the new place. The Mets play at Shea, the end.

  • Jet | March 1, 2010 at 3:16 pm |

    This ’66 Blackhawks wire photo has me puzzled:

    http://farm3.static....

    I don’t ever remember Chicago’s socks being like this – with black stripes much thicker than the white stripes.

    I remember them as shown on the Hockey Uniform Database, with uniform black and white stripes:

    http://www.nhlunifor...

    In fact, I even had a pair of those red Hawks socks as a kid and they were uniformly black and white. Any insight?

    -Jet

  • Jet | March 1, 2010 at 3:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”379879″]I was looking at a bw photo of the 1939 Boston Braves and had to look at the Dressed to the Nines database to check the colors.

    Has anyone shown such a variety of stirrup action as the Boston Braves between 1935 and 1940? Let’s see if this link works.

    1935-1940 Boston Braves

    It’s like they were members of rpm’s Stirrup of the Year club.[/quote]

    Great catch, Squiddie! Those were giddy times indeed for hose heads!

  • Squiddie | March 1, 2010 at 3:21 pm |

    Back to the Liston-Patterson fight.

    The first Liston-Patterson fight was held in Comiskey Park .

    Patterson wearing a Yankee logo on his robe.

    LIston wore basic white.

    The Liston cardigans in the ring. Is that Paul Robeson?

    Floyd Patterson cardigans. The man on the right is probably Cus D’Amato.

    The Tale of Two Cardigans. After the fight was stopped in the first round.

  • LI Phil | March 1, 2010 at 3:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”379940″]Phil: hitting the Island for my 1st Rangers-Icelanders game…any tips? Sections to avoid?

    (BTW I’m on the Glass)[/quote]

    whose colors are you wearing?

  • Jet | March 1, 2010 at 3:27 pm |

    That 1948 NHL all start jersey…

    http://farm3.static....

    Be still, my heart! And how about the horizontal stripe on the bottom of the breezers?!?!

    -Jet

  • pk | March 1, 2010 at 3:28 pm |

    My Broadway Blues…

  • Ricko | March 1, 2010 at 3:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”379946″]That 1948 NHL all start jersey…

    http://farm3.static....

    Be still, my heart! And how about the horizontal stripe on the bottom of the breezers?!?!

    -Jet[/quote]

    Interesting current “spin” on that (let the slideshow play)
    http://www.mnswarm.c...

    —Ricko

  • JimWa | March 1, 2010 at 3:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”379937″][quote comment=”379927″]Where can we find the rest of the Ed Burns Burns eye view of big league ballparks series??? That’s awesome![/quote]

    Huh … I can’t even find the original site where I saw THAT! It would be nice to see write ups like that for the other stadia of the time, though.[/quote]

    Ah HAH! Here’s where it was originally posted, though I don’t see any obvious link to other stories in the series. There are other great Wrigley images, though!

    http://images.google...

  • pk | March 1, 2010 at 3:34 pm |

    (and for the record: I’m not one to cause trouble in someone else’s house, I hate when people get into shit @ Rangers – Devils @ the Garden…people seem to forget it’s only a game…I’ve been to 2 Islanders games ever: vs. Colorado in ’96 and Boston last January…far less than ever going to a Devils game or the Garden

  • JimWa | March 1, 2010 at 3:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”379949″][quote comment=”379937″][quote comment=”379927″]Where can we find the rest of the Ed Burns Burns eye view of big league ballparks series??? That’s awesome![/quote]

    Huh … I can’t even find the original site where I saw THAT! It would be nice to see write ups like that for the other stadia of the time, though.[/quote]

    Ah HAH! Here’s where it was originally posted, though I don’t see any obvious link to other stories in the series. There are other great Wrigley images, though!

    http://images.google...

    I will now leave my wife and marry the inventor of Google …

    http://www.baseball-...

    Say goodbye to the rest of your Monday.

  • LI Phil | March 1, 2010 at 3:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”379947″]My Broadway Blues…[/quote]

    well…i haven’t been to the mausoleum in a number of years, but even when the isles were decent, you’d expect the crowd to be at least 30% ranger fans…so you should be fine anywhere you sit

    if you’re on the glass, you’re totally fine…it’s not like 20 years ago if you wore blue and orange to the garden and sat in the blue seats…that was askin’ for a beatin…

    not much (despite mr. somers’ jokes) on the turnpike, but you will find a bunch of overpriced bars for pre/post game …

    enjoy the game

  • Ricko | March 1, 2010 at 3:41 pm |

    This is, um…interesting.
    http://www.mnswarm.c...

    —Ricko

  • Ryan | March 1, 2010 at 3:59 pm |

    Charlie Villanueva wearing the supposedly banned Nikes on Saturday against the Warriors

    http://www.gettyimag...

  • MPowers1634 | March 1, 2010 at 4:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”379954″]Charlie Villanueva wearing the supposedly banned Nikes on Saturday against the Warriors

    http://www.gettyimag...

    Im arriving late to the party, buy why would a General Release Team Bank version of the Hyperize be banned?

  • MPowers1634 | March 1, 2010 at 4:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”379955″][quote comment=”379954″]Charlie Villanueva wearing the supposedly banned Nikes on Saturday against the Warriors

    http://www.gettyimag...

    Im arriving late to the party, buy why would a General Release Team Bank version of the Hyperize be banned?[/quote]

    OK…went back and read…the Hyperize are INCREDIBLY light and flimsy.

    But as the article states, RIP only wears JB gear.

  • Ryan | March 1, 2010 at 4:13 pm |

    As quoted from the ticker
    “Last Monday I linked to this story about the Pistons’ ankle injuries possibly being due to a certain brand of swooshified shoe. Now that shoe has been banned from the team”

    http://sports.yahoo....

  • Perry | March 1, 2010 at 4:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”379880″]Ok. 15 teams per league, 5 per division. Drop interleague play entirely. It’s a fairly new concept, kill it. Each team having a few extra days off isn’t going to kill anyone, just reduce the total number of games to keep the season within the same timeframe. Play each team in your division 12 times, play all the other teams in your league 10 times. That’s 148 games. I’m sure the scheduling professionals could make it work.

    (or just forget I said anything… all I was getting at originally is that MLB is and has always been a bit odd, and thus the AP was well within reason to expect uneven divisions)[/quote]

    No, you’re wrong about that. At the time, baseball had always played a completely reasonable schedule. In the days of the 8-team leagues every team played every other team 22 times a year, 22×7=154. Then they went to 10 per league at it was 18 times, 18×9=162. With the advent of divisions in 1969 it was 18 versus your own division, 12 versus the other, still 162. It only got wacky in recent years with interleague play and 3 divisions. I couldn’t tell you how they devise the schedule now. It’s a farce and a disgrace.

  • Teebz | March 1, 2010 at 4:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”379925″]
    listen to you teebz, this reminds me of a little bowl discussion we had not to long ago. so in light of that, as someone who doesn’t know what would be best for you, i’ll back the jeff dog in this fight:)[/quote]

    Back him all you want, Mr. Marshall. The fact of the matter remains that the CFL’s rivalries are strong, and the league itself is growing within the borders of Canada.

    Our NCAA battle was over how playoffs should be structured in college football, not over the scheduling of a summer league that almost always guarantees at least one snow game per season. That alone should have some UWers salivating.

    However, 14 games (7 road and 7 home) against every team PLUS three divisional games for tie-breakers PLUS one game against a geographical rival as a rivalry game makes perfect sense.

    You have the strong rivalries intact, which is good for the game.

    You have tie-breakers for playoff implications, which makes the games mean something for the players… which is good for the game.

    And you have intense rivalries between geographical and divisional opponents, which is good for fans and the league in terms of marketing.

    I fail to see why any of this should change. Our bowl debate was turned by the fact that you single-handedly showed me how attached you are to tOSU’s football program. To you, that’s all that mattered.

    So in that regard, why not have tOSU play less seasonal games? Who cares about how they fare against teams outside their division when winning their division is all that matters?

    Otherwise, we’re arguing the same thing, no? :o)

  • JTH | March 1, 2010 at 5:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”379904″]Atlanta was in the West & St. Louis was in the East for the same reason that the Flyers & Penguins were in West, but the Red Wings and Black Hawks were in the East: to maintain established rivalries.[/quote]
    The Hawks and Wings weren’t always in the Norris together. The two teams were in separate divisions from like 1970 to 1981

    [quote comment=”379942″]This ’66 Blackhawks wire photo has me puzzled:

    http://farm3.static....

    I don’t ever remember Chicago’s socks being like this – with black stripes much thicker than the white stripes.

    I remember them as shown on the Hockey Uniform Database, with uniform black and white stripes:

    http://www.nhlunifor...

    In fact, I even had a pair of those red Hawks socks as a kid and they were uniformly black and white. Any insight?

    -Jet[/quote]
    Here’s an action shot dated 1966.

    And here’s a posed one, also supposedly from 1966.

    The stripe widths seem to be slightly different in all three pictures, none of them matching the sweater hem. A supplier issue?

  • warren thompson | March 1, 2010 at 5:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”379946″]That 1948 NHL all start jersey…

    http://farm3.static....

    Be still, my heart! And how about the horizontal stripe on the bottom of the breezers?!?!

    -Jet[/quote]

    What were the colors on this beautiful jersey?

  • rpm | March 1, 2010 at 5:32 pm |

    teebz~ i was only kidding brother, i am with you on the cfl. i was only ha-haing the fact that you were telling him he doesn’t understand the nuances, and it was football, so of course i gave you just a tickle of a roofus~goofus.

    squiddie~ that is one hell of a stretch of stirrups you found there. i think my grandfather ran a stirrvp gvild that supplied hosiery to the people of the day until he got cotton lung from all the hose dust on the production floor. it was all well chronicled in upton sinclair follow~up to the jungle about oddball factory floor diseases. that book might have even touched on the first ever recorded case of sparkheimers that people were talking about earlier.

  • Greg B. | March 1, 2010 at 5:37 pm |

    I think this was originally in the NY Times regarding the Olympic pictograms. Ties in with the logo film that had a link posted here a while back. Paul, apologies if this was here before and I missed it — feel free to delete this comment if so:

    http://www.youtube.c...

  • Teebz | March 1, 2010 at 6:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”379962″]teebz~ i was only kidding brother, i am with you on the cfl. i was only ha-haing the fact that you were telling him he doesn’t understand the nuances, and it was football, so of course i gave you just a tickle of a roofus~goofus.[/quote]

    OHHHHHH… I was having a rough day at work, so I apologize for coming down hard. However, I stand by my words: hands off the CFL, thanks.

    As an aside, you got my payment for the stirrups, right? :o)

  • LI Phil | March 1, 2010 at 6:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”379964″]you got my payment for the stirrups, right? :o)[/quote]

    what payment?

  • Jet | March 1, 2010 at 7:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”379961″]That 1948 NHL all start jersey…

    http://farm3.static....

    [/quote]

    What were the colors on this beautiful jersey?[/quote]

    Warren, according to the Hockey Uniform Database site, it’s a red sweater and the stripes are alternating blue/white. Ain’t she a beaut??

    (and this was back when the All-Star squad played the Stanley Cup winner!)

    -Jet

  • Jet | March 1, 2010 at 7:06 pm |

    [quote comment=\”379960\”][quote comment=\”379904\”]
    Here\’s an action shot dated 1966.

    And here\’s a posed one, also supposedly from 1966.

    The stripe widths seem to be slightly different in all three pictures, none of them matching the sweater hem. A supplier issue?[/quote]

    Good sleuthing work, Chris. You could be right – perhaps the Hawks ordered from a different supplier who got the pattern wrong, and rather than send them back, they just said, \”close enough\” and went with them…

    -Jet

  • Jet | March 1, 2010 at 7:07 pm |

    ^^^ I was quoting Chris Carter above, not myself. I try to trim the posts and wind up deleting the wrong quote brackets…

  • LI Phil | March 1, 2010 at 7:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”379966″][quote comment=”379961″]That 1948 NHL all start jersey…

    http://farm3.static....

    [/quote]

    What were the colors on this beautiful jersey?[/quote]

    Warren, according to the Hockey Uniform Database site, it’s a red sweater and the stripes are alternating blue/white. Ain’t she a beaut??

    (and this was back when the All-Star squad played the Stanley Cup winner!)

    -Jet[/quote]

    and…in living color

    this is why B&W is sooooo hard to figure out…i would have SWORN those sweaters were blue with red and white stripes, looking at that 1948 pic

  • rpm | March 1, 2010 at 7:13 pm |

    for those confused…
    sparkheimers disease~ a condition wherein someone looks prematurely old ala sparky anderson.

  • Tris Wykes | March 1, 2010 at 7:20 pm |

    That Terbenche Aeros mask appears to be an altered version of the type that U.S. college players wore in the late 1970s. Same style, but with a few bars cut out.

  • Ricko | March 1, 2010 at 7:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”379969″][quote comment=”379966″][quote comment=”379961″]That 1948 NHL all start jersey…

    http://farm3.static....

    [/quote]

    What were the colors on this beautiful jersey?[/quote]

    Warren, according to the Hockey Uniform Database site, it’s a red sweater and the stripes are alternating blue/white. Ain’t she a beaut??

    (and this was back when the All-Star squad played the Stanley Cup winner!)

    -Jet[/quote]

    and…in living color

    this is why B&W is sooooo hard to figure out…i would have SWORN those sweaters were blue with red and white stripes, looking at that 1948 pic[/quote]

    A-ha! Welcome to my life as a kid. LOL

    —Ricko

  • Jet | March 1, 2010 at 7:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”379969″][quote comment=”379966″][quote comment=”379961″]That 1948 NHL all star jersey…

    this is why B&W is sooooo hard to figure out…i would have SWORN those sweaters were blue with red and white stripes, looking at that 1948 pic[/quote]

    Me too!!!

    -Jet

  • Teebz | March 1, 2010 at 7:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”379965″][quote comment=”379964″]you got my payment for the stirrups, right? :o)[/quote]

    what payment?[/quote]

    I purchased stirrups from Mr. Marshall about a week or two ago.

  • Ricko | March 1, 2010 at 8:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”379974″][quote comment=”379969″][quote comment=”379966″][quote comment=”379961″]That 1948 NHL all star jersey…

    this is why B&W is sooooo hard to figure out…i would have SWORN those sweaters were blue with red and white stripes, looking at that 1948 pic[/quote]

    Me too!!!

    -Jet[/quote]

    I’d bet good money that the original shoulder stripes were royal, though, not navy. Navy just does NOT photograph that light.

    Unless by some chance it’s a black and white print made from a color negative. That can almost reverse the color value of red and blue. Also sometimes turns yellow-gold very dark gray.

    For example, there’s a b&w print out there of the 1960 NFL Championship Game Highlight film (copied from the color neg) that would make a viewer absolutely conclude the Packers’ helmets and pants were a color as dark as the Eagles’ kelly jerseys.

    —Ricko

  • Rydell CA | March 1, 2010 at 8:11 pm |

    Green Bay Packer color scheme for a hockey team jersey in Milwaukee,,sounds good. Looks like they deserve one after all they placed in the top five in ratings across North America!! Hello NHL?? anybody home??!

  • LarryB | March 1, 2010 at 8:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”379969″][quote comment=”379966″][quote comment=”379961″]That 1948 NHL all start jersey…

    http://farm3.static....

    [/quote]

    What were the colors on this beautiful jersey?[/quote]

    Warren, according to the Hockey Uniform Database site, it’s a red sweater and the stripes are alternating blue/white. Ain’t she a beaut??

    (and this was back when the All-Star squad played the Stanley Cup winner!)

    -Jet[/quote]

    and…in living color

    this is why B&W is sooooo hard to figure out…i would have SWORN those sweaters were blue with red and white stripes, looking at that 1948 pic[/quote]

    The old sweater is a sweet looking one.

    Nice to see the colors

  • interlockingtc | March 1, 2010 at 8:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”379891″][quote comment=”379890″]we went to watch the first Lightning Cup yesterday, and I noticed the Manatee H.S.’ logo looked familiar.

    http://farm5.static....

    LOVE it!!![/quote]

    That makes me happy. Great homage.

    Honestly, that old Golden Seals logo is one of the strangest, oddest, most mysterious images to ever grace the NHL.

    Does anyone know anything about its origins, the artist, the reaction it got when it was introduced?

  • Teebz | March 1, 2010 at 8:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”379977″]Green Bay Packer color scheme for a hockey team jersey in Milwaukee,,sounds good. Looks like they deserve one after all they placed in the top five in ratings across North America!! Hello NHL?? anybody home??![/quote]

    Yeah, you have a successful hockey team in Milwaukee with the AHL’s Admirals, and the USHL’s Green Bay Gamblers already play in Green Bay.

    Green Bay is a tiny market for the NHL. Won’t happen.

  • rpm | March 1, 2010 at 8:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”379975″][quote comment=”379965″][quote comment=”379964″]you got my payment for the stirrups, right? :o)[/quote]

    what payment?[/quote]

    I purchased stirrups from Mr. Marshall about a week or two ago.[/quote]

    we talked since then didn’t we mr teebowski? yeah, i got it, you were in a week before i went live. your head is going to explode with the most recent developments from the front lines! snicker snicker tease

  • joe | March 1, 2010 at 9:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”379951″][quote comment=”379949″][quote comment=”379937″][quote comment=”379927″]Where can we find the rest of the Ed Burns Burns eye view of big league ballparks series??? That’s awesome![/quote]

    Huh … I can’t even find the original site where I saw THAT! It would be nice to see write ups like that for the other stadia of the time, though.[/quote]

    Ah HAH! Here’s where it was originally posted, though I don’t see any obvious link to other stories in the series. There are other great Wrigley images, though!

    http://images.google...

    I will now leave my wife and marry the inventor of Google …

    http://www.baseball-...

    Say goodbye to the rest of your Monday.[/quote]

    simply awesome

  • Kevin Z. | March 2, 2010 at 12:58 am |

    Not sure I’ve seen the extra strap on the toe flap of Victor Martinez’s shin guards as in this photo from spring training:
    http://browniepoints...

  • ben | March 2, 2010 at 6:27 am |

    http://www.treehugge...

    They say Nike is making soccer jerseys out of plastic. Hmmm…

  • JTH | March 2, 2010 at 7:16 am |

    [quote comment=”379986″]http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/02/nike-creates-world-cup-jerseys-from-landfill-plastic.php

    They say Nike is making soccer jerseys out of plastic. Hmmm…[/quote]
    The jerseys have been made out of plastic for decades. PET = polyester.