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Putting the Y in DIY

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Got a note the other day from Terence Kearns, who wanted to tell me about his latest DIY project. Along the way, he raised an interesting question. Take a look:

Here’s another one of my hybrid DIY varsity jackets — a 1930s-inspired Chicago Blackhawks jacket. Just like my last one, I found all the patches on eBay and the jacket was right off the rack, so the whole thing cost me about $120.

When you posted my ’86 Mets jacket last month, someone in the comments said, ‘It’s not DIY if you pay someone to sew it on for you.’ JimV suggested calling it DIO (Do It Oursleves). Now, I don’t have the skills or equipment to attach chain-stitched or chenille patches to thick wool melton or leather sleeves, so I outsource the sewing, and I’ve still created a one-of-a-kind, quality sports schwag in the DIY spirit that I think is awesome. And that’s the point, isn’t it?

It’s an interesting question, one that reminds us that everything is relative. After all, if you really wanna make a DIY jersey, shouldn’t you sew the shirt together yourself, instead of buying a blank one at Wal-Mart? For that matter, shouldn’t you grow the cotton from which you make that shirt? If you’re making a DIY wool jacket with leather sleeves, shouldn’t you shear the sheep and tan the leather?

Obviously, that’s an unreasonable standard to impose. But those examples are useful reminders that almost every DIY project includes elements that have been, as Terence puts it, outsourced. Does it matter? Is there a hierarchy of DIYness?

This debate reminds me of something I used to hear back in the 1990s, when I published a zine. At that time, zines had been around for many years but desktop publishing software and internet networking were starting to make some zines look more slick, like “real” magazines. This led to a lot of chatter about whether something deserved to be called a zine if it was professionally printed instead of being xeroxed at Kinko’s, or if it had any full-color content, or if it had advertising, or if it had corporate advertising, and so on. Lots of litmus tests.

My feeling, then and now, is that a zine is an independent publication whose subject matter, voice, and point of view are largely a reflection of one person’s distinctive sensibility (preferably an interesting, articulate person with an eccentric sensibility, but you can’t always have everything), and all the rest is a big gray area. Similarly, I think a DIY uniform project is anything conceived and executed by one person’s vision, even if some of the execution is done by someone else.

Would it have been “better” if Terence had sewn the patches onto his jacket himself? Sure. For that matter, he could have made his own patches, instead of buying them on eBay. But he wanted pro-level patches, and that’s fine. He also didn’t have the resources to sew onto leather, and that’s fine too. Still counts as DIY in my book.

Then again, maybe I’m not the right one to be offering that assessment, since I’ve never made a DIY jersey myself. And I understand that someone who does all his own sewing, like Bryan Justman, might take a dim view of Terence’s approach. What do all you other DIYers out there think?

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ESPN Reminder: In case you missed it yesterday, here’s my Super Bowl column on ESPN.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Ladies and gentlemen, your new, semi-permanent Super Bowl industrial complex logo. Key quote, from the NFL’s huckster-in-chief: “We feel that 45 is a special year. It feels like it’s the perfect time to launch it.” It must be very interesting to be the sort of person who can give that kind of quote with a straight face. … I meant to post this earlier in the week but forgot: Nike’s “Pro Combat” marketing campaign has gotten out of hand. … Latest organization holding a logo-design contest: the National Endowment for the Arts (with thanks to Todd Radom). … Here’s something we missed from last weekend: The Maple Leafs wore camouflage jerseys during pregame warm-ups last Saturday. “I believe they were honoring Canadian soldiers who had come home from Afghanistan,” says Jenn Walsh. … Interesting longjohns controversy in the soccer world. … Some interesting Rochester Red Wings pics from Paul Bielewicz: First, these 1960s shots of Joe Altobelli and Boog Powell show the team’s “ball with wings” logo wrapping around the sides of the batting helmet. … The Fleer Sticker Project has hit the holy grail, the mother lode, the pièce de résistance: NFL Chiquita Banana stickers. Full details here. … More Fleer Sticker goodness: NFL soft drink promotions. … The good folks at Strictly Fitteds are celebrating their third anniversary with a giveaway contest — one lucky winner will win 100 fitted caps! Details here. … You can see Chuck Bednarik strapping on a leather helmet with a facemask here (great find by Giancarlo). … You probably knew this already, but it’s always good to be reminded: That Reebok jersey you’re wearing was probably sewn together by woefully underpaid Third World labor. … R. Scott Rogers sent along some awesome jersey photos he took at the Cedar Rapids Kernals ballpark museum, plus he pointed me toward a nice little photo gallery of historical team photos. … Bruce Genther collects vintage uniform catalogs, just like I do (read: We often bid against each other), and lately he’s been scanning the most uni-relevant pages from the catalogs in his collection. First up: 1962 Wilson and 1973 Rawlings. … Last week’s issue of Fortune magazine (which I was once the marketing columnist, believe it or not) has a nice little piece on concussion-sensing football helmets (as forwarded by Joe Nocella). … Here’s a cool article about Vermac, the Belgian company that outfits lots of cycling teams (with thanks to Sean Clancy). … Also from Sean: “SpiderTech, the prepackaged kinesiology tape, is sponsoring a road bike team in Canada, called SpiderTech presented by Planet Energy. At the launch, Canadian cycling legend Steve Bauer auctioned off one of his yellow tunics from the Tour de France. The team sported the tape while dressed in full kit at the official team launch, so they were all taped up and just standing around in sneakers. … Major development on the package design front, as Heinz has revamped the single-serve ketchup packet (big thanks to Adam Brodsky). … Some goot chatter about hockey stick taping here (with thanks to Ken Juba). … Good catch by Eric Trout, who noticed Michigan State’s Draymond Green wearing Sacramento Kings practice shorts underneath his game shorts. “With MSU being a big Nike school, they probably wouldn’t be thrilled with the three stripes flashing underneath their uniform,” he notes. … Ugliest sneaker ever? It’s certainly in the running (with thanks to Austin Chen). … According to this article, Colorado football ” will likely wear 1990 throwback uniforms throughout next season” (as noted by Matthew Robins). … Whoa, check out this totally groovy Penguins patch! Never seen that one before. Anyone else? (Awesome find by Jason Bernard). … You know how medical journals always have stories about people who show up at the emergency room with Coke bottles up their ass or crayons in their urethra or whatever? Here, at last, is a uni-related version of that kind of story (blame Paul Wiederecht). … Rob Harrigan wrote up a nice ode to his favorite bowling shirt. … I’m several days late with this, but RIP, Jane Jarvis — you were a crucial part of the soundtrack to my childhood.

 

213 comments to Putting the Y in DIY

  • Liketheriver | February 5, 2010 at 8:21 am |

    What is going on with Daniel “boobie” Gibson’s leg pads? they arent on his knees they are on his shins. I dont think I can ever remember getting my shins knocked up to much in basketball to warrant shin pads.

    http://www.nba.com/m...

  • JTH | February 5, 2010 at 8:22 am |

    I’m firmly in the camp of those who say that if you conceive the project yourself, make or purchase all the elements separately and put it together (or have it put together) the way you want it, then it’s DIY no matter if you do the final assembly or if you outsource that step.

    And that’s a fantastic jacket
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Paul: I don’t know if you intend to keep doing it, but I like the way you give the next-day reminders about the ESPN columns.

  • Liketheriver | February 5, 2010 at 8:32 am |

    So the Super Bowl this year is in “South Florida” not Miami and next year according to that ESPN article it is in “North Texas” not Dallas. So does that mean in 2012 when the Super Bowl comes here to Indy will it be in “Central Indiana?”

  • Jim | February 5, 2010 at 8:45 am |

    About that Penguins patch: As soon as I saw it I remembered having a Buffalo Sabres version. I distinctly remember that it had two problems, 1) the uniform was red, and 2) the player was wearing a civil war era cap. I assume that whoever designed it knew nothing about the team. You can see it here: http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    That style of “kepi” hat wouldn’t appear again in the NHL until the Columbus Blue Jackets used one in an alternate logo. http://www.chriscrea...

  • Juke Early | February 5, 2010 at 8:45 am |

    With regard to the definition of Do It Yourself DIY. What if that designation is for items designed & outsourced, some labor done by yourself. If you did adapt/create a design & a lot of hands on sewing – regardless of where the materials were fabricated it’s a ” Made It Yourself.” MIY…

    BTW nice looking DIY jacket(s) ;-)

  • Jim | February 5, 2010 at 8:48 am |

    About that Penguins patch: As soon as I saw it I remembered having a Buffalo Sabres version. I distinctly remember that it had two problems, 1) the uniform was red, and 2) the player was wearing a civil war era cap. I assume that whoever designed it knew nothing about the team. You can see it here: http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    That style of “kepi” hat wouldn”t appear again in the NHL until the Columbus Blue Jackets used one in an alternate logo. http://www.chriscrea...

  • ScottyM | February 5, 2010 at 8:52 am |

    Come on, people, don’t be so nitpicky on DIY.

    It’s not like the major product manufacturers don’t outsource (lots).

    Nike doesn’t farm cotton (or lycra ;), formulate rubber, and manufacture shoelaces and zippers! They outsource all that stuff.

    Lighten up, DIY is exactly what this chap is up to. It’s a “spirit” more so than a comprehensive “act.”

  • Bernard | February 5, 2010 at 8:56 am |

    I made it to “crayons in their urethra”, and immediately fainted.

  • Frosty | February 5, 2010 at 9:05 am |

    As a DIY’er that does my own cutting / sewing of most of the art, but uses pre-existing or recycled (as in – had patches formerly attached and I removed them) jackets, jerseys, hats, etc as my “canvas” – I applaud the efforts of Terrance. Anyone that puts forth the effort of taking a vision they have and executing it, be it with patches, twill, or even putting roman numerals on the back of pond hockey sweaters with duct tape – BRAVO.

    I have to admit though – I’ve tried to find patterns for some of the old sun-collar baeball jerseys to actually make one from the bottom up. Perhaps THAT is our holy grail…Terrance, Ry Co could likely further elaborate.

    There’s a unique feeling of accomplishment when completed…probably what keps me coming back for more. Everyone should try it once and appreciate – whether it ends up a dumpster fire or you’re actually good at it.

    The best part: anything I can do better than my wife is another arrow in my quiver. And this stuff is in the stereotype of her arena.

    Happy Super Bowl everyone / best of luck to Scott…never met or spoke with you, but have been admiring your work for a few years.

    Frosty

  • Mike Sherman | February 5, 2010 at 9:17 am |

    If all you’re really doing is collecting the pieces, I don’t think it’s really DIY. Unless the “D” stands for “designed.”

    With that being said, who gives a shit? The point is that he now has something he thinks is awesome, and something he wouldn’t be able to buy retail. That’s all that counts.

  • Elena | February 5, 2010 at 9:17 am |

    Whaaaat, you can’t make your own patterns, Frosty?
    I’ve done some pattern making, but I never dye my own fabric. I no longer grow my own cotton [no, wait–that was my grandparents that did that]. I’m OK with calling it DIY if you buy the shirt, jacket, or patches. Buying premade cookie dough and decorating that is borderline, but to each according to their abilities. It’s all good.

  • Traxel | February 5, 2010 at 9:23 am |

    Well….Terence….who the hell cares if it can fit within a name (DIY) that doesn’t even have a finite defination anyway. All that matters is “did you have fun doing it” and “do you like the outcome”. If the jacket turned out great (which it did) and you enjoyed hunting down the exact patches you wanted, why does it need to fit into a catagory that is not even properly defined? BTW, I like the Mets one too.

    Browns sweater update. After the Grumpy’s gathering at the Deep Freeze it was finally time to clense the thing. I took it to the drycleaners and they claim they took extra special care. Overall, not too bad. I have to go back and glue down a few fliers but nothing came completely off. I still need to send it down to Frosty (yes, outsource my DIY) and have him sew the patches on professionally. He does a great job and his stuff really rocks.

  • DarkAudit | February 5, 2010 at 9:24 am |

    Only have two things to say about those jackets.

    Drool.

    And WANT.

  • RS Rogers | February 5, 2010 at 9:30 am |

    On the Cedar Rapids baseball photos, the fourth one in the Flickr set, the really faded jersey with the rabbit on the left chest, is from 1907. The sign says they were the Bunnies, but I’ve seen the team called both the Bunnies and the Rabbits in old press clippings. (My grandfather worked for the Cedar Rapids Gazette.) I suspect that Rabbits was the actual team nickname, and Bunnies was a press nickname.

    One of these years, I’m going to ask Jerry at Ebbett’s to make a couple of those old Cedar Rapids jerseys.

  • chris heintzelman | February 5, 2010 at 9:32 am |

    the penguin patch is indeed sweet. was a rare find for me, as i made my own penguins varsity jacket, (no, i didn’t sew the patches on). i’d love to post pics of my jacket, but i’m pretty much computer inept, maybe i’ll ask my daughter for help.

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 9:36 am |

    FOLLOW UP….

    During the day yesterday I said it didn’t look like there’d be NFL football in 2011.

    KT said I was being “alarmist.”

    Later in the day the executive director of the NFLPA said the likelihood of a lockout after next season was, “14…on a scale of 10.”

    —Ricko

  • leon | February 5, 2010 at 9:41 am |

    Who knew that a fleur-de-lis could be fashioned into a Prince Albert?

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 9:46 am |

    For the record, “South Florida” is a phrase that definitely is part of the vernacular. It what that part of the state calls itself.

    Isn’t something the NFL coined for the occasion.

    And the stadium is very, very close to Fort Lauderdale. Virtually in it (know that for a fact because if you’re traveling south from Boca on the turnpike and miss the exit for the Fort Lauderdale airport, you can turn yourself around shortly thereafter at the stadium exit).

    Just saying, is understandable that the “Miami” designation isn’t in the forefront.

    —Ricko

  • Roger Faso | February 5, 2010 at 9:46 am |

    Design It Yourself?

  • Ry Co 40 | February 5, 2010 at 9:50 am |

    DIY:

    to steal terms from ScottyM & Frosty, “DIY” is more about “spirit” and “accomplishment” then “do it yourself”… in fact, “DIY” maybe just a generic label to describe the end result. like Traxel said, it’s all about having fun doing it.

    also, i don’t think it would be fair to nit-pick Terence’s jackets. the average sewing machine wouldn’t be able to push through the material of those jackets. so it would then have to be sewn by a professional. i like to think i know TK well enough that if he could have sewn it himself he would have. the jackets are fantastic, and “DIY” 110%! just great work and creativity!!!

    i’m a HUGE fan of all you DIYers and your work, no matter the project! reading a UW-DIY post, or seeing something like pics of Trax wearing his brownie DIY at the deep freez definitely adds a step to my day!

    keep up the great work, and have some fun!

  • cityroute16 | February 5, 2010 at 9:51 am |

    As for the DYI question: I am at this moment using my handmade binary computer to send this message, as I pedal my generator to produce enough juice to send it and…………….

  • JimWa | February 5, 2010 at 9:56 am |

    There’s NNOB, and NOB. NNOB is easy and clear. NOB can – as we often see here – fall into many subcatagories.

    There’s store-bought, and DIY. Storebought is easy and clear. DIY can fall into many subcatagories.

  • chance michaels | February 5, 2010 at 9:57 am |

    Key quote, from the NFL’s huckster-in-chief: “We feel that 45 is a special year. It feels like it’s the perfect time to launch it.” It must be very interesting to be the sort of person who can give that kind of quote with a straight face.
    Hey, for what the NFL’s paying him, I’d work on my lying skills.

    Besides, it’s not like anybody in the room took him seriously. It’s like that line from The Maltese Falcon: “Of course, you lied to us about your sister and all, but that didn’t count – we didn’t believe you.”

  • tosaman | February 5, 2010 at 10:06 am |

    [quote comment=”376256″]As for the DYI question: I am at this moment using my handmade binary computer to send this message, as I pedal my generator to produce enough juice to send it and…………….[/quote]

    LOL

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 10:06 am |

    [quote comment=”376258″]Key quote, from the NFL’s huckster-in-chief: “We feel that 45 is a special year. It feels like it’s the perfect time to launch it.” It must be very interesting to be the sort of person who can give that kind of quote with a straight face.
    Hey, for what the NFL’s paying him, I’d work on my lying skills.

    Besides, it’s not like anybody in the room took him seriously. It’s like that line from The Maltese Falcon: “Of course, you lied to us about your sister and all, but that didn’t count – we didn’t believe you.”[/quote]

    Right. The long revered and traditional 45th Anniversary Celebration.

    Unbelievable. They just make up shit and call it real. Like watching little girls play with their Barbies. “I know! Let’s have it be National ‘Wear Leg Warmers’ Day!”

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 10:11 am |

    And 2012 will be the traditional…
    “Oh God, people, please watch our games and start buying tickets again, you’re killin’ us”
    approach.

    —Ricko

  • tosaman | February 5, 2010 at 10:12 am |

    re: the new ‘standardized’ Super Bowl(TM) logo: if they include the Lombardi trophy on the patch (and I’m assuming they will), that’s gonna be one bigass patch

    re: Penguins patch: long ago, I received hockey catalogs from Casey’s in Kirkwood, MO and I distinctly remember there being a patch for every NHL team — the Flyers had a guy wearing an aviator helmet and goggles (a la Charles Lindbergh or Amelia Earhart) and either the North Stars or the Canucks had a guy wearing a touque — that whole series of patches was drool-worthy

  • interlockingtc | February 5, 2010 at 10:13 am |

    The Chiquita banana NFL helmet sticker: about as simple and gratifying as it gets.

    What a great marketing strategy.

  • lose remerswaal | February 5, 2010 at 10:13 am |

    Either the NFL realized that they’ve run out of ideas and color combos for the SuperBowl Logo, or they figured out how much $$ they could save by sticking with one logo.

    Now if only MLB will do the same with World Series logos we could get on with our lives

  • Terence M. K. | February 5, 2010 at 10:13 am |

    [quote comment=”376255″]DIY:

    to steal terms from ScottyM & Frosty, “DIY” is more about “spirit” and “accomplishment” then “do it yourself”… in fact, “DIY” maybe just a generic label to describe the end result. like Traxel said, it’s all about having fun doing it.

    also, i don’t think it would be fair to nit-pick Terence’s jackets. the average sewing machine wouldn’t be able to push through the material of those jackets. so it would then have to be sewn by a professional. i like to think i know TK well enough that if he could have sewn it himself he would have. the jackets are fantastic, and “DIY” 110%! just great work and creativity!!!

    i’m a HUGE fan of all you DIYers and your work, no matter the project! reading a UW-DIY post, or seeing something like pics of Trax wearing his brownie DIY at the deep freez definitely adds a step to my day!

    keep up the great work, and have some fun![/quote]

    RyCo and I were just having this convo the other night and yeah, If my guy at Parkview Sports would let me near his equipment, I’d be all over it! I’d probably stitch mt fingers to the jacket a couple of times before it got it right..but anyway, for me it’s about the idea, finding the right pieces (which in some cases can take months), failing a couple of times (I’ve got a couple of Franken-shirts in the closet that I’m scared to look at) and then finally putting it on your back and wearing it and someone telling you “that’s cool! Never seen one like that before” and responses like the ones I got here at Uni-Watch from people who’s opinion I respect and who “get it”!

    Thanks guys,

    Terence M.K.

  • Hott Rodd | February 5, 2010 at 10:14 am |

    [quote comment=”376251″]FOLLOW UP….

    During the day yesterday I said it didn’t look like there’d be NFL football in 2011.

    KT said I was being “alarmist.”

    Later in the day the executive director of the NFLPA said the likelihood of a lockout after next season was, “14…on a scale of 10.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I feel conflicted on this, because on the one hand I am sure that De Smith is posturing to bolster his postion, but on the other hand I would definitely not call anyone an alarmist who says there will be no football in ’11. Once the 2010 league year officially starts (sometime around march 1) the salary cap is gone, and at that point the posturing has to end or there truly will be no football in ’11.

  • leon | February 5, 2010 at 10:17 am |

    Right. The long revered and traditional 45th Anniversary Celebration.

    Unbelievable. They just make up shit and call it real. Like watching little girls play with their Barbies. “I know! Let’s have it be National ‘Wear Leg Warmers’ Day!”

    —Ricko

    LOL
    Reminiscent of the Redskins “70th” anniversary celebration: complete with naming of “70th” all-time players (as selected by a panel, many of whose credentials for such a selection were dubious at best) and a “throwback” uni that was a mishmash of several eras, many of which were forgettable. (BTW, let’s hope Snyder doesn’t catch wind of that leg warmers idea).

  • leon | February 5, 2010 at 10:17 am |

    should be “70” all-time players. apologies

  • LI Phil | February 5, 2010 at 10:21 am |

    well done terence

    as someone who quit trying to DIY anything after a failed attempt at creating my own “logo” for my ahem, line of tennis clothing…i can completely agree with the DIY (with help where help is necessary) school…

    while not quite analagous, im sure the guy who took one of those “iron on’s” you used to get in a sports/music/etc. magazine in the 1970’s and presses it onto a shirt considers that DIY, and it is…

    your jackets certainly qualify, since you selected all the materials/pieces and envisioned the project

    we don’t consider powers’ creations to not be DIYs because he has a seamstress help him, do we?

  • Chuck | February 5, 2010 at 10:21 am |

    State NOT changing logo anymorehttp://foxsportsdetroit.com/pages/landing/?blockID=175638&feedID=3706

  • pru | February 5, 2010 at 10:23 am |

    How can the NFL, in the same press conference, announce a standardized Superbowl logo featuring the Lombardi trophy announce that the Lombardi trophy is going change every year?

  • pru | February 5, 2010 at 10:24 am |

    [quote comment=”376271″]How can the NFL, in the same press conference, announce a standardized Superbowl logo featuring the Lombardi trophy, and announce that the Lombardi trophy is going change every year?[/quote]

    sorry fotgot the “,and”

  • Hott Rodd | February 5, 2010 at 10:25 am |

    [quote comment=”376253″]For the record, “South Florida” is a phrase that definitely is part of the vernacular. It what that part of the state calls itself.

    Isn’t something the NFL coined for the occasion.

    And the stadium is very, very close to Fort Lauderdale. Virtually in it (know that for a fact because if you’re traveling south from Boca on the turnpike and miss the exit for the Fort Lauderdale airport, you can turn yourself around shortly thereafter at the stadium exit).

    Just saying, is understandable that the “Miami” designation isn’t in the forefront.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Hell all of the media is IN Ft Lauderdale.

    The Stadium here in Phoenix is actually in Glendale, and teams stayed in Scottsdale.

    The stadium in Dallas is in Arlington, and from my experience there in Sept. that may actually be further from downtown Dallas than Glendale is from Phoenix.

    I agree with the regionalization to a point, when it makes sense. If everything happens in Indianapolis proper, then call it the Indianapolis super bowl.

    But the regional designations are nothing new. The Phoenix Cardinals became the Arizona Cardinals for that reason 15 years ago. Look at this image from SB XXX http://www.logoshak....
    That game was played in Tempe, not Phoenix, so it just has the stadium and state.

    In fact the practice of having the stadium name started with Super Bowl XIII, before that it just had the number. NFL has never been consistent with the logos and it sucks that they will start now, but using regional names isn’t really a change since there really has never been a standard.

  • Nick | February 5, 2010 at 10:28 am |

    SAINTS, SAINTS & MORE SAINTS ….

    Logged on too late night to get into the Saints discussion, but I agree that the 1960’s Saints Old Gold is Heavenly – and much better than what they wear today.

    I say they could keep the current uni template, but simply use Old Gold instead of Vegas Gold, and use the Black-White-Black stripe on the Pants. On White jerseys, use Old Gold numerals trimmed in double-thick Black trim, as in the 1960’s. Get rid of the neck/collar colors, they are a distraction and simply in the way.

    And let the Black Leotards be donated to whatever Junior College will take them.

    SAINTS MEDIA DAY NOTE …

    Anyone else but me notice that for Media Day EVERY Saint wore jerseys with open sleeves, QB/K style? These were loosely fitting “authentic” jerseys with full sleeves – even the DL wore them. I have seen or heard of these these “Media Day” jerseys worn by colleges in Bowl Game media days (a web site 3-4 years ago sold UCLA “Media Day jerseys – wearable sleeves, full bodies, sewn numerals), but never have I ever seen the pros do it. I say this is a good move.

    From the looks of things, the Colts wore their regular jerseys for Media Day – look at Freeney’s tight sleeveless jersey and you’ll see what I mean.

    As for the Saints, these “Media Day” jerseys are a new “Super Bowl” kinda thing, as Saints players regularly wear their sleeveless, too-tight beauties to community events. Happily, they now have wearable jerseys for public events.

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 10:28 am |

    [quote comment=”376271″]How can the NFL, in the same press conference, announce a standardized Superbowl logo featuring the Lombardi trophy announce that the Lombardi trophy is going change every year?[/quote]

    Because (I quote myself) “They just make up shit and call it real.”

    —Ricko

  • GoTerriers | February 5, 2010 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=”376275″][quote comment=”376271″]How can the NFL, in the same press conference, announce a standardized Superbowl logo featuring the Lombardi trophy announce that the Lombardi trophy is going change every year?[/quote]

    Because (I quote myself) “They just make up shit and call it real.”

    —Ricko[/quote]
    I think the announcement was not that the Lombardi Trophy is changing. I read it that it’s the Lamar Hunt Trophy (AFC Champs) and the George Halas Trophy (NFC Champs) that are being redesigned to be silver footballs. Not sure that it passes the “good or stupid” test, though.

  • JTH | February 5, 2010 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=”376267″]Right. The long revered and traditional 45th Anniversary Celebration.

    Unbelievable. They just make up shit and call it real. Like watching little girls play with their Barbies. “I know! Let’s have it be National ‘Wear Leg Warmers’ Day!”

    —Ricko

    LOL
    Reminiscent of the Redskins “70th” anniversary celebration: complete with naming of “70th” all-time players (as selected by a panel, many of whose credentials for such a selection were dubious at best) and a “throwback” uni that was a mishmash of several eras, many of which were forgettable. (BTW, let’s hope Snyder doesn’t catch wind of that leg warmers idea).[/quote]
    But sometimes it does make sense to commemorate a 45th anniversary.

  • leon | February 5, 2010 at 10:33 am |

    The Redskins won the “Super Bowl Tournament”, as it was called, following the strike-shortened 1981 season. They also won following the strike-affected 1987 season (replacement, or, “scab” teams were used for three games and there was a delightful Monday Night game featuring the Skins replacement team defeating the cowboys, who had many regulars in their lineup, in Dallas-terrific!).
    So, I’m not sure I care if there is a strike.
    :)

    BTW, I believe the movie, “The Replacements” may have been inspired by this game and/or season.

  • Nick | February 5, 2010 at 10:36 am |

    SAINTS JERSEYS ….

    I love stripes, and I love sleeves, but I am now of the mind that sleeves and stripes, particulasrly the really nice stripes that the Saints wore in the 1960’s, are a thing of the past – I mean, for cryin’ out loud, we can’t even get full UCLA stripes anymore – not even at UCLA!

    So I surrender, I say OK, we’ll accept for now the stripeless look, with the redundant team logo placed on the same uni 17 times, and wait until the stripes on the undergarmet idea takes hold.

    We will live with the current Saints jersey – but with Old Gold. I’ll take that trade in a minute ….. until then, I will curse Vegas Gold and call it what it really is – the Pantone of Weak, Watered-down Cat Piss.

  • The Ol Goaler | February 5, 2010 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment=”376236″]What is going on with Daniel “boobie” Gibson’s leg pads? they arent on his knees they are on his shins. I dont think I can ever remember getting my shins knocked up to much in basketball to warrant shin pads.

    http://www.nba.com/m...
    Perhaps a shout-out to the late, great Wilt Chamberlain? Wilt’s knees were further from the floor than most of his opponents, so their knees would hit “The Big Dipper” in the shins… Boobie, not so much…

  • JTH | February 5, 2010 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment=”376269″]we don’t consider powers’ creations to not be DIYs because he has a seamstress help him, do we?[/quote]
    Hell, no. Do you think she really wants to claim those as her own?

    Speaking of Powers…
    [quote comment=”376029″]Ugliest sneaker ever?[/quote]
    Please. You know Matt’s got a couple dozen pairs in his closet that are much worse.

  • Nick | February 5, 2010 at 10:40 am |

    There are actually Super Bowl police badges made up each year for the Police Departments in the host cities that incorporate the SB logo with the police badge.

    An organization that I belong to in New Orleans is going to receive a SB 44 police badge badge and raffle it off soon. If I get a picture I will post it.

  • Ryan B | February 5, 2010 at 10:42 am |

    [quote comment=”376264″]Either the NFL realized that they’ve run out of ideas and color combos for the SuperBowl Logo, or they figured out how much $$ they could save by sticking with one logo.

    Now if only MLB will do the same with World Series logos we could get on with our lives[/quote]
    Yay. The NFL has become the NBA and the NHL.

    And MLB did have standardized World Series logos, from 1980-87, a revised design that lasted from 1988-91, a third redesign from 1992-97, and a final revision that lasted for 1998 and 1999. Only since 2000 has MLB had a different WS logo every season.

  • The Jeff | February 5, 2010 at 10:45 am |

    The more I think about it, I really don’t have any problem with the new system. If anything, it’ll make the new logos [i]more[/i] localized.

    Take a good look at all of the previous 44 logos. I see maybe 6 or 7 where the location is obvious without any city text – and 2 of those are because they have a big rose on them for Pasadena. The first 15 or so are basically just “pick a font and go with it” logos. Superbowls 29, 33, 41 and 44 are all in Miami. Despite sharing the same city, those logos all have nothing in common with each other. (Ok, 41 and 44 have very similar clip-art footballs in them, but that’s it, nothing to tie those games to the same city.)

  • Kerry P | February 5, 2010 at 10:45 am |

    [quote comment=”376276″][quote comment=”376275″][quote comment=”376271″]How can the NFL, in the same press conference, announce a standardized Superbowl logo featuring the Lombardi trophy announce that the Lombardi trophy is going change every year?[/quote]

    Because (I quote myself) “They just make up shit and call it real.”

    —Ricko[/quote]
    I think the announcement was not that the Lombardi Trophy is changing. I read it that it’s the Lamar Hunt Trophy (AFC Champs) and the George Halas Trophy (NFC Champs) that are being redesigned to be silver footballs. Not sure that it passes the “good or stupid” test, though.[/quote]
    Then go back and re-read the press release. It clearly states the following: The Vince Lombardi trophy will be a permanent fixture on Super Bowl logos from now on. The trophy itself will receive a new regional look, depending on where the game is played.

    If this is a mistake in the press release, then it’s a HUGE error.

  • jesse | February 5, 2010 at 10:46 am |

    [quote comment=”376275″][quote comment=”376271″]How can the NFL, in the same press conference, announce a standardized Superbowl logo featuring the Lombardi trophy announce that the Lombardi trophy is going change every year?[/quote]

    Because (I quote myself) “They just make up shit and call it real.”

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Quote of the day,very well said.

  • Hott Rodd | February 5, 2010 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment=”376278″]The Redskins won the “Super Bowl Tournament”, as it was called, following the strike-shortened 1981 season. They also won following the strike-affected 1987 season (replacement, or, “scab” teams were used for three games and there was a delightful Monday Night game featuring the Skins replacement team defeating the cowboys, who had many regulars in their lineup, in Dallas-terrific!).
    So, I’m not sure I care if there is a strike.
    :)

    BTW, I believe the movie, “The Replacements” may have been inspired by this game and/or season.[/quote]

    yup, many regulars but tony dorsett in the worst season of his career, danny white in his last half season starting, and no herschel.

  • Jeremy | February 5, 2010 at 10:50 am |

    I thought last year’s Super Bowl was at South Florida – http://www.replaypho...

    So next year’s game is going to be here? – http://www.unt.edu/s...

  • JTH | February 5, 2010 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment=”376287″][quote comment=”376278″]The Redskins won the “Super Bowl Tournament”, as it was called, following the strike-shortened 1981 season. They also won following the strike-affected 1987 season (replacement, or, “scab” teams were used for three games and there was a delightful Monday Night game featuring the Skins replacement team defeating the cowboys, who had many regulars in their lineup, in Dallas-terrific!).
    So, I’m not sure I care if there is a strike.
    :)

    BTW, I believe the movie, “The Replacements” may have been inspired by this game and/or season.[/quote]

    yup, many regulars but tony dorsett in the worst season of his career, danny white in his last half season starting, and no herschel.[/quote]
    Speaking of the replacement players, Sean Payton was one of the “Spare Bears”. He played QB in all three games. Mike Hohensee (now coaching the Chicago Rush) was the starter for two of the games. I’m not sure who started the other one, but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Payton.

  • GoTerriers | February 5, 2010 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”376285″][quote comment=”376276″][quote comment=”376275″][quote comment=”376271″]How can the NFL, in the same press conference, announce a standardized Superbowl logo featuring the Lombardi trophy announce that the Lombardi trophy is going change every year?[/quote]

    Because (I quote myself) “They just make up shit and call it real.”

    —Ricko[/quote]
    I think the announcement was not that the Lombardi Trophy is changing. I read it that it’s the Lamar Hunt Trophy (AFC Champs) and the George Halas Trophy (NFC Champs) that are being redesigned to be silver footballs. Not sure that it passes the “good or stupid” test, though.[/quote]
    Then go back and re-read the press release. It clearly states the following: The Vince Lombardi trophy will be a permanent fixture on Super Bowl logos from now on. The trophy itself will receive a new regional look, depending on where the game is played.

    If this is a mistake in the press release, then it’s a HUGE error.[/quote]
    Not a mistake in the press release. Just a case of me scanning the article and choosing to not read that part of the statement. It’s what my wife calls “teacher reading”

  • The Jeff | February 5, 2010 at 10:53 am |

    [quote comment=”376285″][quote comment=”376276″][quote comment=”376275″][quote comment=”376271″]How can the NFL, in the same press conference, announce a standardized Superbowl logo featuring the Lombardi trophy announce that the Lombardi trophy is going change every year?[/quote]

    Because (I quote myself) “They just make up shit and call it real.”

    —Ricko[/quote]
    I think the announcement was not that the Lombardi Trophy is changing. I read it that it’s the Lamar Hunt Trophy (AFC Champs) and the George Halas Trophy (NFC Champs) that are being redesigned to be silver footballs. Not sure that it passes the “good or stupid” test, though.[/quote]
    Then go back and re-read the press release. It clearly states the following: The Vince Lombardi trophy will be a permanent fixture on Super Bowl logos from now on. The trophy itself will receive a new regional look, depending on where the game is played.

    If this is a mistake in the press release, then it’s a HUGE error.[/quote]

    I think that it’s referring to the trophy in the logo. As in a Superbowl in New York would get a logo with the trophy and the New York skyline, or one in St Louis would have an arch on it… I hope. Actually changing the physical trophy would be stupid beyond belief.

  • Ry Co 40 | February 5, 2010 at 10:53 am |

    [quote comment=”376281″][quote comment=”376269″]we don’t consider powers’ creations to not be DIYs because he has a seamstress help him, do we?[/quote]
    Hell, no. Do you think she really wants to claim those as her own?

    Speaking of Powers…
    [quote comment=”376029″]Ugliest sneaker ever?[/quote]
    Please. You know Matt’s got a couple dozen pairs in his closet that are much worse.[/quote]

    powers DIY = “Drunkenmiller It Yourself”

  • Dirty Davey | February 5, 2010 at 10:57 am |

    Re: the Super Bowl logo and the big fancy forty-fifth anniversary…

    Actually, looking five more years ahead, what about a plan to gold-plate the Lombardi Trophy for Super Bowl “L”? 50th is the golden anniversary, after all… wouldn’t that make sense?

  • RS Rogers | February 5, 2010 at 10:58 am |

    Speaking of widely defined DIY, what is a good source for jacket-sized baseball logo patches?

  • Kerry P | February 5, 2010 at 10:58 am |

    [quote comment=”376291″][quote comment=”376285″][quote comment=”376276″][quote comment=”376275″][quote comment=”376271″]How can the NFL, in the same press conference, announce a standardized Superbowl logo featuring the Lombardi trophy announce that the Lombardi trophy is going change every year?[/quote]

    Because (I quote myself) “They just make up shit and call it real.”

    —Ricko[/quote]
    I think the announcement was not that the Lombardi Trophy is changing. I read it that it’s the Lamar Hunt Trophy (AFC Champs) and the George Halas Trophy (NFC Champs) that are being redesigned to be silver footballs. Not sure that it passes the “good or stupid” test, though.[/quote]
    Then go back and re-read the press release. It clearly states the following: The Vince Lombardi trophy will be a permanent fixture on Super Bowl logos from now on. The trophy itself will receive a new regional look, depending on where the game is played.

    If this is a mistake in the press release, then it’s a HUGE error.[/quote]

    I think that it’s referring to the trophy in the logo.

    As in a Superbowl in New York would get a logo with the trophy and the New York skyline, or one in St Louis would have an arch on it… I hope. Actually changing the physical trophy would be stupid beyond belief.[/quote]
    I’m hoping this is what they meant by that. Either way, it’s a poorly worded statement.

  • chance michaels | February 5, 2010 at 11:03 am |

    [quote comment=”376282″]There are actually Super Bowl police badges made up each year for the Police Departments in the host cities that incorporate the SB logo with the police badge.

    An organization that I belong to in New Orleans is going to receive a SB 44 police badge badge and raffle it off soon. If I get a picture I will post it.[/quote]

    I’ve seen a New Orleans PD badge for Super Bowl XXXI come up for auction – still regret letting that one get away.

  • Hott Rodd | February 5, 2010 at 11:04 am |

    [quote comment=”376291″][quote comment=”376285″][quote comment=”376276″][quote comment=”376275″][quote comment=”376271″]How can the NFL, in the same press conference, announce a standardized Superbowl logo featuring the Lombardi trophy announce that the Lombardi trophy is going change every year?[/quote]

    Because (I quote myself) “They just make up shit and call it real.”

    —Ricko[/quote]
    I think the announcement was not that the Lombardi Trophy is changing. I read it that it’s the Lamar Hunt Trophy (AFC Champs) and the George Halas Trophy (NFC Champs) that are being redesigned to be silver footballs. Not sure that it passes the “good or stupid” test, though.[/quote]
    Then go back and re-read the press release. It clearly states the following: The Vince Lombardi trophy will be a permanent fixture on Super Bowl logos from now on. The trophy itself will receive a new regional look, depending on where the game is played.

    If this is a mistake in the press release, then it’s a HUGE error.[/quote]

    I think that it’s referring to the trophy in the logo.

    As in a Superbowl in New York would get a logo with the trophy and the New York skyline, or one in St Louis would have an arch on it… I hope. Actually changing the physical trophy would be stupid beyond belief.[/quote]

    Ever since this press release came out, I have read it as a typo.

    If you take this sentence “The trophy itself will receive a new regional look, depending on where the game is played.” and replace the word ‘trophy’ with ‘logo’ you get a sentence that actually makes much more sense.

    “The logo itself will receive a new regional look, depending on where the game is played.”

  • Maks | February 5, 2010 at 11:05 am |

    the Super Bowl 45 definitely looks like it has been Jerry Jones-ed. after all, its at HIS stadium and i’m sure he spend extra $ to MAKE SURE the logo matches HIS personality. a big EFF-you to everyone. and we mustn’t forget….things must be bigger in Texas.

  • mmwatkin | February 5, 2010 at 11:06 am |

    THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!

    Michigan State AD Mark Hollis announced today that MSU will keep their current logo rather than switch to the new logo that was leaked.

    http://www.statenews...

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=”376288″]I thought last year’s Super Bowl was at South Florida – http://www.replaypho...

    So next year’s game is going to be here? – http://www.unt.edu/s...

    I repeat. “South Florida” is a common term used by people who live in that area to refer to Florida from, generally speaking, Palm Beach and points south.

    Weather guys call it that. Newscasters call it that. Retailers and Realtors call it that. It is, truly, an accepted part of the vernacular. It has been in use far longer than USF has had national prominence.

    The golf course in the community where I spent a few winters billed itself as rated “Among the Top 40 Courses in South Florida.” And everyone knew what that meant.

    So, among all the loopy things the NFL is doing, calling the locations “South Florida” is NOT one of them.

    —Ricko

  • chance michaels | February 5, 2010 at 11:07 am |

    [quote comment=”376298″]the Super Bowl 45 definitely looks like it has been Jerry Jones-ed. after all, its at HIS stadium and i’m sure he spend extra $ to MAKE SURE the logo matches HIS personality. a big EFF-you to everyone. and we mustn’t forget….things must be bigger in Texas.[/quote]
    Yeah, it looks like he personally designed it, only he didn’t. The NFL did, and according to reports didn’t show it to anyone with the Cowboys until after the design was finalized.

  • chance michaels | February 5, 2010 at 11:09 am |

    Paul, as the only one here with an actual prayer of reaching someone in the Commissioner’s office (come on, man – use that ESPN pull!), any chance you could settle this typo/not typo thing for us?

    Question: is the Lombardi Trophy itself changing from Super Bowl to Super Bowl, or did the press release mean to refer to the logo, which features a representation of the trophy?

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 11:10 am |

    [quote comment=”376299″]THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!

    Michigan State AD Mark Hollis announced today that MSU will keep their current logo rather than switch to the new logo that was leaked.

    http://www.statenews...

    That really is great. I understand the new one was more like THE 300 but the facemask part, if separated from the other elements, just looked like a piece from a jigsaw puzzle.

    It was, at best, a “low value” change. Spent a lot of money for something that was arguably no better than where they started.

    Nike’s like the NFL that way, except “They just make shit up and call it GOOD.”

    —Ricko

  • river steve | February 5, 2010 at 11:10 am |

    seriously nba…
    the act of getting the ball from a players hand into the goal is called SHOOTING! how much more “gun related” can you get?

  • chance michaels | February 5, 2010 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment=”376274″]SAINTS, SAINTS & MORE SAINTS ….

    Logged on too late night to get into the Saints discussion, but I agree that the 1960’s Saints Old Gold is Heavenly – and much better than what they wear today.

    I say they could keep the current uni template, but simply use Old Gold instead of Vegas Gold, and use the Black-White-Black stripe on the Pants. On White jerseys, use Old Gold numerals trimmed in double-thick Black trim, as in the 1960’s. Get rid of the neck/collar colors, they are a distraction and simply in the way.

    And let the Black Leotards be donated to whatever Junior College will take them.
    [/quote]

    Brother, you must have read my mind….

  • JTH | February 5, 2010 at 11:22 am |

    [quote comment=”376300″][quote comment=”376288″]I thought last year’s Super Bowl was at South Florida – http://www.replaypho...

    So next year’s game is going to be here? – http://www.unt.edu/s...

    I repeat. “South Florida” is a common term used by people who live in that area to refer to Florida from, generally speaking, Palm Beach and points south.

    Weather guys call it that. Newscasters call it that. Retailers and Realtors call it that. It is, truly, an accepted part of the vernacular. It has been in use far longer than USF has had national prominence.

    The golf course in the community where I spent a few winters billed itself as rated “Among the Top 40 Courses in South Florida.” And everyone knew what that meant.

    So, among all the loopy things the NFL is doing, calling the locations “South Florida” is NOT one of them.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    “North Texas” on the other hand — isn’t “Metroplex” the generic term that’s much more commonly associated with the Dallas-Fort Worth area?

  • Rob | February 5, 2010 at 11:24 am |

    WOW! thanks for mentioning the bowling shirt mention!! I just figured you would get a kick out of it Paul as it is from Brooklyn, I totally did not expect to see it pop up here!! Thanks so much again!!

    Rob

  • Giancarlo | February 5, 2010 at 11:24 am |

    [quote comment=”376300″][
    So, among all the loopy things the NFL is doing, calling the locations “South Florida” is NOT one of them.
    —Ricko[/quote]
    Ricko’s right. The loopy thing here is a university in Tampa calling itself “South Florida.” To me, South Florida always meant East Coast – the whole urbanized stretch from Palm Beach to Miami. And looking at the Super Bowl name from the other side, it would be kind of strange to say it’s in Miami when it’s really several communities away.

  • Justin | February 5, 2010 at 11:26 am |

    Last weekend for work, I attended Twinsfest in Minneapolis. There was a JustinMorneau.com table and they were selling Morneau hockey jerseys.
    http://www.flickr.co...

    Also, the Twins are celebrating 20 years at their spring training location. And it looks like they have a logo for the anniv.
    http://www.flickr.co...

  • Hott Rodd | February 5, 2010 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment=”376306″][quote comment=”376300″][quote comment=”376288″]I thought last year’s Super Bowl was at South Florida – http://www.replaypho...

    So next year’s game is going to be here? – http://www.unt.edu/s...

    I repeat. “South Florida” is a common term used by people who live in that area to refer to Florida from, generally speaking, Palm Beach and points south.

    Weather guys call it that. Newscasters call it that. Retailers and Realtors call it that. It is, truly, an accepted part of the vernacular. It has been in use far longer than USF has had national prominence.

    The golf course in the community where I spent a few winters billed itself as rated “Among the Top 40 Courses in South Florida.” And everyone knew what that meant.

    So, among all the loopy things the NFL is doing, calling the locations “South Florida” is NOT one of them.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    “North Texas” on the other hand — isn’t “Metroplex” the generic term that’s much more commonly associated with the Dallas-Fort Worth area?[/quote]

    Yup

  • pdb | February 5, 2010 at 11:30 am |

    Just so you know, the exact same Nike ad from last week’s Sports Illustrated featuring LeBron and Kobe ran in this week’s SI, and this week the gun language was removed from Kobe’s side of the ad.

  • Jason Gomez | February 5, 2010 at 11:39 am |

    Ok, double whammy for Reebok….#1 ugliest shoe ever in the creation of shoes #2 Sweatshops…hmmmm and everyone thought it was just nike.

  • Hott Rodd | February 5, 2010 at 11:43 am |

    [quote comment=”376311″]Just so you know, the exact same Nike ad from last week’s Sports Illustrated featuring LeBron and Kobe ran in this week’s SI, and this week the gun language was removed from Kobe’s side of the ad.[/quote]

    pretty sure that ad was pointed out here last week

  • EricRomain | February 5, 2010 at 11:44 am |

    [quote comment=”376299″]THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!

    Michigan State AD Mark Hollis announced today that MSU will keep their current logo rather than switch to the new logo that was leaked.

    http://www.statenews...

    Great news, but they’re not out of the woods yet. Sounds like they still have rebranding announcements planned for april.

  • LI Phil | February 5, 2010 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment=”376312″] Sweatshops…hmmmm and everyone thought it was just nike.[/quote]

    really?

  • Hott Rodd | February 5, 2010 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”376315″][quote comment=”376312″] Sweatshops…hmmmm and everyone thought it was just nike.[/quote]

    really?[/quote]

    Well I always thought is was just RyCo and Powers, but that’s just me

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”376308″][quote comment=”376300″][
    So, among all the loopy things the NFL is doing, calling the locations “South Florida” is NOT one of them.
    —Ricko[/quote]
    Ricko’s right. The loopy thing here is a university in Tampa calling itself “South Florida.” To me, South Florida always meant East Coast – the whole urbanized stretch from Palm Beach to Miami. And looking at the Super Bowl name from the other side, it would be kind of strange to say it’s in Miami when it’s really several communities away.[/quote]

    Yeah, I imagine that, from a marketing standpoint, there’s a pretty good argument to be made that the Marlins might have been better served (in terms of “market reach”) by going to “South Florida Marlins” rather than “Miami Marlins”.

    Not saying I’d be for it, just saying it’s a legitimate issue to ponder, business-wise.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 12:06 pm |

    I mean the Marlins might have done better to say they think of themselves as representing Jupiter and Boynton Beach and Fort Lauderdale, not just Miami (shoot, their spring training’s in Jupiter, right?)

    No one living in Fort Lauderdale says they live in Miami. Yet the Marlins play closer to Fort Lauderdale than they do to Miami proper.

    —Ricko

  • Chris | February 5, 2010 at 12:28 pm |

    Did you really just say the Pro Combat marketing has gotten out of hand because Kobe said, gasp…of all things, I don’t leave anything in the chamber. Wow, I guess all it takes is Nike for you to join the ultra sensitive PC Police.

  • Ry Co 40 | February 5, 2010 at 12:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”376316″][quote comment=”376315″][quote comment=”376312″] Sweatshops…hmmmm and everyone thought it was just nike.[/quote]

    really?[/quote]

    Well I always thought is was just RyCo and Powers, but that’s just me[/quote]

    my sweatshop:
    http://farm4.static....

  • Matt | February 5, 2010 at 12:42 pm |

    Ray Whitney Follow-up!

    Hey everybody, I’m Matt who submitted the Whitney stuff yesterday, its something that has bothered me this season especially.

    I’ve found some pics from the ’07 Season (Hurricanes 10th anniversary in Raleigh, see the patch) and all of them seem to show Ray wearing his NHL logo in the collar. It must be something he started doing in the ’08 season…

    http://www.cbc.ca/gf...

    http://www.indyweekb...

  • JTH | February 5, 2010 at 12:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”376318″]I mean the Marlins might have done better to say they think of themselves as representing Jupiter and Boynton Beach and Fort Lauderdale, not just Miami (shoot, their spring training’s in Jupiter, right?)

    No one living in Fort Lauderdale says they live in Miami. Yet the Marlins play closer to Fort Lauderdale than they do to Miami proper.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Kinda funny how some people identify where they live. I have friends who live in places that are much closer to Rockford or Kenosha or Joliet than they are to Chicago, yet if they’re out of town and someone asks where they live, it’s always “Chicago.” Nobody says “Illinois” or even “Chicagoland” for that matter.

    Kinda drives me nuts sometimes. I was in Florida a couple months ago and talking to some people. A guy asked me where I live, I told him Chicago. He replies “Us, too.” I ask him which part. “Carol Stream.” At this point I’m thinking to myself “I’ve already identified myself as living in the same metropolitan area that you do. If you live in Carol Stream, why didn’t you just say that in the first place? I know where Carol Stream is.”

    I also know people on the Indiana side of the state line who could literally walk or take a short bike ride to Chicago from their houses and they will always say they’re from “Northwestern Indiana” or “The Region” depending on who’s asking.

    So, uh, yeah… uniforms! DIY! Super Bowl logos! Nike and Reebok: boooo!

  • Matt | February 5, 2010 at 12:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”376321″]Ray Whitney Follow-up!

    Hey everybody, I’m Matt who submitted the Whitney stuff yesterday, its something that has bothered me this season especially.

    I’ve found some pics from the ’07 Season (Hurricanes 10th anniversary in Raleigh, see the patch) and all of them seem to show Ray wearing his NHL logo in the collar. It must be something he started doing in the ’08 season…

    http://www.cbc.ca/gf...

    http://www.indyweekb...

    Oh! and it will be interesting to see if/when Whitney goes out as a Trade/Rental for the rest of the season, if he continues to remove a similar area/NHL logo of his jersey on whatever team he ends up on…

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”376319″]Did you really just say the Pro Combat marketing has gotten out of hand because Kobe said, gasp…of all things, I don’t leave anything in the chamber. Wow, I guess all it takes is Nike for you to join the ultra sensitive PC Police.[/quote]

    Well, it’s more about what’s common than it has to do with Nike. Most times the line would have been “not leaving anything in the tank” (or something)

    The choice of “chamber” does say something, however slight, about the incursion of gun culture into things. It’s “fashionable” to use such analogies, I guess.

    Now if we could also stop all the “warrior” talk.
    Yes, you saw THE 300. And you play Halo. I’m happy for you.
    Could we just say, “He’s a gutty sumbitch” instead of covering him in overstated bullshit glory?

    “Everything I do is of world consequence and everyone pays attention to my self-sacrificing wonderfulness…but I’m sure you’ve noticed that already.”

    —Ricko

  • Hott Rodd | February 5, 2010 at 12:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”376319″]

    Yes, you saw THE 300.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Never saw it. Was it any good?

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”376325″][quote comment=”376319″]

    Yes, you saw THE 300.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Never saw it. Was it any good?[/quote]

    Over rated and surreal. Like, well, a video game.

  • Bernard | February 5, 2010 at 12:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”376320″][quote comment=”376316″][quote comment=”376315″][quote comment=”376312″] Sweatshops…hmmmm and everyone thought it was just nike.[/quote]

    really?[/quote]

    Well I always thought is was just RyCo and Powers, but that’s just me[/quote]

    my sweatshop:
    http://farm4.static....

    What’s the science experiment you have going in that bowl?

  • Ry Co 40 | February 5, 2010 at 1:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”376327″][quote comment=”376320″][quote comment=”376316″][quote comment=”376315″][quote comment=”376312″] Sweatshops…hmmmm and everyone thought it was just nike.[/quote]

    really?[/quote]

    Well I always thought is was just RyCo and Powers, but that’s just me[/quote]

    my sweatshop:
    http://farm4.static....

    What’s the science experiment you have going in that bowl?[/quote]

    something with a lot of hot sauce, i can assure you! that pic was in the ticker last year…

  • Ry Co 40 | February 5, 2010 at 1:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”376324″][quote comment=”376319″]Did you really just say the Pro Combat marketing has gotten out of hand because Kobe said, gasp…of all things, I don’t leave anything in the chamber. Wow, I guess all it takes is Nike for you to join the ultra sensitive PC Police.[/quote]

    Well, it’s more about what’s common than it has to do with Nike. Most times the line would have been “not leaving anything in the tank” (or something)

    The choice of “chamber” does say something, however slight, about the incursion of gun culture into things. It’s “fashionable” to use such analogies, I guess.

    Now if we could also stop all the “warrior” talk.
    Yes, you saw THE 300. And you play Halo. I’m happy for you.
    Could we just say, “He’s a gutty sumbitch” instead of covering him in overstated bullshit glory?

    “Everything I do is of world consequence and everyone pays attention to my self-sacrificing wonderfulness…but I’m sure you’ve noticed that already.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    my biggest pet peeve is when jocks say “we’re goin’ to war” and “we shocked the world”

    no ya aren’t, no ya didn’t!

  • RockabillyMike | February 5, 2010 at 1:05 pm |

    Hey everyone,

    I recently stumbled upon this picture

    http://4.bp.blogspot...

    I have never seen that Cubs uni before, has anyone else?

    -Mike

  • LI Phil | February 5, 2010 at 1:05 pm |

    appropos of nothing…

    just got my second ticket in a week — this one for ‘overstaying my welcome'(parking in a 2 hour zone); first one was for “parking over the lines” (which was true, but when i came into work, snow covered up all the lines and the brownies nailed the entire row…fuckers)

    on a good note, i got a compliment on my friday ‘rups (oaks ‘holiday’ socks — slightly more forest than kelly)

    anyway, back to your regularly scheduled programming

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 1:07 pm |

    Caught a bit of the “Cavs” last night in royal and orange (whoa, Knick flashbacks, sorta).

    Anyway, and this is serious question, we know Casey Martin selects Oregon’s football unis, who picks game-wear from among the Cavaliers’ closetful of uni sets?

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | February 5, 2010 at 1:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”376330″]Hey everyone,

    I recently stumbled upon this picture

    http://4.bp.blogspot...

    I have never seen that Cubs uni before, has anyone else?

    -Mike[/quote]

    ah yes…the 1994 “cuba” unis

    im sure jimbo can tell you of his love for those beauties

  • leon | February 5, 2010 at 1:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”376327″][quote comment=”376320″][quote comment=”376316″][quote comment=”376315″][quote comment=”376312″] Sweatshops…hmmmm and everyone thought it was just nike.[/quote]

    really?[/quote]

    Well I always thought is was just RyCo and Powers, but that’s just me[/quote]

    my sweatshop:
    http://farm4.static....

    What’s the science experiment you have going in that bowl?[/quote]
    Nice still life:
    Plenty of Pittsburgh references
    Sharpies
    U.S. 1 cent piece for drawing circles
    One empty mug for drawing large circles/consuming lager
    3 pr shears
    architectural straight edge
    “Cool Hand Luke” dvd on the shelf
    (“No one can eat 50 eggs”)
    …and did you join Costco?

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 1:11 pm |

    LI Phil said…

    “on a good note, i got a compliment on my friday ‘rups (oaks ‘holiday’ socks — slightly more forest than kelly)”

    From the meter maid who gave you the parking ticket?
    If so, why were you showing her your legs?

  • aflfan | February 5, 2010 at 1:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”376332″]Caught a bit of the “Cavs” last night in royal and orange (whoa, Knick flashbacks, sorta).

    Anyway, and this is serious question, we know Casey Martin selects Oregon’s football unis, who picks game-wear from among the Cavaliers’ closetful of uni sets?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    A blind wombat?

  • JimWa | February 5, 2010 at 1:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”376333″][quote comment=”376330″]Hey everyone,

    I recently stumbled upon this picture

    http://4.bp.blogspot...

    I have never seen that Cubs uni before, has anyone else?

    -Mike[/quote]

    ah yes…the 1994 “cuba” unis

    im sure jimbo can tell you of his love for those beauties[/quote]

    Not sure which Jimbo you’re referring to, but …

    Thanks … I’d just erased the image from my memory. Here goes another 16 years of drinking.

  • pflava | February 5, 2010 at 1:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”376306″][quote comment=”376300″][quote comment=”376288″]I thought last year’s Super Bowl was at South Florida – http://www.replaypho...

    So next year’s game is going to be here? – http://www.unt.edu/s...

    I repeat. “South Florida” is a common term used by people who live in that area to refer to Florida from, generally speaking, Palm Beach and points south.

    Weather guys call it that. Newscasters call it that. Retailers and Realtors call it that. It is, truly, an accepted part of the vernacular. It has been in use far longer than USF has had national prominence.

    The golf course in the community where I spent a few winters billed itself as rated “Among the Top 40 Courses in South Florida.” And everyone knew what that meant.

    So, among all the loopy things the NFL is doing, calling the locations “South Florida” is NOT one of them.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    “North Texas” on the other hand — isn’t “Metroplex” the generic term that’s much more commonly associated with the Dallas-Fort Worth area?[/quote]

    Actually, the term “North Texas” is just as commonly used to describe the DFW area as “the Metroplex”. In fact, most of the local news refers to the area as “North Texas”. So the Super Bowl name is just as appropriate as South Florida.

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 1:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”376338″][quote comment=”376306″][quote comment=”376300″][quote comment=”376288″]I thought last year’s Super Bowl was at South Florida – http://www.replaypho...

    So next year’s game is going to be here? – http://www.unt.edu/s...

    I repeat. “South Florida” is a common term used by people who live in that area to refer to Florida from, generally speaking, Palm Beach and points south.

    Weather guys call it that. Newscasters call it that. Retailers and Realtors call it that. It is, truly, an accepted part of the vernacular. It has been in use far longer than USF has had national prominence.

    The golf course in the community where I spent a few winters billed itself as rated “Among the Top 40 Courses in South Florida.” And everyone knew what that meant.

    So, among all the loopy things the NFL is doing, calling the locations “South Florida” is NOT one of them.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    “North Texas” on the other hand — isn’t “Metroplex” the generic term that’s much more commonly associated with the Dallas-Fort Worth area?[/quote]

    Actually, the term “North Texas” is just as commonly used to describe the DFW area as “the Metroplex”. In fact, most of the local news refers to the area as “North Texas”. So the Super Bowl name is just as appropriate as South Florida.[/quote]

    To wit, the North Dallas Bulls, christened long, long and about which no one ever said, “That’s SO made up.”

    —Ricko

  • Gus Money | February 5, 2010 at 1:30 pm |

    Paul,

    If “…everything is relative.” as you state, then why does the same not hold true for the price of Third World Labor that you deride later on in today’s piece? “You probably knew this already, but it’s always good to be reminded: That Reebok jersey you’re wearing was probably sewn together by woefully underpaid Third World labor”

    Are those workers not paid more and work in better conditions than that of their Third World counterparts in the relative scope of things?

    All seems relative to me.

    Or “everything is relative” only in terms of the First World and in relation to D.I.Y. projects?

    -G$

  • JTH | February 5, 2010 at 1:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”376333″][quote comment=”376330″]Hey everyone,

    I recently stumbled upon this picture

    http://4.bp.blogspot...

    I have never seen that Cubs uni before, has anyone else?

    -Mike[/quote]

    ah yes…the 1994 “cuba” unis

    im sure jimbo can tell you of his love for those beauties[/quote]
    Oh, and what’s not to love?

    Really though, the ironic thing about those unis is that they’re usually derided for the “Cuba” script on the jersey but that might be one of its stronger elements considering that it also featured the worst sleeve patch in team history and it coincided with the introduction of the red-brimmed road cap.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I wonder if Trachsel has delivered that pitch yet.

  • JimV19 | February 5, 2010 at 1:35 pm |

    Today’s topic reminds me of Carl Sagan, the astronomer who hosted the Cosmos TV series. The one line I remember from that show was, “If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.” Always thought that was a profound and humbling statement.

    So no one on earth can truly make a DIY project. However, most of us get the idea behind the term and have no problem using it. Even though I came up with the “Do It Ourselves” term, I consider Terence’s work a DIY. Good job.

  • JTH | February 5, 2010 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”376339″][quote comment=”376338″][quote comment=”376306″][quote comment=”376300″][quote comment=”376288″]I thought last year’s Super Bowl was at South Florida – http://www.replaypho...

    So next year’s game is going to be here? – http://www.unt.edu/s...

    I repeat. “South Florida” is a common term used by people who live in that area to refer to Florida from, generally speaking, Palm Beach and points south.

    Weather guys call it that. Newscasters call it that. Retailers and Realtors call it that. It is, truly, an accepted part of the vernacular. It has been in use far longer than USF has had national prominence.

    The golf course in the community where I spent a few winters billed itself as rated “Among the Top 40 Courses in South Florida.” And everyone knew what that meant.

    So, among all the loopy things the NFL is doing, calling the locations “South Florida” is NOT one of them.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    “North Texas” on the other hand — isn’t “Metroplex” the generic term that’s much more commonly associated with the Dallas-Fort Worth area?[/quote]

    Actually, the term “North Texas” is just as commonly used to describe the DFW area as “the Metroplex”. In fact, most of the local news refers to the area as “North Texas”. So the Super Bowl name is just as appropriate as South Florida.[/quote]

    To wit, the North Dallas Bulls, christened long, long and about which no one ever said, “That’s SO made up.”

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Sure, but that was the North Dallas Bulls, not the North Texas Bulls.

    Anyway, good to know about North Texas vs. Metroplex. Maybe Metroplex is just more commonly used outside of the area, because I’ve honestly never heard North Texas used as a reference until the recent Super Bowl 45 talk.

  • aflfan | February 5, 2010 at 1:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”376342″]Today’s topic reminds me of Carl Sagan, the astronomer who hosted the Cosmos TV series. The one line I remember from that show was, “If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.” Always thought that was a profound and humbling statement.

    So no one on earth can truly make a DIY project. However, most of us get the idea behind the term and have no problem using it. Even though I came up with the “Do It Ourselves” term, I consider Terence’s work a DIY. Good job.[/quote]

    Yes, a Carl Sagan reference. I have lots of his books on my bookshelf.

  • JimWa | February 5, 2010 at 1:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”376344″][quote comment=”376342″]Today’s topic reminds me of Carl Sagan, the astronomer who hosted the Cosmos TV series. The one line I remember from that show was, “If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.” Always thought that was a profound and humbling statement.

    So no one on earth can truly make a DIY project. However, most of us get the idea behind the term and have no problem using it. Even though I came up with the “Do It Ourselves” term, I consider Terence’s work a DIY. Good job.[/quote]

    Yes, a Carl Sagan reference. I have lots of his books on my bookshelf.[/quote]

    What’s a bookshelf?

  • JTH | February 5, 2010 at 1:43 pm |

    So, uh, speaking of knockoff NFL jerseys…

    I just saw someone in our cafeteria wearing a navy blue Peyton Manning “Colts” jersey with Rams-style rounded numbers.

    I could tell it was a knockoff because it had full UCLA stripes.

  • LI Phil | February 5, 2010 at 1:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”376337″]
    Not sure which Jimbo you’re referring to, but …

    Thanks … I’d just erased the image from my memory. Here goes another 16 years of drinking.[/quote]

    this jimbo

  • M.Princip | February 5, 2010 at 1:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”376329″][quote comment=”376324″][quote comment=”376319″]Did you really just say the Pro Combat marketing has gotten out of hand because Kobe said, gasp…of all things, I don’t leave anything in the chamber. Wow, I guess all it takes is Nike for you to join the ultra sensitive PC Police.[/quote]

    Well, it’s more about what’s common than it has to do with Nike. Most times the line would have been “not leaving anything in the tank” (or something)

    The choice of “chamber” does say something, however slight, about the incursion of gun culture into things. It’s “fashionable” to use such analogies, I guess.

    Now if we could also stop all the “warrior” talk.
    Yes, you saw THE 300. And you play Halo. I’m happy for you.
    Could we just say, “He’s a gutty sumbitch” instead of covering him in overstated bullshit glory?

    “Everything I do is of world consequence and everyone pays attention to my self-sacrificing wonderfulness…but I’m sure you’ve noticed that already.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    my biggest pet peeve is when jocks say “we’re goin’ to war” and “we shocked the world”

    no ya aren’t, no ya didn’t![/quote]

    Nice! *lol*

  • M.Princip | February 5, 2010 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”376347″][quote comment=”376337″]
    Not sure which Jimbo you’re referring to, but …

    Thanks … I’d just erased the image from my memory. Here goes another 16 years of drinking.[/quote]

    this jimbo[/quote]

    Holy crap, the picture loaded about half way and I fully expected him to be holding a chainsaw, alas only a snow blower.

  • KT | February 5, 2010 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”376339″]To wit, the North Dallas Bulls, christened long, long and about which no one ever said, “That’s SO made up.”[/quote]

    I’m sure you recall that in the novel(s), the team was just “Dallas” and they never used Bulls or any other nickname (though in the first book, they played the Fran Tarkenton-led Giants in New York). Gent wrote his own screenplay, but I don’t know whose idea it was to give the team an actual name and logo.

    Speaking of Dallas, this is a craptacular logo.

  • Hott Rodd | February 5, 2010 at 1:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”376345″][quote comment=”376344″][quote comment=”376342″]Today’s topic reminds me of Carl Sagan, the astronomer who hosted the Cosmos TV series. The one line I remember from that show was, “If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.” Always thought that was a profound and humbling statement.

    So no one on earth can truly make a DIY project. However, most of us get the idea behind the term and have no problem using it. Even though I came up with the “Do It Ourselves” term, I consider Terence’s work a DIY. Good job.[/quote]

    Yes, a Carl Sagan reference. I have lots of his books on my bookshelf.[/quote]

    What’s a bookshelf?[/quote]

    It’s that thing you tore out of the wall so you could mount your 60″ plasma

  • M.Princip | February 5, 2010 at 1:50 pm |

    I have one thing to say, based off of Paul’s fantastic espn column yesterday, bring back the double horseshoe blue Colts helmet. However, make sure it’s a dark navy blue.

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”376352″]I have one thing to say, based off of Paul’s fantastic espn column yesterday, bring back the double horseshoe blue Colts helmet. However, make sure it’s a dark navy blue.[/quote]

    I believe the original was.
    Navy blue, that is.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | February 5, 2010 at 1:55 pm |

    This is what I get for recycling…

    I used to have those NFL ginger ale cans the Fleer Sticker Project featured:
    http://1.bp.blogspot...

    My cousin started collecting them. Then he gave them to us, and we tried unsuccessfully to complete the set. Those aren’t the wimpy aluminum cans of today, either. You had to be a real beast to crush those in your hand.

  • JTH | February 5, 2010 at 1:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”376347″][quote comment=”376337″]
    Not sure which Jimbo you’re referring to, but …

    Thanks … I’d just erased the image from my memory. Here goes another 16 years of drinking.[/quote]

    this jimbo[/quote]
    Yeah, the one whose reply about those unis got put on the naughty list for some reason.

  • aflfan | February 5, 2010 at 1:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”376350″][quote comment=”376339″]To wit, the North Dallas Bulls, christened long, long and about which no one ever said, “That’s SO made up.”[/quote]

    I’m sure you recall that in the novel(s), the team was just “Dallas” and they never used Bulls or any other nickname (though in the first book, they played the Fran Tarkenton-led Giants in New York). Gent wrote his own screenplay, but I don’t know whose idea it was to give the team an actual name and logo.

    Speaking of Dallas, this is a craptacular logo.[/quote]

    They finally got a nickname. I was hoping they would bring back the Texans (who I saw play the Detroit Drive in Arena Bowl IV). They had sweet helmets.

    http://www.nationalc...

  • JTH | February 5, 2010 at 2:02 pm |

    OK, apparently I did something to offend the spam filter.

    Anyway, my take on those Cubs unis. They did suck, but I think it’s a bit funny that they’re usually ripped for the “Cuba” script on the jersey but that there were worse things going on.

    It also had a sleeve patch with the worst secondary logo in team history and it was the introduction of the red-brimmed road cap.

  • JTH | February 5, 2010 at 2:03 pm |

    The sleeve patch I’m referring to.

  • Bernard | February 5, 2010 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”376342″]Today’s topic reminds me of Carl Sagan, the astronomer who hosted the Cosmos TV series. The one line I remember from that show was, “If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.” Always thought that was a profound and humbling statement.

    So no one on earth can truly make a DIY project. However, most of us get the idea behind the term and have no problem using it. Even though I came up with the “Do It Ourselves” term, I consider Terence’s work a DIY. Good job.[/quote]

    Hell yeah, Jim!

    I have no idea why I remember this, but after that line, Sagan had a bite of pie, and said “Crumbly, but good.” I remember laughing my balls off at the whole sequence in my high school astronomy class…

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”376350″][quote comment=”376339″]To wit, the North Dallas Bulls, christened long, long and about which no one ever said, “That’s SO made up.”[/quote]

    I’m sure you recall that in the novel(s), the team was just “Dallas” and they never used Bulls or any other nickname (though in the first book, they played the Fran Tarkenton-led Giants in New York). Gent wrote his own screenplay, but I don’t know whose idea it was to give the team an actual name and logo.

    Speaking of Dallas, this is a craptacular logo.[/quote]

    Vigilantes were, like, ghosts? Or pirates?

    Speaking of over rated, surreal movies…
    Let’s hear it for Nicolas Cage in THE GHOST RIDER.
    (to which that logo harks far too much).

    —Ricko

  • Joe R | February 5, 2010 at 2:06 pm |

    Whats the address for the Jaguars box drawing? My computer won’t open the link.

  • JTH | February 5, 2010 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”376360″]Speaking of over rated, surreal movies…
    Let’s hear it for Nicolas Cage in THE GHOST RIDER.
    (to which that logo harks far too much).

    —Ricko[/quote]
    26% on the Tomatometer is overrated? Wow, that movie must have reeeeeeeeally sucked.

  • JimV19 | February 5, 2010 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”376356″][quote comment=”376350″][quote comment=”376339″]To wit, the North Dallas Bulls, christened long, long and about which no one ever said, “That’s SO made up.”[/quote]

    I’m sure you recall that in the novel(s), the team was just “Dallas” and they never used Bulls or any other nickname (though in the first book, they played the Fran Tarkenton-led Giants in New York). Gent wrote his own screenplay, but I don’t know whose idea it was to give the team an actual name and logo.

    Speaking of Dallas, this is a craptacular logo.[/quote]

    They finally got a nickname. I was hoping they would bring back the Texans (who I saw play the Detroit Drive in Arena Bowl IV). They had sweet helmets.

    http://www.nationalc...

    You mean this:
    http://www.electrica...

  • aflfan | February 5, 2010 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”376363″][quote comment=”376356″][quote comment=”376350″][quote comment=”376339″]To wit, the North Dallas Bulls, christened long, long and about which no one ever said, “That’s SO made up.”[/quote]

    I’m sure you recall that in the novel(s), the team was just “Dallas” and they never used Bulls or any other nickname (though in the first book, they played the Fran Tarkenton-led Giants in New York). Gent wrote his own screenplay, but I don’t know whose idea it was to give the team an actual name and logo.

    Speaking of Dallas, this is a craptacular logo.[/quote]

    They finally got a nickname. I was hoping they would bring back the Texans (who I saw play the Detroit Drive in Arena Bowl IV). They had sweet helmets.

    http://www.nationalc...

    You mean this:
    http://www.electrica...

    We both failed.

  • JimV19 | February 5, 2010 at 2:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”376363″][quote comment=”376356″][quote comment=”376350″][quote comment=”376339″]To wit, the North Dallas Bulls, christened long, long and about which no one ever said, “That’s SO made up.”[/quote]

    I’m sure you recall that in the novel(s), the team was just “Dallas” and they never used Bulls or any other nickname (though in the first book, they played the Fran Tarkenton-led Giants in New York). Gent wrote his own screenplay, but I don’t know whose idea it was to give the team an actual name and logo.

    Speaking of Dallas, this is a craptacular logo.[/quote]

    They finally got a nickname. I was hoping they would bring back the Texans (who I saw play the Detroit Drive in Arena Bowl IV). They had sweet helmets.

    http://www.nationalc...

    You mean this:
    http://www.electrica...

    Okay, trust us – they looked nice. Red helmet with the state of Texas in white and a Texas flag whipping in the wind in front of the state. To channel Carl Sagan, it was billions and billions of times nicer than that Vigilantes logo.

  • JTH | February 5, 2010 at 2:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”376365″]To channel Carl Sagan, it was billions and billions of times nicer than that Vigilantes logo.[/quote]
    And therefore, unacceptable as an AF1 logo.

  • Dennis Rodman | February 5, 2010 at 2:14 pm |

    The Pittsburgh Penguins’ Olympians are shown here showing off their National Team uniforms.
    http://penguins.nhl....|PIT|home

  • KT | February 5, 2010 at 2:14 pm |

    “Texans” probably was fraught with all sorts of issues, given the NFL team in the same state.

    Also, another name/logo unveiling today, the new Division II pro soccer team in Minnesota.

    http://www.insidemns...

    NSC is the National Sports Center in Blaine, which is running the team that will play at its facility. Stars – I’m sure you get the reference.

    This team replaces the Minnesota Thunder, which (sadly) went away after having been around since 1990.

  • LI Phil | February 5, 2010 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”376357″]OK, apparently I did something to offend the spam filter.
    [/quote]

    indeed…not sure why that is

    four comments in the space it took me to eat lunch in there…all free as birds now

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 2:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”376349″][quote comment=”376347″][quote comment=”376337″]
    Not sure which Jimbo you’re referring to, but …

    Thanks … I’d just erased the image from my memory. Here goes another 16 years of drinking.[/quote]

    this jimbo[/quote]

    Holy crap, the picture loaded about half way and I fully expected him to be holding a chainsaw, alas only a snow blower.[/quote]

    That doesn’t mean he’s not still hangin’ in there for the lead in TEXAS CHAINSAW VASECTOMY, though.

    —Ricko

  • KT | February 5, 2010 at 2:23 pm |

    Also, you never know which teams still hold onto and how closely they hold onto their “legacy” names (like Dallas Texans, Brooklyn Dodgers, etc.). A Dallas Arena Football team might not have been able to avoid issues not only with the Houston Texans, but with the NFL and Kansas City Chiefs and whatnot. Don’t know. Just a guess.

    But in a related story, one of those knockoff arena leagues, the CIFL, has a team called the Chicago Cardinals, and they say they have permission from the Arizona Cardinals to use the name. Arizona may have figured the new team would be out of business before a lawsuit could wind its way through the courts anyway.

  • aflfan | February 5, 2010 at 2:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”376366″][quote comment=”376365″]To channel Carl Sagan, it was billions and billions of times nicer than that Vigilantes logo.[/quote]
    And therefore, unacceptable as an AF1 logo.[/quote]

    They are one of two AF1 teams that does not have a connection to either an AFL, AF2 team. The Jacksonville Sharks are the other expection. They took the name of the Jacksonville WFL team.

  • aflfan | February 5, 2010 at 2:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”376371″]Also, you never know which teams still hold onto and how closely they hold onto their “legacy” names (like Dallas Texans, Brooklyn Dodgers, etc.). A Dallas Arena Football team might not have been able to avoid issues not only with the Houston Texans, but with the NFL and Kansas City Chiefs and whatnot. Don’t know. Just a guess.

    But in a related story, one of those knockoff arena leagues, the CIFL, has a team called the Chicago Cardinals, and they say they have permission from the Arizona Cardinals to use the name. Arizona may have figured the new team would be out of business before a lawsuit could wind its way through the courts anyway.[/quote]

    If any of the team names were owned by the Arena Football Leauge (I don’t know if they were or not, most likely not) they now belong to AF1 as they brought all the assest and other stuff from the Arena Football League.

  • Bryan Justman | February 5, 2010 at 2:32 pm |

    Hey, I’m no elistist. For me, DIY is making something that you can enjoy using all resources available to you.

    For me, coming up with $120 isn’t an option. Coming up with $5.99 to buy a t-shirt, most definitely is.

    I agree with Terence. If you cannot do something (knit a t-shirt in my case; chain-stitch in his), by all means, have someone else do it for you!

    His jacket looks super sweet no matter how he accomplished it and definitely something he can be proud of.

  • JimV19 | February 5, 2010 at 2:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”376371″]Also, you never know which teams still hold onto and how closely they hold onto their “legacy” names (like Dallas Texans, Brooklyn Dodgers, etc.). A Dallas Arena Football team might not have been able to avoid issues not only with the Houston Texans, but with the NFL and Kansas City Chiefs and whatnot. Don’t know. Just a guess.

    But in a related story, one of those knockoff arena leagues, the CIFL, has a team called the Chicago Cardinals, and they say they have permission from the Arizona Cardinals to use the name. Arizona may have figured the new team would be out of business before a lawsuit could wind its way through the courts anyway.[/quote]

    Someone want to tell them cardinals don’t have teeth?
    http://upload.wikime...

    Guess it could be worse. At least they didn’t give it blood-soaked fangs.

  • LarryB | February 5, 2010 at 2:33 pm |

    Obituary: Bill Dudley / Versatile ‘Bullet’ did it all for the Steelers in ’40s

    http://www.post-gaze...

    http://lh5.ggpht.com...

    http://lh6.ggpht.com...

  • TOG | February 5, 2010 at 2:34 pm |

    Good Luck Scott Turner. Enjoy the rain (I mean ride).

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 2:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”376375″][quote comment=”376371″]Also, you never know which teams still hold onto and how closely they hold onto their “legacy” names (like Dallas Texans, Brooklyn Dodgers, etc.). A Dallas Arena Football team might not have been able to avoid issues not only with the Houston Texans, but with the NFL and Kansas City Chiefs and whatnot. Don’t know. Just a guess.

    But in a related story, one of those knockoff arena leagues, the CIFL, has a team called the Chicago Cardinals, and they say they have permission from the Arizona Cardinals to use the name. Arizona may have figured the new team would be out of business before a lawsuit could wind its way through the courts anyway.[/quote]

    Someone want to tell them cardinals don’t have teeth?
    http://upload.wikime...

    Guess it could be worse. At least they didn’t give it blood-soaked fangs.[/quote]

    Doesn’t Louisville or Ball State (or both) also have a toothed Cardinal?

  • LI Phil | February 5, 2010 at 2:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”376375″]
    Someone want to tell them cardinals don’t have teeth?
    http://upload.wikime...

    Guess it could be worse. At least they didn’t give it blood-soaked fangs.[/quote]

    cardinals don’t have teeth?

    since when?

  • LarryB | February 5, 2010 at 2:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”376374″]Hey, I’m no elistist. For me, DIY is making something that you can enjoy using all resources available to you.

    For me, coming up with $120 isn’t an option. Coming up with $5.99 to buy a t-shirt, most definitely is.

    I agree with Terence. If you cannot do something (knit a t-shirt in my case; chain-stitch in his), by all means, have someone else do it for you!

    His jacket looks super sweet no matter how he accomplished it and definitely something he can be proud of.[/quote]

    Nicely said Bryan.

    Terence, your jacket looks great.

  • LI Phil | February 5, 2010 at 2:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”376379″][quote comment=”376375″]
    Someone want to tell them cardinals don’t have teeth?
    http://upload.wikime...

    Guess it could be worse. At least they didn’t give it blood-soaked fangs.[/quote]

    cardinals don’t have teeth?

    since when?[/quote]

    i mean shit…you coulda fooled me

  • JimV19 | February 5, 2010 at 2:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”376379″][quote comment=”376375″]
    Someone want to tell them cardinals don’t have teeth?
    http://upload.wikime...

    Guess it could be worse. At least they didn’t give it blood-soaked fangs.[/quote]

    cardinals don’t have teeth?

    since when?[/quote]

    Since, like, always:
    http://www.lloydspit...

    And it’s worse when an “institute of higher learning” such as Louisville would miss that fact.

  • pru | February 5, 2010 at 2:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”376357″]OK, apparently I did something to offend the spam filter.

    Anyway, my take on those Cubs unis. They did suck, but I think it’s a bit funny that they’re usually ripped for the “Cuba” script on the jersey but that there were worse things going on.

    It also had a sleeve patch with the worst secondary logo in team history and it was the introduction of the red-brimmed road cap.[/quote]

    I still have one of those in my closet…Wore it to a game with my father (who got it for me for a present)and been hanging there ever since the mid-90’s.

  • aflfan | February 5, 2010 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”376365″][quote comment=”376363″][quote comment=”376356″][quote comment=”376350″][quote comment=”376339″]To wit, the North Dallas Bulls, christened long, long and about which no one ever said, “That’s SO made up.”[/quote]

    I’m sure you recall that in the novel(s), the team was just “Dallas” and they never used Bulls or any other nickname (though in the first book, they played the Fran Tarkenton-led Giants in New York). Gent wrote his own screenplay, but I don’t know whose idea it was to give the team an actual name and logo.

    Speaking of Dallas, this is a craptacular logo.[/quote]

    They finally got a nickname. I was hoping they would bring back the Texans (who I saw play the Detroit Drive in Arena Bowl IV). They had sweet helmets.

    http://www.nationalc...

    You mean this:
    http://www.electrica...

    Okay, trust us – they looked nice. Red helmet with the state of Texas in white and a Texas flag whipping in the wind in front of the state. To channel Carl Sagan, it was billions and billions of times nicer than that Vigilantes logo.[/quote]

    I have the program from Arena Bowl IV around here someplace. I will look for it around here tomorrow. I would do it today but I have a meeting I have to run tonight.

  • Dank | February 5, 2010 at 2:47 pm |

    Not sure if this was covered yesterday or not, but I just read the Super Bowl ESPN article. Does anyone else think it would have been cool if the Saints had stuck with the Copper color as opposed to Gold? Certainly would have been unique! Looked pretty nice with the white jerseys, better than gold IMO.

  • KT | February 5, 2010 at 2:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”376373″]If any of the team names were owned by the Arena Football Leauge (I don’t know if they were or not, most likely not) they now belong to AF1 as they brought all the assest and other stuff from the Arena Football League.[/quote]

    Arkansas (a former AF2 team) had the option to use the old Twisters name, but didn’t want to pay, so they’re now the Diamonds.

    [quote comment=”376372″]They are one of two AF1 teams that does not have a connection to either an AFL, AF2 team. The Jacksonville Sharks are the other expection. They took the name of the Jacksonville WFL team.[/quote]

    Which, you gotta admit, is a great name.

  • Dane | February 5, 2010 at 2:56 pm |

    The comics page having a little fun with Super Bowl numbering:

    http://news.yahoo.co...

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 2:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”376385″]Not sure if this was covered yesterday or not, but I just read the Super Bowl ESPN article. Does anyone else think it would have been cool if the Saints had stuck with the Copper color as opposed to Gold? Certainly would have been unique! Looked pretty nice with the white jerseys, better than gold IMO.[/quote]

    Wasn’t copper.
    Was never copper.
    More “copper” than what they wear now, I suppose
    Dead-solid honest “Old Gold.”
    But never copper.
    You want copper, check the Arizona Wranglers’ helmets in the USFL or Arizona Rattlers’ of Arena football.

    The scan of that SI cover is just way out of whack.
    I was holding that actual cover in my hand Wednesday night, still has the label with the address of my childhood home on it.

    Tune in Sunday for UW’s now-annual, incredibly detailed look at the uni histories of the Super Bowl teams. Largely thanks to TimmyB and Phil.

    —Ricko

  • Brian Walden | February 5, 2010 at 3:04 pm |

    Pulling the metaphor about not leaving anything in the chamber in the Nike Ad is what’s out of hand. If you’re going to do that you might as well make Nike rename the whole Pro Combat line. Combat is violent.

    There are proper uses of guns and proper uses of violence; they won our country’s independence, kept it united, and ended two world wars. If Nike called the line Pro Gangster and used the chamber metaphor, I’d have a problem with it. But it’s obviously used as reference to battle, not street violence.

    For the record, I don’t own guns, I’m not a NRA member or even a republican, and I’m not a Nike fan (their shoes tend to be too narrow for me and they ruined too many of my favorite team’s uniforms).

  • joe | February 5, 2010 at 3:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”376239″]About that Penguins patch: As soon as I saw it I remembered having a Buffalo Sabres version. I distinctly remember that it had two problems, 1) the uniform was red, and 2) the player was wearing a civil war era cap. I assume that whoever designed it knew nothing about the team. You can see it here: http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    That style of “kepi” hat wouldn’t appear again in the NHL until the Columbus Blue Jackets used one in an alternate logo. http://www.chriscrea...
    I have the Chicago Blackhawks one.

  • DK | February 5, 2010 at 3:05 pm |

    Ryan Malone discusses getting a USA Hockey tattoo and the possibility of adding the Nike Swoosh.

    http://sports.yahoo....

    “Malone, who has his share of tattoos, hasn’t gotten his Team USA ink yet, but he’s thinking about it. “On the USA jersey a tattoo of everything the United States stands for, so I’m going to get that. I’m just debating whether to go all the way down my arm to my wrist, or put it somewhere else on my body,” he said in a phone interview Wednesday.

    If he gets the official Olympic jersey design on his body, does he legally need a Nike swoosh tattooed somewhere near it?

    “I don’t know, maybe,” he said with a laugh. “I hope not.”

  • Jet | February 5, 2010 at 3:08 pm |

    CHIQUITA BANANA STICKERS!!!!

    My brother and I collected those and stuck them on a dresser drawer, in formation of offense vs. defense.

    I think the dresser is still at my mom’s house, next time I’m there I’ll try to take a pic…

    wow.

    -Jet

  • LI Phil | February 5, 2010 at 3:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”376389″]I don’t own guns, I’m not a NRA member or even a republican, and I’m not a Nike fan[/quote]

    you say that like it’s a bad thing

  • Ricko | February 5, 2010 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”376389″]Pulling the metaphor about not leaving anything in the chamber in the Nike Ad is what’s out of hand. If you’re going to do that you might as well make Nike rename the whole Pro Combat line. Combat is violent.

    There are proper uses of guns and proper uses of violence; they won our country’s independence, kept it united, and ended two world wars. If Nike called the line Pro Gangster and used the chamber metaphor, I’d have a problem with it. But it’s obviously used as reference to battle, not street violence.

    For the record, I don’t own guns, I’m not a NRA member or even a republican, and I’m not a Nike fan (their shoes tend to be too narrow for me and they ruined too many of my favorite team’s uniforms).[/quote]

    I think the point is, it shows either bad judgment, obliviousness, or absolutely heinous marketing tactics on behalf of Nike.

    None of those are good.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | February 5, 2010 at 3:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”376383″][quote comment=”376357″]OK, apparently I did something to offend the spam filter.

    Anyway, my take on those Cubs unis. They did suck, but I think it’s a bit funny that they’re usually ripped for the “Cuba” script on the jersey but that there were worse things going on.

    It also had a sleeve patch with the worst secondary logo in team history and it was the introduction of the red-brimmed road cap.[/quote]

    I still have one of those in my closet…Wore it to a game with my father (who got it for me for a present)and been hanging there ever since the mid-90’s.[/quote]
    Does it still fit? And is there a name/number on it? If not, it might actually be kinda cool to make it into something like a Tuffy Rhodes or Dave Otto jersey.

  • M.Princip | February 5, 2010 at 3:15 pm |

    That DIY Blackhawks jacket is super! Great job Terence. I don’t care how it was done, the concept skecth would be brilliant, in and of itself. To follow through to fruition, by any means, is a big bonus.

    Damn, with all of this great Hockey stuff I’m seeing around here, makes me wish I had a team. I tell ya I love the Canucks Orca C, and the lumber jack as the secondary logo. What a great combination of styles in my opinion. Here’s a great take on the Canucks switiching roles.

    http://picasaweb.goo...

    http://lh6.ggpht.com...

    These Canuck concepts are fun as hell to look through:

    http://picasaweb.goo...

  • Jet | February 5, 2010 at 3:20 pm |

    re: the Penguins patch -there was indeed a whole series of them back in the 70’s. I had most of ’em, only one I have left is the California Golden Seals one ’cause that was my favorite team.

  • Jet | February 5, 2010 at 3:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”376397″]re: the Penguins patch -there was indeed a whole series of them back in the 70’s. I had most of ’em, only one I have left is the California Golden Seals one ’cause that was my favorite team.[/quote]

    oh, and the Atlanta Flames one was way cool – a player wearing a fireman’s helmet!!!

    -Jet

  • Jet | February 5, 2010 at 3:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”376396″]

    These Canuck concepts are fun as hell to look through:

    http://picasaweb.goo...

    And note that this one:
    http://picasaweb.goo...
    is supposed to be a composite of all of the different Canuck logos and colors — but look at the “fin” of the orca character – that’s the old Vancouver Millionaires logo!!!

    -Jet

  • Rob | February 5, 2010 at 3:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”376393″][quote comment=”376389″]I don’t own guns, I’m not a NRA member or even a republican, and I’m not a Nike fan[/quote]

    you say that like it’s a bad thing[/quote]

    I own guns, am a member of the NRA and the Republican party and I love Nike…but the whole “Pro Combat” ad campaign is just stupid.

    I’m a Gator and can’t buy any of their Pro Combat gear because they didn’t “Finish the Mission.”

  • JimV19 | February 5, 2010 at 3:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”376371″]one of those knockoff arena leagues, the CIFL, has a team called the Chicago Cardinals, and they say they have permission from the Arizona Cardinals to use the name.[/quote]

    I was the first on my block to have a pennant:
    http://farm5.static....

  • chance michaels | February 5, 2010 at 3:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”376386″][quote comment=”376373″]If any of the team names were owned by the Arena Football Leauge (I don’t know if they were or not, most likely not) they now belong to AF1 as they brought all the assest and other stuff from the Arena Football League.[/quote]

    Arkansas (a former AF2 team) had the option to use the old Twisters name, but didn’t want to pay, so they’re now the Diamonds.[/quote]

    And then as part of the rebranding they stole a new logo.

  • mtjaws | February 5, 2010 at 4:03 pm |

    I understand the NFL wants to get the Lombardi trophy in the Super Bowl logos, but I like the unique logos that appear each year. Some are good (SB 21, 31, 37), some are bad (10, 15, 42), but sometimes they do have some personality (27, 28, 31). The new Dallas one isn’t bad, but could/will get boring after a few years.

    [quote comment=”376282″]There are actually Super Bowl police badges made up each year for the Police Departments in the host cities that incorporate the SB logo with the police badge.
    [/quote]

    Here is the XLIV badge.

    [quote comment=”376317″]Yeah, I imagine that, from a marketing standpoint, there’s a pretty good argument to be made that the Marlins might have been better served (in terms of “market reach”) by going to “South Florida Marlins” rather than “Miami Marlins”.

    Not saying I’d be for it, just saying it’s a legitimate issue to ponder, business-wise.
    —Ricko[/quote]

    Actually, they should just keep “Florida Marlins” and entirely avoid the stupid change to “Miami”. They have never played in the city of Miami, so that name didn’t work from the start, but they shouldn’t change it when they do move there in 2012. And yes their Spring Training is in Jupiter.

  • nato | February 5, 2010 at 4:05 pm |

    does anyone know where i can buy undershirts like in the rawlings catalog scans? do they still even make em like that?

  • concealed78 | February 5, 2010 at 4:06 pm |

    Not to get off-topic here, but is there anyone here who is NOT planning on watching the Super Bowl? I reached my breaking point 6 SB’s ago & just can’t stomach the farce, concerts, commercials or the long game. For me, this game has turned into a real turd. Just too much. And the revamping of the logo system is just another example of it.

  • Johnny O | February 5, 2010 at 4:11 pm |

    Paul thinks that the Super Bowl patches are big this year? I totally forgot about Super Bowl XXV and these:
    http://www.sportsmem...

    http://www.throwback...

    And did anyone realize this inscription was on the side of the G-Men’s latest ring? Or am I late to the party?
    http://www.nypost.co...

  • Mark K | February 5, 2010 at 4:13 pm |

    That Blackhawks jacket is awesome. I love the deep red color- and everything else about it.

  • rpm | February 5, 2010 at 4:18 pm |

    paul, and anyone interested~

    i have been mulling this since 10 as i putz around the studio, but i am having trouble concentrating and i just have to get this out…

    this is more or less the “what is art” debate. am i not allowed to get away from this shit ever? when i get away from painting and sculpture, i have problems in the fine art community because i do a lot of glass work, and while hard to describe, i fabricate everything in my non glass art too(surprise). some people look down on my materials and executive styling, that’s fine, they can eat a sausage. then there is the debate about the art of compulsion and whether or not that qualifies as art, but i am what i am, have another sausage. conversely, i personally have a lot of problems with fine artists who don’t physically make all their work, or use short cuts in some form or fashion, they’re lazy hacks in my eye. not that they don’t have a place on a wall, but has anybody ever seen inkjet on canvas in a gallery?! bell tower. or ebay collection as ordered art on pedestals in a gallery? hornet taco. or how about over conceptualized pieces executed with futility, and defended with a it’s about the idear anyway defense? bell tower with a sack of choco~tacos. but i am sure the later artist would try to tell me in a manner that seeks to marginalize that i am somehow missing the point of what is art. i am all about conceptualization, but execute mothervilker(the swear not the legend), i ‘ll eat my sausage for calling you out. before i get fired up, point is, i suppose it is hard to qualify something that lives so abstractly. corn, i have not even scratched that surface, let’s get to the real topic, diy…

    terence has a diy project, no doubt. he put something together(in theory) that does not exist outside his closet. nike/reebok/etc did not design something made by child labour out of country for him to over pay for, so kudos to him, i love him for it, and it is sharp too, i wish everyone did what he did, this orb would be a better place. BUT, he could have put it together himself if he wanted. yes they make special hooked needles for leather, yes it sucks to push/pull it through, yes the cuts bleed, but it just takes time and desire, i think he has the motor skills to pull it off. would putting it together himself made it any better in any way? no, it is a great project, loved it. but it lies in contrast to what some other’s like master ryco, master bryan, and others accomplish(i am not putting myself in that category, they are much better then i am). again, this is not to take anything away from tk because his project is awesome. perhaps people who craft it like the masters are ciy’ers, but i hate the word craft so don’t use that or i’ll meet you at the taco stand. perhaps the masters need some sort of superlative to add to “yourself” to separate what they do, like king master blaster it yourselfers. or perhaps they just need the ocdiy aptly applied because they obsess over every detail of a project, and execute every step. in some way there should be a categorical difference separating journey and destination. diy journeymen & diy destinationists? not that we really need terms, but mentioning that a diy project is about destination, or about a journey and the destination does not make one better then another, it shows the difference betwixt the two.

    you know i sit you up there with bahst and the cornmother and all that, but your where do we draw the line on diy grafs dented my pan. it does not take anything away from terence and his wonderful project, but of course there is a difference. in addition to my favourite finger shred shot, did i with much love pick the cuts out of my bloodograph collection based on their finger of appearance, perhaps, but it was with love my friend. is this bothering me more then it normally would because of personal reasons, perhaps. but in anger you inspired me to spend my only day off creating, with the exception of this timeout, it should be an 18 hours day by time i stop. i should thank you for that, and for bert jones yesterday too.

  • Terence M. K. | February 5, 2010 at 4:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”376380″][quote comment=”376374″]Hey, I’m no elistist. For me, DIY is making something that you can enjoy using all resources available to you.

    For me, coming up with $120 isn’t an option. Coming up with $5.99 to buy a t-shirt, most definitely is.

    I agree with Terence. If you cannot do something (knit a t-shirt in my case; chain-stitch in his), by all means, have someone else do it for you!

    His jacket looks super sweet no matter how he accomplished it and definitely something he can be proud of.[/quote]

    Nicely said Bryan.

    Terence, your jacket looks great.[/quote]

    Thanks guys!

    TMK

  • leon | February 5, 2010 at 4:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”376401″][quote comment=”376371″]one of those knockoff arena leagues, the CIFL, has a team called the Chicago Cardinals, and they say they have permission from the Arizona Cardinals to use the name.[/quote]

    I was the first on my block to have a pennant:
    http://farm5.static....

    You ran your panelling in the wrong direction.
    :)

  • chance michaels | February 5, 2010 at 4:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”376405″]Not to get off-topic here, but is there anyone here who is NOT planning on watching the Super Bowl? I reached my breaking point 6 SB’s ago & just can’t stomach the farce, concerts, commercials or the long game. For me, this game has turned into a real turd. Just too much. And the revamping of the logo system is just another example of it.[/quote]
    I watch them only if I have a rooting interest in the game – I don’t watch for the sake of watching.

    I’ll watch this one, or part of this one, only because I’m pulling for the Saints.

  • Johnny O | February 5, 2010 at 4:45 pm |

    Forgive me if this has been mentioned…but if you live around Milwaukee, you are a Brewers fan, and want a really different way to tell your significant you love him/her… you will want to check this out:

    http://brewers.aucti...

  • KT | February 5, 2010 at 4:58 pm |

    I want to DIY a Washington Sentinels #16 jersey. Long-term goal.

  • chance michaels | February 5, 2010 at 5:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”376412″]Forgive me if this has been mentioned…but if you live around Milwaukee, you are a Brewers fan, and want a really different way to tell your significant you love him/her… you will want to check this out:

    http://brewers.aucti...
    Damn – think I can convince them Brooklyn is 45 minutes outside of Miller Park?

  • LI Phil | February 5, 2010 at 5:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”376412″]Forgive me if this has been mentioned…but if you live around Milwaukee, you are a Brewers fan, and want a really different way to tell your significant you love him/her… you will want to check this out:

    http://brewers.aucti...

    so…for a couple hundy…you can have a special sausage delivery to your wife at her place of business

    /grounds?

  • JimV19 | February 5, 2010 at 5:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”376322″]Kinda funny how some people identify where they live. I have friends who live in places that are much closer to Rockford or Kenosha or Joliet than they are to Chicago, yet if they’re out of town and someone asks where they live, it’s always “Chicago.” Nobody says “Illinois” or even “Chicagoland” for that matter.[/quote]

    When I lived in Cuyahoga Falls, I was always specific about that. Didn’t say, “I’m from Akron.” When some people tried to regionalize me even more and say, “Oh, so you’re from Cleveland,” I’d go all Sam Wyche on them.
    http://www.youtube.c...

  • M.Princip | February 5, 2010 at 5:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”376399″][quote comment=”376396″]

    These Canuck concepts are fun as hell to look through:

    http://picasaweb.goo...

    And note that this one:
    http://picasaweb.goo...
    is supposed to be a composite of all of the different Canuck logos and colors — but look at the “fin” of the orca character – that’s the old Vancouver Millionaires logo!!!

    -Jet[/quote]

    That’s just fun right there.

  • leon | February 5, 2010 at 5:25 pm |

    “you can have a special sausage delivery to your wife at her place of business’

    Huh?

  • Matt | February 5, 2010 at 5:25 pm |

    I have a question and I thought this was the perfect place to ask. The wiffleball team I’m playing on in the summer wants to get jerseys made up. Anyone have a good suggestion for a site we can go to to design some?
    Thanks
    Matt

  • M.Princip | February 5, 2010 at 5:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”376417″][quote comment=”376399″][quote comment=”376396″]

    These Canuck concepts are fun as hell to look through:

    http://picasaweb.goo...

    And note that this one:
    http://picasaweb.goo...
    is supposed to be a composite of all of the different Canuck logos and colors — but look at the “fin” of the orca character – that’s the old Vancouver Millionaires logo!!!

    -Jet[/quote]

    That’s just fun right there.[/quote]

    Of course the hat version. Yee Haw!

    http://picasaweb.goo...

  • KT | February 5, 2010 at 5:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”376400″]I’m a Gator and can’t buy any of their Pro Combat gear because they didn’t “Finish the Mission.”[/quote]

    Since when are you a Gator?

  • KT | February 5, 2010 at 5:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”376403″]Actually, they should just keep “Florida Marlins” and entirely avoid the stupid change to “Miami”. They have never played in the city of Miami, so that name didn’t work from the start, but they shouldn’t change it when they do move there in 2012. [/quote]

    Except that, you know, Miami-Dade County is kicking in close to $450M for the thing. Other than that, no, they shouldn’t have any say in what you’d have to do to actually GET the taxpayers’ money that you’re going to use to make your private enterprise more profitable.

  • LI Phil | February 5, 2010 at 5:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”376418″]”you can have a special sausage delivery to your wife at her place of business’

    Huh?[/quote]

    “On February 12, 13 or 14 – you pick the date – the Famous Klement’s Racing Sausages will visit your spouse or significant other at their home or place of work to deliver a Valentine’s present…Value: $850.00 ”

    no?

  • leon | February 5, 2010 at 5:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”376423″][quote comment=”376418″]”you can have a special sausage delivery to your wife at her place of business’

    Huh?[/quote]

    “On February 12, 13 or 14 – you pick the date – the Famous Klement’s Racing Sausages will visit your spouse or significant other at their home or place of work to deliver a Valentine’s present…Value: $850.00 ”

    no?[/quote]
    I’ll do it for half that.
    :)

  • kj | February 5, 2010 at 6:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”376368″]”Texans” probably was fraught with all sorts of issues, given the NFL team in the same state.

    Also, another name/logo unveiling today, the new Division II pro soccer team in Minnesota.

    http://www.insidemns...

    NSC is the National Sports Center in Blaine, which is running the team that will play at its facility. Stars – I’m sure you get the reference.

    This team replaces the Minnesota Thunder, which (sadly) went away after having been around since 1990.[/quote]

    Ahh, the Thunder: silently dead. *hangs head*

    New team name: Eh.
    New team nickname: I’m cool with “Stars”.
    New colors: Navy and gold? I’m down.
    New logo: HOLY CRAP THAT’S TERRIBLE.

  • Gill | February 5, 2010 at 6:13 pm |

    Interesting piece by the Freakonomics guy about football helmets.
    http://freakonomics....

  • Traxel | February 5, 2010 at 6:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”376412″]Forgive me if this has been mentioned…but if you live around Milwaukee, you are a Brewers fan, and want a really different way to tell your significant you love him/her… you will want to check this out:

    http://brewers.aucti...
    I was driving and listening to MLB on XM about an hour ago and they were discussing this auction! They were also railing on Milwaukee fans for not bidding as it seems to be stuck on the original bid of $300.

  • Johnny O | February 5, 2010 at 7:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”376427″][quote comment=”376412″]Forgive me if this has been mentioned…but if you live around Milwaukee, you are a Brewers fan, and want a really different way to tell your significant you love him/her… you will want to check this out:

    http://brewers.aucti...
    I was driving and listening to MLB on XM about an hour ago and they were discussing this auction! They were also railing on Milwaukee fans for not bidding as it seems to be stuck on the original bid of $300.[/quote]

    There is almost four days left in the auction. Don’t you worry… Brew City’s finest will be placing their bids when all the beer and cheese is done congealing after the Super Bowl parties this weekend.

  • Johnny O | February 5, 2010 at 7:16 pm |

    WOW! Brewcrewball.com does it again. Check out this old McDonald’s commercial featuring Cecil Fielder and his son Prince:

    http://www.brewcrewb...

  • Terence M. K. | February 5, 2010 at 7:19 pm |

    rpm said:

    “diy journeymen & diy destinationists”

    I love it!!! Needs to go in the Uni Watch glossary of terms.

    TMK

  • JimV19 | February 5, 2010 at 7:20 pm |

    As a Steelers fan in Browns country, I can realte with this kid, but do we really need the ACLU involved?
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Oakville Endive | February 5, 2010 at 7:20 pm |

    Walked around the Air Canada Centre at lunch time, they have two banks of televisions, one showing Raptors TV, the othe showing Leafs TV – the Leafs TV was showing a black and white game – Oakland Seals at Toronto – vintage very early years Oakland Seals – the white uni, with green and blue striping

    With the news the Leafs will again likely have striping below their crest – while I think the odds are they’ll simply resurrect their last striping pattern, in the Leafs store they have a Frank Mahovolich (sp?) uni, striping very similar to the current Coyotes – it looks a lot sharper – only hoping.

  • rpm | February 5, 2010 at 7:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”376430″]rpm said:

    “diy journeymen & diy destinationists”

    I love it!!! Needs to go in the Uni Watch glossary of terms.

    TMK[/quote]
    i hope you know i loved your project, it looks great, it snubs nike~bok, and you have something unique. it’s just a different diy animal then say the guys who are from scratch making uniforms like bryan and ryco. your project is destination driven, and at it’s core represents the same thing as the scratchers, who might find more in the journey part of projects. sorry i am just having a real bad day, perfect storm, got all pissy, hope you know i loved the jacket.

  • leon | February 5, 2010 at 7:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”376431″]As a Steelers fan in Browns country, I can realte with this kid, but do we really need the ACLU involved?
    http://sports.espn.g...
    Over-reaction begets over-reaction.

  • Terence M. K. | February 5, 2010 at 8:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”376433″][quote comment=”376430″]rpm said:

    “diy journeymen & diy destinationists”

    I love it!!! Needs to go in the Uni Watch glossary of terms.

    TMK[/quote]
    i hope you know i loved your project, it looks great, it snubs nike~bok, and you have something unique. it’s just a different diy animal then say the guys who are from scratch making uniforms like bryan and ryco. your project is destination driven, and at it’s core represents the same thing as the scratchers, who might find more in the journey part of projects. sorry i am just having a real bad day, perfect storm, got all pissy, hope you know i loved the jacket.[/quote]

    No, I know! Thanks man. I’m just starting out with this stuff and I have projects that are more in line with Justman and RyCo (those guys are levels above me). I knew you’d chime in because you’re in Chi Town, it was a Blackhawks jacket and you are one of the DIY Masters (or Journeymen?) here on UW. You’re stuff, although different than mine, has inspired me to think up new shit and new ways put it together. Bottom line is, I’m not gonna settle for whatever branded junk the leagues wanna force feed me. I know now that if I want something different and not off the, Licensed marked up 50% higher than normal, rack, I can figure out a way to Do It Myself!!

    TMK

  • Joel | February 5, 2010 at 8:34 pm |

    im watching the Sixers vs. Hornets game and the hornets are wearing their mardi gras uniforms and they look so ugly… is this the first time they are wearing them?

  • rpm | February 5, 2010 at 9:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”376435″][quote comment=”376433″][quote comment=”376430″]rpm said:

    “diy journeymen & diy destinationists”

    I love it!!! Needs to go in the Uni Watch glossary of terms.

    TMK[/quote]
    i hope you know i loved your project, it looks great, it snubs nike~bok, and you have something unique. it’s just a different diy animal then say the guys who are from scratch making uniforms like bryan and ryco. your project is destination driven, and at it’s core represents the same thing as the scratchers, who might find more in the journey part of projects. sorry i am just having a real bad day, perfect storm, got all pissy, hope you know i loved the jacket.[/quote]

    No, I know! Thanks man. I’m just starting out with this stuff and I have projects that are more in line with Justman and RyCo (those guys are levels above me). I knew you’d chime in because you’re in Chi Town, it was a Blackhawks jacket and you are one of the DIY Masters (or Journeymen?) here on UW. You’re stuff, although different than mine, has inspired me to think up new shit and new ways put it together. Bottom line is, I’m not gonna settle for whatever branded junk the leagues wanna force feed me. I know now that if I want something different and not off the, Licensed marked up 50% higher than normal, rack, I can figure out a way to Do It Myself!!

    TMK[/quote]

    just don’t mix up my art scene rant and the diy rant, because even though they speak to similar issues, they are two different beasts and i am frustrated with the former, not peoples execution of the later. i see nothing wrong with the way you approach your projects, nothing, because you execute them wonderfully. it is hard not to go overboard sometimes. if you want to start going journeyman style scratching may i suggest a forgiving material, felt. i can’t find the shot of the front, but i used it to make this>/a href> flannel jackalopes baseball jersey. and from my olde studio like 7 years ago you can see the felt i used to make this hat, stuck to my stereo in one of todays blood shots. point is you can cut out your shape, but it does not have to be perfect as you can manipulate it as you sew if you do it by hand. and it is really really easy to put a needle through so you will not kill your fingers. there are different thicknesses of felt to, so you can get different types for different projects. and just so you know i am not a snob, i cut andd sewed the letters, but i bought a crab to put on a maryland flag i bought for this hockey jersey shoulder patch. sometimes it is better to not do everything, you have to know your limits.

  • Jeff P | February 5, 2010 at 9:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”376431″]As a Steelers fan in Browns country, I can realte with this kid, but do we really need the ACLU involved?
    http://sports.espn.g...
    The ACLU faxed a letter. Sports loyalty aside, what the principal did did violate the 1st amendment.

    Or perhaps not, ever since the Bong hits case students don’t actually have any free speech rights in school. But the threat should be enough to get the suspension off the student’s record.

    Oh, and Ray Whitney still throat tab-less.

  • aflfan | February 5, 2010 at 11:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”376402″][quote comment=”376386″][quote comment=”376373″]If any of the team names were owned by the Arena Football Leauge (I don’t know if they were or not, most likely not) they now belong to AF1 as they brought all the assest and other stuff from the Arena Football League.[/quote]

    Arkansas (a former AF2 team) had the option to use the old Twisters name, but didn’t want to pay, so they’re now the Diamonds.[/quote]

    And then as part of the rebranding they stole a new logo.[/quote]

    They are not in AF1 though. They are in the Indoor Football League.

  • JTH | February 5, 2010 at 11:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”376434″][quote comment=”376431″]As a Steelers fan in Browns country, I can realte with this kid, but do we really need the ACLU involved?
    http://sports.espn.g...
    Over-reaction begets over-reaction.[/quote]
    I don’t know that either party necessarily overreacted. Students were told they could wear Saints jerseys. Kid wore a colts jersey. For all we know, the principal encouraged him to take it off for fear that the kid was going to get the shit kicked out of him. It says the principal got angry after the father said that the jersey stays on or the kid goes home. Maybe the conversation with the father featured something along the lines of “you can go fuck yourself if you think Brandon’s gonna take off his Colts jersey, you crawdad-sucking prick.” That might make me a bit angry if I were the principal.

    ACLU faxed a letter saying that they didn’t think the principal should have suspended the kid for keeping his clothes on and if the incident goes on his permanent record, they have his back. Hardly an overreaction.

  • rpm | February 6, 2010 at 12:14 am |

    jth~
    i decided i am going to pick up the ability to chain stitch mechanically rather then by hand, when i do, you still looking to make a wool indiana jersey? is there a cool hoosier logo from the past that could go on the sleeve? do some research.

  • LI Phil | February 6, 2010 at 12:21 am |

    [quote comment=”376441″]Maybe the conversation with the father featured something along the lines of “you can go fuck yourself if you think Brandon’s gonna take off his Colts jersey, you crawdad-sucking prick.” That might make me a bit angry if I were the principal.[/quote]

    and perhaps the father came to school dressed like this … or this

    although, to be fair, i imagine the scenario in the principal’s office unfolding sorta like this

  • Traxel | February 6, 2010 at 12:29 am |

    [quote comment=”376408″]paul, and anyone interested~

    i have been mulling this since 10 as i putz around the studio, but i am having trouble concentrating and i just have to get this out…

    this is more or less the “what is art” debate. am i not allowed to get away from this shit ever? when i get away from painting and sculpture, i have problems in the fine art community because i do a lot of glass work, and while hard to describe, i fabricate everything in my non glass art too(surprise). some people look down on my materials and executive styling, that’s fine, they can eat a sausage. then there is the debate about the art of compulsion and whether or not that qualifies as art, but i am what i am, have another sausage. conversely, i personally have a lot of problems with fine artists who don’t physically make all their work, or use short cuts in some form or fashion, they’re lazy hacks in my eye. not that they don’t have a place on a wall, but has anybody ever seen inkjet on canvas in a gallery?! bell tower. or ebay collection as ordered art on pedestals in a gallery? hornet taco. or how about over conceptualized pieces executed with futility, and defended with a it’s about the idear anyway defense? bell tower with a sack of choco~tacos. but i am sure the later artist would try to tell me in a manner that seeks to marginalize that i am somehow missing the point of what is art. i am all about conceptualization, but execute mothervilker(the swear not the legend), i ‘ll eat my sausage for calling you out. before i get fired up, point is, i suppose it is hard to qualify something that lives so abstractly. corn, i have not even scratched that surface, let’s get to the real topic, diy…

    terence has a diy project, no doubt. he put something together(in theory) that does not exist outside his closet. nike/reebok/etc did not design something made by child labour out of country for him to over pay for, so kudos to him, i love him for it, and it is sharp too, i wish everyone did what he did, this orb would be a better place. BUT, he could have put it together himself if he wanted. yes they make special hooked needles for leather, yes it sucks to push/pull it through, yes the cuts bleed, but it just takes time and desire, i think he has the motor skills to pull it off. would putting it together himself made it any better in any way? no, it is a great project, loved it. but it lies in contrast to what some other’s like master ryco, master bryan, and others accomplish(i am not putting myself in that category, they are much better then i am). again, this is not to take anything away from tk because his project is awesome. perhaps people who craft it like the masters are ciy’ers, but i hate the word craft so don’t use that or i’ll meet you at the taco stand. perhaps the masters need some sort of superlative to add to “yourself” to separate what they do, like king master blaster it yourselfers. or perhaps they just need the ocdiy aptly applied because they obsess over every detail of a project, and execute every step. in some way there should be a categorical difference separating journey and destination. diy journeymen & diy destinationists? not that we really need terms, but mentioning that a diy project is about destination, or about a journey and the destination does not make one better then another, it shows the difference betwixt the two.

    you know i sit you up there with bahst and the cornmother and all that, but your where do we draw the line on diy grafs dented my pan. it does not take anything away from terence and his wonderful project, but of course there is a difference. in addition to my favourite finger shred shot, did i with much love pick the cuts out of my bloodograph collection based on their finger of appearance, perhaps, but it was with love my friend. is this bothering me more then it normally would because of personal reasons, perhaps. but in anger you inspired me to spend my only day off creating, with the exception of this timeout, it should be an 18 hours day by time i stop. i should thank you for that, and for bert jones yesterday too.[/quote]
    hey rpm, enjoyed the rant. somehow got me to rethink about a norman rockwell autobiography i read a few years ago. how he never felt “included” in the art world due to the nature of his work’s content. about how he thought illustrators who used photos in lieu of models were cheaters. how he justified it later and did it himself but then thought he cheated too. don’t know how this all really connects but you at least got me thinkin.

  • Matt Porges | February 6, 2010 at 12:35 am |

    I liked the Rays’ alt jersey last year, but this is horrible: http://shop.mlb.com/...

  • JTH | February 6, 2010 at 1:40 am |

    [quote comment=”376442″]jth~
    i decided i am going to pick up the ability to chain stitch mechanically rather then by hand, when i do, you still looking to make a wool indiana jersey? is there a cool hoosier logo from the past that could go on the sleeve? do some research.[/quote]
    Oh, yeah. I’ve got that thing all plotted out in my head. Logo from the (not-too-distant) past for the sleeve? Probably this.

    Script across the front has got to be this.

  • JTH | February 6, 2010 at 1:49 am |

    PS – when I was looking for a pic of those warmup shirts, look what image came up in the results.

    Uh, this one, too.

  • rpm | February 6, 2010 at 2:25 am |

    jth~love it

    trax~thanks for pretending to consider my words, the last paragraph had some typos, and only one person knows what tacos represent, but whatever, i was ranting, didn’t care.

    you had a very apt analogy for what i am going through in many ways with my day to day “art” and the future i can expect when i uproot from my studio(which will be dead in less then 7 months), but 200 pages could not give me the space for what i am going through in the brain pan. i only partially represented my feelings in the rant, and got stuck on absolutes which i don’t agree with anyway . i sell legit shit, but yada yada i am an outsider to many circles, and this something i will need to transition soon or die, a tough thing to come to grips with. aaaaaarrrrgh, i need to shut up on this.

    more importantly, i am up to about 100 figurines poured, need about 200 for the full piece, making it “for” you, but not “for” you.

  • Sluttyness | February 6, 2010 at 6:59 am |

    Holy flipping christ. I got a little wet downstairs when I saw that jacket.