By Phil Hecken
The Pro Bowl (tonight, 7:20pm EST, ESPN) hasn’t always sucked. But now it does, and even the most avid of Uni Watchers will be hard pressed to call this event a “must see.”
If you actually care to watch, today (tonight actually) the 2010 NFL Pro Bowl takes place in Hawaii…er, Miami, the site of next week’s Super Bowl XLIV. Seeking to fix what was broken, but for all the wrong reasons, the NFL has decided this year to play their year-end spectacular before the Super Bowl, and on the mainland. At least when the NFL played the game in Hawaii, the players viewed it as a joke with a nice vacation thrown in. Now? It’s just a joke. There must be some connection between the declining quality of the game itself and the uniforms, right?
This year, it’s even worse — and I’m not going to go on a rant here — but good lord, moving the game to pre-Super Bowl, to try to generate some excitement, has actually worked to the game’s disadvantage. You see, none of next weekend’s Super Bowl combatants are allowed to play in tonight’s game — which makes sense — but it means that, automatically, the following players are eliminated: (from the Colts): Peyton Manning, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Jeff Saturday, Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, and Antoine Bethea; (from the Saints): Drew Brees, Jonathan Stinchcomb, Jahri Evans, Jonathan Goodwin, Jonathan Vilma, Darren Sharper, and Roman Harper. So, right off the bat, that’s 14 players, including BOTH Peyton Manning and Drew Brees, who were selected to be the starting quarterbacks. That means we’re left with a matchup of Matt Schaub and Aaron Rodgers.
Add in the following guys who won’t play “due to injury” (Philip Rivers, Chargers; Tom Brady, Patriots; Wes Welker, Patriots; Jake Long, Dolphins; Brian Cushing, Texans; Jairus Byrd, Bills; Nate Kaeding, Chargers; Brett Favre, Vikings; Steven Jackson, Rams; Larry Fitzgerald, Cardinals; Sidney Rice, Vikings; Andre Gurode, Cowboys; Kevin Williams, Vikings; Lance Briggs, Bears; Charles Woodson, Packers; Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Cardinals; and Patrick Willis, 49ers.) That’s 17 more. So, of the players selected to the Pro Bowl in 2010, fans won’t get to see 31 of them. Yeah, that seems like a good deal. If you’re still interested, here’s the full roster. Now, traditionally, lots of players somehow found themselves “injured” and unable to play, but they still enjoyed their Hawai’ian vacation. But there were never THIS many players selected to play in the game who will not. Good move, NFL.
But it wasn’t always that way. Although it has now become the least consequential and likely least watched “all star game” of the major sports (and maybe even hockey, too), the Pro Bowl has actually been played, in one form or another, for decades — beginning with “all star games” first staged in 1939, between the NFL champion and a team of all-stars compiled from the other teams. From 1939 through 1942 (when WW II took it’s toll on the players and the game), the New York Giants, Green Bay Packers, Chicago Bears (twice) and the Washington Redskins all took turns scrammaging against the best of the rest.
The first true Pro Bowl took place on January 14, 1951, when stars from the NFL’s National and American Conferences faced off against each other. Accounts of what the players wore during the game are sketchy, however, it was likely blue (for the Nationals) and red (for the Americans). It was certain that during this game the tradition of having the National Conference wear blue (helmets), while the American Conference wore red. Both teams wore dark uniforms (or, I should say, the game was “color vs. color”). Another game would be held in 1952, and according to the game program, it was color on color again, with the National Conference wearing blue and the American Conference wearing Red. The third Pro Bowl game was played in 1953, this time with the American Conference donning white jerseys. Although the program covers for 1952 and 1953 depict white helmets, each team appears to have worn the color of their respective conference (blue for National, red for American).
Beginning in 1954, and continuing until 1970, the NFL would divide the teams up into the “Eastern” and “Western” conferences (this followed NFL procol, which had changed the names from American and National after the 1953 season). For the most part, the NFL kept the teams in their red and blue color designations (including the helmets), although several years had the players donning gold helmets (which occurred from 1967 through 1970) and wearing the NFL decal on the sides — the East wore a red-white-red tri-stripe and the Western a similar blue-white-blue tri-stripe. Players brought their own game helmets to the game, which were then spray-painted and decorated for the contest. (For the 1970 game the helmets featured the 50 NFL logo, which celebrated the first 50 years of NFL football.)
When the AFL came into being in 1960, that league began playing All Star Games as well, beginning in 1962 and up until 1970. Following the merger of the two leagues for the 1971 season, one Pro Bowl for the entire league was once again played. We’ll take a look at the uniforms from 1971-2009 (and also, for today’s game) in a moment.
Wikipedia, the always trustworthy source, sums up the uniform designations thusly: “The teams are made of players from different NFL teams, so using their own uniforms would be too confusing. The players each wear the helmet of their team, but the home jerseys and pants are either a solid blue for the NFC or solid red for the AFC, while white jerseys with blue or red accents, respectively, for the away team. While it has been speculated that the color of Pro Bowl jerseys is determined by the winner of the Super Bowl, this is untrue.
“The design of Pro Bowl uniforms is changed every two years, and the color and white jerseys are rotated along with the design change. This has been Pro Bowl tradition since the switch to team specific helmets, which started with the January 1979 game. The two-year switch was originally created as a marketing ploy by Nike, and has been continued by Reebok, who won the merchandising contract in 2002.
“In the earliest years of the AFC-NFC Pro Bowl, the players did not wear their unique helmets, as they do now. The AFC All-Stars wore a solid red helmet with a white A on it, while the NFC players wore a solid white helmet with a blue N on it. The AFC’s red helmets were paired with white jerseys and red pants, while the NFC’s white helmets were paired with blue jerseys and white pants. Two players with the same number who are elected to the Pro Bowl can wear the same number for that game. [In the games early years], all players were required to wear different numbers, regardless of what jersey number they wore on their regular team. This changed … when players wore the jersey number on their regular team jersey, thus initially resulting in virtually every wide receiver on the field being numbered 80 or 81, a situation that, predictably, created significant confusion. Thus, it is recommended — although not required — that players use different jersey numbers, and generally when two players share a number, the less experienced one will wear a different number for the game.”
So anyway, back to the uniforms, throughout the 1971-2009 history. Back in the first several years, as mentioned, the teams simply wore “N” or “A” helmets, with the NFC wearing blue jerseys and white pants. This continued until 1979, when players began wearing individual team helmets on top of their respective teams’ uniforms. No matter what the year, the uniforms remained a constant: AFC in team specific helmets with white jerseys and red pants with white-blue-white stripes, NFC in team helmets with blue jerseys and white pants with blue-red-blue stripes.
This set pattern persisted until 1989, when the NFL kept the same basic color schemes for both conferences, but added stars down the pants stripes (plus an “N” or an “A”) and contrasting colored outlines around the teams’ jersey numbers. This particular style lasted until 1994
Here’s where it all went to hell. Beginning in 1995, when the AFC was outfitted in garish costumes, and the NFC followed suit, uniform design has been, shall we say, lacking. The 1995 game featured the NFC in a “half blue/white” jersey blue pants (with the leotard look to boot), but for 1996 and 1997, they would switch to white pants. The AFC would stick with red pants throughtout the there year run, but in 1995 they wore red undersocks (for the dreaded leotard look), while in 1996 and 1997 they stuck with high white socks. One can only assume the jersey style was influenced by the CFL’s American contingent, since they sported small off-center numbers on the front of the jerseys. Mercifully, the three year run of that jersey design ended after, surprisingly, three years. Those uniforms were manufactured by Wilson.
1998 would usher in a new set of uniforms for the Conferences, with the AFC being outfitted in a solid red jersey for the first time. If one doesn’t count the 1995-97 jerseys as “white,” the NFC wore white jerseys for the first time. These two jersey sets weren’t all that bad (aesthetically), although they did feature rounded, drop-shadow numbers for both teams. Those uniforms lasted for three years as well, from 1998-2000. This was Nike’s uniform set.
The NFL would begin it’s “two and done” run of uniforms in 2001-02, and these were lackluster at best. The AFC was outfitted in red fading to white jerseys (in a gradient pattern) with white pants. The NFC, on the other hand, wore white fading to blue jerseys (in the opposite gardient pattern) atop blue pants. These uniforms were so bad that very few photos exist on the Interwebs of them. Perhaps that’s for the best. Reebok manufactured these uniforms, and would continue to do so through today.
2003-2004 didn’t get much better. Returning to a somewhat more traditional look, the AFC wore white over white, with garish side panels and football shaped designs on the pants. For its part, the NFC was outfitted in monochrome blue, in the reverse pattern of the AFC, also featuring the side panels and amorphous pants design.
A new uniform design would begin in 2005-06, with Reebok contining to trend towards the modern look. The AFC returned to wearing red jerseys, with same color side panels and a “Broncos-esque” pants swoosh atop white pants. While the AFC would have red top socks for a more balanced look, the NFC would sport a reciprocal white over blue uniform, complete with blue socks, for that special dancer look. Both jerseys would feature rounded numerals, and six stars would adorn the jersey and pants side panels, three each on the top and bottom. In a typical “mirror” image, the AFC’s white numbers had a white-blue outline, while the NFC would feature a solid blue outlined in white and red. As far as recent uniforms go, these weren’t too bad.
2007-08 would usher in new uniforms again, with the AFC returning to white over red and the NFC donning blue over white. Continuing the “modern” look and feel, this uniform set would include bumper sticker paneling under the arms and down the side panels, and the pants stripes would also include white and blue panels within the stripes for both teams. But the most interesting feature of these uniforms was undoubtedly the jersey design, which included similarly colored darker stars superimposed on the solid jersey, gradually moving from fully filled-in stars to outlined stars from top to bottom. Whether these new jerseys were following the jersey patterns of the moment or driving them is still up for debate.
We conclude our tour of the Pro Bowl uniforms with last year’s gems, which will be worn again this year. In the final game (at least for the next few years) in Aloha Stadium, the NFC sported a predominantly blue getup, while the went with mostly white over white. However, the uniforms were not without little quirks: while the front side of both unis were solid blue or white (providing a splendid monochromatic appearance for the NFC), the back of the NFC uniform was white (leading to an odd white vs. white appearance from certain angles). The AFC, in mirror-like fashion, had mostly red backs. Both sets of jerseys were textured with stars and had an odd number font. Fortunately, we’ll be graced with these lovelies again in 2010.
That will end the lookback at the Pro Bowl uniforms of the past several decades. Certainly today neither they, nor the game, approach their former, um…greatness. So now, if you do choose to watch the game tonight, in it’s new and temporary home in South Florida (what’s the name of the Stadium now?), you can at least appreciate some of the tradition that has gone into (and the ‘innovation’ that has become) these uniforms.
I’d be remiss without pointing out that by far the best and most comprehensive site (and from which many of the photos in this article were borrowed) is mmbolding.com. If you want to read a description of every Pro Bowl (and All Star Game) ever played, that’s the spot. If you want to simply look at more pro bowl photos, several of which were not in this article and which are fully captioned check out the Flickr album I put together.
Of course, I would be ESPECIALLY REMISS if I didn’t include something from The Ricko Files today. The one and only Rick Pearson was all over the AFL All-Star Games in the early 1960s, producing his famous “Kid Cards” for the 1962 and 1963 All Star games. Note that, unlike the NFL, the AFL teams wore their own helmets for the first two AFL All Star Games (the AFL played their first all star game in 1962).
There is ONE good thing about the NFL moving the Pro Bowl to today — it means that after this exhibition is over, the football season is not. I guess by playing it tonight, the NFL hopes to keep the interest up and fill the void during the week off between the Conference Championships and the Super Bowl. And think of the Pro Bowl this way: you can watch ESPN all day long, after checking out the X-Games, you segue right into the Pro Bowl, and then back to the closing ceremonies of the games. Perfect day, right?
Remember the “Reebok Pump”? Yeah, I don’t either. Here’s Rick:
Technology is wonderful, and some of it is classic, timeless, unforgettable. And the Internet makes all things possible, accessible. So we use it to find any little advantage we can.
Here’s your full-color Sunday Benchies.
Guess The Game From The Scoreboard: You’d think that in honor of the Pro Bowl being played today, I could find a scoreboard photo from a Pro Bowl game. You’d be wrong. So, you’ll just have to settle for the following instead. Ready? Guess The Game From The Scoreboard. Date, location and final score, please, and be sure to link to your answer. And, as always, if you enjoy the game, please send me some new scoreboards! Drop me a line. Thanks!
Our next round of Uniform Tweaks, Concepts and Revisions is upon us again. We’ll be examining all sports now. So, if you have a tweak, change or concept for any sport, send them my way. Since most of you guys have been sending submissions for the Official NFL Jersey Tweaks Contest, (which is separate from the normal uniform tweaks section), it’s a smaller batch today. Remember, the deadline for the contest is February 1, (this Monday), so the contest WILL be closed down after that date.
Our first entrant today is Thad (who would prefer I don’t use his last name), and Thad has a couple tweaks for Da Bears:
Hello,
I’m a life-long Bears fan and love the uniforms but I have a couple tweaks that would make the set flow better.
I didn’t change anything on the navy jersey because it’s perfect. However, I adjusted everything else, though this set still looks like the Bears. The white pants now have an orange-blue-orange striping pattern, as do the stripes on the white jersey and socks. The navy pants now are white-orange-white.
While this doesn’t change too much on the home set (other than making the pants and jersey striping match if they ever go monochrome again), it makes the striping on the away set more uniform and makes it conform better to the rest of the look. It always bugged me that the stripes on the navy jersey are outlined, but the stripes on the white ones weren’t. If the Bears do the traditional monochrome on the away set, all the stripes match.
Thanks.
(And if you do use this, just refer to me as Thad.)
Next up is Ronnie Poore, who has some ideas for the N’awlins Saints:
I gave the Saints uni a bit of a tweak. Added a white divider stripe on the pants (never liked the Steelers style wide stripe). This makes the pants stripes match the helmet stripes. Also darkened the pants so the gold better matches the helmets. I’ve attached 2 images, one with plain socks, one with stripes”¦take your pick.
Ronnie Poore
Moving along, we have my new Deep Freeze buddy, Ben Traxel, who knows I’m an Islander fan and couldn’t resist mocking up a new logo, just for me:
I mocked this up quickly last night…just for you, Phil. :) It was quick and dirty, just for fun.
Ben
That’s all for today. Today’s second submitter, Ronnie Poore also sent me a bunch more tweaks that we’ll get to in the next round. If you have any last minute submissions for the ‘win a jersey’ contest, again, tomorrow is the deadline. Keep the regular tweaks coming, though, since that part of the weekends will remain (as long as I have submissions). Send both your regular tweaks and your contest tweaks to me at the same address, but if you’re submitting something for the contest, please be sure to label the subject: “UNI WATCH NFL JERSEY DESIGN CONTEST.” Thanks!
Meet Flat Tyler. Time for a little love for Ryan Connelly, who send me the following E-mail, which is pretty damn cool:
You guys have heard about “Flat Stanley,” a project kids do for school? They take pictures of this paper guy all over the place? A lady at work (Nancy), has a lady in her group that works in Denver. Well, the lady in Denver has a 6 year old grandson that had a “Flat Tyler” project. The kid’s name is Tyler, and the project (I think, I wasn’t paying ALL that much attention at the time) is to send Flat Tyler out to friends around the country and get pictures in various places. Nancy got it and knew I was going to the Penguins game last Tuesday (Malkin 3 goals, Crosby 6 pts), and asked me to take pics of Flat Tyler at the game. So I took it one step further for the little guy, and made him a little Penguins jersey. Took the image from this page.
I copied the image multiple times into an Excel spreadsheet, sized them down to Flat Tyler’s size, and printed them out. I cut the arms off of the first jersey image to use for the body, then cut the arms off of the other image so that I could angle them on to Tyler’s arms. Then I taped the jersey together and paper-clipped the jersey onto Flat Tyler, so that the real Tyler could take it off and on and do whatever the hell he wanted with it.
So there, quickie little DIY project I wanted to share. Enjoy the pics!
P.S. Those were NOT taken from my seats! I was a “a little” further up. HAHA
Thanks RyCo40…nice job for Tyler!
This next section is a repeat from yesterday, so if you saw it then, you can feel free to skip it today. But if you didn’t, please give it a quick read. Thanks.
You may remember Kenny Ocker, the Uni Watcher who scored the fantastic interview with Casey Martin last month. Well, he’s back at the U of O and he needs your help. I’ll let Kenny explain:
Dear Uni Watch Community,
When I (The Hemogoblin/Kenny Ocker) am not on the internet, I’m a sophomore journalism major at the University of Oregon. This term, I have a class that requires me to write a 100-page research paper. My topic question is “Should cities, counties and states use public money to fund the construction and operation of sporting venues for private organizations as a way to stimulate the economy?” If any of you feel as if you have something to contribute to my topic, you can e-mail me at The Hemogoblin (at) G-mail (dot) com. I’m especially looking for people who I can interview and stories/documents that are relevant to stadium funding. (I know that you all are a relatively educated bunch on this topic, given the success of the “I’m Calling It Shea” t-shirts, and that you’re all dedicated sports fans.) Any insight on my topic would be fantastic. Also, this is why you all will hardly see me until I get through this term.
Thanks,
Kenny
No, thank you Kenny. What say you, fellow Uni Watchers, can you help a brother out?
That’s all for today folks. I want to thank everyone for their nice comments on yesterday’s post — looks like there will be a uni stadia watch II down the pike. If anyone wants to assist me with a column on the old ball parks, I’d love to work with you (all but Parc Jarry & Exhibition Stadium, tho — I already have a co-conspirator on those). Give me a holler. In fact, if you have any ideas for a future column, let me know. RIP, JJ
Have a great Sunday, folks. Enjoy the Pro Bowl.
Here’s a few ideas that will never happen for “fixing” the Pro Bowl.
A – limit the number of players per team that can be selected. If it’s something like a maximum of 5 per team, then you don’t have as bad of an issue with Superbowl players not playing.
B – Make the uniforms a red/white/blue version of the previous year’s Superbowl teams. Granted, some of those uniforms would be a bit weird too… but it’d probably be better than all the stars and oddity we get now.
This is beating a dead horse here, but I hate how the McDonald’s logo has now crept into the Pro Bowl logo.
1995 for these, eh?
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Man, hard to believe it’s been 15 years since football unis started going dopey.
I have long tended to blame everything going to hell on the Moon Rocks. Yup, since they brought those babiess back in 1969 the world has just gone…weird. But, I dunno, this football bizarreness not beginning til ’95 is a pretty delayed reaction.
So what was happening on Earth (or in the heavens) in 1995 that would cause such a drastic collective leaving of football sensibilities?
Is something to ponder on a Sunday morning.
Let’s all put on our Thinking Caps, shall we.
1995. Hmmmm…what, oh, what, could it have been?
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375150″]1995 for these, eh?
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Man, hard to believe it’s been 15 years since football unis started going dopey.
I have long tended to blame everything going to hell on the Moon Rocks. Yup, since they brought those babiess back in 1969 the world has just gone…weird. But, I dunno, this football bizarreness not beginning til ’95 is a pretty delayed reaction.
So what was happening on Earth (or in the heavens) in 1995 that would cause such a drastic collective leaving of football sensibilities?
Is something to ponder on a Sunday morning.
Let’s all put on our Thinking Caps, shall we.
1995. Hmmmm…what, oh, what, could it have been?
—Ricko[/quote]
Actually it started in 1994. We can blame it on the Shoemaker-Levy comet that hit Jupiter in July that year. The NFL season that followed had the Steelers and Bears in those horrible throwback uniforms….and it just goes from there.
The Jeff said…
“Make the uniforms a red/white/blue version of the previous year’s Superbowl teams.”
That’s a REALLY good and clever idea. Although it’s way too whimsical for the No Fun League.
But, considering the flap about Jeff Fisher donning a Colts jersey this season, we can only imagine the righteous indignation of, say, Steeler fans at the seeing their uni rendered in—horror or horrors—the colors of Patriot throwbacks.
Well, screw ’em, it would be fun. LOL
Come to think of it, listening to any such whining would be more entertaining than the game itself. Although, so would warmed up Chinese take-out.
Better yet, just have the Offensive and Defensive Rookies of Year play the game in Madden.
“Live from Dayton, Ohio…Percy Harvin and his lightning-fast thumbs lead the NFC…”
Now THAT’s great TV.
(Pass the Kung Pow Chicken, willya?)
—Ricko
Not dissing Madden, The Jeff; dissing the lameness the Pro Bowl become. ;)
I didn’t mind the Bears and Steelers 1994 throwbacks. They were, after all, based on actual jerseys. The collision of old styles with new was a bit arresting, though.
The ones that looked the strangest were the Packers with the plain yellow gold helmets and same-color shoulder yokes (cuz those actual teams didn’t wear such helmets, of course).
May have looked okay in person, but on TV the ’94 Packers looked a lot the the guy seated here…
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—Ricko
So, The Jeff, you think these were a little…busy?
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Definitely a parallel to these ’96 beauties, yes…
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—Ricko
Dynamite piece today, LI.
As someone who quit watching this joke about 20 years ago, I missed out on the recent beauties being worn by our all-stars. Here’s my thought: do away with the game entirely. But it’s easy to shoot holes in something, so what’s an alternative? Since you asked:
Continue to name two all conference teams each year.
Give each player a check: publicize any charitable contributions the player may make in lieu of said check (I guess the League could provide the money, but don’t players get bonuses from their individual teams for making these all-star teams already?)
Create a glossy, collector’s item type magazine (or e-zine) that would contain the folowing:
A group shot of each starting 11 (plus special teamers) wearing his home uniform, ala Look Magazine for the college All-America teams back in the day.
A cool piece of football related artwork for the cover.
For the uni-folk, create new uniforms each year, purchasable of course. Have them modeled (in the 2 center pages) by the female models du jour, with giant breasts that can barely be contained by the collar and short hems that barely drop below their Brazilian wax. A henna tattoo of the manufacturer’s logo completes the look.
Headshots of the entire teams, with pertinent info, etc.
Plenty of advertising.
Anyway, just some thoughts….man. I miss the Playoff Bowl.
:)
The Jeff said…
“Actually it started in 1994. We can blame it on the Shoemaker-Levy comet that hit Jupiter in July that year.”
There was a disruption in our solar system’s largest planet, eh? Which already was a swirling mass of gas.
Yup, I think we can say that relates to the NFL.
—Ricko
Awesome post today, Phil. Best thing about it? No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.
Oh, wait. There’s a Bears tweak. Maybe it’s my turn today.
[quote comment=”375157″]Awesome post today, Phil. Best thing about it? No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.
Oh, wait. There’s a Bears tweak. Maybe it’s my turn today.[/quote]
Let’s hope.
[quote comment=”375157″] No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.[/quote]
the best part of the deadskins tweaks are leon’s critiques
Good job Ronnie on the Saints tweak, that simple change would make a significant difference. As opposed to a stripe that doesn’t match the rest of their uni, and has that “lets just steal from the Steelers” look, it would make the Saints uniform it’s own.
It’s funny how the Steelers seems to envoke the most replications (Iowa, the Saints pants) – no one seems to want to Cowboys ? – am I wrong with that?
Was gonna commend Phil on yesterday’s post.
Glad I didn’t, cuz now can commend him on a really outstanding weekend altogether.
The guy puts in a pisspot full of work and, personally, I love the ones with a historical perspective. And, of course, both yesterday and today delivered on that in spades.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375160″]Good job Ronnie on the Saints tweak, that simple change would make a significant difference. As opposed to a stripe that doesn’t match the rest of their uni, and has that “lets just steal from the Steelers” look, it would make the Saints uniform it’s own.
It’s funny how the Steelers seems to envoke the most replications (Iowa, the Saints pants) – no one seems to want to Cowboys ? – am I wrong with that?[/quote]
Kansas State about the only one I can think of quickly. And UNLV, kinda sorta, during the Randall Cunningham years (both swapping the blue for another color, of course).
Which brings me to something I’ve long noticed. It seems that, percentage-wise, a whole lot fewer NCAA teams use silver helmets and pants than the pros (was that way even moreso before the Seahawks went to their current set).
—Ricko
re: Saints tweak.
Yeah, sometimes a “tweak” really is all that’s needed. Back when Phil and I were working up the comp sleeves stuff, we had the same thoughts about the Saints: Standardize the gold and lose the solid black pants stripe. stripe. link
And, with the compression shirt stripes added…
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—Ricko
Guess the game is a 3-foot putt.
Super Bowl XXXVIII, Reliant Stadium in Houston; Feb 1, 2004. NE 32, CAR 29.
My guess is that this photo was snapped sometime in between the world’s most famous “wardrobe malfunction” and the start of the 3rd Quarter.
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Have a nice Sunday everyone.
Just got to see yesterday’s column, a great one.
The old ballpark with all the room behind the plate was Forbes Field.
WW 2 prevented the Browns from moving to Los Angeles, and there were serious plans to bring them to New York as a 4th team just after that war. They would have played in a new ballpark in the area that eventually became Shea Stadium.
Incidentally, Veeck bought the Browns in 1951 and Busch bought the Cardinals in 1953. By 1954 the Browns were the Orioles.
The Polo Grounds was a better place to watch a game than the photos suggest, especially because the background, a green wall, meant you were not likely to be looking st sunlit shirts all game long, as was the case at Ebbets Field and Yankee Stadium.
[quote comment=”375163″]re: Saints tweak.
Yeah, sometimes a “tweak” really is all that’s needed. Back when Phil and I were working up the comp sleeves stuff, we had the same thoughts about the Saints: Standardize the gold and lose the solid black pants stripe. stripe. link
And, with the compression shirt stripes added…
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—Ricko[/quote]
here’s all the saints tweaks i did (ricko awesomely added his own signature ‘comp sleeves’ to one of them)
“Remember the “Reebok Pump”? Yeah, I don’t either.”
Actually, Reebok still uses the pump in their hockey skates. Back in the early 1990’s CCM used it in their Tacks skates and it’s managed to stick around-
[quote comment=”375159″][quote comment=”375157″] No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.[/quote]
the best part of the deadskins tweaks are leon’s critiques[/quote]
Well, here’s a nice little tidbit that might, at least, get Leon’s juices flowin’.
At the mention of Chief Joseph’s name in Phil’s UniTweaks column yesterday, and his supposed connection to the Redskins logo(dreamcatcher side portrait). Yes, this Chief has an association to football and Washington, however, it wasn’t Washington DC, yet, Washington State and the Huskies. link
Now, going back to the Redskins logo(dreamcatcher side portrait). I still believe that was based off of Lombardi’s dreamcatcher R logo, and Fraser’s composite portrait on the Indian head nickel.
[quote comment=”375149″]This is beating a dead horse here, but I hate how the McDonald’s logo has now crept into the Pro Bowl logo.[/quote]
I’ll bite. This is what we’re talking about right?
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[quote comment=”375163″]re: Saints tweak.
Yeah, sometimes a “tweak” really is all that’s needed. Back when Phil and I were working up the comp sleeves stuff, we had the same thoughts about the Saints: Standardize the gold and lose the solid black pants stripe. stripe. link
And, with the compression shirt stripes added…
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—Ricko[/quote]
Looks like I was channeling Ricko
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Fantastic write-up on the Pro Bowl Uni history Phil!
Great Post.
I learned something about myself. In general I am a uni traditionalist, but for some reason, i don’t mind the probowl experimentation. I even like it.
yes, they’re mostly aesthetic atrocities and make it impossible to take seriously, an already laughable game and were any of those designs to be attempted on a real team, i’d complain like my grandfather in a restaurant, and were that team my local 53, i’d see if i could organize some sort of sit-in or hunger strike. But in this meaningless game, a fun, test kitchen atmosphere seems fitting.
I would, however enjoy once in a while, a throwback style probowl, where the designs were just as reactionary as the current ones are radical.
adam
[quote comment=”375170″][quote comment=”375149″]This is beating a dead horse here, but I hate how the McDonald’s logo has now crept into the Pro Bowl logo.[/quote]
I’ll bite. This is what we’re talking about right?
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im not sure the “official” pro bowl logo includes the mickey d’s creep…i’ve only seen it on espn commercials and on the espn website
it’s being called something like “mc donalds presents” or some other nausea-inducing cobranding
“B — Make the uniforms a red/white/blue version of the previous year’s Superbowl teams.”
thats actually a really cool idea. phil, you haven’t photoshopped that yet? lol
also, thanks for the “flat tyler” shout out! i’ll forward him the link, they’ll be thrilled he made the blog!
Did anyone note the death of Tom Brookshier Friday?
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Before there was Madden and Summerall, there was Brookshier and Summerall.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375168″]”Remember the “Reebok Pump”? Yeah, I don’t either.”
Actually, Reebok still uses the pump in their hockey skates. Back in the early 1990’s CCM used it in their Tacks skates and it’s managed to stick around-[/quote]
Two of my defensemen wear the Reebok pump skates and absolutely love them. They say it helps keep the skates tight around the ankle bone as they loosen during the course of a game.
Loved the Pro Bowl as a kid in the early 80’s. I loved uniforms, so I loved seeing white/red vs. the blue/white, with the different array of helmets.
I loved seeing how crazy the Browns and Bengals players looked with their orange helmet paired with the AFC set. Plus, I always liked how the Packers yellow helmet looked with the NFC gear.
Those three teams, and the silver helmeted ones always stood out to me.
95 on? Screw em!
Great article today Phil.
Let’s not ignore the elephant in the room – even if the Pro Bowl didn’t have dozens of no-shows and they wore perfectly designed uniforms, nobody would watch because the football is atrocious and unwatchable.
A fast hard-hitting sport played slowly and without hitting? There’s a reason nobody watches.
[quote comment=”375179″]Great article today Phil.
Let’s not ignore the elephant in the room – even if the Pro Bowl didn’t have dozens of no-shows and they wore perfectly designed uniforms, nobody would watch because the football is atrocious and unwatchable.
A fast hard-hitting sport played slowly and without hitting? There’s a reason nobody watches.[/quote]
Like the NBA ASG with little or no defense.
[quote comment=”375180″][quote comment=”375179″]Great article today Phil.
Let’s not ignore the elephant in the room – even if the Pro Bowl didn’t have dozens of no-shows and they wore perfectly designed uniforms, nobody would watch because the football is atrocious and unwatchable.
A fast hard-hitting sport played slowly and without hitting? There’s a reason nobody watches.[/quote]
Like the NBA ASG with little or no defense.[/quote]
actually…
wanna make the pro-bowl matter? kinda do what MLB does — give the winner of the game the football (or choice to receive) for a super bowl overtime (if we ever have one)
/this was only semi-serious, btw
//nfl overtime…now there’s something else that needs fixin, dunnit?
[quote comment=”375180″][quote comment=”375179″]Great article today Phil.
Let’s not ignore the elephant in the room – even if the Pro Bowl didn’t have dozens of no-shows and they wore perfectly designed uniforms, nobody would watch because the football is atrocious and unwatchable.
A fast hard-hitting sport played slowly and without hitting? There’s a reason nobody watches.[/quote]
Like the NBA ASG with little or no defense.[/quote]
The NBA still has defense?
[quote comment=”375179″]Great article today Phil.
Let’s not ignore the elephant in the room – even if the Pro Bowl didn’t have dozens of no-shows and they wore perfectly designed uniforms, nobody would watch because the football is atrocious and unwatchable.
A fast hard-hitting sport played slowly and without hitting? There’s a reason nobody watches.[/quote]
If I hadn’t read todays article I would have assumed you were commenting on the UFL
[quote comment=”375182″][quote comment=”375180″][quote comment=”375179″]Great article today Phil.
Let’s not ignore the elephant in the room – even if the Pro Bowl didn’t have dozens of no-shows and they wore perfectly designed uniforms, nobody would watch because the football is atrocious and unwatchable.
A fast hard-hitting sport played slowly and without hitting? There’s a reason nobody watches.[/quote]
Like the NBA ASG with little or no defense.[/quote]
The NBA still has defense?[/quote]
Intentional fouls in the last 30 seconds counts as defense, doesn’t it?
[quote comment=”375181″][quote comment=”375180″][quote comment=”375179″]Great article today Phil.
Let’s not ignore the elephant in the room – even if the Pro Bowl didn’t have dozens of no-shows and they wore perfectly designed uniforms, nobody would watch because the football is atrocious and unwatchable.
A fast hard-hitting sport played slowly and without hitting? There’s a reason nobody watches.[/quote]
Like the NBA ASG with little or no defense.[/quote]
actually…
wanna make the pro-bowl matter? kinda do what MLB does — give the winner of the game the football (or choice to receive) for a super bowl overtime (if we ever have one)
/this was only semi-serious, btw
//nfl overtime…now there’s something else that needs fixin, dunnit?[/quote]
Just make it a tie-breaker of sorts. Each team gets to kick field goals from the 50yd line, alternating until someone hits one, or someone misses
[quote comment=”375181″][quote comment=”375180″][quote comment=”375179″]Great article today Phil.
Let’s not ignore the elephant in the room – even if the Pro Bowl didn’t have dozens of no-shows and they wore perfectly designed uniforms, nobody would watch because the football is atrocious and unwatchable.
A fast hard-hitting sport played slowly and without hitting? There’s a reason nobody watches.[/quote]
Like the NBA ASG with little or no defense.[/quote]
actually…
wanna make the pro-bowl matter? kinda do what MLB does — give the winner of the game the football (or choice to receive) for a super bowl overtime (if we ever have one)
/this was only semi-serious, btw
//nfl overtime…now there’s something else that needs fixin, dunnit?[/quote]
Simplest OT fix? Neither team can attempt a FG until its second possession of the OT.
Yeah, the team that loses the toss might get pinned deep the first time, but beats hell out of losing without ever having the ball.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375150″]
So what was happening on Earth (or in the heavens) in 1995 that would cause such a drastic collective leaving of football sensibilities?
1995. Hmmmm…what, oh, what, could it have been?
—Ricko[/quote]
The internet? Because with it came the breakdown of all well-informed authority. At least that’s what it says on Wiki.
[quote comment=”375187″][quote comment=”375150″]
So what was happening on Earth (or in the heavens) in 1995 that would cause such a drastic collective leaving of football sensibilities?
1995. Hmmmm…what, oh, what, could it have been?
—Ricko[/quote]
The internet? Because with it came the breakdown of all well-informed authority. At least that’s what it says on Wiki.[/quote]
That theory has merit. CBS’ Bob Schieffer has described the Internet as “the nation’s watercooler”.
Pretty damned accurate.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375176″]Did anyone note the death of Tom Brookshier Friday?
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Before there was Madden and Summerall, there was Brookshier and Summerall.
—Ricko[/quote]
They were the best: and both ex-players.
As usual Phil, you have done a great job with the entry.
I am so UN-interested in the Pro Bowl that I might
finally get out to see Avatar this evening.
[quote comment=”375159″][quote comment=”375157″] No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.[/quote]
the best part of the deadskins tweaks are leon’s critiques[/quote]
You used the “D WORD”!
At least I’ll have someone to chat with at my hanging, drawing & quartering at FedEx…
re: Today’s lead photo.
It is VERY odd to see Fran Tarkenton in a white helmet.
—Ricko
I recently watched the movie The Replacements and have been re watching the ESPN drama Playmakers… i noticed that a same set of unis was used… there is a team in both movie and show that use a team ( san diego in the replacements…) they have a gold uni with a darker gold stripe down the leg.
[quote comment=”375159″][quote comment=”375157″] No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.[/quote]
the best part of the deadskins tweaks are leon’s critiques[/quote]
…just had a weird thought about one of the Redskins old logos. The old letter in a circle with the feather logo… the R for Redskins instead of a W for Washington. Has any other team ever used a logo with a letter that didn’t represent the team’s home city?
It’s time. Drop this game.
Announce the Pro Bowlers and be done with it.
[quote comment=”375194″][quote comment=”375159″][quote comment=”375157″] No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.[/quote]
the best part of the deadskins tweaks are leon’s critiques[/quote]
…just had a weird thought about one of the Redskins old logos. The old letter in a circle with the feather logo… the R for Redskins instead of a W for Washington. Has any other team ever used a logo with a letter that didn’t represent the team’s home city?[/quote]
Once upon a time, the Jets and Giants had ten letters between them on their helmets, none of which are N or Y.
(While I’m on a wise-ass roll, let’s throw in the Bengals too.)
[quote comment=”375194″][quote comment=”375159″][quote comment=”375157″] No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.[/quote]
the best part of the deadskins tweaks are leon’s critiques[/quote]
…just had a weird thought about one of the Redskins old logos. The old letter in a circle with the feather logo… the R for Redskins instead of a W for Washington. Has any other team ever used a logo with a letter that didn’t represent the team’s home city?[/quote]
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[quote comment=”375194″][quote comment=”375159″][quote comment=”375157″] No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.[/quote]
the best part of the deadskins tweaks are leon’s critiques[/quote]
…just had a weird thought about one of the Redskins old logos. The old letter in a circle with the feather logo… the R for Redskins instead of a W for Washington. Has any other team ever used a logo with a letter that didn’t represent the team’s home city?[/quote]
Three that come to mind that weren’t in the NFL are the Chicago Rush and Detroit Fury of the Arena Football League and the Ottawa Roughriders of the CFL.
And the Arizona Rattlers
Here is a picture of the Rush versus the Rattlers
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[quote comment=”375196″][quote comment=”375194″][quote comment=”375159″][quote comment=”375157″] No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.[/quote]
the best part of the deadskins tweaks are leon’s critiques[/quote]
…just had a weird thought about one of the Redskins old logos. The old letter in a circle with the feather logo… the R for Redskins instead of a W for Washington. Has any other team ever used a logo with a letter that didn’t represent the team’s home city?[/quote]
Once upon a time, the Jets and Giants had ten letters between them on their helmets, none of which are N or Y.
(While I’m on a wise-ass roll, let’s throw in the Bengals too.)[/quote]
You know, I thought about saying “excluding using full team names like the Jets or Giants”.
In either case, let me rephrase it to primary logo, since I totally forgot about both the Bengals and Browns each having a secondary B logo.
Here is the Detroit Fury helmet
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and the Ottawa Roughriders
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Didn’t Denver Crush have a “C”?
Great write up on the history of the Pro Bowl.
One item I was looking for or mentioned in the Pro Bowl article was something I remember, or I think I remember. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I remember a time (maybe late ’60s or early 70’s) when the Super Bowl Champions would take on a All Star team made up of College Seniors. What was that game called and what happen to it?
[quote comment=”375200″][quote comment=”375196″][quote comment=”375194″][quote comment=”375159″][quote comment=”375157″] No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.[/quote]
the best part of the deadskins tweaks are leon’s critiques[/quote]
…just had a weird thought about one of the Redskins old logos. The old letter in a circle with the feather logo… the R for Redskins instead of a W for Washington. Has any other team ever used a logo with a letter that didn’t represent the team’s home city?[/quote]
Once upon a time, the Jets and Giants had ten letters between them on their helmets, none of which are N or Y.
(While I’m on a wise-ass roll, let’s throw in the Bengals too.)[/quote]
You know, I thought about saying “excluding using full team names like the Jets or Giants”.
In either case, let me rephrase it to primary logo, since I totally forgot about both the Bengals and Browns each having a secondary B logo.[/quote]
Well, all kidding aside, and staying in the same geographic region, the NY/NJ Hitmen of the XFL qualify. Their logo was a H stylized to look like a portion of the GW Bridge.
[quote comment=”375189″][quote comment=”375176″]Did anyone note the death of Tom Brookshier Friday?
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Before there was Madden and Summerall, there was Brookshier and Summerall.
—Ricko[/quote]
They were the best: and both ex-players.[/quote]
Yep for sure, and even more remarkable considering they were both getting halfed sauced in the booth – different era.
[quote comment=”375194″][quote comment=”375159″][quote comment=”375157″] No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.[/quote]
the best part of the deadskins tweaks are leon’s critiques[/quote]
…just had a weird thought about one of the Redskins old logos. The old letter in a circle with the feather logo… the R for Redskins instead of a W for Washington. Has any other team ever used a logo with a letter that didn’t represent the team’s home city?[/quote]
re: Skins helmet logo (“R” and otherwise).
It’s a drumhead, not a dreamcatcher.
You could look it up.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375202″]Didn’t Denver Crush have a “C”?[/quote]
I think they were the Colorado Crush… unless you’re talking about a different team.
Apparently it’s not as rare of a phenomenon as I first thought. If the arena league had ever been televised more I’d have probably remembered a few of those. Ah well.
[quote comment=”375207″][quote comment=”375202″]Didn’t Denver Crush have a “C”?[/quote]
I think they were the Colorado Crush… unless you’re talking about a different team.
Apparently it’s not as rare of a phenomenon as I first thought. If the arena league had ever been televised more I’d have probably remembered a few of those. Ah well.[/quote]
They certainly were, and I realized it right after I read my own post, so I guess would be either Colorado or Crush, couldn’t it (insert forehead smack).
And, btw, the “drumhead/dreamcatcher” note was a general reference, not aimed at you, The Jeff.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375202″]Didn’t Denver Crush have a “C”?[/quote]
They were the Colorado Crush (even though they played in Denver). The C could have been either I guess.
[quote comment=”375207″][quote comment=”375202″]Didn’t Denver Crush have a “C”?[/quote]
I think they were the Colorado Crush… unless you’re talking about a different team.
Apparently it’s not as rare of a phenomenon as I first thought. If the arena league had ever been televised more I’d have probably remembered a few of those. Ah well.[/quote]
Don’t feel bad Ricko. I had season tickets to the Fury and watched every game available on DirecTV and forgot about the Rattlers having the R on their helmet, and I even seen them play in person.
[quote comment=”375210″][quote comment=”375207″][quote comment=”375202″]Didn’t Denver Crush have a “C”?[/quote]
I think they were the Colorado Crush… unless you’re talking about a different team.
Apparently it’s not as rare of a phenomenon as I first thought. If the arena league had ever been televised more I’d have probably remembered a few of those. Ah well.[/quote]
Don’t feel bad Ricko. I had season tickets to the Fury and watched every game available on DirecTV and forgot about the Rattlers having the R on their helmet, and I even seen them play in person.[/quote]
Opps, I meant The Jeff.
[quote comment=”375198″][quote comment=”375194″][quote comment=”375159″][quote comment=”375157″] No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.[/quote]
the best part of the deadskins tweaks are leon’s critiques[/quote]
…just had a weird thought about one of the Redskins old logos. The old letter in a circle with the feather logo… the R for Redskins instead of a W for Washington. Has any other team ever used a logo with a letter that didn’t represent the team’s home city?[/quote]
Three that come to mind that weren’t in the NFL are the Chicago Rush and Detroit Fury of the Arena Football League and the Ottawa Roughriders of the CFL.[/quote]
Also the Houston Gamblers of the USFL; their logo was a “G” with the state of Texas carved out (excellent use of negative space, as many on this board have pointed out). The Arizona Wranglers logo had a “W” at the end of a branding iron; an excellent logo on a team with an excellent color scheme.
I think the Bengals have a secondary logo with a “B”, but not sure if they still use it. The Browns might have had one too.
Examples in other sports: Athletics (“A” or “A’s”), Angels “A” (except the years they were known as Anaheim), Blue Jays’ current logo (“J”), Diamondbacks’ current “DB” and former “D”-shaped snake; the SF Giants’ alternate “G” logo, the old Seattle Mariners’ trident “M”, the Orioles’ alternate “O’s”, the Indians’ alternate “I”, Anaheim Ducks (“D”), Canadiens (“C/H”), Canucks (“C”-shaped hockey rink), Avalanche (“A”), Blue Jackets (“B/J”).
did the AFL (arena, not american) ever have a game for playstation?
[quote comment=”375206″][quote comment=”375194″][quote comment=”375159″][quote comment=”375157″] No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.[/quote]
the best part of the deadskins tweaks are leon’s critiques[/quote]
…just had a weird thought about one of the Redskins old logos. The old letter in a circle with the feather logo… the R for Redskins instead of a W for Washington. Has any other team ever used a logo with a letter that didn’t represent the team’s home city?[/quote]
re: Skins helmet logo (“R” and otherwise).
It’s a drumhead, not a dreamcatcher.
You could look it up.
—Ricko[/quote]
I’d never heard it called a “dreamcatcher” either (I think of that as more of a 1990’s New Age term) – it was always “the circle with the feather”, but I was afraid to say anything else…
RIP to Brookshier – he was one of my favorites when I was a kid.
[quote comment=”375213″]did the AFL (arena, not american) ever have a game for playstation?[/quote]
1 on the original playstation, 2 on the PS2. They weren’t very good though. Madden-like graphics, but the gameplay didn’t feel right at all.
[quote comment=”375213″]did the AFL (arena, not american) ever have a game for playstation?[/quote]
Yes they had 2
Arena Football
and
Arena Football: Road to Glory
Both games were OK, they screwed up the 1 minute timing rules but other than that it was good.
Hmm..
I like the article on the Pro-Bowl uniforms, though with the way it seems to be completely ignored, I think I might have found an appropriate sponsor for the Pro-Bowl..
Call it the Ty-d-Bol.
Or not..
[quote comment=”375212″][quote comment=”375198″][quote comment=”375194″][quote comment=”375159″][quote comment=”375157″] No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.[/quote]
the best part of the deadskins tweaks are leon’s critiques[/quote]
…just had a weird thought about one of the Redskins old logos. The old letter in a circle with the feather logo… the R for Redskins instead of a W for Washington. Has any other team ever used a logo with a letter that didn’t represent the team’s home city?[/quote]
Three that come to mind that weren’t in the NFL are the Chicago Rush and Detroit Fury of the Arena Football League and the Ottawa Roughriders of the CFL.[/quote]
Also the Houston Gamblers of the USFL; their logo was a “G” with the state of Texas carved out (excellent use of negative space, as many on this board have pointed out). The Arizona Wranglers logo had a “W” at the end of a branding iron; an excellent logo on a team with an excellent color scheme.
I think the Bengals have a secondary logo with a “B”, but not sure if they still use it. The Browns might have had one too.
Examples in other sports: Athletics (“A” or “A’s”), Angels “A” (except the years they were known as Anaheim), Blue Jays’ current logo (“J”), Diamondbacks’ current “DB” and former “D”-shaped snake; the SF Giants’ alternate “G” logo, the old Seattle Mariners’ trident “M”, the Orioles’ alternate “O’s”, the Indians’ alternate “I”, Anaheim Ducks (“D”), Canadiens (“C/H”), Canucks (“C”-shaped hockey rink), Avalanche (“A”), Blue Jackets (“B/J”).[/quote]
The Norfolk Tides (AAA IL – Orioles) have a stylized “T” on their hats (of course they used to be the Tidewater Tides – so I guess it’s a hold-over).
Not sure if it counts but the Halas-era Bears had a coaches hat with a cursive “B” and the ***skins had those cool maroon coaches caps with an “R” (there are modern Reebok versions, of course).
[quote comment=”375215″][quote comment=”375213″]did the AFL (arena, not american) ever have a game for playstation?[/quote]
1 on the original playstation, 2 on the PS2. They weren’t very good though. Madden-like graphics, but the gameplay didn’t feel right at all.[/quote]
The one for the original playstation sucked. It was an arcade style game with only six guys on the field and was a NFL Blitz style game. It was Kurt Warner Arena Football or something like that.
I always liked watching the Pro Bowl as a kid, for reasons already mentioned on the board (seeing all the different helmets playing together seemed cool to me). I’ve been suggesting for 20 years that if they HAVE to have the extra week before the Super Bowl, they should play the Pro Bowl then to at least fill in the gap, because after the Super Bowl, no one wants to watch football anymore.
The first argument I’d usually get was, what about the players on the Super Bowl teams? They’d have to be excluded, obviously, and on balance I didn’t think they’d really mind. Do the players on either Super Bowl team really want to play again the next week?
If anyone could get past the idea that you could play the Pro Bowl without the SB teams’ players (which a lot of people couldn’t), the next argument was that the owners wouldn’t want to do it because if you exclude the SB guys, you have to replace them, and you then have more players with “Pro Bowl” on their résumé, which means higher salaries. It’s a point, but far from a deal-breaker.
Ultimately, the discussion always disintegrated into “nobody cares about the Pro Bowl anyway,” which is probably true for fans, players, coaches and NFL executives alike. I don’t think anyone really likes it or pays too much attention to it. My point has always been that it could be a little less pointless and draw a little more interest if it was played before the Super Bowl and not after. You have a way to fill the gap in that extra week, you don’t have the Super Bowl hangover, you give the fans a chance to see their favorite players one more time before the season ends.
They’re never going to play the Pro Bowl in mid-season like the other sports do; that would be a very bad idea. And I doubt the NFL will ever decide to just not have an All-Star game at all. The only other option I can think of would be to have it at the beginning or the end of preseason, e.g., the Hall of Fame Game. As it is, though, if the Pro Bowl has to be postseason, I think having it the week before the Super Bowl is better (or, if you prefer, slightly less bad) than having it the week after.
Just my $.02.
Now, the uniforms, that an whole other issue….
[quote comment=”375214″][quote comment=”375206″][quote comment=”375194″][quote comment=”375159″][quote comment=”375157″] No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.[/quote]
the best part of the deadskins tweaks are leon’s critiques[/quote]
…just had a weird thought about one of the Redskins old logos. The old letter in a circle with the feather logo… the R for Redskins instead of a W for Washington. Has any other team ever used a logo with a letter that didn’t represent the team’s home city?[/quote]
re: Skins helmet logo (“R” and otherwise).
It’s a drumhead, not a dreamcatcher.
You could look it up.
—Ricko[/quote]
I’d never heard it called a “dreamcatcher” either (I think of that as more of a 1990’s New Age term) – it was always “the circle with the feather”, but I was afraid to say anything else…
RIP to Brookshier – he was one of my favorites when I was a kid.[/quote]
“I was afraid to say anything else…” *lol*
See what you did leon.
Circle with the feather it is, aka dreamcatcher. Not sure what the old indian name is? I like the drumhead theory, makes sense. However, reminds me more of a dreamcatcher. Yet, usually there is some webbing within the circle, so, a drumhead with the Cheif’s portrait holds strong.
I can’t find a picture but the Washington/Marland Commandos had a “C” on their helmet.
And the Pittsburgh Gladitors had this
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The Orlando Predators had this
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The New Jersey/Las Vegas/Cleveland Gladitors had this
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[quote comment=”375150″]1995 for these, eh?
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Man, hard to believe it’s been 15 years since football unis started going dopey.
I have long tended to blame everything going to hell on the Moon Rocks. Yup, since they brought those babiess back in 1969 the world has just gone…weird. But, I dunno, this football bizarreness not beginning til ’95 is a pretty delayed reaction.
So what was happening on Earth (or in the heavens) in 1995 that would cause such a drastic collective leaving of football sensibilities?
Is something to ponder on a Sunday morning.
Let’s all put on our Thinking Caps, shall we.
1995. Hmmmm…what, oh, what, could it have been?
—Ricko[/quote]
I got married in ’93, so it ain’t my fault…
A lot of very, very bad things happened uni-wise in the 90s. I’m sure some of it started before ’95, but I’ll figure that out after I read today’s article.
Oooh, this could be one thing…CFL expansion into the U.S. As much as I liked the idea at the time, that was when we started seeing some really bad unis:
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More than a comment on the Pro Bowl this is evidence that this guy is about this close (thumb and forefinger an inch apart) to playing himself out of the league. Or at least out of a purple uniform.
If he doesn’t get his act together pronto, that is.
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–Ricko
[quote comment=”375148″]Here’s a few ideas that will never happen for “fixing” the Pro Bowl.
A – limit the number of players per team that can be selected. If it’s something like a maximum of 5 per team, then you don’t have as bad of an issue with Superbowl players not playing.
B – Make the uniforms a red/white/blue version of the previous year’s Superbowl teams. Granted, some of those uniforms would be a bit weird too… but it’d probably be better than all the stars and oddity we get now.[/quote]
I remember how they wore the plain blue or plain red. Those were fine.
But the way to fix the Pro Bowl is to cancel it.
It’s day has come and gone.
dreamcatcher?
drumhead?
i believe it was mike princip who first made reference to the “dreamcatcher”…and im not sure it’s definitely not the inspiration
here’s a look at the dreamcatcher (l), and drumhead and the logo, juxtaposed
im not saying it was the dreamcatcher that was used for inspiration, but it could have been…course it could also be the drumhead, or even the buffalo nickel
i’d be very interested in knowing if there is a definitive source for the “inspiration”…anyone?
[quote comment=”375218″][quote comment=”375212″][quote comment=”375198″][quote comment=”375194″][quote comment=”375159″][quote comment=”375157″] No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.[/quote]
the best part of the deadskins tweaks are leon’s critiques[/quote]
…just had a weird thought about one of the Redskins old logos. The old letter in a circle with the feather logo… the R for Redskins instead of a W for Washington. Has any other team ever used a logo with a letter that didn’t represent the team’s home city?[/quote]
Three that come to mind that weren’t in the NFL are the Chicago Rush and Detroit Fury of the Arena Football League and the Ottawa Roughriders of the CFL.[/quote]
Also the Houston Gamblers of the USFL; their logo was a “G” with the state of Texas carved out (excellent use of negative space, as many on this board have pointed out). The Arizona Wranglers logo had a “W” at the end of a branding iron; an excellent logo on a team with an excellent color scheme.
I think the Bengals have a secondary logo with a “B”, but not sure if they still use it. The Browns might have had one too.
Examples in other sports: Athletics (“A” or “A’s”), Angels “A” (except the years they were known as Anaheim), Blue Jays’ current logo (“J”), Diamondbacks’ current “DB” and former “D”-shaped snake; the SF Giants’ alternate “G” logo, the old Seattle Mariners’ trident “M”, the Orioles’ alternate “O’s”, the Indians’ alternate “I”, Anaheim Ducks (“D”), Canadiens (“C/H”), Canucks (“C”-shaped hockey rink), Avalanche (“A”), Blue Jackets (“B/J”).[/quote]
The Norfolk Tides (AAA IL – Orioles) have a stylized “T” on their hats (of course they used to be the Tidewater Tides – so I guess it’s a hold-over).
Not sure if it counts but the Halas-era Bears had a coaches hat with a cursive “B” and the ***skins had those cool maroon coaches caps with an “R” (there are modern Reebok versions, of course).[/quote]
Atlanta Falcons do on one side of their helmet.
[quote comment=”375221″][quote comment=”375214″][quote comment=”375206″][quote comment=”375194″][quote comment=”375159″][quote comment=”375157″] No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.[/quote]
the best part of the deadskins tweaks are leon’s critiques[/quote]
…just had a weird thought about one of the Redskins old logos. The old letter in a circle with the feather logo… the R for Redskins instead of a W for Washington. Has any other team ever used a logo with a letter that didn’t represent the team’s home city?[/quote]
re: Skins helmet logo (“R” and otherwise).
It’s a drumhead, not a dreamcatcher.
You could look it up.
—Ricko[/quote]
I’d never heard it called a “dreamcatcher” either (I think of that as more of a 1990’s New Age term) – it was always “the circle with the feather”, but I was afraid to say anything else…
RIP to Brookshier – he was one of my favorites when I was a kid.[/quote]
“I was afraid to say anything else…” *lol*
See what you did leon.
Circle with the feather it is, aka dreamcatcher. Not sure what the old indian name is? I like the drumhead theory, makes sense. However, reminds me more of a dreamcatcher. Yet, usually there is some webbing within the circle, so, a drumhead with the Cheif’s portrait holds strong.[/quote]
Agree that it LOOKS like a dreamcatcher, but it’s described as a drumhead on, I believe, the Redskins’ website. Certainly the “R” version was conceived as a drumhead. May have morphed into something else later on.
—Ricko
Today’s link.
This was filed under Artificial Grass at Houston Stadium.
Obviously it’s Astroturf at the Astrodome, but I don’t get what’s going on here. Like why is he standing in a hole and what’s with the metal fixture.
There are only four photos in the set and they’re all essentially the same. Good view of the dome’s roof, though.
[quote comment=”375223″] I’ll figure that out after I read today’s article.
Oooh, this could be one thing…CFL expansion into the U.S. [/quote]
perhaps if you had, ya know, read the article first… ;)
[quote comment=”375176″]Did anyone note the death of Tom Brookshier Friday?
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Before there was Madden and Summerall, there was Brookshier and Summerall.
—Ricko[/quote]
You bet I did. This week in the NFL, saturday mornings with Tom and Pat. GREAT show.
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PS-check it out:
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[quote comment=”375176″]Did anyone note the death of Tom Brookshier Friday?
link
Before there was Madden and Summerall, there was Brookshier and Summerall.
—Ricko[/quote]
Last night I noticed that:
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Took me a couple of years to warm up to Madden. Pat and Tom were always a treat.
I’ve wondered about the “R” on the helmet too. Although Lombardi changed the unis to resemble the Packers, he didn’t live to see the re-designed helmets. His one and only year of coaching the skins, they wore the spear helmets (although they were a lighter burgundy that one year only to match the new unis, which were manufactured in a lighter hue). One wonders if the decision to use “R” over “W” involved him at all because of his untimely death. Perhaps it was an “oh, shit” moment and “R” was hastily decided upon prior to the 1970 season. They were worn that year with Bill Austin as coach (maybe it was his decision) and in 1971, George Allen’s first season. As for the “Curly R” on the ball caps (burgundy), I am reminded of the “B” cap I have seen Lovie Smith and other chicago Bears wear.
[quote comment=”375230″][quote comment=”375223″] I’ll figure that out after I read today’s article.
Oooh, this could be one thing…CFL expansion into the U.S. [/quote]
perhaps if you had, ya know, read the article first… ;)[/quote]
Doin’ that after one more comment. This Week in The NFL – glad to see that’s on youtube. When I had ESPN Classic I taped six hours of that stuff. Great memories of my childhood Saturday mornings.
Okay, talk amongst yourselves…I’m off to finally read.
Hey! It’s the link!
link.
dreamcatcher, scheamcather, drumhead, schumhead:
Lombardi’s idea was to make it reminsicent of the Green Bay logo, which always looked like a football to me, so it must be the Native American equivalent of an early frisbee.
But seriously, dream catcher sounds a little fey for a football logo, so I’d go with drumhead. …can’t imagine Lombardi saying dreamcatcher, unless referring to Charley Taylor.
:)
[quote comment=”375235″]Hey! It’s the link!
link.[/quote]
They were the first to make a big deal out of their maracas, as I remember.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375236″]dream catcher sounds a little fey [/quote]
nothing wrong with a little fey now, is there?
Jesus Phil, that’s a lot of work on such a mediocre event like the Pro Bowl.
Do I remember the Reebok Pump? Hell yeah! For about 6 months early in 1991 I had them. Most expensive ($125) & worst piece of shit shoe I ever had. I was basically walking around barefoot in June when school ended. I had a white & royal blue hightops w/ orange basketball pump. I had a friend who had the tennis ball pump version. All I remember of those is they were plain white, the pump ball was fuzzy & it said “Firestone rubber” on the soles.
So my assumption stands: the 1990s were the worst thing to ever happen to sports.
link
[quote comment=”375238″][quote comment=”375236″]dream catcher sounds a little fey [/quote]
nothing wrong with a little link now, is there?[/quote]
link
[quote comment=”375233″]I’ve wondered about the “R” on the helmet too. Although Lombardi changed the unis to resemble the Packers, he didn’t live to see the re-designed helmets. His one and only year of coaching the skins, they wore the spear helmets (although they were a lighter burgundy that one year only to match the new unis, which were manufactured in a lighter hue). One wonders if the decision to use “R” over “W” involved him at all because of his untimely death. Perhaps it was an “oh, shit” moment and “R” was hastily decided upon prior to the 1970 season. They were worn that year with Bill Austin as coach (maybe it was his decision) and in 1971, George Allen’s first season. As for the “Curly R” on the ball caps (burgundy), I am reminded of the “B” cap I have seen Lovie Smith and other chicago Bears wear.[/quote]
Papa Bear in a “B” cap:
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and Lovie Smith:
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(available exclusively at da’Bears store)
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George Allen in a “R” cap:
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Joe Gibbs – 80’s vintage:
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and in Reebok redux:
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[quote comment=”375241″][quote comment=”375238″][quote comment=”375236″]dream catcher sounds a little fey [/quote]
nothing wrong with a little link now, is there?[/quote]
link[/quote]
He did seem to make himself disappear, though.
[quote comment=”375240″]link[/quote]
Let’s try that again:
link
[quote comment=”375229″]Today’s link.
This was filed under Artificial Grass at Houston Stadium.
Obviously it’s Astroturf at the Astrodome, but I don’t get what’s going on here. Like why is he standing in a hole and what’s with the metal fixture.
There are only four photos in the set and they’re all essentially the same. Good view of the dome’s roof, though.[/quote]
He’s relocating the pin position for day 2 of the Astrodome Par 3 Invitational.
[quote comment=”375168″]”Remember the “Reebok Pump”? Yeah, I don’t either.”
Actually, Reebok still uses the pump in their hockey skates. Back in the early 1990’s CCM used it in their Tacks skates and it’s managed to stick around-[/quote]
When I was in middle school, Reebok Pump was used as a torture device. During our many downtimes, we’d ambush some douche (which I would later become one as well) and just start mercilessly pumping the shoes to the point that the douche would scream out in pain. Damn those shoes hurt! Even pumped to a comfortable fit, eventually you’d cut off the circulation in the veins, the foot would go numb, and at the end of the day, a nice case of heat rash. Who ever designed the shoe obviously hated ventilation. Ah, early 1990s crap.
Papa Bear in a “B” cap:
link
and Lovie Smith:
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available exclusively from the Bears store:
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George Allen in a “R” cap:
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Joe Gibbs 1980’s:
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and in Reebok redux:
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Drums often has depicted as having feathers on them.
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link.jpg
Drat.
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[quote comment=”375194″][quote comment=”375159″][quote comment=”375157″] No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.[/quote]
the best part of the deadskins tweaks are leon’s critiques[/quote]
…just had a weird thought about one of the Redskins old logos. The old letter in a circle with the feather logo… the R for Redskins instead of a W for Washington. Has any other team ever used a logo with a letter that didn’t represent the team’s home city?[/quote]
pirates… lol
Ok fellas! This is a comment from the wife of Ben Traxel. I’m a teacher and I love Flat Stanley….glad to see you all branching out of your comfort zone. The Flat Stanley Project has been a favorite of mine for years. My students love it and our boys do too. Thanks for adding the Flat Tyler pics to the post today. This is the first time I’ve voluntarily visited the UW website without my husbands coersion. Go Flat Stanley! ;)
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link
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[quote comment=”375238″][quote comment=”375236″]dream catcher sounds a little fey [/quote]
nothing wrong with a little link now, is there?[/quote]
file that one under “airbrushed”!!!
[quote comment=”375251″]Ok fellas! This is a comment from the wife of Ben Traxel. I’m a teacher and I love Flat Stanley….glad to see you all branching out of your comfort zone. The Flat Stanley Project has been a favorite of mine for years. My students love it and our boys do too. Thanks for adding the Flat Tyler pics to the post today. This is the first time I’ve voluntarily visited the UW website without my husbands coersion. Go Flat Stanley! ;)[/quote]
ben is a very lucky man, that’s all im going to say…
i must admit, until ryan connelly forwarded me his e-mail, i’d never heard of flat “anyone”…but i think it’s a wonderful idea and im happy to have posted his pics
thanks for “letting” ben come play with us last weekend — he’s a great guy!
[quote comment=”375148″]Make the uniforms a red/white/blue version of the previous year’s Superbowl teams. Granted, some of those uniforms would be a bit weird too… but it’d probably be better than all the stars and oddity we get now.[/quote]
That’s not a bad idea. Good thinking.
“Exclusively?”
link
I was gonna mention seeing that hat in a Twin Cities suburban mall back while I was Christmas shopping, and forgot.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375254″]
i must admit, until ryan connelly forwarded me his e-mail, i’d never heard of flat “anyone”… [/quote]
You never saw that episode of “King of the Hill” when Nancy Gribble got a Flat Stanley as fanmail & Peggy decided to take it on a hardcore violent tour of Arlen? The teacher who sent it decided to end the program after getting Peggy’s gruesome pictures. LOL!
[quote comment=”375256″]”Exclusively?”
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I was gonna mention seeing that hat in a Twin Cities suburban mall back while I was Christmas shopping, and forgot.
—Ricko[/quote]
I guess not so exclusive (wow – with my batting average I could start for the Nationals), I’ve just never seen them at any other site or local hat shack.
BTW/OT – the wife and I are considering a move to MN within the next year, are Twins tickets hard to come by?
[quote comment=”375254″][quote comment=”375251″]Ok fellas! This is a comment from the wife of Ben Traxel. I’m a teacher and I love Flat Stanley….glad to see you all branching out of your comfort zone. The Flat Stanley Project has been a favorite of mine for years. My students love it and our boys do too. Thanks for adding the Flat Tyler pics to the post today. This is the first time I’ve voluntarily visited the UW website without my husbands coersion. Go Flat Stanley! ;)[/quote]
ben is a very lucky man, that’s all im going to say…
thanks for “letting” ben come play with us last weekend — he’s a great guy![/quote]
Indeed.
[quote comment=”375259″][quote comment=”375254″][quote comment=”375251″]Ok fellas! This is a comment from the wife of Ben Traxel. I’m a teacher and I love Flat Stanley….glad to see you all branching out of your comfort zone. The Flat Stanley Project has been a favorite of mine for years. My students love it and our boys do too. Thanks for adding the Flat Tyler pics to the post today. This is the first time I’ve voluntarily visited the UW website without my husbands coersion. Go Flat Stanley! ;)[/quote]
ben is a very lucky man, that’s all im going to say…
thanks for “letting” ben come play with us last weekend — he’s a great guy![/quote]
Indeed.[/quote]
Whoops. That was for the “lucky man” comment. Not my decesion on the great guy stuff.
[quote comment=”375250″][quote comment=”375194″][quote comment=”375159″][quote comment=”375157″] No Redskins concepts so we aren’t subjected to Leon’s bellyaching.[/quote]
the best part of the deadskins tweaks are leon’s critiques[/quote]
…just had a weird thought about one of the Redskins old logos. The old letter in a circle with the feather logo… the R for Redskins instead of a W for Washington. Has any other team ever used a logo with a letter that didn’t represent the team’s home city?[/quote]
pirates… lol[/quote]
The Patriots, back when they were the Boston Patriots, had an intertwined “BP” logo. Ebbets Field Flannels used to sell a “coaches cap” with it on it.
[quote comment=”375258″]
BTW/OT – the wife and I are considering a move to MN within the next year, are Twins tickets hard to come by?[/quote]
This year ticket demand is crazy big because it’s the initial season of Target Field. During the HHH years, not so much.
It helps that the Twins often play dead for the start of the season and then sneak up at the end of the year.
Picked this up in a Frito-Lay give away in the 70s.
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Still have it.
Dennis
Just noticed that the Pro Bowl is on TV against the Grammy Awards. As much as we’ve derided the Pro Bowl, its not even the most irrelevant thing on TV tonight.
Another great post, Phil.
Even I, a onetime Pro Bowl lover, is not upset that I don’t have ESPN tonight. It’s hard to get excited about the game when so many of the players want no part of it.
Unfortunately, the only way to make this game good again is to lower the players’ salaries, and that’s not going to happen. The bonus money used to be a good motivating factor, but now everyone’s afraid to get hurt and miss out on their next multimillion-dollar contract. Sad.
I REALLY used to look forward to the first Sunday in Februrary back in the 80s. Back then the NBA All-Star Game was on in the afternoon, then the Pro Bowl was on in the evening. Both games sorta meant something, because most of the players were honored to be there, they looked good in their unis, and towards the end of the games it would get really competitive. Now? A lot of the stars would rather have the time off and it shows.
Mentioned these last night, but I’d rather see unis like the ones in yesterday’s Senior Bowl link than the NFL’s messes. Nice and simple, yet modern. link
Although I could do without the logo creep. Mike Engle and I counted at least nine UA logos on Tim Tebow: link
[quote comment=”375265″]Even I, a onetime Pro Bowl lover, is not upset that I don’t have ESPN tonight.[/quote]
AM not upset. Must have been thinking of yesterday when Phil showed that “I is a college student” t-shirt…
ok…this took WAY longer than i had anticipated…but
i give you the 2010 pro bowl unis, as conceived by THE jeff:
afc reps, based on steelers
nfc reps, as based on the cardinals
leading to a pro bowl matchup of:
AFC vs. NFC
THE jeff…if the NFL ever adpots this, i want half
/just sayin’
dammit…actually i fucked up the steelers/afc pants stripe there
should be red/blue/red
not gonna fix that right now
[quote comment=”375265″]Another great post, Phil.
Even I, a onetime Pro Bowl lover, is not upset that I don’t have ESPN tonight. It’s hard to get excited about the game when so many of the players want no part of it.
Unfortunately, the only way to make this game good again is to lower the players’ salaries, and that’s not going to happen. The bonus money used to be a good motivating factor, but now everyone’s afraid to get hurt and miss out on their next multimillion-dollar contract. Sad.
I REALLY used to look forward to the first Sunday in Februrary back in the 80s. Back then the NBA All-Star Game was on in the afternoon, then the Pro Bowl was on in the evening. Both games sorta meant something, because most of the players were honored to be there, they looked good in their unis, and towards the end of the games it would get really competitive. Now? A lot of the stars would rather have the time off and it shows.
Mentioned these last night, but I’d rather see unis like the ones in yesterday’s Senior Bowl link than the NFL’s messes. Nice and simple, yet modern. link
Although I could do without the logo creep. Mike Engle and I counted at least nine UA logos on Tim Tebow: link
I noticed watching the highlights of the Senior Bowl that the Cincinnati receiver that caught a touchdown was wearing the white Cincinnati helmet in the game.
[quote comment=”375267″]ok…this took WAY longer than i had anticipated…but
i give you the 2010 pro bowl unis, as conceived by THE jeff:
link
link
leading to a pro bowl matchup of:
link
THE jeff…if the NFL ever adpots this, i want half
/just sayin'[/quote]
Nice! Now can you do them in the Saints and Colts designs?
[quote comment=”375160″]Good job Ronnie on the Saints tweak, that simple change would make a significant difference. As opposed to a stripe that doesn’t match the rest of their uni, and has that “lets just steal from the Steelers” look, it would make the Saints uniform it’s own.
It’s funny how the Steelers seems to envoke the most replications (Iowa, the Saints pants) – no one seems to want to Cowboys ? – am I wrong with that?[/quote]
As a Saints fan lifer I totally agree. The solid Black “Steelers” stripe does not match any aspect of the other elements of the uniform. It is assinine – as is the off-color collar stripe that is more Athletic Yellow/Gold than it is matching the rest of the uni. As I understand it, when the Jim Mora/Jim Finks regime changed the uni, they wanted a minimalist approach, but did not want to touch the helmet striping – thus giving birth to this 27 year mismatch.
What is most maddening (no pun intended) is that an NFL tean can easily match colors in this day and age. This is not 1968 where you have to have different shades of the same color because the manufacturers can’t or won’t do it correctly (see Rams and Giants in the 1970’s and 1980’s).
That the St. Louis Rams could change from Yellow to Old Gold and match all of their Gold colors from Day One (1999), is evidence that it can be done.
The Saints, my beloved Saints, have at least three colors of Gold on their uni on any given Sunday – and it is a glarring mismatch. The Gold Helmets and numerals match up, but differ from the Gold pants which are wayyyyyy to light, which differ from the mostly Yellow/Gold collar stripe. All of those Gold shades then differ from all of the various shades of Yellow Gold and some Old Gold present in the team designed endzones and mid-field logos and team placement signage and logos all over the Superdome.
It is a huge mess that could and should be fixed immediately.
jth~ when i get off work tonight, you want to road trip to beloit and pick up some tacos and potato olé’s?
[quote comment=”375270″][quote comment=”375267″]ok…this took WAY longer than i had anticipated…but
i give you the 2010 pro bowl unis, as conceived by THE jeff:
link
link
leading to a pro bowl matchup of:
link
THE jeff…if the NFL ever adpots this, i want half
/just sayin'[/quote]
Nice! Now can you do them in the Saints and Colts designs?[/quote]
And while you’re at it, how about the seahawks alt., broncos afl throwback, boise state, and any riflery uni. I’ll check back in 15 minutes for the result. :)
[quote comment=”375178″]Loved the Pro Bowl as a kid in the early 80’s. I loved uniforms, so I loved seeing white/red vs. the blue/white, with the different array of helmets.
I loved seeing how crazy the Browns and Bengals players looked with their orange helmet paired with the AFC set. Plus, I always liked how the Packers yellow helmet looked with the NFC gear.
Those three teams, and the silver helmeted ones always stood out to me.
95 on? Screw em![/quote]
Agreed. Totally
[quote comment=”375272″]jth~ when i get off work tonight, you want to road trip to beloit and pick up some tacos and potato olé’s?[/quote]
Beloit you say? I live in Janesville. I want in too. There is a Taco John’s right by my house.
Or AFC could wear Washington Sentinels roads (THE REPLACEMENTS on TBS again right now).
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375270″]
Nice! Now can you do them in the Saints and Colts designs?[/quote]
yeah…i’ll get right on that
check back in…oh…next year
Here you go…
Name the movies.
link
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375278″]Here you go…
Name the movies.
link
—Ricko[/quote]
Point Break or Break Point or sumthin like that…
[quote comment=”375275″][quote comment=”375272″]jth~ when i get off work tonight, you want to road trip to beloit and pick up some tacos and potato olé’s?[/quote]
Beloit you say? I live in Janesville. I want in too. There is a Taco John’s right by my house.[/quote]
maybe it was janesville, it was at a gas station, i know that. james loves it, he made me stop to and from the twin cities, he had to have a chili cheese frito burrito, potato olés, and a grape fanta. if memory serves he went on and on about how much he loves the pro bowl too.
[quote comment=”375279″][quote comment=”375278″]Here you go…
Name the movies.
link
—Ricko[/quote]
Point Break or Break Point or sumthin like that…[/quote]
link
link
That’d be them.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375279″][quote comment=”375278″]Here you go…
Name the movies.
link
—Ricko[/quote]
Point Break or Break Point or sumthin like that…[/quote]
dang, that’s a good idea for a bucks jersey. did they mention that 9 was his number in that, or is that just somebody’s interpretation?
[quote comment=”375280″][quote comment=”375275″][quote comment=”375272″]jth~ when i get off work tonight, you want to road trip to beloit and pick up some tacos and potato olé’s?[/quote]
Beloit you say? I live in Janesville. I want in too. There is a Taco John’s right by my house.[/quote]
maybe it was janesville, it was at a gas station, i know that. james loves it, he made me stop to and from the twin cities, he had to have a chili cheese frito burrito, potato olés, and a grape fanta. if memory serves he went on and on about how much he loves the pro bowl too.[/quote]
John Denver once said, “The toughest thing about being a vegetarian is that every once in a while it’s really hard to pass up a great taco.”
(I leave you to make of that what you will).
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375281″][quote comment=”375279″][quote comment=”375278″]Here you go…
Name the movies.
link
—Ricko[/quote]
Point Break or Break Point or sumthin like that…[/quote]
link
link
That’d be them.
—Ricko[/quote]
And both movies are on right now. Point Break is on Starz in Black
[quote comment=”375282″][quote comment=”375279″][quote comment=”375278″]Here you go…
Name the movies.
link
—Ricko[/quote]
Point Break or Break Point or sumthin like that…[/quote]
dang, that’s a good idea for a bucks jersey. did they mention that 9 was his number in that, or is that just somebody’s interpretation?[/quote]
Thought you might like that.
And I don’t know remember if his number’s indicated in the film.
A while back I mentioned that fictional character jerseys would be fun.
#87 ELLIOTT (North Dallas Bulls)
#16 MAXWELL (ditto)
#81 TILLER (Miami in SEMI-TOUGH)
#22 PUCKETT (ditto)
#16 MAGNUM (Navy, 1967, although no NOB at the time)
#17 CATLAN (early Saints; C.Heston in NUMBER ONE)
…etc.
(and TONS of baseball films, of course).
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375280″][quote comment=”375275″][quote comment=”375272″]jth~ when i get off work tonight, you want to road trip to beloit and pick up some tacos and potato olé’s?[/quote]
Beloit you say? I live in Janesville. I want in too. There is a Taco John’s right by my house.[/quote]
maybe it was janesville, it was at a gas station, i know that. james loves it, he made me stop to and from the twin cities, he had to have a chili cheese frito burrito, potato olés, and a grape fanta. if memory serves he went on and on about how much he loves the pro bowl too.[/quote]
The one you stopped at is indeed in Beloit. But it isn’t hard to find a Taco John’s in Wisconsin. Whenever you guys want to head up 10 more minutes North to The Ville, count me in for a “6-pack and a pound”.
[quote comment=”375285″][quote comment=”375282″][quote comment=”375279″][quote comment=”375278″]Here you go…
Name the movies.
link
—Ricko[/quote]
Point Break or Break Point or sumthin like that…[/quote]
dang, that’s a good idea for a bucks jersey. did they mention that 9 was his number in that, or is that just somebody’s interpretation?[/quote]
Thought you might like that.
And I don’t know remember if his number’s indicated in the film.
A while back I mentioned that fictional character jerseys would be fun.
#87 ELLIOTT (North Dallas Bulls)
#16 MAXWELL (ditto)
#81 TILLER (Miami in SEMI-TOUGH)
#22 PUCKETT (ditto)
#16 MAGNUM (Navy, 1967, although no NOB at the time)
#17 CATLAN (early Saints; C.Heston in NUMBER ONE)
…etc.
(and TONS of baseball films, of course).
—Ricko[/quote]
in the late 80’s i found a mean machine 22 at a thrift store, but the tag fell off before i got to the checkout, so they wouldn’t sell it to me for the 1.50 it was listed for. i said, heck i’ll pay 5.00. they said no, i would have to come back the next day when it is restocked. problem was i was on the way out of town, so i didn’t get it, bothers me to this day.
NUMBER ONE.
A really lousy movie that almost no one’s ever seen.
link
Heston looked older than Blanda.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375286″][quote comment=”375280″][quote comment=”375275″][quote comment=”375272″]jth~ when i get off work tonight, you want to road trip to beloit and pick up some tacos and potato olé’s?[/quote]
Beloit you say? I live in Janesville. I want in too. There is a Taco John’s right by my house.[/quote]
maybe it was janesville, it was at a gas station, i know that. james loves it, he made me stop to and from the twin cities, he had to have a chili cheese frito burrito, potato olés, and a grape fanta. if memory serves he went on and on about how much he loves the pro bowl too.[/quote]
The one you stopped at is indeed in Beloit. But it isn’t hard to find a Taco John’s in Wisconsin. Whenever you guys want to head up 10 more minutes North to The Ville, count me in for a “6-pack and a pound”.[/quote]
i had no idea they were in wisconsin, thought it was only west of the mississippi. maybe if i had access to them all the time i wouldn’t like it, but it is a fun treat on roadtrips. how about meAting at the link for a football game and an iron maiden cover band next year? i’ll make that trip for sure.
How come you never take road trips with me, Robert?
[quote comment=”375285″][quote comment=”375282″][quote comment=”375279″][quote comment=”375278″]Here you go…
Name the movies.
link
—Ricko[/quote]
Point Break or Break Point or sumthin like that…[/quote]
dang, that’s a good idea for a bucks jersey. did they mention that 9 was his number in that, or is that just somebody’s interpretation?[/quote]
Thought you might like that.
And I don’t know remember if his number’s indicated in the film.
A while back I mentioned that fictional character jerseys would be fun.
#87 ELLIOTT (North Dallas Bulls)
#16 MAXWELL (ditto)
#81 TILLER (Miami in SEMI-TOUGH)
#22 PUCKETT (ditto)
#16 MAGNUM (Navy, 1967, although no NOB at the time)
#17 CATLAN (early Saints; C.Heston in NUMBER ONE)
…etc.
(and TONS of baseball films, of course).
—Ricko[/quote]
How about Paper Lion #0 – Plimpton/Alda
link
[quote comment=”375246″][quote comment=”375168″]”Remember the “Reebok Pump”? Yeah, I don’t either.”
Actually, Reebok still uses the pump in their hockey skates. Back in the early 1990’s CCM used it in their Tacks skates and it’s managed to stick around-[/quote]
When I was in middle school, Reebok Pump was used as a torture device. During our many downtimes, we’d ambush some douche (which I would later become one as well) and just start mercilessly pumping the shoes to the point that the douche would scream out in pain. Damn those shoes hurt! Even pumped to a comfortable fit, eventually you’d cut off the circulation in the veins, the foot would go numb, and at the end of the day, a nice case of heat rash. Who ever designed the shoe obviously hated ventilation. Ah, early 1990s crap.[/quote]
Got a free pair of the first gen Pumps. Musta weighed 10 lbs each.
[quote comment=”375290″]How come you never take road trips with me, Robert?[/quote]
you are in portland right? my sister lived there for 7 years, until she moved east of spokane in idaho a few months ago. otherwise, we could have met for a beer at that gay porn bar, that place rocks. i know, everybody is all whaaat? but it really is a great sports bar if you don’t mind the guy on guy porn, and there are tons of ladies.
[quote comment=”375293″][quote comment=”375290″]How come you never take road trips with me, Robert?[/quote]
you are in portland right? my sister lived there for 7 years, until she moved east of spokane in idaho a few months ago. otherwise, we could have met for a beer at that gay porn bar, that place rocks. i know, everybody is all whaaat? but it really is a great sports bar if you don’t mind the guy on guy porn, and there are tons of ladies.[/quote]
hahahahahahaha
I’m in Eugene. I can easily get to Portland though. Can’t get into bars though. That whole “being 19” thing gets in the way of that.
[quote comment=”375294″][quote comment=”375293″][quote comment=”375290″]How come you never take road trips with me, Robert?[/quote]
you are in portland right? my sister lived there for 7 years, until she moved east of spokane in idaho a few months ago. otherwise, we could have met for a beer at that gay porn bar, that place rocks. i know, everybody is all whaaat? but it really is a great sports bar if you don’t mind the guy on guy porn, and there are tons of ladies.[/quote]
hahahahahahaha
I’m in Eugene. I can easily get to Portland though. Can’t get into bars though. That whole “being 19” thing gets in the way of that.[/quote]
sheeeeeeeet, that’s right, i knew that, i was thinking you had just finished school, brain cramp. i wish i could remember the name of that place. i was skeptical when jo-jo bird told me she was taking me there, but it really was a winner.
good call on the paper lion. a double zero nate scarboro wouldn’t be bad either.
Robert didn’t read today’s post all the way through…
[quote comment=”375290″]When I (The Hemogoblin/Kenny Ocker) am not on the internet, I’m a sophomore journalism major at the University of Oregon. This term, I have a class that requires me to write a 100-page research paper.[/quote]
[quote comment=”375296″]Robert didn’t read today’s post all the way through…
[quote comment=”375290″]When I (The Hemogoblin/Kenny Ocker) am not on the internet, I’m a sophomore journalism major at the University of Oregon. This term, I have a class that requires me to write a 100-page research paper.[/quote][/quote]
this is why people should use their names, because i am stupid. i read that today and yesterday, and still cramped. give you one guess how i come down o this, and if i have the time, mayb e i can put something together for you.
okay james, i am leaving now, i’ll run my 5 games, then i’ll pick you up for taco john’s.
[quote comment=”375203″]Great write up on the history of the Pro Bowl.
One item I was looking for or mentioned in the Pro Bowl article was something I remember, or I think I remember. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I remember a time (maybe late ’60s or early 70’s) when the Super Bowl Champions would take on a All Star team made up of College Seniors. What was that game called and what happen to it?[/quote]
Here you go: link
[quote comment=”375155″]Dynamite piece today, LI.
As someone who quit watching this joke about 20 years ago, I missed out on the recent beauties being worn by our all-stars. Here’s my thought: do away with the game entirely. But it’s easy to shoot holes in something, so what’s an alternative? Since you asked:
Continue to name two all conference teams each year.
Give each player a check: publicize any charitable contributions the player may make in lieu of said check (I guess the League could provide the money, but don’t players get bonuses from their individual teams for making these all-star teams already?)
Create a glossy, collector’s item type magazine (or e-zine) that would contain the folowing:
A group shot of each starting 11 (plus special teamers) wearing his home uniform, ala Look Magazine for the college All-America teams back in the day.
A cool piece of football related artwork for the cover.
For the uni-folk, create new uniforms each year, purchasable of course. Have them modeled (in the 2 center pages) by the female models du jour, with giant breasts that can barely be contained by the collar and short hems that barely drop below their Brazilian wax. A henna tattoo of the manufacturer’s logo completes the look.
Headshots of the entire teams, with pertinent info, etc.
Plenty of advertising.
Anyway, just some thoughts….man. I miss the Playoff Bowl.
:)[/quote]
Playoff Bowl info: link
Traxel said…
How about Paper Lion #0 — Plimpton/Alda
link…
Mr. Plimpton, having a bit of trouble executing the difficult “dropback”…
link
—Ricko
Alex Karras going for the sack:
link
Komet 17 said…
Playoff Bowl info: link….
Playoff Bowl #7.
Palm trees. Obviously not Philly or Baltimore.
link
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375227″]
Atlanta Falcons do on one side of their helmet.[/quote]And on the other side? Atlanta link, maybe?
The Pro Bowl unis appear to be loosely based on the Sears NFL bedsheet set I had as a kid (same that ones Paul got on ebay not long ago)
Not every day you see a TD pass from #12 to…. #12….
[quote comment=”375186″][quote comment=”375181″][quote comment=”375180″][quote comment=”375179″]Great article today Phil.
Let’s not ignore the elephant in the room – even if the Pro Bowl didn’t have dozens of no-shows and they wore perfectly designed uniforms, nobody would watch because the football is atrocious and unwatchable.
A fast hard-hitting sport played slowly and without hitting? There’s a reason nobody watches.[/quote]
Like the NBA ASG with little or no defense.[/quote]
actually…
wanna make the pro-bowl matter? kinda do what MLB does — give the winner of the game the football (or choice to receive) for a super bowl overtime (if we ever have one)
/this was only semi-serious, btw
//nfl overtime…now there’s something else that needs fixin, dunnit?[/quote]
Simplest OT fix? Neither team can attempt a FG until its second possession of the OT.
Yeah, the team that loses the toss might get pinned deep the first time, but beats hell out of losing without ever having the ball.
—Ricko[/quote]
probowl fix..maybe.
each year, each team has four interleague games. In all 64 interleague games the following year, the Winning conference’s teams will get to choose to kick/receive, as if they had won the toss.
this idea is literally seconds old. unless i stole it from somewhere.
Among the many things you could say about this, one could be, “Does this outfit make my right leg look really huge?”
link
And you thought the Oakland Invaders uni Bobby Hebert wore was bright?
link
[quote comment=”375308″]And you thought the Oakland Invaders uni Bobby Hebert wore was bright?
link
Wonder if Jamie Farr is a Saints fan?
Okay, one more:
link
Think I need to go back to that Tina Fey picture Phil posted after seeing these…
[quote comment=”375294″][quote comment=”375293″][quote comment=”375290″]How come you never take road trips with me, Robert?[/quote]
you are in portland right? my sister lived there for 7 years, until she moved east of spokane in idaho a few months ago. otherwise, we could have met for a beer at that gay porn bar, that place rocks. i know, everybody is all whaaat? but it really is a great sports bar if you don’t mind the guy on guy porn, and there are tons of ladies.[/quote]
hahahahahahaha
I’m in Eugene. I can easily get to Portland though. Can’t get into bars though. That whole “being 19” thing gets in the way of that.[/quote]
i think for the bars robert wants to bring you to…that whole “being 19” thing is to your advantage
At the Pro Bowl, everyone breaks out the bling to celebrate:
link
The problem with leading with your head is that you might run into your own teammate:
link
By the way, is that rain I see in that pic? Please tell me it’ll do that all week so there will be a Super Mud Bowl.
[quote comment=”375312″]At the Pro Bowl, everyone breaks out the bling to celebrate:
link
HAH…that fuckin’ guy is everywhere…he was on one of them there SNF games (think was giants vs boys) but it doesn’t really matter
he had the same bling then too, and i got this grab
[quote comment=”375313″]The problem with leading with your head is that you might run into your own teammate:
link
By the way, is that rain I see in that pic? Please tell me it’ll do that all week so there will be a Super Mud Bowl.[/quote]
I’ve got to say, I love that Schutt ION helmet that Chad’s wearing, however, I hate that shrouded face mask shock absorber. They’re on all of those ION lids and I just think they could have come up with something better, design wise, there.
[quote comment=”375311″][quote comment=”375294″][quote comment=”375293″][quote comment=”375290″]How come you never take road trips with me, Robert?[/quote]
you are in portland right? my sister lived there for 7 years, until she moved east of spokane in idaho a few months ago. otherwise, we could have met for a beer at that gay porn bar, that place rocks. i know, everybody is all whaaat? but it really is a great sports bar if you don’t mind the guy on guy porn, and there are tons of ladies.[/quote]
hahahahahahaha
I’m in Eugene. I can easily get to Portland though. Can’t get into bars though. That whole “being 19” thing gets in the way of that.[/quote]
i think for the bars robert wants to bring you to…that whole “being 19” thing is to your advantage[/quote]
Portland? Please. You know you want and need a road trip to Montreal, and you know I’ll be waiting for you. Me, or Ste-Catherine Street and all its glory.
oh and yeah…
i fixed that ‘steeler’ pants stripe reversal for the 2010 pro bowl uni concept
[quote comment=”375297″][quote comment=”375296″]Robert didn’t read today’s post all the way through…
[quote comment=”375290″]When I (The Hemogoblin/Kenny Ocker) am not on the internet, I’m a sophomore journalism major at the University of Oregon. This term, I have a class that requires me to write a 100-page research paper.[/quote][/quote]
this is why people should use their names, because i am stupid. i read that today and yesterday, and still cramped. give you one guess how i come down o this, and if i have the time, mayb e i can put something together for you.
okay james, i am leaving now, i’ll run my 5 games, then i’ll pick you up for taco john’s.[/quote]
Brat Stop and Maiden covers? I’m in for that. Taco fucking John’s for a third time this month? You eat alone.
Or with Mr. Okray.
[quote comment=”375314″][quote comment=”375312″]At the Pro Bowl, everyone breaks out the bling to celebrate:
link
HAH…that fuckin’ guy is everywhere…he was on one of them there SNF games (think was giants vs boys) but it doesn’t really matter
link then too, and i got this grab[/quote]
He’s a photographer.
Probably those are his artistic licenses.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375288″]NUMBER ONE.
A really lousy movie that almost no one’s ever seen.
link
Heston looked older than Blanda.
—Ricko[/quote]
just based on that picture alone, I now absolutely have to see that movie.
Maybe it’s just me, or the sharper-than-usual picture quality ESPN provides, or that I don’t recall seeing them play at any point this year, but for once I’m noticing just how sharp-looking the Brown’s helmets are. There’s something to be said for no-logo helmets…
[quote comment=”375288″]NUMBER ONE.
A really lousy movie that almost no one’s ever seen.
link
Heston looked older than Blanda.
—Ricko[/quote]
Now I HAVE to see this movie based on that picture alone.
[quote comment=”375321″]Maybe it’s just me, or the sharper-than-usual picture quality ESPN provides, or that I don’t recall seeing them play at any point this year, but for once I’m noticing just how sharp-looking the Brown’s helmets are. There’s something to be said for no-logo helmets…[/quote]
Penn State, Notre Dame and the right side of Ohio State (among others) would agree.
—Rick
[quote comment=”375321″]Maybe it’s just me, or the sharper-than-usual picture quality ESPN provides, or that I don’t recall seeing them play at any point this year, but for once I’m noticing just how sharp-looking the Brown’s helmets are. There’s something to be said for no-logo helmets…[/quote]
Always liked that other side of the Steelers helmet, too:
link
[quote comment=”375324″][quote comment=”375321″]Maybe it’s just me, or the sharper-than-usual picture quality ESPN provides, or that I don’t recall seeing them play at any point this year, but for once I’m noticing just how sharp-looking the Brown’s helmets are. There’s something to be said for no-logo helmets…[/quote]
Always liked that other side of the Steelers helmet, too:
link
[quote comment=”375324″][quote comment=”375321″]
Don’t forget the LOB:
link
Okay, I’ve posted this twice now in the last 20 that never showed up. Let’s try this one more time. Ricko – That NUMBER ONE movie I simply HAVE to see based on that photo alone. Just checked netflix and couldn’t find it.
[quote comment=”375318″][quote comment=”375297″][quote comment=”375296″]Robert didn’t read today’s post all the way through…
[quote comment=”375290″]When I (The Hemogoblin/Kenny Ocker) am not on the internet, I’m a sophomore journalism major at the University of Oregon. This term, I have a class that requires me to write a 100-page research paper.[/quote][/quote]
this is why people should use their names, because i am stupid. i read that today and yesterday, and still cramped. give you one guess how i come down o this, and if i have the time, mayb e i can put something together for you.
okay james, i am leaving now, i’ll run my 5 games, then i’ll pick you up for taco john’s.[/quote]
Brat Stop and Maiden covers? I’m in for that. Taco fucking John’s for a third time this month? You eat alone.
Or with Mr. Okray.[/quote]
And hobglobule: are we really supposed to know you’re 19 just because you’re a sophomore? Shit, Jim Vilk was like 37 when he was a sophomore at Akron.
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Did those TfJ’s really have grape Fanta?
Moderated?
I guess I just quoted my own comment that none of you have seen yet because it’s stuck in Purgatory.
[quote comment=”375326″]Okay, I’ve posted this twice now in the last 20 that never showed up. Let’s try this one more time. Ricko – That NUMBER ONE movie I simply HAVE to see based on that photo alone. Just checked netflix and couldn’t find it.[/quote]
I collect a TON of old movies. Checked the best sites I know of, with no luck. Finally went to ebay…
link
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375329″][quote comment=”375326″]Okay, I’ve posted this twice now in the last 20 that never showed up. Let’s try this one more time. Ricko – That NUMBER ONE movie I simply HAVE to see based on that photo alone. Just checked netflix and couldn’t find it.[/quote]
I collect a TON of old movies. Checked the best sites I know of, with no luck. Finally went to ebay…
link
—Ricko[/quote]
Looks like might be copy. But I don’t believe it’s any longer available commerically. Might be the best you’ll find.
Vince Young has no business being anywhere near the Pro Bowl.
Zero. Zilch. Nada.
Two more NUMBER ONE at ebay…
link
link
—Ricko
jeebus, i go do a little MS painting and 5 comments end up in the sin bin…they’re all free now
what was i MSing you may ask?
why, your 2011 pro bowl unis of course
Or this…
link
ioffer.com is an intersting site, if you don’t know it.
—Ricko
Yeah, got double extra triple posts saying the same damn thing. Someone put a hex on this stoopid hunka electro garbage compyewter.
Thanks Ricko. Looks like a really awful flick from what I can see…but those unis! Could make it all worth while!
[quote comment=”375328″]Moderated?
I guess I just quoted my own comment that none of you have seen yet because it’s stuck in Purgatory.[/quote]
And now this makes no sense because the comment I quoted appears to have been released.
Anyway, the one before this just said something like:
JTH Said:
Moderated
And then all that other bullshit I wrote about the Fanta and JVilk.
[quote comment=”375333″]jeebus, i go do a little MS painting and 5 comments end up in the sin bin…they’re all free now
what was i MSing you may ask?
why, your link of course[/quote]
Oh yeah, I’d wear those!
[quote comment=”375327″]Shit, Jim Vilk was like 37 when he was a sophomore at Akron.[/quote]
shit…jim vilk was like 37 was he was born
[quote comment=”375336″][quote comment=”375328″]Moderated?
I guess I just quoted my own comment that none of you have seen yet because it’s stuck in Purgatory.[/quote]
And now this makes no sense because the comment I quoted appears to have been released.
Anyway, the one before this just said something like:
JTH Said:
Moderated
And then all that other bullshit I wrote about the Fanta and JVilk.[/quote]
Good to know I’m not the only one to get the voodoo computer hex treatment.
[quote comment=”375338″][quote comment=”375327″]Shit, Jim Vilk was like 37 when he was a sophomore at Akron.[/quote]
shit…jim vilk was like 37 was he was born[/quote]
Wait, since when did Mr Vilk take a load of old jokes off Ricko’s back?
[quote comment=”375340″]when did Mr Vilk take a load of old jokes off Ricko’s back?[/quote]
he didn’t…he’s not old…well, not like ricko is
but for some reason, people at the deep freeze believed him to be in his 80’s
must be something in that minnesota water — the lady who meandered into the “manquarium” gathering at grumpy’s thought i was “mid 50’s”
[quote comment=”375333″]jeebus, i go do a little MS painting and 5 comments end up in the sin bin…they’re all free now
what was i MSing you may ask?
why, your link of course[/quote]
You forgot the white outline on the NFC numbers.
I’m really thinking it might work better with white pants though. As long as we get a consistent palette swap it can work either way. I see the NFC as blue & white with red trim… and the Saints are black & gold with white trim – so, swap black for blue (like you did), gold for white, and white for red. That gives us a blue jersey with white numbers outlined in red, and white pants with a blue stripe.
[quote comment=”375341″][quote comment=”375340″]when did Mr Vilk take a load of old jokes off Ricko’s back?[/quote]
he didn’t…he’s not old…well, not like ricko is
but for some reason, people at the deep freeze believed him to be in his 80’s
must be something in that minnesota water — the lady who meandered into the “manquarium” gathering at grumpy’s thought i was “mid 50’s”[/quote]
Wait a second, they thought I was in my 80s?
—Ricko
I’m guessing whomever designed the pro bowl jerseys never played the game. This is what Ricko is bitching about when color on color goes wrong. Good thing Vinnie Testaverde isn’t playing.
The only reason anybody would want to play the game would be the trip to somewhere exotic. Not enough prep time, too many chances to get hurt, the game just sucks half assed at half speed.
So if you really want to do this, alternate it between Hawaii and any random city that is not in the USA. Mexico City, Barcelona, Gelsenkirchen, Abu Dhabi, Rio de Janiero, Buenos Aires, Santiago, Sydney, Singapore; wherever. Nutjob fans can go to those, expand the game by running clinics for two weeks after the Superbowl, players get a nice perk for making the game.
OT, watched the Rangers stink the joint last night and noticed that the guys wearing breezers made by Easton had a different material underneath the sweater “hems” asides from where the fighting strap attaches, it looked as if they’re sponsored by Optimus Prime for Transformers 3. Vinny Prospal was one of them.
[quote comment=”375327″]And hobglobule: are we really supposed to know you’re 19 just because you’re a sophomore? Shit, Jim Vilk was like 37 when he was a sophomore at Akron.[/quote]
22. Let’s not put me in Rickoville yet. ;)
‘Twas nice traveling with the teams, watching the players say, “Hey, look at Vilk in the bar” while they had to go to bed. Just wish I could remember more of the night the assistant hoops coach and I chatted up the women bowlers up in Green Bay. One of them gave me an interesting-looking pin:
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[quote comment=”375341″]he’s not old…well, not like ricko is
but for some reason, people at the deep freeze believed him to be in his 80’s[/quote]
I’m not in my 80s, I’m stuck in NINETEEN-eighties. A slight difference.
[quote comment=”375346″][quote comment=”375341″]he’s not old…well, not like ricko is
but for some reason, people at the deep freeze believed him to be in his 80’s[/quote]
I’m not in my 80s, I’m stuck in NINETEEN-eighties. A slight difference.[/quote]
I think they assumed we ALL were older…what with JTH looking like he wandered away from the home in his jammies and all.
—Ricko
For those not watching the game, what was this about?
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[quote comment=”375343″]Wait a second, they thought I was in my 80s?[/quote]
no…they thought VILK was
obviously not picturing his mental age when surmising that
fyi…what we have learned tonight (through some email exchanges) is that NUMBER ONE and PAPER LION are not available on dvd and pretty expensive on VHS (if you can find a copy).
A new, unused VHS of PAPER LION is going for $120 at Amazon.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375342″][quote comment=”375333″]jeebus, i go do a little MS painting and 5 comments end up in the sin bin…they’re all free now
what was i MSing you may ask?
why, your link of course[/quote]
You forgot the white outline on the NFC numbers.
I’m really thinking it might work better with white pants though. As long as we get a consistent palette swap it can work either way. I see the NFC as blue & white with red trim… and the Saints are black & gold with white trim – so, swap black for blue (like you did), gold for white, and white for red. That gives us a blue jersey with white numbers outlined in red, and white pants with a blue stripe.[/quote]
jeff…you saw the 2010 mockups right?
the idea was to substitute blue for the NFC rep’s dark color and, if they wear white pants, to keep those…if they wear a secondary color (like the saints), to use red for that
with the AFC, same deal — take their “road” uni, and if they wear white pants with it, then they get white pants for the PB…color pants and they get red pants
i could rework the ‘2011’s’ to give the nfc white pants, but i was going for the “PB team to wear the uni of the previous year’s super bowl rep” only in PB colors
Are there any other teams around that have crazy graphics built in to the jersey like Duke b-ball does? Whats the story with that?
JimV19 said…
“Let’s not put me in Rickoville yet. ;) ”
Yeah, well, I saw Lou Brock play Class C ball for the St. Cloud Rox the year before he came up with the Cubs.
And Orlando Cepeda, Felipe Alou, Pumpsie Green and Carl Yastrezemski (and others) play for the Minneapolis Millers before they headed to the Majors, too.
Also saw Fran Tarkenton beat the Bears in the first Viking game ever.
So there. ;)
—Ricko
Here’s the deal.
According to one of the ebay auctions, NUMBER ONE has been allowed to slip into the public domain.
Can anyone here burn dvds (possibly from VHS)? If that PD business is true we could copy it as much as we want (and the original isn’t copy guarded).
The Internet Movie Database has the link to “Own the Rights?” open on that film. They don’t do that if the copyright holder is known.
Keep in mind, though, it’s a really awful movie (but Dan Abramowicz, Doug Atkins and Monty Stickles do play themselves, and there’s lot of footage of the Saints and Tulane Stadium).
—Ricko
—Ricko
[quote comment=”375352″][quote comment=”375342″][quote comment=”375333″]jeebus, i go do a little MS painting and 5 comments end up in the sin bin…they’re all free now
what was i MSing you may ask?
why, your link of course[/quote]
You forgot the white outline on the NFC numbers.
I’m really thinking it might work better with white pants though. As long as we get a consistent palette swap it can work either way. I see the NFC as blue & white with red trim… and the Saints are black & gold with white trim – so, swap black for blue (like you did), gold for white, and white for red. That gives us a blue jersey with white numbers outlined in red, and white pants with a blue stripe.[/quote]
jeff…you saw the link right?
the idea was to substitute blue for the NFC rep’s dark color and, if they wear white pants, to keep those…if they wear a secondary color (like the saints), to use red for that
with the AFC, same deal — take their “road” uni, and if they wear white pants with it, then they get white pants for the PB…color pants and they get red pants
i could rework the ‘2011’s’ to give the nfc white pants, but i was going for the “PB team to wear the uni of the previous year’s super bowl rep” only in PB colors[/quote]
I get what you were going for, but I’m not sure that it really works for all the teams… I think we still want to stay within the confines of AFC is red & NFC is blue. In the case of your Steelers mock-up, the red in place of yellow works for the white jersey… but I don’t think we’d want the AFC wearing blue jerseys (would we?) had the Steelers worn black in the Superbowl instead.
There’s not really a “correct” way to change black & gold into red white & blue. Your way works, my way works, and they’re both better than what was actually worn today.
[quote comment=”375356″]
I get what you were going for, but I’m not sure that it really works for all the teams… I think we still want to stay within the confines of AFC is red & NFC is blue. In the case of your Steelers mock-up, the red in place of yellow works for the white jersey… but I don’t think we’d want the AFC wearing blue jerseys (would we?) had the Steelers worn black in the Superbowl instead.
There’s not really a “correct” way to change black & gold into red white & blue. Your way works, my way works, and they’re both better than what was actually worn today.[/quote]
would you like this better?
i guess we just had a communication problem…when you said you wanted the teams to wear the “uniform” of the SB rep…i took that to mean an “exact” copy, with a substitution of color…you wanted it sorta that way
i do prefer that last mockup, but may as well just go to semi-generic jerseys then
[quote comment=”375357″][quote comment=”375356″]
I get what you were going for, but I’m not sure that it really works for all the teams… I think we still want to stay within the confines of AFC is red & NFC is blue. In the case of your Steelers mock-up, the red in place of yellow works for the white jersey… but I don’t think we’d want the AFC wearing blue jerseys (would we?) had the Steelers worn black in the Superbowl instead.
There’s not really a “correct” way to change black & gold into red white & blue. Your way works, my way works, and they’re both better than what was actually worn today.[/quote]
would you like link?
i guess we just had a communication problem…when you said you wanted the teams to wear the “uniform” of the SB rep…i took that to mean an “exact” copy, with a substitution of color…you wanted it sorta that way
i do prefer that last mockup, but may as well just go to semi-generic jerseys then[/quote]
Yes on the NFC side, but you could keep the AFC in white pants too.
Different interpretations of the same thing, really. Some teams are really easy to switch, and some are just a pain in the ass. The Colts are nice and simple – turn the blue into red. The Chargers – do you go red with white bolts, or blue with red bolts, or white with red bolts or… oy.
Lets just say you need some creative license to get it to work with some teams, especially when they’ve got more than 3 colors
[quote comment=”375358″]The Chargers – do you go red with white bolts, or blue with red bolts, or white with red bolts or… oy.
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you’re assuming the bolts will actually be repping the afc at some point in the future
might be easier (and more likely) to put the bengals in there
[quote comment=”375359″][quote comment=”375358″]The Chargers – do you go red with white bolts, or blue with red bolts, or white with red bolts or… oy.
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you’re assuming the bolts will actually be repping the afc at some point in the future
might be easier (and more likely) to put the bengals in there[/quote]
Don’t you have homework you should be doing?
[quote comment=”375355″]Here’s the deal.
According to one of the ebay auctions, NUMBER ONE has been allowed to slip into the public domain.
Can anyone here burn dvds (possibly from VHS)? If that PD business is true we could copy it as much as we want (and the original isn’t copy guarded).
The Internet Movie Database has the link to “Own the Rights?” open on that film. They don’t do that if the copyright holder is known.
Keep in mind, though, it’s a really awful movie (but Dan Abramowicz, Doug Atkins and Monty Stickles do play themselves, and there’s lot of footage of the Saints and Tulane Stadium).
—Ricko
—Ricko[/quote]
I can do that, but obviously if the source is crappy (VHS) the DVD will be crappy.
So you’ll end up with a crappy copy of a crappy movie.
[quote comment=”375348″][quote comment=”375346″][quote comment=”375341″]he’s not old…well, not like ricko is
but for some reason, people at the deep freeze believed him to be in his 80’s[/quote]
I’m not in my 80s, I’m stuck in NINETEEN-eighties. A slight difference.[/quote]
I think they assumed we ALL were older…what with JTH looking like he wandered away from the home in his jammies and all.
—Ricko[/quote]
Hey, waitaminnit! Thanks to me and my “jammies” the female attendance at Grumpy’s was increased by 50%, remember?
Or maybe it was a full 100%.
[quote comment=”375351″]fyi…what we have learned tonight (through some email exchanges) is that NUMBER ONE and PAPER LION are not available on dvd and pretty expensive on VHS (if you can find a copy).
A new, unused VHS of PAPER LION is going for $120 at Amazon.
—Ricko[/quote]
Got a DVD of “Number One” (Charlton Heston as the Saints soon-to-be-over-the-hill veteran, multiple NFL Championship winning QB)on EBAY not too long ago for about $25.00 – the guy had a bunch of movies. He actually claimed that the movie was now part of the “public domain”.
Whether it is or not, EBAY is often a good way to find hard-to-get items.
If only we were defending multiple Saints’ championships ….
[quote comment=”375361″][quote comment=”375355″]Here’s the deal.
According to one of the ebay auctions, NUMBER ONE has been allowed to slip into the public domain.
Can anyone here burn dvds (possibly from VHS)? If that PD business is true we could copy it as much as we want (and the original isn’t copy guarded).
The Internet Movie Database has the link to “Own the Rights?” open on that film. They don’t do that if the copyright holder is known.
Keep in mind, though, it’s a really awful movie (but Dan Abramowicz, Doug Atkins and Monty Stickles do play themselves, and there’s lot of footage of the Saints and Tulane Stadium).
—Ricko
—Ricko[/quote]
I can do that, but obviously if the source is crappy (VHS) the DVD will be crappy.
So you’ll end up with a crappy copy of a crappy movie.[/quote]
“Number One” being a crappy movie or not (And it is CRAPPY in all caps), it is a great time capsule for the old Tulane/Sugar Bowl stadium, the locker rooms, the stadium neighborhood and the early Saints. Those things are gone forever, with too little a photograhic or film record.
Plus, you can not beat the scene where the Saints team buses gameday into the stadium after spending the night at the Airport Hilton Hotel, and half the guys on the team are smoking cigars and cigarettes on the bus on the way to the game. Priceless.
Tell the truth, who would not like a similar crappy movie time capsule of the NY Giants at old Yankee Stadium, or the Vikings at the Met, or the Bears at Wrigley. Crappy or not, in many instances there are too few opportunities to see any of these venues in a football context.
As I understand it, you can not even buy tapes of Saints games played the 1960s or 1970s – I am told that broadcast tapes simply are not available.
[quote comment=”375362″][quote comment=”375348″][quote comment=”375346″][quote comment=”375341″]he’s not old…well, not like ricko is
but for some reason, people at the deep freeze believed him to be in his 80’s[/quote]
I’m not in my 80s, I’m stuck in NINETEEN-eighties. A slight difference.[/quote]
I think they assumed we ALL were older…what with JTH looking like he wandered away from the home in his jammies and all.
—Ricko[/quote]
Hey, waitaminnit! Thanks to me and my “jammies” the female attendance at Grumpy’s was increased by 50%, remember?
Or maybe it was a full 100%.[/quote]
Let’s see. You brought in the only female at the UW party. And she came up to you. Then the next night you got another comment (the T-shirt) from another girly at a hockey game. I’m beginning to think you don’t belong with the rest of us!
[quote comment=”375327″][quote comment=”375318″][quote comment=”375297″][quote comment=”375296″]Robert didn’t read today’s post all the way through…
[quote comment=”375290″]When I (The Hemogoblin/Kenny Ocker) am not on the internet, I’m a sophomore journalism major at the University of Oregon. This term, I have a class that requires me to write a 100-page research paper.[/quote][/quote]
this is why people should use their names, because i am stupid. i read that today and yesterday, and still cramped. give you one guess how i come down o this, and if i have the time, mayb e i can put something together for you.
okay james, i am leaving now, i’ll run my 5 games, then i’ll pick you up for taco john’s.[/quote]
Brat Stop and Maiden covers? I’m in for that. Taco fucking John’s for a third time this month? You eat alone.
Or with Mr. Okray.[/quote]
And hobglobule: are we really supposed to know you’re 19 just because you’re a sophomore? Shit, Jim Vilk was like 37 when he was a sophomore at Akron.
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Did those TfJ’s really have grape Fanta?[/quote]
Generally, I’m more open about my nineteenness than my sophomoric nature. ;)