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There’s No Service Like Wire Service, Vol. 2

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Back in the summer of 2006, when this blog was less than two months old, I wrote an entry about the “White War” of 1967, in which the Washington Senators briefly wore white caps and white socks as a way of protesting and ridiculing the white shoes worn by the Kansas City A’s — a little-noted chapter in MLB uni history.

Unfortunately, the only action photo I could come up with at the time was this one, which gives a very poor view of the white-clad Sens player. Fortunately, reader Paul Wiederecht recently came up with something much, much better.

Pretty great, right? And that’s just one of the excellent wire service photos Paul recently uncovered. Here are some more:

• Most of you are probably aware that the 1958 Topps baseball set showed many of the Giants wearing a prototype cap design that never made it onto the field, plus a few Giants were shown wearing the team’s proper cap. Until now, however, I’d never seen this cap variation, which was apparently an earlier prototype developed in the fall of 1957. Has anyone ever seen this cap design before?

• Speaking of the teams that moved west for the 1958 season, take a look at this, which ran in the 2/24/58 issue of SI. What are the Dodgers wearing there — a prototype design that was only used during spring training? Repurposed L.A. Angels uniforms? Anyone know more about this?

• But here’s the most intriguing photo of the batch — dig. I’d never seen or heard anything about this “air-conditioned” mesh cap design before. Judging by the photo date, it looks like the Reds were experimenting with it during spring training. Anyone know if they ever used it during the regular season, and/or if any other teams ever tried anything similar?

Big thanks to Paul for all this great material, and let’s all be alert to wire service photo collections, which are clearly an untapped gold mine of uni-relevant imagery.

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Short-Notice Radio Alert: I’ll be appearing for about 15 minutes on WAJR-FM in West Virginia this morning at 9:30am. To listen in, go here click on “Clarksburg Listen Live” near the top of the page.

Western-Pennsylvania Reminder: Doug Keklak, Ryan Connelly, and some other Steeltown-area readers are organizing their own Uni Watch gathering this Thursday, January 7th, 6pm, at Silky’s in Squirrel Hill. Highlights from the past Steelers season will most definitely not be shown.

Uni Watch News Ticker: The Marlins are changing their road jersey insignia. … Jason Bay was signed by the Mets and Rangers. … Cycling update from Jeff Mayer, who writes: “Here’s the first look at the U.S. National Championship jersey for George Hincapie, who’s switching teams from Columbia to BMC.” … Bruce Soltys recently saw The Blind Side and, like everyone else, noticed all the Under Armour logo creep. But he also noticed this: “When former Vols coach (Phil Fulmer) made an appearance, the Adidas logo on the side of the hat was blacked out, but a Nike logo was in full view on the Florida rep directly behind him.” Interesting that they’d put the kibosh on one but not the other — did Nike pay a fee that Adidas declined to pay? … Webmaster John Ekdahl took this shot a while back. Note the cameraman’s jacket logo. … Georgia Tech hoops player D’andre Bell was sporting an upside-down flag patch last night (with thanks to Britton Thomas). … Yet another uni-related wedding maneuver, this time by Andrew Harris‘s 2008 ceremony: “I had to find a way to honor my groomsmen, a quintet of Mets fans I’ve known forever. Here was the result — an acceptable use of the Mets’ black, I think (it was a wedding, after all). Each number represented the number of years I’d known the wearer. I’m wearing 43. My bride, Shawn, was excused from compliance.” … Very cool USFL helmet animation here. There’s also a WFL version (great find, Phil). … Andy Kuempel’s jersey number and helmet number didn’t match last night (with thanks to Dan Winter). … Interesting footwear note from Peter Macaluso, who writes: “My good friend plays receiver for a D-III football program and blew out his knee while making a cut this year. When he went to the rehab center, the people asked him if he was wearing the new Nike Vapors. When he said yes, they checked off a box, because apparently there’s been a jump in knee injuries this year due to the cleats actually being too good at gripping the ground and causing people’s knees to give out instead. I thought that was pretty crazy. I believe Wes Welker was also wearing Vapors when he was injured this week.” … Here’s a subtle little rivalry message. That’s Iowa State in 1977 (with thanks to Brian Powers).

 

343 comments to There’s No Service Like Wire Service, Vol. 2

  • toshi | January 6, 2010 at 8:44 am |

    something wrong with the last links in the ticker?

  • jason | January 6, 2010 at 8:50 am |

    [quote comment=”370574″]something wrong with the last links in the ticker?[/quote]
    They worked for me.

  • MPowers1634 | January 6, 2010 at 8:57 am |

    in the Beat Iowa pic, check out the ref’s stirrups:

    http://farm3.static....

  • MPowers1634 | January 6, 2010 at 9:01 am |

    BTW…Welker does wear vapors:

    http://www.csmonitor...

    Although, here is an interesting pic of that little F&*# wearing footy boots:

    http://lesterslegend...

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 9:04 am |

    [quote comment=”370577″]here is an interesting pic of that little F&*# wearing footy boots:

    http://lesterslegend...

    why is welker a “little F&*#?”

  • Seth H | January 6, 2010 at 9:04 am |

    Paul,

    Not sure I understand this:

    “Andy Kuempel’s uni number and helmet number last night (with thanks to Dan Winter)”

    Link and/or additional text missing?

  • Ry Co 40 | January 6, 2010 at 9:07 am |

    just think… this idea actually got cleared for production, or signed off by someone… really:

    http://www.neweracap...

  • Paul Lukas | January 6, 2010 at 9:07 am |

    [quote comment=”370579″]Paul,

    Not sure I understand this:

    “Andy Kuempel’s uni number and helmet number last night (with thanks to Dan Winter)”

    Link and/or additional text missing?[/quote]

    Thanks. Now fixed.

  • Nolan | January 6, 2010 at 9:13 am |

    Another interesting thing about George Hincapie (the cyclist) on of the main reasons he signed on with BMC this year is because they were willing to use his brand of cycling apparel.

    http://www.hincapie....

    So this adds George Hincapie to the short list of professional athletes who have competed in their own uniform brand. I know Brooks Robinson did this, who are the others?

  • Kek | January 6, 2010 at 9:13 am |

    [quote comment=”370580″]just think… this idea actually got cleared for production, or signed off by someone… really:

    http://www.neweracap...
    those suck…

    transformers jenga is better:

    http://www.amazon.co...

  • MPowers1634 | January 6, 2010 at 9:14 am |

    [quote comment=”370578″][quote comment=”370577″]here is an interesting pic of that little F&*# wearing footy boots:

    http://lesterslegend...

    why is welker a “little F&*#?”[/quote]

    He is a little rat bastard who always seems to make big plays when I least want him to, thus he is a little F&*#.

    BTW…if anyone didnt see from last night, the Fiesta Bowl featured some nice kicks:

    Iowa Hyperdunk cleats on #94:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Notice their chrome bottom plate as opposed to Miami’s green and orange:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Tackler wearing all black HD:
    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Super Bad III on Nesbitt:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    In this pic, Nesbitt is being pursued by an Iowa defender wearing the Bizarro (opposite) version of his:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

  • Matt | January 6, 2010 at 9:15 am |

    THe reds cap reminded me of the 1986 Pirates baseball cards, which I assume were taken in Spring Training 1985. The ols Pillbox caps were also all mesh.
    Mike Bielecki, for example

  • MPowers1634 | January 6, 2010 at 9:16 am |

    BTW…note to all NFL players…This is how you wear socks:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

  • =bg= | January 6, 2010 at 9:17 am |

    your Texas Stadium demise (sniff) brought to you by;

    http://www.dallasnew...

  • Matt | January 6, 2010 at 9:19 am |

    The interesting thing about that Dodgers picture, besides the uniforms is – Where was it taken? It’s not the coliseum, so was it Wrigley LA (they briefly thought about using it)? Vero Beach (makes sense for February)?

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 9:21 am |

    [quote comment=”370582″]Another interesting thing about George Hincapie (the cyclist) on of the main reasons he signed on with BMC this year is because they were willing to use his brand of cycling apparel.

    http://www.hincapie....

    So this adds George Hincapie to the short list of professional athletes who have competed in their own uniform brand. I know Brooks Robinson did this, who are the others?[/quote]

    You hockey guys can correct me if i’m wrong (like i need to say that) but i seem to remember dave christian on the caps using a christian brand of stick that i think his family manufactured. does that count?

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 9:24 am |

    [quote comment=”370584″]
    He is a little rat bastard who always seems to make big plays when I least want him to, thus he is a little F&*#.

    [/quote]

    you do realize he led the league in catches (123) despite missing 2 games this year, and due to his wearing nike cleats, tore both his acl & mcl last weekend, ending his season

    i hope you’re happy

  • Aaron | January 6, 2010 at 9:24 am |

    What was the sticker on the top right side of Iowa’s helmets last night? Was it the old ANF sticker? I haven’t seen any other Iowa games this year and didn’t know if that has been there all year, or something that was just brought out for the bowl game.

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 9:26 am |

    [quote comment=”370591″]What was the sticker on the top right side of Iowa’s helmets last night? Was it the old ANF sticker? I haven’t seen any other Iowa games this year and didn’t know if that has been there all year, or something that was just brought out for the bowl game.[/quote]

    Not sure about that one but i can tell you why some nevada helmets have a colored stripe down the middle.

  • Beardface | January 6, 2010 at 9:28 am |

    I’m going to repost this from last night, but only because it made me crack up when I realized how cheap Nike’s marketing dept was with this after all the effort they put into other areas this year…

    “Jesus, how fucking lazy is Nike?

    Way to reuse the Pro Combat template for the BCS Bowl Champion on field shirts and caps

    Just shrink the Pro Combat logo a skosh and move it to the side, slap the bowl and team logo and put 2010 champs on it and BAM, you have Nike championship gear.

    Lazy, lazy, lazy, lazy.”

  • lose remerswaal | January 6, 2010 at 9:29 am |

    regarding the cameraman for the basketball game wearing a MLB shirt, you’ll very often find sideline cameramen wearing clothing from different games/sports than they are actively covering. They usually aren’t on the “free gear distribution list”, so when they get something they like, they’ll put it in the regular rotation.

    Check out the lighting guys at the next concert you go to and see how many are wearing shirts from that show on them. Especially if it’s a John Mayer concert!

  • Jason | January 6, 2010 at 9:33 am |

    Iowa was wearing Nike eye black stickers

  • Jason | January 6, 2010 at 9:33 am |
  • RS Rogers | January 6, 2010 at 9:33 am |

    Re the Nats in white, Paul Wiederecht’s photo is one of the clearest I’ve ever seen of the original curly-W logo. Shows just how close Washington’s current curly W is to the original, and just how little all the modern reproductions, including Cooperstown Collection caps, resemble the original.

    Re the Giants cap logo, that’s a very slightly modified version of the final San Francisco Seals (PCL) cap logo. Much like how the Dodgers essentially took over (with only slight modification) the cap logo of the Los Angeles PCL team they displaced.

  • Pete | January 6, 2010 at 9:36 am |

    Thank you Georgia Tech for wearing the dullest, least inspired GT unis ever.

    Which is appropriate, since they played the dullest, least inspired football I’ve ever witnessed them play.

    Why can’t uni designers leave well enough alone? GT is a famous retro look.

  • Kek | January 6, 2010 at 9:40 am |

    [quote comment=”370590″][quote comment=”370584″]
    He is a little rat bastard who always seems to make big plays when I least want him to, thus he is a little F&*#.

    [/quote]

    you do realize he led the league in catches (123) despite missing 2 games this year, and due to his wearing nike cleats, tore both his acl & mcl last weekend, ending his season

    i hope you’re happy[/quote]
    the crappy reliant stadium turf had nothing to do with that injury

  • Thomas Clark | January 6, 2010 at 9:45 am |

    I hated Christian hockey sticks. With a passion. They held more water in the blade than I thought was physically possible. I used them for about 3 months and will never do so again.

  • Hott Rodd | January 6, 2010 at 9:46 am |

    [quote comment=”370590″][quote comment=”370584″]
    He is a little rat bastard who always seems to make big plays when I least want him to, thus he is a little F&*#.

    [/quote]

    you do realize he led the league in catches (123) despite missing 2 games this year, and due to his wearing nike cleats, tore both his acl & mcl last weekend, ending his season

    i hope you’re happy[/quote]

    for all intents and purposes missed almost 3 games, since the knee injury happened early.

    Btw, i’m still hung up on someone suggesting the

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 9:52 am |

    Those 1958 Topps cards with the odd “SF” never were a prototype cap. Just an airbrush artist changing NY Giants photos and guessing the re-located Giants would use a logo similar to the SF Seals. The Ray Monzant is a late series card, for which photos actually were shot in ’58. Also, most of the ’58 set shows the Cubs in their hats with white piping. Only the final series cards from that year show the hats sans piping and with the narrower white outline on teh “C”.

    That particular “SF” hat existed only on cardboard.

    Similar thing happened on the ’55 Topps set, when A’s moved from Philadelphia to KC. Artist took a guess at the hats. Wasn’t right then, either. This “KC” hat is on virtually every A’s ’55 card, but the hat never saw the light of day.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    —Ricko

  • SRedman | January 6, 2010 at 9:54 am |

    Those “Beat Iowa” jerseys used by Iowa State back in 1977 got recycled later in the season. They played North Carolina State in the Peach Bowl and used the same jerseys. They changed the word “Beat” to read “Peach” and the word “Iowa” to read “Bowl.” They lost both games.

  • Mark K | January 6, 2010 at 9:57 am |

    [quote comment=”370582″]Another interesting thing about George Hincapie (the cyclist) on of the main reasons he signed on with BMC this year is because they were willing to use his brand of cycling apparel.

    http://www.hincapie....

    So this adds George Hincapie to the short list of professional athletes who have competed in their own uniform brand. I know Brooks Robinson did this, who are the others?[/quote]

    Teppo Numminen used to own 80% of Montreal Sports Ltd, which is a company founded by Teppo’s father, Kalevi. The company produces ice hockey sticks and equipment and was recently sold to the large hockey brand Warrior. Teppo used Montreal sticks while playing in the NHL.

    I believe the sticks were made in Europe. The “Monreal” brand was so named because it sounded like a good name for hockey sticks.

  • iLO | January 6, 2010 at 9:59 am |

    [quote comment=”370586″]BTW…note to all NFL players…This is how you wear socks:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Ugh. Negative. Raise the white a little higher.

  • Brian | January 6, 2010 at 10:01 am |

    Regarding the Blind Side question, Coach Fulmer also showed up for filming with one of his 2003-model adidas polo shirts to wear, but because of the stripes on the shoulders that were far too large to be blacked out, they had to find a blank white polo and added an iron-on T.

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 10:03 am |

    [quote comment=”370606″][quote comment=”370586″]BTW…note to all NFL players…This is how you wear socks:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Ugh. Negative. Raise the white a little higher.[/quote]

    What’s the rule? Five inches of white should be showing above the shoe top? Something like that? Pretty sure there’s a specific (or semi-specific) description of some kind in NF uni rules.

    —Ricko

  • iLO | January 6, 2010 at 10:05 am |

    [quote comment=”370586″]BTW…note to all NFL players…This is how you wear socks:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Courtesy of M. Hoge. Proper Sockage!!

    http://nicepickcowhe...

  • Zach | January 6, 2010 at 10:07 am |

    [quote comment=”370591″]What was the sticker on the top right side of Iowa’s helmets last night? Was it the old ANF sticker? I haven’t seen any other Iowa games this year and didn’t know if that has been there all year, or something that was just brought out for the bowl game.[/quote]

    Yest it was the ANF Sticker, and they have been wearing them all season long

  • John | January 6, 2010 at 10:10 am |

    The black Mets shirts in the wedding pic are great in all…yada yada…but how about that brides rack!? Nice uni on her!

  • MPowers1634 | January 6, 2010 at 10:14 am |

    [quote comment=”370609″][quote comment=”370586″]BTW…note to all NFL players…This is how you wear socks:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Courtesy of M. Hoge. Proper Sockage!!

    http://nicepickcowhe...

    Too bad he can’t remember that!

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 10:15 am |

    [quote comment=”370586″]BTW…note to all NFL players…This is how you wear socks:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    nah…that’s too low

    osi is an example of way “too low”…whereas the other guy in the pic is an example of “just right”

  • MPowers1634 | January 6, 2010 at 10:18 am |

    [quote comment=”370590″][quote comment=”370584″]
    He is a little rat bastard who always seems to make big plays when I least want him to, thus he is a little F&*#.

    [/quote]

    you do realize he led the league in catches (123) despite missing 2 games this year, and due to his wearing nike cleats, tore both his acl & mcl last weekend, ending his season

    i hope you’re happy[/quote]

    I am not happy in the least bit…I would never wish harm upon a player. I never said that he isn’t a solid, hard working player. I just don’t root for him.

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 10:18 am |

    White socks too low make vast majority of players’ legs (from calves down) look skinny and brittle.

    When socks are black, also look like crows from a Warner Brothers cartoon.
    “I theeenk I see a grasshoppuuuuurrrr.”

    —Ricko

  • MPowers1634 | January 6, 2010 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment=”370614″][quote comment=”370586″]BTW…note to all NFL players…This is how you wear socks:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    nah…that’s too low

    osi is an example of way “too low”…whereas the other guy in the pic is an example of “just right”[/quote]

    Well played, Phil…well played.

  • MPowers1634 | January 6, 2010 at 10:20 am |

    [quote comment=”370616″]White socks too low make vast majority of players’ legs (from calves down) look skinny and brittle.

    When socks are black, also look like crows from a Warner Brothers cartoon.
    “I theeenk I see a grasshoppuuuuurrrr.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Which is exactly why I don’t like the white, becuase I have huge calves.

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 10:24 am |

    re: Welker and subject of resting players or not resting players. He got hurt on the first series…so what’s the vote enow?

    How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?

    Someone’s team (because it has clinched, or because it sucks) may rest some people late the season? Welcome to pro football. They just start following it last year?

    —Ricko

  • Paul Lukas | January 6, 2010 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment=”370608″][quote comment=”370606″][quote comment=”370586″]BTW…note to all NFL players…This is how you wear socks:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Ugh. Negative. Raise the white a little higher.[/quote]

    What’s the rule? Five inches of white should be showing above the shoe top? Something like that? Pretty sure there’s a specific (or semi-specific) description of some kind in NF uni rules.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The official regulation states that “the exterior stocking must be solid white from the top of the shoe to the midpoint of the lower leg, with approved team color or colors from that midpoint to the top of the stocking.”

  • D to the ootie | January 6, 2010 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment=”370612″]The black Mets shirts in the wedding pic are great in all…yada yada…but how about that brides rack!? Nice uni on her![/quote]
    Hilariously inappropriate. Nicely played John.

  • Paul Lukas | January 6, 2010 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=”370619″]How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?[/quote]

    Because nobody bets on baseball. That’s what this is all about.

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 10:34 am |

    [quote comment=”370618″][quote comment=”370616″]White socks too low make vast majority of players’ legs (from calves down) look skinny and brittle.

    When socks are black, also look like crows from a Warner Brothers cartoon.
    “I theeenk I see a grasshoppuuuuurrrr.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Which is exactly why I don’t like the white, becuase I have huge calves.[/quote]

    Perhaps calfosuction?

    Man, wait’ll you get older. With varicose veins and all, you legs’ll look like Darth Vader’s head. Y’know, when Luke takes the breath screen off? How cool will THAT be.

    —Ricko

  • Geeman | January 6, 2010 at 10:37 am |

    It’s also because no one cares if you win 95 or 97 games in baseball, whereas there’s a big difference between going 16-0 or 14-2.

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 10:37 am |

    [quote comment=”370622″][quote comment=”370619″]How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?[/quote]

    Because nobody bets on baseball. That’s what this is all about.[/quote]

    ‘cept Pete.

    (You’re absolutely right, of course, which was kinda my bassackwards point. Such an unfortunate reality. And don’t forget the fantasy players. Tony Kornheiser says THEY’RE important, too…along with the gamblers.)

    —Ricko

  • iLO | January 6, 2010 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment=”370613″][quote comment=”370609″][quote comment=”370586″]BTW…note to all NFL players…This is how you wear socks:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Courtesy of M. Hoge. Proper Sockage!!

    http://nicepickcowhe...

    Too bad he can’t remember that![/quote]

    Ha! Good one.

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 10:39 am |

    gamblers, degenerates and fantasy football players take exception to teams ‘resting players’

    the jets, OTOH, are firmly behind this practice

  • JTH | January 6, 2010 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment=”370621″][quote comment=”370612″]The black Mets shirts in the wedding pic are great in all…yada yada…but how about that brides rack!? Nice uni on her![/quote]
    Hilariously inappropriate. Nicely played John.[/quote]
    Uh, yeah. That was much classier than the typically trite “Uh, Mets shirts? I don’t see any Mets shirts in that pic.” Bravo.

  • Jason | January 6, 2010 at 10:41 am |

    [quote comment=”370610″][quote comment=”370591″]What was the sticker on the top right side of Iowa’s helmets last night? Was it the old ANF sticker? I haven’t seen any other Iowa games this year and didn’t know if that has been there all year, or something that was just brought out for the bowl game.[/quote]

    Yest it was the ANF Sticker, and they have been wearing them all season long[/quote]
    ANF America Needs Farmers

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 10:45 am |

    MetsMetsMets00MetsMetsMets

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment=”370624″]It’s also because no one cares if you win 95 or 97 games in baseball, whereas there’s a big difference between going 16-0 or 14-2.[/quote]

    Wasn’t necessarily even thinking of the Colts. Just the NFL game in general. Eli sat the second half last year vs. Vikings and TJ led Minnesota to an impressive (cough-cough) victory.

    This year was even more interesting, though. Giants defense sat out, but did it while staying on the field.

    So what’s worse, a division winner sitting people out, or a team that’s out if it just mailing it in?

    Answer? Depends. Solution? Well, some kind of dopey restriction about who should play certainly isn’t it.

    “So-and-so should lose a draft choice because even though I knew when I bought these tickets in August that if a team had clinched they might rest people, I’m still pissed that it actually happened.”

    Late season NFL football is just odd, including the “sledding gear” some players opt to wear. How can anyone who truly follows the league not have haven’t picked up on that yet?

    —Ricko

  • The Jeff | January 6, 2010 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment=”370619″]
    How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Because no one really bothers watching much baseball until the World Series. The season is too long and no one cares about the last few games after their team has clinched or been eliminated.

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment=”370630″]MetsMetsMets00MetsMetsMets[/quote]

    shouldn’t that be (.)(.)?

  • JTH | January 6, 2010 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment=”370630″]MetsMetsMets00MetsMetsMets[/quote]
    Now that’s how it’s done.

  • Roger Faso | January 6, 2010 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”370602″]Those 1958 Topps cards with the odd “SF” never were a prototype cap. Just an airbrush artist changing NY Giants photos and guessing the re-located Giants would use a logo similar to the SF Seals. The Ray Monzant is a late series card, for which photos actually were shot in ’58. Also, most of the ’58 set shows the Cubs in their hats with white piping. Only the final series cards from that year show the hats sans piping and with the narrower white outline on teh “C”.

    That particular “SF” hat existed only on cardboard.

    Similar thing happened on the ’55 Topps set, when A’s moved from Philadelphia to KC. Artist took a guess at the hats. Wasn’t right then, either. This “KC” hat is on virtually every A’s ’55 card, but the hat never saw the light of day.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    —Ricko[/quote]

    That is a Seals “SF” logo. Check out, midway through this audio slideshow …

    http://oaklandoaks.t...

  • Roger Faso | January 6, 2010 at 10:54 am |

    Here’s a better glimpse of the Seals SF logo …

    http://en.wikipedia....

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 10:54 am |

    [quote comment=”370628″][quote comment=”370621″][quote comment=”370612″]The black Mets shirts in the wedding pic are great in all…yada yada…but how about that brides rack!? Nice uni on her![/quote]
    Hilariously inappropriate. Nicely played John.[/quote]
    Uh, yeah. That was much classier than the typically trite “Uh, Mets shirts? I don’t see any Mets shirts in that pic.” Bravo.[/quote]

    I was gonna say I just shook my head and was reminded yet again how the Mets in black look like a bunch of boobs.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 10:57 am |

    [quote comment=”370635″]
    That is a Seals “SF” logo. Check out, midway through this audio slideshow …

    http://oaklandoaks.t...

    here’s a grab

    nice pull!

  • Justin Walsh | January 6, 2010 at 10:58 am |

    Regarding the Florida Marlins dropping the “Florida” text on their road uniform. I guess this is just the first step in vanishing their Florida name. Their hat that is represented with the letter “F” is much more recognizable then their road “Florida” jersey.

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 11:00 am |

    [quote comment=”370633″][quote comment=”370630″]MetsMetsMets00MetsMetsMets[/quote]

    shouldn’t that be (.)(.)?[/quote]

    Better!

  • Flip | January 6, 2010 at 11:02 am |

    Last night I puzzled why the Georgia Tech arm pit stripes were referred to as “stingers” when the pants’ trim were “triangles.” Both, I think, could be interpreted as “stingers.” I thought “triangles” was just an odd explanation.

    Truth is, the striping, http://www.desmoines... were oddly similar to the Iowa basketball uniforms recently retired http://grfx.cstv.com... . BTW, those Iowa unis were pretty sharp looking, far better than the abominations they now wear. http://cache4.asset-...

    For the record, I was unimpressed with Tech’s unis. But they were better than the yoke job they wore during the regular season.

  • Piping Mike | January 6, 2010 at 11:04 am |

    [quote comment=”370637″][quote comment=”370628″][quote comment=”370621″][quote comment=”370612″]The black Mets shirts in the wedding pic are great in all…yada yada…but how about that brides rack!? Nice uni on her![/quote]
    Hilariously inappropriate. Nicely played John.[/quote]
    Uh, yeah. That was much classier than the typically trite “Uh, Mets shirts? I don’t see any Mets shirts in that pic.” Bravo.[/quote]

    I was gonna say I just shook my head and was reminded yet again how the Mets in black look like a bunch of boobs.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    She does wear it very well…

  • JimV19 | January 6, 2010 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=”370599″][quote comment=”370590″][quote comment=”370584″]
    He is a little rat bastard who always seems to make big plays when I least want him to, thus he is a little F&*#.

    [/quote]

    you do realize he led the league in catches (123) despite missing 2 games this year, and due to his wearing nike cleats, tore both his acl & mcl last weekend, ending his season

    i hope you’re happy[/quote]
    the crappy reliant stadium turf had nothing to do with that injury[/quote]

    Note to the Citrus Bowl: Players blow out their knees with or without mud. Ditch the plans for field turf.

  • Jim BC | January 6, 2010 at 11:07 am |

    Phil and Paul – you should be excited about the Bay signing. A good Canadian Boy! From Trail BC, Home of the Smoke Eaters! They have murals on buildings around town, including this one:

    http://www.trail.ca/...

    Cool. Remember the Smoke Eaters jersey was included in the Hockey News Greatest of All Time issue last month.

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 11:08 am |

    [quote comment=”370638″][quote comment=”370635″]
    That is a Seals “SF” logo. Check out, midway through this audio slideshow …

    http://oaklandoaks.t...

    here’s a grab

    nice pull![/quote]

    See? I really don’t make this stuff up. LOL.

    “Brush and/or Airbrush in hand, the Topps artist took another look at the Seals’ hat, and commenced the alteration process.”

    Thanks for finding those images, guys.

    —Ricko

  • BF44 | January 6, 2010 at 11:10 am |

    [quote comment=”370622″]Because nobody bets on baseball. That’s what this is all about.[/quote]
    I thought the Hokie Pokie was what it was all about? That’s what they taught me at Virginia Tech………

  • Beardface | January 6, 2010 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment=”370619″]How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?

    —Ricko[/quote]
    162 games vs 16 games.

    Plus, baseball only has Division Winners and a Wild Card per League to contend with, and you’re really only playing divisional games at the end of the season. And the Wild Card is usually decided by then. So playing callups late in the season has a marginal at best affect on the postseason.

    Lets put it this way. The Colts rested their starters the last 3 games of the season. Thats roughly 20% of the season they didn’t play their starters. In baseball, you’d have to play callups for 31 games to have the same affect. And thats assuming these callups would be playing against teams that would directly affect the postseason seeding. If you’re playing callups with 30 games to go on a regular basis, you’re either too far out of it (would have lost the games anyway) or so far in front that nobody within your division stands a chance at the Wild Card. And because you only play intra-division in late August through the end of the season, it wouldn’t have any affect at all on the outcome of the season.

  • Geeman | January 6, 2010 at 11:12 am |

    Ricko, what do you mean by “sledding gear”? . . .

    Still think the Colts should have tried for 16-0. By the time the second round of the playoffs start, the Colts and Saints will have been 0-5 since mid-December and will have not won in a month.

  • Geeman | January 6, 2010 at 11:13 am |

    [quote comment=”370643″][quote comment=”370599″][quote comment=”370590″][quote comment=”370584″]
    He is a little rat bastard who always seems to make big plays when I least want him to, thus he is a little F&*#.

    [/quote]

    you do realize he led the league in catches (123) despite missing 2 games this year, and due to his wearing nike cleats, tore both his acl & mcl last weekend, ending his season

    i hope you’re happy[/quote]
    the crappy reliant stadium turf had nothing to do with that injury[/quote]

    Note to the Citrus Bowl: Players blow out their knees with or without mud. Ditch the plans for field turf.[/quote]

    Amen.

  • Geeman | January 6, 2010 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment=”370641″]

    For the record, I was unimpressed with Tech’s unis. But they were better than the yoke job they wore during the regular season.[/quote]

    They did look better.

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 11:17 am |

    [quote comment=”370648″]Still think the Colts should have tried for 16-0.[/quote]

    the chirping jets fans in my office would disagree

  • Hott Rodd | January 6, 2010 at 11:21 am |

    hahahaha i was typing earlier and the page messed up on me. musta posted.

    Still have no idea why anyone would suggest splitting the pac10 into divisions

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment=”370647″][quote comment=”370619″]How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?

    —Ricko[/quote]
    162 games vs 16 games.

    Plus, baseball only has Division Winners and a Wild Card per League to contend with, and you’re really only playing divisional games at the end of the season. And the Wild Card is usually decided by then. So playing callups late in the season has a marginal at best affect on the postseason.

    Lets put it this way. The Colts rested their starters the last 3 games of the season. Thats roughly 20% of the season they didn’t play their starters. In baseball, you’d have to play callups for 31 games to have the same affect. And thats assuming these callups would be playing against teams that would directly affect the postseason seeding. If you’re playing callups with 30 games to go on a regular basis, you’re either too far out of it (would have lost the games anyway) or so far in front that nobody within your division stands a chance at the Wild Card. And because you only play intra-division in late August through the end of the season, it wouldn’t have any affect at all on the outcome of the season.[/quote]

    Ya think?

    Tongue firmly in cheek without “TFIC” really doesn’t work here, does it.

    Still, the point remains, this discussion goes on, in some form another, every year. Has for a long as I can remember. Yeah, that’s a lot longer than most here. Maybe that’s why what gets some peoples’ undies all bundle-ized is, for me, meh.

    No big news in this. No reasonable, viable, enforceable solutions likely, either. Or necessary. It is what it is. Different coaches, different philosophies…and the same tired old debate.

    Like watching people figure out how to push a chain.

    –Ricko

  • JimV19 | January 6, 2010 at 11:26 am |

    [quote comment=”370625″][quote comment=”370622″][quote comment=”370619″]How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?[/quote]

    Because nobody bets on baseball. That’s what this is all about.[/quote]

    ‘cept Pete.

    (You’re absolutely right, of course, which was kinda my bassackwards point. Such an unfortunate reality. And don’t forget the fantasy players. Tony Kornheiser says THEY’RE important, too…along with the gamblers.)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    But there’s fantasy baseball. Where’s the outrage from those players?

    Hey, didn’t David Stern punish some NBA teams a few years ago for resting players? Thought there was some uproar about people who paid too much for tickets and they “didn’t get their money’s worth” or some crap like that.

    Hey sports fans…well, if you’re REAL sports fans you don’t need to hear this…hey casual sports fans, going to a game is like going to a play or a restaurant or any other outing. Players, actors, items and other things are subject to change without notice. There is no guarantee on a ticket stating that the best players will play all the time and to your heart’s content. Learn to live with that fact, or you can donate your tickets to the Jim V. Can’t Afford Season Tickets Foundation. Maybe you can get a tax deduction…

    As for you gamblers and fantasy people, if that’s the only way you can enjoy sports, you’re not a real fan. Find something else to bet on and leave the games alone.

  • JimV19 | January 6, 2010 at 11:30 am |

    Hey Mickel,

    Here are those Tacoma Thunder pics I told you I had: http://www.uniwatchb...

  • War Damn Eagle | January 6, 2010 at 11:31 am |

    [quote comment=”370585″]THe reds cap reminded me of the 1986 Pirates baseball cards, which I assume were taken in Spring Training 1985. The ols Pillbox caps were also all mesh.
    Mike Bielecki, for example[/quote]

    Jim Leyland’s Pirates mesh cap is clutch!

    http://www.vinewoods...

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”370648″]Ricko, what do you mean by “sledding gear”? . . .

    Still think the Colts should have tried for 16-0. By the time the second round of the playoffs start, the Colts and Saints will have been 0-5 since mid-December and will have not won in a month.[/quote]

    Mentioned it before. As it gets cold, players get all layered up, etc., messing about with their individual looks, kneehighs, turtlenecks, new gloves, new sleeves, different shoes…on and on (ends up looking like a tobogganing party; at least that’s how I’ve thought of it for years). Uni Cops seem to look the other way. Maybe just cuz season winding down, cuz of weather, cuz of playoff pressure…

    Sort of, “Well, it IS December.”

    —Ricko

  • Hott Rodd | January 6, 2010 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”370647″][quote comment=”370619″]How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?

    —Ricko[/quote]
    162 games vs 16 games.

    Plus, baseball only has Division Winners and a Wild Card per League to contend with, and you’re really only playing divisional games at the end of the season. And the Wild Card is usually decided by then. So playing callups late in the season has a marginal at best affect on the postseason.

    Lets put it this way. The Colts rested their starters the last 3 games of the season. Thats roughly 20% of the season they didn’t play their starters. In baseball, you’d have to play callups for 31 games to have the same affect. And thats assuming these callups would be playing against teams that would directly affect the postseason seeding. If you’re playing callups with 30 games to go on a regular basis, you’re either too far out of it (would have lost the games anyway) or so far in front that nobody within your division stands a chance at the Wild Card. And because you only play intra-division in late August through the end of the season, it wouldn’t have any affect at all on the outcome of the season.[/quote]

    Colts actually played all out to go to 14-0 against Jacksonville.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Then they pulled their starters after 1 half against NYJ. So in reality it was 1.5 games which is 9.375% which translated to baseball games would be 15 games. And of course we all know that pitchers pitch 9 innings every game.

  • War Damn Eagle | January 6, 2010 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”370624″]It’s also because no one cares if you win 95 or 97 games in baseball, whereas there’s a big difference between going 16-0 or 14-2.[/quote]

    Tell that to the 2007 Mets.

  • MW | January 6, 2010 at 11:39 am |

    [quote comment=”370620″][quote comment=”370608″][quote comment=”370606″][quote comment=”370586″]BTW…note to all NFL players…This is how you wear socks:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Ugh. Negative. Raise the white a little higher.[/quote]

    What’s the rule? Five inches of white should be showing above the shoe top? Something like that? Pretty sure there’s a specific (or semi-specific) description of some kind in NF uni rules.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The official regulation states that “the exterior stocking must be solid white from the top of the shoe to the midpoint of the lower leg, with approved team color or colors from that midpoint to the top of the stocking.”[/quote]

    Kirk Ferentz mandated before the start of the 2008 season that they all wear their socks/stockings up in a traditional NFL sense, unlike the popular college bare legs look. (can’t find the article) I’d be curious to hear if they arbitrarily chose that length or if it was an actual attempt at NFL regulations. Guessing arbitrary effort.

  • mike 2 | January 6, 2010 at 11:41 am |

    I disagree that this sort of talk doesn’t happen in baseball.

    I haven’t heard a lot about it lately but I heard about it a lot in the 1970s-1980s. You’d have managers like Martin and Weaver accusing another team (usually one that’s out of the pennant race rather than one that’s clinched) of starting a weaker lineup to favour one team over another in a pennant race.

    They always said that it was one of the unwritten rules of baseball. In a game with pennant implications, you put your best lineup on the field even if you’re out of it and would rather get your September callups some playing time.

  • joe | January 6, 2010 at 11:43 am |

    [quote comment=”370589″][quote comment=”370582″]Another interesting thing about George Hincapie (the cyclist) on of the main reasons he signed on with BMC this year is because they were willing to use his brand of cycling apparel.

    http://www.hincapie....

    So this adds George Hincapie to the short list of professional athletes who have competed in their own uniform brand. I know Brooks Robinson did this, who are the others?[/quote]

    You hockey guys can correct me if i’m wrong (like i need to say that) but i seem to remember dave christian on the caps using a christian brand of stick that i think his family manufactured. does that count?[/quote]
    Don’t know if his family owned the company, its in MN. It was shut down and has now been purchased in large part by Dustin Byfuglien of the Blackhawks who is from MN. I still use a Christian GX3, replacing my DX3. The newer ones has got to be 14 years old. Wish I could still find the blades, I loved them.

  • matt in cleveland | January 6, 2010 at 11:43 am |

    [quote comment=”370610″][quote comment=”370591″]What was the sticker on the top right side of Iowa’s helmets last night? Was it the old ANF sticker? I haven’t seen any other Iowa games this year and didn’t know if that has been there all year, or something that was just brought out for the bowl game.[/quote]

    Yest it was the ANF Sticker, and they have been wearing them all season long[/quote]
    the anf sticker is for “america needs farmers” the also wore it back in 1990 season for sure
    http://www.youtube.c...
    also check the gt unis at beginning of clip iowa part towards the end

  • Chris A. | January 6, 2010 at 11:43 am |

    Some 2010 MLS shirts are being leaked. Not sure if these are 100% official, and note that some of the shirts pictured are replicas vs. authentic.

    New England Revolution
    http://img85.imagesh...

    Can’t stand those silver shoulder blotches or the red piping on the white shirts.

    Kansas City Wizards
    http://img37.imagesh...

    Some others (including Chivas USA, LA Galaxy) can be seen in various threads on the message boards at BigSoccer.com

  • Flip | January 6, 2010 at 11:43 am |

    That A’s-Senators pic http://farm1.static.... may not have been the sharpest, but it was good enough to show the champagne days of baseball socks. The KC A’s, Baltimore Orioles, Boston Red Sox, Pittsburg Pirates, St. Louis Cardinals, Atlanta Braves, Chicago White Sox …. http://tinyurl.com/y...

  • Matt | January 6, 2010 at 11:45 am |

    When is MLB Properties going to make a white Senators cap available? That would be great to have — just like the white A’s coaches hats from the 70s.!

  • JimV19 | January 6, 2010 at 11:45 am |

    That was a cool USFL helmet video.

    One problem, though…the first Denver Gold helmet is missing an old gold stripe like this: http://www.oursports...

    I woulda preferred 80s music for the soundtrack, too, but beggars can’t be choosers. Thanks to the maker of that video, and thanks to Phil and Paul for sharing it.

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 11:46 am |

    [quote comment=”370659″][quote comment=”370624″]It’s also because no one cares if you win 95 or 97 games in baseball, whereas there’s a big difference between going 16-0 or 14-2.[/quote]

    Tell that to the 2007 Mets.[/quote]

    dammit jonathon ;)

  • Jon S. | January 6, 2010 at 11:49 am |

    Flying the flag upside-down is a sign that one is in distress. Was D’andre Bell distressed about something??

  • Jeff | January 6, 2010 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment=”370661″]I disagree that this sort of talk doesn’t happen in baseball.

    I haven’t heard a lot about it lately but I heard about it a lot in the 1970s-1980s. You’d have managers like Martin and Weaver accusing another team (usually one that’s out of the pennant race rather than one that’s clinched) of starting a weaker lineup to favour one team over another in a pennant race.

    They always said that it was one of the unwritten rules of baseball. In a game with pennant implications, you put your best lineup on the field even if you’re out of it and would rather get your September callups some playing time.[/quote]

    I second this motion.

    Also, in baseball, they play 162 games over approximately 200 days (give or take). During the course of those 162, pretty much every player takes a few days rest here and there. Nobody gets all freaked out when Superstar Joe Blow takes a day off in June.

    Could you imagine if the Colts had rested Petyton Manning, et al., in October? “He just needed a breather…”

  • Teebz | January 6, 2010 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”370618″][quote comment=”370616″]White socks too low make vast majority of players’ legs (from calves down) look skinny and brittle.

    When socks are black, also look like crows from a Warner Brothers cartoon.
    “I theeenk I see a grasshoppuuuuurrrr.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Which is exactly why I don’t like the white, becuase I have huge calves.[/quote]

    Matt has cankles? LOL

  • Flip | January 6, 2010 at 11:52 am |

    I was looking for a reference of the Billy Martin-coached Oakland A’s wearing white undershirts and ran across this: http://findarticles....
    In it:
    • Martin, managing the Yankees, was complaining about the White Sox pitcher wearing a white undershirt and had it removed.
    • Joe Adcock complaining — also in ’67 — about the A’s white shoes.
    • Efforts to have pitchers’ jewelry removed because of perceived distraction.
    If I remember correctly, about those Oakland A’s white undershirts, not only were they white, but cut also so they were a flappin in the wind. Billy knew the rule book and could play both sides against the other

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=”370667″]That was a cool USFL helmet video.

    One problem, though…the first Denver Gold helmet is missing an old gold stripe like this: http://www.oursports...

    I woulda preferred 80s music for the soundtrack, too, but beggars can’t be choosers. Thanks to the maker of that video, and thanks to Phil and Paul for sharing it.[/quote]

    Both Denver Gold helmets also missing a white edge on the logo.
    And Chicago Fire wore red and black, not red and royal.
    A few other little missteps in those vids, but still great fun.

    —Ricko

  • Jordan Sogn | January 6, 2010 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=”370660″][quote comment=”370620″][quote comment=”370608″][quote comment=”370606″][quote comment=”370586″]BTW…note to all NFL players…This is how you wear socks:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Ugh. Negative. Raise the white a little higher.[/quote]

    What’s the rule? Five inches of white should be showing above the shoe top? Something like that? Pretty sure there’s a specific (or semi-specific) description of some kind in NF uni rules.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The official regulation states that “the exterior stocking must be solid white from the top of the shoe to the midpoint of the lower leg, with approved team color or colors from that midpoint to the top of the stocking.”[/quote]

    Kirk Ferentz mandated before the start of the 2008 season that they all wear their socks/stockings up in a traditional NFL sense, unlike the popular college bare legs look. (can’t find the article) I’d be curious to hear if they arbitrarily chose that length or if it was an actual attempt at NFL regulations. Guessing arbitrary effort.[/quote]

    I was so disappointed when the Sooners wore their red pro socks against Stanford in the Sun Bowl last week…I wish they’d have just pulled the all white socks up to the knees like back in the early 80’s. Not a lot of picks but Landry Jones (pic #6) is wearing them as the NFL mandates.
    http://www.soonerspo...;

  • Mike Edgerly | January 6, 2010 at 11:56 am |

    Anyone know why Dario Vidosic wore #101 for Australia in the Socceroos’ Asian Cup qualifer today? http://d.yimg.com/a/...

  • War Damn Eagle | January 6, 2010 at 11:57 am |

    Iowa had the crazy Nike logo gloves, too. (Scroll down to see pick of Iowa player)

    http://collegefootba...

  • Mike Edgerly | January 6, 2010 at 11:57 am |

    Another stab at the Socceroo link http://news.yahoo.co...

  • Tom | January 6, 2010 at 11:58 am |

    Anyone else catch the Georgia Tech Riflery gloves last night?

    A GT player (number 34 I think) flashed them as the team came onto the field.

    Thought it was interesting since they wear Russell jerseys.

  • Jordan Sogn | January 6, 2010 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”370674″][quote comment=”370660″][quote comment=”370620″][quote comment=”370608″][quote comment=”370606″][quote comment=”370586″]BTW…note to all NFL players…This is how you wear socks:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    Ugh. Negative. Raise the white a little higher.[/quote]

    What’s the rule? Five inches of white should be showing above the shoe top? Something like that? Pretty sure there’s a specific (or semi-specific) description of some kind in NF uni rules.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The official regulation states that “the exterior stocking must be solid white from the top of the shoe to the midpoint of the lower leg, with approved team color or colors from that midpoint to the top of the stocking.”[/quote]

    Kirk Ferentz mandated before the start of the 2008 season that they all wear their socks/stockings up in a traditional NFL sense, unlike the popular college bare legs look. (can’t find the article) I’d be curious to hear if they arbitrarily chose that length or if it was an actual attempt at NFL regulations. Guessing arbitrary effort.[/quote]

    I was so disappointed when the Sooners wore their red pro socks against Stanford in the Sun Bowl last week…I wish they’d have just pulled the all white socks up to the knees like back in the early 80’s. Not a lot of picks but Landry Jones (pic #6) is wearing them as the NFL mandates.
    http://www.soonerspo...

    Mea Culpa…this link takes you to it instead.
    http://www.soonerspo...

  • Mike Engle | January 6, 2010 at 12:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”370662″][quote comment=”370589″][quote comment=”370582″]Another interesting thing about George Hincapie (the cyclist) on of the main reasons he signed on with BMC this year is because they were willing to use his brand of cycling apparel.

    http://www.hincapie....

    So this adds George Hincapie to the short list of professional athletes who have competed in their own uniform brand. I know Brooks Robinson did this, who are the others?[/quote]

    You hockey guys can correct me if i’m wrong (like i need to say that) but i seem to remember dave christian on the caps using a christian brand of stick that i think his family manufactured. does that count?[/quote]
    Don’t know if his family owned the company, its in MN. It was shut down and has now been purchased in large part by Dustin Byfuglien of the Blackhawks who is from MN. I still use a Christian GX3, replacing my DX3. The newer ones has got to be 14 years old. Wish I could still find the blades, I loved them.[/quote]
    Never made the Christian and Dave Christian connection. But I certainly remember the Puckmaster blade and the Curtis Curve goalie stick. Neither of which I ever used.
    But noting the Teppo Numminen/Montreal sticks connection as well, that’s just equipment. I think a more appropriate comparison to George Hincapie and Brooks Robinson’s personal brands outfitting their whole team (themselves included) would be, for example, if Michael Jordan’s Bulls or Wizards actually had Jumpmen on the jocktags.
    Or, speaking of Chicago…isn’t it true that the Bears used Wilson products because of a direct connection to George Halas?

  • MPowers1634 | January 6, 2010 at 12:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”370671″][quote comment=”370618″][quote comment=”370616″]White socks too low make vast majority of players’ legs (from calves down) look skinny and brittle.

    When socks are black, also look like crows from a Warner Brothers cartoon.
    “I theeenk I see a grasshoppuuuuurrrr.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Which is exactly why I don’t like the white, becuase I have huge calves.[/quote]

    Matt has cankles? LOL[/quote]

    No, I do not!

    http://i256.photobuc...

    http://i256.photobuc...

  • MPowers1634 | January 6, 2010 at 12:04 pm |

    Further evidence:

    http://i256.photobuc...

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 12:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”370681″]http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh169/mpowerrs1634/ARK6.jpg[/quote]

    he’s on his final hole…he’s about 455 yards away…he’s gonna hit about a 2 iron i think

  • MPowers1634 | January 6, 2010 at 12:06 pm |

    osi wears ’em right

    http://i256.photobuc...

  • Steve Naismith | January 6, 2010 at 12:07 pm |

    I’m fairly certain that Iowa and Georgia Tech set a record last night for biggest disparity in back-of-helmet-jersey-number size. Iowa’s hideously oversized numbers are about 4″ x 5″ each and Tech’s looked to be a mere 0.5″ x 1″.

  • Christopher | January 6, 2010 at 12:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”370622″][quote comment=”370619″]How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?[/quote]

    Because nobody bets on baseball. That’s what this is all about.[/quote]

    Sure, that is a major part of it. There are other issues though (I live in New Orleans, so I’ve heard all the arguments from actual fans).

    1. 1 game is 1/16th of the season. 2 games 1/8th the season. If a MLB team used scrubs for 10-20 games, they’d get a similar bashing.

    2. Everyone rests in baseball (sans the rare player that plays all 162). Its part of the game. In football there is a valid argument that resting one game ruins momentum, and that its better to be playing real games as much as possible. Not sure I agree- but it IS a valid point.

  • Teebz | January 6, 2010 at 12:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”370682″]Further evidence:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    I don’t see any distinctive ankle bones there. ;o)

  • mike 2 | January 6, 2010 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”370589″][quote comment=”370582″]Another interesting thing about George Hincapie (the cyclist) on of the main reasons he signed on with BMC this year is because they were willing to use his brand of cycling apparel.

    http://www.hincapie....

    So this adds George Hincapie to the short list of professional athletes who have competed in their own uniform brand. I know Brooks Robinson did this, who are the others?[/quote]

    You hockey guys can correct me if i’m wrong (like i need to say that) but i seem to remember dave christian on the caps using a christian brand of stick that i think his family manufactured. does that count?[/quote]

    You’re correct. The family company included both Dave Christian (Miracle on Ice) as well as his father Bill and his uncle Roger, who were both gold medalists in the 1960 Winter Olympics). All from Warroad, Minnesota.

  • Teebz | January 6, 2010 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”370683″][quote comment=”370681″]http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh169/mpowerrs1634/ARK6.jpg[/quote]

    he’s on his final hole…he’s about 455 yards away…he’s gonna hit about a 2 iron i think[/quote]

    That’s pitching wedge distance for Powers. ;o)

    For those of you in northern climates, hit up the Nintendo “Wii Fit Plus”. They have a solid driving range game on there that helps with balance during your swing and shows you your swing path with their Swing Analyzer.

    Solid stuff, I must say!

  • Christopher | January 6, 2010 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”370647″][quote comment=”370619″]How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?

    —Ricko[/quote]
    162 games vs 16 games.

    Plus, baseball only has Division Winners and a Wild Card per League to contend with, and you’re really only playing divisional games at the end of the season. And the Wild Card is usually decided by then. So playing callups late in the season has a marginal at best affect on the postseason.

    Lets put it this way. The Colts rested their starters the last 3 games of the season. Thats roughly 20% of the season they didn’t play their starters. In baseball, you’d have to play callups for 31 games to have the same affect. And thats assuming these callups would be playing against teams that would directly affect the postseason seeding. If you’re playing callups with 30 games to go on a regular basis, you’re either too far out of it (would have lost the games anyway) or so far in front that nobody within your division stands a chance at the Wild Card. And because you only play intra-division in late August through the end of the season, it wouldn’t have any affect at all on the outcome of the season.[/quote]

    I didn’t read your post before posting something similar. Sorry.

    Another side point- when MLB teams rest players for 1-2 games, and play an entire team of second stringers, there IS often controversy. If the second stringers are playing a team in contention for their division or the wild card, I have many times heard another teams fans complain. It happens nearly every year in at least one close race scenario.

    I remember the White Sox in 2005 resting their starters against Cleveland. They played an entire team of their worst players. Whoever Cleveland was in the wild card hunt with (Boston?)… their fans were very, very angry that the White Sox were giving away these games.

    However, the controversy subsided when the scrub White Sox actually beat Cleveland!

  • Lukeywes1234 | January 6, 2010 at 12:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”370682″]Further evidence:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    Y Cum No HARES? Do U SHavE Lulz. BASeBaal Fun-O

  • MPowers1634 | January 6, 2010 at 12:16 pm |

    [quote comment=\”370687\”][quote comment=\”370682\”]Further evidence:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    I don\’t see any distinctive ankle bones there. ;o)[/quote]

    As if we weren\’t off topic already, I just found a picture that depresses me more than if I really did have kankles…a skinny MPowers1634:

    http://i256.photobuc...

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 12:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”370670″][quote comment=”370661″]I disagree that this sort of talk doesn’t happen in baseball.

    I haven’t heard a lot about it lately but I heard about it a lot in the 1970s-1980s. You’d have managers like Martin and Weaver accusing another team (usually one that’s out of the pennant race rather than one that’s clinched) of starting a weaker lineup to favour one team over another in a pennant race.

    They always said that it was one of the unwritten rules of baseball. In a game with pennant implications, you put your best lineup on the field even if you’re out of it and would rather get your September callups some playing time.[/quote]

    I second this motion.

    Also, in baseball, they play 162 games over approximately 200 days (give or take). During the course of those 162, pretty much every player takes a few days rest here and there. Nobody gets all freaked out when Superstar Joe Blow takes a day off in June.

    Could you imagine if the Colts had rested Petyton Manning, et al., in October? “He just needed a breather…”[/quote]

    I didn’t say it NEVER came up in baseball. And I think “I haven’t heard a lot about it lately” sort of makes my point…and Paul’s.

    But I can’t and won’t argue the importance of games that influence playoffs. That’s serious business.

    What I was addressing was fans who complain that they should get ticket refunds or something (especially because 10 years from now they’ll be saying, ‘”Hey, I was AT that game…when Caldwell pulled Manning!”).

    A little like “They’ll remember your 12 forever!” (TIN CUP).

    As far as seeing a full-fledged NFL game, you think the Giants gave it their best effort against the Vikings Sunday? That game still had potential influence on the post-season, too. The “bye” was still in play.

    Side note: Here’s one of those totally meaningless stats but still something to chew on if we want to. Using a combined margin-of-victory, margin-of-defeat total (37 up, 37 down) we could calculate that the Jets were 74 points better than the Giants Sunday.

    And, of course, the appropriate response would be, “So what.”

    LOL

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”370684″]osi wears ’em right

    http://i256.photobuc...

    If you’re Pete Maravich.

  • Lukeywes1234 | January 6, 2010 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”370692″][quote comment=\”370687\”][quote comment=\”370682\”]Further evidence:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    I don\’t see any distinctive ankle bones there. ;o)[/quote]

    As if we weren\’t off topic already, I just found a picture that depresses me more than if I really did have kankles…a skinny MPowers1634:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    2 much foods mk wyd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anthony | January 6, 2010 at 12:26 pm |

    I got here from the Twitter link… sort of. Looks like today’s tweet actually links to the post from 4/7/07.
    BTW, anybody else following UW on Twitter? I love the ease of just clicking the “new post” link!

  • Mike Engle | January 6, 2010 at 12:29 pm |

    Check out this picture of McGwire:
    http://i.cdn.turner....
    Wow, those Expos sure look powder blue, though they are gray.
    –Not Ricko

  • MPowers1634 | January 6, 2010 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”370694″][quote comment=”370684″]osi wears ’em right

    http://i256.photobuc...

    If you’re Pete Maravich.[/quote]

    I tell you what…I played like the Pistol last night. Dropped 28 last night with two threes in the last minute to win!!!

  • JTH | January 6, 2010 at 12:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”370680″]isn’t it true that the Bears used Wilson products because of a direct connection to George Halas?[/quote]
    This is true. Halas is also at least partially responsible (along with Tim Mara) for the NFL going with Wilson for its official ball.

  • Bob Loblaw | January 6, 2010 at 12:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”370622″][quote comment=”370619″]How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?[/quote]

    Because nobody bets on baseball. That’s what this is all about.[/quote]
    well….. nobody but charlie hustle, no? y

  • Ry Co 40 | January 6, 2010 at 12:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”370698″][quote comment=”370694″][quote comment=”370684″]osi wears ’em right

    http://i256.photobuc...

    If you’re Pete Maravich.[/quote]

    I tell you what…I played like the Pistol last night. Dropped 28 last night with two threes in the last minute to win!!![/quote]

    here’s an action shot from that game:

    http://blogs.nashvil...

  • Christopher | January 6, 2010 at 12:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”370693″][quote comment=”370670″][quote comment=”370661″]I disagree that this sort of talk doesn’t happen in baseball.

    I haven’t heard a lot about it lately but I heard about it a lot in the 1970s-1980s. You’d have managers like Martin and Weaver accusing another team (usually one that’s out of the pennant race rather than one that’s clinched) of starting a weaker lineup to favour one team over another in a pennant race.

    They always said that it was one of the unwritten rules of baseball. In a game with pennant implications, you put your best lineup on the field even if you’re out of it and would rather get your September callups some playing time.[/quote]

    I second this motion.

    Also, in baseball, they play 162 games over approximately 200 days (give or take). During the course of those 162, pretty much every player takes a few days rest here and there. Nobody gets all freaked out when Superstar Joe Blow takes a day off in June.

    Could you imagine if the Colts had rested Petyton Manning, et al., in October? “He just needed a breather…”[/quote]

    I didn’t say it NEVER came up in baseball. And I think “I haven’t heard a lot about it lately” sort of makes my point…and Paul’s.

    But I can’t and won’t argue the importance of games that influence playoffs. That’s serious business.

    What I was addressing was fans who complain that they should get ticket refunds or something (especially because 10 years from now they’ll be saying, ‘”Hey, I was AT that game…when Caldwell pulled Manning!”).

    A little like “They’ll remember your 12 forever!” (TIN CUP).

    As far as seeing a full-fledged NFL game, you think the Giants gave it their best effort against the Vikings Sunday? That game still had potential influence on the post-season, too. The “bye” was still in play.

    Side note: Here’s one of those totally meaningless stats but still something to chew on if we want to. Using a combined margin-of-victory, margin-of-defeat total (37 up, 37 down) we could calculate that the Jets were 74 points better than the Giants Sunday.

    And, of course, the appropriate response would be, “So what.”

    LOL

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh, anyone complaining about getting their ticket fees back is just plain silly.

    You know what you’re getting yourself into with a late-season game. Your team could be out of it, it could be a historic game remembered forever, starters could sit, the other team’s starters could sit.

  • Ry Co 40 | January 6, 2010 at 12:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”370701″][quote comment=”370698″][quote comment=”370694″][quote comment=”370684″]osi wears ’em right

    http://i256.photobuc...

    If you’re Pete Maravich.[/quote]

    I tell you what…I played like the Pistol last night. Dropped 28 last night with two threes in the last minute to win!!![/quote]

    here’s an action shot from that game:

    http://blogs.nashvil...

    and here’s his team warming up! stretch thos hammies!!!

    http://www.cityofvan...

    LOL

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 12:42 pm |

    Don’t know if his family owned the company, its in MN. It was shut down and has now been purchased in large part by Dustin Byfuglien of the Blackhawks who is from MN. I still use a Christian GX3, replacing my DX3. The newer ones has got to be 14 years old. Wish I could still find the blades, I loved them.[/quote]

    Maybe this guy can help you out:

    [quote comment=”370600″]I hated Christian hockey sticks. With a passion. They held more water in the blade than I thought was physically possible. I used them for about 3 months and will never do so again.[/quote]

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 12:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”370692″]As if we weren\’t off topic already, I just found a picture that depresses me more than if I really did have kankles…a skinny MPowers1634:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    [quote comment=”370612″]how about that brides rack!? Nice uni on her![/quote]

    wait…what?

  • Bob Loblaw | January 6, 2010 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”370656″][quote comment=”370585″]THe reds cap reminded me of the 1986 Pirates baseball cards, which I assume were taken in Spring Training 1985. The ols Pillbox caps were also all mesh.
    Mike Bielecki, for example[/quote]

    Jim Leyland’s Pirates mesh cap is clutch!

    http://www.vinewoods...
    He looks like the cat in the hat in this picture.

  • Dane | January 6, 2010 at 12:47 pm |

    RDS chimes in with their 10 ugliest hockey uniforms. A surprising #1 – not the Wild Wing, not the Burger King.

    http://www.youtube.c...

  • Bouj | January 6, 2010 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”370658″][quote comment=”370647″][quote comment=”370619″]How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?

    —Ricko[/quote]
    162 games vs 16 games.

    Plus, baseball only has Division Winners and a Wild Card per League to contend with, and you’re really only playing divisional games at the end of the season. And the Wild Card is usually decided by then. So playing callups late in the season has a marginal at best affect on the postseason.

    Lets put it this way. The Colts rested their starters the last 3 games of the season. Thats roughly 20% of the season they didn’t play their starters. In baseball, you’d have to play callups for 31 games to have the same affect. And thats assuming these callups would be playing against teams that would directly affect the postseason seeding. If you’re playing callups with 30 games to go on a regular basis, you’re either too far out of it (would have lost the games anyway) or so far in front that nobody within your division stands a chance at the Wild Card. And because you only play intra-division in late August through the end of the season, it wouldn’t have any affect at all on the outcome of the season.[/quote]

    Colts actually played all out to go to 14-0 against Jacksonville.

    http://sports.espn.g...

    Then they pulled their starters after 1 half against NYJ. So in reality it was 1.5 games which is 9.375% which translated to baseball games would be 15 games. And of course we all know that pitchers pitch 9 innings every game.[/quote]

    They try to when they have a perfect game or no-hitter going. I didn’t see Mark Buerhle tell Guillen, “I’m good for today,” after 8 innings in the perfecto this season.

    And teams do take grief for tanking with scrubs in baseball. Even back in 1991, the Astros were in full-fledged white flag mode the final weeks of the season, playing all back-ups and call-ups. They went to Atlanta on the final weekend. LA was REALLY angry when the Braves got 3 shots at the Astros’ scrubs while they had to face the Giants, who love nothing more than to stick it to LA when they can. You all know how that ended.

  • Steve Naismith | January 6, 2010 at 12:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”370612″]The black Mets shirts in the wedding pic are great in all…yada yada…but how about that brides rack!?[/quote]
    Isn’t plastic surgery amazing?

  • Stoops | January 6, 2010 at 12:53 pm |

    I always loved the Hawkeyes uniforms.
    That Coach Fry brought in. When my one cousin was recruited to play there Bob Commings was still the coach.
    except when a few years they were um well….not great and I think they had a Reebok contract and two sets of unis were very high school. But Coach Fry got them back into their \”Steeler\” style uniform. When my cousins played there-the simplicity of it. I thought the numbers on the back worked really large like that-gives the helmet a unique look with the Tiger Hawk logo.
    Going to games there was great-black and gold-everywhere!
    -Stoops

  • Bob Sullivan | January 6, 2010 at 12:58 pm |

    In a completely unrelated note, I need some tackle twill fabric. I’m trying to re-create the snake numbers that used to be on the columbus cottonmouths hockey sweaters. The team doesn’t use the snake numbers anymore, and I got a quote of $125 from some nice folks who were willing to make the numbers for me. That’s a bit much for my taste, so I want to DIY it. If anyone can point me to a place where I can purchase a yard or two of gold and white tackle twill fabric, it’s much appreciated. I found pleant of sites that sell the numbers, but have come up empty in trying to locate the fabric. I’m willing to document this DIY project for the site.

    Thanks very much.

    Bob Sullivan
    Elverson, PA

  • DarkAudit | January 6, 2010 at 12:58 pm |

    Dammit! WAJR is *here*. As in the studios are only a mile or so away. :(

    So what did I miss?

  • Paul Lukas | January 6, 2010 at 12:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”370697″]Check out this picture of McGwire:
    http://i.cdn.turner....
    Wow, those Expos sure look powder blue, though they are gray.
    –Not Ricko[/quote]

    More importantly, look how you can see the Cards’ striped two-in-ones under McGwire’s pant legs.

  • Evan Aczon | January 6, 2010 at 1:01 pm |

    Can someone find a picture of this?

    “RT @dcsportsbog Giants 2B Manny Burriss is here, in a customized Caps “Burriss” jersey.”

  • JTH | January 6, 2010 at 1:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”370707″]RDS chimes in with their 10 ugliest hockey uniforms. A surprising #1 – not the Wild Wing, not the Burger King.

    http://www.youtube.c...
    Hmm… RDS is Montreal-based, no? Are they sticking it to the Habs’ arch-rivals with that #1 pick?

    OK, so Wild Wing & Burger King didn’t make the top two, but how great is it that we get to see TWO clips of them facing each other in that video?

  • Lukeywes1234 | January 6, 2010 at 1:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”370709″][quote comment=”370612″]The black Mets shirts in the wedding pic are great in all…yada yada…but how about that brides rack!?[/quote]
    Isn’t plastic surgery amazing?[/quote]
    Awww Geeez! Lulz noobs.

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 1:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”370706″][quote comment=”370656″][quote comment=”370585″]THe reds cap reminded me of the 1986 Pirates baseball cards, which I assume were taken in Spring Training 1985. The ols Pillbox caps were also all mesh.
    Mike Bielecki, for example[/quote]

    Jim Leyland’s Pirates mesh cap is clutch!

    http://www.vinewoods...
    He looks like the cat in the hat in this picture.[/quote]

    Or he’ll be playing the conductor in POLAR EXPRESS II.

    —Ricko

  • rpm | January 6, 2010 at 1:06 pm |

    re SF:
    i am sure someone like ricko answered this early in the day, but i believe the SF being used by the topps giants is a seals treatment accurate to what they were wearing when the giants moved to the left coast. i looked for photos, but found nothing interesting

  • Ry Co 40 | January 6, 2010 at 1:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”370711″]In a completely unrelated note, I need some tackle twill fabric. I’m trying to re-create the snake numbers that used to be on the columbus cottonmouths hockey sweaters. The team doesn’t use the snake numbers anymore, and I got a quote of $125 from some nice folks who were willing to make the numbers for me. That’s a bit much for my taste, so I want to DIY it. If anyone can point me to a place where I can purchase a yard or two of gold and white tackle twill fabric, it’s much appreciated. I found pleant of sites that sell the numbers, but have come up empty in trying to locate the fabric. I’m willing to document this DIY project for the site.

    Thanks very much.

    Bob Sullivan
    Elverson, PA[/quote]

    gmail me:

    ryco40

  • Jeff | January 6, 2010 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”370718″]re SF:
    i am sure someone like ricko answered this early in the day, but i believe the SF being used by the topps giants is a seals treatment accurate to what they were wearing when the giants moved to the left coast. i looked for photos, but found nothing interesting[/quote]

    Kinda like this http://www.onlinespo....

    I have also seen a cap with a red S and white F, although have found not photographic evidence from the time, due to black and white film and such.

  • Kenny Jacobson | January 6, 2010 at 1:29 pm |

    If only all the teams that are whining about other teams resting guys had paid as much attention to winning their own games.

  • MPowers1634 | January 6, 2010 at 1:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”370719″][quote comment=”370711″]In a completely unrelated note, I need some tackle twill fabric. I’m trying to re-create the snake numbers that used to be on the columbus cottonmouths hockey sweaters. The team doesn’t use the snake numbers anymore, and I got a quote of $125 from some nice folks who were willing to make the numbers for me. That’s a bit much for my taste, so I want to DIY it. If anyone can point me to a place where I can purchase a yard or two of gold and white tackle twill fabric, it’s much appreciated. I found pleant of sites that sell the numbers, but have come up empty in trying to locate the fabric. I’m willing to document this DIY project for the site.

    Thanks very much.

    Bob Sullivan
    Elverson, PA[/quote]

    gmail me:

    ryco40[/quote]

    isn’t tackle twill a bear to cut?

  • Jet | January 6, 2010 at 1:40 pm |

    Today’s wire photo discoveries are absolute gold. That Senators white cap/sock issue is fascinating.

  • Jet | January 6, 2010 at 1:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”370597″]

    Re the Giants cap logo, that’s a very slightly modified version of the final San Francisco Seals (PCL) cap logo.[/quote]

    Good catch with the SF Seals cap. I was certain I had seen that logo before somewhere.

  • Ry Co 40 | January 6, 2010 at 1:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”370722″][quote comment=”370719″][quote comment=”370711″]In a completely unrelated note, I need some tackle twill fabric. I’m trying to re-create the snake numbers that used to be on the columbus cottonmouths hockey sweaters. The team doesn’t use the snake numbers anymore, and I got a quote of $125 from some nice folks who were willing to make the numbers for me. That’s a bit much for my taste, so I want to DIY it. If anyone can point me to a place where I can purchase a yard or two of gold and white tackle twill fabric, it’s much appreciated. I found pleant of sites that sell the numbers, but have come up empty in trying to locate the fabric. I’m willing to document this DIY project for the site.

    Thanks very much.

    Bob Sullivan
    Elverson, PA[/quote]

    gmail me:

    ryco40[/quote]

    isn’t tackle twill a bear to cut?[/quote]

    not at all! actually pretty easy…

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 1:49 pm |

    isn’t tackle twill a bear to cut?

    He actually plays guard, and a lot of those holding penalties were border-line.

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 1:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”370725″][quote comment=”370722″]

    isn’t tackle twill a bear to cut?[/quote]

    not at all! actually pretty easy…[/quote]

    just look at these fabulous results!

  • JTH | January 6, 2010 at 2:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”370726″]isn’t tackle twill a bear to cut?

    He actually plays guard, and a lot of those holding penalties were border-line.[/quote]
    You said it. Tackle Pace is the Bear to cut.

  • Ry Co 40 | January 6, 2010 at 2:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”370727″][quote comment=”370725″][quote comment=”370722″]

    isn’t tackle twill a bear to cut?[/quote]

    not at all! actually pretty easy…[/quote]

    just look at these fabulous results![/quote]

    LOL!!! thanks a lot buddy… now i have to go back to therapy for 4 more months…

  • Geeman | January 6, 2010 at 2:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”370672″]I was looking for a reference of the Billy Martin-coached Oakland A’s wearing white undershirts and ran across this: http://findarticles....
    In it:
    • Martin, managing the Yankees, was complaining about the White Sox pitcher wearing a white undershirt and had it removed.
    • Joe Adcock complaining — also in ’67 — about the A’s white shoes.
    • Efforts to have pitchers’ jewelry removed because of perceived distraction.
    If I remember correctly, about those Oakland A’s white undershirts, not only were they white, but cut also so they were a flappin in the wind. Billy knew the rule book and could play both sides against the other[/quote]

    Look in the April 1981 Sports Illustrated with the five A’s aces on the cover. Inside is a story about the A’s and there are pictures of them in their white undershirts, which looked like long johns.

  • Geeman | January 6, 2010 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”370659″][quote comment=”370624″]It’s also because no one cares if you win 95 or 97 games in baseball, whereas there’s a big difference between going 16-0 or 14-2.[/quote]

    Tell that to the 2007 Mets.[/quote]

    I mean, only if a playoff berth is not at stake.

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”370720″][quote comment=”370718″]re SF:
    i am sure someone like ricko answered this early in the day, but i believe the SF being used by the topps giants is a seals treatment accurate to what they were wearing when the giants moved to the left coast. i looked for photos, but found nothing interesting[/quote]

    Kinda like this http://www.onlinespo....

    I have also seen a cap with a red S and white F, although have found not photographic evidence from the time, due to black and white film and such.[/quote]

    Yup, that last couple years of their existence, the Seals were a AAA affiliate of the Red Sox, and their unis were a version of the parent club. Same colors, same stirrups, same fonts home and road, and the hat logo became the two-color version you described.

    That’s why, after a decade or so of being associated with the Giants, the Minneapolis Millers became a Red Sox farm team from ’58 through ’60. Because the Giants had “usurped” the Red Sox minor league AAA market in SF, they “surrendered” Minneapolis to the Red Sox, and moved their AAA operation to the PCL, which included Phoenix (PCL having had it’s LA and SF franchises lost to MLB moving west). The Hollywood Stars earlier had moved to Hawaii.

    Not a good look at the hat, but here’s the uni…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Go to ebay, search “pcl popcorn” and you’ll usually find all KINDS of b&w image of PCL unis, circa ’57-’58.

    —Ricko

  • Geeman | January 6, 2010 at 2:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”370730″][quote comment=”370672″]I was looking for a reference of the Billy Martin-coached Oakland A’s wearing white undershirts and ran across this: http://findarticles....
    In it:
    • Martin, managing the Yankees, was complaining about the White Sox pitcher wearing a white undershirt and had it removed.
    • Joe Adcock complaining — also in ’67 — about the A’s white shoes.
    • Efforts to have pitchers’ jewelry removed because of perceived distraction.
    If I remember correctly, about those Oakland A’s white undershirts, not only were they white, but cut also so they were a flappin in the wind. Billy knew the rule book and could play both sides against the other[/quote]

    Look in the April 1981 Sports Illustrated with the five A’s aces on the cover. Inside is a story about the A’s and there are pictures of them in their white undershirts, which looked like long johns.[/quote]

    There you go.

    http://sportsillustr...

  • Chris from Carver | January 6, 2010 at 2:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”370715″][quote comment=”370707″]RDS chimes in with their 10 ugliest hockey uniforms. A surprising #1 – not the Wild Wing, not the Burger King.

    http://www.youtube.c...
    Hmm… RDS is Montreal-based, no? Are they sticking it to the Habs’ arch-rivals with that #1 pick?

    OK, so Wild Wing & Burger King didn’t make the top two, but how great is it that we get to see TWO clips of them facing each other in that video?[/quote]
    I’m a Bruins fan, and I agree with them. Those were hideous, ludicrous, and outrageous. Watching games with them in those, was like watching a game now when Rene Rancourt doesn’t sing the national anthem, it just not the same.

  • Geeman | January 6, 2010 at 2:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”370730″][quote comment=”370672″]I was looking for a reference of the Billy Martin-coached Oakland A’s wearing white undershirts and ran across this: http://findarticles....
    In it:
    • Martin, managing the Yankees, was complaining about the White Sox pitcher wearing a white undershirt and had it removed.
    • Joe Adcock complaining — also in ’67 — about the A’s white shoes.
    • Efforts to have pitchers’ jewelry removed because of perceived distraction.
    If I remember correctly, about those Oakland A’s white undershirts, not only were they white, but cut also so they were a flappin in the wind. Billy knew the rule book and could play both sides against the other[/quote]

    Look in the April 1981 Sports Illustrated with the five A’s aces on the cover. Inside is a story about the A’s and there are pictures of them in their white undershirts, which looked like long johns.[/quote]

    Page 25 of the above link (April 27, 1981).

  • iLO | January 6, 2010 at 2:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”370691″][quote comment=”370682″]Further evidence:

    http://i256.photobuc...

    Y Cum No HARES? Do U SHavE Lulz. BASeBaal Fun-O[/quote]

    Homestarr?

  • Bob Loblaw | January 6, 2010 at 2:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”370724″][quote comment=”370597″]

    Re the Giants cap logo, that’s a very slightly modified version of the final San Francisco Seals (PCL) cap logo.[/quote]

    Good catch with the SF Seals cap. I was certain I had seen that logo before somewhere.[/quote]
    Doesn’t Fresno State baseball use the very same logo?

  • Brian | January 6, 2010 at 2:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”370697″]Check out this picture of McGwire:
    http://i.cdn.turner....
    Wow, those Expos sure look powder blue, though they are gray.
    –Not Ricko[/quote]
    I might get some heat from this statement, but if today’s players insist on wearing their pants down to their shoes instead of the proper length, I wouldn’t mind too much to see them worn like Big Mac in that pic, as opposed to how some of the current guys wear them. (I’m looking at you, Prince Fielder…)

  • Brian | January 6, 2010 at 2:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”370737″][quote comment=”370724″][quote comment=”370597″]

    Re the Giants cap logo, that’s a very slightly modified version of the final San Francisco Seals (PCL) cap logo.[/quote]

    Good catch with the SF Seals cap. I was certain I had seen that logo before somewhere.[/quote]
    Doesn’t Fresno State baseball use the very same logo?[/quote]
    Not quite. Kinda similar, though.
    http://upload.wikime...

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 2:33 pm |

    http://farm3.static....

    Iowa won that game 12-10. The Hawkeye helmet was decent looking. I liked the Iowa helmet with flying Hawkeye the most.

  • Marc M. | January 6, 2010 at 2:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”370622″][quote comment=”370619″]How come no one gets all up and indignant when MLB teans give September call ups playing time or starting pitching gigs?[/quote]

    Because nobody bets on baseball. That’s what this is all about.[/quote]

    “I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!”

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 2:33 pm |

    re: SF Seals.

    Should make this clear: Red Sox affiliate Seals altered the caps very little. Button and eyelets were no longer white, and the “F” in the logo became red. Changes to hat logo itself were very slight. Edges rounded off a bit, as I recall, “S” was less “pointy”.

    Still, the issue is, those those logos were the inspiration for the “created” Giants images for the’58 Topps cards printed prior to the ’58 season.

    (Last time I saw one of those hats—the Red Sox version– was in a souvenir shop along Fisherman’s Wharf in ’04. Didn’t buy it. Was back there in ’05, couldn’t find it again.)

    —Ricko

  • Tom from Chicago | January 6, 2010 at 2:34 pm |

    It looks like the photo of the LA Dodgers (including Hodges) relocating home plate from Ebbetts to LA, is not atually at the Colosseum. Looks like there’s an overhang/upper deck in this photo, no? Maybe it was at the LA-Wrigley Field. Given photos of Colosseum I’ve seen, there’s no deck or overhang, right?

  • Tom from Chicago | January 6, 2010 at 2:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”370588″]The interesting thing about that Dodgers picture, besides the uniforms is – Where was it taken? It’s not the coliseum, so was it Wrigley LA (they briefly thought about using it)? Vero Beach (makes sense for February)?[/quote]
    Whoops, I missed your post. Agree completely. I guessed Wrigley LA as well, but only guessed. Never been to Vero

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 2:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”370744″][quote comment=”370588″]The interesting thing about that Dodgers picture, besides the uniforms is – Where was it taken? It’s not the coliseum, so was it Wrigley LA (they briefly thought about using it)? Vero Beach (makes sense for February)?[/quote]
    Whoops, I missed your post. Agree completely. I guessed Wrigley LA as well, but only guessed. Never been to Vero[/quote]

    And they borrowed the road unis from the final PCL Los Angeles Angels for the photo op…
    http://shop.ebay.com...
    http://www.ebbets.co...

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 2:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”370733″][quote comment=”370730″][quote comment=”370672″]I was looking for a reference of the Billy Martin-coached Oakland A’s wearing white undershirts and ran across this: http://findarticles....
    In it:
    • Martin, managing the Yankees, was complaining about the White Sox pitcher wearing a white undershirt and had it removed.
    • Joe Adcock complaining — also in ’67 — about the A’s white shoes.
    • Efforts to have pitchers’ jewelry removed because of perceived distraction.
    If I remember correctly, about those Oakland A’s white undershirts, not only were they white, but cut also so they were a flappin in the wind. Billy knew the rule book and could play both sides against the other[/quote]

    Look in the April 1981 Sports Illustrated with the five A’s aces on the cover. Inside is a story about the A’s and there are pictures of them in their white undershirts, which looked like long johns.[/quote]

    There you go.

    http://sportsillustr...

    awesome…5 aces…5 HOFers

    here’s those all white sleeved/white uni a’s

    anyone know brian kingman’s claim to fame?

    /damn mike maroth

  • Joseph Skiba | January 6, 2010 at 2:46 pm |

    Just to let the uniwatchers know…for the 2010 season we will continue to use the Reebok seamless jersey…fire away at me…

  • Kek | January 6, 2010 at 2:50 pm |

    The gambling/fantasy angle for football doesn’t play with me. Handicappers and fantasy players need to factor that in. It’s another variable.

  • Hott Rodd | January 6, 2010 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”370747″]Just to let the uniwatchers know…for the 2010 season we will continue to use the Reebok seamless jersey…fire away at me…[/quote]

    Any word on any other teams screwing up the jerseys?

  • MPowers1634 | January 6, 2010 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”370747″]Just to let the uniwatchers know…for the 2010 season we will continue to use the Reebok seamless jersey…fire away at me…[/quote]

    Blah…However…I was wondering:

    A. When will the tours of your equipment room commence?

    B. Do you need any help inventorying gear or moving stuff aross the way?

  • rpm | January 6, 2010 at 2:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”370732″][quote comment=”370720″][quote comment=”370718″]re SF:
    i am sure someone like ricko answered this early in the day, but i believe the SF being used by the topps giants is a seals treatment accurate to what they were wearing when the giants moved to the left coast. i looked for photos, but found nothing interesting[/quote]

    Kinda like this http://www.onlinespo....

    I have also seen a cap with a red S and white F, although have found not photographic evidence from the time, due to black and white film and such.[/quote]

    Yup, that last couple years of their existence, the Seals were a AAA affiliate of the Red Sox, and their unis were a version of the parent club. Same colors, same stirrups, same fonts home and road, and the hat logo became the two-color version you described.

    That’s why, after a decade or so of being associated with the Giants, the Minneapolis Millers became a Red Sox farm team from ’58 through ’60. Because the Giants had “usurped” the Red Sox minor league AAA market in SF, they “surrendered” Minneapolis to the Red Sox, and moved their AAA operation to the PCL, which included Phoenix (PCL having had it’s LA and SF franchises lost to MLB moving west). The Hollywood Stars earlier had moved to Hawaii.

    Not a good look at the hat, but here’s the uni…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Go to ebay, search “pcl popcorn” and you’ll usually find all KINDS of b&w image of PCL unis, circa ’57-’58.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    yeah, i found all the look at our throwback cap sites, and logo blogs, but couldn’t find a good pixture, and i don’t fully trust the sites without seeing it myself, and i know i have somewhere, maybe i have a book around here i can scan. this is a pretty good one though sir.

  • Jim BC | January 6, 2010 at 3:06 pm |

    The Hawk is in the Hall! Finally… and check out the powder blues:

    http://www.tsn.ca/St...

  • Jeff P | January 6, 2010 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”370738″][quote comment=”370697″]Check out this picture of McGwire:
    http://i.cdn.turner....
    Wow, those Expos sure look powder blue, though they are gray.
    –Not Ricko[/quote]
    I might get some heat from this statement, but if today’s players insist on wearing their pants down to their shoes instead of the proper length, I wouldn’t mind too much to see them worn like Big Mac in that pic, as opposed to how some of the current guys wear them. (I’m looking at you, Prince Fielder…)[/quote]

    Completely agree. If you’re not going to wear sock, much less stirrups, that’s the best way to go.

    For an example (as a yankees fan, so those are the players I remember best), compare Jeter to Sabathia. No contest.

  • aflfan | January 6, 2010 at 3:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”370752″]The Hawk is in the Hall! Finally… and check out the powder blues:

    http://www.tsn.ca/St...

    When I was a student working in the equipment room at Saginaw Valley the baseball team had uniforms just like that but the powder blue was gray. I made the spring trip with them to get the red clay out of them.

  • Geeman | January 6, 2010 at 3:16 pm |

    Anyone know why the A’s wore white shirts with white jerseys in 1981? Was it for some tactical advantage or was it a fashion statement? Or were they long johns and it was just oold in Oakland that spring?

  • JN | January 6, 2010 at 3:16 pm |

    re: Welker

    I work at an orthopedic hospital in NYC and work specifically in sports medicine. I can’t speak for all institutions outside of mine, but there has been an increase in the number of studies looking at the effect of shoes on knee injuries in football players. Not only are they looking at how shoes are gripping onto the surface of the playing field, but, at least here, we’ve been looking at the interaction of shoe/surface interface (i.e. molded cleats on grass vs. detachable cleats on field turf, etc.). We’ve gotten some preliminary results that have been presented at some academic conferences that found there was an association but we’ll need a lot more patients before we can say anything definitive enough to make it to the general public.

    Not sure how the clinicians were recording the information of the D-III player who blew out his knee, but I’m assuming they’re not blaming Nike for this problem. I assume that they are also doing similar research that we’re doing here.

    I know it’s probably too boring to read through, but I’d be willing to forward anyone any information regarding the studies if they were interested.

  • JTH | January 6, 2010 at 3:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”370754″][quote comment=”370752″]The Hawk is in the Hall! Finally… and check out the powder blues:

    http://www.tsn.ca/St...

    When I was a student working in the equipment room at Saginaw Valley the baseball team had uniforms just like that but the powder blue was gray. I made the spring trip with them to get the red clay out of them.[/quote]
    So, the obvious question: which cap should he choose for his plaque? Discuss.

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”370752″]The Hawk is in the Hall! Finally… and check out the powder blues:

    http://www.tsn.ca/St...

    *wipes brow*

    for a minute, i thought you were talking about this guy

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 3:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”370758″][quote comment=”370752″]The Hawk is in the Hall! Finally… and check out the powder blues:

    http://www.tsn.ca/St...

    *wipes brow*

    for a minute, i thought you were talking about this guy[/quote]

    or this guy:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • Bob Loblaw | January 6, 2010 at 3:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”370747″]Just to let the uniwatchers know…for the 2010 season we will continue to use the Reebok seamless jersey…fire away at me…[/quote]

    Relax Joe….

    At this point, the crappy shirts are reason #15 to be upset at the organization!!!! rest easy – you’re off the hook.

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 3:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”370759″][quote comment=”370758″][quote comment=”370752″]The Hawk is in the Hall! Finally… and check out the powder blues:

    http://www.tsn.ca/St...

    *wipes brow*

    for a minute, i thought you were talking about this guy[/quote]

    or this guy:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    do over:

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 3:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”370761″][quote comment=”370759″][quote comment=”370758″][quote comment=”370752″]The Hawk is in the Hall! Finally… and check out the powder blues:

    http://www.tsn.ca/St...

    *wipes brow*

    for a minute, i thought you were talking about this guy[/quote]

    or this guy:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    do over:[/quote]

    frig:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

  • M.Princip | January 6, 2010 at 3:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”370740″]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2730/4251082760_672668c173_o.png

    Iowa won that game 12-10. The Hawkeye helmet was decent looking. I liked the Iowa helmet with flying Hawkeye the most.[/quote]

    This is my fave Iowa helmet: http://www.helmethut...

    In general, I hate the fact that Iowa’s uniform is identical to the Steelers uni, or, vice versa. I mean, I like the uniform overall, however, it be nice to see Iowa get away from it a bit.

  • Kyle@IU | January 6, 2010 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”370758″][quote comment=”370752″]The Hawk is in the Hall! Finally… and check out the powder blues:

    http://www.tsn.ca/St...

    *wipes brow*

    for a minute, i thought you were talking about this guy[/quote]

    put it on the boooaaaaarrrrd….but not in the HOF, for the love of god.

  • RS Rogers | January 6, 2010 at 3:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”370666″]When is MLB Properties going to make a white Senators cap available? That would be great to have — just like the white A’s coaches hats from the 70s.![/quote]

    Problem: none of the logos used by MLB Properties for Senators caps even remotely resembles the actual Senators cap logo. First, MLB Properties needs to create an accurate curly W logo. Then we can worry about what color cap they put it on.

    In the meantime, what we need is a regular Nats cap, with white fabric and the appropriate blue/red combo for the W and the outline.

  • Kyle@IU | January 6, 2010 at 3:47 pm |

    re: the cameraman in the MLB shirt,

    I interact with ESPN and Big Ten Network guys quite a bit when I work at IU games. BTN hires local freelancers, so their guys tend to have Pacers, Colts, or Indy Racing League gear somewhere on them. More often than not, ESPN’s camera-people will wear the “ESPN College Football” logo regardless of what sport they are taping that day.

  • Bob Loblaw | January 6, 2010 at 3:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”370762″][quote comment=”370761″][quote comment=”370759″][quote comment=”370758″][quote comment=”370752″]The Hawk is in the Hall! Finally… and check out the powder blues:

    http://www.tsn.ca/St...

    *wipes brow*

    for a minute, i thought you were talking about this guy[/quote]

    or this guy:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    do over:[/quote]

    frig:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Or this guy: http://www.flickr.co...

  • jesse | January 6, 2010 at 3:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”370765″][quote comment=”370666″]When is MLB Properties going to make a white Senators cap available? That would be great to have — just like the white A’s coaches hats from the 70s.![/quote]

    Problem: none of the logos used by MLB Properties for Senators caps even remotely resembles the actual Senators cap logo. First, MLB Properties needs to create an accurate curly W logo. Then we can worry about what color cap they put it on.

    In the meantime, what we need is a regular Nats cap, with white fabric and the appropriate blue/red combo for the W and the outline.[/quote]
    All that needs to happen is utilize the Nats W. That is an exact representation of the Senators W.

  • JTH | January 6, 2010 at 3:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”370755″]Anyone know why the A’s wore white shirts with white jerseys in 1981? Was it for some tactical advantage or was it a fashion statement? Or were they long johns and it was just oold in Oakland that spring?[/quote]
    Trying to start another White War?

  • Geeman | January 6, 2010 at 3:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”370763″][quote comment=”370740″]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2730/4251082760_672668c173_o.png

    Iowa won that game 12-10. The Hawkeye helmet was decent looking. I liked the Iowa helmet with flying Hawkeye the most.[/quote]

    This is my fave Iowa helmet: http://www.helmethut...

    In general, I hate the fact that Iowa’s uniform is identical to the Steelers uni, or, vice versa. I mean, I like the uniform overall, however, it be nice to see Iowa get away from it a bit.[/quote]

    Have they worn that uni continuously since Hayde came in the late 1970s/early 1980s (throwbacks excepted)? It is a great uni. The helemt is different than the Steelers’, and if they went back to low-cut white collegiate socks that would be another distinguishing mark. I vaguely remember some great throwbacks back in 2002 or so.

  • Bernard | January 6, 2010 at 3:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”370759″][quote comment=”370758″][quote comment=”370752″]The Hawk is in the Hall! Finally… and check out the powder blues:

    http://www.tsn.ca/St...

    *wipes brow*

    for a minute, i thought you were talking about this guy[/quote]

    or this guy:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Or this guy:

    http://www.wrestling...

  • M.Princip | January 6, 2010 at 4:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”370770″][quote comment=”370763″][quote comment=”370740″]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2730/4251082760_672668c173_o.png

    Iowa won that game 12-10. The Hawkeye helmet was decent looking. I liked the Iowa helmet with flying Hawkeye the most.[/quote]

    This is my fave Iowa helmet: http://www.helmethut...

    In general, I hate the fact that Iowa’s uniform is identical to the Steelers uni, or, vice versa. I mean, I like the uniform overall, however, it be nice to see Iowa get away from it a bit.[/quote]

    Have they worn that uni continuously since Hayde came in the late 1970s/early 1980s (throwbacks excepted)? [/quote]

    Yep! Thus, switch it up a bit…..I don’t know, maybe invert the colors, or, do some special striping; i.e. break up that bold side pant stripe? Simply vary it up a bit, all the while staying classy with the general uniform look.

  • Teebz | January 6, 2010 at 4:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”370734″][quote comment=”370715″][quote comment=”370707″]RDS chimes in with their 10 ugliest hockey uniforms. A surprising #1 – not the Wild Wing, not the Burger King.

    http://www.youtube.c...
    Hmm… RDS is Montreal-based, no? Are they sticking it to the Habs’ arch-rivals with that #1 pick?

    OK, so Wild Wing & Burger King didn’t make the top two, but how great is it that we get to see TWO clips of them facing each other in that video?[/quote]
    I’m a Bruins fan, and I agree with them. Those were hideous, ludicrous, and outrageous. Watching games with them in those, was like watching a game now when Rene Rancourt doesn’t sing the national anthem, it just not the same.[/quote]

    I have one of those. I love that jersey… because everyone hates it!

  • ShaunT | January 6, 2010 at 4:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”370652″]hahahaha i was typing earlier and the page messed up on me. musta posted.

    Still have no idea why anyone would suggest splitting the pac10 into divisions[/quote]

    because splitting it into two divisions would allow for a conference championship game

  • Sam | January 6, 2010 at 4:35 pm |

    Check out Oregon’s new student athlete academic center. Pretty unbelievable facility. Be sure to click on the “slideshow” tab for a bunch of photos.

    http://www.registerg...

  • aflfan | January 6, 2010 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”370774″][quote comment=”370652″]hahahaha i was typing earlier and the page messed up on me. musta posted.

    Still have no idea why anyone would suggest splitting the pac10 into divisions[/quote]

    because splitting it into two divisions would allow for a conference championship game[/quote]

    They need to have 12 team before the NCAA will sanction the championship game.

  • Jim BC | January 6, 2010 at 4:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”370757″][quote comment=”370754″][quote comment=”370752″]The Hawk is in the Hall! Finally… and check out the powder blues:

    http://www.tsn.ca/St...

    When I was a student working in the equipment room at Saginaw Valley the baseball team had uniforms just like that but the powder blue was gray. I made the spring trip with them to get the red clay out of them.[/quote]
    So, the obvious question: which cap should he choose for his plaque? Discuss.[/quote]
    Come on! Please, oh, please let it be this one:

    http://home.paonline...

  • Jim BC | January 6, 2010 at 4:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”370757″][quote comment=”370754″][quote comment=”370752″]The Hawk is in the Hall! Finally… and check out the powder blues:

    http://www.tsn.ca/St...

    When I was a student working in the equipment room at Saginaw Valley the baseball team had uniforms just like that but the powder blue was gray. I made the spring trip with them to get the red clay out of them.[/quote]
    So, the obvious question: which cap should he choose for his plaque? Discuss.[/quote]
    Come on! Please, oh, please, let it be this one:

    http://home.paonline...

  • Bernard | January 6, 2010 at 4:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”370775″]Check out Oregon’s new student athlete academic center. Pretty unbelievable facility. Be sure to click on the “slideshow” tab for a bunch of photos.

    http://www.registerg...

    Place looks amazing, but they misspelled “Nike” in the article heading…

  • Flip | January 6, 2010 at 4:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”370733″][quote comment=”370730″][quote comment=”370672″]I was looking for a reference of the Billy Martin-coached Oakland A’s wearing white undershirts and ran across this: http://findarticles....
    In it:
    • Martin, managing the Yankees, was complaining about the White Sox pitcher wearing a white undershirt and had it removed.
    • Joe Adcock complaining — also in ’67 — about the A’s white shoes.
    • Efforts to have pitchers’ jewelry removed because of perceived distraction.
    If I remember correctly, about those Oakland A’s white undershirts, not only were they white, but cut also so they were a flappin in the wind. Billy knew the rule book and could play both sides against the other[/quote]

    Look in the April 1981 Sports Illustrated with the five A’s aces on the cover. Inside is a story about the A’s and there are pictures of them in their white undershirts, which looked like long johns.[/quote]

    There you go.

    http://sportsillustr...
    That’s it. And a close-up http://picasaweb.goo...

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 4:53 pm |

    I think the Big Ten should have a six-team division and five-team division, shorten the season to five games, and everyone makes the playoffs, with the first-place team getting a bye in the first round.

    Except that’s not quite perfect because it wouldn’t render the regular season totally meaningless. It would still decide who got the bye.

    Damn, need that 12th team. You say neither a 10-team or 12-team format really works? Who cares, it’s a whole lotta playoff games.

    Cuz after all, only a playoff can determine who’s any good, right? Someone went undeated? So what.

    Oh, and Nike would supply all new unis for the playoffs, calling it “Honoring the Proud Traditions of Big Ten Football by Totally Revamping It”, and some would actually be in current school colors (except the teams with other contracts, of course; they’d just have to block out their logos). It would be like the Little League World Series that way. How cool.

    Of course, with Gophers, Wildcats, Badgers, Wolverines, Lions, Hawkeyes, Illini and Buckeyes in the mix those new textured unis might make the whole thing look like the stage production of “The Lion King”, but that would be kinda neato. Fur, stripes, feathers, claws, talons, leaves…golly, the possibilities are almost endless for the Beaverton Costume Department.

    And, when the team that finishes 8th wins it, we can bitch about how they just lucked out and didn’t really “deserve” it.

    Like the Cardinals in the Super Bowl last year.

    —Ricko
    (TFPIC, okay? But still making something of a point)

  • Geeman | January 6, 2010 at 4:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”370776″][quote comment=”370774″][quote comment=”370652″]hahahaha i was typing earlier and the page messed up on me. musta posted.

    Still have no idea why anyone would suggest splitting the pac10 into divisions[/quote]

    because splitting it into two divisions would allow for a conference championship game[/quote]

    They need to have 12 team before the NCAA will sanction the championship game.[/quote]

    When the NCAA goes to a football playoff, which will get eliminated, the conference championship games or the 12th regular season game?

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 5:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”370776″][quote comment=”370774″][quote comment=”370652″]hahahaha i was typing earlier and the page messed up on me. musta posted.

    Still have no idea why anyone would suggest splitting the pac10 into divisions[/quote]

    because splitting it into two divisions would allow for a conference championship game[/quote]

    They need to have 12 team before the NCAA will sanction the championship game.[/quote]

    right

    so ask notre dame again (for the big 10)

    10 years ago with that fat NBC contract they could politely tell the big 10 eleven to eff off

    now…not so much

    be awesome to see 6-5 ND defeat 10-1 tOSU in a playoff

    /tfpic

  • aflfan | January 6, 2010 at 5:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”370782″][quote comment=”370776″][quote comment=”370774″][quote comment=”370652″]hahahaha i was typing earlier and the page messed up on me. musta posted.

    Still have no idea why anyone would suggest splitting the pac10 into divisions[/quote]

    because splitting it into two divisions would allow for a conference championship game[/quote]

    They need to have 12 team before the NCAA will sanction the championship game.[/quote]

    When the NCAA goes to a football playoff, which will get eliminated, the conference championship games or the 12th regular season game?[/quote]

    My guess would be the 12th regular season game because the conference championship game is a cash cow for the conference. I wouldn’t hold your breath for the FBS playoff anytime soon. There is a contract for the BCS through 2013 if I remember right.

  • Geeman | January 6, 2010 at 5:09 pm |

    That means a playoff is only five years away.

    I’d like to see the 12th game go. It’s a cash cow for all the schools, not just the conferences that have a playoff.

    Ricko’s idea sounds interesting, but has one flaw. What about the consolation playoffs for the losers? You know, so everyone feels good about their seasons and get, say, an Auto Zone PapaJohn’s Pizza Big Ten Consolation Playoff Runner-Up Trophy.

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 5:19 pm |

    There’s already a de facto playoff system in college football.
    It lasts all season and works like this:
    Don’t lose. Ever.
    If you do, you’re out of it…other than for your fans to whine for some kind of “loser’s bracket” so you can get back into the hunt for the national title.

    Because probably someone out there HASN’T lost. And, by the first definition of such things (winning), they’re better than you are.

    Has no one noticed that?

    (I still favor a Final Four, though. That does makes some sense. Beyond that is nonsense.)

    —Ricko

  • Kerry P | January 6, 2010 at 5:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”370643″]Note to the Citrus Bowl: Players blow out their knees with or without mud. [B]Ditch the plans for field turf.[/B][/quote]
    I disagree. That field was disgraceful.

  • Geeman | January 6, 2010 at 5:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”370786″]There’s already a de facto playoff system in college football.
    It lasts all season and works like this:
    Don’t lose. Ever.
    If you do, you’re out of it…other than for your fans to whine for some kind of “loser’s bracket” so you can get back into the hunt for the national title.

    Because probably someone out there HASN’T lost. And, by the first definition of such things (winning), they’re better than you are.

    Has no one noticed that?

    (I still favor a Final Four, though. That does makes some sense. Beyond that is nonsense.)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Though LSU won the national title with 2 losses in 2007 (both in triple-OT, including the last regular season game).

    Ricko’s idea is also flawed because it doesn’t require all teams to wear alternate uniforms for each quarter of every game, perhaps in color on color.

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 5:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”370787″][quote comment=”370643″]Note to the Citrus Bowl: Players blow out their knees with or without mud. [B]Ditch the plans for field turf.[/B][/quote]
    I disagree. That field was disgraceful.[/quote]

    You saying they over-booked the field, or that the Colts-Bills game Sunday was turned into some kinds of travesty of football because of the snowstorm?

    —Ricko

  • Geeman | January 6, 2010 at 5:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”370787″][quote comment=”370643″]Note to the Citrus Bowl: Players blow out their knees with or without mud. [B]Ditch the plans for field turf.[/B][/quote]
    I disagree. That field was disgraceful.[/quote]

    Yes, it was bad. Which means: Take care of your field. Would you put in artificial turf in your front yard to keep from having to take care of it? (Some of you shouldn’t answer that!)

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 5:35 pm |

    Geeman said…

    “Though LSU won the national title with 2 losses in 2007 (both in triple-OT, including the last regular season game).”

    That’s why I said a Final Four makes sense. Because, who’s kidding who, most of us know the #1 team probably is in the Top Four somewhere. It ain’t down there lying in the weeds at #8. Or #12.

    —Ricko

  • Geeman | January 6, 2010 at 5:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”370791″]Geeman said…

    “Though LSU won the national title with 2 losses in 2007 (both in triple-OT, including the last regular season game).”

    That’s why I said a Final Four makes sense. Because, who’s kidding who, most of us know the #1 team probably is in the Top Four somewhere. It ain’t down there lying in the weeds at #8. Or #12.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    In most years you are right. It’d be hard to justify leaving No. 6 Boise State out of a final four this year, though. Maybe the way to do it is not rely on rankings or polls, but have a selection committee pick the teams like they do in basketball. I would hate to see the tradition of Jan. 1 bowls go away, but the schools are already doing that to themselves by stretching out the season to please TV programmers.

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 6:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”370786″]
    Don’t lose. Ever.
    [/quote]

    so…in 2008, when Boise State was 12-0 and Utah was 12-0…

    how come oklahoma (12-1) and florida (12-1) played for the national championship (and how come a whole shitload of other one-loss teams were denied the chance, like, say, the horns, who GAVE oklahoma their one loss??????)

    face it…”don’t lose ever” only works if you’re not a BCS conference

    /we need a playoff, because the current system is shit

    *(yes, this year it actually works, because we have two legit undefeated teams, but most years, there’s a team who hasn’t lost on the outside watching two teams with one loss playing for it all)

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 6:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”370792″][quote comment=”370791″]Geeman said…

    “Though LSU won the national title with 2 losses in 2007 (both in triple-OT, including the last regular season game).”

    That’s why I said a Final Four makes sense. Because, who’s kidding who, most of us know the #1 team probably is in the Top Four somewhere. It ain’t down there lying in the weeds at #8. Or #12.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    In most years you are right. It’d be hard to justify leaving No. 6 Boise State out of a final four this year, though. Maybe the way to do it is not rely on rankings or polls, but have a selection committee pick the teams like they do in basketball. I would hate to see the tradition of Jan. 1 bowls go away, but the schools are already doing that to themselves by stretching out the season to please TV programmers.[/quote]

    Number Six getting left out of a Final Four setup? Where’s their complaint; they WERE #6, lol. Although someone who gets left out always will complain…or sue (frankly, I think that’s one of the NCAA’s major concerns; they can fend off a lot of lawsuits by limitng it to #1 vs. #2).

    So the new goal would be…be good enough to be unquestionably ranked in that Final Four.

    And you’re right about the bowls as they are now.
    Like tonight’s Whatever-It-Is-Afterthought Bowl.

    Interesting and valid observation from a co-worker today: What did we learn from Boise State playing TCU? Nothing.
    Did we learn something from Cincinnati playing Flordia? You bet. Or from Hawaii and Colt Brennan playing a BCS game a few years back? Absolutely.

    Now, had Boise State played Iowa and TCU played Georgia Tech (or vice versa), both those games would have seriously been worth watching. We’d have leaarned something the relative abilities of BSU and TCU, that’s for sure.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 6:15 pm |

    Okay, let’s try Reality.

    Who’s ranked #16 right now?
    Or #8, for that matter?

    Anyone think they honestly have, or deserve, a shot at the national title?

    12 or 13 games still not unreasonable to expect consistent play. Any longer, though, and might as well go to 16 games and model everything after the NFL.

    Or, cut season back to 10 games. Maybe even fewer, and have LOTS of playoff games. But, as I alluded to in my TPIC post, then you’re playing a regular season that means less and less with each year. And teams will start “resting” players two games before the playoffs begin.

    Yeah, that’s a good thing.

    —Ricko

    —Ricko

  • matt in cleveland | January 6, 2010 at 6:36 pm |

    ended up watching a d league nba game caught the last 5 minutes today not bad game was in the 100’s. made me wonder what if the nfl had a d league(and dont say college fb is) 40 man roster thats only 2 buses for traveling, just a thought?

  • rpm | January 6, 2010 at 6:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”370781″]I think the Big Ten should have a six-team division and five-team division, shorten the season to five games, and everyone makes the playoffs, with the first-place team getting a bye in the first round.

    Except that’s not quite perfect because it wouldn’t render the regular season totally meaningless. It would still decide who got the bye.

    Damn, need that 12th team. You say neither a 10-team or 12-team format really works? Who cares, it’s a whole lotta playoff games.

    Cuz after all, only a playoff can determine who’s any good, right? Someone went undeated? So what.

    Oh, and Nike would supply all new unis for the playoffs, calling it “Honoring the Proud Traditions of Big Ten Football by Totally Revamping It”, and some would actually be in current school colors (except the teams with other contracts, of course; they’d just have to block out their logos). It would be like the Little League World Series that way. How cool.

    Of course, with Gophers, Wildcats, Badgers, Wolverines, Lions, Hawkeyes, Illini and Buckeyes in the mix those new textured unis might make the whole thing look like the stage production of “The Lion King”, but that would be kinda neato. Fur, stripes, feathers, claws, talons, leaves…golly, the possibilities are almost endless for the Beaverton Costume Department.

    And, when the team that finishes 8th wins it, we can bitch about how they just lucked out and didn’t really “deserve” it.

    Like the Cardinals in the Super Bowl last year.

    —Ricko
    (TFPIC, okay? But still making something of a point)[/quote]

    amen.

  • Hibbsy | January 6, 2010 at 7:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”370612″]The black Mets shirts in the wedding pic are great in all…yada yada…but how about that brides rack!? Nice uni on her![/quote]
    Tee hee hee.

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 7:12 pm |

    One of my problems with the current system is that bowl games take place anywhere from 4-6 weeks after teams have played their last games. IMO, this layoff makes a lot of teams stale and they perform much like the first week of the season (when many of them schedule cupcakes as if it were an exhibition game). I know money drives it all, but if the smaller college divisions can make a playoff system work, it seems D1 could too, somehow. I think it would give a more accurate representation of the relative talent of the schools. Maybe some of these games could be on network television as well, making them more accessible to a larger audience-too many of them are on ESPN now, which not every body can watch.

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 7:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”370800″]One of my problems with the current system is that bowl games take place anywhere from 4-6 weeks after teams have played their last games. IMO, this layoff makes a lot of teams stale and they perform much like the first week of the season (when many of them schedule cupcakes as if it were an exhibition game). I know money drives it all, but if the smaller college divisions can make a playoff system work, it seems D1 could too, somehow. I think it would give a more accurate representation of the relative talent of the schools. Maybe some of these games could be on network television as well, making them more accessible to a larger audience-too many of them are on ESPN now, which not every body can watch.[/quote]

    I honestly believe that if you polled the head coaches and AD’s of the Top 16 right now and asked if they’d like a system that meant 15 of them were guaranteed to lose their last game of the season on national TV…they’d think more than twice.

    A whole year of listening to alumni talk about that loss? Explaining it to recruits? Hmmm….

    …maybe better if eight of us are guaranteed a final game “W” on national TV.

    —Ricko

  • Thomas Clark | January 6, 2010 at 7:25 pm |

    First thing to fix the current system is to remove preseason rankings. Start ranking the teams after week 3 or 4.

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 7:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”370802″]First thing to fix the current system is to remove preseason rankings. Start ranking the teams after week 3 or 4.[/quote]

    Man, is that a valid observation! Knock out all those preconceived–and possibly invalid—conceptions of who’s any good and who’s not.

    Let ESPN and TSN do their “power rankings”, but nothing official.

    —Ricko

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 7:37 pm |

    “Explaining it to recruits? Hmmm….”
    Are today’s recruits more interested in winning or how their unis look and what type of shoes they get?

    “…maybe better if eight of us are guaranteed a final game “W” on national TV.”

    which eight would that be? as it is, don’t 30 some teams end their season with an “L”?

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 7:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”370801″]if you polled the head coaches and AD’s of the Top 16 right now and asked if they’d like a system that meant 15 of them were guaranteed to lose their last game of the season on national TV…they’d think more than twice.

    [/quote]

    and that would be different from every other college sport how?

    there’s a certain prestige (more than a certain) attached to schools reaching the “frozen four,” the “final four” and whateverthehell baseball plays…and yet, somehow, those schools attract recruits

    face it, rick…the current system SUCKS ASS, and maybe a tourney featuring 8 or 16 teams isn’t the way to solve things, but keeping the status quo is awful

    but you’re right about one thing…the state of inertia has existed in college football for so long that we’ll see a four team playoff before we ever see more than that…

    so maybe we wait till ESPN’s bowl contract runs out and then we finally expand it to four teams…and 20 years after that when we’re all dead, MAYBE THEN…they’ll have a real playoff system

    /not saying you’re wrong and i’m right…but what they have now is NOT right

  • rpm | January 6, 2010 at 7:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”370783″][quote comment=”370776″][quote comment=”370774″][quote comment=”370652″]hahahaha i was typing earlier and the page messed up on me. musta posted.

    Still have no idea why anyone would suggest splitting the pac10 into divisions[/quote]

    because splitting it into two divisions would allow for a conference championship game[/quote]

    They need to have 12 team before the NCAA will sanction the championship game.[/quote]

    right

    so ask notre dame again (for the big 10)

    10 years ago with that fat NBC contract they could politely tell the big 10 eleven to eff off

    now…not so much

    be awesome to see 6-5 ND defeat 10-1 tOSU in a playoff

    /tfpic[/quote]

    phil, you don’t have to root for Tosu against any team, the scUM, the ducks, anybody, but if you openly rooted for the domers over the bucks i might have to craw on my hands and knees to long island, and kick your butt six ways til sunday.

    the domers are still too cocky to join the big ten, but if for some reason pigs flew and they did, it would be set up so that Tosu/scUM/paternos/sparty/wisconsin/illinois were in one division, and the irish would be with traditional powers like northwestern/indiana/purdue/iowa/minnesota. i just know that is how it would shake out, east and west, close calls benefiting ND.

    if there was a playoff, conference winners only, no at large teams are in. who are the polls/writers/computers to decide who gets in. don’t like it? win your conference. but more importantly, screw the playoff, i hate it. do we really need to have anything definitive? does anybody who actually went to any of the major football powers really care that much if there school is #1 or #5? or is it the rest of the country who blathers endlessly about how we need to crown a champion? i personally only care if Tosu wins a conference title and the rose bowl. if the writers say we are tops great, if not i won’t lose 1 second of sleep. i would imagine most people who went to the big schools would likewise want to win the sec and go to the sugar, the southwest and go to the cotton, the acc and go to the orange, etc. we all get to brag on out conference strength at the end of the bowl season anyway when, for example, osu/psu/wisc/iowa/etc finally win in a year. like ricko said earlier, is there any guarantee that the best team will win? hell no, and who cares anyway, stick your nc2a playoff people, it simply is not needed.

  • Zach | January 6, 2010 at 7:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”370770″][quote comment=”370763″][quote comment=”370740″]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2730/4251082760_672668c173_o.png

    Iowa won that game 12-10. The Hawkeye helmet was decent looking. I liked the Iowa helmet with flying Hawkeye the most.[/quote]

    This is my fave Iowa helmet: http://www.helmethut...

    In general, I hate the fact that Iowa’s uniform is identical to the Steelers uni, or, vice versa. I mean, I like the uniform overall, however, it be nice to see Iowa get away from it a bit.[/quote]

    Have they worn that uni continuously since Hayde came in the late 1970s/early 1980s (throwbacks excepted)? It is a great uni. The helemt is different than the Steelers’, and if they went back to low-cut white collegiate socks that would be another distinguishing mark. I vaguely remember some great throwbacks back in 2002 or so.[/quote]

    As an Iowa alum, I don’t think any change is needed… The Hawks did have some great throwback uniforms in 2004 for the 75th anniversary of Kinnick Stadium…they looked like this http://www.hawkeyesp...

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 7:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”370770″][quote comment=”370763″][quote comment=”370740″]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2730/4251082760_672668c173_o.png

    Iowa won that game 12-10. The Hawkeye helmet was decent looking. I liked the Iowa helmet with flying Hawkeye the most.[/quote]

    This is my fave Iowa helmet: http://www.helmethut...

    In general, I hate the fact that Iowa’s uniform is identical to the Steelers uni, or, vice versa. I mean, I like the uniform overall, however, it be nice to see Iowa get away from it a bit.[/quote]

    Have they worn that uni continuously since Hayde came in the late 1970s/early 1980s (throwbacks excepted)? It is a great uni. The helemt is different than the Steelers’, and if they went back to low-cut white collegiate socks that would be another distinguishing mark. I vaguely remember some great throwbacks back in 2002 or so.[/quote]

    The script Iowa helmet does look good in a good quality color picture. I also think a break from the Steeler style uniforms would be a good idea. I do not see it happening soon though.

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 7:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”370808″]
    The script Iowa helmet does look good in a good quality color picture. I also think a break from the Steeler style uniforms would be a good idea. I do not see it happening soon though.[/quote]

    they could always go back to this

    and why is it tOSU’s two biggest fans (larry and roberto) don’t want a conference championship?

    seems everyone else is on board with that…is it that you just don’t want dome in the big 11?

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 7:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”370807″][quote comment=”370770″][quote comment=”370763″][quote comment=”370740″]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2730/4251082760_672668c173_o.png

    Iowa won that game 12-10. The Hawkeye helmet was decent looking. I liked the Iowa helmet with flying Hawkeye the most.[/quote]

    This is my fave Iowa helmet: http://www.helmethut...

    In general, I hate the fact that Iowa’s uniform is identical to the Steelers uni, or, vice versa. I mean, I like the uniform overall, however, it be nice to see Iowa get away from it a bit.[/quote]

    Have they worn that uni continuously since Hayde came in the late 1970s/early 1980s (throwbacks excepted)? It is a great uni. The helemt is different than the Steelers’, and if they went back to low-cut white collegiate socks that would be another distinguishing mark. I vaguely remember some great throwbacks back in 2002 or so.[/quote]

    As an Iowa alum, I don’t think any change is needed… The Hawks did have some great throwback uniforms in 2004 for the 75th anniversary of Kinnick Stadium…they looked like this http://www.hawkeyesp...

    And that is how to do an actual throwback

    http://farm4.static....

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 7:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”370809″][quote comment=”370808″]
    The script Iowa helmet does look good in a good quality color picture. I also think a break from the Steeler style uniforms would be a good idea. I do not see it happening soon though.[/quote]

    they could always go back to this

    and why is it tOSU’s two biggest fans (larry and roberto) don’t want a conference championship?

    seems everyone else is on board with that…is it that you just don’t want dome in the big 11?[/quote]

    Phil knows I want an on the field playoff just like every division in football has. I have always wanted a playoff. And that for me means a long time.

    I just do not think the conference championship games are for determining an actual conference champion. They are for one thing only and that is to make money for the conferences. As of now 5 conferences have one and 6 do not. Today I had been reading college message boards and there has been a few posts about Texas in the Big Ten. Just talk of course.

    When a 5-3 and 8-6 team like Buffalo gets the chance to upset an 8-0 and unbeaten Ball State in one game and claim it is the conference champion than something is very wring with that picture. Most years the Big 12 is so lopsided in one division and yet mediocre teams get the chance to play for conference championship while teams like Texas and Texas Tech last year can not.

    I do not like them because if another team is added to the Big Ten that means there will be another team or so that will be missing from regular season conference schedules.

    For example I love playing Penn State every single year. I do not want to add a team just to add a team and then miss out on playing PSU every year. As of now 2 teams rotate off the schedule every 2 years. Add another team and it will be worse.

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 7:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”370805″][quote comment=”370801″]if you polled the head coaches and AD’s of the Top 16 right now and asked if they’d like a system that meant 15 of them were guaranteed to lose their last game of the season on national TV…they’d think more than twice.

    [/quote]

    and that would be different from every other college sport how?

    there’s a certain prestige (more than a certain) attached to schools reaching the “frozen four,” the “final four” and whateverthehell baseball plays…and yet, somehow, those schools attract recruits

    face it, rick…the current system SUCKS ASS, and maybe a tourney featuring 8 or 16 teams isn’t the way to solve things, but keeping the status quo is awful

    but you’re right about one thing…the state of inertia has existed in college football for so long that we’ll see a four team playoff before we ever see more than that…

    so maybe we wait till ESPN’s bowl contract runs out and then we finally expand it to four teams…and 20 years after that when we’re all dead, MAYBE THEN…they’ll have a real playoff system

    /not saying you’re wrong and i’m right…but what they have now is NOT right[/quote]

    Because other than in a final, a loss in football lingers longer than a final loss in other sports….lesser number of games and all. Most teams in other sports (with far greater number of games) lose a few along the way. When was last unbeaten NCAA basketball team? Indiana, a generation and a half ago?

    I’m just saying there’s a helluva lot more to it that looking at the top 8 bowl games (for 16 teams) and a calendar and saying, “Hey, problem solved.” The NFL and NCAA football play the same sport, but they’re very different ball games.

    For one thing, NFL teams don’t have to compete in selling themselves to 17- and 18-year-old kids and their families. And if we don’t think that’s a HUGE part of it, we just aren’t paying attention. Or accepting reality.

    Their rosters aren’t limited to keeping a player for five years (even though it seems like it sometimes).

    And NFL teams don’t hunger for a shot at being on national TV, or being talked about on ESPN. Few NFL teams ever hear anything like, “Who the hell is ‘Troy’?” said about them.

    And they sure don’t rely on contributions from fans who voluntarilly just whip out their checkbooks to “help out” those struggling St. Louis Rams. And few former players come along and contribute to a training facility.

    Comparatively speaking, the NFL is relatively shallow, but the spread of college football’s anchoring root system, financial and otherwise, is tangled and deep.

    Just not realistic to think, “Screw that, just treat it like pro football.”

    Again, I think a Final Four is extraordinarily valid. It seems a reasonable to way to get some determination beyond #1 and #2…and causes the minimum damage to a system that, whether we like it or not, has a half century or so of working pretty well for the greatest number of programs.

    And I’ll say one more time. Who really thinks #16 has, or deserves, a shot at the title? C’mon, let’s be real here.

    —Ricko

  • Thomas Clark | January 6, 2010 at 7:59 pm |

    Notre Dame no longer makes sense for the Big Ten. They are struggling to recruit and compete just like the majority of the Upper Midwest/Great Lakes region. While Notre Dame brings a solid fan and alumni base, they also bring a hatred base that would seep into the Big Ten because the Big Ten has had the sense of entitlement and ND would inflate that. It doesn’t necessarily make sense from a marketing perspective either as ND doesn’t bring a true DMA into the picture. Their fans are spread too far out to really help the Big Ten. IF the Big Ten expands it will be to expand their regional influence. It will be a team outside the current borders that brings with it a large DMA in the vicinity (think Rutgers, Pitt, BC, UConn or to a lesser extent Syracuse or Missouri). This will help the Big Ten focus their expansion from a marketing standpoint, improve recruiting in a non-traditional area, and help distance themselves from the stigma of the sense of entitlement from having storied programs.

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 8:00 pm |

    http://cdn.bleacherr...

    I would take that so called banana peel uniform over current ones. Now I am not saying the current uniforms look bad. The Steelers home uniform is a nice looking uni. I just think it would be good if Iowa had their own identity and not imitate the Steeler’s uniform

  • Mike Engle | January 6, 2010 at 8:03 pm |

    Philly Flyers wearing the white WC throwbacks tonight in Toronto. They haven’t even bothered to remove the WC patches!

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 8:05 pm |

    If Troy and Central Michigan not your thing, and considering pitchers and catcher report in another few weeks, I should point out that BULL DURHAM is just beginning on WGN.

    (opening credits finishing as I type)

    —Ricko

  • Thomas Clark | January 6, 2010 at 8:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”370816″]If Troy and Central Michigan not your thing, and considering pitchers and catcher report in another few weeks, I should point out that BULL DURHAM is just beginning on WGN.

    (opening credits finishing as I type)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    “Fire up Chips!” (I work in Mount Pleasant 2-3 days a week…even count CMU’s catering service as one of my clients.)

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 8:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”370816″]If Troy and Central Michigan not your thing, and considering pitchers and catcher report in another few weeks, I should point out that BULL DURHAM is just beginning on WGN.

    (opening credits finishing as I type)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    This would be an example of pretty good “counter-programming”, btw.

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 8:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”370817″][quote comment=”370816″]If Troy and Central Michigan not your thing, and considering pitchers and catcher report in another few weeks, I should point out that BULL DURHAM is just beginning on WGN.

    (opening credits finishing as I type)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    “Fire up Chips!” (I work in Mount Pleasant 2-3 days a week…even count CMU’s catering service as one of my clients.)[/quote]

    And used to do the advertising for Soaring Eagle. Spent lots of time there. But, still the Chips and Troy may not be TV’s biggest draw tonight.

  • rpm | January 6, 2010 at 8:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”370809″][quote comment=”370808″]
    The script Iowa helmet does look good in a good quality color picture. I also think a break from the Steeler style uniforms would be a good idea. I do not see it happening soon though.[/quote]

    they could always go back to this

    and why is it tOSU’s two biggest fans (larry and roberto) don’t want a conference championship?

    seems everyone else is on board with that…is it that you just don’t want dome in the big 11?[/quote]

    iowa keeps the current pants and helmet, and goes to this jersey.

    you make enough overtures to a lady(ND) and are rebuffed, eventually you move on and are happy without them. screw ND, and if i needed more help hating them, three words, south side & chicago.

    you want to know why i could care less phil, because it isn’t important. the only people who care that much about the playoffs(national title) are the people unaffiliated and that fact drives me buzzirk, we simply do not need to crown a champion that everyone is happy with. if Tosu beats scum great, wins conference, even better, wins the rose bowl, i have am thrilled, why do i care about a national title, it means nothing with or without playoff.it just doesn’t matter

  • Kyle@IU | January 6, 2010 at 8:19 pm |

    [quote comment=\”370815\”]Philly Flyers wearing the white WC throwbacks tonight in Toronto. They haven\’t even bothered to remove the WC patches![/quote]

    Thought on the WC: why, instead of having it in a baseball stadium where the sightlines seem to be pretty awful, can they not have it in a college stadium (where available)? Regular season college ball ends four weeks before the new year, so they could build the big fancy rink that doesn\’t melt. For instance, if the Flyers were to host, they could use Franklin Field; the Wild could host at TCF Bank Stadium; the Wings could even go over to Ann Arbor and play in the Big House (110,000 for a hockey game…shudder). Sure, this wouldnt work in some places, but I think it\’s a better idea than using baseball parks.

  • AMDG | January 6, 2010 at 8:21 pm |

    Boston College will be wearing commemorative gold sweaters against BU Friday night at Fenway:

    http://bceagles.cstv...

    The green stripe is a nice touch.

    I don’t know if they will be wearing gold socks.

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 8:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”370809″][quote comment=”370808″]
    The script Iowa helmet does look good in a good quality color picture. I also think a break from the Steeler style uniforms would be a good idea. I do not see it happening soon though.[/quote]

    they could always go back to this

    and why is it tOSU’s two biggest fans (larry and roberto) don’t want a conference championship?

    seems everyone else is on board with that…is it that you just don’t want dome in the big 11?[/quote]

    Always been for on the field playoff just like every other division of football has.

    I do not like the so called conference championship games because they are only there to make money for the conferences. Not to determine a conference champion.

    When 5-3 teams have the chance to upset 8-0 teams in one game then something is wrong with that picture.

  • Oakville Endive | January 6, 2010 at 8:23 pm |

    So if we went with say an 8 team tournament for the national championship (as opposed to the current 2), there would be 7 games spread out over three weekends/holidays. My guess is round 1 would average a 10,0 rating – round 2 – 16.0 and the championship would draw in the 20.0’s – now compare that to the top seven bowl ratings.

    Not sure anyone mentioed this – but that great cultural divide was in evidence last night – the World Junior Hockey Championship drew an average of 5.3 millions viewers last night in Canada – that’s the equivalent of approx 53 million US viewers – and in the US – well there were probably 10,000 people watching – utter shame – its great hockey.

  • rpm | January 6, 2010 at 8:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”370812″][quote comment=”370805″][quote comment=”370801″]

    And I’ll say one more time. Who really thinks #16 has, or deserves, a shot at the title? C’mon, let’s be real here.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    amen.

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 8:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”370816″]If Troy and Central Michigan not your thing, and considering pitchers and catcher report in another few weeks, I should point out that BULL DURHAM is just beginning on WGN.

    (opening credits finishing as I type)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’m watching it, but this would be more appropriate as an early round “playoff” game than the 2nd to last bowl game of the year. I’m not saying it couldn’t turn out to be a great game, but i think it would draw a larger audience the week after thanksgiving(possibly on a traditional network) than it will on Jan. 6. Perhaps that doesn’t matter.

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 8:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”370603″]Those “Beat Iowa” jerseys used by Iowa State back in 1977 got recycled later in the season. They played North Carolina State in the Peach Bowl and used the same jerseys. They changed the word “Beat” to read “Peach” and the word “Iowa” to read “Bowl.” They lost both games.[/quote]

    Missed that post before. Now that is interesting tidbit.

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 8:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”370826″][quote comment=”370816″]If Troy and Central Michigan not your thing, and considering pitchers and catcher report in another few weeks, I should point out that BULL DURHAM is just beginning on WGN.

    (opening credits finishing as I type)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’m watching it, but this would be more appropriate as an early round “playoff” game than the 2nd to last bowl game of the year. I’m not saying it couldn’t turn out to be a great game, but i think it would draw a larger audience the week after thanksgiving(possibly on a traditional network) than it will on Jan. 6. Perhaps that doesn’t matter.[/quote]

    Yeah. Was thinking this should have been played December 20th or something.

  • Nick | January 6, 2010 at 8:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”370822″]Boston College will be wearing commemorative gold sweaters against BU Friday night at Fenway:

    http://bceagles.cstv...

    The green stripe is a nice touch.

    I don’t know if they will be wearing gold socks.[/quote]

    Meh. These “gold” unis don’t do much for me. The color is too weak and yukky.

    How much better the BC Eagles would look if they were to wear true Old Gold, and not tht worthless and weak watered down cat p#ss color of “Vegas Gold”.

  • aflfan | January 6, 2010 at 8:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”370809″][quote comment=”370808″]
    The script Iowa helmet does look good in a good quality color picture. I also think a break from the Steeler style uniforms would be a good idea. I do not see it happening soon though.[/quote]

    they could always go back to this

    and why is it tOSU’s two biggest fans (larry and roberto) don’t want a conference championship?

    seems everyone else is on board with that…is it that you just don’t want dome in the big 11?[/quote]

    Maybe it is before this year, they always choked in the big game?

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 8:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”370685″]I’m fairly certain that Iowa and Georgia Tech set a record last night for biggest disparity in back-of-helmet-jersey-number size. Iowa’s hideously oversized numbers are about 4″ x 5″ each and Tech’s looked to be a mere 0.5″ x 1″.[/quote]

    HAHA my brother pointed that out to me. Heck I was not even aware Ga Tech had helmet numbers they were so small

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 8:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”370806″]if you openly rooted for the domers over the bucks i might have to craw on my hands and knees to long island, and kick your butt six ways til sunday.

    [/quote]

    tackle football is SO on marshall

  • matt in cleveland | January 6, 2010 at 8:35 pm |

    cavs in new alts whine and gold with 1980 early 90’s with CAVS on the chest and 80’s 90’s numbers

  • rpm | January 6, 2010 at 8:36 pm |
  • aflfan | January 6, 2010 at 8:37 pm |

    Personally, I believe Iowa State would be great for the Big 10 if they could pull it off and it would set up a great final weekend with the natural rivals already playing and set up a few others. Think of this

    Ohio State vs. Michigan
    Michigan State vs. Penn State (Land Grant Trophy)
    Indiana vs Pudue
    Northwestern vs. Illinois
    Minnesota vs. Wisconsin
    Iowa vs. Iowa State

  • aflfan | January 6, 2010 at 8:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”370825″][quote comment=”370812″][quote comment=”370805″][quote comment=”370801″]

    And I’ll say one more time. Who really thinks #16 has, or deserves, a shot at the title? C’mon, let’s be real here.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    amen.[/quote]

    I am sorry but the 16th ranked team is more deserving that the 65th seeded basketball team.

    Personally I would be fine with an sixteen team playoff with

    1. Big Ten Champions
    2. ACC Champions
    3. SEC Champions
    4. Big 12 Champions
    5. Conference USA Champion
    6. PAC 10 Champions
    7. Mountain West Champions
    8. Sun Belt Champions
    9. Mountain West Champions
    10. Mid-American Conference Champions
    11. Best Independent with if they have over 9 wins
    12-16. Top five ranked teams not in the playoff by conference championship.

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 8:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”370835″]Personally, I believe Iowa State would be great for the Big 10 if they could pull it off and it would set up a great final weekend with the natural rivals already playing and set up a few others. Think of this

    Ohio State vs. Michigan
    Michigan State vs. Penn State (Land Grant Trophy)
    Indiana vs Pudue
    Northwestern vs. Illinois
    Minnesota vs. Wisconsin
    Iowa vs. Iowa State[/quote]

    I have seen this proposed before with the dominoes falling like this: Arkansas grabbed by the Big 12 to replace iowa st and then perhaps louisville grabbed by the sec, etc. etc.

    Resulting new name for the big 10: Magnificent 12.

    :)

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 8:55 pm |

    Cavs do look good in those unis

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 8:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”370837″]Magnificent 12.

    :)[/quote]

    bankers dozen

  • aflfan | January 6, 2010 at 9:04 pm |

    So this year the sixteen would be in no real order

    1. Ohio State (Big 10 Champs)
    2. Georgia Tech (ACC Champs)
    3. Texas (Big 12 Champs
    4. Alabama (SEC Champs)
    5. Central Michigan (MAC Champs)
    6. Boise State (WAC Champs)
    7. Texas Christian (MWC Champs)
    8. East Carolina (Conference USA Champs)
    9. Troy (Sun Belt Champs)
    10. Navy (Top Independent)
    11. Cincinnati (Big East Champ) (Forgot them on the list)
    12. Oregon (Pac10 Champs)
    13. Iowa (10th in BCS Rankings)
    14. Virginia Tech (11th in BCS Rankings)
    15. LSU (12th in BCS rankings)
    16. Penn State (13th in BCS rankings)

    Note: If you wanted to limited it to two team per conference BYU was 14th in the BCS Rankings.

    13.

  • Stoops | January 6, 2010 at 9:09 pm |

    ….as far as the Iowa uniforms being consistant during Coach Fry’s tenure.
    As I stated above there were 2 other uniforms worn
    one had tiger hawks on the chest and the word Hawkeyes and another set that has Iowa on the chest and tiger hawk on the sleeves with a different strip pattern. I think like mid 90s???Helmet was the same. They were then of course returned to their glorious “Steeler” look. 3 of my cousins played there so I used to follow the Hawks very closely-luckily they did not play during those hideous eras. When my cousin Bobby was recruited there they had the gold head gear with the script Iowa-Coach Fry was hired the next year.

  • Larry's brother | January 6, 2010 at 9:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”370831″][quote comment=”370685″]I’m fairly certain that Iowa and Georgia Tech set a record last night for biggest disparity in back-of-helmet-jersey-number size. Iowa’s hideously oversized numbers are about 4″ x 5″ each and Tech’s looked to be a mere 0.5″ x 1″.[/quote]

    HAHA my brother pointed that out to me. Heck I was not even aware Ga Tech had helmet numbers they were so small[/quote]

    Not only did I point it out, this is EXACTLY(greatest disparity ever) the same thing I said. He thought maybe I made the post, and I said, why would I post as Steve Naismath?

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 9:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”370840″]So this year the sixteen would be in no real order

    1. Ohio State (Big 10 Champs)
    2. Georgia Tech (ACC Champs)
    3. Texas (Big 12 Champs
    4. Alabama (SEC Champs)
    5. Central Michigan (MAC Champs)
    6. Boise State (WAC Champs)
    7. Texas Christian (MWC Champs)
    8. East Carolina (Conference USA Champs)
    9. Troy (Sun Belt Champs)
    10. Navy (Top Independent)
    11. Cincinnati (Big East Champ) (Forgot them on the list)
    12. Oregon (Pac10 Champs)
    13. Iowa (10th in BCS Rankings)
    14. Virginia Tech (11th in BCS Rankings)
    15. LSU (12th in BCS rankings)
    16. Penn State (13th in BCS rankings)

    Note: If you wanted to limited it to two team per conference BYU was 14th in the BCS Rankings.

    13.[/quote]

    Seriously, this year we should consider Navy and Troy as having teams that belong in a national tournament?

    What’s better for a coach? Telling recruits and alumni he was one-and-done again last year (despite, say, losing only two games a year before the playoffs?) or that he taken you to bowl games every year?

    “Coach, you keep losin’ that first one, an’ it’s gonna be tough for us to keep you around.”

    “We’re only lost two games a year during the season for the last three years.”

    “I know, Coach, but the PLAYOFFS are what matter, and we’re losin’ top recruits to teams that at LEAST get to the second weekend.”

    So the top eight just keep getting stronger.

    Ouch.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 9:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”370820″]you want to know why i could care less phil, because it isn’t important. [/quote]

    i disagree

    it’s on

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 9:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”370840″]So this year the sixteen would be in no real order

    1. Ohio State (Big 10 Champs)
    2. Georgia Tech (ACC Champs)
    3. Texas (Big 12 Champs
    4. Alabama (SEC Champs)
    5. Central Michigan (MAC Champs)
    6. Boise State (WAC Champs)
    7. Texas Christian (MWC Champs)
    8. East Carolina (Conference USA Champs)
    9. Troy (Sun Belt Champs)
    10. Navy (Top Independent)
    11. Cincinnati (Big East Champ) (Forgot them on the list)
    12. Oregon (Pac10 Champs)
    13. Iowa (10th in BCS Rankings)
    14. Virginia Tech (11th in BCS Rankings)
    15. LSU (12th in BCS rankings)
    16. Penn State (13th in BCS rankings)

    Note: If you wanted to limited it to two team per conference BYU was 14th in the BCS Rankings.

    13.[/quote]

    i disagree with your top 16 (for example, where the hell is florida???)…but i like the concept

    i think you need to include any team in the top 8, regardless of their conference standing

    the other 8 could be decided by an invitation determined by a the AP poll (or all polls), computers and coaches

  • JTH | January 6, 2010 at 9:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”370830″][quote comment=”370809″][quote comment=”370808″]
    The script Iowa helmet does look good in a good quality color picture. I also think a break from the Steeler style uniforms would be a good idea. I do not see it happening soon though.[/quote]

    they could always go back to this

    and why is it tOSU’s two biggest fans (larry and roberto) don’t want a conference championship?

    seems everyone else is on board with that…is it that you just don’t want dome in the big 11?[/quote]

    Maybe it is before this year, they always choked in the big game?[/quote]
    Nah, it’s just because they know that if ND were to join, it would make tOSU the 12th best school in the conference (academically speaking). It’s far better to be ranked #11 than #12.

  • Pete Puma | January 6, 2010 at 9:48 pm |

    Not sure if anyone saw this, but Spanish soccer club Valencia CF has special Cup shirts emphasizing the bat in their shield. Interesting.

    http://www.daylife.c...

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 9:49 pm |

    “Coach, you keep losin’ that first one, an’ it’s gonna be tough for us to keep you around.”

    Presumably if your program keeps losin the first one, chances are it’s going to lose it’s bowl game, as well. Right now, the consistently mediocre teams go to mediocre bowls and those games could continue to be played, outside the tournament games. I think a recruit would be more impressed with the opportunity to play in 3 or 4 more games over the assurance of only one after the regular season schedule ends.

  • RedWing in Colorado | January 6, 2010 at 9:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”370820″]
    you make enough overtures to a lady(ND) and are rebuffed, eventually you move on and are happy without them. screw ND, and if i needed more help hating them, three words, south side & chicago.

    you want to know why i could care less phil, because it isn’t important. the only people who care that much about the playoffs(national title) are the people unaffiliated and that fact drives me buzzirk, we simply do not need to crown a champion that everyone is happy with. if Tosu beats scum great, wins conference, even better, wins the rose bowl, i have am thrilled, why do i care about a national title, it means nothing with or without playoff.it just doesn’t matter[/quote]

    From a Purdue guy, I second everything the esteemed Comrade Marshall says. I want Purdue to whip IU, and go to the Rose Bowl. I don’t care about the national championship, because in football, it’s always been subjective and relatively meaningless.

    Oh, and ND can screw themselves. They’d be a middle-of-the-pack BigTen team, at best.

  • aflfan | January 6, 2010 at 9:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”370845″][quote comment=”370840″]So this year the sixteen would be in no real order

    1. Ohio State (Big 10 Champs)
    2. Georgia Tech (ACC Champs)
    3. Texas (Big 12 Champs
    4. Alabama (SEC Champs)
    5. Central Michigan (MAC Champs)
    6. Boise State (WAC Champs)
    7. Texas Christian (MWC Champs)
    8. East Carolina (Conference USA Champs)
    9. Troy (Sun Belt Champs)
    10. Navy (Top Independent)
    11. Cincinnati (Big East Champ) (Forgot them on the list)
    12. Oregon (Pac10 Champs)
    13. Iowa (10th in BCS Rankings)
    14. Virginia Tech (11th in BCS Rankings)
    15. LSU (12th in BCS rankings)
    16. Penn State (13th in BCS rankings)

    Note: If you wanted to limited it to two team per conference BYU was 14th in the BCS Rankings.

    13.[/quote]

    i disagree with your top 16 (for example, where the hell is florida???)…but i like the concept

    i think you need to include any team in the top 8, regardless of their conference standing

    the other 8 could be decided by an invitation determined by a the AP poll (or all polls), computers and coaches[/quote]

    I missed Flordia so the would be in and Penn State would be out.

  • Ricko | January 6, 2010 at 10:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”370848″]“Coach, you keep losin’ that first one, an’ it’s gonna be tough for us to keep you around.”

    Presumably if your program keeps losin the first one, chances are it’s going to lose it’s bowl game, as well. Right now, the consistently mediocre teams go to mediocre bowls and those games could continue to be played, outside the tournament games. I think a recruit would be more impressed with the opportunity to play in 3 or 4 more games over the assurance of only one after the regular season schedule ends.[/quote]

    So that recruit would have to be, probably, a Top Ten caliber player, anyway. Not as likely to go to a team that slips into Top 16 on a somewhwhat regular basis.

    Lose every bowl game? Probably in that format. Being ranked low in the Top 16 means you’d play someone ranked pretty high in first round.

    As it is now, #16 likely plays someone at a comparable level in a bowl game.

    So, Coach, wanna finish #14, 15 or 16 and play 3, 2 or 1 in first round every year (feel like a “fodder” team)…or you wanna play against someone ranked, say, #10, tops, in a bowl game?

    Just sayin’—as I keep sayin’—it isn’t as uncomplicated as simply saying “Let’s do it.”

    —Ricko

  • aflfan | January 6, 2010 at 10:01 pm |

    I personnally like the win your conference and you are in the playoffs. It puts emphisis on the conference championship. Let’s face it Troy would be a 16 seed but Alabama at 1. I would go even further that the top eight seeds get a first round home game. The rest would be neutral.

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 10:02 pm |

    “I missed Flordia so the would be in and Penn State would be out.”

    This would make the Big Ten posters who want no part of any Nat championship discussion and only wish to win the rose bowl happy, as well.

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 10:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”370853″]”I missed Flordia so the would be in and Penn State would be out.”

    This would make the Big Ten posters who want no part of any Nat championship discussion and only wish to win the rose bowl happy, as well.[/quote]

    exactly…that’s why they don’t want a playoff

  • JimV19 | January 6, 2010 at 10:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”370802″]First thing to fix the current system is to remove preseason rankings. Start ranking the teams after week 3 or 4.[/quote]

    YES! And that includes college basketball, too. Tired of seeing Duke at #1 all the time just because Dickie V likes them.

    This idea, and the one to have The Red Wings play hockey at the Big House, are two of the best ideas I’ve heard in quite some time.

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 10:06 pm |

    “So, Coach, wanna finish #14, 15 or 16 and play 3, 2 or 1 in first round every year (feel like a “fodder” team)…or you wanna play against someone ranked, say, #10, tops, in a bowl game?”

    Or wanna go 6-6 every year and play another 6-6 team in a “bowl” game every year, which likely as not the university ends up susbsidizing because they can’t sell out their allotment of tickets.

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 10:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”370830″][quote comment=”370809″][quote comment=”370808″]
    The script Iowa helmet does look good in a good quality color picture. I also think a break from the Steeler style uniforms would be a good idea. I do not see it happening soon though.[/quote]

    they could always go back to this

    and why is it tOSU’s two biggest fans (larry and roberto) don’t want a conference championship?

    seems everyone else is on board with that…is it that you just don’t want dome in the big 11?[/quote]

    Maybe it is before this year, they always choked in the big game?[/quote]

    Ohio State 2002 National Champions. What the heck are you talking about Ohio State had won the 4 previous bowl games before losing 3.

    How about Oklahoma? And I said I am against the stupid conference championship games. A National Championship game I have been for ever since the 1970’s.

    That was lame man

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 10:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”370851″]
    So, Coach, wanna finish #14, 15 or 16 and play 3, 2 or 1 in first round every year (feel like a “fodder” team)…or you wanna play against someone ranked, say, #10, tops, in a bowl game?[/quote]

    you are, of course, assuming that no 14 15 or 16 could EVER beat a 3, 2 or 1

    i don’t think you can, or should, ever make that assumption

    how many of us thought boise state would beat oklahoma a few years back? maybe the disparity wasn’t as great as 3 vs 14…but still, this is why we play the games

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 10:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”370854″][quote comment=”370853″]”I missed Flordia so the would be in and Penn State would be out.”

    This would make the Big Ten posters who want no part of any Nat championship discussion and only wish to win the rose bowl happy, as well.[/quote]

    exactly…that’s why they don’t want a playoff[/quote]

    Can anybody here read? I have been for a National Championship playoff since the 1970’s. It is these so called conference championship games I do not like.

    sheesh

  • LI Phil | January 6, 2010 at 10:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”370859″]
    Can anybody here read? I have been for a National Championship playoff since the 1970’s. It is these so called conference championship games I do not like.

    sheesh[/quote]

    sorry, larry

    didn’t mean to group you in with rpm and ricko

    /my bad

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 10:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”370860″][quote comment=”370859″]
    Can anybody here read? I have been for a National Championship playoff since the 1970’s. It is these so called conference championship games I do not like.

    sheesh[/quote]

    sorry, larry

    didn’t mean to group you in with rpm and ricko

    /my bad[/quote]
    me, either (and yes, i can read)

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 10:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”370849″][quote comment=”370820″]
    you make enough overtures to a lady(ND) and are rebuffed, eventually you move on and are happy without them. screw ND, and if i needed more help hating them, three words, south side & chicago.

    you want to know why i could care less phil, because it isn’t important. the only people who care that much about the playoffs(national title) are the people unaffiliated and that fact drives me buzzirk, we simply do not need to crown a champion that everyone is happy with. if Tosu beats scum great, wins conference, even better, wins the rose bowl, i have am thrilled, why do i care about a national title, it means nothing with or without playoff.it just doesn’t matter[/quote]

    From a Purdue guy, I second everything the esteemed Comrade Marshall says. I want Purdue to whip IU, and go to the Rose Bowl. I don’t care about the national championship, because in football, it’s always been subjective and relatively meaningless.

    Oh, and ND can screw themselves. They’d be a middle-of-the-pack BigTen team, at best.[/quote]

    Ok maybe this post was referred to partly.

    The way division 1 always has been means the national championship has been subjective. That is why they should have a playoff just like every other single level of football from NAIA to division 1AA division 2 and division 3 has.

    There is no good reason not to have a playoff.

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 10:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”370858″][quote comment=”370851″]
    So, Coach, wanna finish #14, 15 or 16 and play 3, 2 or 1 in first round every year (feel like a “fodder” team)…or you wanna play against someone ranked, say, #10, tops, in a bowl game?[/quote]

    you are, of course, assuming that no 14 15 or 16 could EVER beat a 3, 2 or 1

    i don’t think you can, or should, ever make that assumption

    how many of us thought boise state would beat oklahoma a few years back? maybe the disparity wasn’t as great as 3 vs 14…but still, this is why we play the games[/quote]
    Further, under some seeding systems, the 13-16 teams could actually be strong team with one loss, say Fla this year.

  • JTH | January 6, 2010 at 10:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”370859″]
    Can anybody here read?[/quote]
    Yes. They just choose not to.

    Right, Phil?

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 10:27 pm |

    ya do not lump me in with any anti playoff people.

    Actually I wanted playoff since late 1960’s. In 1969 Ohio State had a team that the press said the only team that could beat Ohio State was Minnesota. Not the Gophers but the Vikings. Ohio State was unbeaten and defending National Champions from 1968. Yet Bo Schembechlers Michigan team upset them and they had to sit at home. That team had the talent to win a playoff.

    And Jim Tressel coached the Youngstown State Penguins to 4 National Championships won on the field in a playoff.

    And I hate the lame excuses given by college presidents for looking out for the good of the student athletes. Utter bullcrap.

  • JimV19 | January 6, 2010 at 10:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”370835″]Personally, I believe Iowa State would be great for the Big 10 if they could pull it off and it would set up a great final weekend with the natural rivals already playing and set up a few others. Think of this

    Ohio State vs. Michigan
    Michigan State vs. Penn State (Land Grant Trophy)
    Indiana vs Pudue
    Northwestern vs. Illinois
    Minnesota vs. Wisconsin
    Iowa vs. Iowa State[/quote]

    Everything looks good, with one exception. MSU/PSU is not a rivalry. I don’t think anyone will ever convince me otherwise.

    I love JoePa, but I don’t agree with him that they made the right move going to the Big 11. If they would have waited a few years, they would have been in the Big East with Pitt, Syracuse, WVU, Miami, BC, etc.

    I do like the yearly games with OSU, but it’s small consolation. Even smaller is the Land Grant Trophy Game. I’m Calling It The Odd Men Out Bowl. Ideally, MSU/UM and PSU/OSU are better matchups, but you’re not breaking up UM/OSU (nor would I suggest that).

    Add Iowa State and Cincy to the Big Ten. Colorado State would fill ISU’s Big 12 absence, while Penn State would return to its rightful home.

  • Patrick in MI | January 6, 2010 at 10:30 pm |

    Shouldn’t this be the “Ally Bank Bowl”? Troy’s unis look pretty nice except for the redundant wordmark on the shoulder. Also, their helmet striping looks to be asymmetrical. Anyone get a close-up of that?

  • aflfan | January 6, 2010 at 10:30 pm |

    While, I am waiting for more basketball scores to be reported. I have done a little more work. First round using BCS rankings and conference champions and the AP Poll for any conference champions not ranked in the BCS poll

    #16 – Navy vs. #1 – Alamaba
    #15 – East Carolina vs. #2 Texas
    #14 – Troy vs. #3 – Cincinnati
    #13 – Central Michigan vs. #4 – Texas Christian
    #12 – Brigham Young vs. #5 – Florida
    #11 – Virginia Tech vs. #6 – Boise State
    #10 – Iowa vs. #7 – Oregon
    #9 – Georgia Tech vs. #8 – Ohio State

    LSU and Penn State are out because the SEC and Big Ten already have two teams.

  • aflfan | January 6, 2010 at 10:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”370867″]Shouldn’t this be the “Ally Bank Bowl”? Troy’s unis look pretty nice except for the redundant wordmark on the shoulder. Also, their helmet striping looks to be asymmetrical. Anyone get a close-up of that?[/quote]

    Please don’t get me started on how a company we have given a shitload of money too and are about to give another shitload of money too is sponsoring a bowl.

  • JTH | January 6, 2010 at 10:33 pm |

    RE: Notre Dame to the Big Ten

    I’m convinced it’ll never happen. There are many reasons, not the least of which is that the conference wants to expand its media presence into a new market.

    But also, one thing the Big Ten likes to tout is that it’s the only conference in which every member institution also belongs to the AAU. Notre Dame does not.

    Most of the chatter about potential invitees I’ve heard is focused on Rutgers, Syracuse, Missouri, Iowa State, Nebraska, Kansas and Pitt. I’ve also heard a bit about Virginia, Maryland and even (as Larry mentioned earlier) Texas. I think I recall hearing something about Vanderbilt as well. All of those schools also belong to the AAU.

    If they truly want to keep it the only all-AAU conference, there aren’t a whole lot of other choices that make sense.

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 10:33 pm |

    Plus I have never liked how it is all up to voters or coaches who do not even see many teams play to vote on the rankings and decide who the best team is.

    The subjectivity of it is just like synchronized swimming meets or a gymnastic meet.

  • aflfan | January 6, 2010 at 10:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”370866″][quote comment=”370835″]Personally, I believe Iowa State would be great for the Big 10 if they could pull it off and it would set up a great final weekend with the natural rivals already playing and set up a few others. Think of this

    Ohio State vs. Michigan
    Michigan State vs. Penn State (Land Grant Trophy)
    Indiana vs Pudue
    Northwestern vs. Illinois
    Minnesota vs. Wisconsin
    Iowa vs. Iowa State[/quote]

    Everything looks good, with one exception. MSU/PSU is not a rivalry. I don’t think anyone will ever convince me otherwise.

    I love JoePa, but I don’t agree with him that they made the right move going to the Big 11. If they would have waited a few years, they would have been in the Big East with Pitt, Syracuse, WVU, Miami, BC, etc.

    I do like the yearly games with OSU, but it’s small consolation. Even smaller is the Land Grant Trophy Game. I’m Calling It The Odd Men Out Bowl. Ideally, MSU/UM and PSU/OSU are better matchups, but you’re not breaking up UM/OSU (nor would I suggest that).

    Add Iowa State and Cincy to the Big Ten. Colorado State would fill ISU’s Big 12 absence, while Penn State would return to its rightful home.[/quote]

    I agree that Penn State/Michigan State is kind of a stretch but they already play the last weekend of conference play already so it isn’t that much of a stretch.

  • Bob Loblaw | January 6, 2010 at 10:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”370814″]http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slides/photos/000/118/489/72483480.jpg.13538.0_display_image.jpg

    I would take that so called banana peel uniform over current ones. Now I am not saying the current uniforms look bad. The Steelers home uniform is a nice looking uni. I just think it would be good if Iowa had their own identity and not imitate the Steeler’s uniform[/quote]

    But that’s just it, Larry. Iowa’s been in those Steeler ‘knockoffs’ for nearly 30+ years. While that’s not close to the century mark, it certainly enough time to ‘create it’s own identity’ as you put it.

    Heck, if you go back 30+ years decent programs like UBUffalo or Connecticut didn’t even exist.
    (to give you a bit of prospective).

    There’s nothing wrong w/ that look. It’s one of the sharpest in the NFL and isn’t that what you’re selling those 18 year olds? innit?

  • rpm | January 6, 2010 at 10:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”370832″][quote comment=”370806″]if you openly rooted for the domers over the bucks i might have to craw on my hands and knees to long island, and kick your butt six ways til sunday.

    [/quote]

    tackle football is SO on marshall[/quote]

    bring it tennis boy.

  • Thomas Clark | January 6, 2010 at 10:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”370870″]RE: Notre Dame to the Big Ten

    I’m convinced it’ll never happen. There are many reasons, not the least of which is that the conference wants to expand its media presence into a new market.

    But also, one thing the Big Ten likes to tout is that it’s the only conference in which every member institution also belongs to the AAU. Notre Dame does not.

    Most of the chatter about potential invitees I’ve heard is focused on Rutgers, Syracuse, Missouri, Iowa State, Nebraska, Kansas and Pitt. I’ve also heard a bit about Virginia, Maryland and even (as Larry mentioned earlier) Texas. I think I recall hearing something about Vanderbilt as well. All of those schools also belong to the AAU.

    If they truly want to keep it the only all-AAU conference, there aren’t a whole lot of other choices that make sense.[/quote]

    Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, and Missouri. All have been rumored and make sense.

  • aflfan | January 6, 2010 at 10:42 pm |

    If you aren’t watching the GMAC bowl you are missing one heck of an ending. Central came back from 12 down to take a three point lead with a minute and seventeen left. Troy just tied it with 31 seconds left. Central about to receive the kick off.

  • leon | January 6, 2010 at 10:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”370868″]While, I am waiting for more basketball scores to be reported. I have done a little more work. First round using BCS rankings and conference champions and the AP Poll for any conference champions not ranked in the BCS poll

    #16 – Navy vs. #1 – Alamaba
    #15 – East Carolina vs. #2 Texas
    #14 – Troy vs. #3 – Cincinnati
    #13 – Central Michigan vs. #4 – Texas Christian
    #12 – Brigham Young vs. #5 – Florida
    #11 – Virginia Tech vs. #6 – Boise State
    #10 – Iowa vs. #7 – Oregon
    #9 – Georgia Tech vs. #8 – Ohio State

    LSU and Penn State are out because the SEC and Big Ten already have two teams.[/quote]

    What about all conference champs and top indy being seeded higher than 2nd place finishers? the bottom 3 would then be:
    Fla
    Iowa
    VA tech

  • Bob Loblaw | January 6, 2010 at 10:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”370820″][quote comment=”370809″][quote comment=”370808″]
    The script Iowa helmet does look good in a good quality color picture. I also think a break from the Steeler style uniforms would be a good idea. I do not see it happening soon though.[/quote]

    they could always go back to this

    and why is it tOSU’s two biggest fans (larry and roberto) don’t want a conference championship?

    seems everyone else is on board with that…is it that you just don’t want dome in the big 11?[/quote]

    iowa keeps the current pants and helmet, and goes to this jersey.

    you make enough overtures to a lady(ND) and are rebuffed, eventually you move on and are happy without them. screw ND, and if i needed more help hating them, three words, south side & chicago.

    you want to know why i could care less phil, because it isn’t important. the only people who care that much about the playoffs(national title) are the people unaffiliated and that fact drives me buzzirk, we simply do not need to crown a champion that everyone is happy with. if Tosu beats scum great, wins conference, even better, wins the rose bowl, i have am thrilled, why do i care about a national title, it means nothing with or without playoff.it just doesn’t matter[/quote]
    My Hero: http://www.flickr.co...

  • rpm | January 6, 2010 at 10:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”370849″][quote comment=”370820″]
    you make enough overtures to a lady(ND) and are rebuffed, eventually you move on and are happy without them. screw ND, and if i needed more help hating them, three words, south side & chicago.

    you want to know why i could care less phil, because it isn’t important. the only people who care that much about the playoffs(national title) are the people unaffiliated and that fact drives me buzzirk, we simply do not need to crown a champion that everyone is happy with. if Tosu beats scum great, wins conference, even better, wins the rose bowl, i have am thrilled, why do i care about a national title, it means nothing with or without playoff.it just doesn’t matter[/quote]

    From a Purdue guy, I second everything the esteemed Comrade Marshall says. I want Purdue to whip IU, and go to the Rose Bowl. I don’t care about the national championship, because in football, it’s always been subjective and relatively meaningless.

    Oh, and ND can screw themselves. They’d be a middle-of-the-pack BigTen team, at best.[/quote]

    you hera that phil and all you football playoff guys?!!! they are speaking up!

  • aflfan | January 6, 2010 at 10:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”370877″][quote comment=”370868″]While, I am waiting for more basketball scores to be reported. I have done a little more work. First round using BCS rankings and conference champions and the AP Poll for any conference champions not ranked in the BCS poll

    #16 – Navy vs. #1 – Alamaba
    #15 – East Carolina vs. #2 Texas
    #14 – Troy vs. #3 – Cincinnati
    #13 – Central Michigan vs. #4 – Texas Christian
    #12 – Brigham Young vs. #5 – Florida
    #11 – Virginia Tech vs. #6 – Boise State
    #10 – Iowa vs. #7 – Oregon
    #9 – Georgia Tech vs. #8 – Ohio State

    LSU and Penn State are out because the SEC and Big Ten already have two teams.[/quote]

    What about all conference champs and top indy being seeded higher than 2nd place finishers? the bottom 3 would then be:
    Fla
    Iowa
    VA tech[/quote]

    I have some trouble telling a 12-1 Florida they are seed lower than a 9-4 Navy. Florida’s only loss is to number 1 Alabama they deserve something for that.

  • JimV19 | January 6, 2010 at 10:59 pm |

    Simpler playoff idea:

    First of all, let’s face reality – the MAC and the Sun Belt are 1-AA conferences. Relegate them to where they belong. Probably gotta send Conference USA down, too.

    That leaves eight conferences. Army, Navy and ND can join a conference or sit out the playoffs.

    Incorporate the four major bowls for the first round. After that you have the Final Four, then the championship game. Yes, the bowls would be played before New Years, but is that any worse than being played after New Years?

    You say you’re the 2nd place team in the SEC and you think you’re more worthy than Boise State or TCU? You shoulda won your own conference. Go play in a lesser bowl, but you’re not in the playoffs. Stop scheduling early-season cupcakes and we’ll consider your argument, however.

    This is just off the top of my head, so I’m not saying this is THE solution. I like it, though. Same time frame to crown a champion, too. Major bowls get played around Christmas, Final Four on NYD and the JimV Bowl (why not? It’s my idea…) the week after that.

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 10:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”370873″][quote comment=”370814″]http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slides/photos/000/118/489/72483480.jpg.13538.0_display_image.jpg

    I would take that so called banana peel uniform over current ones. Now I am not saying the current uniforms look bad. The Steelers home uniform is a nice looking uni. I just think it would be good if Iowa had their own identity and not imitate the Steeler’s uniform[/quote]

    But that’s just it, Larry. Iowa’s been in those Steeler ‘knockoffs’ for nearly 30+ years. While that’s not close to the century mark, it certainly enough time to ‘create it’s own identity’ as you put it.

    Heck, if you go back 30+ years decent programs like UBUffalo or Connecticut didn’t even exist.
    (to give you a bit of prospective).

    There’s nothing wrong w/ that look. It’s one of the sharpest in the NFL and isn’t that what you’re selling those 18 year olds? innit?[/quote]

    I know and they have had them for a while. Funny thing is even in the 1950’s and early 60’s Iowa and the Steelers uniforms looked pretty much alike.

    The current helmet logo is a good one. The flying Hawkeye that they wore briefly to me was good.

    They most likely will not change them but I prefer a non Steelers uniform like the banana peel or whatever. And I forget what made them even give that uniform a try. Anybody have a story behind it?

  • rpm | January 6, 2010 at 11:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”370860″][quote comment=”370859″]
    Can anybody here read? I have been for a National Championship playoff since the 1970’s. It is these so called conference championship games I do not like.

    sheesh[/quote]

    sorry, larry

    didn’t mean to group you in with rpm and ricko

    /my bad[/quote]
    real men like ricko, and marlowe don’t need anybody standing next to them, their principle is enough to carry the day.

    why no playoff larry/phil, because it is 100% unnecessary. why do you feel the need for it? why does it matter to you? why can’t the big ten champ just play the pac ten champ? why is that so bad? you people are sick of teams like Tosu now, just wait until there is a playoff system, it will shut out the mid level teams in each conference even more, the Tosu will be even stronger, just wait. be careful what you wish for.

  • BuckeyeMark | January 6, 2010 at 11:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”370854″][quote comment=”370853″]”I missed Flordia so the would be in and Penn State would be out.”

    This would make the Big Ten posters who want no part of any Nat championship discussion and only wish to win the rose bowl happy, as well.[/quote]

    exactly…that’s why they don’t want a playoff[/quote]

    please don’t generalize. not all Buckeye fans are against a national playoff. I for one would love one IF the first round games are played at the home stadium of the higher ranked team.

    you want to talk “afraid?” when is the last time a SEC team journeyed north of the Mason Dixon line? I’d love to see Florida in Columbus in December… or Happy Valley or even the Big House. no one ever seems to notice that Big Ten teams have to build a team that can win in October and November in tough weather conditions but the NC game is always in a warm weather site. hmm… wonder who that favors?

  • rpm | January 6, 2010 at 11:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”370880″][quote comment=”370877″][quote comment=”370868″]While, I am waiting for more basketball scores to be reported. I have done a little more work. First round using BCS rankings and conference champions and the AP Poll for any conference champions not ranked in the BCS poll

    #16 – Navy vs. #1 – Alamaba
    #15 – East Carolina vs. #2 Texas
    #14 – Troy vs. #3 – Cincinnati
    #13 – Central Michigan vs. #4 – Texas Christian
    #12 – Brigham Young vs. #5 – Florida
    #11 – Virginia Tech vs. #6 – Boise State
    #10 – Iowa vs. #7 – Oregon
    #9 – Georgia Tech vs. #8 – Ohio State

    LSU and Penn State are out because the SEC and Big Ten already have two teams.[/quote]

    What about all conference champs and top indy being seeded higher than 2nd place finishers? the bottom 3 would then be:
    Fla
    Iowa
    VA tech[/quote]

    I have some trouble telling a 12-1 Florida they are seed lower than a 9-4 Navy. Florida’s only loss is to number 1 Alabama they deserve something for that.[/quote]

    no they don’t. win your conference. would anybody have argued for the big 10 before the bowls, but what happened after? that’s right psu beat lsu, nw almost beat auburn, iowa dominated, nobody gave the bucks a chance, wisconsin was strong.i am not about to argue that the big ten is better then the sec, but why does perception get to play any part of it? no, win your conference or go home, you don’t get to cry.

    and yes jim mothervilker, if ND navy and army don’t join a conference, they can’t dance at the ball.

    but more importantly, we. don’t. need. a. playoff. and get rid of the title game too, the burnt orange bite this year, they don’t deserve to play in this game, look how bad the big 12 faired. sure they could win, but that would be a travesty. in the olde days we would have a split champ ala/ut winner and boise/tcu winner. is that really so bad?

  • JimV19 | January 6, 2010 at 11:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”370882″]The current helmet logo is a good one. The flying Hawkeye that they wore briefly to me was good.

    They most likely will not change them but I prefer a non Steelers uniform like the banana peel or whatever. And I forget what made them even give that uniform a try. Anybody have a story behind it?[/quote]

    If I didn’t know you were a Browns fan, I’d know it after that statement. Only a true Steeler hater would think the banana peel unis are better. ;)

    I wouldn’t mind a different uni for Iowa, but not that one.

    Or, they could just make one subtle change, make the numbers yellow the way Div. 2 Millersville does: http://www.millersvi... (hard to see it there, but they are yellow)

  • aflfan | January 6, 2010 at 11:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”370885″][quote comment=”370880″][quote comment=”370877″][quote comment=”370868″]While, I am waiting for more basketball scores to be reported. I have done a little more work. First round using BCS rankings and conference champions and the AP Poll for any conference champions not ranked in the BCS poll

    #16 – Navy vs. #1 – Alamaba
    #15 – East Carolina vs. #2 Texas
    #14 – Troy vs. #3 – Cincinnati
    #13 – Central Michigan vs. #4 – Texas Christian
    #12 – Brigham Young vs. #5 – Florida
    #11 – Virginia Tech vs. #6 – Boise State
    #10 – Iowa vs. #7 – Oregon
    #9 – Georgia Tech vs. #8 – Ohio State

    LSU and Penn State are out because the SEC and Big Ten already have two teams.[/quote]

    What about all conference champs and top indy being seeded higher than 2nd place finishers? the bottom 3 would then be:
    Fla
    Iowa
    VA tech[/quote]

    I have some trouble telling a 12-1 Florida they are seed lower than a 9-4 Navy. Florida’s only loss is to number 1 Alabama they deserve something for that.[/quote]

    no they don’t. win your conference. would anybody have argued for the big 10 before the bowls, but what happened after? that’s right psu beat lsu, nw almost beat auburn, iowa dominated, nobody gave the bucks a chance, wisconsin was strong.i am not about to argue that the big ten is better then the sec, but why does perception get to play any part of it? no, win your conference or go home, you don’t get to cry.

    and yes jim mothervilker, if ND navy and army don’t join a conference, they can’t dance at the ball.

    but more importantly, we. don’t. need. a. playoff. and get rid of the title game too, the burnt orange bite this year, they don’t deserve to play in this game, look how bad the big 12 faired. sure they could win, but that would be a travesty. in the olde days we would have a split champ ala/ut winner and boise/tcu winner. is that really so bad?[/quote]

    In my opinion, yes it is. I want a definite National Champions decided on the field not on paper setting up two teams that may be the best. What is so wrong about playing it out on the field?

  • Mickel | January 6, 2010 at 11:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”370655″]Hey Mickel,

    Here are those Tacoma Thunder pics I told you I had: http://www.uniwatchb...
    JimV
    Thanks for the screen shots. Nice Cougar jerseys. Wish I could have seen them live.

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 11:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”370883″][quote comment=”370860″][quote comment=”370859″]
    Can anybody here read? I have been for a National Championship playoff since the 1970’s. It is these so called conference championship games I do not like.

    sheesh[/quote]

    sorry, larry

    didn’t mean to group you in with rpm and ricko

    /my bad[/quote]
    real men like ricko, and marlowe don’t need anybody standing next to them, their principle is enough to carry the day.

    why no playoff larry/phil, because it is 100% unnecessary. why do you feel the need for it? why does it matter to you? why can’t the big ten champ just play the pac ten champ? why is that so bad? you people are sick of teams like Tosu now, just wait until there is a playoff system, it will shut out the mid level teams in each conference even more, the Tosu will be even stronger, just wait. be careful what you wish for.[/quote]

    I hate the sujectivity of it all. I like how every other level of football does it. All except one. I do not like the well I like well it is more fun to argue about who is #1

    Heck not just every other level of college football does it but states do it for high school football. I have no idea of the figures but how many states do not have a playoff.

    I know not everybody wants a playoff. But my question to the anti playoff guys is how do you know how bad or good it would be if there finally was a playoff in 1A. I love March madness and how basketball gets a National champion via playoffs.

    Even if I was not a Buckeye fan I would want a playoff. I thinking voting for the best teams is a dumb as it is in a gymnastics meet. Now it is like Miss America contest.

    Like Paterno said the way it is now some teams or pre ordained to have the chance in a BCS title game.

    When a playoff is good enough for every other level of college football and state high schools then it is about time to do it the right way in 1A.

  • JimV19 | January 6, 2010 at 11:28 pm |

    Great point, BuckeyeMark – I’d like to see an SEC team come up and play in the snow.

    Robert, I agree if we don’t have a playoff, then there’s nothing wrong with a split champion. There should have been a few more of those in the past. But I’d still like a playoff that incorporates the major bowls.

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 11:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”370886″][quote comment=”370882″]The current helmet logo is a good one. The flying Hawkeye that they wore briefly to me was good.

    They most likely will not change them but I prefer a non Steelers uniform like the banana peel or whatever. And I forget what made them even give that uniform a try. Anybody have a story behind it?[/quote]

    If I didn’t know you were a Browns fan, I’d know it after that statement. Only a true Steeler hater would think the banana peel unis are better. ;)

    I wouldn’t mind a different uni for Iowa, but not that one.

    Or, they could just make one subtle change, make the numbers yellow the way Div. 2 Millersville does: http://www.millersvi... (hard to see it there, but they are yellow)[/quote]

    I am a Browns fan and a Steeler hater. Comes with the territory. I did not mean to say the banana peel uni was better. I actually said the Steelers have a good looking uniform. I just think Iowa should have a look not patterned off of an NFL team. How many fans look at Iowa and think of the Steelers? Maybe the Steelers should change the unis so they do not look like Iowa?

    And as a kid I did like the Steelers since my dad did. Back in the Bobby Layne, Big Daddy Lipscomb. Tom the Bomb Tracy days.

  • aflfan | January 6, 2010 at 11:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”370890″]Great point, BuckeyeMark – I’d like to see an SEC team come up and play in the snow.

    Robert, I agree if we don’t have a playoff, then there’s nothing wrong with a split champion. There should have been a few more of those in the past. But I’d still like a playoff that incorporates the major bowls.[/quote]

    As a Michigan fan, I agree that is would be nice to see some of those southern or southern california teams play in the crap in late October or November but everyone is in conference at that time.

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 11:35 pm |

    And if JimV is still around here I am at Christmas long ago with my Steelers replica jersey on and Steeler helmet.

    I still have that helmet.

    http://img.photobuck...

    http://img.photobuck...

    Also in my NFL pjs

  • JimV19 | January 6, 2010 at 11:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”370888″][quote comment=”370655″]Hey Mickel,

    Here are those Tacoma Thunder pics I told you I had: http://www.uniwatchb...
    JimV
    Thanks for the screen shots. Nice Cougar jerseys. Wish I could have seen them live.[/quote]

    No problem. It was fun to look through that game again.

    My brother has at least one Cougars jersey, maybe more. He snagged one for me, but it didn’t fit right so I gave it back to him. I think he has a t-shirt for each of the teams they played.

    If you liked the 80s Denver Nuggets you’d like the IBL. A lot of run-and-gunning, scores in the 120-150 range, only one timeout per quarter and a 22-second shot clock. I liked it more than today’s NBA.

  • BuckeyeMark | January 6, 2010 at 11:38 pm |

    [quote comment=\”370892\”][quote comment=\”370890\”]Great point, BuckeyeMark – I\’d like to see an SEC team come up and play in the snow.

    Robert, I agree if we don\’t have a playoff, then there\’s nothing wrong with a split champion. There should have been a few more of those in the past. But I\’d still like a playoff that incorporates the major bowls.[/quote]

    As a Michigan fan, I agree that is would be nice to see some of those southern or southern california teams play in the crap in late October or November but everyone is in conference at that time.[/quote]

    can you imagine turning on your TV the second week of December and seeing USC about to kick off to Penn State in a snowstorm in Happy Valley? or LSU playing Ohio State in a cold sleet/snow in the ‘Shoe? wow. the TV ratings would be off the charts.

    football as it is meant to be played – out in the weather by real men. it would be incredible.

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 11:39 pm |

    Some of those SEC teams have hardly every left the south for away games.

    Only Alabama and Tennessee have done so to any extent. Georgia and Florida hardly ever have done so.

    Did anybody note the Miami Hurricanes all bundled up and shivering and with heaters in that 50 degree bowl game. Wisconsin was loving the temps

  • rpm | January 6, 2010 at 11:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”370884″][quote comment=”370854″][quote comment=”370853″]”I missed Flordia so the would be in and Penn State would be out.”

    This would make the Big Ten posters who want no part of any Nat championship discussion and only wish to win the rose bowl happy, as well.[/quote]

    exactly…that’s why they don’t want a playoff[/quote]

    please don’t generalize. not all Buckeye fans are against a national playoff. I for one would love one IF the first round games are played at the home stadium of the higher ranked team.

    you want to talk “afraid?” when is the last time a SEC team journeyed north of the Mason Dixon line? I’d love to see Florida in Columbus in December… or Happy Valley or even the Big House. no one ever seems to notice that Big Ten teams have to build a team that can win in October and November in tough weather conditions but the NC game is always in a warm weather site. hmm… wonder who that favors?[/quote]

    i agree with your last point about home bowls in the south, and the sec never traveling north, but…

    i am well aware that there are more then enough buckeye alumni that would love a playoff. but first of all, i don’t care what buckeye “fans” want, if you went to kent state, do me a favour and root root root for the golden flash, big state U isn’t your U. but yeah, there are more then enough buckeye grads that would love the pissing contest a playoff would bring, maybe you are one of them, i am sure there are plenty. i am sorry to be a dick about this, but i feel very strongly that a playoff is not needed, you want everything perfect wrapped watch the nfl. college football beautifully imperfect, and it should be. college ball is waking up having a beer, walking across the oval, listening to the orton hall bells, selling your ticket to an alumnus, lsitening to the band, passing coeds up the stadium rows, hazing brutus, jumping in mirror lake, blah blah blah. not to mention classes with 1,500 students, breaking into the catacombs, drawing in my favourite tree, dancing in costume for local bands like ishkabibble and everything else that the Tosu experience gave me and i get to remember on a random saturday morning as we play indiana. and part of that experience, is two important games the scUM and the rose bowl, i don’t need more then that. and if anybody does, then you are missing the romance of college football.

  • JimV19 | January 6, 2010 at 11:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”370893″]And if JimV is still around here I am at Christmas long ago with my Steelers replica jersey on and Steeler helmet.

    I still have that helmet.

    http://img.photobuck...

    http://img.photobuck...

    Also in my NFL pjs[/quote]

    You started out a Steelers fan, I started out…a bit confused: http://farm5.static.... (actually was a Vikings fan at first)

    Then I got my head on straight: http://farm3.static....

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 11:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”370898″][quote comment=”370893″]And if JimV is still around here I am at Christmas long ago with my Steelers replica jersey on and Steeler helmet.

    I still have that helmet.

    http://img.photobuck...

    http://img.photobuck...

    Also in my NFL pjs[/quote]

    You started out a Steelers fan, I started out…a bit confused: http://farm5.static.... (actually was a Vikings fan at first)

    Then I got my head on straight: http://farm3.static....

    haha good comeback

  • rpm | January 6, 2010 at 11:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”370889″][quote comment=”370883″][quote comment=”370860″][quote comment=”370859″]
    Can anybody here read? I have been for a National Championship playoff since the 1970’s. It is these so called conference championship games I do not like.

    sheesh[/quote]

    sorry, larry

    didn’t mean to group you in with rpm and ricko

    /my bad[/quote]
    real men like ricko, and marlowe don’t need anybody standing next to them, their principle is enough to carry the day.

    why no playoff larry/phil, because it is 100% unnecessary. why do you feel the need for it? why does it matter to you? why can’t the big ten champ just play the pac ten champ? why is that so bad? you people are sick of teams like Tosu now, just wait until there is a playoff system, it will shut out the mid level teams in each conference even more, the Tosu will be even stronger, just wait. be careful what you wish for.[/quote]

    I hate the sujectivity of it all. I like how every other level of football does it. All except one. I do not like the well I like well it is more fun to argue about who is #1

    Heck not just every other level of college football does it but states do it for high school football. I have no idea of the figures but how many states do not have a playoff.

    I know not everybody wants a playoff. But my question to the anti playoff guys is how do you know how bad or good it would be if there finally was a playoff in 1A. I love March madness and how basketball gets a National champion via playoffs.

    Even if I was not a Buckeye fan I would want a playoff. I thinking voting for the best teams is a dumb as it is in a gymnastics meet. Now it is like Miss America contest.

    Like Paterno said the way it is now some teams or pre ordained to have the chance in a BCS title game.

    When a playoff is good enough for every other level of college football and state high schools then it is about time to do it the right way in 1A.[/quote]

    the other divisions of the ncaa also only have the playoff teams involved. sorry south carolina, northwestern, stanford, kansas, uconn and everybody but the best of the best, everyone else can stay at home 95% of thew time. the argument that the other divisions do it is a poor one.

    and how are the playoff “bowls” to survive when you are asking the alumni to travel to 4 games? won’t their be an atlanta brave effect for fans of schools like usc tosu, uf who expect to be there every year? are we forgetting some current financial realities?

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 11:51 pm |

    Actually when I was a kid my neighbor buddy was one of those bragging type kids who always bragged about the Browns beating the Steelers and since my dad was a Steeler fan he got on me for it. Jimmy Brown and the Browns were good then.

    I told Phil and Michael Princip I also like the Cowboys in my teen years and later. Always like the shiny helmet with a star on it. The Bob Hayes and later Roger Staubach years. But I also like the Browns in that period.

    I remember a lot about the Steelers in the early 1960’s

  • rpm | January 6, 2010 at 11:55 pm |

    again, i don’t mean to be a dick about this, but i do feel strongly that an imperfect system is more then fine, can’t the whole thing be fun. i am sorry if i have offended anyone, but i just don’t want or think we need a playoff.

  • JimV19 | January 6, 2010 at 11:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”370897″]i don’t need more then that. and if anybody does, then you are missing the romance of college football.[/quote]

    This, my friend, is the romance of college football…the intimate romance of college football: http://farm3.static....
    http://farm3.static....

    Get thyself to a Division II game and see how the game was meant to be played. Hey, we should have a UW gathering at a Slippery Rock game, or maybe Northwood, Bemidji State, East Stroudsburg…

  • Jason - Fire Up Chips! | January 6, 2010 at 11:58 pm |

    Kid who blocked the Troy kick in second overtime was number 22 Vince Agnew

    Here getting jumped over
    http://www.tailgate3...

    But tonight he had his jersey ripped and so he was relegated to wearing a nameless number 37 jersey. Thought that was interesting.

  • LarryB | January 6, 2010 at 11:58 pm |

    Every other level of football does have on the field National Championship playoffs and they do not have bowls.

    1A can have the playoffs and still have bowls. I did not say stop all 35 bowl games that we now have where all it takes is to go 6-6 and you are a bowl team. Just like now Ohio State beat Oregon in the Rose Bowl and a few days later the Rose Bowl hosts the BCS title game that only 2 teams qualify for.

    I am not one who takes a lot of time drawing up playoff scenarios. I say just do it. Use the current bowls for playoffs and have any other bowl you want for the 72 teams that do not make the playoffs

    Playoffs work in every other level of football. Just give them a chance in 1A. Maybe you would like them.

  • LarryB | January 7, 2010 at 12:01 am |

    [quote comment=”370903″][quote comment=”370897″]i don’t need more then that. and if anybody does, then you are missing the romance of college football.[/quote]

    This, my friend, is the romance of college football…the intimate romance of college football: http://farm3.static....
    http://farm3.static....

    Get thyself to a Division II game and see how the game was meant to be played. Hey, we should have a UW gathering at a Slippery Rock game, or maybe Northwood, Bemidji State, East Stroudsburg…[/quote]

    My brother and I did go see a Mt Union game a few years ago. It was great. Well not great game wise since Mt Union beat Otterbein I think it was something like 60-0. But good to see college football at that level.

  • JimV19 | January 7, 2010 at 12:08 am |

    [quote comment=”370901″]Actually when I was a kid my neighbor buddy was one of those bragging type kids who always bragged about the Browns beating the Steelers and since my dad was a Steeler fan he got on me for it. Jimmy Brown and the Browns were good then.

    I told Phil and Michael Princip I also like the Cowboys in my teen years and later. Always like the shiny helmet with a star on it. The Bob Hayes and later Roger Staubach years. But I also like the Browns in that period.

    I remember a lot about the Steelers in the early 1960’s[/quote]

    The Cowboys? Aw well, at least that’s better than the Raiders…

    I liked Bob Hayes, but by the time the Cowboys left the Cotton Bowl I was a big Oilers fan.

    Can’t remember the 60s (not because I was on anything, just too young), but I read a lot about Bobby Layne throwing to Buddy Dial. I would have liked to have seen them play, especially in my favorite unis: http://s647.photobuc...

  • LarryB | January 7, 2010 at 12:08 am |

    rpm, no problem I have debated the playoff issue on Ohio State boards before.

    Like uniwatching where everybody has different opinions on what they like or dislike. There are people who like the bowls and do not want playoffs.

    I want a playoff but I realize it just is not going to happen

  • LI Phil | January 7, 2010 at 12:15 am |

    dammit

    i leave the boards for an hour and half to work on the weekends’ posts and i miss some of the best arguments we ever had…at least in a non-uni or non-yankee sense

    i’ll say this to roberto — if you want to go back to the way it was, i won’t argue with you very strongly — im saying the way it is now SUCKS DICK

    either we get ourselves a playoff or we go back to the olden days…but the BS we’re putting up with the past decade is worse than it ever was

    oh…and mr. marshall, check your email

  • LarryB | January 7, 2010 at 12:16 am |

    [quote comment=”370907″][quote comment=”370901″]Actually when I was a kid my neighbor buddy was one of those bragging type kids who always bragged about the Browns beating the Steelers and since my dad was a Steeler fan he got on me for it. Jimmy Brown and the Browns were good then.

    I told Phil and Michael Princip I also like the Cowboys in my teen years and later. Always like the shiny helmet with a star on it. The Bob Hayes and later Roger Staubach years. But I also like the Browns in that period.

    I remember a lot about the Steelers in the early 1960’s[/quote]

    The Cowboys? Aw well, at least that’s better than the Raiders…

    I liked Bob Hayes, but by the time the Cowboys left the Cotton Bowl I was a big Oilers fan.

    Can’t remember the 60s (not because I was on anything, just too young), but I read a lot about Bobby Layne throwing to Buddy Dial. I would have liked to have seen them play, especially in my favorite unis: http://s647.photobuc...

    That was a nice looking away jersey Bobby Layne is shown wearing.

    I told the story here before. My dad took me on a train to Cleveland from Youngstown to see the Steelers at the Browns. It had to be the year right after Layne retired. I think he was a coach. After the game and before our train back home my dad stopped in a beer garden and Bobby Layne surprise surprise was in there drinking. I remember my dad talked to him a little bit.

    For a while I was thinking the picture shown was a game I was at. But later somehow figured out it was the following year

  • rpm | January 7, 2010 at 12:16 am |

    [quote comment=”370903″][quote comment=”370897″]i don’t need more then that. and if anybody does, then you are missing the romance of college football.[/quote]

    This, my friend, is the romance of college football…the intimate romance of college football: http://farm3.static....
    http://farm3.static....

    Get thyself to a Division II game and see how the game was meant to be played. Hey, we should have a UW gathering at a Slippery Rock game, or maybe Northwood, Bemidji State, East Stroudsburg…[/quote]

    i had actually typed that”jim mothervilker had it right with the dII and dIII stuff….” but deleted it because it caused me to rant about something else.

  • JimV19 | January 7, 2010 at 12:25 am |

    [quote comment=”370910″]After the game and before our train back home my dad stopped in a beer garden and Bobby Layne surprise surprise was in there drinking.[/quote]

    Born too soon…Bobby woulda been a perfect spokesman for all those Miller Lite commercials in the 70s and 80s.

  • LI Phil | January 7, 2010 at 12:51 am |

    [quote comment=”370907″]Can’t remember the 60s[/quote]

    you, dennis hopper and david crosby

  • ShaunT | January 7, 2010 at 12:54 am |

    [quote comment=”370896″]Some of those SEC teams have hardly every left the south for away games.

    Only Alabama and Tennessee have done so to any extent. Georgia and Florida hardly ever have done so.
    [/quote]

    im sorry if this has already been addressed, as im just now reading through comments, but what?? Georgia played AT OkState and AT Arizona State each of past two years. not only is that out of the south, but its against decent teams.

    true about florida, i think i read somewhere that teblow was only player to win heisman and never play a non conference game out of his state.

    and about the playoff, 16 teams is far too many. i created an 8 team playoff a couple years ago based on AP rankings that doesnt require any games to be cut from regular season and allows all bowls plus NC game to be played on schedule (i.e. rose bowl on new years day). i can show anyone who is interested, drop me a line abraves257 at gmail.com

  • Hibbsy | January 7, 2010 at 1:13 am |

    Snow day.
    Like a mug!

  • rpm | January 7, 2010 at 1:28 am |

    [quote comment=”370915″]Snow day.
    Like a mug![/quote]

    just got off the phone with pineapple who went back down there today…y’all are candy~asses, what’s a lil snow.
    love,
    the city that works

  • Hibbsy | January 7, 2010 at 1:57 am |

    My shoulders are broader than Chicago’s.
    St. Louie is workin.
    Just not me.
    Uh huh.
    Yeah.
    MH

  • JTH | January 7, 2010 at 7:39 am |

    [quote comment=”370914″]im sorry if this has already been addressed, as im just now reading through comments, but what?? Georgia played AT OkState and AT Arizona State each of past two years. not only is that out of the south, but its against decent teams.[/quote]
    I take it geography’s not your strong suit.

  • ShaunT | January 7, 2010 at 1:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”370918″][quote comment=”370914″]im sorry if this has already been addressed, as im just now reading through comments, but what?? Georgia played AT OkState and AT Arizona State each of past two years. not only is that out of the south, but its against decent teams.[/quote]
    I take it geography’s not your strong suit.[/quote]

    OK, you go to Oklahoma or Arizona and see how many people think they are in the “south”.