As the Year Bobbles Down…

“I am not going to lie,” says Robert Marshall. “I worked my ass of cobbling and bobbling to make sure everybody got their bobbleheads in time for the holidays.” Shown above is video of a special Rollie Fingers model he made — love the ’stache.

“I have stopped even trying to keep the cats out of the videos,” Robert says, and that’s fine by me. Here’s one with kitty Jesco, who hopped up on Robert’s old tube radio because it offered some warmth on a cold winter’s night:

For more bobble vids, look here and click on “see all” under the thumbnails.

New ESPN column today — the obligatory “Decade in Review” piece, and I don’t mind saying it’s pretty damn killer. Check it out.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Temple wore early-1990s throwbacks on Monday night. “They also played the game in their old athletic facility, McGonigle Hall, which they haven’t called home since 1997,” says Michael Tucci. … Here’s another cool wedding item — customized Louisville Sluggers from Larry Wiederecht’s ceremony in 1993. “He was working at the National Association at the time and was involved with the winter meetings trade show, which featured exhibitors such as Louisville Slugger,” explains brother Paul Wiederecht. “So he had them make miniature bats for everyone at the reception, and also had full-size versions of our father’s Slugger model from his playing days for everyone in the wedding party.” … Ian Anderson‘s sister had a Redskins jersey turned into a purse. … Second graf of this item implies that NHL teams can’t sell game-worn jerseys. That can’t be right, can it? Details, please (as noted by Kenn Tomasch). … Even the Bengals’ cheerleaders are memorializing Chris Henry (with thanks to Brinke Guthrie). … Back in a 2005 ESPN column, I wrote that “Ara Parseghian added [stenciled] blue stars to [Notre Dame's] helmets in the early 1970s for making outstanding plays.” But now Dan Cichalski, having read Jim Dent’s book Resurrection, reports that Parseghian actually began the practice in 1964, for players who made interceptions. … Ridiculously detailed analysis of the UNC hoops team’s shoes here, with a photo gallery here. … Bizarre scene in last night’s Miami/Wisconsin bowl game (sorry, I can’t bring myself to say the official name), as Miami players were wearing one orange/white shoe and one green/white (thanks, Phil). … The Chicago Wolves, an AHL team, will wear special jerseys to honor the local police and fire departments next mont (with thanks to Jonathan Cain). … A few weeks ago I mentioned that Tris Wykes was hoping to get this old football, originally used in the 1903 Dartmouth/Harvard game, restored. He’s now written an extensive account of the ball’s history and the lore surrounding it. Check it out here.

 

165 comments to As the Year Bobbles Down…

  • Johnny O | December 30, 2009 at 7:25 am |

    I can’t find any pictures, but in addition to the green and orange tones “The U” had last night on their shoes, they also had matching colored plates on the bottom of their shoes. When the Hurricane player was hurt towards the end of the first half, and as he was helped off the field, you could really see them well. Sorry I couldn’t get the screen grab, I was at a friends house watching the game.

  • MPowers1634 | December 30, 2009 at 7:32 am |

    Nice work, Marshall…you are a unique talent.

    The UNC gametracker is very well done and incredibly thorough. Well done!

  • MPowers1634 | December 30, 2009 at 7:49 am |

    Phil, If you’re out there, I got 12 out of the 21 correct on the quiz.

    I apologize to everyone reading, but I have reached a point in which I can no longer tolerate the sad state of affais which is football uniforms.

    When I played, I HATED the bulky weight of the padded pants and especially the girdle, holding the hip and butt pad. My remedy was to get the smallest pants offered and simply use a belt for the hips and butt.

    I disliked the jersey sleeves even moreso. For those, I basically hemmed them with shoelaces to reduce the length as well as the width.

    In addition, I did not like the two toned “NFL” socks that our team wore in college. I didn’t like showing more than 25% of the white. My modification there was simple. I would buy soccer socks in the same shade as our required socks and simply wear extremely low whites over top of them.

    I can admit that I was a uni-modifying culprit and probably was the greatgrandfather of the assinine looks that are occurring today, nut c’mon!

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    I would rather not have them attempt the sleeve stripes at all versus the abomination that are those jerseys.

    NFL Sock practices are even worse…and the pants!
    I can understand the subtraction of bulky padding but the length is unacceptable. At least have them extend to the knee.

    It is truly sickening.

    Rant over.

  • Ray Barrington | December 30, 2009 at 7:51 am |

    I think what the Phoenix Coyotes report is saying is that these are special jerseys that will be auctioned, NOT jerseys that are going to be worn in a game and then auctioned.

  • Seth H | December 30, 2009 at 8:26 am |

    Temple link takes you to a page of AP photos of various events.

  • Paul Lukas | December 30, 2009 at 8:28 am |

    [quote comment="369246"]Temple link takes you to a page of AP photos of various events.[/quote]

    Now fixed.

  • C Ward | December 30, 2009 at 8:33 am |

    I believe what the Coyotes piece is trying to say is that minor league teams have the option of wearing special jerseys whereas NHL teams are limited to their home/away/third.

  • timmy b | December 30, 2009 at 8:36 am |

    This is somewhat of a reach, but the checked pant “stripe” that Temple wore last night in the EagleBank bowl is the way the Chicago Black Hawks (yes, two words) had the center ice stripe at the old Chicago Stadium back in the 60′s and early 70′s (aka the Bobby Hull era).

  • TommyD | December 30, 2009 at 8:48 am |

    RE: Temple basketball throwback.

    According to the Philadelphia Inquirer yesterday, the ticket and concession prices were also rolled back to McGonigle Hall days for the Bowling Green game.

    Check out the second picture, the court has clearly become a volleyball court, or else Fernandez is attempting a Larry Bird-esque shot from beyond the baseline :P

  • TommyD | December 30, 2009 at 8:50 am |

    http://farm3.static....

    seriously different “gold” on the tackle and guard’s pants

  • Seth | December 30, 2009 at 9:06 am |

    The different colored shoes for Miami was intended by Nike. It was done to match the stripes on the pants. On one side is a green stripe and on the other is an orange stripe. Miami’s uniform is shown with different colored shoes in Nike’s publicity photos when they were debuted.

  • Kevin | December 30, 2009 at 9:07 am |

    The cat in the videos makes them better. The official bobblehead cat.

  • Beats in Buffalo | December 30, 2009 at 9:09 am |

    The U obviously lost last night because the bowl patch added too much weight to their streamlined rifelry uniforms. Nike will have to go back to the drawing boards to design a titanium patch thats .000000000001% lighter than the current one so their teams can regain a competative advantage

  • S. Bennett | December 30, 2009 at 9:14 am |

    There’s an obvious joke about the Redskins and purses, but I can’t bring myself to publicly crap on my team.

    SB

  • Geeman | December 30, 2009 at 9:18 am |

    [quote comment="369244"]Phil, If you’re out there, I got 12 out of the 21 correct on the quiz.

    I apologize to everyone reading, but I have reached a point in which I can no longer tolerate the sad state of affais which is football uniforms.

    When I played, I HATED the bulky weight of the padded pants and especially the girdle, holding the hip and butt pad. My remedy was to get the smallest pants offered and simply use a belt for the hips and butt.

    I disliked the jersey sleeves even moreso. For those, I basically hemmed them with shoelaces to reduce the length as well as the width.

    In addition, I did not like the two toned “NFL” socks that our team wore in college. I didn’t like showing more than 25% of the white. My modification there was simple. I would buy soccer socks in the same shade as our required socks and simply wear extremely low whites over top of them.

    I can admit that I was a uni-modifying culprit and probably was the greatgrandfather of the assinine looks that are occurring today, nut c’mon!

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

    I would rather not have them attempt the sleeve stripes at all versus the abomination that are those jerseys.

    NFL Sock practices are even worse…and the pants!
    I can understand the subtraction of bulky padding but the length is unacceptable. At least have them extend to the knee.

    It is truly sickening.

    Rant over.[/quote]

    I’m getting tired of uniform machinations in all sports. The proliferation of alternates, throwbacks, mix-and-matches, and individual personal styles is a mirror of what is happening in society: Everyone going their own way, tradition cast aside and teams’ identities lost, with attention-deficit disorders requiring a constant six-ring circus in front of everyone’s eyes.

    Miami’s storm-trooper attire last night was a far cry from the classic of its 1980s/1990s glory days. I like all white, but last night was an absurd look. Compare that to the beauty of Wisconsin’s uniforms. And look who won. And who’s in the national championship game.

  • Ry Co 40 | December 30, 2009 at 9:18 am |

    uniwatchers if you haven’t done so, pick up (or comission) a marshall bobble. you wont be sorry! easily one of the best things i bought in 09!

  • Geeman | December 30, 2009 at 9:23 am |

    http://farm3.static....

    Love that uniform (stars excepted, of course). Look at that real gold. And the socks are nice.

  • leon | December 30, 2009 at 9:28 am |

    [quote comment="369255"]There’s an obvious joke about the Redskins and purses, but I can’t bring myself to publicly crap on my team.

    SB[/quote]

    Maybe not so much our team, but the player whose jersey was chosen. Works for me.

    BTW, expect the douchebag “hogette” asswipes to be sporting those next year.

  • LI Phil | December 30, 2009 at 9:32 am |

    [quote comment="369244"]Phil, If you’re out there, I got 12 out of the 21 correct on the quiz.[/quote]

    not bad…it was a hard quiz…prolly too hard…next one will be easier (whatever and whenever that may be)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    [quote comment="369244"]I can admit that I was a uni-modifying culprit and probably was the greatgrandfather of the assinine looks that are occurring today, nut c’mon![/quote]

    when interviewed following tampa’s OT win over the saints, chris hovan was asked about his jersey stylings…his response, “saw a picture of matt powers playing at wagner — my uni idol”

    ok, he really just grunted, but he could have said that ;)

  • Paul Lukas | December 30, 2009 at 9:33 am |

    [quote comment="369242"]I can’t find any pictures, but in addition to the green and orange tones “The U” had last night on their shoes, they also had matching colored plates on the bottom of their shoes.[/quote]

    You can see what he’s referring to here:
    http://farm5.static....

    But apparently it wasn’t universal:
    http://farm3.static....

  • Bernard | December 30, 2009 at 9:36 am |

    Robert,

    I may have asked you this before, but I can’t remember. Is your cat, by any chance, named after Jesco White (the Dancing Outlaw)?

  • Jordan Sogn | December 30, 2009 at 9:44 am |

    [quote comment="369261"][quote comment="369242"]I can’t find any pictures, but in addition to the green and orange tones “The U” had last night on their shoes, they also had matching colored plates on the bottom of their shoes.[/quote]

    You can see what he’s referring to here:
    http://farm5.static....

    But apparently it wasn’t universal:
    http://farm3.static....

    This struck me as kind of odd last night. The “U” is orange on the left & green on the right, but the stripes on the hamstrings were the opposite…It still looks cool but would be more uniform if it matched the color pattern of the logo. Now THAT is being picky! :)

  • Teebz | December 30, 2009 at 9:45 am |

    [quote comment="369248"]I believe what the Coyotes piece is trying to say is that minor league teams have the option of wearing special jerseys whereas NHL teams are limited to their home/away/third.[/quote]

    The NHL has an agreement with MeiGray. They don’t sell game-worn items unless it goes through MeiGray’s auction site to ensure authenticity.

  • Jeremy Brahm | December 30, 2009 at 9:46 am |

    The main thing with the game worn NHL jerseys is that they have to be authenticated.

    I found this on the NHL Auction site.

    http://auction.nhl.c...

    “MeiGray is working directly with the National Hockey League and 14 NHL teams this season: Atlanta Thrashers, Boston Bruins, Calgary Flames, Colorado Avalanche, Dallas Stars, Edmonton Oilers, Nashville Predators, New Jersey Devils, New York Rangers, Ottawa Senators, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Vancouver Canucks and Washington Capitals……
    Every jersey worn by the 14 NHL teams working directly with MeiGray throughout the season contains a uniquely individually numbered security tag sewn into the jersey BEFORE IT IS WORN BY THE PLAYER ON THE ICE. That’s so we can tell you who wore the jersey, and when. This tag is equipped with covert security features because collectors deserve 100% authenticity … 100% of the time.”

    If it is signed by the players and a replica or authentic, but not worn on the ice, the Coyotes can sell it. That is my thinking.

  • Jeremy Brahm | December 30, 2009 at 9:47 am |

    I knew that Teebz was on the case, I was typing it and he wasn’t there. I post it and bang he’s right before me.

  • Traxel | December 30, 2009 at 9:50 am |

    Now why would they make the Chicago Wolves jersey read FIRE POLICE on the crest? Maybe because the word POLICE doesn’t fit between the wolf ears?

  • canis19 | December 30, 2009 at 9:52 am |

    I have just one thing to add to the uni argument. As an american aren’t we known for our individual sense of style. Our sense of “bucking the norm”. Being true to one’s self even if it is a look at me moment, is the essence of american. As a final thought I am 40 yrs old and love everything young athletes do.

  • steve | December 30, 2009 at 9:55 am |

    Take a look at this youtube clip from 1979. Two things…30 years, yet visually, the game seems so much the same. I don\\\’t think you could say that about any of the other sports. And, for my eye, as uniforms go, except for the Giants, all the teams look better than they do today.

    http://www.youtube.c...

  • Geeman | December 30, 2009 at 9:57 am |

    [quote comment="369268"]I have just one thing to add to the uni argument. As an american aren’t we known for our individual sense of style. Our sense of “bucking the norm”. Being true to one’s self even if it is a look at me moment, is the essence of american. As a final thought I am 40 yrs old and love everything young athletes do.[/quote]

    Point taken. But when you are a member of a team, your interests take second place to the team’s.

  • MPowers1634 | December 30, 2009 at 10:04 am |

    [quote comment="369261"][quote comment="369242"]I can’t find any pictures, but in addition to the green and orange tones “The U” had last night on their shoes, they also had matching colored plates on the bottom of their shoes.[/quote]

    You can see what he’s referring to here:
    http://farm5.static....

    But apparently it wasn’t universal:
    http://farm3.static....

    That is because some of the players were wearing the chrome accented vapors, similar to what Larry Fitz wore against the Giants:

    http://www.eastbay.c...

    http://cdn2.faniq.co...

  • Paul Lukas | December 30, 2009 at 10:05 am |

    [quote comment="369268"]I have just one thing to add to the uni argument. As an american aren’t we known for our individual sense of style.[/quote]

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

    Last time I checked, America is the place where most people who dare to look “different” (and I don’t mean wearing low whites) are relentlessly ridiculed.

  • Adam | December 30, 2009 at 10:07 am |

    Rumors abound here in Cincinnati that UC will be wearing white helmets for the sugar bowl…Spent 2 minutes on the evening news (story # 2!)debating why white helmets were in equipment bags and left out for practice.

  • C Ward | December 30, 2009 at 10:11 am |

    Teebz said:

    The NHL has an agreement with MeiGray. They don’t sell game-worn items unless it goes through MeiGray’s auction site to ensure authenticity.

    True, but since these Coyotes jerseys are in the style of the minor league Christmas, fire/police, etc. special jerseys, I stand by my original statement. From the article:

    “The Coyotes are taking a page out of minor league hockey as special limited edition jerseys that are later auctioned off are extremely popular. The only difference is the minor leagues are more relaxed with allowing the teams to also wear the jerseys so they are auctioning off game-worn jerseys, whereas the Coyotes don’t have that freedom from the NHL.”

  • Robert | December 30, 2009 at 10:12 am |

    I have rooted for the U for a while (my father went there), but those awfuls unis last nite made me root for Wisconsin.

  • Geeman | December 30, 2009 at 10:13 am |

    [quote comment="369272"][quote comment="369268"]I have just one thing to add to the uni argument. As an american aren’t we known for our individual sense of style.[/quote]

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

    Last time I checked, America is the place where most people who dare to look “different” (and I don’t mean wearing low whites) are relentlessly ridiculed.[/quote]

    America is not alone in that regard. It’s a problem universal to human beings, and probably other species. See Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer (whose New Year version you could watch last night if you weren’t watching that Sporting Goods Store Bowl).

  • LI Phil | December 30, 2009 at 10:17 am |

    [quote comment="369270"]when you are a member of a team, your interests take second place to the team’s.[/quote]

    but you can’t play “look at me” when you’re placing the team’s interests above your own

    oh wait…i guess that’s your point

  • JTH | December 30, 2009 at 10:21 am |

    [quote comment="369267"]Now why would they make the Chicago Wolves jersey read FIRE POLICE on the crest? Maybe because the word POLICE doesn’t fit between the wolf ears?[/quote]
    Dunno. But that is an incredibly generic looking jersey. It might have been nice if they’d used the patches of the Fire/Police depts. of the town they actually play in as the basis for the design. Maybe they could have removed the word “Rosemont” and used a wolf head in place of the rose.

    But that doesn’t matter. Just look at the gleam in this fresh-faced youngster’s eyes as he models that jersey. Something tells me that kid has a future in the NHL…

  • Jim | December 30, 2009 at 10:25 am |

    I saw this last night in the Classic Auction: A color photo of former Bruin’s captain Fern Flaman wearing yellow pants. When did the Bruins wear YELLOW pants? Have a look: http://pics.classica...

  • Kev29 | December 30, 2009 at 10:25 am |

    The Bengals cheerleader “15″ patches seem tastefully done. A whole lot better than the Redskins cheerleaders saluting the 5 year anniversary of 9/11 by sewing American flags to the crotches of their booty shorts.

  • leon | December 30, 2009 at 10:27 am |

    [quote comment="369280"]The Bengals cheerleader “15″ patches seem tastefully done. A whole lot better than the Redskins cheerleaders saluting the 5 year anniversary of 9/11 by sewing American flags to the crotches of their booty shorts.[/quote]

    pix, please.
    (anti-spam word is “broad”.)

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 10:28 am |

    [quote comment="369276"][quote comment="369272"][quote comment="369268"]I have just one thing to add to the uni argument. As an american aren’t we known for our individual sense of style.[/quote]

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

    Last time I checked, America is the place where most people who dare to look “different” (and I don’t mean wearing low whites) are relentlessly ridiculed.[/quote]

    America is not alone in that regard. It’s a problem universal to human beings, and probably other species. See Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer (whose New Year version you could watch last night if you weren’t watching that Sporting Goods Store Bowl).[/quote]

    In about 1775, Alexis deTocqueville, in his writings about this American colonial experiment with democracy, expressed his fear over something “majority coercion.” He worried that independent thought and action might be self-suppressed by the fear of not being associated with the majority group, the group in power.

    As someone who grew up in the ’50s when we kids all were simply expected to grow up, go to college, get married no later than 23 or 24, buy a house, have 2.2 children and own a station wagon, I can say that, from our point of view, anyway…he wasn’t wrong.

    That’s one of the many. many reasons why the whole “hippie” movement was so disconcerting to so many on such a core level. “What, you don’t want to be like we want you to be??? How DARE you!”

    —Ricko

  • JTH | December 30, 2009 at 10:29 am |

    [quote comment="369279"]I saw this last night in the Classic Auction: A color photo of former Bruin’s captain Fern Flaman wearing yellow pants. When did the Bruins wear YELLOW pants? Have a look: http://pics.classica...
    Yellow? I’m pretty sure it’s fern green.

  • Teebz | December 30, 2009 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment="369274"]
    True, but since these Coyotes jerseys are in the style of the minor league Christmas, fire/police, etc. special jerseys, I stand by my original statement.[/quote]

    They are PRACTICE jerseys. Practice jerseys are not worn in games. They are not in the style of a minor-league team or special jersey whatsoever.

  • Dustin | December 30, 2009 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment="369265"]The main thing with the game worn NHL jerseys is that they have to be authenticated.

    I found this on the NHL Auction site.

    http://auction.nhl.c...

    “MeiGray is working directly with the National Hockey League and 14 NHL teams this season: Atlanta Thrashers, Boston Bruins, Calgary Flames, Colorado Avalanche, Dallas Stars, Edmonton Oilers, Nashville Predators, New Jersey Devils, New York Rangers, Ottawa Senators, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Vancouver Canucks and Washington Capitals……
    Every jersey worn by the 14 NHL teams working directly with MeiGray throughout the season contains a uniquely individually numbered security tag sewn into the jersey BEFORE IT IS WORN BY THE PLAYER ON THE ICE. That’s so we can tell you who wore the jersey, and when. This tag is equipped with covert security features because collectors deserve 100% authenticity … 100% of the time.”

    If it is signed by the players and a replica or authentic, but not worn on the ice, the Coyotes can sell it. That is my thinking.[/quote]

    I can confirm this, as a few of my friends collect game-worn jerseys, not only from the NHL, but of minor league teams as well (usually of former Badgers). There is one more type of jersey that I believe has to be authenticated via Meigray, but I’m not sure, and those are game-issue jerseys (ones that were made to be worn in a game, but weren’t due to various reasons).

  • Kev29 | December 30, 2009 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment=\"369281\"]pix, please.
    (anti-spam word is \”broad\”.)[/quote]

    I’ve looked without finding anything before – and it’s tough for me to search at work. Trust me, I was there, it happened.

  • Geeman | December 30, 2009 at 10:44 am |

    [quote comment="369280"]The Bengals cheerleader “15″ patches seem tastefully done. A whole lot better than the Redskins cheerleaders saluting the 5 year anniversary of 9/11 by sewing American flags to the crotches of their booty shorts.[/quote]

    Pics, please!

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 10:46 am |

    High white socks are a symbol of discontent, discord, dissent and open revolution. “You’ll not find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.”

    http://www.constitut...

    (How’s for mixing up all kinds of cultural references, LOL)

    —Ricko

  • Giancarlo | December 30, 2009 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment="369268"]I have just one thing to add to the uni argument. As an american aren’t we known for our individual sense of style. Our sense of “bucking the norm”. Being true to one’s self even if it is a look at me moment, is the essence of american. [/quote]
    Sadly, I think the real hierarchy in American sports nowadays is
    1. The corporate interests who run the team
    2. The “individuals” on the team whose antics most effectively bring attention to the corporate brand
    3. The team

  • Geeman | December 30, 2009 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment="369282"][quote comment="369276"][quote comment="369272"][quote comment="369268"]I have just one thing to add to the uni argument. As an american aren’t we known for our individual sense of style.[/quote]

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

    Last time I checked, America is the place where most people who dare to look “different” (and I don’t mean wearing low whites) are relentlessly ridiculed.[/quote]

    America is not alone in that regard. It’s a problem universal to human beings, and probably other species. See Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer (whose New Year version you could watch last night if you weren’t watching that Sporting Goods Store Bowl).[/quote]

    In about 1775, Alexis deTocqueville, in his writings about this American colonial experiment with democracy, expressed his fear over something “majority coercion.” He worried that independent thought and action might be self-suppressed by the fear of not being associated with the majority group, the group in power.

    As someone who grew up in the ’50s when we kids all were simply expected to grow up, go to college, get married no later than 23 or 24, buy a house, have 2.2 children and own a station wagon, I can say that, from our point of view, anyway…he wasn’t wrong.

    That’s one of the many. many reasons why the whole “hippie” movement was so disconcerting to so many on such a core level. “What, you don’t want to be like we want you to be??? How DARE you!”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I sure don’t want to live in Pleasantville, but sometimes we take things to the extreme the other way. To each his own, but sometimes it’s good to remember that there is something bigger than yourself. Anyway, how did we get on this discussion? Miami’s TEAM looked bad last night, LOL.

  • C Ward | December 30, 2009 at 10:58 am |

    Teebz said:

    They are PRACTICE jerseys. Practice jerseys are not worn in games. They are not in the style of a minor-league team or special jersey whatsoever.

    The article makes no mention of them being practice jerseys. It doesn’t make any mention of the players wearing them all at actually. Not trying to turn this into an argument, just pointing out the vagueness of the article.

  • LI Phil | December 30, 2009 at 11:03 am |

    [quote comment="369282"]

    In about 1775, Alexis deTocqueville, in his writings about this American colonial experiment with democracy, expressed his fear over something “majority coercion.” He worried that independent thought and action might be self-suppressed by the fear of not being associated with the majority group, the group in power.

    [/quote]

    ah yes…we don’t have nearly enough de toqueville references on UW…

    only thing, he didn’t say that in 1775…he wasn’t born until 1805

    he didn’t write his epic tomes Democracy In America until the mid 1830′s and they were actually anachronistic right after being published

    his tyranny of the majority (see the first link) was the major gist, but far from his only points…he was more remarking, at the time, of the ‘american democracy’ experiment gone awry — because, as he was writing, in his eyes, america had ‘gone away’ from it’s “democratic” roots, and had actually elected 4 of 5 presidents who were virginia aristocrats, each one serving for 8 year terms, with, by monroe’s time, only token opposition

    a tremendous book to be sure, but in 1825 (last year of monroe’s presidency), america had ‘kind of’ become less of a democracy and more of a one party rule — and the tyranny of the majority (whereby a mere 50.1% of a ‘democracy’ could completely quash the wishes of the other 49.9%) was a real fear

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 11:06 am |

    I think there is plenty of “Look at Me” involved.

    But, also, for many players it’s a genuine belief that they feel better or look better if, given the latitude, they can wear certain elements of a uni the way they choose. And, from that mindset it IS about the team…because they honestly believe they’ll play better if they look and feel better. And that IS about the team.

    I’m kinda in Powers camp on this. In early ’60s I had a high school end coach who flat-out said, “I hate tape on football shoes.” Me, I loved white-tape spatting my cleats and wearing higher white socks. Liked the way it felt, liked how it looked, made me feel faster. It never occurred to me I’d get noticed, I just felt more like I was ready to play football that way. I know, sounds stupid, but so much of sport is the mindset.

    And I did it his way, of course. But I asked if if could use tape in practice just cuz it felt better…and he said that would be okay. Wish I could have done it games, though. And, of course, a couple years later everyone and their brother was doing it.

    There’s plenty of “performance-aspect” in sports, of wanting to be and look what you feel is your best. Of course you sublimate most of it for the team, and you should. But sometimes there’s that feeling of being told how to dress for a big date…and not being free to wear what you think makes you feel good and self-confident.

    Just sayin’…it isn’t as much about “attention-getting devices” as some make it out to be.

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | December 30, 2009 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment="369291"]Teebz said:

    They are PRACTICE jerseys. Practice jerseys are not worn in games. They are not in the style of a minor-league team or special jersey whatsoever.

    The article makes no mention of them being practice jerseys. It doesn’t make any mention of the players wearing them all at actually. Not trying to turn this into an argument, just pointing out the vagueness of the article.[/quote]

    This is turning into an Alex Goligoski situation.

  • leon | December 30, 2009 at 11:11 am |

    [quote comment="369293"][quote comment="369282"]

    In about 1775, Alexis deTocqueville, in his writings about this American colonial experiment with democracy, expressed his fear over something “majority coercion.” He worried that independent thought and action might be self-suppressed by the fear of not being associated with the majority group, the group in power.

    [/quote]

    ah yes…we don’t have nearly enough de toqueville references on UW…

    only thing, he didn’t say that in 1775…he wasn’t born until 1805

    he didn’t write his epic tomes Democracy In America until the mid 1830′s and they were actually anachronistic right after being published

    his tyranny of the majority (see the first link) was the major gist, but far from his only points…he was more remarking, at the time, of the ‘american democracy’ experiment gone awry — because, as he was writing, in his eyes, america had ‘gone away’ from it’s “democratic” roots, and had actually elected 4 of 5 presidents who were virginia aristocrats, each one serving for 8 year terms, with, by monroe’s time, only token opposition

    a tremendous book to be sure, but in 1825 (last year of monroe’s presidency), america had ‘kind of’ become less of a democracy and more of a one party rule — and the tyranny of the majority (whereby a mere 50.1% of a ‘democracy’ could completely quash the wishes of the other 49.9%) was a real fear[/quote]

    What he said!

    (although I like Ricko’s “majority coercion” and think it could be used as a great football photo caption)

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 11:14 am |

    [quote comment="369293"][quote comment="369282"]

    In about 1775, Alexis deTocqueville, in his writings about this American colonial experiment with democracy, expressed his fear over something “majority coercion.” He worried that independent thought and action might be self-suppressed by the fear of not being associated with the majority group, the group in power.

    [/quote]

    ah yes…we don’t have nearly enough de toqueville references on UW…

    only thing, he didn’t say that in 1775…he wasn’t born until 1805

    he didn’t write his epic tomes Democracy In America until the mid 1830′s and they were actually anachronistic right after being published

    his tyranny of the majority (see the first link) was the major gist, but far from his only points…he was more remarking, at the time, of the ‘american democracy’ experiment gone awry — because, as he was writing, in his eyes, america had ‘gone away’ from it’s “democratic” roots, and had actually elected 4 of 5 presidents who were virginia aristocrats, each one serving for 8 year terms, with, by monroe’s time, only token opposition

    a tremendous book to be sure, but in 1825 (last year of monroe’s presidency), america had ‘kind of’ become less of a democracy and more of a one party rule — and the tyranny of the majority (whereby a mere 50.1% of a ‘democracy’ could completely quash the wishes of the other 49.9%) was a real fear[/quote]

    Hey, I’m sitting here pulling stuff of my memories of 7th Grade American History class, and how it was presented to us at the time. LOL

    I knew it wasn’t his major point, just said he’d brought it up…but I remember it because it seemed like valid observation.

    Especially when later I felt all the pressure to get married and have 2.2 children.

    (shoulda googled him to double check things, I suppose. Especially cuz when I read my own post I thought, “Gee, 1775 seems awfully early”).

    I apologize.

    —Ricko

  • Jet | December 30, 2009 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment="369279"]I saw this last night in the Classic Auction: A color photo of former Bruin’s captain Fern Flaman wearing yellow pants. When did the Bruins wear YELLOW pants? Have a look: http://pics.classica...

    Wow, that’s a new one on me!!!

  • leon | December 30, 2009 at 11:16 am |

    (although I like Ricko’s “majority coercion” and think it could be used as a great football photo caption)

    Fugg:
    that should read Rickos’
    and I’m quoting myself
    Krap

  • leon | December 30, 2009 at 11:18 am |

    disregard my last post completely please

  • Teebz | December 30, 2009 at 11:23 am |

    [quote comment="369298"][quote comment="369279"]I saw this last night in the Classic Auction: A color photo of former Bruin’s captain Fern Flaman wearing yellow pants. When did the Bruins wear YELLOW pants? Have a look: http://pics.classica...

    Wow, that’s a new one on me!!![/quote]

    In 1958-59, the Bruins wore yellow pants with their yellow jerseys.

  • Chad | December 30, 2009 at 11:26 am |

    adidas meets star wars http://www.fastcompa...

  • LI Phil | December 30, 2009 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment="369302"]adidas meets star wars http://www.fastcompa...

    nice find…i hadn’t seen the “full size” versions of those since powers posted on them…just those “here’s a 1/3 view” stuff

    i wonder if JTH is still gonna get a pair of skywalkers

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment="369301"][quote comment="369298"][quote comment="369279"]I saw this last night in the Classic Auction: A color photo of former Bruin’s captain Fern Flaman wearing yellow pants. When did the Bruins wear YELLOW pants? Have a look: http://pics.classica...

    Wow, that’s a new one on me!!![/quote]

    In 1958-59, the Bruins wore yellow pants with their yellow jerseys.[/quote]

    Haven’t worn black socks very often since then, either, have they?

    —Ricko

  • Hott Rodd | December 30, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    Just wanna say, I was checking uniwatch on my phone(droid) and the design and layout is suh-wheat. Easily one of the best layouts for mobile i’ve been to so far. Great job!

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 11:43 am |

    [quote comment="369303"][quote comment="369302"]adidas meets star wars http://www.fastcompa...

    nice find…i hadn’t seen the “full size” versions of those since powers posted on them…just those “here’s a 1/3 view” stuff

    i wonder if JTH is still gonna get a pair of skywalkers[/quote]

    I think way-back-when someone tried Davy Crockett Coonskin Galoshes.

    But they got kinda heavy and stinky when wet.

    (Noooo….just pointing out that some pairings are kinda dumb…if you’re older than 6, that is).

    —Ricko

  • JTH | December 30, 2009 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment="369303"][quote comment="369302"]adidas meets star wars http://www.fastcompa...

    nice find…i hadn’t seen the “full size” versions of those since powers posted on them…just those “here’s a 1/3 view” stuff

    i wonder if JTH is still gonna get a pair of skywalkers[/quote]
    What the hell else would I wear on my feet when I’m all curled up in the Tauntaun sleeping bag?

  • JTH | December 30, 2009 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment="369305"]Just wanna say, I was checking uniwatch on my phone(droid) and the design and layout is suh-wheat. Easily one of the best layouts for mobile i’ve been to so far. Great job![/quote]
    Just wondering, can you quote comments with that? Or can you jump all the way to the bottom of the page easily?

    On Safari for iPhone/iPod Touch, it doesn’t appear that there’s an easy way to do either of those things.

  • Jesse | December 30, 2009 at 12:03 pm |

    [quote comment="369294"]I think there is plenty of “Look at Me” involved.

    But, also, for many players it’s a genuine belief that they feel better or look better if, given the latitude, they can wear certain elements of a uni the way they choose. And, from that mindset it IS about the team…because they honestly believe they’ll play better if they look and feel better. And that IS about the team.

    I’m kinda in Powers camp on this. In early ’60s I had a high school end coach who flat-out said, “I hate tape on football shoes.” Me, I loved white-tape spatting my cleats and wearing higher white socks. Liked the way it felt, liked how it looked, made me feel faster. It never occurred to me I’d get noticed, I just felt more like I was ready to play football that way. I know, sounds stupid, but so much of sport is the mindset.

    And I did it his way, of course. But I asked if if could use tape in practice just cuz it felt better…and he said that would be okay. Wish I could have done it games, though. And, of course, a couple years later everyone and their brother was doing it.

    There’s plenty of “performance-aspect” in sports, of wanting to be and look what you feel is your best. Of course you sublimate most of it for the team, and you should. But sometimes there’s that feeling of being told how to dress for a big date…and not being free to wear what you think makes you feel good and self-confident.

    Just sayin’…it isn’t as much about “attention-getting devices” as some make it out to be.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Amen, Ricko. I get tired of the whining about need for coerced conformity regarding uniforms. I very much hold to the “look good, play good” ideal. Yes, there will always be some self-promotion when you give an individual freedom over certain uni elements, but that’s a worthwhile trade-off in my view.

  • Thomas Clark | December 30, 2009 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment="369263"][quote comment="369261"][quote comment="369242"]I can’t find any pictures, but in addition to the green and orange tones “The U” had last night on their shoes, they also had matching colored plates on the bottom of their shoes.[/quote]

    You can see what he’s referring to here:
    http://farm5.static....

    But apparently it wasn’t universal:
    http://farm3.static....

    This struck me as kind of odd last night. The “U” is orange on the left & green on the right, but the stripes on the hamstrings were the opposite…It still looks cool but would be more uniform if it matched the color pattern of the logo. Now THAT is being picky! :)[/quote]

    The stripes were correct for the viewer. Wearing them on the right leg would mean the stripe would be on the left side for an observer when viewed from the front.

  • Hott Rodd | December 30, 2009 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment="369308"][quote comment="369305"]Just wanna say, I was checking uniwatch on my phone(droid) and the design and layout is suh-wheat. Easily one of the best layouts for mobile i’ve been to so far. Great job![/quote]
    Just wondering, can you quote comments with that? Or can you jump all the way to the bottom of the page easily?

    On Safari for iPhone/iPod Touch, it doesn’t appear that there’s an easy way to do either of those things.[/quote]

    That’s a negative in mobile view. If I switch to regular layout I can quote.

  • matt in cleveland | December 30, 2009 at 12:35 pm |

    once again another college team (i know these were alts but their regulars this year sucked as well)that should go back to older unis say the 80″s regular or the 2000 jerseys. so the list as i see it teams who switch back as follows:

    MAIMI just because the new unis suck random swatches of color are lame
    UCLA to late 90′s old school numbers
    NORTHWESTERN go back to either the rose bowl unis or the ones from the 2000 season
    VIRGINIA TECH back to the plain old style vick years or the marcus vick unis anything is better then the new ones

    those are a few off the top of my head any others?

  • Squiddie | December 30, 2009 at 12:39 pm |

    [quote comment="369307"]
    What the hell else would I wear on my feet when I’m all curled up in the Tauntaun sleeping bag?[/quote]

    Tauntaun sleeping bag

    Don’t even get me started on the Mark Ecko Star Wars stuff.

  • Johnny Bacardi | December 30, 2009 at 12:42 pm |

    Ian Anderson’s sister? Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull fame?

  • The Jeff | December 30, 2009 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment="369313"][quote comment="369307"]
    What the hell else would I wear on my feet when I’m all curled up in the Tauntaun sleeping bag?[/quote]

    Tauntaun sleeping bag

    Don’t even get me started on the Mark Ecko Star Wars stuff.[/quote]

    I wish they’d made those 20 years ago.

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 12:53 pm |

    [quote comment="369313"][quote comment="369307"]
    What the hell else would I wear on my feet when I’m all curled up in the Tauntaun sleeping bag?[/quote]

    Tauntaun sleeping bag

    Don’t even get me started on the Mark Ecko Star Wars stuff.[/quote]

    Squiddie! Where you been? Been emailing you.
    You going to join us for some of the Deep Freeze events?

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 12:54 pm |

    [quote comment="369315"][quote comment="369313"][quote comment="369307"]
    What the hell else would I wear on my feet when I’m all curled up in the Tauntaun sleeping bag?[/quote]

    Tauntaun sleeping bag

    Don’t even get me started on the Mark Ecko Star Wars stuff.[/quote]

    I wish they’d made those 20 years ago.[/quote]

    Do you have to slice that open with your light saber, or does it have a zipper like a typical sleeping bag?

    —Ricko

  • JTH | December 30, 2009 at 12:59 pm |

    [quote comment="369317"]Do you have to slice that open with your light saber, or does it have a zipper like a typical sleeping bag?[/quote]
    Yes.

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 1:03 pm |

    [quote comment="369318"][quote comment="369317"]Do you have to slice that open with your light saber, or does it have a zipper like a typical sleeping bag?[/quote]
    Yes.[/quote]

    Oh, good. I was afraid that had to be purchased separately.

  • Squiddie | December 30, 2009 at 1:20 pm |

    These are kinda cool:

    Champions – Park Drive Cigarette card set from the 30s

    Found on Accidental Mysteries. I wonder how difficult it was to find the Miss Joyce Cooper card. These days she’d be the ultra rare chase card.

  • Paul Lukas | December 30, 2009 at 1:30 pm |

    Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • JimV19 | December 30, 2009 at 1:31 pm |

    Ricko said:
    “As someone who grew up in the ’50s when we kids all were simply expected to grow up, go to college, get married no later than 23 or 24, buy a house, have 2.2 children and own a station wagon, I can say that, from our point of view, anyway…he wasn’t wrong.
    That’s one of the many many reasons why the whole “hippie” movement was so disconcerting to so many on such a core level. “What, you don’t want to be like we want you to be??? How DARE you!”"

    Geeman said:
    “I sure don’t want to live in Pleasantville, but sometimes we take things to the extreme the other way. To each his own, but sometimes it’s good to remember that there is something bigger than yourself.”

    I can see both sides of this. On the one side, I subscribe to the “feel good, play good” mentality. When I see some MLB teams wearing turtlenecks on cold days my first thought is, “If I were playing for them they could cut me before I’d wear that under my jersey.” I’d be too distracted having something touching my neck to play effectively.

    On the other hand, I’m all about conformity – not one to stand out in a crowd and all that. http://farm3.static.... If I had to choose between the 50s and the 60s I’d take the 50s. The hippie thing was just too much too quickly.

    I’d actually prefer the mid-to-late 70s mindset. Some guys, like Billy White Shoes Johnson and LC Greenwood, stood out, but it seemed more of a fun thing than a “look at me” thing. At least that’s how I saw it as a kid.

  • joe | December 30, 2009 at 1:31 pm |

    The Blackhawks used to sell game worn jerseys at Hawk Quarters on Michigan Ave, but a few years ago they all got pulled and the people at the store said it was because the NHL was taking over all game worn jersey sales and doing it through the NHL.com portal.

  • Andy11 | December 30, 2009 at 2:05 pm |

    [quote comment="369321"]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    On #4 from the ESPN Column…
    Honorable mention should also be given to Devin Hester!
    http://oliverwillis....

  • Jeremy Brahm | December 30, 2009 at 2:09 pm |

    Can you imagine Yoda saying about his new shoes. Dunk on me you not?

  • Tom | December 30, 2009 at 2:10 pm |

    http://pics.classica...

    Hmm in this photo it looks like Flaman is wearing black socks with the gold breezers. They don’t look like the socks from that year on nhluniforms.com. According to the same site, the Bruins had never worn black socks until they introduced their current alternates last year. Any thoughts on that?

  • LI Phil | December 30, 2009 at 2:11 pm |

    [quote comment="369328"]http://pics.classicauctions.net/classicauctions/auctions/54/275/source_275_42966.jpg

    Hmm in this photo it looks like Flaman is wearing black socks with the gold breezers. They don’t look like the socks from that year on nhluniforms.com. According to the same site, the Bruins had never worn black socks until they introduced their current alternates last year. Any thoughts on that?[/quote]

    nhluniforms.com is wrong?

  • -Vince | December 30, 2009 at 2:15 pm |

    [quote comment="369321"]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    I like that someone from all my favorite teams is on this list. Theodore (currently on the Caps), The Redskins (I’ll never forgive the look at me BS that portis and taylor used to pull), and The Nationals. At least the Caps as a team manage to get it (TM).

    On a somewhat related note, I never noticed that portis was wearing black shoes when he pulled the single candy cane leg stunt. This was before the ‘Skins officially F*ed up their (I mean switched to black) footwear

  • Tom | December 30, 2009 at 2:16 pm |

    [quote comment="369329"][quote comment="369328"]http://pics.classicauctions.net/classicauctions/auctions/54/275/source_275_42966.jpg

    Hmm in this photo it looks like Flaman is wearing black socks with the gold breezers. They don’t look like the socks from that year on nhluniforms.com. According to the same site, the Bruins had never worn black socks until they introduced their current alternates last year. Any thoughts on that?[/quote]

    nhluniforms.com is wrong?[/quote]

    Possibly. It is a promotional photo as opposed to an on-ice photo.

  • pflava | December 30, 2009 at 2:21 pm |

    [quote comment="369269"]Take a look at this youtube clip from 1979. Two things…30 years, yet visually, the game seems so much the same. I don\\\’t think you could say that about any of the other sports. And, for my eye, as uniforms go, except for the Giants, all the teams look better than they do today.

    http://www.youtube.c...

    The highlights that begin at 3:24 are absolutely sublime.

  • mmwatkin | December 30, 2009 at 2:26 pm |

    I have to give credit to Jesco for being a well behaved cat! I kept thinking what my cats would do if they came into contact with one of Robert Marshall’s bobbleheads.

  • LarryB | December 30, 2009 at 2:28 pm |

    [quote comment="369273"]Rumors abound here in Cincinnati that UC will be wearing white helmets for the sugar bowl…Spent 2 minutes on the evening news (story # 2!)debating why white helmets were in equipment bags and left out for practice.[/quote]

    Interesting.

  • Jet | December 30, 2009 at 2:41 pm |

    Nice jobs on the bobbleheads, Robert Marshall.

    However, I usually find the background music people put to their Youtube videos to be lame.

    May I suggest a more appropriate tune? Judas Priest – “Some Heads are Gonna Roll”…

  • JTH | December 30, 2009 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment="369321"]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...
    Oh, crap! If I had remembered before just now, I’d have sent a nomination in for this list. I’ve been sitting on this one since August (during the Uni Watch hiatus).

    Derrek Lee had a bit of a problem with his helmet logo so the TV crew decided to have a bit of fun with it during his next at-bat.

  • Paul Lukas | December 30, 2009 at 3:05 pm |

    [quote comment="369326"][quote comment="369321"]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    On #4 from the ESPN Column…
    Honorable mention should also be given to Devin Hester!
    http://oliverwillis....

    Shit, I forgot about that one!

  • Martin | December 30, 2009 at 3:12 pm |

    [quote comment="369321"]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    The link to the photo of the Westbook wedgie doesn’t work – it goes to the Baltimore Sun site for pics of the day

  • Teebz | December 30, 2009 at 3:15 pm |

    Of all the regrettable uni moments, there was nothing about Rbk’s patented EDGE system that wicked water away into players’ skates and gloves in the NHL?

    And then was replaced by the air-knit fabric quietly to avoid the egg on the face? ;o)

  • MPowers1634 | December 30, 2009 at 3:24 pm |

    [quote comment="369317"][quote comment="369315"][quote comment="369313"][quote comment="369307"]
    What the hell else would I wear on my feet when I’m all curled up in the Tauntaun sleeping bag?[/quote]

    Tauntaun sleeping bag

    Don’t even get me started on the Mark Ecko Star Wars stuff.[/quote]

    I wish they’d made those 20 years ago.[/quote]

    Do you have to slice that open with your light saber, or does it have a zipper like a typical sleeping bag?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I thought they smelled bad on the OUTSIDE.

  • MPowers1634 | December 30, 2009 at 3:30 pm |

    [quote comment=\"369303\"][quote comment=\"369302\"]adidas meets star wars http://www.fastcompa...

    nice find…i hadn\’t seen the \”full size\” versions of those since powers posted on them…just those \”here\’s a 1/3 view\” stuff

    i wonder if JTH is still gonna get a pair of skywalkers[/quote]

    More…

    Death Star Pro Models:
    http://sneakernews.c...

    T.I.E. (Twin Ion Engine) Fighter Nizza:
    http://sneakernews.c...

  • Teebz | December 30, 2009 at 3:56 pm |

    I know Ricko and I beat this drum soundly while everyone poo-pooed the idea, but the Winter Classic is entirely a marketing experiment done right.

    How do I know? According to a report today in the New York Times, the WC “is expected to generate $8 million in ticket sales at Fenway Park and $3 million in ad revenue at NBC, triple the total of two years ago” in Buffalo. But it’s not doing well on New Year’s Day at all. Not even close.

    And just so the baseball purists out there have something to hate hockey for even more than they already do, Fenway now has the retired numbers of Bruins up beside the legends of Beantown.

  • LI Phil | December 30, 2009 at 4:06 pm |

    [quote comment="369347"] the WC “is expected to generate $8 million in ticket sales at Fenway Park[/quote]

    i read that article, and nowhere is that number explained…

    so i’ll ask: $8 million in ticket sales?

    how much are tickets gonna cost?

    im not real good with math, but if fenway seats about just shy of 40K, dividing $8M by 40K comes out to 200 bucks a seat

    can that be right?

    if so, good for the nhl, but that seems WAY high (even if that is an average)

  • Teebz | December 30, 2009 at 4:09 pm |

    [quote comment="369348"][quote comment="369347"] the WC “is expected to generate $8 million in ticket sales at Fenway Park[/quote]

    i read that article, and nowhere is that number explained…

    so i’ll ask: $8 million in ticket sales?

    how much are tickets gonna cost?

    im not real good with math, but if fenway seats about just shy of 40K, dividing $8M by 40K comes out to 200 bucks a seat

    can that be right?

    if so, good for the nhl, but that seems WAY high (even if that is an average)[/quote]

    The seats in Section 27 are $250 apiece, and this event is sold out. Your math is right, Phil. :o)

  • Bob Loblaw | December 30, 2009 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment="369257"]uniwatchers if you haven’t done so, pick up (or comission) a marshall bobble. you wont be sorry! easily one of the best things i bought in 09![/quote]

    What a great idea…. bat signal goes out for RPM.

  • JTH | December 30, 2009 at 4:26 pm |

    [quote comment="369349"][quote comment="369348"][quote comment="369347"] the WC “is expected to generate $8 million in ticket sales at Fenway Park[/quote]

    i read that article, and nowhere is that number explained…

    so i’ll ask: $8 million in ticket sales?

    how much are tickets gonna cost?

    im not real good with math, but if fenway seats about just shy of 40K, dividing $8M by 40K comes out to 200 bucks a seat

    can that be right?

    if so, good for the nhl, but that seems WAY high (even if that is an average)[/quote]

    The seats in Section 27 are $250 apiece, and this event is sold out. Your math is right, Phil. :o)[/quote]
    Last year, the “good” seats (I belive that was the entire upper deck) were $450. “OK” seats were $250. Bleachers and seats from dugout-to-dugout in the sections closest to the field were $75.

  • JTH | December 30, 2009 at 4:28 pm |

    Or maybe it was more like $425 for the upper deck. Whatever — it was still at least $400.

    What would I know,anyway? I had a $75 ticket.

  • Teebz | December 30, 2009 at 4:35 pm |

    [quote comment="369351"]
    Last year, the “good” seats (I belive that was the entire upper deck) were $450. “OK” seats were $250. Bleachers and seats from dugout-to-dugout in the sections closest to the field were $75.[/quote]

    Section 27 is a grandstand seat behind the visitors’ dugout. It would qualify as an “OK” seat. ;o)

  • mmwatkin | December 30, 2009 at 4:47 pm |

    $250 for a regular season hockey game with bad sightlines?

    Ha…okay.

  • LI Phil | December 30, 2009 at 4:48 pm |

    [quote comment="369351"][quote comment="369349"][quote comment="369348"][quote comment="369347"] the WC “is expected to generate $8 million in ticket sales at Fenway Park[/quote]

    i read that article, and nowhere is that number explained…

    so i’ll ask: $8 million in ticket sales?

    how much are tickets gonna cost?

    im not real good with math, but if fenway seats about just shy of 40K, dividing $8M by 40K comes out to 200 bucks a seat

    can that be right?

    if so, good for the nhl, but that seems WAY high (even if that is an average)[/quote]

    The seats in Section 27 are $250 apiece, and this event is sold out. Your math is right, Phil. :o)[/quote]
    Last year, the “good” seats (I belive that was the entire upper deck) were $450. “OK” seats were $250. Bleachers and seats from dugout-to-dugout in the sections closest to the field were $75.[/quote]

    yeah…i don’t doubt there are very expensive seats…but i didn’t realize there would be so many as to average the whole thing out to a little over 200 per

    i figured there’d be a LOT of $75 seats with shitty views…but maybe it’s the fact that with 300,000 who couldn’t get a seat, those who could are willing to fork over beaucoup bucks

    again, good for the NHL

    we’ll see about the nielsens tho

  • JTH | December 30, 2009 at 4:59 pm |

    Proving once again that my memory is shit, the upper deck tix were $325 last year and the dugout-to-dugout field level seats were “limited view youth hockey” freebies, as per this seating chart.

  • random reader | December 30, 2009 at 4:59 pm |

    Paul, I think another diatribe about the Mets’ 2010 “cream” pinstripe uniforms is needed after I finally saw them at a Modell’s store.

    They look HORRENDOUS. You could put all the negative adjectives together to form a super word and it still cannot convey accurately how ugly these uniforms look.

    Because they kept the dropshadow on the numbers and names, the uniforms seriously look like horribly-aged versions of their white pinstripes. A person walking into a store, not knowing about the new pinstripes for 2010, would think that the storeowner found a bunch of unsold merchandise from 2002.

    Just my opinion but these uniforms are not going to sell very well. If they kept the drop shadow off, they would look more like the uniforms the 1969 Mets wore AND it would look more obvious that they are actually *new* jerseys.

  • Teebz | December 30, 2009 at 5:02 pm |

    [quote comment="369355"]
    we’ll see about the nielsens tho[/quote]

    They have already made $3 million off NBC alone. That is more than they make off the rest of NBC’s hockey coverage in the regular season.

    The viewers may not tune in with the same force as last year, but the advertisers are.

  • rjcoy06 | December 30, 2009 at 5:10 pm |

    Meigray did strike a deal with the NHL in the 2002-03 season to be the offical marketer of game worn jerseys. There were a few excepts though as some teams did not want to participate. The Detroit Redwings, Chicago Blackhawks, and Carolina Hurricanes were a few of the hold outs. That original deal ended after the 05-06 season and then teams were free to market their gameworn jerseys however they wanted. That is why today, Meigray only works with 14 NHL teams. Just this season, the Islanders for example, decided to sell their gameworns themselves instead of through Meigray.

    As far as the Coyotes jerseys go, from the pictures shown, they do look like practice style jerseys. The NHL won’t allow teams to wear specialty jerseys during games. A few teams have worn them during warm-ups such as the camo jerseys that teams like Chicago, Anahiem, and others wore earlier this season. The article never mentioned if they would be worn at all, so these might just be a glorified authentic.

    A good resource for information on gameworn hockey jerseys is gameworn.net. As a long time gameworn jersey collector myself, there is no better site I have found.

  • mmwatkin | December 30, 2009 at 5:20 pm |

    Are we really about to get into the Winter Classic vs. College Football ratings argument again?

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 5:27 pm |

    [quote comment="369358"][quote comment="369355"]
    we’ll see about the nielsens tho[/quote]

    They have already made $3 million off NBC alone. That is more than they make off the rest of NBC’s hockey coverage in the regular season.

    The viewers may not tune in with the same force as last year, but the advertisers are.[/quote]

    Again, why are we assuming the viewers won’t tune in like they did last year? The thing is being hyped as something that could have sold 300,000 tickets. You don’t think a lot of people (actually, most of the viewers) won’t surf over just to see what all the fuss is about? And if the weather cooperates (a little snow) they won’t stick around just for the “spectacle” of it? That’s what NBC and the NHL are hyping, you know. For the audience they’re after, the one they don’t get simply by starting the telecast (such as Teebz and me, U.S. NHL fans and a good chunk of Canada) it’s about, “Oh, yeah, I should check out that outdoor hockey game.”

    That’s what so many of you miss. They are NOT selling a Flyers-Bruins game. They ARE selling the “Winter Classic”…that crazy New Year’s Day outdoor hockey game in a ballpark with all the crazy people sitting out there watching it.

    Shoot, a fair percentage of the viewers probably will be baseball fans just seeing what Fenway looks like with a hockey rink in the middle of it. And if it’s a good show (not necessarily a good game, just a good show), they’ll stick around for a while.

    Eyeballs on the screen. That’s what it’s all about.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | December 30, 2009 at 5:35 pm |

    I certainly hope this doesn’t happen at the Winter Classic (or anywhere else ever again):
    http://sports.espn.g...
    Put in a word to your higher power for this young man, please.

  • Chris | December 30, 2009 at 5:37 pm |

    A decade review of uniforms and nothing about Oregon??

  • LI Phil | December 30, 2009 at 5:51 pm |

    [quote comment="369361"]why are we assuming the viewers won’t tune in like they did last year? [/quote]

    why are we assuming they will?

    i don’t think anyone is assuming anything

    why don’t we wait until the game is played before anyone makes any further judgment calls

    i HOPE it’s a huge success, i really do…it was great fun the past two years, and i look forward to it again

    i just wouldn’t bet on it, but again, we’ll know after it’s been played

    and this (at least to me) was NEVER about comparing it to football ratings…i’ve only said lets see how it does compared to last year, that’s all

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 5:52 pm |

    [quote comment="369363"]A decade review of uniforms and nothing about Oregon??[/quote]

    Was about uni mishaps, wasn’t it?

    Of course, for some I suppose Oregon’s sartorial carnival this year was one big disaster.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | December 30, 2009 at 5:56 pm |

    The Smurf Turf Bowl is going on in Boise right now. Kinda nice to see two teams, neither of them wearing blue, on the blue field.

    In fact, take away Bowling Green’s brown armpits and this game looks good.

    Always wondered: why no green in Bowling Green? There’s a Green High School near Akron, and they wear orange and black. http://www.mghelmets...

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 6:17 pm |

    [quote comment="369366"]The Smurf Turf Bowl is going on in Boise right now. Kinda nice to see two teams, neither of them wearing blue, on the blue field.

    In fact, take away Bowling Green’s brown armpits and this game looks good.

    Always wondered: why no green in Bowling Green? There’s a Green High School near Akron, and they wear orange and black. http://www.mghelmets...

    Why is Pabst Blue Ribbon amber?

  • concealed78 | December 30, 2009 at 6:34 pm |

    [quote comment="369354"]$250 for a regular season hockey game with bad sightlines?

    Ha…okay.[/quote]

    It’s god damned ridiculous.

    Sincerely,
    Cheapskate-bastard concealed78

  • Kate | December 30, 2009 at 6:38 pm |

    So someone at Page 2 obviously fucked up. The link to the the story by Paul now leads to a fantasy recap with Paul’s byline. I’ve followed the direct link from here at Uni Watch and from the front of Page 2. Same incorrect story. I want to read the “Decade in Review.”

    HELP

  • leon | December 30, 2009 at 6:39 pm |

    [quote comment="369367"][quote comment="369366"]The Smurf Turf Bowl is going on in Boise right now. Kinda nice to see two teams, neither of them wearing blue, on the blue field.

    In fact, take away Bowling Green’s brown armpits and this game looks good.

    Always wondered: why no green in Bowling Green? There’s a Green High School near Akron, and they wear orange and black. http://www.mghelmets...

    Why is Pabst Blue Ribbon amber?[/quote]

    Why weren’t Marshall and Ohio in the Emerald Bowl?

    (and in the words of Ted Nugent, Why is a carrot more orange than an orange?)

    deep

  • concealed78 | December 30, 2009 at 6:42 pm |

    [quote comment="369363"]A decade review of uniforms and nothing about Oregon??[/quote]

    Sounds like sweet justice to me.

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 6:45 pm |

    [quote comment="369368"][quote comment="369354"]$250 for a regular season hockey game with bad sightlines?

    Ha…okay.[/quote]

    It’s god damned ridiculous.

    Sincerely,
    Cheapskate-bastard concealed78[/quote]

    It’s not just a regular season hockey game. It’s an event, the Winter Classic. Reality Check: NBC’s regular daytime programming might get as good or better ratings than a normal NHL game indoors in that time slot.

    Back to prices. If they were too high, no one would have bought them. It’s what the market will bear, and obviously the market is willing to pay that much.

    We can argue that’s it’s nonsense, but the fact is that all the empirical data indicates people are willing to pay extraordinary prices for an opportunity they believe is extraordinary.

    Tickets would have been pretty cheap to watch Evil Knievel jump a bucket of ditch water on a Huffy.

    —Ricko

  • Alec | December 30, 2009 at 6:52 pm |

    Went to the Winter Classic last year and while in theory it’s a great idea, in practice it leaves much to be desired unless you’re watching on TV.

    1: Sightlines are horrible. We had tix above the 3rd base dugout, could barely watch the game. It was like watching another pond hockey game across the way rather than the one in front of you. I’m sure up high it was like watching your neighbor play NHL 94 thru his window.

    2: Baseball parks aren’t built for hockey. (I know that’s a duh, but it’s the service side of things.) Last year after the 1st there was a mad rush to the toilets, wound up missing the entire 2nd period. Football fields are built for the rush; baseball, notsomuch.

  • concealed78 | December 30, 2009 at 7:05 pm |

    [quote comment="369373"]Went to the Winter Classic last year and while in theory it’s a great idea, in practice it leaves much to be desired unless you’re watching on TV.

    1: Sightlines are horrible. We had tix above the 3rd base dugout, could barely watch the game. It was like watching another pond hockey game across the way rather than the one in front of you. I’m sure up high it was like watching your neighbor play NHL 94 thru his window.

    2: Baseball parks aren’t built for hockey. (I know that’s a duh, but it’s the service side of things.) Last year after the 1st there was a mad rush to the toilets, wound up missing the entire 2nd period. Football fields are built for the rush; baseball, notsomuch.[/quote]

    I loved watching it on TV inside the warm house while eating Arby’s Pepper Jack Junior Roast Beef sandwiches until I ran out of food & the Red Wings were winning. I can only imagine how horrible the sightlines were. I’m safe to assume it was a poor value for the dollar for such a cold, miserable experience. Go Hawks!

    Sincerely,
    Cheapskate-bastard concealed78

  • concealed78 | December 30, 2009 at 7:08 pm |

    [quote comment="369372"]

    It’s not just a regular season hockey game. It’s an event, the Winter Classic. Reality Check: NBC’s regular daytime programming might get as good or better ratings than a normal NHL game indoors in that time slot.

    Back to prices. If they were too high, no one would have bought them. It’s what the market will bear, and obviously the market is willing to pay that much.

    We can argue that’s it’s nonsense, but the fact is that all the empirical data indicates people are willing to pay extraordinary prices for an opportunity they believe is extraordinary.

    Tickets would have been pretty cheap to watch Evil Knievel jump a bucket of ditch water on a Huffy.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Nobody ever said money made people smart. I find it ridiculous on how some people spend outrageous amounts of money on things.

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 7:15 pm |

    “…unless you’re watching on TV.”

    And that’s what the WC is designed for.

    At any point has anyone ever said that attending is a way to get a great view of a hockey game?

    No. It’s about the experience of being there. Those who attend expecting a fine view of things either haven’t bothered to look at how the rink is set up, or have a serious misconception of the WC’s reason to exist.

    (Not meaning you, Alec. I’ll wager you were savvy enough to know what to expect—as were most who attended—and maybe were a little disappointed to find out you were right. It’s like when the T-Wolves played in the Metrodome that initial season. I sat in the right field upper deck when the Lakers first came to town and discovered that Magic Johnson was 1/8″ tall…but I wasn’t surprised by it, either. Although I did wish I’d brought my binoculars).

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | December 30, 2009 at 7:24 pm |

    [quote comment="369364"]
    and this (at least to me) was NEVER about comparing it to football ratings…i’ve only said lets see how it does compared to last year, that’s all[/quote]

    And I’m saying that it’s already done better without putting one rear end into a cold, frozen plastic seat.

    The ratings drive advertising dollars for NBC. It won’t hurt them this year. It will hurt them next year if there is a sharp decline.

  • Teebz | December 30, 2009 at 7:26 pm |

    [quote comment="369375"]
    Nobody ever said money made people smart. I find it ridiculous on how some people spend outrageous amounts of money on things.[/quote]

    Dan Snyder and the Redskins, for example?

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 7:33 pm |

    Say what you will about lesser bowls and less-than-tropical sites, but Bowling Green-Idaho has been pretty damn entertaining. And it isn’t over yet.

    Besides, when was the last time Idaho was on national TV? That alone makes it a little interesting.

    —Ricko

  • Alec | December 30, 2009 at 7:35 pm |

    [quote comment="369377"]
    The ratings drive advertising dollars for NBC. It won’t hurt them this year. It will hurt them next year if there is a sharp decline.[/quote]

    Two good hockey & TV markets, even if the Flyers are sucking mighty hard this year. They’re pulling ratings that go well beyond the hockey fan, however.

    I knew from the layout that it wasn’t gonna be much about hockey, but I had one helluva day except for the hockey. It’s off the bucket list now unless the Rangers do it one of these years.

    I guess I don’t get why they won’t plane the mound down so the rink can run from home plate to 2nd. That way you’re giving everybody mostly corner views(which for me are the best in hockey) They got 4 months to get the mound back to the right height, how hard is that?

  • leon | December 30, 2009 at 7:44 pm |

    [quote comment="369378"][quote comment="369375"]
    Nobody ever said money made people smart. I find it ridiculous on how some people spend outrageous amounts of money on things.[/quote]

    Dan Snyder and the Redskins, for example?[/quote]

    I guess that makes the people who purchase tickets to Redskin games downright stupid.
    H.L. Mencken and P.T. Barnum got it right.

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 7:47 pm |

    [quote comment="369380"][quote comment="369377"]
    The ratings drive advertising dollars for NBC. It won’t hurt them this year. It will hurt them next year if there is a sharp decline.[/quote]

    Two good hockey & TV markets, even if the Flyers are sucking mighty hard this year. They’re pulling ratings that go well beyond the hockey fan, however.

    I knew from the layout that it wasn’t gonna be much about hockey, but I had one helluva day except for the hockey. It’s off the bucket list now unless the Rangers do it one of these years.

    I guess I don’t get why they won’t plane the mound down so the rink can run from home plate to 2nd. That way you’re giving everybody mostly corner views(which for me are the best in hockey) They got 4 months to get the mound back to the right height, how hard is that?[/quote]

    Probably because they’d rather give up some seats being better than have too many be really, really bad.

    A question, Alec. Are Hawks tickets still tough to get? Because I can imagine that were a game held in Minnesota, many would see it as a chance to finally get their mitts on Wild tickets, warts and all. And, what the hell, also would be enjoying the group lunacy of watching them play outdoors.

    —Ricko

  • Thomas Clark | December 30, 2009 at 8:05 pm |

    Best Bowl Game Ever.

  • JR Boucicaut | December 30, 2009 at 8:08 pm |

    [quote comment="369264"][quote comment="369248"]I believe what the Coyotes piece is trying to say is that minor league teams have the option of wearing special jerseys whereas NHL teams are limited to their home/away/third.[/quote]

    The NHL has an agreement with MeiGray. They don’t sell game-worn items unless it goes through MeiGray’s auction site to ensure authenticity.[/quote]

    Teebz – no, they don’t. It is on a team-by-team basis.

    I work for the Lightning and part of my job is to authenticate and resell our gameworns. If we want to sell to MeiGray, we can, but we choose not to (there are other teams in the league who don’t either.)

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 8:11 pm |

    [quote comment="369383"]Best Bowl Game Ever.[/quote]

    Yup. Doesn’t have to be two super colossal mega programs BCS teams to make for great entertainment, does it.

    Cuz what what MOST of the bowl games are about, anyway.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 8:14 pm |

    [quote comment="369385"][quote comment="369383"]Best Bowl Game Ever.[/quote]

    Yup. Doesn’t have to be two super colossal mega programs BCS teams to make for great entertainment, does it.

    Cuz what what MOST of the bowl games are about, anyway.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Idaho grad Mark Schlereth either just whacked someone on the back so hard, or hugged them so hard, that an ambulance has been called.

  • Ricko | December 30, 2009 at 8:16 pm |

    Arizona in white helmets.

    Do teams even THINK about what the other team is wearing?

    —Ricko

  • Thomas Clark | December 30, 2009 at 8:21 pm |

    [quote comment="369385"][quote comment="369383"]Best Bowl Game Ever.[/quote]

    Yup. Doesn’t have to be two super colossal mega programs BCS teams to make for great entertainment, does it.

    Cuz what what MOST of the bowl games are about, anyway.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I just love sports. Hell I watch the Tuesday/Wednesday Sun Belt games most of the time.
    They need to start televising Jai Alai.

  • leon | December 30, 2009 at 8:32 pm |

    [quote comment="369386"][quote comment="369385"][quote comment="369383"]Best Bowl Game Ever.[/quote]

    Yup. Doesn’t have to be two super colossal mega programs BCS teams to make for great entertainment, does it.

    Cuz what what MOST of the bowl games are about, anyway.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Idaho grad Mark Schlereth either just whacked someone on the back so hard, or hugged them so hard, that an ambulance has been called.[/quote]

    Tom Cable also: oops, that was earlier this year.

  • Jeff P | December 30, 2009 at 8:37 pm |

    [quote comment="369384"][quote comment="369264"][quote comment="369248"]I believe what the Coyotes piece is trying to say is that minor league teams have the option of wearing special jerseys whereas NHL teams are limited to their home/away/third.[/quote]

    The NHL has an agreement with MeiGray. They don’t sell game-worn items unless it goes through MeiGray’s auction site to ensure authenticity.[/quote]

    Teebz – no, they don’t. It is on a team-by-team basis.

    I work for the Lightning and part of my job is to authenticate and resell our gameworns. If we want to sell to MeiGray, we can, but we choose not to (there are other teams in the league who don’t either.)[/quote]

    Actually, random question about those: Do have any of the old old thunderstorm thirds lying around anywhere? Or is what’s on the spreadsheet all you have?

  • JR Boucicaut | December 30, 2009 at 8:47 pm |

    LOL…no.

  • Alec | December 30, 2009 at 8:57 pm |

    [quote comment="369382"]

    Probably because they’d rather give up some seats being better than have too many be really, really bad.

    A question, Alec. Are Hawks tickets still tough to get? Because I can imagine that were a game held in Minnesota, many would see it as a chance to finally get their mitts on Wild tickets, warts and all. And, what the hell, also would be enjoying the group lunacy of watching them play outdoors.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Every seat was really really bad except for the kind of fan that likes watching game film of football games.

    About getting Hawks tix, I can’t really say. Got mine thru a 20 years season ticket holder who played @ St. Cloud St. I’m a former Ranger season ticket holder who was in town visiting.

  • aflfan | December 30, 2009 at 9:21 pm |

    [quote comment="369385"][quote comment="369383"]Best Bowl Game Ever.[/quote]

    Yup. Doesn’t have to be two super colossal mega programs BCS teams to make for great entertainment, does it.

    Cuz what what MOST of the bowl games are about, anyway.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Agreed what an exciting game, congrats to Idaho who I have only seen once on TV, other than this game, that I can remember.

    The bowl committees have done a great job this year with the matchups. There have been very few blow outs so far.

  • LI Phil | December 30, 2009 at 9:21 pm |

    [quote comment="369381"]
    H.L. Mencken and P.T. Barnum got it right.[/quote]

    a de toqueville mention and now this

    don’t know whether to say “awesome” or “WTF”…

    only on uni watch

  • LI Phil | December 30, 2009 at 9:25 pm |

    [quote comment="369377"][quote comment="369364"]
    and this (at least to me) was NEVER about comparing it to football ratings…i’ve only said lets see how it does compared to last year, that’s all[/quote]

    And I’m saying that it’s already done better without putting one rear end into a cold, frozen plastic seat.

    The ratings drive advertising dollars for NBC. It won’t hurt them this year. It will hurt them next year if there is a sharp decline.[/quote]

    and im saying you’re already proclaiming this some sort of victory before a puck has even been dropped, based on some solid, but relatively meaningless figures…

    if this game slips in the ratings, and slips badly, there may not another five winter classics…hell, if the ratings are bad enough, there may not be more than one

    just because the game is sold out, if this is a bomb and people don’t watch, the advertisers will pull out faster than peter north on a bad day

  • Taxman | December 30, 2009 at 9:31 pm |

    [quote comment="369388"][quote comment="369385"][quote comment="369383"]Best Bowl Game Ever.[/quote]

    Yup. Doesn’t have to be two super colossal mega programs BCS teams to make for great entertainment, does it.

    Cuz what what MOST of the bowl games are about, anyway.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I just love sports. Hell I watch the Tuesday/Wednesday Sun Belt games most of the time.
    They need to start televising Jai Alai.[/quote]

    I love this sentiment. Love to watch sports – in spite of all the things Paul wrote in his ESPN column a couple weeks back, and all the cliches from the announcers, and all the look at me stuff. It’s still awesome to flip on the TV and watch an athletc contest in living color with good, bad or boring uniforms.

    Happy New Year!

  • Thomas Clark | December 30, 2009 at 9:37 pm |

    [quote comment="369393"][quote comment="369385"][quote comment="369383"]Best Bowl Game Ever.[/quote]

    Yup. Doesn’t have to be two super colossal mega programs BCS teams to make for great entertainment, does it.

    Cuz what what MOST of the bowl games are about, anyway.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Agreed what an exciting game, congrats to Idaho who I have only seen once on TV, other than this game, that I can remember.

    The bowl committees have done a great job this year with the matchups. There have been very few blow outs so far.[/quote]

    I started my love affair with the Vandals roughly 9 years ago, playing NCAA Football for the playstaion. How can you not love the Kibbie Dome! The walls were 3 feet behind the goal posts…I played a non-conference game there every year. Plus they’re called the “Vandals” how can you not love that, it’s ballsy.

  • JimV19 | December 30, 2009 at 9:46 pm |

    [quote comment="369370"][quote comment="369367"][quote comment="369366"]The Smurf Turf Bowl is going on in Boise right now. Kinda nice to see two teams, neither of them wearing blue, on the blue field.

    In fact, take away Bowling Green’s brown armpits and this game looks good.

    Always wondered: why no green in Bowling Green? There’s a Green High School near Akron, and they wear orange and black. http://www.mghelmets...

    Why is Pabst Blue Ribbon amber?[/quote]

    Why weren’t Marshall and Ohio in the Emerald Bowl?

    (and in the words of Ted Nugent, Why is a carrot more orange than an orange?)

    deep[/quote]

    My mind has just been blown.

    I’m not one of those who insists all teams have colors to match the mascots, just curious. Same reason I wonder why the Maine Black Bears are blue. If they were just the Maine Bears I wouldn’t think twice.

  • Teebz | December 30, 2009 at 9:53 pm |

    [quote comment="369384"][quote comment="369264"][quote comment="369248"]I believe what the Coyotes piece is trying to say is that minor league teams have the option of wearing special jerseys whereas NHL teams are limited to their home/away/third.[/quote]

    The NHL has an agreement with MeiGray. They don’t sell game-worn items unless it goes through MeiGray’s auction site to ensure authenticity.[/quote]

    Teebz – no, they don’t. It is on a team-by-team basis.

    I work for the Lightning and part of my job is to authenticate and resell our gameworns. If we want to sell to MeiGray, we can, but we choose not to (there are other teams in the league who don’t either.)[/quote]

    I know, JR. I was simply giving an overview.

    But a better question is this: why have you been holding out on me, and how can I get my hands on one?!? ;o)

  • aflfan | December 30, 2009 at 10:13 pm |

    [quote comment="369397"][quote comment="369393"][quote comment="369385"][quote comment="369383"]Best Bowl Game Ever.[/quote]

    Yup. Doesn’t have to be two super colossal mega programs BCS teams to make for great entertainment, does it.

    Cuz what what MOST of the bowl games are about, anyway.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Agreed what an exciting game, congrats to Idaho who I have only seen once on TV, other than this game, that I can remember.

    The bowl committees have done a great job this year with the matchups. There have been very few blow outs so far.[/quote]

    I started my love affair with the Vandals roughly 9 years ago, playing NCAA Football for the playstaion. How can you not love the Kibbie Dome! The walls were 3 feet behind the goal posts…I played a non-conference game there every year. Plus they’re called the “Vandals” how can you not love that, it’s ballsy.[/quote]

    Agreed, that is how I found out the Vandals as well was on NCAA football on Playstation. I love the Kibbie Dome as well. I also like the UNIdome. When I was working at SVSU with the women’s softball team we played a three day softball tournament in the UNIdome.

  • Paul Lukas | December 30, 2009 at 10:21 pm |

    [quote comment="369344"]Of all the regrettable uni moments, there was nothing about Rbk’s patented EDGE system that wicked water away into players’ skates and gloves in the NHL?

    And then was replaced by the air-knit fabric quietly to avoid the egg on the face? ;o)[/quote]

    The column wasn’t about “regrettable” moments. If it had been, I would’ve included things like the Pirates’ red vest, Oregon’s diamondplate, etc. It was about *unusual* moments, things we don’t normally see.

    Granted, the Rangers’ two-tone batting helmet sort of straddles the line between unusual and regrettable. But it was a unique look, plus it was essentially vetoed by negative reaction, so that’s why I included it.

    Lots of gray areas here, clearly….

  • JimV19 | December 30, 2009 at 10:29 pm |

    This isn’t your father’s white Arizona helmet:
    http://espn-i.starwa...

    When I first heard about it, I figured they were throwing back, but it’s the same uni with a stormtrooper-ish helmet.

    Guess I should say “clonetrooper-ish” if I want to be consistent: http://www.uniwatchb...

  • Johnny O | December 30, 2009 at 10:30 pm |
  • LI Phil | December 30, 2009 at 10:36 pm |

    [quote comment="369403"]Happy birthday Lebron:

    http://espn.go.com/n...

    http://espn.go.com/n...

    hey that reminds me

    isn’t today eldrick woods’ b-day?

    how do you think he’s celebrating this year?

  • JimV19 | December 30, 2009 at 10:37 pm |

    [quote comment="369400"][quote comment="369397"][quote comment="369393"][quote comment="369385"][quote comment="369383"]Best Bowl Game Ever.[/quote]

    Yup. Doesn’t have to be two super colossal mega programs BCS teams to make for great entertainment, does it.

    Cuz what what MOST of the bowl games are about, anyway.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Agreed what an exciting game, congrats to Idaho who I have only seen once on TV, other than this game, that I can remember.

    The bowl committees have done a great job this year with the matchups. There have been very few blow outs so far.[/quote]

    I started my love affair with the Vandals roughly 9 years ago, playing NCAA Football for the playstaion. How can you not love the Kibbie Dome! The walls were 3 feet behind the goal posts…I played a non-conference game there every year. Plus they’re called the “Vandals” how can you not love that, it’s ballsy.[/quote]

    Agreed, that is how I found out the Vandals as well was on NCAA football on Playstation.

    I love the Kibbie Dome as well. I also like the UNIdome. When I was working at SVSU with the women’s softball team we played a three day softball tournament in the UNIdome.[/quote]

    Add me to the list of Kibbie-philes (also discovered it on Playstation).

    Normally I like outdoor football, but for small schools who need a new stadium and arena, you could do worse than the Kibbie Dome. Akron needed both, and got a stadium. Not sure when they’ll get an arena now.

  • Bob Loblaw | December 30, 2009 at 11:49 pm |

    [quote comment="369404"][quote comment="369403"]Happy birthday Lebron:

    http://espn.go.com/n...

    http://espn.go.com/n...

    hey that reminds me

    isn’t today eldrick woods’ b-day?

    how do you think he’s celebrating this year?[/quote]

    he might be…. Elin?? notsomuch.

  • Bob Loblaw | December 30, 2009 at 11:52 pm |

    [quote comment="369405"][quote comment="369400"][quote comment="369397"][quote comment="369393"][quote comment="369385"][quote comment="369383"]Best Bowl Game Ever.[/quote]

    Yup. Doesn’t have to be two super colossal mega programs BCS teams to make for great entertainment, does it.

    Cuz what what MOST of the bowl games are about, anyway.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Agreed what an exciting game, congrats to Idaho who I have only seen once on TV, other than this game, that I can remember.

    The bowl committees have done a great job this year with the matchups. There have been very few blow outs so far.[/quote]

    I started my love affair with the Vandals roughly 9 years ago, playing NCAA Football for the playstaion. How can you not love the Kibbie Dome! The walls were 3 feet behind the goal posts…I played a non-conference game there every year. Plus they’re called the “Vandals” how can you not love that, it’s ballsy.[/quote]

    Agreed, that is how I found out the Vandals as well was on NCAA football on Playstation.

    I love the Kibbie Dome as well. I also like the UNIdome. When I was working at SVSU with the women’s softball team we played a three day softball tournament in the UNIdome.[/quote]

    Add me to the list of Kibbie-philes (also discovered it on Playstation).

    Normally I like outdoor football, but for small schools who need a new stadium and arena, you could do worse than the Kibbie Dome. Akron needed both, and got a stadium. Not sure when they’ll get an arena now.[/quote]
    Great game tonight~ loved that last 2 minutes of the BGSU/Idaho defensive stalemate. Watching the Idaho sideline, specifically Acky’s reactions and celebration was a hoot. Well done, Vandals.

  • Thomas Clark | December 31, 2009 at 12:16 am |

    We were talking about bowls and the opportunity for small schools to get recruits and what not yesterday. I think Idaho would be a prime example for the bowl system. They seized the opportunity they had on ESPN. Their coach’s enthusiasm, joy for his players, and gutsy play calling likely landed him a couple of guys he wouldn’t have gotten without this game.

    I still think the best way is a playoff, but this would be one of those schools really helped by the bowl system this year.

  • Bob Loblaw | December 31, 2009 at 12:49 am |

    [quote comment="369408"]We were talking about bowls and the opportunity for small schools to get recruits and what not yesterday. I think Idaho would be a prime example for the bowl system. They seized the opportunity they had on ESPN. Their coach’s enthusiasm, joy for his players, and gutsy play calling likely landed him a couple of guys he wouldn’t have gotten without this game.

    I still think the best way is a playoff, but this would be one of those schools really helped by the bowl system this year.[/quote]

    I’m one of those completely ignorant to the Idaho set up, but one of the commentators mentioned this is the first winning season in a decade?

    That ‘s pretty incredible in this day of win or else. That’s great for Coach Ackey, like I mentioned above, he won me over tonight—there was plenty of love on that sideline. jejejej.

  • mookworth | December 31, 2009 at 2:37 am |

    Did anyone notice that Bowling Green had some inconsistent NOB fonts? Some were serif and some were sans-serif. In addition, it looked like different helmets were slightly different shades of orange.

  • Josh Petty | December 31, 2009 at 2:51 am |

    Link to Chicago Blackhawks game worns on the website of their team store (not the general NHL Shop Store): http://www.blackhawk...

  • JessinMKE | December 31, 2009 at 9:27 am |

    Late chiming in on this because it took my eyes a full day to recover.

    Can we please re-do the worst uniform ever poll? Miami’s uniforms in the Champs Bowl would be the clear winner…

    Yuck.

  • JTH | December 31, 2009 at 9:37 am |

    [quote comment="369421"]Late chiming in on this because it took my eyes a full day to recover.

    Can we please re-do the worst uniform ever poll? Miami’s uniforms in the Champs Bowl would be the clear winner…

    Yuck.[/quote]
    Nope. Both Phil and I kinda like those unis.

  • JR Boucicaut | December 31, 2009 at 1:07 pm |

    [quote comment="369399"][quote comment="369384"][quote comment="369264"][quote comment="369248"]I believe what the Coyotes piece is trying to say is that minor league teams have the option of wearing special jerseys whereas NHL teams are limited to their home/away/third.[/quote]

    The NHL has an agreement with MeiGray. They don’t sell game-worn items unless it goes through MeiGray’s auction site to ensure authenticity.[/quote]

    Teebz – no, they don’t. It is on a team-by-team basis.

    I work for the Lightning and part of my job is to authenticate and resell our gameworns. If we want to sell to MeiGray, we can, but we choose not to (there are other teams in the league who don’t either.)[/quote]

    I know, JR. I was simply giving an overview.

    But a better question is this: why have you been holding out on me, and how can I get my hands on one?!? ;o)[/quote]

    Shoot me an email to jboucicaut@tampabaylightning.com and when I collect our first set this year I’ll send you the spreadsheet. Didn’t know you were interested.