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A Good Design — Literally

1stHartfordWhalersLogo.jpg

Does the logo shown above look familiar? No? What about now?

The first design is actually an early version of the mark that eventually became the Hartford Whalers logo. In fact, the triple-pointed design was presented to the team and accepted, but the designer, Peter Good, thought he could improve upon it, so he went back to the drawing board. You can see the progression from that first mark to the final design in these sketches, and Good’s creative process is described in this text.

All of that comes from an early edition of this book, which the pseudonymous Hungry Hungry Hipster was kind enough to scan for me, providing us with a rare look at the evolution of a great logo.

Research Project: I’m compiling a list of the most unusual uni-related moments of the past decade. This can include typos, players wearing the wrong uni, teams being forced to improvise when their uniforms are lost or stolen, torn uniforms, broken equipment, etc. — anything out of the ordinary. I already have a pretty good list, but I’d welcome your nominations (esp. from earlier in the decade), so feel free to chime in. Thanks.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Arizona’s white helmet is apparently more than a rumor (with thanks to Kenny Abbey). … Here’s a classic — Casey and the Lip lighting up. That’s from a small assortment of baseball-themed tobacco ads that Bruce Menard sent me. Bruce’s favorite is this one. “There’s so many things wrong with that ad, but a kid in bell-hop uni extolling the virtues of ‘No cigarette hangover’ to the Yankee Clipper is just too funny (or sad, depending on your point of view).” … Worst soccer uniforms of the decade listed here (with thanks to Benjamin Graff). … Completely cringe-inducing yet oddly compelling video clip about Bill Belichick’s cut-off sweatshirt sleeves here (with thanks to Dave Montgomery). … A small item at the bottom of this page notes that Bowling Green will be wearing white over white in the Humanitarian Bowl (with thanks to Tom Konecny). … Whoa — the Swinging Friar lives! Pretty good likeness, eh? The logo version dates back at least to the 1950s, when the Padres were a minor league team, while the photo is from 1966, so this is a case of life imitating art, not the other way around (amazing find by Bryan Grupp). … RNOB in last night’s Poinsettia Bowl (thanks, Phil). … If you go to this page and scroll or drag the content so you can see the right-hand side of the page, you’ll find an article about the Phillies’ 1986 St. Paddy’s Day uniforms. It’s hard to be sure, but the article sort of implies that the green unis were a new thing for that year, which doesn’t jibe with what Morris Levin had always thought: “I thought the Phillies had first worn these in 1981. That’s how Mitchell & Ness dates theirs, although I’m not positive that was accurate. Tug McGraw is often anecdotally credited with introducing this to the Phillies when he dyed his uniform, but in this article they say Phillies owner Bill Giles had the idea.” Hmmmmm. … The Oral Roberts hoops team has added an “OR” memorial patch for the school’s founder (with thanks to Ryan Atkinson). … Five NBA games on tap for tomorrow. All teams will be wearing the snowflake patch, plus the Knicks and Heat will wear green and red, respectively. Not positive, but I think several teams may be wearing red/green sneakers too.

Holiday Schedule: The site will be open for chatter tomorrow, and Phil will have his usual multi-course feast on the weekend. Uni Xmas to all, and to all a striped stocking.

 

96 comments to A Good Design — Literally

  • Kek | December 24, 2009 at 7:46 am |

    From a sports fan’s perspective, Christmas hasn’t been the same since the Blue-Gray game hasn’t been around! I guess I’ll take the NFL game or force myself to watch the NBA!

  • aflfan | December 24, 2009 at 8:05 am |

    [quote comment=”368398″]From a sports fan’s perspective, Christmas hasn’t been the same since the Blue-Gray game hasn’t been around! I guess I’ll take the NFL game or force myself to watch the NBA![/quote]

    I miss the Blue/Gray game as well the pre-Christmas dinner tradation in my house was to pick out as many different hemlets as possible and try to figure out what school they were. This was not as easy in the Pre-ESPN days as you would only have a couple of games on TV on Saturday so you would not see all the helmets during the year. Great Memories.

    Also. Merry Christmas to Paul, LI Phil and the rest of the Uni-Watch family.

  • Eric S | December 24, 2009 at 8:05 am |

    I can’t see why on earth Arizona would choose to switch to white helmet in a game against a team that also wears white helmets (Nebraska). I’ve never been a QB, but isn’t easier to see your receivers if they have different color helmets that the defenders?

  • Frank | December 24, 2009 at 8:06 am |

    I love the ad with Joltin’ Joe extolling the virtues of Philip Morris cigarettes to a young bellhop. The kid didn’t even ask; Joe D. brought it up first!
    The only thing that could top that would be an ad with Mickey Mantle telling the paperboy why he drinks Johnnie Walker Scotch…

  • not Osama | December 24, 2009 at 8:27 am |

    M&N is often sloppy in their throwback representations as far as accuracy and attention to details. I don not know if this is the case for the Phillies jerseys but numerous football jerseys have been butchered and the ‘research team’ doesn’t seem to care

  • Joe Barrie | December 24, 2009 at 8:38 am |

    [quote comment=”368401″]I love the ad with Joltin’ Joe extolling the virtues of Philip Morris cigarettes to a young bellhop. The kid didn’t even ask; Joe D. brought it up first!
    The only thing that could top that would be an ad with Mickey Mantle telling the paperboy why he drinks Johnnie Walker Scotch…[/quote]

    The “young bellhop” was Johnny, the midget (as they used to say) national pitchman (as they used to say) for Philip Morris. He was a celebrity in his own right; a much bigger deal than today’s mascots.

    I thought he was a kid until I saw him in person in 1956, at Grand Central Terminal in NYC, where I worked.

  • Tom V | December 24, 2009 at 8:47 am |

    [quote comment=”368403″]The “young bellhop” was Johnny, the midget (as they used to say) national pitchman (as they used to say) for Philip Morris. He was a celebrity in his own right; a much bigger deal than today’s mascots.

    I thought he was a kid until I saw him in person in 1956, at Grand Central Terminal in NYC, where I worked.[/quote]

    More recently I guess one might remember this fella as the midget from Jack Rabbit Slims in Pulp Fiction…Call for Phillip Morris…

  • aflfan | December 24, 2009 at 8:52 am |

    Here is a photo gallery of the top 10 goalie masks of the decade.

    http://sportsillustr...

  • Matt | December 24, 2009 at 9:02 am |

    I like how the neg. space “H” is a lot more pronounced in original Whalers logo. I grew up watching minor league hockey in Binghamton and that logo turned sideways, and this one doesn’t make a reasonable “B” like the final one did.
    I didn’t see in the article where the first design tried to include the trident that was used in the WHA Whalers logo.
    I started teaching graphic design this year, and I really try to impress on my students that their first idea for a design is rarely (if ever) the best design. Thanks for this article!

  • Jet | December 24, 2009 at 9:04 am |

    The swinging friar…. I’m speechless.

  • The Jeff | December 24, 2009 at 9:14 am |

    Just a retroactive thought here…

    Why didn’t they flip the colors? The negative space H is cool and everything, but if it represents a whale diving back into the water… shouldn’t the bottom of the logo have been blue?

  • Patrick in MI | December 24, 2009 at 9:15 am |

    In a moment of clarity when I first woke up this morning I thought…”Wouldn’t it be cool if Navy’s football team was the Seals?” Get it? Navy SEALs? OK, maybe I should go back to bed then.

    Were the Reds the first team to go green for St. Patrick’s Day?

  • Paul Lukas | December 24, 2009 at 9:17 am |

    [quote comment=”368409″]Were the Reds the first team to go green for St. Patrick’s Day?[/quote]

    Yes.

  • Frank | December 24, 2009 at 9:21 am |

    [quote comment=”368403″][quote comment=”368401″]I love the ad with Joltin’ Joe extolling the virtues of Philip Morris cigarettes to a young bellhop. The kid didn’t even ask; Joe D. brought it up first!
    The only thing that could top that would be an ad with Mickey Mantle telling the paperboy why he drinks Johnnie Walker Scotch…[/quote]

    The “young bellhop” was Johnny, the midget (as they used to say) national pitchman (as they used to say) for Philip Morris. He was a celebrity in his own right; a much bigger deal than today’s mascots.

    I thought he was a kid until I saw him in person in 1956, at Grand Central Terminal in NYC, where I worked.[/quote]

    Johnny may have been a midget, but they way they drew him in that ad, he looks more like a young boy than a grownup midget. They may as well have drawn freckles on him while they were at it :-)

  • JonDeau | December 24, 2009 at 9:25 am |

    It was not a trident in the original whalers logo it was a harpoon.

    I like how the neg. space “H” is a lot more pronounced in original Whalers logo. I grew up watching minor league hockey in Binghamton and that logo turned sideways, and this one doesn’t make a reasonable “B” like the final one did.
    I didn’t see in the article where the first design tried to include the trident that was used in the WHA Whalers logo.
    I started teaching graphic design this year, and I really try to impress on my students that their first idea for a design is rarely (if ever) the best design. Thanks for this article!

  • Geeman | December 24, 2009 at 9:28 am |

    [quote comment=”368409″]In a moment of clarity when I first woke up this morning I thought…”Wouldn’t it be cool if Navy’s football team was the Seals?” Get it? Navy SEALs? OK, maybe I should go back to bed then.

    Were the Reds the first team to go green for St. Patrick’s Day?[/quote]

    No, it wouldn’t be cool. You’d be leaving out all the other communities of the Naval Service (air, surface, submarines, Marines), of which the SEALS are an important but small part.

  • The Jeff | December 24, 2009 at 9:43 am |

    [quote comment=”368413″][quote comment=”368409″]In a moment of clarity when I first woke up this morning I thought…”Wouldn’t it be cool if Navy’s football team was the Seals?” Get it? Navy SEALs? OK, maybe I should go back to bed then.

    Were the Reds the first team to go green for St. Patrick’s Day?[/quote]

    No, it wouldn’t be cool. You’d be leaving out all the other communities of the Naval Service (air, surface, submarines, Marines), of which the SEALS are an important but small part.[/quote]

    I don’t see why the completely unnecessary military sports teams should have to be named to represent anything other than themselves, but calling them the Seals would just be cheesy.

    …and really, as if “Black Knights” and “Falcons” fully represent all of the various segments of the Army and Air Force. Yeah…

  • Geeman | December 24, 2009 at 9:51 am |

    [quote comment=”368414″][quote comment=”368413″][quote comment=”368409″]In a moment of clarity when I first woke up this morning I thought…”Wouldn’t it be cool if Navy’s football team was the Seals?” Get it? Navy SEALs? OK, maybe I should go back to bed then.

    Were the Reds the first team to go green for St. Patrick’s Day?[/quote]

    No, it wouldn’t be cool. You’d be leaving out all the other communities of the Naval Service (air, surface, submarines, Marines), of which the SEALS are an important but small part.[/quote]

    I don’t see why the completely unnecessary military sports teams should have to be named to represent anything other than themselves, but calling them the Seals would just be cheesy.

    …and really, as if “Black Knights” and “Falcons” fully represent all of the various segments of the Army and Air Force. Yeah…[/quote]

    They may not, but Midshipmen represents the Naval Academy — and every officer-candidate in college for the Naval Service.

  • aflfan | December 24, 2009 at 9:51 am |

    [quote comment=”368412″]It was not a trident in the original whalers logo it was a harpoon.

    I like how the neg. space “H” is a lot more pronounced in original Whalers logo. I grew up watching minor league hockey in Binghamton and that logo turned sideways, and this one doesn’t make a reasonable “B” like the final one did.
    I didn’t see in the article where the first design tried to include the trident that was used in the WHA Whalers logo.
    I started teaching graphic design this year, and I really try to impress on my students that their first idea for a design is rarely (if ever) the best design. Thanks for this article![/quote]

    Here is the original New England Whalers Logo from the WHA

    http://www.whalersna...

  • Momofuku | December 24, 2009 at 9:52 am |

    [quote comment=”368407″]The swinging friar…. I’m speechless.[/quote]

    I, too, am also speechless. It appears that the Friar has pulled his left shoulder away from the swing zone, causing a decrease in circular hand path, and therefore a subsequent reduction in torque. For a batter to attain his maximum potential, his mechanics must make efficient use of both – circular hand path and torque. Great hitters generate great bat speed because their swing mechanics efficiently apply torque at the handle that compliments the their circular hand path.

    Merry Christmas!

    Ant-spam word was “toast” yummy!!!!

  • aflfan | December 24, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    [quote comment=”368416″][quote comment=”368412″]It was not a trident in the original whalers logo it was a harpoon.

    I like how the neg. space “H” is a lot more pronounced in original Whalers logo. I grew up watching minor league hockey in Binghamton and that logo turned sideways, and this one doesn’t make a reasonable “B” like the final one did.
    I didn’t see in the article where the first design tried to include the trident that was used in the WHA Whalers logo.
    I started teaching graphic design this year, and I really try to impress on my students that their first idea for a design is rarely (if ever) the best design. Thanks for this article![/quote]

    Here is the original New England Whalers Logo from the WHA

    http://www.whalersna...

    Here is the road jersey from those days

    http://www.whalerman...

    and the home jersey

    http://www.whahockey...

  • Tim | December 24, 2009 at 10:06 am |

    picture of big ben wearing a practice jersey homage to his qb coach

    http://www.post-gaze...

  • Ricko | December 24, 2009 at 10:12 am |

    [quote comment=”368415″][quote comment=”368414″][quote comment=”368413″][quote comment=”368409″]In a moment of clarity when I first woke up this morning I thought…”Wouldn’t it be cool if Navy’s football team was the Seals?” Get it? Navy SEALs? OK, maybe I should go back to bed then.

    Were the Reds the first team to go green for St. Patrick’s Day?[/quote]

    No, it wouldn’t be cool. You’d be leaving out all the other communities of the Naval Service (air, surface, submarines, Marines), of which the SEALS are an important but small part.[/quote]

    I don’t see why the completely unnecessary military sports teams should have to be named to represent anything other than themselves, but calling them the Seals would just be cheesy.

    …and really, as if “Black Knights” and “Falcons” fully represent all of the various segments of the Army and Air Force. Yeah…[/quote]

    They may not, but Midshipmen represents the Naval Academy — and every officer-candidate in college for the Naval Service.[/quote]

    Likewise for Army, whose teams officially are the “Cadets”. Black Knights predates any particular military unit. It is a secondary nickname derived from a sportswriter long ago calling the football team “the Black Knights of the Hudson” (yet another jersey-color-inspired moniker).

    Every student at Army or Navy is a cadet or a midshipman, respectively, and, as correctly mentioned, those are the football teams for the academies, NOT that entire branch of the service.

    “Falcons” is not exactly of that ilk, but…
    a) “Cadets” was taken,
    b) that academy is far never and therefore was nicknamed in a different era,
    c) it at least references what that particular academy is it all about…flight.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | December 24, 2009 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment=”368408″]Just a retroactive thought here…

    Why didn’t they flip the colors? The negative space H is cool and everything, but if it represents a whale diving back into the water… shouldn’t the bottom of the logo have been blue?[/quote]

    Gonna go out on a limb here and say that, given the two colors he was working with, and trying to give them somewhhat equal billing, he likely figured better a blue whale than a green one. ;)

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | December 24, 2009 at 10:25 am |

    If you like the swinging friar, you’ll love this…
    http://www.youtube.c...

    —Ricko

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 24, 2009 at 10:35 am |

    [quote comment=”368418″][quote comment=”368416″][quote comment=”368412″]It was not a trident in the original whalers logo it was a harpoon.

    I like how the neg. space “H” is a lot more pronounced in original Whalers logo. I grew up watching minor league hockey in Binghamton and that logo turned sideways, and this one doesn’t make a reasonable “B” like the final one did.
    I didn’t see in the article where the first design tried to include the trident that was used in the WHA Whalers logo.
    I started teaching graphic design this year, and I really try to impress on my students that their first idea for a design is rarely (if ever) the best design. Thanks for this article![/quote]

    Here is the original New England Whalers Logo from the WHA

    http://www.whalersna...

    Here is the road jersey from those days

    http://www.whalerman...

    and the home jersey

    http://www.whahockey...
    Note the correct use of white jerseys at home. :::bangs head on desk:::

  • Josh Jedwab | December 24, 2009 at 10:36 am |

    IMHO, the Hartford Whalers logo is not only the best logo in sports, it’s the best logo of all time. (By the way, am I the only one who sees how the “H” is formed by shapes that resemble two hockey-stick blades?)

    Long ago I read a book on logo design, (really), and the one thing I’ll always remember the author saying is that a logo isn’t really great unless it can work as well in black and white as it does in color. The Whalers logo meets that criterion as well.

    I’ve always loved how just 2 graphic elements conveyed whale, Whalers, Hartford and hockey, (the 2 stick-blades that I see in the “H”).

    For me, the only other logo that comes close to the Whalers logo is the logo of SUN Microsystems, a good example of which can be seen here:

    http://www.agentgrou...

    In case anyone cares my favorite 5 all-time sports logos would be:

    1. Hartford Whalers

    (for reasons discussed above)

    2. Atlanta Hawks

    This version: http://www.steadybur...

    It took me 2 years to realize that it wasn’t a mutated Pacman, but when I finally saw what it was it was a great “AHA” moment.

    3. Minnesota Wild

    I love how the moon, river, star and tree-line elements fit into the animal’s head without feeling forced in there.

    4. New Jersey Devils

    Integrating the tail and horns into the “J” is simple and elegant, like the Whalers… just not as clever.

    5. Macon Whoopee

    The fig-leaf version: http://media.photobu...

    On first glance, it looks like a harmless adapatation of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Then, on further review, its subtle genius is revealed.

    Now, these aren’t iconic, time-tested classics like the Packers, Steelers, Canadiens, etc. These are my favorites for reasons having nothing to do with their team’s history.

    In any event, given the readership of this blog, I’d be interested in the faves of others.

  • Steve Naismith | December 24, 2009 at 10:37 am |

    “Does the logo shown above look familiar?”

    If anyone answered “no,” they’re in the wrong place.

  • Thomas Clark | December 24, 2009 at 10:37 am |

    Hey Jeff

    Tackla may have (and probably did at NHL teams behest) changed their NHL pant products in the last few years but that wasn’t always the case as seen in this photo of Igor Larionov from the early 2000’s.

    http://i.a.cnn.net/s...

  • The Jeff | December 24, 2009 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment=”368424″]

    5. Macon Whoopee

    The fig-leaf version: http://media.photobu...

    On first glance, it looks like a harmless adapatation of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Then, on further review, its subtle genius is revealed.
    [/quote]

    Ok, I’ll bite. Exactly what subtle genius am I supposed to be seeing? I see nothing but words on a leaf.

  • Ricko | December 24, 2009 at 10:45 am |

    A good logo not only should work in black and white, it also should work large or small.

    —Ricko

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 24, 2009 at 10:48 am |

    [quote comment=”368424″]IMHO, the Hartford Whalers logo is not only the best logo in sports, it’s the best logo of all time. (By the way, am I the only one who sees how the “H” is formed by shapes that resemble two hockey-stick blades?)

    Long ago I read a book on logo design, (really), and the one thing I’ll always remember the author saying is that a logo isn’t really great unless it can work as well in black and white as it does in color. The Whalers logo meets that criterion as well.

    I’ve always loved how just 2 graphic elements conveyed whale, Whalers, Hartford and hockey, (the 2 stick-blades that I see in the “H”).

    For me, the only other logo that comes close to the Whalers logo is the logo of SUN Microsystems, a good example of which can be seen here:

    http://www.agentgrou...

    In case anyone cares my favorite 5 all-time sports logos would be:

    1. Hartford Whalers

    (for reasons discussed above)

    2. Atlanta Hawks

    This version: http://www.steadybur...

    It took me 2 years to realize that it wasn’t a mutated Pacman, but when I finally saw what it was it was a great “AHA” moment.

    3. Minnesota Wild

    I love how the moon, river, star and tree-line elements fit into the animal’s head without feeling forced in there.

    4. New Jersey Devils

    Integrating the tail and horns into the “J” is simple and elegant, like the Whalers… just not as clever.

    5. Macon Whoopee

    The fig-leaf version: http://media.photobu...

    On first glance, it looks like a harmless adapatation of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Then, on further review, its subtle genius is revealed.

    Now, these aren’t iconic, time-tested classics like the Packers, Steelers, Canadiens, etc. These are my favorites for reasons having nothing to do with their team’s history.

    In any event, given the readership of this blog, I’d be interested in the faves of others.[/quote]
    1 Yankees
    2 Canadiens
    3 Colts
    4 Blackhawks
    5 Whalers

  • Ricko | December 24, 2009 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”368427″][quote comment=”368424″]

    5. Macon Whoopee

    The fig-leaf version: http://media.photobu...

    On first glance, it looks like a harmless adapatation of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Then, on further review, its subtle genius is revealed.
    [/quote]

    Ok, I’ll bite. Exactly what subtle genius am I supposed to be seeing? I see nothing but words on a leaf.[/quote]

    What do the “M” and the “W” appear to be doing?
    And what’s the full name of the team?
    Are you starting to see the pattern now? ;)

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | December 24, 2009 at 10:54 am |

    And on a fig leaf, yet. LOL

    Old, old joke. What did Adam say upon seeing Eve for the first time?
    “Whoa, you’d better stand back, lady, I’m not sure how big this thing’s gonna get.”

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | December 24, 2009 at 11:06 am |

    WFL produced a couple good ones.
    A bit static perhaps, but interesting.
    Sun…
    http://www.angelfire...
    and Storm…
    http://www.angelfire...

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | December 24, 2009 at 11:09 am |
  • Frank | December 24, 2009 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”368429″][quote comment=”368424″]IMHO, the Hartford Whalers logo is not only the best logo in sports, it’s the best logo of all time. (By the way, am I the only one who sees how the “H” is formed by shapes that resemble two hockey-stick blades?)

    Long ago I read a book on logo design, (really), and the one thing I’ll always remember the author saying is that a logo isn’t really great unless it can work as well in black and white as it does in color. The Whalers logo meets that criterion as well.

    I’ve always loved how just 2 graphic elements conveyed whale, Whalers, Hartford and hockey, (the 2 stick-blades that I see in the “H”).

    For me, the only other logo that comes close to the Whalers logo is the logo of SUN Microsystems, a good example of which can be seen here:

    http://www.agentgrou...

    In case anyone cares my favorite 5 all-time sports logos would be:

    1. Hartford Whalers

    (for reasons discussed above)

    2. Atlanta Hawks

    This version: http://www.steadybur...

    It took me 2 years to realize that it wasn’t a mutated Pacman, but when I finally saw what it was it was a great “AHA” moment.

    3. Minnesota Wild

    I love how the moon, river, star and tree-line elements fit into the animal’s head without feeling forced in there.

    4. New Jersey Devils

    Integrating the tail and horns into the “J” is simple and elegant, like the Whalers… just not as clever.

    5. Macon Whoopee

    The fig-leaf version: http://media.photobu...

    On first glance, it looks like a harmless adapatation of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Then, on further review, its subtle genius is revealed.

    Now, these aren’t iconic, time-tested classics like the Packers, Steelers, Canadiens, etc. These are my favorites for reasons having nothing to do with their team’s history.

    In any event, given the readership of this blog, I’d be interested in the faves of others.[/quote]
    1 Yankees
    2 Canadiens
    3 Colts
    4 Blackhawks
    5 Whalers[/quote]

    Here’s a question I’ve pondered from time to time – does the historic success of the team have anything to do with how the team’s logo and/or uniform is received? For example, would the Yankee’s interlocking NY logo be considered an ‘iconic’ logo if they had stunk it up for a century, instead of winning 27 World Series? Would uni fans revere the Canadien’s sweater if they hadn’t won any Stanley Cups? Ditto for the Colts, Packers, etc?

  • aflfan | December 24, 2009 at 11:19 am |

    [quote comment=”368427″][quote comment=”368424″]

    5. Macon Whoopee

    The fig-leaf version: http://media.photobu...

    On first glance, it looks like a harmless adapatation of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Then, on further review, its subtle genius is revealed.
    [/quote]

    Ok, I’ll bite. Exactly what subtle genius am I supposed to be seeing? I see nothing but words on a leaf.[/quote]

    Making Whoopee! See the newlywed game.

  • Ricko | December 24, 2009 at 11:19 am |

    Kenny Jacobson said…

    “Here’s a question I’ve pondered from time to time – does the historic success of the team have anything to do with how the team’s logo and/or uniform is received? For example, would the Yankee’s interlocking NY logo be considered an ‘iconic’ logo if they had stunk it up for a century, instead of winning 27 World Series? Would uni fans revere the Canadien’s sweater if they hadn’t won any Stanley Cups? Ditto for the Colts, Packers, etc?”

    I’d say almost certainly so.
    Also why they don’t change them–or their unis–just for the hell of it.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | December 24, 2009 at 11:24 am |

    [quote comment=”368436″]Kenny Jacobson said…

    “Here’s a question I’ve pondered from time to time – does the historic success of the team have anything to do with how the team’s logo and/or uniform is received? For example, would the Yankee’s interlocking NY logo be considered an ‘iconic’ logo if they had stunk it up for a century, instead of winning 27 World Series? Would uni fans revere the Canadien’s sweater if they hadn’t won any Stanley Cups? Ditto for the Colts, Packers, etc?”

    I’d say almost certainly so.
    Also why they don’t change them–or their unis–just for the hell of it.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oops, Frank said that.

  • KT | December 24, 2009 at 11:31 am |

    Don’t forget the Houston Gamblers logo. I’ve always thought that was a brilliant one.

    http://myfinecollect...

    And I had never, until today, noticed the H in the Whalers’ logo.

    Happy Christmas, y’all.

  • JTH | December 24, 2009 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”368436″]Kenny Jacobson said…

    “Here’s a question I’ve pondered from time to time – does the historic success of the team have anything to do with how the team’s logo and/or uniform is received? For example, would the Yankee’s interlocking NY logo be considered an ‘iconic’ logo if they had stunk it up for a century, instead of winning 27 World Series? Would uni fans revere the Canadien’s sweater if they hadn’t won any Stanley Cups? Ditto for the Colts, Packers, etc?”

    I’d say almost certainly so.
    Also why they don’t change them–or their unis–just for the hell of it.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    But not always. How many Stanley Cups did the Hartford Whalers win? It’s the same number that the Blackhawks have won while wearing their current logo.

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 24, 2009 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”368439″][quote comment=”368436″]Kenny Jacobson said…

    “Here’s a question I’ve pondered from time to time – does the historic success of the team have anything to do with how the team’s logo and/or uniform is received? For example, would the Yankee’s interlocking NY logo be considered an ‘iconic’ logo if they had stunk it up for a century, instead of winning 27 World Series? Would uni fans revere the Canadien’s sweater if they hadn’t won any Stanley Cups? Ditto for the Colts, Packers, etc?”

    I’d say almost certainly so.
    Also why they don’t change them–or their unis–just for the hell of it.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    But not always. How many Stanley Cups did the Hartford Whalers win? It’s the same number that the Blackhawks have won while wearing their current logo.[/quote]
    Well there are certainly logos out there with no winning tradition that are significant graphic achievements (Whalers, etc). I think it’s tough to separate the history from the graphics in some cases too. Yanks, Habs, etc.

  • Ricko | December 24, 2009 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”368439″][quote comment=”368436″]Kenny Jacobson said…

    “Here’s a question I’ve pondered from time to time – does the historic success of the team have anything to do with how the team’s logo and/or uniform is received? For example, would the Yankee’s interlocking NY logo be considered an ‘iconic’ logo if they had stunk it up for a century, instead of winning 27 World Series? Would uni fans revere the Canadien’s sweater if they hadn’t won any Stanley Cups? Ditto for the Colts, Packers, etc?”

    I’d say almost certainly so.
    Also why they don’t change them–or their unis–just for the hell of it.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    But not always. How many Stanley Cups did the Hartford Whalers win? It’s the same number that the Blackhawks have won while wearing their current logo.[/quote]

    Didn’t say was always, said was the case with the teams of the specific caliber mentioned.

    Sometimes a great logo or great uni gets love just for being great in and of itself.

    —Ricko

  • Traxel | December 24, 2009 at 11:38 am |

    While it was rather apparent the Whalers logo was the subject I also immediately thought of this…

    http://www.chriscrea...

  • Traxel | December 24, 2009 at 11:41 am |

    actually, closer to this…
    http://www.chriscrea...

    and why does it look like it was cut out by a kindergartner?

  • Ricko | December 24, 2009 at 11:47 am |

    [quote comment=”368443″]actually, closer to this…
    http://www.chriscrea...

    and why does it look like it was cut out by a kindergartner?[/quote]

    Appear to be someone’s re-creations, not original material.

  • Ricko | December 24, 2009 at 11:48 am |

    Often overlooked, really great old-school logo…

    Detroit Red Wings

  • KT | December 24, 2009 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=”368439″] How many Stanley Cups did the Hartford Whalers win? It’s the same number that the Blackhawks have won while wearing their current logo.[/quote]

    To be fair, the Whalers won one more AVCO World Trophy than the Blackhawks did. :)

    Also, a UA alumnae pointed me toward this, which I know some of you will enjoy (http://azwildcatequi...) as UA gets ready to either wear or not wear white helmets in the Holiday Bowl. this post in particular talks about sewing the bowl patches on the jerseys.

  • C.N. | December 24, 2009 at 11:58 am |

    [quote comment=”368420″][quote comment=”368415″][quote comment=”368414″][quote comment=”368413″][quote comment=”368409″]In a moment of clarity when I first woke up this morning I thought…”Wouldn’t it be cool if Navy’s football team was the Seals?” Get it? Navy SEALs? OK, maybe I should go back to bed then.

    Were the Reds the first team to go green for St. Patrick’s Day?[/quote]

    No, it wouldn’t be cool. You’d be leaving out all the other communities of the Naval Service (air, surface, submarines, Marines), of which the SEALS are an important but small part.[/quote]

    I don’t see why the completely unnecessary military sports teams should have to be named to represent anything other than themselves, but calling them the Seals would just be cheesy.

    …and really, as if “Black Knights” and “Falcons” fully represent all of the various segments of the Army and Air Force. Yeah…[/quote]

    They may not, but Midshipmen represents the Naval Academy — and every officer-candidate in college for the Naval Service.[/quote]

    [bold]Likewise for Army, whose teams officially are the “Cadets”.[/bold] Black Knights predates any particular military unit. It is a secondary nickname derived from a sportswriter long ago calling the football team “the Black Knights of the Hudson” (yet another jersey-color-inspired moniker).

    Every student at Army or Navy is a cadet or a midshipman, respectively, and, as correctly mentioned, those are the football teams for the academies, NOT that entire branch of the service.

    “Falcons” is not exactly of that ilk, but…
    a) “Cadets” was taken,
    b) that academy is far never and therefore was nicknamed in a different era,
    c) it at least references what that particular academy is it all about…flight.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Are you sure? I’m fairly certain Army did actually change its nickname to Black Knights back when it first joined Conference USA a few years ago as part of a “rebranding,” or something along those lines, as it were. Also led to an updated logo.

  • adam | December 24, 2009 at 12:02 pm |

    as a teen the whalers logo was a toss-up favorite with the beautiful simplicity of the international harvester logo

    http://www.tractorsh...

  • Shaggy | December 24, 2009 at 12:11 pm |

    This was one of the best postings in a long time. God Bless the Whalers story, the Belichick Video and the Swinging’ Friar Photo. I may be Jewish, but this was a great Christmas gift!

  • Jet | December 24, 2009 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”368418″]
    Here is the Whalers road jersey from those days

    http://www.whalerman...

    and the home jersey

    http://www.whahockey...

    What was great about those original Whalers jerseys was the “negative” shoulder bar intruding down into the different colored sleeves, an integral part of the Redwings’ white jersey for decades. I absolutely love this effect.

  • Jet | December 24, 2009 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”368443″]actually, closer to this…
    http://www.chriscrea...

    and why does it look like it was cut out by a kindergartner?[/quote]

    Some of the logos on that site look to be poorly-scanned without cleaning up vector points, hence that rough look. No knock on the site though, it’s a great resource and I’ve made a donation to it…

  • JTH | December 24, 2009 at 12:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”368446″][quote comment=”368439″] How many Stanley Cups did the Hartford Whalers win? It’s the same number that the Blackhawks have won while wearing their current logo.[/quote]

    To be fair, the Whalers won one more AVCO World Trophy than the Blackhawks did. :)
    [/quote]
    Sure, but that was won by the New England Whalers.

  • interlockingtc | December 24, 2009 at 12:38 pm |

    I think Mr. Good’s first version of the Whalers logo, depicted at the top of the page, is the most striking and strongest of them all.

  • Ricko | December 24, 2009 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”368447″][quote comment=”368420″][quote comment=”368415″][quote comment=”368414″][quote comment=”368413″][quote comment=”368409″]In a moment of clarity when I first woke up this morning I thought…”Wouldn’t it be cool if Navy’s football team was the Seals?” Get it? Navy SEALs? OK, maybe I should go back to bed then.

    Were the Reds the first team to go green for St. Patrick’s Day?[/quote]

    No, it wouldn’t be cool. You’d be leaving out all the other communities of the Naval Service (air, surface, submarines, Marines), of which the SEALS are an important but small part.[/quote]

    I don’t see why the completely unnecessary military sports teams should have to be named to represent anything other than themselves, but calling them the Seals would just be cheesy.

    …and really, as if “Black Knights” and “Falcons” fully represent all of the various segments of the Army and Air Force. Yeah…[/quote]

    They may not, but Midshipmen represents the Naval Academy — and every officer-candidate in college for the Naval Service.[/quote]

    [bold]Likewise for Army, whose teams officially are the “Cadets”.[/bold] Black Knights predates any particular military unit. It is a secondary nickname derived from a sportswriter long ago calling the football team “the Black Knights of the Hudson” (yet another jersey-color-inspired moniker).

    Every student at Army or Navy is a cadet or a midshipman, respectively, and, as correctly mentioned, those are the football teams for the academies, NOT that entire branch of the service.

    “Falcons” is not exactly of that ilk, but…
    a) “Cadets” was taken,
    b) that academy is far never and therefore was nicknamed in a different era,
    c) it at least references what that particular academy is it all about…flight.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Are you sure? I’m fairly certain Army did actually change its nickname to Black Knights back when it first joined Conference USA a few years ago as part of a “rebranding,” or something along those lines, as it were. Also led to an updated logo.[/quote]

    Okay, didn’t know that.
    Must have been about the time they decided to pass out a black beret to anyyone who finishes basic training, instead of having to earn one by being a Ranger.

    Typcial dumbass “but the kids’ll dig it” move.

    Either way, it owes not to a specific military unit, but to a longstanding nickname spawned in the media, and that was my central point.
    “Black Knights was originally coined by a NY sportswriter in the late 1930s, however it took until 1999 to become the official nickname of the school.” (from some website about Army football trivia)

    —Ricko

  • Jim BC | December 24, 2009 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”368445″]Often overlooked, really great old-school logo…

    Detroit Red Wings[/quote]
    Totally agree Ricko – while not a fan of the team, I do have a Wings jersey that I proudly wear for my Wednesday night hockey games. A true classic.

  • TC Mark | December 24, 2009 at 12:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”368424″]IMHO, the Hartford Whalers logo is not only the best logo in sports, it’s the best logo of all time. (By the way, am I the only one who sees how the “H” is formed by shapes that resemble two hockey-stick blades?)

    Long ago I read a book on logo design, (really), and the one thing I’ll always remember the author saying is that a logo isn’t really great unless it can work as well in black and white as it does in color. The Whalers logo meets that criterion as well.

    I’ve always loved how just 2 graphic elements conveyed whale, Whalers, Hartford and hockey, (the 2 stick-blades that I see in the “H”).

    For me, the only other logo that comes close to the Whalers logo is the logo of SUN Microsystems, a good example of which can be seen here:

    http://www.agentgrou...

    In case anyone cares my favorite 5 all-time sports logos would be:

    1. Hartford Whalers

    (for reasons discussed above)

    2. Atlanta Hawks

    This version: http://www.steadybur...

    It took me 2 years to realize that it wasn’t a mutated Pacman, but when I finally saw what it was it was a great “AHA” moment.

    3. Minnesota Wild

    I love how the moon, river, star and tree-line elements fit into the animal’s head without feeling forced in there.

    4. New Jersey Devils

    Integrating the tail and horns into the “J” is simple and elegant, like the Whalers… just not as clever.

    5. Macon Whoopee

    The fig-leaf version: http://media.photobu...

    On first glance, it looks like a harmless adapatation of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Then, on further review, its subtle genius is revealed.

    Now, these aren’t iconic, time-tested classics like the Packers, Steelers, Canadiens, etc. These are my favorites for reasons having nothing to do with their team’s history.

    In any event, given the readership of this blog, I’d be interested in the faves of others.[/quote]

    Agree that the Whalers logo is at or near the top for best sports designs. Best logo design ever? It might be in a top 10 or so but there are some phenomenal logos out there globally IMHO. Take FedEx for example – brilliant inclusion of the arrow. Sums up the FedEx brand in an instant (for those that see it…), which the Whalers logo does to but FedEx has much broader reach. BTW – I thought the original Whalers logo was great too.

    Respectfully disagree on the Wild being a top 5er (and I live in MSP). I’ve always thought while “clever” it was very contrived. A good (no great) design should not appear contrived or forced but should almost appear effortless. I am a Wild fan too but the North Stars were always my team so “Wild fan” might be a bit strong (and I hate the name Wild).

    A happy and safe holiday to everyone in Univille.

  • John in Athens | December 24, 2009 at 12:57 pm |

    I just wanted to state for the record that I LOVE the BK King soccer jersey listed in the run down of “Worst Football Kits of the Decade.”

    It’s absolute absurdity and inventiveness are second to none in the realm of corporate sponsorship.

    Not to mention it’s subversive negating of the ridiculous post-goal celebration trend of pulling your shirt over your heard thus hiding not only the player’s face but the team logo as well.

    Well done, the King.

  • LI Phil | December 24, 2009 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”368449″]I may be Jewish, but this was a great Christmas gift![/quote]

    zoinks!

  • Ricko | December 24, 2009 at 12:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”368453″]I think Mr. Good’s first version of the Whalers logo, depicted at the top of the page, is the most striking and strongest of them all.[/quote]

    Except that it’s a trident of sorts, which has a far broader context (the sea, Neptune, etc.) to whaling than the tail of a whale.

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | December 24, 2009 at 1:17 pm |

    Hey, kids! Happy holidays to one and all during this festive season. If you want to read a hockey-themed ‘Twas the Night Before Christmas, I’ve posted why I love the Christmas season over on the blog.

    As the snow falls outside, please take care this holiday season, and don’t drink and drive. I want to see everyone back after they’ve opened their gifts and celebrated with their loved ones.

    From me to you, Merry Christmas, Uni Watchers!

  • Ricko | December 24, 2009 at 1:22 pm |

    And I’m outta here, too.

    Merry Christmas, Everyone.

    (I expect photos of new swag tomorrow, too)

    —Ricko

  • UmpLou | December 24, 2009 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”368401″]I love the ad with Joltin’ Joe extolling the virtues of Philip Morris cigarettes to a young bellhop. The kid didn’t even ask; Joe D. brought it up first!
    The only thing that could top that would be an ad with Mickey Mantle telling the paperboy why he drinks Johnnie Walker Scotch…[/quote]

    How about Desi(cancer victim) and Lucy(heart disease),pushing Phillip Morris/ complete with Johnny?

  • Johnny O | December 24, 2009 at 2:01 pm |

    Twas the night before Christmas, when all through Miller Park, not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.

    Miller Park on Christmas Eve:
    http://s147.photobuc...

    Happy Holidays!

  • LI Phil | December 24, 2009 at 2:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”368463″]Twas the night before Christmas, when all through Miller Park, not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.

    Miller Park on Christmas Eve:
    http://s147.photobuc...

    Happy Holidays![/quote]

    that might make a good GTGFTS

  • Pedro | December 24, 2009 at 2:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”368463″]Twas the night before Christmas, when all through Miller Park, not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.

    Miller Park on Christmas Eve:
    http://s147.photobuc...

    Happy Holidays![/quote]

    Hope this isn’t a stupid question but whats going on with the field? Is the grass/dirt covered in plastic? If it is, why?

    Assuming its a COLD thing, right?

  • Johnny O | December 24, 2009 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”368465″][quote comment=”368463″]Twas the night before Christmas, when all through Miller Park, not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.

    Miller Park on Christmas Eve:
    http://s147.photobuc...

    Happy Holidays![/quote]

    Hope this isn’t a stupid question but whats going on with the field? Is the grass/dirt covered in plastic? If it is, why?

    Assuming its a COLD thing, right?[/quote]

    Most of your answers can be found by reading this sweet article:
    http://brewers.mlblo...

    This was also a question on brewers.com the other day:

    Adam, not so much a question about the Brewers but about the park. I live in Milwaukee and I drive past Miller Park every day. It’s December — why has the roof been open since the end of the season?
    — Andrew S., New Berlin, Wis.

    The grass needs sunlight, even in the winter when it’s not growing. Gary Vanden Berg, the Brewers’ longtime head groundskeeper, explained this and so much more in a post at John & Cait Plus Nine, an MLBlog maintained by front office staffers John Steinmiller and Caitlin Moyer. When you’re not reading Brew Beat or following me on Twitter (@AdamMcCalvy), I highly suggest you give them a look.

  • Johnny O | December 24, 2009 at 2:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”368465″][quote comment=”368463″]Twas the night before Christmas, when all through Miller Park, not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.

    Miller Park on Christmas Eve:
    http://s147.photobuc...

    Happy Holidays![/quote]

    Hope this isn’t a stupid question but whats going on with the field? Is the grass/dirt covered in plastic? If it is, why?

    Assuming its a COLD thing, right?[/quote]

    If you don’t want to, or can’t read the article, the short answer is here:

    (Nov. 24, 2009)
    The Grounds Crew spent the morning covering the field with special turf covers (which help keep the grass from turning yellow, keeps the grass a little warmer and, in times of sunlight, can act a little bit like a greenhouse) and placing sandbags down to keep the covers from coming loose. They also placed 2″ insulation over the infield dirt to help make it more playable come spring; the insulation prevents the frost from going as deep.

  • JTH | December 24, 2009 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”368463″]Twas the night before Christmas, when all through Miller Park, not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.

    Miller Park on Christmas Eve:
    http://s147.photobuc...

    Happy Holidays![/quote]
    Lousy YMCA wi-fi blocks photobucket?

    How lame is that?

  • Thomas Clark | December 24, 2009 at 2:49 pm |

    That was a really interesting blog. I had no idea that teams would til up the infield in the off-season and re-mix the consistency of the dirt. That’s really amazing.

  • Thomps | December 24, 2009 at 2:58 pm |

    Im still searching for photographic evidence but I’ve noticed some uniform inconsistencies for the NC State Wolfpack basketball team. It seems that all upperclassmen have radially arched nameplates, but Freshman have been given straight nameplates. Additionally, it seems their font is much larger.

  • Pedro | December 24, 2009 at 3:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”368467″][quote comment=”368465″][quote comment=”368463″]Twas the night before Christmas, when all through Miller Park, not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.

    Miller Park on Christmas Eve:
    http://s147.photobuc...

    Happy Holidays![/quote]

    Hope this isn’t a stupid question but whats going on with the field? Is the grass/dirt covered in plastic? If it is, why?

    Assuming its a COLD thing, right?[/quote]

    If you don’t want to, or can’t read the article, the short answer is here:

    (Nov. 24, 2009)
    The Grounds Crew spent the morning covering the field with special turf covers (which help keep the grass from turning yellow, keeps the grass a little warmer and, in times of sunlight, can act a little bit like a greenhouse) and placing sandbags down to keep the covers from coming loose. They also placed 2″ insulation over the infield dirt to help make it more playable come spring; the insulation prevents the frost from going as deep.[/quote]

    Are you kidding me? the only thing which interest me anywhere near as much as uniwatching is my interest in groundskeeping. That article is great stuff, my mind is churning with all kinds of questions that I’d like to ask. Another thing that I’m crazy about is the background/preparation in sports, eg: what equipment managers and such do to prepares for games.

  • Jet | December 24, 2009 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”368471″]. Another thing that I’m crazy about is the background/preparation in sports, eg: what equipment managers and such do to prepares for games.[/quote]

    You would have loved the job Barry Keast had to do for the old California Golden Seals – among his clubhouse duties was painting the Seals’ skates white every few games! They were known for their white skates during the green-and-gold-garbed Charlie Finley era, but they also wore at different times yellow skates with green trim, green skates with yellow trim, white skates with green trim, and of course the all-white with green laces!

  • JimV19 | December 24, 2009 at 3:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”368422″]If you like the swinging friar, you’ll love this…
    http://www.youtube.c...

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Great video. And J.P. II was a good athlete as well as a great human being.

    Speaking of great, everyone have a great Christmas Eve and Christmas morning. Peace.

  • Paul Lukas | December 24, 2009 at 4:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”368470″]Im still searching for photographic evidence but I’ve noticed some uniform inconsistencies for the NC State Wolfpack basketball team. It seems that all upperclassmen have radially arched nameplates, but Freshman have been given straight nameplates. Additionally, it seems their font is much larger.[/quote]

    Way ahead of you, Thomps:
    http://www.flickr.co...

  • JTH | December 24, 2009 at 4:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”368460″]Hey, kids! Happy holidays to one and all during this festive season. If you want to read a hockey-themed ‘Twas the Night Before Christmas, I’ve posted why I love the Christmas season over on the blog.

    As the snow falls outside, please take care this holiday season, and don’t drink and drive. I want to see everyone back after they’ve opened their gifts and celebrated with their loved ones.

    From me to you, Merry Christmas, Uni Watchers![/quote]
    Easier said than done…

    Two sips from the cup of human kindness and I’m shitfaced — just laid to waste.

  • Thomps | December 24, 2009 at 4:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”368474″][quote comment=”368470″]Im still searching for photographic evidence but I’ve noticed some uniform inconsistencies for the NC State Wolfpack basketball team. It seems that all upperclassmen have radially arched nameplates, but Freshman have been given straight nameplates. Additionally, it seems their font is much larger.[/quote]

    Way ahead of you, Thomps:
    http://www.flickr.co...

    Youre the man Paul, thanks and Happy Holidays!

  • JTH | December 24, 2009 at 5:00 pm |

    Merry Christmas, all.

    Please remember, it isn’t the thought; it’s your reaction that counts.

  • timmy b | December 24, 2009 at 6:13 pm |

    Merry Christmas to all.

    In sports uniforms we trust.

  • Cale | December 24, 2009 at 6:16 pm |

    Thank you for the great Christmas gift of the Whalers concepts! I love that logo and this made my night.

  • Josh Jedwab | December 24, 2009 at 6:20 pm |

    I just slapped my forehead as in a V-8 vegetable juice commercial… as in how could I have forgotten to include the Milwaukee Brewers’ m/b baseball glove in my top 5 faves of all time?

    http://www.sportslog...

    Ok… if the Big 10 can have 11 teams, my Top 5 faves can have 6 logos.

    1. Hartford Whalers
    2. Atlanta Hawks
    3. Minnesota Wild
    4. New Jersey Devils
    5. Macon Whoopee
    5. Milwaukee Brewers

    I guess the common thread here, (probably except for New Jersey), is that most people I know generally doesn’t “see” the entire meaning at first glance, but when they do, it feels satisfying; like being let in on a cool inside joke. At first, I didn’t notice the Whalers’ H, the Wild animal, or the Brewers’ m/b. It took years for me to notice the Atlanta Hawks logo was a hawk, not some sort of inexplicable basketball thingie eating some inexplicable other thingie. I still think Macon Whoopee choice of the fig leaf was a subtle and classy way to deal with what was otherwise a groan-inducing pun.

  • Tall Paul | December 24, 2009 at 6:29 pm |

    With the mentioning of the Sun Microsystems logo and the WFL Sun logo, it reminded me of one of my favorite logos: Sun Oil Co. Not the Sunoco logo, but the one shown on the lease sign here: http://www.worthpoin... It’s simplistic, easily recognizable, works in color or b/w, works large (like the 50 foot tall version on the side of an oil storage tank near Seminole, OK) or small, etc.

  • Tom | December 24, 2009 at 6:52 pm |

    The Phillies’ greens were made special for that game every year and auctioned off every year. So Schenk is accurate in every quote. The unis WERE made special for that game and Giles had the idea for the uniforms. Schenk never said WHEN Giles first had the idea.

  • Andrew | December 24, 2009 at 10:00 pm |

    Why do some players for Nevada have a helmut stripe and some do not?

  • aflfan | December 24, 2009 at 10:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”368485″]Why do some players for Nevada have a helmut stripe and some do not?[/quote]

    They earn them for special play. I don’t recall the specifics but it was covered earlier in the year.

    Did anyone notice SMU lineman Ja’Gared Davis has J.G. Davis nameplate on the back of his jersey?

  • Kevin Z. | December 24, 2009 at 10:52 pm |

    Anyone know what color pants Arizona is wearing with white helmets and white jerseys in the holiday bowl? From the links to the UA equipment manager blog, it appears they will also be wearing red socks. I’m thinking that the switch to white helmets is to facilitate a lame “white out” game with white pants, but I think white-white-navy would look solid.

  • jesse | December 24, 2009 at 11:13 pm |

    Merry Christmas fellow watchers, and to all a good night!

  • Ricko | December 24, 2009 at 11:14 pm |

    So…a mentally unstable woman knocked down the Pope and a Cardinal during Christmas Eve mass at the Vatican, I heard.

    Have seen only grainy video so far, but being it was at the Vatican, can we assume the Cardinal was in the home whites?

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | December 24, 2009 at 11:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”368490″]So…a mentally unstable woman knocked down the Pope and a Cardinal during Christmas Eve mass at the Vatican, I heard.

    Have seen only grainy video so far, but being it was at the Vatican, can we assume the Cardinal was in the home whites?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    photo

  • JimV19 | December 24, 2009 at 11:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”368490″]So…a mentally unstable woman knocked down the Pope and a Cardinal during Christmas Eve mass at the Vatican, I heard.

    Have seen only grainy video so far, but being it was at the Vatican, can we assume the Cardinal was in the home whites?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Classic whites with gold trim. Cardinals with red skull caps, the pope (or “B16,” as some of the kids call him) with a white skull cap and red shoes.

    New translator for the NBC broadcast. Not used to a new voice after years of Archbishop Foley.

  • LI Phil | December 25, 2009 at 12:06 am |

    well, for everyone in the eastern time zone, it’s now official…to those west of me…it’s a tad early:

    merry christmas, and a happy hanukkah, blessed kwanzaa, grievous festivus, and whatever you are or aren’t celebrating this year…

    peace to all,

    LI Phil

    **and now time to start the ralphie marathon

  • Nick | December 25, 2009 at 12:32 am |

    All-Time Sports Logos ….

    I believe the all-time best PRIMARY team logo is the departed Atlanta Flames’ motion “A” logo with flame center. It has EVERYTHING a mens’ team logo should have:

    1. Sharp, smart lines;
    2. First initial of the city/state it represents;
    3. Team mascot ID – here a “Flame” center of
    the “A”;
    4. “At first sight” identity recognition;
    5. A clean, upbeat look.

    Combining the City/State/School ID with the team ID in a classy, uncomplicted, easily identifiable way is a very difficult, tricky task. This logo pulls it off in spades. That to me is all that you can do with a team logo, and IMO that logo has it over any other one that I have ever seen.

    My second choice is the WFL Portland Storm, with the two piece “Hurricane “S”. Wonderful logo for my favorite WFL team. Where is RB Rufus Ferguson when we need him!

    Merry Christmas, UWers!

  • TC Mark | December 25, 2009 at 3:01 am |

    [quote comment=”368494″]All-Time Sports Logos ….

    I believe the all-time best PRIMARY team logo is the departed Atlanta Flames’ motion “A” logo with flame center. It has EVERYTHING a mens’ team logo should have:

    1. Sharp, smart lines;
    2. First initial of the city/state it represents;
    3. Team mascot ID – here a “Flame” center of
    the “A”;
    4. “At first sight” identity recognition;
    5. A clean, upbeat look.

    Combining the City/State/School ID with the team ID in a classy, uncomplicted, easily identifiable way is a very difficult, tricky task. This logo pulls it off in spades. That to me is all that you can do with a team logo, and IMO that logo has it over any other one that I have ever seen.

    My second choice is the WFL Portland Storm, with the two piece “Hurricane “S”. Wonderful logo for my favorite WFL team. Where is RB Rufus Ferguson when we need him!

    Merry Christmas, UWers![/quote]

    Agree. Flames A was one of the all-time greats in my book.

  • Rich | December 25, 2009 at 12:06 pm |

    Whalers logo is one of the best ever. It’s a shame and a sham that they ended up in Carolina and that the governor that signed the deal to let them go is now on the board of director’s of the owner’s company.