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Mixed Marriage

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The photos you see above were taken several months ago at the wedding of Jesse Spector and his lovely bride Caroline. He’s from New York and she’s from the Boston area, so they approached me earlier this year with a fun request: They wanted the table number signs at their reception to be patterned after Yankees and Red Sox retired numbers — Yanks on one side and Sox on the other — to symbolize their NYC/Beantown union. So Scott Turner designed the circular icons for a nominal fee, and there they were at the reception. Cool!

Scott and I were really happy to play a part, however small, in Jesse and Caroline’s big day. If you would like to engage the Uni Watch Wedding Services Division for your special occasion (table numbers, signage, special jerseys from Ebbets Field Flannels, etc.), feel free to give us a shout — we like these projects.

New ESPN column today look here. I think everyone will enjoy it, but those of you from Pittsburgh should be extra-pleased by it.

Speaking of Pittsburgh…: Doug Keklak, Ryan Connelly, and some other Steeltown-area readers are organizing their own Uni Watch party for early next month — “YinzerWatch, if you will,” says Kek. The gathering will be held on Thursday, January 7th, 6pm, at Silky’s in Squirrel Hill.

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Uni Watch Mystery: As many of you know, one of the great Uni Watch holy grails, or white whales, or whatever, is the prototype Chiefs helmet with an Indian headdress design that was briefly shown and discussed during an NFL broadcast over 15 years ago. Many people claim to have seen this helmet, but there’s a lot of disagreement over the specifics: “It was shown during a game in the late 1980s … No, it was during the 1990s! … It was during a game against the Broncos. … No, they were playing the Oilers! … No no no, they were playing the Raiders!! … Dick Enberg and Bill Walsh talked about the helemt. … No, it was Bob Trumpy!”

I am now very close to solving this mystery. I’ve even found the guy who designed the prototype, so I know the whole story behind it (and will be sharing it with you soon, I promise). What I haven’t been able to find is the footage from that old NFL game, because I’m still not sure which game it was.

I do know that the game was played in 1989. I also know it was played in KC. That means it was one of these games:

    Sept. 17 vs. Oakland
    Oct. 1 vs. Cincinnati
    Oct. 22 vs. Dallas
    Nov. 5 vs. Seattle
    Nov. 12 vs. Denver
    Nov. 26 vs. Houston
    Dec. 3 vs. Miami
    Dec. 17 vs. San Diego

I have reason to believe that it was probably not the Denver game, but that’s not yet 100% certain.

If you were watching that game 20 years ago and can help me narrow this down, please speak up pronto-like. Thanks.

Raffle Reminder: In case you missed yesterday’s entry, I’m currently raffling off a buncha cool stuff. Details here.

Pool Reminder: And in case you missed it on Monday, Phil has set up a pool/contest thingie for the college football bowls. Details here.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Here’s how yesterday’s steak turned out. … Shhhhh! Explanation here (with thanks to Michael Korczynski). … Here’s the next evolutionary step from Fudd caps (with thanks to Jason Hillyer). … Fortunately, MLB hasn’t starting merchandising cowboy boots — yet (with thanks to Thomas Leibowitz). … Jason Bernard spotted this 1990 NHL All-Star Game jacket on eBay. … Jim Ransdell has written a nice little piece about old Sears catalog NFL action figures. … And speaking of vintage sports figures and such, it’s always worth giving a plug to the mighty Fleer Sticker Project, which is the highest authority on such matters. … Here are the mascots for the Brazilian Superliga volleyball league and the Brazilian national volleyball team, respectively (as provided by, of course, Jeremy Brahm). … I’m left-handed, so I always prefer to use my right arm when receiving an injection or giving blood. So when the nurse administering my pigthrax vaccination yesterday morning began reaching for my left arm, I said, “I’d rather do it on the right side, please.” She asked why, and I said, “Because I’m left-handed, and I don’t want any swelling or soreness on that side.” To which she replied, “Oh, are you a baseball pitcher or something?” I said no, and she said, “Oh, I thought maybe you were protecting your pitching arm, since you’re wearing a baseball cap.” On my way out after getting the shot, I noticed five people in the waiting room wearing baseball caps. … Michael Walsh says he got this A’s hockey sweater in 2003 at the Oakland Coliseum. … And speaking of baseball-themed hockey jerseys, a few days ago someone in the comments made the following suggestion: “”When the Washington baseball club relocated to DC, they should have kept the ‘Expos’ name and added an ‘é’ to the end of it (to maintain a bit of the French influence/pay tribute to Montréal). Could there ever be a better named sports team than the Washington Exposé?” Josh Jedwab took that idea and promptly created a hockey version of it. … How interesting is this photo? Let us count the ways: (1) Color on color. (2) ASU is going untucked, but the jerseys are much shorter than most other untucked jerseys of the era. (3) Very interesting number font for ASU. (4) Odd mix of capital and lowercase letters for BYU. (5) Bizarre backboard support system. (6) Floor-level scoreboard. (7) Striped socks! (All of this pointed out by Jeremy Richardson). … Bryan Justman wanted a Penguins Stanley Cup replica banner, but the ones being offered for retail sale didn’t look enough like the real one at Mellon Arena, so he made his own. … Big Popular Mechanics article about helmets in various sports (with thanks to Kevin Whisman). … Kevin Dull found something odd in a Twin Cities shop: a winter cap in Gophers colors but with a Michigan M. “It was tagged with the NCAA license and everything,” he says. … Yesterday’s installment of All Things Considered had a great segment about this baseball book, and the web version of the segment features some dynamite photos. … I realize most of you can’t access Newsday‘s web site anymore. But for those of you who can, there’s a great slideshow documenting the current state of the old Yankee Stadium. … More military/sports crossovers: the USS Cardinal with the Cardinals’ script and the USS Raven with Ravens-inspired wordmark. “In the case of the Cardinal, the name and use of the team identity come from the office of Missouri Congressman Dick Gephardt, who sponsored the appropriations bill that made the ship possible,” explains Paul Wiederecht. “When the ship was officially commissioned in D.C., Stan Musial was there for the ceremony.” … Matt DeLeon recently acquired a 2000 Montreal Expos calendar. “The most interesting thing about it is an illustration at the end of the calendar showing the renovated version of Olympic Stadium that was never realized,” he says. … The Mets Police blog wants fans to wear blue caps to the ballpark this season (with thanks to Dan Cichalski). … The Ravens will be wearing their black jerseys this Sunday. … The Lady Vols hoops team has added NOBs (with thanks to Buddy Walker). … New masks in the works for Martin Brodeur — go to this page and search on “painted” (as noted by Kevin Clark). … Bill Kellick recently came across this old basketball photo in an antiques shop. Not positive, but I’m pretty sure the V-neck collar was very unusual for the 1920s. … In a move that I hope lands in the “one and done” scrapheap, the Thunder all wore orange Nike sneakers for last night’s game against the Mavs. According to the AP game recap, even the players with Adidas footwear deals went swooshified for this one. … You know how Shea has the apple coming out of the top hat to celebrate home runs? The Marlins new stadium will have a pop-art variation on that — check out the little video at the bottom of this page. Lots of negative reaction to it so far, but I really like it.

 

203 comments to Mixed Marriage

  • Bob | December 17, 2009 at 8:23 am |

    I just want to know if that Marlins HR celebration will spit out a Voltar card when it’s done.

  • DJ | December 17, 2009 at 8:37 am |

    “The most interesting thing about it is an illustration at the end of the calendar showing the renovated version of Olympic Stadium that was never realized,” he says

    No, it was a rendering of an all-new ballpark that was to be built near St. Catharine’s Street

  • James P. | December 17, 2009 at 8:42 am |

    Paul,

    I have that Baseball Americana book, and forgot to tell you about it. It is FULL of awesome baseball images that probably have not been seen by a majority of baseball fans. I highly suggest this book to be in your personal library if you love baseball and/or you love old sports related anything! Aside the glorious photographs, it does provide baseball history. Like there were not only teams of women that would play simi-professionally, there were soem future Hall of Fame MLBers that got their start dressing in drag and playing on these “all girl” teams! Truely a great book!

    I even got it at a SAM’s Club for about half the cover price which made it that much more of a steal!

  • Natron | December 17, 2009 at 8:44 am |

    Will they be playing “The Magical Mystery Tour” as the batter circles the bases?

  • KilroyFSU | December 17, 2009 at 8:48 am |

    Re: the BYU-ASU picture: The main thing that jumped out at me is that Danny Ainge has no armpit hair. WTF?

  • Pittsburgh Gunny | December 17, 2009 at 8:49 am |

    SHHHHHHHHH! I love that. Anyways I have that Max Talbot shot on a T-Shirt, it always gets a good reaction amongst Penguins fans.

  • FormerDirtDart | December 17, 2009 at 8:55 am |

    There have been four ships since 1918 commissioned in the US Navy as the USS Cardinal, and another canceled prior to construction at the end of WWII, all were minesweepers or hunters. The last ship USS Cardinal(MHC-60)was decommissioned in 2006, and the vessel was transfered to the Egyptian military in 2007

  • Johnny O | December 17, 2009 at 8:56 am |

    I had something similar this summer at my wedding. My wife and I got married on the 4th of July, and our wedding reception was at Lambeau Field. We really wanted something different for table numbers, so we decided to name the tables after Packer greats. The head table was the Brett Favre table. This was obviously before he was a Viking. However, we did have an emergency table number just in case he did join the Vikes as the rumors were swirling. We had a football cutout with Vince Lombardi’s name on it just in case. Granted, we made these jerseys ourselves, so they weren’t the best in the world, but I think they turned out OK:
    http://i147.photobuc...

    Also, my wife and I just got a Holiday greeting card from the people who helped us with our wedding reception… and here is the card. Anyone know what game the image is from:
    http://i147.photobuc...

    I will try and find more pics of the table numbers later, but I am off to work for now.

  • mike 2 | December 17, 2009 at 8:57 am |

    [quote comment=”367135″]“The most interesting thing about it is an illustration at the end of the calendar showing the renovated version of Olympic Stadium that was never realized,” he says

    No, it was a rendering of an all-new ballpark that was to be built near St. Catharine’s Street[/quote]

    Yep – it was to be called Labatt Park. There’s still lots of details up on the “future ballparks” section of ballparks.com

  • Jeremy Brahm | December 17, 2009 at 9:04 am |

    Article on the Thunder going Orange-Out
    http://newsok.com/th...

  • Stuby | December 17, 2009 at 9:04 am |

    Another weird thing about the ASU-BYU pic. It must have been before shoe contracts with schools because one ASU player is wearing Adidas and another is wearing Nike with the big fat swoosh.

  • LI Phil | December 17, 2009 at 9:06 am |

    [quote comment=”367142″][quote comment=”367135″]“The most interesting thing about it is an illustration at the end of the calendar showing the renovated version of Olympic Stadium that was never realized,” he says

    No, it was a rendering of an all-new ballpark that was to be built near St. Catharine’s Street[/quote]

    Yep – it was to be called Labatt Park. There’s still lots of details up on the “future ballparks” section of ballparks.com[/quote]

    dammit, mike beat me to it, but here

  • FormerDirtDart | December 17, 2009 at 9:07 am |

    Oddly enough, the US Navy has also had four USS Ravens, on and off since 1813, and an additional one canceled prior to construction in 1918 (also a minesweeper). The last USS Raven(MHC-61), a sister ship of the USS Cardinal, was decommissioned and also transfered to the Egyptian Navy in 2007.

  • Ross | December 17, 2009 at 9:08 am |

    http://sneakernews.c...

    These are the shoes the Thunder are probably wearing. They’re certianly orange, but only the Bucs will wear the real “creamsicles”.

  • Bernard | December 17, 2009 at 9:12 am |

    [quote]In a move that I hope lands in the “one and done” scrapheap, the Thunder all wore orange Nike sneakers for last night’s game against the Mavs. According to the AP game recap, even the players with Adidas footwear deals went swooshified for this one. …[/quote]

    I don’t think this means the players with adidas deals were swooshified, I think it means they chose orange adidas.

  • leon | December 17, 2009 at 9:12 am |

    [quote comment=”367137″]Will they be playing “The Magical Mystery Tour” as the batter circles the bases?[/quote]
    And will one of the pitchers throw a no-hitter?

  • leon | December 17, 2009 at 9:14 am |

    “the Thunder all wore orange Nike sneakers”

    FWIW, the player w/tape on his nose appears to have white laces as opposed to orange and some sort of tape on his shoe, perhaps obscuring an inferior logo.

  • leon | December 17, 2009 at 9:19 am |

    How interesting is this photo? Let us count the ways:
    http://www.stumbleup...

    (8) Only one brother in a picture of a D1 b-ball game.

    Yes, I realize it’s BYU. Just sayin…

  • LI Phil | December 17, 2009 at 9:20 am |

    [quote comment=”367150″]”the Thunder all wore orange Nike sneakers”

    FWIW, the player w/tape on his nose appears to have white laces as opposed to orange and some sort of tape on his shoe, perhaps obscuring an inferior logo.[/quote]

    indeed…from the article:

    Durant broke out his new KD2 sneakers for the first time, and most of his teammates joined him in wearing the new Nike shoes.

    and

    Even Ibaka and Etan Thomas, the two Oklahoma City players who wear adidas shoes, picked out orange ones.

    i hope those 3 stripe colorways didn’t clash with those of the swoosh…wouldn’t wanna look garish or anything

  • TommyD | December 17, 2009 at 9:24 am |

    [quote comment=”367145″]

    No, it was a rendering of an all-new ballpark that was to be built near St. Catharine’s Street[/quote]

    Yep – it was to be called Labatt Park. There’s still lots of details up on the “future ballparks” section of ballparks.com[/quote]

    dammit, mike beat me to it, but here[/quote]

    “A model of the the proposal was given to the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame, but it was destroyed by vandals on April 27, 2005.”

    who would do such a thing?

  • Stuby | December 17, 2009 at 9:29 am |

    I’m cool with the Thunder wearing the orange sneakers – at least it gives their uniforms some character. They should keep them as their signature look.

  • Jeff E. | December 17, 2009 at 9:33 am |

    Paul, I hate it when you post pictures of some delicous foods (especially meats!) that you cooked the day prior. Makes me hungry for lunch at 9 in the morning.

  • David T | December 17, 2009 at 9:40 am |

    The home version of that BYU jersey showed up in The Salt Lake Tribune today. That’s QB Max Hall in front of a trophy case (Steve Young and Danny Ainge jerseys are over his right shoulder).

    http://www.sltrib.co...

  • Roger Faso | December 17, 2009 at 9:42 am |

    Interesting photo, indeed. Didn’t notice/mention that Ainge shaved his armpits and shaped his eyebrows.

    http://www.stumbleup...

  • Graf Zeppelin | December 17, 2009 at 9:43 am |

    I’m not a Yankee fan, but those images of the Stadium being eviscerated are jsut heartbreaking. As someone who still mourns the loss of Penn Station even though it was gone before I was born, this is a tragedy. Yes, I know why it has to be done and yes, I know the “original” Yankee Stadium essentially went away in the ’70s, but still. Another historic New York building is coming down and they city just doesn’t seem to care.

  • interlockingtc | December 17, 2009 at 9:46 am |

    The thing about that Marlins home run celebration that sets it apart is that it is fanciful, something that is sorely lacking in the increasingly corporate world of pro sports.

  • Stuby | December 17, 2009 at 9:47 am |

    New numbers for John Lackey (40) with the Red Sox (Victor Martinez has 41) and Roy Halladay (34) with the Phils, taking Cliff Lee’s number (32 retired for Carlton).

  • Jon | December 17, 2009 at 9:49 am |

    Thanks for the mention of The Fleer Sticker Project. Here’s the link to the reviews of the Sears Catalogs that tie in with Jim’s post on the Sears action figures:

    http://fleersticker....

  • Stuby | December 17, 2009 at 10:02 am |

    Chris Henry has passed away.

  • timmy b | December 17, 2009 at 10:13 am |

    Late in yesterday’s thread, JimV19 took us to some vintage NFL video on youtube.

    On there was the music intro CBS used from 1966 (and probably earlier) thru 1973 in various renditions. It was called “Confidence” and I thought – and still think it was the greatest football tune ev-er.

    Until 1968, CBS actually used split audio for its football telecasts. So if say Ricko was watching his Vikings play the Packers in Green Bay in 1963 or thereabouts, he would hear the call of Herb Carneal and Clayton Tonnemaker, while viewers on the Green Bay side not blacked out would hear Ray Scott and Tony Canadeo on the call.

    I know, I’m going waaaaay off topic here, but the sports TV-radio biz I hold almost as near and dear to my heart as the unis.

  • Adam | December 17, 2009 at 10:18 am |

    Is it me or does that Marlins Homerun art statement look like Terry Gilliam of Monty Python designed it.

  • M.Princip | December 17, 2009 at 10:23 am |

    [quote comment=”367162″]Chris Henry has passed away.[/quote]

    Truly sad.

    R.I.P. Chris Henry

  • Joe Hilseberg | December 17, 2009 at 10:26 am |

    Nice Job Scott! Reminds me of my wedding table numbers.

    http://jerseynamefra...

    Mine had to be basic MLB sytle and match our black and white color scheme though. I wanted to do a different style for each number of the most famous player to wear that number.

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 10:30 am |

    [quote comment=”367144″]Another weird thing about the ASU-BYU pic. It must have been before shoe contracts with schools because one ASU player is wearing Adidas and another is wearing Nike with the big fat swoosh.[/quote]

    This just in…there were a whole helluva lot of team sports played before shoe deals (team or league) came along. For them to be a an “always” requires a very short “always.”

    When did they become commonplace, other than in college basketball, that is? Only about 20 years ago, right? Late 80’s at the earliest? The first-year USFL’s deal with Pony was the initial league-wide shoe deal that I recall…and it was a fairly long time before another came along, even for teams other than basketball.

    One of the things I like about MLB, there’s no such animal as either team or league shoe deals.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | December 17, 2009 at 10:35 am |

    any word on whether the bengals will be having one of these?

  • Stuby | December 17, 2009 at 10:37 am |

    [quote comment=”367167″][quote comment=”367144″]Another weird thing about the ASU-BYU pic. It must have been before shoe contracts with schools because one ASU player is wearing Adidas and another is wearing Nike with the big fat swoosh.[/quote]

    This just in…there were a whole helluva lot of team sports played before shoe deals (team or league) came along. For them to be a an “always” requires a very short “always.”

    When did they become commonplace, other than in college basketball, that is? Only about 20 years ago, right? Late 80’s at the earliest? The first-year USFL’s deal with Pony was the initial league-wide shoe deal that I recall…and it was a fairly long time before another came along, even for teams other than basketball.

    One of the things I like about MLB, there’s no such animal as either team or league shoe deals.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    I know, it’s just strange to see from the perspective of today’s college athletics. You also can’t tell in that shot what brand any of the BYU players are wearing (Ainge-Pumas, maybe?), so yes, times have changed. BTW, a couple of the BYU players, including Ainge, are even wearing low-cuts.

  • MPowers1634 | December 17, 2009 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment=”367152″][quote comment=”367150″]”the Thunder all wore orange Nike sneakers”

    FWIW, the player w/tape on his nose appears to have white laces as opposed to orange and some sort of tape on his shoe, perhaps obscuring an inferior logo.[/quote]

    indeed…from the article:

    Durant broke out his new KD2 sneakers for the first time, and most of his teammates joined him in wearing the new Nike shoes.

    and

    Even Ibaka and Etan Thomas, the two Oklahoma City players who wear adidas shoes, picked out orange ones.

    i hope those 3 stripe colorways didn’t clash with those of the swoosh…wouldn’t wanna look garish or anything[/quote]

    To borrow parlance from the 70’s era Buccaneers, these shoes are affectionately known as “the creamsicles”:

    http://solecollector...

  • MPowers1634 | December 17, 2009 at 10:43 am |

    [quote comment=”367165″][quote comment=”367162″]Chris Henry has passed away.[/quote]

    Truly sad.

    R.I.P. Chris Henry[/quote]

    Injured Reserve?
    http://www.bengals.c...

  • JTH | December 17, 2009 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment=”367171″][quote comment=”367165″][quote comment=”367162″]Chris Henry has passed away.[/quote]

    Truly sad.

    R.I.P. Chris Henry[/quote]

    Injured Reserve?
    http://www.bengals.c...
    He was placed on IR around week 5 or so.

  • MPowers1634 | December 17, 2009 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment=”367172″][quote comment=”367171″][quote comment=”367165″][quote comment=”367162″]Chris Henry has passed away.[/quote]

    Truly sad.

    R.I.P. Chris Henry[/quote]

    Injured Reserve?
    http://www.bengals.c...
    He was placed on IR around week 5 or so.[/quote]

    I didn’t realize that he had broken his arm against the Ravens.

    I hadn’t followed him this yearm but it seemed that he was turning himself around.

    Nonetheless, anyone’s passing, especially at his age, is a shame.

  • JTH | December 17, 2009 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”367174″][quote comment=”367172″][quote comment=”367171″][quote comment=”367165″][quote comment=”367162″]Chris Henry has passed away.[/quote]

    Truly sad.

    R.I.P. Chris Henry[/quote]

    Injured Reserve?
    http://www.bengals.c...
    He was placed on IR around week 5 or so.[/quote]

    I didn’t realize that he had broken his arm against the Ravens.

    I hadn’t followed him this yearm but it seemed that he was turning himself around.

    Nonetheless, anyone’s passing, especially at his age, is a shame.[/quote]
    Indeed.

    OK, I checked, it was actually week 9 (but coincidentally, the Bengals played the Ravens in week 5 as well).

  • LI Phil | December 17, 2009 at 10:53 am |

    [quote comment=”367174″]
    I hadn’t followed him this yearm but it seemed that he was turning himself around.[/quote]

    if you hadn’t followed him this year, how would you know that?

  • Hott Rodd | December 17, 2009 at 10:56 am |

    [quote comment=”367174″][quote comment=”367172″][quote comment=”367171″][quote comment=”367165″][quote comment=”367162″]Chris Henry has passed away.[/quote]

    Truly sad.

    R.I.P. Chris Henry[/quote]

    Injured Reserve?
    http://www.bengals.c...
    He was placed on IR around week 5 or so.[/quote]

    I didn’t realize that he had broken his arm against the Ravens.

    I hadn’t followed him this yearm but it seemed that he was turning himself around.

    Nonetheless, anyone’s passing, especially at his age, is a shame.[/quote]

    Indeed, from all of the press he got in the preseason and after, he seemed to really have matured. The irony is that it was his relationship with his fiance and kids that had grounded him and brought him to reality.

  • MPowers1634 | December 17, 2009 at 10:58 am |

    [quote comment=”367151″]How interesting is this photo? Let us count the ways:
    http://www.stumbleup...

    (8) Only one brother in a picture of a D1 b-ball game.

    Yes, I realize it’s BYU. Just sayin…[/quote]

    BYU wearing Puma GV Specials…ASU wearing the Adidas Pro Models and seemingly Nike Sky Force

  • JTH | December 17, 2009 at 10:58 am |

    Is today the deadline for getting into the NCAA bowl pool?

    If so, I guess I shoulda signed up earlier, because I’m getting one of these when I go to the site that hosts the pool.

  • MPowers1634 | December 17, 2009 at 11:00 am |

    [quote comment=”367176″][quote comment=”367174″]
    I hadn’t followed him this yearm but it seemed that he was turning himself around.[/quote]

    if you hadn’t followed him this year, how would you know that?[/quote]

    Okay, Phil…Since I hadn’t heard about him in the news…I assumed that he was walking the straight and narrow.

    And from all reports that I have just read!

  • LI Phil | December 17, 2009 at 11:03 am |

    [quote comment=”367179″]Is today the deadline for getting into the NCAA bowl pool?

    If so, I guess I shoulda signed up earlier, because I’m getting one of these when I go to the site that hosts the pool.[/quote]

    o rly… you went here and got denied?

    i didn’t set the thing up, but i was under the impression the picks had to be locked by today…perhaps i was misinformed

    damn…a couple hundred people signed up so far

  • Pete | December 17, 2009 at 11:08 am |

    Bizarre backboard support system.

    That was a pretty standard backboard support in the 70s and 80s. Most arenas have gone with Hydra-Ribs since they were developed in the 80s.

    Since Danny Ainge is with BYU here, that would place the year around 80-81, which makes sense given the supports and the ASU untucked jerseys (a big late-70s trend).

    Hence, pre-Hydra-Rib.

  • Pete | December 17, 2009 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”367138″]Re: the BYU-ASU picture: The main thing that jumped out at me is that Danny Ainge has no armpit hair. WTF?[/quote]

    Basketball players sometimes shave the pits. It’s a little unusual, but whatever works for you, I guess.

  • Drew Hunziker | December 17, 2009 at 11:22 am |

    As logged in my mental bank, the headress helmet made it’s only appearance 11/26/1989 against Houston.

  • mike 2 | December 17, 2009 at 11:22 am |

    [quote comment=”367182″]Bizarre backboard support system.

    That was a pretty standard backboard support in the 70s and 80s. Most arenas have gone with Hydra-Ribs since they were developed in the 80s.

    Since Danny Ainge is with BYU here, that would place the year around 80-81, which makes sense given the supports and the ASU untucked jerseys (a big late-70s trend).

    Hence, pre-Hydra-Rib.[/quote]

    Was Danny Ainge really playing college basketball at the same time he was playing for the Blue Jays? You can be a pro in one sport while maintaining college eligibility in another?

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 11:25 am |

    [quote comment=”367180″][quote comment=”367176″][quote comment=”367174″]
    I hadn’t followed him this yearm but it seemed that he was turning himself around.[/quote]

    if you hadn’t followed him this year, how would you know that?[/quote]

    Okay, Phil…Since I hadn’t heard about him in the news…I assumed that he was walking the straight and narrow.

    And from all reports that I have just read![/quote]

    The sad thing about the Chris Henry story is that the basic elements of it are so typical: Talented kid and neither his life nor anyone IN his life teaches him that talent doesn’t put you above anyone else, in terms of behavior, your respect for the law, for women, even, sadly, for your coaches and teammates sometimes.

    Being able to run a great Post pattern does NOT make you a quality human being. Just makes you a quality WR. And it certainly doesn’t negate any inappropriate off-the-field behavior.

    Someone on ESPN this morning said of Henry that he’d “stopped socializing and become a family man.” He has three kids. He already WAS a family man, his problem was accepting the responsibility and the lifestyle changes that come with it. Three kid? News flash, dude, you’re a dad. Period. Your party animal days are over. Don’t like it? Maybe should have considered that before you had three kids.

    All we know now, though, it that there was some kind of “incident” that may or may not have triggered old behavior patterns in him.

    The shame is that those behavior patterns ever developed in the first place.

    One other thing. As the circmstances of Henry’s demise come to light, the Bengals and others truly do need to understand those circumstances do—and should—influence the way someone ought to be remembered or memorialized.

    —Ricko

  • DenverGregg | December 17, 2009 at 11:33 am |

    [quote comment=”367185″][quote comment=”367182″]Bizarre backboard support system.

    That was a pretty standard backboard support in the 70s and 80s. Most arenas have gone with Hydra-Ribs since they were developed in the 80s.

    Since Danny Ainge is with BYU here, that would place the year around 80-81, which makes sense given the supports and the ASU untucked jerseys (a big late-70s trend).

    Hence, pre-Hydra-Rib.[/quote]

    Was Danny Ainge really playing college basketball at the same time he was playing for the Blue Jays? You can be a pro in one sport while maintaining college eligibility in another?[/quote]
    John Elway played 1b in the Yankees organization before his senior year at Stanford, so sure, at least in the ’80s.

  • Mike Engle | December 17, 2009 at 11:34 am |

    [quote comment=”367167″][quote comment=”367144″]Another weird thing about the ASU-BYU pic. It must have been before shoe contracts with schools because one ASU player is wearing Adidas and another is wearing Nike with the big fat swoosh.[/quote]

    This just in…there were a whole helluva lot of team sports played before shoe deals (team or league) came along. For them to be a an “always” requires a very short “always.”

    When did they become commonplace, other than in college basketball, that is? Only about 20 years ago, right? Late 80’s at the earliest? The first-year USFL’s deal with Pony was the initial league-wide shoe deal that I recall…and it was a fairly long time before another came along, even for teams other than basketball.

    One of the things I like about MLB, there’s no such animal as either team or league shoe deals.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Closest thing I can think of is the Yankees. They used to have some sort of weird deal with Adidas, where anybody without a deal with another brand (including trainers and coaches) would wear the three stripes. I liked that setup: it allowed an Adidas sign or two in Yankee Stadium to replace the Majestic tags on the jerseys without making the Yankees look like the Adidas Yankees of New York. (No hint of Adidas anywhere on Mr. Jeter-Jordan.)

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    Know what just struck me?

    Taking the specifics of Chris Henry and football out of my post #52, almost the same could be said of Tiger Woods.

    And he HAD someone in his life teaching him…his dad.

    Has anyone checked to see if there’s any correlation between the beginning of Woods’ philandering and the father’s death?

    Or it is simply a condition endemic to all young athletes with huge amounts of money?

    The answer, of course, is “Yes.” Tiger just had seemed to be somehow immune to it.

    —Ricko

  • Paul Lukas | December 17, 2009 at 11:38 am |

    Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Hott Rodd | December 17, 2009 at 11:40 am |

    [quote comment=”367189″]Know what just struck me?

    Taking the specifics of Chris Henry and football out of my post #52, almost the same could be said of Tiger Woods.

    And he HAD someone in his life teaching him…his dad.

    Has anyone checked to see if there’s any correlation between the beginning of Woods’ philandering and the father’s death?

    Or it is simply a condition endemic to all young athletes with huge amounts of money?

    The answer, of course, is “Yes.” Tiger just had seemed to be somehow immune to it.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Now obviously history can be changed in hindsight, but at least in this article, Maurice Jones-Drew seems to be one young player who bucks that trend.
    http://sports.yahoo....

  • JTH | December 17, 2009 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment=”367181″][quote comment=”367179″]Is today the deadline for getting into the NCAA bowl pool?

    If so, I guess I shoulda signed up earlier, because I’m getting one of these when I go to the site that hosts the pool.[/quote]

    o rly… you went here and got denied?

    i didn’t set the thing up, but i was under the impression the picks had to be locked by today…perhaps i was misinformed

    damn…a couple hundred people signed up so far[/quote]
    Yeah, can you believe these pricks won’t let me go to a site called pooltracker.com?

    Just another example of The Man keeping me down.

  • Elvin Brownlee | December 17, 2009 at 11:48 am |

    I watched the Thunder/Mav game (I’m a Mav fan). I kinda liked the orange sneaker look.

  • mike k | December 17, 2009 at 11:53 am |

    Thanks for posting that pic of the Old Sears NFL Action Figures. I had a bunch of those as a kid. In fact They’re still stashed in a shoe box in the basement of my parents house.

    I think I had 3 Patriots and then 3 from other teams. Cowboys, Steelers and Packers I think. They came with blank jerseys and sheets of stickers for the front, back and TV numbers so you could customize them.

  • LI Phil | December 17, 2009 at 11:54 am |

    [quote comment=”367188″][quote comment=”367167″][quote comment=”367144″]Another weird thing about the ASU-BYU pic. It must have been before shoe contracts with schools because one ASU player is wearing Adidas and another is wearing Nike with the big fat swoosh.[/quote]

    This just in…there were a whole helluva lot of team sports played before shoe deals (team or league) came along. For them to be a an “always” requires a very short “always.”

    When did they become commonplace, other than in college basketball, that is? Only about 20 years ago, right? Late 80’s at the earliest? The first-year USFL’s deal with Pony was the initial league-wide shoe deal that I recall…and it was a fairly long time before another came along, even for teams other than basketball.

    One of the things I like about MLB, there’s no such animal as either team or league shoe deals.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Closest thing I can think of is the Yankees. They used to have some sort of weird deal with Adidas, where anybody without a deal with another brand (including trainers and coaches) would wear the three stripes. I liked that setup: it allowed an Adidas sign or two in Yankee Stadium to replace the Majestic tags on the jerseys without making the Yankees look like the Adidas Yankees of New York. (No hint of Adidas anywhere on Mr. Jeter-Jordan.)[/quote]

    a sign or two?

    dude, there was 3 stripage all over the old place

    info on old deal & new deal

    i did enjoy the fact that there was no majestic logo on the unis

  • Teebz | December 17, 2009 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=”367192″][quote comment=”367181″][quote comment=”367179″]Is today the deadline for getting into the NCAA bowl pool?

    If so, I guess I shoulda signed up earlier, because I’m getting one of these when I go to the site that hosts the pool.[/quote]

    o rly… you went here and got denied?

    i didn’t set the thing up, but i was under the impression the picks had to be locked by today…perhaps i was misinformed

    damn…a couple hundred people signed up so far[/quote]
    Yeah, can you believe these pricks won’t let me go to a site called pooltracker.com?

    Just another example of The Man keeping me down.[/quote]

    The Man is indeed keeping you down! LOL

  • Bryan | December 17, 2009 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...
    Best column ever!

  • JTH | December 17, 2009 at 11:58 am |

    [quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...
    RE: the Steagles

    There are no comparable examples of two NFL teams merging like this.

    What about Card-Pitt the following season?

  • JTH | December 17, 2009 at 11:59 am |

    Dammit! I am not quoting myself in that previous post.

  • Paul Lukas | December 17, 2009 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”367198″][quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...
    RE: the Steagles

    There are no comparable examples of two NFL teams merging like this.

    What about Card-Pitt the following season?[/quote]

    Yikes – I honestly didn’t know that!

    Will get the text corrected now. Anyone know how Card-Pitt handled their uniforms?

  • mike 2 | December 17, 2009 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”367187″][quote comment=”367185″][quote comment=”367182″]Bizarre backboard support system.

    That was a pretty standard backboard support in the 70s and 80s. Most arenas have gone with Hydra-Ribs since they were developed in the 80s.

    Since Danny Ainge is with BYU here, that would place the year around 80-81, which makes sense given the supports and the ASU untucked jerseys (a big late-70s trend).

    Hence, pre-Hydra-Rib.[/quote]

    Was Danny Ainge really playing college basketball at the same time he was playing for the Blue Jays? You can be a pro in one sport while maintaining college eligibility in another?[/quote]
    John Elway played 1b in the Yankees organization before his senior year at Stanford, so sure, at least in the ’80s.[/quote]

    Thanks for that. I don’t know a ton about eligibility, but given how many stories I’ve read about athletes losing eligibility for minor infractions I assumed that being a pro athlete (even in another sport) would be absolutely verboten.

  • JTH | December 17, 2009 at 12:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”367200″][quote comment=”367198″][quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...
    RE: the Steagles

    There are no comparable examples of two NFL teams merging like this.

    What about Card-Pitt the following season?[/quote]

    Yikes – I honestly didn’t know that!

    Will get the text corrected now. Anyone know how Card-Pitt handled their uniforms?[/quote]
    Well, at least it was still the Steelers who merged with the Cards and not some other team, so it’s still got the uniqueness factor going for it.

    I remember reading somewhere that they wore Steelers unis for games they played at Forbes Field and Cards unis for the Comiskey Park games. Unfortunately, I have no recollection of where I read that and I don’ remember there being any information about what they did for road games.

  • Kek | December 17, 2009 at 12:08 pm |

    Great column on the Steelers. Also, great shots of that year they went with the black nameplate lettering, i hated, hated, HATED that!

    I was recently looking for photos, but couldn’t remember the year.

  • Pretty Boy Paulie | December 17, 2009 at 12:09 pm |

    WOW. I do like the concept of the Marlins homerun celebratory pop-up but the actual art used is it bit strange. It definitely put a smile on my face though….not in a good way. It made me think of the “French Mistake” sequence at the end of “Blazing Saddles.”

  • LI Phil | December 17, 2009 at 12:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”367202″]
    I remember reading somewhere that they wore Steelers unis for games they played at Forbes Field and Cards unis for the Comiskey Park games. Unfortunately, I have no recollection of where I read that and I don’ remember there being any information about what they did for road games.[/quote]

    you read it here, most likely…and no one is even sure whose white jerseys they wore…too bad ricko wasn’t making kid-cards then

  • Paul Lukas | December 17, 2009 at 12:12 pm |

    The answer to what Card-Pitt wore is here on the site, in our breakdown of early pro football uni designs:
    http://www.uniwatchb...

  • don d. | December 17, 2009 at 12:12 pm |

    I needed that Shhhh jersey for the guy that sat behind me last year at the Sharks games. He talked the whole game long.

  • JTH | December 17, 2009 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”367205″][quote comment=”367202″]
    I remember reading somewhere that they wore Steelers unis for games they played at Forbes Field and Cards unis for the Comiskey Park games. Unfortunately, I have no recollection of where I read that and I don’ remember there being any information about what they did for road games.[/quote]

    you read it here, most likely…and no one is even sure whose white jerseys they wore…too bad ricko wasn’t making kid-cards then[/quote]
    Damn. I was looking for that in the archives, but I couldn’t remember when it was posted. I should’ve figured it was around Super Bowl time.

    But I actually read something very recently about the Carpets (like, within the last two weeks).

  • Lou G | December 17, 2009 at 12:22 pm |

    Hey Josh… Really cool Washington Expose jerseys. The partly-open zipper hemline stripe is very funny. (Liked your Mets and Isles jerseys too. Keep up the good work.)

    – Lou

  • The Jeff | December 17, 2009 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    I’m really wondering about how long that “cutesy font” lasted. It bothers me I’d never heard about/seen that before. Are there any in-game shots of that? The magazine cover is from July of 74, so it’s possible that logo never even made it onto the field.

  • Fight | December 17, 2009 at 12:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”367168″]any word on whether the bengals will be having one of these?[/quote]
    according to the Bengals (http://www.bengals.c...) it looks like they will have a sticker on the helmet in memoriam

  • Josh | December 17, 2009 at 12:51 pm |

    Re: ESPN column: Did Iowa ever wear a one-sided helmet logo or consider switching fonts?

  • mike 2 | December 17, 2009 at 1:03 pm |

    Phil and everyone else responsible, thanks for setting up the bowl pool. This should be a lot of fun.

    (219 entrants as of right now, I’m now ranked 127th which is likely as close to the top as I’ll ever get)

  • patrick | December 17, 2009 at 1:03 pm |

    That A’s jersey from 2003 is the same template as the Mets jersey that was posted a couple days ago that I found in the 2006 NLCS. Wonder how many teams Nike made that for?

  • JimV19 | December 17, 2009 at 1:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”367191″][quote comment=”367189″]Know what just struck me?

    Taking the specifics of Chris Henry and football out of my post #52, almost the same could be said of Tiger Woods.

    And he HAD someone in his life teaching him…his dad.

    Has anyone checked to see if there’s any correlation between the beginning of Woods’ philandering and the father’s death?

    Or it is simply a condition endemic to all young athletes with huge amounts of money?

    The answer, of course, is “Yes.” Tiger just had seemed to be somehow immune to it.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Now obviously history can be changed in hindsight, but at least in this article, Maurice Jones-Drew seems to be one young player who bucks that trend.
    http://sports.yahoo....

    Nice article.

    Rest in peace, Chris Henry, and keep up the good work, Maurice.

  • Josh Jedwab | December 17, 2009 at 1:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”367209″]Hey Josh… Really cool Washington Expose jerseys. The partly-open zipper hemline stripe is very funny. (Liked your Mets and Isles jerseys too. Keep up the good work.)

    – Lou[/quote]

    Thank you very much.

  • JimV19 | December 17, 2009 at 1:11 pm |

    Loved seeing those Sears action figures! I had a Steeler one as a kid – started out as Lynn Swann, then I turned him into Louis Lipps.

    And that Fleer sticker project is amazing. I have some of those Fleer NFL action cards.
    http://fleersticker....

    If anyone else has some of those, let’s talk. I have plenty of regular old cards I’d love to trade for them.

  • JimV19 | December 17, 2009 at 1:18 pm |

    Kek, you got room for a yinzer wannabe at your gathering? The 7th might just be a possibility.

    Wish Minnesota was only a 2-hour drive as well…

    Oh, and Kek, came across this footage of a Pitt hoops game from the early 80s. If the small screen doesn’t play it, click on “View Large Screen.” http://tv4u.com/show...

    The site also has a very young Keith Jackson calling a game between Colorado and Washington:
    http://tv4u.com/show...

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 1:20 pm |

    L.C. Greenwood gets a lot of credit for introducing colored shoes. Granted, because of the bright athletic-gold and the fact the Steelers got so much air time, that’s to be expected.

    But there were plenty of others who did it first. In the early ’70s Ron Johnson of the Giants wore royal blue pumas (RB Billy Taylor at Michigan, too). So did Giants Pete Athas and Rocky Thompson (or whatever his name was, KR, #22). Vic Washington and Johnny Fuller of 49ers wore red adidas and Riddells, respectively. Vern Studdard of Jets wore kelly pumas. I’ll check on others when I get home.

    And also, kelly green Spot Bilts were team issue at home for the Eagles in 1969. Have several color photos (including the ’69 patch), but can’t access flickr from work (I know I’ve emailed at least one of the photos to TimmyB, so perhaps he could post it before I’m able to).

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 1:25 pm |

    Ron Johnson, Giants, royal pumas…
    http://assets.giants...

  • JimV19 | December 17, 2009 at 1:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”367163″]Late in yesterday’s thread, JimV19 took us to some vintage NFL video on youtube.

    On there was the music intro CBS used from 1966 (and probably earlier) thru 1973 in various renditions. It was called “Confidence” and I thought – and still think it was the greatest football tune ev-er.

    Until 1968, CBS actually used split audio for its football telecasts. So if say Ricko was watching his Vikings play the Packers in Green Bay in 1963 or thereabouts, he would hear the call of Herb Carneal and Clayton Tonnemaker, while viewers on the Green Bay side not blacked out would hear Ray Scott and Tony Canadeo on the call.

    I know, I’m going waaaaay off topic here, but the sports TV-radio biz I hold almost as near and dear to my heart as the unis.[/quote]

    Same here, timmy b.

    Here is the video: http://www.youtube.c...

    And here are the classic videos for the NBC and CBS broadcasts in the 70s:

    http://www.youtube.c...

    http://www.youtube.c...

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 1:33 pm |

    Billy Taylor, Michigan, royal pumas…
    http://isportsweb.co...
    (which he got from Ron Johnson, a former Wolverine, when the two worked out during the off season).

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | December 17, 2009 at 1:36 pm |

    Great ESPN article, Paul.

    That’s also cool what you and Scott did for that couple’s wedding.

    By the way, I think the nurse in your vaccination story was hitting on you.

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 1:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”367221″][quote comment=”367163″]Late in yesterday’s thread, JimV19 took us to some vintage NFL video on youtube.

    On there was the music intro CBS used from 1966 (and probably earlier) thru 1973 in various renditions. It was called “Confidence” and I thought – and still think it was the greatest football tune ev-er.

    Until 1968, CBS actually used split audio for its football telecasts. So if say Ricko was watching his Vikings play the Packers in Green Bay in 1963 or thereabouts, he would hear the call of Herb Carneal and Clayton Tonnemaker, while viewers on the Green Bay side not blacked out would hear Ray Scott and Tony Canadeo on the call.

    I know, I’m going waaaaay off topic here, but the sports TV-radio biz I hold almost as near and dear to my heart as the unis.[/quote]

    Same here, timmy b.

    Here is the video: http://www.youtube.c...

    And here are the classic videos for the NBC and CBS broadcasts in the 70s:

    http://www.youtube.c...

    http://www.youtube.c...
    [quote comment=”367221″][quote comment=”367163″]Late in yesterday’s thread, JimV19 took us to some vintage NFL video on youtube.

    On there was the music intro CBS used from 1966 (and probably earlier) thru 1973 in various renditions. It was called “Confidence” and I thought – and still think it was the greatest football tune ev-er.

    Until 1968, CBS actually used split audio for its football telecasts. So if say Ricko was watching his Vikings play the Packers in Green Bay in 1963 or thereabouts, he would hear the call of Herb Carneal and Clayton Tonnemaker, while viewers on the Green Bay side not blacked out would hear Ray Scott and Tony Canadeo on the call.

    I know, I’m going waaaaay off topic here, but the sports TV-radio biz I hold almost as near and dear to my heart as the unis.[/quote]

    Same here, timmy b.

    Here is the video: http://www.youtube.c...

    And here are the classic videos for the NBC and CBS broadcasts in the 70s:

    http://www.youtube.c...

    http://www.youtube.c...

    I also pointed last night that the music wasn’t original for CBS. It’s a commercial library needledrop that later we used in a chainsaw TV spot, for one. We used it a couple times for local radio spots, sending up football, for only the cost of a one-market needledrop.

    —Ricko

  • Joe Hilseberg | December 17, 2009 at 1:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    “But only one team has never worn the captaincy patches: the Steelers.”

    I can say with 99.9% certainty that the Ravens have also never worn it…even in preseason.

  • Paul Lukas | December 17, 2009 at 1:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”367219″]L.C. Greenwood gets a lot of credit for introducing colored shoes. Granted, because of the bright athletic-gold and the fact the Steelers got so much air time, that’s to be expected.

    But there were plenty of others who did it first. In the early ’70s Ron Johnson of the Giants wore royal blue pumas (RB Billy Taylor at Michigan, too). So did Giants Pete Athas and Rocky Thompson (or whatever his name was, KR, #22). Vic Washington and Johnny Fuller of 49ers wore red adidas and Riddells, respectively. Vern Studdard of Jets wore kelly pumas. I’ll check on others when I get home.

    And also, kelly green Spot Bilts were team issue at home for the Eagles in 1969. Have several color photos (including the ’69 patch), but can’t access flickr from work (I know I’ve emailed at least one of the photos to TimmyB, so perhaps he could post it before I’m able to).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Fair points, all. But nobody cared what Pete Athas was wearing. A *lot* of people care about what L.C. Greenwood was wearing.

  • Christopher | December 17, 2009 at 1:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”367210″][quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    I’m really wondering about how long that “cutesy font” lasted. It bothers me I’d never heard about/seen that before. Are there any in-game shots of that? The magazine cover is from July of 74, so it’s possible that logo never even made it onto the field.[/quote]

    I wonder as well. Was it their official logo? Was it on letterheads and the like, and was that wordmark used elsewhere?

  • Sean | December 17, 2009 at 1:42 pm |

    In regards to the ESPN article. I’m pretty positive the Patriots have never worn the captaincy patches, could be wrong though.

  • Paul Lukas | December 17, 2009 at 1:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”367225″][quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    “But only one team has never worn the captaincy patches: the Steelers.”

    I can say with 99.9% certainty that the Ravens have also never worn it…even in preseason.[/quote]

    Interesting — I was not aware of that. Someone else just wrote to me to tell me the Pats have never worn it either. Need to double-check these. Never heard either of those teams mentioned regarding the “C” patches.

    Mea cupla(e)!

  • concealed78 | December 17, 2009 at 1:44 pm |

    I have my own trivia project to ask but it’s not uni related but more old Veterans Stadium related.

  • Marty | December 17, 2009 at 1:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”367211″][quote comment=”367168″]any word on whether the bengals will be having one of these?[/quote]
    according to the Bengals (http://www.bengals.c...) it looks like they will have a sticker on the helmet in memoriam[/quote]

    A few more details on the Bengals patch here: http://espn.go.com/b...

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 17, 2009 at 1:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”367201″][quote comment=”367187″][quote comment=”367185″][quote comment=”367182″]Bizarre backboard support system.

    That was a pretty standard backboard support in the 70s and 80s. Most arenas have gone with Hydra-Ribs since they were developed in the 80s.

    Since Danny Ainge is with BYU here, that would place the year around 80-81, which makes sense given the supports and the ASU untucked jerseys (a big late-70s trend).

    Hence, pre-Hydra-Rib.[/quote]

    Was Danny Ainge really playing college basketball at the same time he was playing for the Blue Jays? You can be a pro in one sport while maintaining college eligibility in another?[/quote]
    John Elway played 1b in the Yankees organization before his senior year at Stanford, so sure, at least in the ’80s.[/quote]

    Thanks for that. I don’t know a ton about eligibility, but given how many stories I’ve read about athletes losing eligibility for minor infractions I assumed that being a pro athlete (even in another sport) would be absolutely verboten.[/quote]
    Chris Weinke played minor league baseball for a few years before playing football at Florida State. There are a couple of other examples like him that escape me at the moment.

  • LI Phil | December 17, 2009 at 1:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”367229″][quote comment=”367225″][quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    “But only one team has never worn the captaincy patches: the Steelers.”

    I can say with 99.9% certainty that the Ravens have also never worn it…even in preseason.[/quote]

    Interesting — I was not aware of that. Someone else just wrote to me to tell me the Pats have never worn it either. Need to double-check these. Never heard either of those teams mentioned regarding the “C” patches.

    Mea cupla(e)![/quote]

    apparently the number of captains (and hency, captaincy patches) varies:

    Six teams decided not to honor their captains with that season-long designation in 2007, opting to select them on a weekly basis. That number dipped to four teams in 2008. But there are eight teams that have decided to go the weekly route in 2009: Atlanta, Baltimore, Green Bay, Jacksonville, the New York Jets, Oakland, Philadelphia and St. Louis.

    source

    does this mean none of the teams wear the patches, or do the designated “weekly” captains get the patch for that game?

    anyone know the protocol?

  • Mike Engle | December 17, 2009 at 1:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”367232″][quote comment=”367201″][quote comment=”367187″][quote comment=”367185″][quote comment=”367182″]Bizarre backboard support system.

    That was a pretty standard backboard support in the 70s and 80s. Most arenas have gone with Hydra-Ribs since they were developed in the 80s.

    Since Danny Ainge is with BYU here, that would place the year around 80-81, which makes sense given the supports and the ASU untucked jerseys (a big late-70s trend).

    Hence, pre-Hydra-Rib.[/quote]

    Was Danny Ainge really playing college basketball at the same time he was playing for the Blue Jays? You can be a pro in one sport while maintaining college eligibility in another?[/quote]
    John Elway played 1b in the Yankees organization before his senior year at Stanford, so sure, at least in the ’80s.[/quote]

    Thanks for that. I don’t know a ton about eligibility, but given how many stories I’ve read about athletes losing eligibility for minor infractions I assumed that being a pro athlete (even in another sport) would be absolutely verboten.[/quote]
    Chris Weinke played minor league baseball for a few years before playing football at Florida State. There are a couple of other examples like him that escape me at the moment.[/quote]
    A dime a dozen. Old school example: John Lucas, Jr (the last Cleveland Cavaliers coach NOT to have LeBron, and, of course, father to former Baylor/OK State star John III) played university basketball at Maryland while playing World Team Tennis on the side, for money.

  • Aaron WiggVAN | December 17, 2009 at 1:58 pm |

    Good catch:
    ‘Kevin Dull found something odd in a Twin Cities shop: a winter cap in Gophers colors but with a Michigan M. “It was tagged with the NCAA license and everything,” he says’

    However while the hat is in Minnesota colors and the Michigan block “M” I’d imagine it’s a hat for the University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs. Who oddly enough used this style for a while instead of the Minnesota “M”

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 2:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”367226″][quote comment=”367219″]L.C. Greenwood gets a lot of credit for introducing colored shoes. Granted, because of the bright athletic-gold and the fact the Steelers got so much air time, that’s to be expected.

    But there were plenty of others who did it first. In the early ’70s Ron Johnson of the Giants wore royal blue pumas (RB Billy Taylor at Michigan, too). So did Giants Pete Athas and Rocky Thompson (or whatever his name was, KR, #22). Vic Washington and Johnny Fuller of 49ers wore red adidas and Riddells, respectively. Vern Studdard of Jets wore kelly pumas. I’ll check on others when I get home.

    And also, kelly green Spot Bilts were team issue at home for the Eagles in 1969. Have several color photos (including the ’69 patch), but can’t access flickr from work (I know I’ve emailed at least one of the photos to TimmyB, so perhaps he could post it before I’m able to).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Fair points, all. But nobody cared what Pete Athas was wearing. A *lot* of people care about what L.C. Greenwood was wearing.[/quote]

    Oh, absolutely. I said I understood why he got the attention, no question about it. He just wasn’t first to do it, but sure was the first to get credit (likewise, Fred “The Hammer” Williamson wore white cleats his last season with Raiders, a year before Namath wore them as a Jets rookie, but Namath usually is cited for “introducing” them to pro football).

    Just saying we uni geeks often spot such things elsewhere earlier. Cuz that’s what we do.

    LOL, evidently not too many people cared about what the Eagles wore in ’69 , either, because an entire team in green cleats at home for an entire season drew virtually no mention whatsoever.

    But Greenwood shows up in yellow-gold high tops on national TV with the becoming-legendary Steelers and everyone says, “Wow, colored cleats!”

    That’s just kinda how the world works.

    —Ricko

  • Hott Rodd | December 17, 2009 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”367229″][quote comment=”367225″][quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    “But only one team has never worn the captaincy patches: the Steelers.”

    I can say with 99.9% certainty that the Ravens have also never worn it…even in preseason.[/quote]

    Interesting — I was not aware of that. Someone else just wrote to me to tell me the Pats have never worn it either. Need to double-check these. Never heard either of those teams mentioned regarding the “C” patches.

    Mea cupla(e)![/quote]

    I’m fairly sure the cowboys have never worn this incarnation of the patch.

  • LI Phil | December 17, 2009 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”367231″][quote comment=”367211″][quote comment=”367168″]any word on whether the bengals will be having one of these?[/quote]
    according to the Bengals (http://www.bengals.c...) it looks like they will have a sticker on the helmet in memoriam[/quote]

    A few more details on the Bengals patch here: http://espn.go.com/b...

    from the comments in that article:

    i think the whole nfl should wear a decal.

    that didn’t take long

  • Hott Rodd | December 17, 2009 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”367238″][quote comment=”367231″][quote comment=”367211″][quote comment=”367168″]any word on whether the bengals will be having one of these?[/quote]
    according to the Bengals (http://www.bengals.c...) it looks like they will have a sticker on the helmet in memoriam[/quote]

    A few more details on the Bengals patch here: http://espn.go.com/b...

    from the comments in that article:

    i think the whole nfl should wear a decal.

    that didn’t take long[/quote]

    So does this mean I can just turn my Sean Taylor 21 upside down?

  • JasonL | December 17, 2009 at 2:08 pm |

    The Eagles have also ne[quote comment=”367229″][quote comment=”367225″][quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    “But only one team has never worn the captaincy patches: the Steelers.”

    I can say with 99.9% certainty that the Ravens have also never worn it…even in preseason.[/quote]

    Interesting — I was not aware of that. Someone else just wrote to me to tell me the Pats have never worn it either. Need to double-check these. Never heard either of those teams mentioned regarding the “C” patches.

    Mea cupla(e)![/quote]

    the Eagles have also never worn the “C” Captain patches.

  • leon | December 17, 2009 at 2:14 pm |

    Joe Washington
    U of Oklahoma
    silver shoes
    http://picasaweb.goo...

  • Joe D | December 17, 2009 at 2:18 pm |

    Great read on ESPN today Paul.

    I know you mentioned Iowa borrowing the Steelers uniforms. I wonder if you’ve ever seen St. Vincent College football. St. Vincent’s is in Latrobe, PA and has hosted the Steelers training camp for more than 40 years. They got a new football program the last few years and the field is even named Chuck Noll Field. The school colors are green and gold, but if you look at the pictures and substitute the green for black, the unis might look familiar. They even have their Bearcat logo on only the right side of the helmet.

    http://www.stvincent...

  • mike 2 | December 17, 2009 at 2:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”367238″][quote comment=”367231″][quote comment=”367211″][quote comment=”367168″]any word on whether the bengals will be having one of these?[/quote]
    according to the Bengals (http://www.bengals.c...) it looks like they will have a sticker on the helmet in memoriam[/quote]

    A few more details on the Bengals patch here: http://espn.go.com/b...

    from the comments in that article:

    i think the whole nfl should wear a decal.

    that didn’t take long[/quote]

    Its only thursday. By Sunday the entire league (plus perhaps the NBA) will be wearing 15.

  • Tom Hedrick | December 17, 2009 at 2:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”367225″][quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    “But only one team has never worn the captaincy patches: the Steelers.”

    I can say with 99.9% certainty that the Ravens have also never worn it…even in preseason.[/quote]

    Correct, the Ravens haven’t worn them either.

  • JimV19 | December 17, 2009 at 2:24 pm |

    The newest team to the International Basketball League is the Albany Legends http://www.iblhoopso...
    a team that will play at the historic Washington Avenue Armory. http://www.iblhoopso...

    The Armory was home to the Albany Patroons for many years. Here’s a photos from the 80s, with Phil Jackson, I do believe: http://www.iblhoopso...

    The IBL is cool – better than the NBA in some ways, in my opinion. Only one timeout per quarter, a 22-second shot clock, fast high-scoring games that remind you of the NBA in the 80s.

    Okay, I might be a little biased…I worked for the Cuyahoga Falls Cougars back in the ’06 season, which was the league’s second. Still, if there’s an IBL game in your town, check it out some time.

    Here’s the league website: http://www.iblhoopso...

  • TommyD | December 17, 2009 at 2:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”367244″][quote comment=”367225″][quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    “But only one team has never worn the captaincy patches: the Steelers.”

    I can say with 99.9% certainty that the Ravens have also never worn it…even in preseason.
    [/quote]

    The Eagles never wore them either

    hopefully they will be gone in a few years, they are quite silly

    Correct, the Ravens haven’t worn them either.[/quote]

  • TommyD | December 17, 2009 at 2:34 pm |

    captaincy patches

    the Eagles never wore them either

  • rpm | December 17, 2009 at 2:35 pm |

    ricko~
    am i correct when i assume that the 1946 chicago cubs wore the cincinnati c? or had they changed caps to the rounded c? either way i know it is sans superfluous tee vee stroke. might not find your response on the boards…rpmarshallart@gmaildotcom
    ~robert

  • leon | December 17, 2009 at 2:36 pm |

    bruce allen introduced as new ‘skins GM. (trying to work up enthusiasm about this)

  • Greg V. | December 17, 2009 at 2:37 pm |

    Someone asked earlier….yes, the Bengals did announce they will be wearing a 15 sticker on thier helmets this sunday in San Diego and, I assume, for the rest of the season.

  • Mike Engle | December 17, 2009 at 2:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”367249″]bruce allen introduced as new ‘skins GM. (trying to work up enthusiasm about this)[/quote]
    Ladies and gentlemen, the Washington Macacas!

  • TommyD | December 17, 2009 at 2:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”367230″]I have my own trivia project to ask but it’s not uni related but more old Veterans Stadium related.[/quote]

    I need more on this

    I met my wife in section 732

  • Bruce | December 17, 2009 at 2:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    You are wrong about the Steelers being the only team that hasn’t worn the captaincy patches. The Patriots have not worn them either.

  • TommyD | December 17, 2009 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”367252″][quote comment=”367230″]I have my own trivia project to ask but it’s not uni related but more old Veterans Stadium related.[/quote]

    I need more on this

    I met my wife in section 732[/quote]

    on topic a bit…
    we used a close up crop of a “philadelphia number” in the frame and showed the full picture on the back of the frame at each table

    we had “uniform” related numbers for 3 tables

    5 donovan mcnabb
    12 randall cunningham
    13 wilt chamberlain

  • Mike Engle | December 17, 2009 at 2:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”367253″][quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    You are wrong about the Steelers being the only team that hasn’t worn the captaincy patches. The Patriots have not worn them either.[/quote]
    Speaking of the article, were the black NOB’s on white tops really for one year? I thought it was only for the first week or two of the redesign before they got replaced. And good move to replace them. Methinks without the yellow NOB’s, the white tops in all-black cartoon font look like practice jerseys.

  • patrick | December 17, 2009 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”367214″]That A’s jersey from 2003 is the same template as the Mets jersey that was posted a couple days ago that I found in the 2006 NLCS. Wonder how many teams Nike made that for?[/quote]

    I might be the only one who cares about this, but here’s the Cardinals hockey-fied…having trouble finding much more though.

    http://sportsmagick....

  • Skycat | December 17, 2009 at 2:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”367242″]Great read on ESPN today Paul.

    I know you mentioned Iowa borrowing the Steelers uniforms. I wonder if you’ve ever seen St. Vincent College football. St. Vincent’s is in Latrobe, PA and has hosted the Steelers training camp for more than 40 years. They got a new football program the last few years and the field is even named Chuck Noll Field. The school colors are green and gold, but if you look at the pictures and substitute the green for black, the unis might look familiar. They even have their Bearcat logo on only the right side of the helmet.

    http://www.stvincent...
    In addition to Iowa copying the Steelers’ look, a similar case may be made for Duke’s football uniforms vis-a-vis those of the Colts.

  • concealed78 | December 17, 2009 at 2:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”367252″][quote comment=”367230″]I have my own trivia project to ask but it’s not uni related but more old Veterans Stadium related.[/quote]

    I need more on this

    I met my wife in section 732[/quote]

    story: In the early 1990s I was watching “TWIB” on WGN and they showed old footage at the Vet. I barely remember seeing something on the upper outfield wall, very blurry & thought maybe it was Phil & Phyllis cartoon graphics, forgot about it for years, only to think of it randomly not too long ago, and by incredibly lucky random ebay search, found this photo with Manny Trillo, circa 1980:

    http://img31.imagesh...

    It didn’t show up anywhere on any ’80 playoff pics & always thought this was an incredibly random stadium mural; especially in that era. I’ve asked around and nobody has an answer for me yet.

  • concealed78 | December 17, 2009 at 3:03 pm |

    con’t.
    Then later a trip the Fleer Sticker Project blog produced the only other image of this from a 1981 Fleer sticker set that I can find:

    http://img163.images...

    I’ve searched the web for hours and these two were all I could find.

  • Max | December 17, 2009 at 3:11 pm |

    Source: 700WLW-AM Cincinnati

    The Bengals will be wearing a helmet decal and the coaches wearing a pin in memory of Chris Henry.

    Not being unsympathetic, but I hope this doesn’t turn into a Sean Taylor love-fest.

  • TommyD | December 17, 2009 at 3:11 pm |

    http://img31.imagesh...

    It’s obviously the city skyline in some sort of montage (the art museum “rocky” steps on the left and city hall on the right) but I can’t say that I remember it.

    I’m probably stating the obvious here, but there were tarps across the folded up football stands behind the entire outfield wall. With the bullpens being right behind the wall in far left and right field.

    Those tarps in the early years usually had the round emblems of the national league teams. Later on, they included the division, national league and one WS banner plus the retired numbers… Schmidt, Bunning, Carlton, Roberts, Ashburn and before it was imploded, Jackie Robinson.

    http://www.carmelpro...

    I would say maybe it might be for the bicentennial, but Trillo didn’t get here til after 1976. I have a tribute to the Vet DVD at home I’ll watch it and see if there are any shots of that unique backdrop.

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 3:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”367257″][quote comment=”367242″]Great read on ESPN today Paul.

    I know you mentioned Iowa borrowing the Steelers uniforms. I wonder if you’ve ever seen St. Vincent College football. St. Vincent’s is in Latrobe, PA and has hosted the Steelers training camp for more than 40 years. They got a new football program the last few years and the field is even named Chuck Noll Field. The school colors are green and gold, but if you look at the pictures and substitute the green for black, the unis might look familiar. They even have their Bearcat logo on only the right side of the helmet.

    http://www.stvincent...
    In addition to Iowa copying the Steelers’ look, a similar case may be made for Duke’s football uniforms vis-a-vis those of the Colts.[/quote]

    And for many, many years Nebraska looked like the Colts except in red and white.
    http://www.corbisima...
    All stuff right out of the catalogs back then.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 3:22 pm |

    Steelers and Iowa looked alike in the ’50s, too… http://gazetteonline...

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 3:25 pm |

    Ooops, first photo is Iowa…
    http://gazetteonline...

  • Kaptain K | December 17, 2009 at 3:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”367209″]Hey Josh… Really cool Washington Expose jerseys. The partly-open zipper hemline stripe is very funny. (Liked your Mets and Isles jerseys too. Keep up the good work.)

    – Lou[/quote]

    Yes, the zipper stripe is hilarious! Nice job on all of it, the powder blue away jersey, the logo treatment and number font; well done Josh!

  • Kaptain K | December 17, 2009 at 3:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”367251″][quote comment=”367249″]bruce allen introduced as new ‘skins GM. (trying to work up enthusiasm about this)[/quote]
    Ladies and gentlemen, the Washington Macacas![/quote]

    Can’t wait to see that hockey jersey!

  • Bob Loblaw | December 17, 2009 at 3:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”367219″]L.C. Greenwood gets a lot of credit for introducing colored shoes. Granted, because of the bright athletic-gold and the fact the Steelers got so much air time, that’s to be expected.

    But there were plenty of others who did it first. In the early ’70s Ron Johnson of the Giants wore royal blue pumas (RB Billy Taylor at Michigan, too). So did Giants Pete Athas and Rocky Thompson (or whatever his name was, KR, #22). Vic Washington and Johnny Fuller of 49ers wore red adidas and Riddells, respectively. Vern Studdard of Jets wore kelly pumas. I’ll check on others when I get home.

    And also, kelly green Spot Bilts were team issue at home for the Eagles in 1969. Have several color photos (including the ’69 patch), but can’t access flickr from work (I know I’ve emailed at least one of the photos to TimmyB, so perhaps he could post it before I’m able to).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    wow Ricko…

    you killed me w/ this post! I’d forgotten how many Michigan RunningBacks the Giants had been associated w/. ron johnson, billy taylor, jerrod bunch ——- yikes.

  • Brad | December 17, 2009 at 3:30 pm |

    Paul love the Page 2 today.
    But also like Iowa and apparently St. Vincent College another college team used an NFL template.
    When Bill Snyder took over at Kansas State he had been with Haden Fry for a while. And he too adopted the “to be a winner you need to look like a winner” attitude. That is why Kansas State looks like the Dallas Cowboys. (Until Ron Prince screwed the uniforms and the team up). Just switch the Cowboy Blue for K-State Purple. (I know, I know…Sorry about the purple)

    Shown here:
    http://www.dallascow...

    http://www.nationalc...

  • JimV19 | December 17, 2009 at 3:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”367262″][quote comment=”367257″][quote comment=”367242″]Great read on ESPN today Paul.

    I know you mentioned Iowa borrowing the Steelers uniforms. I wonder if you’ve ever seen St. Vincent College football. St. Vincent’s is in Latrobe, PA and has hosted the Steelers training camp for more than 40 years. They got a new football program the last few years and the field is even named Chuck Noll Field. The school colors are green and gold, but if you look at the pictures and substitute the green for black, the unis might look familiar. They even have their Bearcat logo on only the right side of the helmet.

    http://www.stvincent...
    In addition to Iowa copying the Steelers’ look, a similar case may be made for Duke’s football uniforms vis-a-vis those of the Colts.[/quote]

    And for many, many years Nebraska looked like the Colts except in red and white.
    http://www.corbisima...
    All stuff right out of the catalogs back then.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Man, that is a fantastic look…all the way down to those cool Pumas!

    Great photo.

  • Bob Loblaw | December 17, 2009 at 3:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”367252″][quote comment=”367230″]I have my own trivia project to ask but it’s not uni related but more old Veterans Stadium related.[/quote]

    I need more on this

    I met my wife in section 732[/quote]

    was she booing santa? or egging andy reid?
    sorry, disgruntled giant fan simply venting! :)

  • TommyD | December 17, 2009 at 3:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”367271″][quote comment=”367252″][quote comment=”367230″]I have my own trivia project to ask but it’s not uni related but more old Veterans Stadium related.[/quote]

    I need more on this

    I met my wife in section 732[/quote]

    was she booing santa? or egging andy reid?
    sorry, disgruntled giant fan simply venting! :)[/quote]

    no worries,

    Even after we choke again and lose yet another NFC title game this year, we will have a sweep of the Giants to look back on as a good memory of 2009

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 3:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”367268″][quote comment=”367219″]L.C. Greenwood gets a lot of credit for introducing colored shoes. Granted, because of the bright athletic-gold and the fact the Steelers got so much air time, that’s to be expected.

    But there were plenty of others who did it first. In the early ’70s Ron Johnson of the Giants wore royal blue pumas (RB Billy Taylor at Michigan, too). So did Giants Pete Athas and Rocky Thompson (or whatever his name was, KR, #22). Vic Washington and Johnny Fuller of 49ers wore red adidas and Riddells, respectively. Vern Studdard of Jets wore kelly pumas. I’ll check on others when I get home.

    And also, kelly green Spot Bilts were team issue at home for the Eagles in 1969. Have several color photos (including the ’69 patch), but can’t access flickr from work (I know I’ve emailed at least one of the photos to TimmyB, so perhaps he could post it before I’m able to).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    wow Ricko…

    you killed me w/ this post! I’d forgotten how many Michigan RunningBacks the Giants had been associated w/. ron johnson, billy taylor, jerrod bunch ——- yikes.[/quote]

    Tyrone Wheatley? Joe Morris?
    Right?

  • Bob Loblaw | December 17, 2009 at 3:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”367262″][quote comment=”367257″][quote comment=”367242″]Great read on ESPN today Paul.

    I know you mentioned Iowa borrowing the Steelers uniforms. I wonder if you’ve ever seen St. Vincent College football. St. Vincent’s is in Latrobe, PA and has hosted the Steelers training camp for more than 40 years. They got a new football program the last few years and the field is even named Chuck Noll Field. The school colors are green and gold, but if you look at the pictures and substitute the green for black, the unis might look familiar. They even have their Bearcat logo on only the right side of the helmet.

    http://www.stvincent...
    In addition to Iowa copying the Steelers’ look, a similar case may be made for Duke’s football uniforms vis-a-vis those of the Colts.[/quote]

    And for many, many years Nebraska looked like the Colts except in red and white.
    http://www.corbisima...
    All stuff right out of the catalogs back then.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    That came thru on the old Kodak All American team from the middle 70’s that were posted here on the comments section at the weekend. I remarked to myself how sharp they looked– a throwback’able style, eh?

  • Paul Lukas | December 17, 2009 at 3:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”367273″][quote comment=”367268″][quote comment=”367219″]L.C. Greenwood gets a lot of credit for introducing colored shoes. Granted, because of the bright athletic-gold and the fact the Steelers got so much air time, that’s to be expected.

    But there were plenty of others who did it first. In the early ’70s Ron Johnson of the Giants wore royal blue pumas (RB Billy Taylor at Michigan, too). So did Giants Pete Athas and Rocky Thompson (or whatever his name was, KR, #22). Vic Washington and Johnny Fuller of 49ers wore red adidas and Riddells, respectively. Vern Studdard of Jets wore kelly pumas. I’ll check on others when I get home.

    And also, kelly green Spot Bilts were team issue at home for the Eagles in 1969. Have several color photos (including the ’69 patch), but can’t access flickr from work (I know I’ve emailed at least one of the photos to TimmyB, so perhaps he could post it before I’m able to).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    wow Ricko…

    you killed me w/ this post! I’d forgotten how many Michigan RunningBacks the Giants had been associated w/. ron johnson, billy taylor, jerrod bunch ——- yikes.[/quote]

    Tyrone Wheatley? Joe Morris?
    Right?[/quote]

    Don’t forget Butch Woolfolk!

  • Bob Loblaw | December 17, 2009 at 3:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”367272″][quote comment=”367271″][quote comment=”367252″][quote comment=”367230″]I have my own trivia project to ask but it’s not uni related but more old Veterans Stadium related.[/quote]

    I need more on this

    I met my wife in section 732[/quote]

    was she booing santa? or egging andy reid?
    sorry, disgruntled giant fan simply venting! :)[/quote]

    no worries,

    Even after we choke again and lose yet another NFC title game this year, we will have a sweep of the Giants to look back on as a good memory of 2009[/quote]

    Our rivalry (along w/ ours & skins) is caracterized by the ‘brief domination’ for a few years. for instance, we’ve had your number for a few years and then the pendulum would swing in the other direction. IIRC, you guys owned us when Randall was making Carls Banks tackle thin air, we eventually had a bit of success w/ the iggles.. but these last few years are ridiculous!

    I can’t hate Don as he’s a fellow SU alum, but gosh, I wish he’d move out of town!!!!

  • BJ | December 17, 2009 at 3:53 pm |

    The Expos ballpark at the end of that calendar wasn’t a renovated Olympic Stadium. It was a new ballpark design that was proposed by their owner Jeff Loria (current Marlins owner). Google “Labatt Park” and you’ll find that artist rendering. I always thought the design was refreshing because at the time, retro ballparks were all the rage (they still are I guess), and in my opinion, the line between classic and kitsch was crossed after the Ballpark in Arlington opened. I think stealing/copying design elements from classic ballparks is just plain old unoriginal (see Citi Field). The Labatt Park design, while nothing spectacular, was at the very least an attempt to create a contemporary design. For all I know, its utilitarian design may have been attributed to financial constraints, but I think the design fit nicely with the team’s history (a tribute to Expo 67) while providing a better version of a modern stadium (Olympic Stadium=watching a baseball game inside of a spaceship).

  • Bob Loblaw | December 17, 2009 at 3:57 pm |

    I hope Jerry Reese is reading this today…..
    ‘JERRY, PLEASE, NO MORE MICHIGAN RBs’ !!!!!

    Johnson, Taylor, Woolfolk, Wheatley, Bunch, —- not great pro in the bunch!!!!

    ricko — fyi: Joe Morris was a Syracuse alum.

  • leon | December 17, 2009 at 4:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”367278″]I hope Jerry Reese is reading this today…..
    ‘JERRY, PLEASE, NO MORE MICHIGAN RBs’ !!!!!

    Johnson, Taylor, Woolfolk, Wheatley, Bunch, —- not great pro in the bunch!!!!

    ricko — fyi: Joe Morris was a Syracuse alum.[/quote]
    Jamie Morris went to Michigan (played for skins).

  • KT | December 17, 2009 at 4:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”367186″]One other thing. As the circmstances of Henry’s demise come to light, the Bengals and others truly do need to understand those circumstances do—and should—influence the way someone ought to be remembered or memorialized.
    [/quote]

    In your opinion.

    We don’t get to choose how someone else – especially 52+ other someones who actually [i]knew[/i] the deceased – get to memorialize someone. It doesn’t have to meet [i]our[/i] standards. It only has to meet [i]theirs[/i]. I realize we’re going to start the whole Steve McNair nonsense again, but, really…these types of things are exactly as much, if not more, about the healing process for those left behind (who often have a much different view of the departed than we – who, let’s be honest, do not meet these people – do) than they are about whether or not they meet our personal conduct standards.

    I know, I know, “blah blah blah uniforms are a public display blah blah blah we are the sanctimonious keepers of what people can and cannot wear on athletic fields blah blah blah our opinions blah blah blah.”

    Stop it. Just stop it. A man is dead. It’s just so completely trivial whether or not they wear a sticker or a patch or a black armband or whether or not the deceased was a good guy or a bad guy or somewhere in between.

    Let them pay tribute. It’s about them, not about you.

  • Fight | December 17, 2009 at 4:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”367168″]any word on whether the bengals will be having one of these?[/quote]

    spot on Phil, according to this article (http://www.bengals.c...)

  • Fight | December 17, 2009 at 4:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”367281″][quote comment=”367168″]any word on whether the bengals will be having one of these?[/quote]

    spot on Phil, according to this article (http://www.bengals.c...)[/quote]
    hate quoting myself, but bob holtzman did say that the team has not seen the decals …

  • TommyD | December 17, 2009 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”367276″][quote comment=”367272″][quote comment=”367271″][quote comment=”367252″][quote comment=”367230″]I have my own trivia project to ask but it’s not uni related but more old Veterans Stadium related.[/quote]

    I need more on this

    I met my wife in section 732[/quote]

    was she booing santa? or egging andy reid?
    sorry, disgruntled giant fan simply venting! :)[/quote]

    no worries,

    Even after we choke again and lose yet another NFC title game this year, we will have a sweep of the Giants to look back on as a good memory of 2009[/quote]

    Our rivalry (along w/ ours & skins) is caracterized by the ‘brief domination’ for a few years. for instance, we’ve had your number for a few years and then the pendulum would swing in the other direction. IIRC, you guys owned us when Randall was making Carls Banks tackle thin air, we eventually had a bit of success w/ the iggles.. but these last few years are ridiculous!

    I can’t hate Don as he’s a fellow SU alum, but gosh, I wish he’d move out of town!!!![/quote]

    My dad was at that Monday Night game (he drove up with 3 Giants fans) at the Meadowlands the night where Randall bounced off Carl Banks then hit fellow PSU alum Jimmy Giles in the end zone for the TD. I was in college at the time so it had to 1989-ish.

    There was also a game in that era that Clyde Simmons blocked FG in OT and ran it in for a touchdown. And of course the game where Keith Byars DECKED his best-man and college roommate T. (Pepper) Johnson while throwing the best block ever.

    I was at a Monday night game at exit 16W in 2000 I believe, where mcnabb won it on the last series.

    Great stuff.

    Since andy & mcnuggets can’t win the big one, they will go down in history with the likes of Randall and Buddy as the classic under achievers. What a wasted opportunity.

    Just paid my playoff invoice today. The downside of a good season. Merry Xmas.

  • Christopher | December 17, 2009 at 5:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”367280″][quote comment=”367186″]One other thing. As the circmstances of Henry’s demise come to light, the Bengals and others truly do need to understand those circumstances do—and should—influence the way someone ought to be remembered or memorialized.
    [/quote]

    In your opinion.

    We don’t get to choose how someone else – especially 52+ other someones who actually [i]knew[/i] the deceased – get to memorialize someone. It doesn’t have to meet [i]our[/i] standards. It only has to meet [i]theirs[/i]. I realize we’re going to start the whole Steve McNair nonsense again, but, really…these types of things are exactly as much, if not more, about the healing process for those left behind (who often have a much different view of the departed than we – who, let’s be honest, do not meet these people – do) than they are about whether or not they meet our personal conduct standards.

    I know, I know, “blah blah blah uniforms are a public display blah blah blah we are the sanctimonious keepers of what people can and cannot wear on athletic fields blah blah blah our opinions blah blah blah.”

    Stop it. Just stop it. A man is dead. It’s just so completely trivial whether or not they wear a sticker or a patch or a black armband or whether or not the deceased was a good guy or a bad guy or somewhere in between.

    Let them pay tribute. It’s about them, not about you.[/quote]

    There is room for a multitude of opinions. They can memorialize him all the same and we can have opinions on how they do that.

    Memorials DO go over the top, and you can’t excuse every single memorial just because its a memorial.

    I think 9/11 was a terrible tragedy and even I memorialized it in ways. At the same time I think the Yankees went overboard. My opinion.

  • Tim | December 17, 2009 at 5:22 pm |

    great article on the steelers today. i liked the look in the early 70’s??? for a couple of years with the away white jerseys and white pants.

    in regards to the guy with the talbot ‘shhhhh’ jersey, a couple of guys at my work have pens season tickets a couple of rows behind him. he also has a detroit jersey that says ‘hosebag’ instead of hossa (now obselete i guess since he is a hawk) and a flyers jersey that says ‘fartsmell’ instead of hartnell. sorry, no pics at present. pens pre-game talk says talbot may be a scratch tonight in philly. probably going with godard for the inevitable brawls this evening.

  • Will S | December 17, 2009 at 5:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”367242″]Great read on ESPN today Paul.

    I know you mentioned Iowa borrowing the Steelers uniforms. I wonder if you’ve ever seen St. Vincent College football. St. Vincent’s is in Latrobe, PA and has hosted the Steelers training camp for more than 40 years. They got a new football program the last few years and the field is even named Chuck Noll Field. The school colors are green and gold, but if you look at the pictures and substitute the green for black, the unis might look familiar. They even have their Bearcat logo on only the right side of the helmet.

    http://www.stvincent...

    I almost like the Green and Gold version better. I don’t think the Steelers should switch, but that’s an interesting concept. What would happen if one of the “uglier” teams in the league simply re-used another teams design, but in their own colors? Like the Bills’ red and royal, but on another pro (or college, for that matter) team’s template. Just a thought…

  • LarryB | December 17, 2009 at 5:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”367161″]Thanks for the mention of The Fleer Sticker Project. Here’s the link to the reviews of the Sears Catalogs that tie in with Jim’s post on the Sears action figures:

    http://fleersticker....

    That Fleer Sticker Project is a fun site. Good to see those old action figures in today’s column.

  • Andy11 | December 17, 2009 at 5:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”367284″]
    There is room for a multitude of opinions. They can memorialize him all the same and we can have opinions on how they do that.

    Memorials DO go over the top, and you can’t excuse every single memorial just because its a memorial.

    I think 9/11 was a terrible tragedy and even I memorialized it in ways. At the same time I think the Yankees went overboard. My opinion.[/quote]

    Just because you have an opinion, it doesn’t mean you should voice it…
    Just because you can do something it doesn’t mean you should.

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 5:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”367279″][quote comment=”367278″]I hope Jerry Reese is reading this today…..
    ‘JERRY, PLEASE, NO MORE MICHIGAN RBs’ !!!!!

    Johnson, Taylor, Woolfolk, Wheatley, Bunch, —- not great pro in the bunch!!!!

    ricko — fyi: Joe Morris was a Syracuse alum.[/quote]
    Jamie Morris went to Michigan (played for skins).[/quote]

    Thanks. I thought I might be mixing up my Morrises.

    —Ricko

  • Timothy D. | December 17, 2009 at 5:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    I maybe haven’t researched this question properly, but are the Steelers the only team to have their NOB a different colour (Yellow)to their Number (White) on a Jersey which is a Single colour (Black)?

  • adrian | December 17, 2009 at 5:53 pm |

    i think the steelers were the last team to switch to a mesh polyester jersey(body) I remeber seeing authentic rod woodson jerseys like back in the mid 90’s made of a solid durene material im pretty sure the manufacturer was starter

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 6:00 pm |

    Gonna say this once, and I’ll probably get drilled for it, but here goes.

    Yesterday perhaps hundreds of groups of people lost a fellow employee. Say to a auto accident, perhaps to some other unexpected incident.

    Will the companies for which they worked even ponder closing for a week? Will their fellow employees all get patches made bearing the lost employee’s extension number and wear them for the next few months? Y’know, so that others in restaurants and shopping malls know of their shared loss?

    I think not, on both counts.

    The veiled, though predominant, philosophy appears to be that athletes have some kind of elevated status. That losing one of them is some kind of mass societal sorrow, and we should, as a nation, or as a city at least, grieve publicly en masse.

    Or perhaps the true message being sent actually is just the opposite: We don’t know how to handle something sad, how to grieve and get on with life, the way the rest of the world deals with such things.

    That’s the element in all that kinda bothers me. Not the look at me, but rather the assumed look at US.

    —Ricko

  • leon | December 17, 2009 at 6:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”367289″][quote comment=”367279″][quote comment=”367278″]I hope Jerry Reese is reading this today…..
    ‘JERRY, PLEASE, NO MORE MICHIGAN RBs’ !!!!!

    Johnson, Taylor, Woolfolk, Wheatley, Bunch, —- not great pro in the bunch!!!!

    ricko — fyi: Joe Morris was a Syracuse alum.[/quote]
    Jamie Morris went to Michigan (played for skins).[/quote]

    Thanks. I thought I might be mixing up my Morrises.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Comparing wolverines and oranges.

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 6:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”367293″][quote comment=”367289″][quote comment=”367279″][quote comment=”367278″]I hope Jerry Reese is reading this today…..
    ‘JERRY, PLEASE, NO MORE MICHIGAN RBs’ !!!!!

    Johnson, Taylor, Woolfolk, Wheatley, Bunch, —- not great pro in the bunch!!!!

    ricko — fyi: Joe Morris was a Syracuse alum.[/quote]
    Jamie Morris went to Michigan (played for skins).[/quote]

    Thanks. I thought I might be mixing up my Morrises.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Comparing wolverines and oranges.[/quote]

    Yup, even harder than keeping up with the Jonses at Texas a few years back (Johnny “Lam” Jones, Johnny “Ham” Jones, Johnny “Jam” Jones).

    “Lam” was from Lampasses, Texas.
    “Ham” was, I think, from Hamilton, Texas.
    Don’t remember the story on “Jam.” Might just have been that his middle initial was “J”.

    —Ricko

  • Paul Lukas | December 17, 2009 at 6:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”367292″]Gonna say this once, and I’ll probably get drilled for it, but here goes.

    Yesterday perhaps hundreds of groups of people lost a fellow employee. Say to a auto accident, perhaps to some other unexpected incident.

    Will the companies for which they worked even ponder closing for a week? Will their fellow employees all get patches made bearing the lost employee’s extension number and wear them for the next few months? Y’know, so that others in restaurants and shopping malls know of their shared loss?

    I think not, on both counts.

    The veiled, though predominant, philosophy appears to be that athletes have some kind of elevated status. That losing one of them is some kind of mass societal sorrow, and we should, as a nation, or as a city at least, grieve publicly en masse.

    Or perhaps the true message being sent actually is just the opposite: We don’t know how to handle something sad, how to grieve and get on with life, the way the rest of the world deals with such things.

    That’s the element in all that kinda bothers me. Not the look at me, but rather the assumed look at US.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’m certainly not in favor of giving any higher cultural status to athletes (among other things, they tend to be stupefyingly boring people, which is what happens when you spend most of your life in hotels, weight rooms, and airplanes). But I have long argued that teams are not just business entities — they’re also civic entities. This means they have certain civic responsibilities (not to sell their stadium names to the highest bidder, e.g.) but also means they should have access to certain civic — and, hence, public — rituals. I’m not suggesting that the flag over City Hall should be flying at half-mast, but I think a small helmet decal is fine. A small public gesture for people who work in the public eye.

    If the whole thing gets overblown, it’s in part because of fans and the media (including all of us here at this site) making such a fuss over it. The body wasn’t even cold yet before I was getting emails asking me if they’d wear a decal, or a patch, or whatever. Kinda sad that that’s the first thing that goes thru people’s minds when someone dies.

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 6:23 pm |

    No issue with what you say, but the key is, as you stated…
    “A small public gesture for people who work in the public eye.”

    Why? Because even in the public arena (perhaps ESPECIALLY in the public arena), dignity is always appropriate. Once told the teenage son of my boss (the kid was in the throes of some typical teenage nutsiness), “There is almost NO situation in life where it’s wrong to show a little class.”

    —Ricko

  • =bg= | December 17, 2009 at 6:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”367168″]any word on whether the bengals will be having one of these?[/quote]

    UPDATE: The Bengals have announced they will wear a sticker on their helmet during the game this weekend to honor Henry.

    Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#...

  • Abe | December 17, 2009 at 6:59 pm |

    Not sure if it’s been posted, but UMass will be wearing some beautiful Dr. J-era throwbacks on Saturday against Memphis:

    http://www.umassathl...

    Compare to these current unis, which I’m sure Paul just LOVES (count the Adidas logos if you dare):

    http://www.umassathl...

    Although not as much of a traditionalist as most people on here, I’d have to say BIG FREAKIN UPGRADE.

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 7:35 pm |

    Eagles in kelly green team-issue Spot Bilts at home…1969.

    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 7:38 pm |

    Another shot of green-footed Eagles…
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | December 17, 2009 at 7:41 pm |

    Another of Ron Johnson in blue pumas…
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • leon | December 17, 2009 at 7:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”367299″]Eagles in kelly green team-issue Spot Bilts at home…1969.

    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Norm Snead getting clobbered by “the enemy”.

  • MPowers1634 | December 17, 2009 at 7:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”367295″][quote comment=”367292″]Gonna say this once, and I’ll probably get drilled for it, but here goes.

    Yesterday perhaps hundreds of groups of people lost a fellow employee. Say to a auto accident, perhaps to some other unexpected incident.

    Will the companies for which they worked even ponder closing for a week? Will their fellow employees all get patches made bearing the lost employee’s extension number and wear them for the next few months? Y’know, so that others in restaurants and shopping malls know of their shared loss?

    I think not, on both counts.

    The veiled, though predominant, philosophy appears to be that athletes have some kind of elevated status. That losing one of them is some kind of mass societal sorrow, and we should, as a nation, or as a city at least, grieve publicly en masse.

    Or perhaps the true message being sent actually is just the opposite: We don’t know how to handle something sad, how to grieve and get on with life, the way the rest of the world deals with such things.

    That’s the element in all that kinda bothers me. Not the look at me, but rather the assumed look at US.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’m certainly not in favor of giving any higher cultural status to athletes (among other things, they tend to be stupefyingly boring people, which is what happens when you spend most of your life in hotels, weight rooms, and airplanes). But I have long argued that teams are not just business entities — they’re also civic entities. This means they have certain civic responsibilities (not to sell their stadium names to the highest bidder, e.g.) but also means they should have access to certain civic — and, hence, public — rituals. I’m not suggesting that the flag over City Hall should be flying at half-mast, but I think a small helmet decal is fine. A small public gesture for people who work in the public eye.

    If the whole thing gets overblown, it’s in part because of fans and the media (including all of us here at this site) making such a fuss over it. The body wasn’t even cold yet before I was getting emails asking me if they’d wear a decal, or a patch, or whatever. Kinda sad that that’s the first thing that goes thru people’s minds when someone dies.[/quote]

    Well said by both parties.

  • MPowers1634 | December 17, 2009 at 8:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”367283″][quote comment=”367276″][quote comment=”367272″][quote comment=”367271″][quote comment=”367252″][quote comment=”367230″]I have my own trivia project to ask but it’s not uni related but more old Veterans Stadium related.[/quote]

    I need more on this

    I met my wife in section 732[/quote]

    was she booing santa? or egging andy reid?
    sorry, disgruntled giant fan simply venting! :)[/quote]

    no worries,

    Even after we choke again and lose yet another NFC title game this year, we will have a sweep of the Giants to look back on as a good memory of 2009[/quote]

    Our rivalry (along w/ ours & skins) is caracterized by the ‘brief domination’ for a few years. for instance, we’ve had your number for a few years and then the pendulum would swing in the other direction. IIRC, you guys owned us when Randall was making Carls Banks tackle thin air, we eventually had a bit of success w/ the iggles.. but these last few years are ridiculous!

    I can’t hate Don as he’s a fellow SU alum, but gosh, I wish he’d move out of town!!!![/quote]

    My dad was at that Monday Night game (he drove up with 3 Giants fans) at the Meadowlands the night where Randall bounced off Carl Banks then hit fellow PSU alum Jimmy Giles in the end zone for the TD. I was in college at the time so it had to 1989-ish.

    There was also a game in that era that Clyde Simmons blocked FG in OT and ran it in for a touchdown. And of course the game where Keith Byars DECKED his best-man and college roommate T. (Pepper) Johnson while throwing the best block ever.

    I was at a Monday night game at exit 16W in 2000 I believe, where mcnabb won it on the last series.

    Great stuff.

    Since andy & mcnuggets can’t win the big one, they will go down in history with the likes of Randall and Buddy as the classic under achievers. What a wasted opportunity.

    Just paid my playoff invoice today. The downside of a good season. Merry Xmas.[/quote]

    The only NFL game that I have ever been to was an Eagles/Giants game at the Meadowlands in 1986.

    I had a Pop Warner game in the early afternoon, so I ended up going in half of my uni.

    Two things stand out from the game.

    Joe Morris ripped his jersey in the first half. I spent the rest of the game thinking that if I checked enough trash cans, that I would find it.

    And on a botched PAT, Harry Carson caught a pass for the conversion.

    The final score ended up being 35-3 and the Gianst yearbook that I bought at the game served as uni-watching fodder for damn near 20 years of my life!

  • jdreyfuss | December 17, 2009 at 8:54 pm |

    They just showed a statue of Andrew Jackson with a big inscription on the pedestal saying “Andrew Jackson, for whom Jacksonville was named.” The NFLN announcer said it was Stonewall Jackson while looking at the statue.

  • stanleecup | December 17, 2009 at 8:58 pm |

    http://blogs.trb.com...

    Ony in Miami. Ugly art sponsored by StarKist.

  • Komet17 | December 17, 2009 at 9:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”367295″][quote comment=”367292″]If the whole thing gets overblown, it’s in part because of fans and the media (including all of us here at this site) making such a fuss over it. The body wasn’t even cold yet before I was getting emails asking me if they’d wear a decal, or a patch, or whatever. Kinda sad that that’s the first thing that goes thru people’s minds when someone dies.[/quote]

    I think this is at least partially related to the fact that most professional athletes are young (i.e., < 30), and young people seem to grieve more publicly than older generations. This may, I think, account for the "In Loving Memory of…" t-shirts/jackets/car window decals when a high school- or college-aged person dies.

    Related: On these occasions, we often hear: "He was too young to die" or "It wasn't his time", etc. So, when ARE we old enough to die? When IS it our time?

    Sorry to be so philosophical; just got news this afternoon that a 20-year old friend of our kids committed suicide this morning, jumping off a parking garage at Mizzou…

  • Komet17 | December 17, 2009 at 9:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”367295″][quote comment=”367292″]If the whole thing gets overblown, it’s in part because of fans and the media (including all of us here at this site) making such a fuss over it. The body wasn’t even cold yet before I was getting emails asking me if they’d wear a decal, or a patch, or whatever. Kinda sad that that’s the first thing that goes thru people’s minds when someone dies.[/quote]

    I think this is all related to the fact that most professional athletes are young (i.e., less than 30) and the younger generation tends to be more overt in their grieving than older generations.

    I notice this in all the “In Loving Memory” t-shirts, jackets, and car decals I see when a high school- or college-aged person dies.

    Just found out today that a 20-year friend of our two children committed suicide this morning–jumping off a park garage at Mizzou. Gonna be a tough holiday for his family.

  • Komet17 | December 17, 2009 at 9:08 pm |

    Well, I obviously screwed up the quote function on that post…the first paragraph is Paul’s, the rest is mine.

  • The Jeff | December 17, 2009 at 9:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”367290″][quote comment=”367190″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    I maybe haven’t researched this question properly, but are the Steelers the only team to have their NOB a different colour (Yellow)to their Number (White) on a Jersey which is a Single colour (Black)?[/quote]

    No, they’re not. The Rams have white names with gold numbers on their blue jerseys.

    The Steelers might be the only team to use the same color NOB on both their white and dark jerseys though.

  • JimV19 | December 17, 2009 at 9:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”367288″][quote comment=”367284″]
    There is room for a multitude of opinions. They can memorialize him all the same and we can have opinions on how they do that.

    Memorials DO go over the top, and you can’t excuse every single memorial just because its a memorial.

    I think 9/11 was a terrible tragedy and even I memorialized it in ways. At the same time I think the Yankees went overboard. My opinion.[/quote]

    Just because you have an opinion, it doesn’t mean you should voice it…
    Just because you can do something it doesn’t mean you should.[/quote]

    Sorry, comrade, could you take me to America? Because that’s where I thought I was…

    (cue patriotic music)

    If you do it with class and consideration, everyone SHOULD voice his or her opinion (even Phil). That’s how you learn about other people, and you may learn a little something about yourself in the process that you didn’t previously know.

    (steps down from soapbox and turns off music)

  • LI Phil | December 17, 2009 at 9:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”367281″][quote comment=”367168″]any word on whether the bengals will be having one of these?[/quote]

    spot on Phil, according to this article (http://www.bengals.c...)[/quote]

    bout the only thing i got right today

    that was purely a guess too, but i figured standard issue black circle with team number…the rest was all MS paint

    i wonder if this will become league-wide…or if there will be a 15 at midfield in the bengals game

  • RyCo40 | December 17, 2009 at 10:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”367307″]http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/2009/12/marlins_stadium_update_no_3_ch.html

    Ony in Miami. Ugly art sponsored by StarKist.[/quote]

    the art work isn’t ugly at all…

  • JimV19 | December 17, 2009 at 10:04 pm |

    Notre Dame’s not interested in the Big Eleven:
    http://sports.espn.g...
    Think the feeling’s mutual?

    There’s talk of Mizzou joining, but I figured Iowa State was the best candidate. Pitt would be a great rival again for PSU, but I’d rather have PSU jump to the Big East. As for Rutgers? Too far away, in my opinion.

    How about ISU and Cincy join the Big Ten, while Penn State returns to its rightful place? Works for me.

  • JimV19 | December 17, 2009 at 10:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”367313″][quote comment=”367281″][quote comment=”367168″]any word on whether the bengals will be having one of these?[/quote]

    spot on Phil, according to this article (http://www.bengals.c...)[/quote]

    bout the only thing i got right today

    that was purely a guess too, but i figured standard issue black circle with team number…the rest was all MS paint

    i wonder if this will become league-wide…or if there will be a 15 at midfield in the bengals game[/quote]

    Paint the 15-yard line black. The Bears did something similar, putting a football with a 34 in it at the 34-yard line.

  • stanleecup | December 17, 2009 at 10:10 pm |

    Paint the 15-yard line black. The Bears did something similar, putting a football with a 34 in it at the 34-yard line.

    Huh? For an all-time legend yes. Not a third string receiver who made a very bad decision.

  • Bob Loblaw | December 17, 2009 at 10:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”367301″]Another of Ron Johnson in blue pumas…
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]
    those are the Eagles away, but didn’t have a green shell w/ white wings on the away kits?

    Also, Ron J looks to be doing his best Jackie Gleason ‘And away we go’ impersonation.

  • LI Phil | December 17, 2009 at 10:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”367312″]
    Sorry, comrade, could you take me to America? Because that’s where I thought I was…

    (cue patriotic music)

    If you do it with class and consideration, everyone SHOULD voice his or her opinion (even Phil). That’s how you learn about other people, and you may learn a little something about yourself in the process that you didn’t previously know.

    (steps down from soapbox and turns off music)[/quote]

    next time you post something like this jim…im going to look at you in a new light

  • Bob Loblaw | December 17, 2009 at 10:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”367304″][quote comment=”367283″][quote comment=”367276″][quote comment=”367272″][quote comment=”367271″][quote comment=”367252″][quote comment=”367230″]I have my own trivia project to ask but it’s not uni related but more old Veterans Stadium related.[/quote]

    I need more on this

    I met my wife in section 732[/quote]

    was she booing santa? or egging andy reid?
    sorry, disgruntled giant fan simply venting! :)[/quote]

    no worries,

    Even after we choke again and lose yet another NFC title game this year, we will have a sweep of the Giants to look back on as a good memory of 2009[/quote]

    Our rivalry (along w/ ours & skins) is caracterized by the ‘brief domination’ for a few years. for instance, we’ve had your number for a few years and then the pendulum would swing in the other direction. IIRC, you guys owned us when Randall was making Carls Banks tackle thin air, we eventually had a bit of success w/ the iggles.. but these last few years are ridiculous!

    I can’t hate Don as he’s a fellow SU alum, but gosh, I wish he’d move out of town!!!![/quote]

    My dad was at that Monday Night game (he drove up with 3 Giants fans) at the Meadowlands the night where Randall bounced off Carl Banks then hit fellow PSU alum Jimmy Giles in the end zone for the TD. I was in college at the time so it had to 1989-ish.

    There was also a game in that era that Clyde Simmons blocked FG in OT and ran it in for a touchdown. And of course the game where Keith Byars DECKED his best-man and college roommate T. (Pepper) Johnson while throwing the best block ever.

    I was at a Monday night game at exit 16W in 2000 I believe, where mcnabb won it on the last series.

    Great stuff.

    Since andy & mcnuggets can’t win the big one, they will go down in history with the likes of Randall and Buddy as the classic under achievers. What a wasted opportunity.

    Just paid my playoff invoice today. The downside of a good season. Merry Xmas.[/quote]

    The only NFL game that I have ever been to was an Eagles/Giants game at the Meadowlands in 1986.

    I had a Pop Warner game in the early afternoon, so I ended up going in half of my uni.

    Two things stand out from the game.

    Joe Morris ripped his jersey in the first half. I spent the rest of the game thinking that if I checked enough trash cans, that I would find it.

    And on a botched PAT, Harry Carson caught a pass for the conversion.

    The final score ended up being 35-3 and the Gianst yearbook that I bought at the game served as uni-watching fodder for damn near 20 years of my life![/quote]

    Shoot! i’m gonna date myself right now…. but as we’re comparing Joe Morris memories…. I don’t care. :)

    My greatest Joe Morris memory dates back to Oct, 1986— monday night game against the DC Native Americans guys— that very night 15 miles as the crow flies over in Queens the Mets are mounting their ridiculous comeback in the Buckner game.

    I’m a junior at SU and have got a roomful of idiots from New England riding me as the Red Sox are finally to slay their 68 year ghosts.

    Little Joe M nearly rushed for 250 yds. against a pretty decent Redskin defense that night in the Meadowlands & while the Giant victory was wonderous…. the Mets stole the night and the celebratory beers went down quite well on Marshall Street that night.

  • rpm | December 17, 2009 at 10:24 pm |

    did any of you send me a case of stadium mustard? i have no idea who did this, but if you did it, let me know so i can thank you properly! it is the greatest condiment known to man.

  • LI Phil | December 17, 2009 at 10:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”367319″][quote comment=”367301″]Another of Ron Johnson in blue pumas…
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]
    those are the Eagles away, but didn’t have a green shell w/ white wings on the away kits?

    Also, Ron J looks to be doing his best Jackie Gleason ‘And away we go’ impersonation.[/quote]

    don’t know the year on that photo…but it’s pre-1974…i thought the eagles were the only team to wear the green with white for home games, and white with green wings for road games (or white jersey games)…by 1974 the eagles had switched to the green helmets

    for some reason, i thought in 1969 they had two helmets…but i could be wrong

    they definitely had white helmets with green wings from, i believe 1968 to 1973…but they may have also had a green one with white wings during that time

  • JimV19 | December 17, 2009 at 10:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”367320″][quote comment=”367312″]
    Sorry, comrade, could you take me to America? Because that’s where I thought I was…

    (cue patriotic music)

    If you do it with class and consideration, everyone SHOULD voice his or her opinion (even Phil). That’s how you learn about other people, and you may learn a little something about yourself in the process that you didn’t previously know.

    (steps down from soapbox and turns off music)[/quote]

    next time you post something like this jim…im going to look at you in a new light[/quote]

    Time to go through my photos. I need a new head shot…

  • jdreyfuss | December 17, 2009 at 10:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”367322″]did any of you send me a case of stadium mustard? i have no idea who did this, but if you did it, let me know so i can thank you properly! it is the greatest condiment known to man.[/quote]
    Possibly the greatest individual foodstuff known to man

  • Flip | December 17, 2009 at 11:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”367262″][quote comment=”367257″][quote comment=”367242″]Great read on ESPN today Paul.

    I know you mentioned Iowa borrowing the Steelers uniforms. I wonder if you’ve ever seen St. Vincent College football. St. Vincent’s is in Latrobe, PA and has hosted the Steelers training camp for more than 40 years. They got a new football program the last few years and the field is even named Chuck Noll Field. The school colors are green and gold, but if you look at the pictures and substitute the green for black, the unis might look familiar. They even have their Bearcat logo on only the right side of the helmet.

    http://www.stvincent...
    In addition to Iowa copying the Steelers’ look, a similar case may be made for Duke’s football uniforms vis-a-vis those of the Colts.[/quote]

    And for many, many years Nebraska looked like the Colts except in red and white.
    http://www.corbisima...
    All stuff right out of the catalogs back then.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Correct about the catalogs, but Nebraska was unique, I believe, because of the double stripe on the cuff. Pretty cool IMO.

    http://cache2.asset-...

  • JTH | December 17, 2009 at 11:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”367306″]They just showed a statue of Andrew Jackson with a big inscription on the pedestal saying “Andrew Jackson, for whom Jacksonville was named.” The NFLN announcer said it was Stonewall Jackson while looking at the statue.[/quote]
    I’m guessing it was Millen who said that. Y’know, the same guy who was just talking about how great the 1942 Bears were with “Red Grange running all over the place.”

    Right, Matt. Grange played at least 18 seasons.

  • Thomas Clark | December 17, 2009 at 11:34 pm |

    I can only give you this idea from the perspective of an athlete. My junior year in college we lost one of our players over Thanksgiving break to a car accident (that also claimed both of his grandparents). I feel the difference in my mind between the loss of a coworker and the loss of a teammate is this: a teammate shares a passion and a common bond in the choice to play a sport you love. Whether you are close or not, you will always share that bond, the sweat, the blood, the aches, the pains, and everything else that goes with playing a sport (hockey in this case). That bond transcends the typical nature of a coworker (in most cases) which is often an acquaintance based merely on a common employer and not much else.

    We chose to honor Seth with a small decal on our helmets and hanging his jersey at every game. Today, our early season tournament now bears his name as does our locker room. Seth’s family also continues to be fantastic supporters of the Northwood program because it was something that Seth loved dearly and helped pave the way for the more recent successes.

    I have lost several former coworkers(albeit none during my tenure) and while their losses are tragedies I never felt anywhere near the same that I did at the passing of Seth.

  • Ricko | December 18, 2009 at 12:09 am |

    [quote comment=”367323″][quote comment=”367319″][quote comment=”367301″]Another of Ron Johnson in blue pumas…
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]
    those are the Eagles away, but didn’t have a green shell w/ white wings on the away kits?

    Also, Ron J looks to be doing his best Jackie Gleason ‘And away we go’ impersonation.[/quote]

    don’t know the year on that photo…but it’s pre-1974…i thought the eagles were the only team to wear the green with white for home games, and white with green wings for road games (or white jersey games)…by 1974 the eagles had switched to the green helmets

    for some reason, i thought in 1969 they had two helmets…but i could be wrong

    they definitely had white helmets with green wings from, i believe 1968 to 1973…but they may have also had a green one with white wings during that time[/quote]

    In ’69 Eagles got new home unis with white helmets and kelly wings, along with their new “loopless” jersys. On the road, they kept their previous unis: kelly helmets with the silver wings and the white jerseys with both shoulder loops and sleeve stripes in kelly.

    For ’70 they added a new road, a version of the new ’69 homes. Plain white jerses with kelly numbers and sleeve TV’s with, I believe, a black outline added to both home and road numbers.

    Since they went to the winged helmet, I don’t believe they’ve ever worn a kelly helmet with white wings.

    1969 Home…
    http://farm5.static....
    1969 Road (helmet wing looks rather white here, but it was silver; saw them play on TV and it definitely was the helmet they’d worn before, with a silver wing)….
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | December 18, 2009 at 12:17 am |

    Ooops, forget to add…

    When the Eagles added the black edge to the numbers, they also changed the pant stripes from two kelly stripes to a standard three-color stripe (black around kelly).

    —Ricko

  • mao | December 18, 2009 at 12:18 am |

    I’ve been thinking of organizing a Portland (OR) Uni Watch party and then notice about the Pittsburgh one led me to post. Is anyone in PDX interested in such a thing? Let me know…

  • Flip | December 18, 2009 at 12:55 am |

    [quote comment=”367326″][quote comment=”367262″][quote comment=”367257″][quote comment=”367242″]Great read on ESPN today Paul.

    I know you mentioned Iowa borrowing the Steelers uniforms. I wonder if you’ve ever seen St. Vincent College football. St. Vincent’s is in Latrobe, PA and has hosted the Steelers training camp for more than 40 years. They got a new football program the last few years and the field is even named Chuck Noll Field. The school colors are green and gold, but if you look at the pictures and substitute the green for black, the unis might look familiar. They even have their Bearcat logo on only the right side of the helmet.

    http://www.stvincent...
    In addition to Iowa copying the Steelers’ look, a similar case may be made for Duke’s football uniforms vis-a-vis those of the Colts.[/quote]

    And for many, many years Nebraska looked like the Colts except in red and white.
    http://www.corbisima...
    All stuff right out of the catalogs back then.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Correct about the catalogs, but Nebraska was unique, I believe, because of the double stripe on the cuff. Pretty cool IMO.

    http://cache2.asset-...

    Ah, forgot about the Eagles’ loops. They had double stripes on the cuffs, too. Really, too big.
    http://www.mmbolding...

  • Tom | December 18, 2009 at 1:00 am |

    Paul:

    Re: Polamalu’s embroidered cross listed in your Page 2 article:

    It wasn’t embroidered, but Billy Martin wore a small metal cross on his Yankee cap for several seasons while he was the Yankees’ manager. The cross was located between the upright arms of the “Y”. Here’s a pic:

    http://www.esquire.c...

  • Fuzzy Dunlop | December 18, 2009 at 1:34 am |

    Paul,

    Re: ESPN Article –

    The Eagles have never worn the captain’s patch.

  • rpm | December 18, 2009 at 5:43 am |

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  • rpm | December 18, 2009 at 5:48 am |

    [quote comment=”367335″]bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble bobble bobble cobble bobble cobble bobble bobble bobble bobble cobble[/quote]
    ooooooooooooooooooooo, i must be in the zone, it all matched up all ocd hating 8 style.

  • Petedz | December 18, 2009 at 7:30 am |

    On Jermichael Finley’s jersey. Check out third from the last graf in this story.
    http://www.greenbayp...

  • concealed78 | December 18, 2009 at 12:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”367261″]http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3968/2b1i.jpg

    It’s obviously the city skyline in some sort of montage (the art museum “rocky” steps on the left and city hall on the right) but I can’t say that I remember it.

    I’m probably stating the obvious here, but there were tarps across the folded up football stands behind the entire outfield wall. With the bullpens being right behind the wall in far left and right field.

    Those tarps in the early years usually had the round emblems of the national league teams. Later on, they included the division, national league and one WS banner plus the retired numbers… Schmidt, Bunning, Carlton, Roberts, Ashburn and before it was imploded, Jackie Robinson.

    http://www.carmelpro...

    I would say maybe it might be for the bicentennial, but Trillo didn’t get here til after 1976. I have a tribute to the Vet DVD at home I’ll watch it and see if there are any shots of that unique backdrop.[/quote]

    Cool. Hope to hear more about it. Manny Trillo didn’t play for the Phillies until 1979, which makes it curious on why I haven’t seen more photos of it if it was the Bicential graphics. Maybe it was covered by tarps most of the time?

  • Bill G | December 18, 2009 at 10:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”367287″][quote comment=”367161″]Thanks for the mention of The Fleer Sticker Project. Here’s the link to the reviews of the Sears Catalogs that tie in with Jim’s post on the Sears action figures:

    http://fleersticker....

    That Fleer Sticker Project is a fun site. Good to see those old action figures in today’s column.[/quote]
    I had one from every team at the time. I think I had two Steelers though. I used to play football, hockey, and basketball with them. Yes, I am strange.

  • Rob | December 19, 2009 at 7:29 pm |

    Ha! Totally forgot about those. I used to agonize over which guys to put on my X-mas list. I remember having a guy from the Jets, Chargers, Falcons, Rams and Bills. Wish I still had ’em as those old school unis would be sweet to display.