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There’s No Service Like Wire Service

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It all began last week when memorabilia maven Mike Hersh drew my attention to this photo of Red Faber. “Look at his hat,” Mike wrote. “I don’t think I’ve ever seen that crossed-socks logo before.”

The photo was from a huge trove of old wire service baseball photos currently up for bids at Legendary Auctions. Intrigued by Mike’s find, I began poking through the hundreds of other photos in the auction and came up with a ton of noteworthy images. Let’s take a look:

• Here’s another shot of the crossed-socks logo that Mike spotted. Note that it’s also being worn as a sleeve patch.

• Can anyone explain why Chick Gandil had safety pins on his pants?

• I’ve said it before and I’ll keep on saying it: MLB needs to ditch the dugout jackets and bring back sweaters (but maybe not that overcoat). Further convincing evidence here, here, and here (texture!).

• Check out the great textured chain-stitching in the birds on James Bottomley’s jersey.

• Here’s the best view I’ve ever seen of the National League’s 50th-anniversary patch, which some teams wore as a sleeve patch.

• Love this shot of a very young Mel Ott. Here’s how those awesome sock stripes would have looked in color. (Anyone care to colorize the photo?)

• This is Tris Speaker, offering an excellent view of the Senators’ late-’20s sleeve patch.

• Speaking of the Sens, here’s an awesome shot of their 1910 uni (which would make a great throwback for the Nats, no?). Interestingly, Okkonen shows a serifed W, not the sans serif version shown in the photo.

• What interests me about this photo is the guy standing at right with his back to the camera. Look — a shoulder yoke! Never seen that on a baseball jersey before.

• If MLB insists on having a unique template for BP caps, they could do a lot worse than this. Totally digging the way the colored band runs around the base of crown.

• Judging by this photo of Dusty Rhoads, Cleveland’s road jersey had a pocket in 1903 and/or 1904 (look under the “AND”). Not shown in the Okkonen database.

• Speaking of pockets, here’s a good view of the one worn by the Pirates in the late teens.

• Maybe the White Sox should’ve gone with dark chest protectors back in the day. Looks like a brand-new catcher’s mitt, too!

This is Silk O’Loughlin, an American League umpire from 1902-1918. Love the striped tie.

• The auction photos feature several excellent views of the jersey patch that the Boston Braves wore from 1915 to 1920. Additional views here, here, here, here, and here.

• Oh man, what I wouldn’t give to see the Yankees go back to this hosiery design.

• Speaking of socks, here’s a great view of the color on top, white on the bottom format that was common in the early days of stirrups (the idea was to hide the existence of the white sanitary). Remind you of anything? It is, of course, exactly what NFL players are supposed to wear, although few of them adhere to the mid-shin color-break point anymore.

• Coupla interesting things about this shot: First, the W on the sleeve almost looks like a little pocket, no? Or maybe there’s an inner pocket behind it, on the inside of the sleeve. Also, note the chest “patch,” or whatever it is. I’m guessing this shot is from 1917, when the Senators wore a flag-based shield, but in the photo it looks more like a pinned-on ribbon than a patch.

• Look at this cap! That’s Hick Cady, who played with the Red Sox from 1912 through 1917. If you look at the Okkonen templates from those seasons, you’d never guess that their cap ever had such a short brim.

• Don’t think I’ve ever seen a photo of this Cubbies jersey. GodDAMN, that’s a great insignia! The Okkonen version gives no hint of how awesome this design was. (This is another one I’d love to see colorized, if anyone’s so inclined.)

• Here we have the best photo I’ve ever seen of the White Sox’s special 1917 World Series uniform. That’s Chisox skipper Clarence Rowland and his daughter.

• Would you like a white elephant? Or perhaps you’d prefer a black one?

• Most of these photos were either posed or taken during pregame warm-ups, so it’s almost startling to see an action shot. Love the lines in that image — great sense of energy. Additional action shots here, here, and here.

That should be enough to keep everyone busy today. Hope you enjoyed these images as much as I did.

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Uni Watch News Ticker: Here’s the deal on that Navy player with a Seahawks patch: “There’s a Marine Corps air squadron, VMAQ-4, that’s known as the Seahawks,” explains Cory Wienckowski. “They have the Seahawks logo on the tail of their aircraft.” … Newcastle’s deal with Adidas is over (with thanks to Terence Kearns). … Robert G. Heft has died. He’s the guy who designed the 50-star American flag (with thanks to Jeff Fishman). … New logo for the Mobile Bay Bears. Jonathon Binet says it reminds him of this, but I think it draws more heavily from this. New uniforms and cap, too. … Also from Jonathon: Early in the year, the Jags’ non-Riddell nose bumpers featured the team’s new wordmark, but lately they’ve switched to a raised, rubberized version of their helmet logo. … New logo for UEFA EURO 2012, whatever that is (with thanks to Stephen Wong). … Cycling news from Jeff Mayer, who writes: “The Lance-less Astana team broke out new duds this weekend, going from this to this. Bad presentation form, though. As much as Specialized wanted to splash their red logo distractingly throughout the jersey, you’d think they’d get a new T-shirt or two printed up so that Bert and Vino wouldn’t be sporting last year’s Nike casualwear at the presser.” .. Here’s a pretty cool video clip: pitcher Jason Grilli giving a guided tour of all the jerseys he’s worn (nice find by Chris Josephson). … Matthew Hackethal picked up this gorgeous 1952 Rangers program during a recent visit to MSG. … Becky Taylor reports that Georgia Public Broadcasting is working on a special called As If We Were Ghosts, about sports in the segregated Georgia Interscholastic Association. Judging by the fantastic footage in the trailer, it looks like a winner. … Another Monday Night Football telecast, another helmet mistake by ESPN. The Niners lid should have a gray facemask, natch (with thanks to Jeff La Haie). … Speaking of last night’s game, Justin Smith tore his pants (screen shot courtesy of Aaron Wiens). … Meanwhile, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie gave new meaning to black for black’s sake. … This kneecap brought to you by Nike. … Great report from Andy Head, who writes: “The Detroit color guy during Monday night’s Wings/Coyotes game just said that the Red Wings’ equipment manager keeps a full home and road uniform set on hand for every single player under contract for the Wings, so he’s always ready when there are last-minute call-ups and doesn’t have to scramble.” … “I liked NHL alternate jerseys sooooo much better when they were way out there, like the first alternate jerseys of the Kings, Canucks, Coyotes, Penguins, and even the Rangers,” says Josh Jedwab. “They were truly different from the teams’ regular home and away jerseys. The newer alternates of teams like the Wild and Avalanche may be ‘nice’ or ‘sharp,’ but they’re sterile, corporate. They lack the sense of fun that the early alternates had.” With that in mind, he’s designed some interesting alternate concepts for the Islanders. … Absolutely spectacular hockey crest here. “It was titled as ‘M. Georges Monier (club hockey), St-André,'” says Jeff Barak.

 

127 comments to There’s No Service Like Wire Service

  • jesse | December 15, 2009 at 8:16 am |

    Very nice job on the Islanders lighthouse sweater. Also, the Marines have a “Vikings” squadron(not sure what aircraft)that utilizes the Vikings profile logo, and I believe there used to be a Prowler squadron that used to use the Panthers logo.

  • DJ | December 15, 2009 at 8:19 am |

    New logo for UEFA EURO 2012, whatever that is

    It’s a flower, based on Polish/Ukranian folk art.

    http://www.designwee...

  • JAson | December 15, 2009 at 8:41 am |

    So where can I find a sweater like the old baseball style?? I ‘ve seen some in cable knit, but never a plain version.

  • thaines19 | December 15, 2009 at 8:44 am |

    Paul, now you need to read (or re-read, hopefully) The Glory of Their Times by Lawrence Ritter – the seminal oral history of early baseball. You’ll find out more about a lot of these folks.

  • Bob A | December 15, 2009 at 8:50 am |

    The 1917 Sox WS uni is simply incredible. Paul, the main entry today warmed what has been a lousy week in Houston. Just terrific.

  • Fran | December 15, 2009 at 8:54 am |

    There is a bar in Rochester NY called Silk O’loughlin’s, it seemed like an odd name and up until now I had no idea where the name came from. It turns out he was born in Rochester. Thanks Paul.

  • FormerDirtDart | December 15, 2009 at 9:07 am |

    Maybe those safety pins are keeping Chick Gandil’s shirt in his knickers and/or his socks & stirrups up?

  • steve | December 15, 2009 at 9:17 am |

    Sweaters + baseball uniforms in the cold = too much static!

  • MEMAL | December 15, 2009 at 9:22 am |

    Josh Jedwab, I have to say that’s a great point that you made about the third jerseys. I remember how much I adored the Pens thirds when they broke them out so many years ago and thought it was neat alternate design that didn’t seem to have a lot in common with the original design. I really like those lighthouses in the dark ideas, but all of them are really creative and different! I don’t know if I’d like to see them out on the ice, but they are great ideas in and of themselves. I have to agree some of the third jerseys are either not close enough to the teams original jersey concepts and what they are trying to do with it or they are not far enough away from it(like the Panthers and the Predators).

  • Hank | December 15, 2009 at 9:30 am |

    The baseball sweaters are a nice look, but some throwback items need to stay in the past. They define the era where that item was worn. If a lot of the past is trotted out now (and who knows how basterdized they will look with the likes of Nike, et al making them), then they loose their allure. Just my 2 cents.

  • FormerDirtDart | December 15, 2009 at 9:37 am |

    [quote comment=”366834″]Very nice job on the Islanders lighthouse sweater. Also, the Marines have a “Vikings” squadron(not sure what aircraft)that utilizes the Vikings profile logo, and I believe there used to be a Prowler squadron that used to use the Panthers logo.[/quote]

    Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 225 (VMFA-225) the “Vikings” currently fly the F/A-18D Hornet
    http://en.wikipedia....(AW)-225

    Also have to agree the Islnaders Lighthouse is great. Especially like the moon on the “night blue” jersey, and the sun on the “fog grey”

  • FormerDirtDart | December 15, 2009 at 9:39 am |

    Just found a VMFA-225 Vikings plane shot with tail art
    http://www.militarya...

  • FormerDirtDart | December 15, 2009 at 9:43 am |

    Sorry, posted a bad link for VMFA(AW)-225 on Wiki
    http://en.wikipedia....(AW)-225

  • interlockingtc | December 15, 2009 at 9:45 am |

    I was going to go on about all the incredible ballplayer photographs…then I came upon the last item in the ticker.

    My god…that is just wonderful.

  • JTH | December 15, 2009 at 9:49 am |

    [quote comment=”366835″]New logo for UEFA EURO 2012, whatever that is

    It’s a flower, based on Polish/Ukranian folk art.

    http://www.designwee...
    I believe “whatever that is” refers to UEFA Euro 2012 itself, not the logo design.

  • Shane | December 15, 2009 at 9:52 am |

    Paul, Euro 2012 is the European Championship for soccer. It\’s held every four years. Last year\’s was jointly hosted by Austria and Switzerland. Spain won.

  • JTH | December 15, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    [quote comment=”366838″]The 1917 Sox WS uni is simply incredible. Paul, the main entry today warmed what has been a lousy week in Houston. Just terrific.[/quote]
    I never noticed that the flag was on both sleeves (and by extension, that the one on the right sleeve is backwards).

  • Geenf | December 15, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    I’ll be interested to see that Georgia sports documentary. Interesting that the segregation of sport in the state extended into the 1970s.

  • FormerDirtDart | December 15, 2009 at 9:56 am |

    How about Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452 (VMGR-452) the “Yankees” with pins, who are stationed at Stewart Air National Guard Base/Stewart International Airport just a bit up the Hudson
    http://www.bluejacke...

  • JP | December 15, 2009 at 9:56 am |

    [quote comment=”366848″][quote comment=”366835″]New logo for UEFA EURO 2012, whatever that is

    It’s a flower, based on Polish/Ukranian folk art.

    http://www.designwee...
    I believe “whatever that is” refers to UEFA Euro 2012 itself, not the logo design.[/quote]

    UEFA Euro 2012 is the Union of European Football Associations “Euro” tournament to determine the UEFA Champion. Each FIFA region has one (North America plays the CONCACAF Gold Cup) to determine their regional champion. The six regional champions then join the previous World Cup champion and the subsequent World Cup host nation at the Confederations Cup one year before the next World Cup. The most recent Confederations Cup featured the U.S. upset over Spain. :)

  • David | December 15, 2009 at 10:03 am |

    [quote comment=”366850″][quote comment=”366838″]I never noticed that the flag was on both sleeves (and by extension, that the one on the right sleeve is backwards).[/quote]

    The US Flag Code did not become law until some time during WWII, so there was no “backwards” in 1917. :-)

    (I can’t remember the exact year. I’m sure wiki does, but I don’t feel like looking right now.)

  • David | December 15, 2009 at 10:04 am |

    sorry, JTH noted the backwards flag….

  • The Jeff | December 15, 2009 at 10:09 am |

    [quote comment=”366850″][quote comment=”366838″]The 1917 Sox WS uni is simply incredible. Paul, the main entry today warmed what has been a lousy week in Houston. Just terrific.[/quote]
    I never noticed that the flag was on both sleeves (and by extension, that the one on the right sleeve is backwards).[/quote]

    Is it? I know when it’s just the flag on a patch it’s supposed to always have the stars towards the front of the uniform, but by being depicted on a pole, I don’t think the same rule applies. It looks a little odd I suppose, but it’s not actually backwards.

    It also only has 9 stripes and 12 stars.

  • FormerDirtDart | December 15, 2009 at 10:19 am |

    Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 352 (VMGR-352) the “Raiders”, have a patch that is patterned after the Raiders shield logo. The cutlasses have been replaced by Marine Corps Officer and Noncommissioned Officer Swords and in place of the helmeted pirate is a frontal silhouette of a KC-130
    http://en.wikipedia....

  • Perry | December 15, 2009 at 10:27 am |

    Good news from an aesthetic POV on Newcastle’s deal with Adidas expiring; I hate the Adidas stripes on soccer jerseys anyway, but they’re especially horrendous on jerseys that are striped to begin with.

    As an Arsenal fan I hate Tottenham, but it’s a shame their lovely white jerseys are going to be ruined by the Adidas stripes.

  • LI Phil | December 15, 2009 at 10:32 am |

    [quote comment=”366856″]

    It also only has 9 stripes and 12 stars.[/quote]

    the US was a much smaller nation then

  • EddieAtari | December 15, 2009 at 10:40 am |

    Josh Jedwab’s Islanders concepts reminded me of the recent news that the Fish Sticks might move into the Brooklyn Ratnerdome. Makes sense, in a way, since Brooklyn is at least geographically part of the Isle of Long… However, has anyone else noticed that the map of Long Island on the Islanders’ logo is only Nassau and Suffolk Counties? Queens and Brooklyn are chopped off like a fish head… If they do move to Bk., a redesign would be in order, No?

  • JTH | December 15, 2009 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment=”366860″]Josh Jedwab’s Islanders concepts reminded me of the recent news that the Fish Sticks might move into the Brooklyn Ratnerdome. Makes sense, in a way, since Brooklyn is at least geographically part of the Isle of Long… However, has anyone else noticed that the map of Long Island on the Islanders’ logo is only Nassau and Suffolk Counties? Queens and Brooklyn are chopped off like a fish head… If they do move to Bk., a redesign would be in order, No?[/quote]
    If there is a redesign, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say it won’t look like this.

  • mike 2 | December 15, 2009 at 10:47 am |

    FWIW, the pins on Chick Gandil’s pants appear to be kilt pins, not safety pins

    http://www.supplydiv...

    They’re still around today and (at least when I was in high school) used by Catholic schoolgirls to fasten their uniform kilts closed.

    (No idea what they’re for)

  • JTH | December 15, 2009 at 10:48 am |

    Oops. Bad link.

    …it won’t look like this.

  • EddieAtari | December 15, 2009 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”366863″]Oops. Bad link.

    …it won’t look like this.[/quote]

    No, but I want one of those…

  • FormerDirtDart | December 15, 2009 at 10:52 am |

    That Seahawk patch could very well be the Navy’s Carrier Airborne Early Warning Squadron 126 (VAW-126), also the “Seahawks”
    Patches
    http://www.patchques...
    http://www.patchques...

    Ball Cap
    http://navygear4u.oc...

    Nose Art
    http://cdn-www.airli...
    http://cdn-www.airli...

    T-shirt art (bottom color is for small logo on shirt front)
    http://www.specialfo...

  • Keith B | December 15, 2009 at 10:53 am |

    Here’s the deal on that Navy player with a Seahawks patch: “There’s a Marine Corps air squadron, VMAQ-4, that’s known as the Seahawks,” explains Cory Wienckowski. “They have the Seahawks logo on the tail of their aircraft.” …

    Looking at that Marine Corps logo brought to mind this question: Did the Marines or the Seattle NFL club decide first to use that neon green color?

  • TommyD | December 15, 2009 at 11:09 am |

    I’m guessing the Nats would misspell this single letter if they tried this design as a throwback

    http://www.legendary...

  • LI Phil | December 15, 2009 at 11:27 am |

    [quote comment=”366867″]I’m guessing the Nats would misspell this single letter if they tried this design as a throwback

    http://www.legendary...

    or this

  • Wollen1 | December 15, 2009 at 11:34 am |

    I’ve had a question for some time and just can’t find a satisfactory answer on-line. Were the Washington Senators of the early twentieth century actually called the Nationals? In the past few years, I’ve heard the team referred to as the nationals more and more. Wikipedia states that the Washington baseball team was known as the Nationals from 1905 until 1956, but I find this hard to believe as every reference I saw or heard of this team throughout the first three decades of my life was as the Senators. Does anyone have insight into this?

  • Ricko | December 15, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    [quote comment=”366868″][quote comment=”366867″]I’m guessing the Nats would misspell this single letter if they tried this design as a throwback

    http://www.legendary...

    or this[/quote]

    Perfect.
    The Mashington Washinals.

  • Cort | December 15, 2009 at 11:40 am |

    The Isles concepts are interesting, but I don’t like them as much as the ol’ Poopdeck Pappy, Gorton’s Fisherman sweater they wore in the mid Nineties. The rest of the world may loathe it, but every time I see that uniform, I feel happy inside.

    May God have mercy on my soul.

  • Ricko | December 15, 2009 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment=”366871″]The Isles concepts are interesting, but I don’t like them as much as the ol’ Poopdeck Pappy, Gorton’s Fisherman sweater they wore in the mid Nineties. The rest of the world may loathe it, but every time I see that uniform, I feel happy inside.

    May God have mercy on my soul.[/quote]

    Yeah, the Gorton guy kinda gets tarred with the same brush that says the unis overall wavyness makes some reach for the dramamine.

    As logos go, he’s a pretty cool lookin’ dude.
    Though he might be better suited to a team from New England. Or Nova Scotia.
    The Halifax Helmsmen, maybe?
    (hey, when in doubt, just make up a team, lol)

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | December 15, 2009 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”366871″]The Isles concepts are interesting, but I don’t like them as much as the ol’ Poopdeck Pappy, Gorton’s Fisherman sweater they wore in the mid Nineties. The rest of the world may loathe it, but every time I see that uniform, I feel happy inside.

    May God have mercy on my soul.[/quote]

    Ahem… God will not only make you a patron saint, he’ll anoint you third-in-command when you reach the Pearly Gates.

    I’d be second in line, of course, considering my undying, unwavering love of the Fisherman jersey.

  • LI Phil | December 15, 2009 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment=”366869″]I’ve had a question for some time and just can’t find a satisfactory answer on-line. Were the Washington Senators of the early twentieth century actually called the Nationals? In the past few years, I’ve heard the team referred to as the nationals more and more. Wikipedia states that the Washington baseball team was known as the Nationals from 1905 until 1956, but I find this hard to believe as every reference I saw or heard of this team throughout the first three decades of my life was as the Senators. Does anyone have insight into this?[/quote]

    yes…and in 1905 and 1906 they even placed the name on the uni

    they were, btw, the first team EVER to put a nickname or team name (as opposed to a symbol, logo or city name) on a baseball uniform

    of course, they were the first ever team to have a uni malfunction, which ricko blogged about

  • Ricko | December 15, 2009 at 11:53 am |

    Re-thinking.

    Okay, we’ve talked about team names need to be easy, and fun, to say.
    “Halifax Helmsmen” not so good, but those criteria. Tongue gets all tangled up.
    “Wooster Helmsmen”, on the other hand, would be great.

  • Cort | December 15, 2009 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment=”366869″]Were the Washington Senators of the early twentieth century actually called the Nationals?[/quote]

    I don’t think that team nicknames were as formalized back then. Sportswriters used multiple nicknames for the same team; fans gave teams new nicknames to honor favorite players (the Cleveland Naps, in honor of Napoleon Lajoie, is an example, as is the Brooklyn Robins, so-called in honor of their manager, Wilbert Robinson). I think that “Senators” and “Nationals” were used interchangeably by the fans and the sportswriters (for those of us old enough to remember when the Sporting News was the only real source of baseball information, their beat writers constantly used alternate nicknames: the Pirates were the Buccos, the Indians were the Tribe, the Yankees were the Gothams, the Cardinals were the Redbirds, and on and on). Maybe the reason Washington spent so many years in uniforms that bore no wordmark, only a great big “W” is that the club didn’t want to commit to either nickname.

    Personally, I think the success and popularity of teams like the Cardinals and the Yankees led to the codification of nicknames. They weren’t just teams: they were identities. And other clubs mimiced them.

  • Ricko | December 15, 2009 at 12:03 pm |

    Many nicknames—especially college nickames—originated from sportswriters game stories, rather than from the teams themselves.

    Fighting Irish and Crimson Tide, to name two.

    “Golden” was added to Gophers after writer/broadcaster Halsey Hall described them as such because of the team’s monochome gold football unis in the 1930s.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | December 15, 2009 at 12:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”366843″]The baseball sweaters are a nice look, but some throwback items need to stay in the past. They define the era where that item was worn. If a lot of the past is trotted out now (and who knows how basterdized they will look with the likes of Nike, et al making them), then they loose their allure. Just my 2 cents.[/quote]

    That, plus no one’s going to wear one of those sweaters in the rain. I think dugout jackets are here to stay. The sweaters do look nice, though.

  • LI Phil | December 15, 2009 at 12:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”366876″][quote comment=”366869″]Were the Washington Senators of the early twentieth century actually called the Nationals?[/quote]

    I don’t think that team nicknames were as formalized back then. Sportswriters used multiple nicknames for the same team; fans gave teams new nicknames to honor favorite players (the Cleveland Naps, in honor of Napoleon Lajoie, is an example, as is the Brooklyn Robins, so-called in honor of their manager, Wilbert Robinson). I think that “Senators” and “Nationals” were used interchangeably by the fans and the sportswriters (for those of us old enough to remember when the Sporting News was the only real source of baseball information, their beat writers constantly used alternate nicknames: the Pirates were the Buccos, the Indians were the Tribe, the Yankees were the Gothams, the Cardinals were the Redbirds, and on and on). Maybe the reason Washington spent so many years in uniforms that bore no wordmark, only a great big “W” is that the club didn’t want to commit to either nickname.

    Personally, I think the success and popularity of teams like the Cardinals and the Yankees led to the codification of nicknames. They weren’t just teams: they were identities. And other clubs mimiced them.[/quote]

    “nationals” was indeed used interchangably with “senators”…but in 05-06 they did have the nickname on the jersey…i don’t think the fans really ever warmed to either name, but preferred senators to nationals, which is why they finally codified it in 1959(?)…i know ’59 was the first year ‘senators’ ever appeared on a jersey; previously (excepting ’05-06) only “washington” ever appeared (and even that was rare — usually it was a “W”)

  • Cort | December 15, 2009 at 12:05 pm |

    I remember reading somewhere that Clark Griffith, the longtime owner of the Washington club, preferred the name Nationals, because “every state capital in the country has a team called the Senators, but only one team can be called the Nationals.” But I can’t remember where I read that, and I can’t find the source.

  • Terence M.K. | December 15, 2009 at 12:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”366874″][quote comment=”366869″]I’ve had a question for some time and just can’t find a satisfactory answer on-line. Were the Washington Senators of the early twentieth century actually called the Nationals? In the past few years, I’ve heard the team referred to as the nationals more and more. Wikipedia states that the Washington baseball team was known as the Nationals from 1905 until 1956, but I find this hard to believe as every reference I saw or heard of this team throughout the first three decades of my life was as the Senators. Does anyone have insight into this?[/quote]

    yes…and in 1905 and 1906 they even placed the name on the uni

    they were, btw, the first team EVER to put a nickname or team name (as opposed to a symbol, logo or city name) on a baseball uniform

    of course, they were the first ever team to have a uni malfunction, which ricko blogged about[/quote]

    Wasn’t it also a reference to what league they played in? I remember on my trip to Cooperstown this summer as well as watching Ken Burns’ Baseball on MLB Network this past winter that it was referenced early on in print media and local advertising, like “The New York National Club vs. the Baseball Club of Baltimore”, etc.?

    Terence

  • LI Phil | December 15, 2009 at 12:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”366882″][quote comment=”366874″][quote comment=”366869″]I’ve had a question for some time and just can’t find a satisfactory answer on-line. Were the Washington Senators of the early twentieth century actually called the Nationals? In the past few years, I’ve heard the team referred to as the nationals more and more. Wikipedia states that the Washington baseball team was known as the Nationals from 1905 until 1956, but I find this hard to believe as every reference I saw or heard of this team throughout the first three decades of my life was as the Senators. Does anyone have insight into this?[/quote]

    yes…and in 1905 and 1906 they even placed the name on the uni

    they were, btw, the first team EVER to put a nickname or team name (as opposed to a symbol, logo or city name) on a baseball uniform

    of course, they were the first ever team to have a uni malfunction, which ricko blogged about[/quote]

    Wasn’t it also a reference to what league they played in? I remember on my trip to Cooperstown this summer as well as watching Ken Burns’ Baseball on MLB Network this past winter that it was referenced early on in print media and local advertising, like “The New York National Club vs. the Baseball Club of Baltimore”, etc.?

    Terence[/quote]

    the washington ballclub was in the american league (from 1901 to 1971)

  • Josh Jedwab | December 15, 2009 at 12:11 pm |

    And here I thought I was the only person on earth who loved the Isles Fisherman unis, complete with their nausea-inducing numerals. It’s nice to know that there are at least a few Fishermanophiles out there.

    These Isles concepts were an attempt to use the colors and motifs from that ill-fated jersey while avoiding the feel of frozen cod packaging.

    By the way, I was a HUGE Islander fan from ’72 to ’90. (I was there for Nystrom’s goal.) However, I’ve always HATED how the Isles jerseys were so in-your-face about the 4 consecutive Stanley Cups. Anyone notice the not so in-your-face nod to the 4 Stanley Cups that appears on each concept?

    – Josh

  • JimV19 | December 15, 2009 at 12:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”366872″][quote comment=”366871″]The Isles concepts are interesting, but I don’t like them as much as the ol’ Poopdeck Pappy, Gorton’s Fisherman sweater they wore in the mid Nineties. The rest of the world may loathe it, but every time I see that uniform, I feel happy inside.

    May God have mercy on my soul.[/quote]

    Yeah, the Gorton guy kinda gets tarred with the same brush that says the unis overall wavyness makes some reach for the dramamine.

    As logos go, he’s a pretty cool lookin’ dude.
    Though he might be better suited to a team from New England. Or Nova Scotia.
    The Halifax Helmsmen, maybe?
    (hey, when in doubt, just make up a team, lol)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I never had a problem with Mr. Gorton, and I would definitely wear Josh’s sweaters. Great job!

  • Jim Walaitis | December 15, 2009 at 12:14 pm |

    There’s something I like about this jersey – the three different cuts of fabric around the collar give it depth. As for the piping, I always thought piping was purely aesthetic. I didn’t know there was a seam there!

    http://www.legendary...

  • LI Phil | December 15, 2009 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”366884″]And here I thought I was the only person on earth who loved the Isles Fisherman unis, complete with their nausea-inducing numerals. It’s nice to know that there are at least a few Fishermanophiles out there.[/quote]

    oh…there’s a few of us

  • muddlehead | December 15, 2009 at 12:36 pm |

    only been wondering this for about 50 years. anyone have a pic or vid of ballplayers’ gloves on the field of play from back in the time when that was the custom?

  • Paul Lukas | December 15, 2009 at 12:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”366887″][quote comment=”366884″]And here I thought I was the only person on earth who loved the Isles Fisherman unis, complete with their nausea-inducing numerals. It’s nice to know that there are at least a few Fishermanophiles out there.[/quote]

    oh…there’s a few of us[/quote]

    Like I always say, the ugliest jerseys make the best membership cards.

  • Noelski y que! | December 15, 2009 at 12:45 pm |

    Does Okkonen have the stripe color backwards compared to the Ott picture?

  • ken | December 15, 2009 at 12:45 pm |

    I grew up an islander fan from the early 70s till I moved to DC in the late 90s. And I remember seeing a few DIY jerseys that mixed the old logo over the waves. Thought it was a very good mix. And as to the orginal logo not showing Brooklyn and Queens — I was told that those were Ranger areas. (also ever though they are physically on the island — they are part of NYC)

  • EddieAtari | December 15, 2009 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”366891″]I grew up an islander fan from the early 70s till I moved to DC in the late 90s. And I remember seeing a few DIY jerseys that mixed the old logo over the waves. Thought it was a very good mix. And as to the orginal logo not showing Brooklyn and Queens — I was told that those were Ranger areas. (also ever though they are physically on the island — they are part of NYC)[/quote]

    Those jersey’s were actually used on the ice for a brief time after they retired the Fisherman…

  • Teebz | December 15, 2009 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”366889″][quote comment=”366887″][quote comment=”366884″]And here I thought I was the only person on earth who loved the Isles Fisherman unis, complete with their nausea-inducing numerals. It’s nice to know that there are at least a few Fishermanophiles out there.[/quote]

    oh…there’s a few of us[/quote]

    Like I always say, the ugliest jerseys make the best membership cards.[/quote]

    Ironically, both of those jerseys are hanging in my closet. What does that say about me? LOL

  • peter | December 15, 2009 at 1:04 pm |

    I’m surprised that Paul hasn’t touched on the notion of Chanukah/Jewish inspired sports logos

    like so:

    http://img232.images...

    or

    http://worldhockeyje...

    (I didn’t even know they played hockey in Isreal!)

  • peter | December 15, 2009 at 1:04 pm |

    (I love the hockey stick is incorporated into the Star of David)

  • joe | December 15, 2009 at 1:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”366859″][quote comment=”366856″]

    It also only has 9 stripes and 12 stars.[/quote]

    the US was a much smaller nation then[/quote]

    True, but I’m pretty sure it was bigger than 12 by then.

  • MPowers1634 | December 15, 2009 at 1:05 pm |

    Great pictures, fellas.

  • Wollen1 | December 15, 2009 at 1:08 pm |

    Thanks guys for all the good answers to my Senators/Nationals question. I thought it might have something to do with formal name vs. nickname or competing nicknames.

    What makes me curious is that even most baseball historians refer to the team as the Senators, when technically that wasn’t even the case until the 50’s, and then for only about four years after. I’ll just always think of Walter Johnson, Sam Rice and Clark Griffith as Senators. That’s what my grandpa called them.

  • Teebz | December 15, 2009 at 1:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”366894″]I’m surprised that Paul hasn’t touched on the notion of Chanukah/Jewish inspired sports logos

    like so:

    http://img232.images...

    or

    http://worldhockeyje...

    (I didn’t even know they played hockey in Isreal!)[/quote]

    There’s a World Jewish Ice Hockey Championship every year. Former NHLer Steve Thomas traveled with the Canadian team over to Jerusalem for the tournament this season.

    It’s actually a pretty big deal to players over in Europe and Asia.

  • timmy b | December 15, 2009 at 1:18 pm |

    Maybe this is a reach on the Senators/Nationals debate, but perhaps “Nats” was used by all when referring to the Washingtons b/c “NAT” is in both “NATionals” and “SeNATors??”

  • Jordan Sogn | December 15, 2009 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”366878″]Many nicknames—especially college nickames—originated from sportswriters game stories, rather than from the teams themselves.

    Fighting Irish and Crimson Tide, to name two.

    “Golden” was added to Gophers after writer/broadcaster Halsey Hall described them as such because of the team’s monochome gold football unis in the 1930s.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I love stories of how schools adopted their nicknames.
    The University of Arkansas was the Cardinals until a sport writer (year?) said the football team played like a bunch of Razorbacks..The school colors are still Cardinal & White, though.

  • Ricko | December 15, 2009 at 1:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”366896″][quote comment=”366859″][quote comment=”366856″]

    It also only has 9 stripes and 12 stars.[/quote]

    the US was a much smaller nation then[/quote]

    True, but I’m pretty sure it was bigger than 12 by then.[/quote]

    Because the flag is unfurled and rippling and all, good bet it was created as flag “artwork” capable of being rendered in the embroidery technology of the time…not as a flag “patch”. It needs only to serve as a representation, not a strict replication.

    —Ricko

  • Swine the Mad | December 15, 2009 at 1:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”366851″]I’ll be interested to see that Georgia sports documentary. Interesting that the segregation of sport in the state extended into the 1970s.[/quote]

    The GIA closed shop in 1970. The vast majority school systems had done at least some integration by that time, but the GIA was prepared for 92 high schools to be active if the league had continued for 1970-71. There were roughly 180 school districts in the state at that time.

    I have no affiliation with the GPB project, but I have some GIA information on a website and Flickr account

    Flickr

    and

    Regular website

  • Flip | December 15, 2009 at 1:59 pm |

    New logo for the Mobile Bay Bears. Jonathon Binet says it reminds him of this, http://www.nba.com/g...

    Memphis wears, in my opinion, one of the best jersey combinations in the NBA. Too bad its wasted on such an inept team. Love the Grizzlies logo. Just try finding the standings (and where Memphis sits) on the team’s Web site.

  • The Jeff | December 15, 2009 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”366902″][quote comment=”366896″][quote comment=”366859″][quote comment=”366856″]

    It also only has 9 stripes and 12 stars.[/quote]

    the US was a much smaller nation then[/quote]

    True, but I’m pretty sure it was bigger than 12 by then.[/quote]

    Because the flag is unfurled and rippling and all, good bet it was created as flag “artwork” capable of being rendered in the embroidery technology of the time…not as a flag “patch”. It needs only to serve as a representation, not a strict replication.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    True enough, but they still could have done a better job on it. The missing stars and lower stripe count are perfectly acceptable for the time. The problem is that the blue field is too small. That’s actually why I counted the stripes in the first place – the whole thing just looks “off” because the proportions are wrong.

  • Ricko | December 15, 2009 at 2:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”366905″][quote comment=”366902″][quote comment=”366896″][quote comment=”366859″][quote comment=”366856″]

    It also only has 9 stripes and 12 stars.[/quote]

    the US was a much smaller nation then[/quote]

    True, but I’m pretty sure it was bigger than 12 by then.[/quote]

    Because the flag is unfurled and rippling and all, good bet it was created as flag “artwork” capable of being rendered in the embroidery technology of the time…not as a flag “patch”. It needs only to serve as a representation, not a strict replication.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    True enough, but they still could have done a better job on it. The missing stars and lower stripe count are perfectly acceptable for the time. The problem is that the blue field is too small. That’s actually why I counted the stripes in the first place – the whole thing just looks “off” because the proportions are wrong.[/quote]

    Yeah, for a team that just won the World Series, their lack of concern for how the patch would look on TV and on baseball cards is pretty hard to understand.

    –Ricko

  • LI Phil | December 15, 2009 at 2:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”366906″]
    Yeah, for a team that just won the World Series, their lack of concern for how the patch would look on TV and on baseball cards is pretty hard to understand.[/quote]

    it’s ok…you could change the patch in madden ’18

  • The Jeff | December 15, 2009 at 2:34 pm |

    You know, I thought that as “uniwatchers” we’re supposed to notice stupid details like that.

    I’m so sorry that I had to point out that they screwed up the flag by making the blue field a square when it’s supposed to be a rectangle.

  • Valjean | December 15, 2009 at 2:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”366862″]FWIW, the pins on Chick Gandil’s pants appear to be kilt pins, not safety pins

    http://www.supplydiv...

    They’re still around today and (at least when I was in high school) used by Catholic schoolgirls to fasten their uniform kilts closed.

    (No idea what they’re for)[/quote]

    Maybe to keep the World Series gambling payola from leaking out of his pockets …

  • JTH | December 15, 2009 at 2:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”366908″]You know, I thought that as “uniwatchers” we’re supposed to notice stupid details like that.

    I’m so sorry that I had to point out that they screwed up the flag by making the blue field a square when it’s supposed to be a rectangle.[/quote]
    Not nearly as sorry as I am that my half-assed joke about the flag being backwards has taken on a life of its own.

  • ken | December 15, 2009 at 2:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”366892″][quote comment=”366891″]I grew up an islander fan from the early 70s till I moved to DC in the late 90s. And I remember seeing a few DIY jerseys that mixed the old logo over the waves. Thought it was a very good mix. And as to the orginal logo not showing Brooklyn and Queens — I was told that those were Ranger areas. (also ever though they are physically on the island — they are part of NYC)[/quote]

    Those jersey’s were actually used on the ice for a brief time after they retired the Fisherman…[/quote]
    those are some of the years I’m trying to forget.

  • Ry Co 40 | December 15, 2009 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”366904″]New logo for the Mobile Bay Bears. Jonathon Binet says it reminds him of this, http://www.nba.com/g...

    Memphis wears, in my opinion, one of the best jersey combinations in the NBA. Too bad its wasted on such an inept team. Love the Grizzlies logo. Just try finding the standings (and where Memphis sits) on the team’s Web site.[/quote]

    “Too bad its wasted on such an inept team”

    the only thing saving the pirates jerseys/unis from this type of comment is, at least they have history…

  • Ricko | December 15, 2009 at 2:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”366910″][quote comment=”366908″]You know, I thought that as “uniwatchers” we’re supposed to notice stupid details like that.

    I’m so sorry that I had to point out that they screwed up the flag by making the blue field a square when it’s supposed to be a rectangle.[/quote]
    Not nearly as sorry as I am that my half-assed joke about the flag being backwards has taken on a life of its own.[/quote]

    The interesting element is the design differences when the time context is considered. That uni was, first and foremost, created to be seen almost exclusively by people who’d never see it from any closer than about 30 feet.

    As such, the stripes and stars in the sleeve art likely needed to be eliminated from the flag to be sure it still tracked as “stars and stripes” from as far as possible. Too many stripes and too many stars and it all mashes together the farther away we are from it it.

    “What’s that on their sleeve? Some kinda pinkish blue thing.”
    “It’s either an flower or a flag.”
    “I’m thinkin’ a flag. On accounta winnin’ the Series.”
    “Yeah, me, too. A flag.”

    So it isn’t so much that’s it’s wrong. It’s that it’s an informative detail about a different era in unis and uni design.

    (And I was just givin’ you shit, The Jeff. ;) )

    —Ricko

  • Perry | December 15, 2009 at 2:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”366888″]only been wondering this for about 50 years. anyone have a pic or vid of ballplayers’ gloves on the field of play from back in the time when that was the custom?[/quote]

    Don’t have a link, but you can see it in the “When It Was a Game” DVDs, which every Uniwatcher should own anyway.

  • Brendan | December 15, 2009 at 3:20 pm |

    The name and logo for the Pirates’ new single A affiliate has been released:

    http://community.pos...

  • aflfan | December 15, 2009 at 3:27 pm |

    “The Detroit color guy during Monday night’s Wings/Coyotes game just said that the Red Wings’ equipment manager keeps a full home and road uniform set on hand for every single player under contract for the Wings, so he’s always ready when there are last-minute call-ups and doesn’t have to scramble.”

    And with all the injuries this season they have needed them. They call a guy up yesterday morning for last night’s game. I think they have five regulars out right now. They lost another last night.

  • LI Phil | December 15, 2009 at 3:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”366913″]
    “What’s that on their sleeve? Some kinda pinkish blue thing.”
    “It’s either an flower or a flag.”
    “I’m thinkin’ a flag. On accounta winnin’ the Series.”
    “Yeah, me, too. A flag.”[/quote]

    except the flag was on the uniform the whole season and they hadn’t yet won the WS…

    the flag was there cuz of support for the US during the great war

    even if there wuz only 12 states at the time

  • iLO | December 15, 2009 at 3:37 pm |

    Is it just me or do black cleats make players look slow. I know it doesn’t complement neither SFs or ARIs uniform at all. I noticed a comparison when look at a picture of Jerry Rice back then and Vernon Davis….spot the uniform differences? ( i guess i should be posting both for comparison’s sake but im having trouble on this slow computer)

  • iLO | December 15, 2009 at 3:38 pm |

    ^ I mean a comparison on the way the uniform was worn in the 80s-90s/today

  • Kaptain K | December 15, 2009 at 3:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”366870″][quote comment=”366868″][quote comment=”366867″]I’m guessing the Nats would misspell this single letter if they tried this design as a throwback

    http://www.legendary...

    or this[/quote]

    Perfect.
    The Mashington Washinals.[/quote]

    That’s funny!

    When the Washington baseball club relocated to DC, they should have kept the ‘Expos’ name and added an ‘é’ to the end of it (to maintain a bit of the French influence/pay tribute to Montréal).

    Could there ever be a better named sports team than the “Washington Exposé”? I’d buy a replica jersey… as long as there are no spelling errors.

    And, kinda like LI Phil’s awesome artistic endeavor, the ‘W’ on the hat could have been an upside down Montréal ‘M’.

  • skott daltonic | December 15, 2009 at 3:49 pm |

    i love the idea of using Long Island as the bottom stripe to the dude’s NY Islanders jersey.

    .

  • bquinn | December 15, 2009 at 3:50 pm |

    Thanks for ruining an otherwise productive day! I had to pry myself away from the fantastic wire photos and get back to reality.

  • FormerDirtDart | December 15, 2009 at 4:02 pm |

    Washington Baseball Timeline

    Washington Statesman/Senators (1891-1899):
    as Washington Statesmen 1891 of American Association (AA folded after 1891)
    As Washington Senators 1892-1899 of the National League (league contracted after 1899, Senators eliminated)

    Washington Senators/Nationals/Senators/Minnesota Twins (1901-Present):
    As Washington Senators 1901-1904 of the American League (no affiliation to previous Statesmen/Senators)
    As Washington Nationals 1905-1954 of the AL (“Nationals” only appeared on uniforms for first two years, then wore Just a “W”) Most still called them Senators
    As Washington Senators 1955-1960 of the AL (“Senators” doesn’t appear on uniforms until 1959)
    As Minnesota Twins 1961-Present of the AL (Minnesota granted expansion team, Wash. Sen. Request to move to Minn. And have expansion team open in Wash.) Maintains all history and records of the teams stay in Washington.

    Washington Senators/ Texas Rangers (1961-Present):
    As Washington Senators 1961-1971 of the American League (Expansion Team, no affiliation to previous Statesmen/Senators/Senators/Nationals/Senators/Twins)
    As Texas Rangers 1972-Present of the AL (Moved to greener pastures) Maintains all records and history of 1961-1971 Senators

    Washington Nationals (2005-Present):
    Formerly Montreal Expos relocate as Washington Nationals 2005 of the National League (no affiliation to any previous Washington based team) Maintains all records and history of Montreal Expos as well as Washington team since 2005

  • JimV19 | December 15, 2009 at 4:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”366915″]The name and logo for the Pirates’ new single A affiliate has been released:

    http://community.pos...

    “We are very excited to unveil the Marauders name and logo today and to bring Florida State League baseball to the city of Bradenton,” team presdient Frank Coonelly said in a statement.

    So after years of bringing Florida State League baseball to Pittsburgh, they’re also going to bring it to Florida…

  • JTH | December 15, 2009 at 4:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”366919″]Is it just me or do black cleats make players look slow. I know it doesn’t complement neither SFs or ARIs uniform at all. I noticed a comparison when look at a picture of Jerry Rice back then and Vernon Davis….spot the uniform differences? ( i guess i should be posting both for comparison’s sake but im having trouble on this slow computer)[/quote]
    It’s not just you. I know that there are some players who prefer to wear black shoes because they feel that it makes them appear slower.

    I remember when the Bears were wearing white shoes, they had a receiver (Ken Margerum, maybe?) who would wear black ones because he wanted to fool the DBs into thinking he was slower than he acutally was.

  • JimV19 | December 15, 2009 at 4:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”366835″]New logo for UEFA EURO 2012, whatever that is

    It’s a flower, based on Polish/Ukranian folk art.

    http://www.designwee...

    If Poland or Ukraine ever get the Rugby World Cup, they should design the ball to look like one of their Easter eggs: http://blog.makezine...

  • JTH | December 15, 2009 at 4:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”366927″][quote comment=”366835″]New logo for UEFA EURO 2012, whatever that is

    It’s a flower, based on Polish/Ukranian folk art.

    http://www.designwee...

    If Poland or Ukraine ever get the Rugby World Cup, they should design the ball to look like one of their Easter eggs: http://blog.makezine...
    Each game could feature a different design. Hell, every individual ball used could be different.

  • Ricko | December 15, 2009 at 4:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”366926″][quote comment=”366919″]Is it just me or do black cleats make players look slow. I know it doesn’t complement neither SFs or ARIs uniform at all. I noticed a comparison when look at a picture of Jerry Rice back then and Vernon Davis….spot the uniform differences? ( i guess i should be posting both for comparison’s sake but im having trouble on this slow computer)[/quote]
    It’s not just you. I know that there are some players who prefer to wear black shoes because they feel that it makes them appear slower.

    I remember when the Bears were wearing white shoes, they had a receiver (Ken Margerum, maybe?) who would wear black ones because he wanted to fool the DBs into thinking he was slower than he acutally was.[/quote]

    Margerum, it was. And they were medium/high cuts, too. Kinda the Bobby Bell look.

    Joe Paterno said at least once, back in the day when everyone was going to white, that he kept Penn State in black so that teams wouldn’t realize his guys were as fast as they were.

    Also, I ran into Glenn Mason at a recording studio shortly after he’d taken the Gopher job. I asked him about his changing the team back to white shoes from black (which he’d already done). He laughed. “Yeah, we’re slow, but no sense LOOKING slow.”

    —Ricko

  • JTH | December 15, 2009 at 4:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”366929″]
    Margerum, it was. And they were medium/high cuts, too. Kinda the Bobby Bell look.
    [/quote]
    High-topped and “floppy” as well

    Floppy shoes… Bobby Bell… Bob Bell?

  • JimV19 | December 15, 2009 at 4:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”366926″][quote comment=”366919″]Is it just me or do black cleats make players look slow. I know it doesn’t complement neither SFs or ARIs uniform at all. I noticed a comparison when look at a picture of Jerry Rice back then and Vernon Davis….spot the uniform differences? ( i guess i should be posting both for comparison’s sake but im having trouble on this slow computer)[/quote]
    It’s not just you. I know that there are some players who prefer to wear black shoes because they feel that it makes them appear slower.

    I remember when the Bears were wearing white shoes, they had a receiver (Ken Margerum, maybe?) who would wear black ones because he wanted to fool the DBs into thinking he was slower than he acutally was.[/quote]

    Could you also be thinking of Tom Waddle?
    http://images.google...

    Although I saw pics of him in white shoes as well.

  • Ricko | December 15, 2009 at 5:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”366931″][quote comment=”366926″][quote comment=”366919″]Is it just me or do black cleats make players look slow. I know it doesn’t complement neither SFs or ARIs uniform at all. I noticed a comparison when look at a picture of Jerry Rice back then and Vernon Davis….spot the uniform differences? ( i guess i should be posting both for comparison’s sake but im having trouble on this slow computer)[/quote]
    It’s not just you. I know that there are some players who prefer to wear black shoes because they feel that it makes them appear slower.

    I remember when the Bears were wearing white shoes, they had a receiver (Ken Margerum, maybe?) who would wear black ones because he wanted to fool the DBs into thinking he was slower than he acutally was.[/quote]

    Could you also be thinking of Tom Waddle?
    http://images.google...

    Although I saw pics of him in white shoes as well.[/quote]

    Yeah, Waddle did it, too.

  • LarryB | December 15, 2009 at 5:48 pm |

    Fabulous old baseball pictures today. Man do I love seeing those.

  • muddlehead | December 15, 2009 at 5:57 pm |

    gracias perry #80. great suggestion. just youtubed when it was a game 1 part 1. video from left field foul line toward mound second base etc. 8:12 mark. there they are. 2 gloves on the grass behind third and short just beyond dirt. thanks.

  • JTH | December 15, 2009 at 7:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”366932″][quote comment=”366931″][quote comment=”366926″][quote comment=”366919″]Is it just me or do black cleats make players look slow. I know it doesn’t complement neither SFs or ARIs uniform at all. I noticed a comparison when look at a picture of Jerry Rice back then and Vernon Davis….spot the uniform differences? ( i guess i should be posting both for comparison’s sake but im having trouble on this slow computer)[/quote]
    It’s not just you. I know that there are some players who prefer to wear black shoes because they feel that it makes them appear slower.

    I remember when the Bears were wearing white shoes, they had a receiver (Ken Margerum, maybe?) who would wear black ones because he wanted to fool the DBs into thinking he was slower than he acutally was.[/quote]

    Could you also be thinking of Tom Waddle?
    http://images.google...

    Although I saw pics of him in white shoes as well.[/quote]

    Yeah, Waddle did it, too.[/quote]
    I could certainly be giving him more credit than he deserves, but I seem to recall Waddle being a factor in Mike Ditka’s decision to switch the team back to black shoes.

  • LI Phil | December 15, 2009 at 7:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”366921″][quote comment=”366870″][quote comment=”366868″][quote comment=”366867″]I’m guessing the Nats would misspell this single letter if they tried this design as a throwback

    http://www.legendary...

    or this[/quote]

    Perfect.
    The Mashington Washinals.[/quote]

    That’s funny!

    When the Washington baseball club relocated to DC, they should have kept the ‘Expos’ name and added an ‘é’ to the end of it (to maintain a bit of the French influence/pay tribute to Montréal).

    Could there ever be a better named sports team than the “Washington Exposé”? I’d buy a replica jersey… as long as there are no spelling errors.

    And, kinda like LI Phil’s awesome artistic endeavor, the ‘W’ on the hat could have been an upside down Montréal ‘M’.[/quote]

    couple months ago my buddy paulie soto mocked up how the natinals would have looked had they kept the expos’ orignal colors and fonts

    the washington expos

    better than what they’re wearing now

  • Ricko | December 15, 2009 at 7:22 pm |

    Is a Washinal like a urinal but with better-smelling soap?

  • interlockingtc | December 15, 2009 at 7:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”366873″][quote comment=”366871″]The Isles concepts are interesting, but I don’t like them as much as the ol’ Poopdeck Pappy, Gorton’s Fisherman sweater they wore in the mid Nineties. The rest of the world may loathe it, but every time I see that uniform, I feel happy inside.

    May God have mercy on my soul.[/quote]

    Ahem… God will not only make you a patron saint, he’ll anoint you third-in-command when you reach the Pearly Gates.

    I’d be second in line, of course, considering my undying, unwavering love of the Fisherman jersey.[/quote]

    Gentlemen, with all due respect…(and I do appreciate the honest pleasure you derive from something so obviously misguided and wrong–we’ve all been there)…but that Fisherman’s jersey should have never seen the light of day.

    That one got past God. (He wasn’t very attentive on the uniform in the 1990’s, was he?)

  • interlockingtc | December 15, 2009 at 7:49 pm |

    “the uniform front” I meant to say.

  • LI Matt | December 15, 2009 at 8:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”366858″]

    As an Arsenal fan I hate Tottenham, but it’s a shame their lovely white jerseys are going to be ruined by the Adidas stripes.[/quote]

    Spurs have worn Adidas before:

    1999-2001 home

    2001-2002 home

    1999-2000 away

    2000-2001 away

    2001-2002 away

  • Johnny F. | December 15, 2009 at 8:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”366884″]And here I thought I was the only person on earth who loved the Isles Fisherman unis, complete with their nausea-inducing numerals. It’s nice to know that there are at least a few Fishermanophiles out there.

    These Isles concepts were an attempt to use the colors and motifs from that ill-fated jersey while avoiding the feel of frozen cod packaging.

    By the way, I was a HUGE Islander fan from ’72 to ’90. (I was there for Nystrom’s goal.) However, I’ve always HATED how the Isles jerseys were so in-your-face about the 4 consecutive Stanley Cups. Anyone notice the not so in-your-face nod to the 4 Stanley Cups that appears on each concept?

    – Josh[/quote]

    Love those stripes man!

  • Alec | December 15, 2009 at 8:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”366871″]The Isles concepts are interesting, but I don’t like them as much as the ol’ Poopdeck Pappy, Gorton’s Fisherman sweater they wore in the mid Nineties. The rest of the world may loathe it, but every time I see that uniform, I feel happy inside.

    May God have mercy on my soul.[/quote]

    The biggest problem I had with the sweater(a very common problem) was use of the wordmark on the rest.

    While the Seattle Thunderbirds works as it is set withing the logo, having the wordmark beneath or above the image is a waste of real estate.

    My other pet peeve is having anyhing more than 3 colors in your kit. It worked in the fishstick sweater, but too often the 4th color is superfluous

  • curt Fain | December 15, 2009 at 9:00 pm |

    Have you seen the Oregon helmet on the Rose Bowl t-shirts? I have not seen that helmet before. Anyone else? http://www.footballf...

  • Alec | December 15, 2009 at 9:05 pm |

    The biggest problem I had with the fishsticks was that they had the wordmark on the crest. It’s a waste of real estate and a very common flaw found on hockey sweaters.
    My other pet peeve is having more than 3 colors on your sweater. It can work, but too often it usually doesn’t

  • Thomas Clark | December 15, 2009 at 9:05 pm |

    Gorton’s Fisherman sweater was awesome.

  • JimV19 | December 15, 2009 at 9:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”366933″]Fabulous old baseball pictures today. Man do I love seeing those.[/quote]

    They were great. And if you love those, head to your local bookstore for this:
    http://www.youtube.c...

    Great timing – I happened to come across this book tonight while shopping.

  • aflfan | December 15, 2009 at 9:32 pm |

    Got myself a Christmas present today. The Hockey News special editon on the sweaters. Merry Christmas to me. Also got a book on the 1908 baseball season called Crazy 08.

  • JTH | December 15, 2009 at 9:42 pm |

    Is Jason Grilli wearing a “Batting Stance Guy” t-shirt in that video?

  • aflfan | December 15, 2009 at 9:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”366949″]Is Jason Grilli wearing a “Batting Stance Guy” t-shirt in that video?[/quote]

    Yes that is.

  • LarryB | December 15, 2009 at 9:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”366947″][quote comment=”366933″]Fabulous old baseball pictures today. Man do I love seeing those.[/quote]

    They were great. And if you love those, head to your local bookstore for this:
    http://www.youtube.c...

    Great timing – I happened to come across this book tonight while shopping.[/quote]

    WOW great heads up JimV

  • LarryB | December 15, 2009 at 9:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”366943″]Have you seen the Oregon helmet on the Rose Bowl t-shirts? I have not seen that helmet before. Anyone else? http://www.footballf...

    Now that is interesting. I doubt the Ducks will use it since they are big on the O

    The Ducks never used that helmet from what I know.

  • LarryB | December 15, 2009 at 9:55 pm |

    Now it would be great if they put out a Football Americana Library of Congress book too.

  • LI Phil | December 15, 2009 at 9:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”366949″]Is Jason Grilli wearing a “Batting Stance Guy” t-shirt in that video?[/quote]

    a) yes

    b) is this the worst nameplate you’ve ever seen?

    seriously?

    joe hilseberg…how lame is it?

  • Chris | December 15, 2009 at 10:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”366943″]Have you seen the Oregon helmet on the Rose Bowl t-shirts? I have not seen that helmet before. Anyone else? http://www.footballf...

    THE Rose Bowl shirts??? Like this is an official shirt or something. On that same website there are dueling helmet shirts with the right helmet. On the Rose Bowl website there are better shirts with the right helmet. The Oregon section of the Nike website has the right helmet.

    I wouldn’t read anything into this crappy, practically knockoff shirt.

  • Flip | December 15, 2009 at 11:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”366955″][quote comment=”366943″]Have you seen the Oregon helmet on the Rose Bowl t-shirts? I have not seen that helmet before. Anyone else? http://www.footballf...

    THE Rose Bowl shirts??? Like this is an official shirt or something. On that same website there are dueling helmet shirts with the right helmet. On the Rose Bowl website there are better shirts with the right helmet. The Oregon section of the Nike website has the right helmet.

    I wouldn’t read anything into this crappy, practically knockoff shirt.[/quote]

    Knockoff for sure. Couldn’t risk using the “O,” so they used the baseball script: http://www.ducksport...

  • JTH | December 15, 2009 at 11:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”366954″][quote comment=”366949″]Is Jason Grilli wearing a “Batting Stance Guy” t-shirt in that video?[/quote]

    a) yes

    b) is this the worst nameplate you’ve ever seen?

    seriously?

    joe hilseberg…how lame is it?[/quote]
    No shit. That thing’s ridiculous.

    Was that William Van Landingham’s old jersey or something?

  • Ribby Paultz | December 15, 2009 at 11:33 pm |

    I know in the old days players shared gloves but there seems to be an extra in this picture. Anyone know why an extra glove would be left in the field?

    http://www.legendary...

  • Josh Jedwab | December 15, 2009 at 11:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”366941″][quote comment=”366884″]

    Love those stripes man![/quote]

    Way to go. You found the tribute to the 4 Stanley Cups.

  • LI Phil | December 15, 2009 at 11:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”366958″]I know in the old days players shared gloves but there seems to be an extra in this picture. Anyone know why an extra glove would be left in the field?

    http://www.legendary...

    they didn’t share gloves, but rather, they just left them in the field after their defensive half of an inning and picked them up upon their return to the field

    if you’ve ever seen 8 Men Out, there is at least one scene where charlie sheen retires a batter for a third out and flips his glove off his hand, into the air (don’t believe we see it land) as he trots off the field

    as soon as i saw that scene, i said to my (then) wife, “wow…nice touch…really got the details down” … not sure what her reply was, but i believe the look she shot me involved an eyeroll

  • Mark in Shiga | December 16, 2009 at 7:33 am |

    Looking at th eotherwise-unremarked comment abour shoulder yokes on baseball jerseys… I can’t find any photos online but the Seibu Lions had them a few yeara ago. The yokes, like the stupid collar logos, shoved the NOB and number too far down the players’ backs.

  • kevin | December 16, 2009 at 2:30 pm |

    Hey, Ill buy a pair of those Easton batting gloves if anyone wins them… (the white with powder blue logo) Shoot me an email if anyone wins them!

  • Arran | December 17, 2009 at 3:22 pm |

    Is it just me or do these two pics look to be taken at the same park and, who knows, maybe even on the same day.

    http://www.legendary...
    http://www.legendary...

    Thanks for posting some of these pics Paul.