By Phil Hecken, with Hockey Wing President Teebz, and Pollster James T. Huening
So I turned on Versus the other day, hoping maybe they’d be broadcasting the Grey Cup or perhaps some college football, or even some bull riding, and what to my wondering eyes should appear? Hockey! I didn’t even realize they still played anymore, much less had a national TV contract, but lo and behold, there they were. But something was off… one of the teams (does it really matter which?) was wearing a sweater I’d never seen before. So, I immediately dialed up the Hockey Wing President, Teebz, to give me the run down. “Oh yeah, they still play hockey, slapnuts,” he began, “and some of the teams have new third jerseys this year. Don’t you remember our posts last year about the alternate jerseys?” Shaking off the cobwebs, I did in fact recall something to that effect. So I said to myself: “Self. We have to take a look at the new thirds. In fact, we gotta see what the readers think of them too — even last year’s efforts.”
So, I conscripted Teebz and my buddy and UW pollster James Huening to craft this post, in which Teebz will describe the new sweaters and then you’ll be asked to rate them, much as you did in the NFL Uniform Polls. Some of them are pretty sweet, some are kind of “meh,” and others will make you say, “what were they thinking.” Being that opinions are myriad, we thought you’d like to rank them. Without further ado, then, I bring you Pollster James, and the Chancellor of Canuckistan, Teebz, who’ll let you bear witness to the complete listing of NHL third jerseys. We’re gonna give you two chances to vote, both before and after the preview. James?
Here we are once again asking for you to answer a survey. The format this time around is similar to the surveys we did for the NFL uniforms. We’d like you to give each NHL third/alternate uniform a rating from 0 (terrible) to 5 (outstanding). We’d also like to know which one you think is the best and which one you think is the worst. There is a bit of a twist this time. Please let us know your overall view of the NHL’s alternate uniforms.
OK, now that we’ve gotten that out of the way, we can get on with it already. So at this time, I’ll turn things over to the Hockey Blogger in Canada (and unofficial president of the Uni Watch “Hockey Wing”) himself. Here’s Teebz:
NHL Thirds
by Teebz
Atlanta: Georgia is football country, and the Thrashers are trying to blend in.
Boston: the primary and secondary logos swap places as the Bruins stay in black.
Buffalo: Buffalo opts to go with their retro look with necessary gray armpit fabric.
Carolina: Carolina opts for black, and moves their secondary logo to the chest. The primary logo goes invisible on the shoulder. No explanation given as to why they use the “tropical storm” flag.
Chicago: The Blackhawks bring back their popular Winter Classic look with an added secondary logo on the shoulder. Officially, Dustin Byfuglien is wearing the Reebok logo.
Colorado: The Avalanche go baby blue and diagonal with the state’s name. Apparently, the Avalanche want to be glaciers.
Dallas: The Stars also adopt the football look with their alternate, helping to make the state of Texas proud.
Edmonton: The Oilers bring back the colours they wore when Gretzky & Co. were a major part of “The City of Champions”.
Florida: Florida incorporates the baby blue into their jerseys, and simplifies while modernizes the panther in their logo. Shoulder logo has been updated so senior citizens and Canadian snowbirds aren’t afraid of the evil panther. Milk cartons across Miami ask “what happened to red”.
Los Angeles: Los Angeles returns to the black-and-silver, but not this black-and-silver. The logo is brand-new, but somewhat inexplicable as to why it looks like a pencil.
Minnesota: The Wild decided to go with the scripted name across their chests. No explanation given as to why their current primary logo is absent. The Wild bring back a green jersey.
Nashville: The Predators go black-and-blue with their alternate jersey. Checkerboard patterns on the shoulder logo and the hem stripe honour Nashville’s rich motorsports history. Nashville changed their font to something more basic.
New York Islanders: The Islanders debuted their new alternate jerseys this season. You know I had to work the Fisherman in there! In all seriousness, the Islanders have stuck with their retro look, and will be wearing them all season starting in 2010-11.
Ottawa: The Senators go black and are wearing their nickname proudly. Because the Ottawa Sens are a heck of a hockey club.
Philadelphia: The Flyers actually did good by maintaining a trend. The Flyers swapped last year’s alternate jersey with their home jersey, making the black jersey their alternate for this season. Dan Carcillo is far too excited about this.
Phoenix: The Coyotes went for a black jersey with a leaping coyote on their chests. The shoulder logo on the left side is a paw print rather than their primary logo as they have on the right side. How many logos can one team wear?
Pittsburgh: The Penguins continue to wear their Winter Classic jerseys as their alternate jerseys. Rumour has it that this jersey will be retired after this season in favour of a new alternate design.
San Jose: The Sharks love their black alternate jerseys featuring the “SJ” shoulder logo. Just so we attract the animal lovers out there, this is a black shark, known by its Latin name labeo Chrysophekadion. It is normally found in freshwater aquariums and is quite docile. It’s also a member of the carp family. Ergo, ladies and gentlemen, here is a school of San Jose Carps.
St. Louis: St. Louis goes a little darker in their alternate uniform. The chest logo incorporates that famous St. Louis landmark.
Tampa Bay: The Lightning, like their expansion cousins in Ottawa, decided to put their nickname prominently across their chests. The Tampa Bay Bolts also wanted to be different, so they put the city’s name on the hem. So when the players sit down, Tampa Bay is looking right up someone’s… well, you know.
Toronto: The Maple Leafs brought back the old-style Leafs jersey as their alternate. It’s too bad that the Leafs are playing like the Maple Leafs of the mid-1980s instead of the Maple Leafs of the 1950s.
Vancouver: The Canucks went retro as well, keeping the stick-in-rink alternate. Yes, it has been changed slightly, but it’s still better than some of the other options. Much better.
Thank you James and Teebz! Excellent rundown. But we’re not done yet — now that you’ve seen the thirds, we need you to vote on them. Yeah, we posted the link to the poll above, but that was before Teebz influenced your vote. So, if you haven’t already done so, please
We’ll tally the votes and be back with the results real soon. Thanks!
Got a little “contest” for you all today. With the “Uni Watch Winter Classic” no longer a ‘viable’ name for the January 22-24, 2010 event many of us are attending — quite simply, the term “Winter Classic” is the term being used for the NHL’s New Year’s Day hockey game — we need you to come up with something so good…so clever…it can really both describe and the events of the weekend and the spirit of Uni Watch. Basically, the ‘slogan’ we’re looking for must pass Paul’s Is It Good or Is It Stupid test. “Winter Classic” is a fail not because it’s inherently stupid — but because it’s completely unoriginal.
So, if you scroll down to the second item in this post, the one where it says “Winter Classic Update,” you’ll get an idea of the events being planned for the weekend. Not only will there be the Pond Hockey Championships, which Paul will be covering for ESPN (and many of us will be attending), but there are several other activities (including, of course, a “Gathering” for all Uni Watchers), in which we can all partake. Use this as your guide for a slogan.
Post your suggestions in the comments below. If we can come up with a clever enough ‘slogan’ we’ll think about a logo contest, possibly to be put on some t-shirts for everyone who makes the trek. Give it your best shot, Uni Watchers — we’re counting on you and we hope to see you there.
Back with more NFL tweaks/revisions/concepts from you guys today. Great stuff ahead. Keep sending them my way.
We begin today with Brad Keppler, who has three teams he’s provided revisions to: Seahawks, Bills and Panthers. Here’s Brad:
With the recent flurry of NFL uniforms tweaks, I decided to make my own version of a team. I, like most of the uniwatch world, am an old school guy. I prefer classic traditional looks over the modern “bumper sticker” approach. So i narrowed my selection down to what i consider the worst uniforms in the NFL. The Vikings, Bengals, Seahawks, Bills, and Cardinals.
I quickly realized that all the Vikings need to do to fix their monstrosities, is revert back to the Cris Carter era uniforms, both home and away. by doing so, they have instantly gone from looking like power rangers to a professional football team. problem solved.
Being a Steeler fan myself, part of me enjoys the fact that Cincinnati looks like an low class arena football team with a halloween hard on. So I didnt really want to “help them out”.
The Bills are another team that could be “fixed” by reverting to an older uniform. I personally like the “juice’s” era.
So it comes down to the Seahawks and the Cardinals. I decided to redesign the Seahawks because i felt the colors and logo would present a nice challenge. Here is what I came up with.
I went back to the silver helmet with the updated mean seahawk logo. I always loved the seahawk sleeve stripes they had back in the old days. I thought Id bring those back with the updated logo. I actually dont m ind the electric lime green as long as it is used appropriately. Obviously a lime green jersey is out of the question. But I feel it really pops as an accent on the sleeves, collar, and pants. The lesson here Seattle is “Less is More”. Addition by subtraction in my mind. Hope you all can agree with me.
Thanks,
Brad
Brad also sent along his concept for the Carolina Panthers.
Next up is Rafael Ortiz-Torrez, who has some interesting concepts for the Miami Dolphins:
Mr. Hecken
First of all, I would like to thank you for including my New Orleans Saints Tweak in the November 23 set.
This is my idea for a Miami Dolphins concept…
Logo: The same with a few alterations; most of the navy is replaced with aqua, while some is replaced with white.
Wordmarks: Current script, altering it to loosely base it off the classic Dolphins scripts of the 70’s, 80’s and early 90’s.
Helmet: navy stripes are replaced with white; aqua facemask stays.
Uniforms: Arm stripes are based off the late 70’s-early 80’s Dolphins jerseys. Wordmarks are on the jerseys (see above for wordmarks). Only white pants with a coral-aqua-coral stripe would be used.
Numerals: Simple, yet somewhat unique, thin block numerals with a thick coral outline, loosley based off the early 70’s Dolphins uniforms.
Again, thank you, Mr, Hecken
Ralph
Moving along we have Kieran Chapman, who was intrigued by my recent post about “changing” the classic NFL unis, and who decided he’d do just that, with the Colts and the Bears:
Chicago ”“ they currently use a well loved classic look that is virtually unchanged since the 1950s. While I have no problem with the look, I couldn’t help but wonder what they might look like with a modern twist. I have changed the home jersey to orange with Navy numbers (as they had in the 30s) and paired it with navy pants as I am a fan of matching Helmet/pant and jersey/sock combinations. I have also added the stripe to the helmet (to match the pant stripe) and changed the facemask to orange to add a little colour. You will note that there is very little white, which is intentional for no reason other than its a bit different!
The road jersey is white with orange numbers outlined in navy and the alternate is an all navy look (which I’m guessing you’ll hate!) with lots of orange. On all jersies, I have added ”˜CHICAGO’ to the chest rather than bears, as the city is so loyal to the franchise, I thought they deserved a mention! In an ideal world, I would have the graphical expertise to add GSH to the sleeve. I also thought the three stripes on the sleeve could remain, in the form of a bear claw-mark /slash type thing. Again, beyond my capability to show here, but it was an idea.
Colts ”“ again a team that don’t really need changing, but what if they did. I decided to add another colour to their outfits and chose yellow (or gold!) as I am such a big fan of the old Rams outfit that was worn once this season against the Vikes. So the home outfit is basically the same as now but with some yellow accents including a yellow facemask and 2 yellow stripes on the helmet.
The road outfit features a blue Helmet (so I can stick with my matching pants/helmet idea – I have no idea if that’s legal in the NFL or not, but hey this is my game!!) once the blue pants were in place and again features yellow highlights. And finally, adding a third colour to their look gives scope for an alternate yellow jersey with blue highlights!
Thanks for taking the time to read this! Let me know what you think and keep up the great column.
Cheers, Kieran.
And next is Ryan Van Buskirk, who has his own ideas on how to improve the Patriots:
I was messing around with the patriots unis, prior to this season (by the way – love throwbacks) I was thinking they should ditch the “dirty gray” alternates and go with a red alternate. Well, they did ditch the gray, but word is the new alternate is the throwback. So I messed around (using MS Paint – sorry) with the unis, one with Blue Striping/Pants, and the “away” socks, but that maybe looks too much like the texans :)
The second one, is with gray stripes/pants, and just for kicks – the throwback socks. Would love to hear feedback on it. Again, sorry for the crappy MS Paint job.
Ryan Van Buskirk.
And winding it up for today is Joshua Bennett, who admits what you’re about to see are not his actual designs, but are designs he found and wanted to share. I was a little reticent about including these, but since there are some interesting concepts to be found, I said, “what the hell.” Here’s Josh:
Hi Phil, long time reader, first time contributer. I DID NOT CREATE THESE, but i wanted to share them with the uniwatch community. On a site called football-freaks.com, where people make updates and mods for the PC version of Madden, a user named “anthonyjh7” posted what he calls “new age unis”. There aresome hits and misses, but they are all vry interesting. Included is the home/away for all the teams, and any alternates that were included. Thank for reading, and you and Paul keep up the great work!
-Josh
Rather than post all 82 (!) designs individually, I’ve put them into a flickr album for your amusement. Enjoy!
That’s all for today. Thanks to everyone who contributed, and there are still more to come. Keep sending them my way.
Rick’s back with a new strip for you all, which I’ll have him intro is a sec. Hey Ricko, is that Ozzie at the bar? Here’s Mr. Pearson:
In “World O’Benchies” everyone has story. And, strangely enough, everyone seems to have an ex, too. Go figure.
Enjoy your Saturday Benchies.
Guess The Game From The Scoreboard: Jumping from the diamond and the gridion today to the hardwood. This really shouldn’t be terribly difficult, but it’s a change of pace, and maybe a hint to send some more (and more difficult) of these my way. I’m not sure if there exists a “box score” for this per se, but you can certainly find something which indicates the date, location, teams and final score. Ready? Guess The Game From The Scoreboard. And, as always, if you enjoy the game, please send me some new scoreboards! Drop me a line. Thanks!
Army & Navy will meet today in their 110th matchup, at 2:30 EST at Lincoln Financial Field in Philly. Last year’s game proved to be quite an interesting uniform matchup, with both teams being outfitted in Nike “Enforcer” uniforms. Will they both don “Pro Combat” unis today? In this instance, such terminology might actually make sense. Bill the Goat has had the decided on-field advantage over the mules, taking the past 7 games. Even though neither team is exactly a football powerhouse anymore (although in 1944 & 1945 both teams were ranked #1 & #2 respectively), the game has enough tradition to warrant being almost a Bowl game. From its earliest days, and up through the 1950’s, the uniforms have always been classic … well, until last year anyway. Will they wear something unique again today? Guess we’ll just have to watch to find out. (Thanks to Larry Bodnovich for those beautiful color pics).
Anybody have any interest in those NCAA Bowl Game pools that seem to be gaining popularity these days? You guys know how Vince runs the annual NC2A Tourney Pool for Basketball? This is kinda sorta the same thing, only for football. They pretty much work the same way, only different — you simply pick the winners of each bowl. If so, and you know how to set these sort of things up, drop me a line. In the comments below, simply mention if you have any interest in a “mini-contest” and we can get it set up in time for the Bowl games. If there’s interest, we’ll do it…if not, well…we won’t. It’s that simple. Thanks.
Well, there you have it. Remember ”” come up with a good slogan for the Uni Watch Winter Classic Uni Watch (fill in the blank) thing with the pond hockey and gathering and sports and unis and ”¦ well lots of good stuff. And let me know if you have interest in a Bowl contest. And of course, thanks to Teebz and JTH for help with the NHL third jersey descriptions and poll. DON’T FORGET TO VOTE. Good stuff coming tomorrow too. I was planning on taking an “indefinite break” from the column to focus on becoming a better husband, father and person”¦but I guess I’ll just be back tomorrow instead.
Everyone have a fantastic Saturday.
Paul, or anyone.
I’m visiting NYC from Miami on short notice. (I’m here now in a Hotel in LIC/ Queensboro Plaza right next to the 7 Subway).
Anything to do at “Shea”Field or Yankee Stadium duiring th eoffseason. I want to see those structures, but I also want to be able to see a team museum or something. Thanks guys!
Tubby from Miami
Probably the only Marlin/Met fan alive.
That makes two Marlin fans here in the morning! And I only root for the Mets when they play the Yanks, or when it is otherwise convenient!
The hockey poll looks fun. I’ll vote tomorrow night when I return home. You know I won’t be picking the new Panthers alts as my fave.
I am very interested in a bowl pickem contest. Just show me the way since I’ll be playing anyway.
My gathering name suggestions are:
“Uniwatch Takes to the Minnesotan Ice”
“Uniwatch Gathering: On Ice”
“Uniwatch Visits the Land of 10,000 Frozen Lakes”
“Uniwatch On Ice: In the Land of 10,000 Frozen Lakes”
How bout Uniwatch-Into the Minnesotan Wild
Yes there is a N at the end of the word Minnesota. Not because I dont know how to spell it though. Try to use the City name of the team as a describing word.
You can try to do it with other cities the next few years as well.
LI PHil, here’s my entry: “Out of Shape Middle-aged Men in Sports-themed Outfits in Frigid Temps Instead of Musty Bars.”
And Tampa Bay on the Bolts isn’t CNOB (or whatever your preferred moniker). It’s Area Name on Butt (ANOB).
Peace ya’ll.
“’Winter Classic’ is a fail not because it’s inherently stupid – but because it’s completely unoriginal.”
You know what’s even more inherently stupid? Using FAIL as a subjective. Seriously?! I thought Uni Watch was too good, but Phil has succumbed to the most idiotic trend of the millennium. ENOUGH ALREADY.
Re: Army-Navy today.
No rumors of uniform surprises, but if anyone watches footage of the Corps of Cadets march-on before the game, look for some Army ROTC cadets mixed in with the cadets in gray. In addition to the few always-there exchange cadets from the Air Force Academy and the Coast Guard Academy, about 100 Army ROTC cadets will be marching with the Corps. Not sure what they’re wearing, but they’ll look different from the ~4000 West Point cadets in gray.
Because there are couple well-known ski races around here called the “Birkebinder” and the “Vassaloppet”…
And, because we’ll probably go a Wolves game in addition to the pond hockey and our pub gathering…
UniWatch “SCHNAPPSENHOOPSENHOCKE”
(That doesn’t exactly work in a one column headline, though, does it)
—Ricko
RE: Colts & Bears Uni’s:
They look like Syracuse & Deleware
Uni-Watch
National
Invitational:
Winter
All-Sport
Themed
Championship
Hometown Throwdown?
(too much yeah, I know I know, I tried something different though!)
way too easy to just google the final score- link
The Uni Watch Winter Meetings
Uni Watch: Into the Wild
I know, not very original. I’ll keep working on it.
UniWatch POND TREK
(That’s like a pub crawl. Only outdoors. In the cold. Therefore dumber.)
UniWatch FROZEN ENTRE
UniWatch FREEZER BURN
(btw, the point of my calling it the UW “Winter Classic” WAS that it was unoriginal. Tongue-in-cheek. Know what I mean?).
UniWatch WINTER THING
UniWatch WINTER WANDERLAND
(maybe a “Swede” spin?)
UniWatch VINTER VONDERLAND, BY GOLLY
—Ricko
Nice coverage of the thirds in the NHL. IMO if your are going to have a third it should a uniform from you past (Vancouver, Toronto, Edmonton as example). Sorry new clubs you are left out.
As for a NCAA bowl pool. COUNT ME IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’ll be grand to have you all in our fair state, subzero windchills and all. This might be a stretch, but since unis are at the core: the Uni Watch HOT SEW LEAGUE.
How about Uniponder? It ties in the website, pond hockey and pondering about uniforms at the meeting.
[quote comment=”366394″]How about Uniponder? It ties in the website, pond hockey and pondering about uniforms at the meeting.[/quote]
Are you pondering what I’m pondering?
I think so Brain, but why would a blue and orange team use a brown logo? Narf!
The Orange County (CA) Register’s high school sports page is running a “O.C. Top 20 Football Uniform” page. It is kinda dominated by the swoosh and I don’t know if I agree with all the choices but there are some good high school uniforms to look at.
link
The Tampa Bay Bolts also wanted to be different, so they put the city’s name on the hem. So when the players sit down, Tampa Bay is looking right up someone’s… well, you know.
-The city is “Tampa”; the body of water is “Tampa Bay”
UW’s Pond with the Wind… chill.
UW’s Pond The Road Again
UW’s Wild Blue Ponder
UW’s Frostbite Watch
UW’s Greatest Game On Pond
There are lots of slogans. Just get creative, people! :o)
[quote comment=”366397″]The Tampa Bay Bolts also wanted to be different, so they put the city’s name on the hem. So when the players sit down, Tampa Bay is looking right up someone’s… well, you know.
-The city is “Tampa”; the body of water is “Tampa Bay”[/quote]
The cities of Tampa and St. Petersburg are represented by Tampa Bay. It has nothing to do with water whatsoever. It is one market in the sports world. Since Tampa is the bigger city and where the Lightning are based, I chose to run with “city” rather than “region” because it’s where the team is located.
However, if you’d allow: “The Tampa Bay Bolts also wanted to be different, so they put the region’s name on the hem. So when the players sit down, the entire region surrounding the body of water called ‘Tampa Bay’ is looking right up someone’s… well, you know”. Better?
The ‘1950’s’ link in the Army-Navy writeup is of a Boston College vs Navy game….
TOQUE FEST
Attendees don’t get a t-shirt, they get link, don’tcha know.
hey phil, thanks for posting my email, even though you didnt spell check for me. haha. anyway i realized i never included my favorites and hates. i liked the niners home, jaguars away, and the giants. i hated the browns and dolphins. YUCK!
What, no love for Calgary’s thirds?
Guess the Scoreboard:
link
[quote comment=”366403″]What, no love for Calgary’s thirds?[/quote]
They aren’t officially alternate jerseys. They are only being worn at home five times this season. Otherwise, we’d have to include all of Montreal’s jerseys this season as well.
[quote comment=”366405″][quote comment=”366403″]What, no love for Calgary’s thirds?[/quote]
They aren’t officially alternate jerseys. They are only being worn at home five times this season. Otherwise, we’d have to include all of Montreal’s jerseys this season as well.[/quote]
well, there’s that and there’s also no love ;)
AND the devils, and the flyers and the broons….
I’m pretty sure if the Bengals put Michigan stripes on their helmets, the city of Cincinnati would revolt.
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Regarding the reader you suggested red alts for the Patriots: Are you sure? I don’t think the Patriots should wear “red coats” for historical reasons, hmm?
[quote comment=”366408″]I’m pretty sure if the Bengals put Michigan stripes on their helmets, the city of Cincinnati would revolt.
link
I’d say for the sake of sanity, that they only used that helmet pattern due to the limited choices of TeamBuilder. There’s absolutely no way to get anything resembling tiger stripes, on any part of the uniform.
Phil and Paul’s Pond Party, Packed with Peripatetic Participants, with Possible Partaking of Potent Potations. PPPPPPPPPPP for short.
I feel I should correct you on the NHL third jerseys.
As far as the Edmonton Oilers are concerned, the classic blue/orange from the Gretzky era are now the official home jerseys. The navy and copper has been relegated to third jersey status.
ON FROZEN POND
[quote comment=”366413″]ON FROZEN POND[/quote]
Already a well-known hockey blog.
[quote comment=”366414″][quote comment=”366413″]ON FROZEN POND[/quote]
Already a well-known hockey blog.[/quote]
apparently not
[quote comment=”366415″][quote comment=”366414″][quote comment=”366413″]ON FROZEN POND[/quote]
Already a well-known hockey blog.[/quote]
apparently not[/quote]
That’s ok.
The majority of Americans aren’t even aware that there is such a game called “hawkee”. LOL
[quote comment=”366385″]Phil has succumbed to the most idiotic trend of the millennium. ENOUGH ALREADY.[/quote]
You could say the same thing about “So I said to myself: Self…” and lame jokes about NHL TV contracts.
Today’s intro is quite the steaming pile of poo. How many times do you need to begin a sentence with “So…”???
YOU AREN’T WITTY!
[quote comment=”366417″][quote comment=”366385″]Phil has succumbed to the most idiotic trend of the millennium. ENOUGH ALREADY.[/quote]
You could say the same thing about “So I said to myself: Self…” and lame jokes about NHL TV contracts.
Today’s intro is quite the steaming pile of poo. How many times do you need to begin a sentence with “So…”???
YOU AREN’T WITTY![/quote]
Um, there are, by my quick, unscientific count, seven sentences in the entire article that start with the word “so”. The jokes about the lame TV contracts are entirely true since DirecTV doesn’t carry Versus anymore, so there are even less households getting the station.
Just as an aside…
HOW MANY SENTENCES IN THIS WORLD NEED ALL CAPITAL LETTERS?
Based on the fact that it will only be worn once (St. Patty’s Day), I suppose that the “Return of the NJ Devils Christmas Tree Jersey” doesn’t qualify as a true third jersey. I think it deserves some love on this blog, though. (It will, however, break an impressive streak of resistance by Sweet Lou and the Devils brass to the third jersey pressure.) One big question: Anyone have any news on when this sweater will be available for purchase? Devils fans eagerly await its return. I’ll be sporting my “BRODEUR 29” jersey as soon as its available.
[quote comment=”366415″][quote comment=”366414″][quote comment=”366413″]ON FROZEN POND[/quote]
Already a well-known hockey blog.[/quote]
apparently not[/quote]
Nope, never heard of it.
[quote comment=”366419″]Based on the fact that it will only be worn once (St. Patty’s Day), I suppose that the “Return of the NJ Devils Christmas Tree Jersey” doesn’t qualify as a true third jersey. I think it deserves some love on this blog, though. (It will, however, break an impressive streak of resistance by Sweet Lou and the Devils brass to the third jersey pressure.) One big question: Anyone have any news on when this sweater will be available for purchase? Devils fans eagerly await its return. I’ll be sporting my “BRODEUR 29” jersey as soon as its available.[/quote]
As far as I’ve heard, it will not be available until the team has worn it.
Very nice job with that Seahawks uniform concept Brad Keppler. Do you mind if I link to it at my greenglare site? Giving you credit of course.
Phil: My site’s server is down temporarily. Should be back up and running within a few minutes.
How about:
Uni Watch “Cold One” Weekend
Does that capture the true meaning?
Thanks, Teebz. If that’s true, it seems like (yet another) colossal marketing blunder on the part of the Devils. I can understand (and appreciate) Lou & Company’s reluctance to put cheesy marketing gimmicks above winning on the ice (and the Devils have, in many ways, been the model hockey franchise of the last 15 years– on the ice). However, I question what good can come of completely cutting off your fans from nostalgic souvenirs of an earlier era. You may even make some money and spur some much-needed interest along the way. I see plenty of Hartford Whalers merchandise for sale. I’m sure the Carolina Hurricanes are laughing all the way to the bank as they clean up on wistful northeasterners. If you’re going to finally break down and wear a jersey that the fans miss, why would you not release it for sale before Christmas?? Who is this marketing strategy benefitting other than EBay sellers? I don’t get it.
[quote comment=”366422″]Very nice job with that Seahawks uniform concept Brad Keppler. Do you mind if I link to it at my greenglare site? Giving you credit of course.
Phil: My site’s server is down temporarily. Should be back up and running within a few minutes.[/quote]
I couldn’t agree more. Great work!
[quote comment=”366424″]Thanks, Teebz. If that’s true, it seems like (yet another) colossal marketing blunder on the part of the Devils. I can understand (and appreciate) Lou & Company’s reluctance to put cheesy marketing gimmicks above winning on the ice (and the Devils have, in many ways, been the model hockey franchise of the last 15 years– on the ice). However, I question what good can come of completely cutting off your fans from nostalgic souvenirs of an earlier era. You may even make some money and spur some much-needed interest along the way. I see plenty of Hartford Whalers merchandise for sale. I’m sure the Carolina Hurricanes are laughing all the way to the bank as they clean up on wistful northeasterners. If you’re going to finally break down and wear a jersey that the fans miss, why would you not release it for sale before Christmas?? Who is this marketing strategy benefitting other than EBay sellers? I don’t get it.[/quote]
The Hurricanes do not own the rights to the Whalers’ logos and marks. The NHL does. Part of the agreement in letting Karmanos take the team south was that the city of Hartford would retain the rights to the Hartford Whalers images. With their protective rights expiring, the NHL regained control of the Whale Tail.
As for Lou, there is still talk of the throwbacks looking like the current jerseys, only having the black replaced with green. It’s my hope that Lou would have more sense than that, but only time will tell, I suppose.
Would love to do a bowl pool. Have done one with my brother the last few years. Just on a schedule sheet using two different marker colors. This will be fun. Better act quick. New Mexico Bowl is next Thursday.
Regarding the Blackhawks third jersey:
It is not quite their Winter Classic jersey. The indian head logo is slightly different. Plus the lacing is different. See the two links. In the second one, the first seconds of the video are zoomed in on the logo.
link
link
CWac19 – You may want to get a “Brodeur 30” jersey instead, seeing how he doesn’t wear #29.
The Isles jersey that was posted is not the one they are wearing this season; it’s actually from a few seasons ago. Their alternate this season is the same but with white numbering/lettering, not orange.
[quote comment=”366427″]Would love to do a bowl pool. Have done one with my brother the last few years. Just on a schedule sheet using two different marker colors. This will be fun. Better act quick. New Mexico Bowl is next Thursday.[/quote]
Um, Last I checked the 19th is Saturday and the New Mexico Bowl is the 19th.
[quote comment=”366423″]How about:
Uni Watch “Cold One” Weekend
Does that capture the true meaning?[/quote]
I like where ya goin’ with this one.
LOVE the Nashville shoulder patch with the skull. Forget about the politics it raises (dead hockey club or something.) Have to appreciate them sticking with the gargantuan fangs.
Love your tweaks Brad! I liked the Bills one especially. But I think they need some “stripeage” to keep themselves from looking like the Texans (and vice versa).
link
Where’s my dead horse?….Oh, there it is…
About the Canucks. Again.
Teebz, I respect you, but be honest….this:
link
Makes a mockery of this:
link
At least the V sweater was a complete and unapologetic rebranding (which I actually liked!).
Gimme some stink-in-rink love here somebody!
Maybe this Canuck link works…
link
This Canuck link???
link
[quote comment=”366405″][quote comment=”366403″]What, no love for Calgary’s thirds?[/quote]
They aren’t officially alternate jerseys. They are only being worn at home five times this season. Otherwise, we’d have to include all of Montreal’s jerseys this season as well.[/quote]
Fair enough – I don’t get the reason for calling Edmonton’s throwbacks “alternates” and not Calgary’s (other than the number of the times they’re worn), but that’s neither here nor there. Whatever you call them, Calgary’s are as nice looking as anything on the list.
[quote comment=”366429″]CWac19 – You may want to get a “Brodeur 30” jersey instead, seeing how he doesn’t wear #29.
The Isles jersey that was posted is not the one they are wearing this season; it’s actually from a few seasons ago. Their alternate this season is the same but with white numbering/lettering, not orange.[/quote]
Brodeur link when he first came up with the Devils.
The Isles do have the white numbers. My bad on that one as I was looking for a good dressing room picture. Good catch, Steve!
How about “Pond Hockey Championship”?
[quote comment=”366437″][quote comment=”366405″][quote comment=”366403″]What, no love for Calgary’s thirds?[/quote]
They aren’t officially alternate jerseys. They are only being worn at home five times this season. Otherwise, we’d have to include all of Montreal’s jerseys this season as well.[/quote]
Fair enough – I don’t get the reason for calling Edmonton’s throwbacks “alternates” and not Calgary’s (other than the number of the times they’re worn), but that’s neither here nor there. Whatever you call them, Calgary’s are as nice looking as anything on the list.[/quote]
Totally agree, Mike. I would appreciate the Flames more if they actually used their throwbacks as often as some other teams use their alternates. It’s still one of my favorite looks, and is 1000x better than their current look.
[quote comment=”366434″]Where’s my dead horse?….Oh, there it is…
About the Canucks. Again.
Teebz, I respect you, but be honest….this:
link
Makes a mockery of this:
link
At least the V sweater was a complete and unapologetic rebranding (which I actually liked!).
Gimme some stink-in-rink love here somebody![/quote]
I like the stick-in-rink, TC. In fact, I like it better than any of the other choices they could have chosen. It has changed slightly, and I grant you that, but it is still the best alternate they have worn in their history.
[quote comment=”366433″]Love your tweaks Brad! I liked the Bills one especially. But I think they need some “stripeage” to keep themselves from looking like the Texans (and vice versa).
link
Good thing I read the posts before I comment. I was thinking the exact same thing. Growing up in upstate New York, I’m a huge bills fan (sadly) and I couldn’t agree more we need a uniform tweak. Well, I don’t even know if it qualifies as a tweak when the whole thing needs to be revamped. Anyways, that look is Texans’ish but it looks great. It is a great concept. It’s old school and new school, maybe some more striping. I like the navy blue as well! I like the white helmets and they could use either the retro buffalo or the new one as you had made.
Great work!
From link:
“If you get within earshot of the Arizona Cardinals on Monday night, tell ’em they can’t go to the playoffs if they keep wearing all-red uniforms at home. This isn’t Halloween.”
[quote comment=”366437″][quote comment=”366405″][quote comment=”366403″]What, no love for Calgary’s thirds?[/quote]
They aren’t officially alternate jerseys. They are only being worn at home five times this season. Otherwise, we’d have to include all of Montreal’s jerseys this season as well.[/quote]
Fair enough – I don’t get the reason for calling Edmonton’s throwbacks “alternates” and not Calgary’s (other than the number of the times they’re worn), but that’s neither here nor there. Whatever you call them, Calgary’s are as nice looking as anything on the list.[/quote]
Oh, and Edmonton’s were actually worn as alternate jerseys in terms of the 15 dates they wore them last season.
As Ian pointed out above, they are being worn at home this season as their home jerseys, but they were true alternates when they were introduced last season.
[quote comment=”366438″][quote comment=”366429″]CWac19 – You may want to get a “Brodeur 30” jersey instead, seeing how he doesn’t wear #29.
The Isles jersey that was posted is not the one they are wearing this season; it’s actually from a few seasons ago. Their alternate this season is the same but with white numbering/lettering, not orange.[/quote]
Brodeur link when he first came up with the Devils.
The Isles do have the white numbers. My bad on that one as I was looking for a good dressing room picture. Good catch, Steve![/quote]
Obviously didn’t know that about Brodeur – didn’t even realize he ever wore that uniform. Very cool.
just to show you how much i’ve been following the sport thus far…
i know the flames wore this in 1989…is this what they’re wearing for their “third sweater” this year too?
/promises to watch hockey in 2010
[quote comment=”366446″]just to show you how much i’ve been following the sport thus far…
i know the flames wore link…is this what they’re wearing for their “third sweater” this year too?
/promises to watch hockey in 2010[/quote]
You also promised me world peace and an E-Z-Bake oven last year, but I didn’t see that happen. ;o)
Nice post, Phil. I’ve complete the hockey survey….and for the first time in a couple of years, the Penguins third kit is not my favorite. I’m actually getting tired of it (which may be an unpopular statement).
Love the Army-Navy coverage….I’m curious to see if you’ll see more mentions or logos of “West Point” and less usage of the word “Army”. Here at West Point, they are working on completely phasing out the usage of the word “Army” on all official West Point sports gear. We are no longer allowed to even sell anything at the golf course with an “Army Golf” logo… just “West Point Golf”. The whole idea, according to the people in charge, is that there are many armies. Many U.S. Army locations….but only 1 West Point.
They are also, in an effort to bring back some nostalgia…. bringing back the AWESOME “A with the kicking mule” logo. The “darth vader” black knight isn’t going anywhere just yet, but the old school guys hate it. Ironically, we have logos with the A/mule, but surrounded by the words “West Point Golf” and not “Army Golf”. Mixing the old with the new, I suppose.
Lastly, the official army gold is “pantone 467″….which has created quite a controversy…. as it doesn’t really look gold, especially when next to a real gold. Almost a beige….which is odd. The whole “pantone 467” thing has turned into an inside joke all over post.
Anyway, it’s food for thought and an interesting discussion booster. GO ARMY! BEAT NAVY!
The ESPN Madden simulation between the ‘Skins and Raiders has both teams wearing color….
link
I wish the NFL would actually allow this.
[quote comment=”366446″]just to show you how much i’ve been following the sport thus far…
i know the flames wore link…is this what they’re wearing for their “third sweater” this year too?
/promises to watch hockey in 2010[/quote]
The throwback has the NHL shield on the neckline, but other than that, yep.
Minneapolis ’10: UniBetcha
UniCon ’10: The Breezer Bowl
I’d love it if Vancouver used this a third/alt jersey: link
Or this one, minus the wordmark:
link
Hmmm, may have to try my hand at some of this DIY stuff…
[quote comment=”366450″]The ESPN Madden simulation between the ‘Skins and Raiders has both teams wearing color….
link
I wish the NFL would actually allow this.[/quote]
Not gonna happen.
(see long discussion yesterday).
Please, everyone, stop equating what works in Madden with what works–and doesn’t work–in the real world. You can’t go only by how something looks on a computer or TV screen. There is SO much to it than that…if you bother to apply any pragmatism whatsoever.
—Ricko
Oy.
Navy appears to be going with a color-on-color version of the Enforcer gear of last year — seems to be the H.M.S. Pinafore model.
[quote comment=”366455″]Oy.
Navy appears to be going with a color-on-color version of the Enforcer gear of last year — seems to be the H.M.S. Pinafore model.[/quote]
Well, chalk up atleast 1 win for Army. Their kits are FAR superior to Navy’s.
great shot of Franklin Field with one deck
link
vs
link
A great place to watch a game, it will go down in history as the last place the Eagles won a title (1960) until at least 2013, when Andy Reid’s new deal is up
Uniwatch: The Frozen Four(um)
[quote comment=”366454″][quote comment=”366450″]The ESPN Madden simulation between the ‘Skins and Raiders has both teams wearing color….
link
I wish the NFL would actually allow this.[/quote]
Not gonna happen.
(see long discussion yesterday).
Please, everyone, stop equating what works in Madden with what works–and doesn’t work–in the real world. You can’t go only by how something looks on a computer or TV screen. There is SO much to it than that…if you bother to apply any pragmatism whatsoever.
—Ricko[/quote]
I can just picture the fun with Giants vs Bills both in blue
ugh
[quote comment=”366459″][quote comment=”366454″][quote comment=”366450″]The ESPN Madden simulation between the ‘Skins and Raiders has both teams wearing color….
link
I wish the NFL would actually allow this.[/quote]
Not gonna happen.
(see long discussion yesterday).
Please, everyone, stop equating what works in Madden with what works–and doesn’t work–in the real world. You can’t go only by how something looks on a computer or TV screen. There is SO much to it than that…if you bother to apply any pragmatism whatsoever.
—Ricko[/quote]
I can just picture the fun with Giants vs Bills both in blue
ugh[/quote]
That may have been more of a problem like 15 years ago…but no so much any more…they really aren’t that similar.
[quote comment=”366460″][quote comment=”366459″][quote comment=”366454″][quote comment=”366450″]The ESPN Madden simulation between the ‘Skins and Raiders has both teams wearing color….
link
I wish the NFL would actually allow this.[/quote]
Not gonna happen.
(see long discussion yesterday).
Please, everyone, stop equating what works in Madden with what works–and doesn’t work–in the real world. You can’t go only by how something looks on a computer or TV screen. There is SO much to it than that…if you bother to apply any pragmatism whatsoever.
—Ricko[/quote]
I can just picture the fun with Giants vs Bills both in blue
ugh[/quote]
That may have been more of a problem like 15 years ago…but no so much any more…they really aren’t that similar.[/quote]
Never played, did you.
It isn’t all about “everyone has color TV now”.
Please read yesterday’s discussion.
Way too many inch-deep opinions on this.
—Ricko
Uniwatch “Frozen non-Cooperalls Summit Series”
Navy comes out slowwwwwwww…
What, is “phalanx” every 20-year-old’s new favorite word or something?
–Ricko
[quote comment=”366453″]I’d love it if Vancouver used this a third/alt jersey: link
Or this one, minus the wordmark:
link
Hmmm, may have to try my hand at some of this DIY stuff…[/quote]
If the rumours are true, then one of those might appear next year as the alternate should the modified stick-in-rink be officially promoted to the home. The orca is under threat of extinction it seems.
I would hope that we’d see the Johnny V logo on a green jersey as the alternate with the whites featuring the stick-in-rink. Johhny in motion looks too cartoonish for my liking.
[quote comment=”366408″]I’m pretty sure if the Bengals put Michigan stripes on their helmets, the city of Cincinnati would revolt.
link
I thought the same thing, nearly choked on my lunch when I saw that. I also think that could be a shout to Leon Hall’s alma mater, he did go to that school up north
I am down for the Bowl Mania on ESPN.com…I’ve already got an entry (HowFirmThyFriendship) but I do it alone…so I’m down…also, what does the red trim on the Navy jerseys mean again? Does it have to do with their willing to shed their blood for freedom or something like that? If you celebrate the 4th of July, please tune in for at least a little bit of this game. I’m on twitter if anyone cares at JDUPES316. Keep it up uniwatch!
-Jamie
Oh my… that is an… interesting version of the Navy uniforms…
so…much…red…
[quote comment=”366466″]I am down for the Bowl Mania on ESPN.com…I’ve already got an entry (HowFirmThyFriendship) but I do it alone…so I’m down…also, what does the red trim on the Navy jerseys mean again? Does it have to do with their willing to shed their blood for freedom or something like that? If you celebrate the 4th of July, please tune in for at least a little bit of this game. I’m on twitter if anyone cares at JDUPES316. Keep it up uniwatch!
-Jamie[/quote]
Probably (and just my guess) for the Marines.
[quote comment=”366467″]Oh my… that is an… interesting version of the Navy uniforms…
so…much…red…[/quote]
Look like the Salvation Army, don’t they.
Yes, I understand the Marine Corps is part of Navy and that’s where the red comes from, but the school’s colors are navy and gold.
But, hey, RFUSMCS is the new BFBS, I guess.
—Ricko
Glad Army’s camo is gone, though.
Was childish.
Even soliders shouldn’t play solider.
Why?
Because they ARE soldiers and they ARE football players.
No need to play at being either.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”366465″][quote comment=”366408″]I’m pretty sure if the Bengals put Michigan stripes on their helmets, the city of Cincinnati would revolt.
link
I thought the same thing, nearly choked on my lunch when I saw that. I also think that could be a shout to Leon Hall’s alma mater, he did go to that school up north[/quote]
Maybe Princeton would sue.
[quote comment=”366463″]Navy comes out slowwwwwwww…
What, is “phalanx” every 20-year-old’s new favorite word or something?
–Ricko[/quote]
It would be interesting to chart the metric of that meme (to use two other buzz words of the past 18 months).
Uniwatch’s Holiday Happening.
I’m in for a pool.
Those Navy uniforms are basically the color reverse of the jerseys they wore last year as the “road” team.
The white versions of what Army wore last year would have been interesting to see.
Over on ESPN2..the Division II championship is going on. NW Missouri vs. Grand Valley. Grand Valley has a player on defense, #26 wearing low blues/high whites. It’s an interesting look.
Basically, the ’slogan’ we’re looking for must pass Paul’s Is It Good or Is It Stupid test. “Winter Classic” is a fail not because it’s inherently stupid – but because it’s completely unoriginal.
THE 2010 WANNABEE CLASSIC. It’s perfect!!!
So if I like the football look in hockey sweaters, am I going to skew the poll?
Speaking of football, I like Brad’s Bills and Seahawks ideas. The only thing I’d change (aside from adding a neon green alt) is making the bottom helmet stripe green, to match the sleeves.
I like Ryan’s Patriots idea, too. As someone else mentioned, though, red on a Patriots jersey seems a little odd. George Washington may not have approved.
My idea for the Bills and Pats:
Put this Bills helmet link on this Pats uni. link
Then, put this Pats helmet link on this Bills uni. link
The world would make a little more sense then, wouldn’t it?
Navy uni’s are a slight mod of the Marine Corps dress blues, but not really.
Any hockey sweater that don’t have stripes near the hem are lame, full stop.
Even with Navy’s less-than-stellar unis, I’m loving this game. Two teams running the option is a real treat for me.
[quote comment=”366479″]Even with Navy’s less-than-stellar unis, I’m loving this game. Two teams running the option is a real treat for me.[/quote]
Amen.
Looking forward to seeing Ellerson’s boys grow up with the triple-option. Good stuff.
I’d love to participate in a “mini contest”!
UNIverse I or UNIverse 2009
2009 Uniforum
[quote comment=\”366461\”][quote comment=\”366460\”][quote comment=\”366459\”][quote comment=\”366454\”][quote comment=\”366450\”]The ESPN Madden simulation between the \’Skins and Raiders has both teams wearing color….
link
I wish the NFL would actually allow this.[/quote]
Not gonna happen.
(see long discussion yesterday).
Please, everyone, stop equating what works in Madden with what works–and doesn\’t work–in the real world. You can\’t go only by how something looks on a computer or TV screen. There is SO much to it than that…if you bother to apply any pragmatism whatsoever.
—Ricko[/quote]
I can just picture the fun with Giants vs Bills both in blue
ugh[/quote]
That may have been more of a problem like 15 years ago…but no so much any more…they really aren\’t that similar.[/quote]
Never played, did you.
It isn\’t all about \”everyone has color TV now\”.
Please read yesterday\’s discussion.
Way too many inch-deep opinions on this.
—Ricko[/quote]
Ricko, are you the supreme tastemaker of uniform fashions or just PMSing?
[quote comment=”366478″]Any hockey sweater that don’t have stripes near the hem are lame, full stop.[/quote]
Atta boy, Alec. Tradition rules!
Off uni topic, but teams that have an away game at Hawaii like Navy did this year have the ability to schedule a 13th game. Do they always take up that offer or do some teams turn that down?
Looks as if Navy QB Ricky Dobbs borrowed a Notre Dame helmet. After running into three Army defenders, a bunch of paint chipped off his helmet.
One good thing about Navy’s unis: there’s no confusing these teams on the field. In the past when Army wore the road whites, it could look like an intrasquad game from a distance.
It’s at least nice to see that the Avalanche have brought back Nordiques’ blue on the alts.
[quote comment=”366450″]The ESPN Madden simulation between the ‘Skins and Raiders has both teams wearing color….
link
I wish the NFL would actually allow this.[/quote]
sometimes color versus color can be good
othertimes, not so much
i say ONLY for neutral site games, and one of the colors must be of the pastel variety while the other needs to be a solid dark
otherwise you get this…and while they’re distinctly different colors…that’s a mess
/all you white jersey haters need to calm down…color vs. color can work, but not EVERY color vs color
[quote comment=”366471″][quote comment=”366465″][quote comment=”366408″]I’m pretty sure if the Bengals put Michigan stripes on their helmets, the city of Cincinnati would revolt.
link
I thought the same thing, nearly choked on my lunch when I saw that. I also think that could be a shout to Leon Hall’s alma mater, he did go to that school up north[/quote]
Maybe Princeton would sue.[/quote]
link
In the pic of the 49ers QB, why on Earth is the referee facing the opposite direction?
The gold side panel on the jersey is very Billsian.
[quote comment=”366489″][quote comment=”366471″][quote comment=”366465″][quote comment=”366408″]http://www.flickr.com/photos/23481859@N03/4153921007/in/set-72157622923721176/
In the pic of the 49ers QB, why on Earth is the referee facing the opposite direction?[/quote]
He couldn’t bear to look at those unis.
[quote comment=”366489″]
link
In the pic of the 49ers QB, why on Earth is the referee facing the opposite direction?
The gold side panel on the jersey is very Billsian.[/quote]
better yet, why the hell is alex smith still at qb?
and why are they wearing white at home?
and why are they wearing black socks?
/because they can…it’s MADden
[quote comment=”366489″][quote comment=”366471″][quote comment=”366465″][quote comment=”366408″]I’m pretty sure if the Bengals put Michigan stripes on their helmets, the city of Cincinnati would revolt.
link
I thought the same thing, nearly choked on my lunch when I saw that. I also think that could be a shout to Leon Hall’s alma mater, he did go to that school up north[/quote]
Maybe Princeton would sue.[/quote]
link
In the pic of the 49ers QB, why on Earth is the referee facing the opposite direction?
The gold side panel on the jersey is very Billsian.[/quote]
There are ALOT of good ideas within this set.
Browns two tone must go though.
[quote comment=”366491″][quote comment=”366489″]
link
In the pic of the 49ers QB, why on Earth is the referee facing the opposite direction?
The gold side panel on the jersey is very Billsian.[/quote]
better yet, why the hell is alex smith still at qb?
and why are they wearing white at home?
and why are they wearing black socks?
/because they can…it’s MADden[/quote]
I have NEVER played Madden, so I wouldn’t know.
[quote comment=”366486″]Looks as if Navy QB Ricky Dobbs borrowed a Notre Dame helmet. After running into three Army defenders, a bunch of paint chipped off his helmet.
One good thing about Navy’s unis: there’s no confusing these teams on the field. In the past when Army wore the road whites, it could look like an intrasquad game from a distance.[/quote]
Someone painted Dobbs’ helmet while Army was on offense. In a close-up, you can see the paint job.
I’m taping the game, so I can get a screen shot later, but if someone has a DVR and a better camera, it’s around the 5-minute mark of the 3rd quarter.
[quote comment=”366483″][quote comment=\”366461\”][quote comment=\”366460\”][quote comment=\”366459\”][quote comment=\”366454\”][quote comment=\”366450\”]The ESPN Madden simulation between the \’Skins and Raiders has both teams wearing color….
link
I wish the NFL would actually allow this.[/quote]
Not gonna happen.
(see long discussion yesterday).
Please, everyone, stop equating what works in Madden with what works–and doesn\’t work–in the real world. You can\’t go only by how something looks on a computer or TV screen. There is SO much to it than that…if you bother to apply any pragmatism whatsoever.
—Ricko[/quote]
I can just picture the fun with Giants vs Bills both in blue
ugh[/quote]
That may have been more of a problem like 15 years ago…but no so much any more…they really aren\’t that similar.[/quote]
Never played, did you.
It isn\’t all about \”everyone has color TV now\”.
Please read yesterday\’s discussion.
Way too many inch-deep opinions on this.
—Ricko[/quote]
Ricko, are you the supreme tastemaker of uniform fashions or just PMSing?[/quote]
Not PMS’ing. Just had it with people who think it’s about what looks cool. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH FASHION…or anyone’s TASTE…or what would look “different for a change”.
I have nothing against color-on-color in terms of aesthetics, etc. But there are logistics, playing the game, making it as easy as possible for viewers, fans…
Even straight-up science.
How many of you have ever been on the sidelines of an NFL game? You cannot BELIEVE how fast things happen (a Big Ten game, for example, isn’t even CLOSE to as fast). You can barely follow what’s going on just standing there. I can’t imagine being out in that melee without the ability to know in a nano-second whether that wildly distorted blur in the corner of my eye is one my guys or someone on the other team looking to drill me.
Much easier, and quicker, to tell white from everything else in that situation that decode whether the blur is red or blue. That’s why I always ask how much someone has actually played the game. Because if you have know that’s true.
PLEASE read yesterday’s discussion and you’ll get it.
—Ricko
You forgot the Calgary Flames third! Arguably the best third in the league at the moment. It better not have been kept off the list because of some technicality seeing as it is an anniversary jersey. It’s still a third jersey they are wear a few times throughout the season. Save the orange and red! Also, no Canadiens third? They had 6 to choose from. Couldn’t have even picked one? I know they are only here for the season but they are still awfully beautiful.
Brad Keppler,
Those are three awesome NFL uniform concepts. I love each one and think each would be a huge upgrade over what those teams currently wear. Nothing revolutionary, just got rid of the terrible parts of the Bills and Seahawks looks and switched up color emphasis for the Panthers. All of it works. Nicely done.
Just added: link
[quote comment=”366498″]Just added: link[/quote]
awesome!
i love that…especially that little section in the lower left hand corner
so awful i could cry
nice work mike!
Not trying to cause any trouble here, but I was just wondering how much of a problem it was in the 1920 to 1956 period when there were color-on-color NFL games every week, not to mention a lot of the pants were in the khaki-tan-gold range. Did it not matter so much because the game was slower? Still I imagine by the 1950s with all the new high-flying offenses it was a pretty fast game. Did no one in charge have the idea to mandate one team in white before 1957 when, as we know, it was done for TV purposes?
[quote comment=”366500″]Not trying to cause any trouble here, but I was just wondering how much of a problem it was in the 1920 to 1956 period when there were color-on-color NFL games every week, not to mention a lot of the pants were in the khaki-tan-gold range. Did it not matter so much because the game was slower? Still I imagine by the 1950s with all the new high-flying offenses it was a pretty fast game. Did no one in charge have the idea to mandate one team in white before 1957 when, as we know, it was done for TV purposes?[/quote]
Said this yesterday. TV didn’t stop football from doing something that worked. It led them to something that worked even BETTER. If it didn’t, they’d have gone back to color-on-color maybe five years ago (or more)…the proliferation of color TV was pretty much accomplished by then.
And truth be told, the ball is in the air far more than even a decade ago. Much easier to know what’s going on around you on a running play. You’re not looking up, for one thing. Back then not as many plays “in space” (the hot new phase). Everything close to line of scrimmage, most of the time, when ball being run, and as a player you have a better sense of where people are.
—Ricko
[quote comment=”366497″]Brad Keppler,
Those are three awesome NFL uniform concepts. I love each one and think each would be a huge upgrade over what those teams currently wear. Nothing revolutionary, just got rid of the terrible parts of the Bills and Seahawks looks and switched up color emphasis for the Panthers. All of it works. Nicely done.[/quote]
Amen brother….I couldn’t more agree with your statement. Some of the best NFL tweaks I’ve seen yet!
i was just an onanamanis reader until one year ago today when i made my first comment, and may i say on my anniversary…great post today gents!
winter classic suggestions…
ricko and the amazing uniwatcher pond goat
brrrr…whose idea was this?!
p-p-p-pass the w-w-w-whiskey t-t-t-t-t-teebz
the pond bond
Northwest Missouri State wins the Div. II football championship.
link
Grand Valley State eschewed its usual black on black uni for a nice blue on black look. Does that mean they’ll never wear it again, since they lost?
[quote comment=”366487″]It’s at least nice to see that the Avalanche have brought back Nordiques’ blue on the alts.[/quote]
Maybe they’ll start recognizing the Nordiques’ achievements then?
link. Sorry ’bout that. How dumb of me.
[quote comment=”366496″]You forgot the Calgary Flames third! Arguably the best third in the league at the moment. It better not have been kept off the list because of some technicality seeing as it is an anniversary jersey. It’s still a third jersey they are wear a few times throughout the season. Save the orange and red! Also, no Canadiens third? They had 6 to choose from. Couldn’t have even picked one? I know they are only here for the season but they are still awfully beautiful.[/quote]
As stated above…
It’s not an alternate jersey. Until the team wears it 15 times per season, it’s not an alternate. If we play by those rules, the Winter Classic jerseys and the one-time throwback jerseys for the Devils are also “alternates”.
But they’re not.
I’d be interested in the bowl do-hickey.
I love the NHL sweater poll.
but attempting to avoid some sampling error. For Edmonton and Philadelphia, I took the term “alternate uniform” literally. So I judged the midnightblue/copper oilers uniform and the black flyers uniform. I hate both of those. I love the classic look that were previously alts, but since they are no longer considered alternates in the leagues eyes, i didn’t judge them.
Teebz,
Thanks for the good looking out on Brodeur’s #29. I would’ve been hard-pressed to find an image.
On another note…
QUICK: someone get a screen shot of the Montana RB, Thomas Brooks-Fletcher. His NOB is “B-FLETCHER.” Never seen an AHNOB (“Abbreviated, Hyphenated Name on Back.” Paul would love it.
App St and Montana in a blizzard in Mizzoula. Grizzlies’ all burgundy and the Mountaineers’ black helmets and black pants are contrasting very well with the snowy field.
Montana’s school colors, plus the white socks and silver helmets make the monochrome palatable for me.
The crowd, the snow, the game action, the close score and what’s at stake makes this FCS semi-final game incredibly watchable. Montana just went ahead with a beautiful pass play with skidding and snow flying…
[quote comment=”366510″]App St and Montana in a blizzard in Mizzoula. Grizzlies’ all burgundy and the Mountaineers’ black helmets and black pants are contrasting very well with the snowy field.
Montana’s school colors, plus the white socks and silver helmets make the monochrome palatable for me.[/quote]
That’s definitely how I view monochrome looks too. Montana looks a lot better than if their helmet and/or socks were also maroon.
App St’s Nike template jersey is also one of the better looks I’ve seen in a template. The stripes are non-traditional, but it works in this case. I think the entire head to toe look for App St is tight.
if app state does score…do they dare try for 2?
how’s OT work in a playoff game anyway?
Suggestion for winter classic:
“A gathering on a frozen pond to talk about sports uniforms… Verdict: Not Stupid”
[quote comment=”366515″]Suggestion for winter classic:
“A gathering on a frozen pond to talk about sports uniforms… Verdict: Not Stupid”[/quote]
Also important: something catchy. That’s what a slogan is.
[quote comment=”366513″]App St’s Nike template jersey is also one of the better looks I’ve seen in a template. The stripes are non-traditional, but it works in this case. I think the entire head to toe look for App St is tight.[/quote]
You mean the Miami template?
Its funny… Montana actually used that template for years, then ditched it a few years ago when Appy St took it over.
heard the heisman voting this year was the closest ever…
not so sure that bodes well for my preseason (and still current) pick, colt
interestingly, at dinner this evening, there was a bad sign (maybe) for toby gerhart — couple guys at another table were watching the television, and the 5 candidates were shown…and both of them, i shit you not, said “holy shit, he’s white?”
now, i thought that was just stupidity talking, so when i got home, i decided to do a little googling…apparently they’re not alone
if colt doesn’t win it, i hope suh does…that game against texas was amazing
How about Uni Watch PONDemonium?
I mean how about anyone who seriously suggests that gets banned?
Ummm…
Uni Watch Frozen Foolishness
roll tide
[quote comment=”366518″]interestingly, at dinner this evening, there was a bad sign (maybe) for toby gerhart — couple guys at another table were watching the television, and the 5 candidates were shown…and both of them, i shit you not, said “holy shit, he’s white?”
now, i thought that was just stupidity talking, so when i got home, i decided to do a little googling…link[/quote]
That was stupidity talking. And why isn’t there a link to this on espn.com? You’d think a story like that would get more coverage.
[quote comment=”366520″]roll tide[/quote]
is that who took home the hardware?
[quote comment=”366521″][quote comment=”366518″]interestingly, at dinner this evening, there was a bad sign (maybe) for toby gerhart — couple guys at another table were watching the television, and the 5 candidates were shown…and both of them, i shit you not, said “holy shit, he’s white?”
now, i thought that was just stupidity talking, so when i got home, i decided to do a little googling…link[/quote]
That was stupidity talking. And why isn’t there a link to this on espn.com? You’d think a story like that would get more coverage.[/quote]
I only read the beginning of that article. Made no sense – just trying to be provacative?
A bit of a reach.
[quote comment=”366520″]roll tide[/quote]
Good for Mark. And he had more yards than Toby, which is what really matters, after all.
Is Sam Bradford able to play in the Sun Bowl? If so, wouldn’t that be the first time that three Heisman winners would be playing in bowls in the same season?
[quote comment=”366522″][quote comment=”366520″]roll tide[/quote]
is that who took home the hardware?[/quote]
yes roberto
[quote comment=”366523″][quote comment=”366521″][quote comment=”366518″]interestingly, at dinner this evening, there was a bad sign (maybe) for toby gerhart — couple guys at another table were watching the television, and the 5 candidates were shown…and both of them, i shit you not, said “holy shit, he’s white?”
now, i thought that was just stupidity talking, so when i got home, i decided to do a little googling…link[/quote]
That was stupidity talking. And why isn’t there a link to this on espn.com? You’d think a story like that would get more coverage.[/quote]
I only read the beginning of that article. Made no sense – just trying to be provacative?
A bit of a reach.[/quote]
It would have helped if the writer had some quotes or stats to back up his statements. Sounded a bit presumptuous of what other people are thinking.
But if that mentality is true, it’s just as stupid as someone saying a black kicker will never win the Lou Groza award. We’re supposed to be past this stuff by now, aren’t we?
Maybe you’re right and the article’s just there to be provocative. If so, it was better off not being written.
[quote comment=”366461″][quote comment=”366460″][quote comment=”366459″][quote comment=”366454″][quote comment=”366450″]The ESPN Madden simulation between the ‘Skins and Raiders has both teams wearing color….
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I wish the NFL would actually allow this.[/quote]
Not gonna happen.
(see long discussion yesterday).
Please, everyone, stop equating what works in Madden with what works–and doesn’t work–in the real world. You can’t go only by how something looks on a computer or TV screen. There is SO much to it than that…if you bother to apply any pragmatism whatsoever.
—Ricko[/quote]
I can just picture the fun with Giants vs Bills both in blue
ugh[/quote]
That may have been more of a problem like 15 years ago…but no so much any more…they really aren’t that similar.[/quote]
Never played, did you.
It isn’t all about “everyone has color TV now”.
Please read yesterday’s discussion.
Way too many inch-deep opinions on this.
—Ricko[/quote]
Color vs color has worked on multiple occasions in both the modern era and the past. It may not be AS EASY to tell the teams apart if they’re both in colors, but it can and has been done. We get it, it’s not going to happen, that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t work.
Hell, the Bears and Packers, you know, the longest running, most storied rivalry in the NFL, have played games where both teams wore blue. Yes, the same damn color against each other. You may not like it, fine. It may not be the “best” option in some people’s opinion, but it has been, and always will be, playable.
[quote comment=”366524″][quote comment=”366520″]roll tide[/quote]
Good for Mark. And he had more yards than Toby, which is what really matters, after all.
Is Sam Bradford able to play in the Sun Bowl? If so, wouldn’t that be the first time that three Heisman winners would be playing in bowls in the same season?[/quote]
I take that back – Toby led the nation in rushing. I was going from that story about him, not realizing it was a few weeks old. And if they count the SEC championship, that means Mark had an extra game but still had 194 less yards than Toby.
Demand a recount.
[quote comment=”366525″][quote comment=”366522″][quote comment=”366520″]roll tide[/quote]
is that who took home the hardware?[/quote]
yes roberto[/quote]
it’s a wonderful life on the tv, and painting. what was the final order?
by the way, i like the uniwatch pond bond, it’s short and is alliteratified. and i can have toques like this made by tck.
The Jeff,
Agree to disagree with Ricko and let’s move on before Phil posts the beating-the-dead-horse site.
Color vs. color is indeed playable. No one’s arguing that. But do you seriously think the ultra-conservative NFL will revert to a system that was “playable” as opposed to “much improved for players, fans and viewers”?
Heck, even with color vs. white, I throw my fair share of picks on Madden (yes, I dabble in it). It’s hard enough for me to follow the speed of the game without the added confusion. In fact, I played the college game once and somehow ended up with a navy blue vs. navy blue game. I was completely screwed up.
You’ve even said it’s not going to happen in the NFL. So let it go.
[quote comment=”366509″]Teebz,
Thanks for the good looking out on Brodeur’s #29. I would’ve been hard-pressed to find an image.
On another note…
QUICK: someone get a screen shot of the Montana RB, Thomas Brooks-Fletcher. His NOB is “B-FLETCHER.” Never seen an AHNOB (“Abbreviated, Hyphenated Name on Back.” Paul would love it.[/quote]
Now it’s him and link.
mothervilker…
YOU play madden and powers DOESN’T?
/it’s all becoming clear now
“It may not be the “best” option in some people’s opinion, but it has been, and always will be, playable.”
Cleary, in the opinion of people whose job it is to determine such things (meaning coaches, AD’s, team owners, game officials, players, rules commmittees, et al), the “best option” is one team in white.
“Playable”. That’s like “acceptable but not really the best”, right?
—Ricko
[quote comment=”366532″]mothervilker…
YOU play madden and powers DOESN’T?
/it’s all becoming clear now[/quote]
I don’t play well. The only reason I still have Madden is because 1)My friend gave me his PS2 when he got a Wii. 2)I created the USFL on there. 3)Said friend beats me so badly that I’ve made it my personal goal to get good enough to beat him.
I like the college game better because I can run Pat White’s WVU spread option.
[quote comment=”366534″][quote comment=”366532″]mothervilker…
YOU play madden and powers DOESN’T?
/it’s all becoming clear now[/quote]
I don’t play well. The only reason I still have Madden is because 1)My friend gave me his PS2 when he got a Wii. 2)I created the USFL on there. 3)Said friend beats me so badly that I’ve made it my personal goal to get good enough to beat him.
I like the college game better because I can run Pat White’s WVU spread option.[/quote]
Both pale in comparison to my 1998 winter olympics game. I can curl and ski jump to my heart’s delight with that one.
[quote comment=”366530″]The Jeff,
Agree to disagree with Ricko and let’s move on before Phil posts the beating-the-dead-horse site.
Color vs. color is indeed playable. No one’s arguing that. But do you seriously think the ultra-conservative NFL will revert to a system that was “playable” as opposed to “much improved for players, fans and viewers”?
Heck, even with color vs. white, I throw my fair share of picks on Madden (yes, I dabble in it). It’s hard enough for me to follow the speed of the game without the added confusion. In fact, I played the college game once and somehow ended up with a navy blue vs. navy blue game. I was completely screwed up.
You’ve even said it’s not going to happen in the NFL. So let it go.[/quote]
how so is it only playable? and is it really better for players, and viewers? i grant you there needs to be contrast, but uniforms like ucla’s blues, tennessee’s orange, and georgia tech’s gold for example could easily pass as light’s. i know, that’s college, but still, there is no reason why some matchups couldn’t be colour on colour as long as the colours work. so why don’t we stop thinking about this as white on colour and colour on colour, and start thinking about it in terms of light on dark, problem solved.
[quote comment=”366536″][quote comment=”366530″]The Jeff,
Agree to disagree with Ricko and let’s move on before Phil posts the beating-the-dead-horse site.
Color vs. color is indeed playable. No one’s arguing that. But do you seriously think the ultra-conservative NFL will revert to a system that was “playable” as opposed to “much improved for players, fans and viewers”?
Heck, even with color vs. white, I throw my fair share of picks on Madden (yes, I dabble in it). It’s hard enough for me to follow the speed of the game without the added confusion. In fact, I played the college game once and somehow ended up with a navy blue vs. navy blue game. I was completely screwed up.
You’ve even said it’s not going to happen in the NFL. So let it go.[/quote]
how so is it only playable? and is it really better for players, and viewers? i grant you there needs to be contrast, but uniforms like ucla’s blues, tennessee’s orange, and georgia tech’s gold for example could easily pass as light’s. i know, that’s college, but still, there is no reason why some matchups couldn’t be colour on colour as long as the colours work. so why don’t we stop thinking about this as white on colour and colour on colour, and start thinking about it in terms of light on dark, problem solved.[/quote]
Great minds, and ours, think alike.
Yesterday I proposed such a proposal. I love a good color vs. color (as you’ll see tomorrow), as long as it’s light vs. dark (or neon vs. dark). The Jeff, on the other hand, thinks any color vs. color is playable. If I recall, he would rather just eliminate the white unis altogether. Ain’t gonna happen, and that’s the part of the argument I’d rather not continue to debate.
[quote comment=”366523″][quote comment=”366521″][quote comment=”366518″]interestingly, at dinner this evening, there was a bad sign (maybe) for toby gerhart — couple guys at another table were watching the television, and the 5 candidates were shown…and both of them, i shit you not, said “holy shit, he’s white?”
now, i thought that was just stupidity talking, so when i got home, i decided to do a little googling…link[/quote]
That was stupidity talking. And why isn’t there a link to this on espn.com? You’d think a story like that would get more coverage.[/quote]
I only read the beginning of that article. Made no sense – just trying to be provacative?
A bit of a reach.[/quote]
Don’t tell that to Rush Limbaugh!
[quote comment=”366537″]
Great minds, and ours, think alike.
Yesterday I proposed such a proposal. I love a good color vs. color (as you’ll see tomorrow), as long as it’s light vs. dark (or neon vs. dark). The Jeff, on the other hand, thinks any color vs. color is playable. If I recall, he would rather just eliminate the white unis altogether. Ain’t gonna happen, and that’s the part of the argument I’d rather not continue to debate.[/quote]
um jim?
roberto likes a uniform with no white in it at all
so im pretty sure he’d prefer colour on colour
[quote comment=”366504″]Northwest Missouri State wins the Div. II football championship.
link
Grand Valley State eschewed its usual black on black uni for a nice blue on black look. Does that mean they’ll never wear it again, since they lost?[/quote]
Interesting bit of athletics aesthetics in this game: The game was played in Florence, Alabama, the home of North Alabama Lions. link
They painted the nicknames of the finalists in the endzones (Bearcats and Lakers), but instead of using the colors of the teams, they used a shade of purple similar to the hometown Lions.
Brandon, I love your concepts! I like how you didn’t try to reinvent the wheel, how you dug back a little and you still presented it so that it looked new and fresh! I am usually against most of the alterations that are submitted, but I would be GLAD to see those teams accept your ideas.
[quote comment=”366539″][quote comment=”366537″]
Great minds, and ours, think alike.
Yesterday I proposed such a proposal. I love a good color vs. color (as you’ll see tomorrow), as long as it’s light vs. dark (or neon vs. dark). The Jeff, on the other hand, thinks any color vs. color is playable. If I recall, he would rather just eliminate the white unis altogether. Ain’t gonna happen, and that’s the part of the argument I’d rather not continue to debate.[/quote]
um jim?
roberto likes a uniform with no white in it at all
so im pretty sure he’d prefer colour on colour[/quote]
that is only for football, and only when it is possible. michigan is a perfect example, Tosu does not need it either, quite frankly i don’t care if you can’t read the numbers perfectly, i only care about the names on the front anyway. in some cases you need white, like when white is a team colour, msu and northwestern come to mind.i think some colour on colour even if they are both “dark” is fine too Tosu-scUM for example, they contrast. but tennessee-nebraska wouldn’t work, or remember that indiana-illinois basketball game a few years ago? brutal. practically though, i don’t see why you couldn’t play tennessee/ucla, or any of those bright teams against a dark team like say usc/ole miss whatever anytime, what’s the problem? i think mothervilker was feelin’ me on that one(if you know what i mean). but you are right phil, no superfluous white is a general rule of mine with football. why the fuck do the drunken brawling irishmen have white numbers? make ’em gold.
Uni Watch NNOB-Sledding
[quote comment=”366411″]Phil and Paul’s Pond Party, Packed with Peripatetic Participants, with Possible Partaking of Potent Potations. PPPPPPPPPPP for short.[/quote]
Watch me perplex this pathetic palooka with my perfect, packidermic, percussion pitch’
bugs bunny.
In the post by Joshua i personally like the Bears and Bucs jerseys the most and it would be awesome if they really looked like that. Oh, and the Fins jerseys are horrendous
[quote comment=”366533″]”It may not be the “best” option in some people’s opinion, but it has been, and always will be, playable.”
Cleary, in the opinion of people whose job it is to determine such things (meaning coaches, AD’s, team owners, game officials, players, rules commmittees, et al), the “best option” is one team in white.
“Playable”. That’s like “acceptable but not really the best”, right?
—Ricko[/quote]
If white unis were that much easier to pick out then the best option would surely be to introduce white and colour helmets for every team. With everything running at such a pace, a red shirt and white helmet could easily be mistaken in the “blur” for a red helmet and white shirt.
No, I have not played the game at a professional level but seeing as I have seen things moving fast in other facets of life, I don’t think it’s an inch deep opinion to state that the Chiefs at the Cardinals must be a nightmare. Playable but not really the best, right?
This is what happens when the colour recognition theory gets out of hand. Romania in the 1998 World Cup finals.
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Nice to see a reference to Football-Freaks. I’m still working on my own Madden uniform mods due to Windows 7’s crappy User Account Control screwing me up.