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Always Gets a Replay, Never Tilts At All

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I love pinball. Started playing when I was about seven and have never stopped. Hit major paydirt in fifth grade when I became friends with a kid named Tommy Scalici, whose mobbed-up father owned a few local supper clubs. Each of these clubs featured a few pinball machines, and Mr. Scalici would rotate them from club to club, with most of them making pit stops in the Scalici basement. So at any given moment, that basement usually featured three or four machines, which we were allowed to play for free.

Never really thought much about pinball in terms of Uni Watch, however (except maybe for Elton John’s Pinball Wizard outfit in Tommy). But the other day I got a note from reader David Berger that connected the dots between pinball and athletics aesthetics. Dig:

My 11-year-old son and I recently visited the Silverball Museum, which is located in part of the recently renovated downtown district of Asbury Park, underneath a clothing store. There are over 100 pinball machines from the ’50s through the ’70s on display, and you can play any of the ones that work for $10 an hour. All the machines are set on Free Play, so you can wander aimlessly from game to game trying them out. There were a fair number that were inoperable, and more with the dreaded “weak flipper,” but for $10 it would be worth it just to walk around, even if you couldn’t play.

As a longtime Uni Watch reader, I gravitated to some of the great sports-themed machines. The most interesting one was the 1969 Gridiron game. According to the placard, in an attempt to capitalize on the booming popularity of football at the time, they attempted to transform a standard hitting/pitching baseball machine with football graphics. There was also another Gridiron game, which appeared to be intended as a football game from the start.

The oldest game in the museum was this 1930s baseball game, but it was being renovated, so I couldn’t get a handle on how it actually played. There was also a miniature golf pinball game — something I’d never seen before. You attempt to steer the golfer toward the hole and do either a light or hard putt to shoot for the hole. Since the field was slanted downwards, I don’t think that really made a difference. Unfortunately, I didn’t get a good photo of that one.

I remember various baseball-themed games from my childhood [additional examples here and here], but I don’t think I ever saw one for the Olympics before. The backglass on that one was just gorgeous. There was also a matching pair of boxing machines.

Here’s my son, setting the 13-and-under record for Gorgon, one of the few games in the museum with digital scoring.

Awesome stuff. Stupid of my not to have made the pinball/Uni Watch connection before now. Thanks, David.

As an aside, have you ever noticed that the best, longest pinball games always seem to happen when you can least afford to spend the time? One time when I was a kid, my family was supposed to go off on some sort of Sunday-afternoon excursion, and I ended up playing the best pinball game of my life down at the local candy store. What should’ve been a “three minutes and get out of there” game turned into an epic 25-minute odyssey that ended up getting me in trouble with the old man. Another time, right before one of my favorite bands was about to hit the stage at CBGB, I thought to myself, “Ah, just one more game.” Twenty minutes of god-like pinball action later, I’d missed the first two songs of the set. And don’t even get me started on all the times I figured I’d play just one more quick game before hitting the men’s room.

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Culinary Corner: ’Tis the season when you’re gonna be attending and/or hosting lots of holiday parties, and I have just the thing to make you the hero of any holiday shindig, dig? So listen up.

Everyone loves Bailey’s Irish Cream. And why not? It’s basically melted ice cream that gets you drunk, which is pretty much the definition of a win-win. I know some guys see it as a girly drink, but that goes out the window in December — everyone’s allowed to drink Irish cream around the holidays, am I right? Yes, I am.

So what’s better than Irish cream? Homemade Irish cream. It’s easy to make, tastes even better than the store-bought stuff, and impresses the shit out of people. Here’s how to make it.

Start with some decent Irish whisky — Bushmills, Jameson, Tullamore Dew, something like that (but not super-high-end stuff, cuz the nuances will be lost in this preparation). Take a pint of the whisky and mix it with a can of sweetened condensed milk; a pint of heavy whipping cream; a tablespoon of chocolate syrup; a teaspoon of vanilla extract; a teaspoon of instant espresso dissolved in two tablespoons of hot water; and a quarter-teaspoon of almond extract.

Mix it all together (or just put it in a big container with a tight lid and shake), refrigerate it, serve over ice, and prepare to be hailed as a genius. You can thank me later.

Also: Save a little bit of the Irish cream and treat yourself one weekend morning by pouring it over your favorite cereal, a little maneuver I call “Top o’ the mornin’.” Indulgent, yes, but hey, it’s the holidays.

Research Question: Got an interesting note yesterday afternoon from Ric Jensen, as follows: “Who wasthe first NCAA football team to wear the Nike swoosh on its uniform, and when? Also, were there other logos that NCAA football teams wore prior to the Nike swoosh? If so, what were they?”

Those are excellent questions, and I’m embarrassed to say I have absolutely no idea of the answers. Jensen later followed up with this link, which includes a timeline suggesting that the swoosh started appearing on uniforms in 1995. Anyone who can add more info to this discussion, please do.

Raffle Reminder: Remember, I’m currently raffling off a $100 gift certificate from SoccerPro.com. Details here.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Awesome visual timeline of Civil War uniforms (the one fought in Oregon) here (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). … Here’s a better look at those Reds-themed Cincy Cyclones jerseys (with thanks to Jim Ransdell). … Alan Kreit took his son Ethan to the New York Rangers’ practice center for a hockey clinic and took some photos. … What do you get if you cross the Patriots with MLB’s futuristic uni promotion? This (with thanks to James Valente). … If you’ve been wondering what to get me for Xmas, please track me down a copy of this LP (with thanks to my buddy Shane Arbogast). … The San Francisco Giants jerseys worn by the Presidents Cup caddies a few months back are up for auction (with thanks to Mike McAllister). … In further golf news, Harry Halloran will be volunteering at next summer’s PGA Championship tourney in Milwaukee and reports that the volunteers’ attire will look like this. “A bit generic but it could certainly be worse,” he says. “I’m a bit miffed that the sweater vest ($40) and windbreaker ($45) need to be purchased separately, but I’ll probably break down and buy the jacket because, as you probably know, even at the height of summer it can get chilly by Lake Michigan.” So exactly what will he be doing at the tournament? “I’ve been assigned to the Transportation committee, which means I get to drive around players and VIPs,” says Harry. “I really hope I don’t draw Tiger or his entourage. That’s a circus I can do without.” … A very old surfboard design is making a comeback. … “I found this image from the U of Hawaii yearbook, 1948, during my research of the Pineapple Bowl,” writes football historian Mark Bolding. “That’s Hawaii’s Bob Shibuya (44) closing in on Michigan State’s William Spiegel in a 1947 game, with Hawaii’s Rocky Sugino making the shoestring tackle. Multiple photos in the yearbook show that this was the standard helmet for the Rainbows that season, not just a sticker placed on this one helmet.” Incidentally, if you’re not familiar with Bolding’s site, poke around — it’s one of the best football references on the web. … Miami (Ohio)’s hockey team will be wearing some sort of special uni this weekend (with thanks to Adam Hainsfurther). … Terence Kearns notes that Wally Backman’s press conference Cyclones jersey included NOB and a drop shadow, both of which are different from the team’s usual jersey style. Not sure if this signals a uni change or if they just threw something together for the presser. … Awesome slide show of the old Maple Leaf Gardens, which is being turned into a supermarket, here (with thanks to Morris Levin). … The Bills wore that ridiculous “Hey, we’re playing in Toronto!” patch last night. Meanwhile, the Jets wore the wrong socks again. … Here’s how Oregon looked last night with their throwback-ish uni and military tribute helmet decal. … And speaking of Oregon: RNOB! (Thanks, Kek.)

 

215 comments to Always Gets a Replay, Never Tilts At All

  • Mark in Shiga | December 4, 2009 at 7:47 am |

    Paul, awesome column!

    I’m from Asbury Park myself and remember going to the arcades around Convention Hall as a kid — they were already in decline in the ’80s and ’90s, but you could still play games there. Fun times.

    Had no idea the Silverblal Museu existed — gotta visit some time!

  • David | December 4, 2009 at 7:56 am |

    Re logos on football unis, Russell Athletic logos almost certainly pre-date the swoosh. They were more subtle though. I’ll look for some pics….

  • DJ | December 4, 2009 at 8:02 am |

    Re logos on football unis, Russell Athletic logos almost certainly pre-date the swoosh. They were more subtle though. I’ll look for some pics….

    As did Champion. I think you’ll find their logos on the sleeve for quite a while. An interesting question might also be when the various companies moved their logo from the sleeve to the front.

  • Jacob | December 4, 2009 at 8:11 am |

    I remember the entire Nike logo showing up on Florida State’s football jerseys in 1993 (Charlie Ward) and Penn State’s unis in 1994. The swoosh didn’t appear by itself until 1995 IIRC.

  • Ben | December 4, 2009 at 8:24 am |

    The only thing that marred last night’s Civil War game for me was the fact the Ducks wore white pants – should have been gold, should have been gold.

  • Ben | December 4, 2009 at 8:26 am |

    My bad – meant “yellow.”

  • dom | December 4, 2009 at 8:27 am |

    there were a lot of uni issues for the Ducks last night. The “O” on Blount’s helmet was chipped away and there was a piece where the sideline reporter showed helmets that were cracking

  • ScottyM | December 4, 2009 at 8:31 am |

    LOVE that Hawai’i photo.

    That’s just awesome, and finds like that are truly what makes this site ultra-special.

  • Patrick Campbell | December 4, 2009 at 8:36 am |

    Here’s a pic of former Florida QB Danny Wuerffel and you can clearly see the Starter Athletic logo on the sleeve. This MIGHT be post 1995 but I distinctly recall that Starter logo on the sleeves. I also seem to recall the Champion logo on the Gators’ sleeves prior to their affiliation with Starter.

    I also remember the Russell logo on the sleeves at Auburn. I seem to remember Nike being the first to move the logo to the front. All the other companies followed suit.

  • Patrick Campbell | December 4, 2009 at 8:37 am |

    Duh! Forgot the link. Again, it’s former Florida QB Danny Wuerffel – on the sleeve is the Starter logo.

    http://a.espncdn.com...

  • Joseph Skiba | December 4, 2009 at 8:39 am |

    FYI: I’m telling you right now to save you all some posts on Sunday afternoon. I’m throwing the jerseys on the pads and the vectors are peeling off.

  • Geeman | December 4, 2009 at 8:41 am |

    [quote comment=”364881″]The only thing that marred last night’s Civil War game for me was the fact the Ducks wore white pants – should have been gold, should have been gold.[/quote]

  • Geeman | December 4, 2009 at 8:42 am |

    [quote comment=”364881″]The only thing that marred last night’s Civil War game for me was the fact the Ducks wore white pants – should have been gold, should have been gold.[/quote]

    You are correct, sir. Otherwise, though, those uniforms should be the standard. A marvelous combination of old and new.

    Oregon’s official school colors are green and yellow (though last night’s were more of a gold), so black and pewter have no business in that ensemble. Good work last night, O.

  • LI Phil | December 4, 2009 at 8:43 am |

    shel talmy approves of the title of this post

  • Geeman | December 4, 2009 at 8:44 am |

    Logos on uniforms: I think the ocmments above are correct and 1995 was the first time I saw logos on the front, though Champion, Russell, and Starter put them on the side for a few years before that. No visuals, though.

    I know the rule in the NCAA is that football can have two logos and basketball only one, but no one has ever told me the justification for this rule. It seems especially silly since basketball pants are now longer than football pants!

  • bigo | December 4, 2009 at 8:46 am |

    [quote comment=”364887″]FYI: I’m telling you right now to save you all some posts on Sunday afternoon. I’m throwing the jerseys on the pads and the vectors are peeling off.[/quote]

    Why is it that the numbers and names do not peal off like the vectors?

  • LI Phil | December 4, 2009 at 8:50 am |

    [quote comment=”364887″]FYI: I’m telling you right now to save you all some posts on Sunday afternoon. I’m throwing the jerseys on the pads and the vectors are peeling off.[/quote]

    you say that as though it’s a bad thing ;)

  • War Damn Eagle | December 4, 2009 at 8:52 am |

    I thought Oregon’s look, except for the white pants, was spot on. That’s what they should wear every game. Just add some gold pants for the home look.

    Classic color scheme, but with the modern “O.” Less is more, Nike.

  • dwight | December 4, 2009 at 8:58 am |

    Re: Oregon “fauxbacks” – Nike ALMOST got it right – yellow pants and black shoes would have been perfect right?

  • MPowers1634 | December 4, 2009 at 8:58 am |

    If David Wright were a Duck:

    http://farm3.static....

  • jesse. | December 4, 2009 at 8:59 am |

    Penn State wore a black patch with the Nike Swosh logo and a Nike word mark on the sleave in 1994. The Simple swosh logo on the shoulder began to show up later in the season in 1994, and was fully integrated in for the 1995 season. All this I know.

    I believe that Penn State, Florida State, Alabama, and USC were the first four teams to use the logo, and I believe this was in 1994. If someone has a picture of any school using the logo prior to 94, I’d be suprised

  • Dane | December 4, 2009 at 9:01 am |

    PINBALL.

    Make sure to spend a few hours at the Pinball Hall of Fame in Las Vegas, now in a new location across the street from the Liberace Museum.
    http://www.pinballmu...

    Here are some pictures I took from my visit to the old location back in February.
    http://gamma1099.shu...

  • jesse. | December 4, 2009 at 9:01 am |

    Here is a picture of the early 1994 version of the logo that Penn State used.

    http://cache2.asset-...

  • David | December 4, 2009 at 9:03 am |

    1995 – Russell logo on right front hip of Army QB Adam Thompson (just to the left of the Reebok glove grabbing his privates)

  • MPowers1634 | December 4, 2009 at 9:04 am |

    [quote comment=”364891″]Logos on uniforms: I think the ocmments above are correct and 1995 was the first time I saw logos on the front, though Champion, Russell, and Starter put them on the side for a few years before that. No visuals, though.

    I know the rule in the NCAA is that football can have two logos and basketball only one, but no one has ever told me the justification for this rule. It seems especially silly since basketball pants are now longer than football pants![/quote]

    Charlie Ward at FSU wearing Easton wristbands and Russell made jerseys(check the lineman’s jocktag).

    http://cache1.asset-...

    http://www.sportsmem...

    http://sports.espn.g...

  • jesse. | December 4, 2009 at 9:04 am |

    Here is a picture with the patch migrated to the shoulder in the 1994 Rose Bowl. Ironically, Oregon is not outfitted by Nike at the time.

    http://146.186.194.3...

  • MPowers1634 | December 4, 2009 at 9:05 am |

    Ki-Jana Carter and some old dude:

    http://cache1.asset-...

  • David | December 4, 2009 at 9:06 am |
  • LI Phil | December 4, 2009 at 9:06 am |

    [quote comment=”364894″]I thought Oregon’s look, except for the white pants, was spot on. That’s what they should wear every game. Just add some gold pants for the home look.

    Classic color scheme, but with the modern “O.” Less is more, Nike.[/quote]

    it’s funny how we all wanna put the ducks in something else minutes after they wear something new…

    personally, i had hoped they’d have worn the new carbon helmets over the steel pants

    but last night was pretty nice…however, here’s a couple “looks” they could have had instead:

    last night’s look with:

    steel pants

    yellow pants

    or same look but with yellow ‘feathers’

    hey…the most important thing is that they were rough on the beavers

  • timmy b | December 4, 2009 at 9:15 am |

    A question was asked late last night (#201)by John about where the Penn State – Syracuse game was played in 1979.

    It was played at the Meadowlands. Syracuse was without a home in 1979 as ancient Archbold Stadium (where you actually sat on concrete slabs) was torn down and the Carrier Dome was under construction.

    Syracuse had five “home” games in 1979; 2 were played at Giants Stadium, 2 were played at Rich Stadium in Buffalo and 1 was played at Cornell.

    Found this on http://www.shrpsport...

    I’m telling you, I can’t prop this website enough for dates, scores, standings and the like. Highly recommended.

  • Joseph Skiba | December 4, 2009 at 9:18 am |

    The vectors are heatsealed on but the uniform stretches too much. The numbers and letters are sewn on…

  • MPowers1634 | December 4, 2009 at 9:21 am |

    [quote comment=”364907″]The vectors are heatsealed on but the uniform stretches too much. The numbers and letters are sewn on…[/quote]

    Is this the norm across the league?

  • leon | December 4, 2009 at 9:22 am |

    [quote comment=”364886″]Duh! Forgot the link. Again, it’s former Florida QB Danny Wuerffel – on the sleeve is the Starter logo.

    http://a.espncdn.com...

    …and on the wristband?

  • Ry Co 40 | December 4, 2009 at 9:24 am |

    maple leaf gardens must have been an AMAZING place to watch a game!!!

  • MPowers1634 | December 4, 2009 at 9:24 am |

    [quote comment=”364904″]1996 Independence Bowl, Army and Auburn both sporting the R on the jersey (and you can see it on Auburn pants too)[/quote]

    This must be photoshopped…Army in a bowl game!

    BTW, Russell still uses the same logo treatment for schools like Georgia Tech, and up until last year, Washington State.

    http://cavdaily.webf...

    http://seattletimes....

  • Jeremy Brahm | December 4, 2009 at 9:26 am |

    University of Oregon Track & Field 1984
    http://boundless.uor...

    Jesse Owens in 1938 in an Olympian uniform
    http://boundless.uor...

    Hey look at my medals (1901)
    http://boundless.uor...

  • Mark K | December 4, 2009 at 9:26 am |

    should have looked more like this…

    http://cdn.complex.c...

  • jesse. | December 4, 2009 at 9:29 am |

    [quote comment=\”364907\”]The vectors are heatsealed on but the uniform stretches too much. The numbers and letters are sewn on…[/quote]

    Why are the vectors heat sealed on to the Giants uniforms while they are sewn into other teams?

  • leon | December 4, 2009 at 9:31 am |

    [quote comment=”364900″]1995 – Russell logo on right front hip of Army QB Adam Thompson (just to the left of the Reebok glove grabbing his privates)[/quote]
    I believe you have to be at least a 2nd louie to play on the football team.

  • Bernard | December 4, 2009 at 9:33 am |

    [quote comment=”364905″][quote comment=”364894″]I thought Oregon’s look, except for the white pants, was spot on. That’s what they should wear every game. Just add some gold pants for the home look.

    Classic color scheme, but with the modern “O.” Less is more, Nike.[/quote]

    it’s funny how we all wanna put the ducks in something else minutes after they wear something new…

    personally, i had hoped they’d have worn the new carbon helmets over the steel pants

    but last night was pretty nice…however, here’s a couple “looks” they could have had instead:

    last night’s look with:

    steel pants

    yellow pants

    or same look but with yellow ‘feathers’

    hey…the most important thing is that they were rough on the beavers[/quote]

    I thought they looked pretty half-assed last night. I’m with Phil – disappointed that we didn’t see the carbon fiber.

    I will say, however, that I LOVE the way it looks with the yellow feathers – nice job, Phil!

  • War Damn Eagle | December 4, 2009 at 9:35 am |

    [quote comment=”364904″]1996 Independence Bowl, Army and Auburn both sporting the R on the jersey (and you can see it on Auburn pants too)[/quote]

    When Auburn started wearing those orange drop-shadow jerseys in ’96, the Russell logo started appearing on the front of the jersey. But I think the Russell logo was on the sleeve, and very small, prior to ’96, starting around ’93 or ’94.

    Here’s a pic from the ’94 game Auburn won in the Swamp. The player in the middle has the Russell logo on his right hip.

    http://cache1.asset-...

    I don’t think Alabama wore the Russell logo as early as 1992:
    http://www.jatampaba...

    And the Tide didn’t have them in ’93, either. But Tennessee had the “SB” logo in ’93.

    http://legacy.decatu...

    I think Alabama started wearing a Russell logo in ’94, which is probably when Auburn started wearing it.

  • Geeman | December 4, 2009 at 9:38 am |

    [quote comment=”364911″][quote comment=”364904″]1996 Independence Bowl, Army and Auburn both sporting the R on the jersey (and you can see it on Auburn pants too)[/quote]

    This must be photoshopped…Army in a bowl game!

    BTW, Russell still uses the same logo treatment for schools like Georgia Tech, and up until last year, Washington State.

    http://cavdaily.webf...

    http://seattletimes....

    Actually, Russell stopped using the red and blue logo about five years ago and now uses a one-color black or blue logo. They do make great old-school workout clothes.

  • Geeman | December 4, 2009 at 9:39 am |

    Glad that Auburn doesn’t do the drop-shadow anymore. Their uniforms now look GREAT.

  • War Damn Eagle | December 4, 2009 at 9:39 am |

    [quote comment=”364911″][quote comment=”364904″]1996 Independence Bowl, Army and Auburn both sporting the R on the jersey (and you can see it on Auburn pants too)[/quote]

    This must be photoshopped…Army in a bowl game!

    BTW, Russell still uses the same logo treatment for schools like Georgia Tech, and up until last year, Washington State.

    http://cavdaily.webf...

    http://seattletimes....

    Russell switched from the multicolor “R” to an italicized single-color “R” with “Russell” underneath it in 2004.

    Cadillac in 2003 vs. Alabama (old Russell logo):
    http://blog.al.com/g...

    Cadillac in 2004 vs. Virginia Tech (new Russell logo):
    http://images.usatod...

  • Jeremy Brahm | December 4, 2009 at 9:39 am |

    Last night on the Ducks pregame show, they interviewed offensive lineman Mark Asper and he said that his high school shared a football field and the team that they shared it with would paint the goal posts when they would win the rivalry game.

    Wikidpedia even mentions it
    http://en.wikipedia....

    Each fall, the varsity football teams from Idaho Falls and Skyline high schools compete in the Emotion Bowl in Idaho Falls’ Ravsten Stadium, which is shared by the two schools[18] The winning team and its fans have traditionally painted the goalposts of the stadium in their school colors (blue for Skyline or orange for I.F.).

    Picture of the goal posts from the game in October.
    http://www.emotionbo...

    It looks like it will remain orange.
    http://www.emotionbo...

    Any other examples of this?

  • Geeman | December 4, 2009 at 9:40 am |

    [quote comment=”364902″]Here is a picture with the patch migrated to the shoulder in the 1994 Rose Bowl. Ironically, Oregon is not outfitted by Nike at the time.

    http://146.186.194.3...

    The Oregon uniforms are just BEAUTIFUL.

  • Teebz | December 4, 2009 at 9:41 am |

    More proof that the Atlanta Thrashers’ alternate football-esque jerseys are the worst thing to happen to that team since they went light blue at home?

    The Thrashers are 0-4-1 in the alternates this season.

  • interlockingtc | December 4, 2009 at 9:44 am |

    I obviously have no business sense: I want old Maple Leaf Gardens to just remain as it is for all eternity. *sigh*

  • leon | December 4, 2009 at 9:44 am |
  • Geeman | December 4, 2009 at 9:44 am |

    [quote comment=”364920″][quote comment=”364911″][quote comment=”364904″]1996 Independence Bowl, Army and Auburn both sporting the R on the jersey (and you can see it on Auburn pants too)[/quote]

    This must be photoshopped…Army in a bowl game!

    BTW, Russell still uses the same logo treatment for schools like Georgia Tech, and up until last year, Washington State.

    http://cavdaily.webf...

    http://seattletimes....

    Russell switched from the multicolor “R” to an italicized single-color “R” with “Russell” underneath it in 2004.

    Cadillac in 2003 vs. Alabama (old Russell logo):
    http://blog.al.com/g...

    Cadillac in 2004 vs. Virginia Tech (new Russell logo):
    http://images.usatod...

    Auburn and Alabama — GORGEOUS unis.

  • War Damn Eagle | December 4, 2009 at 9:44 am |

    [quote comment=”364919″]Glad that Auburn doesn’t do the drop-shadow anymore. Their uniforms now look GREAT.[/quote]

    I agree, but the billboarding of the jersey still bothers me. Compare this (1992):

    http://2.bp.blogspot...

    to this (2009):

    http://cache4.asset-...

  • War Damn Eagle | December 4, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    another pic of tennessee from ’93, with the logo on the shoulder.

    http://cache2.asset-...

  • bigo | December 4, 2009 at 9:58 am |

    [quote comment=”364907″]The vectors are heatsealed on but the uniform stretches too much. The numbers and letters are sewn on…[/quote]

    So are the numbers made from the same sretching material.

  • Kevin | December 4, 2009 at 10:01 am |

    The “SB” logo is for Sports Belle. They may still be in the uni business today. If I am not mistaken they may be based out of Knoxville.

    What I found interesting is that at a uniform show a few years ago the vendor told me that many uniforms, including some Nike and Adidas jersies, were just other uniform companies gear (Wilson, Speedline, Sports Belle, etc) with their logo sewn on.

  • al | December 4, 2009 at 10:02 am |

    Paul, i do not understand why you think the jets wore the wrong socks as i have yet to find documentation that they were the green socks on the road with the white pants. i did however find this NFL merch that seems to say they wore the right socks:
    https://www.nowandth...(New%20York%20Jets)%20White%20Jersey.jpg

  • Geeman | December 4, 2009 at 10:03 am |

    [quote comment=”364927″][quote comment=”364919″]Glad that Auburn doesn’t do the drop-shadow anymore. Their uniforms now look GREAT.[/quote]

    I agree, but the billboarding of the jersey still bothers me. Compare this (1992):

    http://2.bp.blogspot...

    to this (2009):

    http://cache4.asset-...

    You’re right. That’s a problem endemic to footblal now. Notre Dame had the cluttered look for a while but cleaned it up eventually so it now looks like this, which is reasonable (though I’d prefer a green shamrock to the “ND”).

    http://a.images.blip...

  • Flip | December 4, 2009 at 10:04 am |

    [quote comment=”364883″]there were a lot of uni issues for the Ducks last night. The “O” on Blount’s helmet was chipped away and there was a piece where the sideline reporter showed helmets that were cracking[/quote]

    For a moment forget what they looked like, what was the deal with those broken helmets?

  • al | December 4, 2009 at 10:05 am |

    i will try the jets link again:
    http://www.nowandthe...

  • The Jeff | December 4, 2009 at 10:08 am |

    [quote comment=”364931″]Paul, i do not understand why you think the jets wore the wrong socks as i have yet to find documentation that they were the green socks on the road with the white pants. i did however find this NFL merch that seems to say they wore the right socks:
    https://www.nowandth...(New%20York%20Jets)%20White%20Jersey.jpg%5B/quote%5D

    White socks with white pants = wrong

    Disagree if you wish, but that’s how it is.

  • Josh | December 4, 2009 at 10:08 am |

    I was always under the assumption that FSU and Michigan were the first big time football programs to go with Nike. I would think one of these two were the first to have the swoosh.

  • War Damn Eagle | December 4, 2009 at 10:09 am |

    florida:

    nothing in ’91 (hadn’t even added the gator head logo yet; they were still using the old UF logo – on the hips) –

    http://images.google...

    but they had a logo by the ’93 season (’94 sugar bowl):
    http://images.google...

  • War Damn Eagle | December 4, 2009 at 10:12 am |

    [quote comment=”364931″]Paul, i do not understand why you think the jets wore the wrong socks as i have yet to find documentation that they were the green socks on the road with the white pants. i did however find this NFL merch that seems to say they wore the right socks:
    https://www.nowandth...(New%20York%20Jets)%20White%20Jersey.jpg%5B/quote%5D

    I think the correct historical interpretation would require that the the jets have green socks with two white stripes, not white socks with two green stripes:

    http://cache1.asset-...

  • David | December 4, 2009 at 10:15 am |

    [quote comment=”364917″]
    When Auburn started wearing those orange drop-shadow jerseys in ’96, the Russell logo started appearing on the front of the jersey. But I think the Russell logo was on the sleeve, and very small, prior to ’96, starting around ’93 or ’94.[/quote]

    The R moved all over Army’s jerseys in 1996:

    10/12 vs Rutgers @ Meadowlands, on right sleeve

    11/16 @ Syracuse, higher on sleeve

    Then the front of the jersey in the 12/31 Independence Bowl

  • Flip | December 4, 2009 at 10:16 am |

    Uniforms as billboards long have bothered me. I don’t mind adding the school name: http://pictopia.com/...
    But this looks really good: http://www.helmethut...
    This simply is piling on: http://media.scout.c...

  • Flip | December 4, 2009 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment=”364889″][quote comment=”364881″]The only thing that marred last night’s Civil War game for me was the fact the Ducks wore white pants – should have been gold, should have been gold.[/quote]

    You are correct, sir. Otherwise, though, those uniforms should be the standard. A marvelous combination of old and new.

    Oregon’s official school colors are green and yellow (though last night’s were more of a gold), so black and pewter have no business in that ensemble. Good work last night, O.[/quote]

    Thot the white pants looked pretty crisp. Some sort of green and yellow striping (ideally green-yellow-green) would have helped, but I have no quarrel with the look. Both teams looked sharp.

    The rotating uniforms, though, have us talking about them well after the game, though. Mission accomplished.

  • LI Phil | December 4, 2009 at 10:20 am |

    [quote comment=”364938″][quote comment=”364931″]Paul, i do not understand why you think the jets wore the wrong socks as i have yet to find documentation that they were the green socks on the road with the white pants. i did however find this NFL merch that seems to say they wore the right socks:
    https://www.nowandth...(New%20York%20Jets)%20White%20Jersey.jpg%5B/quote%5D

    I think the correct historical interpretation would require that the the jets have green socks with two white stripes, not white socks with two green stripes:

    http://cache1.asset-...

    you’re correct jonathon

    i had this argument with ricko a while back and he set me straight…the white jersey/white pants combo, historically had a green top on the socks

    more examples

  • EddieAtari | December 4, 2009 at 10:20 am |

    Shouldn’t the Jets’ green socks have two white stripes as well? I’d do a mock-up but I’m at work with a sans-Photoshop PC…

  • War Damn Eagle | December 4, 2009 at 10:23 am |

    no uni logo for notre dame in ’92:
    http://images.google...

    nothing in ’93, either:

    http://images.google...

    notre dame had the champion logo on the left shoulder (look at the o-lineman) by ’94:

    http://cache3.asset-...

  • Paul Lukas | December 4, 2009 at 10:24 am |

    Even in the non-striped-sock era, the Jets have, until recently, gone with green-topped socks when wearing white pants on the road:
    http://cache3.asset-...
    http://www.mhlff.com...

  • Joseph Skiba | December 4, 2009 at 10:25 am |

    The vectors were too light on the unis and a heatseal patch was attempted…stetch twill numbers and letters are sewn on…

  • Hott Rodd | December 4, 2009 at 10:26 am |

    [quote comment=”364887″]FYI: I’m telling you right now to save you all some posts on Sunday afternoon. I’m throwing the jerseys on the pads and the vectors are peeling off.[/quote]

    Any other uniform chicanery planned this weekend Joe? Alt Jerseys? I need to know which ‘Boys Jersey to put on Sunday morning.

  • EddieAtari | December 4, 2009 at 10:27 am |

    Jets in white jersey & green socks, 1998: http://bit.ly/8sO0CE

  • War Damn Eagle | December 4, 2009 at 10:31 am |

    [quote comment=”364943″]Shouldn’t the Jets’ green socks have two white stripes as well? I’d do a mock-up but I’m at work with a sans-Photoshop PC…[/quote]

    i don’t what to think after seeing this photo. did namath play around with the socks to create the illusion they were white with green stripes?

    http://www.posters57...

    no stripes at all here (and no TV numbers, either):
    http://www.footballb...

    no stripes, but the TV numbers return:
    http://www.bestsport...

    this pic looks like riggo has white socks with THREE green stripes:
    http://1.bp.blogspot...

    white on white, but with green-top socks and no stripes:
    http://i.cdn.turner....

  • Ricko | December 4, 2009 at 10:33 am |

    [quote comment=”364935″][quote comment=”364931″]Paul, i do not understand why you think the jets wore the wrong socks as i have yet to find documentation that they were the green socks on the road with the white pants. i did however find this NFL merch that seems to say they wore the right socks:
    https://www.nowandth...(New%20York%20Jets)%20White%20Jersey.jpg%5B/quote%5D

    White socks with white pants = wrong

    Disagree if you wish, but that’s how it is.[/quote]

    A statement that assures anyone the speaker wasn’t following football in the ’80s or before.

    Don’t say that to, oh, Anthony Carter, Todd Blackledge, Tom Jackson, Roger Carr, Earl Campbell (and more) or entire teams from that era (Penn State, Florida, Arkansas, Texas, Nebraska, Illinois…and plenty of others).

    “Wrong” meaning it’s a look you don’t like it.

    Just, y’know, sayin’…

    More “rules”. Ain’t no frickin’ rules…other than one team in white and any other crap the organization’s uni police comes up with.

    —Ricko

  • Stuby | December 4, 2009 at 10:35 am |

    Why they gave Justin Leonard’s caddy a #44 Giants jersey is beyond me.

    http://akamai.edeal....

    This number would’ve been so much better…

    http://cache2.asset-...

  • EddieAtari | December 4, 2009 at 10:37 am |

    Also, Vinny in white jersey and green socks: http://bit.ly/8a3Kxp

  • David | December 4, 2009 at 10:38 am |
  • Joseph Skiba | December 4, 2009 at 10:38 am |

    Hott Rodd, where your dallas white…

  • EddieAtari | December 4, 2009 at 10:42 am |

    [quote comment=”364952″]Also, Vinny in white jersey and green socks: http://bit.ly/8a3Kxp...

    Sorry, Paul… Didn’t realize you already posted that one…

  • LI Phil | December 4, 2009 at 10:45 am |

    [quote comment=”364950″][quote comment=”364935″][quote comment=”364931″]Paul, i do not understand why you think the jets wore the wrong socks as i have yet to find documentation that they were the green socks on the road with the white pants. i did however find this NFL merch that seems to say they wore the right socks:
    https://www.nowandth...(New%20York%20Jets)%20White%20Jersey.jpg%5B/quote%5D

    White socks with white pants = wrong

    Disagree if you wish, but that’s how it is.[/quote]

    A statement that assures anyone the speaker wasn’t following football in the ’80s or before.

    Don’t say that to, oh, Anthony Carter, Todd Blackledge, Tom Jackson, Roger Carr, Earl Campbell (and more) or entire teams from that era (Penn State, Florida, Arkansas, Texas, Nebraska, Illinois…and plenty of others).

    “Wrong” meaning it’s a look you don’t like it.

    Just, y’know, sayin’…

    More “rules”. Ain’t no frickin’ rules…other than one team in white and any other crap the organization’s uni police comes up with.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    rick

    i think THE jeff is saying the white socks with white pants FOR THE JETS is wrong…

    not necessarily that the look itself is wrong

    /just clarifying

  • Flip | December 4, 2009 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment=”364942″][quote comment=”364938″][quote comment=”364931″]Paul, i do not understand why you think the jets wore the wrong socks as i have yet to find documentation that they were the green socks on the road with the white pants. i did however find this NFL merch that seems to say they wore the right socks:
    https://www.nowandth...(New%20York%20Jets)%20White%20Jersey.jpg%5B/quote%5D

    I think the correct historical interpretation would require that the the jets have green socks with two white stripes, not white socks with two green stripes:

    http://cache1.asset-...

    you’re correct jonathon

    i had this argument with ricko a while back and he set me straight…the white jersey/white pants combo, historically had a green top on the socks

    more examples[/quote]

    Damned, that’s a good Jets look: http://assets.nydail...

  • LI Phil | December 4, 2009 at 10:47 am |

    [quote comment=”364954″]Hott Rodd, where your dallas white…[/quote]

    yup…this one ;)

  • Ian | December 4, 2009 at 10:47 am |

    I love pinball as well. Setting the #1 score on a “lord of the rings” game in MSP nearly cost me my flight home to Seattle. They were holding the plane for me when I realized what time it was.

    http://farm1.static....

  • Hott Rodd | December 4, 2009 at 10:50 am |

    Sorry Phil.. No flickr @ work. Which Romo pic is it?

  • Ross | December 4, 2009 at 10:52 am |

    Cool vintage christmas Meat ad:

    http://farm4.static....

  • MPowers1634 | December 4, 2009 at 10:54 am |

    [quote comment=”364953″]1/1/93 Cotton Bowl, ND with Champion logo on sleeve[/quote]

    check out the custom fasemask on the player congratulating Bettis.

  • War Damn Eagle | December 4, 2009 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment=”364953″]1/1/93 Cotton Bowl, ND with Champion logo on sleeve[/quote]

    nice find.

  • Ricko | December 4, 2009 at 10:56 am |

    [quote comment=”364956″][quote comment=”364950″][quote comment=”364935″][quote comment=”364931″]Paul, i do not understand why you think the jets wore the wrong socks as i have yet to find documentation that they were the green socks on the road with the white pants. i did however find this NFL merch that seems to say they wore the right socks:
    https://www.nowandth...(New%20York%20Jets)%20White%20Jersey.jpg%5B/quote%5D

    White socks with white pants = wrong

    Disagree if you wish, but that’s how it is.[/quote]

    A statement that assures anyone the speaker wasn’t following football in the ’80s or before.

    Don’t say that to, oh, Anthony Carter, Todd Blackledge, Tom Jackson, Roger Carr, Earl Campbell (and more) or entire teams from that era (Penn State, Florida, Arkansas, Texas, Nebraska, Illinois…and plenty of others).

    “Wrong” meaning it’s a look you don’t like it.

    Just, y’know, sayin’…

    More “rules”. Ain’t no frickin’ rules…other than one team in white and any other crap the organization’s uni police comes up with.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    rick

    i think THE jeff is saying the white socks with white pants FOR THE JETS is wrong…

    not necessarily that the look itself is wrong

    /just clarifying[/quote]

    In that case, I modify the response., and apologize. I read it board quickly and thought The Jef was talking about the Ducks last night.

    Indeed, the Jets did not wear high white socks with that uni in the pre-green helmet era. Kelly with two stripes, the later (Richard Todd days), plain kelly.

    Then again, that uni was kelly green, so the current uni isn’t a true throwback. That pretty much gives them latitude to mess with the look. “Inspired” by a uni is NOT the same thing as recreating it.

    Which means the forest/hunter/whatever pants aren’t wrong, just not a look I prefer. Well, especially the mono. Getting used to white-over-green, I guess…cuz they have the brains to wear the white socks with them.

    —Ricko

  • TommyD | December 4, 2009 at 10:57 am |

    Oregon actually looked presentable last night instead of donning the ridiculous costumes they usually wear. God only knows what nonsense they’ll show up wearing in Pasadena.

  • Frank Mercogliano | December 4, 2009 at 10:57 am |

    Regarding the Emotion Bowl…yes, I can verify that they do paint the goalposts. Ravsten Stadium was the former home of Ricks College, which dropped athletics when they became BYU-Idaho.

    The Emotion Bowl stuff took a bad turn a few years ago with the slaying of cats and hanging them on the other school’s welcome sign. Pretty gruesome…

    Frank

  • MPowers1634 | December 4, 2009 at 10:59 am |

    [quote comment=”364959″]I love pinball as well. Setting the #1 score on a “lord of the rings” game in MSP nearly cost me my flight home to Seattle. They were holding the plane for me when I realized what time it was.

    http://farm1.static....

    That deaf, dumb, blind kid…writes some good entries on the weekend.

  • Rick Chaney | December 4, 2009 at 11:01 am |

    Lawsuit Over Ravens Logo Goes To Appeals Court

    http://wjz.com/local...

  • John | December 4, 2009 at 11:05 am |

    http://sportsillustr...
    Patrick Ewings Undershirt … logo creep

  • leon | December 4, 2009 at 11:13 am |

    Hope I don’t sound too much like a geezer but here goes: The first concert I attended was the Who in 1969 at Merriwether Post Pavillion. It was in the spring and they played the entire Tommy album, which had just been released. They were not all that well-known yet, but that would change with Woodstock and the movie of the same name. Two years later when they played there,the fans stormed the gate and tore down the fences, resulting in a suspension of concerts there for some years. Lest I forget, their warmup group in ’69 was a real unknown at the time: Led Zeppelin.

    Thanks for the indulgence; I now return you to this century.

  • David | December 4, 2009 at 11:16 am |
  • Jesse Whtie | December 4, 2009 at 11:17 am |

    The Texas Tech men’s basketball team did not wear a n.o.b on there jersey’s in their win over washington on Thursday December 3. I am not sure if they normaly do this or if they just did this for this game.

  • mike 2 | December 4, 2009 at 11:20 am |

    Quick scan of the internets didn’t find the “how to buy meat” album but did find the video that went along with it:

    http://www.archive.o...

  • TommyD | December 4, 2009 at 11:20 am |

    [quote comment=”364969″]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/edb/reader.html?magID=SI&issueDate=19821220&mode=reader_
    Patrick Ewings Undershirt … logo creep[/quote]

    go to page 79 in the reader app (77 in the magazine) to Faces in the crowd… one of them is Rodney Peete, Pretty cool considering he was a successful div 1A QB and had a pretty long NFL career. (and also has a super hot wife)

  • Tim | December 4, 2009 at 11:22 am |

    By the way, there was no way the Ducks were going to debut the carbon helmets last night. Oregon has been reluctant to let Nike make them black helmets (carbon is close to black) for years because they were afraid they’d look too much like Oregon State. Although Oregon has apparently relented this year, the last thing I expected them to do was to wear black/carbon helmets last night.

  • mike 2 | December 4, 2009 at 11:24 am |

    [quote comment=”364910″]maple leaf gardens must have been an AMAZING place to watch a game!!![/quote]

    It was an awesome place to see a game. I saw a few Maple Leaf games there but a TON of Toronto Toros games (which were a much easier ticket in the 1970s).

    Like they say about a lot of things, the new place is better in every measurable way (seats, concourses, concessions, etc.) but its just not as good.

  • LI Phil | December 4, 2009 at 11:30 am |

    [quote comment=”364975″]By the way, there was no way the Ducks were going to debut the carbon helmets last night. Oregon has been reluctant to let Nike make them black helmets (carbon is close to black) for years because they were afraid they’d look too much like Oregon State. Although Oregon has apparently relented this year, the last thing I expected them to do was to wear black/carbon helmets last night.[/quote]

    while i agree that wearing one of their arch-rivals colors in the civil war wasn’t likely to happen (although the carbon helmet doesn’t necessarily look black)…they HAVE had a black helmet since 2008 (debuted it in the arizona game)

    and they’ve had black (either in or on) their uniforms for several years

    the kids love the black, and i gotta admit, at least the ducks make ninja look good

  • Glen | December 4, 2009 at 11:31 am |
  • Bob Loblaw | December 4, 2009 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”364890″]shel talmy approves of the title of this post[/quote]

    I’ll bite…. is that a Kinks’ reference???

  • Stuby | December 4, 2009 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”364974″][quote comment=”364969″]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/edb/reader.html?magID=SI&issueDate=19821220&mode=reader_
    Patrick Ewings Undershirt … logo creep[/quote]

    go to page 79 in the reader app (77 in the magazine) to Faces in the crowd… one of them is Rodney Peete, Pretty cool considering he was a successful div 1A QB and had a pretty long NFL career. (and also has a super hot wife)[/quote]

    And two faces down the page from Rodney is Gary Jobson, a pretty good sailor and later a commentator on America’s Cup races. Always cool when there are TWO famous people in the same “Faces”.

  • David | December 4, 2009 at 11:35 am |

    9/12/1992 — Florida and Notre Dame

    side note – Big East teams produce lots of when scrolling through thumbnails of that era — I had forgotten those huge Big East logos

  • Hott Rodd | December 4, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    [quote comment=\”364974\”][quote comment=\”364969\”]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/edb/reader.html?magID=SI&issueDate=19821220&mode=reader_
    Patrick Ewings Undershirt … logo creep[/quote]

    go to page 79 in the reader app (77 in the magazine) to Faces in the crowd… one of them is Rodney Peete, Pretty cool considering he was a successful div 1A QB and had a pretty long NFL career. (and also has a super hot wife)[/quote]

    Interesting.. I never got past page 78(76)..

  • MPowers1634 | December 4, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    No logo, but truncated stripes:

    http://cdn.bleacherr...

    I can’t make this out:

    http://cache3.asset-...

    Champion:
    http://www.coachtres...

    Michigan in 95:
    http://menofthescarl...

    Elvis Grbac in 1991:
    http://www.thewolver...

    Miami 1990-1993?:
    http://www.miami-hur...

  • Bob Loblaw | December 4, 2009 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment=”364903″]Ki-Jana Carter and some old dude:

    http://cache1.asset-...

    Man, Ki-Jana… (wistful mode ON)- what a waste of talent! (wistful mode OFF). i wonder what Joe Pa’s bra size would be.

  • LI Phil | December 4, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    [quote comment=”364979″][quote comment=”364890″]shel talmy approves of the title of this post[/quote]

    I’ll bite…. is that a Kinks’ reference???[/quote]

    kind of a long-way to go to get this…

    shel talmy was the who’s manager in their early days…some nastiness and legal battles ensued between talmy and the band, leaving the who close to bankruptcy…the album (tommy) from which “pinball wizard” comes brought them back to prominence, and enabled them to survive the legal shenanigans with talmy…and the actual song, “pinball wizard” (which was the last one written for the album and which townsend reportedly HATED), was the “hit”…thus propelling album sales

    so, “shel talmy approves” was sort of in reference to the song, album, and subsequent return to financial footing after their legal battles with him

    /i’ll shut up about this now

  • MPowers1634 | December 4, 2009 at 11:42 am |

    [quote comment=”364983″]No logo, but truncated stripes:

    http://cdn.bleacherr...

    I can’t make this out:

    http://cache3.asset-...

    Champion:
    http://www.coachtres...

    Michigan in 95:
    http://menofthescarl...

    Elvis Grbac in 1991:
    http://www.thewolver...

    Miami 1990-1993?:
    http://www.miami-hur...

    Miami joined the Big east in October 1990, so there’s a three year span 91,92,93 that pic could be from.

  • leon | December 4, 2009 at 11:45 am |

    For those who may like this sort of thing:

    http://www.artdaily....

    OK, done now.

  • David | December 4, 2009 at 11:45 am |

    [quote comment=”364983″]Miami 1990-1993?:
    http://www.miami-hur...

    Yeah, I think logos on jerseys were just a natural extension of the jock tag.

  • Bob Loblaw | December 4, 2009 at 11:47 am |

    [quote comment=”364957″][quote comment=”364942″][quote comment=”364938″][quote comment=”364931″]Paul, i do not understand why you think the jets wore the wrong socks as i have yet to find documentation that they were the green socks on the road with the white pants. i did however find this NFL merch that seems to say they wore the right socks:
    https://www.nowandth...(New%20York%20Jets)%20White%20Jersey.jpg%5B/quote%5D

    I think the correct historical interpretation would require that the the jets have green socks with two white stripes, not white socks with two green stripes:

    http://cache1.asset-...

    you’re correct jonathon

    i had this argument with ricko a while back and he set me straight…the white jersey/white pants combo, historically had a green top on the socks

    more examples[/quote]

    Damned, that’s a good Jets look: http://assets.nydail...

    aye… and the best NOB ever, in any sport.

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 4, 2009 at 11:53 am |

    When wearing white over the white the Jets should go with these socks.

  • Ricko | December 4, 2009 at 11:53 am |

    Lead story in today’s StarTribune bears this headline:
    “HOLD ON TO THE BALL!”

    Can’t imagine what/who it’s about, can you.

    —Ricko

  • Bob Loblaw | December 4, 2009 at 11:54 am |

    [quote comment=”364985″][quote comment=”364979″][quote comment=”364890″]shel talmy approves of the title of this post[/quote]

    I’ll bite…. is that a Kinks’ reference???[/quote]

    kind of a long-way to go to get this…

    shel talmy was the who’s manager in their early days…some nastiness and legal battles ensued between talmy and the band, leaving the who close to bankruptcy…the album (tommy) from which “pinball wizard” comes brought them back to prominence, and enabled them to survive the legal shenanigans with talmy…and the actual song, “pinball wizard” (which was the last one written for the album and which townsend reportedly HATED), was the “hit”…thus propelling album sales

    so, “shel talmy approves” was sort of in reference to the song, album, and subsequent return to financial footing after their legal battles with him

    /i’ll shut up about this now[/quote]
    hey.. good info. I should have remembered that Talmy managed The Who. I’m reading XRay, Ray Davies’ Autobio and Talmy is quite prominent in their early days, as well.

  • Hott Rodd | December 4, 2009 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=”364985″][quote comment=”364979″][quote comment=”364890″]shel talmy approves of the title of this post[/quote]

    I’ll bite…. is that a Kinks’ reference???[/quote]

    kind of a long-way to go to get this…

    shel talmy was the who’s manager in their early days…some nastiness and legal battles ensued between talmy and the band, leaving the who close to bankruptcy…the album (tommy) from which “pinball wizard” comes brought them back to prominence, and enabled them to survive the legal shenanigans with talmy…and the actual song, “pinball wizard” (which was the last one written for the album and which townsend reportedly HATED), was the “hit”…thus propelling album sales

    so, “shel talmy approves” was sort of in reference to the song, album, and subsequent return to financial footing after their legal battles with him

    /i’ll shut up about this now[/quote]

    So.. It’s kind of an old guy version of Reznor/Malm, the decline of Nothing records, the death of tapeworm, and Reznor moving to LA getting buff hanging with Dre and releasing a ton of kick ass music over the last 5 years?

  • Kenny Jacobson | December 4, 2009 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=”364977″][quote comment=”364975″]By the way, there was no way the Ducks were going to debut the carbon helmets last night. Oregon has been reluctant to let Nike make them black helmets (carbon is close to black) for years because they were afraid they’d look too much like Oregon State. Although Oregon has apparently relented this year, the last thing I expected them to do was to wear black/carbon helmets last night.[/quote]

    while i agree that wearing one of their arch-rivals colors in the civil war wasn’t likely to happen (although the carbon helmet doesn’t necessarily look black)…they HAVE had a black helmet since 2008 (debuted it in the arizona game)

    and they’ve had black (either in or on) their uniforms for several years

    the kids love the black, and i gotta admit, at least the ducks make ninja look good[/quote]
    Yeah, it looks good but it doesn’t look like Oregon.

  • Hott Rodd | December 4, 2009 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”364992″]Lead story in today’s StarTribune bears this headline:
    “HOLD ON TO THE BALL!”

    Can’t imagine what/who it’s about, can you.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Lance Armstrong’s Girlfriend?

  • Bob Loblaw | December 4, 2009 at 12:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”364957″][quote comment=”364942″][quote comment=”364938″][quote comment=”364931″]Paul, i do not understand why you think the jets wore the wrong socks as i have yet to find documentation that they were the green socks on the road with the white pants. i did however find this NFL merch that seems to say they wore the right socks:
    https://www.nowandth...(New%20York%20Jets)%20White%20Jersey.jpg%5B/quote%5D

    I think the correct historical interpretation would require that the the jets have green socks with two white stripes, not white socks with two green stripes:

    http://cache1.asset-...

    you’re correct jonathon

    i had this argument with ricko a while back and he set me straight…the white jersey/white pants combo, historically had a green top on the socks

    more examples[/quote]

    Damned, that’s a good Jets look: http://assets.nydail...

    Aye, Also the BEST NOB ever, in all sports.

  • Jeremy Brahm | December 4, 2009 at 12:13 pm |

    Here is the ball for the 2010 FIFA World Cup from Adidas.
    http://www.fifa.com/...

  • Wes Kendall | December 4, 2009 at 12:37 pm |

    Really guys? I like the Jets wearing their striped socks always. I like striped socks PERIOD. Every team uses the bland one color sock.

  • David | December 4, 2009 at 12:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”364998″]Here is the ball for the 2010 FIFA World Cup from Adidas.
    http://www.fifa.com/...

    “Minimal seam, more perfection”

    More perfection?

  • LI Phil | December 4, 2009 at 12:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”364999″]Really guys? I like the Jets wearing their striped socks always. I like striped socks PERIOD. Every team uses the bland one color sock.[/quote]

    there is absolutely nothing wrong with wearing the white striped socks…those are the oversock…they simply need to wear the green undersock and not pull the white striped socks up to their knees

    back in the day…they did have a plain white oversock with a green and white stiped undersock…which led to all kinds of crazy looks, depending on how high the oversock was pulled up

    (it also appears they had different sets of undersocks as well)

    all they need do now is add two green stripes to the socks worn with the green jersey/white pants combo

    i mean, c’mon this looks so crappy

    however…

    if they’re going to wear green pants…then these socks are perfect

    /of course, they shouldn’t be wearing green pants, but that’s a whole ‘nother ball of wax

  • Ry Co 40 | December 4, 2009 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”364976″][quote comment=”364910″]maple leaf gardens must have been an AMAZING place to watch a game!!![/quote]

    It was an awesome place to see a game. I saw a few Maple Leaf games there but a TON of Toronto Toros games (which were a much easier ticket in the 1970s).

    Like they say about a lot of things, the new place is better in every measurable way (seats, concourses, concessions, etc.) but its just not as good.[/quote]

    looks like you were RIGHT on top of the action!!! i was at mellon arena last night, and it STUNK! there was some kind of odor… over cooked food, or trash, or something. just, blah!

    *leave the easy jokes go people…

  • Mario Carr | December 4, 2009 at 12:53 pm |

    Paul, My dad’s friend just opened (about october or so) a pinball specific arcade in my hometown of downingtown pa they have machines on coin play, and everything in the arcade is for sale they also service any pinball machine and have 11 week leagues here’s their website http://www.pinballga...

  • Ken | December 4, 2009 at 12:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”364910″]maple leaf gardens must have been an AMAZING place to watch a game!!![/quote]
    I’ve heard some wonderful stories. My only visit there was for the “wake” of Harold Ballard (former owner)so I only saw the office area.

  • Jeremy Brahm | December 4, 2009 at 12:59 pm |

    Even the balls in the pots for the FIFA World Cup Draw match the new ball.

  • Dane | December 4, 2009 at 1:14 pm |

    Montreal Canadiens\’ goaltender Carey Price will have a new helmet tonight for the 100th anniversary game.
    http://www.habsinsid...

  • Ricko | December 4, 2009 at 1:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”364997″][quote comment=”364957″][quote comment=”364942″][quote comment=”364938″][quote comment=”364931″]Paul, i do not understand why you think the jets wore the wrong socks as i have yet to find documentation that they were the green socks on the road with the white pants. i did however find this NFL merch that seems to say they wore the right socks:
    https://www.nowandth...(New%20York%20Jets)%20White%20Jersey.jpg%5B/quote%5D

    I think the correct historical interpretation would require that the the jets have green socks with two white stripes, not white socks with two green stripes:

    http://cache1.asset-...

    you’re correct jonathon

    i had this argument with ricko a while back and he set me straight…the white jersey/white pants combo, historically had a green top on the socks

    more examples[/quote]

    Damned, that’s a good Jets look: http://assets.nydail...

    Aye, Also the BEST NOB ever, in all sports.[/quote]

    Wonder if BOOZER ever tackled HOOKER.
    Probably would have been on special teams.

    —Ricko

  • TommyD | December 4, 2009 at 1:21 pm |

    I suppose I may be alone on this, but as far as SOCKS go… I fund them quite irrelevant in the whole scope of things. Basically an afterthought.

    I mean seriously, when a team trots out wearing something like these

    http://cdn.faniq.com...

    does their hosiery matter one bit?

  • Bernard | December 4, 2009 at 1:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”365002″][quote comment=”364976″][quote comment=”364910″]maple leaf gardens must have been an AMAZING place to watch a game!!![/quote]

    It was an awesome place to see a game. I saw a few Maple Leaf games there but a TON of Toronto Toros games (which were a much easier ticket in the 1970s).

    Like they say about a lot of things, the new place is better in every measurable way (seats, concourses, concessions, etc.) but its just not as good.[/quote]

    looks like you were RIGHT on top of the action!!! i was at mellon arena last night, and it STUNK! there was some kind of odor… over cooked food, or trash, or something. just, blah!

    *leave the easy jokes go people…[/quote]

    I have text message proof that Kek was there last night too. Read into that what you will.

  • Ricko | December 4, 2009 at 1:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”365008″]I suppose I may be alone on this, but as far as SOCKS go… I fund them quite irrelevant in the whole scope of things. Basically an afterthought.

    I mean seriously, when a team trots out wearing something like these

    http://cdn.faniq.com...

    does their hosiery matter one bit?[/quote]

    True, in that instance their shouldery and kneesery and pretty overwhelming.

    However, broadly striped yellow and black socks would have worked nicely. I mean, they already have the tread marks from a crime scene, so a graphic suggesting yellow police tape would have been appropriate. Coulda called ’em their “CSI” unis.

    —Ricko

  • LarryB | December 4, 2009 at 1:33 pm |

    http://farm3.static....

    Great picture of Rainbow helmet. Bolding’s site is a super site. I was looking around it the other day. SO much to read and see.

  • Bob Loblaw | December 4, 2009 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”365005″]Even the balls in the pots for the FIFA World Cup Draw match the new ball.[/quote]

    USA vs. England…. interesting first round match.

  • LarryB | December 4, 2009 at 1:37 pm |

    I remember playing the old baseball game with the ball coming in and you hit it. Hitting a HR over the wall was a blast.

    http://farm3.static....

  • Ricko | December 4, 2009 at 1:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”365011″]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2503/4156815160_47c54d77b5_o.jpg

    Great picture of Rainbow helmet. Bolding’s site is a super site. I was looking around it the other day. SO much to read and see.[/quote]

    Who they playing? SO many possibilities, based on the uni. Michigan State? Utah? Even San Jose State or Cal, I think, cuz pants maybe could be yellow. Hard to say who might have scheduled Hawaii back then. Probably someone from West Coast. Seems like most, but not all, of Hawaii’s opponents were Coast teams in that era.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | December 4, 2009 at 1:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”365014″][quote comment=”365011″]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2503/4156815160_47c54d77b5_o.jpg

    Great picture of Rainbow helmet. Bolding’s site is a super site. I was looking around it the other day. SO much to read and see.[/quote]

    Who they playing? SO many possibilities, based on the uni. Michigan State? Utah? Even San Jose State or Cal, I think, cuz pants maybe could be yellow. Hard to say who might have scheduled Hawaii back then. Probably someone from West Coast. Seems like most, but not all, of Hawaii’s opponents were Coast teams in that era.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    SF State used that design. Remember Ollie Matson painting from the other day?

  • David | December 4, 2009 at 1:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”364972″]The Texas Tech men’s basketball team did not wear a n.o.b on there jersey’s in their win over washington on Thursday December 3. I am not sure if they normaly do this or if they just did this for this game.[/quote]

    Actually they did something I’m not sure I’ve seen before. They wore “RED RAIDERS” on the back of their jerseys. (As usual, “TEXAS TECH” was on the front.) The only picture I could find is #22 in this series:

    http://www.texastech...

  • Ricko | December 4, 2009 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”365014″][quote comment=”365011″]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2503/4156815160_47c54d77b5_o.jpg

    Great picture of Rainbow helmet. Bolding’s site is a super site. I was looking around it the other day. SO much to read and see.[/quote]

    Who they playing? SO many possibilities, based on the uni. Michigan State? Utah? Even San Jose State or Cal, I think, cuz pants maybe could be yellow. Hard to say who might have scheduled Hawaii back then. Probably someone from West Coast. Seems like most, but not all, of Hawaii’s opponents were Coast teams in that era.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Well, duh, didn’t realize was in The Ticker. Michigan State.

    I’ll go back to work now
    (walks away, about muttering something about “glad it’s Friday”).

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | December 4, 2009 at 2:11 pm |

    I’d wear those blue and green unis:
    http://farm3.static....

  • JimV19 | December 4, 2009 at 2:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”365018″]I’d wear those blue and green unis:
    http://farm3.static....

    Same with these…but I’ll pass on the powder red ones:
    http://farm3.static....

  • JimV19 | December 4, 2009 at 2:15 pm |

    Not sure if I’d wear these:
    http://farm3.static....

  • Geeman | December 4, 2009 at 2:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”364986″][quote comment=”364983″]No logo, but truncated stripes:

    http://cdn.bleacherr...

    I can’t make this out:

    http://cache3.asset-...

    Champion:
    http://www.coachtres...

    Michigan in 95:
    http://menofthescarl...

    Elvis Grbac in 1991:
    http://www.thewolver...

    Miami 1990-1993?:
    http://www.miami-hur...

    Miami joined the Big east in October 1990, so there’s a three year span 91,92,93 that pic could be from.[/quote]

    I don’t mind black socks, but low white socks and black shoes just looked so darn good with those uniforms. That’s college ball.

  • b-t-p-h | December 4, 2009 at 2:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”364879″]Re logos on football unis, Russell Athletic logos almost certainly pre-date the swoosh. They were more subtle though. I’ll look for some pics….

    As did Champion. I think you’ll find their logos on the sleeve for quite a while. An interesting question might also be when the various companies moved their logo from the sleeve to the front.[/quote]
    Spanjian didn’t use logos on the actual jerseys, but did use these logo buttons in the 50s and 60s…
    http://img149.images...

  • b-t-p-h | December 4, 2009 at 2:26 pm |

    My favorite pinball machine:
    http://www.parrygame...

  • Mickel Yantz | December 4, 2009 at 2:33 pm |

    UO, Jets, now Jazz. It almost feels like March with all this green around here.

  • b-t-p-h | December 4, 2009 at 2:34 pm |

    NIKE logo and swoosh stripe, 1979 NASL Portland Timbers…

    http://www.nasljerse...

  • mike 2 | December 4, 2009 at 2:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”365013″]I remember playing the old baseball game with the ball coming in and you hit it. Hitting a HR over the wall was a blast.

    http://farm3.static....

    That game was AWESOME – you can see the little green rubber flap that hid when the ball was coming and the black groove worn in the game between the “mound” and home.

  • dudebrotherman | December 4, 2009 at 2:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”364977″][quote comment=”364975″]By the way, there was no way the Ducks were going to debut the carbon helmets last night. Oregon has been reluctant to let Nike make them black helmets (carbon is close to black) for years because they were afraid they’d look too much like Oregon State. Although Oregon has apparently relented this year, the last thing I expected them to do was to wear black/carbon helmets last night.[/quote]

    while i agree that wearing one of their arch-rivals colors in the civil war wasn’t likely to happen (although the carbon helmet doesn’t necessarily look black)…they HAVE had a black helmet since 2008 (debuted it in the arizona game)

    and they’ve had black (either in or on) their uniforms for several years

    the kids love the black, and i gotta admit, at least the ducks make ninja look good[/quote]

    Do you guys think that Oregon’s “new uni every week” will become the standard with more teams?

    Its gotta be a great recruiting tool, right?

  • Jason Shane | December 4, 2009 at 2:38 pm |

    Here’s what I believe is one track from the “How to Buy Meat” album: http://blogfiles.wfm...

  • MPowers1634 | December 4, 2009 at 2:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”365021″][quote comment=”364986″][quote comment=”364983″]No logo, but truncated stripes:

    http://cdn.bleacherr...

    I can’t make this out:

    http://cache3.asset-...

    Champion:
    http://www.coachtres...

    Michigan in 95:
    http://menofthescarl...

    Elvis Grbac in 1991:
    http://www.thewolver...

    Miami 1990-1993?:
    http://www.miami-hur...

    Miami joined the Big east in October 1990, so there’s a three year span 91,92,93 that pic could be from.[/quote]

    I don’t mind black socks, but low white socks and black shoes just looked so darn good with those uniforms. That’s college ball.[/quote]

    ABSOLUTELY NOT…White socks and black shoes is one of my biggest pet peeves.

  • mike 2 | December 4, 2009 at 2:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”365025″]NIKE logo and swoosh stripe, 1979 NASL Portland Timbers…

    http://www.nasljerse...

    I think Paul posted another one from the same series a week or two back, the 1982 Edmonton Drillers.

    What amazes me most about those jerseys is that in 2009 the swoosh is one of the most recognizable brands in the world, but not that long ago Nike felt it necessary to also use their name with it.

  • Teebz | December 4, 2009 at 3:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”365004″][quote comment=”364910″]maple leaf gardens must have been an AMAZING place to watch a game!!![/quote]
    I’ve heard some wonderful stories. My only visit there was for the “wake” of Harold Ballard (former owner)so I only saw the office area.[/quote]

    There is also a lot of bad that went on in MLG. The sexual abuse crimes that some high-ranking Leafs people committed is still a major black eye for the franchise. MLG will always represent that to some families.

    Don’t be fooled by the nostalgia. There are skeletons in MLG’s closets.

    But it still is one of the most historic buildings in the world. The Ali draft dodging fight is still legendary.

  • Bernard | December 4, 2009 at 3:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”365029″][quote comment=”365021″][quote comment=”364986″][quote comment=”364983″]No logo, but truncated stripes:

    http://cdn.bleacherr...

    I can’t make this out:

    http://cache3.asset-...

    Champion:
    http://www.coachtres...

    Michigan in 95:
    http://menofthescarl...

    Elvis Grbac in 1991:
    http://www.thewolver...

    Miami 1990-1993?:
    http://www.miami-hur...

    Miami joined the Big east in October 1990, so there’s a three year span 91,92,93 that pic could be from.[/quote]

    I don’t mind black socks, but low white socks and black shoes just looked so darn good with those uniforms. That’s college ball.[/quote]

    ABSOLUTELY NOT…White socks and black shoes is one of my biggest pet peeves.[/quote]

    Mr. Powers, someone would like a word with you:

    http://i.cdn.turner....

  • Squiddie | December 4, 2009 at 3:15 pm |

    This would be a great find if they had gotten Ricko’s name right.

    Read the blog entry about Japanese bromides here.

  • Ricko | December 4, 2009 at 3:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”365029″][quote comment=”365021″][quote comment=”364986″][quote comment=”364983″]No logo, but truncated stripes:

    http://cdn.bleacherr...

    I can’t make this out:

    http://cache3.asset-...

    Champion:
    http://www.coachtres...

    Michigan in 95:
    http://menofthescarl...

    Elvis Grbac in 1991:
    http://www.thewolver...

    Miami 1990-1993?:
    http://www.miami-hur...

    Miami joined the Big east in October 1990, so there’s a three year span 91,92,93 that pic could be from.[/quote]

    I don’t mind black socks, but low white socks and black shoes just looked so darn good with those uniforms. That’s college ball.[/quote]

    ABSOLUTELY NOT…White socks and black shoes is one of my biggest pet peeves.[/quote]

    Good thing you weren’t watching in the ’30s, ’40s, ’50’s, ’60s, ’70s, ’80s, ’90s…

    Cuz woulda really pissed you off that football teams/players had it so horribly, horribly wrong all those years. But, of course, now that black socks have been around for 10 years so so that changes everything forever.

    I mean, my god, didn’t Jim Brown and those guys realize how STUPID they looked!!!

    (Now where’d I put that photo of the ’57 Chrysler with the big ass FINS that were gonna become the new standard in auto design…)

    —Ricko

  • Geeman | December 4, 2009 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”365029″][quote comment=”365021″][quote comment=”364986″][quote comment=”364983″]No logo, but truncated stripes:

    http://cdn.bleacherr...

    I can’t make this out:

    http://cache3.asset-...

    Champion:
    http://www.coachtres...

    Michigan in 95:
    http://menofthescarl...

    Elvis Grbac in 1991:
    http://www.thewolver...

    Miami 1990-1993?:
    http://www.miami-hur...

    Miami joined the Big east in October 1990, so there’s a three year span 91,92,93 that pic could be from.[/quote]

    I don’t mind black socks, but low white socks and black shoes just looked so darn good with those uniforms. That’s college ball.[/quote]

    ABSOLUTELY NOT…White socks and black shoes is one of my biggest pet peeves.[/quote]

    Then you would have been peeved at football as it was played for most of its existence until five years ago or so.

  • Bernard | December 4, 2009 at 3:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”365029″][quote comment=”365021″][quote comment=”364986″][quote comment=”364983″]No logo, but truncated stripes:

    http://cdn.bleacherr...

    I can’t make this out:

    http://cache3.asset-...

    Champion:
    http://www.coachtres...

    Michigan in 95:
    http://menofthescarl...

    Elvis Grbac in 1991:
    http://www.thewolver...

    Miami 1990-1993?:
    http://www.miami-hur...

    Miami joined the Big east in October 1990, so there’s a three year span 91,92,93 that pic could be from.[/quote]

    I don’t mind black socks, but low white socks and black shoes just looked so darn good with those uniforms. That’s college ball.[/quote]

    ABSOLUTELY NOT…White socks and black shoes is one of my biggest pet peeves.[/quote]

    Someone would like a word with you, Mr. Powers:

    http://i.cdn.turner....

  • LI Phil | December 4, 2009 at 3:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”365029″]White socks and black shoes is one of my biggest pet peeves.[/quote]

    along with spelling, grammar, punctuation, proofreading, link posting…

  • Geeman | December 4, 2009 at 3:48 pm |

    In the old days the good spellers were the ones who wore black socks with their athletic shoes.

  • LarryB | December 4, 2009 at 4:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”365027″][quote comment=”364977″][quote comment=”364975″]By the way, there was no way the Ducks were going to debut the carbon helmets last night. Oregon has been reluctant to let Nike make them black helmets (carbon is close to black) for years because they were afraid they’d look too much like Oregon State. Although Oregon has apparently relented this year, the last thing I expected them to do was to wear black/carbon helmets last night.[/quote]

    while i agree that wearing one of their arch-rivals colors in the civil war wasn’t likely to happen (although the carbon helmet doesn’t necessarily look black)…they HAVE had a black helmet since 2008 (debuted it in the arizona game)

    and they’ve had black (either in or on) their uniforms for several years

    the kids love the black, and i gotta admit, at least the ducks make ninja look good[/quote]

    Do you guys think that Oregon’s “new uni every week” will become the standard with more teams?

    Its gotta be a great recruiting tool, right?[/quote]

    You know I thought sort of the same thing last night as I watched the game.Now I find myself wondering what Oregon will wear each week. And I now wonder what the Ducks will wear vs my team in the Rose Bowl. Ohio State.

    I doubt that will happen but I did think about it.
    And I for one like the Ducks combos. Only bad thing is how many colors they use that are not school colors.

  • LarryB | December 4, 2009 at 4:16 pm |

    squiddie, any updates to the Life archives? I was thinking about checking the other day. But you are the master at figuring out how to find them.

    I may look later.

  • Ken | December 4, 2009 at 4:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”365031″][quote comment=”365004″][quote comment=”364910″]maple leaf gardens must have been an AMAZING place to watch a game!!![/quote]
    I’ve heard some wonderful stories. My only visit there was for the “wake” of Harold Ballard (former owner)so I only saw the office area.[/quote]

    There is also a lot of bad that went on in MLG. The sexual abuse crimes that some high-ranking Leafs people committed is still a major black eye for the franchise. MLG will always represent that to some families.

    Don’t be fooled by the nostalgia. There are skeletons in MLG’s closets.

    But it still is one of the most historic buildings in the world. The Ali draft dodging fight is still legendary.[/quote]
    agrees… but most areans have some skeletons in them. If you go to the “Mausoleum” in Uniondale (LI) the place still stinks from when Milbury ran the team.

  • LarryB | December 4, 2009 at 4:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”365026″][quote comment=”365013″]I remember playing the old baseball game with the ball coming in and you hit it. Hitting a HR over the wall was a blast.

    http://farm3.static....

    That game was AWESOME – you can see the little green rubber flap that hid when the ball was coming and the black groove worn in the game between the “mound” and home.[/quote]

    Yep brought back some good memories for me.

  • Mike Engle | December 4, 2009 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”365041″][quote comment=”365031″][quote comment=”365004″][quote comment=”364910″]maple leaf gardens must have been an AMAZING place to watch a game!!![/quote]
    I’ve heard some wonderful stories. My only visit there was for the “wake” of Harold Ballard (former owner)so I only saw the office area.[/quote]

    There is also a lot of bad that went on in MLG. The sexual abuse crimes that some high-ranking Leafs people committed is still a major black eye for the franchise. MLG will always represent that to some families.

    Don’t be fooled by the nostalgia. There are skeletons in MLG’s closets.

    But it still is one of the most historic buildings in the world. The Ali draft dodging fight is still legendary.[/quote]
    agrees… but most areans have some skeletons in them. If you go to the “Mausoleum” in Uniondale (LI) the place still stinks from when Milbury ran the team.[/quote]
    Are we sure those aren’t the rotten fish sticks that are still in the freezer?

  • Aram | December 4, 2009 at 4:26 pm |

    The swoosh started appearing on Michigan’s uniforms when the Nike contract started in 1995. It was a rather substantial controversy at the time because, up to that point, Michigan never had any logo of any kind on their football uniforms, and being that Michigan Stadium is advertising-free, there were many who took issue with the swoosh. I don’t remember any schools having the swoosh on their unis until that season, though Penn State may have had it in ’94 when they went to the Rose Bowl.

  • Josh | December 4, 2009 at 4:30 pm |

    Newsday has an article on what Nike is doing to college uniforms

    http://www.newsday.c...

    “Traditional school colors, we were reminded during last weekend’s college football action, are quite apart from Nike’s true colors. By dressing LSU in white pants and a new shade of gold helmet, and draping Missouri in drab robot-worthy charcoal gray – both dramatic departures from custom and identity – the sportswear-and-equipment beast provided another glimpse into the dark shades of its voracious capitalistic heart. . . .”

    and so on . . .

  • Josh | December 4, 2009 at 4:31 pm |

    And that Newsday article quotes the venerable Mr. Lukas at length.

  • Teebz | December 4, 2009 at 4:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”365041″]
    agrees… but most areans have some skeletons in them. If you go to the “Mausoleum” in Uniondale (LI) the place still stinks from when Milbury ran the team.[/quote]

    There’s a major difference between mismanagement and heinous criminal activity.

    Unless you’re Enron. Or Citigroup. Or Bernie Madoff. Or…

  • mike 2 | December 4, 2009 at 4:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”365031″][quote comment=”365004″][quote comment=”364910″]maple leaf gardens must have been an AMAZING place to watch a game!!![/quote]
    I’ve heard some wonderful stories. My only visit there was for the “wake” of Harold Ballard (former owner)so I only saw the office area.[/quote]

    There is also a lot of bad that went on in MLG. The sexual abuse crimes that some high-ranking Leafs people committed is still a major black eye for the franchise. MLG will always represent that to some families.

    Don’t be fooled by the nostalgia. There are skeletons in MLG’s closets.

    But it still is one of the most historic buildings in the world. The Ali draft dodging fight is still legendary.[/quote]

    You’re right. And every time I go by the Gardens when I’m in Toronto I think of the victims.

    But on the other hand, just about everyone who committed a crime is dead or has gone to jail. There’s not a person left in Leafs ownership or management from that era. The team itself has gone through at least two ownership changes since then. The building itself didn’t abuse anyone.

    At some point what happened in the past has to be relegated to the past.

  • Geeman | December 4, 2009 at 4:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”365045″]Newsday has an article on what Nike is doing to college uniforms

    http://www.newsday.c...

    “Traditional school colors, we were reminded during last weekend’s college football action, are quite apart from Nike’s true colors. By dressing LSU in white pants and a new shade of gold helmet, and draping Missouri in drab robot-worthy charcoal gray – both dramatic departures from custom and identity – the sportswear-and-equipment beast provided another glimpse into the dark shades of its voracious capitalistic heart. . . .”

    and so on . . .[/quote]

    Great stuff!

  • LI Phil | December 4, 2009 at 4:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”365047″][quote comment=”365041″]
    agrees… but most areans have some skeletons in them. If you go to the “Mausoleum” in Uniondale (LI) the place still stinks from when Milbury ran the team.[/quote]

    There’s a major difference between mismanagement and heinous criminal activity.

    Unless you’re Enron. Or Citigroup. Or Bernie Madoff. Or…[/quote]

    or…john spano

  • Bob Loblaw | December 4, 2009 at 4:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”365047″][quote comment=”365041″]
    agrees… but most areans have some skeletons in them. If you go to the “Mausoleum” in Uniondale (LI) the place still stinks from when Milbury ran the team.[/quote]

    There’s a major difference between mismanagement and heinous criminal activity.

    Unless you’re Enron. Or Citigroup. Or Bernie Madoff. Or…[/quote]
    Not to downplay this Teebz, but you make it sound like Dr. Evil used the MLG as his hideout.

  • Teebz | December 4, 2009 at 5:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”365051″][quote comment=”365047″][quote comment=”365041″]
    agrees… but most areans have some skeletons in them. If you go to the “Mausoleum” in Uniondale (LI) the place still stinks from when Milbury ran the team.[/quote]

    There’s a major difference between mismanagement and heinous criminal activity.

    Unless you’re Enron. Or Citigroup. Or Bernie Madoff. Or…[/quote]
    Not to downplay this Teebz, but you make it sound like Dr. Evil used the MLG as his hideout.[/quote]

    Considering that it went on for nearly two decades, I’d say there was a long string of evil that went on there.

    Victims came forward as little as two years ago after Martin Kruze was released from prison.

    All I’m saying is that there was a lot of evil that worked in that building. From Stafford Smythe to Martin Kruze, corruption, deceit, and serious crimes ran wild for nearly 20 years. It’s not as hallowed as we make it out to be.

  • M.Princip | December 4, 2009 at 5:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”365039″][quote comment=”365027″][quote comment=”364977″][quote comment=”364975″]By the way, there was no way the Ducks were going to debut the carbon helmets last night. Oregon has been reluctant to let Nike make them black helmets (carbon is close to black) for years because they were afraid they’d look too much like Oregon State. Although Oregon has apparently relented this year, the last thing I expected them to do was to wear black/carbon helmets last night.[/quote]

    while i agree that wearing one of their arch-rivals colors in the civil war wasn’t likely to happen (although the carbon helmet doesn’t necessarily look black)…they HAVE had a black helmet since 2008 (debuted it in the arizona game)

    and they’ve had black (either in or on) their uniforms for several years

    the kids love the black, and i gotta admit, at least the ducks make ninja look good[/quote]

    Do you guys think that Oregon’s “new uni every week” will become the standard with more teams?

    Its gotta be a great recruiting tool, right?[/quote]

    You know I thought sort of the same thing last night as I watched the game.Now I find myself wondering what Oregon will wear each week. And I now wonder what the Ducks will wear vs my team in the Rose Bowl. Ohio State.

    I doubt that will happen but I did think about it.
    And I for one like the Ducks combos. Only bad thing is how many colors they use that are not school colors.[/quote]

    Technically speaking, yes it’s true about the school colors. However, I love how Oregon used the white helmets, along with the matte black and gray(pants/helmets). Hearkens back to the old school football uniforms; i.e. 1930s thru 40s. At least that’s what it reminds me of, with a spectacular modern twist.

  • Teebz | December 4, 2009 at 5:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”365048″]
    At some point what happened in the past has to be relegated to the past.[/quote]

    Do we tell Jewish people to let the Holocaust go?

    Victims still feel the pain.

    I know what you’re saying, Mike, but this is one blemish that won’t fade from the public eye for a while. At least not my eyes.

  • LarryB | December 4, 2009 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”365053″][quote comment=”365039″][quote comment=”365027″][quote comment=”364977″][quote comment=”364975″]By the way, there was no way the Ducks were going to debut the carbon helmets last night. Oregon has been reluctant to let Nike make them black helmets (carbon is close to black) for years because they were afraid they’d look too much like Oregon State. Although Oregon has apparently relented this year, the last thing I expected them to do was to wear black/carbon helmets last night.[/quote]

    while i agree that wearing one of their arch-rivals colors in the civil war wasn’t likely to happen (although the carbon helmet doesn’t necessarily look black)…they HAVE had a black helmet since 2008 (debuted it in the arizona game)

    and they’ve had black (either in or on) their uniforms for several years

    the kids love the black, and i gotta admit, at least the ducks make ninja look good[/quote]

    Do you guys think that Oregon’s “new uni every week” will become the standard with more teams?

    Its gotta be a great recruiting tool, right?[/quote]

    You know I thought sort of the same thing last night as I watched the game.Now I find myself wondering what Oregon will wear each week. And I now wonder what the Ducks will wear vs my team in the Rose Bowl. Ohio State.

    I doubt that will happen but I did think about it.
    And I for one like the Ducks combos. Only bad thing is how many colors they use that are not school colors.[/quote]

    Technically speaking, yes it’s true about the school colors. However, I love how Oregon used the white helmets, along with the matte black and gray(pants/helmets). Hearkens back to the old school football uniforms; i.e. 1930s thru 40s. At least that’s what it reminds me of, with a spectacular modern twist.[/quote]

    I agree with you and glad you are on here to keep us informed about Oregon uniforms. At some point I will post or send in screen shots of the Ohio State vs Oregon 1957-58 Rose Bowl.In color. I have the actual NBC b&w broadcast of that game with commercials. Even though some film was missing. And I have the game in narrated color too.

  • M.Princip | December 4, 2009 at 5:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”365055″][quote comment=”365053″][quote comment=”365039″][quote comment=”365027″][quote comment=”364977″][quote comment=”364975″]By the way, there was no way the Ducks were going to debut the carbon helmets last night. Oregon has been reluctant to let Nike make them black helmets (carbon is close to black) for years because they were afraid they’d look too much like Oregon State. Although Oregon has apparently relented this year, the last thing I expected them to do was to wear black/carbon helmets last night.[/quote]

    while i agree that wearing one of their arch-rivals colors in the civil war wasn’t likely to happen (although the carbon helmet doesn’t necessarily look black)…they HAVE had a black helmet since 2008 (debuted it in the arizona game)

    and they’ve had black (either in or on) their uniforms for several years

    the kids love the black, and i gotta admit, at least the ducks make ninja look good[/quote]

    Do you guys think that Oregon’s “new uni every week” will become the standard with more teams?

    Its gotta be a great recruiting tool, right?[/quote]

    You know I thought sort of the same thing last night as I watched the game.Now I find myself wondering what Oregon will wear each week. And I now wonder what the Ducks will wear vs my team in the Rose Bowl. Ohio State.

    I doubt that will happen but I did think about it.
    And I for one like the Ducks combos. Only bad thing is how many colors they use that are not school colors.[/quote]

    Technically speaking, yes it’s true about the school colors. However, I love how Oregon used the white helmets, along with the matte black and gray(pants/helmets). Hearkens back to the old school football uniforms; i.e. 1930s thru 40s. At least that’s what it reminds me of, with a spectacular modern twist.[/quote]

    I agree with you and glad you are on here to keep us informed about Oregon uniforms. At some point I will post or send in screen shots of the Ohio State vs Oregon 1957-58 Rose Bowl.In color. I have the actual NBC b&w broadcast of that game with commercials. Even though some film was missing. And I have the game in narrated color too.[/quote]

    I look forward to seeing those 1957-58 Rose Bowl photos Larry. You do great work with those vintage pics. Hopefully, we can see some video clips as well, soon. I would imagine this month it would be something a lot of people would love to see.

  • Mike Engle | December 4, 2009 at 5:28 pm |

    Dear Mssrs. Ekdahl and Lukas:
    Can we have a “post tag” for “Culinary Corner” so we can flip through the culinary tips, tricks, and recipes? You know, just in case we run out of archived cricket posts to read. Thanks.
    PS: How many ounces in a “can” of sweetened condensed milk? 12?

  • LI Phil | December 4, 2009 at 5:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”365057″]PS: How many ounces in a “can” of sweetened condensed milk? 12?[/quote]

    they usually come in 14 oz. cans, or, 380g (which is about 13.4 oz)…i’d assume either one would work for paul’s recipe

  • A-Dub | December 4, 2009 at 6:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”364998″]Here is the ball for the 2010 FIFA World Cup from Adidas.
    http://www.fifa.com/...

    Funny thing with that is, I’m an equpment manager at one of the local high schools and our soccer teams use the replica match ball that’s nfhs approved from addias, I had that ball 4 weeks ago and the box had a bright orange sticker that said “do not retail until 12/5/09” I guess that was a big ooops from our vendor.

  • mike 2 | December 4, 2009 at 6:12 pm |

    [quote comment=”365054″][quote comment=”365048″]
    At some point what happened in the past has to be relegated to the past.[/quote]

    Do we tell Jewish people to let the Holocaust go?

    Victims still feel the pain.

    I know what you’re saying, Mike, but this is one blemish that won’t fade from the public eye for a while. At least not my eyes.[/quote]

    Victims still feel the pain, but being angry at a building or the current owners of MLG is misplaced. Be angry at the people who committed the crimes and the people who wilfully turned a blind eye. If there’s justice, they’re all roasting in hell right now. But the building didn’t commit any crimes.

  • Greg B. | December 4, 2009 at 6:24 pm |

    Paul, I actually did the Bailey’s-on-cereal thing once. Poured it over my granola at 8:30AM. Was back asleep at 9:30AM.

    That image of the chef next to that part of the blog used to be on at least half the ads for pizza places in the yellow pages around here up to a few years ago. Anyone know the source? It would seem to date from the 1940s if not earlier. Hope the artist got some royalties.

    Teebz, no fair posting a link to a page about bad stuff that has a pic of the gorgeous Anne Mroczkowski on it.

  • LarryB | December 4, 2009 at 6:50 pm |

    M.Princip ,

    Thanks pal.

  • ChoCho McGoo | December 4, 2009 at 7:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”364946″]The vectors were too light on the unis and a heatseal patch was attempted…stetch twill numbers and letters are sewn on…[/quote]

    Joey Skibs, why don’t they embroider the logos on?

  • Teebz | December 4, 2009 at 7:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”365060″][quote comment=”365054″][quote comment=”365048″]
    At some point what happened in the past has to be relegated to the past.[/quote]

    Do we tell Jewish people to let the Holocaust go?

    Victims still feel the pain.

    I know what you’re saying, Mike, but this is one blemish that won’t fade from the public eye for a while. At least not my eyes.[/quote]

    Victims still feel the pain, but being angry at a building or the current owners of MLG is misplaced. Be angry at the people who committed the crimes and the people who wilfully turned a blind eye. If there’s justice, they’re all roasting in hell right now. But the building didn’t commit any crimes.[/quote]

    I’m not angry whatsoever. I’m simply pointing out that the building is not as hallowed as everyone makes it out to be.

  • MPowers1634 | December 4, 2009 at 7:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”365035″][quote comment=”365029″][quote comment=”365021″][quote comment=”364986″][quote comment=”364983″]No logo, but truncated stripes:

    http://cdn.bleacherr...

    I can’t make this out:

    http://cache3.asset-...

    Champion:
    http://www.coachtres...

    Michigan in 95:
    http://menofthescarl...

    Elvis Grbac in 1991:
    http://www.thewolver...

    Miami 1990-1993?:
    http://www.miami-hur...

    Miami joined the Big east in October 1990, so there’s a three year span 91,92,93 that pic could be from.[/quote]

    I don’t mind black socks, but low white socks and black shoes just looked so darn good with those uniforms. That’s college ball.[/quote]

    ABSOLUTELY NOT…White socks and black shoes is one of my biggest pet peeves.[/quote]

    Then you would have been peeved at football as it was played for most of its existence until five years ago or so.[/quote]

    The first athletes to regularly wear black socks with unis were these guys…my patron saints of sports uniform wearers:

    http://reason.com/as...

  • Dane | December 4, 2009 at 7:43 pm |

    NUMBER RETIREMENT NEWS

    During the Montreal Canadiens 100th anniversary ceremony this evening, the team retired the numbers 3 for Emile Bouchard and 16 for Elmer Lach, the two oldest living alumni of the organization. (Number 16 had previously been retired for Henri Richard.)

    As part of the retirement ceremony, current Canadiens defensemen Ryan O’Byrne removed his #3 jersey to reveal his new #20 underneath.

  • JimV19 | December 4, 2009 at 7:56 pm |

    MPowers1634 said:
    The first athletes to regularly wear black socks with unis were these guys…my patron saints of sports uniform wearers:

    http://www.cnnsi.com

    Maize socks would have been better.

    As a kid, I was always told to wear white socks for play, because the black ones would stink more. To this day that’s what I think when I see these guys.

  • JimV19 | December 4, 2009 at 7:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”365068″]Maize socks would have been better.

    As a kid, I was always told to wear white socks for play, because the black ones would stink more. To this day that’s what I think when I see these guys.[/quote]

    Let’s try that photo again: http://sportsillustr...

  • War Eagle Jeffrey | December 4, 2009 at 8:22 pm |

    do any of you guys remember that t-shirt site that paul put on here once…novel-t’s or something like that. they combined literary figures and sports on t-shirts.

    e.g., letter “a” on front of shirt with “prynne” nob. also there was one with “poe” nob.

    i’ve not been able to locate it via search on here or google.

    tia…

  • LI Phil | December 4, 2009 at 8:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”365070″]do any of you guys remember that t-shirt site that paul put on here once…novel-t’s or something like that. they combined literary figures and sports on t-shirts.

    e.g., letter “a” on front of shirt with “prynne” nob. also there was one with “poe” nob.

    i’ve not been able to locate it via search on here or google.

    tia…[/quote]

    i do remember it, but i can’t locate it on Uni Watch either…

    but here

    pretty sure that was it

  • Nick | December 4, 2009 at 8:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”364884″]LOVE that Hawai’i photo.

    That’s just awesome, and finds like that are truly what makes this site ultra-special.[/quote]

    Beautiful mountains in the background … Nice unis especially for the times …

    Helmet logo! Makes me wonder what year and hich team first wore a helmet logo?

    If I know my UH history right, I think the home stadium was a mostly wooden structure and in it’s later years became referred to as the “Termite Palace” by the UH faithful.

  • LI Phil | December 4, 2009 at 8:38 pm |

    ok…im pretty sure this was the actual link paul posted

    click on “shirts” ini the gallery and they’re all there

  • War Eagle Jeffrey | December 4, 2009 at 8:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”365071″][quote comment=”365070″]do any of you guys remember that t-shirt site that paul put on here once…novel-t’s or something like that. they combined literary figures and sports on t-shirts.

    e.g., letter “a” on front of shirt with “prynne” nob. also there was one with “poe” nob.

    i’ve not been able to locate it via search on here or google.

    tia…[/quote]

    i do remember it, but i can’t locate it on Uni Watch either…

    but here

    pretty sure that was it[/quote]

    thanks phil…that’s it indeed.

  • LI Phil | December 4, 2009 at 8:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”365074″][quote comment=”365071″][quote comment=”365070″]do any of you guys remember that t-shirt site that paul put on here once…novel-t’s or something like that. they combined literary figures and sports on t-shirts.

    e.g., letter “a” on front of shirt with “prynne” nob. also there was one with “poe” nob.

    i’ve not been able to locate it via search on here or google.

    tia…[/quote]

    i do remember it, but i can’t locate it on Uni Watch either…

    but here

    pretty sure that was it[/quote]

    thanks phil…that’s it indeed.[/quote]

    jeff see the above post — THAT’s the one you want

  • Wes Kendall | December 4, 2009 at 8:45 pm |

    off topic q: Has anyone ever seen a photo of the Tigers wearing this hat in 1935? http://thm-a04.yimg....

  • Taxman | December 4, 2009 at 8:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”364970″]Hope I don’t sound too much like a geezer but here goes: The first concert I attended was the Who in 1969 at Merriwether Post Pavillion. It was in the spring and they played the entire Tommy album, which had just been released. They were not all that well-known yet, but that would change with Woodstock and the movie of the same name. Two years later when they played there,the fans stormed the gate and tore down the fences, resulting in a suspension of concerts there for some years. Lest I forget, their warmup group in ’69 was a real unknown at the time: Led Zeppelin.

    Thanks for the indulgence; I now return you to this century.[/quote]
    Yes – the old The Who and Led Zeppelin at Merriweather concert. I believe you were there Leon, but this story gets a lot of play around my part of MD. I was a mere lad of 10 in 1969, but I saw many a good show at MPP in the 70’s. Anndwhen we didn’t have a ticket we would hang outside the fence partying in the woods.

  • mike 2 | December 4, 2009 at 9:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”365071″][quote comment=”365070″]do any of you guys remember that t-shirt site that paul put on here once…novel-t’s or something like that. they combined literary figures and sports on t-shirts.

    e.g., letter “a” on front of shirt with “prynne” nob. also there was one with “poe” nob.

    i’ve not been able to locate it via search on here or google.

    tia…[/quote]

    i do remember it, but i can’t locate it on Uni Watch either…

    but here

    pretty sure that was it[/quote]

    I hate to be “that guy”, but shouldn’t the A be scarlet?

  • Nick | December 4, 2009 at 9:04 pm |

    I just hope that Oregon has the good sense to wear colors that CONTRAST with the Ohio State unis in the Rose Bowl.

    That probably means that they won’t wear the Carbon helmet/Gray Pants/White jersey with Carbon numerals look (Raiders 1970)that I have been wanting to seen – and it shouldn’t as it is too close to OSU’s uni.

    If you can avoid it, Bowl Games should NOT look like intrasquad games, particularly when the two schools actual colors are in no way similar.

  • leon | December 4, 2009 at 9:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”365077″][quote comment=”364970″]Hope I don’t sound too much like a geezer but here goes: The first concert I attended was the Who in 1969 at Merriwether Post Pavillion. It was in the spring and they played the entire Tommy album, which had just been released. They were not all that well-known yet, but that would change with Woodstock and the movie of the same name. Two years later when they played there,the fans stormed the gate and tore down the fences, resulting in a suspension of concerts there for some years. Lest I forget, their warmup group in ’69 was a real unknown at the time: Led Zeppelin.

    Thanks for the indulgence; I now return you to this century.[/quote]
    Yes – the old The Who and Led Zeppelin at Merriweather concert. I believe you were there Leon, but this story gets a lot of play around my part of MD. I was a mere lad of 10 in 1969, but I saw many a good show at MPP in the 70’s. Anndwhen we didn’t have a ticket we would hang outside the fence partying in the woods.[/quote]
    Thanks for believing I was there.

  • aflfan | December 4, 2009 at 9:47 pm |

    The Central Michigan/Ohio matchup isn’t bad. I have always had a soft spot for Central.

  • War Eagle Jeffrey | December 4, 2009 at 9:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”365078″][quote comment=”365071″][quote comment=”365070″]do any of you guys remember that t-shirt site that paul put on here once…novel-t’s or something like that. they combined literary figures and sports on t-shirts.

    e.g., letter “a” on front of shirt with “prynne” nob. also there was one with “poe” nob.

    i’ve not been able to locate it via search on here or google.

    tia…[/quote]

    i do remember it, but i can’t locate it on Uni Watch either…

    but here

    pretty sure that was it[/quote]

    I hate to be “that guy”, but shouldn’t the A be scarlet?[/quote]

    no doubt it should…

    of all of them i like thoreau the most.

  • Taxman | December 4, 2009 at 9:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”365081″]The Central Michigan/Ohio matchup isn’t bad. I have always had a soft spot for Central.[/quote]
    To stir up a silly argument from a week back or so – real live Bobcats are not green and white.

    As for the Chippewas – what is the status of that nickname and why is it or isn’t it offensive to Native Americans?

  • LI Phil | December 4, 2009 at 10:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”365080″][quote comment=”365077″][quote comment=”364970″]Hope I don’t sound too much like a geezer but here goes: The first concert I attended was the Who in 1969 at Merriwether Post Pavillion. It was in the spring and they played the entire Tommy album, which had just been released. They were not all that well-known yet, but that would change with Woodstock and the movie of the same name. Two years later when they played there,the fans stormed the gate and tore down the fences, resulting in a suspension of concerts there for some years. Lest I forget, their warmup group in ’69 was a real unknown at the time: Led Zeppelin.

    Thanks for the indulgence; I now return you to this century.[/quote]
    Yes – the old The Who and Led Zeppelin at Merriweather concert. I believe you were there Leon, but this story gets a lot of play around my part of MD. I was a mere lad of 10 in 1969, but I saw many a good show at MPP in the 70’s. Anndwhen we didn’t have a ticket we would hang outside the fence partying in the woods.[/quote]
    Thanks for believing I was there.[/quote]

    did you wear a who t-shirt to the show?

  • MPowers1634 | December 4, 2009 at 10:12 pm |

    Detailed images of the upcoming Air Jordan 2k10:

    http://sneakernews.c...

  • JTH | December 4, 2009 at 10:35 pm |

    Homemade irish cream is indeed spectacular. My next-door neighbors make it every year for their Christmas party

    I love these light-colored stirrups over the dark sanis.

    OK, time to read the ticker…

  • aflfan | December 4, 2009 at 10:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”365083″][quote comment=”365081″]The Central Michigan/Ohio matchup isn’t bad. I have always had a soft spot for Central.[/quote]
    To stir up a silly argument from a week back or so – real live Bobcats are not green and white.

    As for the Chippewas – what is the status of that nickname and why is it or isn’t it offensive to Native Americans?[/quote]

    Here is a link to the history of the Chippewas. I did not know the started out as the Dragons.

    http://www.cmuchippe...

  • LI Phil | December 4, 2009 at 11:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”365076″]off topic q: Has anyone ever seen a photo of the Tigers wearing this hat in 1935? http://thm-a04.yimg....

    according to okkonen, they wore some kind of alternate cap that season — don’t know if it’s quite what’s being displayed in that image

    im under the impression the cap looked something more like this

    however, a fairly cursory google search fails to turn up any photographic evidence of this cap, but i didn’t look THAT deep

    the tiggers won the world series that year, so there does seem to be a fairly large amount of photos taken of that team…i just couldn’t find one in a quick search with them donning that lid

  • The Hemogoblin | December 5, 2009 at 12:00 am |

    [quote comment=”365067″]NUMBER RETIREMENT NEWS

    During the Montreal Canadiens 100th anniversary ceremony this evening, the team retired the numbers 3 for Emile Bouchard and 16 for Elmer Lach, the two oldest living alumni of the organization. (Number 16 had previously been retired for Henri Richard.)

    As part of the retirement ceremony, current Canadiens defensemen Ryan O’Byrne removed his #3 jersey to reveal his new #20 underneath.[/quote]

    They’re just retiring numbers because they can at this point. I think their goal as an organization is to have every single player wearing Guillaume LaTendresse’s 84 by the end of the next decade. All of them.

  • Moses | December 5, 2009 at 6:26 am |

    If your in the bay area and you are looking for something similar to the Silverball Mueseum you should check out Lucky JuJu (http://www.ujuju.com...), I havent been there in a while but if i recall correctly all the machines work and its a pretty cool experience

  • Bob Loblaw | December 5, 2009 at 1:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”365052″][quote comment=”365051″][quote comment=”365047″][quote comment=”365041″]
    agrees… but most areans have some skeletons in them. If you go to the “Mausoleum” in Uniondale (LI) the place still stinks from when Milbury ran the team.[/quote]

    There’s a major difference between mismanagement and heinous criminal activity.

    Unless you’re Enron. Or Citigroup. Or Bernie Madoff. Or…[/quote]
    Not to downplay this Teebz, but you make it sound like Dr. Evil used the MLG as his hideout.[/quote]

    Considering that it went on for nearly two decades, I’d say there was a long string of evil that went on there.

    Victims came forward as little as two years ago after Martin Kruze was released from prison.

    All I’m saying is that there was a lot of evil that worked in that building. From Stafford Smythe to Martin Kruze, corruption, deceit, and serious crimes ran wild for nearly 20 years. It’s not as hallowed as we make it out to be.[/quote]
    wow, sickening is all i can say. That’s me put into my place. thanks, teebz.

  • nididakes | December 5, 2009 at 4:46 pm |

    considering the volume of words on this site devoted to (justifiably, in my opinion) vomiting all over oregon’s mix-n-match unis, i’m surprised paul didn’t pull out more enthusiasm in praising how good the ducks looked thursday night. that’s how oregon should look every home game, i say — i’ve been asking for the yellow helmets for months. and it proves how you can have a modernized logo without turning the jerseys into a cartoon. cheers to oregon for getting it right, but shame on paul for not giving fair props when they’re due