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What if…they changed the “classics”?

brownie nu skool

By Phil Hecken

As I’m sure you’ve noticed in the past few weeks, it has been remarked that there are a few of the real “old school” teams out there, some which we could never envision undergoing a “transformation” into a modern uniform. Of the teams who’ve undergone uniform ‘revisions’ of a significant nature in the past decade or so, some have gone from “classic” to “innovative” (wait, what?), while others have gone from semi-modern and thrownback to an older uniform style, while still others have almost moved almost laterally when they changed uniforms. Teams like the Giants, 49ers, and Jets have become more traditional, teams like the Cardinals, Falcons and Vikings have clearly moved into the “innovative” camp, while teams like the Lions, Patriots and Chargers have moved somewhat laterally. Clearly, the state of uniform design is in flux.

But what about the “real classic looking” teams (you know, teams that haven’t drastically changed their uniform look in a hundred years — the Bears, Browns, Packers, Colts, Chiefs, Raiders or Steelers) — what if they were to “change” or move into the “innovative camp”? Would we resist the change and hate it? You know, “change for change sake”? Or could one of them pull it off? I don’t know. But I would love to see what might happen. I’m not saying I would embrace such a change, but I would love to see what they might come up with.

In my trolling the Interwebs over the past several years, I found two mock-ups of what a new Browns uniform might look like, were it “modernized”: Exhibit A and Exhibit B. Clearly, the first example reminds us of the Broncos/Vikings/Panthers, while Exhibit B moves a bit more into the Falcons/Cardinals camp. Is either one that horrible? I’d say no. But do the Browns really need to “modernize” their uniform at all (other than ditching the brown pants)? Good question.

I’m trying to visualize teams like the Pack, Bears or Raiders in “something new.” Would such a change spell the end of civilization as we know it? Or would we merely begin to accept (if not agree with) it as we have with the Broncos? Should a team that really appears to have hit rock bottom like the Raiders think about mixing it up a little? And if we were to pick one of the “classics” to rework, who might the candidate be? Why?

Maybe thinking outside the box isn’t such a bad thing. After all, while there is no reason to “change for change sake” (CFCS), is there anyone who wouldn’t at least like to see one of the old school teams in nu skool digs — even if we were to summarily dismiss it?

We’ve seen several readers’ suggestions for uniform tweaks in the NFL, and Ricko & I have posted several of ours as well — although mine were more about returning the nu skool teams (see the second section) to and old school look (and Ricko did a superb job with his comp sleeve idea, we’ve never gone the other way — namely — giving a traditionally attired team a new look.

The “new look” doesn’t need to be drastic. For example, what if we simply gave the Steelers white pants instead of gold (and at the same time, pair their throwbacks with gold pants)? I’m sure die hard Steeler fans wouldn’t want to even think about it — well, maybe they wouldn’t embrace it, but it could give them pause. I think that might actually work for the Steelers, but pulling the same white pants treatment on the Packers probably fails.

A more radical concept, probably more suited to a “4th jersey” or “second alternate” might entail creating a uniform or jersey akin to the 1994 75th Anniversary uniforms worn by the Steelers and Bears — or would that look too much like the CFL’s Mad Dogs or Barracudas? Ricko came up with this Packer alternate as an example. Or what about the Brown’s using their elf mascot, Brownie? Remember, the suggestions in this section are merely for a once-a-year alternate, not a full-time revision.

Another possibility for an “alternate” for the classic old-school teams might be to introduce a third jersey which isn’t necessarily “nu skool,” but which isn’t exactly old school either. Ricko thought one way for the Steelers or Packers to “mix it up” a little would be to introduce a brand new jersey that combines elements from the past, but (if his “comp sleeves” solution doesn’t pan out), addresses the current state of jersey construction. When you have little or no “sleeve” on which to put your classic stripes, maybe you remove them and replace them with a yoke and a logo. Of course, just for “fun,” Rick couldn’t resist having some fun with the Colts classic. Ok — that’s probably a little much, but why not throw it out there?

But what if the teams were to go the Browns route (as seen above?). I personally love the Browns current look (sans the brown pants, of course), but I don’t totally hate the second Browns concepts (although, I think 9 combinations is a bit much). Is a team currently as bad as the Browns currently are perhaps looking for a new direction? What about say, the Raiders? Sure, they haven’t changed much since 1963, but what if they were to go down the “modern” route? Would the world suddenly spin off it’s axis? (Maybe it would). How bad could it be if the Giants added some bumperstickers? Or Da Bears. How about The Pack? Really?

What do you guys think? Should any of the current “traditional” teams try something new? And if so, what might you suggest? Lets see what you got (and all you graphic artists out there — how about giving a “modern twist on a classic” a shot). The rest of you, love to hear what you think.

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pond hockeyUNI WATCH WINTER CLASSIC ADVISORY!!!

This is a “repeat” from yesterday, so if you read this then, just skip to the next section. If you didn’t see this, please check it out and give it some serious consideration! Should be a really fun event (and hopefully, if all falls into place, Paul and I will be there too)…think of it as a Uni Watch Gathering on steroids. I’ll let Rick describe it:

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Even as we speak, Teebz (he of Winnipeg and “Hockey Blog In Canada”) and I (Ricko) are beginning plans for the first Uni Watch Winter Classic, a gathering here in the Twin Cities in January.

Paul may attend. He’s discussing covering Pond Hockey and other things with ESPN. I’m helping him with a list of “story possibilities,” including an interview with Ray Crump, who purportedly fashioned the first flapped batting helmet, for Earl Battey of the Twins (Crump owns a souvenir shop/baseball museum kitty corner from the Metrodome). Perhaps the Vintage Minnesota Hockey Jerseys folks? Maybe some curling?

· We’re talking January 22-23-24, 2009 to be precise, during which not one, but TWO Pond Hockey Championships are scheduled.
· U.S. Pond Hockey Championships on Lake Nokomis near Mall of America.
· North American Pond Hockey Championships on Lake Minnetonka, in a far western suburb.
· Saturday the 23rd is “Hockey Day in Minnesota”

Also possible…

· Minnesota Wild versus Detroit Red Wings, Thursday the 21st at St. Paul’s Xcel Energy Center. Wild is a tough ticket.
· Minnesota Timberwolves versus New Orleans Hornets (not, unfortunately, in their Mardi Gras unis), Friday the 22nd at Minneapolis Target Center. Special on tickets, $20, including some kind of vintage t-shirt.
· Wild versus Columbus Blue Jackets, Saturday the 23rd at the “X” with “Hockey Day in Minnesota” patch giveaway. Not as tough as Thursday’s Red Wings game, but still tough.
· Possibility of NFC Championship at Metrodome that weekend (said “possibility,” lol). Tickets pretty much impossible but we could tailgate.

Teebz can’t get any info on hotel group rates until we have some idea of how many rooms we’ll need. The best bet now is that we’ll focus on the Lake Nokomis Tournament. It’s older, has more rinks and teams, and is a bit more whimsical, perhaps. Plenty of places to eat in the neighborhood, including a pair of “joints” that claim the Juicy Lucy as their signature entree and another with fabulous pizza.

Lodgings would then likely be in the area of the airport./Mall of America. That means easy light rail connections to the airport, the mall and downtown (Target Center for ‘Wolves and Metrodome).

When the time comes, either Teebz and I can handle rooms and tickets through our PayPal accounts.

So far we have half dozen or so locals committed, plus Teebz and rpm (Robert Marshall) from out-of-town, and Phil is working on ways to leverage some of his inheritance early so that he can swing it, too.

For now, we’d like some feel for who would be interested. Any more form Chicago? Wisconsin? Hey, it’s Teebz, Grand Poobah of the UW Hockey Wing, and with any luck, the creative Mr. Marshall, Phil, and maybe even our Fearless Leader/Founder.

Some links:
Lake Nokomis
Lake Minnetonka
Vintage Minnesota Hockey
Curling
Crump’s. Baseball Museum
Elsie’s, voted Twin Cities best bowling (near downtown)…

So post if you’re interested… email me and I or Teebz will be in touch.

Looking forward to meeting as many of you as possible,

–Ricko

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nfl uni tweaksGot several more NFL uniform tweaks/reworks/concepts to share with you this fine day, so let’s get right to it. Up first is John Follett, who actually held his own uni design contests for his board, and who is gracious enough so share some of these with us today. John actually sent concepts for several different sports, but for today, we’re just going to check out the NFL:

Lovin all the recent articles featuring subscriber submitted uniform tweaks/massive upgrades of professional sports teams. I have been a follower of the site for a long time and earlier in the year, I started an on-going project at a sports forum, where we set out to re-invigorate some of the more non-interesting and lame looks out there. Each week I would post a team and a small group of us would get to work on redesigning everything from the team’s logo to full uniform sets. I left the stipulations of the contest wide open and ordered that only 1 rule was to be followed throughout: create something better than what is already in place. In what was dubbed the “Design the Diggs” competition, I now present to you some of the good, the bad, and the ugly results of our short-lived project.

Week 2 switched gears towards the NFL where we hunted down a classic, but yet extremely boring look. After about 5 minutes of deliberation, our group concluded that what the Cleveland Browns have been wearing for so long just isn’t cutting it anymore. We found that re-designing the Cleveland Browns wasn’t as easy as initially planned. Most struggled to invent a new logo, (some tried: here, here and here), and it was a major consensus that the bulldog face should be adopted as the primary logo. New uniform designs didn’t result in much but we did try: here, here, and here.

Things didn’t get easier as the Washington Redskins were up next. Some entries continued to break the golden rule of create something better. Others went outside the box and actually came up with some pretty interesting designs, as seen here, here, here, and here.

Sadly our little contest ended in week 9 with the oblong task of re-designing the New Orleans Saints. More failure to get original but some nice touch ups resulted in this. In the end, the Saints managed to kill our contest and the creative flow inside all our brains…well…stopped flowing. In any event, it was fun while it lasted and I do believe that we accomplished our mission of creating some better looks than those that are already being used by said teams.

My love for everything Uni Watch stands for and the ongoing fascination for uniforms, colors, numbering styles, and logos is what inspired this contest…so it only makes sense that this is shared with the rest of the community. Thanks for the read, thanks for everything Uni Watch is, I look forward to reading on.

Up next is Denver Gregg, from whom we have already heard in an earlier edition of “tweaks,” with his Denver Broncos mocks. He’s back again for more, with some new teams:

I’ve got a few new ideas for some NFL re-designs. Hoping the ideas can get past my bad MS-Paint skills.

I loved the (inaccurate) Oiler throwbacks, so I came up with two Titan concepts (here’s the helmet) based on the throwback, each with a different element from the current set (with a dark blue helmet).

I thought of this Seahawk concept years ago and just got around to the graphics.

It always bothered me that the Vikes had Northwestern sleeves on the dark jersey and shoulder loops on the whites. This addresses that inconsistency and a few other issues some have with the Minny crew.

Pretty comprehensive changes for the Ravens fit the team’s style of play.

Our next set of tweaks is just for one team, the New Orleans Saints, and they come from Rafael Ortiz-Torrez:

Mr. Hecken,

My name is Ralph, and I’m from Daytona, FL

Back when the Jags, Lions, and Niners debuted their unis for the 09 season, I got to thinking who else needed a uniform update. The only team left that came to my mind were the New Orleans Saints. I’m not saying the unis they have now are bad, but just for the sake of creativity, I made these mockups of my idea for a new Saints Uniform, Wordmark, and Logo.

The uniform numerals are trimmed and faintly shadowed; the black jerseys have gold numerals trimmed in white with a dark gold shadow, the white jerseys have black numerals trimmed in gold with a silver shadow.

The jersey’s shoulder stripes are a thick gold stripe and a thin white stripe coming up and over the shoulder, going down the side of the jersey. The arm stripes are a thin white and a thick gold. Black is sandwiched between the two sets of stripes on the arm, and down the side as well. The sets of shoulder and arm stripes are on both jerseys.

The neck band is the same as the Vikings and Chargers uniforms, and is Gold on both jerseys. NOB’s, as well as workmarks on the fronts, are Black/White on White/Black respectfully.

The pants basically continue the side stripe from the jersey. The alternate logo is placed on the stripes on both sides of the pants below the waist. There are 3 pant colors, gold, black, and white, that are used, for a grand total of 6 possible uniform combinations.

The logo is really unchanged, but the presentation is different. The logo stays black, but is outlined in gold/dark gold, and silver. The gold outline is beveled to create a raised effect for the logo on the helmet. On the gold helmet, or on any other colored background, a white outline is added to the logo. The helmet stripe reverses the stripe colors, black-white-black, used right now, and uses white-black-white.

The wordmark is black and outlined in gold when presented with the logo or by itself on a white background. The city name is above the wordmark, and is gold with no outline. There is no outline on the workmark on the jerseys.

The alternate logo takes the classic Louisiana-Star logo, and modernizes it by using a concept made popular by the Hornets, the NOLA abbrevation. The state outline itself is gold outlined in black. The star has the same bevel outline as the logo, black outlined in white/gold-darkgold/silver. Inside the state outline, the letters “N O” are black outlined in white. To the right of the “N O” outside of the state outline is the letter “A”, using the Louisiana state outline as the letter “L”. For some reason, this was my favorite logo to do in this set.

(Using cities and states, “N” is to the right of Shreveport, the “O” is just south of Monroe, and the “A” is in Mississippi)

That’s my idea for New Orleans Saints logos and uniforms. Thanks for taking time out to read this.

Our last set of tweaks/concepts today comes from Andrew Wagner, who is undertaking the task of redesigning the entire NFL. For this set of tweaks, however, he’s just bringing us examples of four teams he’s done so far. Here’s Andrew:

Hey there, I wanted to contact you in regards to the NFL redesigns you are running on the site. I’m not sure what I should do in this situation because I am actually not just doing a few teams, but I’ve undertaken a task of working on the entire NFL. Every team is under scrutiny in my book here and I’ve completed over half the league so far. Basically, there are some teams where I have looked back to their history and decided upon the single best look and designated as the uniform. Or, like the Titans, I’ve modified it to certain degree. There are some of course, that I have left alone, but there are also other uniforms that I haven’t changed per se, but rather where I have made a decision on which jersey/pants combo. To give you an idea of what I’m doing here are a few samples I’ve done.

The Titans home uniform draws inspiration from the Oilers and in my opinion looks way better than the mismash that is the Titans current set. The away set is similar in design, but features navy blue in place of red and sets it apart with a classy color scheme that still resembles the home set.

The Falcons return to the 1966 uniforms.

The Saints see a more vibrant color of gold and the pants stripes now mimick the helmet.

When returning teams back to another era in their uniforms (ex. Bills to their lovely throwbacks), I also added alternates where I thought they looked good / appropriate. Bills got a red alt, and Patriots a blue one.

This is just an example of what I’m doing here and I’m not quite sure how I should go about it. I’ve got plenty more I’ve completed and I’m planning to complete the rest of the league on thanksgiving break and Christmas as well.

That is going to do it for this round of the NFL. I still have several more, and you guys keep sending them in (and please, continue to do so). Drop me a line and put in the subject line “NFL Uni Tweaks”. Thanks!

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benchies header Ricko’s really on a roll with Benchies. In fact, today is a very special one. Once again, I’ll give him his own intro. Here’s Rick: “Someone asked last week why the Sunday “Benchies” have been in black and white lately. Well, I was fresh out of Sundays. All the Sunday “Benchies” to date–and a good share of the black and whites—had been from the Archives (oh, a few Sundays had some things updated, sure). Anyway, this is the first new Sunday I’ve drawn in something like 15 or 16 years. Script formed in my noggin along about Tuesday and I started working on it Wednesday night. Don’t quite have my chops back yet, so bear with me.” — Ricko

And with that, please enjoy a Very Special Sunday Benchies

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scoreboardGuess The Game From The Scoreboard: We return to the gridiron this Sunday. Not too sure about the difficulty level, but some of you older readers may have no trouble. The only clue you need is right there in the center of the photograph. My only advice, if you can’t get this is: “Think.” Ready? Please post your answer int the form of a link — date, location and final score. Guess The Game. As always, if you enjoy the game, please send me some new scoreboards! Drop me a line. Thanks!

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5 & 1a Our man in the street, Jim Vilk (at last week’s Marian University/Walsh University game), brings you his “Top 5” Best and one WORST college football uni matchup from yesterday:

5. Kansas State/Nebraska — Not a fan of black football socks, but everything else is cool.

4. Harvard/Yale — They look smart, don’t they?

3. SMU/Marshall — I’ve been wanting to get SMU on here all year, and this is a good day to do it.

2. Penn State/Michigan State — Penn State/Pitt was a better rivalry, but this is a nifty nitty-gritty matchup.

1. LSU/Ole Miss — Rebels look even better than last week, and the Tigers look just as good.

And the WORST uni matchup of 11/21: Oregon/Arizona – I like blue helmets and all-red unis, but both teams have too much other stuff going on here.

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ducks unis UW #1 Seahawks Fan Michael Princip has been tracking the Oregon Ducks and all of their 2,456 possible uniform combinations this season. He’ll be updating it after each game. Last evening, in a real game for the ages, Oregon kept up its run for the roses with a thrilling, double-overtime win over Arizona, in a uniform matchup (see Jim’s 5 & 1 above) that was, well, less than stellar. But the game was an instant classic.

Here’s Your Updated Ducktracker

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Uni Observation of the decade evening goes to Mike Engle, who discovered there is quite possibly a reason for the “truncated” pants stripe on North Carolina. Don’t believe me? Check it out. Could the geniuses at Nike have actually been considering this when creating this little “uni quirk”? Who knows, but it’s food for thought…

That’s a wrap for this fine November Sunday. How bout them riflery uniforms yesterday, huh? Yeah, I was taking a class on photoshop so my graphics hopefully won’t suck so much, so I didn’t see any of the games, but I did see the highlights and stills. Nike didn’t make these uniforms because they wanted to — they did it because they could.

Everyone have a great Sunday.

 

245 comments to What if…they changed the “classics”?

  • mtjaws | November 22, 2009 at 7:21 am |

    Interesting topic, as always.

    The Browns should look good in brown jerseys and white pants, but adding orange to the pants is too much. The orange helmet is enough orange for them, as is orange pants when paired with white tops.

    Regarding the Nike specials yesterday, I think they need to have TV numbers on the shoulders. Things looked too bare up there. And the helmet numbers on Buckeyes doesn’t count. Those should be permanently outlawed!

  • jdreyfuss | November 22, 2009 at 8:17 am |

    [quote comment=”362323″]Interesting topic, as always.

    The Browns should look good in brown jerseys and white pants, but adding orange to the pants is too much. The orange helmet is enough orange for them, as is orange pants when paired with white tops.

    Regarding the Nike specials yesterday, I think they need to have TV numbers on the shoulders. Things looked too bare up there. And the helmet numbers on Buckeyes doesn’t count. Those should be permanently outlawed![/quote]
    The Browns have worn orange pants before, with both jerseys. It looked a lot better with white tops than brown tops.
    http://www.cleveland...
    http://active.typepa...

  • jdreyfuss | November 22, 2009 at 8:19 am |

    [quote comment=”362324″][quote comment=”362323″]Interesting topic, as always.

    The Browns should look good in brown jerseys and white pants, but adding orange to the pants is too much. The orange helmet is enough orange for them, as is orange pants when paired with white tops.

    Regarding the Nike specials yesterday, I think they need to have TV numbers on the shoulders. Things looked too bare up there. And the helmet numbers on Buckeyes doesn’t count. Those should be permanently outlawed![/quote]
    The Browns have worn orange pants before, with both jerseys. It looked a lot better with white tops than brown tops.
    http://www.cleveland...
    http://active.typepa...
    Some Alabama fans might have a word or two about your second statement.
    http://www.hollywood...

  • JTH | November 22, 2009 at 8:41 am |

    That last set of tweaks from Andrew Wagner looks great, but the link for the Patriots’ blue alt appears to be missing.

    I think white pants could work for the Packers, especially if they went to green helmets. Green pants with the white jerseys could work, too.

    White pants would be a good look for the Steelers, too. (Or black with the white jerseys.)

  • The Jeff | November 22, 2009 at 8:42 am |

    [quote comment=”362325″][quote comment=”362324″][quote comment=”362323″]Interesting topic, as always.

    The Browns should look good in brown jerseys and white pants, but adding orange to the pants is too much. The orange helmet is enough orange for them, as is orange pants when paired with white tops.

    Regarding the Nike specials yesterday, I think they need to have TV numbers on the shoulders. Things looked too bare up there. And the helmet numbers on Buckeyes doesn’t count. Those should be permanently outlawed![/quote]
    The Browns have worn orange pants before, with both jerseys. It looked a lot better with white tops than brown tops.
    http://www.cleveland...
    http://active.typepa...
    Some Alabama fans might have a word or two about your second statement.
    http://www.hollywood...

    I’d like to think that Alabama could stick a white A logo on the helmet instead of numbers and the fans would be ok with it as long as the team didn’t suck when they did it.

    Then again, maybe Alabama makes more money off the fans by not using a logo. They’ve got 99 helmet variations they can sell to people.

  • JTH | November 22, 2009 at 8:54 am |

    [quote comment=”362327″][quote comment=”362325″][quote comment=”362324″][quote comment=”362323″]Interesting topic, as always.

    The Browns should look good in brown jerseys and white pants, but adding orange to the pants is too much. The orange helmet is enough orange for them, as is orange pants when paired with white tops.

    Regarding the Nike specials yesterday, I think they need to have TV numbers on the shoulders. Things looked too bare up there. And the helmet numbers on Buckeyes doesn’t count. Those should be permanently outlawed![/quote]
    The Browns have worn orange pants before, with both jerseys. It looked a lot better with white tops than brown tops.
    http://www.cleveland...
    http://active.typepa...
    Some Alabama fans might have a word or two about your second statement.
    http://www.hollywood...

    I’d like to think that Alabama could stick a white A logo on the helmet instead of numbers and the fans would be ok with it as long as the team didn’t suck when they did it.

    Then again, maybe Alabama makes more money off the fans by not using a logo. They’ve got 99 helmet variations they can sell to people.[/quote]
    Throw in 0 and 00 and it’s 101, actually.

  • Oakville Endive | November 22, 2009 at 8:59 am |

    [quote comment=”362326″]That last set of tweaks from Andrew Wagner looks great, but the link for the Patriots’ blue alt appears to be missing.

    I think white pants could work for the Packers, especially if they went to green helmets. Green pants with the white jerseys could work, too.

    White pants would be a good look for the Steelers, too. (Or black with the white jerseys.)[/quote]

    The Edmonton Eskimos (CFL), who have virtually the same colours as the Packers, have gone the mix and match route in recent years, which has been very unfortunate. Green pants just doesn’t look good. When you have a yellow helmet, I think you’ve almost got to go with the gold pants. The only look that might work – is green jersey with white pants.

    Great job on the proto-types – I suggest the Browns swap out the orange with Grey , and develop a real gritty (it’s so ugly it’s good) uni – to reflect the city’s industrial routes. (i.e the Hotel New Hampshire look).

    And yes, I’ll keep passing the open windows.

  • The Jeff | November 22, 2009 at 9:01 am |

    [quote comment=”362326″]That last set of tweaks from Andrew Wagner looks great, but the link for the Patriots’ blue alt appears to be missing.

    I think white pants could work for the Packers, especially if they went to green helmets. Green pants with the white jerseys could work, too.

    White pants would be a good look for the Steelers, too. (Or black with the white jerseys.)[/quote]

    How about white pants with white helmets and gold jerseys?

    http://img14.imagesh... (drew that up while thinking about my no-white-jerseys fantasy world)

  • JTH | November 22, 2009 at 9:02 am |

    [quote comment=”362329″]The Edmonton Eskimos (CFL), who have virtually the same colours as the Packers, have gone the mix and match route in recent years, which has been very unfortunate.

    Green pants just doesn’t look good. When you have a yellow helmet, I think you’ve almost got to go with the gold pants. The only look that might work – is green jersey with white pants.[/quote]
    That’s what I meant. If you change the helmet to green, then green pants would work with the white jerseys. Green pants/white jerseys would not work with the current helmet.

  • scott | November 22, 2009 at 9:03 am |

    Players don’t seem to mind questions when the uniform sets are new and revolutionary, but they are bothered when the uniforms are throwbacks?:

    http://www.cleveland...

  • The Jeff | November 22, 2009 at 9:05 am |

    [quote comment=”362332″]Players don’t seem to mind questions when the uniform sets are new and revolutionary, but they are bothered when the uniforms are throwbacks?:

    http://www.cleveland...

    Maybe because they weren’t really throwbacks, and were ugly?

  • Oakville Endive | November 22, 2009 at 9:08 am |

    [quote comment=”362331″][quote comment=”362329″]The Edmonton Eskimos (CFL), who have virtually the same colours as the Packers, have gone the mix and match route in recent years, which has been very unfortunate.

    Green pants just doesn’t look good. When you have a yellow helmet, I think you’ve almost got to go with the gold pants. The only look that might work – is green jersey with white pants.[/quote]
    That’s what I meant. If you change the helmet to green, then green pants would work with the white jerseys. Green pants/white jerseys would not work with the current helmet.[/quote]

    My apologies JTH – although even with a green helmet, green pants – can lead to the cucumber look of the NY Jets?

  • Ray Barrington | November 22, 2009 at 9:11 am |

    I wonder if younger UniWatch readers will get the game.

    Oh, and Packer fans will probably go ape**** if the Packers change anything – remember the outcry over Ron Wolf’s proposed changes, or even in 1989 when Infante had the team wear white at home for two games?

  • ian | November 22, 2009 at 9:13 am |

    The Browns definitely need to lose those awful all brown pants. Been nagging about it all year on my FB. Bring back the Orange pants especially with the Brown tops. Throw in a nice striped sock and you’re looking sharp.

    Couldn’t agree less about the guy who said no #’s on the helmet. ‘Bama wouldn’t be the same without those number. It’d look nice on the Browns as well.
    If they’re gonnna be awful they might as well look good, eh?

  • JTH | November 22, 2009 at 9:34 am |

    [quote comment=”362330″][quote comment=”362326″]That last set of tweaks from Andrew Wagner looks great, but the link for the Patriots’ blue alt appears to be missing.

    I think white pants could work for the Packers, especially if they went to green helmets. Green pants with the white jerseys could work, too.

    White pants would be a good look for the Steelers, too. (Or black with the white jerseys.)[/quote]

    How about white pants with white helmets and gold jerseys?

    http://img14.imagesh... (drew that up while thinking about my no-white-jerseys fantasy world)[/quote]
    I dunno. I think if they’re going to have a gold alternate, the helmet needs to be green.

  • Peter | November 22, 2009 at 9:35 am |

    Scoreboard:

    this link answers it

    http://www.sskrplaw....

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 9:35 am |

    [quote comment=”362336″]The Browns definitely need to lose those awful all brown pants. Been nagging about it all year on my FB. Bring back the Orange pants especially with the Brown tops. Throw in a nice striped sock and you’re looking sharp.

    Couldn’t agree less about the guy who said no #’s on the helmet. ‘Bama wouldn’t be the same without those number. It’d look nice on the Browns as well.
    If they’re gonnna be awful they might as well look good, eh?[/quote]

    Browns used to have TV numbers on helmets. Late ’50s, early ’60s.
    http://images.google...

    Yeah, talking about what Packers “could do” really is a lot of empty gumflapping, isn’t it. Pretty much same thing for Steelers, too, I’d think. And others.

    ‘Bama is only major program that still has that style TV numbers, right? So it’s not like it’s a kind of “trademark” or anything. Sometimes a “logo” isn’t actually a logo…it’s just what makes you recognizable.

    Quick, what color do UPS drivers wear?

    —Ricko

  • JTH | November 22, 2009 at 9:36 am |

    [quote comment=”362334″][quote comment=”362331″][quote comment=”362329″]The Edmonton Eskimos (CFL), who have virtually the same colours as the Packers, have gone the mix and match route in recent years, which has been very unfortunate.

    Green pants just doesn’t look good. When you have a yellow helmet, I think you’ve almost got to go with the gold pants. The only look that might work – is green jersey with white pants.[/quote]
    That’s what I meant. If you change the helmet to green, then green pants would work with the white jerseys. Green pants/white jerseys would not work with the current helmet.[/quote]

    My apologies JTH – although even with a green helmet, green pants – can lead to the cucumber look of the NY Jets?[/quote]
    Well, I probably didn’t make myself very clear.

  • scott | November 22, 2009 at 9:41 am |

    [quote comment=”362333″][quote comment=”362332″]Players don’t seem to mind questions when the uniform sets are new and revolutionary, but they are bothered when the uniforms are throwbacks?:

    http://www.cleveland...

    Maybe because they weren’t really throwbacks, and were ugly?[/quote]

    OK, so if the players were told these were modernistic, futuristic uniforms, they would have been just fine with them?

  • JTH | November 22, 2009 at 9:44 am |

    [quote comment=”362339″][quote comment=”362336″]The Browns definitely need to lose those awful all brown pants. Been nagging about it all year on my FB. Bring back the Orange pants especially with the Brown tops. Throw in a nice striped sock and you’re looking sharp.

    Couldn’t agree less about the guy who said no #’s on the helmet. ‘Bama wouldn’t be the same without those number. It’d look nice on the Browns as well.
    If they’re gonnna be awful they might as well look good, eh?[/quote]

    Browns used to have TV numbers on helmets. Late ’50s, early ’60s.
    http://images.google...

    Yeah, talking about what Packers “could do” really is a lot of empty gumflapping, isn’t it. Pretty much same thing for Steelers, too, I’d think. And others.

    ‘Bama is only major program that still has that style TV numbers, right? So it’s not like it’s a kind of “trademark” or anything. Sometimes a “logo” isn’t actually a logo…it’s just what makes you recognizable.

    Quick, what color do UPS drivers wear?

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Empty gumflapping? Isn’t that what happens here day-in and day-out?

    Of course [insert team here]’s fans would go apeshit if some of these changes were implemented. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t discuss them.

    On the other hand, there’s probably a large contingent of [insert team here]’s fans that would embrace these changes.

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 9:45 am |

    WINTER CLASSIC UPDATE.

    So far, including a couple significant others who will be joining us, we’re at about 13. Okay, some are “definite maybes”, but it’s start.

    Not just Twin Cities locals, either. Some from Chicago. One from Milwaukee.

    13 includes the assumption Phil won’t get traced to the clever Ponzie scheme he’s developing. Told me he already had the leather jacket and everything. I had to explain, “No, Phil, it’s not a FONZIE scheme.” But I have faith he’ll figure it out.

    —Ricko

  • JohnnyO | November 22, 2009 at 9:48 am |

    “what if they (Packers) were to “change” or move into the “innovative camp”? Would we resist the change and hate it?”

    – Yes, I would never watch a game again, and I would want a refund on my wedding reception from Lambeau Field

    …”but what if they (Packers) were to go down the “modern” route? Would the world suddenly spin off it’s axis?”

    – Actually, good call, I wouldn’t be around to complain about the uni’s because we would all be sucked into oblivion.

    On a serious note…those pack redos with the should yolks were not THAT bad. If the Pack were to change their uni, they would have to go back to something REALLY old school like the yolks. See here:
    http://3.bp.blogspot...

    And here:
    http://www.fansedge....

  • JTH | November 22, 2009 at 9:50 am |

    [quote comment=”362341″][quote comment=”362333″][quote comment=”362332″]Players don’t seem to mind questions when the uniform sets are new and revolutionary, but they are bothered when the uniforms are throwbacks?:

    http://www.cleveland...

    Maybe because they weren’t really throwbacks, and were ugly?[/quote]

    OK, so if the players were told these were modernistic, futuristic uniforms, they would have been just fine with them?[/quote]
    They were told that. A good deal of the hype about them revolved around the claims that they’re lighter, moisture-wicking, faster, etc.

    I think the problem was that the unis were flat-out ugly and the players didn’t care for them. If they liked the way they looked, you probably wouldn’t have been able to shut them up about them.

  • Chris M | November 22, 2009 at 9:52 am |

    Team Builder modern Browns:

    http://farm3.static....

  • Marc | November 22, 2009 at 10:02 am |

    I just want to give a shout out to all of the great mock-ups everyone has been creating on this site, especially today. You guys are all very talented. I love the mock ups of the Saints and the Titans. Keep up the good work guys

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 10:07 am |

    [quote comment=”362344″]”what if they (Packers) were to “change” or move into the “innovative camp”? Would we resist the change and hate it?”

    – Yes, I would never watch a game again, and I would want a refund on my wedding reception from Lambeau Field

    …”but what if they (Packers) were to go down the “modern” route? Would the world suddenly spin off it’s axis?”

    – Actually, good call, I wouldn’t be around to complain about the uni’s because we would all be sucked into oblivion.

    On a serious note…those pack redos with the should yolks were not THAT bad. If the Pack were to change their uni, they would have to go back to something REALLY old school like the yolks. See here:
    http://3.bp.blogspot...

    And here:
    http://www.fansedge....

    I meant discussion of total redesigns is sometimes empty cumflapping, especially for teams that everyone knows aren’t about to change much of anything. Commenting on how teams put together combinations of existing unis isn’t quite the same thing. Or what would be decent alts.

    Speaking of that, remember this one I threw together one Satuday?
    Not as a change, but strictly as a once-a-season, vintage-inspired alt. Maybe for the home game nearest the equinox (football, fall, Wisconsin and all). Yoke would be shallow enough in back so NOB could still be white, though. And it probably would have white TVs edged in forest on shoulders to comply with league rules…
    http://farm3.static....

    I did it so long ago that now I’m kinda separated from it…so can look at it with relative objectivity. And as an alt, I think it looks pretty good.

    —Ricko

  • Stuby | November 22, 2009 at 10:08 am |

    That Browns QB in the lead picture and subsequent mock-ups is obviously not Brady Quinn but looks an awfully lot like Tim Couch.

    http://jbeaniesports...

    Not sure why he would be toting a college football, though.

  • Jeff P | November 22, 2009 at 10:12 am |

    [quote comment=”362345″][quote comment=”362341″][quote comment=”362333″][quote comment=”362332″]Players don’t seem to mind questions when the uniform sets are new and revolutionary, but they are bothered when the uniforms are throwbacks?:

    http://www.cleveland...

    Maybe because they weren’t really throwbacks, and were ugly?[/quote]

    OK, so if the players were told these were modernistic, futuristic uniforms, they would have been just fine with them?[/quote]
    They were told that. A good deal of the hype about them revolved around the claims that they’re lighter, moisture-wicking, faster, etc.

    I think the problem was that the unis were flat-out ugly and the players didn’t care for them. If they liked the way they looked, you probably wouldn’t have been able to shut them up about them.[/quote]

    Er, did either of you read the article? There was nothing about the look of them. The problems the players had was becuase reporter were asking about the new uniforms, and that was distracting from the game. In short, nike’s hype backfired becuase the players hated the reporters asking a ton of questions, presumably about if the uniforms lived up to the hype, and want them ditched because there was too many questions due to the hype.

    I love karma. If they had just introduced them quietly and showcased the improvements to the team, they would probably be selling them to most of their programs. Instead, a flagship program may ditch them, which I’m sure will lead to a chilling effect on sales.

  • Stuby | November 22, 2009 at 10:13 am |

    [quote comment=”362346″]Team Builder modern Browns:

    http://farm3.static....

    The problem with modernizing the Browns is that no matter what you do, they are going to end up looking like Bowling Green.

    http://graphics.fans...

    http://www.tickets.c...

    http://www.betfirms....

  • Jeff P | November 22, 2009 at 10:13 am |

    That should be, nothing about players saying anything about the look.

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 10:15 am |

    Visual phenomenon with TOSU’s unis yesterday…

    Because the pants were are as dark as they were, they edged closer to red on the light-dark scale than the normal gray.

    The result was that, on almost all the highlight packages I watched on different networks, the side of the pantlegs of players running started to look almost a kind of blend of rosey-pink and gray.

    A fluke, I know, but it was … different.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment=”362351″][quote comment=”362346″]Team Builder modern Browns:

    http://farm3.static....

    The problem with modernizing the Browns is that no matter what you do, they are going to end up looking like Bowling Green.

    http://graphics.fans...

    http://www.tickets.c...

    http://www.betfirms....

    And most years Bowling Green has, despite having the same relatively uncommon colors, done a good job of NOT looking too much like the Browns.

    I still dont’t get the NFL being the highest echelon of its sport and apparently believing the way to go is to look like teams that play on lower levels.

    Seems like it should be the other way around, shouldn’t it?

    —Ricko

  • JTH | November 22, 2009 at 10:19 am |

    [quote comment=”362352″]That should be, nothing about players saying anything about the look.[/quote]
    So because nothing was mentioned in that blurb means the players had no opinion on the unis’ appearance?

    Thanks for clearing that up for me.

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 10:25 am |

    [quote comment=”362350″][quote comment=”362345″][quote comment=”362341″][quote comment=”362333″][quote comment=”362332″]Players don’t seem to mind questions when the uniform sets are new and revolutionary, but they are bothered when the uniforms are throwbacks?:

    http://www.cleveland...

    Maybe because they weren’t really throwbacks, and were ugly?[/quote]

    OK, so if the players were told these were modernistic, futuristic uniforms, they would have been just fine with them?[/quote]
    They were told that. A good deal of the hype about them revolved around the claims that they’re lighter, moisture-wicking, faster, etc.

    I think the problem was that the unis were flat-out ugly and the players didn’t care for them. If they liked the way they looked, you probably wouldn’t have been able to shut them up about them.[/quote]

    Er, did either of you read the article? There was nothing about the look of them. The problems the players had was becuase reporter were asking about the new uniforms, and that was distracting from the game. In short, nike’s hype backfired becuase the players hated the reporters asking a ton of questions, presumably about if the uniforms lived up to the hype, and want them ditched because there was too many questions due to the hype.

    I love karma. If they had just introduced them quietly and showcased the improvements to the team, they would probably be selling them to most of their programs. Instead, a flagship program may ditch them, which I’m sure will lead to a chilling effect on sales.[/quote]

    Which brings me to something I’ve been asking all along. This new technology could only be made up in certain colors? Nike couldn’t have created pants for TOSU in the same silver as always? Or gold for FSU?

    I hope you’re right. Hope it backfires.

    Nike clearly decided they’re bigger than the game. At least for this weekend, they attempted to shift much of the focus to them. I think those camo unis for Army last year made them think they could. The players, rightly so (and it’s about time), appear to beg to differ.

    Maybe the coaches and AD’s will wise up, too. The schools got paid, sure. But they also got used. Big time.

    —Ricko

  • Paturn | November 22, 2009 at 10:32 am |

    Id like to echo those sentiments regarding the mockups re: the Titans and the Saints.

    The only I really didnt like was the Navy helmet But it wasnt horrible by any means. I just happen to like the lighter shade of blue actually.

    Regarding the Jets. I wish they would go back to the first pics look. I might catch flack for that. But I just dont like their current uni set.

  • Matt Mc. | November 22, 2009 at 10:35 am |

    Andrew, awesome job on the titans unis. I have been wanting them to move to the secondary logo on the helmets for years..anything other than that horrible current flaming thumb-tac/sperm with poor dimensional perspective.

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 10:38 am |

    Just had a thought.

    If NFL allowed color-on-color, Titans could go mono powder against Texans mono battle red for the national game.
    http://static.endzon...
    http://www.houstonte...

    Whoa, that’d be something to see.

    —Ricko

  • KW | November 22, 2009 at 10:39 am |

    How do you figure this was at all bad by Nike…Nike is a marketing machine who got exactlly what they wanted…people talking/writing about the uniforms.

    What they did with Army/Navy last year was brilliant…what they did this year lived up to be close to 95% of that.

    Keep in mind these uniforms arent made to satisfy the tastes of 40+ year olds…they are geared at making 15-20 year old athletes go crazy about them and that is the reaction that they have received.

    When they were released on the Beaverton campus 6ish months ago the target market who saw them went nuts about how “hot”/”bad” (as in good) they were.

    Like it or not Nike did a great job with these…in order to bring about positive changes steps have to be made that fall outside the normal box.

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 10:40 am |

    [quote comment=”362359″]Just had a thought.

    If NFL allowed color-on-color, Titans could go mono powder against Texans mono battle red for the national game.
    http://static.endzon...
    http://www.houstonte...

    Whoa, that’d be something to see.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Another Titans…
    http://static.nfl.co...

  • Charlie | November 22, 2009 at 10:45 am |

    [quote comment=”362359″]Just had a thought.

    If NFL allowed color-on-color, Titans could go mono powder against Texans mono battle red for the national game.[/quote]

    They do

    http://cdn1.sbnation...

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 10:46 am |

    [quote comment=”362353″]Visual phenomenon with TOSU’s unis yesterday…

    Because the pants were are as dark as they were, they edged closer to red on the light-dark scale than the normal gray.

    The result was that, on almost all the highlight packages I watched on different networks, the side of the pantlegs of players running started to look almost a kind of blend of rosey-pink and gray.

    A fluke, I know, but it was … different.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Powder red?

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 10:49 am |

    [quote comment=”362360″]How do you figure this was at all bad by Nike…Nike is a marketing machine who got exactlly what they wanted…people talking/writing about the uniforms.

    What they did with Army/Navy last year was brilliant…what they did this year lived up to be close to 95% of that.

    Keep in mind these uniforms arent made to satisfy the tastes of 40+ year olds…they are geared at making 15-20 year old athletes go crazy about them and that is the reaction that they have received.

    When they were released on the Beaverton campus 6ish months ago the target market who saw them went nuts about how “hot”/”bad” (as in good) they were.

    Like it or not Nike did a great job with these…in order to bring about positive changes steps have to be made that fall outside the normal box.[/quote]

    And the point we were making was that after a game the last thing the player wants to be asked about is how the “new unis worked out.” Ask them that on Monday, or on the Friday before the game.

    That’s the backlash we were talking about.

    I also should point that, most times, it isn’t the players who make the decisions on what a school is going to wear. Many consult them, sure. Other’s don’t. You think LSU or Alabama or Penn State gives a shit if the players really want to wear a black jersey some time?

    Supposedly this was about new technology. And rather than let the technology speak for itself, Nike decided to redesign unis to play “look at us, not the game”. And that’s exactly as they should try to do.

    What’s wrong is that huge organziations that ought to know better went along with it. And now a few players, bless their hearts, apparently are saying, “Jesus, on Saturdays it isn’t about the damn uniforms or who made them.”

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 10:49 am |

    Last night Jeff P. and I had a disagreement over UNC and its “goofy” (my word) pant stripe. After I went to bed he suggested this:

    “And here’s another random thought: what would it look like if they put the argyle down the pant leg as the stripe? It could be a cool tie in with the Basketball team, or it could be a disaster. But it would be an interesting look, that’s for sure.”

    I think that’s a fantastic idea, Jeff! Hey Phil, can you whip up that one with your newfound photochop skills?

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 10:51 am |

    [quote comment=”362363″][quote comment=”362359″]Just had a thought.

    If NFL allowed color-on-color, Titans could go mono powder against Texans mono battle red for the national game.[/quote]

    They do

    http://cdn1.sbnation...

    No kidding.
    What are the chances I meant “as a general rule for non-throwback games”?

    I assumed must of us here understood the policy.

    Guess I was wrong, huh?

    But thank you for pointing it out to those who don’t.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment=”362331″][quote comment=”362329″]The Edmonton Eskimos (CFL), who have virtually the same colours as the Packers, have gone the mix and match route in recent years, which has been very unfortunate.

    Green pants just doesn’t look good. When you have a yellow helmet, I think you’ve almost got to go with the gold pants. The only look that might work – is green jersey with white pants.[/quote]
    That’s what I meant. If you change the helmet to green, then green pants would work with the white jerseys. Green pants/white jerseys would not work with the current helmet.[/quote]

    I gotta repsectfully disagree. While I would outfit the rest of the CFL in early 80s unis, the new Eskimos mix and match set looks great to me. Edmonton no longer looks like a Green Bay clone – they have an identity of their own. White, green or yellow pants…they all work with that Eskimos helmet.

  • Nicole | November 22, 2009 at 10:57 am |

    Re: Rafael’s Saints state logo – I LOVE it except for one thing – I don’t like the silver. It looks like the Dallas star in the middle surrounded by gold. The silver seems unnecessary and out place with the black and gold.

    But other than that detail with the star, that’s a great logo. Not sure why it took the Hornets to get NOLA into the sports vernacular. Everyone else in New Orleans uses it all the time.

    As for the Packers – I’m a big fan of the shoulder yoke style, but did not like the one with the football/heisman logo on the front of the green jersey and I’m still not sold on the Gold jersey. Walmart and some other discounters make gold replicas and they’re just a bit of an eye assault when you see people walking around with them. With the green pants – maybe. But definitely not gold on gold.

    The recolored Packers helmets were trippy! It took a minute of getting over the just plain wrongness of how they looked to eval them, but I’m not hating them.

  • HC | November 22, 2009 at 10:59 am |

    I believe this is the scoreboard for this game:

    http://www.pro-footb...

  • Jeff P | November 22, 2009 at 11:03 am |

    [quote comment=”362355″][quote comment=”362352″]That should be, nothing about players saying anything about the look.[/quote]
    So because nothing was mentioned in that blurb means the players had no opinion on the unis’ appearance?

    Thanks for clearing that up for me.[/quote]
    It means that the presumption of them hating the throwback look that seemed apparent in the previous posts was misguided. Just because they were asked about the look does not mean they all said they hated it and demanded to look like superheros instead.

    They very well have unanimously felt that way. But presuming that from an article that didn’t say a damned thing about what the players liked or didn’t like in regards to the look is nowhere near reasonable.

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 11:05 am |

    [quote comment=”362368″][quote comment=”362331″][quote comment=”362329″]The Edmonton Eskimos (CFL), who have virtually the same colours as the Packers, have gone the mix and match route in recent years, which has been very unfortunate.

    Green pants just doesn’t look good. When you have a yellow helmet, I think you’ve almost got to go with the gold pants. The only look that might work – is green jersey with white pants.[/quote]
    That’s what I meant. If you change the helmet to green, then green pants would work with the white jerseys. Green pants/white jerseys would not work with the current helmet.[/quote]

    I gotta repsectfully disagree. While I would outfit the rest of the CFL in early 80s unis, the new Eskimos mix and match set looks great to me. Edmonton no longer looks like a Green Bay clone – they have an identity of their own. White, green or yellow pants…they all work with that Eskimos helmet.[/quote]

    So as teams cease to be Packer clones, leaving the Packers to “own” their longstanding look, it would time for the Packers to change…become, say, an Eskimo clone? ;)

    There’s exciting, innovative change that makes sense. And there’s “let’s change cuz we’re bored.”

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 11:10 am |

    “Keep in mind these uniforms arent made to satisfy the tastes of 40+ year olds…they are geared at making 15-20 year old athletes go crazy about them and that is the reaction that they have received.”

    And that’s what it comes down to.
    The question no longer is, “What do our uniforms look like?”
    It’s…
    “Which of our football costumes are we wearing this week?”

    And the latter seems to be the way it’s headed. For the moment.

    Doesn’t make it right. Doesn’t make it wrong. Time will decided that.

    Look how well this concept endured, for example…
    http://telstarlogist...

    —Ricko

  • Jeff P | November 22, 2009 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”362372″][quote comment=”362368″][quote comment=”362331″][quote comment=”362329″]The Edmonton Eskimos (CFL), who have virtually the same colours as the Packers, have gone the mix and match route in recent years, which has been very unfortunate.

    Green pants just doesn’t look good. When you have a yellow helmet, I think you’ve almost got to go with the gold pants. The only look that might work – is green jersey with white pants.[/quote]
    That’s what I meant. If you change the helmet to green, then green pants would work with the white jerseys. Green pants/white jerseys would not work with the current helmet.[/quote]

    I gotta repsectfully disagree. While I would outfit the rest of the CFL in early 80s unis, the new Eskimos mix and match set looks great to me. Edmonton no longer looks like a Green Bay clone – they have an identity of their own. White, green or yellow pants…they all work with that Eskimos helmet.[/quote]

    So as teams cease to be Packer clones, leaving the Packers to “own” their longstanding look, it would time for the Packers to change…become, say, an Eskimo clone? ;)

    There’s exciting, innovative change that makes sense. And there’s “let’s change cuz we’re bored.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’ve advocated that in the past, having them switch up the pants on the whites to green. I don’t like white and yellow together as two main colors. One as an accent to the other is fine.

    To head off comments on two lights being fine, this is how I think of it.

    Oh, and here’s the photoshop job I did to mock it up. Excuse the crappiness.

    Personally, I think it works, even with the yellow helmet.

  • Goalie007 | November 22, 2009 at 11:19 am |

    The Browns may stink on ice at the present, but the unis are classic. They tried a “new, innovative” uni in the 1984 season, and it was horrific. It was so bad that they redesigned the home brown jerseys after the pre-season (plain orange numbers on a dark brown jersey – you couldn’t see the numbers from more than 5 feet away or on TV). It got so bad that they went back to the classic uniform set for 1985 and have stayed with them, with minor tweaks, ever since. The orange pants weren’t bad in the 70’s and 80’s. When I went to Bowling Green in the mid 80’s, the Browns uniform set was identical to BG’s with the exception of BG’s helmet logo. Considering the fact that the Browns 1st training camps were held at BGSU and that Paul Brown reportedly liked the burnt orange and seal brown color scheme and borrowed it for the Browns, it was fitting. As for the current brown road pants, both the pants and their primary proponent – Eric Mangini – need to go away, post haste.

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 22, 2009 at 11:30 am |

    Browns really ought to only go here and here.

  • MPowers1634 | November 22, 2009 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”362376″]Browns really ought to only go here and here.[/quote]

    I agree, Ice Pirate!

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    [quote comment=”362372″][quote comment=”362368″][quote comment=”362331″][quote comment=”362329″]The Edmonton Eskimos (CFL), who have virtually the same colours as the Packers, have gone the mix and match route in recent years, which has been very unfortunate.

    Green pants just doesn’t look good. When you have a yellow helmet, I think you’ve almost got to go with the gold pants. The only look that might work – is green jersey with white pants.[/quote]
    That’s what I meant. If you change the helmet to green, then green pants would work with the white jerseys. Green pants/white jerseys would not work with the current helmet.[/quote]

    I gotta repsectfully disagree. While I would outfit the rest of the CFL in early 80s unis, the new Eskimos mix and match set looks great to me. Edmonton no longer looks like a Green Bay clone – they have an identity of their own. White, green or yellow pants…they all work with that Eskimos helmet.[/quote]

    So as teams cease to be Packer clones, leaving the Packers to “own” their longstanding look, it would time for the Packers to change…become, say, an Eskimo clone? ;)

    There’s exciting, innovative change that makes sense. And there’s “let’s change cuz we’re bored.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I dont’ think the Eskimos were bored, just wanting to be the Eskimos. Can’t speak for them, but that’s my guess.

    Not able to research both timelines at the moment, but there was a time when the Pack and Esks looked nothing alike. Edmonton used to have green and gold, instead of yellow, while Green Bay had the blue and yellow. It probably was the late 60s or early 70s when they started to look the same. I look at the latest unis as more of a correction, not a sign of boredom.

  • MPowers1634 | November 22, 2009 at 11:39 am |

    [quote comment=”362377″][quote comment=”362376″]Browns really ought to only go here and here.[/quote]

    I agree, Ice Pirate![/quote]

    BTW, This week, I was teaching my students about “breach of contract” and I used your Herm Edwards story.

  • Rafael | November 22, 2009 at 11:45 am |

    re: Nicole

    Now that you mention it, yea, it does look like the Cowboys logo. The star was thee single hardest part of that logo because I knew if I switched the colors up on that, I would have to switch them up on the entire thing just to make it somewhat decent. I just settled with coloring the star like the regular Saints logo I made. I really enjoyed making it though, moreso than the others, prolly because the Saints don’t have a true alternate logo on their unis right now.

    Thanks for the comment, Nicole

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 11:47 am |

    [quote comment=”362378″][quote comment=”362372″][quote comment=”362368″][quote comment=”362331″][quote comment=”362329″]The Edmonton Eskimos (CFL), who have virtually the same colours as the Packers, have gone the mix and match route in recent years, which has been very unfortunate.

    Green pants just doesn’t look good. When you have a yellow helmet, I think you’ve almost got to go with the gold pants. The only look that might work – is green jersey with white pants.[/quote]
    That’s what I meant. If you change the helmet to green, then green pants would work with the white jerseys. Green pants/white jerseys would not work with the current helmet.[/quote]

    I gotta repsectfully disagree. While I would outfit the rest of the CFL in early 80s unis, the new Eskimos mix and match set looks great to me. Edmonton no longer looks like a Green Bay clone – they have an identity of their own. White, green or yellow pants…they all work with that Eskimos helmet.[/quote]

    So as teams cease to be Packer clones, leaving the Packers to “own” their longstanding look, it would time for the Packers to change…become, say, an Eskimo clone? ;)

    There’s exciting, innovative change that makes sense. And there’s “let’s change cuz we’re bored.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I dont’ think the Eskimos were bored, just wanting to be the Eskimos. Can’t speak for them, but that’s my guess.

    Not able to research both timelines at the moment, but there was a time when the Pack and Esks looked nothing alike. Edmonton used to have green and gold, instead of yellow, while Green Bay had the blue and yellow. It probably was the late 60s or early 70s when they started to look the same. I look at the latest unis as more of a correction, not a sign of boredom.[/quote]

    I meant if the Packers were to change now. Understand Edmonton’s motives.

    Sitting here thinking about the old gold Eskimos and the Packers uni timelines, too.

    Without digging through my files, can’t recall exactly when Esks changed to athletic gold. Pretty sure was after the Packers went to the Lombardi unis (’59), but not by much. Wonder if part of Esks’ motivation wasn’t Blue Bombers changing from blue to old gold helmets about that time. May have been a season or two when both wore old gold hats.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 11:48 am |

    Nice concepts, y’all.

    Denver Gregg, if I was doing a Top 5 of today’s concepts, your Titans and Seahawks designs would take the two top spots. Fantastic.

    Andrew’s red Bills alt would take the bronze. I always thought the Bills in red and the Pats in blue made more sense (the real patriots were fighting redcoats after all, not wearing them). Can’t wait to see NE’s classic unis done in blue.

    Phil, your putting the Steelers in white pants isn’t a bad idea, but I still like the yellow pants better. Although, if they wore my favorite unis http://www.weirdwolf... then I would welcome the white pants wholeheartedly.

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 22, 2009 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment=”362379″][quote comment=”362377″][quote comment=”362376″]Browns really ought to only go here and here.[/quote]

    I agree, Ice Pirate![/quote]

    BTW, This week, I was teaching my students about “breach of contract” and I used your Herm Edwards story.[/quote]
    Hah! I hope you included the fact that is was still stupid o’clock in the morning when that happened. I mean DARK o’clock, you know?

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 11:51 am |

    I miss Magnum P.I. as well, Mick…

  • Lou | November 22, 2009 at 11:56 am |

    Can you explain what the clue is? I cannnot read the scoreboard or make out any of the people. All I know is that it is Yankee Stadium and a football game. What narrows it down?

    [quote comment=”362335″]I wonder if younger UniWatch readers will get the game.

    Oh, and Packer fans will probably go ape**** if the Packers change anything – remember the outcry over Ron Wolf’s proposed changes, or even in 1989 when Infante had the team wear white at home for two games?[/quote]

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 11:57 am |

    [quote comment=”362385″]Can you explain what the clue is? I cannnot read the scoreboard or make out any of the people. All I know is that it is Yankee Stadium and a football game. What narrows it down?

    [quote comment=”362335″]I wonder if younger UniWatch readers will get the game.

    Oh, and Packer fans will probably go ape**** if the Packers change anything – remember the outcry over Ron Wolf’s proposed changes, or even in 1989 when Infante had the team wear white at home for two games?[/quote][/quote]

    The lowered flag.

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 22, 2009 at 11:59 am |

    That throwback Falcons uni from earlier this year is about the only time I can remember a football uni looking good when the helmet, jersey and pants are each a different basic color. In general, teams should stick to 2. Ie, IF the Packers were gonna go with white pants and a green jersey… that yellow helmet’s not gonna look good and you should consider a green one.

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 12:01 pm |

    “Uni Observation of the evening goes to Mike Engle, who discovered there is quite possibly a reason for the “truncated” pants stripe on North Carolina.”

    http://farm3.static....

    I could see where Mike was coming from, but to me the stripe looks more like an Exacto blade than the state of N. Carolina.

  • The Jeff | November 22, 2009 at 12:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”362375″]The Browns may stink on ice at the present, but the unis are classic. They tried a “new, innovative” uni in the 1984 season, and it was horrific. It was so bad that they redesigned the home brown jerseys after the pre-season (plain orange numbers on a dark brown jersey – you couldn’t see the numbers from more than 5 feet away or on TV). It got so bad that they went back to the classic uniform set for 1985 and have stayed with them, with minor tweaks, ever since. The orange pants weren’t bad in the 70’s and 80’s. When I went to Bowling Green in the mid 80’s, the Browns uniform set was identical to BG’s with the exception of BG’s helmet logo. Considering the fact that the Browns 1st training camps were held at BGSU and that Paul Brown reportedly liked the burnt orange and seal brown color scheme and borrowed it for the Browns, it was fitting. As for the current brown road pants, both the pants and their primary proponent – Eric Mangini – need to go away, post haste.[/quote]

    I don’t find anything horrific about the Browns 1984 uniform. Maybe the preseason orange numbers didn’t work, but the white outlined in orange were good, and the pants had the proper stripe pattern, instead of being freakin backwards.

    I think it’s a damn shame they had to ditch that uniform after a single season. It was better than what they’re wearing now.

  • MEMAL | November 22, 2009 at 12:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”362376″]Browns really ought to only go here and here.[/quote]

    I totally agree. I have to give props to you guys out there trying to come up with original ideas and for creating some great stuff. It’s so neat to play around with the looks of the teams we love and imagine what could be…but I’m kind of glad that playing around with it is as far as it goes. The theme for today’s article is obvioulsy neat and interesting, but if you mess with my Steeler’s unis I would be pissed, I don’t care how it looks. I hate that they keep wearing those throwbacks. I like consistency in my team’s unis, which is kind of easy as a Pittsburgh fan to get used to(excluding the Pirates). Looks don’t become timeless unless you leave it alone for a long time and let everyone become used to it. Most of our lists of favorite unis consist of teams who haven’t changed their look. This love of consistency of mine is what makes me hate teams like Oregon, Boise State, Miami and the others that change designs way too frequently. Pick something, stick with it, let it become your identity!

    On another note, I never fully realize just how difficult it must be to design uniforms that fans will accept and love until I see some of the ideas that are created and shared on this page. Some of the ideas brought up here I find are great, like Rafael’s logo and workmark tweaks for the Saints. I really like that secondary logo and how it relates to the region as well as the team. Then I see Denver Gregg’s uni tweaks and I will leave it at that I don’t like them and I think to myself, “This is how we get the Buffalo Bills like uniforms, someone has an idea they like and they are able to convince a small group of people it would be good.” No rip on your stuff Gregg, I just don’t like it, but mad props for designing and working it out because the images themselves look great! I’m trying to work out some of my own stuff and it’s no where near show worthy so big props to you there! I love unis, love talking and hearing about them, but wow, it’s a job where you gotta deal with criticism, some deserved, some not. I love seeing it all though!

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 12:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”362389″][quote comment=”362375″]The Browns may stink on ice at the present, but the unis are classic. They tried a “new, innovative” uni in the 1984 season, and it was horrific. It was so bad that they redesigned the home brown jerseys after the pre-season (plain orange numbers on a dark brown jersey – you couldn’t see the numbers from more than 5 feet away or on TV). It got so bad that they went back to the classic uniform set for 1985 and have stayed with them, with minor tweaks, ever since. The orange pants weren’t bad in the 70’s and 80’s. When I went to Bowling Green in the mid 80’s, the Browns uniform set was identical to BG’s with the exception of BG’s helmet logo. Considering the fact that the Browns 1st training camps were held at BGSU and that Paul Brown reportedly liked the burnt orange and seal brown color scheme and borrowed it for the Browns, it was fitting. As for the current brown road pants, both the pants and their primary proponent – Eric Mangini – need to go away, post haste.[/quote]

    I don’t find anything horrific about the Browns 1984 uniform. Maybe the preseason orange numbers didn’t work, but the white outlined in orange were good, and the pants had the proper stripe pattern, instead of being freakin backwards.

    I think it’s a damn shame they had to ditch that uniform after a single season. It was better than what they’re wearing now.[/quote]

    Everything’s better if new, right?
    They junked them because (and I was covering the NFL that year) even with the white outline they were deemed too hard to read. They may not have been, in and of themselves, but compared to the white on brown that everyone was accustomed to, they were harder to read.

    Plus, I think Cleveland fans just weren’t up for a change of something with so much history. Probably would be different if Browns were a team that changed often but, with the exception of the orange pants for awhile, wholesale change wasn’t their history.

    That history, btw, has had another 25 years tacked onto it since then.

    It’s okay, Mangini doesn’t grasp that, either.

    But he really knows pro football.
    (eyeroll)

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 12:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”362343″]WINTER CLASSIC UPDATE.

    So far, including a couple significant others who will be joining us, we’re at about 13. Okay, some are “definite maybes”, but it’s start.

    Not just Twin Cities locals, either. Some from Chicago. One from Milwaukee.

    13 includes the assumption Phil won’t get traced to the clever Ponzie scheme he’s developing. Told me he already had the leather jacket and everything. I had to explain, “No, Phil, it’s not a FONZIE scheme.” But I have faith he’ll figure it out.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    :) How’d I miss this in my first skim through the comments? You should make that into a “Benchies” somehow, Ricko.

    And you should move Minnesota closer to Ohio, then you might have a definite 14.

  • M.Princip | November 22, 2009 at 12:14 pm |

    Just updated the Ducktracker with this logo that I worked up this morning:

    Duck O

    Also, put some green in the shoes. More indicative to what Masoli wore.

    Oregon Ducktracker

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 12:15 pm |

    “And you should move Minnesota closer to Ohio, then you might have a definite 14.”

    I’ve felt the same way about Sheep Station and its distressing lack of proximity to Minnesota.

    Twice now. LOL

    —Ricko

  • The Jeff | November 22, 2009 at 12:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”362391″][quote comment=”362389″][quote comment=”362375″]The Browns may stink on ice at the present, but the unis are classic. They tried a “new, innovative” uni in the 1984 season, and it was horrific. It was so bad that they redesigned the home brown jerseys after the pre-season (plain orange numbers on a dark brown jersey – you couldn’t see the numbers from more than 5 feet away or on TV). It got so bad that they went back to the classic uniform set for 1985 and have stayed with them, with minor tweaks, ever since. The orange pants weren’t bad in the 70’s and 80’s. When I went to Bowling Green in the mid 80’s, the Browns uniform set was identical to BG’s with the exception of BG’s helmet logo. Considering the fact that the Browns 1st training camps were held at BGSU and that Paul Brown reportedly liked the burnt orange and seal brown color scheme and borrowed it for the Browns, it was fitting. As for the current brown road pants, both the pants and their primary proponent – Eric Mangini – need to go away, post haste.[/quote]

    I don’t find anything horrific about the Browns 1984 uniform. Maybe the preseason orange numbers didn’t work, but the white outlined in orange were good, and the pants had the proper stripe pattern, instead of being freakin backwards.

    I think it’s a damn shame they had to ditch that uniform after a single season. It was better than what they’re wearing now.[/quote]

    Everything’s better if new, right?
    They junked them because (and I was covering the NFL that year) even with the white outline they were deemed too hard to read. They may not have been, in and of themselves, but compared to the white on brown that everyone was accustomed to, they were harder to read.

    Plus, I think Cleveland fans just weren’t up for a change of something with so much history. Probably would be different if Browns were a team that changed often but, with the exception of the orange pants for awhile, wholesale change wasn’t their history.

    That history, btw, has had another 25 years tacked onto it since then.

    It’s okay, Mangini doesn’t grasp that, either.

    But he really knows pro football.
    (eyeroll)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Ricko, slow down. I agreed that the orange numbers were bad.

    Let me say this again.

    Orange numbers – bad.

    White numbers with an orange outline – good.

  • LI Phil | November 22, 2009 at 12:25 pm |

    mornin afternoon

    lots of comments, too many to address (that’s what happens when you sleep in on a sunday)

    as far as the “argyle stripe” on the unc football…yeah, i’ll try to mock up something later today…unless anyone else wants to try it first

    one other thing…as you guys no doubt know, along with the many readers who’ve submitted awesome NFL uni tweaks/mocks/changes (and there are more to come), i too have done some for every team, just don’t post ’em

    but i had done one for the pack, with the “eskimo treatment” just to show ya it wouldn’t be, um, good

    mix and match

    yeah…no

  • Greatest Show On Turf | November 22, 2009 at 12:30 pm |

    Redskins are going all red today

  • Kenny Jacobson | November 22, 2009 at 12:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”362397″]Redskins are going all red today[/quote]
    Unbelievably ugly.

  • LI Phil | November 22, 2009 at 12:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”362397″]Redskins are going all red today[/quote]

    for zornie’s swansong?

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 12:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”362396″]mornin afternoon

    lots of comments, too many to address (that’s what happens when you sleep in on a sunday)

    as far as the “argyle stripe” on the unc football…yeah, i’ll try to mock up something later today…unless anyone else wants to try it first

    one other thing…as you guys no doubt know, along with the many readers who’ve submitted awesome NFL uni tweaks/mocks/changes (and there are more to come), i too have done some for every team, just don’t post ’em

    but i had done one for the pack, with the “eskimo treatment” just to show ya it wouldn’t be, um, good

    mix and match

    yeah…no[/quote]

    But when you see it live:
    http://media-2.web.b...
    http://media.hamilto...
    http://sports.stanja...
    it’s kinda sweet.

    So are these throwbacks:
    http://www.leaderpos...

    And yes, even a green helmet would be cool http://media.ticketm...
    but I resist that change because I like yellow and I don’t understand why so many teams drift away from it. It’s not as if we still use the term “yellow” to refer to someone cowardly, but it seems to be the connotation here. “Oh, we can’t wear yellow because we’re tough. We’re not cowards.” Whatever. Yellow looks nice and if it’s part of your team’s color scheme, be proud of it.

  • M.Princip | November 22, 2009 at 12:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”362396″]mornin afternoon

    lots of comments, too many to address (that’s what happens when you sleep in on a sunday)

    as far as the “argyle stripe” on the unc football…yeah, i’ll try to mock up something later today…unless anyone else wants to try it first

    one other thing…as you guys no doubt know, along with the many readers who’ve submitted awesome NFL uni tweaks/mocks/changes (and there are more to come), i too have done some for every team, just don’t post ’em

    but i had done one for the pack, with the “eskimo treatment” just to show ya it wouldn’t be, um, good

    mix and match

    yeah…no[/quote]

    White top, green pants, & yellow helmet, I like. You know Phil, you had said you don’t like the three being of different colors, however, would you say that it’s really a love/hate thing? If it works, it really works?

  • Pretty Boy Paulie | November 22, 2009 at 12:37 pm |

    Hey Andrew, I LOVE THIS!…i would personally keep the helmet white & “Flaming Thumbtack” logo. But it looks TERRIFIC.

    http://farm3.static....

  • Pretty Boy Paulie | November 22, 2009 at 12:47 pm |

    Phil, I would say NO to traditional teams going “New School”. I’m always game for new looks and modern designs but I believe the NFL is a good looking league…from the uni standpoint. Maybe a few tweaks here and there but I wouldn’t “modernize” any team’s uniforms.

    I’ve gotten used to the Cardinals unis, the Vikings & Patriots could use tweaks but that’s it in my book.

    I LOVE the Browns unis. Adding an orange stripe to the brown pants would be interesting.

  • LI Phil | November 22, 2009 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”362402″]Hey Andrew, I LOVE THIS!…i would personally keep the helmet white & “Flaming Thumbtack” logo. But it looks TERRIFIC.

    http://farm3.static....

    isn’t it great?

    better than one of the mocks i did for the titans, but if you want to sort of see andrew’s concept with the flaming tack white helmet, check out the fourth mock in this set

    same solid powder jersey/white pants but with the current helmet

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”362330″][quote comment=”362326″]That last set of tweaks from Andrew Wagner looks great, but the link for the Patriots’ blue alt appears to be missing.

    I think white pants could work for the Packers, especially if they went to green helmets. Green pants with the white jerseys could work, too.

    White pants would be a good look for the Steelers, too. (Or black with the white jerseys.)[/quote]

    How about white pants with white helmets and gold jerseys?

    http://img14.imagesh... (drew that up while thinking about my no-white-jerseys fantasy world)[/quote]

    I don’t know…maybe if you reversed the colors on the helmet logo.

    I still like the yellow helmet. See post #77 for my rant on why.

  • M.Princip | November 22, 2009 at 12:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”362402″]Hey Andrew, I LOVE THIS!…i would personally keep the helmet white & “Flaming Thumbtack” logo. But it looks TERRIFIC.

    http://farm3.static....

    Yea, that’s what the Titans should look like.

  • M.Princip | November 22, 2009 at 12:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”362405″][quote comment=”362330″][quote comment=”362326″]That last set of tweaks from Andrew Wagner looks great, but the link for the Patriots’ blue alt appears to be missing.

    I think white pants could work for the Packers, especially if they went to green helmets. Green pants with the white jerseys could work, too.

    White pants would be a good look for the Steelers, too. (Or black with the white jerseys.)[/quote]

    How about white pants with white helmets and gold jerseys?

    http://img14.imagesh... (drew that up while thinking about my no-white-jerseys fantasy world)[/quote]

    I don’t know…maybe if you reversed the colors on the helmet logo.

    I still like the yellow helmet. See post #77 for my rant on why.[/quote]

    Great stuff for a High School team lookin’ to rip the Packers a bit.

  • Thomas Clark | November 22, 2009 at 12:56 pm |

    I’m not sure about the Brown top in the second set of Browns’ mock ups, but the rest of that set looks absolutely stellar. I am a big fan.

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 1:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”362403″]Phil, I would say NO to traditional teams going “New School”. I’m always game for new looks and modern designs but I believe the NFL is a good looking league…from the uni standpoint. Maybe a few tweaks here and there but I wouldn’t “modernize” any team’s uniforms.

    I’ve gotten used to the Cardinals unis, the Vikings & Patriots could use tweaks but that’s it in my book.

    I LOVE the Browns unis. Adding an orange stripe to the brown pants would be interesting.[/quote]

    If you’ve gotten used to the Cardinals, then everyone’s fair game, seeing as how they’re the oldest franchise. Not the most storied, mind you, but hopefully you get my point.

    I’m not advocating any old teams change. I sure didn’t want the Cards to change. But they did, and the sun still rises in the morning. If another old team does change (hopefully using Ricko’s logo-on-shoulder-yoke design), I’m guessing the sun will still rise the next day.

    Which brings to mind a thought for those who think we hate all change here: yeah, sometimes we jump all over a uni change, but you can’t label us as stuck in the past. Some designs are just hard to top. Keep trying, and someone will come up with a better design. But until that better design comes along, leave the good stuff alone.

  • LI Phil | November 22, 2009 at 1:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”362401″]White top, green pants, & yellow helmet, I like. You know Phil, you had said you don’t like the three being of different colors, however, would you say that it’s really a love/hate thing? If it works, it really works?[/quote]

    absolutely mike

    it’s totally a personal preference thing

    for example, you like this because it’s three colors…whereas, my OCD/analness feels helmets should match either pants or jerseys

    different strokes for different folks — which i why, say THE jeff and i will rarely agree on a uniform — doesn’t make either of us right, we just have different opinions

    gotta say, though, that duck combo (despite steel/carbon not being a school color) with the matte pants was one of their best (throwback being best) looks all season

  • Pretty Boy Paulie | November 22, 2009 at 1:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”362404″][quote comment=”362402″]Hey Andrew, I LOVE THIS!…i would personally keep the helmet white & “Flaming Thumbtack” logo. But it looks TERRIFIC.

    http://farm3.static....

    isn’t it great?

    better than one of the mocks i did for the titans, but if you want to sort of see andrew’s concept with the flaming tack white helmet, check out the fourth mock in this set

    same solid powder jersey/white pants but with the current helmet[/quote]

    Hmmmmm….I’ll go with: White Helmet/Flaming Tack/Single Sky Blue stripe or sans stripe. But now that I look at Andrew’s helmet idea, I’m liking his more and more. So it’s basically a coin flip up for me.

  • M.Princip | November 22, 2009 at 1:04 pm |

    Stop the presses! Seahawks wearing white tops and blue pants in Minny.

  • JohnnyO | November 22, 2009 at 1:06 pm |

    49ers of San Francisco visiting the Packers of Green Bay today. What a great uni matchup!

  • adam | November 22, 2009 at 1:09 pm |

    Oh, Washington, you’ve found a way to abominate a classic.*

    *i refer to Red over Red, or perhaps representative democracy itself.

  • MPowers1634 | November 22, 2009 at 1:15 pm |

    Paging Joe Skiba:::::::

    I like Jacobs Ion with the EGOP mask!

    http://www.sportsdep...

    The team looks sharp today, however Eli just threw a pick after the first 3 of 4 plays went for first downs.

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 1:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”362414″]Oh, Washington, you’ve found a way to abominate a classic.*

    *i refer to Red over Red, or perhaps representative democracy itself.[/quote]

    I got this one, leon…
    “Burgundy over burgundy!” ;)

  • LI Phil | November 22, 2009 at 1:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”362415″]Paging Joe Skiba:::::::

    I like Jacobs Ion with the EGOP mask!

    http://www.sportsdep...

    The team looks sharp today, however Eli just threw a pick after the first 3 of 4 plays went for first downs.[/quote]

    was gonna comment on the jerseys

    they look great — only one problem — the vector is visible now

  • Thomas Clark | November 22, 2009 at 1:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”362412″]Stop the presses! Seahawks wearing white tops and blue pants in Minny.[/quote]

    The Seahawks have fantastic unis if they would stop going monochrome. The blue top/white pant combo is solid as well. The white top/blue pant is great.

  • leon | November 22, 2009 at 1:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”362416″][quote comment=”362414″]Oh, Washington, you’ve found a way to abominate a classic.*

    *i refer to Red over Red, or perhaps representative democracy itself.[/quote]

    I got this one, leon…
    “Burgundy over burgundy!” ;)[/quote]

    Thanks, wingman.

    For what it’s worth, when they have worn this combo previously, it’s been at the request of the players.

  • Austin | November 22, 2009 at 1:29 pm |

    Hey could somebody try and do a mock up of an arizona diamondbacks jersey with diamondbacks on the front of the jersey? maybe using this

    http://www.sportslog...

    or some variation of it. and if possibe make it look at least somewhat good? please and thank you.

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 1:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”362418″][quote comment=”362412″]Stop the presses! Seahawks wearing white tops and blue pants in Minny.[/quote]

    The Seahawks have fantastic unis if they would stop going monochrome. The blue top/white pant combo is solid as well. The white top/blue pant is great.[/quote]

    I think the monochrome would work if they had neon green epaulettes and socks instead of the 2nd blue. It counters well with the “suicide blue” (I call it that because it’s quite depressing if you look at it too long).

  • MPowers1634 | November 22, 2009 at 1:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”362417″][quote comment=”362415″]Paging Joe Skiba:::::::

    I like Jacobs Ion with the EGOP mask!

    http://www.sportsdep...

    The team looks sharp today, however Eli just threw a pick after the first 3 of 4 plays went for first downs.[/quote]

    was gonna comment on the jerseys

    they look great — only one problem — the vector is visible now[/quote]

    Facemask question for Skeebs: Chris Canty suffered a detached retina in college necessitating a special facemask that he wore while with Dallas.

    http://atlantafalcon...

    Does he still wear that or a variation of it?

  • MPowers1634 | November 22, 2009 at 1:44 pm |

    I’be found this pic of Canty which looks as if it’s the same mask:

    http://a.espncdn.com...

  • jdreyfuss | November 22, 2009 at 1:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”362376″]Browns really ought to only go here and here.[/quote]
    Stick with the even stripes. Northwestern stripes look a little too much like the Steelers for comfort.

  • LI Phil | November 22, 2009 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”362421″]I think the monochrome would work if they had neon green epaulettes and socks instead of the 2nd blue. It counters well with the “suicide blue” (I call it that because it’s quite depressing if you look at it too long).[/quote]

    oh no you dih-ent…

    really?

    that’s the worst look anyone has yet suggested

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 1:49 pm |

    Nap time, then I’m off to see Akron U. in the NCAA soccer playoffs. Can’t wait to see that argyle UNC stripe this evening.

    Speaking of soccer and argyle, here’s an out-there idea for UNC (football or soccer): take my favorite uni http://www.nasljerse... and modify it into a UNC argyle jersey.

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 1:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”362425″][quote comment=”362421″]I think the monochrome would work if they had neon green epaulettes and socks instead of the 2nd blue. It counters well with the “suicide blue” (I call it that because it’s quite depressing if you look at it too long).[/quote]

    oh no you dih-ent…

    really?

    that’s the worst look anyone has yet suggested[/quote]

    Oh please, you know I could come up with a lot worse. ;)

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 1:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”362427″][quote comment=”362425″][quote comment=”362421″]I think the monochrome would work if they had neon green epaulettes and socks instead of the 2nd blue. It counters well with the “suicide blue” (I call it that because it’s quite depressing if you look at it too long).[/quote]

    oh no you dih-ent…

    really?

    that’s the worst look anyone has yet suggested[/quote]

    Oh please, you know I could come up with a lot worse. ;)[/quote]

    And that looks great, by the way. Thanks, buddy.

  • JDupe | November 22, 2009 at 2:12 pm |

    Ohio State stripped socks reaction? teams use to always wear socks at part of the uniform, usually with their sleeve stripes on their socks in college, but other than FSU ocassionally and PSU with the pro-style socks, there are really no other schools that use team issued long (striped) socks…I thought the OSU “throwbacks” were nothing like the 54 unis, but as long as the players like them (most of them did) and recruits like them, a one time deal isn’t too bad…but yah let’s go back to that Scarlet and Gray please, and maybe back to the old stripes on the sleeves…don’t mind the pant stripes on the sleeves, but the old stripes are classic, and if you want a throwback, go to the 1968 team with black tv numbers…sooooo good http://i.cdn.turner....

  • Reggie | November 22, 2009 at 2:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”362348″][quote comment=”362344″]”what if they (Packers) were to “change” or move into the “innovative camp”? Would we resist the change and hate it?”

    – Yes, I would never watch a game again, and I would want a refund on my wedding reception from Lambeau Field

    …”but what if they (Packers) were to go down the “modern” route? Would the world suddenly spin off it’s axis?”

    – Actually, good call, I wouldn’t be around to complain about the uni’s because we would all be sucked into oblivion.

    On a serious note…those pack redos with the should yolks were not THAT bad. If the Pack were to change their uni, they would have to go back to something REALLY old school like the yolks. See here:
    http://3.bp.blogspot...

    And here:
    http://www.fansedge....

    I meant discussion of total redesigns is sometimes empty cumflapping, especially for teams that everyone knows aren’t about to change much of anything. Commenting on how teams put together combinations of existing unis isn’t quite the same thing. Or what would be decent alts.

    Speaking of that, remember this one I threw together one Satuday?
    Not as a change, but strictly as a once-a-season, vintage-inspired alt. Maybe for the home game nearest the equinox (football, fall, Wisconsin and all). Yoke would be shallow enough in back so NOB could still be white, though. And it probably would have white TVs edged in forest on shoulders to comply with league rules…
    http://farm3.static....

    I did it so long ago that now I’m kinda separated from it…so can look at it with relative objectivity. And as an alt, I think it looks pretty good.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Do I even wanna know?

  • M.Princip | November 22, 2009 at 2:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”362428″][quote comment=”362427″][quote comment=”362425″][quote comment=”362421″]I think the monochrome would work if they had neon green epaulettes and socks instead of the 2nd blue. It counters well with the “suicide blue” (I call it that because it’s quite depressing if you look at it too long).[/quote]

    oh no you dih-ent…

    really?

    that’s the worst look anyone has yet suggested[/quote]

    Oh please, you know I could come up with a lot worse. ;)[/quote]

    And that looks great, by the way. Thanks, buddy.[/quote]

    It looks about as great as they’re playing. Not good. Blech!

  • BuckeyeMark | November 22, 2009 at 2:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”362353″]Visual phenomenon with TOSU’s unis yesterday…

    Because the pants were are as dark as they were, they edged closer to red on the light-dark scale than the normal gray.

    The result was that, on almost all the highlight packages I watched on different networks, the side of the pantlegs of players running started to look almost a kind of blend of rosey-pink and gray.

    A fluke, I know, but it was … different.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I noticed this too – and wonder how it would look different if there was a black stripe between the red stripe and the grey pant. I think visually you have to have that or it looks pink.

  • tom farley | November 22, 2009 at 2:34 pm |

    I’ve become a proponent of the idea that if you consistently win championships, the uniforms can stay the same. Yankees, Canadiens, Celtics and my beloved Packers come to mind. So when it comes to the Pack, I want the pants stripes to get smaller, and I want the sleeve stripes just above the elbow so much that I heartily endorse Ricko’s idea to put the stripes on the compression shirts. In other words, I want the Lombardi uniforms back.

    That being said, the Packers’ ideas you guys have put up are intriguing. Many of you know they’ve done gold jerseys over green pants before, in the early ’50s:

    http://www.profootba...

    In the same period, they did white jerseys over green pants, but they did it so few times that pictures are really hard to find.

    But I would want the helmets to stay gold. Athletic or metallic. Except for a brief time with white in the ’50s, the helmets have always been gold.

  • adam | November 22, 2009 at 2:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”362376″]Browns really ought to only go here and here.[/quote]

    I could not agree more.

  • Paul Lukas | November 22, 2009 at 2:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”362360″]Keep in mind these uniforms arent made to satisfy the tastes of 40+ year olds…they are geared at making 15-20 year old athletes go crazy about them and that is the reaction that they have received.[/quote]

    What you’re basically saying here is, “Like it or not, Nike is behaving like a bunch of corporate douchebags.”

    Yes, you have correctly identified what Nike has done: They’ve created a design program that’s intended to cater to one part of the fan base. Never mind all those other fans (and donors, and boosters) — just cater to a bunch of teenagers and fuck everyone else. Douchebags.

    So yes, that’s the program. And yes, many of us DON’T like it, and will continue to say so.

  • DenverGregg | November 22, 2009 at 2:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”362382″]Nice concepts, y’all.

    Denver Gregg, if I was doing a Top 5 of today’s concepts, your Titans and Seahawks designs would take the two top spots. Fantastic.

    Andrew’s red Bills alt would take the bronze. I always thought the Bills in red and the Pats in blue made more sense (the real patriots were fighting redcoats after all, not wearing them). Can’t wait to see NE’s classic unis done in blue.

    Phil, your putting the Steelers in white pants isn’t a bad idea, but I still like the yellow pants better. Although, if they wore my favorite unis http://www.weirdwolf... then I would welcome the white pants wholeheartedly.[/quote]
    Thanks, Jim! Even us old codgers can occasionally come up with a new idea.

  • adam | November 22, 2009 at 2:49 pm |

    can anyone point me toward pictures of the browns 1984 preseason jerseys? i’d love to take a gander.

    also. were i the owner of the Jags, texans or panthers, i would design a TBTC uni that would hark back to the team’s imaginary history. a uniform that felt like it was based on the Jaguar’s 1958 kit. I think that would be a fun idea.

  • leon | November 22, 2009 at 2:57 pm |

    Redskins RG Chad Rinehart has been injured and carted off. They are now playing a third string FA from UMd, who is wearing #50.

  • Steve | November 22, 2009 at 3:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”362438″]Redskins RG Chad Rinehart has been injured and carted off. They are now playing a third string FA from UMd, who is wearing #50.[/quote]

    The Skinnies have had unbelievable bad luck on the injury front. By the way, is it just me or does the all red look OK? Maybe it’s the lighting? It looks 100 times better than when they did it against the Steelers last year.

  • Thomas Clark | November 22, 2009 at 3:11 pm |

    Paul,

    Why have you gravitated toward personal attacks and name calling so often lately? I’m certain that you don’t welcome those that disagree with your opinion calling you a douchebag. I’m saddened at the tone this blog has taken recently with barbs being tossed about, nearly as many f-bombs as a locker room, and more childish name calling than a playground. You (and your readers) are above this, I’ve seen it, you write great articles and provide fantastic inside information.

    I don’t post on this board too often (I’ve been reading it for nearly 3 years), but I come here on a daily basis to read the opinions that you have. Whether I agree with them or not I find that the opinions here tend to help me understand my own likes and dislikes on uniforms far better. When these opinions resort to name calling or getting a point across with constant cursing I am feel frustrated and that certainly isn’t why I come here.

    I hope that there is a return to the fun, light-hearted Uni Watch that I came to love, with insightful articles (you still pump those out!) and great banter in the comments sections.

    Thomas Clark

  • BuckeyeMark | November 22, 2009 at 3:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”362440″]Paul,

    Why have you gravitated toward personal attacks and name calling so often lately? I’m certain that you don’t welcome those that disagree with your opinion calling you a douchebag. I’m saddened at the tone this blog has taken recently with barbs being tossed about, nearly as many f-bombs as a locker room, and more childish name calling than a playground. You (and your readers) are above this, I’ve seen it, you write great articles and provide fantastic inside information.

    I don’t post on this board too often (I’ve been reading it for nearly 3 years), but I come here on a daily basis to read the opinions that you have. Whether I agree with them or not I find that the opinions here tend to help me understand my own likes and dislikes on uniforms far better. When these opinions resort to name calling or getting a point across with constant cursing I am feel frustrated and that certainly isn’t why I come here.

    I hope that there is a return to the fun, light-hearted Uni Watch that I came to love, with insightful articles (you still pump those out!) and great banter in the comments sections.

    Thomas Clark[/quote]

    x1,000,000

  • JTH | November 22, 2009 at 3:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”362371″][quote comment=”362355″][quote comment=”362352″]That should be, nothing about players saying anything about the look.[/quote]
    So because nothing was mentioned in that blurb means the players had no opinion on the unis’ appearance?

    Thanks for clearing that up for me.[/quote]
    It means that the presumption of them hating the throwback look that seemed apparent in the previous posts was misguided. Just because they were asked about the look does not mean they all said they hated it and demanded to look like superheros instead.

    They very well have unanimously felt that way. But presuming that from an article that didn’t say a damned thing about what the players liked or didn’t like in regards to the look is nowhere near reasonable.[/quote]
    I never claimed that the players SAID they hated the way they looked. I just said that if they had loved them, they probably would have wanted to talk about them. The fact that they didn’t want to talk about them is quite possibly due to an “if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all” type of thing.

    And nowhere near reasonable? The first sentence in the article:
    Ohio State’s look received mixed reviews Saturday.

  • Paul Lukas | November 22, 2009 at 3:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”362440″]Paul,

    Why have you gravitated toward personal attacks and name calling so often lately? I’m certain that you don’t welcome those that disagree with your opinion calling you a douchebag. I’m saddened at the tone this blog has taken recently with barbs being tossed about, nearly as many f-bombs as a locker room, and more childish name calling than a playground. You (and your readers) are above this, I’ve seen it, you write great articles and provide fantastic inside information.

    I don’t post on this board too often (I’ve been reading it for nearly 3 years), but I come here on a daily basis to read the opinions that you have. Whether I agree with them or not I find that the opinions here tend to help me understand my own likes and dislikes on uniforms far better. When these opinions resort to name calling or getting a point across with constant cursing I am feel frustrated and that certainly isn’t why I come here.

    I hope that there is a return to the fun, light-hearted Uni Watch that I came to love, with insightful articles (you still pump those out!) and great banter in the comments sections.

    Thomas Clark[/quote]

    I appreciate your feedback and kind words, Thomas — thank you.

    I have not called any reader or commenter a douchebag; what I have done (and will continue to do) is to call out awful corporate-uni machinations as douchebaggery. Because that’s what it is.

    When people respond to such critiques by saying, “Duh, it’s just marketing, it’s just business, it’s supposed to appeal to the youth,” etc., I’ll continue to point out that this is a non-argument. Yes, we KNOW it’s marketing — the point is that it’s OFFENSIVE marketing. And I’ll continue to call it out as such.

    If you’re offended by words like “fuck” and “shit,” I’m sorry — honestly — but they’re going to come up from time to time. That’s how many people (or at least this person) actually talk.

    All of that said, I agree that my tone has occasionally been harsher than warranted in recent weeks. For that I apologize. Thanks again for pointing it out.

    Sincerely,
    Paul

  • Pretty Boy Paulie | November 22, 2009 at 4:00 pm |

    These were just a bloody mess….

    http://a.espncdn.com...

  • Pretty Boy Paulie | November 22, 2009 at 4:08 pm |

    ….and looking at this
    http://images.huffin...

    made me think of this…
    http://sexyfashionpi...

  • Adam W | November 22, 2009 at 4:11 pm |

    dont have a screen cap, but Roethlisberger just went down after taking a knee to the helmet. got hit so hard the stripe on his helmet was coming off in the back

  • Taxman | November 22, 2009 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”362440″]Paul,

    Why have you gravitated toward personal attacks and name calling so often lately? I’m certain that you don’t welcome those that disagree with your opinion calling you a douchebag. I’m saddened at the tone this blog has taken recently with barbs being tossed about, nearly as many f-bombs as a locker room, and more childish name calling than a playground. You (and your readers) are above this, I’ve seen it, you write great articles and provide fantastic inside information.

    I don’t post on this board too often (I’ve been reading it for nearly 3 years), but I come here on a daily basis to read the opinions that you have. Whether I agree with them or not I find that the opinions here tend to help me understand my own likes and dislikes on uniforms far better. When these opinions resort to name calling or getting a point across with constant cursing I am feel frustrated and that certainly isn’t why I come here.

    I hope that there is a return to the fun, light-hearted Uni Watch that I came to love, with insightful articles (you still pump those out!) and great banter in the comments sections.

    Thomas Clark[/quote]

    My observation: This blog has been a lot of fun over the last few days = especially as readers solicit opinions on “best ever for a team” or the great submissions of tweaks and re-workings of unis for teams that many of us love.

    It does seem to me that the negative or contentious talk is generally regarding the corporate stuff. Nike has annoyed a lot of Uni-Watchers and fans and alumni of schools with the riflery set. Discussion gets lively. The founder and owner of this blog has been consistent in his position on the corporate imposistion on this hobby of ours.

    I don’t see a problem with the blog.

  • daniel aka bryce harper | November 22, 2009 at 4:23 pm |

    what is that logo on the field at foxboro?

  • Reggie | November 22, 2009 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”362451″]what is that logo on the field at foxboro?[/quote]

    Gillette Stadium logo symbolized by the light tower and bridge.

  • Reggie | November 22, 2009 at 4:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”362451″]what is that logo on the field at foxboro?[/quote]

    Gillette Stadium logo symbolized by the light tower and bridge. http://upload.wikime...

  • Shaftman | November 22, 2009 at 4:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”362451″]what is that logo on the field at foxboro?[/quote]

    It’s the logo for Gillette Stadium.

  • jdreyfuss | November 22, 2009 at 4:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”362444″]These were just a bloody mess….

    http://a.espncdn.com...
    Honestly, if those had a gray helmet instead of white, it would look a lot better. I think people’s biggest problem with them is that they don’t look like Ohio State, not that they look bad. I recall someone saying that fans usually object to a team with a relatively stable uni history changing more than a team that changes more often.

  • jdreyfuss | November 22, 2009 at 4:43 pm |

    Goddamn Browns just couldn’t finish it off. What was Hank Poteat doing guarding Calvin Johnson anyway? Johnson’s a foot taller than him. He couldn’t do anything to cover him other than push him out the back of the end zone.

  • Paul Lukas | November 22, 2009 at 4:56 pm |

    Here’s something you don’t often see: On the last play of the 1st quarter, Jets are called for defensive holding. Quarter can’t end on a defensive penalty, so the Pats get to run another play with 0:00 on the clock. Said play turns out to be a TD, so they also kick the PAT. Two plays and seven points, all with 0:00 on the clock.

  • mako | November 22, 2009 at 5:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”362387″]That throwback Falcons uni from earlier this year is about the only time I can remember a football uni looking good when the helmet, jersey and pants are each a different basic color. In general, teams should stick to 2. Ie, IF the Packers were gonna go with white pants and a green jersey… that yellow helmet’s not gonna look good and you should consider a green one.[/quote]

    I agree wholeheartedly with that two-color rule – I HATE when teams have, i.e., black helmets, white jerseys, and gold pants (hello, Steelers). I might even propose a draconian corollary, just for grins: teams with metallic (gold/silver) or “light”-colored (but not white) helmets (49ers, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys, Saints, Lions) should only be allowed to wear pants of the same color. AND WITH MATCHING STRIPES! :-)

  • mwb | November 22, 2009 at 5:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”362393″]Just updated the Ducktracker with this logo that I worked up this morning:

    Duck O

    Also, put some green in the shoes. More indicative to what Masoli wore.

    Oregon Ducktracker[/quote]

    Does Oregon always have a white NOB with the white jerseys or was that just with the carbon numbers?

  • jeff from detroit | November 22, 2009 at 5:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”362457″]Here’s something you don’t often see: On the last play of the 1st quarter, Jets are called for defensive holding. Quarter can’t end on a defensive penalty, so the Pats get to run another play with 0:00 on the clock. Said play turns out to be a TD, so they also kick the PAT. Two plays and seven points, all with 0:00 on the clock.[/quote]

    the lions just did the same thing and won the game on the play. cle was called for pass int on a hail mary so the lions got an untimed play from the 1 yd line. they scored and kicked the pat for a 38-37 win.

  • Eric B in KC | November 22, 2009 at 5:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”362448″]dont have a screen cap, but Roethlisberger just went down after taking a knee to the helmet. got hit so hard the stripe on his helmet was coming off in the back[/quote]

    as he was walking to the bench? i saw that, too. i was hoping i wasn’t the only one. had my camera not been stolen, i would have gotten a screen grab.

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 5:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”362458″][quote comment=”362387″]That throwback Falcons uni from earlier this year is about the only time I can remember a football uni looking good when the helmet, jersey and pants are each a different basic color. In general, teams should stick to 2. Ie, IF the Packers were gonna go with white pants and a green jersey… that yellow helmet’s not gonna look good and you should consider a green one.[/quote]

    I agree wholeheartedly with that two-color rule – I HATE when teams have, i.e., black helmets, white jerseys, and gold pants (hello, Steelers). I might even propose a draconian corollary, just for grins: teams with metallic (gold/silver) or “light”-colored (but not white) helmets (49ers, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys, Saints, Lions) should only be allowed to wear pants of the same color. AND WITH MATCHING STRIPES! :-)[/quote]

    Only rule is that one team must wear white (yes, yes, there are some exceptions for thowoack games, I know).

    So you’re saying NFL should have even more rules telling teams what color combinations their unis would be, and how they should be striped? Pretty subjective, isn’ it? (Whoa, and people say some of US want “all teams to look alike”).

    Good luck with that.

    More importantly, answer this question: If you owed a team and there were such rules wouldn’t you be likely to think “What the hell are they doing telling me how I should dress my team? That’s MY decision.”

    Steelers have chosen to wear, at home, Black-black-athletic gold (helmet-jersey-pants). League mandates they also have a white jersey. If that’s all the Steelers chose to change, that’s their option. Period. Don’t need no stinkin’ rules about what color the pants should be, too.

    Could we apply a little reality here? Please? Just ONCE in a while?

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 5:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”362395″][quote comment=”362391″][quote comment=”362389″][quote comment=”362375″]The Browns may stink on ice at the present, but the unis are classic. They tried a “new, innovative” uni in the 1984 season, and it was horrific. It was so bad that they redesigned the home brown jerseys after the pre-season (plain orange numbers on a dark brown jersey – you couldn’t see the numbers from more than 5 feet away or on TV). It got so bad that they went back to the classic uniform set for 1985 and have stayed with them, with minor tweaks, ever since. The orange pants weren’t bad in the 70’s and 80’s. When I went to Bowling Green in the mid 80’s, the Browns uniform set was identical to BG’s with the exception of BG’s helmet logo. Considering the fact that the Browns 1st training camps were held at BGSU and that Paul Brown reportedly liked the burnt orange and seal brown color scheme and borrowed it for the Browns, it was fitting. As for the current brown road pants, both the pants and their primary proponent – Eric Mangini – need to go away, post haste.[/quote]

    I don’t find anything horrific about the Browns 1984 uniform. Maybe the preseason orange numbers didn’t work, but the white outlined in orange were good, and the pants had the proper stripe pattern, instead of being freakin backwards.

    I think it’s a damn shame they had to ditch that uniform after a single season. It was better than what they’re wearing now.[/quote]

    Everything’s better if new, right?
    They junked them because (and I was covering the NFL that year) even with the white outline they were deemed too hard to read. They may not have been, in and of themselves, but compared to the white on brown that everyone was accustomed to, they were harder to read.

    Plus, I think Cleveland fans just weren’t up for a change of something with so much history. Probably would be different if Browns were a team that changed often but, with the exception of the orange pants for awhile, wholesale change wasn’t their history.

    That history, btw, has had another 25 years tacked onto it since then.

    It’s okay, Mangini doesn’t grasp that, either.

    But he really knows pro football.
    (eyeroll)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Ricko, slow down. I agreed that the orange numbers were bad.

    Let me say this again.

    Orange numbers – bad.

    White numbers with an orange outline – good.[/quote]

    I know what you said. And I reported (not maintained, just reported) that even WITH the white outline “they were deemed too hard to read”.

    I didn’t to any deeming. The deeming was done by someone else. Hopefully, they didn’t do it twice because then they’d be a Browns re-deemer.

    And everybody knows the Great Mangini thinks that HIS destiny.

    How’d that go today, btw? LOL’

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 5:40 pm |

    btw, what’s with the Jets’ sleeves?

    Some of them look like little green awnings.
    Cute.

    They sponsored by a coffee shop these days?

    —Ricko

  • =bg= | November 22, 2009 at 5:45 pm |

    All I know is..the Cowboys beat the Redskins. WHO WERE WEARING ALL AND I DO MEAN -ALL- BURGUNDY.

    Erp.

  • mako | November 22, 2009 at 5:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”362462″][quote comment=”362458″][quote comment=”362387″]That throwback Falcons uni from earlier this year is about the only time I can remember a football uni looking good when the helmet, jersey and pants are each a different basic color. In general, teams should stick to 2. Ie, IF the Packers were gonna go with white pants and a green jersey… that yellow helmet’s not gonna look good and you should consider a green one.[/quote]

    I agree wholeheartedly with that two-color rule – I HATE when teams have, i.e., black helmets, white jerseys, and gold pants (hello, Steelers). I might even propose a draconian corollary, just for grins: teams with metallic (gold/silver) or “light”-colored (but not white) helmets (49ers, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys, Saints, Lions) should only be allowed to wear pants of the same color. AND WITH MATCHING STRIPES! :-)[/quote]

    Only rule is that one team must wear white (yes, yes, there are some exceptions for thowoack games, I know).

    So you’re saying NFL should have even more rules telling teams what color combinations their unis would be, and how they should be striped? Pretty subjective, isn’ it? (Whoa, and people say some of US want “all teams to look alike”).

    Good luck with that.

    More importantly, answer this question: If you owed a team and there were such rules wouldn’t you be likely to think “What the hell are they doing telling me how I should dress my team? That’s MY decision.”

    Steelers have chosen to wear, at home, Black-black-athletic gold (helmet-jersey-pants). League mandates they also have a white jersey. If that’s all the Steelers chose to change, that’s their option. Period. Don’t need no stinkin’ rules about what color the pants should be, too.

    Could we apply a little reality here? Please? Just ONCE in a while?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Whoa, dude, chill out, all right?

    “Pretty subjective, isn’t it?” Um, yeah – I kinda thought that was the point of allowing comments. Of course the NFL isn’t going to mandate such rules – well, not yet, anyway – and I’m not saying I think they should. I thought I was expressing a personal opinion, and trying to keep it light, too.

    “Could we apply a little reality here? Please? Just ONCE in a while?” Oh, okay – my bad. I forgot that all these reader-generated tweaks stand a VERY real chance of being adopted. I guess we should restrict our comments only to topics that might actually pass muster with an actual league.

    Sorry to sound pissy, but WTF?

  • Traxel | November 22, 2009 at 6:07 pm |

    http://www.youtube.c...

    Looks like Nike vs. KU next weekend.

  • jdreyfuss | November 22, 2009 at 6:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”362457″]Here’s something you don’t often see: On the last play of the 1st quarter, Jets are called for defensive holding. Quarter can’t end on a defensive penalty, so the Pats get to run another play with 0:00 on the clock. Said play turns out to be a TD, so they also kick the PAT. Two plays and seven points, all with 0:00 on the clock.[/quote]
    Same thing happened in the Browns-Lions game, as I alluded to one post earlier. Seriously, Hank Poteat. He’s like 5’5″ and can’t jump, yet he’s an NFL cornerback.

  • Eric B in KC | November 22, 2009 at 6:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”362468″]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP9cmI9ckdE

    Looks like Nike vs. KU next weekend.[/quote]

    damn, that was lame. i hope i don’t see that too often this week around here.

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 6:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”362467″][quote comment=”362462″][quote comment=”362458″][quote comment=”362387″]That throwback Falcons uni from earlier this year is about the only time I can remember a football uni looking good when the helmet, jersey and pants are each a different basic color. In general, teams should stick to 2. Ie, IF the Packers were gonna go with white pants and a green jersey… that yellow helmet’s not gonna look good and you should consider a green one.[/quote]

    I agree wholeheartedly with that two-color rule – I HATE when teams have, i.e., black helmets, white jerseys, and gold pants (hello, Steelers). I might even propose a draconian corollary, just for grins: teams with metallic (gold/silver) or “light”-colored (but not white) helmets (49ers, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys, Saints, Lions) should only be allowed to wear pants of the same color. AND WITH MATCHING STRIPES! :-)[/quote]

    Only rule is that one team must wear white (yes, yes, there are some exceptions for thowoack games, I know).

    So you’re saying NFL should have even more rules telling teams what color combinations their unis would be, and how they should be striped? Pretty subjective, isn’ it? (Whoa, and people say some of US want “all teams to look alike”).

    Good luck with that.

    More importantly, answer this question: If you owed a team and there were such rules wouldn’t you be likely to think “What the hell are they doing telling me how I should dress my team? That’s MY decision.”

    Steelers have chosen to wear, at home, Black-black-athletic gold (helmet-jersey-pants). League mandates they also have a white jersey. If that’s all the Steelers chose to change, that’s their option. Period. Don’t need no stinkin’ rules about what color the pants should be, too.

    Could we apply a little reality here? Please? Just ONCE in a while?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Whoa, dude, chill out, all right?

    “Pretty subjective, isn’t it?” Um, yeah – I kinda thought that was the point of allowing comments. Of course the NFL isn’t going to mandate such rules – well, not yet, anyway – and I’m not saying I think they should. I thought I was expressing a personal opinion, and trying to keep it light, too.

    “Could we apply a little reality here? Please? Just ONCE in a while?” Oh, okay – my bad. I forgot that all these reader-generated tweaks stand a VERY real chance of being adopted. I guess we should restrict our comments only to topics that might actually pass muster with an actual league.

    Sorry to sound pissy, but WTF?[/quote]

    Sorry I, too, sounded pissy. Everyone keeps offering these “design/color rules” and it gets a little old, that’s all. It’s like they don’t realize such rules would create almost exactly the kind of cookie cutter league that everyone here supposedly hates.

    I always want to say to them, “Lighten up, it’s beyond your control.” Say what you like or dislike, but uni choices are subjective…and such things are almost impossible to be covered by delineation.

    Like the discussion of what should be on the list of colors considered “light enough” to be an alternative to white. The concept is so unwieldy, from a league’s point of view, that it just makes no sense. Logistically and realistically, the least complex answer is for them to continue to say, “One team in white.”

    And, yeah, I AM kinda saying maybe these should be concepts that had a reasonable chance of being adopted. Tweaks, variations, possible alts, sure. But sending the Bills a blue and yellow uni? Might as well light the envelope on fire after you seal it…because, having been on the inside at different times in my career, I know how such things get treated.

    It’s like when I was in J-school. I hated interviewing anyone—especially faculty—for a story for a class assignment, a story that was never even gonna come close to being published. Seemed like a waste of both our time.

    In ad agency terms, it means only do work your clients actually might use…so you can bill them for it. LOL, I guess that’s REALLY my gut reaction.

    So, I apoligize for sounding like a cranky old fart. I just hate seeing effort wasted on what’s quite likely a china egg.

    (Actually, I had an idea that WOULD make such creativity worthwhile, and have discussed it with Paul, but giving any details now would be WAY too premature).

    —Ricko

  • Eric B in KC | November 22, 2009 at 6:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”362471″]It’s like when I was in J-school. I hated interviewing anyone—especially faculty—for a story for a class assignment, a story that was never even gonna come close to being published. Seemed like a waste of both our time.[/quote]

    thank you! i was a broadcast major with a journalism minor and i hated having to do that. i had to interview a police officer for one of my stories. i guess the instructors felt like law enforcement had nothing better to do than waste their time being asked ridiculous questions by some 19 year old punk for a 20 point class paper. i felt like apologizing at the end of every interview.

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 6:25 pm |

    UNI WATCH WINTER CLASSIC UPDATE….

    Including three “definite maybes”, we’re at about 20, including one from Missouri.

    All good, people.

    (and I’m not so grumpy in person, LOL)

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | November 22, 2009 at 6:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”362471″]I apoligize for sounding like a cranky old fart.[/quote]

    and

    [quote comment=”362471″]I’m not so grumpy in person[/quote]

    no need to apologize

    that’s why we love ya, rick!

  • Steve | November 22, 2009 at 6:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”362465″]All I know is..the Cowboys beat the Redskins. WHO WERE WEARING ALL AND I DO MEAN -ALL- BURGUNDY.

    Erp.[/quote]
    [quote comment=”362465″]All I know is..the Cowboys beat the Redskins. WHO WERE WEARING ALL AND I DO MEAN -ALL- BURGUNDY.Erp.[/quote]

    Let me guess, you’re a Cokeboys fan?

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 6:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”362465″]All I know is..the Cowboys beat the Redskins. WHO WERE WEARING ALL AND I DO MEAN -ALL- BURGUNDY.

    Erp.[/quote]

    Yes, they definitely were monotarded and leotarded today, weren’t they.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | November 22, 2009 at 6:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”362435″][quote comment=”362360″]Keep in mind these uniforms arent made to satisfy the tastes of 40+ year olds…they are geared at making 15-20 year old athletes go crazy about them and that is the reaction that they have received.[/quote]

    What you’re basically saying here is, “Like it or not, Nike is behaving like a bunch of corporate douchebags.”

    Yes, you have correctly identified what Nike has done: They’ve created a design program that’s intended to cater to one part of the fan base. Never mind all those other fans (and donors, and boosters) — just cater to a bunch of teenagers and fuck everyone else. Douchebags.

    So yes, that’s the program. And yes, many of us DON’T like it, and will continue to say so.[/quote]

    well said

    just to echo that, what nike is doing is damn nigh brilliant…all we’ve been doing is talking about these riflery unis for the past two weeks…love em or hate em…

    but, the fact remains that they ARE catering to 15 year olds (who, lets face it, have apparently far more purchasing power than i ever did at that age) …

    like i said in my main article, nike is filling a need that never existed, and doing it well — they didn’t create these unis because they wanted to — they did it because they could

    whether we agree or disagree with what the swoosh is doing, im sure we can all agree that they’ve done it well…if the kids like it, then obviously, they have succeeded

    who was it that said “there is no such thing as bad pub”? classic example here

    doesn’t make them any less corporate douchebags…just highly successful ones

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 6:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”362476″][quote comment=”362465″]All I know is..the Cowboys beat the Redskins. WHO WERE WEARING ALL AND I DO MEAN -ALL- BURGUNDY.

    Erp.[/quote]

    Yes, they definitely were monotarded and leotarded today, weren’t they.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Hey, there’s an idea for a nickname…

    The Washington Winos.

    Have the good sense to pick a group that never would be organized enough, or have money enough, to sue you.

    (Although maybe that’s what George Preston Marshall thought the first time).

    —Ricko

  • Joseph Skiba | November 22, 2009 at 6:41 pm |

    FYI: Canty is wearing the same mask as he did in Dallas…

  • Tom Farley | November 22, 2009 at 6:44 pm |

    (Although maybe that’s what George Preston Marshall thought the first time).

    —Ricko

    Yep. When he said “We’ll sign a black player when the Harlem Globetrotters sign a white player,” he probably didn’t foresee a day when he’d be told “Oh, you want to play in the shiny new stadium? You’d better get to work on signing a black player.”

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 6:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”362480″](Although maybe that’s what George Preston Marshall thought the first time).

    —Ricko

    Yep. When he said “We’ll sign a black player when the Harlem Globetrotters sign a white player,” he probably didn’t foresee a day when he’d be told “Oh, you want to play in the shiny new stadium? You’d better get to work on signing a black player.”[/quote]

    “Reality. What a concept.”
    —Mork

  • Joseph Skiba | November 22, 2009 at 6:47 pm |

    And don’t worry, vectors were popping of during the game…hahahaha

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 6:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”362480″](Although maybe that’s what George Preston Marshall thought the first time).

    —Ricko

    Yep. When he said “We’ll sign a black player when the Harlem Globetrotters sign a white player,” he probably didn’t foresee a day when he’d be told “Oh, you want to play in the shiny new stadium? You’d better get to work on signing a black player.”[/quote]

    Or the day the ‘Trotters would offer a contract to Pete Maravich.

    Well, they DID.

    —Ricko

  • mako | November 22, 2009 at 6:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”362471″][quote comment=”362467″][quote comment=”362462″][quote comment=”362458″][quote comment=”362387″]That throwback Falcons uni from earlier this year is about the only time I can remember a football uni looking good when the helmet, jersey and pants are each a different basic color. In general, teams should stick to 2. Ie, IF the Packers were gonna go with white pants and a green jersey… that yellow helmet’s not gonna look good and you should consider a green one.[/quote]

    I agree wholeheartedly with that two-color rule – I HATE when teams have, i.e., black helmets, white jerseys, and gold pants (hello, Steelers). I might even propose a draconian corollary, just for grins: teams with metallic (gold/silver) or “light”-colored (but not white) helmets (49ers, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys, Saints, Lions) should only be allowed to wear pants of the same color. AND WITH MATCHING STRIPES! :-)[/quote]

    Only rule is that one team must wear white (yes, yes, there are some exceptions for thowoack games, I know).

    So you’re saying NFL should have even more rules telling teams what color combinations their unis would be, and how they should be striped? Pretty subjective, isn’ it? (Whoa, and people say some of US want “all teams to look alike”).

    Good luck with that.

    More importantly, answer this question: If you owed a team and there were such rules wouldn’t you be likely to think “What the hell are they doing telling me how I should dress my team? That’s MY decision.”

    Steelers have chosen to wear, at home, Black-black-athletic gold (helmet-jersey-pants). League mandates they also have a white jersey. If that’s all the Steelers chose to change, that’s their option. Period. Don’t need no stinkin’ rules about what color the pants should be, too.

    Could we apply a little reality here? Please? Just ONCE in a while?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Whoa, dude, chill out, all right?

    “Pretty subjective, isn’t it?” Um, yeah – I kinda thought that was the point of allowing comments. Of course the NFL isn’t going to mandate such rules – well, not yet, anyway – and I’m not saying I think they should. I thought I was expressing a personal opinion, and trying to keep it light, too.

    “Could we apply a little reality here? Please? Just ONCE in a while?” Oh, okay – my bad. I forgot that all these reader-generated tweaks stand a VERY real chance of being adopted. I guess we should restrict our comments only to topics that might actually pass muster with an actual league.

    Sorry to sound pissy, but WTF?[/quote]

    Sorry I, too, sounded pissy. Everyone keeps offering these “design/color rules” and it gets a little old, that’s all. It’s like they don’t realize such rules would create almost exactly the kind of cookie cutter league that everyone here supposedly hates.

    I always want to say to them, “Lighten up, it’s beyond your control.” Say what you like or dislike, but uni choices are subjective…and such things are almost impossible to be covered by delineation.

    Like the discussion of what should be on the list of colors considered “light enough” to be an alternative to white. The concept is so unwieldy, from a league’s point of view, that it just makes no sense. Logistically and realistically, the least complex answer is for them to continue to say, “One team in white.”

    And, yeah, I AM kinda saying maybe these should be concepts that had a reasonable chance of being adopted. Tweaks, variations, possible alts, sure. But sending the Bills a blue and yellow uni? Might as well light the envelope on fire after you seal it…because, having been on the inside at different times in my career, I know how such things get treated.

    It’s like when I was in J-school. I hated interviewing anyone—especially faculty—for a story for a class assignment, a story that was never even gonna come close to being published. Seemed like a waste of both our time.

    In ad agency terms, it means only do work your clients actually might use…so you can bill them for it. LOL, I guess that’s REALLY my gut reaction.

    So, I apoligize for sounding like a cranky old fart. I just hate seeing effort wasted on what’s quite likely a china egg.

    (Actually, I had an idea that WOULD make such creativity worthwhile, and have discussed it with Paul, but giving any details now would be WAY too premature).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Man, this thread is getting too long for me. But I too apologize for flying off the handle; I’m not sure exactly why your comment rubbed me the wrong way, but it did, and I didn’t react well. So sorry.

    Basically, in fact, I agree with you; I was just trying to have fun with it. But I think two of your points are at least potentially contradictory: “Say what you like or dislike, but uni choices are subjective…and such things are almost impossible to be covered by delineation” and “maybe these should be concepts that had a reasonable chance of being adopted.”

    What constitutes “a reasonable chance of being adopted”? And who decides? I mean, yeah, a yellow-and-blue Bills uni would seem to be completely ridiculous – but I bet that if someone several years ago had posted the Bills’ current unis on here as a concept or proposal, a number of people here would have said there was no way in hell the Bills would be stupid enough to adopt them. Same with the “varicose pumpkins.” Same with the Seahawks unis (which I actually like). Same with the Islanders fish sticks unis. Same with those U. of Oregon unis. Same with (shudder) the “riflery” unis. Same with those, er, remarkable Tucson Toros unis. Same (in spades!) with the Colorado Caribous fringes. Etc., etc., etc.

    Sorry, again, for flying off the handle, and for prolonging this….

  • Tom Farley | November 22, 2009 at 6:51 pm |

    “Reality. What a concept.”
    —Mork

    By winning today, the Lions avoided becoming the first NFL team to ever lose 32 of 34 games, according to STATS, Inc.

    The only team since 1933 to win fewer than 3 games in a 34-game stretch? Marshall’s all-white Redskins, who went 2-29-3 from 1959-61.

    Karma. It’s a bitch, isn’t it?

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 6:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”362482″]And don’t worry, vectors were popping of during the game…hahahaha[/quote]

    Now if you could get ’em all to pop at once it might get you a key encroachment penalty.

    Hard count? Phooey. We just gang-pop our vectors.

    —Ricko

  • leon | November 22, 2009 at 6:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”362485″]“Reality. What a concept.”
    —Mork

    By winning today, the Lions avoided becoming the first NFL team to ever lose 32 of 34 games, according to STATS, Inc.

    The only team since 1933 to win fewer than 3 games in a 34-game stretch? Marshall’s all-white Redskins, who went 2-29-3 from 1959-61.

    Karma. It’s a bitch, isn’t it?[/quote]

    So what’s the Lion’s excuse?

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 7:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”362484″][quote comment=”362471″][quote comment=”362467″][quote comment=”362462″][quote comment=”362458″][quote comment=”362387″]That throwback Falcons uni from earlier this year is about the only time I can remember a football uni looking good when the helmet, jersey and pants are each a different basic color. In general, teams should stick to 2. Ie, IF the Packers were gonna go with white pants and a green jersey… that yellow helmet’s not gonna look good and you should consider a green one.[/quote]

    I agree wholeheartedly with that two-color rule – I HATE when teams have, i.e., black helmets, white jerseys, and gold pants (hello, Steelers). I might even propose a draconian corollary, just for grins: teams with metallic (gold/silver) or “light”-colored (but not white) helmets (49ers, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys, Saints, Lions) should only be allowed to wear pants of the same color. AND WITH MATCHING STRIPES! :-)[/quote]

    Only rule is that one team must wear white (yes, yes, there are some exceptions for thowoack games, I know).

    So you’re saying NFL should have even more rules telling teams what color combinations their unis would be, and how they should be striped? Pretty subjective, isn’ it? (Whoa, and people say some of US want “all teams to look alike”).

    Good luck with that.

    More importantly, answer this question: If you owed a team and there were such rules wouldn’t you be likely to think “What the hell are they doing telling me how I should dress my team? That’s MY decision.”

    Steelers have chosen to wear, at home, Black-black-athletic gold (helmet-jersey-pants). League mandates they also have a white jersey. If that’s all the Steelers chose to change, that’s their option. Period. Don’t need no stinkin’ rules about what color the pants should be, too.

    Could we apply a little reality here? Please? Just ONCE in a while?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Whoa, dude, chill out, all right?

    “Pretty subjective, isn’t it?” Um, yeah – I kinda thought that was the point of allowing comments. Of course the NFL isn’t going to mandate such rules – well, not yet, anyway – and I’m not saying I think they should. I thought I was expressing a personal opinion, and trying to keep it light, too.

    “Could we apply a little reality here? Please? Just ONCE in a while?” Oh, okay – my bad. I forgot that all these reader-generated tweaks stand a VERY real chance of being adopted. I guess we should restrict our comments only to topics that might actually pass muster with an actual league.

    Sorry to sound pissy, but WTF?[/quote]

    Sorry I, too, sounded pissy. Everyone keeps offering these “design/color rules” and it gets a little old, that’s all. It’s like they don’t realize such rules would create almost exactly the kind of cookie cutter league that everyone here supposedly hates.

    I always want to say to them, “Lighten up, it’s beyond your control.” Say what you like or dislike, but uni choices are subjective…and such things are almost impossible to be covered by delineation.

    Like the discussion of what should be on the list of colors considered “light enough” to be an alternative to white. The concept is so unwieldy, from a league’s point of view, that it just makes no sense. Logistically and realistically, the least complex answer is for them to continue to say, “One team in white.”

    And, yeah, I AM kinda saying maybe these should be concepts that had a reasonable chance of being adopted. Tweaks, variations, possible alts, sure. But sending the Bills a blue and yellow uni? Might as well light the envelope on fire after you seal it…because, having been on the inside at different times in my career, I know how such things get treated.

    It’s like when I was in J-school. I hated interviewing anyone—especially faculty—for a story for a class assignment, a story that was never even gonna come close to being published. Seemed like a waste of both our time.

    In ad agency terms, it means only do work your clients actually might use…so you can bill them for it. LOL, I guess that’s REALLY my gut reaction.

    So, I apoligize for sounding like a cranky old fart. I just hate seeing effort wasted on what’s quite likely a china egg.

    (Actually, I had an idea that WOULD make such creativity worthwhile, and have discussed it with Paul, but giving any details now would be WAY too premature).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Man, this thread is getting too long for me. But I too apologize for flying off the handle; I’m not sure exactly why your comment rubbed me the wrong way, but it did, and I didn’t react well. So sorry.

    Basically, in fact, I agree with you; I was just trying to have fun with it. But I think two of your points are at least potentially contradictory: “Say what you like or dislike, but uni choices are subjective…and such things are almost impossible to be covered by delineation” and “maybe these should be concepts that had a reasonable chance of being adopted.”

    What constitutes “a reasonable chance of being adopted”? And who decides? I mean, yeah, a yellow-and-blue Bills uni would seem to be completely ridiculous – but I bet that if someone several years ago had posted the Bills’ current unis on here as a concept or proposal, a number of people here would have said there was no way in hell the Bills would be stupid enough to adopt them. Same with the “varicose pumpkins.” Same with the Seahawks unis (which I actually like). Same with the Islanders fish sticks unis. Same with those U. of Oregon unis. Same with (shudder) the “riflery” unis. Same with those, er, remarkable Tucson Toros unis. Same (in spades!) with the Colorado Caribous fringes. Etc., etc., etc.

    Sorry, again, for flying off the handle, and for prolonging this….[/quote]

    I just meant trying to write down such rules would be pretty subjective, probably end with a list exceptions longer than the rule itself.

    As far a what might be accepted, the reality is teams either just do their unis themselves or hire consultants. Real fan input is minimal or non-existant until the get into focus groups and such (if that).

    And if you do send something, you have to have the judgement to imagine someone thinking, “Hey, this looks pretty good.” And most likely that will be a tweaking or variation, not a total redo.

    Would a smart photographer send his porfolio of “Nude fat women over 50 who live in trailer parks” to PLAYBOY and think there was a chance of publication? No. He’d be smart to temper his creativity with some sense of what would survive the filtering process.

    That’s what I was saying. And we can leave it at that, I hope.

    Okay?

    —Ricko

  • Tom Farley | November 22, 2009 at 7:02 pm |

    So what’s the Lion’s excuse?

    Matt Millen.

  • Geeman | November 22, 2009 at 7:19 pm |

    I hope the Mona Lisas of football uniforms remain untouched. Not sure you can modernize the classics. Could you modernize the Yankees? Ohio State football? UCLA basketball? Can you give the Mona Lisa an updated wardrobe? Make Jennifer Aniston a red head? Sure. Then it wouldn’t be Mona or Jen.

  • Flip | November 22, 2009 at 7:22 pm |

    ‘Cats and ‘Huskers break into the Top 5 from yesterday! Terrific. (I, too, am no fan of the black socks.)

    For all you design aficionados, here’s a chance to try out your skills for real: http://vancouver2010...

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 7:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”362472″][quote comment=”362471″]It’s like when I was in J-school. I hated interviewing anyone—especially faculty—for a story for a class assignment, a story that was never even gonna come close to being published. Seemed like a waste of both our time.[/quote]

    thank you! i was a broadcast major with a journalism minor and i hated having to do that. i had to interview a police officer for one of my stories. i guess the instructors felt like law enforcement had nothing better to do than waste their time being asked ridiculous questions by some 19 year old punk for a 20 point class paper. i felt like apologizing at the end of every interview.[/quote]

    I was lucky – while studying journalism I was the color commentator for Akron football and basketball. I was able to make that my “beat” for news writing class. I’d use our post-game shows and weekly press conferences for my quotes. Half the questions I didn’t even have to ask. I hate interviewing…even when I was paid to do it. I don’t even listen to most interviews now, because reporters ask the same old questions.

    Glad I wasn’t one of the reporters yesterday having to talk about the riflery unis…

  • Geeman | November 22, 2009 at 7:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”362477″][quote comment=”362435″][quote comment=”362360″]Keep in mind these uniforms arent made to satisfy the tastes of 40+ year olds…they are geared at making 15-20 year old athletes go crazy about them and that is the reaction that they have received.[/quote]

    What you’re basically saying here is, “Like it or not, Nike is behaving like a bunch of corporate douchebags.”

    Yes, you have correctly identified what Nike has done: They’ve created a design program that’s intended to cater to one part of the fan base. Never mind all those other fans (and donors, and boosters) — just cater to a bunch of teenagers and fuck everyone else. Douchebags.

    So yes, that’s the program. And yes, many of us DON’T like it, and will continue to say so.[/quote]

    well said

    just to echo that, what nike is doing is damn nigh brilliant…all we’ve been doing is talking about these riflery unis for the past two weeks…love em or hate em…

    but, the fact remains that they ARE catering to 15 year olds (who, lets face it, have apparently far more purchasing power than i ever did at that age) …

    like i said in my main article, nike is filling a need that never existed, and doing it well — they didn’t create these unis because they wanted to — they did it because they could

    whether we agree or disagree with what the swoosh is doing, im sure we can all agree that they’ve done it well…if the kids like it, then obviously, they have succeeded

    who was it that said “there is no such thing as bad pub”? classic example here

    doesn’t make them any less corporate douchebags…just highly successful ones[/quote]

    It’s one thing to cater to a segment of the population that lives on Mountain Dew, Skittles, and Fruit Loops. But tastes change, and that’s a diet that may give you a sugar rush but won’t get you through the whole game. I think anyone who caters to that demographic is selling itself short in the long run. I wasn’t a big fan of classic uniforms as a kid, but I was only a kid for a few years; as an adult, I’ve been a fan of the classics for years, and the balance of my life will be as an adult, with adult tastes (and purchasing power).

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 7:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”362456″]Goddamn Browns just couldn’t finish it off. What was Hank Poteat doing guarding Calvin Johnson anyway? Johnson’s a foot taller than him. He couldn’t do anything to cover him other than push him out the back of the end zone.[/quote]

    I like Keith Olbermann’s description, “Hank Poteat…formally of the Browns…called for pass interference in the end zone.”

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 7:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”362492″][quote comment=”362472″][quote comment=”362471″]It’s like when I was in J-school. I hated interviewing anyone—especially faculty—for a story for a class assignment, a story that was never even gonna come close to being published. Seemed like a waste of both our time.[/quote]

    thank you! i was a broadcast major with a journalism minor and i hated having to do that. i had to interview a police officer for one of my stories. i guess the instructors felt like law enforcement had nothing better to do than waste their time being asked ridiculous questions by some 19 year old punk for a 20 point class paper. i felt like apologizing at the end of every interview.[/quote]

    I was lucky – while studying journalism I was the color commentator for Akron football and basketball. I was able to make that my “beat” for news writing class. I’d use our post-game shows and weekly press conferences for my quotes. Half the questions I didn’t even have to ask. I hate interviewing…even when I was paid to do it. I don’t even listen to most interviews now, because reporters ask the same old questions.

    Glad I wasn’t one of the reporters yesterday having to talk about the riflery unis…[/quote]

    When were you at Akron? From late ’94 til about ’99, I worked with former Zip Rob Lyons. After he hung it up from pro footall (Browns, Vikings training camp) he became an excellent art director and illustrator.

    —Ricko

  • Steve | November 22, 2009 at 7:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”362478″][quote comment=”362476″][quote comment=”362465″]All I know is..the Cowboys beat the Redskins. WHO WERE WEARING ALL AND I DO MEAN -ALL- BURGUNDY.

    Erp.[/quote]

    Yes, they definitely were monotarded and leotarded today, weren’t they.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Hey, there’s an idea for a nickname…

    The Washington Winos.

    Have the good sense to pick a group that never would be organized enough, or have money enough, to sue you.

    (Although maybe that’s what George Preston Marshall thought the first time).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    What does that have to do with today’s Redskins? Who do you like anyway? Dallas?

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 7:37 pm |

    Keep your eye on the ball, and you could end up in the Grey Cup: http://static.cdn.mr...

    Montreal awaits the winner of the Calgary/Saskatchewn game.

  • Mark K | November 22, 2009 at 7:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”362457″]Here’s something you don’t often see: On the last play of the 1st quarter, Jets are called for defensive holding. Quarter can’t end on a defensive penalty, so the Pats get to run another play with 0:00 on the clock. Said play turns out to be a TD, so they also kick the PAT. Two plays and seven points, all with 0:00 on the clock.[/quote]
    Somewhat of an “old wives tale” or announcer-speak regarding a defensive penalty. Not positive of NFL rules but in NCAA and high school ball a period is extended for an untimed down if there’s an accepted live ball penalty by either team- offense or defense.

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 7:45 pm |

    [quote comment=\”362495\”][quote comment=\”362492\”][quote comment=\”362472\”][quote comment=\”362471\”]It’s like when I was in J-school. I hated interviewing anyone—especially faculty—for a story for a class assignment, a story that was never even gonna come close to being published. Seemed like a waste of both our time.[/quote]

    thank you! i was a broadcast major with a journalism minor and i hated having to do that. i had to interview a police officer for one of my stories. i guess the instructors felt like law enforcement had nothing better to do than waste their time being asked ridiculous questions by some 19 year old punk for a 20 point class paper. i felt like apologizing at the end of every interview.[/quote]

    I was lucky – while studying journalism I was the color commentator for Akron football and basketball. I was able to make that my \”beat\” for news writing class. I\’d use our post-game shows and weekly press conferences for my quotes. Half the questions I didn\’t even have to ask. I hate interviewing…even when I was paid to do it. I don\’t even listen to most interviews now, because reporters ask the same old questions.

    Glad I wasn\’t one of the reporters yesterday having to talk about the riflery unis…[/quote]

    When were you at Akron? From late \’94 til about \’99, I worked with former Zip Rob Lyons. After he hung it up from pro footall (Browns, Vikings training camp) he became an excellent art director and illustrator.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    \’88 to \’92.

    I covered the Zips for the \’91-\’92 seasons. I remember the name Rob Lyons, but don\’t recall working with him.

    Pretty nice working experience – along with covering a game at Veterans Stadium (and getting to punt during pregame…what a craphole that stadium was), I got to go to Minnesota, Chicago and Hawaii. I was also old enough to drink, so while the players had to go to bed after dinner, I got to hang out with the assistants in the bar.

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 7:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”362496″][quote comment=”362478″][quote comment=”362476″][quote comment=”362465″]All I know is..the Cowboys beat the Redskins. WHO WERE WEARING ALL AND I DO MEAN -ALL- BURGUNDY.

    Erp.[/quote]

    Yes, they definitely were monotarded and leotarded today, weren’t they.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Hey, there’s an idea for a nickname…

    The Washington Winos.

    Have the good sense to pick a group that never would be organized enough, or have money enough, to sue you.

    (Although maybe that’s what George Preston Marshall thought the first time).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    What does that have to do with today’s Redskins? Who do you like anyway? Dallas?[/quote]

    Has nothing to do with anyone being a fan of any team. Has to do with some long discussions here in the past week or so about the ‘Skins nickname and the Courts subsequent refusal to hear a case regarding their right to copyright the name.

    But the all burgundy IS ugly. For a pro football team.

    And I’ll ask, You have something against learning about/discussing the history/nickname of the Redskins?

    (For the record, have always kinda liked the Redskins, going back to Eddie LeBaron days…and had the chance to be peripherally inolved with them as my job, spending most of the ’83 season in D.C. Fun times. The city does love those Redskins. Past decade, though, has been mostly a disaster, as is the all-burgundy look).

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 7:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”362497″]Keep your eye on the ball, and you could end up in the Grey Cup: http://static.cdn.mr...

    Montreal awaits the winner of the Calgary/Saskatchewn game.[/quote]

    So much for the all-Western Grey Cup, eh?
    But Stamps could up with home field.
    When that last happen? Sonny Wade and the Alouettes, maybe?

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 7:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”362499″][quote comment=\”362495\”][quote comment=\”362492\”][quote comment=\”362472\”][quote comment=\”362471\”]It’s like when I was in J-school. I hated interviewing anyone—especially faculty—for a story for a class assignment, a story that was never even gonna come close to being published. Seemed like a waste of both our time.[/quote]

    thank you! i was a broadcast major with a journalism minor and i hated having to do that. i had to interview a police officer for one of my stories. i guess the instructors felt like law enforcement had nothing better to do than waste their time being asked ridiculous questions by some 19 year old punk for a 20 point class paper. i felt like apologizing at the end of every interview.[/quote]

    I was lucky – while studying journalism I was the color commentator for Akron football and basketball. I was able to make that my \”beat\” for news writing class. I\’d use our post-game shows and weekly press conferences for my quotes. Half the questions I didn\’t even have to ask. I hate interviewing…even when I was paid to do it. I don\’t even listen to most interviews now, because reporters ask the same old questions.

    Glad I wasn\’t one of the reporters yesterday having to talk about the riflery unis…[/quote]

    When were you at Akron? From late \’94 til about \’99, I worked with former Zip Rob Lyons. After he hung it up from pro footall (Browns, Vikings training camp) he became an excellent art director and illustrator.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    \’88 to \’92.

    I covered the Zips for the \’91-\’92 seasons. I remember the name Rob Lyons, but don\’t recall working with him.

    Pretty nice working experience – along with covering a game at Veterans Stadium (and getting to punt during pregame…what a craphole that stadium was), I got to go to Minnesota, Chicago and Hawaii. I was also old enough to drink, so while the players had to go to bed after dinner, I got to hang out with the assistants in the bar.[/quote]

    Think he was known as “Bobby” Lyons at Akron. DB. Played Safety in NFL. Was with Browns in ’89 or so, the year a bunch of Browns colored toes of their taped shoes orange late in the season. I asked Lyons about it, and he said, “Yeah, that was Web’s (Webster Slaughter) deal. Remember him walking around the locker room with his can of orange spray paint.”

    —Ricko

  • Taxman | November 22, 2009 at 7:56 pm |

    I’m a Baltimore guy that doesn’t like the ‘Skins much at all. The all-burgundy is not a good look and definitely not an NFL look. But I have always thought that the Redskins burgundy is the richest and best shade of the cardinal/dark red/burgundy/maroon spectrum.

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 8:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”362503″]I’m a Baltimore guy that doesn’t like the ‘Skins much at all. The all-burgundy is not a good look and definitely not an NFL look. But I have always thought that the Redskins burgundy is the richest and best shade of the cardinal/dark red/burgundy/maroon spectrum.[/quote]

    Sat in the office of Vince Promuto, a Redskin from the late ’50s (feather helmet era and before), once upon at time. Had his jersey framed on the wall behind his desk (no stripes, just white numbers and TV numbers). I was surprised how bright it was. Damn near magenta. Almost a pinkish cast to it. Didn’t appear to be faded; color was too even and the numbers were still nice and white.

    —Ricko

  • Steve | November 22, 2009 at 8:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”362500″][quote comment=”362496″][quote comment=”362478″][quote comment=”362476″][quote comment=”362465″]All I know is..the Cowboys beat the Redskins. WHO WERE WEARING ALL AND I DO MEAN -ALL- BURGUNDY.

    Erp.[/quote]

    Yes, they definitely were monotarded and leotarded today, weren’t they.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Hey, there’s an idea for a nickname…

    The Washington Winos.

    Have the good sense to pick a group that never would be organized enough, or have money enough, to sue you.

    (Although maybe that’s what George Preston Marshall thought the first time).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    What does that have to do with today’s Redskins? Who do you like anyway? Dallas?[/quote]

    Has nothing to do with anyone being a fan of any team. Has to do with some long discussions here in the past week or so about the ‘Skins nickname and the Courts subsequent refusal to hear a case regarding their right to copyright the name.

    But the all burgundy IS ugly. For a pro football team.

    And I’ll ask, You have something against learning about/discussing the history/nickname of the Redskins?

    (For the record, have always kinda liked the Redskins, going back to Eddie LeBaron days…and had the chance to be peripherally inolved with them as my job, spending most of the ’83 season in D.C. Fun times. The city does love those Redskins. Past decade, though, has been mostly a disaster, as is the all-burgundy look).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    No, I have no problem discussing the history of their name. My argument is that you considered all Washington Redskins fans, “Winos” based on the mistakes of a former owner.

    As a Washington native and a Redskins fan, I find it offensive and quite ignorant to attack us as ones to pick on a group not “organized enough or wealthy enough” to sue us. That is not fair to the fans, we do not make these decisions.

    This board is all about uniforms, so why aren’t you sticking to the fact that the all-burgundy sucks? You’ve got to throw in your 2 cents about how the Redskins aren’t righteous. This is not a political forum.

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 8:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”362504″][quote comment=”362503″]I’m a Baltimore guy that doesn’t like the ‘Skins much at all. The all-burgundy is not a good look and definitely not an NFL look. But I have always thought that the Redskins burgundy is the richest and best shade of the cardinal/dark red/burgundy/maroon spectrum.[/quote]

    Sat in the office of Vince Promuto, a Redskin from the late ’50s (feather helmet era and before), once upon at time. Had his jersey framed on the wall behind his desk (no stripes, just white numbers and TV numbers). I was surprised how bright it was. Damn near magenta. Almost a pinkish cast to it. Didn’t appear to be faded; color was too even and the numbers were still nice and white.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    This is actually very close to the color it was.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    or this color (sans loops, of course)…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    —Ricko

  • Taxman | November 22, 2009 at 8:16 pm |

    [quote comment=\”362506\”][quote comment=\”362504\”][quote comment=\”362503\”]I\’m a Baltimore guy that doesn\’t like the \’Skins much at all. The all-burgundy is not a good look and definitely not an NFL look. But I have always thought that the Redskins burgundy is the richest and best shade of the cardinal/dark red/burgundy/maroon spectrum.[/quote]

    Sat in the office of Vince Promuto, a Redskin from the late \’50s (feather helmet era and before), once upon at time. Had his jersey framed on the wall behind his desk (no stripes, just white numbers and TV numbers). I was surprised how bright it was. Damn near magenta. Almost a pinkish cast to it. Didn\’t appear to be faded; color was too even and the numbers were still nice and white.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    This is actually very close to the color it was.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    or this color (sans loops, of course)…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    —Ricko[/quote]
    This is the color I\’m talking about
    http://www.grandfung...

  • Taxman | November 22, 2009 at 8:18 pm |

    bad link – was supposed to be just Charley Taylor

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 8:20 pm |

    [/quote]Think he was known as “Bobby” Lyons at Akron. DB. Played Safety in NFL. Was with Browns in ’89 or so, the year a bunch of Browns colored toes of their taped shoes orange late in the season. I asked Lyons about it, and he said, “Yeah, that was Web’s (Webster Slaughter) deal. Remember him walking around the locker room with his can of orange spray paint.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yeah, I checked my media guide – I just missed him. Had I gone to college right out of high school we might have crossed paths.

    I think Paul posted a picture once of Web spray painting some orange shoes.

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 8:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”362505″][quote comment=”362500″][quote comment=”362496″][quote comment=”362478″][quote comment=”362476″][quote comment=”362465″]All I know is..the Cowboys beat the Redskins. WHO WERE WEARING ALL AND I DO MEAN -ALL- BURGUNDY.

    Erp.[/quote]

    Yes, they definitely were monotarded and leotarded today, weren’t they.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Hey, there’s an idea for a nickname…

    The Washington Winos.

    Have the good sense to pick a group that never would be organized enough, or have money enough, to sue you.

    (Although maybe that’s what George Preston Marshall thought the first time).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    What does that have to do with today’s Redskins? Who do you like anyway? Dallas?[/quote]

    Has nothing to do with anyone being a fan of any team. Has to do with some long discussions here in the past week or so about the ‘Skins nickname and the Courts subsequent refusal to hear a case regarding their right to copyright the name.

    But the all burgundy IS ugly. For a pro football team.

    And I’ll ask, You have something against learning about/discussing the history/nickname of the Redskins?

    (For the record, have always kinda liked the Redskins, going back to Eddie LeBaron days…and had the chance to be peripherally inolved with them as my job, spending most of the ’83 season in D.C. Fun times. The city does love those Redskins. Past decade, though, has been mostly a disaster, as is the all-burgundy look).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    No, I have no problem discussing the history of their name. My argument is that you considered all Washington Redskins fans, “Winos” based on the mistakes of a former owner.

    As a Washington native and a Redskins fan, I find it offensive and quite ignorant to attack us as ones to pick on a group not “organized enough or wealthy enough” to sue us. That is not fair to the fans, we do not make these decisions.

    This board is all about uniforms, so why aren’t you sticking to the fact that the all-burgundy sucks? You’ve got to throw in your 2 cents about how the Redskins aren’t righteous. This is not a political forum.[/quote]

    No, no, no, “winos” not “whiners”. Was a joke about the all burgundy unis. Look like big bottles of burgundy.

    Never said a WORD about the fans.

    —Ricko

  • The Jeff | November 22, 2009 at 8:26 pm |

    Better?

    http://img691.images...

    (still totally unnecessary though)

  • Steve | November 22, 2009 at 8:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”362510″][quote comment=”362505″][quote comment=”362500″][quote comment=”362496″][quote comment=”362478″][quote comment=”362476″][quote comment=”362465″]All I know is..the Cowboys beat the Redskins. WHO WERE WEARING ALL AND I DO MEAN -ALL- BURGUNDY.

    Erp.[/quote]

    Yes, they definitely were monotarded and leotarded today, weren’t they.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Hey, there’s an idea for a nickname…

    The Washington Winos.

    Have the good sense to pick a group that never would be organized enough, or have money enough, to sue you.

    (Although maybe that’s what George Preston Marshall thought the first time).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    What does that have to do with today’s Redskins? Who do you like anyway? Dallas?[/quote]

    Has nothing to do with anyone being a fan of any team. Has to do with some long discussions here in the past week or so about the ‘Skins nickname and the Courts subsequent refusal to hear a case regarding their right to copyright the name.

    But the all burgundy IS ugly. For a pro football team.

    And I’ll ask, You have something against learning about/discussing the history/nickname of the Redskins?

    (For the record, have always kinda liked the Redskins, going back to Eddie LeBaron days…and had the chance to be peripherally inolved with them as my job, spending most of the ’83 season in D.C. Fun times. The city does love those Redskins. Past decade, though, has been mostly a disaster, as is the all-burgundy look).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    No, I have no problem discussing the history of their name. My argument is that you considered all Washington Redskins fans, “Winos” based on the mistakes of a former owner.

    As a Washington native and a Redskins fan, I find it offensive and quite ignorant to attack us as ones to pick on a group not “organized enough or wealthy enough” to sue us. That is not fair to the fans, we do not make these decisions.

    This board is all about uniforms, so why aren’t you sticking to the fact that the all-burgundy sucks? You’ve got to throw in your 2 cents about how the Redskins aren’t righteous. This is not a political forum.[/quote]

    No, no, no, “winos” not “whiners”. Was a joke about the all burgundy unis. Look like big bottles of burgundy.

    Never said a WORD about the fans.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Alright Ricko, my apologies. I read into your comment too much.

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 8:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”362507″][quote comment=\”362506\”][quote comment=\”362504\”][quote comment=\”362503\”]I\’m a Baltimore guy that doesn\’t like the \’Skins much at all. The all-burgundy is not a good look and definitely not an NFL look. But I have always thought that the Redskins burgundy is the richest and best shade of the cardinal/dark red/burgundy/maroon spectrum.[/quote]

    Sat in the office of Vince Promuto, a Redskin from the late \’50s (feather helmet era and before), once upon at time. Had his jersey framed on the wall behind his desk (no stripes, just white numbers and TV numbers). I was surprised how bright it was. Damn near magenta. Almost a pinkish cast to it. Didn\’t appear to be faded; color was too even and the numbers were still nice and white.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    This is actually very close to the color it was.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    or this color (sans loops, of course)…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    —Ricko[/quote]
    This is the color I\’m talking about
    http://www.grandfung...

    We’re on same page, I think. Saying the burgundy seems to have varied a little over the years. I think for a time was more red, too.

    Never has been maroon, though, like their alleged “throwbacks” of a few years ago. At least not since maybe the Sammy Baugh era. I say that only because it looks SO dark in some of those black & white photos of ol’ #33.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 8:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”362512″][quote comment=”362510″][quote comment=”362505″][quote comment=”362500″][quote comment=”362496″][quote comment=”362478″][quote comment=”362476″][quote comment=”362465″]All I know is..the Cowboys beat the Redskins. WHO WERE WEARING ALL AND I DO MEAN -ALL- BURGUNDY.

    Erp.[/quote]

    Yes, they definitely were monotarded and leotarded today, weren’t they.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Hey, there’s an idea for a nickname…

    The Washington Winos.

    Have the good sense to pick a group that never would be organized enough, or have money enough, to sue you.

    (Although maybe that’s what George Preston Marshall thought the first time).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    What does that have to do with today’s Redskins? Who do you like anyway? Dallas?[/quote]

    Has nothing to do with anyone being a fan of any team. Has to do with some long discussions here in the past week or so about the ‘Skins nickname and the Courts subsequent refusal to hear a case regarding their right to copyright the name.

    But the all burgundy IS ugly. For a pro football team.

    And I’ll ask, You have something against learning about/discussing the history/nickname of the Redskins?

    (For the record, have always kinda liked the Redskins, going back to Eddie LeBaron days…and had the chance to be peripherally inolved with them as my job, spending most of the ’83 season in D.C. Fun times. The city does love those Redskins. Past decade, though, has been mostly a disaster, as is the all-burgundy look).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    No, I have no problem discussing the history of their name. My argument is that you considered all Washington Redskins fans, “Winos” based on the mistakes of a former owner.

    As a Washington native and a Redskins fan, I find it offensive and quite ignorant to attack us as ones to pick on a group not “organized enough or wealthy enough” to sue us. That is not fair to the fans, we do not make these decisions.

    This board is all about uniforms, so why aren’t you sticking to the fact that the all-burgundy sucks? You’ve got to throw in your 2 cents about how the Redskins aren’t righteous. This is not a political forum.[/quote]

    No, no, no, “winos” not “whiners”. Was a joke about the all burgundy unis. Look like big bottles of burgundy.

    Never said a WORD about the fans.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Alright Ricko, my apologies. I read into your comment too much.[/quote]

    Good, glad we cleared that up. I think ‘Skins fans are great. I had SO much fun that season back in ’83. Lotta work, but fun, too….especially once I found out which bar the players and the cheerleaders freqented after Sunday home games.

    A couple of the Redskins cheerleaders were pretty great, too, btw.

    (Damn. I’m way too young to be this old. LOL)

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 8:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”362501″][quote comment=”362497″]Keep your eye on the ball, and you could end up in the Grey Cup: http://static.cdn.mr...

    Montreal awaits the winner of the Calgary/Saskatchewn game.[/quote]

    So much for the all-Western Grey Cup, eh?
    But Stamps could up with home field.
    When that last happen? Sonny Wade and the Alouettes, maybe?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The Als had home field last year, but squandered it to the Stamps. Calgary blew its chance to host today, because the Roughriders beat them.
    http://static.cdn.mr...

    The better-looking team won today, IMO.

    Not sure who to root for next week. The Riders only have 3 Cup wins ever, but the Als have lost 5 Cups in 6 appearances since moving from Baltimore.

  • MPowers1634 | November 22, 2009 at 8:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”362459″][quote comment=”362393″]Just updated the Ducktracker with this logo that I worked up this morning:

    Duck O

    Also, put some green in the shoes. More indicative to what Masoli wore.

    Oregon Ducktracker[/quote]

    Does Oregon always have a white NOB with the white jerseys or was that just with the carbon numbers?[/quote]

    Masoli wears a Team Exclusive pair of Nike Speed TD cleats:

    http://michaelprinci...

    http://gojosports.co...

    I wear these for officiating.

  • MPowers1634 | November 22, 2009 at 8:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”362479″]FYI: Canty is wearing the same mask as he did in Dallas…[/quote]

    I thought so. Thanks, Joe. Good win today although you’ve all got a little more gray hair after that one.

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 8:42 pm |

    Ricko said:

    Good, glad we cleared that up. I think ‘Skins fans are great. I had SO much fun that season back in ‘83. Lotta work, but fun, too….especially once I found out which bar the players and the cheerleaders freqented after Sunday home games.

    A couple of the Redskins cheerleaders were pretty great, too, btw.

    (Damn. I’m way too young to be this old. LOL)

    —Ricko

    You do mean the real cheerleaders, right? Not the Hogettes? :)

    Just messin’ with ya. By the way, meet any Federals fans while you were there?

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 8:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”362515″][quote comment=”362501″][quote comment=”362497″]Keep your eye on the ball, and you could end up in the Grey Cup: http://static.cdn.mr...

    Montreal awaits the winner of the Calgary/Saskatchewn game.[/quote]

    So much for the all-Western Grey Cup, eh?
    But Stamps could up with home field.
    When that last happen? Sonny Wade and the Alouettes, maybe?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The Als had home field last year, but squandered it to the Stamps. Calgary blew its chance to host today, because the Roughriders beat them.
    http://static.cdn.mr...

    The better-looking team won today, IMO.

    Not sure who to root for next week. The Riders only have 3 Cup wins ever, but the Als have lost 5 Cups in 6 appearances since moving from Baltimore.[/quote]

    Tough one here, too. Remember little Markie Trestman (he had those incredible arched eyebrows even back then) riding his bike arond the McDonalds parking lot by my high school (for whom he later played QB). On the other hand, always kinda liked the Green Riders…with Hugh Campbell. Don’t know why, just always seem to identify with slow, skinny, white split ends and flankers.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 8:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”362518″]Ricko said:

    Good, glad we cleared that up. I think ‘Skins fans are great. I had SO much fun that season back in ‘83. Lotta work, but fun, too….especially once I found out which bar the players and the cheerleaders freqented after Sunday home games.

    A couple of the Redskins cheerleaders were pretty great, too, btw.

    (Damn. I’m way too young to be this old. LOL)

    —Ricko

    You do mean the real cheerleaders, right? Not the Hogettes? :)

    Just messin’ with ya. By the way, meet any Federals fans while you were there?[/quote]

    Definitely not Hogettes. No.

    No Fed fans, but Buddy Hardemann, who had played RB for them, sold ad space for the Redskins pub I was working with. He was a former ‘Skin, too.

    —Ricko

  • leon | November 22, 2009 at 8:51 pm |

    Steve
    As so often happens in this forum, discussions about the Redskins unis veer off into diatribes about the fact they were the last team to integrate and their nickname. Don’t take it personally; you’ll be a lot happier. As for the Burgundy, when Lombardi became coach the uniforms were redesigned and he gave the contract to some relative (this was 1969, remember) when they took possession of the jerseys, they discovered they were more of a “rose” color and it was too close to the season to change them.

    Have you hailed your Skins today?

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 8:51 pm |

    LOL…Obscure Redskins tradition from those early ’80s teams:

    Joe Theismann, Dave Butz and Mark Moseley always carpooled to RFK on Sundays in Mosely’s van. They had a superstition. Every roadkill they saw they had to run over it again.

    Ah, I say once more, see, you DO learn something new here every day. LOL

    —Ricko

  • Jeff P | November 22, 2009 at 8:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”362442″][quote comment=”362371″][quote comment=”362355″][quote comment=”362352″]That should be, nothing about players saying anything about the look.[/quote]
    So because nothing was mentioned in that blurb means the players had no opinion on the unis’ appearance?

    Thanks for clearing that up for me.[/quote]
    It means that the presumption of them hating the throwback look that seemed apparent in the previous posts was misguided. Just because they were asked about the look does not mean they all said they hated it and demanded to look like superheros instead.

    They very well have unanimously felt that way. But presuming that from an article that didn’t say a damned thing about what the players liked or didn’t like in regards to the look is nowhere near reasonable.[/quote]
    I never claimed that the players SAID they hated the way they looked. I just said that if they had loved them, they probably would have wanted to talk about them. The fact that they didn’t want to talk about them is quite possibly due to an “if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all” type of thing.

    And nowhere near reasonable? The first sentence in the article:
    Ohio State’s look received mixed reviews Saturday.[/quote]

    That’s the unreasonable assumption. There is no real basis for that except for your line of thought, and you followed from that and basically came across as attacking all the students as wanting to look like superheros and having no appreciation of a classic design whatsoever.

    All I’m saying is that while that may be true, in whole or part, it’s not justified by that article.

  • LI Phil | November 22, 2009 at 9:00 pm |

    this one is for jim vilk

    (not sure who suggested it originally, might have been jeff p or THE jeff)

    i could actually really like this

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 9:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”362524″]this one is for jim vilk

    (not sure who suggested it originally, might have been jeff p or THE jeff)

    i could actually really like this[/quote]

    Thoughit would look good. For today’s styles, probably should continue up a side panel on the jersey, too.

    Problem is, the pseudo post-modernists would say it’s too bound by convention….still basically a stripe.

    —Ricko

  • The Jeff | November 22, 2009 at 9:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”362524″]this one is for jim vilk

    (not sure who suggested it originally, might have been jeff p or THE jeff)

    i could actually really like this[/quote]

    Wasn’t my suggestion, but throw in a matching helmet stripe and I’d be alright with it.

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 9:05 pm |

    Although the Grey Cup is a week away, there’s another championship tonight. MLS Cup 2009, between LA Galaxy and Real Salt Lake.
    http://a.espncdn.com...

    Thanks, MLS, for depriving me of the one English-speaking soccer broadcast I get to see all year. No more ABC, it’s on ESPN.

    I have no real favorite in this one. I’m a DC fan and they didn’t make the playoffs. Too bad Seattle couldn’t have played on its home turf. Woulda been good to have some neon green in the final…

    By the way, I saw Akron beat USF 2-0 today.
    http://image.cdnl3.x...
    Undefeated, ranked number one and now into the Sweet Sixteen of the NCAA tourney. The unis are too plain, though.

  • Jeff P | November 22, 2009 at 9:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”362524″]this one is for jim vilk

    (not sure who suggested it originally, might have been jeff p or THE jeff)

    i could actually really like this[/quote]

    ‘Twas me.

    And I’m not so sure about it. The detail doesn’t seem like it translates well to a football uniform. But then you think about what Hawaii does…

    If we could have a sleeve stripe to match I think it could work. But that’ll never happen.

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 9:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”362524″]this one is for jim vilk

    (not sure who suggested it originally, might have been jeff p or THE jeff)

    i could actually really like this[/quote]

    YES!

    I love it. That was Jeff P.’s idea. Wow. I won’t even be a smary and ask for argyle socks now…

  • LI Phil | November 22, 2009 at 9:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”362528″]If we could have a sleeve stripe to match I think it could work. But that’ll never happen.[/quote]

    right

    we’d need a sleeve first

  • LI Phil | November 22, 2009 at 9:16 pm |

    OH…and you wanna know what’s funny about that (i wish i could say photoshop — still using MS paint, unfortunately)…

    i actually had to SHORTEN the basketball player stripe (on NC, no less) to fit the football player pant leg

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 9:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”362530″][quote comment=”362524″]this one is for jim vilk

    (not sure who suggested it originally, might have been jeff p or THE jeff)

    i could actually really like this[/quote]

    YES!

    I love it. That was Jeff P.’s idea. Wow. I won’t even be a smary and ask for argyle socks now…[/quote]

    Played against a softball team long time ago that’s only uni elmement was Arygyle kneehighs. Team name? The Hollywood Argyles.

    “Alley Oop” (look it up, LOL)

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 9:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”362522″]LOL…Obscure Redskins tradition from those early ’80s teams:

    Joe Theismann, Dave Butz and Mark Moseley always carpooled to RFK on Sundays in Mosely’s van. They had a superstition. Every roadkill they saw they had to run over it again.

    Ah, I say once more, see, you DO learn something new here every day. LOL

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I loved Mark Moseley…even when he was a Brown. I used to split my time kicking like him, then kicking soccer-style. If I would have stuck with one method I might have gone from being a mediocre kicker…to a slightly less mediocre kicker – one that might have actually made it past the tryout stages.

  • JTH | November 22, 2009 at 9:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”362523″]
    That’s the unreasonable assumption. There is no real basis for that except for your line of thought, and you followed from that and basically came across as attacking all the students as wanting to look like superheros and having no appreciation of a classic design whatsoever.
    [/quote]
    What the fuck are you talking about?

    Please find ANYWHERE in my previous comments where I do anything even remotely close to “attacking all the students” or where I make mention of something akin to the word “superheroes” or where I imply that they have no appreciation of classic design.

  • Nick J | November 22, 2009 at 9:27 pm |

    I just want to go on record that I HATE those Browns “modernizations.”

    Quick story: I grew up a huge Denver Broncos fan (I liked horses and orange is my favourite colour), but when they went from Orange Crush to Blue Crush, I dropped them. I stopped watching the NFL until about 2002, at which point I picked up the Browns because of their never-change philosophy on uniforms. That said, I’m not really a big Browns fan, and at this point, I’m more of a general football fan with a slight preference for the Browns. I just can’t imagine them looking like anything other than how they look now, though. Ugh!

  • JimV19 | November 22, 2009 at 9:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”362528″][quote comment=”362524″]this one is for jim vilk

    (not sure who suggested it originally, might have been jeff p or THE jeff)

    i could actually really like this[/quote]

    ‘Twas me.

    And I’m not so sure about it. The detail doesn’t seem like it translates well to a football uniform. But then you think about what Hawaii does…

    If we could have a sleeve stripe to match I think it could work. But that’ll never happen.[/quote]

    Or a helmet stripe?

  • JTH | November 22, 2009 at 9:39 pm |

    So that was, what, the 10th holding call against the Bears tonight?

  • Help | November 22, 2009 at 9:42 pm |

    Browns uni should look like this:
    http://www.sportsmem...

    Jim Brown is the Browns. Go with what works Einsteins,

  • Help | November 22, 2009 at 9:42 pm |
  • Jeff P | November 22, 2009 at 9:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”362535″][quote comment=”362523″]
    That’s the unreasonable assumption. There is no real basis for that except for your line of thought, and you followed from that and basically came across as attacking all the students as wanting to look like superheros and having no appreciation of a classic design whatsoever.
    [/quote]
    What the fuck are you talking about?

    Please find ANYWHERE in my previous comments where I do anything even remotely close to “attacking all the students” or where I make mention of something akin to the word “superheroes” or where I imply that they have no appreciation of classic design.[/quote]

    Sorry, it was scott, the guy who you originally quoted when responding to the article:

    “Players don’t seem to mind questions when the uniform sets are new and revolutionary, but they are bothered when the uniforms are throwbacks?”

    He also posted this:
    “OK, so if the players were told these were modernistic, futuristic uniforms, they would have been just fine with them?”

    I got that vibe from him, not you. Sorry about that, names got lost.

    However, it really is still a completely invented line of reasoning to assume that they hated them based on their not liking reporters shoving mics in their face more they they’re used to. And since you drew the conclusion that they were ugly from that, I assumed you were agreeing with the previous comments about students being anti throwback and pro ‘new and superhero’. Sorry about the confusion.

  • Jeff P | November 22, 2009 at 9:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”362538″][quote comment=”362528″][quote comment=”362524″]this one is for jim vilk

    (not sure who suggested it originally, might have been jeff p or THE jeff)

    i could actually really like this[/quote]

    ‘Twas me.

    And I’m not so sure about it. The detail doesn’t seem like it translates well to a football uniform. But then you think about what Hawaii does…

    If we could have a sleeve stripe to match I think it could work. But that’ll never happen.[/quote]

    Or a helmet stripe?[/quote]

    Eh, I don’t think so. Helmet stripes aren’t large enough to really balance it out, especially when you’re talking about a pretty fine detail. I think something needs to be done with the jersey, but underarm panels look bad. That leaves the sleeve.

  • JohnnyO | November 22, 2009 at 9:48 pm |

    I know he has been doing it almost all year… but I love Lovie’s old school cap on the sidelines.

    Am I allowed to say that as a Packer fan?

  • Tom Farley | November 22, 2009 at 9:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”362544″]I know he has been doing it almost all year… but I love Lovie’s old school cap on the sidelines.

    Am I allowed to say that as a Packer fan?[/quote]

    Lovie’s a class act, JohnnyO. Special dispensation. :-)

  • JTH | November 22, 2009 at 10:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”362542″][quote comment=”362535″][quote comment=”362523″]
    That’s the unreasonable assumption. There is no real basis for that except for your line of thought, and you followed from that and basically came across as attacking all the students as wanting to look like superheros and having no appreciation of a classic design whatsoever.
    [/quote]
    What the fuck are you talking about?

    Please find ANYWHERE in my previous comments where I do anything even remotely close to “attacking all the students” or where I make mention of something akin to the word “superheroes” or where I imply that they have no appreciation of classic design.[/quote]

    Sorry, it was scott, the guy who you originally quoted when responding to the article:

    “Players don’t seem to mind questions when the uniform sets are new and revolutionary, but they are bothered when the uniforms are throwbacks?”

    He also posted this:
    “OK, so if the players were told these were modernistic, futuristic uniforms, they would have been just fine with them?”

    I got that vibe from him, not you. Sorry about that, names got lost.

    However, it really is still a completely invented line of reasoning to assume that they hated them based on their not liking reporters shoving mics in their face more they they’re used to. And since you drew the conclusion that they were ugly from that, I assumed you were agreeing with the previous comments about students being anti throwback and pro ‘new and superhero’. Sorry about the confusion.[/quote]
    Whatever. Reporters are always talking to them, especially at this time of year. The gist of the article was that they didn’t like answering questions about the unis.

    I stand by my earlier speculation that if they had actually liked the uniforms, they would have been more than happy to share those thoughts with the media. You disagree. Let’s leave it at that.

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 10:18 pm |

    UNI WATCH WINTER CLASSIC…

    Lotta good stuff happening. Cash in your savings bonds and look for cheap air fares.

    Stay tuned.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | November 22, 2009 at 10:24 pm |

    is it possible that the tOSU players were actually trying to explain nike’s machinations to the reporters, who, in their exuberance to justify these travesties as throwbacks, were failing to hear the players exasperations that the uniforms were not, indeed, correct reproductions of the 1956 uniforms, as they were lacking in both detail and historical accuracy…and the players were merely frustrated at said reporters inability to comprehend the failure of beaverton to even remotely replicate the five decade old uniform?

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 10:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”362548″]is it possible that the tOSU players were actually trying to explain nike’s machinations to the reporters, who, in their exuberance to justify these travesties as throwbacks, were failing to hear the players exasperations that the uniforms were not, indeed, correct reproductions of the 1956 uniforms, as they were lacking in both detail and historical accuracy…and the players were merely frustrated at said reporters inability to comprehend the failure of beaverton to even remotely replicate the five decade old uniform?[/quote]

    Perchance they were.

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 10:50 pm |

    Johnny O, you pondering Pond Hockey?
    Don’t tell me, I know, you’re playing golf in Biloxi that weekend.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 10:53 pm |

    btw, one of the TC local responders said he’d be interested in playing on a pond hockey team…so if any other UW readers will be playing and are looking for one more, email me at the link in the UW Winter Classic entry. I’ll get you in touch with each other.

    —Ricko

  • Chuck | November 22, 2009 at 10:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”362460″][quote comment=”362457″]Here’s something you don’t often see: On the last play of the 1st quarter, Jets are called for defensive holding. Quarter can’t end on a defensive penalty, so the Pats get to run another play with 0:00 on the clock. Said play turns out to be a TD, so they also kick the PAT. Two plays and seven points, all with 0:00 on the clock.[/quote]

    the lions just did the same thing and won the game on the play. cle was called for pass int on a hail mary so the lions got an untimed play from the 1 yd line. they scored and kicked the pat for a 38-37 win.[/quote]
    [quote comment=”362460″][quote comment=”362457″]Here’s something you don’t often see: On the last play of the 1st quarter, Jets are called for defensive holding. Quarter can’t end on a defensive penalty, so the Pats get to run another play with 0:00 on the clock. Said play turns out to be a TD, so they also kick the PAT. Two plays and seven points, all with 0:00 on the clock.[/quote]

    the lions just did the same thing and won the game on the play. cle was called for pass int on a hail mary so the lions got an untimed play from the 1 yd line. they scored and kicked the pat for a 38-37 win.[/quote]

    oi vey! :-(

  • Mickel | November 22, 2009 at 11:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”362412″]Stop the presses! Seahawks wearing white tops and blue pants in Minny.[/quote]

    WOW! they must have really wanted a win. This is only the second time they wore them and the last was in 2005. Nice to see them again

  • Mickel | November 22, 2009 at 11:03 pm |

    Oh, btw, funny helmet emblems used here http://www.sinfest.n...

  • JohnnyO | November 22, 2009 at 11:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”362550″]Johnny O, you pondering Pond Hockey?
    Don’t tell me, I know, you’re playing golf in Biloxi that weekend.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I have been meaning to respond to ya Ricko. The TC is just a short 5 hour trek from Southern Wisconsin. Unfortunately I don’t skate. Well, I can skate, but not enough to play hockey. I would love to come up though just to hang out if that is possible. I have been To Matt’s Bar and had a “Jucy Lucy” this past summer, and I am hankering for more! I want to try the 5-8 Club this time around. I have many family and friends in the TC, so I probably wouldn’t need a hotel. I will for sure let you know ASAP if I do plan on coming. I would love to take in a T-Wolves or Wild game with the Uni Watch faithful!

  • Jefferson D | November 22, 2009 at 11:13 pm |

    Dear Phil and his band of brothers,

    Please stop tweaking uniforms. It is no longer interesting to read. I understand that a lot can be done with Photoshop, but please calm down with it.

    Thanks,
    Jeff

  • JohnnyO | November 22, 2009 at 11:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”362554″]Could someone who has (a) a DVR and (b) a high-def TV please contact me?

    Thanks,
    Paul (who, incredibly, has neither (a) nor (b))[/quote]

    I have both Paul…what’s up?

  • Ricko | November 22, 2009 at 11:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”362557″][quote comment=”362550″]Johnny O, you pondering Pond Hockey?
    Don’t tell me, I know, you’re playing golf in Biloxi that weekend.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I have been meaning to respond to ya Ricko. The TC is just a short 5 hour trek from Southern Wisconsin. Unfortunately I don’t skate. Well, I can skate, but not enough to play hockey. I would love to come up though just to hang out if that is possible. I have been To Matt’s Bar and had a “Jucy Lucy” this past summer, and I am hankering for more! I want to try the 5-8 Club this time around. I have many family and friends in the TC, so I probably wouldn’t need a hotel. I will for sure let you know ASAP if I do plan on coming. I would love to take in a T-Wolves or Wild game with the Uni Watch faithful![/quote]

    We aren’t gonna play, just look at unis (and as many as have cameras take photos), watch and realize we’re actually stupid enough to be out there together. Then we’ll go eat, drink and perhaps in the evening attend a game where the creature comforts are a tad better.

    Shoot, I haven’t been on skates in 30 years.

    —-Ricko

  • Paul Lukas | November 22, 2009 at 11:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”362559″][quote comment=”362554″]Could someone who has (a) a DVR and (b) a high-def TV please contact me?

    Thanks,
    Paul (who, incredibly, has neither (a) nor (b))[/quote]

    I have both Paul…what’s up?[/quote]

    Already taken care of. But thanks, John!

  • JohnnyO | November 22, 2009 at 11:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”362561″][quote comment=”362559″][quote comment=”362554″]Could someone who has (a) a DVR and (b) a high-def TV please contact me?

    Thanks,
    Paul (who, incredibly, has neither (a) nor (b))[/quote]

    Awwwwww… I love little assignments. Especially if it is for Uni Watch and involving my beautiful HDTV w/ DVR. Glad it was taken care of though.
    I have both Paul…what’s up?[/quote]

    Already taken care of. But thanks, John![/quote]

  • jdreyfuss | November 22, 2009 at 11:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”362514″][quote comment=”362512″][quote comment=”362510″][quote comment=”362505″][quote comment=”362500″][quote comment=”362496″][quote comment=”362478″][quote comment=”362476″][quote comment=”362465″]All I know is..the Cowboys beat the Redskins. WHO WERE WEARING ALL AND I DO MEAN -ALL- BURGUNDY.

    Erp.[/quote]

    Yes, they definitely were monotarded and leotarded today, weren’t they.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Hey, there’s an idea for a nickname…

    The Washington Winos.

    Have the good sense to pick a group that never would be organized enough, or have money enough, to sue you.

    (Although maybe that’s what George Preston Marshall thought the first time).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    What does that have to do with today’s Redskins? Who do you like anyway? Dallas?[/quote]

    Has nothing to do with anyone being a fan of any team. Has to do with some long discussions here in the past week or so about the ‘Skins nickname and the Courts subsequent refusal to hear a case regarding their right to copyright the name.

    But the all burgundy IS ugly. For a pro football team.

    And I’ll ask, You have something against learning about/discussing the history/nickname of the Redskins?

    (For the record, have always kinda liked the Redskins, going back to Eddie LeBaron days…and had the chance to be peripherally inolved with them as my job, spending most of the ’83 season in D.C. Fun times. The city does love those Redskins. Past decade, though, has been mostly a disaster, as is the all-burgundy look).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    No, I have no problem discussing the history of their name. My argument is that you considered all Washington Redskins fans, “Winos” based on the mistakes of a former owner.

    As a Washington native and a Redskins fan, I find it offensive and quite ignorant to attack us as ones to pick on a group not “organized enough or wealthy enough” to sue us. That is not fair to the fans, we do not make these decisions.

    This board is all about uniforms, so why aren’t you sticking to the fact that the all-burgundy sucks? You’ve got to throw in your 2 cents about how the Redskins aren’t righteous. This is not a political forum.[/quote]

    No, no, no, “winos” not “whiners”. Was a joke about the all burgundy unis. Look like big bottles of burgundy.

    Never said a WORD about the fans.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Alright Ricko, my apologies. I read into your comment too much.[/quote]

    Good, glad we cleared that up. I think ‘Skins fans are great. I had SO much fun that season back in ’83. Lotta work, but fun, too….especially once I found out which bar the players and the cheerleaders freqented after Sunday home games.

    A couple of the Redskins cheerleaders were pretty great, too, btw.

    (Damn. I’m way too young to be this old. LOL)

    —Ricko[/quote]
    I can’t remember if he was still playing in 1983 or if his last season was ’82, but did you ever meet a guard named Melvin Jones? He was their 7th round pick in 1980, out of Houston. I worked with him for 2 years.

  • jdreyfuss | November 22, 2009 at 11:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”362549″][quote comment=”362548″]is it possible that the tOSU players were actually trying to explain nike’s machinations to the reporters, who, in their exuberance to justify these travesties as throwbacks, were failing to hear the players exasperations that the uniforms were not, indeed, correct reproductions of the 1956 uniforms, as they were lacking in both detail and historical accuracy…and the players were merely frustrated at said reporters inability to comprehend the failure of beaverton to even remotely replicate the five decade old uniform?[/quote]

    Perchance they were.[/quote]
    Mayhaps.

  • LI Phil | November 22, 2009 at 11:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”362558″]Dear Phil and his band of brothers,

    Please stop tweaking uniforms. It is no longer interesting to read. I understand that a lot can be done with Photoshop, but please calm down with it.

    Thanks,
    Jeff[/quote]

    dear jeff,

    they aint heavy…and they’re not my brothers…

    but this is a uniform site…

    if you’re not happy with the content, i would welcome your suggestions. please feel free email me

    if you’d like a refund, please contact paul

  • Indy Dave | November 22, 2009 at 11:43 pm |

    Devin Hester just got his pants ripped down on a play, no pass interference, holding, or bad football pun? Exposed in more ways than one…more butt clevage than Antonio Bryant’s infamous pic.

  • JohnnyO | November 22, 2009 at 11:45 pm |

    Whoah nelly! Anyone see the “full moon” Devin Hester provided us with tonight? It happened with about 1:07 left in the game. An Eagles defender totally almost de-pantsed him. These pics are probably NSFW:

    http://i147.photobuc...

    http://i147.photobuc...

  • Jeff P | November 22, 2009 at 11:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”362558″]Dear Phil and his band of brothers,

    Please stop tweaking uniforms. It is no longer interesting to read. I understand that a lot can be done with Photoshop, but please calm down with it.

    Thanks,
    Jeff[/quote]
    I agree with it not being so interesting anymore, but it’s not usually the main entry, so if it’s not your cup of tea, just skip over it and go straight to the ticker. Obviously enough people still find it interesting enough to discuss and make them, so why make them stop?

  • Chris | November 23, 2009 at 12:54 am |

    Has anyone else noticed that despite every jersey being made by Reebok the structure of NFL jerseys vary team by team. I’ve noticed this over the last couple weeks. You’d think being from the same company they would be similar. Like just tonight the entire Bears jersey has the typical jersey hole material while the Eagles have parts of their jerseys that are a shinier solid material. Last week I noticed the new Jags jerseys have a particularly odd jersey hole design. Yet, they’re all made by Reebok. I wonder if the teams have a lot of input into how theirs are structured?

  • Jta39 | November 23, 2009 at 3:43 am |

    You guys gotta be wasted! The classics are preserving the integrity of sports uniforms. Look at hockey..the whole new uniform revolution is widely unpopular, and IMO tacky. The Browns, Packers and Bears are a breath of fresh air in a sports world with RBK Edge, spray painted batting helmets and bizarre alternate jerseys.

  • Andrew E. Levitt | November 23, 2009 at 6:25 am |
  • Andrew E. Levitt | November 23, 2009 at 6:29 am |

    I linked the answer to the scoreboard challenge as the URI.

  • Frank | November 23, 2009 at 8:22 am |

    But what about the “real classic looking” teams (you know, teams that haven’t drastically changed their uniform look in a hundred years — the Bears, Browns, Packers, Colts, Chiefs, Raiders or Steelers)
    I would say that the Steelers switching to that absolutely shitty italic font on their uniforms in the 1990’s counts as a drastic change.

  • Frank | November 23, 2009 at 2:50 pm |

    Guess the game – Old Yankee Stadium, set up for a football game, BUT the flag at half-mast. I would guess that the game is Giants vs Cardinals, played 11/24/63, they day after Kennedy was assassinated:
    http://www.pro-footb...

  • Thomas | November 24, 2009 at 4:25 am |

    Was this an attempt to get comments? All of the hypothetical new looks for jerseys are heinous. I love the blog, but I just hope execs don’t take these suggestions seriously and consider it.

  • Rafael | November 24, 2009 at 10:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”362946″]Was this an attempt to get comments? All of the hypothetical new looks for jerseys are heinous. I love the blog, but I just hope execs don’t take these suggestions seriously and consider it.[/quote]

    It’s sad that you waited until Tuesday night to post a critical comment on a blog that was made Sunday morning. Seriously, why don’t you try tweaking first before passing judgement?