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Art Imitates Life

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Spent the weekend in Cooperstown, where my old college buddy Jeff Katz is now the deputy mayor. Just a short trip — drove up on Friday, drove back on Sunday — and most of it went by in a blur, which may say something about the amount of Halloween candy I ate (I think my sugar rush is just now subsiding).

Highlight of the weekend was a behind-the-scenes tour at the Hall of Fame, conducted by senior curator and longtime Uni Watch ally Tom Shieber. I’ll have more to say about that later on, but here’s a little taste, in the form of a fairly remarkable coincidence: As you may recall, back on Friday I ran these pics of Rogers Hornsby wearing a Chicago Youth League uni with FNOF. So imagine my surprise when Shieber took us into the Hall’s art storage area (basically a massive collection of artwork pertaining to baseball — some of it good, much of it hilariously bad) and I saw the painting shown above, which shows the Raja wearing something very similar to the uni he was wearing in those photos.

Didn’t watch a single minute of football all weekend, so no Monday Morning Uni Watch today — sorry, gang.

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Our way of celebrating the internet’s 40th birthday: The site has crashed for the past two nights, both times at 1am eastern. Johnny Ek has been gloating about the Yankees’ impending Series victory burning up the phone lines with our web host to determine the problem, and the short version is that it appears to have something to do with the commenting function. So as a precaution, we’re going to shut down the comments tonight at about 11pm eastern. That’s just a Band-Aid fix, of course, but we’ll shoot for a more permanent solution in the days to come. Thanks for your patience.

In case you missed it: I had a short column about World Series rings posted on ESPN on Friday afternoon. You can check it out here.

Sponsor Shout-Out: As you may have noticed, our old friends at Distant Replays have rejoined the ranks of Uni Watch advertisers. It’s a slightly different operation than it was before, but DR founder Andy Hyman is still on board (plus he’s now blogging), and it’s great to be working with him again. Welcome back, Andy.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Great article on former college football powers, with some wonderful old photos, here (with thanks to Mike Prospero). … Very unusual NOB here — a nickname in quotes plus a surname with a tilde (great find by Shane Bua). … The Alaska Aces went with a Halloween uni on Saturday (with thanks to Reggie Kennedy). … Check out the very odd helmets worn by Denmark at the B-Group European Championships (interesting find by Stefan Schubert). … Surprisingly accurate-ish Dolphins uniforms shown a little more than halfway through this South Park clip (with thanks to Jacob Reed). … Here’s a weird one: a Mizzou jacket with a Marlins-esque insignia (with thanks to Ben Traxel). … Interview with the guy who designed the World Cup trophy here (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). … Also from Jeremy: a great site devoted to 1800s soccer uniforms and a wonderful 1906 Austrialian football illustration. … Not sure why some Lakers players were still wearing the Opening Night championship patch for Friday’s game against the Mavs. It was only a couple of players (I think just Artest and Odom); everyone else was patch-free. Trying to find out what’s up. … Joey Rubino notes that Alex Goligoski went without his collar laces on Friday. … In a related item, Brooks Simpson points out that Bruins goalie Tuukka Rask used to wear collar laces but more recently has gone without them. Same goes for his white jersey. … Many readers noted that Michigan linebacker Kevin Leach’s nameplate was missing on Saturday, plus he was wearing No. 10 instead of his usual 52. … Indiana TE Max Dedmond had a decal glitch on Saturday (screen shot courtesy of David Teigland). … More coverage of Carey Price’s mask design here (with thanks to Stephen Sickles). … Back in March, I published this ESPN column about DIY jerseys. One of the featured DIYers was Aaron Stilley, who had made himself a KC Scouts jersey. Now he’s made a mini-Rangers jersey for his son. “I based the design largely on this jersey, which looks pretty much like what NHLuniforms.com lists as the team’s 1928-1941,” says Aaron. “One detail I didn’t attempt was the white collar.” … “Ryan Swope is a WR for Texas A&M,” writes Glenn Stern. “He normally wears No. 25, but he also plays special teams, and there’s a defensive back, Jordan Pugh, who is also No. 25. So on special teams, Swope puts on a different-numbered jersey with NNOB. I also think it has a special zipper on the side so they can get it on and off. In that last photo, note his No. 25 helmet and his ‘Swope’ nameplate showing through the NNOB jersey.” … Warren Humphrey sent along two awesome Reds photos: This one shows equipment manager Bernie Stowe putting uniforms in the Cincy locks, circa 1969, and this one shows an unidentified seamstress working on the 1972 Big Red Machine uniforms. … Man, I gotta travel to Greece, at least judging from this butcher’s market photo recently taken by my friend Anne Gant. … Things that happen roughly every two months: I eat a salad, the Rams win a game, and some newspaper publishes an article about how the local team’s uniforms are laundered (with thanks to Michael Becker). … Notable Halloween costumes: Nathan Haas saw someone dressed as David Wright (complete with Gazoo helmet and sadly appropriate NOB), and Eric Bennett played softball dressed as Oscar Gamble. … Hmmm, maybe this color-on-color thing isn’t such a great idea after all. … Two eBay finds I haven’t seen before: a 1984 Olympics staff uniform and a vintage roller derby uni (for only 20 grand!). … Cole Jones has completed his decade-by-decade survey of the North Stars’ and Stars’ uniform history. It starts here and then you can follow the links for the subsequent entries.

 

119 comments to Art Imitates Life

  • mmwatkin | November 2, 2009 at 8:55 am |

    That punt return video is classic. Poor guy knew immediately what he had done.

    Also a good clip if you want to see how the Wolverines would look like with monochrome blue uniforms (#8)

  • dwight | November 2, 2009 at 8:56 am |

    RE: Mizzou jacket font. They use that same Marlins type script for some variations of their baseball unis as well – don’t have photo, but it’s their, I promise.

  • War Damn Eagle | November 2, 2009 at 8:59 am |

    Missouri baseball:

    http://www.columbiam...

  • mmwatkin | November 2, 2009 at 9:00 am |

    Personal foul on #5

    http://www.ebaumswor...

  • War Damn Eagle | November 2, 2009 at 9:03 am |

    Other Mizzou baseball images with the Marlins-esque font:

    http://farm1.static....

    http://ecx.images-am...

    They also use this font for one of their unis:

    http://www.columbiam...

    But this was probably their best look (love the quilted pants):

    http://muarchives.mi...

  • leon | November 2, 2009 at 9:12 am |

    Hope that’s fast-pitch softball what with all the plastic and metal the 3 guys in the photo are wearing. The umps, er, ball bag makes me think they are actually playing baseball.

  • leon | November 2, 2009 at 9:18 am |

    Watching the color-on-color video brings to mind a theory I’ve had about The Georgetown/UNC final game when Fred Brown inexplicably passed the ball to a Tarheel player at the end of the game. I know they weren’t both wearing color, but they both at times wore a similar blue (not exactly the same). Just wonder if he got confused in the heat of the moment and wouldn’t have done the same if his opponent were wearing red or purple or whatever.

  • Adam | November 2, 2009 at 9:24 am |

    No love for the “Worlds Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party” in the Ticker? Georgia wore BLACK Helmuts for the 1st time in there history and then took an ass whoopin’ from the Gators here in Jax on Saturday and not even a peep? (But the Yankees made the ‘worst uniform’ waste of time….”

  • War Damn Eagle | November 2, 2009 at 9:29 am |

    What in the hell was Georgia thinking with the black helmet and red facemask? Because they played like Grambling, too.

    And Tennessee’s black jerseys were a disaster. Pairing them with orange pants? Really?

  • Adam | November 2, 2009 at 9:33 am |

    [quote comment=”357742″]What in the hell was Georgia thinking with the black helmet and red facemask? Because they played like Grambling, too.

    And Tennessee’s black jerseys were a disaster. Pairing them with orange pants? Really?[/quote]

    Lane’s an idiot…he has taken away ALL of Tennesse’s credibility…

    Just remember, you can not spell CITRUS with out UT!

  • Joe BC Johnson | November 2, 2009 at 9:39 am |

    Kansas broke out blue pants. Never saw these before:

    http://www.kuathleti...

  • paul | November 2, 2009 at 9:44 am |

    Does anyone know why the Raiders and Chargers weren’t in legacy throwbacks yesterday? And what was the big difference in the Dolphins uniforms?

  • scott | November 2, 2009 at 9:48 am |

    [quote comment=”357747″]Does anyone know why the Raiders and Chargers weren’t in legacy throwbacks yesterday? And what was the big difference in the Dolphins uniforms?[/quote]

    Not every game featuring two former AFL teams is a legacy game. The NFL issued a schedule before the season began for when teams would be wearing the special outfits.

  • dwight | November 2, 2009 at 9:54 am |

    [quote comment=”357736″]Missouri baseball:

    http://www.columbiam...

    Thanks for doing what I couldn’t!!!!!

  • Dank | November 2, 2009 at 10:00 am |

    Phillies should wear their alternates tonight. Well, actually they should wear them all the time at home (and the hats all the time period) but that’s another story.

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 10:20 am |

    [quote comment=”357734″]That punt return video is classic. Poor guy knew immediately what he had done.

    Also a good clip if you want to see how the Wolverines would look like with monochrome blue uniforms (#8)[/quote]

    Speaking of such things, this “highlight” from yesterday…
    http://www.youtube.c...

    —Ricko

  • Kyle@IU | November 2, 2009 at 10:33 am |

    ahh, that photo of the Indiana TE Dedmond was taken right at 8:00 in the third quarter…just about the time the game turned decisively in Iowa’s favor. Uniform mistakes strike again!

  • JTH | November 2, 2009 at 10:35 am |

    I understand the look that those Danish helmets are going for. As a concept, it looks pretty decent. On the field, it just looks like they’ve been hastily repaired with tape or something.

  • Kaptain K | November 2, 2009 at 10:52 am |

    [quote comment=”357755″]I understand the look that those Danish helmets are going for. As a concept, it looks pretty decent. On the field, it just looks like they’ve been hastily repaired with tape or something.[/quote]

    Actually, this concept can be considered an old, old school throwback, albeit the Danish cross is misplaced: http://pasttimesport...

    Maybe the Danes should have put the cross on top of the helmet.

  • Jonathan Sluss | November 2, 2009 at 11:05 am |

    What’s with #8 at the end of the punt return video? He matches neither team other than the blue jersey, but he’s wearing black pants and a helmet with no stripes.

  • Broadway Connie | November 2, 2009 at 11:12 am |

    “… … Also from Jeremy: a great site devoted to 1800s soccer uniforms…”

    ***

    Unbelievably wonderful site. Jeremy strikes again. One of the aspects of the site’s greatness – a gentle corrective, Paul – is that it follows the uni history of all the major English and Scottish clubs, not just in the 19th Century, but straight through the present…

    Highly recommended for soccer geeks, design geeks, and history geeks.

  • Kerry P | November 2, 2009 at 11:15 am |

    [quote comment=”357757″]What’s with #8 at the end of the punt return video? He matches neither team other than the blue jersey, but he’s wearing black pants and a helmet with no stripes.[/quote]
    If these are high school teams, the blank helmets could be players that also play junior varsity football. I’ve seen that a good bit here in Louisiana. Also, #68 has a blank helmet as well. It still doesn’t explain the different colored pants though.

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 11:16 am |

    [quote comment=”357757″]What’s with #8 at the end of the punt return video? He matches neither team other than the blue jersey, but he’s wearing black pants and a helmet with no stripes.[/quote]

    Okay, let’s put our thinking caps on, shall we.
    Ever heard of the “Las Vegas Cobras” befor?
    No? Okay. Good bet they’re some kind of semi-pro team in a league with a uniform budget of about a buck and a half.

    Judging by the size of #8, he’s probably the kicker, and may have supplied his own pants.

    Now let’s google “Las Vegas Cobras football” and see what we find…
    oh look…
    http://www.eteamz.co...

  • The Jeff | November 2, 2009 at 11:17 am |

    That color vs color high school game is just a big mess. Multiple helmets and jerseys and all kinds of weirdness. There’s blue on yellow, blue on blue, michigan helmets, logoless blue helmets, white numbers on red, dark numbers on red… Big mess.

    I’d love to know what that guy was thinking anyway. That was not a situation where one should be attempting to make a tackle, even if you are completely color blind to the point of only seeing shades of gray.

  • chance michaels | November 2, 2009 at 11:24 am |

    [quote comment=”357734″]That punt return video is classic. Poor guy knew immediately what he had done.

    Also a good clip if you want to see how the Wolverines would look like with monochrome blue uniforms (#8)[/quote]
    Bizarre play – I understand mis-reading one dark color jersey for another in the heat of the moment, but what was anybody on the return team doing making a tackle?

  • chance michaels | November 2, 2009 at 11:27 am |

    Ah, Jeff. You beat me to it.

    Another oddity – not only is there one player in monochrome blue, but the player who makes the tackle (white numbers outlined in black) has a different jersey than his teammates (black numbers outlined in white).

    Maybe teams wear “uniforms” for a reason.

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 11:28 am |

    [quote comment=”357762″][quote comment=”357734″]That punt return video is classic. Poor guy knew immediately what he had done.

    Also a good clip if you want to see how the Wolverines would look like with monochrome blue uniforms (#8)[/quote]
    Bizarre play – I understand mis-reading one dark color jersey for another in the heat of the moment, but what was anybody on the return team doing making a tackle?[/quote]

    “Mongo…want…play.”
    (see post #21. Most of those guys are not physically, and sometimes mentally, capable of playing anywhere else.

    —Ricko

  • Bernard | November 2, 2009 at 11:33 am |

    [quote comment=”357742″]What in the hell was Georgia thinking with the black helmet and red facemask? Because they played like Grambling, too.

    And Tennessee’s black jerseys were a disaster. Pairing them with orange pants? Really?[/quote]

    Not defending it at all, because I thought it looked terrible as well, but I wonder if the black/orange had anything to do with Halloween. I mean, I know the black was meant to inspire/intimidate, but pairing it with the orange might’ve been a nod to the holiday. Or not.

  • Terence M. K. | November 2, 2009 at 11:40 am |

    “As you may recall, back on Friday I ran these pics of Rogers Hornsby wearing a Chicago Youth League uni with FNOF.”

    Paul,

    I sent you these photos on friday morning right after i read the ticker:

    http://i104.photobuc...

    http://i104.photobuc...

    Wha, no love?…

    Terence M.K.

  • leon | November 2, 2009 at 11:42 am |

    “Mongo”
    terific reference to a terrific thespian/athlete/gambler.

  • Greenie | November 2, 2009 at 11:46 am |

    [quote comment=”357753″][quote comment=”357734″]That punt return video is classic. Poor guy knew immediately what he had done.

    Also a good clip if you want to see how the Wolverines would look like with monochrome blue uniforms (#8)[/quote]

    Speaking of such things, this “highlight” from yesterday…
    http://www.youtube.c...

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I see your two Raiders and raise you three Packers

    http://www.youtube.c...
    (check the 2:30 min mark)

    -Greenie

  • The Jeff | November 2, 2009 at 11:46 am |

    [quote comment=”357768″]”Mongo”
    terific reference to a terrific thespian/athlete/gambler.[/quote]

    What Mongo are we referring to?

    The only Mongo that jumps into my head is a former Bears player with a really lame attempt at wrestling in the WCW in the late 90’s.

  • leon | November 2, 2009 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment=”357770″][quote comment=”357768″]”Mongo”
    terific reference to a terrific thespian/athlete/gambler.[/quote]

    What Mongo are we referring to?

    The only Mongo that jumps into my head is a former Bears player with a really lame attempt at wrestling in the WCW in the late 90’s.[/quote]

    http://www.youtube.c...

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 11:54 am |

    [quote comment=”357770″][quote comment=”357768″]”Mongo”
    terific reference to a terrific thespian/athlete/gambler.[/quote]

    What Mongo are we referring to?

    The only Mongo that jumps into my head is a former Bears player with a really lame attempt at wrestling in the WCW in the late 90’s.[/quote]

    Doesn’t matter. The point was that at a semi pro level are apt to be some players who aren’t all that smart and will make mistakes.

    Leon’s reference was to Alex Karas. Beyond that, you can do some homework for the Mongo relevance.

  • Paul Lukas | November 2, 2009 at 12:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”357767″]”As you may recall, back on Friday I ran these pics of Rogers Hornsby wearing a Chicago Youth League uni with FNOF.”

    Paul,

    I sent you these photos on friday morning right after i read the ticker:

    http://i104.photobuc...

    http://i104.photobuc...

    Wha, no love?…

    Terence M.K.[/quote]

    Didn’t get them! Or maybe they got lost in my Friday-travel shuffle. No offense intended!

  • Terence M. K. | November 2, 2009 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”357773″][quote comment=”357767″]”As you may recall, back on Friday I ran these pics of Rogers Hornsby wearing a Chicago Youth League uni with FNOF.”

    Paul,

    I sent you these photos on friday morning right after i read the ticker:

    http://i104.photobuc...

    http://i104.photobuc...

    Wha, no love?…

    Terence M.K.[/quote]

    Didn’t get them! Or maybe they got lost in my Friday-travel shuffle. No offense intended![/quote]

    None taken!
    Look out for my Koosman sleeve patch mystery email. Interesting stuf going on in the HOF…

  • LI Phil | November 2, 2009 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”357770″][quote comment=”357768″]”Mongo”
    terific reference to a terrific thespian/athlete/gambler.[/quote]

    What Mongo are we referring to?

    The only Mongo that jumps into my head is a former Bears player with a really lame attempt at wrestling in the WCW in the late 90’s.[/quote]

    mongo like candy

  • Randy Miller | November 2, 2009 at 12:46 pm |

    mongo but pawn in game of life

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 12:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”357776″]mongo but pawn in game of life[/quote]

    Now we’re on track.

  • leon | November 2, 2009 at 12:55 pm |
  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 1:05 pm |

    Mongo not like see Yankees in poll.

    “No, see, Mongo, we figured it was pretty obvious something hinky was going on with the voting, and we wanted to let everyone see what had happened.”

    Mongo still not like. Corrupt integrity of sampling base. Ruin website forever. P-tooey!

    “But by letting the aberration speak for itself we figured to expose it and let it disappear under its own absurdity.”

    Bah, poll tainted. Mongo life not worth living now.
    Mongo go punch blue horsey. If can find one.

  • leon | November 2, 2009 at 1:13 pm |

    mongo need danish helmet

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”357781″]mongo need danish helmet[/quote]

    Mongo like danish helmet.

    Is like flip-flop of balls at driving range.

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 1:25 pm |

    Oh, wow, wouldn’t it be GREAT if the Falcons and Saints BOTH wore black pants tonight!!!

    The would be, like, so AWESOME!

    Cuz, y’know, the Saints have been wearing gold pants all season so they overdue for a change.

  • leon | November 2, 2009 at 1:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”357783″]Oh, wow, wouldn’t it be GREAT if the Falcons and Saints BOTH wore black pants tonight!!!

    The would be, like, so AWESOME!

    Cuz, y’know, the Saints have been wearing gold pants all season so they overdue for a change.[/quote]

    black more appropriate evening wear

  • The Jeff | November 2, 2009 at 1:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”357783″]Oh, wow, wouldn’t it be GREAT if the Falcons and Saints BOTH wore black pants tonight!!!

    The would be, like, so AWESOME!

    Cuz, y’know, the Saints have been wearing gold pants all season so they overdue for a change.[/quote]

    Smartassery aside, they should start wearing their damn black jerseys at home. White jerseys are lame enough as it is, without them being worn at home in a stadium where heat is not an issue.

  • LI Phil | November 2, 2009 at 1:39 pm |

    smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 1:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”357786″]smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?[/quote]

    What’s wrong with white, period?

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 1:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”357785″][quote comment=”357783″]Oh, wow, wouldn’t it be GREAT if the Falcons and Saints BOTH wore black pants tonight!!!

    The would be, like, so AWESOME!

    Cuz, y’know, the Saints have been wearing gold pants all season so they overdue for a change.[/quote]

    Smartassery aside, they should start wearing their damn black jerseys at home. White jerseys are lame enough as it is, without them being worn at home in a stadium where heat is not an issue.[/quote]

    The concept of it being as easy as possible for a QB to spot his receivers is just lost on you, isn’t it.

    I suppose it doesn’t matter all that much it Madden. But if Ray Lewis or Jared Allen—the REAL Ray Lewis or Jared Allen, that is—is drawing a bead on our thorax it matters a whole helluva lot.

    —Ricko

  • bourbon soaked idiot | November 2, 2009 at 1:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”357787″][quote comment=”357786″]smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?[/quote]

    What’s wrong with white, period?[/quote]

    What’s wrong with purple, period?

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 1:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”357789″][quote comment=”357787″][quote comment=”357786″]smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?[/quote]

    What’s wrong with white, period?[/quote]

    What’s wrong with purple, period?[/quote]

    Exactly.

  • The Jeff | November 2, 2009 at 1:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”357787″][quote comment=”357786″]smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?[/quote]

    What’s wrong with white, period?[/quote]

    Because I just don’t like it.

    I feel that a team’s uniform should be in team colors. To the casual fan, white is not a team color (except for white helmet teams). The Steelers are black & gold, the Saints are metallic gold & black, the Packers are green & gold, etc.

    Remember I also want color vs color to become standard, so tonight’s game would be red vs black, or red vs gold if the Saints felt like wearing their “light” jerseys.

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 2:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”357791″][quote comment=”357787″][quote comment=”357786″]smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?[/quote]

    What’s wrong with white, period?[/quote]

    Because I just don’t like it.

    I feel that a team’s uniform should be in team colors. To the casual fan, white is not a team color (except for white helmet teams). The Steelers are black & gold, the Saints are metallic gold & black, the Packers are green & gold, etc.

    Remember I also want color vs color to become standard, so tonight’s game would be red vs black, or red vs gold if the Saints felt like wearing their “light” jerseys.[/quote]

    Okay, we’ve established you’ve never played quarterback at pretty much any level.
    Or ever been on the sidelines of an NFL game to appreciate the almost unbelievable speed at which things happen.
    Fair enough.
    Reality isn’t an issue for you.
    So we can move on, keeping that in mind.

    —Ricko

  • LarryB | November 2, 2009 at 2:01 pm |

    I am looking through the article and pictures Mike Prospero found. Some great photos. I like to read about the Chicago Maroon and this is a great picture of them vs Princeton

    http://s.wsj.net/pub...

  • LarryB | November 2, 2009 at 2:02 pm |

    And that is a great painting of Rogers Hornsby in the main story. I love it.

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”357793″]I am looking through the article and pictures Mike Prospero found. Some great photos. I like to read about the Chicago Maroon and this is a great picture of them vs Princeton

    http://s.wsj.net/pub...

    Gonna colorize that one, Larry B? Would be great. Maybe just the unis and the skin tones for a nice ethereal effect?

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | November 2, 2009 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”357791″][quote comment=”357787″]smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?[/quote]

    Because I just don’t like it.[/quote]

    well then, i guess that’s that

    do you play color vs. color on madden a lot?

  • LarryB | November 2, 2009 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”357795″][quote comment=”357793″]I am looking through the article and pictures Mike Prospero found. Some great photos. I like to read about the Chicago Maroon and this is a great picture of them vs Princeton

    http://s.wsj.net/pub...

    Gonna colorize that one, Larry B? Would be great. Maybe just the unis and the skin tones for a nice ethereal effect?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    HAHA Ricko knows where my mind is when I look at old pictures. I was thinking of possibly trying that one.

  • The Jeff | November 2, 2009 at 2:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”357792″][quote comment=”357791″][quote comment=”357787″][quote comment=”357786″]smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?[/quote]

    What’s wrong with white, period?[/quote]

    Because I just don’t like it.

    I feel that a team’s uniform should be in team colors. To the casual fan, white is not a team color (except for white helmet teams). The Steelers are black & gold, the Saints are metallic gold & black, the Packers are green & gold, etc.

    Remember I also want color vs color to become standard, so tonight’s game would be red vs black, or red vs gold if the Saints felt like wearing their “light” jerseys.[/quote]

    Okay, we’ve established you’ve never played quarterback at pretty much any level.
    Or ever been on the sidelines of an NFL game to appreciate the almost unbelievable speed at which things happen.
    Fair enough.
    Reality isn’t an issue for you.
    So we can move on, keeping that in mind.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh shove it.

    Did any of the QBs throw more INTs in the red vs blue Chiefs/Cowboys game than in any other normal game? No, they didn’t.

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 2:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”357798″][quote comment=”357792″][quote comment=”357791″][quote comment=”357787″][quote comment=”357786″]smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?[/quote]

    What’s wrong with white, period?[/quote]

    Because I just don’t like it.

    I feel that a team’s uniform should be in team colors. To the casual fan, white is not a team color (except for white helmet teams). The Steelers are black & gold, the Saints are metallic gold & black, the Packers are green & gold, etc.

    Remember I also want color vs color to become standard, so tonight’s game would be red vs black, or red vs gold if the Saints felt like wearing their “light” jerseys.[/quote]

    Okay, we’ve established you’ve never played quarterback at pretty much any level.
    Or ever been on the sidelines of an NFL game to appreciate the almost unbelievable speed at which things happen.
    Fair enough.
    Reality isn’t an issue for you.
    So we can move on, keeping that in mind.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh shove it.

    Did any of the QBs throw more INTs in the red vs blue Chiefs/Cowboys game than in any other normal game? No, they didn’t.[/quote]

    Yeah, a one-game sample proves everything we need to know.

    My response remains unchanged.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 2:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”357798″][quote comment=”357792″][quote comment=”357791″][quote comment=”357787″][quote comment=”357786″]smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?[/quote]

    What’s wrong with white, period?[/quote]

    Because I just don’t like it.

    I feel that a team’s uniform should be in team colors. To the casual fan, white is not a team color (except for white helmet teams). The Steelers are black & gold, the Saints are metallic gold & black, the Packers are green & gold, etc.

    Remember I also want color vs color to become standard, so tonight’s game would be red vs black, or red vs gold if the Saints felt like wearing their “light” jerseys.[/quote]

    Okay, we’ve established you’ve never played quarterback at pretty much any level.
    Or ever been on the sidelines of an NFL game to appreciate the almost unbelievable speed at which things happen.
    Fair enough.
    Reality isn’t an issue for you.
    So we can move on, keeping that in mind.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh shove it.

    Did any of the QBs throw more INTs in the red vs blue Chiefs/Cowboys game than in any other normal game? No, they didn’t.[/quote]

    You haven’t noticed the copious amount of white on the shoulder yokes of the Cowboys “throwbacks”? From a QB’s vantage point, they’re virtually white jerseys.

  • The Jeff | November 2, 2009 at 2:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”357796″][quote comment=”357791″][quote comment=”357787″]smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?[/quote]

    Because I just don’t like it.[/quote]

    well then, i guess that’s that

    do you play color vs. color on madden a lot?[/quote]

    Every game, unless the colors are too close. No Eagles green vs navy or black, no red vs red, etc.

    I don’t care what Ricko says, Raiders black vs Chargers powder blue is a nice looking game.

  • peter | November 2, 2009 at 2:24 pm |

    Philly Paper prints wrong ad:

    Displays the World Series shrit

    http://www.nydailyne...

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 2:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”357800″][quote comment=”357798″][quote comment=”357792″][quote comment=”357791″][quote comment=”357787″][quote comment=”357786″]smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?[/quote]

    What’s wrong with white, period?[/quote]

    Because I just don’t like it.

    I feel that a team’s uniform should be in team colors. To the casual fan, white is not a team color (except for white helmet teams). The Steelers are black & gold, the Saints are metallic gold & black, the Packers are green & gold, etc.

    Remember I also want color vs color to become standard, so tonight’s game would be red vs black, or red vs gold if the Saints felt like wearing their “light” jerseys.[/quote]

    Okay, we’ve established you’ve never played quarterback at pretty much any level.
    Or ever been on the sidelines of an NFL game to appreciate the almost unbelievable speed at which things happen.
    Fair enough.
    Reality isn’t an issue for you.
    So we can move on, keeping that in mind.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh shove it.

    Did any of the QBs throw more INTs in the red vs blue Chiefs/Cowboys game than in any other normal game? No, they didn’t.[/quote]

    You haven’t noticed the copious amount of white on the shoulder yokes of the Cowboys “throwbacks”? From a QB’s vantage point, they’re virtually white jerseys.[/quote]

    vs. the Chiefs/Texans that day, I meant.

  • The Jeff | November 2, 2009 at 2:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”357803″][quote comment=”357800″][quote comment=”357798″][quote comment=”357792″][quote comment=”357791″][quote comment=”357787″][quote comment=”357786″]smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?[/quote]

    What’s wrong with white, period?[/quote]

    Because I just don’t like it.

    I feel that a team’s uniform should be in team colors. To the casual fan, white is not a team color (except for white helmet teams). The Steelers are black & gold, the Saints are metallic gold & black, the Packers are green & gold, etc.

    Remember I also want color vs color to become standard, so tonight’s game would be red vs black, or red vs gold if the Saints felt like wearing their “light” jerseys.[/quote]

    Okay, we’ve established you’ve never played quarterback at pretty much any level.
    Or ever been on the sidelines of an NFL game to appreciate the almost unbelievable speed at which things happen.
    Fair enough.
    Reality isn’t an issue for you.
    So we can move on, keeping that in mind.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh shove it.

    Did any of the QBs throw more INTs in the red vs blue Chiefs/Cowboys game than in any other normal game? No, they didn’t.[/quote]

    You haven’t noticed the copious amount of white on the shoulder yokes of the Cowboys “throwbacks”? From a QB’s vantage point, they’re virtually white jerseys.[/quote]

    vs. the Chiefs/Texans that day, I meant.[/quote]

    Ok.. so if they’re “virtually white” vs a team in red, shouldn’t that also mean they’d be “virtually white” against another team wearing white? White shoulders are white shoulders, are they not?

    If you don’t like color vs color, fine. Just say that.

  • peter | November 2, 2009 at 2:28 pm |

    Paul, didn’t you do a piece about a guy who traveled to a 3rd world country to get an UNDEFEATED Patriots shirt?

  • LI Phil | November 2, 2009 at 2:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”357802″]Philly Paper prints wrong ad:

    Displays the World Series shrit

    http://www.nydailyne...

    didn’t they run this header once?

  • peter | November 2, 2009 at 2:32 pm |

    I thought you did one too Paul (anything Uni-Related I immediately associate with this site)

    Here’s the article I was thinking about (which I may have linked to from here)

    http://www.boston.co...

  • The Jeff | November 2, 2009 at 2:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”357804″][quote comment=”357803″][quote comment=”357800″][quote comment=”357798″][quote comment=”357792″][quote comment=”357791″][quote comment=”357787″][quote comment=”357786″]smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?[/quote]

    What’s wrong with white, period?[/quote]

    Because I just don’t like it.

    I feel that a team’s uniform should be in team colors. To the casual fan, white is not a team color (except for white helmet teams). The Steelers are black & gold, the Saints are metallic gold & black, the Packers are green & gold, etc.

    Remember I also want color vs color to become standard, so tonight’s game would be red vs black, or red vs gold if the Saints felt like wearing their “light” jerseys.[/quote]

    Okay, we’ve established you’ve never played quarterback at pretty much any level.
    Or ever been on the sidelines of an NFL game to appreciate the almost unbelievable speed at which things happen.
    Fair enough.
    Reality isn’t an issue for you.
    So we can move on, keeping that in mind.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh shove it.

    Did any of the QBs throw more INTs in the red vs blue Chiefs/Cowboys game than in any other normal game? No, they didn’t.[/quote]

    You haven’t noticed the copious amount of white on the shoulder yokes of the Cowboys “throwbacks”? From a QB’s vantage point, they’re virtually white jerseys.[/quote]

    vs. the Chiefs/Texans that day, I meant.[/quote]

    Ok.. so if they’re “virtually white” vs a team in red, shouldn’t that also mean they’d be “virtually white” against another team wearing white? White shoulders are white shoulders, are they not?

    If you don’t like color vs color, fine. Just say that.[/quote]

    Besides, I want this to be league-wide. If it is a disadvantage, it’d be the same disadvantage for everyone. I’m fine with that.

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 2:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”357801″][quote comment=”357796″][quote comment=”357791″][quote comment=”357787″]smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?[/quote]

    Because I just don’t like it.[/quote]

    well then, i guess that’s that

    do you play color vs. color on madden a lot?[/quote]

    Every game, unless the colors are too close. No Eagles green vs navy or black, no red vs red, etc.

    I don’t care what Ricko says, Raiders black vs Chargers powder blue is a nice looking game.[/quote]

    I NEVER have said I was against highly contrasting color-on-color. Do NOT put works in someone’s mouth. All I’ve ever said it that the logistics of managing what combos work is a pain in the ass (at least for the moment) for the NFL/NCAA and they probably aren’t interested in farting around with it any more than they need to.

    Hence, they’ll hold onto “one team in white”. Because it makes sense, it’s just flat-out easier to manage and most times is the best answer. THAT’s one “reality” I meant. The other is that you DO need to have a clear visual difference for the sake of the QB (and others, but critically the QB) because not all situations are perfect. They’re impacted by weather conditions, lighting, et al.

    Eliminating white altogether just isn’t gonna fly in the real world, that’s all. Live with it.

    —Ricko

  • RockyTopEddy | November 2, 2009 at 2:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”357766″][quote comment=”357742″]What in the hell was Georgia thinking with the black helmet and red facemask? Because they played like Grambling, too.

    And Tennessee’s black jerseys were a disaster. Pairing them with orange pants? Really?[/quote]

    Not defending it at all, because I thought it looked terrible as well, but I wonder if the black/orange had anything to do with Halloween. I mean, I know the black was meant to inspire/intimidate, but pairing it with the orange might’ve been a nod to the holiday. Or not.[/quote]

    Tennessee came out for pre-game warmups in all orange. The fans got the first glimpse of the black as the players gathered in the tunnel to run through the T.

    I’m not a fan of the black, but I do have to admit one thing. From inside the stadium, the numbers were a lot easier to read than the white on orange.

    Through 1921, Tennessee’s uniforms were black with orange numbers. The orange jerseys debuted in 1922. I am going to claim the black jerseys were done for the sake of tradition, not for the sake of being trendy. (I don’t believe it either, but I am hoping to convince myself it is true.)

  • RockyTopEddy | November 2, 2009 at 2:47 pm |
  • The Jeff | November 2, 2009 at 2:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”357811″]Great…

    http://www.govolsxtr...

    Well, at least they might actually design the basketball uniforms to look like they’re supposed to be black.

    The football uniforms looked silly because there’s absolutely no black on the pants or helmet.

    (Assuming of course that you can get beyond the whole broken tradition aspects of it)

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 3:00 pm |

    “The football uniforms looked silly because there’s absolutely no black on the pants or helmet.”

    Don’t know if looked “silly” but certainly did suggest was a “Halloween Special” because only changed one garment.

    Didn’t look like a redesign, just a one-off. Like the camo jerseys in baseball, I guess. The don’t go adding camo to the pants stripe, too. At least the majority of teams who do such things don’t go so far as to do that.

    —Ricko

  • Mark | November 2, 2009 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”357812″][quote comment=”357811″]Great…

    http://www.govolsxtr...

    Well, at least they might actually design the basketball uniforms to look like they’re supposed to be black.

    The football uniforms looked silly because there’s absolutely no black on the pants or helmet.

    (Assuming of course that you can get beyond the whole broken tradition aspects of it)[/quote]

    But it sure did match the black Adidas logo on the pants…

  • Daniel | November 2, 2009 at 3:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”357789″][quote comment=”357787″][quote comment=”357786″]smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?[/quote]

    What’s wrong with white, period?[/quote]

    What’s wrong with purple, period?[/quote]

    this:

    http://www.minnpost....

  • RockyTopEddy | November 2, 2009 at 3:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”357812″][quote comment=”357811″]Great…

    http://www.govolsxtr...

    Well, at least they might actually design the basketball uniforms to look like they’re supposed to be black.

    The football uniforms looked silly because there’s absolutely no black on the pants or helmet.

    (Assuming of course that you can get beyond the whole broken tradition aspects of it)[/quote]

    Two of the team captains, Eric Berry and Montario Hardesty, went to AD Mike Hamilton on Wednesday and convinced him to let the team go with black jerseys. A pretty reliable source says that they wanted black pants, but there wasn’t enough time to get those also. Tennessee’s equipment manager, Roger Frazier, worked with a local company to get the jerseys done.

    Whether you like the black or not, you have to admire an equipment guy getting that many jerseys (with right sizes and numbers) done that quickly.

  • mtjaws | November 2, 2009 at 4:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”357786″]smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?[/quote]

    White at home is perfect in baseball, basketball, and (formerly) hockey, but is totally backwards for football. The home team should always be in dark, road team in white. Why? Just because!

  • Robert | November 2, 2009 at 4:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”357818″][quote comment=”357786″]smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?[/quote]

    White at home is perfect in baseball, basketball, and (formerly) hockey, but is totally backwards for football. The home team should always be in dark, road team in white. Why? Just because![/quote]

    It should be the home team’s choice. Personally I like some teams in white better – Dallas, Washington, Indy, and Miami in particular – but that’s part of playing at home. The league shouldn’t mandate anything, either in college or pro. If LSU or the Saints wants white at home, go for it (though the Saints look much better in black shirts at home).

    I do appreciate color on color when USC and UCLA play but I agree with Ricko–it’s too hard to figure out what is sufficient contrast and what isn’t. For instance, I think Tennessee/Alabama would’ve looked great color on color but Texas/Oklahoma? Not enough contrast but the NCAA would have a hard time policing every game for that. Not only that, but when you’re at home you want to inflict maximum discomfort on your opposition. Why would you want them to dress like they do at home? Most of the big time programs play most of their games at home so having them in white is just another way to let them know not to get comfortable.

    The NFL is different to me. I’ll admit Raiders in black and Chargers in power blue would look great, but it looks great when they’re in throwbacks, no matter who wears white. To me the white signifies being on the road, of being out of your element.

    Bottom line: I’m OK with some minimal color on color but think white looks just fine on the field with an opponent in color. Good uniforms look fine eithe way, bad ones look bad either way.

  • Marc M. | November 2, 2009 at 5:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”357806″][quote comment=”357802″]Philly Paper prints wrong ad:

    Displays the World Series shrit

    http://www.nydailyne...

    didn’t they run this header once?[/quote]

    Uhhmmm, Chicago/Philly? Hardly the same in my book.

  • DJ | November 2, 2009 at 5:20 pm |

    For instance, I think Tennessee/Alabama would’ve looked great color on color but Texas/Oklahoma? Not enough contrast but the NCAA would have a hard time policing every game for that

    The NCAA rule delegates the determination of whether color contrast is sufficient to the conference of the home team.

    In the case of Independents such as Army, Navy, and Notre Dame, my guess would be that they would use the conference where they draw their football officials from (the Big East in the case of Notre Dame, for instance).

    It would be very cool to see a throwback game next year at Yankee Stadium: Army in black, Notre Dame in bright green in a throwback to the 1946 0-0 tie.

  • LarryB | November 2, 2009 at 5:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”357810″][quote comment=”357766″][quote comment=”357742″]What in the hell was Georgia thinking with the black helmet and red facemask? Because they played like Grambling, too.

    And Tennessee’s black jerseys were a disaster. Pairing them with orange pants? Really?[/quote]

    Not defending it at all, because I thought it looked terrible as well, but I wonder if the black/orange had anything to do with Halloween. I mean, I know the black was meant to inspire/intimidate, but pairing it with the orange might’ve been a nod to the holiday. Or not.[/quote]

    Tennessee came out for pre-game warmups in all orange. The fans got the first glimpse of the black as the players gathered in the tunnel to run through the T.

    I’m not a fan of the black, but I do have to admit one thing. From inside the stadium, the numbers were a lot easier to read than the white on orange.

    Through 1921, Tennessee’s uniforms were black with orange numbers. The orange jerseys debuted in 1922. I am going to claim the black jerseys were done for the sake of tradition, not for the sake of being trendy. (I don’t believe it either, but I am hoping to convince myself it is true.)[/quote]

    And didn’t Tennessee have what they called Halloween uniforms for a period in the 1960’s Or helmets maybe. I remember seeing a small amount of black

  • Alston Meadows | November 2, 2009 at 5:29 pm |

    http://acc.teamfansh... looks like new hoops unis for clemson

  • Robert | November 2, 2009 at 6:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”357821″]For instance, I think Tennessee/Alabama would’ve looked great color on color but Texas/Oklahoma? Not enough contrast but the NCAA would have a hard time policing every game for that

    The NCAA rule delegates the determination of whether color contrast is sufficient to the conference of the home team.

    In the case of Independents such as Army, Navy, and Notre Dame, my guess would be that they would use the conference where they draw their football officials from (the Big East in the case of Notre Dame, for instance).

    It would be very cool to see a throwback game next year at Yankee Stadium: Army in black, Notre Dame in bright green in a throwback to the 1946 0-0 tie.[/quote]

    Yes, I know the home team has the right to veto the choice, as most must be doing or we’d see more color on color. I do understand it though; if you’re the home team, you want every advantage you can get so why would you OK the other team wearing their color shirt (unless you’re USC or UCLA)?

    I don’t think the ND/Army game would be able to pull of the green/black thing but maybe it would look better than I think it would. Now, if we could get a 1963 Army/Navy throwback (Midshipmen in all gold), that would be awesome.

  • LarryB | November 2, 2009 at 6:07 pm |

    The all light gold or whatever shade Navy wore in the early 1960’s was sharp and would be fun ot see that vs Army in black.

  • Joe | November 2, 2009 at 6:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”357787″][quote comment=”357786″]smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?[/quote]

    What’s wrong with white, period?[/quote]
    Well, it is after Labor Day…

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 6:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”357825″]The all light gold or whatever shade Navy wore in the early 1960’s was sharp and would be fun ot see that vs Army in black.[/quote]

    Like this?
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • LarryB | November 2, 2009 at 6:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”357827″][quote comment=”357825″]The all light gold or whatever shade Navy wore in the early 1960’s was sharp and would be fun ot see that vs Army in black.[/quote]

    Like this?
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yep that is the one and look it is vs Army too

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 6:34 pm |

    Another look at Staubach in mono gold…
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 6:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”357828″][quote comment=”357827″][quote comment=”357825″]The all light gold or whatever shade Navy wore in the early 1960’s was sharp and would be fun ot see that vs Army in black.[/quote]

    Like this?
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yep that is the one and look it is vs Army too[/quote]

    Yessir, kinda thought that was nice.

  • odessa steps magazin | November 2, 2009 at 6:42 pm |

    Paul,

    Did you stay at the Otesaga?

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 6:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”357821″]For instance, I think Tennessee/Alabama would’ve looked great color on color but Texas/Oklahoma? Not enough contrast but the NCAA would have a hard time policing every game for that

    The NCAA rule delegates the determination of whether color contrast is sufficient to the conference of the home team.

    In the case of Independents such as Army, Navy, and Notre Dame, my guess would be that they would use the conference where they draw their football officials from (the Big East in the case of Notre Dame, for instance).

    It would be very cool to see a throwback game next year at Yankee Stadium: Army in black, Notre Dame in bright green in a throwback to the 1946 0-0 tie.[/quote]

    Well, could work…but better be sure it’s a nice bright kelly green (which the Montana team did wear, but just doesn’t show so up bright in this particular photo)
    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko

  • Hibbsy | November 2, 2009 at 6:51 pm |

    That Reds photo from 1972 looks like they’re simply at the cleaners.

  • LarryB | November 2, 2009 at 6:58 pm |

    One of my early attempts at colorizing was this 1940’s Notre Dame vs Army color on color game

    http://img.photobuck...

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 6:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”357834″]One of my early attempts at colorizing was this 1940’s Notre Dame vs Army color on color game

    http://img.photobuck...

    Another photo from that game…
    http://assets.nydail...

    —Ricko

  • b-t-p-h | November 2, 2009 at 7:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”357740″]Watching the color-on-color video brings to mind a theory I’ve had about The Georgetown/UNC final game when Fred Brown inexplicably passed the ball to a Tarheel player at the end of the game. I know they weren’t both wearing color, but they both at times wore a similar blue (not exactly the same). Just wonder if he got confused in the heat of the moment and wouldn’t have done the same if his opponent were wearing red or purple or whatever.[/quote]
    I have seen the ’82 Championship game at least 100 times. The “blue on blue” theory was invented by Billy Packer moments after the infamous play. I have a different theory. Fred Brown choked. For the love of Jeb Barlow, please don’t call that Fred Brown, “downtown”. GO HEELS!

  • LarryB | November 2, 2009 at 7:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”357835″][quote comment=”357834″]One of my early attempts at colorizing was this 1940’s Notre Dame vs Army color on color game

    http://img.photobuck...

    Another photo from that game…
    http://assets.nydail...

    —Ricko[/quote]

    One thing about ND that I had asked before was this. The Irish used plastic helmets in the early 1940’s for a short period but then went back to leather and may have been one of the last teams to use leather helmets. I was watching a USC ND rivalry show a few weeks ago. ND had leather helmets until around 1958 or 59.

  • bartusball | November 2, 2009 at 7:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”357830″][quote comment=”357828″][quote comment=”357827″][quote comment=”357825″]The all light gold or whatever shade Navy wore in the early 1960’s was sharp and would be fun ot see that vs Army in black.[/quote]

    Like this?
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yep that is the one and look it is vs Army too[/quote]

    Yessir, kinda thought that was nice.[/quote]

    Not bad, not bad. Maybe a little too much gold. Add some white to the UCLA stripes and that’s a classic. Phil, little help here.

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 7:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”357837″][quote comment=”357835″][quote comment=”357834″]One of my early attempts at colorizing was this 1940’s Notre Dame vs Army color on color game

    http://img.photobuck...

    Another photo from that game…
    http://assets.nydail...

    —Ricko[/quote]

    One thing about ND that I had asked before was this. The Irish used plastic helmets in the early 1940’s for a short period but then went back to leather and may have been one of the last teams to use leather helmets. I was watching a USC ND rivalry show a few weeks ago. ND had leather helmets until around 1958 or 59.[/quote]

    I know they wore leather in ’57, because I remember this game…
    “Among their victories was a 7-0 shutout of Oklahoma, snapping the Sooners’ NCAA record 47-game winning streak”
    and have a photo or two somewhere.

    Coach Terry Brennan lasted another season, and when he was succeeded by Joe Kuharich in ’59, the helmets were changed to plastic…and the jerseys changed to navy.

    So I guess we can assume they wore leather through
    the Brennan era, because I don’t recall them in plastic helmets with these green jerseys…
    http://farm3.static....

    Also added shoulder loops in ’59…
    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 7:29 pm |

    Photo from ND-Oklahoma ’57 game here…
    http://www.und.com/s...

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 7:30 pm |

    ND-Oklahoma highlights, 1957…
    http://www.youtube.c...

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 7:32 pm |

    Army-Notre Dame, 1946, part 1…
    http://www.youtube.c...

  • Paul Lukas | November 2, 2009 at 7:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”357831″]Paul,

    Did you stay at the Otesaga?[/quote]

    Nope. Stayed at my friend’s house.

  • LarryB | November 2, 2009 at 7:48 pm |

    http://farm3.static....

    Great color picture of Hornung there Ricko.

    So ND wore the leather until 1958? I wonder if they were the last major school to use leather. I read an article saying they still were not sure of the safety of plastic as to why they wore leather so long.

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 7:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”357844″]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2509/4069705087_2e1d9cd404_o.jpg

    Great color picture of Hornung there Ricko.

    So ND wore the leather until 1958? I wonder if they were the last major school to use leather. I read an article saying they still were not sure of the safety of plastic as to why they wore leather so long.[/quote]

    I’m looking for something that shows ND’s ’58 helmets.
    Meanwhile, here’s Syracuse in 1958…
    http://sportsillustr...

    —Ricko

  • LarryB | November 2, 2009 at 7:57 pm |

    Funny I did find these 2 Tennessee vs Kentucky color on color clips from 1957 and 1958 last week. I was going to email them to Paul and Phil. I see they were on the side also of that ND OU clip Ricko posted.

    The You Tube clips are fun because you can get lost finding others

    http://www.youtube.c...

    The 58 clip is pretty good quality

    http://www.youtube.c...

  • JimV19 | November 2, 2009 at 8:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”357830″][quote comment=”357828″][quote comment=”357827″][quote comment=”357825″]The all light gold or whatever shade Navy wore in the early 1960’s was sharp and would be fun ot see that vs Army in black.[/quote]

    Like this?
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Yep that is the one and look it is vs Army too[/quote]

    Yessir, kinda thought that was nice.[/quote]

    I like it too, but it looks like something that for some reason was nominated to the worst ever list: http://blog.syracuse...

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 8:09 pm |

    Whoa, them’re some cheerleading outfits for Kentucky (thumbnail pp. 34-34)…
    http://sportsillustr...

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | November 2, 2009 at 8:11 pm |

    possible solution to the color vs. color discussion (I was going to say conundrum, but I don’t like alliteration):
    Each school can have one or two color vs. color games. They must submit the proposal in advance. That way there aren’t as many possibilities for the higher-ups to consider. Done.

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 8:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”357849″]possible solution to the color vs. color discussion (I was going to say conundrum, but I don’t like alliteration):
    Each school can have one or two color vs. color games. They must submit the proposal in advance. That way there aren’t as many possibilities for the higher-ups to consider. Done.[/quote]

    Phil has better idea, to keep them from being so frequent they lose their uniqueness. Only games at netural sites. Tennesse-Bama at Birmingham, for example. Or bowl games.

    Just a thought.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | November 2, 2009 at 8:35 pm |

    cliff lee appears to be missing his squatchee

    /apparently this is not new news

  • JimV19 | November 2, 2009 at 8:43 pm |

    [quote comment=”357850″][quote comment=”357849″]possible solution to the color vs. color discussion (I was going to say conundrum, but I don’t like alliteration):
    Each school can have one or two color vs. color games. They must submit the proposal in advance. That way there aren’t as many possibilities for the higher-ups to consider. Done.[/quote]

    Phil has better idea, to keep them from being so frequent they lose their uniqueness. Only games at netural sites. Tennesse-Bama at Birmingham, for example. Or bowl games.

    Just a thought.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’d go with that, except for the fact that you just eliminated USC/UCLA or USC/ND. How’s about one every other year?

  • JimV19 | November 2, 2009 at 8:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”357852″][quote comment=”357850″][quote comment=”357849″]possible solution to the color vs. color discussion (I was going to say conundrum, but I don’t like alliteration):
    Each school can have one or two color vs. color games. They must submit the proposal in advance. That way there aren’t as many possibilities for the higher-ups to consider. Done.[/quote]

    Phil has better idea, to keep them from being so frequent they lose their uniqueness. Only games at netural sites. Tennesse-Bama at Birmingham, for example. Or bowl games.

    Just a thought.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’d go with that, except for the fact that you just eliminated USC/UCLA or USC/ND. How’s about one every other year?[/quote]

    ND would be in green, in this case.

  • Paul Lukas | November 2, 2009 at 8:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”357848″]Whoa, them’re some cheerleading outfits for Kentucky (thumbnail pp. 34-34)…
    http://sportsillustr...

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Indeed:
    http://farm3.static....

  • JimV19 | November 2, 2009 at 8:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”357851″]cliff lee appears to be missing his squatchee

    /apparently this is not new news[/quote]

    There’s no button on top of his cap, either…

  • Ricko | November 2, 2009 at 9:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”357854″][quote comment=”357848″]Whoa, them’re some cheerleading outfits for Kentucky (thumbnail pp. 34-34)…
    http://sportsillustr...

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Indeed:
    http://farm3.static....

    “Here in Kentucky we don’t believe our young women should be exposin’ their limbs in public.”

  • Stuby | November 2, 2009 at 9:29 pm |

    Robinson Cano appeared to have a Pedro Porthole goin’ on.

  • Dave Grob | November 2, 2009 at 9:35 pm |

    The c 1969 Reds Bernie Stowe picture is more likely from 1967. Notice the home uniform has pinstripes. 1966 was the last year of the pinstripe vests for the Reds. 1967 was a one year style of pinstriped sleeved home jerseys manufactured by MacGrgeor. 1968 Reds home jerseys are a non-pinstriped style manufactured by Rawlings. Gary Nolan was with the Reds in 1967

  • Don't be a douche | November 2, 2009 at 9:57 pm |

    PULLED THIS FROM YESTERDAY:

    [quote comment=”357780″]Montreal’s barberpoles got ruined by the black tape on the striped socks.

    I totally dig though that they went with natural leather colored gloves.

    They could have gone with the regular colored ones but the extra little touch is sweet, so why not ask for transparent tape?[/quote]

    Because black tape / strappings were used back in the day.

    SB