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Monday Morning Uni Watch

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Fairly quiet day in the NFL yesterday: Got our first looks at the Chargers’ and Jets’ road throwbacks (both really nice, right?), and this year’s London game featured a new patch. Aside from that, nothing major, unless you maybe count Larry Fitzgerald’s silver cleats. I might’ve missed a few things, though — I admit I wasn’t at my sharpest after getting back from Louisiana on almost zero sleep. More on that trip soon.

As for today, my annual NBA season-preview column t is up on ESPN.

In case you missed it: Phil and his support crew were really dealing over the weekend. In particular, yesterday’s entry, featuring some stellar research by Ricko, is one for the ages. If you didn’t see this material, do yourself a favor and scroll down to take a look.

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Uni Watch Stirrup Club Update: Comrade Robert Marshall is back with another dispatch from the front lines of the hosiery wars. Let us turn a kind ear to his report:

Comrades, it is once again time for a call to arms. This will be the last order until the new year, and it contains two parts, the second of which seeks to unite a heretofore neglected moiety of the striped Revolution:

1) With the holidays coming up, the party has seen fit to choose two sets of stirrups you could wear to your various office parties, family functions, and services. First, for you secular types, we have the Oakland Oaks. Match these with a red sani and you will be the bell of any Christmas ball. The second stirrup was worn by the Brooklyn Trolley Dodgers (note the one colored-in sock at far-left), the Homestead Grays, and others. This stirrup just so happens to match the colors of Hanukkah, for those who observe the Festival of Lights, plus it also mimics the liturgical colors of the church — blue on Christmas Eve, white Christmas Day.

2) Now, on to the new business of the Revolution: right proper football hosiery. The socks will be white on the bottom and you have lots of choices for the color/stripe pattern on top. In fact, I’ve worked with Twin City Knitting to develop some new stripe patterns. Those pour bastards at TCK never saw us coming but are nonetheless doing excellent work for the Revolution.

Of course, the most excellent work of all is being done by comrade Robert himself. To join the hosiery wars (and avoid being blacklisted for counter-Revolutionary behavior), place your orders here.

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Beefsteak Update: It’s now confirmed that I’ll be doing a live presentation at the Brooklyn Beefsteak, which is slated for November 8th at the Bell House. Plus there will be additional entertainment from the mighty Susquehanna Industrial Tool & Die Company (whose set list will no doubt feature their classic “Hey Mister, Is That Your Cow?”). Tickets are available here.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Hey look, more vertically striped socks! (Odd find by Chad Todd.) … “We just re-did my son’s room by painting a couple dozen transportation-related patent sketches on the walls — jeeps, trains, space shuttle, hot air balloon, zamboni, etc.,” says David Tybor. “The helmet cart looks the best.” … Good list of soccer teams broken down by uni manufacturer here (with thanks to Jeremy Richardson). … Bizarre Don Cherry-inspired hockey jerseys on display in this video clip. Additional info here and here. … Latest NHL team to project completely annoying ads on the boards during the TV broadcast: the Blackhawks, as seen here and here (as reported by Chaz Noerenberg). … FNOB alert, from the 1984 USFL championship game (nice screen shot by Dan Lee). … New hoops uni for Creighton (with thanks to Matt Hays). … Check out this gorgeous footage from the 1948 Rose Bowl (big thanks to Tom Wilcox). … Rare view of the Giants’ old “World’s Champions” uniforms here (with thanks to Kevin Walsh). … According to this article, the Panthers will debut their third jersey on November 23rd, and the Avs will wear theirs for an as-yet-unspecified game in November (with thanks to John Muir). … Also from John: Whalers gear is back among us. … Lots of shots of the New Warrior USA Lacrosse uniforms here (with thanks to Nathan Haas). … Raheem Brock of the Colts supposedly wore this at practice the other day (with thanks to Jonathan Mayer). … Good rundown of the backstories behind the original AFL uni designs here (with thanks to Eric Juergens). … Good article on the Fudd caps here (thanks, Vince). … Also from Vince: arguably the coolest vintage Cleveland uniform photo ever. … Here’s a good photo gallery of all the FIFA World Cup soccer balls since 1970 (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). … Andrew McNeel points out that if Baylor’s going to do the “gold-out” thing, they really need to settle on one shade of gold for their jersey, pants, helmet, end zone, and fans. … Gophers WR Troy Stoudermire had some helmet decal issues on Saturday (screen shot courtesy of Jesse Larson). … Interesting hockey/CFL crossover story here (with thanks to Will Leslie). … Good survey of Minnesota Wild jersey history here (with thanks to Chris Hodge). … What is this? It’s a pie chart that shows the relative ratio of colors in all the world’s national flags. The individual flag pie charts are here — mouse over any of the pie charts to see which country it represents, and click on the chart to see the actual flag. And as this guy points out, the international flag scene is gratifyingly devoid of purple (great find, Kirsten). … Non-sports uni revelation from my weekend trip to Louisiana: I flew on Northwest and was stunned to see one stewardess on my outbound flight wearing blue jeans and a Northwest T-shirt. I figured maybe her uniform had gotten lost or stained or something, but there was another jeans-clad crew member on my return flight yesterday. I mean, I wear jeans and a tee most days myself, but come on — how am I supposed to respect the authority of someone telling me to bring my seatback forward when she’s wearing that? … I didn’t know Everlast used to make baseball uniforms until I saw this.

 

201 comments to Monday Morning Uni Watch

  • Peter Wunsch | October 26, 2009 at 9:00 am |

    The interesthing about the flags ios that only a few are not solely rectangluar. Switzerland and the Holy See are squares.

  • SpfldNate | October 26, 2009 at 9:05 am |

    No photos, but have we commented on the Notre Dame helmet issues this season? Every time I’ve watched Notre Dame play this fall, the gold on their helmets seems to be coming off. What’s the deal?

  • =bg= | October 26, 2009 at 9:06 am |

    I was just in the Portland airport and saw a sign about an airline allowing employees to dress casual if they were doing United Way campaign or something- maybe that’s what you saw.

  • Travis | October 26, 2009 at 9:09 am |

    Not that it particularly matters, but the Northwest flight crews are allowed to wear t-shirt and jeans Friday through Sunday this month. It has to do with their donations to a breast cancer charity.

    I’m surprised they didn’t mention it. I flew Northwest last weekend and they talked ALL about it.

  • Dane | October 26, 2009 at 9:12 am |

    I picked this up at Borders over the weekend, and it might be the best $8 ever spent:

    https://secure.theho...

    Just some of the most beautiful photographs you can hope for. And one author even enters the debate: are they jerseys or sweaters?

  • MEMAL | October 26, 2009 at 9:12 am |

    I believe Notre Dame spray paints their helmets a day or two before every game. I’ve noticed the chipping too and I have to say that I’m not surprised if it’s only a day or two old coat of paint.

    Out of the new away throwbacks I have to say that I really like the Titan…errr, I mean the Jet’s over the Chargers. It might not have been better overall, but I guess I just like the powder blues ones too much.

  • DJ | October 26, 2009 at 9:17 am |

    I believe Notre Dame spray paints their helmets a day or two before every game. I’ve noticed the chipping too and I have to say that I’m not surprised if it’s only a day or two old coat of paint.

    The Monday before (so the younger managers will be doing it tonight).

  • Chris M | October 26, 2009 at 9:28 am |

    [quote comment=”356404″]Not that it particularly matters, but the Northwest flight crews are allowed to wear t-shirt and jeans Friday through Sunday this month. It has to do with their donations to a breast cancer charity.[/quote]

    Maybe they should have worn pink accented uniforms instead.

  • War Damn Eagle | October 26, 2009 at 9:31 am |

    Not looking forward to the Yankees’ World Series caps. Going to be very busy with the Stadium patch and the Series patch.

  • Tom V | October 26, 2009 at 9:33 am |

    [quote comment=”356402″]No photos, but have we commented on the Notre Dame helmet issues this season? Every time I’ve watched Notre Dame play this fall, the gold on their helmets seems to be coming off. What’s the deal?[/quote]

    Don’t know if this was mentioned over the weekend, a few Notre Dame players took their Adidas Eye Black (stickers? patches?) and stuck them adjacent to the nose bumper on the front of their helmets. It was nothing short of advertisements on the helmets.

  • Chris | October 26, 2009 at 9:39 am |

    New Era’s latest creations: fitted+knitted=fnitted, cute right? And the unnecessarily marketed balaclavas

  • chance michaels | October 26, 2009 at 9:40 am |

    Paul, let me offer my belated condolences for the loss of your friend. Your tribute on Friday was moving – sounds like quite a guy.

  • Bob A | October 26, 2009 at 9:47 am |

    I was at the 49ers/Texans game yesterday and found myself thinking “I wish I had voted the Niners road unis higher in the Uniwatch poll.” Putting them on the field along with the Texans’ (IMO) underrated home blues made for a great game visually.

  • Ash | October 26, 2009 at 9:47 am |

    In yesterday’s Carolina-Buffalo game, (at least) one of the Panther receivers was wearing a mouthguard with cartoon teeth on them. I think they were cat teeth. No screenshot. I’m looking for a photo.

  • Eric | October 26, 2009 at 9:50 am |

    Your NorthWORST flight didn’t last unusually long, say a little longer than normal, did it? Didn’t see an awful lot of ocean near the end?

    I kid my friends at Northworst…especially since I’m almost under the flight path out of MSP.

  • War Damn Eagle | October 26, 2009 at 9:52 am |

    definitely gonna wear both patches for the series:

    http://shop.mlb.com/...

  • Paul M | October 26, 2009 at 9:56 am |

    Dont know who else bothered to watch- but some time in the 2nd half of Bears/Bengals, the sideline reporter said Chad OchoCinco was wearing a helment with 3 buttons. (one on top strap, 2 on the bottom strap)

    They said he only wears them for physical defenses (Steeler, 1 other team) but added the bears to that last.

    Didnt get a pic, i figured we already covered this.

  • ScottS | October 26, 2009 at 10:06 am |

    Grammar Police sez: gratifyingLY :)

  • timmy b | October 26, 2009 at 10:07 am |

    Late in yesterday’s posts, there was some discussion of differing fonts on the same team in the same game and I think an example was provided from a 1960-1961 Bills white jersey.

    This was not an isolated event back in the day. In fact, I recall the Eagles (70-73), Falcons (66-7?) and ’72 striped Dolphins whites with different fonts on the same jersey. The “2’s” are usually the best example on the fonts. The front numerals were thin and squatter than the back numerals which were a shade taller and thicker. The 2 on the front had that hook thing at the end and the 2 on the back didn’t have that seriffy end. It was flat.

    The ’69 Vikings, I do recall Dave Osborn’s purple #41 seemed to have a differing font than the rest of the team.

    Some teams in the 40’s had different front and back fonts, too.

    If anyone can track the 1970-1973 white helmet Eagles pics, I think you’ll see what I mean.

  • iLO | October 26, 2009 at 10:07 am |

    The Northwest Crew in that picture is performing a “Close-Interval, Dress-Right-Dress. :)”

    You ‘military’ uni-heads know what im talkin’ about.

  • peter | October 26, 2009 at 10:07 am |

    [quote comment=”356416″]definitely gonna wear both patches for the series:

    http://shop.mlb.com/...

    There’s still room on the right panel for advertising…

    That is going to look stupid (almost as bad as that photoshopped logo) with both patches…which I wasn’t a fan of the rear one to begin with…

  • timmy b | October 26, 2009 at 10:08 am |

    On the official World Cup “footballs”, I think the last non-adidas ball used in a World Cup were the Slazengers used in the 1966 England World Cup. Before that, I don’t know.

  • timmy b | October 26, 2009 at 10:10 am |

    The good thing for me about the Phillies in the World Series is that I should be able to pick off the WS Program from my neighborhood Borders or B & N as opposed to mail order or ebay.

  • LI Phil | October 26, 2009 at 10:25 am |

    [quote comment=”356409″]Not looking forward to the Yankees’ World Series caps. Going to be very busy with the Stadium patch and the Series patch.[/quote]

    fixed ;)

  • peter | October 26, 2009 at 10:30 am |

    Phil, is this your equivalent of Baseball Hell?

    Ricko: do you have a retrospect of the 1950 Yankees/Phillies uni vs. today’s?

  • chance michaels | October 26, 2009 at 10:35 am |

    [quote]Phil and his support crew were really dealing over the weekend. In particular, yesterday’s entry, featuring some stellar research by Ricko, is one for the ages. If you didn’t see this material, do yourself a favor and scroll down to take a look.[/quote]
    Wow – that’s some amazing stuff. Well done, guys.

    I can’t decide if it’s wonderful or terrible that the NFL went to FUPP to design its throwbacks.

    Heck, I hope the Brewers and Packers look at my sites when throwback time comes around….

  • LI Phil | October 26, 2009 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment=”356425″]Phil, is this your equivalent of Baseball Hell?[/quote]

    yes

    [quote]Ricko: do you have a retrospect of the 1950 Yankees/Phillies uni vs. today’s?[/quote]

    interestingly enough, they’re almost IDENTICAL to today:

    yankees 1950

    phillies 1950

     

    Slightly different font then in 1950 — more pointy and less round then

    then vs. now … a bit lighter red in color then, as well

    … a bit lighter red in color then, as well

  • Flip | October 26, 2009 at 11:04 am |

    Nice socks on those Creighton uniforms.

    My only quibble with the AFL Legacy unis were shown in your Chargers-Chiefs photo and touched on in your sock entries: Too much black tape. The Bart Starr photo also shows something I’d like to see again: White shoe laces with black cleats.

  • Flip | October 26, 2009 at 11:08 am |

    [quote comment=”356429″]Nice socks on those Creighton uniforms.

    My only quibble with the AFL Legacy unis were shown in your Chargers-Chiefs photo and touched on in your sock entries: Too much black tape. http://www.nfl.com/p... The Bart Starr photo http://sports.espn.g... also shows something I’d like to see again: White shoe laces with black cleats.[/quote]

  • Flip | October 26, 2009 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment=”356429″]Nice socks on those Creighton uniforms. http://farm4.static....

    My only quibble with the AFL Legacy unis were shown in your Chargers-Chiefs photo and touched on in your sock entries: Too much black tape. The Bart Starr photo also shows something I’d like to see again: White shoe laces with black cleats.[/quote]

  • JTH | October 26, 2009 at 11:12 am |

    [quote comment=”356400″]The interesthing about the flags ios that only a few are not solely rectangluar. Switzerland and the Holy See are squares.[/quote]
    Hmmm… I wonder if there’s a connection, what with the Swiss Guard and all.

    One thing I never realized is that the U.S. and U.K. flags do not use the same shades of red and blue. I always thought they were the same.

    Anyway, I got yer non-rectangular national flag right here.

  • Teebz | October 26, 2009 at 11:24 am |

    The green Team Canada jerseys are an abomination, and a total slap to the face for anyone outside of Saskatchewan. Everyone in Western Canada hates the Roughriders. Why would I want to wear anything that has Rider green on it?

    I have total respect for Hockey Canada, but this alternate crap has to stop with international teams. Canada is red-and-white; Hockey Canada is red-white-and-black. The only jersey colours I should ever see are white and red. Those are Canada’s colours.

    The only place one should see a green Team Canada jersey is in practice. And the BFBS abomination can join the practice jersey rotation as well.

  • Kerry P | October 26, 2009 at 11:25 am |

    [quote comment=”356432″][quote comment=”356400″]The interesthing about the flags ios that only a few are not solely rectangluar. Switzerland and the Holy See are squares.[/quote]
    Hmmm… I wonder if there’s a connection, what with the Swiss Guard and all.

    One thing I never realized is that the U.S. and U.K. flags do not use the same shades of red and blue. I always thought they were the same.

    Anyway, I got yer non-rectangular national flag right here.[/quote]
    Yay Nepal. Nice to see them getting some love on here.

    But seriously, I noticed that for the US and UK as well. I think part of the reason you see the difference is due to the image of the flag used. I noticed several other flags where the color shades seemed to be off of what I recall seeing in the olympics. But I have noticed a trend of the blue for anything related to the US to trend more towards navy instead of royal.

  • Juke Early | October 26, 2009 at 11:26 am |

    First—that vintage PURDUE baseball uni shirt is amazing. Sadly well out of my range. But it IS Buy It Now! no waiting to get sniped by some db.

    All you Yanks/Phils haters—STFU. Every 59 years is a huge gap. I pick the Yanks to win in in a 7th game—on Thanksgiving Day…

    As for jeans on air hostrons—don’t care what they wear as long as it ain’t Mae Wests & the flight lands safely.

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 11:28 am |

    [quote comment=”356428″][quote comment=”356425″]Phil, is this your equivalent of Baseball Hell?[/quote]

    yes

    [quote]Ricko: do you have a retrospect of the 1950 Yankees/Phillies uni vs. today’s?[/quote]

    interestingly enough, they’re almost IDENTICAL to today:

    yankees 1950

    phillies 1950

     

    Slightly different font then in 1950 — more pointy and less round then

    then vs. now … a bit lighter red in color then, as well

    … a bit lighter red in color then, as well[/quote]

    Phillies have royal (stars dotting “i”‘s and such) on today’s unis. Not so in 1950.
    Although I never understood why. Has nothing to do with the alts because they went to those unis long before the alts came along.

    Always thought, “What, the thought of just red and white is too scary for you to handle?”

    Must….have….more.
    More….is….better.

    —Ricko

  • mike 2 | October 26, 2009 at 11:32 am |

    [quote comment=”356400″]The interesthing about the flags ios that only a few are not solely rectangluar. Switzerland and the Holy See are squares.[/quote]

    Well, technically a square is a rectangle, so Nepal is the only flag that is not a rectangle :)

    But Canada’s flag is (of course) rectangular but with a different aspect ratio than just about every other flag. The standard aspect ratio is 1.9:1, Canada’s is 2:1.

  • peter | October 26, 2009 at 11:32 am |

    Red & White Teebz?

    On Mark Penxa’s front page he has red & white…

    and speaking of flag’s: the Old Canadian flag on the sleeve patch

    http://www.markpenxa...

  • Teebz | October 26, 2009 at 11:35 am |

    [quote comment=”356438″]Red & White Teebz?

    On Mark Penxa’s front page he has red & white…

    and speaking of flag’s: the Old Canadian flag on the sleeve patch

    http://www.markpenxa...

    I’d hardly call Detroit an “international team”. ;o)

  • The Jeff | October 26, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    [quote comment=”356436″][quote comment=”356428″][quote comment=”356425″]Phil, is this your equivalent of Baseball Hell?[/quote]

    yes

    [quote]Ricko: do you have a retrospect of the 1950 Yankees/Phillies uni vs. today’s?[/quote]

    interestingly enough, they’re almost IDENTICAL to today:

    yankees 1950

    phillies 1950

     

    Slightly different font then in 1950 — more pointy and less round then

    then vs. now … a bit lighter red in color then, as well

    … a bit lighter red in color then, as well[/quote]

    Phillies have royal (stars dotting “i”‘s and such) on today’s unis. Not so in 1950.
    Although I never understood why. Has nothing to do with the alts because they went to those unis long before the alts came along.

    Always thought, “What, the thought of just red and white is too scary for you to handle?”

    Must….have….more.
    More….is….better.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Considering that 1950 logo also has blue stars on it, why didn’t the uniform?

  • JTH | October 26, 2009 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”356440″][quote comment=”356436″][quote comment=”356428″][quote comment=”356425″]Phil, is this your equivalent of Baseball Hell?[/quote]

    yes

    [quote]Ricko: do you have a retrospect of the 1950 Yankees/Phillies uni vs. today’s?[/quote]

    interestingly enough, they’re almost IDENTICAL to today:

    yankees 1950

    phillies 1950

     

    Slightly different font then in 1950 — more pointy and less round then

    then vs. now … a bit lighter red in color then, as well

    … a bit lighter red in color then, as well[/quote]

    Phillies have royal (stars dotting “i”‘s and such) on today’s unis. Not so in 1950.
    Although I never understood why. Has nothing to do with the alts because they went to those unis long before the alts came along.

    Always thought, “What, the thought of just red and white is too scary for you to handle?”

    Must….have….more.
    More….is….better.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Considering that 1950 logo also has blue stars on it, why didn’t the uniform?[/quote]
    So that these would never see the field?

  • mike 2 | October 26, 2009 at 11:41 am |

    [quote comment=”356433″]The green Team Canada jerseys are an abomination, and a total slap to the face for anyone outside of Saskatchewan. Everyone in Western Canada hates the Roughriders. Why would I want to wear anything that has Rider green on it?

    I have total respect for Hockey Canada, but this alternate crap has to stop with international teams. Canada is red-and-white; Hockey Canada is red-white-and-black. The only jersey colours I should ever see are white and red. Those are Canada’s colours.

    The only place one should see a green Team Canada jersey is in practice. And the BFBS abomination can join the practice jersey rotation as well.[/quote]

    Agree 99%.

    But I would make an exception for accurate throwbacks, like these from the 2004 World Championships.

    http://inlinethumb33...

  • The Jeff | October 26, 2009 at 11:41 am |

    [quote comment=”356441″][quote comment=”356440″][quote comment=”356436″][quote comment=”356428″][quote comment=”356425″]Phil, is this your equivalent of Baseball Hell?[/quote]

    yes

    [quote]Ricko: do you have a retrospect of the 1950 Yankees/Phillies uni vs. today’s?[/quote]

    interestingly enough, they’re almost IDENTICAL to today:

    yankees 1950

    phillies 1950

     

    Slightly different font then in 1950 — more pointy and less round then

    then vs. now … a bit lighter red in color then, as well

    … a bit lighter red in color then, as well[/quote]

    Phillies have royal (stars dotting “i”‘s and such) on today’s unis. Not so in 1950.
    Although I never understood why. Has nothing to do with the alts because they went to those unis long before the alts came along.

    Always thought, “What, the thought of just red and white is too scary for you to handle?”

    Must….have….more.
    More….is….better.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Considering that 1950 logo also has blue stars on it, why didn’t the uniform?[/quote]
    So that these would never see the field?[/quote]

    Good point.

    It could be worse, they could use the color of their goofy looking mascot for an alternate. :D

  • LI Phil | October 26, 2009 at 11:42 am |

    [quote comment=”356436″]Phillies have royal (stars dotting “i”‘s and such) on today’s unis. Not so in 1950.[/quote]

    yeah…nice catch

    funny how creamer shows the blue stars, not red … did they have blue stars in their logo but not on their uni?

  • MPowers1634 | October 26, 2009 at 11:42 am |

    Perfect timing…I’m in the market for some black with white northwestern striped referee stirrups.

  • justin | October 26, 2009 at 11:46 am |

    i was at that baylor vs ok state game…. although the gold shades were a bit off….. that is a sweet look…. too bad my pokes gave em’ the business!

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 11:49 am |

    [quote comment=”356444″][quote comment=”356436″]Phillies have royal (stars dotting “i”‘s and such) on today’s unis. Not so in 1950.[/quote]

    yeah…nice catch

    funny how creamer shows the blue stars, not red … did they have blue stars in their logo but not on their uni?[/quote]

    No blue on 1950 Phillies. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

    When they went to the red pins (’49? ’50?) they ditched blue completely.

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | October 26, 2009 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”356442″][quote comment=”356433″]The green Team Canada jerseys are an abomination, and a total slap to the face for anyone outside of Saskatchewan. Everyone in Western Canada hates the Roughriders. Why would I want to wear anything that has Rider green on it?

    I have total respect for Hockey Canada, but this alternate crap has to stop with international teams. Canada is red-and-white; Hockey Canada is red-white-and-black. The only jersey colours I should ever see are white and red. Those are Canada’s colours.

    The only place one should see a green Team Canada jersey is in practice. And the BFBS abomination can join the practice jersey rotation as well.[/quote]

    Agree 99%.

    But I would make an exception for accurate throwbacks, like these from the 2004 World Championships.

    http://inlinethumb33...

    Throwbacks are different. They were worn by a Canadian team at some point, so I’m ok with them. If the jersey represented Canada in the past as a primary jersey, it gets a pass. If it’s simply a marketing/sales generator, it gets an “epic fail”.

    Good point, though, Mike. I agree with this.

  • Nate | October 26, 2009 at 11:56 am |

    The gold issue is common for any Nike school who uses “old gold” or a more bronze gold.

    Vegas gold, as shown on the Baylor picture is the only choice and it looks horrible. Purdue had this issue when they went Vegas Gold for their home jersey. Didn’t match the helmet or the the traditional “old gold”

    GA Tech, Wake and Vandy are schools that come to mind with this problem.

  • Kerry P | October 26, 2009 at 11:57 am |

    Not sure if anyone posted a link to this over the weekend, but MentalFloss.com is running an article on it’s daily blog right now as the feature item: What’s With the Uniforms? The Stories Behind the AFL Throwbacks.

  • The Jeff | October 26, 2009 at 11:57 am |

    [quote comment=”356448″][quote comment=”356442″][quote comment=”356433″]The green Team Canada jerseys are an abomination, and a total slap to the face for anyone outside of Saskatchewan. Everyone in Western Canada hates the Roughriders. Why would I want to wear anything that has Rider green on it?

    I have total respect for Hockey Canada, but this alternate crap has to stop with international teams. Canada is red-and-white; Hockey Canada is red-white-and-black. The only jersey colours I should ever see are white and red. Those are Canada’s colours.

    The only place one should see a green Team Canada jersey is in practice. And the BFBS abomination can join the practice jersey rotation as well.[/quote]

    Agree 99%.

    But I would make an exception for accurate throwbacks, like these from the 2004 World Championships.

    http://inlinethumb33...

    Throwbacks are different. They were worn by a Canadian team at some point, so I’m ok with them. If the jersey represented Canada in the past as a primary jersey, it gets a pass. If it’s simply a marketing/sales generator, it gets an “epic fail”.

    Good point, though, Mike. I agree with this.[/quote]

    What if it’s a throwback to a uniform that was originally a marketing gimmick?

  • War Damn Eagle | October 26, 2009 at 12:05 pm |

    Different number font for the ’50 Phillies, too.

    http://www.dotphoto....

    And the cap logo had a more swurvy feel to it:

    http://members.socke...

    With a white squatchee instead of blue:

    http://thebsreport.f...
    (and no blue stars, either)

  • Broadway Connie | October 26, 2009 at 12:06 pm |

    “… Fairly quiet day in the NFL yesterday: Got our first looks at the Chargers’ and Jets’ road throwbacks (both really nice, right?)…”

    ***

    Absolutely. The Charger throwback is unsurpassed.

  • Gusto44 | October 26, 2009 at 12:13 pm |

    [quote comment=”356454″]”… Fairly quiet day in the NFL yesterday: Got our first looks at the Chargers’ and Jets’ road throwbacks (both really nice, right?)…”

    ***

    Absolutely. The Charger throwback is unsurpassed.[/quote]

    Love the Chargers throwback, the Steelers throwback is stunning as well. Wish the Raiders would return to silver numbers, with the bolder black outlines, they are easier to see than the 1970 version.

  • Kenny Jacobson | October 26, 2009 at 12:14 pm |

    The Phillies’ uni may be close to what it was in 1950 but it sure has taken a long and winding road in getting back there.

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 12:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”356453″]Different number font for the ’50 Phillies, too.

    http://www.dotphoto....

    And the cap logo had a more swurvy feel to it:

    http://members.socke...

    With a white squatchee instead of blue:

    http://thebsreport.f...
    (and no blue stars, either)[/quote]

    Told ya. ;)

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | October 26, 2009 at 12:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”356450″]Not sure if anyone posted a link to this over the weekend, but MentalFloss.com is running an article on it’s daily blog right now as the feature item: What’s With the Uniforms? The Stories Behind the AFL Throwbacks.[/quote]

    not over the weekend (to my knowledge)…but it was mentioned in today’s ticker

    definitely a good read

    and lending more “credence” to ricko’s blue pony theory is this:

    [quote] As Ed Gruver recalls in The American Football League, when Denver hired its second coach, Jack Faulkner, the Broncos declared “There’s Lots New in ’62!” Mercifully, that included the uniforms. Faulkner invited players to burn the vertically striped socks at the intrasquad game and designed the team’s new uniforms, which introduced the orange and blue color scheme that Denver has maintained to this day.[/quote]

    why would they make such a big deal about the blue and orange and have a brown pony (other than the fact that, well, pony’s are brown)…but it makes NO SENSE whatsoever to introduce a new colorscheme and still keep the vestigial brown on the helmet — seems to me the’d want to ditch any and all brown and mustard from their colorscheme

    yes, i know

  • Kerry P | October 26, 2009 at 12:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”356458″][quote comment=”356450″]Not sure if anyone posted a link to this over the weekend, but MentalFloss.com is running an article on it’s daily blog right now as the feature item: What’s With the Uniforms? The Stories Behind the AFL Throwbacks.[/quote]

    not over the weekend (to my knowledge)…but it was mentioned in today’s ticker

    definitely a good read[/quote]
    Well don’t I feel like an ass now.

    Sorry about that. Not sure how I missed that item in the ticker…except that I can’t see half of the links Paul usually puts in the ticker thanks to my employer’s Internet blocker. Ixnay on the Flickr pictures. I usually miss out on half of the ticker items because of that. So I typically just scan the ticker and look at the link addresses in the bottom of my web browser before clicking on them. Must have gone right past that one.

  • M.Princip | October 26, 2009 at 12:23 pm |

    Possible look for our NFL Ref’s headgear next year,Bern Skateboard Helmet. This isn’t what they’re actually proposing, just something I could see them wearing? Or, maybe something like this military helmet? However, please not this. ;o/

  • JimV19 | October 26, 2009 at 12:25 pm |

    FNOB expalnation from USFL.info:
    “Playing alongside big brother Brad as a member of the Philadelphia/Baltimore Stars, Bart Oates was one of only two players in the USFL’s history (Brad being the other) to have his full name on his uniform.”

  • LI Phil | October 26, 2009 at 12:25 pm |

    [quote]Well don’t I feel like an ass now[/quote]

    oh…please…not at all

    im GLAD you mentioned it because i had completely forgotten it was in the ticker, and i had wanted to post that bit on the broncos…and you gave me the perfect lede…

    and if we all had a nickel for everytime something was mentioned in the comments several times over…we’d be several nickels richer

    im glad you mentioned it!

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 12:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”356458″][quote comment=”356450″]Not sure if anyone posted a link to this over the weekend, but MentalFloss.com is running an article on it’s daily blog right now as the feature item: What’s With the Uniforms? The Stories Behind the AFL Throwbacks.[/quote]

    not over the weekend (to my knowledge)…but it was mentioned in today’s ticker

    definitely a good read

    and lending more “credence” to ricko’s blue pony theory is this:

    [quote] As Ed Gruver recalls in The American Football League, when Denver hired its second coach, Jack Faulkner, the Broncos declared “There’s Lots New in ’62!” Mercifully, that included the uniforms. Faulkner invited players to burn the vertically striped socks at the intrasquad game and designed the team’s new uniforms, which introduced the orange and blue color scheme that Denver has maintained to this day.[/quote]

    why would they make such a big deal about the blue and orange and have a brown pony (other than the fact that, well, pony’s are brown)…but it makes NO SENSE whatsoever to introduce a new colorscheme and still keep the vestigial brown on the helmet — seems to me the’d want to ditch any and all brown and mustard from their colorscheme

    yes, i know[/quote]

    Question any source claiming Broncos’ colors ever were Orange and Brown. It indicates their research isn’t solid.

    ’60 x ’61…Brown and Gold
    ’62 until today…Orange and Blue

    —Ricko

  • FlyGuy | October 26, 2009 at 12:35 pm |

    Latest NHL team to project completely annoying ads on the boards during the TV broadcast: the Blackhawks, as seen here and here (as reported by Chaz Noerenberg).

    If the Flyers decide to go this route, “Sign Man” will have some stiff competition.
    http://images.google...

  • Paul Lukas | October 26, 2009 at 12:36 pm |

    Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • steveo | October 26, 2009 at 12:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”356420″]The Northwest Crew in that picture is performing a “Close-Interval, Dress-Right-Dress. :)”

    You ‘military’ uni-heads know what im talkin’ about.[/quote]

    iLo,

    I was trolling through the comments to see if anyone had said what you said. Immediately when I saw it, i thought of Final Drill at PI.

  • JimV19 | October 26, 2009 at 12:42 pm |

    Mr. Marshall, you have given me the arduous task of trying to figure out what football socks I want. I think I have it down to four choices now…

    That ’48 Rose Bowl footage was fantastic! Loved the offense and the endzones.

    Jets road throwbacks are awesome.

  • FootballPhysics | October 26, 2009 at 12:46 pm |

    THE RAINBOW EFFECT:

    Can anyone explain why the sleeve stripes on L.S.U.’s white jerseys (and also on the old Minn.Vikings jerseys) give off a rainbow effect on a CRT television screen?
    http://www.secsports...

    This visual phenomenon does not appear on photos, only television broadcasts.

  • FootballPhysics | October 26, 2009 at 12:48 pm |

    THE RAINBOW EFFECT:

    Can anyone explain why the sleeve stripes on L.S.U.’s white jerseys (and also on the old Minn.Vikings jerseys) give off a rainbow effect on a CRT television screen?
    This visual phenomenon does not appear on photos, only television broadcasts.

    http://cdn3.ioffer.c...

    http://serpins.med.u...

  • Joe | October 26, 2009 at 12:55 pm |

    During the Flyers game last night, the broadcast guys were talking about their favorite and least favorite NHL unis. They said Vancouver’s yellow and red road jerseys from the 70’s and the current Thrasher’s unis were the worst and they all loved the Blackhawks jersey. I wish I could find a clip of it, it was pretty interesting. They also talked about the California Golden Sealers and their white skates.

  • The Jeff | October 26, 2009 at 12:56 pm |

    [quote comment=”356471″]THE RAINBOW EFFECT:

    Can anyone explain why the sleeve stripes on L.S.U.’s white jerseys (and also on the old Minn.Vikings jerseys) give off a rainbow effect on a CRT television screen?
    This visual phenomenon does not appear on photos, only television broadcasts.

    http://cdn3.ioffer.c...

    http://serpins.med.u...

    What exactly is this Rainbow Effect of which you speak?

  • leaky | October 26, 2009 at 1:01 pm |

    • You may have noticed some players wearing undersleeves during the Sun-Warriors preseason game on Oct. 10. That’s because the game was played outdoors, so the players had special permission from the league to wear sleeves. Could this eventually lead to sleeves being allowed for regular-season games? Something to keep an eye on.

    http://farm3.static....

    Only the NBA could be clueless enough to play an “outdoor” game at “night”. This completely kills the suns’ obvious “outdoors” effect. The game looks like another indoor game. Nice job Stern.

  • leaky | October 26, 2009 at 1:05 pm |

    • Unfortunate downgrade for the Bobcats, who have a new pinstriped uni set (here’s the rear view). When will the NBA learn that pinstripes don’t make sense on players who are already 37 feet tall?

    When your absentee Team President is Michael Jordan why don’t you take a clue from his design playbook and really think out of the box and feature this for your hoops uni?

    http://www.independe...

  • Mike | October 26, 2009 at 1:11 pm |

    Yesterday marked the 10th anniversary of the plane crash that killed Payne Stewart. Chapeaunoirgolf.com has a gallery of Stewart images, including Payne in NFL sponsored gear.

  • rocketman | October 26, 2009 at 1:16 pm |

    The Chargers’ all-white uniform is a great look; in fact, I think it’s the best looking uniform in NFL history (the Rams’ blue-white uniforms of the 1960s are the runners-up).

    The Jets (er, Titans) white throwback jersey is certainly better than their home jersey, but when I first saw it, I briefly thought the Raiders were hosting the Steelers.

  • dgc | October 26, 2009 at 1:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”356433″]The green Team Canada jerseys are an abomination, and a total slap to the face for anyone outside of Saskatchewan. Everyone in Western Canada hates the Roughriders. Why would I want to wear anything that has Rider green on it?

    I have total respect for Hockey Canada, but this alternate crap has to stop with international teams. Canada is red-and-white; Hockey Canada is red-white-and-black. The only jersey colours I should ever see are white and red. Those are Canada’s colours.

    The only place one should see a green Team Canada jersey is in practice. And the BFBS abomination can join the practice jersey rotation as well.[/quote]

    Which is why I didn’t get the whole Hockey Canada logo controversy. White, red, maple leaf, “Canada”. Slap on an official Olympic gear tag and profit.

  • ryan | October 26, 2009 at 1:48 pm |

    I saw the NY Giants for the first time on last nights’ primetime game and notice that all of their jerseys were now mesh-less, and the Reebok logo was inconsistently colored – it was white for some and an off-color blue for most. Can anyone point me in the right direction why/when this change occured? Thanks!

    My apologies if I missed this earlier in the season but I just moved and was away from the site for a while.

  • mike 2 | October 26, 2009 at 2:00 pm |

    http://farm3.static....

    I would not be the slightest bit annoyed if the Raptors abandoned the purple, red, black colour scheme, the Raptors nickname, the Barney mascot and branding, and adopted the Huskies nickname and look.

  • TommyD | October 26, 2009 at 2:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    “Next March, the league once again will be running its Noche Latina promotion, which will feature seven teams wearing “El” and “Los” jerseys.”

    http://farm3.static....

    how 7? is there a team in the 4 games that isn’t participating?

  • TommyD | October 26, 2009 at 2:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”356482″]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2658/4029444213_c5ee904f11_o.png

    I would not be the slightest bit annoyed if the Raptors abandoned the purple, red, black colour scheme, the Raptors nickname, the Barney mascot and branding, and adopted the Huskies nickname and look.[/quote]

    seems like a no-brainer. “Raptors” is so dated… TWICE!

  • Natron | October 26, 2009 at 2:02 pm |

    FYI – according to this The Twins will officially be unveiling their new logo and unis on Novemeber 9th.

    Evidently, they are finally getting rid of the pinstripes on the grays, and going with either this logo, or some updated version of it, and they’ll be introducing a cream colored home alternate that is similar to what they wore in 1961 to honor the team’s 50th year in Minnesota.

  • mmwatkin | October 26, 2009 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”356471″]THE RAINBOW EFFECT:

    Can anyone explain why the sleeve stripes on L.S.U.’s white jerseys (and also on the old Minn.Vikings jerseys) give off a rainbow effect on a CRT television screen?
    This visual phenomenon does not appear on photos, only television broadcasts.

    http://cdn3.ioffer.c...

    http://serpins.med.u...

    you wouldn’t happen to have a DLP television, would you?

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 2:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”356478″]The Chargers’ all-white uniform is a great look; in fact, I think it’s the best looking uniform in NFL history (the Rams’ blue-white uniforms of the 1960s are the runners-up).

    The Jets (er, Titans) white throwback jersey is certainly better than their home jersey, but when I first saw it, I briefly thought the Raiders were hosting the Steelers.[/quote]

    Ah, yes, but in the curious undulations of the time-space continuum, had you tuned in ’61 (when those particular Titans unis were first worn), you’d not have been confused, because this is what the Steelers wore back then…
    http://farm3.static....

    Actually, you’d also have been watching a black and white telecast.

    And the Raiders would have been in black and gold, with black helmets. In ’61.

    In fact, here’s a photo from NY Titans vs. Oakland Raiders at Candelstick Park, 1961…
    http://farm4.static....

    (I get your point, though…just noting how things have changed.)

    —Ricko

  • Natron | October 26, 2009 at 2:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”356485″]FYI – according to this The Twins will officially be unveiling their new logo and unis on Novemeber 9th.
    [/quote]

    I should have said the “week of” the 9th. My bad.

  • Chris M | October 26, 2009 at 2:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Is anyone else getting a little sick of the all of the throwbacks and alernates?

    Here is a question that will be tough for Uni-Watchers to find out – When was the last time one of the 4 major sports went an entire season without one team wearing a throwback uniform?

  • War Damn Eagle | October 26, 2009 at 2:10 pm |

    Love those Toronto Huskies throwbacks. Is the coloring on the waistband meant to give the illusion that the player is wearing belt? If so, I like the old-school nod.

    http://farm3.static....

  • Paul Lukas | October 26, 2009 at 2:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”356490″]Love those Toronto Huskies throwbacks. Is the coloring on the waistband meant to give the illusion that the player is wearing belt? If so, I like the old-school nod.

    http://farm3.static....

    Yes, that’s the concept.

  • mike 2 | October 26, 2009 at 2:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”356490″]Love those Toronto Huskies throwbacks. Is the coloring on the waistband meant to give the illusion that the player is wearing belt? If so, I like the old-school nod.

    http://farm3.static....

    Until I zoomed in, I thought it actually was a belt. Still, its a sweet look.

  • JTH | October 26, 2009 at 2:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”356484″][quote comment=”356482″]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2658/4029444213_c5ee904f11_o.png

    I would not be the slightest bit annoyed if the Raptors abandoned the purple, red, black colour scheme, the Raptors nickname, the Barney mascot and branding, and adopted the Huskies nickname and look.[/quote]

    seems like a no-brainer. “Raptors” is so dated… TWICE![/quote]
    I don’t have a problem with the name, but they need to ditch the dinosaur association. Raptor is a term that’s used interchangeably with “bird of prey.” That gives them a pretty good range of mascot inspiration. I suppose hawk would be the only one that’s off-limits. Maybe an owl-based logo? I can’t think of any top-tier North American sports league that has a team with an Owl logo/mascot.

    Oh, and I love the faux belt in the waistband of the throwback shorts.

  • The Jeff | October 26, 2009 at 2:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”356483″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    “Next March, the league once again will be running its Noche Latina promotion, which will feature seven teams wearing “El” and “Los” jerseys.”

    http://farm3.static....

    how 7? is there a team in the 4 games that isn’t participating?[/quote]

    I would assume that the 8th team would be San Diego. They’ve already got a spanish name.

    For the record I think this promotion is beyond stupid. The team names are what they are. They’re not “los Gigantes”, they’re the Giants. I’ve watched bits and pieces of spanish language TV, sports names usually aren’t translated. I always thought it was funny while channel surfing and hitting the spanish station doing sports news. Bunch of stuff I didn’t understand with TOUCHDOWN or NEW YORK METS in unaccented english right in the middle of it.

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 2:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”356489″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Is anyone else getting a little sick of the all of the throwbacks and alernates?

    Here is a question that will be tough for Uni-Watchers to find out – When was the last time one of the 4 major sports went an entire season without one team wearing a throwback uniform?[/quote]

    Yeah, but the game isn’t enough anymore.
    Gotta have changing unis, blaring music, dancelines, t-shirt cannons, shoot-from-half-court-for-free-White-Castle-for-Life, sausage races, sixth-grade gymnasts, pygmy bowling, dueling snowshovels, Bavarian Glockenspeil
    Drill Team…

    —Ricko

  • War Damn Eagle | October 26, 2009 at 2:20 pm |

    The new shooting shirts look like adidas template soccer jerseys.

  • mmwatkin | October 26, 2009 at 2:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”356493″][quote comment=”356484″][quote comment=”356482″]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2658/4029444213_c5ee904f11_o.png

    I would not be the slightest bit annoyed if the Raptors abandoned the purple, red, black colour scheme, the Raptors nickname, the Barney mascot and branding, and adopted the Huskies nickname and look.[/quote]

    seems like a no-brainer. “Raptors” is so dated… TWICE![/quote]
    I don’t have a problem with the name, but they need to ditch the dinosaur association. Raptor is a term that’s used interchangeably with “bird of prey.” That gives them a pretty good range of mascot inspiration. I suppose hawk would be the only one that’s off-limits. Maybe an owl-based logo? I can’t think of any top-tier North American sports league that has a team with an Owl logo/mascot.

    Oh, and I love the faux belt in the waistband of the throwback shorts.[/quote]

    I think they should rebrand to what scientists have discovered what velociraptors look more like

    http://upload.wikime...

    http://upload.wikime...

  • LI Phil | October 26, 2009 at 2:21 pm |

    [quote]they are finally getting rid of the pinstripes on the grays[/quote]

    sweet

  • LI Phil | October 26, 2009 at 2:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”356494″][quote comment=”356483″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    “Next March, the league once again will be running its Noche Latina promotion, which will feature seven teams wearing “El” and “Los” jerseys.”

    http://farm3.static....

    how 7? is there a team in the 4 games that isn’t participating?[/quote]

    I would assume that the 8th team would be San Diego. They’ve already got a spanish name.[/quote]

    san diego has a basketball team?

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 2:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”356494″][quote comment=”356483″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    “Next March, the league once again will be running its Noche Latina promotion, which will feature seven teams wearing “El” and “Los” jerseys.”

    http://farm3.static....

    how 7? is there a team in the 4 games that isn’t participating?[/quote]

    I would assume that the 8th team would be San Diego. They’ve already got a spanish name.

    For the record I think this promotion is beyond stupid. The team names are what they are. They’re not “los Gigantes”, they’re the Giants. I’ve watched bits and pieces of spanish language TV, sports names usually aren’t translated. I always thought it was funny while channel surfing and hitting the spanish station doing sports news. Bunch of stuff I didn’t understand with TOUCHDOWN or NEW YORK METS in unaccented english right in the middle of it.[/quote]

    And think about it, Jeff. If you lived in Durango, Mexico, and the local team was the Durango Vaqueros…and they had “Salute to Americans” Night, wearing jerseys that said, “THE Vaqueros” wouldn’t you feel just all special?

    LOL

    —Ricko

  • War Damn Eagle | October 26, 2009 at 2:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”356485″]FYI – according to this The Twins will officially be unveiling their new logo and unis on Novemeber 9th.

    Evidently, they are finally getting rid of the pinstripes on the grays, and going with either this logo, or some updated version of it, and they’ll be introducing a cream colored home alternate that is similar to what they wore in 1961 to honor the team’s 50th year in Minnesota.[/quote]

    So Minnesota’s road unis will look a little like these:

    http://www.exclusive...

  • The Jeff | October 26, 2009 at 2:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”356489″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Is anyone else getting a little sick of the all of the throwbacks and alernates?

    Here is a question that will be tough for Uni-Watchers to find out – When was the last time one of the 4 major sports went an entire season without one team wearing a throwback uniform?[/quote]

    Probably 1999 for the NFL. I think the Chargers started using the powder blue as an alt in 2000.

  • flip | October 26, 2009 at 2:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”356489″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Is anyone else getting a little sick of the all of the throwbacks and alernates?

    Here is a question that will be tough for Uni-Watchers to find out – When was the last time one of the 4 major sports went an entire season without one team wearing a throwback uniform?[/quote]

    Good question, I was just wondering that last week. Were the White Sox the first to do the throwback?

  • Natron | October 26, 2009 at 2:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”356489″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Is anyone else getting a little sick of the all of the throwbacks and alernates?

    Here is a question that will be tough for Uni-Watchers to find out – When was the last time one of the 4 major sports went an entire season without one team wearing a throwback uniform?[/quote]

    Wouldn’t the answer to that be 2 years ago in the NHL when the Edge jerseys launched? I thought all the teams only had 1 home and 1 road, and then last year they were able to go back and add alts.

  • The Jeff | October 26, 2009 at 2:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”356499″][quote comment=”356494″][quote comment=”356483″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    “Next March, the league once again will be running its Noche Latina promotion, which will feature seven teams wearing “El” and “Los” jerseys.”

    http://farm3.static....

    how 7? is there a team in the 4 games that isn’t participating?[/quote]

    I would assume that the 8th team would be San Diego. They’ve already got a spanish name.[/quote]

    san diego has a basketball team?[/quote]

    Oh hell. I totally skimmed that and missed that it was basketball instead of baseball.

    Dammit. I guess that’s a rather massive fail for me there.

  • Natron | October 26, 2009 at 2:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”356504″][quote comment=”356489″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Is anyone else getting a little sick of the all of the throwbacks and alernates?

    Here is a question that will be tough for Uni-Watchers to find out – When was the last time one of the 4 major sports went an entire season without one team wearing a throwback uniform?[/quote]

    Wouldn’t the answer to that be 2 years ago in the NHL when the Edge jerseys launched? I thought all the teams only had 1 home and 1 road, and then last year they were able to go back and add alts.[/quote]

    Crap… I forgot about the Winter Classic.

    Nevermind.

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 2:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”356501″][quote comment=”356485″]FYI – according to this The Twins will officially be unveiling their new logo and unis on Novemeber 9th.

    Evidently, they are finally getting rid of the pinstripes on the grays, and going with either this logo, or some updated version of it, and they’ll be introducing a cream colored home alternate that is similar to what they wore in 1961 to honor the team’s 50th year in Minnesota.[/quote]

    So Minnesota’s road unis will look a little like these:

    http://www.exclusive...

    Don’t know where they dredged up that logo. Looks like something off a beer-company sponsored pocket schedule from 1962. Certainly has never been an official Twins logo of any kind. Oh, maybe was used on a scorecard cover or something.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 2:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”356507″][quote comment=”356501″][quote comment=”356485″]FYI – according to this The Twins will officially be unveiling their new logo and unis on Novemeber 9th.

    Evidently, they are finally getting rid of the pinstripes on the grays, and going with either this logo, or some updated version of it, and they’ll be introducing a cream colored home alternate that is similar to what they wore in 1961 to honor the team’s 50th year in Minnesota.[/quote]

    So Minnesota’s road unis will look a little like these:

    http://www.exclusive...

    Don’t know where they dredged up that logo. Looks like something off a beer-company sponsored pocket schedule from 1962. Certainly has never been an official Twins logo of any kind. Oh, maybe was used on a scorecard cover or something.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Come to think of it, might have been on the dugout jackets for a while, but never on jerseys.

  • Colin | October 26, 2009 at 2:37 pm |

    Two Things. What was with the extra sticker on Iowa’s QB’s helmet?
    http://bleacherrepor...

    Relating to the Page 2 article(probably old news now), Kerri Walsh wore that tape stuff in the 08 olympics
    http://bmartinmd.com...

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 2:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”356503″][quote comment=”356489″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Is anyone else getting a little sick of the all of the throwbacks and alernates?

    Here is a question that will be tough for Uni-Watchers to find out – When was the last time one of the 4 major sports went an entire season without one team wearing a throwback uniform?[/quote]

    Good question, I was just wondering that last week. Were the White Sox the first to do the throwback?[/quote]

    Yes. Had the first “Turn Back the Clock” promotion.
    From Minneapolis Star/Tribune…
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • Kyle | October 26, 2009 at 2:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”356449″]The gold issue is common for any Nike school who uses “old gold” or a more bronze gold.

    Vegas gold, as shown on the Baylor picture is the only choice and it looks horrible. Purdue had this issue when they went Vegas Gold for their home jersey. Didn’t match the helmet or the the traditional “old gold”

    GA Tech, Wake and Vandy are schools that come to mind with this problem.[/quote]

    And Pitt, but we also clash against Steeler-gold in our own stadium.

  • JTH | October 26, 2009 at 2:41 pm |

    [quote comment=”356502″][quote comment=”356489″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Is anyone else getting a little sick of the all of the throwbacks and alernates?

    Here is a question that will be tough for Uni-Watchers to find out – When was the last time one of the 4 major sports went an entire season without one team wearing a throwback uniform?[/quote]

    Probably 1999 for the NFL. I think the Chargers started using the powder blue as an alt in 2000.[/quote]
    Good call, but I don’t think it achieved “permanent alt” status until 2002.

    In other words, they wore it in 2000 as part of the celebration of their 40th season in San Diego. I don’t think it was worn the following year, but it was brought back due to popular demand in 2002.

  • Casey | October 26, 2009 at 2:44 pm |

    What’s with this picture linked to in the ESPN article? It’s of the Jazz playing the Bobcats, but on the Lakers’ home court:

    http://d.yimg.com/a/...

  • Casey | October 26, 2009 at 2:47 pm |

    Here’s the game recap, with no mention of why they were playing there:

    http://sports.espn.g...

  • The Jeff | October 26, 2009 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”356513″][quote comment=”356502″][quote comment=”356489″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Is anyone else getting a little sick of the all of the throwbacks and alernates?

    Here is a question that will be tough for Uni-Watchers to find out – When was the last time one of the 4 major sports went an entire season without one team wearing a throwback uniform?[/quote]

    Probably 1999 for the NFL. I think the Chargers started using the powder blue as an alt in 2000.[/quote]
    Good call, but I don’t think it achieved “permanent alt” status until 2002.

    In other words, they wore it in 2000 as part of the celebration of their 40th season in San Diego. I don’t think it was worn the following year, but it was brought back due to popular demand in 2002.[/quote]

    Yeah, you’re right. But 2001 was the rebirth of the Lions lame logoless thanksgiving uniform, so 1999 is the last year with no NFL teams in throwbacks.

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”356509″]Two Things. What was with the extra sticker on Iowa’s QB’s helmet?
    http://bleacherrepor...

    Relating to the Page 2 article(probably old news now), Kerri Walsh wore that tape stuff in the 08 olympics
    http://bmartinmd.com...

    ANF…America Needs Farmers.
    http://www.clearlake...

    (That’s three straight times now that I’ve fielded that question. Someone else take it next time, okay? LOL)

    —Ricko

  • M.Princip | October 26, 2009 at 2:53 pm |

    AFL related uniform news. Pretty big hullabaloo within the collecting world over this very rare 1964 NY Jets helmet. They only wore these for one year before they realized they needed to invert the green. Quite an interesting story with this particular helmet as well.

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 2:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”356518″][quote comment=”356513″][quote comment=”356502″][quote comment=”356489″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Is anyone else getting a little sick of the all of the throwbacks and alernates?

    Here is a question that will be tough for Uni-Watchers to find out – When was the last time one of the 4 major sports went an entire season without one team wearing a throwback uniform?[/quote]

    Probably 1999 for the NFL. I think the Chargers started using the powder blue as an alt in 2000.[/quote]
    Good call, but I don’t think it achieved “permanent alt” status until 2002.

    In other words, they wore it in 2000 as part of the celebration of their 40th season in San Diego. I don’t think it was worn the following year, but it was brought back due to popular demand in 2002.[/quote]

    Yeah, you’re right. But 2001 was the rebirth of the Lions lame logoless thanksgiving uniform, so 1999 is the last year with no NFL teams in throwbacks.[/quote]

    When did Vikings start wearing the NW striped jerseys again after the 75th celebration in ’94?

    I honestly don’t recall, but seems like wasn’t until recently.

    —Ricko

  • iLO | October 26, 2009 at 2:54 pm |

    [quote comment=”356468″][quote comment=”356420″]The Northwest Crew in that picture is performing a “Close-Interval, Dress-Right-Dress. :)”

    You ‘military’ uni-heads know what im talkin’ about.[/quote]

    iLo,

    I was trolling through the comments to see if anyone had said what you said. Immediately when I saw it, i thought of Final Drill at PI.[/quote]

    Good eye, leatherneck. ;)

  • JTH | October 26, 2009 at 2:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”356517″]Here’s the game recap, with no mention of why they were playing there:

    http://sports.espn.g...
    <sarcasm>
    What? Did you forget about the illustrious Lakers Shootout already?
    </sarcasm>

  • Tall Paul | October 26, 2009 at 3:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”356521″]AFL related uniform news. Pretty big hullabaloo within the collecting world over this very rare 1964 NY Jets helmet. They only wore these for one year before they realized they needed to invert the green. Quite an interesting story with this particular helmet as well.[/quote]

    I did read the auction listing; it does have an interesting story with it. But, unless you’re referring to the sale price, I’m not sure what the hullabaloo is that you’re referring to in the collecting world. Can you elaborate?

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 3:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”356523″][quote comment=”356468″][quote comment=”356420″]The Northwest Crew in that picture is performing a “Close-Interval, Dress-Right-Dress. :)”

    You ‘military’ uni-heads know what im talkin’ about.[/quote]

    iLo,

    I was trolling through the comments to see if anyone had said what you said. Immediately when I saw it, i thought of Final Drill at PI.[/quote]

    Good eye, leatherneck. ;)[/quote]

    Or is that photo “Dress Left”?
    I was in the Army SO long ago…lol

    (I’m talking about the photo of the Cleveland ushers, so maybe that’s why the confusion)

    —Ricko

  • rpm | October 26, 2009 at 3:02 pm |

    a knock at the door! stirrups are in!! time to check the doughnuts.

    powers~ i need to order myself, and a fellow football ref some, let me know how many you need, and i will let you know when i am ordering. and they will be cheaper then the $15-20 you are probably paying now(that’s how much they are around here), i think i can get them for around $10 including the shipping.

  • JTH | October 26, 2009 at 3:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”356522″][quote comment=”356518″][quote comment=”356513″][quote comment=”356502″][quote comment=”356489″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Is anyone else getting a little sick of the all of the throwbacks and alernates?

    Here is a question that will be tough for Uni-Watchers to find out – When was the last time one of the 4 major sports went an entire season without one team wearing a throwback uniform?[/quote]

    Probably 1999 for the NFL. I think the Chargers started using the powder blue as an alt in 2000.[/quote]
    Good call, but I don’t think it achieved “permanent alt” status until 2002.

    In other words, they wore it in 2000 as part of the celebration of their 40th season in San Diego. I don’t think it was worn the following year, but it was brought back due to popular demand in 2002.[/quote]

    Yeah, you’re right. But 2001 was the rebirth of the Lions lame logoless thanksgiving uniform, so 1999 is the last year with no NFL teams in throwbacks.[/quote]

    When did Vikings start wearing the NW striped jerseys again after the 75th celebration in ’94?

    I honestly don’t recall, but seems like wasn’t until recently.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Do you mean when did they start wearing them as a throwback?

    It was in 2007 against the Packers, I believe. So they’ve worn them three times (vs. Bears last year and the Pack again this year.)

  • M.Princip | October 26, 2009 at 3:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”356526″][quote comment=”356521″]AFL related uniform news. Pretty big hullabaloo within the collecting world over this very rare 1964 NY Jets helmet. They only wore these for one year before they realized they needed to invert the green. Quite an interesting story with this particular helmet as well.[/quote]

    I did read the auction listing; it does have an interesting story with it. But, unless you’re referring to the sale price, I’m not sure what the hullabaloo is that you’re referring to in the collecting world. Can you elaborate?[/quote]

    Over at the game used collecting forums we had a pretty good discussion about it. Add to that the amount of people watching the auction and the final price. That is the hullabaloo. It is a great word, thus, I will try and use it from time to time.

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 3:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”356526″][quote comment=”356521″]AFL related uniform news. Pretty big hullabaloo within the collecting world over this very rare 1964 NY Jets helmet. They only wore these for one year before they realized they needed to invert the green. Quite an interesting story with this particular helmet as well.[/quote]

    I did read the auction listing; it does have an interesting story with it. But, unless you’re referring to the sale price, I’m not sure what the hullabaloo is that you’re referring to in the collecting world. Can you elaborate?[/quote]

    Yup, Jets wore three different helmets in their first three years. Counting the Titans helmets, that’s four helmets in the ’60s.

    Debuted as “Jets” in ’63 in these…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Followed by the white football (shown in the auction) in ’64, and the green football in ’65.

    —Ricko

  • The Jeff | October 26, 2009 at 3:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”356522″][quote comment=”356518″][quote comment=”356513″][quote comment=”356502″][quote comment=”356489″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Is anyone else getting a little sick of the all of the throwbacks and alernates?

    Here is a question that will be tough for Uni-Watchers to find out – When was the last time one of the 4 major sports went an entire season without one team wearing a throwback uniform?[/quote]

    Probably 1999 for the NFL. I think the Chargers started using the powder blue as an alt in 2000.[/quote]
    Good call, but I don’t think it achieved “permanent alt” status until 2002.

    In other words, they wore it in 2000 as part of the celebration of their 40th season in San Diego. I don’t think it was worn the following year, but it was brought back due to popular demand in 2002.[/quote]

    Yeah, you’re right. But 2001 was the rebirth of the Lions lame logoless thanksgiving uniform, so 1999 is the last year with no NFL teams in throwbacks.[/quote]

    When did Vikings start wearing the NW striped jerseys again after the 75th celebration in ’94?

    I honestly don’t recall, but seems like wasn’t until recently.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I don’t think they wore it again after ’94 until they changed uniforms, did they? That’d make it no earlier than ’06.

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 3:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”356532″][quote comment=”356522″][quote comment=”356518″][quote comment=”356513″][quote comment=”356502″][quote comment=”356489″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Is anyone else getting a little sick of the all of the throwbacks and alernates?

    Here is a question that will be tough for Uni-Watchers to find out – When was the last time one of the 4 major sports went an entire season without one team wearing a throwback uniform?[/quote]

    Probably 1999 for the NFL. I think the Chargers started using the powder blue as an alt in 2000.[/quote]
    Good call, but I don’t think it achieved “permanent alt” status until 2002.

    In other words, they wore it in 2000 as part of the celebration of their 40th season in San Diego. I don’t think it was worn the following year, but it was brought back due to popular demand in 2002.[/quote]

    Yeah, you’re right. But 2001 was the rebirth of the Lions lame logoless thanksgiving uniform, so 1999 is the last year with no NFL teams in throwbacks.[/quote]

    When did Vikings start wearing the NW striped jerseys again after the 75th celebration in ’94?

    I honestly don’t recall, but seems like wasn’t until recently.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I don’t think they wore it again after ’94 until they changed uniforms, did they? That’d make it no earlier than ’06.[/quote]

    So maybe they went without a throwback in ’05?
    Truly, I don’t recall. But, as I said, seems like their reappearance was quite recent.

    How long since the Packers wore ANY kind of Alt? ’94? They wear the gold yokes after that?

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 3:14 pm |

    Sorry. Original question was about the whole league without a throwback. I was thinking of which team has most recently gone a season without wearing one. Or who’s gone longest without wearing one. My bad.

    —Ricko

  • Tall Paul | October 26, 2009 at 3:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”356530″][quote comment=”356526″][quote comment=”356521″]AFL related uniform news. Pretty big hullabaloo within the collecting world over this very rare 1964 NY Jets helmet. They only wore these for one year before they realized they needed to invert the green. Quite an interesting story with this particular helmet as well.[/quote]

    I did read the auction listing; it does have an interesting story with it. But, unless you’re referring to the sale price, I’m not sure what the hullabaloo is that you’re referring to in the collecting world. Can you elaborate?[/quote]

    Over at the game used collecting forums we had a pretty good discussion about it. Add to that the amount of people watching the auction and the final price. That is the hullabaloo. It is a great word, thus, I will try and use it from time to time.[/quote]

    Thanks. And it is a great word, by the way. Much as I love Uni Watch I have a hard time justifying the amount of time I spend here keeping up with the entries and comments. Sometimes things get put off until tomorrow when there’s uni-watching to be done today, ya know? There is no way at all I could justify any further time invested in all of the possible tangents available out there that are uni-related. LOL So I’ll leave it up to the rest of you for that and ask for elaboration or clarification if I need it.

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”356531″][quote comment=”356526″][quote comment=”356521″]AFL related uniform news. Pretty big hullabaloo within the collecting world over this very rare 1964 NY Jets helmet. They only wore these for one year before they realized they needed to invert the green. Quite an interesting story with this particular helmet as well.[/quote]

    I did read the auction listing; it does have an interesting story with it. But, unless you’re referring to the sale price, I’m not sure what the hullabaloo is that you’re referring to in the collecting world. Can you elaborate?[/quote]

    Yup, Jets wore three different helmets in their first three years. Counting the Titans helmets, that’s four helmets in the ’60s.

    Debuted as “Jets” in ’63 in these…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Followed by the white football (shown in the auction) in ’64, and the green football in ’65.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Jet plane in ’63 had only a single kelly stripe, btw. Double stripe came in ’64.

  • The Jeff | October 26, 2009 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”356533″][quote comment=”356532″][quote comment=”356522″][quote comment=”356518″][quote comment=”356513″][quote comment=”356502″][quote comment=”356489″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Is anyone else getting a little sick of the all of the throwbacks and alernates?

    Here is a question that will be tough for Uni-Watchers to find out – When was the last time one of the 4 major sports went an entire season without one team wearing a throwback uniform?[/quote]

    Probably 1999 for the NFL. I think the Chargers started using the powder blue as an alt in 2000.[/quote]
    Good call, but I don’t think it achieved “permanent alt” status until 2002.

    In other words, they wore it in 2000 as part of the celebration of their 40th season in San Diego. I don’t think it was worn the following year, but it was brought back due to popular demand in 2002.[/quote]

    Yeah, you’re right. But 2001 was the rebirth of the Lions lame logoless thanksgiving uniform, so 1999 is the last year with no NFL teams in throwbacks.[/quote]

    When did Vikings start wearing the NW striped jerseys again after the 75th celebration in ’94?

    I honestly don’t recall, but seems like wasn’t until recently.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I don’t think they wore it again after ’94 until they changed uniforms, did they? That’d make it no earlier than ’06.[/quote]

    So maybe they went without a throwback in ’05?
    Truly, I don’t recall. But, as I said, seems like their reappearance was quite recent.

    How long since the Packers wore ANY kind of Alt? ’94? They wear the gold yokes after that?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Thanksgiving 2003, mid 60’s uniform.

  • chance michaels | October 26, 2009 at 3:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”356511″][quote comment=”356503″][quote comment=”356489″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Is anyone else getting a little sick of the all of the throwbacks and alernates?

    Here is a question that will be tough for Uni-Watchers to find out – When was the last time one of the 4 major sports went an entire season without one team wearing a throwback uniform?[/quote]

    Good question, I was just wondering that last week. Were the White Sox the first to do the throwback?[/quote]

    Yes. Had the first “Turn Back the Clock” promotion.
    From Minneapolis Star/Tribune…
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Setting the stage for half-assed throwbacks. Notice that they didn’t provide any for the Brewers (who hosted their own TBTC event shortly thereafter).

  • M.Princip | October 26, 2009 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”356531″][quote comment=”356526″][quote comment=”356521″]AFL related uniform news. Pretty big hullabaloo within the collecting world over this very rare 1964 NY Jets helmet. They only wore these for one year before they realized they needed to invert the green. Quite an interesting story with this particular helmet as well.[/quote]

    I did read the auction listing; it does have an interesting story with it. But, unless you’re referring to the sale price, I’m not sure what the hullabaloo is that you’re referring to in the collecting world. Can you elaborate?[/quote]

    Yup, Jets wore three different helmets in their first three years. Counting the Titans helmets, that’s four helmets in the ’60s.

    Debuted as “Jets” in ’63 in these…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Followed by the white football (shown in the auction) in ’64, and the green football in ’65.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Any idea how the decal was affixed? Seems to be smeared, or, running?

  • LI Phil | October 26, 2009 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”356531″]Debuted as “Jets” in ’63 in these…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    were they playing as the lilliputians?

  • nateisfunny | October 26, 2009 at 3:20 pm |

    Thanks for the NBA column, Paul. Another solid article in what has been a strong set of columns this autumn.

    That said, I think you are going too easy on the Sixers. The last decade was a mockery, but going from “F” to poor imitation of an A is no good in my book.

    To go backwards there were a lot of ways to go, and they went boooooring, and the 2-toned piping is just silly.

  • M.Princip | October 26, 2009 at 3:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”356540″][quote comment=”356531″]Debuted as “Jets” in ’63 in these…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    were they playing as the lilliputians?[/quote]

    LOL….Good stuff right there Phil.

  • The Jeff | October 26, 2009 at 3:24 pm |

    Speaking of helmets…. new helmet site to keep an eye on.

    http://www.mghelmets...

    Seems to be at least as accurate as the helmet project on the NFL teams. No historic stuff for the NCAA yet, and a rather large amount of high schools.

  • War Damn Eagle | October 26, 2009 at 3:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”356508″][quote comment=”356507″][quote comment=”356501″][quote comment=”356485″]FYI – according to this The Twins will officially be unveiling their new logo and unis on Novemeber 9th.

    Evidently, they are finally getting rid of the pinstripes on the grays, and going with either this logo, or some updated version of it, and they’ll be introducing a cream colored home alternate that is similar to what they wore in 1961 to honor the team’s 50th year in Minnesota.[/quote]

    So Minnesota’s road unis will look a little like these:

    http://www.exclusive...

    Don’t know where they dredged up that logo. Looks like something off a beer-company sponsored pocket schedule from 1962. Certainly has never been an official Twins logo of any kind. Oh, maybe was used on a scorecard cover or something.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Come to think of it, might have been on the dugout jackets for a while, but never on jerseys.[/quote]

    Found it – and Ricko is right (as usual). On a dugout jacket.

    http://www.corbisima...

  • JTH | October 26, 2009 at 3:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”356538″][quote comment=”356511″][quote comment=”356503″][quote comment=”356489″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Is anyone else getting a little sick of the all of the throwbacks and alernates?

    Here is a question that will be tough for Uni-Watchers to find out – When was the last time one of the 4 major sports went an entire season without one team wearing a throwback uniform?[/quote]

    Good question, I was just wondering that last week. Were the White Sox the first to do the throwback?[/quote]

    Yes. Had the first “Turn Back the Clock” promotion.
    From Minneapolis Star/Tribune…
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Setting the stage for half-assed throwbacks. Notice that they didn’t provide any for the Brewers (who hosted their own TBTC event shortly thereafter).[/quote]
    Do you know why there were none for the Brewers? It seems like they went all-out with everything else (turning off the PA system, shutting off the scoreboards and putting up a hand-operated one, etc.) so not having the visiting team in throwbacks was a bit incongruous.

    Were the Brewers offered the unis but they declined thinking it was a stupid idea? Did they already have their event planned and they wanted to save the throwbacks for that?

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 3:28 pm |

    [quote comment=”356538″][quote comment=”356511″][quote comment=”356503″][quote comment=”356489″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Is anyone else getting a little sick of the all of the throwbacks and alernates?

    Here is a question that will be tough for Uni-Watchers to find out – When was the last time one of the 4 major sports went an entire season without one team wearing a throwback uniform?[/quote]

    Good question, I was just wondering that last week. Were the White Sox the first to do the throwback?[/quote]

    Yes. Had the first “Turn Back the Clock” promotion.
    From Minneapolis Star/Tribune…
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Setting the stage for half-assed throwbacks. Notice that they didn’t provide any for the Brewers (who hosted their own TBTC event shortly thereafter).[/quote]

    Well, the home team pays the tab, and I don’t iamgine they had any idea the thing would catch on.

    Plus, who can to say they didn’t ask the Brewers if they were interested in participating and got “No” for answer?

    Again, was all new.

    —Ricko

  • Natron | October 26, 2009 at 3:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”356508″][quote comment=”356507″][quote comment=”356501″][quote comment=”356485″]FYI – according to this The Twins will officially be unveiling their new logo and unis on Novemeber 9th.

    Evidently, they are finally getting rid of the pinstripes on the grays, and going with either this logo, or some updated version of it, and they’ll be introducing a cream colored home alternate that is similar to what they wore in 1961 to honor the team’s 50th year in Minnesota.[/quote]

    So Minnesota’s road unis will look a little like these:

    http://www.exclusive...

    Don’t know where they dredged up that logo. Looks like something off a beer-company sponsored pocket schedule from 1962. Certainly has never been an official Twins logo of any kind. Oh, maybe was used on a scorecard cover or something.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Come to think of it, might have been on the dugout jackets for a while, but never on jerseys.[/quote]

    I believe you’re correct, Ricko. It appeared on “field wear” in th early 60’s, but obviously, never on the jerseys. The Twins have a least tipped a hand at it being an official logo that may be making a comeback in some form… Maybe you’ve seen this, maybe not, but this a picture of the tin ceiling inside “Hrbek’s” inside Target Field, and they’re using various official logos for the tiles. You’ll see the one I referenced right in the middle next to an air vent.

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 3:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”356543″][quote comment=”356540″][quote comment=”356531″]Debuted as “Jets” in ’63 in these…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    were they playing as the lilliputians?[/quote]

    LOL….Good stuff right there Phil.[/quote]

    I knew was a mini, just grabbed the image cuz was there on page from the seller.

    —Ricko

  • War Damn Eagle | October 26, 2009 at 3:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”356548″][quote comment=”356508″][quote comment=”356507″][quote comment=”356501″][quote comment=”356485″]FYI – according to this The Twins will officially be unveiling their new logo and unis on Novemeber 9th.

    Evidently, they are finally getting rid of the pinstripes on the grays, and going with either this logo, or some updated version of it, and they’ll be introducing a cream colored home alternate that is similar to what they wore in 1961 to honor the team’s 50th year in Minnesota.[/quote]

    So Minnesota’s road unis will look a little like these:

    http://www.exclusive...

    Don’t know where they dredged up that logo. Looks like something off a beer-company sponsored pocket schedule from 1962. Certainly has never been an official Twins logo of any kind. Oh, maybe was used on a scorecard cover or something.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Come to think of it, might have been on the dugout jackets for a while, but never on jerseys.[/quote]

    I believe you’re correct, Ricko. It appeared on “field wear” in th early 60’s, but obviously, never on the jerseys. The Twins have a least tipped a hand at it being an official logo that may be making a comeback in some form… Maybe you’ve seen this, maybe not, but this a picture of the tin ceiling inside “Hrbek’s” inside Target Field, and they’re using various official logos for the tiles. You’ll see the one I referenced right in the middle next to an air vent.[/quote]

    And it’s listed as an official script logo on Chris Creamer’s site:

    http://www.sportslog...

    But they say 1961-65, which is kinda weird b/c that photo of Killebrew and Aaron has to be late 60’s or early 70s.

  • Skycat | October 26, 2009 at 3:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”356535″][quote comment=”356530″][quote comment=”356526″][quote comment=”356521″]AFL related uniform news. Pretty big hullabaloo within the collecting world over this very rare 1964 NY Jets helmet. They only wore these for one year before they realized they needed to invert the green. Quite an interesting story with this particular helmet as well.[/quote]

    I did read the auction listing; it does have an interesting story with it. But, unless you’re referring to the sale price, I’m not sure what the hullabaloo is that you’re referring to in the collecting world. Can you elaborate?[/quote]

    Over at the game used collecting forums we had a pretty good discussion about it. Add to that the amount of people watching the auction and the final price. That is the hullabaloo. It is a great word, thus, I will try and use it from time to time.[/quote]

    Thanks. And it is a great word, by the way. Much as I love Uni Watch I have a hard time justifying the amount of time I spend here keeping up with the entries and comments. Sometimes things get put off until tomorrow when there’s uni-watching to be done today, ya know? There is no way at all I could justify any further time invested in all of the possible tangents available out there that are uni-related. LOL So I’ll leave it up to the rest of you for that and ask for elaboration or clarification if I need it.[/quote]
    While I love Uni Watch, I think the format could be more user friendly. I like the way other blogs (like those on SB Nation) have their posts commented on sequentially by topic so you can follow one thread at a time. That way it would take up much less space because you would not have to copy the entire comment each time you wanted to comment on it.

  • iLO | October 26, 2009 at 3:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”356527″][quote comment=”356523″][quote comment=”356468″][quote comment=”356420″]The Northwest Crew in that picture is performing a “Close-Interval, Dress-Right-Dress. :)”

    You ‘military’ uni-heads know what im talkin’ about.[/quote]

    iLo,

    I was trolling through the comments to see if anyone had said what you said. Immediately when I saw it, i thought of Final Drill at PI.[/quote]

    Good eye, leatherneck. ;)[/quote]

    Or is that photo “Dress Left”?
    I was in the Army SO long ago…lol

    (I’m talking about the photo of the Cleveland ushers, so maybe that’s why the confusion)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I meant to say the Cleveland ushers. I dont know where the hell i got the Northwest airlines crew.

    Ive been in for a while and i’ve never dressed to the left. I’m pretty sure it exists, just not used anymore. I’ll check AR 600-8-19.

  • leon | October 26, 2009 at 3:47 pm |

    Ricko, you may remember this:
    http://www.crazyabou...

    BTW, I get a chuckle every time someone asks about the decal on Iowa’s helmet and how you will handle it. If too long a period of time goes by without that question being asked (say, 3 days), I may have to ask it myself.
    :)

  • leon | October 26, 2009 at 3:50 pm |

    I meant to say the Cleveland ushers. I dont know where the hell i got the Northwest airlines crew.

    Glad that finally was straightened out, thought I was losing it.

  • M.Princip | October 26, 2009 at 3:51 pm |

    [quote comment=”356549″][quote comment=”356543″][quote comment=”356540″][quote comment=”356531″]Debuted as “Jets” in ’63 in these…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    were they playing as the lilliputians?[/quote]

    LOL….Good stuff right there Phil.[/quote]

    I knew was a mini, just grabbed the image cuz was there on page from the seller.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I knew this. Just laughing at Phil’s wisecrackin’ comment.

  • Christopher | October 26, 2009 at 3:57 pm |

    RE: The last league to go 100% non-throwback…

    The White Sox started the trend in 1990. So which of the other three leagues was last to do it?

    The NHL started doing it in 1991 for its 75th anniversary.

    NFL, for its 75th anniversary in 1994.

    I believe the NBA started the “Hardwood Classics” program in 1996 for its 50th anniversary.

    So the winner would be the NBA in 1995-1996.

  • Maks | October 26, 2009 at 3:58 pm |

    and speaking of the broncos…
    http://www.thedenver...

  • rpm | October 26, 2009 at 4:01 pm |

    i love when the orders come in. tried them all on, and they are spectacular. i am blown away by the pirates and .45s. and they all fit perfectly too, except maybe the mystery ‘rup, which is a scant inch or so long if i was going to nit pick, but that can be adjusted quite simply if one wanted to.

    i have 5 football games to ref tonight, and i have to write up the mystery rup letter on party stationary, but i still hope to have envelopes stuffed and shipped tuesday, wednesday at the absolute latest. everyone should have their pilots/senators/pirates/.45s by early next week.

    From each according to his styrrup, to each according to his strype
    ~rpm

    ps~minnesota does not wear a northwestern stripe on their throwbacks, it is more accurately a feathered northwestern. not that it matters, just sayin’.

  • LI Phil | October 26, 2009 at 4:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”356557″]RE: The last league to go 100% non-throwback…

    The White Sox started the trend in 1990. So which of the other three leagues was last to do it?

    The NHL started doing it in 1991 for its 75th anniversary.

    NFL, for its 75th anniversary in 1994.

    I believe the NBA started the “Hardwood Classics” program in 1996 for its 50th anniversary.

    So the winner would be the NBA in 1995-1996.[/quote]

    great research…

    but wasn’t the question what was the last year an entire league did not wear a throwback? if so, did each league always have at least one team wear a throwback every year since the first one was worn? im guessing there were probably a few years where (even though it had been previously done) no one team did wear one…

    it’s really only recently that the moneygrubbingwhores teams wanted to makeaquickbuck celebrate their history by merchandisingtheshitoutof creating a throwback tolinetheirpockets for the enjoyment of their fans

    on a related note…when is the last year a league ONLY wore one home and away uni (excluding the rbk edge nhl, because of the winter classic) — in other words, no alts of any kind?

    decades, im guessing, right?

  • JimV19 | October 26, 2009 at 4:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”356495″][quote comment=”356489″][quote comment=”356467″]Today’s ESPN column is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Is anyone else getting a little sick of the all of the throwbacks and alernates?

    Here is a question that will be tough for Uni-Watchers to find out – When was the last time one of the 4 major sports went an entire season without one team wearing a throwback uniform?[/quote]

    Yeah, but the game isn’t enough anymore.
    Gotta have changing unis, blaring music, dancelines, t-shirt cannons, shoot-from-half-court-for-free-White-Castle-for-Life, sausage races, sixth-grade gymnasts, pygmy bowling, dueling snowshovels, Bavarian Glockenspeil
    Drill Team…

    —Ricko[/quote]

    As long as the uni changes are an improvement, bring ’em on. Oh, and we need more Glockenspiel!

  • JTH | October 26, 2009 at 4:26 pm |

    No alts of any kind in the NHL for the 2004-’05 season

  • Chris | October 26, 2009 at 5:45 pm |

    Since Oregon football did a major redesign of their jerseys is there any word on Oregon basketball? I imagine they might be jealous of the attention football gets.

  • Chris Mycoskie | October 26, 2009 at 6:37 pm |

    entral High School (Baton Rouge, Louisiana) wore pink uniforms Friday night in honor of Vicki Ramsey, the mother of two CHS players who died in July after a 12 year battle with breast cancer. The coach kept it a secret until 30 minutes before the game, when he presented players with the new jerseys. Every uniform had “V. RAMSEY” on the back.

    Story from the Baton Rouge Advocate: http://www.2theadvoc...
    Video from WAFB-TV: http://bacn.me/d8m

  • Chris Mycoskie | October 26, 2009 at 6:38 pm |

    Excuse me, left out a C… Central High School.

  • BurghFan | October 26, 2009 at 6:38 pm |

    Well, the home team pays the tab, and I don’t iamgine they had any idea the thing would catch on.

    Plus, who can to say they didn’t ask the Brewers if they were interested in participating and got “No” for answer?

    Again, was all new.

    And, it was one of the games that was rescheduled because of the late end to the strike, so I thought it was something of a lark (like the 1917 prices) to start with.

    While I’m here, let me add my appreciation for yesterday’s tremendous work.

  • LI Phil | October 26, 2009 at 7:05 pm |

    so…will jim zorn dress his team in all maroon in his last act as coach before the shanahan era kicks in?

  • Colin | October 26, 2009 at 7:22 pm |

    [quote comment=\”356520\”][quote comment=\”356509\”]Two Things. What was with the extra sticker on Iowa\’s QB\’s helmet?
    http://bleacherrepor...

    Relating to the Page 2 article(probably old news now), Kerri Walsh wore that tape stuff in the 08 olympics
    http://bmartinmd.com...

    ANF…America Needs Farmers.
    http://www.clearlake...

    (That\’s three straight times now that I\’ve fielded that question. Someone else take it next time, okay? LOL)

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Thanks Ricko, I figured it had been mentioned but couldn\’t find it mentioned in my quick searches.

  • Gusto44 | October 26, 2009 at 7:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”356567″]so…will jim zorn dress his team in all maroon in his last act as coach before the shanahan era kicks in?[/quote]

    You know, I didn’t have a problem with the all maroon Redskin uniforms, as an alternate look. That photo is from the Steelers game last year, when Redskin players said it felt like they were playing a road game at home, Skins fans were outnumbered that night.
    I dislike the Chargers, Bears, Jaguars, and Seahawks monochrome looks, however. The Steelers would look great in solid black, with the return of the grey face mask. The pants would be black with a yellow stripe.

  • Greenie | October 26, 2009 at 8:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”356564″]Central High School (Baton Rouge, Louisiana) wore pink uniforms Friday night in honor of Vicki Ramsey, the mother of two CHS players who died in July after a 12 year battle with breast cancer. The coach kept it a secret until 30 minutes before the game, when he presented players with the new jerseys. Every uniform had “V. RAMSEY” on the back.

    Story from the Baton Rouge Advocate: http://www.2theadvoc...
    Video from WAFB-TV: http://bacn.me/d8m%5...

    Damn, a great uni-story in my new town and i missed it completely. Where was I Friday night?

    -Greenie

  • JTH | October 26, 2009 at 8:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”356569″]The Steelers would look great in solid black[/quote]
    False.

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 8:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”356572″][quote comment=”356569″]The Steelers would look great in solid black[/quote]
    False.[/quote]

    Not only that, given their successes, why should they change anything at all?

    I mean a good reason, something other than that someone’s bored with what they wear now, or that “they’ve been wearing it for a long time so it’s due for a overhaul/update/upgrade”.

    —Ricko

  • pflava | October 26, 2009 at 8:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”356573″][quote comment=”356572″][quote comment=”356569″]The Steelers would look great in solid black[/quote]
    False.[/quote]

    Not only that, given their successes, why should they change anything at all?

    I mean a good reason, something other than that someone’s bored with what they wear now, or that “they’ve been wearing it for a long time so it’s due for a overhaul/update/upgrade”.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’d still like to know who the schmuck was that decided the Steelers needed italicized, rounded numbers.

    As for the Twins – all good news so far. I LOVE that Minnesota script, and pretty much anything else from their 60’s look.

  • Gusto44 | October 26, 2009 at 9:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”356574″][quote comment=”356573″][quote comment=”356572″][quote comment=”356569″]The Steelers would look great in solid black[/quote]
    False.[/quote]

    Not only that, given their successes, why should they change anything at all?

    I mean a good reason, something other than that someone’s bored with what they wear now, or that “they’ve been wearing it for a long time so it’s due for a overhaul/update/upgrade”.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’d still like to know who the schmuck was that decided the Steelers needed italicized, rounded numbers.

    As for the Twins – all good news so far. I LOVE that Minnesota script, and pretty much anything else from their 60’s look.[/quote]

    Since black is the major color, yes, I do think solid black would work. As I’ve said before, it’s possible to keep the essence of the traditional uniform without going overboard. Regarding the Steelers post-1997 uniform numbers, it was long overdue, never understood why the jersey numbers failed to match the helmet numerals. Since the majority of the NFL uses regular bock numbers, there’s nothing wrong with doing something different in this case.
    Speaking of numbers, does anyone remember the old Washington Bullets “RollerBall” style numbers during the Bernard King era? They looked great, it was a futuristic style of numbers, similar to the James Caan movie “RollerBall”.

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 9:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”356575″][quote comment=”356574″][quote comment=”356573″][quote comment=”356572″][quote comment=”356569″]The Steelers would look great in solid black[/quote]
    False.[/quote]

    Not only that, given their successes, why should they change anything at all?

    I mean a good reason, something other than that someone’s bored with what they wear now, or that “they’ve been wearing it for a long time so it’s due for a overhaul/update/upgrade”.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I’d still like to know who the schmuck was that decided the Steelers needed italicized, rounded numbers.

    As for the Twins – all good news so far. I LOVE that Minnesota script, and pretty much anything else from their 60’s look.[/quote]

    Since black is the major color, yes, I do think solid black would work. As I’ve said before, it’s possible to keep the essence of the traditional uniform without going overboard. Regarding the Steelers post-1997 uniform numbers, it was long overdue, never understood why the jersey numbers failed to match the helmet numerals. Since the majority of the NFL uses regular bock numbers, there’s nothing wrong with doing something different in this case.
    Speaking of numbers, does anyone remember the old Washington Bullets “RollerBall” style numbers during the Bernard King era? They looked great, it was a futuristic style of numbers, similar to the James Caan movie “RollerBall”.[/quote]

    Again, what’s the REASON for the change?

    How about 3M? I mean, come on, they’ve been using those tartans on their tape paging FOREVER. Everyone has seen it and seen and seen it, and recognizes it and…oh, wait, that’s a GOOD thing.

    You change branding and packaging when your product/service isn’t selling. Just what exactly about the Steelers these days would you say is not selling?

    Come on, people, this is Marketing 101.

    Plus, they’re not the Ravens. They’re the Steelers. With a WHOLE lot better resume.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | October 26, 2009 at 9:21 pm |
  • JTH | October 26, 2009 at 9:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”356576″]Regarding the Steelers post-1997 uniform numbers, it was long overdue, never understood why the jersey numbers failed to match the helmet numerals. Since the majority of the NFL uses regular bock numbers, there’s nothing wrong with doing something different in this case.[/quote]
    Ooh, yes. Take a look. It’s so obvious why they NEEDED a change. Those 10″ numbers on the front, the 4″ numbers on the sleeves and the 12″ numbers on the back DIDN’T MATCH the 2.5″ numbers on the helmet. WHAT AN EYESORE! Thank God someone at Nike had the good sense to improve that trainwreck of a uniform.

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 9:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”356578″][quote comment=”356576″]Regarding the Steelers post-1997 uniform numbers, it was long overdue, never understood why the jersey numbers failed to match the helmet numerals. Since the majority of the NFL uses regular bock numbers, there’s nothing wrong with doing something different in this case.[/quote]
    Ooh, yes. Take a look. It’s so obvious why they NEEDED a change. Those 10″ numbers on the front, the 4″ numbers on the sleeves and the 12″ numbers on the back DIDN’T MATCH the 2.5″ numbers on the helmet. WHAT AN EYESORE! Thank God someone at Nike had the good sense to improve that trainwreck of a uniform.[/quote]

    Absolutely. Was a mess wasn’t it.

    Seriously, since when have helmet numbers matched jersey numbers? When teams started wearing them there were two colors (black and white) and maybe two fonts available.

    Or is that some other “rule”?

    —Ricko

  • JTH | October 26, 2009 at 9:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”356579″][quote comment=”356578″][quote comment=”356576″]Regarding the Steelers post-1997 uniform numbers, it was long overdue, never understood why the jersey numbers failed to match the helmet numerals. Since the majority of the NFL uses regular bock numbers, there’s nothing wrong with doing something different in this case.[/quote]
    Ooh, yes. Take a look. It’s so obvious why they NEEDED a change. Those 10″ numbers on the front, the 4″ numbers on the sleeves and the 12″ numbers on the back DIDN’T MATCH the 2.5″ numbers on the helmet. WHAT AN EYESORE! Thank God someone at Nike had the good sense to improve that trainwreck of a uniform.[/quote]

    Absolutely. Was a mess wasn’t it.

    Seriously, since when have helmet numbers matched jersey numbers? When teams started wearing them there were two colors (black and white) and maybe two fonts available.

    Or is that some other “rule”?

    —Ricko[/quote]
    I dunno. Maybe all the teams that don’t put numbers on their helmets need to take the numbers off their jerseys, too.

  • Gusto44 | October 26, 2009 at 10:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”356579″][quote comment=”356578″][quote comment=”356576″]Regarding the Steelers post-1997 uniform numbers, it was long overdue, never understood why the jersey numbers failed to match the helmet numerals. Since the majority of the NFL uses regular bock numbers, there’s nothing wrong with doing something different in this case.[/quote]
    Ooh, yes. Take a look. It’s so obvious why they NEEDED a change. Those 10″ numbers on the front, the 4″ numbers on the sleeves and the 12″ numbers on the back DIDN’T MATCH the 2.5″ numbers on the helmet. WHAT AN EYESORE! Thank God someone at Nike had the good sense to improve that trainwreck of a uniform.[/quote]

    Absolutely. Was a mess wasn’t it.

    Seriously, since when have helmet numbers matched jersey numbers? When teams started wearing them there were two colors (black and white) and maybe two fonts available.

    Or is that some other “rule”?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    With the Steelers it’s different since the helmet numbers are located in the front, so it did look strange in this particular case to have two different styles that visible. Minor point to be sure, but I understand the affection other Steeler fans have for the block numbers. I’m in the minority here, but I’ve never been a fan of the lone decal on one side of the helmet. It’s my view, Art Rooney should have added the logo to the other side of the helmet sometime later in the sixties, when it was obvious the fans liked the logo. Had that happened, you would not have seen the 1997 jersey logo patch seen today, which seems a little awkward to me.

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 10:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”356581″][quote comment=”356579″][quote comment=”356578″][quote comment=”356576″]Regarding the Steelers post-1997 uniform numbers, it was long overdue, never understood why the jersey numbers failed to match the helmet numerals. Since the majority of the NFL uses regular bock numbers, there’s nothing wrong with doing something different in this case.[/quote]
    Ooh, yes. Take a look. It’s so obvious why they NEEDED a change. Those 10″ numbers on the front, the 4″ numbers on the sleeves and the 12″ numbers on the back DIDN’T MATCH the 2.5″ numbers on the helmet. WHAT AN EYESORE! Thank God someone at Nike had the good sense to improve that trainwreck of a uniform.[/quote]

    Absolutely. Was a mess wasn’t it.

    Seriously, since when have helmet numbers matched jersey numbers? When teams started wearing them there were two colors (black and white) and maybe two fonts available.

    Or is that some other “rule”?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    With the Steelers it’s different since the helmet numbers are located in the front, so it did look strange in this particular case to have two different styles that visible. Minor point to be sure, but I understand the affection other Steeler fans have for the block numbers. I’m in the minority here, but I’ve never been a fan of the lone decal on one side of the helmet. It’s my view, Art Rooney should have added the logo to the other side of the helmet sometime later in the sixties, when it was obvious the fans liked the logo. Had that happened, you would not have seen the 1997 jersey logo patch seen today, which seems a little awkward to me.[/quote]

    So were the Giants in the 50 and 60s.

    Horrible. MAJOR distraction.

  • Gusto44 | October 26, 2009 at 10:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”356582″][quote comment=”356581″][quote comment=”356579″][quote comment=”356578″][quote comment=”356576″]Regarding the Steelers post-1997 uniform numbers, it was long overdue, never understood why the jersey numbers failed to match the helmet numerals. Since the majority of the NFL uses regular bock numbers, there’s nothing wrong with doing something different in this case.[/quote]
    Ooh, yes. Take a look. It’s so obvious why they NEEDED a change. Those 10″ numbers on the front, the 4″ numbers on the sleeves and the 12″ numbers on the back DIDN’T MATCH the 2.5″ numbers on the helmet. WHAT AN EYESORE! Thank God someone at Nike had the good sense to improve that trainwreck of a uniform.[/quote]

    Absolutely. Was a mess wasn’t it.

    Seriously, since when have helmet numbers matched jersey numbers? When teams started wearing them there were two colors (black and white) and maybe two fonts available.

    Or is that some other “rule”?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    With the Steelers it’s different since the helmet numbers are located in the front, so it did look strange in this particular case to have two different styles that visible. Minor point to be sure, but I understand the affection other Steeler fans have for the block numbers. I’m in the minority here, but I’ve never been a fan of the lone decal on one side of the helmet. It’s my view, Art Rooney should have added the logo to the other side of the helmet sometime later in the sixties, when it was obvious the fans liked the logo. Had that happened, you would not have seen the 1997 jersey logo patch seen today, which seems a little awkward to me.[/quote]

    So were the Giants in the 50 and 60s.

    Horrible. MAJOR distraction.[/quote]

    Giants question here, was there a point in the 1970s, when the Giants helmet did not have numbers in the front?

  • M.Princip | October 26, 2009 at 10:21 pm |

    Could someone tell Jason Campbell what a fuckin’ mouthpiece is for?

  • Gusto44 | October 26, 2009 at 10:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”356583″][quote comment=”356582″][quote comment=”356581″][quote comment=”356579″][quote comment=”356578″][quote comment=”356576″]Regarding the Steelers post-1997 uniform numbers, it was long overdue, never understood why the jersey numbers failed to match the helmet numerals. Since the majority of the NFL uses regular bock numbers, there’s nothing wrong with doing something different in this case.[/quote]
    Ooh, yes. Take a look. It’s so obvious why they NEEDED a change. Those 10″ numbers on the front, the 4″ numbers on the sleeves and the 12″ numbers on the back DIDN’T MATCH the 2.5″ numbers on the helmet. WHAT AN EYESORE! Thank God someone at Nike had the good sense to improve that trainwreck of a uniform.[/quote]

    Absolutely. Was a mess wasn’t it.

    Seriously, since when have helmet numbers matched jersey numbers? When teams started wearing them there were two colors (black and white) and maybe two fonts available.

    Or is that some other “rule”?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    With the Steelers it’s different since the helmet numbers are located in the front, so it did look strange in this particular case to have two different styles that visible. Minor point to be sure, but I understand the affection other Steeler fans have for the block numbers. I’m in the minority here, but I’ve never been a fan of the lone decal on one side of the helmet. It’s my view, Art Rooney should have added the logo to the other side of the helmet sometime later in the sixties, when it was obvious the fans liked the logo. Had that happened, you would not have seen the 1997 jersey logo patch seen today, which seems a little awkward to me.[/quote]

    So were the Giants in the 50 and 60s.

    Horrible. MAJOR distraction.[/quote]

    Giants question here, was there a point in the 1970s, when the Giants helmet did not have numbers in the front?[/quote]

    Oops, have to correct myself. During the LT era, the Giants did not have frontal helmet numbers either.

  • M.Princip | October 26, 2009 at 10:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”356581″][quote comment=”356579″][quote comment=”356578″][quote comment=”356576″]Regarding the Steelers post-1997 uniform numbers, it was long overdue, never understood why the jersey numbers failed to match the helmet numerals. Since the majority of the NFL uses regular bock numbers, there’s nothing wrong with doing something different in this case.[/quote]
    Ooh, yes. Take a look. It’s so obvious why they NEEDED a change. Those 10″ numbers on the front, the 4″ numbers on the sleeves and the 12″ numbers on the back DIDN’T MATCH the 2.5″ numbers on the helmet. WHAT AN EYESORE! Thank God someone at Nike had the good sense to improve that trainwreck of a uniform.[/quote]

    Absolutely. Was a mess wasn’t it.

    Seriously, since when have helmet numbers matched jersey numbers? When teams started wearing them there were two colors (black and white) and maybe two fonts available.

    Or is that some other “rule”?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    With the Steelers it’s different since the helmet numbers are located in the front, so it did look strange in this particular case to have two different styles that visible. Minor point to be sure, but I understand the affection other Steeler fans have for the block numbers. I’m in the minority here, but I’ve never been a fan of the lone decal on one side of the helmet. It’s my view, Art Rooney should have added the logo to the other side of the helmet sometime later in the sixties, when it was obvious the fans liked the logo. Had that happened, you would not have seen the 1997 jersey logo patch seen today, which seems a little awkward to me.[/quote]

    I’ve always thought the single steeler decal was pretty cool and unique to the team’s identity. I remember as a little kid thinking that. Sort of like the helmet was made of steel and that was the single ‘Steel’ stamp of approval.

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 10:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”356586″][quote comment=”356581″][quote comment=”356579″][quote comment=”356578″][quote comment=”356576″]Regarding the Steelers post-1997 uniform numbers, it was long overdue, never understood why the jersey numbers failed to match the helmet numerals. Since the majority of the NFL uses regular bock numbers, there’s nothing wrong with doing something different in this case.[/quote]
    Ooh, yes. Take a look. It’s so obvious why they NEEDED a change. Those 10″ numbers on the front, the 4″ numbers on the sleeves and the 12″ numbers on the back DIDN’T MATCH the 2.5″ numbers on the helmet. WHAT AN EYESORE! Thank God someone at Nike had the good sense to improve that trainwreck of a uniform.[/quote]

    Absolutely. Was a mess wasn’t it.

    Seriously, since when have helmet numbers matched jersey numbers? When teams started wearing them there were two colors (black and white) and maybe two fonts available.

    Or is that some other “rule”?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    With the Steelers it’s different since the helmet numbers are located in the front, so it did look strange in this particular case to have two different styles that visible. Minor point to be sure, but I understand the affection other Steeler fans have for the block numbers. I’m in the minority here, but I’ve never been a fan of the lone decal on one side of the helmet. It’s my view, Art Rooney should have added the logo to the other side of the helmet sometime later in the sixties, when it was obvious the fans liked the logo. Had that happened, you would not have seen the 1997 jersey logo patch seen today, which seems a little awkward to me.[/quote]

    I’ve always thought the single steeler decal was pretty cool and unique to the team’s identity. I remember as a little kid thinking that. Sort of like the helmet was made of steel and that was the single ‘Steel’ stamp of approval.[/quote]

    Branding has many a nuance, doesn’t it.

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | October 26, 2009 at 10:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”356575″]Speaking of numbers, does anyone remember the old Washington Bullets “RollerBall” style numbers during the Bernard King era? They looked great, it was a futuristic style of numbers, similar to the James Caan movie “RollerBall”.[/quote]

    This? http://i2.cdn.turner...
    Those unis were cool, not quite as futuristic as this: http://farm4.static....

  • JimV19 | October 26, 2009 at 10:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”356577″]really?[/quote]

    Nope.

    Considering all the things they COULD have done with the Steelers unis, changing the number font wasn’t that bad. Unless you go throwback, there’s nothing else that needs to be done here.

  • The Jeff | October 26, 2009 at 10:57 pm |

    I swear, you guys are just anti-change. I mean, damn.

    Just because something has been worn for a long time doesn’t mean it can’t be improved.

    Did the Steelers need to change? Not, not really. Does anyone actually NEED to change? No, every team could wear the same uniform for the next 100 years if they wanted to. But they do change, and in the case of the Steelers it wasn’t a bad thing, or even a big deal.

    If everyone stayed the same, we’d have nothing to talk about on here now would we?

  • whiteray | October 26, 2009 at 11:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”356586″]
    I’ve always thought the single steeler decal was pretty cool and unique to the team’s identity. I remember as a little kid thinking that. Sort of like the helmet was made of steel and that was the single ‘Steel’ stamp of approval.[/quote]

    The single helmet decal was the reason I ranked the Steelers’ uniform best of all in the recent poll, just ahead of the Colts’ and Packers’ unis. As I understand it – and I read or heard this many years ago when I first became interested in the NFL, and it may be apocryphal – when the Steelers first put decals on their helmets (in the 1960s, I assume), the team could not afford two decals per helmet. Thus, one decal per helmet. (Even if it’s not true, it’s a great story, and legend has a habit of driving out fact.) That perceived connection to a time when the Steelers were struggling resonates with me, and I’d hate to see that quirk be abandoned.

  • Kenny Jacobson | October 26, 2009 at 11:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”356591″]I swear, you guys are just anti-change. I mean, damn.

    Just because something has been worn for a long time doesn’t mean it can’t be improved.

    Did the Steelers need to change? Not, not really. Does anyone actually NEED to change? No, every team could wear the same uniform for the next 100 years if they wanted to. But they do change, and in the case of the Steelers it wasn’t a bad thing, or even a big deal.

    If everyone stayed the same, we’d have nothing to talk about on here now would we?[/quote]
    Actually, I’d argue that it WAS a bad thing. To my way of thinking the block letters are ‘tougher’ looking than the ‘soft’ round numbers and the Steelers’ image – including their uniforms – has always been one of toughness. So the new numbers don’t ‘go’ with the rest of the uni and that’s bad.

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 11:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”356591″]I swear, you guys are just anti-change. I mean, damn.

    Just because something has been worn for a long time doesn’t mean it can’t be improved.

    Did the Steelers need to change? Not, not really. Does anyone actually NEED to change? No, every team could wear the same uniform for the next 100 years if they wanted to. But they do change, and in the case of the Steelers it wasn’t a bad thing, or even a big deal.

    If everyone stayed the same, we’d have nothing to talk about on here now would we?[/quote]

    Never said teams shouldn’t change. Just said some have a helluva lot of positive equity built up and are smart enough to preserve it.

    “Just because something has been worn for a long time doesn’t mean it can’t be improved?” Doesn’t mean it NEEDS improvement, either.

    Let’s look at White Sox. Changed unis all the time when they sucked. Got better, won a Series and now they ain’t about to change anything. Would I like to see red instead of silver? You bet. But I totally understand their thinking. And agree with it.

    Again, Marketing 101.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 11:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”356593″][quote comment=”356591″]I swear, you guys are just anti-change. I mean, damn.

    Just because something has been worn for a long time doesn’t mean it can’t be improved.

    Did the Steelers need to change? Not, not really. Does anyone actually NEED to change? No, every team could wear the same uniform for the next 100 years if they wanted to. But they do change, and in the case of the Steelers it wasn’t a bad thing, or even a big deal.

    If everyone stayed the same, we’d have nothing to talk about on here now would we?[/quote]
    Actually, I’d argue that it WAS a bad thing. To my way of thinking the block letters are ‘tougher’ looking than the ‘soft’ round numbers and the Steelers’ image – including their uniforms – has always been one of toughness. So the new numbers don’t ‘go’ with the rest of the uni and that’s bad.[/quote]

    And my point was that when it began they had little or no choice in fonts or colors…so it was what it was. It doesn’t bother us whose…um, “experience” goes back aways.

    To us it’s a quintesential Mountain Out of a Molehill.

    Just a different original vantage point.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | October 26, 2009 at 11:11 pm |

    [quote]I swear, you guys are just anti-change. I mean, damn.[/quote]

    not at all…i changed half the nfl unis a month ago and got hated on

    don’t make blanket and stereotypical statements

    but, CFCS (that’s “change for change sake”) is absolutely the WRONG reason to change something

    you keep what works, you fix what doesn’t

    you know what’s also great? i saw a black and white photo the other night of the los angeles dons and the cleveland browns

    you didn’t have to tell me it was the browns…i could tell just from the striping

    that’s a classic uni…and no reason to go fucking around with it

  • Tall Paul | October 26, 2009 at 11:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”356592″][quote comment=”356586″]
    I’ve always thought the single steeler decal was pretty cool and unique to the team’s identity. I remember as a little kid thinking that. Sort of like the helmet was made of steel and that was the single ‘Steel’ stamp of approval.[/quote]

    The single helmet decal was the reason I ranked the Steelers’ uniform best of all in the recent poll, just ahead of the Colts’ and Packers’ unis. As I understand it – and I read or heard this many years ago when I first became interested in the NFL, and it may be apocryphal – when the Steelers first put decals on their helmets (in the 1960s, I assume), the team could not afford two decals per helmet. Thus, one decal per helmet. (Even if it’s not true, it’s a great story, and legend has a habit of driving out fact.) That perceived connection to a time when the Steelers were struggling resonates with me, and I’d hate to see that quirk be abandoned.[/quote]

    There’s a link on Paul’s FAQ page that goes to the Steelers’ web site and explains the logo and helmet history, of which I’ve copied and pasted a short excerpt here:

    The Steelers are the only NFL team that sports their logo on only one side of the helmet. At first, this was a temporary measure because the Steelers weren’t sure they would like the look of the logo on an all-gold helmet. They wanted to test them before going all-out.

    Equipment manager Jack Hart was instructed to put the logo only on one side of the helmet – the right side. The 1962 Steelers finished 9-5 and became the winningest team in franchise history to date. The team finished second in the Eastern Conference and qualified for the Playoff Bowl. They wanted to do something special for their first postseason game, so they changed the color of their helmets from gold to black, which helped to highlight the new logo.

    Because of the interest generated by having the logo on only one side of their helmets and because of their team’s new success, the Steelers decided to leave it that way permanently.

    Today’s helmet reflects the way the logo was originally applied and it has never been changed.

  • The Jeff | October 26, 2009 at 11:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”356596″][quote]I swear, you guys are just anti-change. I mean, damn.[/quote]

    not at all…i changed half the nfl unis a month ago and got hated on

    don’t make blanket and stereotypical statements

    but, CFCS (that’s “change for change sake”) is absolutely the WRONG reason to change something

    you keep what works, you fix what doesn’t

    you know what’s also great? i saw a black and white photo the other night of the los angeles dons and the cleveland browns

    you didn’t have to tell me it was the browns…i could tell just from the striping

    that’s a classic uni…and no reason to go fucking around with it[/quote]

    You can argue against CFCS if you want to, but at what point does it become that?

    How long can a uniform be wrong before it’s right? You talk about the Browns – their pant stripes have been backwards for most of their history, now they’re classic. Orange-brown-orange didn’t make any sense in 1965, and it still doesn’t today. Would they get ripped on here for changing them? Probably.

    So what’s the time limit for “fixing a mistake” vs CFCS?

  • whiteray | October 26, 2009 at 11:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”356597″][quote comment=”356592″][quote comment=”356586″]
    I’ve always thought the single steeler decal was pretty cool and unique to the team’s identity. I remember as a little kid thinking that. Sort of like the helmet was made of steel and that was the single ‘Steel’ stamp of approval.[/quote]

    The single helmet decal was the reason I ranked the Steelers’ uniform best of all in the recent poll, just ahead of the Colts’ and Packers’ unis. As I understand it – and I read or heard this many years ago when I first became interested in the NFL, and it may be apocryphal – when the Steelers first put decals on their helmets (in the 1960s, I assume), the team could not afford two decals per helmet. Thus, one decal per helmet. (Even if it’s not true, it’s a great story, and legend has a habit of driving out fact.) That perceived connection to a time when the Steelers were struggling resonates with me, and I’d hate to see that quirk be abandoned.[/quote]

    There’s a link on Paul’s FAQ page that goes to the Steelers’ web site and explains the logo and helmet history, of which I’ve copied and pasted a short excerpt here:

    The Steelers are the only NFL team that sports their logo on only one side of the helmet. At first, this was a temporary measure because the Steelers weren’t sure they would like the look of the logo on an all-gold helmet. They wanted to test them before going all-out.

    Equipment manager Jack Hart was instructed to put the logo only on one side of the helmet – the right side. The 1962 Steelers finished 9-5 and became the winningest team in franchise history to date. The team finished second in the Eastern Conference and qualified for the Playoff Bowl. They wanted to do something special for their first postseason game, so they changed the color of their helmets from gold to black, which helped to highlight the new logo.

    Because of the interest generated by having the logo on only one side of their helmets and because of their team’s new success, the Steelers decided to leave it that way permanently.

    Today’s helmet reflects the way the logo was originally applied and it has never been changed.[/quote]

    I stand corrected. Thanks. It’s still nifty, though.

  • LI Phil | October 26, 2009 at 11:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”356598″][quote comment=”356596″][quote]I swear, you guys are just anti-change. I mean, damn.[/quote]

    not at all…i changed half the nfl unis a month ago and got hated on

    don’t make blanket and stereotypical statements

    but, CFCS (that’s “change for change sake”) is absolutely the WRONG reason to change something

    you keep what works, you fix what doesn’t

    you know what’s also great? i saw a black and white photo the other night of the los angeles dons and the cleveland browns

    you didn’t have to tell me it was the browns…i could tell just from the striping

    that’s a classic uni…and no reason to go fucking around with it[/quote]

    You can argue against CFCS if you want to, but at what point does it become that?

    How long can a uniform be wrong before it’s right? You talk about the Browns – their pant stripes have been backwards for most of their history, now they’re classic. Orange-brown-orange didn’t make any sense in 1965, and it still doesn’t today. Would they get ripped on here for changing them? Probably.

    So what’s the time limit for “fixing a mistake” vs CFCS?[/quote]

    it wasn’t JUST the pants stripes…although that was one clue

    here’s that pic

    instantly recognized the browns

    fuckin awesome then, and if mangenius doesn’t get fired soon, i fear they’ll lose that gorgeous all white uni with just the right amount of stripage

  • Ricko | October 26, 2009 at 11:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”356598″][quote comment=”356596″][quote]I swear, you guys are just anti-change. I mean, damn.[/quote]

    not at all…i changed half the nfl unis a month ago and got hated on

    don’t make blanket and stereotypical statements

    but, CFCS (that’s “change for change sake”) is absolutely the WRONG reason to change something

    you keep what works, you fix what doesn’t

    you know what’s also great? i saw a black and white photo the other night of the los angeles dons and the cleveland browns

    you didn’t have to tell me it was the browns…i could tell just from the striping

    that’s a classic uni…and no reason to go fucking around with it[/quote]

    You can argue against CFCS if you want to, but at what point does it become that?

    How long can a uniform be wrong before it’s right? You talk about the Browns – their pant stripes have been backwards for most of their history, now they’re classic. Orange-brown-orange didn’t make any sense in 1965, and it still doesn’t today. Would they get ripped on here for changing them? Probably.

    So what’s the time limit for “fixing a mistake” vs CFCS?[/quote]

    YOU say it’s mistake. THEY say it’s the way they designed the uniform.

    That makes it THEIR call.

    There are no “rules”, despite what many of you here seem to think. You can say you don’t like something, and why. But you’re not in a postion to declare, “They should change it,” because you aren’t involved in the decision. In any way whatsoever. That’s the reality.

    —Ricko

  • The Jeff | October 26, 2009 at 11:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”356602″]

    YOU say it’s mistake. THEY say it’s the way they designed the uniform.

    That makes it THEIR call.

    There are no “rules”, despite what many of you here seem to think. You can say you don’t like something, and why. But you’re not in a postion to declare, “They should change it,” because you aren’t involved in the decision. In any way whatsoever. That’s the reality.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    You know, a large amount of conversation on here is all about arguing over opinions that have no bearing on reality.

    Why so serious, Ricko?

    (insert Joker picture here)

  • LI Phil | October 26, 2009 at 11:59 pm |

    [quote]You know, a large amount of conversation on here is all about arguing over opinions that have no bearing on reality.[/quote]

    except that you seem to think only your opinions are correct

  • Ricko | October 27, 2009 at 12:01 am |

    [quote comment=”356603″][quote comment=”356602″]

    YOU say it’s mistake. THEY say it’s the way they designed the uniform.

    That makes it THEIR call.

    There are no “rules”, despite what many of you here seem to think. You can say you don’t like something, and why. But you’re not in a postion to declare, “They should change it,” because you aren’t involved in the decision. In any way whatsoever. That’s the reality.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    You know, a large amount of conversation on here is all about arguing over opinions that have no bearing on reality.

    Why so serious, Ricko?

    (insert Joker picture here)[/quote]

    I try to keep mine grounded in some kind of reality. What works in Madden doesn’t necessarily fly in the real world because there are plenty of other factors. Marketing and logisitcs being just two of them.

    My comp sleeves idea? That’s plausible. I try not to get into re-designing unis for Star Fleet.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | October 27, 2009 at 12:03 am |

    OK, I’m gonna say it.

    They should change it.

  • Tall Paul | October 27, 2009 at 12:11 am |

    [quote comment=”356599″][quote comment=”356597″][quote comment=”356592″][quote comment=”356586″]
    I’ve always thought the single steeler decal was pretty cool and unique to the team’s identity. I remember as a little kid thinking that. Sort of like the helmet was made of steel and that was the single ‘Steel’ stamp of approval.[/quote]

    The single helmet decal was the reason I ranked the Steelers’ uniform best of all in the recent poll, just ahead of the Colts’ and Packers’ unis. As I understand it – and I read or heard this many years ago when I first became interested in the NFL, and it may be apocryphal – when the Steelers first put decals on their helmets (in the 1960s, I assume), the team could not afford two decals per helmet. Thus, one decal per helmet. (Even if it’s not true, it’s a great story, and legend has a habit of driving out fact.) That perceived connection to a time when the Steelers were struggling resonates with me, and I’d hate to see that quirk be abandoned.[/quote]

    There’s a link on Paul’s FAQ page that goes to the Steelers’ web site and explains the logo and helmet history, of which I’ve copied and pasted a short excerpt here:

    The Steelers are the only NFL team that sports their logo on only one side of the helmet. At first, this was a temporary measure because the Steelers weren’t sure they would like the look of the logo on an all-gold helmet. They wanted to test them before going all-out.

    Equipment manager Jack Hart was instructed to put the logo only on one side of the helmet – the right side. The 1962 Steelers finished 9-5 and became the winningest team in franchise history to date. The team finished second in the Eastern Conference and qualified for the Playoff Bowl. They wanted to do something special for their first postseason game, so they changed the color of their helmets from gold to black, which helped to highlight the new logo.

    Because of the interest generated by having the logo on only one side of their helmets and because of their team’s new success, the Steelers decided to leave it that way permanently.

    Today’s helmet reflects the way the logo was originally applied and it has never been changed.[/quote]

    I stand corrected. Thanks. It’s still nifty, though.[/quote]

    I concur.

  • JimV19 | October 27, 2009 at 12:11 am |

    [quote comment=”356597″][quote comment=”356592″][quote comment=”356586″]
    I’ve always thought the single steeler decal was pretty cool and unique to the team’s identity. I remember as a little kid thinking that. Sort of like the helmet was made of steel and that was the single ‘Steel’ stamp of approval.[/quote]

    The single helmet decal was the reason I ranked the Steelers’ uniform best of all in the recent poll, just ahead of the Colts’ and Packers’ unis. As I understand it – and I read or heard this many years ago when I first became interested in the NFL, and it may be apocryphal – when the Steelers first put decals on their helmets (in the 1960s, I assume), the team could not afford two decals per helmet. Thus, one decal per helmet. (Even if it’s not true, it’s a great story, and legend has a habit of driving out fact.) That perceived connection to a time when the Steelers were struggling resonates with me, and I’d hate to see that quirk be abandoned.[/quote]

    There’s a link on Paul’s FAQ page that goes to the Steelers’ web site and explains the logo and helmet history, of which I’ve copied and pasted a short excerpt here:

    The Steelers are the only NFL team that sports their logo on only one side of the helmet. At first, this was a temporary measure because the Steelers weren’t sure they would like the look of the logo on an all-gold helmet. They wanted to test them before going all-out.

    Equipment manager Jack Hart was instructed to put the logo only on one side of the helmet – the right side. The 1962 Steelers finished 9-5 and became the winningest team in franchise history to date. The team finished second in the Eastern Conference and qualified for the Playoff Bowl. They wanted to do something special for their first postseason game, so they changed the color of their helmets from gold to black, which helped to highlight the new logo.

    Because of the interest generated by having the logo on only one side of their helmets and because of their team’s new success, the Steelers decided to leave it that way permanently.

    Today’s helmet reflects the way the logo was originally applied and it has never been changed.[/quote]

    Even more info, and pictures, here: http://www.mmbolding...

  • The Jeff | October 27, 2009 at 12:13 am |

    [quote comment=”356604″][quote]You know, a large amount of conversation on here is all about arguing over opinions that have no bearing on reality.[/quote]

    except that you seem to think only your opinions are correct[/quote]

    Yes, I do. As do most people. Who disagrees with their own opinion?

    I think A, you think B. We then argue about A vs B. It’s a fairly standard part of internet discussions, especially when dealing with entirely subjective topics like uniforms and logos.

    Or should I just shut up?

  • flip | October 27, 2009 at 12:21 am |

    [quote comment=”356551″][quote comment=”356535″][quote comment=”356530″][quote comment=”356526″][quote comment=”356521″]AFL related uniform news. Pretty big hullabaloo within the collecting world over this very rare 1964 NY Jets helmet. They only wore these for one year before they realized they needed to invert the green. Quite an interesting story with this particular helmet as well.[/quote]

    I did read the auction listing; it does have an interesting story with it. But, unless you’re referring to the sale price, I’m not sure what the hullabaloo is that you’re referring to in the collecting world. Can you elaborate?[/quote]

    Over at the game used collecting forums we had a pretty good discussion about it. Add to that the amount of people watching the auction and the final price. That is the hullabaloo. It is a great word, thus, I will try and use it from time to time.[/quote]

    Thanks. And it is a great word, by the way. Much as I love Uni Watch I have a hard time justifying the amount of time I spend here keeping up with the entries and comments. Sometimes things get put off until tomorrow when there’s uni-watching to be done today, ya know? There is no way at all I could justify any further time invested in all of the possible tangents available out there that are uni-related. LOL So I’ll leave it up to the rest of you for that and ask for elaboration or clarification if I need it.[/quote]
    While I love Uni Watch, I think the format could be more user friendly. I like the way other blogs (like those on SB Nation) have their posts commented on sequentially by topic so you can follow one thread at a time. That way it would take up much less space because you would not have to copy the entire comment each time you wanted to comment on it.[/quote]

    I disagree. Sure, scrolling through the comments can be a chore sometimes, but when I do, I’m never disappointed. And when things go off on a different course, well, with individual topics, I’d miss out on the discussion.

    CFCS?

  • LI Phil | October 27, 2009 at 12:21 am |

    [quote comment=”356609″][quote comment=”356604″][quote]You know, a large amount of conversation on here is all about arguing over opinions that have no bearing on reality.[/quote]

    except that you seem to think only your opinions are correct[/quote]

    Yes, I do. As do most people. Who disagrees with their own opinion?

    I think A, you think B. We then argue about A vs B. It’s a fairly standard part of internet discussions, especially when dealing with entirely subjective topics like uniforms and logos.

    Or should I just shut up?[/quote]

    the difference is if someone doesn’t agree with your opinion, you conclude they’re “anti change” or that a uniform is “broken” because you don’t like it

    others here argue an opinion but are willing to concede to logic, tradition or fashion sense

    you’re always welcome to your opinion, but be prepared to be able to defend it…and don’t shoot others down as “anti change” because they like a traditional look…personally i happen to like the stillers rounded numbers, but im willing to concede there is a logic to those who prefer the block numerals…i don’t consider them ani-change, but traditionalists

    big difference

  • flip | October 27, 2009 at 12:25 am |

    I like the rounded Steeler numbers, too, but boy that Bradshaw pic is great. Surprising how they junked up things with all the patches and such.

  • Giancarlo | October 27, 2009 at 12:33 am |

    [quote comment=”356551″]
    While I love Uni Watch, I think the format could be more user friendly. I like the way other blogs (like those on SB Nation) have their posts commented on sequentially by topic so you can follow one thread at a time. That way it would take up much less space because you would not have to copy the entire comment each time you wanted to comment on it.[/quote]
    You do know you don’t have to copy the ENTIRE comment, but could copy only the relevant part of it.. like I just did here with your comment… right?

  • The Jeff | October 27, 2009 at 12:42 am |

    [quote comment=”356611″]

    the difference is if someone doesn’t agree with your opinion, you conclude they’re “anti change” or that a uniform is “broken” because you don’t like it

    others here argue an opinion but are willing to concede to logic, tradition or fashion sense

    you’re always welcome to your opinion, but be prepared to be able to defend it…and don’t shoot others down as “anti change” because they like a traditional look…personally i happen to like the stillers rounded numbers, but im willing to concede there is a logic to those who prefer the block numerals…i don’t consider them ani-change, but traditionalists

    big difference[/quote]

    Sorry, but I think my anti-change comment was reasonable after comments 164-168.

    It wasn’t directed at everyone. Maybe I should have quoted.

  • JTH | October 27, 2009 at 1:15 am |

    [quote comment=”356614″][quote comment=”356611″]

    the difference is if someone doesn’t agree with your opinion, you conclude they’re “anti change” or that a uniform is “broken” because you don’t like it

    others here argue an opinion but are willing to concede to logic, tradition or fashion sense

    you’re always welcome to your opinion, but be prepared to be able to defend it…and don’t shoot others down as “anti change” because they like a traditional look…personally i happen to like the stillers rounded numbers, but im willing to concede there is a logic to those who prefer the block numerals…i don’t consider them ani-change, but traditionalists

    big difference[/quote]

    Sorry, but I think my anti-change comment was reasonable after comments 164-168.

    It wasn’t directed at everyone. Maybe I should have quoted.[/quote]
    Oh, so you’re saying that I’m “anti-change” because I think it’s ridiculous to base a uniform overhaul on the need for jersey numerals to precisely match helmet numerals?

    That is a truly lazy and ignorant generalization on your part.

    Not that I need to justify my opinions to you, but if you bothered to look, you’d find plenty of examples of me defending/advocating change. For example, when the Oregon Ducks trotted out their diamondplate crap a few years ago and they were being near-unanimously panned in the comments, I opined that there might actually be one or two combos that could look fairly decent.

    Hell, I was just recently saying that I’d like to see the Steelers wearing black pants with their white jerseys.

  • The Jeff | October 27, 2009 at 2:13 am |

    [quote comment=”356615″][quote comment=”356614″][quote comment=”356611″]

    the difference is if someone doesn’t agree with your opinion, you conclude they’re “anti change” or that a uniform is “broken” because you don’t like it

    others here argue an opinion but are willing to concede to logic, tradition or fashion sense

    you’re always welcome to your opinion, but be prepared to be able to defend it…and don’t shoot others down as “anti change” because they like a traditional look…personally i happen to like the stillers rounded numbers, but im willing to concede there is a logic to those who prefer the block numerals…i don’t consider them ani-change, but traditionalists

    big difference[/quote]

    Sorry, but I think my anti-change comment was reasonable after comments 164-168.

    It wasn’t directed at everyone. Maybe I should have quoted.[/quote]
    Oh, so you’re saying that I’m “anti-change” because I think it’s ridiculous to base a uniform overhaul on the need for jersey numerals to precisely match helmet numerals?

    That is a truly lazy and ignorant generalization on your part.

    Not that I need to justify my opinions to you, but if you bothered to look, you’d find plenty of examples of me defending/advocating change. For example, when the Oregon Ducks trotted out their diamondplate crap a few years ago and they were being near-unanimously panned in the comments, I opined that there might actually be one or two combos that could look fairly decent.

    Hell, I was just recently saying that I’d like to see the Steelers wearing black pants with their white jerseys.[/quote]

    The difference between “I don’t think matching the helmet numbers was enough of a reason for a change” and the sarcastic “OMG WHAT AN ABOMINATION” crap that you and Ricko were tossing back and forth is enough for an anti-change comment.

    I wasn’t even really looking at who was posting, it was just a quick annoyed response to the flavor of the discussion.

  • chance michaels | October 27, 2009 at 9:09 am |

    [quote comment=”356616″]
    I wasn’t even really looking at who was posting, it was just a quick annoyed response to the flavor of the discussion.[/quote]

    And that, I think, is the problem in a nutshell.

    If you’re going to go beyond simply disagreeing with somebody else’s opinion, and make statements about them personally, then you realy ought to know to whom you’re talking, and about what.