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In Which a Random Ticker Item Leads to a Full-Blown History Mystery

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I recently Ticker-linked to this 1972 photo of an odd Padres cap, with a particularly wide-spanning yellow panel. That item has now prompted some interesting responses — let’s take a look:

• First, several readers have pointed out that the same cap can be seen in this card (and most of them pointed out the huge crowd in the background)k. Y’know, I’ve looked at that card a few jillion times over the years and never noticed the unusual cap.

• Richard Craig has generously scanned a bunch of photos of Padres players wearing the wide-span cap. Most of those are head shots from a ’72 program, plus he also found one action shot. “The player shots include some amazingly unmemorable Padres (including Enzo Hernandez, he of the lifetime OPS of .550 in more than 2600 plate appearances),” Richard notes.

• The most intriguing communiqué comes Robert Walker. “That cap was only used in ’72, only on Sundays, and (from what I have found) only for home games.”

That’s a bit of an eyebrow-raiser. A Sunday-specific cap way back in 1972? I thought the notion of specific uni elements for specific days was a much more modern phenomenon. So I wrote back to Robert: “Were you aware of this at the time, or is it something you’ve become aware of more recently? Is this well-known among Padres fans?” Here’s his response:

I’ve known of the alternate “Zimmer” cap for a while, and somewhere along the line I read about it being a Sunday special. Not too many fans know about this, as there aren’t too many “hardcore” fans like me. I don’t have much in terms of photo evidence besides old Topps cards. But all the photos of the cap that I have seen are from day games, and the only day games in San Diego at the time were Sunday and the occasional “Businessman Special” on Thursday.

After wearing the wide-span chevron cap for Sundays in 1972, the team introduced the tamed-down chevron design as their primary cap in 1973. That cap was used until 1979.

Hmmmm. Hey, Richard Craig, were you aware of this Sundays-in-’72 thing? “Nope, but I was only seven years old at the time,” he says. “All I knew was that they were funny-looking caps, especially in comparison with the later, more minimal front panel. Of course, every aspect of those uniforms was funny looking, even to a kid who didn’t know any different. It all just contributed to our long-held civic inferiority complex about the Padres.”

Can anyone else confirm or refute the Sunday protocol? Does anyone know of any other MLB cap designs that featured wide-span front panels? And did the change in the front panel from ’72 to ’73 reflect a change in cap manufacturers? All subjects for further study.

Finally, one other item regarding the early-’70s Padres: When Richard Craig was scanning those cap photos, he also came across this shot of the team’s proposed Washington uni design. “I’ve read that the team colors would have been purple and gold,” he writes — yikes.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Lots of very cool varsity jackets available on eBay — look here, here, here, here (I really like that one!), here, here (unusual color, great details), here, and here. ”¦ And while searching on “varsity,” I came across this very cool-looking game. ”¦ Nate Robinson has apparently changed his uni number from 4 to 2 (with thanks to Steve King). ”¦ Good time-lapse video of the NLDS logo being applied to the Dodger Stadium field here (with thanks to Dan Cichalski). ”¦ Shawn Dzwonkowski has scanned a bunch of pages from an old Sheboygan Red Skins media guide. ”¦ My Page 2 colleague Kurt Snibbe created this alternate NFL logos the other day. It took Bill Jones about 24 hours to gumball-ize them. ”¦ Didn’t realize Visa was now sponsoring the Niners’ practice jerseys. Fuckers (with thanks to Brinke Guthrie). ”¦ Hey, look what happens if you cross a horse with the Batmobile! Actually, that’s a horse training system (thanks, Kirsten). ”¦ Oooh, you know I like this. “I stumbled across it in Reminisce, a nostalgia magazine aimed at the AARP demographic,” says Jerry Adams. “I left the caption on, although it appears that nobody really knows what school this is.” ”¦ Not uni-related, but this home-movie clip of San Francisco, circa 1958 is gorgeous — the clothes, the signage, the saturated colors. Total eye candy (big thanks to my buddy Shane Arbogast). ”¦ We’ve all seen photos of the Wilson football factory, but I figure it’s always fun to see a few more. … Caddies in the President’s Cup have been wearing Giants jerseys. Additional details here and here (as reported by Mike McAllister and John Okray, the latter of whom also reports that Tiger Woods looks swell in argyle). ”¦ Ya doesn’t have to call me Johnson, but it would be nice if you could at least spell it correctly. That’s Ryan Johnson of the MLS San Jose Earthquakes (screen shot courtesy of Josh Manck). ”¦ Got some spare basketball jerseys lying around? Turn them into produce bags (Kirsten again). ”¦ Okay, so I love the vertically striped socks as much as anyone, but maybe they should wait until Sunday, y’know? For more on the Broncos’ throwbacks, go here, click on “Video and Audio,” and then click on “Past Meets Present.” ”¦ Anyone know why Evander Holyfield had “Head” on his waistband for his 1994 fight against Michael Moorer? Answers involving snarky mentions of head-butting don’t count (as spotted by Tim Donovan). ”¦ Also from Tim: Phillies vendors wear Phillies-style uni numbers. ”¦ The whole “We won, let’s untuck!” thing is bad enough, but last night Orlando Cabrera untucked after a loss (as noted by Jen Muller).

 
  
 
Comments (254)

    That Padres-to-Washington uniform looks like something that a softball team of the time would have worn. Just head down to the local t-shirt place, pick out some letters for a team name and have them hot pressed onto the jersey.

    Don’t have time to do it myself right now, but has anyone compared the original Bronco verticals to the throwbacks? I’ll wager there were more stripes on the originals.

    —Ricko

    I took a cruise ouut of San Juan PR last weekend and all of the baggage handlers at the pier wear shirts with different baseball style uniforms on the back so that you know which person handled your bags.

    Great idea, however I did not have my camera, so no pix.

    [quote comment=”352766″]Don’t have time to do it myself right now, but has anyone compared the original Bronco verticals to the throwbacks? I’ll wager there were more stripes on the originals.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Not being picky. Just curious.
    (Besides, might as well stick to the brown & gold theme today, what with the Padres being in the lead and all)

    —Ricko

    “President’s Cup team captain’s assistant Michael Jordan.” Wonder what his responsibilities are?

    That San Francisco footage is neat stuff, with a touch of Mad Men. Never knew that cable car operators manually turned around the cars.

    [quote comment=”352762″]That Padres-to-Washington uniform looks like something that a softball team of the time would have worn. Just head down to the local t-shirt place, pick out some letters for a team name and have them hot pressed onto the jersey.[/quote]

    link

    It’s definitely plain, but it’s not out of line with many of the unis being worn in 1974. It’s very comparable to these:

    Reds’ Away
    link

    Tigers’Away
    link

    Royals’ Away
    link

    Brewers
    link

    [quote comment=”352773″]Everything about that San Francisco video is amazing. I actually watched it twice.[/quote]

    Have to second that, but while there, check out the Disneyland stuff, amazing. Even a meeting with Walt in the first part.

    Not hard to spot Craig Seger in the Twins photo. That is a very original color for a suit!

    [quote comment=”352779″]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/albert_chen/10/07/rockies.phillies.game1/bacon.jpg

    They should be banned for life from wearing any jersey![/quote]

    Let me apologize up front for not knowing this: I’m guessing the guy on the left is Kevin Bacon: tell me he at least was wearing #6. The guy on the right looks like that sportswriter named Woody something from the Denver Post who is on that show before PTI. Probably not him, though, right?

    [quote comment=”352781″][quote comment=”352779″]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/albert_chen/10/07/rockies.phillies.game1/bacon.jpg

    They should be banned for life from wearing any jersey![/quote]

    Let me apologize up front for not knowing this: I’m guessing the guy on the left is Kevin Bacon: tell me he at least was wearing #6. The guy on the right looks like that sportswriter named Woody something from the Denver Post who is on that show before PTI. Probably not him, though, right?[/quote]
    Nope – that’s Kevin’s brother Michael Bacon.

    [quote comment=”352781″][quote comment=”352779″]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/albert_chen/10/07/rockies.phillies.game1/bacon.jpg

    They should be banned for life from wearing any jersey![/quote]

    Let me apologize up front for not knowing this: I’m guessing the guy on the left is Kevin Bacon: tell me he at least was wearing #6. The guy on the right looks like that sportswriter named Woody something from the Denver Post who is on that show before PTI. Probably not him, though, right?[/quote]

    That’s Kevin’s brother, Michael and both are sporting the biggest fan/non-player uni violation: wearing a tucked-in jersey with jeans (or shorts for that matter.) Just a bad, bad major dork look.

    [quote comment=”352781″][quote comment=”352779″]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/albert_chen/10/07/rockies.phillies.game1/bacon.jpg

    They should be banned for life from wearing any jersey![/quote]

    Let me apologize up front for not knowing this: I’m guessing the guy on the left is Kevin Bacon: tell me he at least was wearing #6. The guy on the right looks like that sportswriter named Woody something from the Denver Post who is on that show before PTI. Probably not him, though, right?[/quote]

    Should have said that it was the Bacon brothers….sorry

    They should have untucked!!

    Have they not seen this

    link

    If it was a Sunday game in that Fred Norman card, judging from the ‘crowd’ – it was either April 16 (a doubleheader vs. Atlanta), June 11 (vs. St. Louis) or June 25 (vs. San Francisco). My guess it’s one of the June games, since that looks like Dave Roberts at third (right after he was drafted).

    During the Phillies/Rox broadcast yesterday they had a crowd shot that included a cameraman that just had a close-up of a spectator. The cameraman had a Phillies jersey on that had “Camera Guy” for NOB. I think it was around the 6th innning… (If anyone commented yesterday on this, sorry for the duplicate)

    For those basketball jerseys => shopping bags, wouldn’t it be easier to just sew the bottom hem closed? Since they’re tank tops, they’ve already got built-in handles.

    TBS should probably use a different font for their graphics. ALDS looks like AIDS.

    [quote comment=”352784″][quote comment=”352781″][quote comment=”352779″]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/albert_chen/10/07/rockies.phillies.game1/bacon.jpg

    They should be banned for life from wearing any jersey![/quote]

    Let me apologize up front for not knowing this: I’m guessing the guy on the left is Kevin Bacon: tell me he at least was wearing #6. The guy on the right looks like that sportswriter named Woody something from the Denver Post who is on that show before PTI. Probably not him, though, right?[/quote]

    Should have said that it was the Bacon brothers….sorry

    They should have untucked!!

    Have they not seen this

    link

    Why is is dorky?

    Isn’t it dorky for grown men to be wearing untucked shirts, or jerseys for that matter?

    [quote comment=”352774″]That San Francisco footage is neat stuff, with a touch of Mad Men. Never knew that cable car operators manually turned around the cars.[/quote]

    Still do! Though now they’ve got link to push on rather than pushing right on the side of the car. Feels like an OSHA intervention, if not historic preservation intervention.

    Whoa whoa whoa…who’s number 80 in the 49ers picture? There’s no #80 on the Niners roster. Presumably it’s retired or at least “saved” for Jerry Rice.

    That was the first thing I noticed about that photo. Blasphemy!

    Speaking of alternate NFL logos…

    I think this is much more appropriate for the Chiefs than a KFC chicken leg:

    link

    [quote comment=”352790″][quote comment=”352784″][quote comment=”352781″][quote comment=”352779″]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/albert_chen/10/07/rockies.phillies.game1/bacon.jpg

    They should be banned for life from wearing any jersey![/quote]

    Let me apologize up front for not knowing this: I’m guessing the guy on the left is Kevin Bacon: tell me he at least was wearing #6. The guy on the right looks like that sportswriter named Woody something from the Denver Post who is on that show before PTI. Probably not him, though, right?[/quote]

    Should have said that it was the Bacon brothers….sorry

    They should have untucked!!

    Have they not seen this

    link

    Why is is dorky?

    Isn’t it dorky for grown men to be wearing untucked shirts, or jerseys for that matter?[/quote]

    ‘Nuf said: link

    The whole “We won, let’s untuck!” thing is bad enough, but last night Orlando Cabrera untucked after a loss (as noted by Jen Muller).

    Maybe the thought process is more like, “Game’s over, let’s start undressing here on the field and then finish later when we get into the locker room.”

    Untucking a jersey is a quick thing to do. Unfastening a belt and pulling it off is also a quick thing. I submit that Cabrera should not only untuck his jersey on the field, but should also take off his belt and drape it over his shoulder. Then he will have even less to do in the locker room!!!

    [quote comment=”352795″][quote comment=”352790″][quote comment=”352784″][quote comment=”352781″][quote comment=”352779″]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/albert_chen/10/07/rockies.phillies.game1/bacon.jpg

    They should be banned for life from wearing any jersey![/quote]

    Let me apologize up front for not knowing this: I’m guessing the guy on the left is Kevin Bacon: tell me he at least was wearing #6. The guy on the right looks like that sportswriter named Woody something from the Denver Post who is on that show before PTI. Probably not him, though, right?[/quote]

    Should have said that it was the Bacon brothers….sorry

    They should have untucked!!

    Have they not seen this

    link

    Why is is dorky?

    Isn’t it dorky for grown men to be wearing untucked shirts, or jerseys for that matter?[/quote]

    ‘Nuf said: link

    Shouldn’t create a rule based on extremes. A tucked dorky look is not a good reference. Anyway, nothing against untucked jerseys. Just trying to say that fashion “rules” change every few years.

    The whole “We won, let’s untuck!” thing is bad enough, but last night Orlando Cabrera untucked after a loss.

    Seriously? They are done with their work, let them loosen their ties before they get on the subway.

    Saw the “Full Color Football” on Shotime last night (great show). Some uniform tidbits:

    They said Wahoo McDaniel was the only player in the AFL to have only his first name on his jersey.

    When Cookie Gilchrist was traded from Buffalo to Denver for Billy Joe, he took the number 2 to show that he was one better than Joe who had worn 3. So Joe took the number 33 at Buffalo since Gilchrist had worn 34 there.

    Good to see the Sheboygan Red Skins and the NBL get a little love.

    I’m not an NBA fan so much, but that’s one thing that has totally bugged me thru the years. The NBA basically ignores the NBL history, yet the Atlanta Hawks, L.A. Lakes, Sac Kings, Philly 76ers and Detroit Pistons can all trace their lineage to that league.

    If ever a pro basketball uni database is erected, I would hope it will include the NBL.

    [quote comment=”352783″][quote comment=”352781″][quote comment=”352779″]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/albert_chen/10/07/rockies.phillies.game1/bacon.jpg

    They should be banned for life from wearing any jersey![/quote]

    Let me apologize up front for not knowing this: I’m guessing the guy on the left is Kevin Bacon: tell me he at least was wearing #6. The guy on the right looks like that sportswriter named Woody something from the Denver Post who is on that show before PTI. Probably not him, though, right?[/quote]

    That’s Kevin’s brother, Michael and both are sporting the biggest fan/non-player uni violation: wearing a tucked-in jersey with jeans (or shorts for that matter.) Just a bad, bad major dork look.[/quote]

    You forgot the “Bacon exception” to the Man Rules: If Kevin Bacon does it, it’s cool by definition. (But ONLY for Kevin Bacon. You or I are still dorks.)

    [quote comment=”352774″]That San Francisco footage is neat stuff, with a touch of Mad Men. [/quote]

    Especially when Ken Cosgrove gets on the cable car.

    [quote comment=”352786″]Yeah, the SF video is dreamy. Beautiful.[/quote]

    Jim, I dig your link and pics.

    About the 1958 San Francisco footage, awesome. Nice soundtrack too. Sounded a bit like ‘Lost in Translation’?

    [quote comment=”352805″][quote comment=”352786″]Yeah, the SF video is dreamy. Beautiful.[/quote]

    Jim, I dig your link and pics.

    About the 1958 San Francisco footage, awesome. Nice soundtrack too. Sounded a bit like ‘Lost in Translation’?[/quote]

    Thank you, M.Princip!

    Hey Paul…I’m listening the Sirius’ XMU station right now and they are interviewing the guys from Mountain Goats. Anyway, the DJ asked one of the guys about his “I’m Calling it Shea” shirt. Man, it’s spreading like wildfire.

    [quote comment=”352801″][quote comment=”352783″][quote comment=”352781″][quote comment=”352779″]
    You forgot the “Bacon exception” to the Man Rules: If Kevin Bacon does it, it’s cool by definition. (But ONLY for Kevin Bacon. You or I are still dorks.)[/quote]

    The tucked in jersey would work if one is being hunted by giant worms.

    [quote comment=”352798″]The whole “We won, let’s untuck!” thing is bad enough, but last night Orlando Cabrera untucked after a loss.

    Seriously? They are done with their work, let them loosen their ties before they get on the subway.[/quote]

    Oh sure, like before I leave work I take my pants off in the lobby so im more comfortable in my car on the drive home. The guy cant wait like 10 seconds to get in the “LOCKER ROOM” before looking like a total schmuck?

    What were the Padres going to be called in Washington?

    Also, that photo tends to argue against a purple-and-gold color scheme, since the neck and sleeves have three-color edging of one dark color (possibly purple), one very light color, and one medium color. It could be purple, gold, and another color, but it could just as easily be navy, white, and red. Need some color photos or artifacts to clear this up — even if it was purple and gold, what was the third color? Or was it purple and gold, separated by white?

    [quote comment=”352803″]Can anyone help me in identify link?[/quote]

    I might be able to narrow it down. Nick Van Exel played for the Spurs, Trail Blazers, Warriors, Mavericks, Nuggets and Lakers.

    [quote comment=”352813″]What were the Padres going to be called in Washington?

    Also, that photo tends to argue against a purple-and-gold color scheme, since the neck and sleeves have three-color edging of one dark color (possibly purple), one very light color, and one medium color. It could be purple, gold, and another color, but it could just as easily be navy, white, and red. Need some color photos or artifacts to clear this up — even if it was purple and gold, what was the third color? Or was it purple and gold, separated by white?[/quote]

    Purple and gold? Were they moving to Washington state or something? I’d have a hard time thinking a DC team would be anything but red, white and blue…even in those wacky wonderful ’70s.

    [quote comment=”352790″][quote comment=”352784″][quote comment=”352781″][quote comment=”352779″]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/albert_chen/10/07/rockies.phillies.game1/bacon.jpg

    They should be banned for life from wearing any jersey![/quote]

    Let me apologize up front for not knowing this: I’m guessing the guy on the left is Kevin Bacon: tell me he at least was wearing #6. The guy on the right looks like that sportswriter named Woody something from the Denver Post who is on that show before PTI. Probably not him, though, right?[/quote]

    Should have said that it was the Bacon brothers….sorry

    They should have untucked!!

    Have they not seen this

    link

    Why is is dorky?

    Isn’t it dorky for grown men to be wearing untucked shirts, or jerseys for that matter?[/quote]

    Its hard to say why things look bad. When it comes to jeans, things shouldn’t be tucked in. Jeans are casual, and tucking is not. I guess it looks like you’re “trying too hard” if you will.

    Or, it makes you look like you really don’t wear jeans all that often and aren’t good at being casual.

    I’m probably over-philosophizing here…

    [quote comment=”352771″]Sheboygan Red Skins?[/quote]
    And it looks like the town link for choosing that awful nickname.

    [quote comment=”352816″][quote comment=”352790″][quote comment=”352784″][quote comment=”352781″][quote comment=”352779″]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/albert_chen/10/07/rockies.phillies.game1/bacon.jpg

    They should be banned for life from wearing any jersey![/quote]

    Let me apologize up front for not knowing this: I’m guessing the guy on the left is Kevin Bacon: tell me he at least was wearing #6. The guy on the right looks like that sportswriter named Woody something from the Denver Post who is on that show before PTI. Probably not him, though, right?[/quote]

    Should have said that it was the Bacon brothers….sorry

    They should have untucked!!

    Have they not seen this

    link

    Why is is dorky?

    Isn’t it dorky for grown men to be wearing untucked shirts, or jerseys for that matter?[/quote]

    Its hard to say why things look bad. When it comes to jeans, things shouldn’t be tucked in. Jeans are casual, and tucking is not. I guess it looks like you’re “trying too hard” if you will.

    Or, it makes you look like you really don’t wear jeans all that often and aren’t good at being casual.

    I’m probably over-philosophizing here…[/quote]

    As Jerry used to say, sometimes I go tucked, sometimes I go untucked. Not sure that jeans require you to go untucked. Probably with a T-shirt but only if the shirt is not too long or you’ll look like you’re wearing a dress. Jerseys are probably better untucked, but it’s probably better for grown men not to wear them at all.

    A good part of the untucking trend is people getting fatter and sloppier, not trying to look cool.

    [quote comment=”352814″][quote comment=”352803″]Can anyone help me in identify link?[/quote]

    I might be able to narrow it down. Nick Van Exel played for the Spurs, Trail Blazers, Warriors, Mavericks, Nuggets and Lakers.[/quote]

    He played college ball at Cincinnati…don’t know what number he had there. He did wear 37 for Golden State. link

    it’s probably better for grown men not to wear them at all.

    What would the age cut-off for that be?

    Maryland is honoring the passing of long time booster Jack Heise by wearing helmet stickers the rest of the season.

    From the Baltimore Sun:

    For decades, Mr. Heise had been as much a staple of Maryland athletics as Testudo, the turtle mascot. Mr. Heise, who graduated from the school in 1947 and married a former Terrapins cheerleader, worshipped all things Maryland. He had attended almost every football and men’s basketball game, home and away, for more than 60 years. The school said he missed only three Atlantic Coast Conference men’s basketball tournaments since 1946. And that wasn’t all.

    “I’m not sure all the kids today really know who he [Mr. Heise] is,” Mr. Friedgen said. “I’m going to put his initials on our helmets for the rest of the season.”

    [quote comment=”352820″]it’s probably better for grown men not to wear them at all.

    What would the age cut-off for that be?[/quote]

    Good question. I’d say no age cutoff. It’s all in your mind.

    “I’m not sure all the kids today really know who he [Mr. Heise] is,” Mr. Friedgen said. “I’m going to put his initials on our helmets for the rest of the season.”

    I thought they were going to honor him.

    [quote comment=”352822″][quote comment=”352820″]it’s probably better for grown men not to wear them at all.

    What would the age cut-off for that be?[/quote]

    Good question. I’d say no age cutoff. It’s all in your mind.[/quote]

    So what constitutes a “grown man”?

    [quote comment=”352819″][quote comment=”352814″][quote comment=”352803″]Can anyone help me in identify link?[/quote]

    I might be able to narrow it down. Nick Van Exel played for the Spurs, Trail Blazers, Warriors, Mavericks, Nuggets and Lakers.[/quote]

    He played college ball at Cincinnati…don’t know what number he had there. He did wear 37 for Golden State. link
    I can’t quite recall, but I seem to remember him having a single-digit number, (1?) but whatever it was, NCAA rules would not have allowed him to wear 37 at Cincinnati.

    [quote comment=”352809″]Hey Paul…I’m listening the Sirius’ XMU station right now and they are interviewing the guys from Mountain Goats. Anyway, the DJ asked one of the guys about his “I’m Calling it Shea” shirt. Man, it’s spreading like wildfire.[/quote]

    Who was wearing it — John or Peter?

    [quote comment=”352824″][quote comment=”352822″][quote comment=”352820″]it’s probably better for grown men not to wear them at all.

    What would the age cut-off for that be?[/quote]

    Good question. I’d say no age cutoff. It’s all in your mind.[/quote]

    So what constitutes a “grown man”?[/quote]

    Do you think rock concerts are too loud?

    If you answered yes, no more jerseys.

    There ya go.

    [quote comment=”352812″][quote comment=”352798″]The whole “We won, let’s untuck!” thing is bad enough, but last night Orlando Cabrera untucked after a loss.

    Seriously? They are done with their work, let them loosen their ties before they get on the subway.[/quote]

    Oh sure, like before I leave work I take my pants off in the lobby so im more comfortable in my car on the drive home. The guy cant wait like 10 seconds to get in the “LOCKER ROOM” before looking like a total schmuck?[/quote]

    Your example isn’t close to being the same thing. He untucked his shirt. He didnt take off his pants. And like the guy said before, let him loosen his tie before he gets on the subway. I know when I have a bad day at work, the last thing I want to do on the commute home is sit there wearing uncomfortable work clothes. The Twins got beat, he was frustrated, so on and so forth.

    Why is this untucked shirt thing such a big deal around here anyway? And why is it always centered on the Brewers and/or other baseball players? Many basketball players untuck their jerseys when they get off the court, whether it’s the end of the game or for a substitution. And yes, basektball sucks, but why doesn’t anyone get all riled up about it?

    [quote comment=\”352826\”][quote comment=\”352819\”][quote comment=\”352814\”][quote comment=\”352803\”]Can anyone help me in identify this jersey?[/quote]

    I might be able to narrow it down. Nick Van Exel played for the Spurs, Trail Blazers, Warriors, Mavericks, Nuggets and Lakers.[/quote]

    He played college ball at Cincinnati…don\’t know what number he had there. He did wear 37 for Golden State. link
    I can\’t quite recall, but I seem to remember him having a single-digit number, (1?) but whatever it was, NCAA rules would not have allowed him to wear 37 at Cincinnati.[/quote]

    I found a college jersey that was #31. So I guess we\’ve narrowed it down to a Golden State, but I can\’t find that font on any jersey.

    [quote comment=”352803″]Can anyone help me in identify link?[/quote]

    Seems like it matches the look and number font of the old link.

    [quote comment=”352828″][quote comment=”352824″][quote comment=”352822″][quote comment=”352820″]it’s probably better for grown men not to wear them at all.

    What would the age cut-off for that be?[/quote]

    Good question. I’d say no age cutoff. It’s all in your mind.[/quote]

    So what constitutes a “grown man”?[/quote]

    Do you think rock concerts are too loud?

    If you answered yes, no more jerseys.

    There ya go.[/quote]

    I thought rock concerts were too loud when I sold t-shirts at them…when I was 17.

    I figure you’re too old to wear a jersey when you’re dead. Wear a nice suit in the casket. Before that, wear them at any age.

    [quote] And yes, basektball sucks, but why doesn’t anyone get all riled up about it?[/quote]

    you just answered your own question

    [quote comment=”352829″]Why is this untucked shirt thing such a big deal around here anyway? And why is it always centered on the Brewers and/or other baseball players? Many basketball players untuck their jerseys when they get off the court, whether it’s the end of the game or for a substitution. And yes, basektball sucks, but why doesn’t anyone get all riled up about it?[/quote]

    It looks sloppy.

    They are still representing their team after the game. The game is technically over, but their job isn’t.

    It makes them look like they just HAVE to clock out at 5:00pm on the nose, get in their car and get outta there.

    [quote comment=”352829″][quote comment=”352812″][quote comment=”352798″]The whole “We won, let’s untuck!” thing is bad enough, but last night Orlando Cabrera untucked after a loss.

    Seriously? They are done with their work, let them loosen their ties before they get on the subway.[/quote]

    Oh sure, like before I leave work I take my pants off in the lobby so im more comfortable in my car on the drive home. The guy cant wait like 10 seconds to get in the “LOCKER ROOM” before looking like a total schmuck?[/quote]

    Your example isn’t close to being the same thing. He untucked his shirt. He didnt take off his pants. And like the guy said before, let him loosen his tie before he gets on the subway. I know when I have a bad day at work, the last thing I want to do on the commute home is sit there wearing uncomfortable work clothes. The Twins got beat, he was frustrated, so on and so forth.

    Why is this untucked shirt thing such a big deal around here anyway? And why is it always centered on the Brewers and/or other baseball players? Many basketball players untuck their jerseys when they get off the court, whether it’s the end of the game or for a substitution. And yes, basektball sucks, but why doesn’t anyone get all riled up about it?[/quote]

    Fine: It looks like shit when basketball players do it too. Is that better? And asking why an aspect of uni-based behavior is “a big deal” on a web site devoted to uniforms is like going to a sex site and asking what’s the big deal about orgasms. Jeez.

    [quote comment=”352831″][quote comment=”352803″]Can anyone help me in identify link?[/quote]

    Seems like it matches the look and number font of the old link.[/quote]
    Huh? In what way do the number fonts of the two jerseys linked above resemble each other?

    [quote comment=”352837″][quote comment=”352831″][quote comment=”352803″]Can anyone help me in identify link?[/quote]

    Seems like it matches the look and number font of the old link.[/quote]
    Huh? In what way do the number fonts of the two jerseys linked above resemble each other?[/quote]

    they’re both white…duh

    “A good part of the untucking trend is people getting fatter and sloppier, not trying to look cool.”

    Especially the “getting fatter” part. All you have to do is look around. I pick up my daughter at work at MOA several times a week. While I wait I usually people-watch. It’s a damn BlubberButt Festival. Unbelievable, don’t these people own mirrors?

    Also, compared to years ago, I’ve noticed I almost never see anyone playing pickup touch football in a park or somewhere, for example.

    I have a hunch a good part of it because we live in a culture where we spend too much time watching sports on TV or playing Madden and telling ourselves we’re athletes. “Pass the Little Debbies, willya?”

    Don’t you love the infomercials? “I put on the amazing new FlabFlattener and lost FOUR INCHES off my waist!!!”

    Here’s an idea, lady, go to a damn gym and actually LOSE four inches! You still look like crap when you undress.

    Women wear body shapers. Men go untucked. And everyone pretends they aren’t fat tubs of goo. “Out of sight, out of mind” I guess.

    Not saying everyone who goes untucked is fat. Just saying the chubbies sincerely thank them for that look being fashionable.

    (And don’t talk about somebody’s “metabolism being different”. Yes, there are people with legitimate health issues. But for most of us, Gluttony is still one of the Seven Deadly Sins, as I recall. No one has removed it from the list, have they?

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”352832″][quote comment=”352828″][quote comment=”352824″][quote comment=”352822″][quote comment=”352820″]it’s probably better for grown men not to wear them at all.

    What would the age cut-off for that be?[/quote]

    Good question. I’d say no age cutoff. It’s all in your mind.[/quote]

    So what constitutes a “grown man”?[/quote]

    Do you think rock concerts are too loud?

    If you answered yes, no more jerseys.

    There ya go.[/quote]

    I thought rock concerts were too loud when I sold t-shirts at them…when I was 17.

    I figure you’re too old to wear a jersey when you’re dead. Wear a nice suit in the casket. Before that, wear them at any age.[/quote]
    There are some concerts that are too loud at any age/volume combination, because… link .

    Small note that i believe has been mentioned before. But notice the 49ers Visa picture, you will see a player, Issac Bruce, wearing number 80, which is obviously retired by the great Jerry Rice.

    Bruce insists on wearing number 80 at practice even though he cant wear it during games. It rubs some old timmers the wrong way here in the bay area, including myself, and i am not an old timmer.

    But has anyone else ever worn a different number in practice than on the field??

    “I will talk,
    in words that rhyme,
    with a rhythm track,
    playing behind.”

    And then I’ll call myself a singer.

    But the best part is, you’ll buy it

    [quote comment=”352841″]Small note that i believe has been mentioned before. But notice the 49ers Visa picture, you will see a player, Issac Bruce, wearing number 80, which is obviously retired by the great Jerry Rice.

    Bruce insists on wearing number 80 at practice even though he cant wear it during games. It rubs some old timmers the wrong way here in the bay area, including myself, and i am not an old timmer.

    But has anyone else ever worn a different number in practice than on the field??[/quote]
    To answer your question with a (series of) question(s), Rice’s number isn’t actually retired yet, is it?

    Yes, it seems stupid for him to insist on wearing another number in practice, but unless the number is officially retired, I really don’t see what the problem is.

    Also, is it possible that Bruce does this with Rice’s blessing?

    … kinda like how Trent Dilfer got permission to wear #12 (which is retired) a few years ago.

    Did anyone notice that the on-deck circle for the Cardinals at Chavez Ravine was the Anhauser-Busch pre-1998 insignia.

    Wow, Dodger owner Frank McCourt’s trying to upgrade the place, but he can’t afford new on-deck circles.

    [quote comment=”352841″]Small note that i believe has been mentioned before. But notice the 49ers Visa picture, you will see a player, Issac Bruce, wearing number 80, which is obviously retired by the great Jerry Rice.

    Bruce insists on wearing number 80 at practice even though he cant wear it during games. It rubs some old timmers the wrong way here in the bay area, including myself, and i am not an old timmer.

    But has anyone else ever worn a different number in practice than on the field??[/quote]

    I wouldn’t doubt it’s been done… but that’s going to be rather hard to track down. Practice footage is pretty hard to come by, especially as you go back in time.

    Bruce did spend 14 years wearing 80, I can see why he’d want to wear it in practice. And he is like 5th all-time in receptions, so it’s not like he’s a total bum defacing the number or something.

    But has anyone else ever worn a different number in practice than on the field??

    Somewhat related, but different:
    During Steve Spurrier’s first 18 holes, er, training camp with the Skins, Danny Weurfful and Shane Matthews wore 7 and 9. Following the ensuing shitstorm (great singular nickname for a team someday, BTW), they changed to something else. While Sammy Baugh’s “33” is their only officially retired number, several others have not been reissued.

    [quote comment=”352841″]Small note that i believe has been mentioned before. But notice the 49ers Visa picture, you will see a player, Issac Bruce, wearing number 80, which is obviously retired by the great Jerry Rice.

    Bruce insists on wearing number 80 at practice even though he cant wear it during games. It rubs some old timmers the wrong way here in the bay area, including myself, and i am not an old timmer.

    But has anyone else ever worn a different number in practice than on the field??[/quote]

    Prime Time almost always wore #2 in practice.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”352794″]“Speaking of alternate NFL logos…

    “I think link than a KFC chicken leg.”[/quote]

    So, does the first person that says the obvious about that end zone from the Snickers ad will get banned by Paul and/or Lawn Guyland Phillip?

    [quote comment=”352848″]
    Prime Time almost always wore #2 in practice.[/quote]
    link. I had totally forgotten that he finished his career with the Ravens, too.

    [quote comment=”352846″]…and then there’s link, of course[/quote]

    Now that would make a great produce bag.

    [quote comment=”352841″]Small note that i believe has been mentioned before. But notice the 49ers Visa picture, you will see a player, Issac Bruce, wearing number 80, which is obviously retired by the great Jerry Rice.

    Bruce insists on wearing number 80 at practice even though he cant wear it during games. It rubs some old timmers the wrong way here in the bay area, including myself, and i am not an old timmer.

    But has anyone else ever worn a different number in practice than on the field??[/quote]

    I think players do it a lot, but I can’t think of any examples off the top my head. Some Ravens, perhaps?

    I wouldn’t feel too bad about Bruce wearing Rice’s number. Rice wore Largent’s retired number in Seattle…during games…so this pales in comparison.

    Has Uniwatch ever done a complete breakdown of WHA uniforms, including all the defunct franchises? I recall the New York Blades, a great nickname if you ask me.

    [quote comment=”352842″]”I will talk,
    in words that rhyme,
    with a rhythm track,
    playing behind.”

    And then I’ll call myself a singer.

    But the best part is, you’ll buy it[/quote]

    Nice to see Ricko participating in National poetry day
    link

    (for the UK that is…)

    So it looks like Rice is okay with it….

    link

    Anything prime time (minus his dallas years) does is great by the way

    [quote comment=”352855″][quote comment=”352842″]”I will talk,
    in words that rhyme,
    with a rhythm track,
    playing behind.”

    And then I’ll call myself a singer.

    But the best part is, you’ll buy it[/quote]

    Nice to see Ricko participating in National poetry day
    link

    (for the UK that is…)[/quote]

    But I’m NOT a poet.
    I’m a bloody SINGER!!!

    (giggles, goes to get fish n’ chips)

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”352857″][quote comment=”352855″][quote comment=”352842″]”I will talk,
    in words that rhyme,
    with a rhythm track,
    playing behind.”

    And then I’ll call myself a singer.

    But the best part is, you’ll buy it[/quote]

    Nice to see Ricko participating in National poetry day
    link

    (for the UK that is…)[/quote]

    But I’m NOT a poet.
    I’m a bloody SINGER!!!

    (giggles, goes to get fish n’ chips)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    try the Bangers an mash while your at it..

    link

    [quote comment=”352839″]…It’s a damn BlubberButt Festival. Unbelievable, don’t these people own mirrors?…
    [/quote]
    So, is there a minimum waist size one should be in order to leave the house, so that they don’t offend the sensibilities of the nice, proper, thin people?

    -kj
    (6’5″, 300, pretty much a fat-ass for my entire life… oh, yeah, and I’m gonna go out in public and play hockey tonight. And I’m going to play roller derby over the weekend.)

    [quote comment=”352854″]Has Uniwatch ever done a complete breakdown of WHA uniforms, including all the defunct franchises? I recall the New York Blades, a great nickname if you ask me.[/quote]

    The New York Golden Blades lasted less than a season, so I doubt anyone would have any handy pictures… except possibly the troubadour named Ricko.

    They were originally the NY Raiders in 1972-73. They renamed and redressed themselves as the NY Golden Blades for the 1973 season. However, midway through the ’73-74 season, they moved to New Jersey and became the New Jersey Knights. And then they folded before the start of the 1974-75 season.

    The Los Angeles Sharks moved to Detroit in 1974 to become the Michigan Stags, but they also didn’t last a full season. They relocated to Baltimore midway through January 1975 to become the Baltimore Blades. The Baltimore Blades promptly folded after the ’74-75 season.

    The WHA got me thinking of the ABA and I found this

    Ricko…

    remember the “Q” quest you sent us on: I 99% sure no one brought this up (and I 99% sure NO OTHER Basketball team has ever used a “Q” on their uni as their primary logo!)

    link

    (scroll all the way down)

    [quote comment=”352861″][quote comment=”352854″]Has Uniwatch ever done a complete breakdown of WHA uniforms, including all the defunct franchises? I recall the New York Blades, a great nickname if you ask me.[/quote]

    The New York Golden Blades lasted less than a season, so I doubt anyone would have any handy pictures… except possibly the troubadour named Ricko.

    They were originally the NY Raiders in 1972-73. They renamed and redressed themselves as the NY Golden Blades for the 1973 season. However, midway through the ’73-74 season, they moved to New Jersey and became the New Jersey Knights. And then they folded before the start of the 1974-75 season.

    The Los Angeles Sharks moved to Detroit in 1974 to become the Michigan Stags, but they also didn’t last a full season. They relocated to Baltimore midway through January 1975 to become the Baltimore Blades. The Baltimore Blades promptly folded after the ’74-75 season.[/quote]

    hey teebz…did we have pics of the g-blades? or was that the golden seals…one of those teams wore gold blades

    maybe it was the seals

    kinda like this but different

    shit, i don’t ‘member now

    but im pretty sure at some point on UW there were pics of dudes wearing gold skates

    For those of you young enough to not get Paul’s “Ya doesn’t have to call me Johnson” reference consider yourself lucky. For whatever reason, this bit was funny in the 70s…

    link

    [quote comment=”352859″]1. Great catch with Seger’s suit.

    2. I love that Bacon is wearing #6….degrees of separation!!!![/quote]
    1. Sager
    2. Do you have confirmation that he was, in fact, wearing #6 on his tucked-in jersey?

    [quote comment=”352863″][quote comment=”352861″][quote comment=”352854″]Has Uniwatch ever done a complete breakdown of WHA uniforms, including all the defunct franchises? I recall the New York Blades, a great nickname if you ask me.[/quote]

    The New York Golden Blades lasted less than a season, so I doubt anyone would have any handy pictures… except possibly the troubadour named Ricko.

    They were originally the NY Raiders in 1972-73. They renamed and redressed themselves as the NY Golden Blades for the 1973 season. However, midway through the ’73-74 season, they moved to New Jersey and became the New Jersey Knights. And then they folded before the start of the 1974-75 season.

    The Los Angeles Sharks moved to Detroit in 1974 to become the Michigan Stags, but they also didn’t last a full season. They relocated to Baltimore midway through January 1975 to become the Baltimore Blades. The Baltimore Blades promptly folded after the ’74-75 season.[/quote]

    hey teebz…did we have pics of the g-blades? or was that the golden seals…one of those teams wore gold blades

    maybe it was the seals

    kinda like link but different

    shit, i don’t ‘member now

    but im pretty sure at some point on UW there were pics of dudes wearing gold skates[/quote]
    The Seals wore white skates (a la the A’s and their white shoes), right? Were the blades themselves also golden?

    [quote comment=”352827″][quote comment=”352809″]Hey Paul…I’m listening the Sirius’ XMU station right now and they are interviewing the guys from Mountain Goats. Anyway, the DJ asked one of the guys about his “I’m Calling it Shea” shirt. Man, it’s spreading like wildfire.[/quote]

    Who was wearing it — John or Peter?[/quote]

    I wish I could tell you Paul, but I just heard the tail end of it. I can tell you that the guy talking seemed to have a bit of a British accent if that helps.

    [quote comment=”352859″]1. Great catch with Seger’s suit.

    2. I love that Bacon is wearing #6….degrees of separation!!!![/quote]
    Wow, I just got that! Cool.

    [quote comment=”352804″]The Bacon brothers grew up in Philadelphia. Their father Edmund was a world-renowned city planner.

    link

    He was also an avid skater!

    link

    [quote comment=”352860″][quote comment=”352839″]…It’s a damn BlubberButt Festival. Unbelievable, don’t these people own mirrors?…
    [/quote]
    So, is there a minimum waist size one should be in order to leave the house, so that they don’t offend the sensibilities of the nice, proper, thin people?

    -kj
    (6’5″, 300, pretty much a fat-ass for my entire life… oh, yeah, and I’m gonna go out in public and play hockey tonight. And I’m going to play roller derby over the weekend.)[/quote]

    Aw, hell, KJ, I’m not talking about people who are just plain built large. Good Lord, no. No way indicting them, or you.

    I’m talking about those with an average frame, but you can easily see in the way they move and generally carry themselves that they do absolutely nothing. There’s a sort of noticeable couch potato waddle and accompanying excess girth. Men, it’s in the gut. Women, butt.

    It sorta goes to a basic truth. Most Americans (esp. women, I’m afraid) “will do anything to lose weight”. Well, except diet and exercise, of course.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”352864″]For those of you young enough to not get Paul’s “Ya doesn’t have to call me Johnson” reference consider yourself lucky. For whatever reason, this bit was funny in the 70s…

    link

    I think I speak for all of the younger crowd when I say this.

    What the hell was wrong with people in the 70’s?

    [quote comment=”352858″][quote comment=”352857″][quote comment=”352855″][quote comment=”352842″]”I will talk,
    in words that rhyme,
    with a rhythm track,
    playing behind.”

    And then I’ll call myself a singer.

    But the best part is, you’ll buy it[/quote]

    Nice to see Ricko participating in National poetry day
    link

    (for the UK that is…)[/quote]

    But I’m NOT a poet.
    I’m a bloody SINGER!!!

    (giggles, goes to get fish n’ chips)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    try the Bangers an mash while your at it..

    link

    Fish and chips, bangers and mash
    are good for body and soul.
    But better than those and better than hash
    is a dish called toad-in-the-hole.
    link

    Hey, I’m a rhymer…not a poet…

    [quote comment=”352866″]
    The Seals wore white skates (a la the A’s and their white shoes), right? Were the blades themselves also golden?[/quote]

    JTH is correct. link, and link. Horridly awful paint jobs.

    “The New York Golden Blades lasted less than a season, so I doubt anyone would have any handy pictures… except possibly the troubadour named Ricko.”

    Numerous Golden Blades photos (B&W) in that WHA newspaper I edited, yes. I’ll dig them out for UW Winter Classic in January, for sure.

    Colors were purple, athletic gold and white. But I imagine y’all knew that (despite some surviving embroidered patches in royal, athletic gold and white…I know, I have one of the patches, a sample from Voyager Emblems, which made them, and got the color wrong; don’t know that they ever did do a correct version).

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”352871″][quote comment=”352864″]For those of you young enough to not get Paul’s “Ya doesn’t have to call me Johnson” reference consider yourself lucky. For whatever reason, this bit was funny in the 70s…

    link

    I think I speak for all of the younger crowd when I say this.

    What the hell was wrong with people in the 70’s?[/quote]

    It was funnier in the old Natural Light commercials. What was the comedian’s name – Norm something or other?

    [quote comment=”352873″][quote comment=”352866″]
    The Seals wore white skates (a la the A’s and their white shoes), right? Were the blades themselves also golden?[/quote]

    JTH is correct. link, and link. Horridly awful paint jobs.[/quote]

    so did any team wear gold blades?

    or am i misremembering

    In regards to the Van Exel jersey from way above, I’m assuming it’s this Warriors throwback design:

    link

    [quote comment=”352877″]gah

    linklink[/quote]

    There might be some reality to this, Phil. I found an old B&W photo of Bobby Sheehan with the NY Golden Blades. Clearly, link.

    [quote comment=”352871″][quote comment=”352864″]For those of you young enough to not get Paul’s “Ya doesn’t have to call me Johnson” reference consider yourself lucky. For whatever reason, this bit was funny in the 70s…

    link

    I think I speak for all of the younger crowd when I say this.

    What the hell was wrong with people in the 70’s?[/quote]

    Speaking for only myself, that jagoff was never funny.
    (And Norm Crosby is the name you’re trying to pull, I think).

    [quote comment=”352879″]and finally…here’s some cool link

    did ricko write any of em?[/quote]

    Fair portion of the first two in first row.
    Worked for the league, not the individual teams.
    My then-partner wrote most of the copy.

    Can’t say, tough, what I might have written somewhere that teams might have picked up for their own guides.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”352880″][quote comment=”352877″]gah

    linklink[/quote]

    There might be some reality to this, Phil. I found an old B&W photo of Bobby Sheehan with the NY Golden Blades. Clearly, link.[/quote]

    Further research shows that Sheehan is actually wearing his painted white skates from the California Golden Seals!

    In 1972, Sheehan laced them up with the NHL Seals for 78 games, scoring 20 goals and adding 26 helpers. The following season, he signed with the NY Raiders in the WHA, playing 75 games and amassing 35 goals alongside 53 assists. The following season? He played with the NY Golden Blades/NJ Knights.

    A little web research explains the whole thing! So I assume that the Golden Blades did not wear golden blades.

    [quote comment=”352878″]In regards to the Van Exel jersey from way above, I’m assuming it’s this Warriors throwback design:

    link

    Thank you! Now I can get back to work.

    great feature today on Mental Floss about Mad Magazine’s creative uses of that creep known fondly as the UPC code.

    link

    [quote comment=”352865″][quote comment=”352859″]1. Great catch with Seger’s suit.

    2. I love that Bacon is wearing #6….degrees of separation!!!![/quote]
    1. Sager
    2. Do you have confirmation that he was, in fact, wearing #6 on his tucked-in jersey?[/quote]

    Fine and No.

    [quote comment=”352886″][quote comment=”352865″][quote comment=”352859″]1. Great catch with Seger’s suit.

    2. I love that Bacon is wearing #6….degrees of separation!!!![/quote]
    1. Sager
    2. Do you have confirmation that he was, in fact, wearing #6 on his tucked-in jersey?[/quote]

    Fine and No.[/quote]
    O and K.

    [quote comment=”352853″][quote comment=”352841″]Small note that i believe has been mentioned before. But notice the 49ers Visa picture, you will see a player, Issac Bruce, wearing number 80, which is obviously retired by the great Jerry Rice.

    Bruce insists on wearing number 80 at practice even though he cant wear it during games. It rubs some old timmers the wrong way here in the bay area, including myself, and i am not an old timmer.

    But has anyone else ever worn a different number in practice than on the field??[/quote]

    I think players do it a lot, but I can’t think of any examples off the top my head. Some Ravens, perhaps?

    I wouldn’t feel too bad about Bruce wearing Rice’s number. Rice wore Largent’s retired number in Seattle…during games…so this pales in comparison.[/quote]

    Jerry gave Bruce his blessing to wear #80 in the games if he wanted (since Largent did the same for him in Seattle) but Bruce declined to wear 80 in the games… only in practice.

    Deion wore #2 at practices and Jerry sometimes wore #6 in practices near the end of his carerr with the Niners. When asked why he said he just always wanted to wear a single digit number.

    [quote comment=”352861″][quote comment=”352854″]Has Uniwatch ever done a complete breakdown of WHA uniforms, including all the defunct franchises? I recall the New York Blades, a great nickname if you ask me.[/quote]

    The New York Golden Blades lasted less than a season, so I doubt anyone would have any handy pictures… except possibly the troubadour named Ricko.

    They were originally the NY Raiders in 1972-73. They renamed and redressed themselves as the NY Golden Blades for the 1973 season. However, midway through the ’73-74 season, they moved to New Jersey and became the New Jersey Knights. And then they folded before the start of the 1974-75 season.

    The Los Angeles Sharks moved to Detroit in 1974 to become the Michigan Stags, but they also didn’t last a full season. They relocated to Baltimore midway through January 1975 to become the Baltimore Blades. The Baltimore Blades promptly folded after the ’74-75 season.[/quote]
    Also, in the old Eastern Hockey League there was the New Haven Blades who played from 1954-1972.

    [quote comment=”352891″][quote comment=”352861″][quote comment=”352854″]Has Uniwatch ever done a complete breakdown of WHA uniforms, including all the defunct franchises? I recall the New York Blades, a great nickname if you ask me.[/quote]

    The New York Golden Blades lasted less than a season, so I doubt anyone would have any handy pictures… except possibly the troubadour named Ricko.

    They were originally the NY Raiders in 1972-73. They renamed and redressed themselves as the NY Golden Blades for the 1973 season. However, midway through the ’73-74 season, they moved to New Jersey and became the New Jersey Knights. And then they folded before the start of the 1974-75 season.

    The Los Angeles Sharks moved to Detroit in 1974 to become the Michigan Stags, but they also didn’t last a full season. They relocated to Baltimore midway through January 1975 to become the Baltimore Blades. The Baltimore Blades promptly folded after the ’74-75 season.[/quote]
    Also, in the old Eastern Hockey League there was the New Haven Blades who played from 1954-1972.[/quote]

    Just thinking about that, NJ moved to San Diego to become the Mariners. Then they folded. LOL

    [quote comment=”352883″][quote comment=”352880″][quote comment=”352877″]gah

    linklink[/quote]

    There might be some reality to this, Phil. I found an old B&W photo of Bobby Sheehan with the NY Golden Blades. Clearly, link.[/quote]

    Further research shows that Sheehan is actually wearing his painted white skates from the California Golden Seals!

    In 1972, Sheehan laced them up with the NHL Seals for 78 games, scoring 20 goals and adding 26 helpers. The following season, he signed with the NY Raiders in the WHA, playing 75 games and amassing 35 goals alongside 53 assists. The following season? He played with the NY Golden Blades/NJ Knights.

    A little web research explains the whole thing! So I assume that the Golden Blades did not wear golden blades.[/quote]

    I can say I recall them TALKING about wearing white skates.
    Honestly don’t remember if they actually did.
    Guess the photos in that WHA tabloid might help.

    –Ricko

    [quote comment=”352871″][quote comment=”352864″]For those of you young enough to not get Paul’s “Ya doesn’t have to call me Johnson” reference consider yourself lucky. For whatever reason, this bit was funny in the 70s…

    link

    I think I speak for all of the younger crowd when I say this.

    What the hell was wrong with people in the 70’s?[/quote]
    Thirty years from now, people are going to be watching direct-brain downloads of Dane Cook and asking the same about the ’00s.

    Of course, some of us are saying that about Dane Cook now.

    [quote comment=”352882″][quote comment=”352879″]and finally…here’s some cool link

    did ricko write any of em?[/quote]

    Fair portion of the first two in first row.
    Worked for the league, not the individual teams.
    My then-partner wrote most of the copy.

    Can’t say, tough, what I might have written somewhere that teams might have picked up for their own guides.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Best logos had to be the Cincinnati Stingers and Phoenix Roadrunners, the worst name had to be the Michigan Stags. Phoenix had a skating roadrunner set against the state of Arizona.

    [quote comment=”352893″][quote comment=”352883″][quote comment=”352880″][quote comment=”352877″]gah

    linklink[/quote]

    There might be some reality to this, Phil. I found an old B&W photo of Bobby Sheehan with the NY Golden Blades. Clearly, link.[/quote]

    Further research shows that Sheehan is actually wearing his painted white skates from the California Golden Seals!

    In 1972, Sheehan laced them up with the NHL Seals for 78 games, scoring 20 goals and adding 26 helpers. The following season, he signed with the NY Raiders in the WHA, playing 75 games and amassing 35 goals alongside 53 assists. The following season? He played with the NY Golden Blades/NJ Knights.

    A little web research explains the whole thing! So I assume that the Golden Blades did not wear golden blades.[/quote]

    I can say I recall them TALKING about wearing white skates.
    Honestly don’t remember if they actually did.
    Guess the photos in that WHA tabloid might help.

    –Ricko[/quote]

    Ricko, don’t throw curveballs into my research. ;o)

    Those with DirecTV: They are offering a free trail of NHL Center Ice from now until Oct. 24th. Ch. 769-787 I believe it is. Enjoy!

    [quote comment=”352852″][quote comment=”352846″]…and then there’s link, of course[/quote]

    Now that would make a great produce bag.[/quote]

    Idea, a #80 Niners jersey with LARGENT at back.

    [quote comment=”352848″]Prime Time almost always wore #2 in practice.[/quote]
    Neon Deon was in a commerical during the “World Cup in the USA” year: a soccer ball was being kicked around and Deon came out, grabbed it out of midair and showboated all the way down the sideline to spike it in the endzone. :-)

    A lot of talk about Farve self-referencing commercial, this was an earlier one. And IMHO, funnier.

    [quote comment=”352895″][quote comment=”352882″][quote comment=”352879″]and finally…here’s some cool link

    did ricko write any of em?[/quote]

    Fair portion of the first two in first row.
    Worked for the league, not the individual teams.
    My then-partner wrote most of the copy.

    Can’t say, tough, what I might have written somewhere that teams might have picked up for their own guides.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Best logos had to be the Cincinnati Stingers and Phoenix Roadrunners, the worst name had to be the Michigan Stags. Phoenix had a skating roadrunner set against the state of Arizona.[/quote]

    link

    [quote comment=”352895″]Best logos had to be the Cincinnati Stingers and Phoenix Roadrunners, the worst name had to be the Michigan Stags. Phoenix had a skating roadrunner set against the state of Arizona.[/quote]I was partial to the Chicago Cougars “skating on his own tail” cat. :-)

    [quote comment=”352901″][quote comment=”352895″][quote comment=”352882″][quote comment=”352879″]and finally…here’s some cool link

    did ricko write any of em?[/quote]

    Fair portion of the first two in first row.
    Worked for the league, not the individual teams.
    My then-partner wrote most of the copy.

    Can’t say, tough, what I might have written somewhere that teams might have picked up for their own guides.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Best logos had to be the Cincinnati Stingers and Phoenix Roadrunners, the worst name had to be the Michigan Stags. Phoenix had a skating roadrunner set against the state of Arizona.[/quote]

    link

    Oops,
    link

    [quote comment=”352782″]
    Nope – that’s Kevin’s brother Michael Bacon.[/quote]
    Both wearing jeans, but Micheal/Kevin decided to go beltless.

    I never quite “got” what all the controversy was during the All-Star game, but would either of those count as Mom Jeans?

    On a tangent:

    Just got back from a trip to Scotland. Visited the National Museum of Scotland, the top floor of which houses the Scotland Sports Hall of Fame. Plenty of interesting exhibits, with one in particular that I loved:

    link

    It’s a soccer (FOOTBALL, ya bloody yank!) shirt from the Scottish national team, circa 1907. Not exactly the bold blue and white colors you’d expect, no? There’s a story behind it, something about how the head of the Scottish Football Association at the time was Archibald Primrose, the Earl of Roseberry – therefore the kits are designed in rose and primrose, which were also the colors that the Earl used on his racing horses.

    Just goes to show you that the next time you’re admiring some black-and-white photos of vintage sports jerseys, who knows whether those uniforms are actually pink and yellow technicolor nightmares.

    [quote comment=”352904″][quote comment=”352782″]
    Nope – that’s Kevin’s brother Michael Bacon.[/quote]
    Both wearing jeans, but Micheal/Kevin decided to go beltless.

    I never quite “got” what all the controversy was during the All-Star game, but would either of those count as Mom Jeans?[/quote]

    when in doubt, always check urban dic

    RE: Dane Cook…shhh…don’t tell him about UniWatch or he might troll this site and steal something that’s actually funny!!

    [quote comment=”352871″][quote comment=”352864″]For those of you young enough to not get Paul’s “Ya doesn’t have to call me Johnson” reference consider yourself lucky. For whatever reason, this bit was funny in the 70s…

    link

    I think I speak for all of the younger crowd when I say this.

    What the hell was wrong with people in the 70’s?[/quote]

    We didn’t have computers. We were really pretty bored. It didn’t take much to entertain us.

    [quote comment=”352908″][quote comment=”352871″][quote comment=”352864″]For those of you young enough to not get Paul’s “Ya doesn’t have to call me Johnson” reference consider yourself lucky. For whatever reason, this bit was funny in the 70s…

    link

    I think I speak for all of the younger crowd when I say this.

    What the hell was wrong with people in the 70’s?[/quote]

    We didn’t have computers. We were really pretty bored. It didn’t take much to entertain us.[/quote]

    What? The style of humor differs from generation to generation? Damn, who knew.

    Such insight.

    [quote comment=”352906″]
    when in doubt, always check link[/quote]
    Okay, that’s a start.

    I also have to admit that I didn’t study Obama’s pictures from that day. To be honest, I was happy that he had a Sox jacket, and I figured whatever else he wore was at the insistence of the Secret Service: so the style of jeans he had on in July ’09 might not have been the ones he was wearing say, two years ago.

    [quote comment=”352903″][quote comment=”352901″][quote comment=”352895″][quote comment=”352882″][quote comment=”352879″]and finally…here’s some cool link

    did ricko write any of em?[/quote]

    Fair portion of the first two in first row.
    Worked for the league, not the individual teams.
    My then-partner wrote most of the copy.

    Can’t say, tough, what I might have written somewhere that teams might have picked up for their own guides.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Best logos had to be the Cincinnati Stingers and Phoenix Roadrunners, the worst name had to be the Michigan Stags. Phoenix had a skating roadrunner set against the state of Arizona.[/quote]

    link

    Oops,
    link

    Y’know, at the time, we joked that a lot of people down there probably thought that thing in the background was a hockey rink.

    —Ricko

    Found it, Phil!

    Harry Howell stated, “The WHA experience was different, believe me. Right off the bat, I went to the New York Golden Blades. We had white skates with gold blades.”

    From link. And while it’s still a B&W picture, link that the Golden Blades wore painted skates.

    So Ricko, the troubadour and amateur sports historian, is absolutely correct! Sheehan and the Golden Blades wore painted skates for approximately six months!

    [quote comment=”352904″][quote comment=”352782″]
    Nope – that’s Kevin’s brother Michael Bacon.[/quote]
    Both wearing jeans, but Micheal/Kevin decided to go beltless.

    I never quite “got” what all the controversy was during the All-Star game, but would either of those count as Mom Jeans?[/quote]

    Only thing you can say about these guys is: Tuckers.

    [quote comment=”352912″][quote comment=”352903″][quote comment=”352901″][quote comment=”352895″][quote comment=”352882″][quote comment=”352879″]and finally…here’s some cool link

    did ricko write any of em?[/quote]

    Fair portion of the first two in first row.
    Worked for the league, not the individual teams.
    My then-partner wrote most of the copy.

    Can’t say, tough, what I might have written somewhere that teams might have picked up for their own guides.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Best logos had to be the Cincinnati Stingers and Phoenix Roadrunners, the worst name had to be the Michigan Stags. Phoenix had a skating roadrunner set against the state of Arizona.[/quote]

    link

    Oops,
    link

    Y’know, at the time, we joked that a lot of people down there probably thought that thing in the background was a hockey rink.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    What about the saga of the Minnesota Fighting Saints? Didn’t they absorb a failing team and/or had new ownership, and then renamed the club, the Minnesota New Fighting Saints?

    About the only think worse that having to see that Rice Seattle jersey again is picturing Rice in the Seattle green alternate!

    [quote comment=”352913″]So Ricko, the troubadour and amateur sports historian, is absolutely correct! Sheehan and the Golden Blades wore painted skates for approximately six months![/quote]

    Ricko studies the history of pro sports too.

    :-)))

    But, our own Ricko as a troubadour?? Now I’m getting scared.

    [quote comment=”352917″][quote comment=”352913″]So Ricko, the troubadour and amateur sports historian, is absolutely correct! Sheehan and the Golden Blades wore painted skates for approximately six months![/quote]

    Ricko studies the history of pro sports too.

    :-)))

    But, our own Ricko as a troubadour?? Now I’m getting scared.[/quote]

    He was waxing poetic up above, and attempting to put music to his lyrical prose. :o)

    huh.. how about that.
    best uniform polling. only restricted to 12 uni’s. and of course, This poll is conducted in Chicago.. so there might be a BIT biased ;)

    link

    [quote comment=”352918″][quote comment=”352917″][quote comment=”352913″]So Ricko, the troubadour and amateur sports historian, is absolutely correct! Sheehan and the Golden Blades wore painted skates for approximately six months![/quote]

    Ricko studies the history of pro sports too.

    :-)))

    But, our own Ricko as a troubadour?? Now I’m getting scared.[/quote]

    He was waxing poetic up above, and attempting to put music to his lyrical prose. :o)[/quote]

    Indeed I was. So that I could, by today’s standards, call myself a singer.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”352915″][quote comment=”352912″][quote comment=”352903″][quote comment=”352901″][quote comment=”352895″][quote comment=”352882″][quote comment=”352879″]and finally…here’s some cool link

    did ricko write any of em?[/quote]

    Fair portion of the first two in first row.
    Worked for the league, not the individual teams.
    My then-partner wrote most of the copy.

    Can’t say, tough, what I might have written somewhere that teams might have picked up for their own guides.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Best logos had to be the Cincinnati Stingers and Phoenix Roadrunners, the worst name had to be the Michigan Stags. Phoenix had a skating roadrunner set against the state of Arizona.[/quote]

    link

    Oops,
    link

    Y’know, at the time, we joked that a lot of people down there probably thought that thing in the background was a hockey rink.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    What about the saga of the Minnesota Fighting Saints? Didn’t they absorb a failing team and/or had new ownership, and then renamed the club, the Minnesota New Fighting Saints?[/quote]

    Whoa. By that time my partner and I were no longer retained by the league—and we’d dissolved our partnership—but he was working with Nick Mileti and his people, trying to to save that franchise as the team’s …aw, hell, I don’t know what his title was, exactly. And I was eyeball deep in the project, too, as a freelance marketing/advertising/PR guy. Wrote a bunch of stories for the game programs and designed several program covers, as well as some (I think) great-looking letterhead and stationery. Still have samples at home somewhere.

    We did everything but mouth-to-mouth, but the WHA was too far on it’s downward skid….and we lost ‘er. Still remember the night the team folded. Think I’ve mentioned this before, but I left the team offices about 1 a.m., following the “we’re done” news conference. Probably three of us still left in the building. Was a brand-new white, RED and gold Saints home jersey hanging on the back of a door. Could have stuck that thing under my overcoat and left without anyone ever knowing.

    Looking back on it, I should have done just that.

    —Ricko

    And, yes, the New Fighting Saints were a combination of the previous Saints and Mileti’s Cleveland Crusaders.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”352893″][quote comment=”352883″][quote comment=”352880″][quote comment=”352877″]gah

    linklink[/quote]

    There might be some reality to this, Phil. I found an old B&W photo of Bobby Sheehan with the NY Golden Blades. Clearly, link.[/quote]

    Further research shows that Sheehan is actually wearing his painted white skates from the California Golden Seals!

    In 1972, Sheehan laced them up with the NHL Seals for 78 games, scoring 20 goals and adding 26 helpers. The following season, he signed with the NY Raiders in the WHA, playing 75 games and amassing 35 goals alongside 53 assists. The following season? He played with the NY Golden Blades/NJ Knights.

    A little web research explains the whole thing! So I assume that the Golden Blades did not wear golden blades.[/quote]

    I can say I recall them TALKING about wearing white skates.
    Honestly don’t remember if they actually did.
    Guess the photos in that WHA tabloid might help.

    –Ricko[/quote]
    Didn’t the white skate thing happen in the Charley O. Finley years? And the switch to green/gold?

    Just now getting a chance to go through the comments. I thought I’d be one of the few to praise the San Fran video clip but it turns out that plenty of others thought it was pretty damn cool too.

    That Padres hat thing is quite intresting. I too have seen that baseball card a thousand times and not noticed anything…..until now of course. Always thought it was strange they kind of pinched the yellow front panel on the later 70’s headwear.

    Erie PA had an ACHL team in the mid-80s called the Golden Blades:

    link

    Before that, they were just the Erie Blades and wore this:

    link

    [quote comment=”352923″][quote comment=”352893″][quote comment=”352883″][quote comment=”352880″][quote comment=”352877″]gah

    linklink[/quote]

    There might be some reality to this, Phil. I found an old B&W photo of Bobby Sheehan with the NY Golden Blades. Clearly, link.[/quote]

    Further research shows that Sheehan is actually wearing his painted white skates from the California Golden Seals!

    In 1972, Sheehan laced them up with the NHL Seals for 78 games, scoring 20 goals and adding 26 helpers. The following season, he signed with the NY Raiders in the WHA, playing 75 games and amassing 35 goals alongside 53 assists. The following season? He played with the NY Golden Blades/NJ Knights.

    A little web research explains the whole thing! So I assume that the Golden Blades did not wear golden blades.[/quote]

    I can say I recall them TALKING about wearing white skates.
    Honestly don’t remember if they actually did.
    Guess the photos in that WHA tabloid might help.

    –Ricko[/quote]
    Didn’t the white skate thing happen in the Charley O. Finley years? And the switch to green/gold?

    Just now getting a chance to go through the comments. I thought I’d be one of the few to praise the San Fran video clip but it turns out that plenty of others thought it was pretty damn cool too.

    That Padres hat thing is quite intresting. I too have seen that baseball card a thousand times and not noticed anything…..until now of course. Always thought it was strange they kind of pinched the yellow front panel on the later 70’s headwear.[/quote]
    Thought I’d read that white skate Charley Finley thing somewhere…
    link

    [quote comment=”352921″][quote comment=”352915″][quote comment=”352912″][quote comment=”352903″][quote comment=”352901″][quote comment=”352895″][quote comment=”352882″][quote comment=”352879″]and finally…here’s some cool link

    did ricko write any of em?[/quote]

    Fair portion of the first two in first row.
    Worked for the league, not the individual teams.
    My then-partner wrote most of the copy.

    Can’t say, tough, what I might have written somewhere that teams might have picked up for their own guides.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Best logos had to be the Cincinnati Stingers and Phoenix Roadrunners, the worst name had to be the Michigan Stags. Phoenix had a skating roadrunner set against the state of Arizona.[/quote]

    link

    Oops,
    link

    Y’know, at the time, we joked that a lot of people down there probably thought that thing in the background was a hockey rink.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    What about the saga of the Minnesota Fighting Saints? Didn’t they absorb a failing team and/or had new ownership, and then renamed the club, the Minnesota New Fighting Saints?[/quote]

    Whoa. By that time my partner and I were no longer retained by the league—and we’d dissolved our partnership—but he was working with Nick Mileti and his people, trying to to save that franchise as the team’s …aw, hell, I don’t know what his title was, exactly. And I was eyeball deep in the project, too, as a freelance marketing/advertising/PR guy. Wrote a bunch of stories for the game programs and designed several program covers, as well as some (I think) great-looking letterhead and stationery. Still have samples at home somewhere.

    We did everything but mouth-to-mouth, but the WHA was too far on it’s downward skid….and we lost ‘er. Still remember the night the team folded. Think I’ve mentioned this before, but I left the team offices about 1 a.m., following the “we’re done” news conference. Probably three of us still left in the building. Was a brand-new white, RED and gold Saints home jersey hanging on the back of a door. Could have stuck that thing under my overcoat and left without anyone ever knowing.

    Looking back on it, I should have done just that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Losing a job is always tough, I know the feeling. Instead of taking anything, I left something, it was organic……

    [quote comment=”352924″]Erie PA had an ACHL team in the mid-80s called the Golden Blades:

    link

    Before that, they were just the Erie Blades and wore this:

    link

    and yes, they had a good old-fashioned player coach.

    [quote comment=”352920″]Indeed I was.[/quote]
    Okay, glad I didn’t get to see UniWatch until this afternoon…. ;-)
    [quote comment=”352920″]So that I could, by today’s standards, call myself a singer.[/quote]Ah, that statement applies to just about any generation, doesn’t it?

    Anyways, the word troubador brought to mind the medival madrigal-style singer image: just trying to imagine Ricko in some tights, strumming a lute (the instrument, not the coach): ooh, scary stuff kids.

    :-)

    [quote comment=”352926″]Losing a job is always tough, I know the feeling. Instead of taking anything, I left something, it was organic……[/quote]Call yourself “green”.

    You were ahead of your time (assuming this wasn’t within the last three years or so.

    [quote comment=”352919″]huh.. how about that.
    best uniform polling. only restricted to 12 uni’s. and of course, This poll is conducted in Chicago.. so there might be a BIT biased ;)[/quote]
    Indeed, it could be a bit biased, OTOH the Wings and Cardinals were among the leaders in the “others recieving votes” catagory so that shows that it must have been on-line, and that nobody at the City/County building was involved in the vote counting.

    [quote comment=”352815″][quote comment=”352813″]What were the Padres going to be called in Washington?

    Also, that photo tends to argue against a purple-and-gold color scheme, since the neck and sleeves have three-color edging of one dark color (possibly purple), one very light color, and one medium color. It could be purple, gold, and another color, but it could just as easily be navy, white, and red. Need some color photos or artifacts to clear this up — even if it was purple and gold, what was the third color? Or was it purple and gold, separated by white?[/quote]

    Purple and gold? Were they moving to Washington state or something? I’d have a hard time thinking a DC team would be anything but red, white and blue…even in those wacky wonderful ’70s.[/quote]

    Guess the Wizards didn’t get the memo.

    [quote comment=”352910″][quote comment=”352908″][quote comment=”352871″][quote comment=”352864″]For those of you young enough to not get Paul’s “Ya doesn’t have to call me Johnson” reference consider yourself lucky. For whatever reason, this bit was funny in the 70s…

    link

    I think I speak for all of the younger crowd when I say this.

    What the hell was wrong with people in the 70’s?[/quote]

    We didn’t have computers. We were really pretty bored. It didn’t take much to entertain us.[/quote]

    What? The style of humor differs from generation to generation? Damn, who knew.

    Such insight.[/quote]

    I was going to say it was the shitty disco music…but I’m gonna go out on the limb and say it was the drugs.

    Top 5 WHA jersey crests

    5. Edmonton Oilers ’72-’74
    4. Quebec Nordiques ’72-’79
    3. Cincinnatti Stingers ’75-’79
    2. New England Whalers ’73-’79
    1. Minnesota Fighting Saints ’73-’77

    One of the worst had to be the Cleveland Crusaders. The horse head looked more like a camel. Truly awful.

    Ricko as a sidebar, didn’t the St. Paul Arena have clear dasher boards? I remember watching WHA games on NBC? and as a 10-12 year old thought that was incredibly cool. I had a friend that grew up in Minneapolis who said it was really difficult to play there because the transparency played havoc with your depth perception.

    [quote comment=”352933″]Ricko as a sidebar, didn’t the St. Paul Arena have clear dasher boards? I remember watching WHA games on NBC? and as a 10-12 year old thought that was incredibly cool. I had a friend that grew up in Minneapolis who said it was really difficult to play there because the transparency played havoc with your depth perception.[/quote]

    Absolutely true: quite a departure from the NHL arenas of that era.

    And St. Paul may have been the one of the few “new” arenas the WHA played in (maybe Hartford too). They played at the Ampitheater in Chicago; that was a part of the Stockyards and a place considered old back in 1968.

    [quote comment=”352934″][quote comment=”352933″]Ricko as a sidebar, didn’t the St. Paul Arena have clear dasher boards? I remember watching WHA games on NBC? and as a 10-12 year old thought that was incredibly cool. I had a friend that grew up in Minneapolis who said it was really difficult to play there because the transparency played havoc with your depth perception.[/quote]

    Absolutely true: quite a departure from the NHL arenas of that era.

    And St. Paul may have been the one of the few “new” arenas the WHA played in (maybe Hartford too). They played at the Ampitheater in Chicago; that was a part of the Stockyards and a place considered old back in 1968.[/quote]

    And if I remember correct, clear boards were also present in the arena used in the 1972 Winter Olympics in Saporo, Japan. The thinking was – I think – Ricko can confirm or refute – Minnesota’s rink was influenced by the Olympic rink. Oddly enough – The Dodgers almost create the same effect with their ground level seats.

    [quote comment=”352935″][quote comment=”352934″][quote comment=”352933″]Ricko as a sidebar, didn’t the St. Paul Arena have clear dasher boards? I remember watching WHA games on NBC? and as a 10-12 year old thought that was incredibly cool. I had a friend that grew up in Minneapolis who said it was really difficult to play there because the transparency played havoc with your depth perception.[/quote]

    Absolutely true: quite a departure from the NHL arenas of that era.

    And St. Paul may have been the one of the few “new” arenas the WHA played in (maybe Hartford too). They played at the Ampitheater in Chicago; that was a part of the Stockyards and a place considered old back in 1968.[/quote]

    And if I remember correct, clear boards were also present in the arena used in the 1972 Winter Olympics in Saporo, Japan. The thinking was – I think – Ricko can confirm or refute – Minnesota’s rink was influenced by the Olympic rink.

    Oddly enough – The Dodgers almost create the same effect with their ground level seats.[/quote]

    Fighting Saints began play in the old St. Paul Arena, which had traditional dasher boards. During that first season (’72-’73) the new St. Paul Civic Center opened (which has since be torn down to make way for the Xcell Energy Center) and it did have the clear boards.

    As to the model of Olympics, I’d sorta doubt it because of the lead time involved. The seats in the new arena were set back aways, so it must have been in the planning for some time.

    A note about the boards. Because they were transparent, and because the seats were set back, there was noticeably less standing up and sitting down, the typical pattern of a hockey crowd as they attempt to follow the puck into the corners. The result was a crowd that seemed a little less revved up. Oh, they’d GET fired up, sure, but the general level was a notch lower. We used to talk about it from time to time in the press box.

    —Ricko

    I don’t remember if it was mentioned that Russell Martin wore a custom mouthpiece in the World Baseball Classic and start of this season to help stop using tobacco.

    re: White skates.

    Most definitely a Charlie Finley intro with the California Golden Seals (he also added “Golden” to the nickname). All of itcame with changing the team colors from kelly & royal to kelly & gold. Around 1970, I think it was. Part of the time the skates were all white, other times they were white with a fair amount of kelly.

    I don’t believe anyone was saying the Golden Blades were anything other than the WHA team that wore white skates later on (’73-’74).

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”352940″]re: White skates.

    Most definitely a Charlie Finley intro with the California Golden Seals (he also added “Golden” to the nickname). All of itcame with changing the team colors from kelly & royal to kelly & gold. Around 1970, I think it was. Part of the time the skates were all white, other times they were white with a fair amount of kelly.

    I don’t believe anyone was saying the Golden Blades were anything other than the WHA team that wore white skates later on (’73-’74).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I think before the Seals went to completely white skates, they were green and gold (as opposed to green and white). The Blues also had coloured skates – blue and yellow, although the yellow was more subdue than the Seals use of yellow, and rumour has it ,the Kings had purple skates, although the later – I’m pretty iffy about. I was a kid at the time, and coloured skates were used by a couple of players on our house league team – ah the early 70″s

    [quote comment=”352940″]re: White skates.

    Most definitely a Charlie Finley intro with the California Golden Seals (he also added “Golden” to the nickname). All of itcame with changing the team colors from kelly & royal to kelly & gold. Around 1970, I think it was. Part of the time the skates were all white, other times they were white with a fair amount of kelly.

    I don’t believe anyone was saying the Golden Blades were anything other than the WHA team that wore white skates later on (’73-’74).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    If I’m not mistaken, Charles Finley also owned the Memphis Pros of the ABA, and they too, had green and yellow uniforms. He really liked that color combination.

    Yup, you’re right. Pretty sure Bauer made them. And the Blues did wear the royal-gold (remember Gary Unger in ’em). The Seals did wear the green-gold, now that I’m reminded. In addition to the all-whites, as you mentioned.

    I keep thinking one other team wore a Bauer color combination, too, but can’t come up with it.

    Teebz’d be the one to fill in the particulars, I imagine.

    —Ricko

    Has Yadiar Molina always worn a hat under his mask? At least it looks like a hat and not a helmet…

    [quote comment=”352942″][quote comment=”352940″]re: White skates.

    Most definitely a Charlie Finley intro with the California Golden Seals (he also added “Golden” to the nickname). All of itcame with changing the team colors from kelly & royal to kelly & gold. Around 1970, I think it was. Part of the time the skates were all white, other times they were white with a fair amount of kelly.

    I don’t believe anyone was saying the Golden Blades were anything other than the WHA team that wore white skates later on (’73-’74).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    If I’m not mistaken, Charles Finley also owned the Memphis Pros of the ABA, and they too, had green and yellow uniforms. He really liked that color combination.[/quote]

    Yup. Finley changed the name from “Pros” to “Tams” (for Tennessee-Arkansas-Mississippi, which meet at/near Memphis), and colors from red, white and blue to green and gold. The Pros had inherited their colors (and uni look) from their previous incarnation as the New Orleans Bucs.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”352943″]Yup, you’re right. Pretty sure Bauer made them. And the Blues did wear the royal-gold (remember Gary Unger in ’em). The Seals did wear the green-gold, now that I’m reminded. In addition to the all-whites, as you mentioned.

    I keep thinking one other team wore a Bauer color combination, too, but can’t come up with it.

    Teebz’d be the one to fill in the particulars, I imagine.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I may have to dig up my Esso Powerplay sticker catalogue (a one year marketing phenomenon of that era in Canada) – to see if I can confirm that LA was the third team

    UFL Football is on Versus. No DVR, but I will take some pics with my phone and upload….

    Imagining Denny Green after the game, raging..
    “We didn’t know who the hell they were!!!
    We STILL don’t know who the hell they were!!!”

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”352881″][quote comment=”352871″][quote comment=”352864″]For those of you young enough to not get Paul’s “Ya doesn’t have to call me Johnson” reference consider yourself lucky. For whatever reason, this bit was funny in the 70s…

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    I think I speak for all of the younger crowd when I say this.

    What the hell was wrong with people in the 70’s?[/quote]

    Speaking for only myself, that jagoff was never funny.
    (And Norm Crosby is the name you’re trying to pull, I think).[/quote]

    Billy Saluga was Raymond J. Johnson Jr. Norm Crosby was the malaprop guy. Both did Miller
    Lite commercials in the 70’s – the commercials were usually funny. Billy Saluga apparently only had the Johnson bit, and it was one of those stupid things we children of the 70s remember fondly, but we’re not really sure why.

    [quote comment=”352953″]HOLY FUCK

    the UFL unis are even worse in action

    and NEON GREEN yardsticks…W…T…F[/quote]
    Also silver vs. white not enough contrast.

    [quote comment=”352953″]HOLY FUCK

    the UFL unis are even worse in action

    and NEON GREEN yardsticks…W…T…F[/quote]

    Lime and blue a hot design color combo these days. New look for Holiday Inn. Some of the ID’s on Fox News. To name two (but they both use navy blue). Don’t know that designing an entire football league around it is real swift, though.

    —Rick

    [quote comment=”352951″]Imagining Denny Green after the game, raging..
    “We didn’t know who the hell they were!!!
    We STILL don’t know who the hell they were!!!”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The UFL uniforms are poor, just as bad as the Buffalo Bills. The sameness among the six UFL clubs is boring, too. That being said, this league may actually survive to become a farm system of the NFL. Roger Goodell has said the NFL has discussed starting a USA based minor league, so this may happen.

    [quote comment=”352955″][quote comment=”352953″]HOLY FUCK

    the UFL unis are even worse in action

    and NEON GREEN yardsticks…W…T…F[/quote]

    Lime and blue a hot design color combo these days. New look for Holiday Inn. Some of the ID’s on Fox News. To name two (but they both use navy blue). Don’t know that designing an entire football league around it is real swift, though.

    —Rick[/quote]

    I snapped about 25 pics from the start of the game, including the coin, the football, the ref, the atrocities we now see as the unis…

    [quote comment=”352954″][quote comment=”352953″]HOLY FUCK

    the UFL unis are even worse in action

    and NEON GREEN yardsticks…W…T…F[/quote]
    Also silver vs. white not enough contrast.[/quote]

    Kinda like watching salmonella spread on blue cheese, isn’t it.

    —Ricko

    Losing a job is always tough, I know the feeling. Instead of taking anything, I left something, it was organic……
    Was it an upper-decker?

    [quote comment=”352957″]So should I be happy or pissed right now that DirecTV shitcanned Versus?[/quote]

    extremely happy

    although this is like watching a trainwreck…you can’t turn away

    and gusto, i believe there are only 4 UFL teams

    “And you thought brown & gold unis with vertically striped socks were an ugly way to introduce a football league…”

    ref: Broncos at Patriots, 1960

    —Ricko

    Ladies and Gentlemen, for those who can’t see the game, This, is the UFL…..

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    [quote comment=”352950″]Seals did war green-white.
    (from Teebz blog)
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    Hmm, I really don’t remember ever the green and white – dug this up on NHL.com

    Finley bought the Seals prior to the 1970-71 season and made changes almost immediately. The team’s name was changed from the Oakland Seals to the California Golden Seals, the team’s colors became “Kelly green, California gold and ‘polar bear’ white,” which matched Finley’s Oakland A’s Major League Baseball team’s colors — except the white was known as “wedding gown white” in baseball circles. Finley also broke hockey tradition by allowing Seals players to wear green and gold skates rather than black skates.

    OFF THE WALL

    From the low minors to the NHL
    Evan Weiner – NHL.com Correspondent
    Jack McIlhargey lived the Slap Shot life in the minors and eventually made his way to the NHL.
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    Morel kept it light with players
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    The next season, Finley changed the skate color again — this time the Golden Seals players wore white skates.

    [quote comment=”352963″]Ladies and Gentlemen, for those who can’t see the game, This, is the UFL…..

    link[/quote]

    No offense, Marcus, but those grabs make it look WAY too good. LOL. The reality is…really lame.

    —Ricko

    I have to say that I don’t mind the Redwood’s unis…I border line like them. The Loco’s however are just a mess, turquoise (or whatever the hell color that is) is not a color for pants.

    [quote comment=”352961″][quote comment=”352957″]So should I be happy or pissed right now that DirecTV shitcanned Versus?[/quote]

    extremely happy

    although this is like watching a trainwreck…you can’t turn away

    and gusto, i believe there are only 4 UFL teams[/quote]

    Shit, I’m busy watching “The Office”, and forgot how many UFL teams there are. I think the Las Vegas entry should have been called the Wildcards.

    I know it’s already been said, but I just had to reiterate: I absolutely cannot tell which team is which in this UFL game (watching on Vs.) The first thing I saw when switching over from some local news was a pass that the WR deflected and caused the ball to bounce around 4 or 5 DBs… I thought they were ALL DBs.

    The silver v. white is bad enough, but it doesn’t help that both teams have that teal as their primary color on their pants.

    I’m all for unified branding (no, wait, I’m actually not) but this is just insane.

    [quote comment=”352965″][quote comment=”352963″]Ladies and Gentlemen, for those who can’t see the game, This, is the UFL…..

    link[/quote]

    No offense, Marcus, but those grabs make it look WAY too good. LOL. The reality is…really lame.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I guess HDTV can make ANYTHING look good…

    [quote comment=”352968″][quote comment=”352961″][quote comment=”352957″]So should I be happy or pissed right now that DirecTV shitcanned Versus?[/quote]

    extremely happy

    although this is like watching a trainwreck…you can’t turn away

    and gusto, i believe there are only 4 UFL teams[/quote]

    Shit, I’m busy watching “The Office”, and forgot how many UFL teams there are. I think the Las Vegas entry should have been called the Wildcards.[/quote]

    Based on their unis and the size of the crowd…
    the Las Vegas Meh.

    [quote comment=”352971″][quote comment=”352965″][quote comment=”352963″]Ladies and Gentlemen, for those who can’t see the game, This, is the UFL…..

    link[/quote]

    No offense, Marcus, but those grabs make it look WAY too good. LOL. The reality is…really lame.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I guess HDTV can make ANYTHING look good…[/quote]

    Wasn’t making light of your effort so folks could see, I hope you know. Thanks for that.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”352973″][quote comment=”352971″][quote comment=”352965″][quote comment=”352963″]Ladies and Gentlemen, for those who can’t see the game, This, is the UFL…..

    link[/quote]

    No offense, Marcus, but those grabs make it look WAY too good. LOL. The reality is…really lame.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I guess HDTV can make ANYTHING look good…[/quote]

    Wasn’t making light of your effort so folks could see, I hope you know. Thanks for that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh know, I know what you were saying :-)
    (I count myself as one of the many that “Get You!”)

    [quote comment=”352974″][quote comment=”352973″][quote comment=”352971″][quote comment=”352965″][quote comment=”352963″]Ladies and Gentlemen, for those who can’t see the game, This, is the UFL…..

    link[/quote]

    No offense, Marcus, but those grabs make it look WAY too good. LOL. The reality is…really lame.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I guess HDTV can make ANYTHING look good…[/quote]

    Wasn’t making light of your effort so folks could see, I hope you know. Thanks for that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh know, I know what you were saying :-)
    (I count myself as one of the many that “Get You!”)[/quote]
    What kind of phone do you have? Those pix are really damn good.

    [quote comment=”352976″][quote comment=”352974″][quote comment=”352973″][quote comment=”352971″][quote comment=”352965″][quote comment=”352963″]Ladies and Gentlemen, for those who can’t see the game, This, is the UFL…..

    link[/quote]

    No offense, Marcus, but those grabs make it look WAY too good. LOL. The reality is…really lame.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I guess HDTV can make ANYTHING look good…[/quote]

    Wasn’t making light of your effort so folks could see, I hope you know. Thanks for that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Oh know, I know what you were saying :-)
    (I count myself as one of the many that “Get You!”)[/quote]
    What kind of phone do you have? Those pix are really damn good.[/quote]

    Samsung Omnia – 5MP, had it on the highest setting

    [quote comment=”352979″]San Francisco has a big ol’ tree up the center of their helmets.[/quote]

    Or is that to remind Denny Green to eat celery?

    The UFL is different for sure. Like Phil said though it is like a train wreck. I keep looking at it.

    Honestly, the football is fine, all things considered. They just let the wrong person(s) make the decisions regarding the league’s unis.

    —Ricko

    Looks like the NHL will have to fight for airtime with another league on a channel that half of the population doesn’t get.

    Awesome.

    A longtime baseball writer in San Diego once showed me a color version of the photo of Dave Freisleben in the “Washington Padres” road uniform. The team (which would have been the “Stars”) would have worn red, white and royal blue uniforms – not purple and gold.

    From what I remember, the road jersey/pants are light blue; stripes on the cuffs/selfbelt are red-white-royal; V-neck is royal-white-red; cap is blue with a red bill and white front panel. The lettering on the front (and the “W” on the cap) are red. Alas, I can’t remember what color the stirrups were.

    And no, I don’t have a color copy of the photo. But I’m sure someone out there does.

    [quote comment=”352981″]See, a tree.
    link
    Thanks, Marcus.[/quote]

    I wish i could get the Locos head on too – they have an interesting design…

    [quote comment=”352985″]A longtime baseball writer in San Diego once showed me a color version of the photo of Dave Freisleben in the “Washington Padres” road uniform. The team (which would have been the “Stars”) would have worn red, white and royal blue uniforms – not purple and gold.

    From what I remember, the road jersey/pants are light blue; stripes on the cuffs/selfbelt are red-white-royal; V-neck is royal-white-red; cap is blue with a red bill and white front panel. The lettering on the front (and the “W” on the cap) are red. Alas, I can’t remember what color the stirrups were.

    And no, I don’t have a color copy of the photo. But I’m sure someone out there does.[/quote]

    I’m with you. I don’t recall any discussion of purple and gold at the time. Sounds like one of those things someone created out of thin air—or a misunderstanding of something else they heard—and it developed legs of its own.

    Bob Schieffer of CBS News once described the Internet as “the nation’s watercooler.” Sometimes it’s about that reliable. At best.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”352983″]Honestly, the football is fine, all things considered. They just let the wrong person(s) make the decisions regarding the league’s unis.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Instead of the California Redwoods, they should have been called the Terminators. Another thought occurred to me, since city and team names are being shortened, will some announcer refer to California as “The Wood”

    [quote comment=”352986″][quote comment=”352981″]See, a tree.
    link
    Thanks, Marcus.[/quote]

    I wish i could get the Locos head on too – they have an interesting design…[/quote]

    It’s the looking straight down at the top of streamlined locomotive, I believe. Kinda like a bullet train.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”352987″]
    Bob Schieffer of CBS News once described the Internet as “the nation’s watercooler.” Sometimes it’s about that reliable. At best.[/quote]
    And sometimes this website is that burping sound from the nation’s watercooler. :-)

    [quote comment=”352988″][quote comment=”352983″]Honestly, the football is fine, all things considered. They just let the wrong person(s) make the decisions regarding the league’s unis.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Instead of the California Redwoods, they should have been called the Terminators. Another thought occurred to me, since city and team names are being shortened, will some announcer refer to California as “The Wood”[/quote]

    Considering the size of a redwood…
    The “Big Woodys”?

    [quote comment=”352990″]Kinda like a bullet train.[/quote]
    Please: that should read a Wizard train.

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    Stern wants to expand the NBA in Europe. Completely unneccesary. Why can’t they just have the NBA champs play the EuroLeague champs?

    [quote comment=”352978″]
    What kind of phone do you have? Those pix are really damn good.

    Samsung Omnia – 5MP, had it on the highest setting[/quote]I’ll admit that I’m behind the times with technology and this may be a stupid question: but are these pictures coming from a cell phone camera taking a picture of a television set??

    [quote comment=”352993″][quote comment=”352990″]Kinda like a bullet train.[/quote]
    Please: that should read a Wizard train.[/quote]

    Is my PC face red.

    I really like the distinctive diagonal shoulder yoke…oh, wait, all four UFL teams are wearing it.

    Guess it isn’t distinctive after all.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”352995″][quote comment=”352978″]
    What kind of phone do you have? Those pix are really damn good.

    Samsung Omnia – 5MP, had it on the highest setting[/quote]I’ll admit that I’m behind the times with technology and this may be a stupid question: but are these pictures coming from a cell phone camera taking a picture of a television set??[/quote]

    [quote comment=”352998″][quote comment=”352995″][quote comment=”352978″]
    What kind of phone do you have? Those pix are really damn good.

    Samsung Omnia – 5MP, had it on the highest setting[/quote]I’ll admit that I’m behind the times with technology and this may be a stupid question: but are these pictures coming from a cell phone camera taking a picture of a television set??[/quote][/quote]

    Yep

    [quote comment=”352999″]
    Yep[/quote]
    Okay, thank you for that answer: and I concur with the above, that is one great setup you’ve got working there! I never would have thought that was how those pictures were getting to my little computer.

    Thanks again.

    [quote comment=”352997″][quote]It’s the looking straight down at the top of streamlined locomotive link, I believe.[/quote]

    fixed ;)[/quote]
    What is this, post a picture of Ricko day on Uniwatch?

    Put some tights and a satin shirt on him, give him a lute and he’s a high-tech troubador. :-)

    I knew I count count on coming here to get some good uni comments on this UFL game. I can’t tell the teams apart from far away and can’t understand how a team gets a nickname (Locos) before it plays a game.

    Phil tells me the radio guy said the Dodgers were in their “traditonal navy blue” hats today.

    Right.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”353004″]Phil tells me the radio guy said the Dodgers were in their “traditonal navy blue” hats today.[/quote]

    As opposed to their non-traditional hats (of any shade). :-)

    Can we chalk this up to the idea that the national radio group brings in out-of-town announcers? Bob Brenly, who’s the Cubs color guy, is supposedly doing some work somewhere.

    [quote comment=”353005″]Wouldn’t want to be Matt Holliday heading back to Busch[/quote]
    The “chic pick” for the World Series was Yanks/Cards. That’s not looking good right now.

    But specifically to Holliday; would the Cards be in the playoffs without him? AFAIK he was one of the second half heroes.

    [quote comment=”353006″][quote comment=”353004″]Phil tells me the radio guy said the Dodgers were in their “traditonal navy blue” hats today.[/quote]

    As opposed to their non-traditional hats (of any shade). :-)

    Can we chalk this up to the idea that the national radio group brings in out-of-town announcers? Bob Brenly, who’s the Cubs color guy, is supposedly doing some work somewhere.[/quote]

    Oh..you know

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    [quote comment=”353007″][quote comment=”353005″]Wouldn’t want to be Matt Holliday heading back to Busch[/quote]
    The “chic pick” for the World Series was Yanks/Cards. That’s not looking good right now.

    But specifically to Holliday; would the Cards be in the playoffs without him? AFAIK he was one of the second half heroes.[/quote]

    Probably. All they had to do was beat the cubs in the NLC. When you have Capenter and Wainwright combined with Pujols, they probably could have pulled it off. They were leading them before the trade.

    [quote comment=”353009″]See the front of the Holyfield trunks (and buy them for only $10,000) on this page:[/quote] link

    If nothing else ever comes out of the UFL, I have to say that the Redwood’s attempt at a textured logo feel is pretty sweet. I’m a big fan of the logo, if nothing else.

    [quote comment=”352931″][quote comment=”352815″][quote comment=”352813″]What were the Padres going to be called in Washington?

    Also, that photo tends to argue against a purple-and-gold color scheme, since the neck and sleeves have three-color edging of one dark color (possibly purple), one very light color, and one medium color. It could be purple, gold, and another color, but it could just as easily be navy, white, and red. Need some color photos or artifacts to clear this up — even if it was purple and gold, what was the third color? Or was it purple and gold, separated by white?[/quote]

    Purple and gold? Were they moving to Washington state or something? I’d have a hard time thinking a DC team would be anything but red, white and blue…even in those wacky wonderful ’70s.[/quote]

    Guess the Wizards didn’t get the memo.[/quote]

    I recall having some Topps cards for the season they were supposed to move to DC- the photo had a flag over the top and one on the bottom..I think the top flag said WASHINGTON and the bottom NATIONAL LEAGUE..the hats and trip were truly awful red touchups. I used to despise that even as like a 10 year old; “what’d they use, a paintbrush from the art department at school?”

    Re: Sunday hats

    Paul: The Oakland A’s had a Sunday hat tradition in that same early 1970’s time period. The white A’s hat and I think they’d also combine with the white jerseys which looked so cool after they were always otherwise in green and yellow. Padres were probably copying that (since Oakland was the gold standard at that time).

    At that time, blue laws were in effect in most states. No grocery stores or retail stores were open on Sundays. You put on your “Sunday Best” and went to church. Sunday was a special day. So to have Sunday baseball gear not so out of the times (except it is hard to see how tigh-fisted owners would ever go for it).

    The white jerseys were for Sunday home games. The white caps were exclusively for the manager and coaching staff, and worn all-season.

    [quote comment=”352910″][quote comment=”352908″][quote comment=”352871″][quote comment=”352864″]For those of you young enough to not get Paul’s “Ya doesn’t have to call me Johnson” reference consider yourself lucky. For whatever reason, this bit was funny in the 70s…

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    I think I speak for all of the younger crowd when I say this.

    What the hell was wrong with people in the 70’s?[/quote]

    We didn’t have computers. We were really pretty bored. It didn’t take much to entertain us.[/quote]

    What? The style of humor differs from generation to generation? Damn, who knew.

    Such insight.[/quote]

    Count your blessings: “My name is Raymond J. OchoCinco. But you can call me Ocho, or…”

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