Attention Roger Goodell and David Stern: This Is Where the Slippery Slope Leads

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Hey look, it’s a can of Gay Up! What is Gay Up, you ask? It’s a new Spanish energy drink, of course! Very popular on the Spanish gay discotheque scene (insert “…or so I’m told” here, preferably in italics).

And what does all this have to do with Uni Watch, you ask? This: The guy holding the can of Gay Up is a bullfighter named Joselito Ortega, who will soon become the first matador to have an ad on his cape — an ad for, of course, Gay Up! The cape ad is an apparent first, although one other matador, Luis Reina, wore the Akai logo on his pants in the 1980s.

I’ll let you decide if another energy drink — say, one called, oh, Red Bull, perhaps? — might have been better suited to break the bullfighting advertising barrier. Meanwhile, anyone want to take bets on how long it’ll be before they use a branding iron to put an ad on the bull?

New ESPN column today — look here. — Paul

(Thanks to Ryan Burns for letting me know about the cape ad, and to Kirsten for finding the old photo of Luis Reina.)

Uni Watch News Ticker: In a move that will no doubt throw the entire solar system into disarray, Oregon is apparently planning to wear throwbacks this weekend. … Here are the new Sixers uniforms that everyone already knew about. Additional info here, plus Enrico Campitelli Jr., who covered the unveiling, has this to add: “I talked to someone who said the current jerseys could receive a tweak. Perhaps later this year or before next season. Or not at all, nothing confirmed, but it sounded like they may want to mess with the lettering/coloring a bit.” … Meanwhile, the Rockets have unveiled an alternate uni. Additional info here. … Yesterday I linked to some pics of the Rams wearing these pants, which were only worn for one preseason game in 2001. As it turns out, Kevin Mericle owns a pair of these very pants, worn by Joe Germaine in that preseason game. … Okay, so I’m just gonna keep slapping this logo on everything that doesn’t move. … Bit of a soccer jersey controversy in the Europa League (with thanks to Patrick O’Donnell). … Check out what Danilo Roman was wearing on Monday night. … What happens when you combine sports jerseys with literature? You get Novel-T, a new T-shirt company that’s come up with some simple but clever designs. Captain Ahab gets a captain’s C, Hester Prynne gets the telltale A (although it should have been red, no?), and so on (with thanks to Dane Drutis). … A double-decker FNOB jersey is up for auction (with thanks to Eric Stangel). … Tremendous news from Chris Ashworth, who reports that the Adirondack Phantoms are now purple-free! … Let’s hear it for W.B. Ray High School in Corpus Christi, whose football team wears some super-cool shoulder stripes. “They’ve worn these stripes for as long as I can remember, at least 35-40 years,” says Troy Griggsby, who adds that the team in red is the Robstown Cottonpickers. … Vintage uni items of note: a Babe Ruth uni patch and a pair of 1930s stirrups. … Kentucky QB Mike Hartline has begun wearing a glove on his throwing hand. There was an article about this on the web yesterday, but it was subscription-only, so here’s the text (big thanks to Jeremy Burson). … Tremendous old Gatorade ad here (with thanks to Jim Ransdell). … Decent look at the NHL officials’ new TV numbers here (with thanks to Matt Lesser). … New pads for Cam Ward and a new mask for Johan Hedberg. And speaking of masks, Ryan Miller wore a camera on his the other day (all this courtesy of Tyler Hull). … Decent view here of the NHL officials’ new TV numbers. … See that “Hero” NOB? No, the kid’s name isn’t Hero — that’s Holliday High in Texas, and the NOB, which the whole team wears, is short for the team’s slogan: “Holiday Eagles…,” uh, Andrew McNeel isn’t sure what the other two words are. Anyone..? … Okay, so I don’t really understand this one, but the Yomiuri Giants just clinched the Central League title, and Jeremy Brahm reports that they celebrated by dressing up as a bottle of beer and a kindergartner, among other things.

 

216 comments to Attention Roger Goodell and David Stern: This Is Where the Slippery Slope Leads

  • Adam | September 24, 2009 at 8:26 am |

    If I am a sixers fan I have to ask this question. Who designed these “New” unis? A fourth grader? I mean they are so generic, plain and lack any style…

    Now the Rockets new alternate looks sweet

  • scott | September 24, 2009 at 8:32 am |

    The sixers unis are missing a thick blue waistband. This “no waistband” trend has completely made the current NBA uniforms look like practice unis!

  • Peter Wunsch | September 24, 2009 at 8:32 am |

    Yes, it’s great that the NHL officials have larger TV numbers, but why they don’t have names that those of us who go the games know who the refs are without spending 410 for a program?

  • Peter Wunsch | September 24, 2009 at 8:33 am |

    That should have been $10 for a program

  • Robert Eden (formerly Robert in Dallas) | September 24, 2009 at 8:40 am |

    I am shocked that GoldenPalace.com has not already painted its logo on a few bulls.

  • luke h | September 24, 2009 at 8:48 am |

    The rockets should go with the red and yellow full time. Their current colors and jerseys of red and silver are pretty boring.

  • Peter | September 24, 2009 at 8:48 am |

    The Phantoms jersey’s do have a “hint” of purple…not entirely “Purple Free”

  • Ry Co 40 | September 24, 2009 at 8:54 am |

    WOW! remember that glass bottle of gatorade?!?! seems like ages ago!!!

  • leon | September 24, 2009 at 9:01 am |

    Very popular on the Spanish gay discotheque scene

    on Monday night.

    :)

  • leon | September 24, 2009 at 9:03 am |

    Try again

    Very popular on the Spanish gay discotheque scene

    http://farm3.static....

  • LI Phil | September 24, 2009 at 9:09 am |

    does ‘gay up’ only come in the can?

  • Holz | September 24, 2009 at 9:09 am |

    A Rockets uniform with Houston on the front, finally. Also looks to not have that same shiny fabric like the current home/road. Love the upward slant of the wordmark, like the original jerseys.

  • Jason Gomez | September 24, 2009 at 9:16 am |

    Love those Rockets unis, looks throwbackish….not a real NBA fan but looks better than their cartoon unis.

  • Marc M. | September 24, 2009 at 9:19 am |

    [quote comment="349741"]does ‘gay up’ only come in the can?[/quote]
    So we’re going to have gay bashing jokes all day?

  • Hott Rodd | September 24, 2009 at 9:31 am |

    [quote comment="349741"]does ‘gay up’ only come in the can?[/quote]

    no, i’ve heard it also comes in a convenient disposable rubber tube as well.

  • leon | September 24, 2009 at 9:31 am |

    [quote comment="349744"][quote comment="349741"]does ‘gay up’ only come in the can?[/quote]
    So we’re going to have gay bashing jokes all day?[/quote]

    Interspersed with inquiries about the “Legacy” games.

  • Beardface | September 24, 2009 at 9:33 am |

    [quote comment="349731"]If I am a sixers fan I have to ask this question. Who designed these “New” unis? A fourth grader? I mean they are so generic, plain and lack any style…[/quote]
    Well… they are a mix of the Celtics and Clippers uniforms, and while they are rather plain, they still look nice. The letters and numbers could go for an outline, but thats it. Even still, a major improvement over their old look, and a great way to return to their roots.

    However, the Road unis should say ‘Philadelphia’, or, better yet, ‘PHILA’

  • Namhob | September 24, 2009 at 9:40 am |

    Paul,

    You have the link for the NHL ref’s TV numbers twice in the ticker.

  • leon | September 24, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    the team in red is the Robstown Cottonpickers.

    Wondering about their mascot…….

  • bill | September 24, 2009 at 9:56 am |

    [quote comment="349749"]the team in red is the Robstown Cottonpickers.

    Wondering about their mascot…….[/quote]

    Not sure about their mascot but it is where Gene Upshaw played high school football.

  • Kyle@IU | September 24, 2009 at 10:10 am |

    Shudder-worthy note next to the second bullet in this post. For those too lazy to click:

    “Indiana will be getting new jerseys next season. Adidas officials recently showed the design to Crean, and he said it looked fine. The candy-striped pants will, of course, stay.”

  • Teebz | September 24, 2009 at 10:15 am |

    [quote comment="349733"]Yes, it’s great that the NHL officials have larger TV numbers, but why they don’t have names that those of us who go the games know who the refs are without spending 410 for a program?[/quote]

    They are to blend into their surroundings, thus not needing names. The fact that you want to know who they are is great, but when the game is being played, they are not to be noticed until they are forced to make a call.

  • Chad Johnson | September 24, 2009 at 10:22 am |

    “HERO” stands for “Holliday Eagles Roll On”

  • TC Lofton | September 24, 2009 at 10:24 am |

    [quote comment="349751"]Shudder-worthy note next to the second bullet in this post. For those too lazy to click:

    “Indiana will be getting new jerseys next season. Adidas officials recently showed the design to Crean, and he said it looked fine. The candy-striped pants will, of course, stay.”[/quote]

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! They’d better not TOUCH my Hoosiers sacred duds!

  • Mark in Shiga | September 24, 2009 at 10:25 am |

    [quote comment="349752"][quote comment="349733"]Yes, it’s great that the NHL officials have larger TV numbers, but why they don’t have names that those of us who go the games know who the refs are without spending 410 for a program?[/quote]

    They are to blend into their surroundings, thus not needing names. The fact that you want to know who they are is great, but when the game is being played, they are not to be noticed until they are forced to make a call.[/quote]

    I think another factor is that drunken idiots won’t be able to shout abuse at them as easily if the only thing on their backs in numbers. Until the early ’90s (?), the officials had *only* names on the backs, and no numbers, and then they switched. I like the numbers better.

  • Hank | September 24, 2009 at 10:25 am |

    [quote comment="349731"]If I am a sixers fan I have to ask this question. Who designed these “New” unis? A fourth grader? I mean they are so generic, plain and lack any style…

    Now the Rockets new alternate looks sweet[/quote]

    Unis aren’t really ‘new’ but a close resembelence to those worn during most of Doc’s tenure ( http://graphics.fans... ). There is already chatter about having some tweeks made to them.

  • Mark in Shiga | September 24, 2009 at 10:26 am |

    Another sighting at the Yomiuri Giants’ celebratio yesterday: more three-digit-jersey-wearing staff members on the field!

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 10:33 am |

    [quote comment="349753"]“HERO” stands for “Holliday Eagles Roll On”[/quote]

    So the History Channel has a new spinoff from their successful MonsterQuest series. Called MysteryQuest.

    Think we could get ‘em to do an hour on “Brown Horsey or Blue Horsey?”?

    Probably not. Pretty narrow audience for that one.

    —Ricko

  • Luke | September 24, 2009 at 10:34 am |

    Anyone else remember when John Vanbiesbrouck wore a camera on the side of his mask during the All Star Game (1995 maybe) I looked online but couldn’t find pictures. It was cool because he had the camera painted over so it blended in with his mask.

  • Scott Davis | September 24, 2009 at 10:34 am |

    For those of you fans of The Apples in Stereo who are bidding on Paul’s vinyl on ebay, their song “The Bird That You Can’t See” is on amazon today for free.

    http://www.amazon.co...

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment="349758"][quote comment="349753"]“HERO” stands for “Holliday Eagles Roll On”[/quote]

    So the History Channel has a new spinoff from their successful MonsterQuest series. Called MysteryQuest.

    Think we could get ‘em to do an hour on “Brown Horsey or Blue Horsey?”?

    Probably not. Pretty narrow audience for that one.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Ooops, didn’t mean to quote the “HERO” comment.
    But I WAS thinking, too bad not Favre’s high school.
    “Holiday Eagles Retire Often”

  • JimV19 | September 24, 2009 at 10:36 am |

    [quote comment="349742"]A Rockets uniform with Houston on the front, finally. Also looks to not have that same shiny fabric like the current home/road. Love the upward slant of the wordmark, like the original jerseys.[/quote]

    I really like these, too, except for one thing: it still has the new logo on the pants. Bleah.

    This http://www.logoserve... should have stayed, even if they changed unis.

    This http://www.logodesig... was a disaster, and this http://www.houstonro... looks like something scrawled in blood at a murder scene.

    As much as I love the ketchup and mustard unis, I’d rather have the new ones if they just ditched the new logo and went back to the classic one.

  • leon | September 24, 2009 at 10:38 am |

    [quote comment="349753"]“HERO” stands for “Holliday Eagles Roll On”[/quote]

    Is Holliday named for Doc Holliday, Ocho?

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 10:39 am |

    [quote comment="349762"][quote comment="349742"]A Rockets uniform with Houston on the front, finally. Also looks to not have that same shiny fabric like the current home/road. Love the upward slant of the wordmark, like the original jerseys.[/quote]

    I really like these, too, except for one thing: it still has the new logo on the pants. Bleah.

    This http://www.logoserve... should have stayed, even if they changed unis.

    This http://www.logodesig... was a disaster, and this http://www.houstonro... looks like something scrawled in blood at a murder scene.

    As much as I love the ketchup and mustard unis, I’d rather have the new ones if they just ditched the new logo and went back to the classic one.[/quote]

    Could be worse. Caught a bit of the WNBA on the WWL2 last night.
    LA Farmers vs. Phoenix Liplocks or whatever they are.
    Gosh, that’s swell.

    —Ricko

  • Dave | September 24, 2009 at 10:48 am |

    here’s a great opportunity for the sixers to engage the fan base with these unis. i think everyone is disappointed to some degree. they should definitely have outlined the letters/numbers on the jersey. i agree about the waistline, too. i mean, they could have replicated the 80s jerseys using the fabrics/cuts of today, and it would have been awesome.

    anyways, i hope we see a blue alternate with a few more design elements. there’s room to do so much with the new logo and color scheme.

  • PL | September 24, 2009 at 10:51 am |

    nice McNair Halloween tribute here…
    http://nfl.fanhouse....|main|dl1|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fnfl.fanhouse.com%2F2009%2F09%2F23%2Fskeletons-depicting-steve-mcnair-sahel-kazemi-featured-in-king%2F

  • Namhob | September 24, 2009 at 10:55 am |

    [quote comment="349766"]nice McNair Halloween tribute here…
    http://nfl.fanhouse....|main|dl1|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fnfl.fanhouse.com%2F2009%2F09%2F23%2Fskeletons-depicting-steve-mcnair-sahel-kazemi-featured-in-king%2F[/quote]
    Apparently Kings Island is pulling the display. I bet their excuse is, “Too soon?”

  • ABowen | September 24, 2009 at 10:59 am |

    Are the Phiten necklaces in chinese, too…or do they have English on them? (Even though they are probably made in China or Taiwan)

  • leon | September 24, 2009 at 11:00 am |

    [quote comment="349767"][quote comment="349766"]nice McNair Halloween tribute here…
    http://nfl.fanhouse....|main|dl1|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fnfl.fanhouse.com%2F2009%2F09%2F23%2Fskeletons-depicting-steve-mcnair-sahel-kazemi-featured-in-king%2F[/quote]
    Apparently Kings Island is pulling the display. I bet their excuse is, “Too soon?”[/quote]

    What, no Patrick Swayze?

  • ABowen | September 24, 2009 at 11:02 am |

    Phiten is a Japanese company. I should really do my research before I post!

  • Peter | September 24, 2009 at 11:09 am |

    [quote comment="349769"][quote comment="349767"][quote comment="349766"]nice McNair Halloween tribute here…
    http://nfl.fanhouse....|main|dl1|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fnfl.fanhouse.com%2F2009%2F09%2F23%2Fskeletons-depicting-steve-mcnair-sahel-kazemi-featured-in-king%2F[/quote]
    Apparently Kings Island is pulling the display. I bet their excuse is, “Too soon?”[/quote]

    What, no Patrick Swayze?[/quote]

    “you’re not wearing a costume…you have to leave”…

    why not just throw another football jersey on it…it’s poor taste yes, but I for one never believe in “it’s too soon”

  • Beardface | September 24, 2009 at 11:17 am |

    [quote comment="349767"][quote comment="349766"]nice McNair Halloween tribute here…
    http://nfl.fanhouse....|main|dl1|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fnfl.fanhouse.com%2F2009%2F09%2F23%2Fskeletons-depicting-steve-mcnair-sahel-kazemi-featured-in-king%2F[/quote]
    Apparently Kings Island is pulling the display. I bet their excuse is, “Too soon?”[/quote]
    So the skeleton of Heath Ledger surrounded by pills and the skeleton of Michael Jackson in pajamas is fine, but heaven forbid they depict Steve MacNair… I mean, its obviously not real. Look at the helmet, the Titans logo is facing the wrong way!

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 11:19 am |

    [quote comment="349771"][quote comment="349769"][quote comment="349767"][quote comment="349766"]nice McNair Halloween tribute here…
    http://nfl.fanhouse....|main|dl1|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fnfl.fanhouse.com%2F2009%2F09%2F23%2Fskeletons-depicting-steve-mcnair-sahel-kazemi-featured-in-king%2F[/quote]
    Apparently Kings Island is pulling the display. I bet their excuse is, “Too soon?”[/quote]

    What, no Patrick Swayze?[/quote]

    “you’re not wearing a costume…you have to leave”…

    why not just throw another football jersey on it…it’s poor taste yes, but I for one never believe in “it’s too soon”[/quote]

    Can we ask you about that again just after you’ve lost someone close to you?

  • Chris | September 24, 2009 at 11:19 am |

    [quote comment="349755"][quote comment="349752"][quote comment="349733"]Yes, it’s great that the NHL officials have larger TV numbers, but why they don’t have names that those of us who go the games know who the refs are without spending 410 for a program?[/quote]

    They are to blend into their surroundings, thus not needing names. The fact that you want to know who they are is great, but when the game is being played, they are not to be noticed until they are forced to make a call.[/quote]

    I think another factor is that drunken idiots won’t be able to shout abuse at them as easily if the only thing on their backs in numbers. Until the early ’90s (?), the officials had *only* names on the backs, and no numbers, and then they switched. I like the numbers better.[/quote]
    Have another doughnut! Have another doughnut!

  • Teebz | September 24, 2009 at 11:20 am |

    [quote comment="349774"][quote comment="349755"][quote comment="349752"][quote comment="349733"]Yes, it’s great that the NHL officials have larger TV numbers, but why they don’t have names that those of us who go the games know who the refs are without spending 410 for a program?[/quote]

    They are to blend into their surroundings, thus not needing names. The fact that you want to know who they are is great, but when the game is being played, they are not to be noticed until they are forced to make a call.[/quote]

    I think another factor is that drunken idiots won’t be able to shout abuse at them as easily if the only thing on their backs in numbers. Until the early ’90s (?), the officials had *only* names on the backs, and no numbers, and then they switched. I like the numbers better.[/quote]
    Have another doughnut! Have another doughnut![/quote]

    That might be Jim Schoenfeld’s best work as a head coach. LOL

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 11:22 am |

    [quote comment="349773"][quote comment="349771"][quote comment="349769"][quote comment="349767"][quote comment="349766"]nice McNair Halloween tribute here…
    http://nfl.fanhouse....|main|dl1|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fnfl.fanhouse.com%2F2009%2F09%2F23%2Fskeletons-depicting-steve-mcnair-sahel-kazemi-featured-in-king%2F[/quote]
    Apparently Kings Island is pulling the display. I bet their excuse is, “Too soon?”[/quote]

    What, no Patrick Swayze?[/quote]

    “you’re not wearing a costume…you have to leave”…

    why not just throw another football jersey on it…it’s poor taste yes, but I for one never believe in “it’s too soon”[/quote]

    Can we ask you about that again just after you’ve lost someone close to you?[/quote]

    Now, if you meant never too soon to skewer a celebrity for their feet of clay, I’d agree. Fame comes with with your transgressions on public display. Don’t like it? Give back the fame….and the opulent lifestyle.

    —Ricko

  • M.Princip | September 24, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    Absolutely badass! Props to the WB Ray Texans for the most original jerseys I’ve seen in a long time. Now, I’d love to see a pictorial timeline for these; 35-40 years.

  • Chris | September 24, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    It looks Massachusetts picked Tim McCarver to be the interim senator. Oh wait, that’s not McCarver. Too bad, he would have been the most focused senator in years, never going off on tangents.

  • Hank | September 24, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    [quote comment="349777"]Absolutely badass! Props to the WB Ray Texans for the most original jerseys I’ve seen in a long time. Now, I’d love to see a pictorial timeline for these; 35-40 years.[/quote]

    They are a great look. But I thought they reminded me of something (College All-Stars v NFL) http://cdn.bleacherr...

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 11:42 am |

    [quote comment="349779"][quote comment="349777"]Absolutely badass! Props to the WB Ray Texans for the most original jerseys I’ve seen in a long time. Now, I’d love to see a pictorial timeline for these; 35-40 years.[/quote]

    They are a great look. But I thought they reminded me of something (College All-Stars v NFL) http://cdn.bleacherr...

    I wonder if the running back’s team made “buzzing” noises when they ran.

    —Ricko

  • Peter | September 24, 2009 at 11:43 am |

    Ricko:

    I highly respect your knowledge & wisdom. I have recently loss a close family member (July) (not in such a tragic way), but still…it was quite difficult for some members of my family.

    I made some Dark/Black jokes @ the funeral & wake, but I was careful & respectful w/whose company I was present.

    We all have different perspectives and tastes, and some people (I am one of those), who makes very dark comments and & or jokes for comic relief, and yes…admittingly shock value.

    People close to me know this, people who don’t know me & just meet me learn this. If someone doesn’t like it, I usually pick up on it and do not pursue my humor in that fashion, but there are some I do meet have similar ideas/thoughts/humor running through their minds and we make quite a good company.

    Case in point: When Gilbert Gottfried made a 9/11 joke RIGHT AFTER it happened…yes many people (included myself) yelled too soon…but I also had peers that this was their way of coping/securing themselves.

    Do I apologize if I offended you? Yes. That was not my intent…but I do not apologize for thinking of the quote from South Park and putting in the same context it was used over 3 years ago (when they used in on Steve Irwin), no.

    So, let’s just wipe the slate clean and never make fun of dead people…unless it’s Oscar Wilde…I hate that Bastard…quoting EVERYTHING.

  • Teebz | September 24, 2009 at 11:47 am |

    [quote comment="349781"]
    So, let’s just wipe the slate clean and never make fun of dead people…unless it’s Oscar Wilde…I hate that Bastard…quoting EVERYTHING.[/quote]

    Joke’s de… er, retired?

    Too soon? LOL

    And yes, I’m just trying to lighten the mood over this.

  • Peter | September 24, 2009 at 11:50 am |

    See!! This is why I drive 6+ hours to Toronto…Canadian Humo”u”r…

    back to uni’s: Teebz: so there’s NO HOCKEY News AT ALL from Portland

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 11:51 am |

    [quote comment="349762"][quote comment="349742"]A Rockets uniform with Houston on the front, finally. Also looks to not have that same shiny fabric like the current home/road. Love the upward slant of the wordmark, like the original jerseys.[/quote]

    I really like these, too, except for one thing: it still has the new logo on the pants. Bleah.

    This http://www.logoserve... should have stayed, even if they changed unis.

    This http://www.logodesig... was a disaster, and this http://www.houstonro... looks like something scrawled in blood at a murder scene.

    As much as I love the ketchup and mustard unis, I’d rather have the new ones if they just ditched the new logo and went back to the classic one.[/quote]

    Thank you for noting the obvious flaw in this…
    http://www.houstonro...

    That logo has REALLY always been high on my “What WERE they thinking???” list. I mean didn’t SOMEONE in the Rockets’ organization have the brains to say, “You’re kidding, right? We’re gonna look like we get our ideas from Charlie Manson? Or should we just change our name the Houston Helter Skelter?”

    One of THE dumbest logo decisions of all time. From a business standpoint, just unconscious. Should never have seen daylight.

    (There’s a thought, perhaps the folks who designed rarely see daylight, either).

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment="349781"]Ricko:

    I highly respect your knowledge & wisdom. I have recently loss a close family member (July) (not in such a tragic way), but still…it was quite difficult for some members of my family.

    I made some Dark/Black jokes @ the funeral & wake, but I was careful & respectful w/whose company I was present.

    We all have different perspectives and tastes, and some people (I am one of those), who makes very dark comments and & or jokes for comic relief, and yes…admittingly shock value.

    People close to me know this, people who don’t know me & just meet me learn this. If someone doesn’t like it, I usually pick up on it and do not pursue my humor in that fashion, but there are some I do meet have similar ideas/thoughts/humor running through their minds and we make quite a good company.

    Case in point: When Gilbert Gottfried made a 9/11 joke RIGHT AFTER it happened…yes many people (included myself) yelled too soon…but I also had peers that this was their way of coping/securing themselves.

    Do I apologize if I offended you? Yes. That was not my intent…but I do not apologize for thinking of the quote from South Park and putting in the same context it was used over 3 years ago (when they used in on Steve Irwin), no.

    So, let’s just wipe the slate clean and never make fun of dead people…unless it’s Oscar Wilde…I hate that Bastard…quoting EVERYTHING.[/quote]

    I posted a second entry because I realized there were at least two contexts in which you could have been speaking.

    And believe me, if anywhere here gets black humor, it’s me. And, as I said, I have no problem zinging public figures whose sanctimony belies their real selves.

    So we aren’t truly at odds at all.

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | September 24, 2009 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment="349783"]See!! This is why I drive 6+ hours to Toronto…Canadian Humo”u”r…

    back to uni’s: Teebz: so there’s NO HOCKEY News AT ALL from Portland[/quote]

    None. They barely even recognize the WHL’s Winterhawks.

    However, Oregon, Oregon State, and the Seattle Seahawks football programs were front and center every single minute of the day. So if that’s your thing… y’know…

  • Peter | September 24, 2009 at 12:00 pm |

    Ricko 2:

    I must have been writing my response while you were writing yours…

    Now, if the UN could run as smooth as UNI with the dialog, The world would be a better place….

    OAN: I just finished When Men Win Glory….very interesting account of Pat Tillman, I would like to post / share ideas if anyone else read on the take of the book

  • Peter | September 24, 2009 at 12:10 pm |

    Gretzky Quits!!

    Man it must suck to be a Coyote “fan”

  • Peter | September 24, 2009 at 12:11 pm |

    Teebz: Could all this have been avoided (w/the Coyotes) if they just stayed in Winnipeg?

  • Jeff P | September 24, 2009 at 12:16 pm |

    [quote comment="349788"]Gretzky Quits!!

    Man it must suck to be a Coyote “fan”[/quote]

    Their fans have actually been rooting for that for a while now. Something about him completely sucking as a coach and drawing 5 times the salary of most others seems to ring a bell.

  • Paul Lukas | September 24, 2009 at 12:23 pm |

    Today’s ESPN column — which mostly covers stuff we’ve already covered on the blog — is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

  • Teebz | September 24, 2009 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment="349789"]Teebz: Could all this have been avoided (w/the Coyotes) if they just stayed in Winnipeg?[/quote]

    No. Winnipeg is not an NHL city. What would have helped would be:

    1) Stable, local ownership who knew the fanbase.
    2) The ability to attract and retain talent.
    3) A management team who could build through the draft and amass a solid farm team.
    4) Ownership who didn’t jump ship when they encountered the first minor problem.

    But since that’s applicable to all teams in all sports, it seems the Coyotes were effed from the beginning.

  • Juke Early | September 24, 2009 at 12:29 pm |

    Being gay isn’t wrong. Bullfighting sure is. Just as sick as Vick—fuck that culture crap excuse. Anyone who gets off
    “fighting” an animal, and gee golly, wouldn’t you be pissed off if you were the bull—or watching a JO do it—is an ahole.

  • JimV19 | September 24, 2009 at 12:39 pm |

    [quote comment="349791"]Today’s ESPN column — which mostly covers stuff we’ve already covered on the blog — is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    “It’s one of the sports world’s nice little annual rituals, like Mike Hampton having arm surgery.”

    Line Of The Day candidate, Paul!

  • Scott Zielan | September 24, 2009 at 12:40 pm |

    I like the Rockets new alts. They should make those the permanent road unis and design a new home uni in the same style.

  • Andy11 | September 24, 2009 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment="349772"][quote comment="349767"][quote comment="349766"]nice McNair Halloween tribute here…
    http://nfl.fanhouse....|main|dl1|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fnfl.fanhouse.com%2F2009%2F09%2F23%2Fskeletons-depicting-steve-mcnair-sahel-kazemi-featured-in-king%2F[/quote]
    Apparently Kings Island is pulling the display. I bet their excuse is, “Too soon?”[/quote]
    So the skeleton of Heath Ledger surrounded by pills and the skeleton of Michael Jackson in pajamas is fine, but heaven forbid they depict Steve MacNair… I mean, its obviously not real. Look at the helmet, the Titans logo is facing the wrong way![/quote]

    They’re pulling the entire display. http://www.wlwt.com/...

  • Squiddie | September 24, 2009 at 12:45 pm |

    Did someone mention Michael Jackson?

  • JimV19 | September 24, 2009 at 12:48 pm |

    [quote comment="349779"][quote comment="349777"]Absolutely badass! Props to the WB Ray Texans for the most original jerseys I’ve seen in a long time. Now, I’d love to see a pictorial timeline for these; 35-40 years.[/quote]

    They are a great look. But I thought they reminded me of something (College All-Stars v NFL) http://cdn.bleacherr...

    Could you imagine this http://farm3.static.... vs. this? http://sports.ha.com...

  • JTH | September 24, 2009 at 12:56 pm |

    [quote comment="349754"][quote comment="349751"]Shudder-worthy note next to the second bullet in this post. For those too lazy to click:

    “Indiana will be getting new jerseys next season. Adidas officials recently showed the design to Crean, and he said it looked fine. The candy-striped pants will, of course, stay.”[/quote]

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! They’d better not TOUCH my Hoosiers sacred duds![/quote]
    Crean wouldn’t do something stupid like allow a uni overhaul in his second year, would he? WOULD HE?

    I wonder if they did something like move the logo on the back up to the collar, kinda like Michigan. Or maybe they’re bringing back the one on the front collar from the Nike days.

    Not that I’m in favor of either of those things, but I can live with them.

    The only change I would be in favor of is a cream-colored home alt. Or maybe like a 1940 throwback or something. But that post says “new jerseys” not uniforms so I’m guessing neither of those will be the case.

  • leon | September 24, 2009 at 1:00 pm |

    They’re pulling the entire display. http://www.wlwt.com/

    While I think whoever came up with this “idea” in the first place is a moron, this whole affair is symptomatic of an attempt to juice up a “holiday” which is really nothing more than a candy grab promoted by Hallmark and the sugar industry. Christ, you’d think it was Christmas!

  • leon | September 24, 2009 at 1:05 pm |

    1940 throwback

    Isn’t 27 Jimmy Chitwood?

  • leon | September 24, 2009 at 1:06 pm |

    (Sigh) Try again:

    http://www2.indystar...

    As I was saying, isn’t 27 Jimmy Chitwood?

  • JTH | September 24, 2009 at 1:11 pm |

    [quote comment="349802"](Sigh) Try again:

    http://www2.indystar...

    As I was saying, isn’t 27 Jimmy Chitwood?[/quote]
    #15 and I believe “Jimmy” would have been about 3 years old in 1940.

  • mmwatkin | September 24, 2009 at 1:11 pm |

    [quote comment="349791"]Today’s ESPN column — which mostly covers stuff we’ve already covered on the blog — is up:
    http://sports.espn.g...

    Nice summary of all the uni news in the busiest sports season.

    Only error I found is that you left out Carlos Guillen for players that wore the S100

    http://1.bp.blogspot...

  • Leaky | September 24, 2009 at 1:14 pm |

    Looks like Stevie Wonder is doing free-lance graphic design work again for the NBA. The Sixers new unis look like bad practicewear from the early ’90′s and the Rockets unis look like a Wendy’s parking lot trash cleaning service.

    These are brutal. Terrible. Stern are you paying attention?

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment="349802"](Sigh) Try again:

    http://www2.indystar...

    As I was saying, isn’t 27 Jimmy Chitwood?[/quote]

    So, if were visiting there, and the town physician n asked if you’d like a drink, would you have the courage to say, “Sure, I’ll have a Hickory Daiquiri, Doc.”

    ba dum

    bum.

    —Ricko

  • Leaky | September 24, 2009 at 1:17 pm |

    HOUSTON on the front of the Rockets jersey means only one thing… Someone in the Mayor’s office in Houston paid Les Alexander some money for the HOUSTON moniker on the uni.

  • JTN | September 24, 2009 at 1:19 pm |

    Is this the first time anyone has seen a school crest on the socks of soccer players? Probably more common in the high school level like this is than in college or professional…

    http://www.kansascit...

    (Pic can be found in pic 3 of 11)

  • leon | September 24, 2009 at 1:19 pm |

    [quote comment="349806"][quote comment="349802"](Sigh) Try again:

    http://www2.indystar...

    As I was saying, isn’t 27 Jimmy Chitwood?[/quote]

    So, if were visiting there, and the town physician n asked if you’d like a drink, would you have the courage to say, “Sure, I’ll have a Hickory Daiquiri, Doc.”

    ba dum

    bum.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Really bad, but I did smile.

  • concealed78 | September 24, 2009 at 1:27 pm |

    On the Oregon Ducks throwbacks: Nice! A real, golden Old Athletic Gold color helmet, and a real nice shade of green! No stupid gold, silver, black, piss yellow or dark green, or any stupid modern design technology shit. Nothing but pure, clean goodness. That green UO shirt is clean & sharp it’s actually shocking.

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 1:30 pm |

    [quote comment="349810"]On the Oregon Ducks throwbacks: Nice! A real, golden Old Athletic Gold color helmet, and a real nice shade of green! No stupid gold, silver, black, piss yellow or dark green, or any stupid modern design technology shit. Nothing but pure, clean goodness. That green UO shirt is clean & sharp it’s actually shocking.[/quote]

    Along the way you make a point that often gets overlooked. In addition to the adding of black and slug, there’s also the fact that Steve Prefontaine never wore forest green running for Oregon. Ever.

    Was kelly green.

    —Ricko

  • joe | September 24, 2009 at 1:34 pm |

    [quote comment="349773"][quote comment="349771"][quote comment="349769"][quote comment="349767"][quote comment="349766"]nice McNair Halloween tribute here…
    http://nfl.fanhouse....|main|dl1|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fnfl.fanhouse.com%2F2009%2F09%2F23%2Fskeletons-depicting-steve-mcnair-sahel-kazemi-featured-in-king%2F[/quote]
    Apparently Kings Island is pulling the display. I bet their excuse is, “Too soon?”[/quote]

    What, no Patrick Swayze?[/quote]

    “you’re not wearing a costume…you have to leave”…

    why not just throw another football jersey on it…it’s poor taste yes, but I for one never believe in “it’s too soon”[/quote]

    Can we ask you about that again just after you’ve lost someone close to you?[/quote]

    how many people was he banging, there can’t be that many people in Nashville that close to him.

  • Hank | September 24, 2009 at 1:46 pm |

    [quote comment="349798"][quote comment="349779"][quote comment="349777"]Absolutely badass! Props to the WB Ray Texans for the most original jerseys I’ve seen in a long time. Now, I’d love to see a pictorial timeline for these; 35-40 years.[/quote]

    They are a great look. But I thought they reminded me of something (College All-Stars v NFL) http://cdn.bleacherr...

    Could you imagine this http://farm3.static.... vs. this? http://sports.ha.com...

    Now that would be a clash of the titans. It could be named the Stars and Stripes Forever Game.

  • Jeff | September 24, 2009 at 1:53 pm |

    http://www.shorpy.co...

    What’s best? The different “C” fonts, the different styles of tops, the different style of “shorts”, the awesomely textured socks, or the fact that the first girl just slipped her feet into her shoes?

  • Dane | September 24, 2009 at 1:56 pm |

    [quote comment="349792"][quote comment="349789"]Teebz: Could all this have been avoided (w/the Coyotes) if they just stayed in Winnipeg?[/quote]

    No. Winnipeg is not an NHL city. What would have helped would be:

    1) Stable, local ownership who knew the fanbase.
    2) The ability to attract and retain talent.
    3) A management team who could build through the draft and amass a solid farm team.
    4) Ownership who didn’t jump ship when they encountered the first minor problem.

    But since that’s applicable to all teams in all sports, it seems the Coyotes were effed from the beginning.[/quote]

    5) Staying in the downtown Phoenix area, instead of moving to the outskirts of Glendale. That was listed as a major obstacle for attending Coyotes games.

    Take the Washington Capitals as the counter-example. Dead arena in Landover, MD; live arena in downtown DC.

  • Dane | September 24, 2009 at 1:57 pm |

    College football rankings… based on uniform design?

    http://news.yahoo.co...

  • leon | September 24, 2009 at 2:00 pm |

    Take the Washington Capitals as the counter-example. Dead arena in Landover, MD; live arena in downtown DC.

    Your premise could be correct, but your example is flawed.

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment="349815"][quote comment="349792"][quote comment="349789"]Teebz: Could all this have been avoided (w/the Coyotes) if they just stayed in Winnipeg?[/quote]

    No. Winnipeg is not an NHL city. What would have helped would be:

    1) Stable, local ownership who knew the fanbase.
    2) The ability to attract and retain talent.
    3) A management team who could build through the draft and amass a solid farm team.
    4) Ownership who didn’t jump ship when they encountered the first minor problem.

    But since that’s applicable to all teams in all sports, it seems the Coyotes were effed from the beginning.[/quote]

    5) Staying in the downtown Phoenix area, instead of moving to the outskirts of Glendale. That was listed as a major obstacle for attending Coyotes games.

    Take the Washington Capitals as the counter-example. Dead arena in Landover, MD; live arena in downtown DC.[/quote]

    Plus, didn’t they build the arena on virtually the opposite side of the market area from where the more affluent more likely ticket buyer live? Thought I read that somewhere.

    —Ricko

  • leon | September 24, 2009 at 2:04 pm |

    Tank McNamara nitpick:
    The coach’s wife refers to the unis as “darling”. The guy on the phone says “daring.”

    Just sayin…..

  • Teebz | September 24, 2009 at 2:08 pm |

    [quote comment="349818"][quote comment="349815"][quote comment="349792"][quote comment="349789"]
    1) Stable, local ownership who knew the fanbase.
    2) The ability to attract and retain talent.
    3) A management team who could build through the draft and amass a solid farm team.
    4) Ownership who didn’t jump ship when they encountered the first minor problem.

    But since that’s applicable to all teams in all sports, it seems the Coyotes were effed from the beginning.[/quote]

    5) Staying in the downtown Phoenix area, instead of moving to the outskirts of Glendale. That was listed as a major obstacle for attending Coyotes games.

    Take the Washington Capitals as the counter-example. Dead arena in Landover, MD; live arena in downtown DC.[/quote]

    Plus, didn’t they build the arena on virtually the opposite side of the market area from where the more affluent more likely ticket buyer live? Thought I read that somewhere.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Doesn’t matter. The arena came long after the initial problems emerged with the Coyotes. That simply pushed them closer to the brink.

    What people fail to realize is that the NHL needs Phoenix in the same way that the NFL, the NBA, and MLB need Phoenix.

    It is a major market for television in the United States, and ESPN is easier to approach if you have the top 10 population markets in the US. If the goal of the NHL is to get back on to the US television landscape, Phoenix has to be a major market.

    The problem with the Coyotes being a major team lies in the five above reasons.

  • Teebz | September 24, 2009 at 2:09 pm |

    [quote comment="349820"][quote comment="349818"][quote comment="349815"]
    1) Stable, local ownership who knew the fanbase.
    2) The ability to attract and retain talent.
    3) A management team who could build through the draft and amass a solid farm team.
    4) Ownership who didn’t jump ship when they encountered the first minor problem.

    But since that’s applicable to all teams in all sports, it seems the Coyotes were effed from the beginning.[/quote]

    5) Staying in the downtown Phoenix area, instead of moving to the outskirts of Glendale. That was listed as a major obstacle for attending Coyotes games.

    Take the Washington Capitals as the counter-example. Dead arena in Landover, MD; live arena in downtown DC.[/quote]

    Plus, didn’t they build the arena on virtually the opposite side of the market area from where the more affluent more likely ticket buyer live? Thought I read that somewhere.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Doesn’t matter. The arena came long after the initial problems emerged with the Coyotes. That simply pushed them closer to the brink.

    What people fail to realize is that the NHL needs Phoenix in the same way that the NFL, the NBA, and MLB need Phoenix.

    It is a major market for television in the United States, and ESPN is easier to approach if you have the top 10 population markets in the US. If the goal of the NHL is to get back on to the US television landscape, Phoenix has to be a major market.

    The problem with the Coyotes being a major team lies in the five above reasons.

    fixed my own quote issues

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 2:15 pm |

    [quote comment="349819"]Tank McNamara nitpick:
    The coach’s wife refers to the unis as “darling”. The guy on the phone says “daring.”

    Just sayin…..[/quote]

    Not a screw up, I don’t think. Taken in context, daring means “fashion forward” and darling means “lovely.” The words just happen to look alike.

  • leon | September 24, 2009 at 2:17 pm |

    The Capital Centre was a state-of-the-art multi use arena when it was built in the 70′s. There was never, to my knowledge, any notion of either the Bullets or Caps moving because of attendance issues. Not being served by public transportation became an issue and when it started showing it’s age, Mr. Pollin built a new arena downtown (not all that popular an idea in 1970-remember we’re dealing with a federal city , here). Believe me, it had it’s share of sellouts.

  • Hott Rodd | September 24, 2009 at 2:51 pm |

    [quote comment="349818"][quote comment="349815"][quote comment="349792"][quote comment="349789"]Teebz: Could all this have been avoided (w/the Coyotes) if they just stayed in Winnipeg?[/quote]

    No. Winnipeg is not an NHL city. What would have helped would be:

    1) Stable, local ownership who knew the fanbase.
    2) The ability to attract and retain talent.
    3) A management team who could build through the draft and amass a solid farm team.
    4) Ownership who didn’t jump ship when they encountered the first minor problem.

    But since that’s applicable to all teams in all sports, it seems the Coyotes were effed from the beginning.[/quote]

    5) Staying in the downtown Phoenix area, instead of moving to the outskirts of Glendale. That was listed as a major obstacle for attending Coyotes games.

    Take the Washington Capitals as the counter-example. Dead arena in Landover, MD; live arena in downtown DC.[/quote]

    Plus, didn’t they build the arena on virtually the opposite side of the market area from where the more affluent more likely ticket buyer live? Thought I read that somewhere.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    They tried extremely hard to put the arena right smack dab in the middle of scottsdale (the aforementioned center of affluency) and failed terribly. But as with all hocky info, I believe whatever MR. Teebz says.

  • Philip | September 24, 2009 at 3:14 pm |

    The beer mug hat on the Giants player says “Asahi Super Dry.” Wonder if it’s a contractual or product placement thing. Although the guy dressed as a school boy just makes me think they’re being goofy.

  • SBCinAZ | September 24, 2009 at 3:43 pm |

    Ricko:
    “That logo has REALLY always been high on my “What WERE they thinking???” list. I mean didn’t SOMEONE in the Rockets’ organization have the brains to say, “You’re kidding, right? We’re gonna look like we get our ideas from Charlie Manson? Or should we just change our name the Huston Helter Skelter?””

    Maybe I’m in the minority here, but in all of the time the Rockets have been using their new logo I’ve never once seen dripping blood in it. To me, due to the rocket, it has always just looked like ‘motion’ to me. I, also, much prefer this logo to their two previous ones; the pinstripe era one is too cartoonish and the previous championship era one is way to basketball generic.

    Ricko, also says:
    “Plus, didn’t they build the arena on virtually the opposite side of the market area from where the more affluent more likely ticket buyer live? Thought I read that somewhere.”

    Yes, most of their original ticket base was in the east valley areas of Scottsdale/Tempe. The arena is on the west side, which isn’t nearly so rich (ritzy, nor snobby), but most of the future growth in the Phoenix metro area will be to the west (east of Scottsdale are mountains and Indian Reservations).

  • George Ciervo | September 24, 2009 at 3:45 pm |

    [quote comment="349821"]What people fail to realize is that the NHL needs Phoenix in the same way that the NFL, the NBA, and MLB need Phoenix.[/quote]

    Well, if the NFL can survive without Los Angeles…

  • chance michaels | September 24, 2009 at 3:58 pm |

    [quote comment="349821"]What people fail to realize is that the NHL needs Phoenix in the same way that the NFL, the NBA, and MLB need Phoenix.[/quote]

    The NHL certainly wants Phoenix much more than Phoenix wants the NHL….

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 4:02 pm |

    [quote comment="349826"]Ricko:
    “That logo has REALLY always been high on my “What WERE they thinking???” list. I mean didn’t SOMEONE in the Rockets’ organization have the brains to say, “You’re kidding, right? We’re gonna look like we get our ideas from Charlie Manson? Or should we just change our name the Huston Helter Skelter?””

    Maybe I’m in the minority here, but in all of the time the Rockets have been using their new logo I’ve never once seen dripping blood in it. To me, due to the rocket, it has always just looked like ‘motion’ to me. I, also, much prefer this logo to their two previous ones; the pinstripe era one is too cartoonish and the previous championship era one is way to basketball generic.

    Ricko, also says:
    “Plus, didn’t they build the arena on virtually the opposite side of the market area from where the more affluent more likely ticket buyer live? Thought I read that somewhere.”

    Yes, most of their original ticket base was in the east valley areas of Scottsdale/Tempe. The arena is on the west side, which isn’t nearly so rich (ritzy, nor snobby), but most of the future growth in the Phoenix metro area will be to the west (east of Scottsdale are mountains and Indian Reservations).[/quote]

    No doubt people see things differently. I saw the blood smear effect on the Rockets logo almost immediately. And I’m not saying the entire logo is bad. Has an incredibly nice 50′s feel. Just think the designer could have found Plan B for the descenders, that’s all.

    A good designer is supposed to anticipate potholes ahead, so to speak, not be oblivious to them. A designer has to be able to step back, look at the work and ask, “Okay, are there any potential problems?”, and fix them. If can’t, then isn’t suited to being a commercial artist/designer and is too busy being an “artiste”.

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | September 24, 2009 at 4:04 pm |

    [quote comment="349827"][quote comment="349821"]What people fail to realize is that the NHL needs Phoenix in the same way that the NFL, the NBA, and MLB need Phoenix.[/quote]

    Well, if the NFL can survive without Los Angeles…[/quote]

    Except that they have the bay area, San Diego, and northern California covered. They already occupy a large portion of that population area with San Francisco, Oakland, and San Diego being included.

    The NHL would have nothing between Dallas and Los Angeles if the Coyotes left whereas the NFL does, and therefore has a major market inroad in terms of one of the most populous areas in the USA.

  • JTH | September 24, 2009 at 4:05 pm |

    [quote comment="349825"]The beer mug hat on the Giants player says “Asahi Super Dry.” [/quote]
    Am I the only one who saw that and thought of this?

  • Teebz | September 24, 2009 at 4:09 pm |

    [quote comment="349828"][quote comment="349821"]What people fail to realize is that the NHL needs Phoenix in the same way that the NFL, the NBA, and MLB need Phoenix.[/quote]

    The NHL certainly wants Phoenix much more than Phoenix wants the NHL….[/quote]

    If you want ESPN, you need Phoenix. Check the Top 50 cities in the US for population as of 2007. No ESPN = no TV deal.

    ESPN deals in market size, not in fan viewership. They care about the advertising dollars, and the more people that watch = the more dollars they can charge.

  • JTH | September 24, 2009 at 4:10 pm |

    [quote comment="349830"][quote comment="349827"][quote comment="349821"]What people fail to realize is that the NHL needs Phoenix in the same way that the NFL, the NBA, and MLB need Phoenix.[/quote]

    Well, if the NFL can survive without Los Angeles…[/quote]

    Except that they have the bay area, San Diego, and northern California covered. They already occupy a large portion of that population area with San Francisco, Oakland, and San Diego being included.

    The NHL would have nothing between Dallas and Los Angeles if the Coyotes left whereas the NFL does, and therefore has a major market inroad in terms of one of the most populous areas in the USA.[/quote]
    Despite the fact that there is no longer an NFL team that calls it home, the NFL (and football in general) is still well-established in the LA market. Lots of people are still tuning in to watch the teams you mentioned. Plus there are the transplants who still follow the teams they grew up with.

  • Hott Rodd | September 24, 2009 at 4:12 pm |

    [quote comment="349828"][quote comment="349821"]What people fail to realize is that the NHL needs Phoenix in the same way that the NFL, the NBA, and MLB need Phoenix.[/quote]

    The NHL certainly wants Phoenix much more than Phoenix wants the NHL….[/quote]

    The problem with phoenix is that Phoenix was is and and always will be a “results” town. You put a good product out there, and people will show up. The Cardinals sucked for 18 years, no one showed up. The Suns are in the playoffs every year, people show up, the years they don’t make the playoffs, people do not show up. 13th 14th 16th in conference, people do not show up. Phoenix is too much of a melting pot, with too many different allegiances to original hometown teams for a franchise to expect to draw crowds if they do not produce results. Don’t blame me for it, that is just the way it is.

    (And yes a 7pm wednesday night game 33 miles from where I live is in fact a deterrent to my going to coyotes games, but the same holds true for Suns and Dbacks 17 miles away.

  • Hott Rodd | September 24, 2009 at 4:19 pm |

    [quote comment="349832"][quote comment="349828"][quote comment="349821"]What people fail to realize is that the NHL needs Phoenix in the same way that the NFL, the NBA, and MLB need Phoenix.[/quote]

    The NHL certainly wants Phoenix much more than Phoenix wants the NHL….[/quote]

    If you want ESPN, you need Phoenix. Check the Top 50 cities in the US for population as of 2007. No ESPN = no TV deal.

    ESPN deals in market size, not in fan viewership. They care about the advertising dollars, and the more people that watch = the more dollars they can charge.[/quote]

    And to back teebz point, i’ll add that that chart does not show total population of the market, because the surrounding area is pushed to more than 3 mil when you add in Tempe, mesa, glendale, chandler, scottsdale, etc.

  • chance michaels | September 24, 2009 at 4:29 pm |

    [quote comment="349835"][quote comment="349832"][quote comment="349828"][quote comment="349821"]What people fail to realize is that the NHL needs Phoenix in the same way that the NFL, the NBA, and MLB need Phoenix.[/quote]

    The NHL certainly wants Phoenix much more than Phoenix wants the NHL….[/quote]

    If you want ESPN, you need Phoenix. Check the Top 50 cities in the US for population as of 2007. No ESPN = no TV deal.

    ESPN deals in market size, not in fan viewership. They care about the advertising dollars, and the more people that watch = the more dollars they can charge.[/quote]

    And to back teebz point, i’ll add that that chart does not show total population of the market, because the surrounding area is pushed to more than 3 mil when you add in Tempe, mesa, glendale, chandler, scottsdale, etc.[/quote]
    And yet the Coyotes still lose tens of millions of dollars every single year. Year in, year out.

    I’d be interested to see what the ESPN ratings are for the market. We know they don’t go to games, but do they watch them on television?

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 4:31 pm |

    Top 50 U.S. TV Markets, ranked by number of households…
    http://www.tvb.org/r...

    Haven’t studied it, just found it. Current as of September, 2009.

    —Ricko

  • TheThirdGonzalez | September 24, 2009 at 4:34 pm |

    In regard to the ESPN column, Edgar Gonzalez of the Padres was also wearing the S100 but quit since it didn’t fit right.

  • Teebz | September 24, 2009 at 4:39 pm |

    [quote comment="349836"]
    I’d be interested to see what the ESPN ratings are for the market. We know they don’t go to games, but do they watch them on television?[/quote]

    If you’re not going to see them live, you’re not watching them on TV either.

    Phoenix was reportedly 29th in TV ratings last season in their own backyard, only barely beating out the Islanders.

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 4:41 pm |

    Sorry, all 210 markets.

    Jacksonville is #47.
    Go figure.

    Combined, Green Bay and Milwaukee would rank around #21.

    Interesting to not how many quite large markets there are not home to big-time franchises…but likely are included in the viewing area for others teams (Sacramento, for example).

    —Ricko

  • Teebz | September 24, 2009 at 4:41 pm |

    [quote comment="349836"]
    And yet the Coyotes still lose tens of millions of dollars every single year. Year in, year out.

    I’d be interested to see what the ESPN ratings are for the market. We know they don’t go to games, but do they watch them on television?[/quote]

    They don’t have fans who go to the games (29th in paid attendance), they don’t have a national TV contract (less dollars to make up the difference), they have arguably one of the worst local TV contracts because no one cares about the team, they are still required to ice a team for $41 million minimum, and they still have to staff the building with the expectation that 17,000 people will show up.

    This is why they lose truckloads of money every season.

  • Teebz | September 24, 2009 at 4:47 pm |

    [quote comment="349841"][quote comment="349836"]
    And yet the Coyotes still lose tens of millions of dollars every single year. Year in, year out.

    I’d be interested to see what the ESPN ratings are for the market. We know they don’t go to games, but do they watch them on television?[/quote]

    They don’t have fans who go to the games (29th in paid attendance), they don’t have a national TV contract (less dollars to make up the difference), they have arguably one of the worst local TV contracts because no one cares about the team, they are still required to ice a team for $41 million minimum, and they still have to staff the building with the expectation that 17,000 people will show up.

    This is why they lose truckloads of money every season.[/quote]

    I’ll qualify that as “a few of the major reasons why they lose truckloads of money every season”.

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 4:49 pm |

    [quote comment="349840"]Sorry, all 210 markets.

    Jacksonville is #47.
    Go figure.

    Combined, Green Bay and Milwaukee would rank around #21.

    Interesting to not how many quite large markets there are not home to big-time franchises…but likely are included in the viewing area for others teams (Sacramento, for example).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    http://www.tvb.org/r...

    New Orleans and Buffalo are smallest NFL TV markets (51st and 52nd), not counting Green Bay. But Saints, of course, are a state team attracting viewers from Mississippi as well. And Bills would include Toronto and other upstate NY communities.

    Orlando, Sacramento and Portland conspicuously high. Lotta overlap, I suppose.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 4:54 pm |

    [quote comment="349841"][quote comment="349836"]
    And yet the Coyotes still lose tens of millions of dollars every single year. Year in, year out.

    I’d be interested to see what the ESPN ratings are for the market. We know they don’t go to games, but do they watch them on television?[/quote]

    They don’t have fans who go to the games (29th in paid attendance), they don’t have a national TV contract (less dollars to make up the difference), they have arguably one of the worst local TV contracts because no one cares about the team, they are still required to ice a team for $41 million minimum, and they still have to staff the building with the expectation that 17,000 people will show up.

    This is why they lose truckloads of money every season.[/quote]

    Bottom line overall problem? NHL too often pays salaries on par with leagues that have massive national US TV contracts…when they don’t have one.

    An 8th grade bookeeping class could figure they’re on the road to destroying themselves.

    A little like not paying your taxes and figuring one of these years you’ll win the Powerball and catch up.

    —Ricko

  • chance michaels | September 24, 2009 at 4:57 pm |

    [quote comment="349839"][quote comment="349836"]
    I’d be interested to see what the ESPN ratings are for the market. We know they don’t go to games, but do they watch them on television?[/quote]

    If you’re not going to see them live, you’re not watching them on TV either.

    Phoenix was reportedly 29th in TV ratings last season in their own backyard, only barely beating out the Islanders.[/quote]
    If the Phoenix market doesn’t watch hockey games, then I can’t see the Coyotes moving having much of an impact on the next ESPN contract. ESPN doesn’t collect markets, they want ratings.

  • Teebz | September 24, 2009 at 4:59 pm |

    [quote comment="349844"][quote comment="349841"][quote comment="349836"]
    And yet the Coyotes still lose tens of millions of dollars every single year. Year in, year out.

    I’d be interested to see what the ESPN ratings are for the market. We know they don’t go to games, but do they watch them on television?[/quote]

    They don’t have fans who go to the games (29th in paid attendance), they don’t have a national TV contract (less dollars to make up the difference), they have arguably one of the worst local TV contracts because no one cares about the team, they are still required to ice a team for $41 million minimum, and they still have to staff the building with the expectation that 17,000 people will show up.

    This is why they lose truckloads of money every season.[/quote]

    Bottom line overall problem? NHL too often pays salaries on par with leagues that have massive national US TV contracts…when they don’t have one.

    An 8th grade bookeeping class could figure they’re on the road to destroying themselves.

    A little like not paying your taxes and figuring one of these years you’ll win the Powerball and catch up.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The salary cap is entirely based off the league’s revenue. It has nothing to do with matching anyone else. If you want someone to blame, aim your guns at the six Canadian teams, NYC, Detroit, San Jose, Boston, and Chicago. Those teams drove the revenue way up by (a) being good teams again and (b) rekindling their fans’ interests in the team.

    Since the American teams, Toronto, and Montreal have large populations, it makes sense that the league’s revenue would increase, thereby increasing the salary cap.

  • Hott Rodd | September 24, 2009 at 5:00 pm |

    [quote comment="349845"][quote comment="349839"][quote comment="349836"]
    I’d be interested to see what the ESPN ratings are for the market. We know they don’t go to games, but do they watch them on television?[/quote]

    If you’re not going to see them live, you’re not watching them on TV either.

    Phoenix was reportedly 29th in TV ratings last season in their own backyard, only barely beating out the Islanders.[/quote]
    If the Phoenix market doesn’t watch hockey games, then I can’t see the Coyotes moving having much of an impact on the next ESPN contract. ESPN doesn’t collect markets, they want ratings.[/quote]

    I’m no expert, but I’d think that the contingent of people that live out here that are originally from Chicago, Detroit, Wisconsin, Back East etc, would bump the #s, because those people wouldn’t necessarily be watching the Coyotes.

  • Hott Rodd | September 24, 2009 at 5:03 pm |

    uni related from mike florio:

    “The (Chargers’)next home game is a Monday night affair against the Broncos, on October 19. It will be one of the AFL ‘Legacy Games,’ featuring both teams in throwback uniforms, and officials in ugly orange duds that should be known as ‘throwup uniforms.’”

  • Teebz | September 24, 2009 at 5:04 pm |

    [quote comment="349845"][quote comment="349839"][quote comment="349836"]
    I’d be interested to see what the ESPN ratings are for the market. We know they don’t go to games, but do they watch them on television?[/quote]

    If you’re not going to see them live, you’re not watching them on TV either.

    Phoenix was reportedly 29th in TV ratings last season in their own backyard, only barely beating out the Islanders.[/quote]
    If the Phoenix market doesn’t watch hockey games, then I can’t see the Coyotes moving having much of an impact on the next ESPN contract. ESPN doesn’t collect markets, they want ratings.[/quote]

    No, ESPN only cares about market size. Because if it’s on ESPN, someone will watch it. They know it, and they’re willing to hedge their bets on it. Which is why the NHL, in the long-term, wants back on ESPN.

    Do you really think poker could outdraw the NHL if both were given the same timeslot on ESPN? Do you think there are more sports fans who would rather watch the Westminster Dog Show than live hockey?

    I’m not debating whether poker and dog shows fall under the category of “sport”. That’s an entirely different hill of beans. But the fact that those two “sports” can outdraw hockey because they’re on ESPN says a whole heckuva lot.

  • JTH | September 24, 2009 at 5:04 pm |

    [quote comment="349843"][quote comment="349840"]Sorry, all 210 markets.

    Jacksonville is #47.
    Go figure.

    Combined, Green Bay and Milwaukee would rank around #21.

    Interesting to not how many quite large markets there are not home to big-time franchises…but likely are included in the viewing area for others teams (Sacramento, for example).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    http://www.tvb.org/r...

    New Orleans and Buffalo are smallest NFL TV markets (51st and 52nd), not counting Green Bay. But Saints, of course, are a state team attracting viewers from Mississippi as well. And Bills would include Toronto and other upstate NY communities.

    Orlando, Sacramento and Portland conspicuously high. Lotta overlap, I suppose.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Well, Orlando, Sacramento and Portland do have NBA teams.

  • chance michaels | September 24, 2009 at 5:05 pm |

    [quote comment="349847"][quote comment="349845"][quote comment="349839"][quote comment="349836"]
    I’d be interested to see what the ESPN ratings are for the market. We know they don’t go to games, but do they watch them on television?[/quote]

    If you’re not going to see them live, you’re not watching them on TV either.

    Phoenix was reportedly 29th in TV ratings last season in their own backyard, only barely beating out the Islanders.[/quote]
    If the Phoenix market doesn’t watch hockey games, then I can’t see the Coyotes moving having much of an impact on the next ESPN contract. ESPN doesn’t collect markets, they want ratings.[/quote]

    I’m no expert, but I’d think that the contingent of people that live out here that are originally from Chicago, Detroit, Wisconsin, Back East etc, would bump the #s, because those people wouldn’t necessarily be watching the Coyotes.[/quote]
    Then they’ll still watch even after the Coyotes move. Still no problem with the ESPN contract.

  • Jeff P | September 24, 2009 at 5:07 pm |

    [quote comment="349836"][quote comment="349835"][quote comment="349832"][quote comment="349828"][quote comment="349821"]What people fail to realize is that the NHL needs Phoenix in the same way that the NFL, the NBA, and MLB need Phoenix.[/quote]

    The NHL certainly wants Phoenix much more than Phoenix wants the NHL….[/quote]

    If you want ESPN, you need Phoenix. Check the Top 50 cities in the US for population as of 2007. No ESPN = no TV deal.

    ESPN deals in market size, not in fan viewership. They care about the advertising dollars, and the more people that watch = the more dollars they can charge.[/quote]

    And to back teebz point, i’ll add that that chart does not show total population of the market, because the surrounding area is pushed to more than 3 mil when you add in Tempe, mesa, glendale, chandler, scottsdale, etc.[/quote]
    And yet the Coyotes still lose tens of millions of dollars every single year. Year in, year out.

    I’d be interested to see what the ESPN ratings are for the market. We know they don’t go to games, but do they watch them on television?[/quote]
    Except they don’t. A huge portion of those losses were due to Jerry Moyes flat out taking money from the team and funneling it into his businesses.

    Th real losses are much less severe, but they were still loosing money. But the 30 million figure you hear is utter bullshit.

    My take is that the NHL could have worked in Phoenix. However, with the utter mismanagement and flat out bad decisions, it’s doomed. The arena location is the end of the team- it’s just bad, and there’s no way to get out without moving the team.

    Basically, blame Moyes.

  • DenverGregg | September 24, 2009 at 5:08 pm |

    Phoenix isn’t as big as Houston. NHL has never give Houston so much as a sniff, so what’s the big deal about pulling out of Phoenix?

  • chance michaels | September 24, 2009 at 5:12 pm |

    [quote comment="349852"][quote comment="349836"][quote comment="349835"][quote comment="349832"][quote comment="349828"][quote comment="349821"]What people fail to realize is that the NHL needs Phoenix in the same way that the NFL, the NBA, and MLB need Phoenix.[/quote]

    The NHL certainly wants Phoenix much more than Phoenix wants the NHL….[/quote]

    If you want ESPN, you need Phoenix. Check the Top 50 cities in the US for population as of 2007. No ESPN = no TV deal.

    ESPN deals in market size, not in fan viewership. They care about the advertising dollars, and the more people that watch = the more dollars they can charge.[/quote]

    And to back teebz point, i’ll add that that chart does not show total population of the market, because the surrounding area is pushed to more than 3 mil when you add in Tempe, mesa, glendale, chandler, scottsdale, etc.[/quote]
    And yet the Coyotes still lose tens of millions of dollars every single year. Year in, year out.

    I’d be interested to see what the ESPN ratings are for the market. We know they don’t go to games, but do they watch them on television?[/quote]
    Except they don’t. A huge portion of those losses were due to Jerry Moyes flat out taking money from the team and funneling it into his businesses.

    Th real losses are much less severe, but they were still loosing money. But the 30 million figure you hear is utter bullshit.

    My take is that the NHL could have worked in Phoenix. However, with the utter mismanagement and flat out bad decisions, it’s doomed. The arena location is the end of the team- it’s just bad, and there’s no way to get out without moving the team.

    Basically, blame Moyes.[/quote]
    I’ll have to take your word for his skimming. But without attendance figures for the first couple years, I don’t see a whole lot of indication that the market could ever have worked.

  • super390 | September 24, 2009 at 5:15 pm |

    Move the Coyotes to Houston (largest city & TV market w/o NHL), and then all you Rockets logo-bashers can send in all the logos you want for a Houston hockey team.

    Everyone’s happy.

  • chance michaels | September 24, 2009 at 5:16 pm |

    Thinking about it, if it’s true that Moyes was funneling cash from the Coyotes to his other businesses for over a decade, then it’s yet another indictment of the NHL’s senior management.

    I’m back to blaming the League. Either they put a team in a market that didn’t want a team and allowed it to flounder or they continued to let a crook screw up a great market. Either way it’s hardly a great reflection on their stewardship.

  • Teebz | September 24, 2009 at 5:31 pm |

    [quote comment="349853"]Phoenix isn’t as big as Houston. NHL has never give Houston so much as a sniff, so what’s the big deal about pulling out of Phoenix?[/quote]

    They did give Houston a sniff, but it was a while back.

    Your city had an NHL-suitable rink in the 1970s or 1980s when expansion was literally a curse word. The WHA Aeros played in a little 15,000-seat arena, but the NHL had rapidly expanded to 21 teams, and wanted nothing to do with expansion.

    The heat also posed a problem because the air conditioning and ice-making technology in the mid-1970s wasn’t very good for maintaining ice in hot weather.

    With the opening of the Toyota Center in 2003, there’s a chance they could look at Houston again, but I’m not sure the NHL wants two teams in Texas, especially with all the market area chatter in the Phoenix case.

    All in all, the timing was bad for Houston, and Tom Hicks’ moving the North Stars to Dallas really killed any hope for a team.

  • Teebz | September 24, 2009 at 5:34 pm |

    [quote comment="349854"]
    I’ll have to take your word for his skimming. But without attendance figures for the first couple years, I don’t see a whole lot of indication that the market could ever have worked.[/quote]

    Moyes was stable when he bought the franchise. What did him in was the recession. When the dollars stopped flowing to his trucking business, it was taking from one hand and giving to the other to keep both companies afloat.

    The NHL’s due diligence is not in question here as he was financially sound when he bought the team.

  • Matt | September 24, 2009 at 5:49 pm |

    The new alternate Rockets jersey is the perfect blend of past and present — and I agree the gold needs to make a comeback because the silver is barely relevant as one of their colors (it’s hard to tell it’s there if you watch on TV).

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 6:56 pm |

    [quote comment="349850"][quote comment="349843"][quote comment="349840"]Sorry, all 210 markets.

    Jacksonville is #47.
    Go figure.

    Combined, Green Bay and Milwaukee would rank around #21.

    Interesting to not how many quite large markets there are not home to big-time franchises…but likely are included in the viewing area for others teams (Sacramento, for example).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    http://www.tvb.org/r...

    New Orleans and Buffalo are smallest NFL TV markets (51st and 52nd), not counting Green Bay. But Saints, of course, are a state team attracting viewers from Mississippi as well. And Bills would include Toronto and other upstate NY communities.

    Orlando, Sacramento and Portland conspicuously high. Lotta overlap, I suppose.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Well, Orlando, Sacramento and Portland do have NBA teams.[/quote]

    Indeed. I had the “NFL Filter” on when I was looking at the markets, thinking again that there really aren’t many places left for teams to find new homes, or the league to scrounge up expansion fees.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 7:08 pm |

    Okay, I’ll sound like the mornon here.
    Is the NHL even ON espn?
    Doesn’t the NHL deal with Versus run for a couple more seasons?
    Didn’t espn bow out in ’05 partially because of the TV ratings history?
    Are they suddenly interested again. Hard to believe. They can air poker for a lot less money up front…and probably net more than they would on the NHL (that’s more a question than a statement of fact, btw).

    —Ricko

  • Gusto44 | September 24, 2009 at 7:08 pm |

    [quote comment="349857"][quote comment="349853"]Phoenix isn’t as big as Houston. NHL has never give Houston so much as a sniff, so what’s the big deal about pulling out of Phoenix?[/quote]

    They did give Houston a sniff, but it was a while back.

    Your city had an NHL-suitable rink in the 1970s or 1980s when expansion was literally a curse word. The WHA Aeros played in a little 15,000-seat arena, but the NHL had rapidly expanded to 21 teams, and wanted nothing to do with expansion.

    The heat also posed a problem because the air conditioning and ice-making technology in the mid-1970s wasn’t very good for maintaining ice in hot weather.

    With the opening of the Toyota Center in 2003, there’s a chance they could look at Houston again, but I’m not sure the NHL wants two teams in Texas, especially with all the market area chatter in the Phoenix case.

    All in all, the timing was bad for Houston, and Tom Hicks’ moving the North Stars to Dallas really killed any hope for a team.[/quote]

    Speaking of the Dallas Stars, does anyone agree with me that the NHL should have required the North Stars name and history be left in Minnesota? I always thought the nickname Stars was lame compared to North Stars, and the uniform and logo was not as good, either. Dallas should have adopted another, more original, nickname.
    Had this happened, the newer Minnesota expansion franchise, could have been christened the North Stars, and it would have been a better result all around.
    Lastly, if the Coyotes are relocated to Kansas City, they should be called the Blades, and if they are moved to Las Vegas, Wildcards would be a great name.

  • leon | September 24, 2009 at 7:14 pm |

    Anything that would have prevented “Wild”.

  • LI Phil | September 24, 2009 at 7:23 pm |

    [quote]Speaking of the Dallas Stars, does anyone agree with me that the NHL should have required the North Stars name and history be left in Minnesota? I always thought the nickname Stars was lame compared to North Stars, and the uniform and logo was not as good, either. Dallas should have adopted another, more original, nickname.[/quote]

    im pretty sure (no time to check now) the stars were to have been called…wait for it…the

    LONE stars (yes, plural) upon their arrival in dallas

    obviously saner heads prevailed, giving us the much more satisfactory “stars”

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 7:28 pm |

    [quote comment="349862"][quote comment="349857"][quote comment="349853"]Phoenix isn’t as big as Houston. NHL has never give Houston so much as a sniff, so what’s the big deal about pulling out of Phoenix?[/quote]

    They did give Houston a sniff, but it was a while back.

    Your city had an NHL-suitable rink in the 1970s or 1980s when expansion was literally a curse word. The WHA Aeros played in a little 15,000-seat arena, but the NHL had rapidly expanded to 21 teams, and wanted nothing to do with expansion.

    The heat also posed a problem because the air conditioning and ice-making technology in the mid-1970s wasn’t very good for maintaining ice in hot weather.

    With the opening of the Toyota Center in 2003, there’s a chance they could look at Houston again, but I’m not sure the NHL wants two teams in Texas, especially with all the market area chatter in the Phoenix case.

    All in all, the timing was bad for Houston, and Tom Hicks’ moving the North Stars to Dallas really killed any hope for a team.[/quote]

    Speaking of the Dallas Stars, does anyone agree with me that the NHL should have required the North Stars name and history be left in Minnesota? I always thought the nickname Stars was lame compared to North Stars, and the uniform and logo was not as good, either. Dallas should have adopted another, more original, nickname.
    Had this happened, the newer Minnesota expansion franchise, could have been christened the North Stars, and it would have been a better result all around.
    Lastly, if the Coyotes are relocated to Kansas City, they should be called the Blades, and if they are moved to Las Vegas, Wildcards would be a great name.[/quote]

    Once again, leagues can’t do that. Trademarks, etc., belong to individual franchises—which are independent corporations—not to cities or leagues. The Browns situation was most decidedly the exception to the rule, and unfortunately skewed everyone’s thinking, it seems. Really hardly worth thinking that it would ever happen again, not without some serious coin changing hands. And that’s unlikely. For example, who would—and why would—anyone in their right mind buy “Vikings” material from the Wilfs if the team were to leave town? The break-even point would be so high, they might as well take the money outside and light it on fire.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 7:47 pm |

    Just for fun, let’s think about teams that have been staples of Thursday night college football.

    South Carolins (hey, keeps Spurrier on nat’l TV)
    Rutgers
    Louisville
    Colorado State
    Fresno State

    Any more?

    —Ricko

  • LennyT | September 24, 2009 at 7:48 pm |

    Western Ontario University football has an advertisement on their unis. Check it out.

    http://www.westernmu...

  • Matt | September 24, 2009 at 7:49 pm |

    I need assistance from everybody here. I’m teaching a unit on photoshop in 2 weeks, and I wanted to use this picture from SI yesterday as the colorization demo:
    Otto Graham Pic from 1954
    Coloring Otto was easy, as some quick research said that the Brownd did have an orange alt. jersey for night games (hence the white ball) in 1954. Buy I have 2 problems before I bring this before a class. First, I can’t place the team that the Browns are playing. Second, the guy behind Otto looks like he has a white outline in the numbers on his jersey – so what team is he on?

  • Gusto44 | September 24, 2009 at 8:01 pm |

    [quote comment="349866"]Just for fun, let’s think about teams that have been staples of Thursday night college football.

    South Carolins (hey, keeps Spurrier on nat’l TV)
    Rutgers
    Louisville
    Colorado State
    Fresno State

    Any more?

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Watching South Carolina tonight makes one recall the superior uniforms and helmet when Joe Morrison coached the Gamecocks. The red helmet really made the Gamecock logo “pop”, and the bold black and red striping pattern on the sleeves and pants were sharp. This was during the 1980s, during the Sterling Sharpe era. If not for a career ending neck injury, Sharpe would have been a hall of famer.

  • George Ciervo | September 24, 2009 at 8:01 pm |

    I’m not convinced ESPN would really care that much about if Phoenix had a team or not. How many times were the D’backs even on ESPN this year? They seem more interested in teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Cubs, Mets (maybe the NHL needs teams like the Bruins, Blackhawks, Islanders to be strong).

    Vacating a market didn’t really concern the NBA either – see Seattle (I don’t see Sonics fans becoming Blazers converts). I mean really…Oklahoma City?

  • LI Phil | September 24, 2009 at 8:02 pm |

    [quote comment="349868"]I need assistance from everybody here. I’m teaching a unit on photoshop in 2 weeks, and I wanted to use this picture from SI yesterday as the colorization demo:
    Otto Graham Pic from 1954
    Coloring Otto was easy, as some quick research said that the Brownd did have an orange alt. jersey for night games (hence the white ball) in 1954. Buy I have 2 problems before I bring this before a class. First, I can’t place the team that the Browns are playing. Second, the guy behind Otto looks like he has a white outline in the numbers on his jersey – so what team is he on?[/quote]

    did you try the ap photo archive? may have to register, but worth a shot

  • BuckeyeMark | September 24, 2009 at 8:03 pm |

    Steve Spurrier has a very large patch on his left sleeve in tonight’s game. big lime green football. anybody know what it is for?

  • leon | September 24, 2009 at 8:24 pm |

    Va Tech used to be on thurs quite a bit, maybe not so much lately.

  • anotherguy | September 24, 2009 at 8:33 pm |

    [quote comment="349864"]Speaking of the Dallas Stars, does anyone agree with me that the NHL should have required the North Stars name and history be left in Minnesota? [/quote]

    Count me as one in agreement on this (as well as most other move/nickname situations).

  • Matt | September 24, 2009 at 8:34 pm |

    Phil,
    Thanks for the guidance. It’s the Lions. Blue & silver, her I come.

  • anotherguy | September 24, 2009 at 8:34 pm |

    [quote comment="349872"]Steve Spurrier has a very large patch on his left sleeve in tonight’s game. big lime green football. anybody know what it is for?[/quote]
    His rampant ego burst out of his body again and he wanted to contain it…

  • anotherguy | September 24, 2009 at 8:36 pm |

    [quote comment="349866"]

    South Carolins (hey, keeps Spurrier on nat’l TV)
    Rutgers
    Louisville
    Colorado State
    Fresno State
    [/quote]
    Any other WAC or Mountain West teams?

    Thursday night seemed to be the original “sell your soul for TV coverage” night.

  • Tall Paul | September 24, 2009 at 8:36 pm |

    [quote comment="349871"][quote comment="349868"]I need assistance from everybody here. I’m teaching a unit on photoshop in 2 weeks, and I wanted to use this picture from SI yesterday as the colorization demo:
    Otto Graham Pic from 1954
    Coloring Otto was easy, as some quick research said that the Brownd did have an orange alt. jersey for night games (hence the white ball) in 1954. Buy I have 2 problems before I bring this before a class. First, I can’t place the team that the Browns are playing. Second, the guy behind Otto looks like he has a white outline in the numbers on his jersey – so what team is he on?[/quote]

    did you try the ap photo archive? may have to register, but worth a shot[/quote]

    This link states that it’s the Detroit Lions he’s playing against. http://www.lubbockon... I would guess that the “white outline” on the jersey in question is either exactly that and is a by-product of playing in an era where jerseys and fonts didn’t always exactly match or is just a result of the angle from which the pic was taken along with the thickness of the fabric used for the numbers and the black and white photo composition. I think the player in question plays for the Lions based on the sleeve striping or lack thereof.

  • LI Phil | September 24, 2009 at 8:39 pm |

    [quote comment="349875"]Phil,
    Thanks for the guidance. It’s the Lions. Blue & silver, her I come.[/quote]

    welcome…can you post that pic once you colorize it?

    i, for one, would love to see what ya did (and if you’re interested in a small project i have colorizing b&w photos, gimme a shout

    cheers!

  • Gusto44 | September 24, 2009 at 8:39 pm |

    Does anybody remember when Ole Miss used to have the confederate flag on the helmet instead of the script “Ole Miss”? I bet Ricko knows.

  • anotherguy | September 24, 2009 at 8:40 pm |

    [quote comment="349865"]Once again, leagues can’t do that. Trademarks, etc., belong to individual franchises—which are independent corporations—not to cities or leagues. The Browns situation was most decidedly the exception to the rule, and unfortunately skewed everyone’s thinking, it seems. Really hardly worth thinking that it would ever happen again, not without some serious coin changing hands. And that’s unlikely. For example, who would—and why would—anyone in their right mind buy “Vikings” material from the Wilfs if the team were to leave town? The break-even point would be so high, they might as well take the money outside and light it on fire.
    [/quote]Ricko, you can’t just up and change your nickname without the consent of your partners, correct? We couldn’t wake up tomorrow and find that the Twins have suddenly become the Triplets without a league meeting AFAIK. IMHO, this is the same situation.

    Serious coin changing hands (IMHO) implies a bidding war. My preferred solution? All nicknames are transferred to NFL Properties (or the appropriate league).

    Is the price of the Red Sox going to go down if they can’t be the Las Vegas Red Sox? IMHO, no.

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 8:42 pm |

    [quote comment="349878"][quote comment="349871"][quote comment="349868"]I need assistance from everybody here. I’m teaching a unit on photoshop in 2 weeks, and I wanted to use this picture from SI yesterday as the colorization demo:
    Otto Graham Pic from 1954
    Coloring Otto was easy, as some quick research said that the Brownd did have an orange alt. jersey for night games (hence the white ball) in 1954. Buy I have 2 problems before I bring this before a class. First, I can’t place the team that the Browns are playing. Second, the guy behind Otto looks like he has a white outline in the numbers on his jersey – so what team is he on?[/quote]

    did you try the ap photo archive? may have to register, but worth a shot[/quote]

    This link states that it’s the Detroit Lions he’s playing against. http://www.lubbockon... I would guess that the “white outline” on the jersey in question is either exactly that and is a by-product of playing in an era where jerseys and fonts didn’t always exactly match or is just a result of the angle from which the pic was taken along with the thickness of the fabric used for the numbers and the black and white photo composition. I think the player in question plays for the Lions based on the sleeve striping or lack thereof.[/quote]

    I think it’s just a highlight on the edge of the thick hemmed edge of the heavy tackle twill numbers back then. Especially cuz is a night game. Quite common in photos of night games from that era.

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | September 24, 2009 at 8:47 pm |

    [quote comment="349833"]Despite the fact that there is no longer an NFL team that calls it home, the NFL (and football in general) is still well-established in the LA market. Lots of people are still tuning in to watch the teams you mentioned. Plus there are the transplants who still follow the teams they grew up with.[/quote]
    The NFL has gotten along quite well with zero teams in LA: which leads me to believe that it will be the “bluff” move for quite a while into the future.

    “Give me my new stadium or I’ll move to LA…”

    Does the pickup in potential TV revenue from moving to LA offset the loss in TV revenue from the abandoned market? I think in a lot of cases, the answer is no. (JMHO, but I think the same rationale goes for San Antonio.)

  • Kerry P | September 24, 2009 at 8:47 pm |

    [quote comment="349880"]Does anybody remember when Ole Miss used to have the confederate flag on the helmet instead of the script “Ole Miss”? I bet Ricko knows.[/quote]
    Ummmm, I don’t think that ever happenned

  • Gusto44 | September 24, 2009 at 8:54 pm |

    [quote comment="349883"][quote comment="349880"]Does anybody remember when Ole Miss used to have the confederate flag on the helmet instead of the script “Ole Miss”? I bet Ricko knows.[/quote]
    Ummmm, I don’t think that ever happenned[/quote]

    You know, I think I’m referring to a smaller decal, much like those small tomahawks given to Florida State players. I did see confederate flags on Mississippi helmets in a photograph back in the day.

  • LI Phil | September 24, 2009 at 8:58 pm |

    [quote comment="349883"][quote comment="349880"]Does anybody remember when Ole Miss used to have the confederate flag on the helmet instead of the script “Ole Miss”? I bet Ricko knows.[/quote]
    Ummmm, I don’t think that ever happenned[/quote]

    hotty toddy…gosh almighty

    im pretty sure they never had the stars and bars on the helmets, but they did have colonel reb — here’s another view

    think they banned him from the games a few year ago…and im pretty sure they don’t ride around with the rebel flag on a horsey to open games anymore either

    might have had to do with recruiting troubles or something

  • Kerry P | September 24, 2009 at 9:01 pm |

    [quote comment="349886"][quote comment="349883"][quote comment="349880"]Does anybody remember when Ole Miss used to have the confederate flag on the helmet instead of the script “Ole Miss”? I bet Ricko knows.[/quote]
    Ummmm, I don’t think that ever happenned[/quote]

    hotty toddy…gosh almighty

    im pretty sure they never had the stars and bars on the helmets, but they did have colonel reb — here’s another view

    think they banned him from the games a few year ago…and im pretty sure they don’t ride around with the rebel flag on a horsey to open games anymore either

    might have had to do with recruiting troubles or something[/quote]
    Actually, I don’t think this actually caused recruiting problems…the coaches they had were the problems. It was more of a political correctness move.

  • Tall Paul | September 24, 2009 at 9:03 pm |

    [quote comment="349886"][quote comment="349883"][quote comment="349880"]Does anybody remember when Ole Miss used to have the confederate flag on the helmet instead of the script “Ole Miss”? I bet Ricko knows.[/quote]
    Ummmm, I don’t think that ever happenned[/quote]

    hotty toddy…gosh almighty

    im pretty sure they never had the stars and bars on the helmets, but they did have colonel reb — here’s another view

    think they banned him from the games a few year ago…and im pretty sure they don’t ride around with the rebel flag on a horsey to open games anymore either

    might have had to do with recruiting troubles or something[/quote]

    That same site has this description about Florida having the Coonfederate Flag on the sides of their helmets for at least 1 game and also has a grainy pic of it, too:

    During the very early 1960s, white helmets were used; each of these had a single stripe of some unknown color (I think probably orange) and numerals on the sides that were also of a color that I cannot yet identify (but I would guess that they were probably blue). By some point during the 1962 season, the numerals were apparently moved to the fronts of the helmets and replaced on the sides by “Confederate Battle Flag” logos, which were apparently used for only a short time – perhaps only a single game, according to this information I received from site visitor Bill C.:”In 1962, Florida put the Confederate Battle Flag on the side of their helmet for one game. That game was the Gator Bowl game with Penn State. Florida was 6-4 and Penn State was 9-1 and Penn State felt that playing Florida was a slap in the face since they were 9-1. Since Penn State felt that way Florida put Battle Flags on the side of the helmet to pump the team up. It worked when Florida won 17-7.” Below is a photo of this helmet:

  • Tall Paul | September 24, 2009 at 9:04 pm |

    [quote comment="349888"][quote comment="349886"][quote comment="349883"][quote comment="349880"]Does anybody remember when Ole Miss used to have the confederate flag on the helmet instead of the script “Ole Miss”? I bet Ricko knows.[/quote]
    Ummmm, I don’t think that ever happenned[/quote]

    hotty toddy…gosh almighty

    im pretty sure they never had the stars and bars on the helmets, but they did have colonel reb — here’s another view

    think they banned him from the games a few year ago…and im pretty sure they don’t ride around with the rebel flag on a horsey to open games anymore either

    might have had to do with recruiting troubles or something[/quote]

    That same site has this description about Florida having the Confederate Flag on the sides of their helmets for at least 1 game and also has a grainy pic of it, too:

    During the very early 1960s, white helmets were used; each of these had a single stripe of some unknown color (I think probably orange) and numerals on the sides that were also of a color that I cannot yet identify (but I would guess that they were probably blue). By some point during the 1962 season, the numerals were apparently moved to the fronts of the helmets and replaced on the sides by “Confederate Battle Flag” logos, which were apparently used for only a short time – perhaps only a single game, according to this information I received from site visitor Bill C.:”In 1962, Florida put the Confederate Battle Flag on the side of their helmet for one game. That game was the Gator Bowl game with Penn State. Florida was 6-4 and Penn State was 9-1 and Penn State felt that playing Florida was a slap in the face since they were 9-1. Since Penn State felt that way Florida put Battle Flags on the side of the helmet to pump the team up. It worked when Florida won 17-7.” Below is a photo of this helmet:[/quote]

    (Fixed an unfortunate typo.)

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 9:08 pm |

    “All nicknames are transferred to NFL Properties (or the appropriate league).”

    You’re dreaming. Think Jerry Jones is going to, under any circumstances, surrender anything “Cowboys”? Sure, he cedes a certain amount of control over usage to the NFL because it earns him more, and saves him the cost of policing it himself. But outright ownership, never.

    Bidding war? Why would there be a bidding war? There’s only one group to whom an old name is worth any real money: a subsequent team. Say if the Houston Texans’ owners had wanted to buy “Oilers” from Bud Adams. That’s the money event I was talking about.

    What would anyone else want with ownership of “Minnesota Vikings” material if the team became the “Los Angeles Stars” or something?

    Demand for Vikings gear, etc., quickly would drop like a rock, certainly not making it worth producing anything new, and the new stuff would be the new owners’ only cource of revenue. It’s the only thing they’d own. Would be almost impossible to make money, let alone break even on the deal.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 9:14 pm |

    [quote comment="349887"][quote comment="349886"][quote comment="349883"][quote comment="349880"]Does anybody remember when Ole Miss used to have the confederate flag on the helmet instead of the script “Ole Miss”? I bet Ricko knows.[/quote]
    Ummmm, I don’t think that ever happenned[/quote]

    hotty toddy…gosh almighty

    im pretty sure they never had the stars and bars on the helmets, but they did have colonel reb — here’s another view

    think they banned him from the games a few year ago…and im pretty sure they don’t ride around with the rebel flag on a horsey to open games anymore either

    might have had to do with recruiting troubles or something[/quote]
    Actually, I don’t think this actually caused recruiting problems…the coaches they had were the problems. It was more of a political correctness move.[/quote]

    Sure it wasn’t Colonel Sanders who sued ‘em?

  • timmy b | September 24, 2009 at 9:14 pm |

    [quote comment="349882"][quote comment="349878"][quote comment="349871"][quote comment="349868"]I need assistance from everybody here. I’m teaching a unit on photoshop in 2 weeks, and I wanted to use this picture from SI yesterday as the colorization demo:
    Otto Graham Pic from 1954
    Coloring Otto was easy, as some quick research said that the Brownd did have an orange alt. jersey for night games (hence the white ball) in 1954. Buy I have 2 problems before I bring this before a class. First, I can’t place the team that the Browns are playing. Second, the guy behind Otto looks like he has a white outline in the numbers on his jersey – so what team is he on?[/quote]

    did you try the ap photo archive? may have to register, but worth a shot[/quote]

    This link states that it’s the Detroit Lions he’s playing against. http://www.lubbockon... I would guess that the “white outline” on the jersey in question is either exactly that and is a by-product of playing in an era where jerseys and fonts didn’t always exactly match or is just a result of the angle from which the pic was taken along with the thickness of the fabric used for the numbers and the black and white photo composition. I think the player in question plays for the Lions based on the sleeve striping or lack thereof.[/quote]

    I think it’s just a highlight on the edge of the thick hemmed edge of the heavy tackle twill numbers back then. Especially cuz is a night game. Quite common in photos of night games from that era.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    That photo, I have seen before, but was never able to pin down if it was a regular season game or not. Thanks for the preseason confirm on that.

    Big ? for me is if the Browns broke that orange jersey in a regular season game in the 50′s. I don’t think so.

    Note the Lions wearing their nighttime blue helmets in the pic.

  • LI Phil | September 24, 2009 at 9:16 pm |

    tall paul…what site is that?

    i just googled pics but didn’t go searchin on any of the sites from whence they came

    linkie?

  • LI Phil | September 24, 2009 at 9:23 pm |

    oh…nevermind…

    was the helmet site

    florida, 1962

  • Tall Paul | September 24, 2009 at 9:23 pm |

    [quote comment="349893"]tall paul…what site is that?

    i just googled pics but didn’t go searchin on any of the sites from whence they came

    linkie?[/quote]

    The Confederate Flag on the Florida helmets site is: http://www.nationalc... and scroll down to the Florida section.

  • Tall Paul | September 24, 2009 at 9:26 pm |

    [quote comment="349894"]oh…nevermind…

    was the helmet site

    florida, 1962[/quote]

    Clicking on your florida, 1962 link redirects to this: http://www.inside99....

    Try my linkie: http://www.nationalc... and scroll down to Florida.

  • LI Phil | September 24, 2009 at 9:26 pm |

    fine…you won’t let me hotlink?

    i’ll host it myself

    florida, 1962

  • Tall Paul | September 24, 2009 at 9:28 pm |

    [quote comment="349897"]fine…you won’t let me hotlink?

    i’ll host it myself

    florida, 1962[/quote]

    There you go…that’s it!

  • Chris | September 24, 2009 at 9:34 pm |

    Watching the game tonight makes me wonder why everyone had such a negative opinion of Oregon wearing grey last Saturday. Ole Miss is wearing grey pants…its not a school color. Georgia wears grey…its not a school color. So why is it so bad that Oregon did? Sure, white helmets, green jerseys, grey pants isn’t the best combination, but its not different than at other places that people don’t have problems with.

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 9:37 pm |

    [quote comment="349895"][quote comment="349893"]tall paul…what site is that?

    i just googled pics but didn’t go searchin on any of the sites from whence they came

    linkie?[/quote]

    The Confederate Flag on the Florida helmets site is: http://www.nationalc... and scroll down to the Florida section.[/quote]

    According to the index card color sketch I’m holding in my hand—which I made while watching the Gator Bowl on CBS Dec. 29, 1962—it’s an orange rectangle with the word “WIN” in royal blue condensed serif all caps. Certainly I would have watched dilegently for closeups and sideline shots, listened for broadcast team comments and checked newspaper photos the following day.

    Doesn’t mean it wasn’t a Conferate battle flag of some sort. But I evidently somehow determined it said “WIN”. And it wasn’t the Stars & Bars. I’d have recognized that in a heartbeat.

    Photo does look a little like maybe I could have gotten it right, though. But inconclusive, I suppose.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 9:43 pm |

    [quote comment="349899"]Watching the game tonight makes me wonder why everyone had such a negative opinion of Oregon wearing grey last Saturday. Ole Miss is wearing grey pants…its not a school color. Georgia wears grey…its not a school color. So why is it so bad that Oregon did? Sure, white helmets, green jerseys, grey pants isn’t the best combination, but its not different than at other places that people don’t have problems with.[/quote]

    The teams you mention wear Silver, which long ago became a sort of alternative to white (based on the longstanding white-gray baseball model, most likely).

    Oregon wears “Slug” (or something), definitely not Silver…or typical athletic gray, for that matter.

    That said, I liked the looked Saturday. Sort of a flashback to days of when most every team wore the same dull khaki/muslin pants…even if they did choose white helmets.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | September 24, 2009 at 9:44 pm |

    hey ricko…can you ID the approximate year on this?

    (was googling 1962 gator bowl) and that was on the second page of links

  • anotherguy | September 24, 2009 at 9:45 pm |

    [quote comment="349890"]You’re dreaming. Think Jerry Jones is going to, under any circumstances, surrender anything “Cowboys”? Sure, he cedes a certain amount of control over usage to the NFL because it earns him more, and saves him the cost of policing it himself. But outright ownership, never.[/quote]

    He doesn’t own much right now: he shares equally in profits and can’t suddenly start up “Cowboys Power Water” or something like that without the consent of the league office. OTOH, he would gain whatever he doesn’t own of 31 other rights.

    Again, when NFL Properties was started it was via a vote of the partners. IMHO if the partners wanted this to happen, then they could make it happen. Didn’t the Browns situation in Cleveland happen because a lot of the other owners saw a political disaster brewing?

    [quote comment="349890"]Bidding war? Why would there be a bidding war? There’s only one group to whom an old name is worth any real money: a subsequent team.[/quote] That’s exactly my point. Nobody is going to say “I’ll pay X for the franchise currently in Minnesota and 2X if you let me call it the San Antonio Vikings”. There is no bidding war because the nickname doesn’t move (in 99% of the cases). The abandoned nickname is relatively worthless to the new franchise owner, but (IMHO) valuable to the former city.[quote comment="349890"]Say if the Houston Texans’ owners had wanted to buy “Oilers” from Bud Adams. That’s the money event I was talking about.[/quote] Well, I wanted to avoid that; and also give back to Houston fans. A new owner could call their team the Oilers or the Texans. (And while nobody would HAVE to, perhaps the bidding process would include rival groups with differing prices based on different nicknames. It would depend on who thought “Oilers” was an asset and who thought it was a liablility.)

    [quote comment="349890"]What would anyone else want with ownership of “Minnesota Vikings” material if the team became the “Los Angeles Stars” or something?[/quote]
    Nobody would want Vikings gear, unless/until another team relocated to Minnesota. :-) At which time the NFL could offer them the option to go with “Vikings” again; which might encourage someone to go back to Minnesota.

  • anotherguy | September 24, 2009 at 9:48 pm |

    [quote comment="349902"]hey ricko…can you ID the approximate year on this?[/quote]
    AFAIK, 1951.

    http://www.zimbio.co...

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 9:56 pm |

    [quote comment="349903"][quote comment="349890"]You’re dreaming. Think Jerry Jones is going to, under any circumstances, surrender anything “Cowboys”? Sure, he cedes a certain amount of control over usage to the NFL because it earns him more, and saves him the cost of policing it himself. But outright ownership, never.[/quote]

    He doesn’t own much right now: he shares equally in profits and can’t suddenly start up “Cowboys Power Water” or something like that without the consent of the league office. OTOH, he would gain whatever he doesn’t own of 31 other rights.

    Again, when NFL Properties was started it was via a vote of the partners. IMHO if the partners wanted this to happen, then they could make it happen. Didn’t the Browns situation in Cleveland happen because a lot of the other owners saw a political disaster brewing?

    [quote comment="349890"]Bidding war? Why would there be a bidding war? There’s only one group to whom an old name is worth any real money: a subsequent team.[/quote] That’s exactly my point. Nobody is going to say “I’ll pay X for the franchise currently in Minnesota and 2X if you let me call it the San Antonio Vikings”. There is no bidding war because the nickname doesn’t move (in 99% of the cases). The abandoned nickname is relatively worthless to the new franchise owner, but (IMHO) valuable to the former city.[quote comment="349890"]Say if the Houston Texans’ owners had wanted to buy “Oilers” from Bud Adams. That’s the money event I was talking about.[/quote] Well, I wanted to avoid that; and also give back to Houston fans. A new owner could call their team the Oilers or the Texans. (And while nobody would HAVE to, perhaps the bidding process would include rival groups with differing prices based on different nicknames. It would depend on who thought “Oilers” was an asset and who thought it was a liablility.)

    [quote comment="349890"]What would anyone else want with ownership of “Minnesota Vikings” material if the team became the “Los Angeles Stars” or something?[/quote]
    Nobody would want Vikings gear, unless/until another team relocated to Minnesota. :-) At which time the NFL could offer them the option to go with “Vikings” again; which might encourage someone to go back to Minnesota.[/quote]

    But he still owns IT. And the Wilfs own “Minnesota Vikings.”

    Just today, I wrote a radio commercial for Jared Allen to read. He can say, “Hey, Vikings fans” or that he plays “defensive end in Minnesota”, but no one in the spot can say “Minnesota Vikings” cuz sponsore (a local ATV retailer) didn’t pay for that privilege.

    End of story.

    —Ricko

  • anotherguy | September 24, 2009 at 9:56 pm |

    [quote comment="349886"]
    …and im pretty sure they don’t ride around with the rebel flag on a horsey to open games anymore either
    [/quote]
    AFAIK, the horseback stuff never happened at Mississippi.

    The Confederate battle flag, yes. Hats and/or other items-yeah, there’s a good chance. But a horse coming out on the field? That rarely has happened in college football.

    BTW, interesting inspiration for the caricature of Col. Reb:

    http://en.wikipedia....

  • LI Phil | September 24, 2009 at 9:56 pm |

    [quote comment="349904"][quote comment="349902"]hey ricko…can you ID the approximate year on this?[/quote]
    AFAIK, 1951.

    http://www.zimbio.co...

    thank you

  • Craig W | September 24, 2009 at 10:02 pm |

    The NJ Nets are currently offering a 10 game ticket package when you will receive 5 reversible jerseys for every 2 tickets you buy.

  • anotherguy | September 24, 2009 at 10:03 pm |

    [quote comment="349905"]But he still owns IT. And the Wilfs own “Minnesota Vikings.”

    Just today, I wrote a radio commercial for Jared Allen to read. He can say, “Hey, Vikings fans” or that he plays “defensive end in Minnesota”, but no one in the spot can say “Minnesota Vikings” cuz sponsore (a local ATV retailer) didn’t pay for that privilege.

    End of story.
    [/quote]

    Hmm, usually I don’t hear “Bears”. We have quite a few that say “your 1985 Champions or “1985 heroes” or something like that. I’ll have to listen closer. I know they can’t say Chicago Bears, but I’ll have to listen to hear if they say Bears. The hilarious ones are the people who are promoing something with tickets for “the last game of the year in Miami in February” or something like that. Or the cheesy helmet/uni knockoffs in print.

    Who would that ATV company have to pay if they wanted to say “Minnesota Vikings”? Ziggy or Roger G?

    Who would sue the ATV company if they said “Minnesota Vikings”? Ziggy or the Rog?

    ;-)

  • anotherguy | September 24, 2009 at 10:06 pm |

    [quote comment="349908"]The NJ Nets are currently offering a 10 game ticket package when you will receive 5 reversible jerseys for every 2 tickets you buy.[/quote]
    What language are they in?

    :-)

  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 10:07 pm |

    The team, I believe. They’d sure be the first we’d hear from. They are entitled to make their own local deals, but I imagine they must be submitted to the league.

    You mention the Bears spots. I love the way advertisers now have to work around using “Super Bowl.”

  • LI Phil | September 24, 2009 at 10:08 pm |

    [quote comment="349907"] But a horse coming out on the field? That rarely has happened in college football.[/quote]

    waitwhat?

    no…that never happens in college football

    or did you forget the sarcasm tags?

  • Craig W | September 24, 2009 at 10:10 pm |
  • Ricko | September 24, 2009 at 10:12 pm |

    [quote comment="349912"][quote comment="349907"] But a horse coming out on the field? That rarely has happened in college football.[/quote]

    waitwhat?

    no…that never happens in college football

    or did you forget the sarcasm tags?[/quote]

    Hope that last link, which doesn’t work, is the Red Raider (who wears black?). My personal favorite, btw, like seeing Zorro come to life, LOL.

    —Ricko

  • Tall Paul | September 24, 2009 at 10:21 pm |

    [quote comment="349914"][quote comment="349912"][quote comment="349907"] But a horse coming out on the field? That rarely has happened in college football.[/quote]

    waitwhat?

    no…that never happens in college football

    or did you forget the sarcasm tags?[/quote]

    Hope that last link, which doesn’t work, is the Red Raider (who wears black?). My personal favorite, btw, like seeing Zorro come to life, LOL.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    College and Football are split (now) into two separate links in Phil’s post…the first of which is OK State and the second is the Univ of Okla.

  • anotherguy | September 24, 2009 at 10:22 pm |

    [quote comment="349914"]

    or did you forget the sarcasm tags?[/quote]

    No, I didn’t forget the sarcasm tags.

    Nor did I forget the word “rarely”.

    Hell, throw in a picture of Ralphie if you want. Or Mike for that matter. It just doesn’t happen very often-and AFAIK never has happened at Mississippi. Takes a lot of time and money: Mississippi never had that much of either.

    Big time football schools with big time budgets, yes.

  • anotherguy | September 24, 2009 at 10:25 pm |

    [quote comment="349911"]The team, I believe. They’d sure be the first we’d hear from. They are entitled to make their own local deals, but I imagine they must be submitted to the league.

    You mention the Bears spots. I love the way advertisers now have to work around using “Super Bowl.”[/quote]
    Or the college bowls for that matter: I think someone was advertising something like “the game in Pasadena on January 1″. :-)

    Okay, I didn’t know that the teams could make local deals; but if so, does that escape the revenue sharing agreement? I doubt it.

  • Stuby | September 24, 2009 at 10:25 pm |

    In reference to Confederate battle flags discussed earlier, South Carolina has the state flag on their helmet, but I’m sure Ole Miss would catch hell if they did use theirs…

    http://www.worldatla...

  • anotherguy | September 24, 2009 at 10:28 pm |

    [quote comment="349917"]
    Okay, I didn’t know that the teams could make local deals; but if so, does that escape the revenue sharing agreement? I doubt it.[/quote]
    Ricko, you might not know this answer: but here we have an “official Bears Television Station” (happens to be Fox). Whatever the Bears charge for that: doesn’t that have to go to New York for a 32-way split?

    The rights to be the offical Bears, Giants or Eagles station have to be a little more lucrative than the rights to be the offical Jaguars station. :-)

  • Gusto44 | September 24, 2009 at 10:30 pm |

    [quote comment="349784"][quote comment="349762"][quote comment="349742"]A Rockets uniform with Houston on the front, finally. Also looks to not have that same shiny fabric like the current home/road. Love the upward slant of the wordmark, like the original jerseys.[/quote]

    I really like these, too, except for one thing: it still has the new logo on the pants. Bleah.

    This http://www.logoserve... should have stayed, even if they changed unis.

    This http://www.logodesig... was a disaster, and this http://www.houstonro... looks like something scrawled in blood at a murder scene.

    As much as I love the ketchup and mustard unis, I’d rather have the new ones if they just ditched the new logo and went back to the classic one.[/quote]

    Thank you for noting the obvious flaw in this…
    http://www.houstonro...

    That logo has REALLY always been high on my “What WERE they thinking???” list. I mean didn’t SOMEONE in the Rockets’ organization have the brains to say, “You’re kidding, right? We’re gonna look like we get our ideas from Charlie Manson? Or should we just change our name the Houston Helter Skelter?”

    One of THE dumbest logo decisions of all time. From a business standpoint, just unconscious. Should never have seen daylight.

    (There’s a thought, perhaps the folks who designed rarely see daylight, either).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I just stumbled across this post from earlier in the day. I’ll tell ya, anytime we can get a Charles Manson reference in UniWatch, it’s been a good day. At least no one brought up Jeffery Dahmer, David Koresh, or Marshall Applewhite!

  • anotherguy | September 24, 2009 at 10:34 pm |

    BTW Ricko, check out Sports Illustrated: two page color shot of the Gophers in their Ronald McDonald uni’s.

  • LennyT | September 24, 2009 at 10:48 pm |

    did anybody realize what I posted a while back??

    THe Western Ontario UNIVERSITY football team has ADS on their jerseys!! Everyone freaks out ads on jerseys but nobody responds to a College football team with ADS… come on uni Nation

  • Gusto44 | September 24, 2009 at 10:55 pm |

    [quote comment="349922"]did anybody realize what I posted a while back??

    THe Western Ontario UNIVERSITY football team has ADS on their jerseys!! Everyone freaks out ads on jerseys but nobody responds to a College football team with ADS… come on uni Nation[/quote]

    I think because it’s Canada, where hockey is the most popular sport. Even the CBC fails to broadcast Canadian college football games. I agree, don’t like to see any college team with ads.

  • Tall Paul | September 24, 2009 at 10:56 pm |

    [quote comment="349900"][quote comment="349895"][quote comment="349893"]tall paul…what site is that?

    i just googled pics but didn’t go searchin on any of the sites from whence they came

    linkie?[/quote]

    The Confederate Flag on the Florida helmets site is: http://www.nationalc... and scroll down to the Florida section.[/quote]

    According to the index card color sketch I’m holding in my hand—which I made while watching the Gator Bowl on CBS Dec. 29, 1962—it’s an orange rectangle with the word “WIN” in royal blue condensed serif all caps. Certainly I would have watched dilegently for closeups and sideline shots, listened for broadcast team comments and checked newspaper photos the following day.

    Doesn’t mean it wasn’t a Conferate battle flag of some sort. But I evidently somehow determined it said “WIN”. And it wasn’t the Stars & Bars. I’d have recognized that in a heartbeat.

    Photo does look a little like maybe I could have gotten it right, though. But inconclusive, I suppose.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    No pic (yet) but this link: http://web.uflib.ufl... describes film footage housed in the University of Florida Smathers Libraries – Special and Area Studies Collections. The description is as follows:

    1962 Gator Bowl
    Finding aid prepared by Carl Van Ness

    University of Florida Smathers Libraries – Special and Area Studies Collections
    October 2004

    Descriptive Summary
    Title: Gator Bowl
    Dates: 1962
    Abstract: Highlights of the 1962 Gator Bowl Game played on December 30, 1962 in Jacksonville, Florida.
    Extent: 16mm film, color w/sound. Duration: 00:24:40
    Identification: Production Number 76

    ——————————————————————————–

    Scope and Content
    Film highlights of the 1962 Gator Bowl Game along with footage of associated events. The film credits are missing and the film begins in the stadium parking lot. The game is billed as a North vs South contest. For this game, the Florida players sport Confederate battleflag emblems on their helmets.

    Key players and the head coaches of both teams are shown. For Penn State, Dave Robinson, Pete Liske, and Roger Kochman are featured along with coach Rip Engle. For Florida, Bruce Culpepper, Lindy Infante, Larry Dupree, and Tom Shannon and head coach Ray Graves are noted.

    Jacksonville sportscaster Dick Stratton does the play-by-play. Game highlights are shown with good shots of the crowd and cheerleaders. During the halftime segment, the bands from both schools are shown along with brief segments of pre-game activities including the Florida-Georgia Tech basketball game the night before. The Gator Bowl Queen, Gail Clark of the University of Georgia, is crowned and the Delta Belles of Delta State College in Mississippi perform. Final score of the game, Florida 17, Penn State 7.

  • LI Phil | September 24, 2009 at 10:57 pm |

    [quote comment="349916"][quote comment="349914"]

    or did you forget the sarcasm tags?[/quote]

    No, I didn’t forget the sarcasm tags.

    Nor did I forget the word “rarely”.

    Hell, throw in a picture of Ralphie if you want. Or Mike for that matter. It just doesn’t happen very often-and AFAIK never has happened at Mississippi. Takes a lot of time and money: Mississippi never had that much of either.

    Big time football schools with big time budgets, yes.[/quote]

    ah, well, i guess i stand corrected…im pretty sure i remember seeing a photo of a rider carrying the stars and bars at ole miss

    it’s not like they didn’t have their share of flags at one time…maybe only in the stands, the grove, the frats…the faculty offices

  • JimV19 | September 24, 2009 at 10:57 pm |

    [quote comment="349922"]did anybody realize what I posted a while back??

    THe Western Ontario UNIVERSITY football team has ADS on their jerseys!! Everyone freaks out ads on jerseys but nobody responds to a College football team with ADS… come on uni Nation[/quote]

    Okay, I’ll bite. Zounds!

    I saw that post, but since CFL teams have ads, I figured it wouldn’t be long before Canadian university teams followed suit. Who’s the sponsor?

  • Komet17 | September 24, 2009 at 11:12 pm |

    My high school (Kearny – San Diego) also has had striped shoulders since at least the mid-60s. Classic look of maroon road jersey and white home jersey:

    http://www.loustrain...

  • JTH | September 24, 2009 at 11:15 pm |

    [quote comment="349926"][quote comment="349922"]did anybody realize what I posted a while back??

    THe Western Ontario UNIVERSITY football team has ADS on their jerseys!! Everyone freaks out ads on jerseys but nobody responds to a College football team with ADS… come on uni Nation[/quote]

    Okay, I’ll bite. Zounds!

    I saw that post, but since CFL teams have ads, I figured it wouldn’t be long before Canadian university teams followed suit. Who’s the sponsor?[/quote]
    Yeah. What’s on the patch? I couldn’t tell what it was from any of the pics on that site. Is it really an ad?

  • LennyT | September 24, 2009 at 11:36 pm |

    It looks like a Honda dealership based on this pic. Also the “cheerleader of the week” is rocking a tongue ring if you look at the other pics. How Canada is that?

    http://sportsillustr...

  • Teebz | September 24, 2009 at 11:48 pm |

    [quote comment="349861"]Okay, I’ll sound like the mornon here.
    Is the NHL even ON espn?
    Doesn’t the NHL deal with Versus run for a couple more seasons?
    Didn’t espn bow out in ’05 partially because of the TV ratings history?
    Are they suddenly interested again. Hard to believe. They can air poker for a lot less money up front…and probably net more than they would on the NHL (that’s more a question than a statement of fact, btw).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    The NHL wants back on ESPN. For ESPN to consider it, the NHL has to have the largest markets covered so that they draw the ratings. If they were in “Podunk, Alabama” and “Nonsuch, Iowa”, the markets there wouldn’t be large enough for ESPN to even consider doing a contract based on the up-front costs.

    However, since the NHL has footholds in the major western markets, ESPN can look at it as a way to maximize advertising dollars. Lots of people love their teams, and can advertise locally on their regional ESPN channel.

    The problem, once again, are the west coast teams. Outside of Anaheim and San Jose, they all stink. Los Angeles, Phoenix, Colorado, and Dallas were terrible last season, will be terrible this season, and will most likely stink next season.

  • JTH | September 24, 2009 at 11:50 pm |

    [quote comment="349929"]It looks like a Honda dealership based on this pic. Also the “cheerleader of the week” is rocking a tongue ring if you look at the other pics. How Canada is that?

    http://sportsillustr...
    Yep. Looks like they’ve been there for a few years now. Bastards.

  • Teebz | September 24, 2009 at 11:51 pm |

    [quote comment="349870"]I’m not convinced ESPN would really care that much about if Phoenix had a team or not. How many times were the D’backs even on ESPN this year? They seem more interested in teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Cubs, Mets (maybe the NHL needs teams like the Bruins, Blackhawks, Islanders to be strong).

    Vacating a market didn’t really concern the NBA either – see Seattle (I don’t see Sonics fans becoming Blazers converts). I mean really…Oklahoma City?[/quote]

    It’s not about how many times the Diamondbacks are on TV. It’s about how many people tune in. That’s all that ESPN cares about.

    If there was no baseball in Phoenix, less people would watch games because there’s less interest. Sure, the Yanks and Sox would get viewers, but if the Rockies and Giants are playing, people from Phoenix are tuning in because they have an interest. I guarantee you less people in Phoenix would be watching if the D-Backs weren’t in town.

  • JTH | September 24, 2009 at 11:56 pm |

    [quote comment="349930"]The problem, once again, are the west coast teams. Outside of Anaheim and San Jose, they all stink. Los Angeles, Phoenix, Colorado, and Dallas were terrible last season, will be terrible this season, and will most likely stink next season.[/quote]
    Hey, don’t forget the Islanders, Lightning and Thrashers.

  • Gusto44 | September 25, 2009 at 12:04 am |

    [quote comment="349933"][quote comment="349930"]The problem, once again, are the west coast teams. Outside of Anaheim and San Jose, they all stink. Los Angeles, Phoenix, Colorado, and Dallas were terrible last season, will be terrible this season, and will most likely stink next season.[/quote]
    Hey, don’t forget the Islanders, Lightning and Thrashers.[/quote]

    Good point. The Islanders are also a strong contender for relocation, with the Predators, Thrashers, Panthers, and Lightning possibilities for future moves.

  • JimV19 | September 25, 2009 at 12:29 am |

    [quote comment="349934"][quote comment="349933"][quote comment="349930"]The problem, once again, are the west coast teams. Outside of Anaheim and San Jose, they all stink. Los Angeles, Phoenix, Colorado, and Dallas were terrible last season, will be terrible this season, and will most likely stink next season.[/quote]
    Hey, don’t forget the Islanders, Lightning and Thrashers.[/quote]

    Good point. The Islanders are also a strong contender for relocation, with the Predators, Thrashers, Panthers, and Lightning possibilities for future moves.[/quote]

    Anyone moving to Hartford?

  • Nick | September 25, 2009 at 12:58 am |

    [quote comment="349868"]I need assistance from everybody here. I’m teaching a unit on photoshop in 2 weeks, and I wanted to use this picture from SI yesterday as the colorization demo:
    Otto Graham Pic from 1954
    Coloring Otto was easy, as some quick research said that the Brownd did have an orange alt. jersey for night games (hence the white ball) in 1954. Buy I have 2 problems before I bring this before a class. First, I can’t place the team that the Browns are playing. Second, the guy behind Otto looks like he has a white outline in the numbers on his jersey – so what team is he on?[/quote]

    I have read here as well as in other places that the Browns wore that Orange alternate jersey for ONE preseason night game in the 1950s, and never wore it again.

    Surely, someone from up near Ohio knows more on this …..

  • Nick | September 25, 2009 at 1:12 am |

    [quote comment="349920"][quote comment="349784"][quote comment="349762"][quote comment="349742"]A Rockets uniform with Houston on the front, finally. Also looks to not have that same shiny fabric like the current home/road. Love the upward slant of the wordmark, like the original jerseys.[/quote]

    I really like these, too, except for one thing: it still has the new logo on the pants. Bleah.

    This http://www.logoserve... should have stayed, even if they changed unis.

    This http://www.logodesig... was a disaster, and this http://www.houstonro... looks like something scrawled in blood at a murder scene.

    As much as I love the ketchup and mustard unis, I’d rather have the new ones if they just ditched the new logo and went back to the classic one.[/quote]

    Thank you for noting the obvious flaw in this…
    http://www.houstonro...

    That logo has REALLY always been high on my “What WERE they thinking???” list. I mean didn’t SOMEONE in the Rockets’ organization have the brains to say, “You’re kidding, right? We’re gonna look like we get our ideas from Charlie Manson? Or should we just change our name the Houston Helter Skelter?”

    One of THE dumbest logo decisions of all time. From a business standpoint, just unconscious. Should never have seen daylight.

    (There’s a thought, perhaps the folks who designed rarely see daylight, either).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I just stumbled across this post from earlier in the day. I’ll tell ya, anytime we can get a Charles Manson reference in UniWatch, it’s been a good day. At least no one brought up Jeffery Dahmer, David Koresh, or Marshall Applewhite![/quote]

    Did you know that Charles Manson once participated in an open tryout/audition for a spot as the drummer for the then-newly formed “Monkees”, I believe in Memphis or Nashville.

    Imagine how history may have been changed if Mickey Dolenz has a bad day and ole Charley, “The King” as Mickey Knox calls him, makes it onto that stage instead of the one he’s on now …..

  • Nick | September 25, 2009 at 1:14 am |

    [quote comment="349899"]Watching the game tonight makes me wonder why everyone had such a negative opinion of Oregon wearing grey last Saturday. Ole Miss is wearing grey pants…its not a school color. Georgia wears grey…its not a school color. So why is it so bad that Oregon did? Sure, white helmets, green jerseys, grey pants isn’t the best combination, but its not different than at other places that people don’t have problems with.[/quote]

    Ole Miss needs to get rid of those stupid 1980s style red/blue stripes on the legs of the gray pants. I know they have used those stripes for a loooooooong time, perhaps even longer than the Redskins, but they are a horrible mis-match with Ole Miss’ classic jerseys and uni template.

  • Swine the Mad | September 25, 2009 at 1:33 am |

    [quote comment="349937"][quote comment="349920"][quote comment="349784"][quote comment="349762"][quote comment="349742"]A Rockets uniform with Houston on the front, finally. Also looks to not have that same shiny fabric like the current home/road. Love the upward slant of the wordmark, like the original jerseys.[/quote]

    I really like these, too, except for one thing: it still has the new logo on the pants. Bleah.

    This http://www.logoserve... should have stayed, even if they changed unis.

    This http://www.logodesig... was a disaster, and this http://www.houstonro... looks like something scrawled in blood at a murder scene.

    As much as I love the ketchup and mustard unis, I’d rather have the new ones if they just ditched the new logo and went back to the classic one.[/quote]

    Thank you for noting the obvious flaw in this…
    http://www.houstonro...

    That logo has REALLY always been high on my “What WERE they thinking???” list. I mean didn’t SOMEONE in the Rockets’ organization have the brains to say, “You’re kidding, right? We’re gonna look like we get our ideas from Charlie Manson? Or should we just change our name the Houston Helter Skelter?”

    One of THE dumbest logo decisions of all time. From a business standpoint, just unconscious. Should never have seen daylight.

    (There’s a thought, perhaps the folks who designed rarely see daylight, either).

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I just stumbled across this post from earlier in the day. I’ll tell ya, anytime we can get a Charles Manson reference in UniWatch, it’s been a good day. At least no one brought up Jeffery Dahmer, David Koresh, or Marshall Applewhite![/quote]

    Did you know that Charles Manson once participated in an open tryout/audition for a spot as the drummer for the then-newly formed “Monkees”, I believe in Memphis or Nashville.

    Imagine how history may have been changed if Mickey Dolenz has a bad day and ole Charley, “The King” as Mickey Knox calls him, makes it onto that stage instead of the one he’s on now …..[/quote]

    Know why Manson sent his folks to Sharon Tate’s house? It used to belong to producer Terry Melcher, who snubbed him in a recording studio.

    Before Manson became infamous, a reworking of his of his songs was released. Manson’s “Cease to Exist” became the Beach Boys’ “Never Learn Not to Love.”

    I doubt Manson made it all the way to Tennessee for a tryout. That would require him leaving California and he was getting too much for free, be it at the Spahn Ranch or one of Dennis Wilson’s homes (whichever time period this would have been exactly).

  • DenverGregg | September 25, 2009 at 8:20 am |

    I’ve long thought that some NFL player is going to sell ad space on his arms some day (a reason the NFL should mandate Ricko’s compression sleeve idea). The product mentioned in the lead is not a likely one, though. Now if I had big bucks, I’d consider buying a giant ad for that stuff to put in the home fields/arenas of selected teams. How funny would it be to give the Green Monster a makeover into the Gay Monster?

  • James Craven | September 25, 2009 at 12:23 pm |

    [quote]“The Yomiuri Giants just clinched the Central League title, and Jeremy Brahm reports that they celebrated by dressing up as a bottle of beer and a kindergartner, among other things.”[/quote]

    Must be Japanese baseball rookie hazing…

  • LarryB | September 25, 2009 at 11:34 pm |

    I have seen some pics of the flag the Gators wore on the helmets for the PSU game

    It is a matter of me finding them

  • LarryB | September 25, 2009 at 11:57 pm |

    Here is one my screen grabs of the Gators rebel flag decal

    http://img.photobuck...

  • Beef | September 26, 2009 at 1:27 am |

    Is anyone watching the High School Football game on ESPN2? There is a guy on the De La Salle team with M-COTTON as his NOB or should I say HNOB. I have the screen grab.

  • tony | September 29, 2009 at 2:58 pm |

    test

    THIS

  • tony | September 29, 2009 at 3:07 pm |

    test