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Thus Spake Henderson

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In the beginning, there was Okkonen, and it was Good. Because up until then there had been no record of base ball raiment. And so began the Period of Great Enlight’nment, and there was much rejoicing.

And then, after a number of epochs, Okkonen joined forces with the mighty Shieber of Cooperstowne, and thus the two of them begat Dress’t to the Nynes. And this too was Good, for now the Master’s Wisdomme was available to all, even those who did not have a printed copy of the Illuminated Manuscript.

But as Time went by, certain scholars dared to voice a near-Heresy: The Wisdomme, they said, was flaw’d. In some places it was Mistak’n; in many others it was Inkomplete. And the Master’s colourful engrayvings, which had long been celebrayt’d as powerful tools to convey the Wisdomme to future generations, began to be seen as Too Limit’d, for they showed no Posterior View, nor did they show Fyne Detail, among several other Problemmes. Worst of all, the Master had been so fatigued by the initial compiling of the Wisdomme that he could not continue with the task in subsequent seasonnes. And so there was Diskontente across the land. And this was Not Good.

And then there came Henderson.

Henderson did not claim to proffer the Master’s Wisdomme. Indeed, he did not provide Informations regarding millinery, or trousers, or the all-important stockings, or for any raiment prior to the much-despis’d Age of Synthetux. But he did provide significant Knowledge on the subject of blouses — their colours, their regalia, their strypes. And instead of engrayvings that simulat’d the raiment, he employed a Great Magick that stopp’d time and show’d how the raiment actually look’d, in all its great Scope and Varyetee. And this was Very Good.

Even better, Henderson added new Informations to his Knowledge every 26 moons. And these became known as the Great Updaytings, and the period between them became known as the Time of Much Anticipashonne, so eager were the people to learne about the blouses.

I have journey’d here to informe you, O my children, that the latest Time of Much Anticipashonne has now ended, and the Great Updayting is now upon us. And this is Very, Very Good.

Those benight’d souls who are Unf’miliar with Henderson may wish to study the teachings I present’d at the time of the last Updayting, and may also want to hie themselves to the Sample Informations that Henderson has gen’rously put forth. Those who are already acolytes would do well to proceed directly to the Marketplace.

At this pointe I must acknowledge that this latest Updayting includes a preamble that I myself penned at Henderson’s gracious request. And it was a request I felt privileg’d to grant, so high is my esteem for all things Hendersonian.

Indeed, Henderson’s gen’rosity of spirit knows no bounds, for he has announc’d the following Gifts to the People:

I) Great Fortune will shyne upon ten of our citizens this seasonne, for Henderson shall bestow upon them the latest Great Updayting without imposing any tariff or barter, which should be cause for Great Merriment throughout the land. All who wish to be el’gible for this speculation should dispatch a mess’nger to these coordinates by dusk on Tuesday next. I shall proclaim the ten winners on the morrow. (As is custom’ry, only one mess’nger per citizen, I prithee, except for those who have been induct’d into the Programme of Fellows, who may send up to four.)

II) For those who fail to win the speculation, fear not! For all citizens who read this broadsheet shall be able to secure a Discounte of five dollarres by employing the cryptograph “paulhatespurple” at the time of tariff. I confess that I am not certain of this term’s Meaning, but Henderson’s maneuv’rings are sometimes beyond my ken.

And with that, O my children, I leave you to commence the rejoicing. Remember not to spill mead on your keyboards.

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Uni Watch News Ticker: What do you do if you have a huge jersey collection? Make a rap video about it (with thanks to Chris Flinn). … Several old Formula 1 helmets shown in this article. … New basketball court for Virginia Tech (with thanks to Jonathan Sluss). … An Islanders jersey was featured on Michael & Michael Have Issuessort of. “Because of licensing restrictions, the Reebok logo on the left wrist was blacked out and the chest logo was replaced by a number,” explains John Muir. “Oddly, they kept the Stanley Cup shoulder stripes. Hooray for an Isles jersey doing something positive in the media!” … Indiana will be wearing a 125th-anniversary patch this season (with thanks to Kyle Donnelly). … If you click the “Video” link near the top of this page, you’ll see a nice little report about Oregon football players getting outfitted for the upcoming season (with thanks to Dave Anderson). … Did you know that the Mariners’ relief pitchers have been displaying gladiator helmets in their bullpen? I didn’t (maybe because it never occurred to me that Shawn Kelley was a gladiator), but whatever, now they’ve been told not to do it anymore. … Jorge Posada wore a “15” on his mask last night, as a tribute to Thurman Munson (with thanks to Tal Yellin and Ryan Farrell). … Repeated from last night’s comments: Enough is too much. … Speaking of too much, check out Adidas’s new practice jerseys for Tennessee. Not sure if any other schools are wearing this template, but we’ll presumably find out soon (with thanks to Scott Gleeson Blue). … Matt Powers plans to head to Balty for next Wednesday’s A’s/O’s tilt. If any of you Charm City readers want to meet up with him, give him a shout. … Two of the worst uni tropes — camo and pink — have been commingled in a Scottish soccer kit (blame Neil MacLeod). … The Titans’ memorial decal for Steve McNair will look like this.

 

239 comments to Thus Spake Henderson

  • Matt | August 7, 2009 at 8:43 am |

    Funny, the Mariners must have hired someone from the “Natinals” to do the story about the “Gladitors” on their website.

  • aflfan | August 7, 2009 at 8:53 am |

    I posted a note on the gladitor helmets when Seattle was in Detroit last time. That was a couple of weeks ago.

  • aflfan | August 7, 2009 at 8:54 am |

    oops, galdiators

  • Chip | August 7, 2009 at 8:54 am |

    I picked up the latest edition of Henderson’s book yesterday and with 1800 pages of baseball jerseys, I don’t think I’ll be getting much done at work in the near future. I cannot recommend this highly enough.

  • Justin H. | August 7, 2009 at 9:06 am |

    On page 37 of the Henderson’s Met’s sample it is showing Bobby Valentine wearing 1990 AIU Opening Day in Japan. I’m sure he meant to say the 2000 opener since Valentine was still with the Rangers until 1992.

    http://mlbstyleguide...

  • Paul Lukas | August 7, 2009 at 9:10 am |

    [quote comment=”344401″]On page 37 of the Henderson’s Met’s sample it is showing Bobby Valentine wearing 1990 AIU Opening Day in Japan. I’m sure he meant to say the 2000 opener since Valentine was still with the Rangers until 1992.

    http://mlbstyleguide...

    From Bill: “I know about that one. Bigtime typo from a misdated photo. I will probably do as I did w third edition and send an errata out correcting this and a few other errors. Note also in mets chapter error in title tbtc to 1999 instead of 69…”

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 9:21 am |

    [quote]Note also in mets chapter error in title tbtc to 1999 instead of 69…”[/quote]

    i didn’t check the chapter…but that be “tAtc”? (assuming it’s on the mercury mets) … if i was wrong in assuming, you know what they say…

  • DJ | August 7, 2009 at 9:25 am |

    Perhaps the Mariners could come up with a cool gladiator helmet logo, and paint it on the wall of the bullpen.

  • Joe Hilseberg | August 7, 2009 at 9:27 am |

    In Henderson I believe!

    I’ve had the update for about a week now and still am finding new things every day! Great work Bill…I’d be lost without it!

  • marc | August 7, 2009 at 9:31 am |

    paul “lucas?”

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 9:32 am |

    [quote comment=”344404″][quote]Note also in mets chapter error in title tbtc to 1999 instead of 69…”[/quote]

    i didn’t check the chapter…but that be “tAtc”? (assuming it’s on the mercury mets) … if i was wrong in assuming, you know what they say…[/quote]

    ok…my IE is really effed up…couldn’t see the link, so i viewed it in safari, and i was wrong to assume…

    nevermind (tbtc is correct)

    stupid interwebs

  • Paul Lukas | August 7, 2009 at 9:34 am |

    [quote comment=”344407″]paul “lucas?”[/quote]

    That’s happened to me so many times in my life that I barely even notice it anymore….

  • marc | August 7, 2009 at 9:35 am |

    [quote comment=\”344399\”]oops, galdiators[/quote]

    how ’bout “gladiators?” ;-)

  • Dave K | August 7, 2009 at 9:35 am |

    If the Titans had any guts at all they’d put the names of McNair’s wife and kids on the edge of that decal around the 9.

  • Prexy Hater | August 7, 2009 at 9:44 am |

    The McNair patch is alright, but the logo for the local NBC affiliate is badass!

  • mmwatkin | August 7, 2009 at 9:44 am |

    The Seattle gladiator helmet issue is so stupid.

    I don’t see how it is any different than when the Red Sox relievers started banging spoons and forks (and the like) on the top of the bullpen in the playoffs last year. In fact, not only was that not banned but the FOX broadcast aimed a microphone out there and made us listen to that crap in the background of the broadcast.

    So basically:

    – mindless noise made by bored relievers = ok
    – symbolic gladiator helmets to unite team = bad

  • aflfan | August 7, 2009 at 9:47 am |

    [quote comment=”344410″][quote comment=\”344399\”]oops, galdiators[/quote]

    how ’bout “gladiators?” ;-)[/quote]

    Damn fat fingers.

  • leon | August 7, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    Don Nottingham – that’s the guy (snapping fingers). Didn’t know about Tolar’s passing – the original HBB.

    (Responding to a comment from yesterday: um, sorry).

  • JTH | August 7, 2009 at 9:57 am |

    [quote comment=”344411″]If the Titans had any guts at all they’d put the names of McNair’s wife and kids on the edge of that decal around the 9.[/quote]
    Yeah. That would really show everyone that they have guts.

    Wait. What?

  • aflfan | August 7, 2009 at 9:58 am |

    [quote comment=”344413″]The Seattle gladiator helmet issue is so stupid.

    I don’t see how it is any different than when the Red Sox relievers started banging spoons and forks (and the like) on the top of the bullpen in the playoffs last year. In fact, not only was that not banned but the FOX broadcast aimed a microphone out there and made us listen to that crap in the background of the broadcast.

    So basically:

    – mindless noise made by bored relievers = ok
    – symbolic gladiator helmets to unite team = bad[/quote]

    I agree. Professional sports is getting so nitpicky.

  • JTH | August 7, 2009 at 10:00 am |

    So what exactly is going on with this #9 business on the Titans’ helmets?

    Titans to *SOMETHING* #9 on Helmets

  • JTH | August 7, 2009 at 10:04 am |

    [quote comment=”344417″][quote comment=”344413″]The Seattle gladiator helmet issue is so stupid.

    I don’t see how it is any different than when the Red Sox relievers started banging spoons and forks (and the like) on the top of the bullpen in the playoffs last year. In fact, not only was that not banned but the FOX broadcast aimed a microphone out there and made us listen to that crap in the background of the broadcast.

    So basically:

    – mindless noise made by bored relievers = ok
    – symbolic gladiator helmets to unite team = bad[/quote]

    I agree. Professional sports is getting so nitpicky.[/quote]
    So with the banning of the helmets, I take it that teams will no longer allowed to make the rookie pitchers carry the sunflower seeds, gum, etc. out to the bullpen in a Dora or Strawberry Shortcake backpack?

  • JTH | August 7, 2009 at 10:06 am |

    …no longer *be* allowed…

    Dang it.

  • leon | August 7, 2009 at 10:10 am |

    [quote comment=”344418″]So what exactly is going on with this #9 business on the Titans’ helmets?

    Titans to *SOMETHING* #9 on Helmets“[/quote]

    they forgot to remember to re-remember

  • Big Al | August 7, 2009 at 10:11 am |

    [quote comment=”344397″]Inkomplete
    Diskontente
    [/quote]
    J.R. Smith would like a word with you.

    http://www.denverpos...

  • Chris in Nashville | August 7, 2009 at 10:41 am |

    [quote comment=”344421″][quote comment=”344418″]So what exactly is going on with this #9 business on the Titans’ helmets?

    Titans to *SOMETHING* #9 on Helmets“[/quote]

    they forgot to remember to re-remember[/quote]

    And, yes, the NBC affiliate in Nashville uses royal blue and lime green as their color scheme. And, yes, it is AWFUL.

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 10:50 am |

    [quote comment=”344411″]If the Titans had any guts at all they’d put the names of McNair’s wife and kids on the edge of that decal around the 9.[/quote]

    Or they could apply the patch rotated 90 degrees left for right.
    Either would be appropriate.

    I know, I know, that’s harsh…but let’s face this inarguable fact: He wasn’t defending his home, he wasn’t an innocent victim, he didn’t die prematurely because of illness. The guy died in the act of routinely and repeatedly cheating on his wife.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 10:50 am |

    left OR right

  • JimV19 | August 7, 2009 at 10:53 am |

    [quote comment=”344400″]I picked up the latest edition of Henderson’s book yesterday and with 1800 pages of baseball jerseys, I don’t think I’ll be getting much done at work in the near future. I cannot recommend this highly enough.[/quote]

    And now we know the real reason the blog will be down for a couple of weeks, right Paul? ;)

  • leon | August 7, 2009 at 10:55 am |

    Heard the Titans are removing “Love Potion #9” from their stadium game P.A. rotation.

  • JimV19 | August 7, 2009 at 11:00 am |

    [quote comment=”344426″][quote comment=”344400″]I picked up the latest edition of Henderson’s book yesterday and with 1800 pages of baseball jerseys, I don’t think I’ll be getting much done at work in the near future. I cannot recommend this highly enough.[/quote]

    And now we know the real reason the blog will be down for a couple of weeks, right Paul? ;)[/quote]

    I mean, “Yea, verily have we ascertained the reasonne for the coming Age of Darkness in the Lukasian Empire, have we not, Sir Paul?”

  • Robert Eden (formerly Robert in Dallas) | August 7, 2009 at 11:00 am |

    I love Henderson’s work, and eagerly await the e-mail from him announcing that an update is ready. It took me about five minutes to order the update after reading his e-mail.

    The only problem now is that I am need anxiety medication while I await the arrival of the cd.

  • David T | August 7, 2009 at 11:03 am |

    Dunno if this has appeared here already, but the Minnesota Lynx are the latest team to wear all-pink unis…

    http://www.wnba.com/...

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 11:06 am |

    [quote comment=”344430″]Dunno if this has appeared here already, but the Minnesota Lynx are the latest team to wear all-pink unis…

    http://www.wnba.com/...

    Ah, we’ve degenerated to pink lynx.

  • mtjaws | August 7, 2009 at 11:09 am |

    That style guide sure looks nice. Lots to learn about. Would love to see the other teams.

    I nearly needed a translator to read the entry though! Aye carumba!

  • leon | August 7, 2009 at 11:14 am |

    I nearly needed a translator to read the entry though! Aye carumba!

    Yea; Moses, Chaucer, Ben Franklin and Tupac are all rolling over in their graves.

  • ChillicotheCraig | August 7, 2009 at 11:16 am |

    [quote comment=”344431″][quote comment=”344430″]Dunno if this has appeared here already, but the Minnesota Lynx are the latest team to wear all-pink unis…

    http://www.wnba.com/...

    Ah, we’ve degenerated to pink lynx.[/quote]

    Here’s more pink Lynx links…

    http://www.oursports...

    http://www.usatoday....

    I’m not really that interested I just wanted to say “pink lynx links” :)

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 11:18 am |

    [quote comment=”344434″][quote comment=”344431″][quote comment=”344430″]Dunno if this has appeared here already, but the Minnesota Lynx are the latest team to wear all-pink unis…

    http://www.wnba.com/...

    Ah, we’ve degenerated to pink lynx.[/quote]

    Here’s more pink Lynx links…

    http://www.oursports...

    http://www.usatoday....

    I’m not really that interested I just wanted to say “pink lynx links” :)[/quote]

    i love the USA today headline:

    [quote]Lynx to wear all-pink uniforms for a cause[/quote] (emphasis mine)

    good to know they’re not wearing them…ya know, for the hell of it

  • JimV19 | August 7, 2009 at 11:24 am |

    [quote comment=”344433″]I nearly needed a translator to read the entry though! Aye carumba!

    Yea; Moses, Chaucer, Ben Franklin and Tupac are all rolling over in their graves.[/quote]

    This could catch on – might even be better than National Talk Like a Pirate Day…

  • Big Al | August 7, 2009 at 11:24 am |

    [quote comment=”344432″]I nearly needed a translator to read the entry though! Aye carumba![/quote]
    I got a blinding headache after hitting the third paragraph. Someone please confirm — is Paul giving away ten copies of the Guide?

  • KT | August 7, 2009 at 11:25 am |

    [quote comment=”344424″]
    I know, I know, that’s harsh…but let’s face this inarguable fact: He wasn’t defending his home, he wasn’t an innocent victim, he didn’t die prematurely because of illness. The guy died in the act of routinely and repeatedly cheating on his wife.[/quote]

    Not that I condone it…but a guy should die for that now?

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 11:26 am |

    [quote]The guy died in the act of routinely and repeatedly cheating on his wife.[/quote]

    so, no memorial sticker?

  • gusto | August 7, 2009 at 11:29 am |

    [quote comment=”344439″][quote comment=”344424″]
    I know, I know, that’s harsh…but let’s face this inarguable fact: He wasn’t defending his home, he wasn’t an innocent victim, he didn’t die prematurely because of illness. The guy died in the act of routinely and repeatedly cheating on his wife.[/quote]

    Not that I condone it…but a guy should die for that now?[/quote]

    No, but when you go down that road of irresponsible behavior, anything is possible. Like it or not, right and wrong still matters in life.

  • mmwatkin | August 7, 2009 at 11:34 am |

    I don’t see an issue with the patch for McNair. They aren’t remembering him for his personal life, but rather what he accomplished on the field for the Oilers/Titans

  • Rick | August 7, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    hmmm … Gladiator helmets? Don’t these guys know that ‘300’ was about Spartans about 500years before the height of the Roman empire and the gladiatorial fights? And that gladiators were slaves, who fought each other to the death for the entertainment of others?
    Weird association for professional athletes to choose…

  • Teebz | August 7, 2009 at 11:36 am |

    My memory isn’t so sharp today, but do UW members still get the three extra entries for the prizes?

    Someone refresh me because my brain is done. And it’s not even lunch yet.

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 11:37 am |

    [quote comment=”344439″][quote comment=”344424″]
    I know, I know, that’s harsh…but let’s face this inarguable fact: He wasn’t defending his home, he wasn’t an innocent victim, he didn’t die prematurely because of illness. The guy died in the act of routinely and repeatedly cheating on his wife.[/quote]

    Not that I condone it…but a guy should die for that now?[/quote]

    When did I say that? Show me.

    Never said he deserved to be murdered. God, no. Or that he shouldn’t be mourned.
    Was saying maybe we might want to ponder on the circumstances in our tributes.
    What if he’d been killed holding up a liquor store?

    Saying when is behavior a factor when we decide?
    He made decisions to act in a fashion widely considered less-than-honorable.
    So is it appropriate to accord him great and public honor in return?

    I say by all means remember him as a player, a teammate, a friend.
    But maybe not wear it on your sleeve/helmet as if he should be universally honored, as if everyone should hold him in the same regard as you.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 11:38 am |

    [quote comment=”344444″]My memory isn’t so sharp today, but do UW members still get the three extra entries for the prizes?

    Someone refresh me because my brain is done. And it’s not even lunch yet.[/quote]

    what…you didn’t understand this (from the main article):

    [quote]As is custom’ry, only one mess’nger per citizen, I prithee, except for those who have been induct’d into the Programme of Fellows, who may send up to four[/quote]

    for shameth, sir teebz

  • Hibbsy | August 7, 2009 at 11:41 am |

    [quote comment=”344411″]If the Titans had any guts at all they’d put the names of McNair’s wife and kids on the edge of that decal around the 9.[/quote]

    Were they murdered, too?

  • Squiddie | August 7, 2009 at 11:42 am |

    “Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?”

    Yeah, someone had to say it.

    OK, I’m not a big fan of black in unis but I have to say that PSV Eindhoven’s new away jersey is hella cool.

    Not so sure about the socks.

  • mmwatkin | August 7, 2009 at 11:43 am |

    [quote comment=”344448″]”Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?”

    Yeah, someone had to say it.

    OK, I’m not a big fan of black in unis but I have to say that PSV Eindhoven’s new away jersey is hella cool.

    Not so sure about the socks.[/quote]

    Suddenly…I want to go to Big Boy.

  • Big Al | August 7, 2009 at 11:43 am |

    [quote comment=”344445″]I say by all means remember him as a player, a teammate, a friend.
    But maybe not wear it on your sleeve/helmet as if he should be universally honored, as if everyone should hold him in the same regard as you.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Very well said, Ricko.

  • Paul Lukas | August 7, 2009 at 11:47 am |

    [quote comment=”344442″]I don’t see an issue with the patch for McNair. They aren’t remembering him for his personal life, but rather what he accomplished on the field for the Oilers/Titans[/quote]

    I completely agree. They’re mourning him as a teammate and friend. Believe me, if we stopped memorializing pro athletes who cheated on their wives, there’d suddenly be a BIG surplus of black ribbon on the market…

  • Teebz | August 7, 2009 at 11:47 am |

    [quote comment=”344446″][quote comment=”344444″]My memory isn’t so sharp today, but do UW members still get the three extra entries for the prizes?

    Someone refresh me because my brain is done. And it’s not even lunch yet.[/quote]

    what…you didn’t understand this (from the main article):

    [quote]As is custom’ry, only one mess’nger per citizen, I prithee, except for those who have been induct’d into the Programme of Fellows, who may send up to four[/quote]

    for shameth, sir teebz[/quote]

    As stated… my brain is operating at approximately 1% capacity. I’d feel shame if I had any emotional where-with-all aside from anger right now.

    It’s been a trying morning thus far. Saving the world one computer at a time is not how I enjoy a Friday morning. Damned network problems.

  • Teebz | August 7, 2009 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”344451″][quote comment=”344442″]I don’t see an issue with the patch for McNair. They aren’t remembering him for his personal life, but rather what he accomplished on the field for the Oilers/Titans[/quote]

    I completely agree. They’re mourning him as a teammate and friend. Believe me, if we stopped memorializing pro athletes who cheated on their wives, there’d suddenly be a BIG surplus of black ribbon on the market…[/quote]

    And a lot less UW fodder.

  • KT | August 7, 2009 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=”344445″]
    Never said he deserved to be murdered. God, no. Or that he shouldn’t be mourned.[/quote]

    And that’s what the Titans are doing. Mourning. Yet you want to tell them what’s an appropriate way to mourn because YOU don’t approve of how he lived his life.

    I don’t approve of how he lived his life, either, but it’s not up to me.

    [quote]Was saying maybe we might want to ponder on the circumstances in our tributes.[/quote]

    Except it’s not “our tribute.” It’s THEIR tribute. You don’t get a vote in it. I don’t get a vote in it.

    The Sean Taylor MemoFest bordered on overkill (no pun intended), but, again, we’re not the ones mourning.

    [quote]I say by all means remember him as a player, a teammate, a friend.
    But maybe not wear it on your sleeve/helmet as if he should be universally honored, as if everyone should hold him in the same regard as you.
    [/quote]

    I don’t think a helmet/sleeve logo SAYS “everyone should hold him in the same regard as you.”

    I think a helmet/sleeve logo, or writing someone’s number or initials on your cap’s brim or your ankle tape or your shoes says “*I*/We as a team hold him in this regard, you do what you like. But we’ve chosen as a team/organization to do this to honor someone we loved who fell, regardless of how.”

  • leon | August 7, 2009 at 11:56 am |

    [quote comment=”344443″]hmmm … Gladiator helmets? Don’t these guys know that ‘300’ was about Spartans about 500years before the height of the Roman empire and the gladiatorial fights? And that gladiators were slaves, who fought each other to the death for the entertainment of others?
    Weird association for professional athletes to choose…[/quote]

    Bet they didn’t know that Nashville is the “Athens of the South”, either. :)

  • leon | August 7, 2009 at 11:58 am |

    The Sean Taylor MemoFest bordered on overkill (no pun intended), but, again, we’re not the ones mourning.

    Leave Sean Taylor out of this, please.

  • Cooper's Dad | August 7, 2009 at 11:59 am |

    [quote comment=”344445″][quote comment=”344439″][quote comment=”344424″]
    I know, I know, that’s harsh…but let’s face this inarguable fact: He wasn’t defending his home, he wasn’t an innocent victim, he didn’t die prematurely because of illness. The guy died in the act of routinely and repeatedly cheating on his wife.[/quote]

    Not that I condone it…but a guy should die for that now?[/quote]

    When did I say that? Show me.

    Never said he deserved to be murdered. God, no. Or that he shouldn’t be mourned.
    Was saying maybe we might want to ponder on the circumstances in our tributes.
    What if he’d been killed holding up a liquor store?

    Saying when is behavior a factor when we decide?
    He made decisions to act in a fashion widely considered less-than-honorable.
    So is it appropriate to accord him great and public honor in return?

    I say by all means remember him as a player, a teammate, a friend.
    But maybe not wear it on your sleeve/helmet as if he should be universally honored, as if everyone should hold him in the same regard as you.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Ricko — do you think that the Tennessee Titans would face some kind of questioning/scrutinizing if they DIDN’T memorialize McNair in some way? I would be interested to see the front office handle any questions that came up had they not done a sticker/tribute

    I do agree with you 100%…these days, by dying, past wrongs seem to be forgotten or ignored altogether (see: Jackson, Michael)

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 12:01 pm |

    [quote]Leave Sean Taylor out of this, please[/quote]

    who?

  • KT | August 7, 2009 at 12:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”344456″]The Sean Taylor MemoFest bordered on overkill (no pun intended), but, again, we’re not the ones mourning.

    Leave Sean Taylor out of this, please.[/quote]

    Why? It’s applicable.

  • Hott Rodd | August 7, 2009 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”344459″][quote comment=”344456″]The Sean Taylor MemoFest bordered on overkill (no pun intended), but, again, we’re not the ones mourning.

    Leave Sean Taylor out of this, please.[/quote]

    Why? It’s applicable.[/quote]

    It is actually a very good comparison. We would use D. Williams, but Tags cut that off before it became a DecalFest.

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 12:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”344453″][quote comment=”344451″][quote comment=”344442″]I don’t see an issue with the patch for McNair. They aren’t remembering him for his personal life, but rather what he accomplished on the field for the Oilers/Titans[/quote]

    I completely agree. They’re mourning him as a teammate and friend. Believe me, if we stopped memorializing pro athletes who cheated on their wives, there’d suddenly be a BIG surplus of black ribbon on the market…[/quote]

    And a lot less UW fodder.[/quote]

    Ah, but if their demise is a direct result of such behavior?

    Contrary to what most big-time athletes apparently believe, marital infidelity generally is not considered an admirable trait. And I (and, yes, I’m speaking personally now) am getting terribly tired of messagex that seem to say, “but if you’re a good enough athlete we’ll have lower standards for you.”

    Guess maybe what I’m saying is, under the circumstances, one game wearing the decal is probably perfectly appropriate. To wear it all season—to protract the grieving—kind of implies the loss is society’s. One game recognizes it’s a significant and shocking loss to the Titans.

    Yeah, I know that’s arbitrary and subjective. But I’m talking about perceptions. which are by their nature, most times arbitrary and subjective.

    —Ricko

    —Ricko

  • Namhob | August 7, 2009 at 12:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”344455″][quote comment=”344443″]hmmm … Gladiator helmets? Don’t these guys know that ‘300’ was about Spartans about 500years before the height of the Roman empire and the gladiatorial fights? And that gladiators were slaves, who fought each other to the death for the entertainment of others?
    Weird association for professional athletes to choose…[/quote]

    Bet they didn’t know that Nashville is the “Athens of the South”, either. :)[/quote]
    I thought Athens, GA was the “Athens of the South” :-p

  • Cooper's Dad | August 7, 2009 at 12:08 pm |

    Couple of questions that have lingered and maybe you wonderful human beings can help me out…

    #1) – I realize that the NCAA requires that teams were gray (or GREY for you north of the border) gloves. I think it’s been 8-9 years since this took effect. Anyone know the reasoning? The “Why”?

    #2) – Why does MLB forbid catchers from personalizing their “hockey” style masks? I remember Yadier Molina used to have a Cardinal on a bat on each side of his mask as recently as 2006. The past 2-3 years? Gone. Replaced by….nothing, really. Anyone know WHY?

    Thanks people.

  • leon | August 7, 2009 at 12:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”344459″][quote comment=”344456″]The Sean Taylor MemoFest bordered on overkill (no pun intended), but, again, we’re not the ones mourning.

    Leave Sean Taylor out of this, please.[/quote]

    Why? It’s applicable.[/quote]

    By that logic, any number of memorial stickers would be comparable. How about Gene Upshaw? I think we are talking about the circumstances surrounding someone’s death, not just the black circular emblem.

  • Hott Rodd | August 7, 2009 at 12:19 pm |

    [quote comment=”344464″][quote comment=”344459″][quote comment=”344456″]The Sean Taylor MemoFest bordered on overkill (no pun intended), but, again, we’re not the ones mourning.

    Leave Sean Taylor out of this, please.[/quote]

    Why? It’s applicable.[/quote]

    By that logic, any number of memorial stickers would be comparable. How about Gene Upshaw? I think we are talking about the circumstances surrounding someone’s death, not just the black circular emblem.[/quote]

    Actually the OP was commenting not on the circumstances of his death, but rather the aftermath in which the tributes bordered on becoming a “top this” competition.

  • Craig | August 7, 2009 at 12:21 pm |

    GW has a new logo.

    http://colonialhoops...

  • mmwatkin | August 7, 2009 at 12:21 pm |

    [quote comment=\”344461\”][quote comment=\”344453\”][quote comment=\”344451\”][quote comment=\”344442\”]I don\’t see an issue with the patch for McNair. They aren\’t remembering him for his personal life, but rather what he accomplished on the field for the Oilers/Titans[/quote]

    I completely agree. They\’re mourning him as a teammate and friend. Believe me, if we stopped memorializing pro athletes who cheated on their wives, there\’d suddenly be a BIG surplus of black ribbon on the market…[/quote]

    And a lot less UW fodder.[/quote]

    Ah, but if their demise is a direct result of such behavior?[/quote]

    But McNair was retired, so it really didn\’t affect his contribution to any team. If he was in his prime and was shot because his extramarital girlfriend shot him, then I could see a case for the team maybe not memorializing him.

    The bottom line is that what he did outside of football does not diminish what he gave to the teams he played for, and should be acknowledged for what he did between the lines.

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 12:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”344467″][quote comment=\”344461\”][quote comment=\”344453\”][quote comment=\”344451\”][quote comment=\”344442\”]I don\’t see an issue with the patch for McNair. They aren\’t remembering him for his personal life, but rather what he accomplished on the field for the Oilers/Titans[/quote]

    I completely agree. They\’re mourning him as a teammate and friend. Believe me, if we stopped memorializing pro athletes who cheated on their wives, there\’d suddenly be a BIG surplus of black ribbon on the market…[/quote]

    And a lot less UW fodder.[/quote]

    Ah, but if their demise is a direct result of such behavior?[/quote]

    But McNair was retired, so it really didn\’t affect his contribution to any team. If he was in his prime and was shot because his extramarital girlfriend shot him, then I could see a case for the team maybe not memorializing him.

    The bottom line is that what he did outside of football does not diminish what he gave to the teams he played for, and should be acknowledged for what he did between the lines.[/quote]

    Because that’s all that counts?

  • mmwatkin | August 7, 2009 at 12:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”344468″][quote comment=”344467″][quote comment=\”344461\”][quote comment=\”344453\”][quote comment=\”344451\”][quote comment=\”344442\”]I don\’t see an issue with the patch for McNair. They aren\’t remembering him for his personal life, but rather what he accomplished on the field for the Oilers/Titans[/quote]

    I completely agree. They\’re mourning him as a teammate and friend. Believe me, if we stopped memorializing pro athletes who cheated on their wives, there\’d suddenly be a BIG surplus of black ribbon on the market…[/quote]

    And a lot less UW fodder.[/quote]

    Ah, but if their demise is a direct result of such behavior?[/quote]

    But McNair was retired, so it really didn\’t affect his contribution to any team. If he was in his prime and was shot because his extramarital girlfriend shot him, then I could see a case for the team maybe not memorializing him.

    The bottom line is that what he did outside of football does not diminish what he gave to the teams he played for, and should be acknowledged for what he did between the lines.[/quote]

    Because that’s all that counts?[/quote]

    If all they are doing is putting a sticker with his uniform # on it, yes.

    If they put a big mural of him surrounded by children followed by “WORLD GREATEST ROLE MODEL”, then no.

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 12:30 pm |

    As I said, for one game, fine.
    Because the loss is real, but the circumstances were unfortunate…and disappointing.

    In small, small way, it’s just a bit like the Kirby Puckett sexual harassment issue and all. He was the player he was. He’ll be remembered and loved forever for the way he played the game. Granted, no one died because of his bad choices, but the justifiable truth is that his off-field behavior changed things a bit, modified them. And it should.

  • leon | August 7, 2009 at 12:30 pm |

    Actually the OP was commenting not on the circumstances of his death

    Not commenting on the circumstances of his death? Here are 3 statements pulled from the discussion so far:

    The guy died in the act of routinely and repeatedly cheating on his wife.

    No, but when you go down that road of irresponsible behavior, anything is possible. Like it or not, right and wrong still matters in life.

    Saying when is behavior a factor when we decide?
    He made decisions to act in a fashion widely considered less-than-honorable.
    So is it appropriate to accord him great and public honor in return?

    My point was not to drag Sean Taylor into that discussion. KT was of the opinion that his treatment was “overkill”. Based on what? Korey Stringer, Pat Tillman, Thomas Herrion, etc. have all been memorialized. Was this overkill?

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 12:31 pm |

    [quote]do you think that the Tennessee Titans would face some kind of questioning/scrutinizing if they DIDN’T memorialize McNair in some way? I would be interested to see the front office handle any questions that came up had they not done a sticker/tribute[/quote]

    cooper’s dad beat me to this, but it’s an excellent question

    these days, the nfl is blackstickerhappy, or so it seems

    i think there would have been more hell to pay had they not chosen to memorialize SMcN

    it’s becoming like the walkoff homer these days…you know the batter is gonna trot around third, fling his helmet off, and be met at the plate by the hopalong cassidy crew

    the blacksticker is all the rage now, and the titans would have been called onto the carpet if they HADN’T decided to have one

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 12:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”344469″][quote comment=”344468″][quote comment=”344467″][quote comment=\”344461\”][quote comment=\”344453\”][quote comment=\”344451\”][quote comment=\”344442\”]I don\’t see an issue with the patch for McNair. They aren\’t remembering him for his personal life, but rather what he accomplished on the field for the Oilers/Titans[/quote]

    I completely agree. They\’re mourning him as a teammate and friend. Believe me, if we stopped memorializing pro athletes who cheated on their wives, there\’d suddenly be a BIG surplus of black ribbon on the market…[/quote]

    And a lot less UW fodder.[/quote]

    Ah, but if their demise is a direct result of such behavior?[/quote]

    But McNair was retired, so it really didn\’t affect his contribution to any team. If he was in his prime and was shot because his extramarital girlfriend shot him, then I could see a case for the team maybe not memorializing him.

    The bottom line is that what he did outside of football does not diminish what he gave to the teams he played for, and should be acknowledged for what he did between the lines.[/quote]

    Because that’s all that counts?[/quote]

    If all they are doing is putting a sticker with his uniform # on it, yes.

    If they put a big mural of him surrounded by children followed by “WORLD GREATEST ROLE MODEL”, then no.[/quote]

    Actually, we’re harmonizing, I think. Not singing different songs.
    Teams have to consider making sure they don’t over-memorialize someone who made decisions a lot of people find objectionable.
    A question of degree, absolutely.

    As an aside, my problem with the Sean Taylor thing was that by the time it was at its height, you’d have thought he was an all-time NFL great. Frankly, I’m not sure he played enough seasons even to be a Redskin all-time great.

    Let’s not make it look like the NFL thinks it and its player are the center of the universe. Please?

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 12:39 pm |

    im pretty sure the sticker/patch craze is a direct result of the pat tillman decision(s), plus the peyton-johnny u shenanigans

    they fucked up then and they’re afraid to offend anyone’s sensibilites now…

    goodell is not tags, and that’s a huge part of it

  • WarDamnEagle | August 7, 2009 at 12:39 pm |

    the infamous blue Dodgers alt jersey from the late 90s (paired with the Angels’ Disney duds, too):

    http://sportsillustr...

    (scroll down to “fights, massacres, meltdowns, and more”)

  • Stoops | August 7, 2009 at 12:43 pm |

    checking in from Cleveland-sorry i missed ya when you were Paul-being a former equipment manager i had some cool stuff i would have showed you
    Youngstown State University started summer sessions
    enjoy
    -Stoops

    http://www.facebook....

  • Hott Rodd | August 7, 2009 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”344471″]Actually the OP was commenting not on the circumstances of his death

    Not commenting on the circumstances of his death? Here are 3 statements pulled from the discussion so far:

    The guy died in the act of routinely and repeatedly cheating on his wife.

    No, but when you go down that road of irresponsible behavior, anything is possible. Like it or not, right and wrong still matters in life.

    Saying when is behavior a factor when we decide?
    He made decisions to act in a fashion widely considered less-than-honorable.
    So is it appropriate to accord him great and public honor in return?

    My point was not to drag Sean Taylor into that discussion. KT was of the opinion that his treatment was “overkill”. Based on what? Korey Stringer, Pat Tillman, Thomas Herrion, etc. have all been memorialized. Was this overkill?[/quote]

    I think that KT was referring back to Sean Taylor specifically because it was the first real memorial after Goodell became commissioner, it many people were of the opinion that he allowed the memorialization to get a bit out of hand as compared to Tags. I don’t speak for KT, but it is my belief that no one, myself especially, is at this point speaking ill of Sean Taylor as man, as it was quite well proven that he had indeed turned his life around, but rather drawing comparisons to a way in which the Decals/black circles/number wearing could get out of hand. As you said the Gene Upshaw memorial is another prime example, with the huge jersey patches that were then reduced to helmet decals after the league realized that it was overkill.

  • mtjaws | August 7, 2009 at 12:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”344475″]the infamous blue Dodgers alt jersey from the late 90s (paired with the Angels’ Disney duds, too):

    http://sportsillustr...

    (scroll down to “fights, massacres, meltdowns, and more”)[/quote]

    I would scroll down, but I’d much rather look at the first picture!

  • WarDamnEagle | August 7, 2009 at 12:45 pm |

    The all-gold number decal on the back of the Jags helmet has been changed to reflect the new number font.

    Old:
    http://orlandosentin...

    New:
    http://sportsillustr...

  • leon | August 7, 2009 at 12:48 pm |

    As an aside, my problem with the Sean Taylor thing was that by the time it was at its height, you’d have thought he was an all-time NFL great.

    So levels of appreciation should be linked to statistics?

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 12:48 pm |

    Let’s not make it look like the NFL thinks it and its players are the center of the universe. Please?

    Let’s not make it SO OBVIOUS the NFL thinks it and its players are the center of the universe. Please?

    Fixed.

    —Ricko

  • Jon in SLC | August 7, 2009 at 12:49 pm |

    Paul –
    Enjoyed the post today. The narrative (if that’s correct) made me laugh. Thanks.

  • JimV19 | August 7, 2009 at 12:52 pm |

    Because for some reason I feel like throwing gas on the fire…

    What if Michael Vick met the same fate as Steve McNair?

    If it were Brett Favre he’d probably teeter between life and death and the media would constantly wonder whether or not he has the will to hang in there.

    Sorry, it’s one of those days.

    Anyway, I don’t have a problem with the team doing something. They were his “other family” after all, and family mourns even when a member doesn’t live up to standards. Just don’t make it a league-wide thing and let’s get it out of the endless news cycle.

  • Big Al | August 7, 2009 at 12:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”344475″]the infamous blue Dodgers alt jersey from the late 90s (paired with the Angels’ Disney duds, too):

    http://sportsillustr...
    That Alyssa Milano pic –> holy schnikes.

    God bless Jimmy Traina.

  • ALK | August 7, 2009 at 12:59 pm |

    My favorite line from the gladiator helmet article:

    “It had been reported incorrectly that the pitchers had been wearing the helmets during games.”

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 12:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”344480″]As an aside, my problem with the Sean Taylor thing was that by the time it was at its height, you’d have thought he was an all-time NFL great.

    So levels of appreciation should be linked to statistics?[/quote]

    Yah, I know. Redskins fan want us to believe Sean Taylor was a legend in his time. Solid, more-than-solid, player, but c’mon…

    Yes, his death was unfortunate, terrible, undeserved. But sometimes (very often?) the bigger show someone makes of their feelings, the less genuine those feelings really are. It started to ring hollow, affected, by the end of it all.

    I’m not dumping on Taylor. Lord knows, I’m not. It got to be a “who can show their grief best”. And so now, instead of remembering HIM, we’re remembering the hoopla.

    And THAT’S the real insult to Sean Taylor.

    —Ricko

  • Berto | August 7, 2009 at 1:02 pm |

    I said it a few days back and I’ll say it again, “Jersey Rap Guy” (Big Nips) is pure gold.

  • Kek | August 7, 2009 at 1:08 pm |

    [quote comment=”344424″][quote comment=”344411″]If the Titans had any guts at all they’d put the names of McNair’s wife and kids on the edge of that decal around the 9.[/quote]

    Or they could apply the patch rotated 90 degrees left for right.
    Either would be appropriate.

    I know, I know, that’s harsh…but let’s face this inarguable fact: He wasn’t defending his home, he wasn’t an innocent victim, he didn’t die prematurely because of illness. The guy died in the act of routinely and repeatedly cheating on his wife.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Like I said yesterday, I guess we’re all without sin so we can cast the first stone. Regardless of the circumstances, murder is murder. It’s an awful thing. What if he wasn’t cheating but had a domestic altercation that led his wife into killing him? What then? Would we be saying “he was fighting with his wife, not defending his home so we shouldn’t put a decal on the helmet”?

    Pelle Lindbergh was killed while driving drunk. Last I checked, that’s illegal. Yet the Flyers somehow mustered up the dignity to memorialize his #31 on their jersey.

    Let’s all stop being so high and mighty and just let the team memorialize the player for his play on the field. Like I said yesterday, he was, and for the most part continues to be, the defining player in the Jeff Fisher, Oilers-to-Titans era.

    Personally, I’d be more pissed off if the Titans opted NOT to memorialize him.

  • leon | August 7, 2009 at 1:11 pm |

    Yah, I know. Redskins fan want us to believe Sean Taylor was a legend in his time.

    This Redskin Fan doesn’t think anything like that at all. In fact, my first impressions of him were not good. And he didn’t play long enough to really establish any star level. I just don’t feel his situation is analagous to McNair’s. I’m not defending or criticizing his tributes, just commenting on the circumstance of his death. I can understand anyone thinking the sticker thing went on too long; but there are plenty of players and ex-players who met their maker under less than noble circumstances who could be trotted out for comparison.

    btw, that “Redskin Fan” shit sounds like Colin Cowherd. :)

  • Chris | August 7, 2009 at 1:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”344483″]Because for some reason I feel like throwing gas on the fire…

    What if Michael Vick met the same fate as Steve McNair?

    If it were Brett Favre he’d probably teeter between life and death and the media would constantly wonder whether or not he has the will to hang in there.

    Sorry, it’s one of those days.

    Anyway, I don’t have a problem with the team doing something. They were his “other family” after all, and family mourns even when a member doesn’t live up to standards. Just don’t make it a league-wide thing and let’s get it out of the endless news cycle.[/quote]
    More fuel for the fire, what about when The Juice dies?

  • Original Jim | August 7, 2009 at 1:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”344463″]Couple of questions that have lingered and maybe you wonderful human beings can help me out…

    #1) – I realize that the NCAA requires that teams were gray (or GREY for you north of the border) gloves. I think it’s been 8-9 years since this took effect. Anyone know the reasoning? The “Why”?

    #2) – Why does MLB forbid catchers from personalizing their “hockey” style masks? I remember Yadier Molina used to have a Cardinal on a bat on each side of his mask as recently as 2006. The past 2-3 years? Gone. Replaced by….nothing, really. Anyone know WHY?

    Thanks people.[/quote]

    No NCAA team wears gray jerseys (normally), so gray gloves make it easier to determine holding penalties.

    From what I’ve read, MLB wants to keep some sort of consistency with on-field equipment, so personalizing catchers’ helmets is kept at a minimum. Only official team logos can be used when customizing the helmets.

  • Dane | August 7, 2009 at 1:18 pm |

    Another candidate for the NOB HOF:
    http://media.photobu...

    Mr. Big Snake just signed with the Muskegon Lumberjacks for the 2009-10 season.

  • Berto | August 7, 2009 at 1:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”344448″]”Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?”

    Yeah, someone had to say it.

    OK, I’m not a big fan of black in unis but I have to say that PSV Eindhoven’s new away jersey is hella cool.

    Not so sure about the socks.[/quote]

    You a No-Cal Squiddie?

  • Kek | August 7, 2009 at 1:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”344489″]Yah, I know. Redskins fan want us to believe Sean Taylor was a legend in his time.

    This Redskin Fan doesn’t think anything like that at all. In fact, my first impressions of him were not good. And he didn’t play long enough to really establish any star level. I just don’t feel his situation is analagous to McNair’s. I’m not defending or criticizing his tributes, just commenting on the circumstance of his death. I can understand anyone thinking the sticker thing went on too long; but there are plenty of players and ex-players who met their maker under less than noble circumstances who could be trotted out for comparison.

    btw, that “Redskin Fan” shit sounds like Colin Cowherd. :)[/quote]
    who pretty much ripped that off from Jim Rome

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 1:29 pm |

    “Let’s all stop being so high and mighty and just let the team memorialize the player for his play on the field. Like I said yesterday, he was, and for the most part continues to be, the defining player in the Jeff Fisher, Oilers-to-Titans era.”

    And all I said, basically, was modulate the memorializing some because of the disappointing circumstances.

    Never said not to do it.

    (Actually, I started out simply defending my smartass remark about rotating the decal 90 degrees either way to make the #9 lying down or “on top”…because of the circumstances).

    —Ricko

  • Dane | August 7, 2009 at 1:35 pm |

    1960’s pictures of the Pittsburgh Hornets here:
    http://www.youtube.c...

    and here:
    http://community.pos...

    If you scroll down that second link, you’ll see this amusing, but still unnecessary, jersey foul:
    http://farm4.static....

  • Berto | August 7, 2009 at 1:39 pm |

    I’m not a Redskins fan but I was a DC resident when the Sean Taylor thing happened. Being in that community I didn’t see anything the Redskins did as being over the top. even though taylor had had some issues during his time there the team and the fans really embraced him and his death was a shock.

    As for McNair I agree with everyone so far. I’d advocate for a more cautious tribute, but it’s not my deal so I’ll sit here in Cali and think what I think.

  • leon | August 7, 2009 at 1:42 pm |

    Mr. Big Snake?

    Who wants to go first?

  • JimV19 | August 7, 2009 at 1:43 pm |

    Ricko, your Twins got the latest ex-Indian, Carl Pavano http://sports.espn.g...

  • Squiddie | August 7, 2009 at 1:48 pm |

    There seems to be an escalation of memorial decals and patches. Maybe we could just standardize things with a black armband and be done with it.

  • JimV19 | August 7, 2009 at 1:58 pm |

    By the way, did anyone else think we were getting highlights of Rickey’s HOF speech upon reading today’s headline “Thus Spake Henderson”?

  • leon | August 7, 2009 at 2:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”344501″]By the way, did anyone else think we were getting highlights of Rickey’s HOF speech upon reading today’s headline “Thus Spake Henderson”?[/quote]

    Me (raises hand).
    Thought there might be some Wagnerian music, also.
    :)

  • leon | August 7, 2009 at 2:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”344502″][quote comment=”344501″]By the way, did anyone else think we were getting highlights of Rickey’s HOF speech upon reading today’s headline “Thus Spake Henderson”?[/quote]

    Me (raises hand).
    Thought there might be some Wagnerian music, also.
    :)[/quote]

    My bad
    Richard Strauss

  • Berto | August 7, 2009 at 2:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”344502″][quote comment=”344501″]By the way, did anyone else think we were getting highlights of Rickey’s HOF speech upon reading today’s headline “Thus Spake Henderson”?[/quote]

    Me (raises hand).
    Thought there might be some Wagnerian music, also.
    :)[/quote]

    Me too. I do have some clips of his number retirement speech if anyone’s interested.

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 2:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”344479″]The all-gold number decal on the back of the Jags helmet has been changed to reflect the new number font.

    Old:
    http://orlandosentin...

    New:
    http://sportsillustr...

    btw…anyone else notice the magic, color-changing helmet?

  • JimV19 | August 7, 2009 at 2:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”344504″][quote comment=”344502″][quote comment=”344501″]By the way, did anyone else think we were getting highlights of Rickey’s HOF speech upon reading today’s headline “Thus Spake Henderson”?[/quote]

    Me (raises hand).
    Thought there might be some Wagnerian music, also.
    :)[/quote]

    Me too. I do have some clips of his number retirement speech if anyone’s interested.[/quote]

    Is it Rickey being Rickey?

  • leon | August 7, 2009 at 2:07 pm |

    Me too. I do have some clips of his number retirement speech if anyone’s interested.

    Only if it’s in 3rd person.

  • leon | August 7, 2009 at 2:09 pm |

    btw…anyone else notice the magic, color-changing helmet?

    Where’s Michael Scott when you need him?

  • Berto | August 7, 2009 at 2:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”344506″][quote comment=”344504″][quote comment=”344502″][quote comment=”344501″]By the way, did anyone else think we were getting highlights of Rickey’s HOF speech upon reading today’s headline “Thus Spake Henderson”?[/quote]

    Me (raises hand).
    Thought there might be some Wagnerian music, also.
    :)[/quote]

    Me too. I do have some clips of his number retirement speech if anyone’s interested.[/quote]

    Is it Rickey being Rickey?[/quote]

    Yup, at the end he says, “Let me give you some Rickey” and goes into third person for the end of the speech.

  • Hibbsy | August 7, 2009 at 2:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”344411″]If the Titans had any guts at all they’d put the names of McNair’s wife and kids on the edge of that decal around the 9.[/quote]

    If the Titans had any brains they would get real stripes and change the Ku Klux Klanish logo on their helmets.

    Solution: Use the stripe pattern from their white pants and the secondary (sword) logo.

  • leon | August 7, 2009 at 2:13 pm |

    Does anybody else think that the uncle of Big Black on “Rob & Big” looks like Rickey Henderson?

  • leon | August 7, 2009 at 2:16 pm |

    Ku Klux Klanish logo on their helmets.

    I hope you’re not referring to the knife-like object used by the titans in the Odyssey! Plebian!

  • leon | August 7, 2009 at 2:22 pm |

    To UniWatch Fan
    Going to go dip my toes in the Atlantic now and sip on a Stoli. (Dammit, I just got lime juice in my eye.)
    I hope everyone has a safe and happy weekend.

    Even Cowboy Fan. :))

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 2:25 pm |

    [quote comment=”344499″]Ricko, your Twins got the latest ex-Indian, Carl Pavano http://sports.espn.g...

    Ah, the final critical piece of the puzzle.

    And how appropriate, Alyssa Milano and Carl Pavano mentioned on the same day at Uni Watch.

    Dontcha just love her cookies? So lightly minty.

    —Ricko

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 2:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”344510″][quote comment=”344411″]If the Titans had any guts at all they’d put the names of McNair’s wife and kids on the edge of that decal around the 9.[/quote]

    If the Titans had any brains they would get real stripes and change the Ku Klux Klanish logo on their helmets.

    Solution: Use the stripe pattern from their white pants and the secondary (sword) logo.[/quote]

    so, you don’t like the rejected prototype then?

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 2:35 pm |

    [quote comment=”344515″][quote comment=”344510″][quote comment=”344411″]If the Titans had any guts at all they’d put the names of McNair’s wife and kids on the edge of that decal around the 9.[/quote]

    If the Titans had any brains they would get real stripes and change the Ku Klux Klanish logo on their helmets.

    Solution: Use the stripe pattern from their white pants and the secondary (sword) logo.[/quote]

    so, you don’t like the rejected prototype then?[/quote]

    The Tennessee Hot Cross Buns?

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 2:38 pm |
  • KT | August 7, 2009 at 2:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”344461″]
    Ah, but if their demise is a direct result of such behavior?[/quote]

    Direct result? I guess. But he was sleeping on the couch.

    Had he ended it with her the night before, she might still have killed him.

    Again, Rick, I’m not condoning what he did.

    But cheating on your wife – while stupid and counterproductive and scuzzy and a lot of other things – does not usually kill you, nor do you expect it to. You seem to be treading very close to the “he got what he deserved” territory, and I would imagine that attitude is probably reserved for his wife and family – you know, people he ACTUALLY hurt with his behavior. Not you. Not me. Not his teammates. Them.

    [quote]Guess maybe what I’m saying is, under the circumstances, one game wearing the decal is probably perfectly appropriate. To wear it all season—to protract the grieving—kind of implies the loss is society’s. One game recognizes it’s a significant and shocking loss to the Titans.[/quote]

    So now YOU get to decide how long they wear it? Tributes usually go for a season (though FC Dallas and the Kansas City Wizards and Columbus Crew still wear LH decals for Lamar Hunt), that’s fairly traditional. The Upshaw bit was appropriate for the Raiders for a season and the league for a weekend, I guess. But, again, had they done it all year, that’s their call, not mine.

    The tributes to he-who-shall-not-be-named-apparently were among the most extravagant we’ve seen in recent times, and a lot of the ire was because most of us didn’t like the deceased all that much. Looking back on it, we probably should have just let that be, too.

    [quote]
    Yeah, I know that’s arbitrary and subjective. But I’m talking about perceptions. which are by their nature, most times arbitrary and subjective.
    [/quote]

    That’s fine. But you know people can call you on that, right? When it SEEMS like you’re letting your perception stray into the territory of “Everybody should feel this way and you shouldn’t get to see #9 on their helmets after week 1, because then we all have to be reminded that he was a guy who cheated on his wife.”

    Well, don’t look at the helmets, then. I never met Steve McNair. I won’t miss him. But his kids and family and teammates get to grieve in their own way, regardless of how you perceive their tributes, arbitrarily or not.

  • Hibbsy | August 7, 2009 at 2:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”344512″]Ku Klux Klanish logo on their helmets.

    I hope you’re not referring to the knife-like object used by the titans in the Odyssey! Plebian![/quote]

    What!?
    Ditch the fire ball.
    Use the sword.

  • KT | August 7, 2009 at 2:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”344464″][quote comment=”344459″][quote comment=”344456″]The Sean Taylor MemoFest bordered on overkill (no pun intended), but, again, we’re not the ones mourning.

    Leave Sean Taylor out of this, please.[/quote]

    Why? It’s applicable.[/quote]

    By that logic, any number of memorial stickers would be comparable. How about Gene Upshaw? I think we are talking about the circumstances surrounding someone’s death, not just the black circular emblem.[/quote]

    Jeff Alm killed himself. That’s messed up. That’s okay to you, though? Who are the people who get to decide that the circumstances of a guy’s death make it acceptable to memorialize his life or not?

  • KT | August 7, 2009 at 2:48 pm |

    [quote comment=”344468″]Because that’s all that counts?[/quote]

    For a helmet sticker? Probably. For a statue? Probably not. Retired number? Maybe in the future. They were going to do that anyway, most likely, you have to admit.

    We are all the sum total of our actions. How much of the negative outweighs the positive, well….you get to make that call about anyone you like, I guess. But you’re not the ones deciding how NFL teams pay tribute to people they actually know and played with and liked.

  • KT | August 7, 2009 at 2:50 pm |

    [quote comment=”344471″]My point was not to drag Sean Taylor into that discussion. KT was of the opinion that his treatment was “overkill”. Based on what?[/quote]

    Based on it being more than the guys you mention below got.

    [quote] Korey Stringer, Pat Tillman, Thomas Herrion, etc. have all been memorialized. Was this overkill?[/quote]

    Check me if I’m wrong…but none of those guys got the same treatment as Taylor did.

  • Bob A | August 7, 2009 at 2:54 pm |

    Don’t remember if this page has been linked to before but ‘Hockey Wing’ denizens might like to poke around the old goalie cards that are shown. Provides an interesting look of some old-time gear.

  • Teebz | August 7, 2009 at 2:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”344467″]
    But McNair was retired [/quote]

    That line right there… that qualifier… makes this entire decal shit with McNair entirely pointless and stupid. He should NOT have one for that point alone. If he was still with the Titans, no problem in my view. But he wasn’t. He wasn’t even in the NFL.

    He was retired from the game, and has no connections to the game aside from past glory. If this is the case, every deceased member from every single team should be honoured with a decal for an entire season. They all died in different circumstances, but all played an important part to their teams’ successes.

    Dying in sketchy circumstances is not enough for a season-long tribute. Nor should it be cause to honour a player whose on-field success was due to the other 10 players around him.

  • KT | August 7, 2009 at 2:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”344524″][quote comment=”344467″]
    But McNair was retired [/quote]

    That line right there… that qualifier… makes this entire decal shit with McNair entirely pointless and stupid. He should NOT have one for that point alone. If he was still with the Titans, no problem in my view. But he wasn’t. He wasn’t even in the NFL.[/quote]

    So this was wrong, then? Sammy Baugh wasn’t even in the NFL.

  • Teebz | August 7, 2009 at 3:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”344525″][quote comment=”344524″][quote comment=”344467″]
    But McNair was retired [/quote]

    That line right there… that qualifier… makes this entire decal shit with McNair entirely pointless and stupid. He should NOT have one for that point alone. If he was still with the Titans, no problem in my view. But he wasn’t. He wasn’t even in the NFL.[/quote]

    So this was wrong, then? Sammy Baugh wasn’t even in the NFL.[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure Sammy Baugh did more in any one season for the Redskins than McNair did in any of his nine seasons with Tennessee.

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 3:03 pm |

    Yeah, was a direct result. Pretty much. If he’s not boinking her, he’s not with her at that moment. Or ever.

    “Got what he deserved”?

    Never REMOTELY suggested that. Never ever THOUGHT it.

    I didn’t DECIDE anything about Titans’ plans, just gave my perception of it, my take on how it might be perceived, the message it sort of delivered.

    I SAID it was my personal opinion, that I was being arbitrary and subjective. How much more could I write to make the point that I DIDN’T think everybody should or would feel as I do? How much more should I have qualified my remarks?

    I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me. I’ll defend what I said, if I choose to, but it’s a pain when it involves something I didn’t say. That leaves me no choice but speak up.

    –Ricko

  • KT | August 7, 2009 at 3:05 pm |

    [quote comment=”344526″]I’m pretty sure Sammy Baugh did more in any one season for the Redskins than McNair did in any of his nine seasons with Tennessee.[/quote]

    So now you’ve moved the goalposts.

    First it was he wasn’t in the NFL. Now it was that he didn’t do as much as Sammy Baugh did.

    Moving the goalposts is a sure sign that someone’s argument isn’t strong enough.

    Care to move them again? Or do you want to go round and round about BOLTS on a third jersey again?

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 3:07 pm |

    [quote]I’m pretty sure Sammy Baugh did more in any one season for the Redskins than McNair did in any of his nine seasons with Tennessee.[/quote]

    oh yeah? did sammy baugh lead ’em to a super bowl?

    huh?

    i didn’t think so…

  • Jim | August 7, 2009 at 3:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”344510″][quote comment=”344411″]If the Titans had any guts at all they’d put the names of McNair’s wife and kids on the edge of that decal around the 9.[/quote]

    If the Titans had any brains they would get real stripes and change the Ku Klux Klanish logo on their helmets.

    Solution: Use the stripe pattern from their white pants and the secondary (sword) logo.[/quote]

    I live in Nashville. Been here longer than the Oilers/Titans. Not a fan of the team, though. I have heard a lot of criticism of the logo and unis over the years, some deserved, some not so much. I have talked to fans of the team who are black, white, young, old, men, women, rich, poor. But this is the first time I have ever heard their logo referred to as “Ku Klux Klanish.”

  • KT | August 7, 2009 at 3:07 pm |

    [quote comment=”344527″]
    I didn’t DECIDE anything about Titans’ plans, just gave my perception of it, my take on how it might be perceived, the message it sort of delivered.
    [/quote]

    Why do you care about how anyone else perceives what a third party does?

    What I mean is…if you’re concerned about how Joe Schmeaux in Louisiana perceives the Titans’ tribute…why? What’s it to you? Joe Schmeaux gets to decide how he perceives it, and deals with it in his own way.

  • anotherguy | August 7, 2009 at 3:07 pm |

    Ricko, I guess I’m on your side here.

    I can’t see that we have exactly the same tribute for McNair as we would have for Roberto Clemente, and that’s regardless of how many times Clemente may or may not have had a “wife in every port”. Somewhere along the line, you have to have a hierarchy. Maybe the memorial/casket viewing at the stadium was enough. Maybe a moment of silence before the first game would have been enough. And maybe whatever patch, etc. that they’re going to wear won’t be enough either.

    And with all that said, in the end (no pun intended) it’s all about selling tickets, isn’t it? If the Titans are over the line in their mourning, then the backlash should hit them.

  • KT | August 7, 2009 at 3:08 pm |

    Walter Payton. Wasn’t even in the NFL. But he did a lot, so that’s okay. Apparently now it’s based on how much you did that makes it okay.

  • KT | August 7, 2009 at 3:10 pm |

    And I want to thank you all for reminding me why I don’t come here much anymore. Adios.

  • Teebz | August 7, 2009 at 3:10 pm |

    [quote comment=”344528″][quote comment=”344526″]I’m pretty sure Sammy Baugh did more in any one season for the Redskins than McNair did in any of his nine seasons with Tennessee.[/quote]

    So now you’ve moved the goalposts.

    First it was he wasn’t in the NFL. Now it was that he didn’t do as much as Sammy Baugh did.

    Moving the goalposts is a sure sign that someone’s argument isn’t strong enough.

    Care to move them again? Or do you want to go round and round about BOLTS on a third jersey again?[/quote]

    Since you feel that I am moving goalposts, KT, he was honoured while being retired. What of the other umpteen hundred players who played, retired, and then died? Where are their decals?

    Why does McNair have to be special when his stats were nowhere near some of the greats who were never honoured with a season-long tribute? What did he do that made him better than the other several hundred players who played, retired, and died?

    And if you want to hear how stupid the “Bolts” jersey is, I’d gladly open that debate up again.

  • Teebz | August 7, 2009 at 3:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”344529″][quote]I’m pretty sure Sammy Baugh did more in any one season for the Redskins than McNair did in any of his nine seasons with Tennessee.[/quote]

    oh yeah? did sammy baugh lead ’em to a super bowl?

    huh?

    i didn’t think so…[/quote]

    1937 Washington Redskins won the NFL Championship game over the Chicago Bears by a 28-21 score. Baugh went 17 pf 33 for 335 yards, including second-half TD passes of 55, 78, and 33 yards to help Washington win. Oh, and did I mention he played DB and punted that game too?

    That game was played at Wrigley Field too… for all the Chicago faithful.

  • JTH | August 7, 2009 at 3:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”344534″]And I want to thank you all for reminding me why I don’t come here much anymore. Adios.[/quote]
    Why? Because you’re engaged in a debate? And from what I’m reading, it’s perfectly civil. (Well, maybe everything but that “Bolts” comment.)

    Auf wiedersehen.

  • JTH | August 7, 2009 at 3:16 pm |

    [quote comment=”344536″][quote comment=”344529″][quote]I’m pretty sure Sammy Baugh did more in any one season for the Redskins than McNair did in any of his nine seasons with Tennessee.[/quote]

    oh yeah? did sammy baugh lead ’em to a super bowl?

    huh?

    i didn’t think so…[/quote]

    1937 Washington Redskins won the NFL Championship game over the Chicago Bears by a 28-21 score. Baugh went 17 pf 33 for 335 yards, including second-half TD passes of 55, 78, and 33 yards to help Washington win. Oh, and did I mention he played DB and punted that game too?

    That game was played at Wrigley Field too… for all the Chicago faithful.[/quote]
    And which roman numeral was assigned to that Super Bowl?

  • Teebz | August 7, 2009 at 3:18 pm |

    [quote comment=”344538″][quote comment=”344536″][quote comment=”344529″][quote]I’m pretty sure Sammy Baugh did more in any one season for the Redskins than McNair did in any of his nine seasons with Tennessee.[/quote]

    oh yeah? did sammy baugh lead ’em to a super bowl?

    huh?

    i didn’t think so…[/quote]

    1937 Washington Redskins won the NFL Championship game over the Chicago Bears by a 28-21 score. Baugh went 17 pf 33 for 335 yards, including second-half TD passes of 55, 78, and 33 yards to help Washington win. Oh, and did I mention he played DB and punted that game too?

    That game was played at Wrigley Field too… for all the Chicago faithful.[/quote]
    And which roman numeral was assigned to that Super Bowl?[/quote]

    If you really want to split hairs, JTH, I’ll do you one better. Baugh set 13 NFL records while playing three different positions.

    Number of records set by McNair?

  • JTH | August 7, 2009 at 3:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”344539″][quote comment=”344538″][quote comment=”344536″][quote comment=”344529″][quote]I’m pretty sure Sammy Baugh did more in any one season for the Redskins than McNair did in any of his nine seasons with Tennessee.[/quote]

    oh yeah? did sammy baugh lead ’em to a super bowl?

    huh?

    i didn’t think so…[/quote]

    1937 Washington Redskins won the NFL Championship game over the Chicago Bears by a 28-21 score. Baugh went 17 pf 33 for 335 yards, including second-half TD passes of 55, 78, and 33 yards to help Washington win. Oh, and did I mention he played DB and punted that game too?

    That game was played at Wrigley Field too… for all the Chicago faithful.[/quote]
    And which roman numeral was assigned to that Super Bowl?[/quote]

    If you really want to split hairs, JTH, I’ll do you one better. Baugh set 13 NFL records while playing three different positions.

    Number of records set by McNair?[/quote]
    Titans’ all-time leading passer.

  • MPowers1634 | August 7, 2009 at 3:24 pm |

    McNair…I don’t care.

    Ya know why?

    Cuz none of you want to hang out with me in Ballmer.

    Check this mention that Paul got over on Straightcashhomey:

    http://straightcashh...

    And look whose picture is today’s lead:

    http://straightcashh...

    You can all go scratch.

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 3:25 pm |

    and teebz, i love ya buddy…

    but you would have been the FIRST ONE to bitch about tags not letting peyton wear black high tops to honor johnny u’s passing

    and he wasn’t an active player either

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 3:26 pm |

    Okay, one last time…

    I never said they shouldn’t do the sticker. Just suggested maybe they might not want to OVERDO it….considering what was learned about McNair through the circumstances in his death.

    And I DON’T care who gets a sticker. I said I hoped the Titans wouldn’t appear to discount less-than-admirable behavior by a former player under the rug because of his past performance for your franchise.

    I’ve been in journalism/PR/advertising for, um, 40 years now. I can’t help it, I think about what’s being communicated and about how the message might be received. It’s my instinct to be analytical about the process.

    But, again, I never said they shouldn’t do the sticker. Never. Not once.

    Or that McNair deserved what he got. To say I did is…nonsense.

    —Ricko

  • shadoquad | August 7, 2009 at 3:26 pm |

    Teebz,

    Are you denying that a player can have influence and impact that goes beyond statistics? Forget his last days for a minute and look at this…

    (1) Although his stats weren’t Manning-esque, he did quite a lot of winning in Tennessee, making him a local favorite, I’m sure.

    (2) He played hurt… often. He is famous as a guy who won with heart while his body fell apart.

    (3) He mentored younger QB’s, most notably Vince Young. A very charismatic player who gave his time to teammates, fans, and media.

    If the Titans want to remember him for what he did on the field and the positive effect he had while representing their franchise, I don’t have a problem with that. Is he HOF-worthy? Probably not, but not every local hero has to be in the HOF.

  • Hott Rodd | August 7, 2009 at 3:26 pm |

    Hey all, I was just watching NFLN and I was wondering if anyone knew what the green dot on the back of the QB’s helmet is for?

    thanks!

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 3:27 pm |

    [quote]none of you want to hang out with me in Ballmer.[/quote]

    maybe you shouldn’t have posted those fenway pics

  • shadoquad | August 7, 2009 at 3:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”344541″]McNair…I don’t care.

    Ya know why?

    Cuz none of you want to hang out with me in Ballmer.

    Check this mention that Paul got over on Straightcashhomey:

    http://straightcashh...

    And look whose picture is today’s lead:

    http://straightcashh...

    You can all go scratch.[/quote]

    I would hang with you, but I’m too busy to hang with anyone right now lol. Sorry, man. Maybe next time.

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 3:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”344545″]Hey all, I was just watching NFLN and I was wondering if anyone knew what the green dot on the back of the QB’s helmet is for?

    thanks![/quote]

    Also, did you know the Seahawks had no logo on their helmets their first season? Just plain silver. Really. I saw it on a football card.

    ;)

    —Ricko

  • Jamie | August 7, 2009 at 3:39 pm |

    This is my favorite post ever. I even like it more than the “In Which A New Champion Rises to Favour Our Cause” one. Classic.

  • Teebz | August 7, 2009 at 3:45 pm |

    [quote comment=”344542″]and teebz, i love ya buddy…

    but you would have been the FIRST ONE to bitch about tags not letting peyton wear black high tops to honor johnny u’s passing

    and he wasn’t an active player either[/quote]

    Manning’s tribute was a personal one. Had the entire Colts team said we’re doing this FOR ONE GAME, I’m sure the NFL may have looked the other way. And Manning is only honouring one of the all-time greatest players to ever step on the gridiron. You don’t see Manning sharpie-ing a McNair tribute on his helmet, do you?

    We’re talking about honouring a guy with a very visible decal for an entire season when he barely made a dent in Oilers/Titans history. Not a pair of shoes or shoelaces for one game.

    This would be akin to the Yankees honouring Pat Collins for an entire season to commemorate his contributions in the 1927 season. It would make no sense.

    Give McNair and his family (if they want to be there) one day – first home game, for example – where they honour his memory and his contributions to the team. He certainly deserves that, and I’m certainly in favour of that, especially if people can come and pay their respects to his family. But to extend it for an entire season is beating the drum far too long. Let the man rest in peace.

  • Berto | August 7, 2009 at 3:47 pm |

    [quote comment=”344547″][quote comment=”344541″]McNair…I don’t care.

    Ya know why?

    Cuz none of you want to hang out with me in Ballmer.

    Check this mention that Paul got over on Straightcashhomey:

    http://straightcashh...

    And look whose picture is today’s lead:

    http://straightcashh...

    You can all go scratch.[/quote]

    I would hang with you, but I’m too busy to hang with anyone right now lol. Sorry, man. Maybe next time.[/quote]

    If I still lived in DC I’d hang.

    Re McNair: I don’t remember all this love when the team locked him out of the facility and treated him like crap at the end of his tenure there. Or am I not remebering that correctly?

  • Berto | August 7, 2009 at 3:49 pm |

    BTW, the man who started it all in terms of having the A’s helmet decals changed just got released.

    I wish it had gone better for G’s return to Oakland.

  • shadoquad | August 7, 2009 at 3:53 pm |

    [quote comment=”344550″][quote comment=”344542″]and teebz, i love ya buddy…

    but you would have been the FIRST ONE to bitch about tags not letting peyton wear black high tops to honor johnny u’s passing

    and he wasn’t an active player either[/quote]

    Manning’s tribute was a personal one. Had the entire Colts team said we’re doing this FOR ONE GAME, I’m sure the NFL may have looked the other way. And Manning is only honouring one of the all-time greatest players to ever step on the gridiron. You don’t see Manning sharpie-ing a McNair tribute on his helmet, do you?

    We’re talking about honouring a guy with a very visible decal for an entire season when he barely made a dent in Oilers/Titans history. Not a pair of shoes or shoelaces for one game.

    This would be akin to the Yankees honouring Pat Collins for an entire season to commemorate his contributions in the 1927 season. It would make no sense.

    Give McNair and his family (if they want to be there) one day – first home game, for example – where they honour his memory and his contributions to the team. He certainly deserves that, and I’m certainly in favour of that, especially if people can come and pay their respects to his family. But to extend it for an entire season is beating the drum far too long. Let the man rest in peace.[/quote]

    I’m sorry, but you’re selling McNair short. I don’t disagree that the tribute could be shorter than an entire season, but he had more than one season of impact on that franchise, and while he’s not a huge star in the overall Oilers/Titans picture, he’s practically the face of the Titans’ franchise when you isolate it from all the years in Houston. Moon was a better QB, but McNair was the face of a franchise in a leadership position.

  • Berto | August 7, 2009 at 3:53 pm |

    And why all the Manning focus? Don’t overlook Chris Redmond who wore black high tops without asking. Yeah. Go get it Chris, we remember you.

  • Jim Bullard | August 7, 2009 at 3:54 pm |

    Not a single comment regarding the “I Love Jersey” rap video?

    That was genius!!

  • aflfan | August 7, 2009 at 3:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”344419″][quote comment=”344417″][quote comment=”344413″]The Seattle gladiator helmet issue is so stupid.

    I don’t see how it is any different than when the Red Sox relievers started banging spoons and forks (and the like) on the top of the bullpen in the playoffs last year. In fact, not only was that not banned but the FOX broadcast aimed a microphone out there and made us listen to that crap in the background of the broadcast.

    So basically:

    – mindless noise made by bored relievers = ok
    – symbolic gladiator helmets to unite team = bad[/quote]

    I agree. Professional sports is getting so nitpicky.[/quote]
    So with the banning of the helmets, I take it that teams will no longer allowed to make the rookie pitchers carry the sunflower seeds, gum, etc. out to the bullpen in a Dora or Strawberry Shortcake backpack?[/quote]

    No, I am sure that will be OK!

  • Berto | August 7, 2009 at 3:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”344555″]Not a single comment regarding the “I Love Jersey” rap video?

    That was genius!![/quote]

    Comment 89 brotha.

  • anotherguy | August 7, 2009 at 3:57 pm |

    [quote comment=”344543″]I’ve been in journalism/PR/advertising for, um, 40 years now. I can’t help it, I think about what’s being communicated and about how the message might be received. It’s my instinct to be analytical about the process.[/quote]
    And that’s about the message for me. If some group (“Wives against Cheating” or whoever) gets enough traction, then the backlash hits the Titans and their sponsors.

    (Unfortunately Ricko, it will be some PR flack up there answering questions and tapdancing if it does happen that way.)

  • rpm | August 7, 2009 at 3:57 pm |

    what a neat-o opening article. and finally in languagizing that i can comprestand without any roofus goofus. normally, i can’t wrap my brain~pan around you guys and that crazy wacky way of sprechen english you have, what a refreshing relief, today’s piece really spoke to me.

  • Teebz | August 7, 2009 at 3:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”344553″]
    I’m sorry, but you’re selling McNair short. I don’t disagree that the tribute could be shorter than an entire season, but he had more than one season of impact on that franchise, and while he’s not a huge star in the overall Oilers/Titans picture, he’s practically the face of the Titans’ franchise when you isolate it from all the years in Houston. Moon was a better QB, but McNair was the face of a franchise in a leadership position.[/quote]

    How hard do you think this has been on his family and kids? Why are the Titans the only ones who are grieving?

    Look, make it one game. Otherwise, that’s 18 games this season that the Titans have to keep bringing up Steve McNair’s death. I’m sure his family appreciates the reminder every Sunday.

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 4:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”344550″]This would be akin to the Yankees honouring Pat Collins for an entire season to commemorate his contributions in the 1927 season. It would make no sense.[/quote]

    or honoring cory lidle for an entire season with an ARMBAND (not unlike a sticker) for his 2 months with the yankees?

    granted, lidle was an active player, but im sure his contributions to the yankees weren’t as great as steve mcnair’s to the oilers/titans

  • Berto | August 7, 2009 at 4:01 pm |

    [quote comment=”344559″]what a neat-o opening article. and finally in languagizing that i can comprestand without any roofus goofus. normally, i can’t wrap my brain~pan around you guys and that crazy wacky way of sprechen english you have, what a refreshing relief, today’s piece really spoke to me.[/quote]

    “for wee must Consider that wee shall be as a Citty upon a Hill, the eies of all people are uppon us”

  • Teebz | August 7, 2009 at 4:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”344561″][quote comment=”344550″]This would be akin to the Yankees honouring Pat Collins for an entire season to commemorate his contributions in the 1927 season. It would make no sense.[/quote]

    or honoring cory lidle for an entire season with an ARMBAND (not unlike a sticker) for his 2 months with the yankees?

    granted, lidle was an active player, but im sure his contributions to the yankees weren’t as great as steve mcnair’s to the oilers/titans[/quote]

    That’s the key, though. He was an ACTIVE player. Part of the Yankee family.

    I’m sure that if he was pitching for any other team, the Yankees would not have honoured him.

  • shadoquad | August 7, 2009 at 4:03 pm |

    [quote comment=”344560″][quote comment=”344553″]
    I’m sorry, but you’re selling McNair short. I don’t disagree that the tribute could be shorter than an entire season, but he had more than one season of impact on that franchise, and while he’s not a huge star in the overall Oilers/Titans picture, he’s practically the face of the Titans’ franchise when you isolate it from all the years in Houston. Moon was a better QB, but McNair was the face of a franchise in a leadership position.[/quote]

    How hard do you think this has been on his family and kids? Why are the Titans the only ones who are grieving?

    Look, make it one game. Otherwise, that’s 18 games this season that the Titans have to keep bringing up Steve McNair’s death. I’m sure his family appreciates the reminder every Sunday.[/quote]

    I wouldn’t mind if it was only one game. I did not disagree with you about that. I just think you’re underestimating the impact he had as a player.

    As far as his family, I cannot begin to understand how difficult this is for them. However, maybe they want a full season’s show of support. Maybe not. I don’t know. I think the Titans should have addressed that with them, and if not, then that’s a shame.

    Also, to be clear and address the manner of death, I agree that his infidelity is hurtful and should not be even remotely condoned. But I think these memorials have more to do with what he did when he played there.

  • Teebz | August 7, 2009 at 4:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”344564″][quote comment=”344560″][quote comment=”344553″]
    I’m sorry, but you’re selling McNair short. I don’t disagree that the tribute could be shorter than an entire season, but he had more than one season of impact on that franchise, and while he’s not a huge star in the overall Oilers/Titans picture, he’s practically the face of the Titans’ franchise when you isolate it from all the years in Houston. Moon was a better QB, but McNair was the face of a franchise in a leadership position.[/quote]

    How hard do you think this has been on his family and kids? Why are the Titans the only ones who are grieving?

    Look, make it one game. Otherwise, that’s 18 games this season that the Titans have to keep bringing up Steve McNair’s death. I’m sure his family appreciates the reminder every Sunday.[/quote]

    I wouldn’t mind if it was only one game. I did not disagree with you about that. I just think you’re underestimating the impact he had as a player.

    As far as his family, I cannot begin to understand how difficult this is for them. However, maybe they want a full season’s show of support. Maybe not. I don’t know. I think the Titans should have addressed that with them, and if not, then that’s a shame.

    Also, to be clear and address the manner of death, I agree that his infidelity is hurtful and should not be even remotely condoned. But I think these memorials have more to do with what he did when he played there.[/quote]

    I’m not selling him short on his play on the field. This is why I am encouraging the one-day honouring of his accomplishments. I’m all for it.

    But to honour him for a season? C’mon. What about the Ravens? Can they have a decal too?

  • rpm | August 7, 2009 at 4:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”344562″][quote comment=”344559″]what a neat-o opening article. and finally in languagizing that i can comprestand without any roofus goofus. normally, i can’t wrap my brain~pan around you guys and that crazy wacky way of sprechen english you have, what a refreshing relief, today’s piece really spoke to me.[/quote]

    “for wee must Consider that wee shall be as a Citty upon a Hill, the eies of all people are uppon us”[/quote]

    and ye shall know your friend by the colour and strype of his stirrup.

  • Hibbsy | August 7, 2009 at 4:09 pm |

    On a lighter note, “Gunsmoke” has brought tears to my eyes two days in a row. Fucking “Gunsmoke”.

  • shadoquad | August 7, 2009 at 4:11 pm |

    [quote comment=”344565″][quote comment=”344564″][quote comment=”344560″][quote comment=”344553″]
    I’m sorry, but you’re selling McNair short. I don’t disagree that the tribute could be shorter than an entire season, but he had more than one season of impact on that franchise, and while he’s not a huge star in the overall Oilers/Titans picture, he’s practically the face of the Titans’ franchise when you isolate it from all the years in Houston. Moon was a better QB, but McNair was the face of a franchise in a leadership position.[/quote]

    How hard do you think this has been on his family and kids? Why are the Titans the only ones who are grieving?

    Look, make it one game. Otherwise, that’s 18 games this season that the Titans have to keep bringing up Steve McNair’s death. I’m sure his family appreciates the reminder every Sunday.[/quote]

    I wouldn’t mind if it was only one game. I did not disagree with you about that. I just think you’re underestimating the impact he had as a player.

    As far as his family, I cannot begin to understand how difficult this is for them. However, maybe they want a full season’s show of support. Maybe not. I don’t know. I think the Titans should have addressed that with them, and if not, then that’s a shame.

    Also, to be clear and address the manner of death, I agree that his infidelity is hurtful and should not be even remotely condoned. But I think these memorials have more to do with what he did when he played there.[/quote]

    I’m not selling him short on his play on the field. This is why I am encouraging the one-day honouring of his accomplishments. I’m all for it.

    But to honour him for a season? C’mon. What about the Ravens? Can they have a decal too?[/quote]

    I don’t think we’re actually disagreeing here, as I’ve stated in my last two posts that I don’t think the tribute needs to be season-long. And a Ravens tribute would be excessive, quite obviously.

  • Teebz | August 7, 2009 at 4:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”344568″]
    I don’t think we’re actually disagreeing here, as I’ve stated in my last two posts that I don’t think the tribute needs to be season-long. And a Ravens tribute would be excessive, quite obviously.[/quote]

    I agree. I just find it insane that after the Sean Taylor outrage on this board last season that McNair’s decal isn’t being questioned at all.

    Both were great players in their own rights, but season-long honourings are a little over the top in my view.

    Pat Tillman would be the only exception I could make for the season-long honouring as he was actually defending his beliefs, freedom, and democracy – things we’re all thankful for.

  • Sarran | August 7, 2009 at 4:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”344548″][quote comment=”344545″]Hey all, I was just watching NFLN and I was wondering if anyone knew what the green dot on the back of the QB’s helmet is for?

    thanks![/quote]

    Also, did you know the Seahawks had no logo on their helmets their first season? Just plain silver. Really. I saw it on a football card.

    ;)

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Me too what a coincedence!

  • rpm | August 7, 2009 at 4:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”344567″]On a lighter note, “Gunsmoke” has brought tears to my eyes two days in a row. Fucking “Gunsmoke”.[/quote]

    that’s because gunsmoke is all ironical and gunsmokes some poor innocent schlub at the end of every episode. i swear the writers for that show are sadists! i saw one last year wear some gun fighter, i think played by rip torn or some shit, over the course of the show turns his life around, falls in love, then some dude gunsmokes his girlfriend, and she falls out of a second story building to her death…roll credits. i was like, wHat aRE YOu kiDdiNG mE?!!!! i could tell gunsmoked ironicals all day, but don’t worry, i won’t

  • rpm | August 7, 2009 at 4:18 pm |

    i know…”where”…shut it, sometimes it is intentional, that one wasn’t.

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 4:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”344563″][quote comment=”344561″][quote comment=”344550″]This would be akin to the Yankees honouring Pat Collins for an entire season to commemorate his contributions in the 1927 season. It would make no sense.[/quote]

    or honoring cory lidle for an entire season with an ARMBAND (not unlike a sticker) for his 2 months with the yankees?

    granted, lidle was an active player, but im sure his contributions to the yankees weren’t as great as steve mcnair’s to the oilers/titans[/quote]

    That’s the key, though. He was an ACTIVE player. Part of the Yankee family.

    I’m sure that if he was pitching for any other team, the Yankees would not have honoured him.[/quote]

    ok…fair enough, can i ask what your standards are then, if any, for a team seeking a memorial? would you agree with the three below?

    1. doesn’t have to be active at time of death (for example, sammy baugh, mickey mantle)

    2. doesn’t have to be very good or have played very long (for example, cory lidle)

    3. doesn’t need to hold any team records (same example cory lidle, likely sean taylor)

    so, steve mcnair fits all three of those categories albeit not at the same time (and actually does have some team records), but he doesn’t deserve whatever tribute the titans feel justified in so giving, in your opinion

    do i have that pretty correct? i don’t want to put words in your mouth

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 4:24 pm |

    re: All the logos on TO’s helmet.

    Maybe they’re so he doesn’t forget where he’s playing this year? I mean, with the TV show and all it may slip his mind now and then.

    Although by about week six I’m pretty sure it will be getting pretty clear to him.

    Come mid-November he’ll know it for sure (that’s a weather reference, not a dump on the Bills).

    —Ricko

  • rpm | August 7, 2009 at 4:25 pm |

    okay, one more…
    so some cowboy played by the skipper from gilligan breaks his three boys out of jail, by the way they are innocent. anyway, they are on the run and the marshall catches up to them. they realize the jig is up, they are good kids railroaded, and not about to shoot the marshall, they stand up with their hands in the air, and they are innocent mind you, and the marshall has since figured it out, but what does he do?! he f**king gunsmokes them! roll credits. whAT?!?!?! aRE yOU kidDInG mE?!!!

    okay, seriously, that was the lst one. fucking gunsmoke.

  • aflfan | August 7, 2009 at 4:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”344463″]Couple of questions that have lingered and maybe you wonderful human beings can help me out…

    #1) – I realize that the NCAA requires that teams were gray (or GREY for you north of the border) gloves. I think it’s been 8-9 years since this took effect. Anyone know the reasoning? The “Why”?

    #2) – Why does MLB forbid catchers from personalizing their “hockey” style masks? I remember Yadier Molina used to have a Cardinal on a bat on each side of his mask as recently as 2006. The past 2-3 years? Gone. Replaced by….nothing, really. Anyone know WHY?

    Thanks people.[/quote]

    Zaun from the Orioles catchers helmet is painted with Orioles and lightning bolts.

  • Teebz | August 7, 2009 at 4:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”344573″]
    do i have that pretty correct? i don’t want to put words in your mouth[/quote]

    There is no reason at all for any season-long tributes outside of Tillman’s passing.

    Tillman was defending every American citizen’s rights when he died. Therefore, it affected every single person in the USA, specifically those players who play for millions of dollars and those owners who make billions of dollars off the game. Tillman’s memory deserves that honour because he put his life on the line for everyone without being asked.

    If a player dies mid-season while part of a team, I can see honouring his passing until the end of the season. That makes sense in that he was a part of that family aspect of the team.

    Other than that? One day/night only. There’s no need to keep reminding everyone that a player died. If you want to honour him with more, put his name on your Ring of Fame/Hall of Fame and endorse his accomplishments that way for eternity.

    And if he hasn’t passed on, it’s one day only WITH NO EXCEPTIONS. What he did was great, but the players on the field are trying to do better. It’s disrespectful to have them playing uder that shadow.

  • timmy b | August 7, 2009 at 4:30 pm |

    [quote comment=”344548″][quote comment=”344545″]Hey all, I was just watching NFLN and I was wondering if anyone knew what the green dot on the back of the QB’s helmet is for?

    thanks![/quote]

    Also, did you know the Seahawks had no logo on their helmets their first season? Just plain silver. Really. I saw it on a football card.

    ;)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Confirmed (insert dopey smiley here)

  • JTH | August 7, 2009 at 4:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”344572″]i know…”where”…shut it, sometimes it is intentional, that one wasn’t.[/quote]
    Didnt’ notice it. I was way too busy laughing at my mental picture of this guy playing a gunfighter because when I read your post, some of my cranial wiring musta gotten crossed and it caused my mind to settle on the wrong Rip T in the image files.

  • timmy b | August 7, 2009 at 4:31 pm |

    Gunsmoke is the greatest TV show EVER.

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 4:33 pm |

    [quote]if he hasn’t passed on, it’s one day only WITH NO EXCEPTIONS[/quote]

    well now you’re being ridiculous

    you want a one day sticker for someone who aint dead yet? ;)

  • Berto | August 7, 2009 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”344578″][quote comment=”344548″][quote comment=”344545″]Hey all, I was just watching NFLN and I was wondering if anyone knew what the green dot on the back of the QB’s helmet is for?

    thanks![/quote]

    Also, did you know the Seahawks had no logo on their helmets their first season? Just plain silver. Really. I saw it on a football card.

    ;)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Confirmed (insert dopey smiley here)[/quote]

    Maybe I’m missing something but did anyone actually answer this guy’s question?

    It’s to show that the helmet has a radio in it. There’s one guy on D who has it too often a MLB or SS/FS.

  • Teebz | August 7, 2009 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”344577″][quote comment=”344573″]
    do i have that pretty correct? i don’t want to put words in your mouth[/quote]

    There is no reason at all for any season-long tributes outside of Tillman’s passing.

    Tillman was defending every American citizen’s rights when he died. Therefore, it affected every single person in the USA, specifically those players who play for millions of dollars and those owners who make billions of dollars off the game. Tillman’s memory deserves that honour because he put his life on the line for everyone without being asked.

    If a player dies mid-season while part of a team, I can see honouring his passing until the end of the season. That makes sense in that he was a part of that family aspect of the team.

    Other than that? One day/night only. There’s no need to keep reminding everyone that a player died. If you want to honour him with more, put his name on your Ring of Fame/Hall of Fame and endorse his accomplishments that way for eternity.

    And if he hasn’t passed on, it’s one day only WITH NO EXCEPTIONS. What he did was great, but the players on the field are trying to do better. It’s disrespectful to have them playing uder that shadow.[/quote]

    You know what I just realized? I’m basically quoting the NHL’s policy on honouring players/executives.

  • rpm | August 7, 2009 at 4:38 pm |

    dang the cornmother to heck!
    arghhhh…marshal…just trying to type to fast, not thinking. sorry phil, gunsmoke me:)

  • MPowers1634 | August 7, 2009 at 4:39 pm |

    AFLFAN…The NCAA makes players wear Grey-base gloves because no team wears a greay based jersey.

    Holding will be much more visible this way.
    I believe the rule was enacted in 1999, the year after I stopped playing.

  • rpm | August 7, 2009 at 4:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”344580″]Gunsmoke is the greatest TV show EVER.[/quote]

    let’s not get carried away here. what about charles in charge?!

  • Hibbsy | August 7, 2009 at 4:42 pm |

    [quote comment=”344575″]okay, one more…
    so some cowboy played by the skipper from gilligan breaks his three boys out of jail, by the way they are innocent. anyway, they are on the run and the marshall catches up to them. they realize the jig is up, they are good kids railroaded, and not about to shoot the marshall, they stand up with their hands in the air, and they are innocent mind you, and the marshall has since figured it out, but what does he do?! he f**king gunsmokes them! roll credits. whAT?!?!?! aRE yOU kidDInG mE?!!!

    okay, seriously, that was the lst one. fucking gunsmoke.[/quote]

    I was just trying to lighten the mood. I’m afraid I’m going to get in trouble, but may I have one more?
    This kid wants to leave a bunch hide takers lead by Ned Beatty. Jasper, or Jarvis, I can’t think of the character’s name, takes him in. Ned Beatty and his crew get their due in the end, and the young man prospers.
    Today, a kid wants to read and learn, but his father (the Dean from Animal House) wants him on the farm. Big court case when pop assaults the teacher. In the end, Pa sends the lad to school.
    Both had very sweet endings.
    That was my last. I promise.

  • shadoquad | August 7, 2009 at 4:46 pm |

    [quote comment=”344576″][quote comment=”344463″]Couple of questions that have lingered and maybe you wonderful human beings can help me out…

    #1) – I realize that the NCAA requires that teams were gray (or GREY for you north of the border) gloves. I think it’s been 8-9 years since this took effect. Anyone know the reasoning? The “Why”?

    #2) – Why does MLB forbid catchers from personalizing their “hockey” style masks? I remember Yadier Molina used to have a Cardinal on a bat on each side of his mask as recently as 2006. The past 2-3 years? Gone. Replaced by….nothing, really. Anyone know WHY?

    Thanks people.[/quote]

    Zaun from the Orioles catchers helmet is painted with Orioles and lightning bolts.[/quote]

    You mean Zaun from the Rays?

    http://masnsports.co...

    I’ll miss Zauny (again).

  • timmy b | August 7, 2009 at 4:48 pm |

    LIPhil,

    Just heard from my source on the Tennessee Titans combo of columbia blue jersey/white pants and white jersey/white pants.

    Columbia blue/white: NEVER worn.

    White/white:
    2002: 9/8 home vs. Eagles
    2002: 9/22 home vs. Browns
    2006: 11/5 away at Jaguars

    Hope this helps and thanks loads, KT!

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 4:49 pm |

    (the Dean from Animal House)

    Also played the guy who pursued THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES, and then walked away.

    Name’s John Vernon, maybe?

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 4:51 pm |

    At this site, we’d be remiss if we didn’t mention the episodes of LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE where folks from Walnut Grove play football and baseball. Some seriously old-time unis in those.

    —Ricko

  • Hott Rodd | August 7, 2009 at 4:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”344582″][quote comment=”344578″][quote comment=”344548″][quote comment=”344545″]Hey all, I was just watching NFLN and I was wondering if anyone knew what the green dot on the back of the QB’s helmet is for?

    thanks![/quote]

    Also, did you know the Seahawks had no logo on their helmets their first season? Just plain silver. Really. I saw it on a football card.

    ;)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Confirmed (insert dopey smiley here)[/quote]

    Maybe I’m missing something but did anyone actually answer this guy’s question?

    It’s to show that the helmet has a radio in it. There’s one guy on D who has it too often a MLB or SS/FS.[/quote]

    Thanks berto.

    i’m actually a regular and that was my surreptitious way of trying to change the subject off of the tribute tirades..

  • Berto | August 7, 2009 at 4:57 pm |

    Ah, I don’t always look at the name of the poster.

    Good deal man.

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 5:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”344589″]LIPhil,

    Just heard from my source on the Tennessee Titans combo of columbia blue jersey/white pants and white jersey/white pants.

    Columbia blue/white: NEVER worn.

    White/white:
    2002: 9/8 home vs. Eagles
    2002: 9/22 home vs. Browns
    2006: 11/5 away at Jaguars

    Hope this helps and thanks loads, KT![/quote]

    thanks timmy

    man…now i’m gonna be thinkin’ of south park for the rest of the day and wantin’ a double-double

  • rpm | August 7, 2009 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”344587″][quote comment=”344575″]okay, one more…
    so some cowboy played by the skipper from gilligan breaks his three boys out of jail, by the way they are innocent. anyway, they are on the run and the marshall catches up to them. they realize the jig is up, they are good kids railroaded, and not about to shoot the marshall, they stand up with their hands in the air, and they are innocent mind you, and the marshall has since figured it out, but what does he do?! he f**king gunsmokes them! roll credits. whAT?!?!?! aRE yOU kidDInG mE?!!!

    okay, seriously, that was the lst one. fucking gunsmoke.[/quote]

    I was just trying to lighten the mood. I’m afraid I’m going to get in trouble, but may I have one more?
    This kid wants to leave a bunch hide takers lead by Ned Beatty. Jasper, or Jarvis, I can’t think of the character’s name, takes him in. Ned Beatty and his crew get their due in the end, and the young man prospers.
    Today, a kid wants to read and learn, but his father (the Dean from Animal House) wants him on the farm. Big court case when pop assaults the teacher. In the end, Pa sends the lad to school.
    Both had very sweet endings.
    That was my last. I promise.[/quote]

    okay, time to take the bucket off my head, i have some studio work to get done before i ump playoff games tonight. yes jth, i know it is raining here, but these are on turf, so unless there is lightning. but i leave you my good sirs with this…
    those episodes must have been colour episodes after they sacked the sadist. had those episodes happened in the black and white seasons…
    episode one…instead of prospers, the soil is poison, his baby is crushed by an anvil, then he starves, but not before his wife leaves him for snidely whiplash. roll credits
    episode two…paw burns the school with his own child still in it after he caddy bars the door. then finds a deed for a goldmine in his pocket. roll credits

  • Mike D | August 7, 2009 at 5:14 pm |

    Don’t know if this has already been mentioned, but yesterday during the Yankees vs Red Sox game, the Yankee announcers had a small chat about uniforms. They discussed NOB, and Ken Singleton mentioned that at one point owners were reluctant to put NOB of jerseys because of program sales. They figured more fans would buy programs to match the number on the back to the name in the program.

  • joe | August 7, 2009 at 5:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”344540″][quote comment=”344539″][quote comment=”344538″][quote comment=”344536″][quote comment=”344529″][quote]I’m pretty sure Sammy Baugh did more in any one season for the Redskins than McNair did in any of his nine seasons with Tennessee.[/quote]

    oh yeah? did sammy baugh lead ’em to a super bowl?

    huh?

    i didn’t think so…[/quote]

    1937 Washington Redskins won the NFL Championship game over the Chicago Bears by a 28-21 score. Baugh went 17 pf 33 for 335 yards, including second-half TD passes of 55, 78, and 33 yards to help Washington win. Oh, and did I mention he played DB and punted that game too?

    That game was played at Wrigley Field too… for all the Chicago faithful.[/quote]
    And which roman numeral was assigned to that Super Bowl?[/quote]

    If you really want to split hairs, JTH, I’ll do you one better. Baugh set 13 NFL records while playing three different positions.

    Number of records set by McNair?[/quote]
    Titans’ all-time leading passer.[/quote]

    which isn’t an NFL record.

  • JTH | August 7, 2009 at 5:17 pm |

    [quote comment=”344597″][quote comment=”344540″][quote comment=”344539″][quote comment=”344538″][quote comment=”344536″][quote comment=”344529″][quote]I’m pretty sure Sammy Baugh did more in any one season for the Redskins than McNair did in any of his nine seasons with Tennessee.[/quote]

    oh yeah? did sammy baugh lead ’em to a super bowl?

    huh?

    i didn’t think so…[/quote]

    1937 Washington Redskins won the NFL Championship game over the Chicago Bears by a 28-21 score. Baugh went 17 pf 33 for 335 yards, including second-half TD passes of 55, 78, and 33 yards to help Washington win. Oh, and did I mention he played DB and punted that game too?

    That game was played at Wrigley Field too… for all the Chicago faithful.[/quote]
    And which roman numeral was assigned to that Super Bowl?[/quote]

    If you really want to split hairs, JTH, I’ll do you one better. Baugh set 13 NFL records while playing three different positions.

    Number of records set by McNair?[/quote]
    Titans’ all-time leading passer.[/quote]

    which isn’t an NFL record.[/quote]
    I never said it was.

  • Hibbsy | August 7, 2009 at 5:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”344595″][quote comment=”344587″][quote comment=”344575″]okay, one more…
    so some cowboy played by the skipper from gilligan breaks his three boys out of jail, by the way they are innocent. anyway, they are on the run and the marshall catches up to them. they realize the jig is up, they are good kids railroaded, and not about to shoot the marshall, they stand up with their hands in the air, and they are innocent mind you, and the marshall has since figured it out, but what does he do?! he f**king gunsmokes them! roll credits. whAT?!?!?! aRE yOU kidDInG mE?!!!

    okay, seriously, that was the lst one. fucking gunsmoke.[/quote]

    I was just trying to lighten the mood. I’m afraid I’m going to get in trouble, but may I have one more?
    This kid wants to leave a bunch hide takers lead by Ned Beatty. Jasper, or Jarvis, I can’t think of the character’s name, takes him in. Ned Beatty and his crew get their due in the end, and the young man prospers.
    Today, a kid wants to read and learn, but his father (the Dean from Animal House) wants him on the farm. Big court case when pop assaults the teacher. In the end, Pa sends the lad to school.
    Both had very sweet endings.
    That was my last. I promise.[/quote]

    okay, time to take the bucket off my head, i have some studio work to get done before i ump playoff games tonight. yes jth, i know it is raining here, but these are on turf, so unless there is lightning. but i leave you my good sirs with this…
    those episodes must have been colour episodes after they sacked the sadist. had those episodes happened in the black and white seasons…
    episode one…instead of prospers, the soil is poison, his baby is crushed by an anvil, then he starves, but not before his wife leaves him for snidely whiplash. roll credits
    episode two…paw burns the school with his own child still in it after he caddy bars the door. then finds a deed for a goldmine in his pocket. roll credits[/quote]
    touche.
    they were in color.

  • aflfan | August 7, 2009 at 5:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”344499″]Ricko, your Twins got the latest ex-Indian, Carl Pavano http://sports.espn.g...

    Ricko,

    You are a Twins fan? Hope you won’t hate me when my Tigers sweep the Twins.

  • Ricko | August 7, 2009 at 5:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”344600″][quote comment=”344499″]Ricko, your Twins got the latest ex-Indian, Carl Pavano http://sports.espn.g...

    Ricko,

    You are a Twins fan? Hope you won’t hate me when my Tigers sweep the Twins.[/quote]

    I love baseball, and they play where I live. So it’s more fun around here when they’re winning, yes. But I wouldn’t say a “fan” in the true sense of the word. Spent too much time in pressboxes over the years. Proper detachment and all.

    They had trouble with the self-dismantling Indians, even took one of them along when they left town. So anything’s possible against the Tigers. :)

    —Ricko

  • JimV19 | August 7, 2009 at 5:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”344586″][quote comment=”344580″]Gunsmoke is the greatest TV show EVER.[/quote]

    let’s not get carried away here. what about charles in charge?![/quote]

    Wrong. And wrong. The original Battlestar Galactica was the best show ever. Better uniforms than in the current imposter of the same name, by far.

  • JimV19 | August 7, 2009 at 5:49 pm |

    [quote comment=”344602″][quote comment=”344586″][quote comment=”344580″]Gunsmoke is the greatest TV show EVER.[/quote]

    let’s not get carried away here. what about charles in charge?![/quote]

    Wrong. And wrong. The original Battlestar Galactica was the best show ever. Better uniforms than in the current imposter of the same name, by far.[/quote]

    I mean come on, this http://www.freewebs.... beats this http://hardlylastwor... anyday.

  • aflfan | August 7, 2009 at 5:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”344585″]AFLFAN…The NCAA makes players wear Grey-base gloves because no team wears a greay based jersey.

    Holding will be much more visible this way.
    I believe the rule was enacted in 1999, the year after I stopped playing.[/quote]

    I didn’t ask the question, I did answer to the catcher mask one.

  • aflfan | August 7, 2009 at 5:59 pm |

    [quote comment=”344601″][quote comment=”344600″][quote comment=”344499″]Ricko, your Twins got the latest ex-Indian, Carl Pavano http://sports.espn.g...

    Ricko,

    You are a Twins fan? Hope you won’t hate me when my Tigers sweep the Twins.[/quote]

    I love baseball, and they play where I live. So it’s more fun around here when they’re winning, yes. But I wouldn’t say a “fan” in the true sense of the word. Spent too much time in pressboxes over the years. Proper detachment and all.

    They had trouble with the self-dismantling Indians, even took one of them along when they left town. So anything’s possible against the Tigers. :)

    —Ricko[/quote]

    As a former SID, I understand the whole pressbox thing (which really doesn’t exist at the JC level). But I do cheer from my La-Z-Boy at home. Pavano, shut the Tigers down last weekend and he may do it tomorrow as well.

  • Kek | August 7, 2009 at 6:00 pm |

    [quote comment=”344534″]And I want to thank you all for reminding me why I don’t come here much anymore. Adios.[/quote]
    KT, don’t sweat it, I agree with you on this. I think everyone needs our upcoming vacation to sit back and relax.

    You made some excellent points, sometimes (and a lot of us are guilty on this one) some of us just insist on getting in the last word.

    Hope to see you back.

  • mtjaws | August 7, 2009 at 6:39 pm |

    [quote comment=”344603″][quote comment=”344602″][quote comment=”344586″][quote comment=”344580″]Gunsmoke is the greatest TV show EVER.[/quote]

    let’s not get carried away here. what about charles in charge?![/quote]

    Wrong. And wrong. The original Battlestar Galactica was the best show ever. Better uniforms than in the current imposter of the same name, by far.[/quote]

    I mean come on, this http://www.freewebs.... beats this http://hardlylastwor... anyday.[/quote]

    Did they just get purple chef jackets with a pocket and fancy them up? That’s what I see.

  • anotherguy | August 7, 2009 at 7:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”344590″]Also played the guy who pursued THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES, and then walked away.[/quote]
    “I think I’d just tell him that the war’s over.”

    FWLIW, he was a leader of the Quantrill’s Raiders band that Wales joined in with after his family was killed.

  • anotherguy | August 7, 2009 at 7:20 pm |

    [quote comment=”344579″]I was way too busy laughing at my mental picture of this guy playing a gunfighter…[/quote]
    He shoots someone and a bunch of confetti comes flying out of his gun…. :-)

  • anotherguy | August 7, 2009 at 7:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”344592″]i’m actually a regular and that was my surreptitious way of trying to change the subject off of the tribute tirades..[/quote]Same here on not checking the name: OTOH, when Ricko ignored the question I figured it was some sort of inside joke that I wasn’t getting. :-)

  • Chip | August 7, 2009 at 7:26 pm |

    It’s nice to see the Blue Jays wearing their 1992 uniforms tonight. There was a pre-game ceremony honoring the back-to-back world championship teams.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing those uniforms make a full-time comeback.

  • Taxman | August 7, 2009 at 7:27 pm |

    Blue Jays in sweet Friday Night throwbacks – all white – versus the Orioles. O’s mess it up with Friday night black jerseys.

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 7:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”344609″][quote comment=”344579″]I was way too busy laughing at my mental picture of this guy playing a gunfighter…[/quote]
    He shoots someone and a bunch of confetti comes flying out of his gun…. :-)[/quote]

    he played a mean pilgrim…a least i think that is what he was going for

    course…what the eff would a 1620’s dude be doing with electronics? perhaps he was just having fun back in wardrobe

    and what comes out of rip’s gun? it ain’t all confetti

  • anotherguy | August 7, 2009 at 7:36 pm |

    [quote comment=”344613″]and what comes out of rip’s gun? it ain’t all confetti[/quote]

    I think he wears a toupee. I may be wrong, but I think that might just be a rug. Hey, I know I’m going out on a limb here….

    BTW, your first link is busted.

  • LI Phil | August 7, 2009 at 7:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”344613″]
    he played a mean pilgrim[/quote]

    sonofabitch…you don’t wanna play ball? i’ll host it myself

  • Taxman | August 7, 2009 at 7:44 pm |

    [quote comment=”344547″][quote comment=”344541″]McNair…I don’t care.

    Ya know why?

    Cuz none of you want to hang out with me in Ballmer.

    Check this mention that Paul got over on Straightcashhomey:

    http://straightcashh...

    And look whose picture is today’s lead:

    http://straightcashh...

    You can all go scratch.[/quote]

    I would hang with you, but I’m too busy to hang with anyone right now lol. Sorry, man. Maybe next time.[/quote]
    What’s bringing you to Charm City, Sneaker Man?

  • Matt E | August 7, 2009 at 8:13 pm |

    Drop what you’re doing and watch the Blue Jays/Orioles game if you can, the Jays are wearing 92/93 throwbacks and they’ve got all the guys from those World Series teams back to celebrate, they’re wearing the all-whites instead of the powder blues and they’re absolutely beautiful, makes me wonder why they don’t wear these as their alts.

    That oldschool double-lined Jays font alone is just beautiful, plus they’re wearing retro World Series patches. Someone needs to get screencaps

  • Taxman | August 7, 2009 at 8:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”344612″]Blue Jays in sweet Friday Night throwbacks – all white – versus the Orioles. O’s mess it up with Friday night black jerseys.[/quote]
    Correcting myself – the Jays are commemorating 1992-1993, so this might be a one-time throwback, not Friday Night Specials.

  • Oakville Belgium Endive II | August 7, 2009 at 9:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”344611″]It’s nice to see the Blue Jays wearing their 1992 uniforms tonight. There was a pre-game ceremony honoring the back-to-back world championship teams.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing those uniforms make a full-time comeback.[/quote]

    I think it’s also an introduction of the new 2010 Toronto Blue Jays uniform – i.e. they’ll follow the path of the SF 49er’s NY Islanders , etc and adopt a look that harkens back to their glory years.

  • Matt E | August 7, 2009 at 9:17 pm |

    Yeah, this is a one-off for the Jays. A pretty secret one apparently, considering I didn’t even know they’d be wearing the all-white retro duds and I’m a Jays fan. Complete with matching helmets, even some high-sock action courtesy of Joe Inglett. They’ve got the entire ’92 and ’93 teams in the crowd, they’re doing interviews throughout the game and there’s a bunch of stuff lined up all weekend, the series itself has been promoted heavily around Toronto but these unis are an added bonus.

  • JimV19 | August 7, 2009 at 9:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”344541″]McNair…I don’t care.

    Ya know why?

    Cuz none of you want to hang out with me in Ballmer.quote]

    I’d go if I were closer. One of these days I need to go to Camden Yards. When I REALLY wanted to go you couldn’t get a ticket. Now that I’m one of those disgruntled with Peter Angelos the desire isn’t as strong. I’m not boycotting the team, just checking out other places first. Nationals Park is nice, by the way.

  • JimV19 | August 7, 2009 at 9:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”344619″][quote comment=”344611″]It’s nice to see the Blue Jays wearing their 1992 uniforms tonight. There was a pre-game ceremony honoring the back-to-back world championship teams.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing those uniforms make a full-time comeback.[/quote]

    I think it’s also an introduction of the new 2010 Toronto Blue Jays uniform – i.e. they’ll follow the path of the SF 49er’s NY Islanders , etc and adopt a look that harkens back to their glory years.[/quote]

    Trying not to get my hopes up too much, but dang that would be nice!

  • MPowers1634 | August 7, 2009 at 9:55 pm |

    [quote comment=”344616″][quote comment=”344547″][quote comment=”344541″]McNair…I don’t care.

    Ya know why?

    Cuz none of you want to hang out with me in Ballmer.

    Check this mention that Paul got over on Straightcashhomey:

    http://straightcashh...

    And look whose picture is today’s lead:

    http://straightcashh...

    You can all go scratch.[/quote]

    I would hang with you, but I’m too busy to hang with anyone right now lol. Sorry, man. Maybe next time.[/quote]
    What’s bringing you to Charm City, Sneaker Man?[/quote]

    I live in New York and want to take an easy day trip.

  • MPowers1634 | August 7, 2009 at 9:58 pm |

    [quote comment=”344615″][quote comment=”344613″]
    he played a mean pilgrim[/quote]

    sonofabitch…you don’t wanna play ball? i’ll host it myself[/quote]

    I always think of Charles Nelson Reilly when I see that guy…For you Spongebob fans, think of the Dirty Bubble.

  • Scott Little | August 7, 2009 at 10:23 pm |

    Those of you watching M’s vs. Rays:

    Does the DEZ on the back of Felix’s jersey look it’s spaced differently than the rest of his name?

  • JTH | August 7, 2009 at 10:27 pm |

    [quote comment=”344607″][quote comment=”344603″][quote comment=”344602″][quote comment=”344586″][quote comment=”344580″]Gunsmoke is the greatest TV show EVER.[/quote]

    let’s not get carried away here. what about charles in charge?![/quote]

    Wrong. And wrong. The original Battlestar Galactica was the best show ever. Better uniforms than in the current imposter of the same name, by far.[/quote]

    I mean come on, this http://www.freewebs.... beats this http://hardlylastwor... anyday.[/quote]

    Did they just get purple chef jackets with a pocket and fancy them up? That’s what I see.[/quote]
    First thing I thought was, “Damn, they look like a marching band, not military officers.” And it kinda ruined the miniseries for me. But I gave the series a chance anyway.

    And good God almighty am I glad I did.

  • JTH | August 7, 2009 at 10:31 pm |

    [quote comment=”344624″][quote comment=”344615″][quote comment=”344613″]
    he played a mean pilgrim[/quote]

    sonofabitch…you don’t wanna play ball? i’ll host it myself[/quote]

    I always think of Charles Nelson Reilly when I see that guy…For you Spongebob fans, think of the Dirty Bubble.[/quote]
    That’s not surprising. They both spent a lot of time on “Match Game“.

  • anotherguy | August 7, 2009 at 10:52 pm |

    [quote comment=”344626″]And good God almighty am I glad I did.[/quote]Almost a little bit of the Chicago group “Ides of March” there. :-)

  • LI Phil | August 8, 2009 at 12:11 am |

    [quote comment=”344627″][quote comment=”344624″][quote comment=”344615″][quote comment=”344613″]
    he played a mean pilgrim[/quote]

    sonofabitch…you don’t wanna play ball? i’ll host it myself[/quote]

    I always think of Charles Nelson Reilly when I see that guy…For you Spongebob fans, think of the Dirty Bubble.[/quote]
    That’s not surprising. They both spent a lot of time on “Match Game“.[/quote]

    holy shit, is that robin quivers?

  • mike 2 | August 8, 2009 at 1:16 am |

    [quote comment=”344620″]Yeah, this is a one-off for the Jays. A pretty secret one apparently, considering I didn’t even know they’d be wearing the all-white retro duds and I’m a Jays fan. Complete with matching helmets, even some high-sock action courtesy of Joe Inglett. They’ve got the entire ’92 and ’93 teams in the crowd, they’re doing interviews throughout the game and there’s a bunch of stuff lined up all weekend, the series itself has been promoted heavily around Toronto but these unis are an added bonus.[/quote]

    They’ve been promoting the celebration of the 1992-1993 team pretty heavily but haven’t mentioned the throwbacks at all.

    (I missed the entire thing sitting in airports and on airplanes, dammit!)

  • mike 2 | August 8, 2009 at 1:17 am |

    [quote comment=”344631″][quote comment=”344620″]Yeah, this is a one-off for the Jays. A pretty secret one apparently, considering I didn’t even know they’d be wearing the all-white retro duds and I’m a Jays fan. Complete with matching helmets, even some high-sock action courtesy of Joe Inglett. They’ve got the entire ’92 and ’93 teams in the crowd, they’re doing interviews throughout the game and there’s a bunch of stuff lined up all weekend, the series itself has been promoted heavily around Toronto but these unis are an added bonus.[/quote]

    They’ve been promoting the celebration of the 1992-1993 team pretty heavily but haven’t mentioned the throwbacks at all.

    (I missed the entire thing sitting in airports and on airplanes, dammit!)[/quote]

    And like others have said, I wouldn’t mind one bit if they brought that uniform back as-is. I don’t think it needs a single update or tweak.

  • Oprah Hate Me | August 8, 2009 at 1:31 am |

    Most of you guys need to get a real hobby.

  • Bill | August 8, 2009 at 1:42 am |

    [quote comment=”344590″](the Dean from Animal House)

    Also played the guy who pursued THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES, and then walked away.

    Name’s John Vernon, maybe?

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Ricko, you are absolutely right with the actor’s name.

  • rpm | August 8, 2009 at 2:01 am |

    [quote comment=”344633″]Most of you guys need to get a real hobby.[/quote]

    which explains why you have nothing better to do then come here and say that.

    for everyone else

  • Oprah Hate Me | August 8, 2009 at 2:05 am |

    Shall we stay ” on topic” please? Gunsmoke – Charles Nelson Reilly – I thought this was UW??

  • Hibbsy | August 8, 2009 at 2:10 am |

    [quote comment=”344633″]Most of you guys need to get a real hobby.[/quote]

    You!
    You need to watch a color era episode of Gunsmoke tomorrow.
    If you are still acting like a dick tomorrow, then I will know that you didn’t watch an episode of Gunsmoke on said day.
    You will be glad that you did.

  • Berto | August 8, 2009 at 10:24 am |

    I have real hobbies. This is what I do while I’m at work