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“What If …” City Flag Colors Edition, Senior Circuit

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By Phil Hecken

Last weekend, I treated you to you humored me with my attempt to bring you a look at how the American League teams would look if their uniforms used the colors (or at least the ‘major’ colors) from the flag of the City or State in which they play. In case you missed it, click here. Today, I’m back for more, with the same treatment of the teams in the National League. As with the junior circuit, there were some interesting looks. Some teams did indeed look better sporting different colors, while others were worse, much worse, or almost identical.

As with the American League, I have done my best to faithfully recreate the current uniforms using the new colors. In most cases, I have removed only the player NOB and occasionally the front numbers. In addition, since stirrups are necessary (there is no arguing or debating this point), I have included them as an essential uniform element. Sometimes I needed to remove a patch, but usually I kept them in (although in some cases I did not change the color scheme on the patch, either because it changed the nature of the patch too much or because it simply proved too difficult). With that, lets begin.

Arizona: We begin with a state flag, even though for all intents and purposes the Diamondbacks play in Phoenix. Yeah, you can see why I’m not going to show the D-Backs in that colorscheme. With the red, yellow and blue from the Arizona flag, the Snakes would sport a road uniform and a home uni that aren’t much different from their current get-up, but visually I think this one is also more appealing than the current duds. The use of the yellow as a highlighting element and on the socks really brings out the colors much better, in my humble opinion.

Atlanta: Next up, alphabetically, are the Braves, and while I’m not especially enamored of the flag itself, I LOVE the colors. The blue and yellow are really a striking combination and one which several major league teams have used in the past, only to go away from as they progressed into other uniform styles. But it’s a great one and I wish some teams would consider it or even adopt it (or return to it, as the case may be). That being said, here are the Braves in their home uniform and the road kit if they were to use those shades of blue and yellow. While some would argue the current Braves uniform is classic (and if you toss out the two disgusting alts, I’d tend to agree), I think they look even better this way.

Chicago: Like their neighbors to the South Side, the Cubs hail from the Windy City. But that’s where the similarities end — both in their uniform histories and every other way. So their uniforms may bear a slight resemblance (with the flag treatment) from a color standpoint, but that’s about all. I did several versions for the Cubs, because I really like the colors of that flag. Using the powder blue as the predominant color, here’s one version of the roadie. By using the red as the dominant color, we get this. Neither look is any where near better than their current style. The home is even worse, at least in this version. Maybe I should have used red more heavily than blue in that one. However, like I did with the White Sox, I created a powder blue version. Doesn’t work as well, as one of my (someday to be codified) “rules” is if you’re going to wear powder blue, your “base” color must also be blue.

Cincinnati: The Queen City has a rather nice flag, and I’m surprised (well, not really) that the Reds didn’t make greater use of the “block” C in the flag, opting instead for the wishbone. And while they have used a block C on their caps, they’ve used that wishbone as far back as 1905 (according to Okkonen) and probably before that in the 19th century. Anyway, the predominant colors of the flag are red (thankfully — they are called the “Reds”) and blue. So their “new” uniforms won’t be all that different from their current ones. For the home uniform it was basically a matter of slightly altering the current red, and replacing the black with the blue from the flag. For pants stripes, attempted to mimic the three “stripes” on the Cincy flag, and performed a similar treatment on the stirrups. For the road uniform, it was more of the same, although on that one I kept the pants stripes red. It’s funny, while I don’t especially mind the use of the drop shadow (because it’s black) on either current uniform, it really looks kinda awful when it’s depicted in dark blue on the “city flag” version.

Colorado: With the Rockies, pretty much all bets off are with the current colors. However, I have always liked the current font, and with new colors, we get a nice fresh look. And while red, yellow and blue are a common element in many cities’ flags, it’s an interesting twist when applied to the Rocks. For the road uniform, I think it’s a nice look. Nothing to write home about, but pretty nice. Of course, since pinstripes do not belong on a road uniform (another of my “rules”), I removed them. It renders the uniform much more plain, but that’s tough. Personally, I like the way the yellow interlocking “CR” looks an the cap. For the home uniform, I rather enjoy this look, using mostly blue for the lettering and numbers. Probably should have continued the all yellow lettering for the cap, but that could easily be corrected.

Florida: The Marlins, they of the teal and black, get a nice new treatment when we take the Florida flag colors. Mostly red and white, but with a seal of an almost ‘orange’ hue, it was my pleasure to undertake this transformation. I think the “orange” and red work well as complimentary colors, and here’s how this was conceived in the home uniform. I had to keep the teal coloration of the marlin, though, since I’ve never seen a red or orange one. Doesn’t look that bad. For some reason, for the away uni, I didn’t use any of the orange element (but adding a heavy dose of white, which is a very prominent color from the flag). The result is rather plain. This is one I’ll take another shot at someday, adding in some of that additional lighter coloration.

Houston: Take a look at that flag — now you understand why the Astros have that old school engine loaded with oranges out beyond the left field fence. Anyway, the flag is mostly aqua (I guess) and white, so the Astros’ uniforms will reflect that. Although the flag has a smidge of red in it, I elected to keep the away duds as well as the home set in just aqua and white. Not a good look. Not that their current uniforms are all that great, but the city flag treatment is decidedly not an improvement.

Los Angeles: It’s really hard to mess with an all-time classic uniform like the one sported by the Dodgers. But since my purpose was to see what all all teams would look like in city flag colors, the Dodgers must be included. Even without seeing what follows, you can probably guess it won’t be an improvement. You’d be right. First of all, for the home uniform, with red and green as two of the three colors (and I HAD to keep the front jersey number red, right?), it was hard to avoid it looking like a St. Patty’s Day fashion jersey or a Christmas special. Not that the stirrup coloring is a saving grace, but I think it’s OK. Well, not really. For the road uniform, took the opposite tack, using red as the primary color and sublimating the green as much as possible. Decidedly not good. You can’t mess with success any more than you can polish a turd (and please don’t post that “Mythbusters” episode where they prove you can, in fact, polish a turd).

Milwaukee: Kind of a busy flag, no? Another flag where I’d consider the main color to be kind of an aqua. And, of course, there’s the wheat stalk with the chaff (I’m not sure any of those are the correct terms, but work with me here), which will serve as the other color for this uniform redux. There’s also some kind of gear or ferris wheel, a boat, and some images in there. No offense to the good people of the Cream City, but you really need a new flag. OK, no editorializing here, just the unis. So, with that as our base colors, we get a home uniform that looks different than the current one. Different, not better. Not so sure using the color of the wheat helps there. So for the road uniform, I substituted the wheat (gold) color for the the red from the word “Milwaukee.” I think that’s a little better. I also removed the drop shadow to keep things somewhat more orderly. Seems like the Brewers could use both a uniform and a flag makeover. We may have some on the board who agree with that.

New York: As we saw in the American League city flag swap, the colors of the New York City flag are almost identical to those of the New York Mets (even though the accepted version is that the Mets took their royal from the Brooklyn Dodgers and their orange from the New York Giants). So, it shouldn’t be all that surprising when you see the NYC flag road uniform for the Mets. Added, obviously, orange to the bill and some sock stripes. Might be a tad busy, but it sure beats the hell out of the black they’ve added to the road uniform. Since the Mets play in the borough of Queens, I did mock ups for them with those colors as well. Despite using yellow, that road uniform and home uniform don’t look good at all. I realize that the pinstripes are their official uniform, but they haven’t worn it in a month, so I went with the “snow white” version. However, when we adopt that to the City of New York flag colors, it’s fairly similar to their current uniform. If I had more skill and time, I’d remove the black dropshadow from the home and away sets, but the intent was to keep the uniform as close to the current as possible. Meh.

Philadelphia: Hmmm. Didn’t some other Philadelphia team recently wear the City flag colors on their uniform? Not so sure how well that was received. But, in the spirit of this exercise, lets see how the baseball team from the City of Brotherly Love fares in city flag colors. Surprisingly, for the home uniform, not as bad as I had imagined. But what about the away kit? Actually, I like that one even better. I don’t think anyone will be clamoring for the Fightin’s to be changing their color scheme any time soon, but it’s not an altogether bad look. Again, although the blue is not quite as dark as I prefer, there is something about combining blue and yellow that just looks right.

Pittsburgh: OK. This one is too easy. The Pirates already proudly use their City’s colors as the basis for their uniform. Seems to be a common theme amongst the Steel City teams. I wonder if that’s deliberate? Anyway, you won’t be surprised to see the Pirates when they sport their road unis and home duds.

San Diego: Finally, a City whose flag has MUCH better colors than those being sported by the team which plays there. And since the Fathers have quite the myriad uni history, I’ll get a bit saucy here. Lets start with the homes. I made the red from the flag the dominant color, and I like it. I like red and yellow (or whatever actual shade you want to call those two colors). I think this is a definite improvement over their current colorscheme. For the roadies, and recognizing the crazy uni past the Pods have, I went with a yellow base with red wordmarks/numerals for the Friars. Yeah, it’s bright (unlike this post’s author) alright, but I also like this. Better than sand, that’s for sure. This is another team that is just begging for a uniform overhaul, and while perhaps taking the city flag colors isn’t the direction they should go, it’s better (IMHO) than what they’ve got now.

San Francisco: Another kind of plain flag, but definitely workable. One of the nicer things about the San Francisco home uniform is that it’s not pure white — tis cream. So if we keep the cream base, and take the brown and yellow (from the eagle and border) plus the blue, we get a very nice looking uniform. (The yellow crown on the cap is a shout out to Stuby). Now those may look too “Padre-ish,” but since the Pods don’t use those colors anymore (either in their current look or in my city flag look), that is what we get. For a slight twist on the cream home base, instead of straight gray, for the road uniform, I made the base a with a slight blue hue (from the “SAN FRANCISCO” on the flag). I think that one looks pretty damn sharp. However, since the current uniform is also a classic, I can’t argue the city flag colors look better, but they’re certainly pretty good.

St. Louis: For our penultimate uniform, we find another instance where a the colors of a city flag closely match that of the team (was this intentional? — hard to say, since the animal for which the team is named is a cardinal, and cardinal is indeed, red). Surely, it’s convenient, if coincidental. Even the yellow in the flag is replicated by the yellow in the bat. But as a result, the uniforms won’t differ much at all from those currently worn by the Redbirds. Other than changing the stirrup stripes, the home uniform is virtually identical to the current one. For the road uniform, I added red to the crown of the cap and played slightly with the stirrup stripes. But basically, city flag = team uni colors with the Cards.

Washington (DC): OK, if there was ever a city flag I would have expected to be red, white and blue, it would be Washington, D.C. Nope. Just red and white. So, making the Nationals uniforms, with their red, white, blue and gold only two colors will take a bit of chicanery. Lets start with the road uniform. I already like the red better than their current blue. Since the cap and “Washington” are in a nice, matching script, this looks fine. Those god-awful beveled numbers don’t look so hot (this part of the uniform is just CRYING for a reworking), and I removed that stupid beveled interlocking “DC” patch altogether. Fix the number font, and this is a winner. OK…on to the home uniform. Decency dictates that I remove the beveling from the wordmark, for unless you have two or three colors, it looks AWFUL. Well, it looks awful anyway (no offense, Todd Radom, I’m sure they told you they liked that design), but it looks better in one, solid color. Same problem with the beveled number on the back as on the roadie, but it’s better on the home, because at least the fonts work together. I did need to add a black border around the number font however, but at least that’s not BFBS, but black for necessity’s sake.

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Well, there you have it. The National League rendered in city flag colors. I don’t want to say this ‘project’ was a complete waste of time, because I think we did see a few uniforms that look better in different colors (or at least the colors of their flags). But since we won’t be seeing any of these teams move to these colors any time soon, the project was more fun, and more for my own edification, than as an appeal to teams to change up their uniforms (or at least the colors). Still, some of these do make you think that maybe, just maybe, what they’re wearing now needs a change. What do you think?

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scoreboardGuess The Game From The Scoreboard: This one is probably way too easy, but then again, maybe not. As always, the clues are right there for you on the scoreboard. Location, Date and Final Score, please. Ready? Guess The Game.

Once again, if anyone has any scoreboards they’d like to contribute, please shoot me a line.

When football season rolls around, are you guys interested in a “GTGFTS” edition? I’m not so sure how that would play out, but it may be worth a shot. Let me know if you’re interested in that.

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Alternate jerseys. No stirrups. T-Ball. Must be softball. Enjoy your Saturday Benchies.

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That’s all for today, folks. Couple announcements and a whole mess of different stuff coming tomorrow. Have a great Saturday.

 

81 comments to “What If …” City Flag Colors Edition, Senior Circuit

  • Scott | August 1, 2009 at 7:12 am |

    That Mets cap with the orange bill is so much better than the black/blue version…

  • Kevin G. | August 1, 2009 at 8:10 am |

    The scoreboard is from this year’s All-Star Game.

  • JTH | August 1, 2009 at 8:22 am |

    This is a train wreck of the highest order, but for some reason, I really like it. Lose the orange brim and I think it’s a winner.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    scoreboard answer.

    Nice job by the host team of finding a current headshot.

  • Hibbsy | August 1, 2009 at 8:51 am |

    Nothing fun is ever a waste of time.

    I loved looking at some of the hats in isolation. I could see many a local rapper repping them.

    I would also order a few pairs of those stirrups if they were available.

    Nice job, LI P.

  • Ricko | August 1, 2009 at 8:59 am |

    The Bold Face! It’s everywhere!
    Make it STOPPPPPP!!!

  • Ricko | August 1, 2009 at 9:02 am |

    [quote comment=”343367″]This is a train wreck of the highest order, but for some reason, I really like it. Lose the orange brim and I think it’s a winner.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    scoreboard answer.

    Nice job by the host team of finding a current headshot.[/quote]

    My first thought when I saw those flag-inspired Marlins unis: Do we now see where the Tampa Bay Bucs got their original color scheme?

    Actually very Florida. Not bad at all.

    —Ricko

  • JTH | August 1, 2009 at 9:09 am |

    [quote comment=”343370″]
    Actually very Florida. Not bad at all.
    [/quote]
    Exactly. And that’s one of the reasons I was a big fan of the Marlins’ original home unis.

  • Michael Lewis | August 1, 2009 at 9:09 am |

    Um… scoreboard thingy

    http://www.baseball-...

  • Ricko | August 1, 2009 at 9:09 am |

    Just out of curiosity, does anyone else remember that actually it was the Clemson baseball team that introduced the ankle length look?

    Yup, they wore the tri-color sansabelt style with a similar stripe style down the legs. One year they came out with pants all the way to their white cleats. Just eliminated stirrups altogether.

    At the time, was kinda cool cuz no one was doing it (other than a few MLBers such as Jose Lind and Jose Offerman). Certainly no one else did it as a team.

    Mid to late ’80s, maybe?

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | August 1, 2009 at 9:16 am |

    [quote comment=”343371″][quote comment=”343370″]
    Actually very Florida. Not bad at all.
    [/quote]
    Exactly. And that’s one of the reasons I was a big fan of the Marlins’ original home unis.[/quote]

    Me, too. In fact, I thought even the original Marlins used a bit too much black. The stirrups, for example, were black. Never understood why when the hats and sleeves were teal. Thought the stirrups should have been, too.

    Didn’t they originally wear teal pins?

    There was three-year span recently when I spent my winters in south Florida. Nobody except Scarface wannabes and fat women trying to look slim wear black. Not during the day, anyway.

    —Ricko

  • jeag | August 1, 2009 at 9:16 am |

    SF Giants blue and brown roads are the best of this series.

  • S. Bennett | August 1, 2009 at 9:23 am |

    Good effort Phil, but I think the Washington entry would look more like this:
    http://www.flickr.co...

    SB

  • Prexy Hater | August 1, 2009 at 9:26 am |

    Of course Dryington should have Red as its dominant color at home and on the road, and get rid of the secondary DC logo.

  • ren | August 1, 2009 at 10:30 am |

    scoreboard is too easy!

  • Jeff Scott | August 1, 2009 at 10:38 am |

    Just a clarification… the Cardinals were not named for the bird. In 1900, the team, which had been known as the Browns and then Perfectos, changed its primary team color from brown to red. A columnist (Willie McHale) overheard a female fan remark, “What a lovely shade of cardinal” upon seeing the new unis. McHale began using the moniker in his articles and others soon followed suit. The famous birds-on-bat logo didn’t debut until 1922. Why the switch from brown? Because the new owners wanted to erase the memories of the previous owner and his depressing, losing team. Why did the owners choose red trim and socks over other colors? Maybe the city flag had something to do with it. Not sure anyone knows for certain.

  • ATLShaun | August 1, 2009 at 10:46 am |
  • JimV19 | August 1, 2009 at 10:58 am |

    [quote comment=”343371″][quote comment=”343370″]
    Actually very Florida. Not bad at all.
    [/quote]
    Exactly. And that’s one of the reasons I was a big fan of the Marlins’ original home unis.[/quote]

    Ditto. Both Phil’s uni and the original wouldn’t work in the northeast or midwest, but they’re perfect for Florida. Great job.

    Got a family reunion today, so I’ll have to see the rest later. Looking forward to more cool designs.

  • flip | August 1, 2009 at 11:00 am |

    Another fun exercise that doubtlessly took an enormous amount of time.

    I’d agree with your assessment that adopting the city flag colors represents a mixed bag. Of the bunch, Florida http://farm3.static.... stands out as an improvement. Perhaps when the Marlins’ new stadium opens and the team is rechristened, they’ll take a cue and experiment with the Miami color scheme, though it will have a Hurricane feel. http://upload.wikime... http://farm3.static....

    If not, you’ve clearly demonstrated stripes on stirrups are outstanding. http://farm4.static....

  • JimV19 | August 1, 2009 at 11:09 am |

    I agree with flip – stripes on stirrups (and socks, for the guys who won’t wear stirrups) are outstanding.

    And now I’m running late because I couldn’t wait and had to skim through every team. Arizona, please change your unis to Phil’s design! Glad you went with the state flag.

    I like the sand (powder gold?) jerseys, but if the Padres went with your look I wouldn’t complain.

    I’ll comment on the others later.

  • Ricko | August 1, 2009 at 11:14 am |

    Mike Engle…

    Don’t have enough original compositions for a cd?
    Okay, write these (perfect for the vibraphone)…

    Montreal Is A Lady
    Anastasia
    (Once Upon A)Snow Globe
    Where Do We Go From Here?
    Measure The Moments

    (hey, sometimes it starts with a melody line, sometimes with a single lyric line, sometimes with a title)

    —Ricko

  • Giancarlo | August 1, 2009 at 11:33 am |

    If San Diego ever wore that away uni with the yellow base they would never live it down. That’s straight out of Ronald McDonald’s closet.

    The Houston one is interesting & possibly is an improvement. Sometimes one color is enough.

  • Erik | August 1, 2009 at 11:46 am |

    Does anyone with better graphics skills than me want to try an Expos uni with four fleur patches?

    Flag of Montreal

  • anotherguy | August 1, 2009 at 11:50 am |

    [quote comment=”343370″]
    My first thought when I saw those flag-inspired Marlins unis: Do we now see where the Tampa Bay Bucs got their original color scheme?

    Actually very Florida. Not bad at all.[/quote]
    Off today’s subject, but I think I’m the only person in the world who didn’t mind the so-called “creamsickle” look. Rather than pewter and all of the other improvements changes, I would have just reversed the Orange and Red placements on much of the uni: in other words, make the jersey predominantly red.

    I see the value of making the helmet white in Florida. (For that matter, I didn’t mind when the whole AFC East was white-helmeted.)

  • anotherguy | August 1, 2009 at 11:52 am |

    [quote comment=”343385″]…straight out of Ronald McDonald’s closet…[/quote]
    I believe that’s one of those “Rejected titles for Rap albums”.

  • anotherguy | August 1, 2009 at 11:53 am |

    [quote comment=”343367″]Nice job by the host team of finding a current headshot.[/quote]
    I thought of a question, but it would be against the rules. I’ll check back tomorrow.

  • Tim Stoops | August 1, 2009 at 11:55 am |

    [quote comment=”343385″]If San Diego ever wore that away uni with the yellow base they would never live it down. That’s straight out of Ronald McDonald’s closet.[/quote]
    The connection is all to easy, considering they were once owned by the McDonald’s owner Ray Kroc. I agree with you. That’s enough of a fast-food connection for one team. Go back to brown and yellow Padres. Please. The 1975 uniforms were the best.

  • leon | August 1, 2009 at 12:17 pm |

    want to try an Expos uni

    He already did an Expo’s Uni :)

    http://farm4.static....

  • Ricko | August 1, 2009 at 12:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”343385″]If San Diego ever wore that away uni with the yellow base they would never live it down. That’s straight out of Ronald McDonald’s closet.

    The Houston one is interesting & possibly is an improvement. Sometimes one color is enough.[/quote]

    El Paso Diablos gave it shot back in the ’80s…
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko

  • Ryan B | August 1, 2009 at 1:00 pm |

    The Atlanta one is the best of the bunch. And in case you forgot, they did wear that exact color scheme – as the Bees, in Boston, from 1936-38.

  • S. Bennett | August 1, 2009 at 1:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”343392″][quote comment=”343385″]If San Diego ever wore that away uni with the yellow base they would never live it down. That’s straight out of Ronald McDonald’s closet.

    The Houston one is interesting & possibly is an improvement. Sometimes one color is enough.[/quote]

    El Paso Diablos gave it shot back in the ’80s…
    http://farm3.static....

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Wow. If the minor leagues are all about challenging a player’s mental tools, that uniform is a call to arms.

    SB

  • Ricko | August 1, 2009 at 1:06 pm |

    [quote comment=”343387″][quote comment=”343370″]
    My first thought when I saw those flag-inspired Marlins unis: Do we now see where the Tampa Bay Bucs got their original color scheme?

    Actually very Florida. Not bad at all.[/quote]
    Off today’s subject, but I think I’m the only person in the world who didn’t mind the so-called “creamsickle” look. Rather than pewter and all of the other improvements changes, I would have just reversed the Orange and Red placements on much of the uni: in other words, make the jersey predominantly red.

    I see the value of making the helmet white in Florida. (For that matter, I didn’t mind when the whole AFC East was white-helmeted.)[/quote]

    I liked the original Bucs. Same color as Tennessee, so never understood all the hate. Besides, had they not screwed up and let Doug Williams get away, this might have been the uni of a team with a fair string of playoff appearances.
    http://assets.espn.g...

    —Ricko

  • mtjaws | August 1, 2009 at 1:22 pm |

    [quote comment=”343374″][quote comment=”343371″][quote comment=”343370″]
    Actually very Florida. Not bad at all.
    [/quote]
    Exactly. And that’s one of the reasons I was a big fan of the Marlins’ original home unis.[/quote]

    Me, too. In fact, I thought even the original Marlins used a bit too much black. The stirrups, for example, were black. Never understood why when the hats and sleeves were teal. Thought the stirrups should have been, too.

    Didn’t they originally wear teal pins?

    There was three-year span recently when I spent my winters in south Florida. Nobody except Scarface wannabes and fat women trying to look slim wear black. Not during the day, anyway.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I think the pinstripes were teal, but it’s hard to see.

    I think these red Marlins unis are terrible. I’m a fan of the black/silver, so don’t like this change at all. The teal was good, but I think the current ones are better. It just works for me, and I love all 3 current uniforms. Changing to red/orange (or anything else) would not be an improvement in any way.

    Of the NL mockups here, I actually like the Cincy ones. They’d work perfectly for any team not named the “Reds”. Any other team name, and it’s a good one.

    And by the way, the LA flag link is broken.

  • Ricko | August 1, 2009 at 2:04 pm |

    Yup, the original Marlins pins were teal…
    http://farm3.static....

    And, for the record (and because I found this photo in the same book as Santiago), this is about as low as George Hendrick ever wore his pants. It was pretty radical at the time, though, so he gets widely—and wrongly—credited with introducing the ankle-length-no-sock-showing-at-all look…
    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko

  • Bobby T | August 1, 2009 at 2:21 pm |

    Nice work, I’m a big fan of seeing other people’s ideas about what teams should look like. One opportunity was missed, though: The Colorado Rockies road socks, which compliment a nice uniform overall, could have the red C/yellow sun from the flag embroidered on the white stripe. That would be classy.

  • mako | August 1, 2009 at 2:24 pm |

    [quote comment=”343375″]SF Giants blue and brown roads are the best of this series.[/quote]

    But why are the numbers yellow outlined in brown when the lettering is brown outlined in yellow? And same with the stripes; the current Giants unis are consistently orange/black/orange – stripes, letters, numbers. Why change the pattern? Consistency, PLEASE!!!

    Geez, am I sounding a little anal or what? Apologies….

    Also, those Rockies unis definitely bring back memories of an earlier Rockies franchise: http://www.icejersey...

  • Ricko | August 1, 2009 at 2:24 pm |

    As far back as ’91 (a ’92 card), Jose Lind was almost there with the ankle length look.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Or even ’89? (a ’90 card)…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    I’m talking with lowcuts, btw.
    A number of players tucked pants into newly popular highcuts (Eric Davis, Barry Bonds…)
    Offerman was first I noticed who appeared to have added an elastic stirrup to the bottom of his pants (it was inside the shoes; could see something was holding the pants down inside his low Nikes). Believe it was while he was with the Dodgers. Haven’t found any photos yet.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | August 1, 2009 at 2:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”343399″][quote comment=”343375″]SF Giants blue and brown roads are the best of this series.[/quote]

    But why are the numbers yellow outlined in brown when the lettering is brown outlined in yellow? And same with the stripes; the current Giants unis are consistently orange/black/orange – stripes, letters, numbers. Why change the pattern? Consistency, PLEASE!!!

    Geez, am I sounding a little anal or what? Apologies….

    Also, those Rockies unis definitely bring back memories of an earlier Rockies franchise: http://www.icejersey...

    First year USFL Arizona Wranglers (before “merger” with Chicago Blitz) based unis on Arizona flag, too.
    http://www.sadera.co...

    —Ricko

  • mako | August 1, 2009 at 2:29 pm |

    [quote comment=”343400″]As far back as ’91 (a ’92 card), Jose Lind was almost there with the ankle length look.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    Or even ’89? (a ’90 card)…
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    I’m talking with lowcuts, btw.
    A number of players tucked pants into newly popular highcuts (Eric Davis, Barry Bonds…)
    Offerman was first I noticed who appeared to have added an elastic stirrup to the bottom of his pants (it was inside the shoes; could see something was holding the pants down inside his low Nikes). Believe it was while he was with the Dodgers. Haven’t found any photos yet.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Neither of those Jose Lind links is working for me….

  • Ricko | August 1, 2009 at 2:32 pm |

    Okay, let’s try those Jose Lind links again.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...
    and the 1990 card (showing ’89?)
    http://cgi.ebay.com/...

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | August 1, 2009 at 2:40 pm |

    [quote comment=”343379″]Just a clarification… the Cardinals were not named for the bird. In 1900, the team, which had been known as the Browns and then Perfectos, changed its primary team color from brown to red. A columnist (Willie McHale) overheard a female fan remark, “What a lovely shade of cardinal” upon seeing the new unis. McHale began using the moniker in his articles and others soon followed suit. The famous birds-on-bat logo didn’t debut until 1922. Why the switch from brown? Because the new owners wanted to erase the memories of the previous owner and his depressing, losing team. Why did the owners choose red trim and socks over other colors? Maybe the city flag had something to do with it. Not sure anyone knows for certain.[/quote]

    Glad someone mentioned that, because the color of bird is much more like the uni color called “scarlet” than the color called “cardinal”.

    Speaking of cardinals and such, have you seen this…(probably have, but still fun) ?
    http://lutheratthemo...

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | August 1, 2009 at 2:48 pm |

    …cuz this…
    http://upload.wikime...
    …ain’t the color St. Louis wears.

  • aflfan | August 1, 2009 at 3:16 pm |

    The Houston redo looks a lot like the uniforms Lansing Community College in Michigan wears.

    http://www.mccaa.org...

    Go down below the bracket to see the picture.

  • M.Princip | August 1, 2009 at 3:40 pm |

    I really wonder how those wavy lines would look replacing the horizontal stripes in the socks/stirrups? Wonder how that would be computed in the Mill pattern? Don’t remember if it was you Phil who did something with the wavvy lines in that Reds uni the other day? In my opinion it worked, also, I really think it could work in this Cardinals uniform. If not in the socks, definitely on the front of the jersey, maybe just across the left breast, stopping at the buttons, and the player’s number on the right front?

  • gusto | August 1, 2009 at 4:02 pm |

    [quote comment=”343395″][quote comment=”343387″][quote comment=”343370″]
    My first thought when I saw those flag-inspired Marlins unis: Do we now see where the Tampa Bay Bucs got their original color scheme?

    Actually very Florida. Not bad at all.[/quote]
    Off today’s subject, but I think I’m the only person in the world who didn’t mind the so-called “creamsickle” look. Rather than pewter and all of the other improvements changes, I would have just reversed the Orange and Red placements on much of the uni: in other words, make the jersey predominantly red.

    I see the value of making the helmet white in Florida. (For that matter, I didn’t mind when the whole AFC East was white-helmeted.)[/quote]

    I liked the original Bucs. Same color as Tennessee, so never understood all the hate. Besides, had they not screwed up and let Doug Williams get away, this might have been the uni of a team with a fair string of playoff appearances.
    http://assets.espn.g...

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Hey Ricko, you’re right, letting Doug Williams go to the USFL was a big mistake by the Bucs. I was living in the Tampa area at the time and remember it well. However, even with Williams, the Bucs were doomed. The 1983 Bucs finished 2-14, and returned to the basement of the NFL until Tony Dungy arrived. The Bucs had a short 1979-82 run of success, keyed mostly by their defense, but by 1983, the talent level on that team had dropped significantly. In fact, the great Lee Roy Selmon would be finished after 1984. Had Williams stayed, the Bucs would have won a few more games, but the playoffs would have been out of the question.

  • DerekR | August 1, 2009 at 4:09 pm |

    Don’t know if anyone pointed this out yet but looks like Tampa Bay is going back to Bucco Bruce for at least one game next season.

  • DerekR | August 1, 2009 at 4:11 pm |

    Here’s the link…

    http://www2.tbo.com/...

  • Mike Engle | August 1, 2009 at 4:26 pm |

    [quote comment=”343410″]Here’s the link…

    http://www2.tbo.com/...
    Fourth-to-last paragraph: apparently the orange tops were one-time wonders that inaugural season. Bad luck orange? No, everything was bad luck that year. The team apparently preferred to go against the grain and wear white at home, like the Cowboys. Learn something new every day.

  • JTH | August 1, 2009 at 4:37 pm |

    [quote comment=”343411″][quote comment=”343410″]Here’s the link…

    http://www2.tbo.com/...
    Fourth-to-last paragraph: apparently the orange tops were one-time wonders that inaugural season. Bad luck orange? No, everything was bad luck that year. The team apparently preferred to go against the grain and wear white at home, like the Cowboys. Learn something new every day.[/quote]
    Yikes. The “biker shorts” look is questionable at best on a receiver or a DB, but on a defensive end? Gaines Adams, please put on some real pants when you wear that uniform for real.

  • Jim Bullard | August 1, 2009 at 4:44 pm |

    The D-Backs redo was the best in my estimation.

    I would certainly never suggest the Dodgers change their uniforms, but I thought the red/yellow/green combo looked outstanding. I wish a team would adopt that color scheme, it would be totally original in professional sports.

  • Ricko | August 1, 2009 at 5:09 pm |

    [quote comment=”343411″][quote comment=”343410″]Here’s the link…

    http://www2.tbo.com/...
    Fourth-to-last paragraph: apparently the orange tops were one-time wonders that inaugural season. Bad luck orange? No, everything was bad luck that year. The team apparently preferred to go against the grain and wear white at home, like the Cowboys. Learn something new every day.[/quote]

    Bucs wore white at home (obviously) that first year, and they also played their home games on Saturday nights because a vote of fans preferred that to Sunday. Betcha that would never happen in today’s NFL.

    —Ricko

  • Ricko | August 1, 2009 at 5:43 pm |

    Perhaps this will help explain why the austere unis were so right for the Raiders. Back then, anyway.

    http://farm4.static....

    —Ricko

  • Hibbsy | August 1, 2009 at 6:01 pm |

    Every time I see those Bucs uniforms, I think about Dwayne from What’s Happening.
    I know it’s been discussed before, but that was a monumental piece of my history with uniforms.

  • California66er | August 1, 2009 at 6:31 pm |

    Interestingly, that Dodger uniform would probably sell like mad, since it so heavily uses the colors of the Mexican flag. The Dodgers have an exceptionally-heavy fanbase that would latch on to that.

  • aflfan | August 1, 2009 at 6:32 pm |

    Detroit and Cleveland are wearing Negro League throwbacks tonight. Try to find pictures

  • aflfan | August 1, 2009 at 6:40 pm |

    I don’t think I remember the Tigers wearing road Negro League jersey’s before. They are grey with red piping and Detroit with a star dotting the I in black script. Haven’t seen Cleveland’s yet, still the pregame.

  • Eddie | August 1, 2009 at 6:47 pm |

    Caught some of the Mets game on TV last night at the bar, and was amazed to see them wearing those beautiful blue pins and blue caps. I kept wondering why, and noticed it was “Los Mets” night.

  • JD | August 1, 2009 at 7:15 pm |

    Another home run Mr. Hecken!

  • timmy b | August 1, 2009 at 8:15 pm |

    [quote comment=”343414″][quote comment=”343411″][quote comment=”343410″]Here’s the link…

    http://www2.tbo.com/...
    Fourth-to-last paragraph: apparently the orange tops were one-time wonders that inaugural season. Bad luck orange? No, everything was bad luck that year. The team apparently preferred to go against the grain and wear white at home, like the Cowboys. Learn something new every day.[/quote]

    Bucs wore white at home (obviously) that first year, and they also played their home games on Saturday nights because a vote of fans preferred that to Sunday. Betcha that would never happen in today’s NFL.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    According to my records, the Bucs wore white for all 14 regular season games in 1976. If they wore orange, they must have worn it in the preseason.

    Or if they in fact did wear orange in the ’76 regular season, please let me know against who(m).

  • Brian | August 1, 2009 at 8:33 pm |

    [quote comment=”343423″][quote comment=”343414″][quote comment=”343411″][quote comment=”343410″]Here’s the link…

    http://www2.tbo.com/...
    Fourth-to-last paragraph: apparently the orange tops were one-time wonders that inaugural season. Bad luck orange? No, everything was bad luck that year. The team apparently preferred to go against the grain and wear white at home, like the Cowboys. Learn something new every day.[/quote]

    Bucs wore white at home (obviously) that first year, and they also played their home games on Saturday nights because a vote of fans preferred that to Sunday. Betcha that would never happen in today’s NFL.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    According to my records, the Bucs wore white for all 14 regular season games in 1976. If they wore orange, they must have worn it in the preseason.

    Or if they in fact did wear orange in the ’76 regular season, please let me know against who(m).[/quote]
    Everything I’ve ever heard says that they wore orange for the first home game, which was September 19th against San Diego, and every game the rest of the season was in the white, technically “away” jerseys.

  • aflfan | August 1, 2009 at 8:57 pm |

    It is also Victor Martinez Bobblehead night in Cleveland.

  • LI Phil | August 1, 2009 at 9:04 pm |

    [quote comment=”343421″]Another home run Mr. Hecken![/quote]

    thanks, and thanks to anyone who liked today’s offering

    sorry i wasn’t around much…spent a good portion of the day showing some of my work out in Guild Hall in the Hamptons…only sold one piece :( (out of 4)

    ah well

    i blame the economy

  • aflfan | August 1, 2009 at 9:27 pm |

    I was just cruising through the Dress to the nines databse when I ran across this from the 1928 Tigers.

    http://exhibits.base...

    Did any other team have thier logo on their back?

  • gusto | August 1, 2009 at 9:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”343424″][quote comment=”343423″][quote comment=”343414″][quote comment=”343411″][quote comment=”343410″]Here’s the link…

    http://www2.tbo.com/...
    Fourth-to-last paragraph: apparently the orange tops were one-time wonders that inaugural season. Bad luck orange? No, everything was bad luck that year. The team apparently preferred to go against the grain and wear white at home, like the Cowboys. Learn something new every day.[/quote]

    Bucs wore white at home (obviously) that first year, and they also played their home games on Saturday nights because a vote of fans preferred that to Sunday. Betcha that would never happen in today’s NFL.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    According to my records, the Bucs wore white for all 14 regular season games in 1976. If they wore orange, they must have worn it in the preseason.

    Or if they in fact did wear orange in the ’76 regular season, please let me know against who(m).[/quote]
    Everything I’ve ever heard says that they wore orange for the first home game, which was September 19th against San Diego, and every game the rest of the season was in the white, technically “away” jerseys.[/quote]

    As bad as the Detroit Lions played last season, the Tampa Bay Bucs should always hold the record for consecutive losses, 0-26, during the 1976-77 seasons. Strangely, the Bucs beat New Orleans and St. Louis to close out the ’77 season.
    It appears fitting the Bucs will be wearing their throwback uniforms this year, because the team is likely headed for a return to it’s losing tradition.

  • aflfan | August 1, 2009 at 9:34 pm |

    [quote comment=”343428″][quote comment=”343424″][quote comment=”343423″][quote comment=”343414″][quote comment=”343411″][quote comment=”343410″]Here’s the link…

    http://www2.tbo.com/...
    Fourth-to-last paragraph: apparently the orange tops were one-time wonders that inaugural season. Bad luck orange? No, everything was bad luck that year. The team apparently preferred to go against the grain and wear white at home, like the Cowboys. Learn something new every day.[/quote]

    Bucs wore white at home (obviously) that first year, and they also played their home games on Saturday nights because a vote of fans preferred that to Sunday. Betcha that would never happen in today’s NFL.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    According to my records, the Bucs wore white for all 14 regular season games in 1976. If they wore orange, they must have worn it in the preseason.

    Or if they in fact did wear orange in the ’76 regular season, please let me know against who(m).[/quote]
    Everything I’ve ever heard says that they wore orange for the first home game, which was September 19th against San Diego, and every game the rest of the season was in the white, technically “away” jerseys.[/quote]

    As bad as the Detroit Lions played last season, the Tampa Bay Bucs should always hold the record for consecutive losses, 0-26, during the 1976-77 seasons. Strangely, the Bucs beat New Orleans and St. Louis to close out the ’77 season.
    It appears fitting the Bucs will be wearing their throwback uniforms this year, because the team is likely headed for a return to it’s losing tradition.[/quote]

    Don’t count the Lions out yet. The could still string some losses to start the season.

  • dgm | August 1, 2009 at 9:36 pm |

    re: washington, d.c. flag – the reason there is no blue in it is because it is the washington family coat of arms… i don’t particularly like the city of dc, but i really like the historical significance of the city’s flag.

    http://en.wikipedia.....

  • aflfan | August 1, 2009 at 9:38 pm |

    [quote comment=”343427″]I was just cruising through the Dress to the nines databse when I ran across this from the 1928 Tigers.

    http://exhibits.base...

    Did any other team have thier logo on their back?[/quote]

    To answer my own question, YES!

    http://exhibits.base...

  • libertyernie | August 1, 2009 at 10:22 pm |

    The Brewers look pretty good in their navy alts. Milwaukee should just make their flag those colors.

  • Leaky | August 1, 2009 at 10:42 pm |

    None of the flag colored jerseys work. IMO. If you want to be indigenously correct, throw the flag on the dugout jackets and call it a day.

  • JimV19 | August 1, 2009 at 10:47 pm |

    Beg to differ with you on Milwaukee’s flag, Phil. I kinda like it. The Brewers’ unis might look better if they changed their goofy number font.

    Haven’t read the rest of the article or the comments, because I didn’t want to forget this idea (just for fun, btw). How about a wheat-colored uni? That got me thinking of a beer-colored uni (with white hats, of course, for a foamy head).

    Back to the rest of the teams…

  • JTH | August 1, 2009 at 11:14 pm |

    [quote comment=”343434″]Beg to differ with you on Milwaukee’s flag, Phil. I kinda like it. The Brewers’ unis might look better if they changed their goofy number font.

    Haven’t read the rest of the article or the comments, because I didn’t want to forget this idea (just for fun, btw). How about a wheat-colored uni? That got me thinking of a beer-colored uni (with white hats, of course, for a foamy head).

    Back to the rest of the teams…[/quote]
    You may have just made a case for a black alt. Check out this Guinness sweater I’ve got. My crap camera doesn’t do it justice, but you can see how the black of the shirt resembles the beer itself and the inside part poking through the v-neck kinda looks like the foam (too bad you can’t see that part when I’m wearing it).

    Of course, with the Brewers and Miller being inextricably linked, I suppose a beer-colored uni for them would have to bee piss yellow.

  • JimV19 | August 1, 2009 at 11:21 pm |

    [quote comment=”343404″][quote comment=”343379″]
    Speaking of cardinals and such, have you seen this…(probably have, but still fun) ?
    http://lutheratthemo...

    —Ricko[/quote]

    My man JP II swingin’ the stick! Thanks, Ricko, that was fun. How about an all-white Padres uni in honor of his holiness? You could throw in a little yellow from the Vatican flag.

    Saw him in ’02 when he came to Toronto. Me…and one million other people. I was so far away he looked like a dot, but it was still one of the top-five experiences of my life.

    He was a good athlete in his day – played goalie for soccer and he could ski quite well.

  • JTH | August 1, 2009 at 11:23 pm |

    [quote comment=”343435″]Of course, with the Brewers and Miller being inextricably linked, I suppose a beer-colored uni for them would have to bee piss yellow.[/quote]
    Uh, *be*.

  • JimV19 | August 1, 2009 at 11:32 pm |

    [quote comment=”343435″][quote comment=”343434″]How about a wheat-colored uni? That got me thinking of a beer-colored uni (with white hats, of course, for a foamy head).

    Back to the rest of the teams…[/quote]
    You may have just made a case for a black alt. Check out this Guinness sweater I’ve got. My crap camera doesn’t do it justice, but you can see how the black of the shirt resembles the beer itself and the inside part poking through the v-neck kinda looks like the foam (too bad you can’t see that part when I’m wearing it).

    Of course, with the Brewers and Miller being inextricably linked, I suppose a beer-colored uni for them would have to bee piss yellow.[/quote]

    You’re right, the Miller lineup doesn’t have much variety in color. The only thing resembling a Guinness (according to that Wiki guy) is:
    “Frederick Miller Classic Chocolate Lager—A beer for the holiday season…It is brewed with six different malts, including chocolate and dark chocolate malts.”

    I could go for one of those, or a Guinness, right now…

  • JimV19 | August 1, 2009 at 11:40 pm |

    Actually, Phil, I like your Astros unis. Kinda has that “Off we go into the wild blue yonder” look to it. Better than the blue and gold unis they had after they ditched the orange.

    Of course, my judgment could be clouded because my son played for an Astros team this year. They had to wear black jerseys with red numbers, and white pinstriped pants. I’d take your version any day.

    Last year, he played for a Dodgers team that wore red vests (don’t ask me, it’s some North Akron tradition for their Dodgers to be red). Needless to say we are accepting offers from other leagues next year after two seasons of uni madness…

  • Nicole | August 2, 2009 at 12:17 am |

    Just an FYI – the Milwaukee flag is a darker royal blue – no aqua, not dark enough to be navy.

  • timmy b | August 2, 2009 at 12:18 am |

    [quote comment=”343424″][quote comment=”343423″][quote comment=”343414″][quote comment=”343411″][quote comment=”343410″]Here’s the link…

    http://www2.tbo.com/...
    Fourth-to-last paragraph: apparently the orange tops were one-time wonders that inaugural season. Bad luck orange? No, everything was bad luck that year. The team apparently preferred to go against the grain and wear white at home, like the Cowboys. Learn something new every day.[/quote]

    Bucs wore white at home (obviously) that first year, and they also played their home games on Saturday nights because a vote of fans preferred that to Sunday. Betcha that would never happen in today’s NFL.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    According to my records, the Bucs wore white for all 14 regular season games in 1976. If they wore orange, they must have worn it in the preseason.

    Or if they in fact did wear orange in the ’76 regular season, please let me know against who(m).[/quote]
    Everything I’ve ever heard says that they wore orange for the first home game, which was September 19th against San Diego, and every game the rest of the season was in the white, technically “away” jerseys.[/quote]

    Not so.

    I have checked via newspaperarchive.com, on page B-1 of the 9/20/76 Naples (FL) Daily News and two game action photos definitely indicate that the Bucs indeed wore white and the Chargers were wearing blue.

    For good measure, another paper, the Fort Pierce (FL) News Tribune from the same day has a third photo from that game and the Bucs are wearing white.

    I’ll post this tommorow also.

  • Brian | August 2, 2009 at 12:35 am |

    [quote comment=”343441″][quote comment=”343424″][quote comment=”343423″][quote comment=”343414″][quote comment=”343411″][quote comment=”343410″]Here’s the link…

    http://www2.tbo.com/...
    Fourth-to-last paragraph: apparently the orange tops were one-time wonders that inaugural season. Bad luck orange? No, everything was bad luck that year. The team apparently preferred to go against the grain and wear white at home, like the Cowboys. Learn something new every day.[/quote]

    Bucs wore white at home (obviously) that first year, and they also played their home games on Saturday nights because a vote of fans preferred that to Sunday. Betcha that would never happen in today’s NFL.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    According to my records, the Bucs wore white for all 14 regular season games in 1976. If they wore orange, they must have worn it in the preseason.

    Or if they in fact did wear orange in the ’76 regular season, please let me know against who(m).[/quote]
    Everything I’ve ever heard says that they wore orange for the first home game, which was September 19th against San Diego, and every game the rest of the season was in the white, technically “away” jerseys.[/quote]

    Not so.

    I have checked via newspaperarchive.com, on page B-1 of the 9/20/76 Naples (FL) Daily News and two game action photos definitely indicate that the Bucs indeed wore white and the Chargers were wearing blue.

    For good measure, another paper, the Fort Pierce (FL) News Tribune from the same day has a third photo from that game and the Bucs are wearing white.

    I’ll post this tommorow also.[/quote]
    Well, I was wrong. But to be fair, it was a good 14 years before my time. Wow, that really shows my age…

  • Bernd | August 2, 2009 at 2:05 am |

    NFL Network is replaying the 2000 Miracle at the Meadowlands (the game where the Jets came back from behind to beat the Dolphins).

    Network Fail: At the end of the first half, Thurman Thomas was audible with both of the two most famous four-letter words, getting angry at the refs. NFL Network, in nine years in between, has failed to edit it out.

    “Uni” Moment: Dennis Miller’s shown in the booth wearing an SNL 25th anniversary sweatshirt on the ABC broadcast :D

    Celebrity cameo: The not-yet-Governor of California (though Dennis and Al did mock him a bit that he was about to be) coming in to plug some movie. He got all of three minutes in the booth.

    It’s amazing how DATED this looks already…Nike unis, no Reebok standardization, and only small, relatively unobtrusive network graphics on-screen during the game. I miss this.

  • Alex | August 2, 2009 at 5:06 am |

    The Marlins don’t use an initial if they have two players with the same last name. The Marlins have tow Johnson’s, Nick and Josh but they just say Johnson. Also, earlier this season they had two Gonzalez’s, Andy and Fredi (the manager) and their jerseys just said Gonzalez.

  • drewdez | August 2, 2009 at 11:43 am |

    scoreboard game: http://www.baseball-...

  • Chris | August 3, 2009 at 12:38 pm |

    Someone send that Arizona design to the Diamondbacks pronto. And the current uni designer needs to be reprimanded for not including the yellow in the first place. Sharp!